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So you don't have any better arguments then.I have better arguments, and I have better...hmm tools, and I Kiss good too.. :fluffle:

What i dont have for you is time...I dont have time for you sweety

If any girl turned up like that at my school ball, they would have probably been hassled hard for it.

Right. I did, again. Ex-Landia was talking about the dress being slutty, but that he would allow his daughter to wear it anyway. You then replied

How else am I supposed to read that? You're clearly using 'slut' in a derogatory fashion, and you're using it to describe someone wearing that dress.

You're also insulting the decision of anyone here who says they would allow their child to wear such a dress.

So you don't consider that my use of the term "slut" was in direct response to someone else bringing it up? We obviously do not read things the same way.

If any girl turned up like that at my school ball, they would have probably been hassled hard for it.

Yeah. I suspect that would be the case in NZ.

Shaed. If I offended you in any way, I humbly apologize. Such was most assuredly not my intent. Please forgive me.

'rumblemutter<insert-lack-of-sleep-and-school-starting-today>mumblerarg.*

Apology completely accepted. I also owe you one, I suspect. Going back and reading your posts, while ignoring everyone else's, you actually didn't come across nearly as badly and the first time I read through the thread. It's evidently more a problem of proximity - you stated you don't find the dress acceptable, and then other people came in and agreed while using words like 'slut' and 'whore'. You got tarred with the wrong brush, as it were.

So I apologise for being so over-emotional. Most of that should have been directed at others and not you >.<


*just to make it clear, this line is meant to imply that I'm grumpy and sleepy and not to be taken seriously if I act grumpy.

'rumblemutter<insert-lack-of-sleep-and-school-starting-today>mumblerarg.*

Apology completely accepted. I also owe you one, I suspect. Going back and reading your posts, while ignoring everyone else's, you actually didn't come across nearly as badly and the first time I read through the thread. It's evidently more a problem of proximity - you stated you don't find the dress acceptable, and then other people came in and agreed while using words like 'slut' and 'whore'. You got tarred with the wrong brush, as it were.

So I apologise for being so over-emotional. Most of that should have been directed at others and not you >.<


*just to make it clear, this line is meant to imply that I'm grumpy and sleepy and not to be taken seriously if I act grumpy.

:fluffle:

So you don't consider that my use of the term "slut" was in direct response to someone else bringing it up? We obviously do not read things the same way.

See, I think if you had have used "slut" (rather than just slut), that post would have been read entirely differently. You're intent was (as far as I can tell now) to use the original poster's own phrasing to make a point, whereas it came across like you were making the connection that 'slutty clothing -> slutty girl'.

I know I wouldn't have! And if their parents allowed one of my grand-daughters to wear one, I would threaten them with dire bodily harm!

God forbid that your adult offspring raise their kids in their way! Pull out the belt and chastise them, evil wrongdoers that they are. :rolleyes:

I would not pay my daughter a dress like that, because i find it inappropriate and way too expensive. But if she comes up with the money for it and absolutely wants to wear it, i am not going to impose my morals on her. After all, at the occassion that would be the equivalent to prom night, she will be an adult. Young and most likely foolish, but nonetheless, its her right to make mistakes and her own experiences and adhere to a code of conduct that is not mine, but one of her own and thus closer to the generation she lives in.

Quite a slutty and trashy looking dress. Looks like something a groupie would wear.

Since there are no actual "Proms" where I live, the point is moot.

However if my darling daughter went on a date in a dress like that, I would go have a heart-to-heart with the current boy-/girlfriend and explain in a reasonable voice that my daughter is not, as yet, totally interested in certain going-ons. I would then calmly explain that I do not own a shotgun, but that I am fully willing to acquire one eventually should the need arise.

Very true. And if you know anything about me at all, you'll know that when I am proven wrong I will not only correct myself, but will apologize for being incorrect, something I have done several times on this Forum as well as in real life.

I'm sorry I missed where you apologised for accusing me of being a 'cop out' and allowing someone else to set my standards, not to mention that 'is it clear' remark, which appears to imply that somehow I am stupid for not reading your mind, (and never mind that your difference of opinion was apparently based on a failure to read the words displayed on your own computer screen).

God forbid that your adult offspring raise their kids in their way! Pull out the belt and chastise them, evil wrongdoers that they are. :rolleyes:

I would not pay my daughter a dress like that, because i find it inappropriate and way too expensive. But if she comes up with the money for it and absolutely wants to wear it, i am not going to impose my morals on her. After all, at the occassion that would be the equivalent to prom night, she will be an adult. Young and most likely foolish, but nonetheless, its her right to make mistakes and her own experiences and adhere to a code of conduct that is not mine, but one of her own and thus closer to the generation she lives in.

Consider the term "hyperbole." It's a truly interesting term, and a very effective technique. Look it up. You might learn something. :D

I'm sorry I missed where you apologised for accusing me of being a 'cop out' and allowing someone else to set my standards, not to mention that the 'is it clear' remark, which appears to imply that somehow I am stupid for not reading your mind, and never mind that your difference of opinion was apparently based on a failure to read the words displayed on your own computer screen.

Want some free advice? Drop it. It's late, it's not worth the effort, and there's no way I owe you an apology.

if my darling daughter went on a date in a dress like that, I would go have a heart-to-heart with the current boy-/girlfriend and explain in a reasonable voice that my daughter is not, as yet, totally interested in certain going-ons. I would then calmly explain that I do not own a shotgun, but that I am fully willing to acquire one eventually should the need arise.Dont you think you rather need to have a heart-to-heart with your darling daugther?

BTW in real life, chances are....you will not get to meet with all her mates

Want some free advice? Drop it. It's late, it's not worth the effort, and there's no way I owe you an apology.
Hang on, you were the one who said that you apologise when you are proven wrong. You have been proven wrong. Want some free advice, if you dont want to look like a lier, dont get yourself proved wrong in a thread, state you always apologise when proved wrong, and then state that you owe no apology to someone who has proved you wrong, and who you have made false accusations against.

Frankly I see all these fine words, but if you say you apologise when you are proved wrong and dont, just what worth does your words have in practical application?

Dont you think you rather need to have a heart-to-heart with your darling daugther?

BTW in real life, chances are....you will not get to meet with all her mates
:D You think?
Well *my* daughter is going to tell me everything and ask for permition for everything she does. Uh-huh! :D

Hang on, you were the one who said that you apologise when you are proven wrong. You have been proven wrong. Want some free advice, if you dont want to look like a lier, dont get yourself proved wrong in a thread, state you always apologise when proved wrong, and then state that you owe no apology to someone who has proved you wrong, and who you have made false accusations against.

Frankly I see all these fine words, but if you say you apologise when you are proved wrong and dont, just what worth does your words have in practical application?

I haven't been proven wrong.

I've apologized to the only person who may have had cause to be insulted by something I said.

I don't owe anyone else on here an apology that I can think of.

Sorry you don't agree, but then, that's NS for ya. :)

:D You think?
Well *my* daughter is going to tell me everything and ask for permition for everything she does. Uh-huh! :D

Good luck. You'll need it! :)

Good luck. You'll need it! :)
Eh...by the time I'll have a daughter and she'll be old enough for prom...kids will have changed back to wearing 'reveal-nothing' clothes and wear medieval dresses to prom ;)

Eh...by the time I'll have a daughter and she'll be old enough for prom...kids will have changed back to wearing 'reveal-nothing' clothes and wear medieval dresses to prom ;)

LOL! :D

Eh...by the time I'll have a daughter and she'll be old enough for prom...kids will have changed back to wearing 'reveal-nothing' clothes and wear medieval dresses to prom ;)
Not while I'm around! :p

Ah.. makes me wish I had gone to high school... :p :p

Not while I'm around! :p
We're just gonna have to make sure another one of your nukes backfires ;)

Quite a slutty and trashy looking dress. Looks like something a groupie would wear.
So I take it you base your opinions on people by the clothes that they wear?


If my daughter wants to wear that, then who am I to stop her? All I can do is point things out to her. Her clothing does not make who she is...

BTW, no proms here so another moot point, but both my girls have been brought up to be individuals and express themselves however they wish.

We're just gonna have to make sure another one of your nukes backfires ;)
What nuke? :D
*Hides it behind his back*

Oh, yeah. Happy 1,000th post! :D

If my daughter wants to wear that, then who am I to stop her?

Um ... her father???

What nuke? :D
*Hides it behind his back*

Oh, yeah. Happy 1,000th post! :D
:D

Oh, 1000th post? yay! I'm a pimp now! ...wait...
...oh well. Can I now say I'm an expert on this prom-dress-issue? ;)

Eh...by the time I'll have a daughter and she'll be old enough for prom...kids will have changed back to wearing 'reveal-nothing' clothes and wear medieval dresses to prom ;)

Weren't medieval dresses the ones that prominently displayed breasts/cleavage by pushing the breasts up and together?

Or am I getting wildly confused again?

Because... currently your comment confuses me.

I haven't been proven wrong.
Yes you have.
I posted that I would not allow my daughter to wear the dress unless I knew that the school wouldnt allow it. You then stated an opinion which you claim was based on the premise that I would only allow my daughter to wear the dress if the school allowed it.

:D

Oh, 1000th post? yay! I'm a pimp now! ...wait...
...oh well. Can I now say I'm an expert on this prom-dress-issue? ;)
Probably.

To be honest, getting you to 1,000 was the reason I posted these.... ;)

:D

Oh, 1000th post? yay! I'm a pimp now! ...wait...
...oh well. Can I now say I'm an expert on this prom-dress-issue? ;)Pimps rule!!! :D :D ;) :D

Um ... her father???
My father would've told me what he thought of that dress but if I would've really wanted to wear it, he would have let me.
(hmm..now that I think of it...he moved out when I was 8...but since this is hypothetical anyways it doesn't matter. Besides, same thing goes for my mom...not the moving out part, I mean. This is getting confusing.)
What I meant to say is that (while I noticed that this isn't the case in some American families I got to know) over here fathers would indeed let their kids decide in most cases.

Weren't medieval dresses the ones that prominently displayed breasts/cleavage by pushing the breasts up and together?
I'm thinking it's a stereotypical thing. They probably didn't actually wear these in the RL mid-ages... I think...

Weren't medieval dresses the ones that prominently displayed breasts/cleavage by pushing the breasts up and together?

Or am I getting wildly confused again?

Because... currently your comment confuses me.
Uhm. oh. right.
I meant...kind of medieval dresses. Just without the breast-display. You know...fashion changes... :)

Probably.

To be honest, getting you to 1,000 was the reason I posted these.... ;)
ooh, a plot! and I had no clue... how very exciting! :D
Pimps rule!!! :D:D;):D
hehe, of course they do! ...

now we have to get TPE to post some more...he's still got a way to go...

