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I know I wouldn't have! And if their parents allowed one of my grand-daughters to wear one, I would threaten them with dire bodily harm!

http://www.nypost.com/style/39213.htm

Why would any parent want to allow a teenage girl to wear something like this? Hell, not many actresses out in Hollyweird wear things like this! Mutter, grumble, murmur! :headbang:

EDIT: Several people have pointed out that either the dress is on backwards in the above picture, or the dress is reversable ( not wearing them I wouldn't know ). Here is a picture of the dress worn the other way around:

http://store1.yimg.com/I/modernbridalshop_1827_4953578

Its on backwards BTW. Also its very ugly.

Edit: Oops they took the picture out. Well earlier they had a supposed picture of the dress up, but the model had it on backwards.

Might as well paint that chest red with the words "I WANT SEX!"

we're degenerate yay!

Um... I'd feel a little insecure in that dress...

I would be worried about my boobs falling out. It would have to be for flatter girls, lol.

It looks real ugly, in my opinion, not something I would want my date to wear.

:eek: I want to TAKE that girl to the prom!! YOW!!!!!!

editors note: If I had my own daughter, she'd be staying home before going to the prom dressed like that - I was at prom once, I know what goes down there! (no pun intended, she might see this - you never know!) No damned way!!!! She could wear like... a potato sack or something. :p

I think this dress looks very nice. It is a little revealing but it should be up to the person to decide that not a parent.

*Shrug*. Why not? I'd expect her to have better taste than that though.

I would be worried about my boobs falling out. It would have to be for flatter girls, lol.

:D

I don't see how $495 would be fair for a few bits of cloth. o__O

And to answer your question, I would sooner let her marry a hobo.

I think this dress looks very nice. It is a little revealing but it should be up to the person to decide that not a parent.

Bullshit! Not in MY household! :(

:eek: I want to TAKE that girl to the prom!! YOW!!!!!!

editors note: If I had my own daughter, she'd be staying home before going to the prom dressed like that - I was at prom once, I know what goes down there! (no pun intended, she might see this - you never know!) No damned way!!!! She could wear like... a potato sack or something. :p

LOL! Ye olde double standard rears its ugly head! :D

Mine wouldn't be allowed to go to a prom to begin with.

Bullshit! Not in MY household! :(
Yeah lets be serious, if you're the parent you still have a say in the matter. I also think alot of people are missing the point, the dress is ugly as hell.

I don't see how $495 would be fair for a few bits of cloth. o__O

And to answer your question, I would sooner let her marry a hobo.

LOL! Good for you! :D

Yeah lets be serious, if you're the parent you still have a say in the matter. I also think alot of people are missing the point, the dress is ugly as hell.

True, but the article said that it was among the most popular prom dresses. That really freaks me out! :(

LOL! Ye olde double standard rears its ugly head! :D
Yeah, thats the scary part... I'm sure there are enough guys here who went to the prom with something particular on their minds... and it sure isn't the type of kitten that girls think of.

If I should ever have a daughter of my own to worry about (and I doubt I ever will, but I'd better say this anyway!) you can bet your buttons I'll be remembering that too! :p

True, but the article said that it was among the most popular prom dresses. That really freaks me out! :(
Agreed, thats a high concentration of bad taste. Besides, the prom is supposed to be somewhat elegant, and that dress is anything but.

Yeah lets be serious, if you're the parent you still have a say in the matter. I also think alot of people are missing the point, the dress is ugly as hell.

As a parent, you also need to give your children the freedom to make decisions you disagree with. IMO, this is one of those areas.

When I went to prom my junior year, the big controversy was the two-piece prom dresses, where your whole midsection pretty much showed. Only like 2 girls in my class were capable of pulling it off, so they did. I guess I didn't think it was trashy at the time, but a lot of parents did.

Mine wouldn't be allowed to go to a prom to begin with.

Are you trying to hurt your daughter's social life?

I doubt I would let her if I had a daughter. But she'd probably get laid that night, anyway.

Are you trying to hurt your daughter's social life?
What social life? :D

Only teenage broads-in-training, striving for that extra bit of teenage attention would wear that.

Are you trying to hurt your daughter's social life?
No, I'm trying to keep her from wasting her money on yet another useless, commercial-driven, money-grubbing fest.

What social life? :D

Well if she's like that then yes. Proms aren't the best place.