Uhm. oh. right.
I meant...kind of medieval dresses. Just without the breast-display. You know...fashion changes... :)
Unfortunately for me, it may very well actually happen, but with heavier clothing, because I hear we could have a new Ice Age in 20 years.

EDIT: Wait a minute. I just said "ice age"? Whoohoo! :D *Parties*

Unfortunately for me, it may very well actually happen, but with heavier clothing, because I hear we could have a new Ice Age in 20 years.

EDIT: Wait a minute. I just said "ice age"? Whoohoo! :D *Parties, using nukes as fireworks*
My guess is that even in the future there will be places to have indoor-proms. Buy a heavy coat and you can wear whatever you want underneath.
...*tries to picture TPE in a breast-display medieval dress* :D

what about ice age? I'm confused.

My guess is that even in the future there will be places to have indoor-proms. Buy a heavy coat and you can wear whatever you want underneath.
...*tries to picture TPE in a breast-display medieval dress* :D

what about ice age? I'm confused.
1. I'm a man, not a girl. Nice try ;)
2. An Ice Age is when the entire world gets really cold, causing mile-thick sheets of ice to cover north america and siberia.

1. I'm a man, not a girl. Nice try ;)
2. An Ice Age is when the entire world gets really cold, causing mile-thick sheets of ice to cover north america and siberia.
1. I know that. That's why it seemed so funny. Still does. :D
2. I know that, too. Why would that cause you to party, though?

1. I know that. That's why it seemed so funny. Still does. :D
2. I know that, too. Why would that cause you to party, though?
Guess what planet my Empire's named after. Hint: It's very cold and very icy. :D

Plus, with an ice age... NO MORE BEES AND WASPS AND MOSQUITOES!!! Whoo-hoo! :D

I have read this entire thread and somewhere beyond the thread-jacking I saw that no one has elaborated on 'decency' or 'adulthood'.

On decency: why is the body being shunned? Why is it considered 'indecent' to wear a dress that shows skin or cleavage? A body is a body. Everyone has one. If a girl feels comfortable enough with herself to be able to wear a dress like that (either forwards or backwards) then I congratulate her bravery. She will hopefully be intelligent enough to understand that her outfit may not be approved of by others, and hopefully it won't kill the miraculous self-confidence she has built. Why is society sending mixed messages? We say 'love yourself for who you are, love your body for what it is' but at the same time 'cover up, don't show too much, just cause you love it doesn't mean everyone else does so do them a favor and don't let them see'. Me? I don't personally have the confidence in my body to wear that dress, so I wouldn't wear it. Would I object to close friends/relatives wearing it? Only if they were wearing it without having enough inner strength to fully understand the ramifications.

On adulthood: So, 18 is the magical number eh? So when your daughter's prom happens to fall a week before her 18th birthday, you'll say she's not old enough or mature enough to be called an adult... but it will all change a week later. I know people who are biologically older than 30 who cannot be considered adults. Why? Because they haven't developed their common sense and critical thinking skills. Generally, I feel these skills reach adequacy at about age 12. Of course, at such a young age, they wouldn't have the life experience to know what advanced emotions (i.e. grief from others about wearing this dress) feel like. However, they should be able to accept the opinions and suggestions of those who do have the life experience. If they choose to ignore those opinions/suggestions, they will learn, and who's to say they will have a bad experience?

About sex and sexuality: to sum up this argument, simply think of the stereotypical schoolgirl fantasy. Even the most prim and proper of girls have sex. Flip side: those who are most knowledgable and informed about sex (i.e. can talk the talk and walk the walk accurately) are able to use that information to decide whether or not they will have sex. Many decide not to or to perform safe/lesser variations because of this knowledge. Porn stars are tested for every STD on earth all the time because they know and understand the dangers. They make the informed decision to have sex anyway. Basically, the clothes, talk, and public actions do not necessarily have any relation to what goes on in one's bedroom.

About this dress: I happen to like the proper (forwards) version of it. It is flattering on certain bodies. If someone chose to wear it backwards as a statement or creative decision, I don't think it looks as nice (the lines are just odd) but that's their decision.

About me: So, what do you think of what I have said thus far? Many of you are parents, grandparents, etc. Do I sound like a parent or a child? An adult or crazy adolescent? I have given no indication of my status or age thus far so as not to give you a bias about my opinions. Please, form your opinions on my thoughts NOW. Then know, I am an eighteen year old female college student. I went to my prom, stayed over at my boyfriend's house (many many times actually), consider myself a very sexual being, and am a virgin. Not all of us have as poor judgment as you seem to think. We don't all NEED our parents to dictate every facet of our lives. The only way to raise your child is with love, communication, and good examples. Nitpicky rules about a particular item of clothing will only make you seem like a tyrant; let them 'fail' if they so choose.

EDIT TO ADD:
I just noticed that that article was from the NY Post. I'm from NYC. The Post is considered among the tabloids. Just thought it was worth mentioning.

Guess what planet my Empire's named after. Hint: It's very cold and very icy. :D

Plus, with an ice age... NO MORE BEES AND WASPS AND MOSQUITOES!!! Whoo-hoo! :D
*politely ignores P L and H and continues hijacking*
yay! no more mosquitoes! that's awesome!

*politely ignores P L and H and continues hijacking*
yay! no more mosquitoes! that's awesome!
:D

Consider the term "hyperbole." It's a truly interesting term, and a very effective technique. Look it up. You might learn something. :D
While we are breaking out the dictionaries, have a go at "sarcasm". While not greatly appreciated by a lot of people, it still counts as a form of humor.
I still stand by my words, adults should be allowed to make their own mistakes, even if they are of your blood.

Oh, Goddess above...
I saw this thread's title, but missed the final loop on the last "m", and read it as "Would you allow your teenage daughter to wear one of these in pron?"
I was going to say that "I wouldn't let my teenage daughter be in anything like that if I had one, you creep!"

That would have gone over very interestingly...

Ugly? Sure. Scrap the straps!

I have better arguments, and I have better...hmm tools, and I Kiss good too.. :fluffle:

What i dont have for you is time...I dont have time for you sweety

*Shrug* If you can't think of anything useful to back up your original inane comment, just don't bother.
:rolleyes:

Weren't medieval dresses the ones that prominently displayed breasts/cleavage by pushing the breasts up and together?

Yes and no. Hollywood generally displays those outfits without the underwear, which makes them rather less revealing. It's hard to generalise from several hundred years of fashion, but in Europe the dresses tended to be form-fitting (and in later years form-shaping) rather than actually revealing.

I have read this entire thread and somewhere beyond the thread-jacking I saw that no one has elaborated on 'decency' or 'adulthood'.

On decency: why is the body being shunned? Why is it considered 'indecent' to wear a dress that shows skin or cleavage? A body is a body. Everyone has one. If a girl feels comfortable enough with herself to be able to wear a dress like that (either forwards or backwards) then I congratulate her bravery. She will hopefully be intelligent enough to understand that her outfit may not be approved of by others, and hopefully it won't kill the miraculous self-confidence she has built. Why is society sending mixed messages? We say 'love yourself for who you are, love your body for what it is' but at the same time 'cover up, don't show too much, just cause you love it doesn't mean everyone else does so do them a favor and don't let them see'. Me? I don't personally have the confidence in my body to wear that dress, so I wouldn't wear it. Would I object to close friends/relatives wearing it? Only if they were wearing it without having enough inner strength to fully understand the ramifications.

On adulthood: So, 18 is the magical number eh? So when your daughter's prom happens to fall a week before her 18th birthday, you'll say she's not old enough or mature enough to be called an adult... but it will all change a week later. I know people who are biologically older than 30 who cannot be considered adults. Why? Because they haven't developed their common sense and critical thinking skills. Generally, I feel these skills reach adequacy at about age 12. Of course, at such a young age, they wouldn't have the life experience to know what advanced emotions (i.e. grief from others about wearing this dress) feel like. However, they should be able to accept the opinions and suggestions of those who do have the life experience. If they choose to ignore those opinions/suggestions, they will learn, and who's to say they will have a bad experience?

About sex and sexuality: to sum up this argument, simply think of the stereotypical schoolgirl fantasy. Even the most prim and proper of girls have sex. Flip side: those who are most knowledgable and informed about sex (i.e. can talk the talk and walk the walk accurately) are able to use that information to decide whether or not they will have sex. Many decide not to or to perform safe/lesser variations because of this knowledge. Porn stars are tested for every STD on earth all the time because they know and understand the dangers. They make the informed decision to have sex anyway. Basically, the clothes, talk, and public actions do not necessarily have any relation to what goes on in one's bedroom.

About this dress: I happen to like the proper (forwards) version of it. It is flattering on certain bodies. If someone chose to wear it backwards as a statement or creative decision, I don't think it looks as nice (the lines are just odd) but that's their decision.

About me: So, what do you think of what I have said thus far? Many of you are parents, grandparents, etc. Do I sound like a parent or a child? An adult or crazy adolescent? I have given no indication of my status or age thus far so as not to give you a bias about my opinions. Please, form your opinions on my thoughts NOW. Then know, I am an eighteen year old female college student. I went to my prom, stayed over at my boyfriend's house (many many times actually), consider myself a very sexual being, and am a virgin. Not all of us have as poor judgment as you seem to think. We don't all NEED our parents to dictate every facet of our lives. The only way to raise your child is with love, communication, and good examples. Nitpicky rules about a particular item of clothing will only make you seem like a tyrant; let them 'fail' if they so choose.

EDIT TO ADD:
I just noticed that that article was from the NY Post. I'm from NYC. The Post is considered among the tabloids. Just thought it was worth mentioning.

Nice post. Well thought-out. However, not everyone thinks the same way you do.

It's not a matter of being "ashamed" of one's body. It's a matter of age-appropriate modesty. Not everyone subscribes to the Hollyweird approach to "high fashion."

It's not a matter of "who's to say they will have a bad experience." As their parent, it's my responsbility to do my best to insure they don't have a "bad experience," or at least not one which jeapordizes their health, mental, emotional or physical.

I like the "proper" version of it as well. It's very elegant and seductive. Too seductive for a daughter of mine to wear before she's considered an adult. Call it a personal preference. :)

I like this: "The only way to raise your child is with love, communication, and good examples." However, I would add, "and by not abdicating your role as parent."

Now, as to sex: my children knew quite well that I did not approve of them having sex before they were mature enough to handle the responsibility. As a matter of fact, one of my daughters went so far as to ask me ( in a somewhat circumloqutious way ) whether I thought she was mature enough.

Sex is not "just sex." It's emotions too. The two are inextricably linked to the point where emotional maturity has to be a primary consideration.

I agree completely with your assertion that children don't need parents to dictate, or even know, every aspect of their lives. The key, if my experience is any indication, is to know your child well enough to know where they are in their march toward maturity and act accordingly.

I have read this entire thread and somewhere beyond the thread-jacking I saw that no one has elaborated on 'decency' or 'adulthood'.

On decency: why is the body being shunned? Why is it considered 'indecent' to wear a dress that shows skin or cleavage? A body is a body. Everyone has one. If a girl feels comfortable enough with herself to be able to wear a dress like that (either forwards or backwards) then I congratulate her bravery. She will hopefully be intelligent enough to understand that her outfit may not be approved of by others, and hopefully it won't kill the miraculous self-confidence she has built. Why is society sending mixed messages? We say 'love yourself for who you are, love your body for what it is' but at the same time 'cover up, don't show too much, just cause you love it doesn't mean everyone else does so do them a favor and don't let them see'. Me? I don't personally have the confidence in my body to wear that dress, so I wouldn't wear it. Would I object to close friends/relatives wearing it? Only if they were wearing it without having enough inner strength to fully understand the ramifications.

It's not necessarily about 'decency'. For right or wrong, clothes matter. They do make a difference. Dont believe me, try turning up to a job interview for a bank teller's job, dressed in a clown suite, bet you dont make the short list. The fact is dressing appropriately for an occassion comes under the heading 'social skills', and I would like to optomise my child/ren's social skills.

On adulthood: So, 18 is the magical number eh? So when your daughter's prom happens to fall a week before her 18th birthday, you'll say she's not old enough or mature enough to be called an adult... but it will all change a week later. I know people who are biologically older than 30 who cannot be considered adults. Why? Because they haven't developed their common sense and critical thinking skills. Generally, I feel these skills reach adequacy at about age 12. Of course, at such a young age, they wouldn't have the life experience to know what advanced emotions (i.e. grief from others about wearing this dress) feel like. However, they should be able to accept the opinions and suggestions of those who do have the life experience. If they choose to ignore those opinions/suggestions, they will learn, and who's to say they will have a bad experience?
It's more of a legal than a magic number. I cant even control where my off spring live once they are 18, aside from the same control every other member of society can exercise over them. If after 18 years my advice, and examples have not succeeded, there's not a lot I can do, except to continue to give advice and hope for the best, and if appropriate help to pick up the pieces when mistakes are made. If by 18 my daughter has failed to understand based on my teachings, why it's not in her best or even neutral to her interests (ie why it may be negative to her interests) to wear such a dress, to such an occassion, then I can only conclude that it's a lesson she will have to learn either from life, or not at all.

Originally Posted by P L and H
I have read this entire thread and somewhere beyond the thread-jacking I saw that no one has elaborated on 'decency' or 'adulthood'.

On decency: why is the body being shunned? Why is it considered 'indecent' to wear a dress that shows skin or cleavage? A body is a body. Everyone has one. If a girl feels comfortable enough with herself to be able to wear a dress like that (either forwards or backwards) then I congratulate her bravery. She will hopefully be intelligent enough to understand that her outfit may not be approved of by others, and hopefully it won't kill the miraculous self-confidence she has built. Why is society sending mixed messages? We say 'love yourself for who you are, love your body for what it is' but at the same time 'cover up, don't show too much, just cause you love it doesn't mean everyone else does so do them a favor and don't let them see'. Me? I don't personally have the confidence in my body to wear that dress, so I wouldn't wear it. Would I object to close friends/relatives wearing it? Only if they were wearing it without having enough inner strength to fully understand the ramifications.

Agreed.

On adulthood: So, 18 is the magical number eh? So when your daughter's prom happens to fall a week before her 18th birthday, you'll say she's not old enough or mature enough to be called an adult... but it will all change a week later. I know people who are biologically older than 30 who cannot be considered adults. Why? Because they haven't developed their common sense and critical thinking skills. Generally, I feel these skills reach adequacy at about age 12. Of course, at such a young age, they wouldn't have the life experience to know what advanced emotions (i.e. grief from others about wearing this dress) feel like. However, they should be able to accept the opinions and suggestions of those who do have the life experience. If they choose to ignore those opinions/suggestions, they will learn, and who's to say they will have a bad experience?

It does depend on individuals also. For example, a 12 year old might be more mature than a 17 year old.

I'm sure that someone said this, but if it had reached a point where it became a question of letting my (hypothetical) daughter wearing that or not several things have gone wrong way further down the line.

People can wear it, and I don't think it makes them a 'slut,' or anything else. But it is trying reallly hard to get my attention. And draw it. Specificly. Me. The long haired bearded dude in the hat on the bus. I'm going to look. It's going to happen. As long as you are aware of that (and no this does not extend past that) then whatever.

No.

I would allow YOUR teenage daughter to wear it to the prom though.

If you get what I mean :) Nudge Nudge, Wink Wink! Eh? Oooo yeah :fluffle:



Seriously though, I wouldn't let my girlfriend wear that out with me in public let alone my daughter to the prom. Hell, most hookers wouldn't wear that thing, it's just not practical. Who is gonna buy a ticket when a one inch slip to the left will get you the floor show for free?

JRV: It does depend on individuals also. For example, a 12 year old might be more mature than a 17 year old.

... hence the "generally" and "about" and all such approximate terms.

You'll all probably think I'm going too far with this, but I don't see anything wrong with a strap slipping. "Oh no! It's some skin and fat used to feed babies!" I'll just never understand why female breasts are considered hidables but men can go topless.... That's all more of a comment on society as a whole though, not teens at a prom...

Only if I wore a white suit and had a big pink car with leopard seats

... hence the "generally" and "about" and all such approximate terms.

Good, good. I was just putting some emphasis on that. I agree largely with what you had to say.

i hate all american culture

i hate all american cultureCongratulations?

i hate all american culture
Err, yeah, have fun with that...

i hate all american culture
:eek:

There is such a thing?

:eek:

There is such a thing?
Try to describe a lack of culture without mentioning america.

Try to describe a lack of culture without mentioning america.
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I know I wouldn't have! And if their parents allowed one of my grand-daughters to wear one, I would threaten them with dire bodily harm!

http://www.nypost.com/style/39213.htm

Why would any parent want to allow a teenage girl to wear something like this? Hell, not many actresses out in Hollyweird wear things like this! Mutter, grumble, murmur! :headbang:


Well, I don;t have kids.. I'm only 19.
But if I had a teenage daughter, and she wanted to wear that, I'd say no.
I'm not paying over $500 for that little ammount of fabric.. it's a rip-off.

I know I wouldn't have! And if their parents allowed one of my grand-daughters to wear one, I would threaten them with dire bodily harm!

http://www.nypost.com/style/39213.htm

Why would any parent want to allow a teenage girl to wear something like this? Hell, not many actresses out in Hollyweird wear things like this! Mutter, grumble, murmur! :headbang:
if i had a teenage daughter who WANTED to wear that to the prom then i would already have completely failed as a parent. i would let her wear it if she wanted, because (to me) if she was actually interested in wearing clothing like that then THAT is the problem, and whether or not other people see her actually doing it doesn't matter in the slightest to me.

of course, i wouldn't pay for a dress that ugly, and it's unlikely that any kid of mine would have $500 to kick around at that age.

I know I wouldn't have! And if their parents allowed one of my grand-daughters to wear one, I would threaten them with dire bodily harm!

http://www.nypost.com/style/39213.htm

Why would any parent want to allow a teenage girl to wear something like this? Hell, not many actresses out in Hollyweird wear things like this! Mutter, grumble, murmur! :headbang:


apart from the fact that its just about the most ugly dress i've seen...NO, hell NO!!
ick thats nasty

No, I wouldn't (hypothetical). I'd be very sad if any future daughter of mine had that little modesty and was that skanky.

I prefer the word "Skanky" :) Is it a NZ thing only?

Shaed, just because you have something doesn't mean it's a great thing to show off. If you are great in bed, should you go showing that off to as many people as possible? For me(<--Note), the body is something best shared/shown off with someone you are close to, not dressed with the aim of flaunting as much/many of your sexual parts as possible to every stranger you pass.

Personally, I find modesty far more attractive than showing as much skin as possible, and would completely hate it if my girlfriend or (hypothetical) sister, or anyone I was close to wore that.

Then again, if a stranger wanted to wear it, fine by me! I don't really care what a stranger does if it doesn't affect me (Not a big one for "Moral fabric of society" argument). But these are my views in answer to the original question.

I know I wouldn't have! And if their parents allowed one of my grand-daughters to wear one, I would threaten them with dire bodily harm!

http://www.nypost.com/style/39213.htm

Why would any parent want to allow a teenage girl to wear something like this? Hell, not many actresses out in Hollyweird wear things like this! Mutter, grumble, murmur! :headbang:

Forrest, remember that's New York. Not the real world. I don't think you'll see a dress like that in Dacula, Georgia or Atmore, Alabama any time soon. These are the places that matter, you know.

The day a teen relative of mine tries to leave the house in something like that is the day I make one snip of the scissors and render it unwearable.

No.
Flipping.
Way.

Point of information: I AM from New York city. NO WAY.

The day a teen relative of mine tries to leave the house in something like that is the day I make one snip of the scissors and render it unwearable.

No.
Flipping.
Way.Phew, I saw a mod post and thought someone had come to break up the fun.

Watch it with the scissors, they might just wear the dress strapless :D :p

I think anyone tries n wear somethin like THAT to the prom, gets given a potato sack, and most wear THAT the rest of the evening. ^_^

Ugly dress. I would walk out of the prom if my gf wore that.

I know I wouldn't have! And if their parents allowed one of my grand-daughters to wear one, I would threaten them with dire bodily harm!

http://www.nypost.com/style/39213.htm

Why would any parent want to allow a teenage girl to wear something like this? Hell, not many actresses out in Hollyweird wear things like this! Mutter, grumble, murmur! :headbang:


This dress reenforces how I will be a parent should I have a daughter. The moment she tried to leave the house I'd lock her up. And the boy who gave her the idea the dress was sexy. Heck if I have a son I wouldnt even allow him to date a girl who would wear such a dress.

Forrest, remember that's New York. Not the real world. I don't think you'll see a dress like that in Dacula, Georgia or Atmore, Alabama any time soon. These are the places that matter, you know.

Daisy Dukes..need I say more? You couldnt find shorts shorter than that..

If anything, girls who wish to wear those dresses want to be the biggest cock teasers or have sex. Proms are also known to be massive orgy fests anyway :P

I don't want kids but if i have some daughter who wore that, i would send her to live in some amish town for some time. :D

Phew, I saw a mod post and thought someone had come to break up the fun.

:D Mods can have fun too.... we're people after all!

Seriously, unless there is something inappropriate posted, why WOULD I break it up?