I would be worried about my boobs falling out. It would have to be for flatter girls, lol.
Ah, the wonders of duct tape... :cool:

That said, it would be a cold day in hell before my daughter, at any age, wore a dress like that in public. When she is 30, I still won't let her wear something like that. Who are the sick bastards designing these dress for suck young girls anyway, the friggin pervs.

Edit: The dress is on backwards, but it is not much better from the front.
http://store1.yimg.com/I/modernbridalshop_1827_4953578

MY daughter will never go to the prom. She's eleven, and when she turns 12, she's going to the convent, and not coming back until she's 30.

Well if she's like that then yes. Proms aren't the best place.
No daughter of mine will have a social life!!!!

Yeah, thats the scary part... I'm sure there are enough guys here who went to the prom with something particular on their minds... and it sure isn't the type of kitten that girls think of.

If I should ever have a daughter of my own to worry about (and I doubt I ever will, but I'd better say this anyway!) you can bet your buttons I'll be remembering that too! :p

I have three daughters, all grown now. There weren't any dresses like that for them when they lived at home and if they had tried to wear something like that, I would have grounded them for a lifetime! Now I have two grand-daughters ( ages 12 and 15 ), and there's absolutely no WAY I would allow either of them to wear such a thing! If their parents allowed it, we would have had "words."

My children had as much freedom as their maturity would permit when they lived at home. When they reached 18, they knew they were expected to either go on to college or get a job, and they were adults in my eyes as well as in their own.

When they moved out, they made their own decisions, but if they decided to continue living at home, they had to follow the "house rules." There were no "house rules" concerning dress for adult children. But if they had decided to wear a dress like this, they would have known that their mother and I did not approve without us having to say a word.

I think this approach was very fair and reasonable of their mother and me.

As a parent, you also need to give your children the freedom to make decisions you disagree with. IMO, this is one of those areas.
Of course of course, I'm not saying you should rule with an iron fist or anything. You at least have to say, thats an ugly ass dress and you shouldn't wear it.

MY daughter will never go to the prom. She's eleven, and when she turns 12, she's going to the convent, and not coming back until she's 30.
You think maybe you could let her decide what she wants to do with herself when she's 18?

I doubt I would let her if I had a daughter. But she'd probably get laid that night, anyway.
yeah no point trying to stop the inevitable
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resistance is futile

You think maybe you could let her decide what she wants to do with herself when she's 18?
You realize thats a joke right?

It looks like perfectly appropriate attire if you make your living on your back or slithering on a steel pole covered in oil.

Otherwise...it's not happenin'.

I have three daughters, all grown now. There weren't any dresses like that for them when they lived at home and if they had tried to wear something like that, I would have grounded them for a lifetime! Now I have two grand-daughters ( ages 12 and 15 ), and there's absolutely no WAY I would allow either of them to wear such a thing! If their parents allowed it, we would have had "words."

My children had as much freedom as their maturity would permit when they lived at home. When they reached 18, they knew they were expected to either go on to college or get a job, and they were adults in my eyes as well as in their own.

When they moved out, they made their own decisions, but if they decided to continue living at home, they had to follow the "house rules." There were no "house rules" concerning dress for adult children. But if they had decided to wear a dress like this, they would have known that their mother and I did not approve without us having to say a word.

I think this approach was very fair and reasonable of their mother and me.
Sounds very reasonable to me. I hav an 11 year old girl and 2 younger boys. My 11-year old is already too beautiful for my comfort, but we have raised her with Christian values and attitudes, and she points out the sleazy clothes people wear on TV before I do sometimes. Parents who let their teenage girls out of the house like that are asking for trouble.

i wish my prom date wore that

The dress is ugly.

A gown can be revealing and elegant, or it can be revealing and tasteless. That designer wins an award for the second.

You think maybe you could let her decide what she wants to do with herself when she's 18?
I was using a literary device called hyperbole, meaning exaggeration to emphasize a feeling or point of view.

Pretty girls should have to wear tight leather pants and jackets.

Sounds very reasonable to me. I hav an 11 year old girl and 2 younger boys. My 11-year old is already too beautiful for my comfort, but we have raised her with Christian values and attitudes, and she points out the sleazy clothes people wear on TV before I do sometimes. Parents who let their teenage girls out of the house like that are asking for trouble.
I don't want to sound like a jerk, but a quick bit of advice. Don't be the ultra anti-sex at all times parents. Those girls end up being total sluts in college.