A Paris Hilton dress! :p

:D Mods can have fun too.... we're people after all!

Seriously, unless there is something inappropriate posted, why WOULD I break it up?Heh, just winding you up.:D

EDIT: Must go to bed... Must stop hitting 'Refresh'.... Must Oooh new post!

Fugly Dress anyway.. Looks like a girl who's seriously lacking in attention.

Daisy Dukes..need I say more? You couldnt find shorts shorter than that..
Unfortunately, just a figment of a TV producer's imagination. And maybe popular on college campuses.

I know I wouldn't have! And if their parents allowed one of my grand-daughters to wear one, I would threaten them with dire bodily harm!

http://www.nypost.com/style/39213.htm

Why would any parent want to allow a teenage girl to wear something like this? Hell, not many actresses out in Hollyweird wear things like this! Mutter, grumble, murmur! :headbang:


Hell no I wouldnt let her wear it. I wouldnt even wear that.

Unfortunately, just a figment of a TV producer's imagination. And maybe popular on college campuses.

Right...I've been to North Carolina plenty of times to know you're either full of it, or maybe you're not white trash. But they do exist, and they are worn down south. Maybe not in vast numbers..but hey..up here in the real world we could care less. Because its not like the south really matters anyway.

I don't have children, don't know if I ever will. The only thing I can say is, if there are any parents here who will buy this dress for their daughters, please send the date and place of the prom your daughter will be attending.

Thank you. :)

I know I wouldn't have! And if their parents allowed one of my grand-daughters to wear one, I would threaten them with dire bodily harm!

http://www.nypost.com/style/39213.htm

Why would any parent want to allow a teenage girl to wear something like this? Hell, not many actresses out in Hollyweird wear things like this! Mutter, grumble, murmur! :headbang:

I wouldn't let my teenage girl (if I had one, that is) wear it... if only because I'd be afraid she'd get caught by the fashion police.

That thing is hideous!!

Don't they know that skank is so last decade?

I wouldn't let my teenage girl (if I had one, that is) wear it... if only because I'd be afraid she'd get caught by the fashion police.

That thing is hideous!!

Don't they know that skank is so last decade?

Really? I thought skank was a timeless look. ;)

Really? I thought skank was a timeless look. ;)

For cheapside prostitutes?

Yes.

She'd be fully welcome to wear it, but I'd warn her should wouldn't be able to do anything in it, if she wants to keep her boobs covered. I'd also suggest she bring a shirt to wear, in case she wants to be more active then standing around watching people.

For cheapside prostitutes?

Yes.

Cheapside?

She'd be fully welcome to wear it, but I'd warn her should wouldn't be able to do anything in it, if she wants to keep her boobs covered. You call THAT covered?

Something, just something, makes me think the entire idea of that dress is quite the opposite of keeping the boobs covered.

HELL NO I WOULDN'T!!! I wouldn't even go with a girl to the prom if she wore that. TO the bedroom on the other hand ;)...

I definatley would be discouraging my daughter from wearing it, not only because it's ugly but because it looks cold! And dangerous. I suppose, though, if she insisted, and had the $500 to buy it herself, I'd just ensure she had a proper wrap and some good double-sided tape, as she'd be wearing it after I left anyway.

I definatley would be discouraging my daughter from wearing it, not only because it's ugly but because it looks cold! And dangerous. I suppose, though, if she insisted, and had the $500 to buy it herself, I'd just ensure she had a proper wrap and some good double-sided tape, as she'd be wearing it after I left anyway.

My strong discouragement would include the quote, "Over my dead body will you leave the house like that at age 17/18."

The backwards wearing? I cannot think of ANYONE I know who could successfully pull off wearing that. Mind you, I know some DAMN cute girls at my school, and I would be pretty disgusted if they wore it that way.

Forwards? I wouldn't stop my own daughter from wearing it to prom. Mind you, I'm not paying that much for a dress (but then again, I'm biased; I saw my sister's outfit to prom, and she looked amazing. Turns out she got the stuff from the Salvation Army for under $20, total.) And I know that there are some girls who would look good in that. Mind you, if my daughter looked like crap in that, I would tell her (in a more diplomatic tone).

i wouldnt let my daughter wear a $500 dress no matter what it looked like.

Etrusca, in the interests of fair debate and representation, you might want to edit your first post to include a picture of the dress worn right-way-front. I refer to the image (http://store1.yimg.com/I/modernbridalshop_1827_4953578) in Post #28 of this topic ny "Saetans Army".

Worn backwards, that dress looks just plain awful, and if I had a daughter, I'd forbid her to wear it like that merely for total lack of fashion sense.

When worn correctly, it's not so bad. However, that dress still doesn't look good given the posture of the model in that image (http://store1.yimg.com/I/modernbridalshop_1827_4953578). It looks like she's slouching backwards, or maybe slouching sideways.

--The Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."

Would you allow your teenage daughter to wear one of these to the prom?
Helllll No!

ah, the american puritanical spirit lives on. but we're getting better. another 100 years or so and the cultural revolution might finally cover the whole country.

At that age, they're mature enough that doing anything beyond strongly discouraging them is well outside of your rights. Sorry, but they're grown up. Get over it.

Etrusca, in the interests of fair debate and representation, you might want to edit your first post to include a picture of the dress worn right-way-front. I refer to the image (http://store1.yimg.com/I/modernbridalshop_1827_4953578) in Post #28 of this topic ny "Saetans Army".

Worn backwards, that dress looks just plain awful, and if I had a daughter, I'd forbid her to wear it like that merely for total lack of fashion sense.

When worn correctly, it's not so bad. However, that dress still doesn't look good given the posture of the model in that image (http://store1.yimg.com/I/modernbridalshop_1827_4953578). It looks like she's slouching backwards, or maybe slouching sideways.

--The Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."


LOl the dress in the article was wearing it backwards LOL nice

I know I wouldn't have! And if their parents allowed one of my grand-daughters to wear one, I would threaten them with dire bodily harm!

http://www.nypost.com/style/39213.htm

Why would any parent want to allow a teenage girl to wear something like this? Hell, not many actresses out in Hollyweird wear things like this! Mutter, grumble, murmur! :headbang:
It's butt-ugly, and unflattering. And I'd let her know.

Still, I'd let it be her choice.

It's butt-ugly, and unflattering. And I'd let her know.

Still, I'd let it be her choice.
Not to mention her not wearing it correctly (apparently)

ah, the american puritanical spirit lives on. but we're getting better. another 100 years or so and the cultural revolution might finally cover the whole country.So this kind of dress is "better" than being modest about your body and wearing clothes with taste, that actually leave something up to the imagination?

LOl the dress in the article was wearing it backwards LOL nice

well, it was the ny post. a supermarket tabloid with delusions of grandeur.

well, it was the ny post. a supermarket tabloid with delusions of grandeur.
I understand but still cant help but giggle

So this kind of dress is "better" than being modest about your body and wearing clothes with taste, that actually leave something up to the imagination?

no, not better. or worse. just different. your ranking of certain clothing styles as 'better' and 'worse' is just a silly cultural prejudice. bring on the penis gourds (http://www.travellingtoindonesia.com/irianjaya/images/dani.gif), i say.

I understand but still cant help but giggle

as well you should

no, not better. or worse. just different. your ranking of certain clothing styles as 'better' and 'worse' is just a silly cultural prejudice. ah, the american puritanical spirit lives on. but we're getting better....

...at breaking the hold of the old cultural prejudices and stupidities. its been a long road, but we've made great progress over the past 200+ years.

...
? amount of puritanical "ness" != judgement on quality of clothing

...at breaking the hold of the old cultural prejudices and stupidities. its been a long road, but we've made great progress over the past 200+ years.As judged by you...

Just because you like this kind of clothing doesn't make it a fantastic revolution. Someone else might think it a 'cultural stupidity' to abhor pedophilia.

? amount of puritanical "ness" != judgement on quality of clothingI may have got the wrong end of the stick, when I replied the post seemed to say the dress was good because it wasn't "puritanical"

I may have got the wrong end of the stick, when I replied the post seemed to say the dress was good because it wasn't "puritanical"
Thats ok meaning based on perception happens all the time

Dont want to count the number of times something ment something but when I saw it spelled out for me again somehow it was not the same as Ithought it was ... or imply what I personaly saw

As judged by you...

Just because you like this kind of clothing doesn't make it a fantastic revolution. Someone else might think it a 'cultural stupidity' to abhor pedophilia.

the percentage of skin covered has no bearing on having sex with children. or do you believe that the people of pretty much every indigenous culture south of canada were all a bunch of child molesters?

the percentage of skin covered has no bearing on having sex with children. or do you believe that the people of pretty much every indigenous culture south of canada were all a bunch of child molesters? Sorry, you missed my point. I wasn't trying to make a link between showing skin and pedophilia.

You seem to think that being "puritanical" is bad, and that it is good that people now feel like wearing things like the dress in question.

I'm simply saying that it's only your view. It's not nessacarily some fantastic cultural revolution. You just think it is because you support it.

A pedophile might think it's a "cultural stupidity" that they aren't allowed to have sexual relations with children. See?

I'm simply saying that it's only your view. It's not nessacarily some fantastic cultural revolution. You just think it is because you support it.

A pedophile might think it's a "cultural stupidity" that they aren't allowed to have sexual relations with children. See?

ah, i see. but then again, we don't disallow pedophilia just because we don't like it. we disallow it because pedophilia involves sex with people that are incapable of giving consent.

Shaed, just because you have something doesn't mean it's a great thing to show off. If you are great in bed, should you go showing that off to as many people as possible? For me(<--Note), the body is something best shared/shown off with someone you are close to, not dressed with the aim of flaunting as much/many of your sexual parts as possible to every stranger you pass.

Personally, I find modesty far more attractive than showing as much skin as possible, and would completely hate it if my girlfriend or (hypothetical) sister, or anyone I was close to wore that.

Then again, if a stranger wanted to wear it, fine by me! I don't really care what a stranger does if it doesn't affect me (Not a big one for "Moral fabric of society" argument). But these are my views in answer to the original question.

Uhh... guesss what? I'm not wearing what I wear to impress you. I don't give a toss if you, or anyone else, prefers modesty. I don't give a toss if anyone sees my body - I'm not wearing clothing to SHOW OFF my body. Frankly, I'd prefer some ideal balance where I could wear clothing I like without anyone noticing it as out of the ordinary. I'm of the 'ehhh, it's skin. What the fuck ever, get over it' train of thought. Unless they're below the age where they're legally able to have sex with an adult (18, 17 or 16 usually), girls should be able to wear whatever the hell the want without people getting all flustered over 'OMG SKIN'!

That you are assuming that I wear what I wear to appeal to the interests of others is insulting. I've already stated that I wear what I want BECAUSE I LIKE IT. I also stated, if you'd bothered to read my post instead of, apparently, skimming it, that I prefer skimpy clothing because I overheat extremely easily (especially in summer), and I also have a phobia about wearing heavy clothing. So you can get down off you high horse now, I think.

And if you assumed your girlfriend/sister was 'showing off her body to strangers' just because she happened to like halterneck tops or shortshorts, I'd hope they'd tell you to go straight to hell. Making assumptions about why people do things is insulting and arrogant.

ah, i see. but then again, we don't disallow pedophilia just becausewe don't like it. we disallow it because pedophilia involves sex with people that are incapable of giving consent.

"no harm, no foul" and all that.Come on, do you really not understand what I am trying to say? Or are you trying to be difficult?

Simply, everyone has different views on what they think is socially/culturally preferable. Your view is not more moral than anyone elses, it's not some moral high ground.

NO WAY IN HELL! I've seen whores who showed better taste and more modesty! jooooooooooooooj!

If one is going to be immodest, I insist on showing some artistry about it, it's on top of being immodst really UGLY!!!!!

$493 you say, I am sooo shooting that designer!!!!

What are all of these insecurities I am hearing? Nudity should not equate into sex. Th eonly reason we relate them as such is because we have been taught to do so. Let them all go naked if they please ... if only they had always been naked it woudl not change a thing. Since we ahve taught them to be ashamed of or too use their bodies then what do you exepct them to do? What they were taught of course!!!!

Uhh... guesss what? I'm not wearing what I wear to impress you. I don't give a toss if you, or anyone else, prefers modesty. I don't give a toss if anyone sees my body - I'm not wearing clothing to SHOW OFF my body. Frankly, I'd prefer some ideal balance where I could wear clothing I like without anyone noticing it as out of the ordinary. I'm of the 'ehhh, it's skin. What the fuck ever, get over it' train of thought.
Eh? The skin covers the body, and whether you like it or not, it shows it off. The more you display of the skin organ, the more people will gape. Is it their fault they gape? It doesn't matter your intention (to impress or not); you present them with a subject outside the range of what's acceptable and common. If it becomes common, you have a leg to stand on with such an argument. Until then, "what the fuck ever" is at statement, and a bold one no less.

Uhh... guesss what? I'm not wearing what I wear to impress you. I don't give a toss if you, or anyone else, prefers modesty. I don't give a toss if anyone sees my body - I'm not wearing clothing to SHOW OFF my body. Frankly, I'd prefer some ideal balance where I could wear clothing I like without anyone noticing it as out of the ordinary. I'm of the 'ehhh, it's skin. What the fuck ever, get over it' train of thought. Unless they're below the age where they're legally able to have sex with an adult (18, 17 or 16 usually), girls should be able to wear whatever the hell the want without people getting all flustered over 'OMG SKIN'!

That you are assuming that I wear what I wear to appeal to the interests of others is insulting. I've already stated that I wear what I want BECAUSE I LIKE IT. I also stated, if you'd bothered to read my post instead of, apparently, skimming it, that I prefer skimpy clothing because I overheat extremely easily (especially in summer), and I also have a phobia about wearing heavy clothing. So you can get down off you high horse now, I think.Whoa, easy :)

I thought I was replying to one of your posts that had said something along the lines of "If you have it, why not show it off." That must have been someone else, I apologize. But haven't you gone a bit overboard for the rest of your post?

The thread was all about "Would you let your teenage daughter wear this dress to the prom?"

I said that I was stating my personal preference for modesty, I said what I personally find attractive, I said I didn't care what strangers wear.
And if you assumed your girlfriend/sister was 'showing off her body to strangers' just because she happened to like halterneck tops or shortshorts, I'd hope they'd tell you to go straight to hell. Making assumptions about why people do things is insulting and arrogant.We are talking about that dress!! Yes, if they wanted to wear the dress like it is being worn by the model in the first photo, I would assume things. I think I'd be a bit stupid to not.

NO WAY IN HELL! I've seen whores who showed better taste and more modesty! jooooooooooooooj!

If one is going to be immodest, I insist on showing some artistry about it, it's on top of being immodst really UGLY!!!!!

$493 you say, I am sooo shooting that designer!!!!
Before you do so read later on when it was discovered that the model in the article was wearing the dress backwards (not only does that change the style but also the ammount of coverage

Eh? The skin covers the body, and whether you like it or not, it shows it off. The more you display of the skin organ, the more people will gape. Is it their fault they gape? It doesn't matter your intention (to impress); you present them with a subject outside the range of what's acceptable and common. If it becomes common, you have a leg to stand on with such an argument. Until then, "what the fuck ever" is at statement, and a bold one no less.

... Why exactly did you specifiy that my intention is to impress when I... you know, specifically said it wasn't? Are you just trying to be a jerk or am I missing something?

And I don't care if people gape, but I think it's childish and other synanyms for the same. It's also incredibly rude and shows a greater lack of social grace than wearing something slightly revealing would be. That dress, seen worn properly, shows off a medium amount of cleavage, the model's back, and a small area of her stomach.

That's by no means 'shocking' to me. The first photo of the (incorrectly worn) dress was far closer to 'shocking', but the correct photo is pretty damn tame. It wouldn't have raised any eyebrows if worn to my formal here in Australia.

... Why exactly did you specifiy that my intention is to impress when I... you know, specifically said it wasn't? Are you just trying to be a jerk or am I missing something?

And I don't care if people gape, but I think it's childish and other synanyms for the same. It's also incredibly rude and shows a greater lack of social grace than wearing something slightly revealing would be. That dress, seen worn properly, shows off a medium amount of cleavage, the model's back, and a small area of her stomach.

That's by no means 'shocking' to me. The first photo of the (incorrectly worn) dress was far closer to 'shocking', but the correct photo is pretty damn tame. It wouldn't have raised any eyebrows if worn to my formal here in Australia.
I said it doesn't matter what your intention is.

Re gaping, it's a two-way street; in order for people to gape there must be something to gape at. You cannot absolve yourself (as the skin-organ displayer) of any responsibility there. If you consider it rude, all the more strange you would encourage it by wearing so much skin-organ.

And lastly... you live in Australia? cool :) I'm visiting Sydney and Melbourne in May.

Whoa, easy :)

I thought I was replying to one of your posts that had said something along the lines of "If you have it, why not show it off." That must have been someone else, I apologize. But haven't you gone a bit overboard for the rest of your post?

You mistakenly accused me of flaunting my body for attention and don't expect me to get pissed off? After I've just gone through the same damn thing with another poster? Excuse me if I get annoyed when people don't read my posts properly and then insult me.

The thread was all about "Would you let your teenage daughter wear this dress to the prom?"

Yes, it WAS all about that. So I have to ask where you get off telling me that I'm trying to impress people with what I wear. I don't see why you think you can say that sort of thing and NOT get called out on it. It's incredibly insulting, especially since my main post went into a fair amount of detail as to why that's not the case. If you seriously think you can make comments like; For me(<--Note), the body is something best shared/shown off with someone you are close to, not dressed with the aim of flaunting as much/many of your sexual parts as possible to every stranger you pass. directed at another poster, and not incite a whole lot of anger from them, maybe social forums aren't where you should be hanging out.

I said that I was stating my personal preference for modesty, I said what I personally find attractive, I said I didn't care what strangers wear.
We are talking about that dress!! Yes, if they wanted to wear the dress like it is being worn by the model in the first photo, I would assume things. I think I'd be a bit stupid to not.

Yes. You also assumed that I wear clothing for attention from others. And that I ALWAYS dress immodestly, which isn't right at all (I own maybe two outfits that wouldn't be suitable for casual day wear).

And that dress, when worn correctly, is nothing shocking. That article was written to incite people - that's why that photo was chosen. Go take a good look at the second (correct) photo, and tell me that (in a context outside this sort of thread, without a preconceived opinion), you would consider that dress inappropriate.

I said it doesn't matter what your intention is.

Re gaping, it's a two-way street; in order for people to gape there must be something to gape at. You cannot absolve yourself (as the skin-organ displayer) of any responsibility there. If you consider it rude, all the more strange you would encourage it by wearing so much skin-organ.

And lastly... you live in Australia? cool :) I'm visiting Sydney and Melbourne in May.

There was a time when we all walked around naked. There is nothing wrong with naked or showing off a bit of skin, IMO. It is natural.

Further more, I don't think there is anything wrong with admiring the fine artistic form of feminine beauty either. Though I agree it is a bit rude to ‘gape’ too much.

*politely ignores P L and H and continues hijacking*
yay! no more mosquitoes! that's awesome!

I guess you don't know about the vicious Alaskan and Siberian mosquitoes, there's a brief summer there and the mosquitos are so big that if two make love on an airstrip the plane has to circle until they are done...

You would think she could at least afford something to put on top, instead, she pay's $500 for a piece of sh...err, red string.

There was a time when we all walked around naked. There is nothing wrong with naked or showing off a bit of skin, IMO. It is natural.

Further more, I don't think there is anything wrong with admiring the fine artistic form of feminine beauty either. Though I agree it is a bit rude to ‘gape’ too much.
Natural isn't the issue. :-) Common is. The norm.

There is abolutely nothing wrong with *admiring* the female form for all it is worth. That isn't the issue, either. ;-)

You mistakenly accused me of flaunting my body for attention and don't expect me to get pissed off? After I've just gone through the same damn thing with another poster? Excuse me if I get annoyed when people don't read my posts properly and then insult me.

Yes, it WAS all about that. So I have to ask where you get off telling me that I'm trying to impress people with what I wear. I don't see why you think you can say that sort of thing and NOT get called out on it. It's incredibly insulting, especially since my main post went into a fair amount of detail as to why that's not the case. If you seriously think you can make comments like; directed at another poster, and not incite a whole lot of anger from them, maybe social forums aren't where you should be hanging out.Ok, I was referring to someone who said "If you have the body for it, why not show it off?" That wasn't you. I am sorry about that.

In response to someone who expresses that they enjoy showing off a good body, I don't think it's an unreasonable reply to say that I don't like the idea of showing off your body.

Yes. You also assumed that I wear clothing for attention from others. And that I ALWAYS dress immodestly, which isn't right at all (I own maybe two outfits that wouldn't be suitable for casual day wear). I mistook you for posting something that you didn't. Fine, I'll go and jump off a bridge, then request a business class seat to hell.

Yes, if I were responding to you, after all the context and everything you've posted it would be an innapropriate response. It wasn't you, and in that other context it is an appropriate response.

I said it doesn't matter what your intention is.
By specifying that I'm trying to impress? Why would you specify that if you were trying to say the intention doesn't matter?