Sounds very reasonable to me. I hav an 11 year old girl and 2 younger boys. My 11-year old is already too beautiful for my comfort, but we have raised her with Christian values and attitudes, and she points out the sleazy clothes people wear on TV before I do sometimes. Parents who let their teenage girls out of the house like that are asking for trouble.

Sounds like you're doing a good job! :)

My estranged wife and I always agreed on behavior standards, but I let her teach the kids values. When they got older, I gave them permission to think and to set their own standards. We must have done something right, because all five of ours turned out to be really good, caring, responsible people. Does it show that I'm inordinately proud of them? :D

I don't want to sound like a jerk, but a quick bit of advice. Don't be the ultra anti-sex at all times parents. Those girls end up being total sluts in college.
Ssshtt...if word get's around the number of sluts will decrease. Do you want that on your concience?

The dress is ugly.

A gown can be revealing and elegant, or it can be revealing and tasteless. That designer wins an award for the second.
Ding ding

Thats hits the nail on the head.

I don't want to sound like a jerk, but a quick bit of advice. Don't be the ultra anti-sex at all times parents. Those girls end up being total sluts in college.

Some do, some don't. And some who were raised responsibly turn out to be "sluts" too. I think the etiology of "slutness" is probably too complex to reduce to a formula.

If a kid hasn't learned how to dress herself properly by prom, I wonder if she's a lost cause? Maybe not. I would certainly try my damndest to discourage my daughter (or anyone I know, for that matter) from wearing something like that. But, if they insist, it's their funeral. I just wouldn't pay for it.

I'm hoping that if I have kids, my own good taste'll rub off on 'em. :D

Some do, some don't. And some who were raised responsibly turn out to be "sluts" too. I think the etiology of "slutness" is probably too complex to reduce to a formula.
As a general rule repressed sexuality doesn't lead to good things. Also I meant the seriously repressed girls that are taught how evil sex is, and how it is disgusting for them to ever feel anything sexual.

First off, it's painfully obvious that the "journalists" that wrote the story and selected the photo were looking to push buttons and create false controversy. Congratulations to all those shocked by the picture, wasn't it obvious that the dress didn't sit right?

Now, having seen the actual dress (frontwards) I could handle a daughter wearing it to the prom (I only have boys) but, she'd have to come up with at least $300 for the price tag. Alternatively, a friend of ours could likely create a similar, better (sexier and more elegant) version for less than 1/3 that price.

To answer your question: Abso-fuckin'-lutely NOT. No, hell no, positively no, and if she came into my living room wearing that thing, I'd ground her.

No no no no no no no no no no no no no.

I can't say it enough .... NO!

Hope that answers your question.

EDIT: The above response has nothing to do with Muslim modesty issues, but rather a general sense of common decency.

I kind of agree with the above(twice above someone else got in while I was typing), now after having seen it from the front it doesn't look that bad. So long as it isn't a fat chick ;)

As a general rule repressed sexuality doesn't lead to good things. Also I meant the seriously repressed girls that are taught how evil sex is, and how it is disgusting for them to ever feel anything sexual.Ok, can we see a difference between being "seriously repressed and learning how evil sex is" and having no taste by showing thier breasts to every guy in the school?

Ah, the wonders of duct tape... :cool:

That said, it would be a cold day in hell before my daughter, at any age, wore a dress like that in public. When she is 30, I still won't let her wear something like that. Who are the sick bastards designing these dress for suck young girls anyway, the friggin pervs.

Edit: The dress is on backwards, but it is not much better from the front.
http://store1.yimg.com/I/modernbridalshop_1827_4953578

That isn't bad at all. The artical made it sound like it left framed the vulva exposed with bright flickering landing strip lights.

That dress couldn't even be considered risque. It may be nontraditional, but it is also fairly prudish.

Ok, can we see a difference between being "seriously repressed and learning how evil sex is" and having no taste by showing thier breasts to every guy in the school?
Oh absolutely, I think that dress is just in bad taste. I was just pointing out that at the same you can't simply force your kids to follow a morality, it just ends bad. In fact there are more occurences of rape per capita in sexualy repressed countries as opposed to more permissive societies. I mean have you ever seen European TV? Its crazy, but in the end seeing a few boobs on TV leads to a healthier society.

Sounds like you're doing a good job! :)

My estranged wife and I always agreed on behavior standards, but I let her teach the kids values. When they got older, I gave them permission to think and to set their own standards. We must have done something right, because all five of ours turned out to be really good, caring, responsible people. Does it show that I'm inordinately proud of them? :D
As you should be! Of course, my kids are better ... :D

That isn't bad at all. The artical made it sound like it left framed the vulva exposed with bright flickering landing strip lights.