Re gaping, it's a two-way street; in order for people to gape there must be something to gape at. You cannot absolve yourself (as the skin-organ displayer) of any responsibility there. If you consider it rude, all the more strange you would encourage it by wearing so much skin-organ.


You are assuming I'm trying to say 'when I get dressed, I don't expect people to look, so when they do, it's rude'. That's not my point. My point is that I don't think anyone SHOULD react like that. To do so is, in fact, rude and childish. Even if people are INCAPABLE of not staring, there are polite and socially acceptable ways to do it. When I do wear something I know will attract looks, I usually make sure to cover up as much as possible while travelling to AVOID getting looks.

And GAH! I've already EXPLAINED the reasons I wear skimpier styles of dress occasionally. READ MY DAMN POSTS. Liking the way it looks is barely even a third of the reason I wear them. How the hell is it strange that I would wear a small amount of clothing when (and hopefully people will read it this time): I faint if I overheat and it's damn hot in Australia in summer; I also have a phobia about wearing heavier clothing?

And lastly... you live in Australia? cool :) I'm visiting Sydney and Melbourne in May. Melbourne is the best ever ^.^
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Why no, I'm not biased, why would you ask such a thing? *hopes that no one remembers she lives in Melbourne >.>*

And May... damn, you'll miss most of the furnace temperatures. There goes my chance to really make a point stick :p

Natural isn't the issue. :-) Common is. The norm.

There is abolutely nothing wrong with *admiring* the female form for all it is worth. That isn't the issue, either. ;-)

You were the one talking about gaping.

Ahh, I should take this chance to let people know I seem a lot more annoyed than I am. I'm Italian-Irish... arguing and flailing randomly while talking are apparently in my blood. I tend to sound like I'm incredibly annoyed and, you know, blood-pressure++ing, when really I'm more 'mildly annoyed'.

So I know I'm rather... overheated. And feel free to tell me where to put that, since I'll just respond in kind (:p).

And Kiwicrog, now it's clear you mistook me for someone else. 's all good. I don't really have anything to argue with if that comment wasn't directed at me, but at another poster. But all you'd said before was that you *might* have mistaken me for someone else... so I addressed your entire post under the assumption that you hadn't.

If you have, none of it really relates to you, as it's based on an incorrect premise (that you were talking about me, not the other poster).

Will you feel better if I give you a cookie?

Ahh, I should take this chance to let people know I seem a lot more annoyed than I am. I'm Italian-Irish... arguing and flailing randomly while talking are apparently in my blood. I tend to sound like I'm incredibly annoyed and, you know, blood-pressure++ing, when really I'm more 'mildly annoyed'.

So I know I'm rather... overheated. And feel free to tell me where to put that, since I'll just respond in kind (:p).

And Kiwicrog, now it's clear you mistook me for someone else. 's all good. I don't really have anything to argue with if that comment wasn't directed at me, but at another poster. But all you'd said before was that you *might* have mistaken me for someone else... so I addressed your entire post under the assumption that you hadn't.

If you have, none of it really relates to you, as it's based on an incorrect premise (that you were talking about me, not the other poster).

Will you feel better if I give you a cookie?

I quite liked what you had to say.

And May... damn, you'll miss most of the furnace temperatures.

Spoken like a true Melbournian. The rest of Oz thinks Melbourne is "rather a bit too cold" most of the time.

It does have its compensating features though.

Spoken like a true Melbournian. The rest of Oz thinks Melbourne is "rather a bit too cold" most of the time.

It does have its compensating features though.

Yeah, well Melbourne thinks the rest of Oz is crazy for living anywhere but Melbourne.

So there ^.^

Will you feel better if I give you a cookie? :fluffle: 'sall good.

I don't like when I think I've made someone hate me! Even if it's online! Generally I'm too smiley for anger :)

I quite liked what you had to say.

Well, I still stand by it. Had he been addressing me originally, nothing would change.

But there's no point in me screaming that I don't dress for attention if he wasn't actually SAYING I dress for attention now, is there? ;)

It's a lesson we should all learn: If you're going to address someone by name, quote them so you can respond *directly* to what they say, rather than what you think they said. :p

And hrm... I should really stop being lazy and use bold instead of caps. Caps look shoddy.

By specifying that I'm trying to impress? Why would you specify that if you were trying to say the intention doesn't matter?
I had edited that, before you replied, but by seconds. But no matter. Whether to impress or not...

You are assuming I'm trying to say 'when I get dressed, I don't expect people to look, so when they do, it's rude'. That's not my point. My point is that I don't think anyone SHOULD react like that. To do so is, in fact, rude and childish. Even if people are INCAPABLE of not staring, there are polite and socially acceptable ways to do it. When I do wear something I know will attract looks, I usually make sure to cover up as much as possible while travelling to AVOID getting looks.
I am assuming to say that when you dress you should use the set standards of society to assess how people may perceive you, knowing how much they might stare in advance. These standards are an accepted generalisation. Not being a mind-reader (I assume you're not?) you have no way of predicting reactions other than by their conformance to the standards that society sets for amount-of-skin presentation. To judge them rude for conforming to standards is unfair.

And GAH! I've already EXPLAINED the reasons I wear skimpier styles of dress occasionally. READ MY DAMN POSTS. Liking the way it looks is barely even a third of the reason I wear them. How the hell is it strange that I would wear a small amount of clothing when (and hopefully people will read it this time): I faint if I overheat and it's damn hot in Australia in summer; I also have a phobia about wearing heavier clothing?
Sorry; I didn't read all the posts. Noted.

Melbourne is the best ever ^.^
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Why no, I'm not biased, why would you ask such a thing? *hopes that no one remembers she lives in Melbourne >.>*

And May... damn, you'll miss most of the furnace temperatures. There goes my chance to really make a point stick :p
I have a very dear friend in Melbourne, so I am a bit biased, too.

Missing the furnace temperatures is entirely the point. :D Go me!

:fluffle: 'sall good.

I don't like when I think I've made someone hate me! Even if it's online! Generally I'm too smiley for anger :)

Awww, I don't hate you!

There's a difference between 'hating' someone and being 'angry' at them - if I actually hated you, you'd just have gone on my ignore list ^.^ And the thing to remember is that 'Italian-Irish' anger tends to be fleeting. Given a few hours, I probably wouldn't have even associated your name with your posts.

Hell, I should really add a disclaimer to my sig. Something like: Warning! Posts may contain 'Italian-Irish anger', which is just mild annoyance, made louder. Backing away slowly and offering cookies MAY save you from the worst effects. Taking it personally is silly, since it'll probably end in cookie exchanging and :fluffle: eventually anyway.

You were the one talking about gaping.
Exactly! The reason people gape is because they have something worthy of gaping at.

Exactly! The reason people gape is because they have something worthy of gaping at.

So I'll just completely disregard your other post then.

So I'll just completely disregard your other post then.
Sure! Unless you want to hear what I said. :)

Sure! Unless you want to hear what I said. :)

I have read what you said, and you appear to be contradicting yourself:

I said it doesn't matter what your intention is.

Re gaping, it's a two-way street; in order for people to gape there must be something to gape at. You cannot absolve yourself (as the skin-organ displayer) of any responsibility there. If you consider it rude, all the more strange you would encourage it by wearing so much skin-organ.

And lastly... you live in Australia? cool :) I'm visiting Sydney and Melbourne in May.

You were the one who mentioned gaping in your post.

Natural isn't the issue. :-) Common is. The norm.

There is abolutely nothing wrong with *admiring* the female form for all it is worth. That isn't the issue, either. ;-)

Yet told me that flaunting and gaping were non-issues. So I'm therefore at a loss to make any sense out of what you have said.

If they are non-issues then don’t bring them up in the first place. I believe that they are issues and relevant to what we have been discussing.

Yeah, well Melbourne thinks the rest of Oz is crazy for living anywhere but Melbourne.

It is a place that engenders strong feelings of loyalty, I've noticed. None of the other cities in Oz have quite the same effect. I've never quite understood it, even though I quite enjoy the times I visit.

I didn't want to start another thread, so on a tangent:

http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=29640&highlight=prom

Quoting post # 5,7,17-18:

"You dance, you eat, you get laid by your date. What's not to like?"

"Prom is so much fun! Everyone always looks amazing and its really great seeing everyone dressed up. Afterwards you get drunk and have sex. WHy wouldn't anyone not like prom?"

"it seems like losing your virginity is a ritual at the prom? what the heck is wrong w/ you people?"
"most people lose it way before then here. Junior year is pretty typical to lose your virginity, start pot. Most people do it on prom as well though. It's sort of gross how some people aim to lose their virginity on prom night. Like some goal."

I have read what you said, and you appear to be contradicting yourself:
You were the one who mentioned gaping in your post.

Yet told me that flaunting and gaping were non-issues. So I'm therefore at a loss to make any sense out of what you have said.

If they are non-issues then don’t bring them up in the first place. I believe that they are issues and relevant to what we have been discussing.
I'm sorry: when is "in order for people to gape there must be something to gape at" a non-issue? We obviously read something different into the words, and I'd really like to understand the difference. Perhaps it's a semantic difference in the concept of "issue"?

EDIT: I don't see a contradiction here; help me out here.

EDIT2: There must also be some philosophical difference, because I see no contradiction in the statements I've made. I'd appreciate it if you point out the contradiction.

I'm sorry: when is "in order for people to gape there must be something to gape at" a non-issue? We obviously read something different into the words, and I'd really like to understand the difference. Perhaps it's a semantic difference in the concept of "issue"?

I said: "There is nothing wrong with naked or showing off a bit of skin, IMO. It is natural. I don't think there is anything wrong with admiring the fine artistic form of feminine beauty either."

You replied: "Natural isn't the issue. Common is. The norm. There is abolutely nothing wrong with admiring the female form for all it is worth. That isn't the issue, either."

In my post:
Showing off skin = flaunting
Admiring feminine beauty = gaping

I just made the simple observation that showing off a bit of skin is quite natural and fine by me. You said, natural isn't the issue and that admiring the female form isn't either. I interpreted that to mean that you were saying my post was irrelevant. If that wasn’t what you meant then I apologize, I'm tired and as already highlighted, many times in this thread alone, it can be easy to misinterpret posts.

The contradiction is clear and I’ve highlighted it already. If you can’t see it, then forget it. It’s pretty clear to me, but maybe I am MISINTERPRETING you.

I said: "There is nothing wrong with naked or showing off a bit of skin, IMO. It is natural. I don't think there is anything wrong with admiring the fine artistic form of feminine beauty either."

You replied: "Natural isn't the issue. Common is. The norm. There is abolutely nothing wrong with admiring the female form for all it is worth. That isn't the issue, either."

In my post:
Showing off skin = flaunting
Admiring feminine beauty = gaping

I just made the simple observation that showing off a bit of skin is quite natural and fine by me. You said, natural isn't the issue and that admiring the female form isn't either. I interpreted that to mean that you were saying my post was irrelevant. If that wasn’t what you meant then I apologize, I'm tired and as already highlighted, many times in this thread alone, it can be easy to misinterpret posts.
Ah!! It's a difference of perspective. I shouldn't have been surprised. Gotta love perspective.

I have no objection to showing a bit of skin.

The point I was making is that people showing a bit of skin have a bit of responsibility for the others who gape at that skin. Whether the skin is lovely --and I'm sure it is --is beside my point. It's an issue of expectations.

I was not saying your post was irrelevant, just that it missed my point. An understandable misconception, since you were making a point perpendicular to mine.

It is a place that engenders strong feelings of loyalty, I've noticed. None of the other cities in Oz have quite the same effect. I've never quite understood it, even though I quite enjoy the times I visit.

I think it's irony... or maybe just good old sarcasm. I really don't like Melbourne that much (I want to move to England! *wails*).

Nonetheless, Melbourne > all other Australian cities.

:p

I think it's irony... or maybe just good old sarcasm. I really don't like Melbourne that much (I want to move to England! *wails*).
Why can't you?

i would never ever wear that dress... i have no problems with my body but thats not the point. If you want to be used for sex and treated like you're a slut then sure go ahead and wear it but don't complain that guys are horrible and don't want you for more than a one night stand. If however you want to be treated as though you're special and worth more than that then DON'T dress like that... sorry bout that i just really can't stand girls who wear clothes like then whinge that their boyf's using them...

And as for letting my teenage daughter wear it (i don't have one as im 14 myself but i can imagine...) i would discourage it and would not pay for it but i would let her have her freedom. It's her choice but i would hope that i had taught her enough common sense to not want to...

And i'm from Adelaide and i LOVE it here... :) ADELAIDE ROCKS

By specifying that I'm trying to impress? Why would you specify that if you were trying to say the intention doesn't matter?



You are assuming I'm trying to say 'when I get dressed, I don't expect people to look, so when they do, it's rude'. That's not my point. My point is that I don't think anyone SHOULD react like that. To do so is, in fact, rude and childish. Even if people are INCAPABLE of not staring, there are polite and socially acceptable ways to do it. When I do wear something I know will attract looks, I usually make sure to cover up as much as possible while travelling to AVOID getting looks.

And GAH! I've already EXPLAINED the reasons I wear skimpier styles of dress occasionally. READ MY DAMN POSTS. Liking the way it looks is barely even a third of the reason I wear them. How the hell is it strange that I would wear a small amount of clothing when (and hopefully people will read it this time): I faint if I overheat and it's damn hot in Australia in summer; I also have a phobia about wearing heavier clothing?

Melbourne is the best ever ^.^
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Why no, I'm not biased, why would you ask such a thing? *hopes that no one remembers she lives in Melbourne >.>*

And May... damn, you'll miss most of the furnace temperatures. There goes my chance to really make a point stick :p

There's a difference between wearing slutty clothes and wearing clothes that keep you cool... i know it's kinda hard sometimes though in summer... i just try to keep on the side that doesn't make guys look @ me like a sex object... and i must agree you're missin the best time of our year... *sighs*

Ah!! It's a difference of perspective. I shouldn't have been surprised. Gotta love perspective.

I have no objection to showing a bit of skin.

The point I was making is that people showing a bit of skin have a bit of responsibility for the others who gape at that skin. Whether the skin is lovely --and I'm sure it is --is beside my point. It's an issue of expectations.

I was not saying your post was irrelevant, just that it missed my point. An understandable misconception, since you were making a point perpendicular to mine.
I always think I'm helping but usually I make things worse, you'd think that would stop me...you'd think....

So anyway-here's my run at it:

You can wear what you want for whatever reason you want. But if you are layin' it out there, so to speak-regardless of your intent, I'm gonna look. You can't shine a spotlight on something and then start tellin' people, "Don't look....don't do it! If you look at this thing right here that I'm showing you that you don't normally see right here, right in the spot light-if you look you're a freak! At this thing right here. In the big bright spotlight...."

I'm gonna look. And my mind is going to go there. It's the wiring. You have every right to dress how you like. And I don't have any right to do anything beyond look. But I'm only going to feel so bad for looking, at a certain point, I'm being shown. No matter what your intentions may be.

EDIT: I should add that I just now sorted out the forward dress backward dress and forward t'ain't nothin'. If my hypothetical daughter had a swimsuit the more's been on display, and again-if it became an issue of me and a daughter having to battle over what she wears too many things have gone wrong previously that should have been dealt with.

i would never ever wear that dress... i have no problems with my body but thats not the point. If you want to be used for sex and treated like you're a slut then sure go ahead and wear it but don't complain that guys are horrible and don't want you for more than a one night stand. If however you want to be treated as though you're special and worth more than that then DON'T dress like that... sorry bout that i just really can't stand girls who wear clothes like then whinge that their boyf's using them...

And as for letting my teenage daughter wear it (i don't have one as im 14 myself but i can imagine...) i would discourage it and would not pay for it but i would let her have her freedom. It's her choice but i would hope that i had taught her enough common sense to not want to...Wow, give this girl a cookie! There's nothing like an attractive girl who doesn't want to show off as much as possible, that's how you get the guys who don't treat you like shit!

I couldn't agree more! With everything!

Freaky...

Bullshit! Not in MY household! :(

Sounds like, minus the profanity, you are a very good parent. Anyone who would allow a minor or dependent living under their roof out of the house with something like this on doesn't deserve the title of parent.

Sounds like, minus the profanity, you are a very good parent. Anyone who would allow a minor or dependent living under their roof out of the house with something like this on doesn't deserve the title of parent.
Or she could have been wearing it BACKWARDS in that article (look at the real thing ... posted a few pages up) the picture in the article is incorrect

Or she could have been wearing it BACKWARDS in that article (look at the real thing ... posted a few pages up) the picture in the article is incorrect

Having looked at it both ways, I'd say exactly the same thing for either.

BTW, that was more like 26pages ago.

Or she could have been wearing it BACKWARDS in that article (look at the real thing ... posted a few pages up) the picture in the article is incorrect
hurray for shameless twisting of facts!

mmm, revealing.... :)

I would be worried about my boobs falling out. It would have to be for flatter girls, lol.

Haha...true.

Having looked at it both ways, I'd say exactly the same thing for either.

BTW, that was more like 26pages ago.
Ahh I have posts per page turned up so there are 1/2 as many pages ago (though I know its been quoted in the last hr cause I was the one that did it myself)

and the correct one was not all that bad

Ahh I have posts per page turned up so there are 1/2 as many pages ago (though I know its been quoted in the last hr cause I was the one that did it myself)

and the correct one was not all that bad

I wouldn't want my wife wearing it in public, much less my daughter. IMO it is just about as bad either way and in both cases boardering on indecent exposure.

Mind you, even though I wouldn't want my wife wearing it in public, she is her own person and entitled to do whatever she wishes, but I don't think she'd consent to wear something like that in public even if I asked her to.

Yer that is saying

"Rip my clothes off NOW"

Yer that is saying

"Rip my clothes off NOW"

More like, "I took my clothes off already. Have your way with me."

There choice. Backwards or forwards, it makes no difference

More like, "I took my clothes off already. Have your way with me."
So your going with the clothing promotes rape line?

So your going with the clothing promotes rape line?


It is one potential factor. Though I'd say it is more likely to produce obsession or stalking. In any case, I'm not saying that someone wearing such a thing is legally liable for the illegal behavior of another, just that it is a stupid thing to do and speaks of low moral and self value to me.

I'm a 15 year old guy, but even I think that would be going too far. When going to a prom I'd sooner see a girl look classy and elegant, it looks much better. That dress is just tacky and I'd probably lose some respect for the girl that wore it. That said, it's never a good idea to be too overbearing. My dad's a really strict christian and my sister (A little younger than me) has to wear skirts that goto her knees when she sits down! That's not the best idea as she doesn't like it one bit and I think she sneaks other clothes on behind his back!

If I have a daughter I won't go as far as my dad but I won't let her dress like a slut, because as my dad says "I know what boys are like, I was one!"

More like, "I took my clothes off already. Have your way with me."
convinient :)

convinient :)

Only for someone who doesn't care what they sleep with. :rolleyes:

Only for someone who doesn't care what they sleep with. :rolleyes:
Judging people by their (lack of) closes? tsk tsk :rolleyes:

If I had a daughter of prom-going age, I'd let her wear what she wanted provided it didn't break indecent exposure laws and the like.

If she was going to wear something that rape-inspiring though, I'd encourage her to carry a sidearm.

I'm a 15 year old guy, but even I think that would be going too far. When going to a prom I'd sooner see a girl look classy and elegant, it looks much better. That dress is just tacky and I'd probably lose some respect for the girl that wore it....If I have a daughter I won't go as far as my dad but I won't let her dress like a slut, because as my dad says "I know what boys are like, I was one!"Another man that deserves a cookie!

I sincerely hope that my teenage daughter would not care about primitive rituals such as "proms".

I wouldn't want my wife wearing it in public, much less my daughter. IMO it is just about as bad either way and in both cases boardering on indecent exposure.

Mind you, even though I wouldn't want my wife wearing it in public, she is her own person and entitled to do whatever she wishes, but I don't think she'd consent to wear something like that in public even if I asked her to.
the incorrect way: ie the way they are trying to pretend and convince the uninformed moronic masses that it goes, makes you look like a dancer, and i dont mean tap

the correct way is still very showy but much classier

the incorrect way: ie the way they are trying to pretend and convince the uninformed moronic masses that it goes, makes you look like a dancer, and i dont mean tap

the correct way is still very showy but much classierDidn't someone (Not trying to remember a name for fear of wrath ;)) say that it was designed to be reversable, so that it isn't "incorrect," it's just one of the intended ways for it to be worn?

It is one potential factor. Though I'd say it is more likely to produce obsession or stalking. In any case, I'm not saying that someone wearing such a thing is legally liable for the illegal behavior of another, just that it is a stupid thing to do and speaks of low moral and self value to me.
clothing does not encourage rape. a woman in a snow suit is as likely to get raped as a woman in a miniskirt and heels. (well, perhaps someone could run better in boots than in high heels, but other than that)

if anything, a woman who would go out dressed like that is less likely to be raped as chances are she's quite self confident (less likely to blame herself for an assault, and also would walk with her head up, making it more likely she coudl identify her attacker and/or see him coming.)

saying that clothing encourages rape is making rape into a pleasure seeking venture for the rapist. rape has never been about sex. rape is about power.

clothing does not encourage rape. a woman in a snow suit is as likely to get raped as a woman in a miniskirt and heels. (well, perhaps someone could run better in boots than in high heels, but other than that)

if anything, a woman who would go out dressed like that is less likely to be raped as chances are she's quite self confident (less likely to blame herself for an assault, and also would walk with her head up, making it more likely she coudl identify her attacker and/or see him coming.)

saying that clothing encourages rape is making rape into a pleasure seeking venture for the rapist. rape has never been about sex. rape is about power.I think that wearing skanty clothes doesn't encourage full-blown rape, but probably encourages sexual assault.

Yes, I know that most rape is about power, so a nervous girl (Or woman, or old lady for that matter) wearing jeans and a cardigan is just as likely to get raped as someone dressed skantily.

But a skanky girl/woman in a bar is going to get a lot more unwanted attention than a girl who has covered herself up. There are enough dickhead guys that would be drunk, see all the skin, and react badly.

I know it isn't an "invitation" to rape or sexual assault. But it is a temptation to.

saying that clothing encourages rape is making rape into a pleasure seeking venture for the rapist. rape has never been about sex. rape is about power.

I have trouble seeing what people mean when they say "rape isn't about sex, it's about power".

Rape is an act of sex. You can show power by just beating someone up. If a rapist's only motivation was to show power, he could just smack his victim in the face until they fell over and bled. I'm pretty sure rape is intertwined heavily with lust and a desire for sex.

Ever heard of a gay guy raping a woman? If rape was only about power, surely the sex of the victim wouldn't matter.

If I was a father and had a teenage girl I would never let her go in something like that, I would make her wear a thick sweater and baggie pants or something like that. :rolleyes:

I have trouble seeing what people mean when they say "rape isn't about sex, it's about power".

Rape is an act of sex. You can show power by just beating someone up. If a rapist's only motivation was to show power, he could just smack his victim in the face until they fell over and bled. I'm pretty sure rape is intertwined heavily with lust and a desire for sex.

Ever heard of a gay guy raping a woman? If rape was only about power, surely the sex of the victim wouldn't matter.
ever hear of a straight guy raping a man? (hint: it happens in prison) rape is about power.

and yes, you can show power by beating someone up, but rape is much more heinous than that. there is little you can do to a person that is worse than violating them like that.

ever hear of a straight guy raping a man? (hint: it happens in prison) rape is about power.

and yes, you can show power by beating someone up, but rape is much more heinous than that. there is little you can do to a person that is worse than violating them like that.

Precisely. This is exactly why rapists should be castrated and meant to suffer greatly and if they rape children they must suffer more than anyone has ever in the entirity of humanity. I loathe rapists and hope they all rot in the most painful of places in the world.

I sincerely hope that my teenage daughter would not care about primitive rituals such as "proms".

Do you dance to rock music?

Wow, give this girl a cookie! There's nothing like an attractive girl who doesn't want to show off as much as possible, that's how you get the guys who don't treat you like shit!

I couldn't agree more! With everything!

Freaky...

aww... thankyou... you can have a cookie 2... :) *hands over cookie*

I sincerely hope that my teenage daughter would not care about primitive rituals such as "proms".

I didn't go to my school formal by choice. Do I get a cookie? Or pie?

*gives Shaed a cookie*

Precisely. This is exactly why rapists should be castrated and meant to suffer greatly and if they rape children they must suffer more than anyone has ever in the entirity of humanity. I loathe rapists and hope they all rot in the most painful of places in the world.
That sounds quite extreme. I feel no one, no matter how bad or horrible their crime, should suffer ANYTHING.

OOC On frontwards it looks fine, but Is WAY to expencvie. I need to get my Grandma to make one for me.......

Hell, no!

Ugh, I don't want to think of what could happen to the girl in the photo at a prom... :eek:

Looks more like prom night than the actual dance...

Might as well paint that chest red with the words "I WANT SEX!"

What is the problem if they want. A seventeen/eighteen year old wearing that is very sexy. By wearing it they send a message: lust

If i had a teenage daughter there is no way in hell she would be wearing thet dress. But if it was some girl that i wasn't related to, then by all means, wear the dress. ;)

Sure why not?

I didn't go to my school formal by choice. Do I get a cookie? Or pie?

Eternal life is on your plate.

Do you dance to rock music?

Were I to divulge this information, how would it be relevant?

Were I to divulge this information, how would it be relevant?

Well, you were the one who mentioned "Tribal Rites," did you not? :D

Eh, all you people who say the clothes don't make the girl a slut are right. She wouldn't dress like that unless she allready WAS a slut.

I'm sticking with my vote of that dress being ugly, and unfit for wear. by ANYONE.

and just in case anyone says I'm too out of touch with highschool fashion:

I turn 17 in feb, I'm a junior in highschool. I see slutty clothes every day I go. Is it attractive? NO. It's the reason most of the guys at my school walk over nearly every girl I see. -shrugs- I'm really happy my gf doesn't dress like that ^_^

My oldest daughter worse something vaguely similar, but there was more of it. Heh. My youngest daughter just went to our British equivalent, and she had a right laugh. She turned up in a nice black one, which i helped her pick.

Well, you were the one who mentioned "Tribal Rites," did you not? :D

No, I called them "primitive rituals".

No, I called them "primitive rituals".

Oh. Ok. Sorry. I would place dancing to rock music in the same category. :D

That sounds quite extreme. I feel no one, no matter how bad or horrible their crime, should suffer ANYTHING.

Then what's the point of having a justice system.

I know I wouldn't have! And if their parents allowed one of my grand-daughters to wear one, I would threaten them with dire bodily harm!

http://www.nypost.com/style/39213.htm

Why would any parent want to allow a teenage girl to wear something like this? Hell, not many actresses out in Hollyweird wear things like this! Mutter, grumble, murmur! :headbang:

EDIT: Several people have pointed out that either the dress is on backwards in the above picture, or the dress is reversable ( not wearing them I wouldn't know ). Here is a picture of the dress worn the other way around:

http://store1.yimg.com/I/modernbridalshop_1827_4953578

I give it a resounding HEEEEEEELL NO! That dress practically screams RAPE ME!

'Course, that doesn't stop me from wanting my GF to wear it to prom :D

I give it a resounding HEEEEEEELL NO! That dress practically screams RAPE ME!

'Course, that doesn't stop me from wanting my GF to wear it to prom :D

Heh! And therein lies part of the problem. What men want to see their own woman wear is usually not what they would like to see their daughter wear! :)

Heh! And therein lies part of the problem. What men want to see their own woman wear is usually not what they would like to see their daughter wear! :)

You're so wise.

Welcome to America.

Stop thinking "rape" and start thinking "yummie".

I turn 17 in feb, I'm a junior in highschool. I see slutty clothes every day I go. Is it attractive? NO. It's the reason most of the guys at my school walk over nearly every girl I see. -shrugs- I'm really happy my gf doesn't dress like that ^_^ Yay! More cookies to hand out!!

Heinous i blame Liberals
and Aeroplanes
And mixing of the races
And Free/Fair Trade

I know I wouldn't have! And if their parents allowed one of my grand-daughters to wear one, I would threaten them with dire bodily harm!

http://www.nypost.com/style/39213.htm

Why would any parent want to allow a teenage girl to wear something like this? Hell, not many actresses out in Hollyweird wear things like this! Mutter, grumble, murmur! :headbang:

EDIT: Several people have pointed out that either the dress is on backwards in the above picture, or the dress is reversable ( not wearing them I wouldn't know ). Here is a picture of the dress worn the other way around:

http://store1.yimg.com/I/modernbridalshop_1827_4953578
What do you have against Isiah Thomas?-Didnt get a pick on the top linksie

I wouldn't let my daughter wear that out of the house.

Might as well paint that chest red with the words "I WANT SEX!"
Well, I know what dress I'm wearing to Prom now.
Just kidding.
Not about the wanting sex thing.
Just... the... k I'm done.

It looks real ugly, in my opinion, not something I would want my date to wear.

Agreed.

This thread is all wrong, the correct NS etiquit states that all questions such as this should be asked in the: "If you had a duaghter...that..." form, thus

If you had a teenage daughter that wore this to the prom.

funny :)

In the time I'll have a child, those things shall be normal... Unless we're having a retro-period.

If she wanted to wear that, I'd be sure she was wellstocked with condoms beforehand. Yowza.

Well, the reversed way, not a chance, looks more like soft-core porn, or about to be porn.

The normal way, probally, though only after meeting the boy that was taking him and introducing him to a few of my more leathal items, though my wife would probally frown upon me threatening them too much, hee he hee.

I already have my baby sister's boyfriend scared of me, all I do is look at him and he leaves the room, lol.

The dress is ugly the right way around.. It looks like an 80's style high waisted skirt with massive tacky sequins+aerobics shirt.. anything showing skin between breasts and navel without acctual navel showing is hideously ugly. That's the problem with the dress, plus it does not fit right and gapes in odd places, it is just a badly made cheap looking dress.. A well made dress, even if the chest area was left completely bare would not look that tacky.. anyone who would wear that dress is a cheap slut, purely because they would allow themselves to wear something that obviously crappy.

Eh, all you people who say the clothes don't make the girl a slut are right. She wouldn't dress like that unless she allready WAS a slut.

I'm sticking with my vote of that dress being ugly, and unfit for wear. by ANYONE.

and just in case anyone says I'm too out of touch with highschool fashion:

I turn 17 in feb, I'm a junior in highschool. I see slutty clothes every day I go. Is it attractive? NO. It's the reason most of the guys at my school walk over nearly every girl I see. -shrugs- I'm really happy my gf doesn't dress like that ^_^

YAY!!! i guy with some respect!!! it's really cool 2 know that some guys don't want us to dress like sluts...

I know I wouldn't have! And if their parents allowed one of my grand-daughters to wear one, I would threaten them with dire bodily harm!

http://www.nypost.com/style/39213.htm

Why would any parent want to allow a teenage girl to wear something like this? Hell, not many actresses out in Hollyweird wear things like this! Mutter, grumble, murmur! :headbang:

EDIT: Several people have pointed out that either the dress is on backwards in the above picture, or the dress is reversable ( not wearing them I wouldn't know ). Here is a picture of the dress worn the other way around:

http://store1.yimg.com/I/modernbridalshop_1827_4953578

You should make this a poll...

YAY!!! i guy with some respect!!! it's really cool 2 know that some guys don't want us to dress like sluts...
we dont have to want you to dress anyway you dont want to ... (well some of us) whatever makes you happy go for that if it is sluty so be it

if not who cares

If I had a daughter of prom-going age, I'd let her wear what she wanted provided it didn't break indecent exposure laws and the like.

If she was going to wear something that rape-inspiring though, I'd encourage her to carry a sidearm.

I second the motion.

kinda skanky if you're not flat

I think it's a nice dress.