That dress couldn't even be considered risque. It may be nontraditional, but it is also fairly prudish.
As a prom dress though, its not exactly kosher. The prom is supposed to be somewhat elegant, a quality that dress is sorely lacking. Its nothing incredibly despicable though.

I'd probably guilt my daughter (if or when I have one) into not wearing that just by laughing at her continously until she decided on a better dress. I like it, but only because I'm not related to the girl wearing it. And I happen to be a guy.

As a general rule repressed sexuality doesn't lead to good things. Also I meant the seriously repressed girls that are taught how evil sex is, and how it is disgusting for them to ever feel anything sexual.

That's just a very sick and deluded approach to life. :(

backwards (http://www.nbcsandiego.com/slideshow/news/4128883/detail.html?qs=;s=5;p=news;dm=ss;w=320)

Nowheres do they post the "forwards" version...my question is, is the dress intended to be reversible? Clearly the designer has several promo pictures of models in both styles and colors - so either it's meant to be worn either way, or the backwards style is just a publicity stunt.

As a member of the "target group", my reaction is :eek: to either version...the black one could look classy if there was a bit less skin, maybe. Then again, my fashion sense does consist of browsing through the ladies' section of ThinkGeek... :D

Honestly, I don't see any of my friends, or just about any of the girls at my school, wearing that to prom. Prom is about poofy princess dresses, although it seems to be turning towards slut-wear as girls get more and more risque. Of course, every girl knows that to do it right you've got to cover up the right places - if you leave nothing to the imagination, you're not a sexy tease, you're just a slut.

As a general rule repressed sexuality doesn't lead to good things. Also I meant the seriously repressed girls that are taught how evil sex is, and how it is disgusting for them to ever feel anything sexual.
Did I say I was teaching her sex is evil and disgusting? Or did you just assume that because I mentioned "Christian" values? Christianity, as I have understood it, does not condemn sex as evil, just sex outside of marriage. And it does not say sex is disgusting, either, anywhere in the Bible, but is best experienced in a committed relationship, i.e. marriage.

To answer your question: Abso-fuckin'-lutely NOT. No, hell no, positively no, and if she came into my living room wearing that thing, I'd ground her.

No no no no no no no no no no no no no.

I can't say it enough .... NO!

Hope that answers your question.

EDIT: The above response has nothing to do with Muslim modesty issues, but rather a general sense of common decency.

Good for you, my brother! Good for you! :D

To answer your question: Abso-fuckin'-lutely NOT. No, hell no, positively no, and if she came into my living room wearing that thing, I'd ground her.

No no no no no no no no no no no no no.

I can't say it enough .... NO!

Hope that answers your question.

EDIT: The above response has nothing to do with Muslim modesty issues, but rather a general sense of common decency.
I am most decidedly not a Muslim, but I agree with every line of the above. If anything, my reaction would be more extreme. Though I would hope, as other posters have hinted, that I would have raised her well enough that she wouldn't dream of wearing such a "dress."

To answer your question: Abso-fuckin'-lutely NOT. No, hell no, positively no, and if she came into my living room wearing that thing, I'd ground her.

No no no no no no no no no no no no no.

I can't say it enough .... NO!

Hope that answers your question.

EDIT: The above response has nothing to do with Muslim modesty issues, but rather a general sense of common decency.
Amen to that. Pun intended! :D

As you should be! Of course, my kids are better ... :D

Spoken like a true parent! :D

Having seen the dress from the front, I might temper my response. But "temper" as in "agree with Keruvalia" not my original "more extreme that Keruvalia."

I'm a fifteen year old girl, and my mom lets me dress however I want. As it happens, I prefer modest clothing, which I'm sure is part of the reason it hasn't become a conflict.
However, the way a teenage girl dressed does not control her behavior-- A girl who dressed innapropriately still makes her own decisions when it comes to the actions, and visa versa. Making rules about what your daughter can and cannot wear may give you a false sense of control over her sexual actions, but in the end, the only thing you can do is keep the lines of communication open and honest.

I am most decidedly not a Muslim, but I agree with every line of the above. If anything, my reaction would be more extreme. Though I would hope, as other posters have hinted, that I would have raised her well enough that she wouldn't dream of wearing such a "dress."
Well said! Exactly the point I was trying to make when I was saying that I have been raising my daughter with a good set of values - not forced, but just demonstrated by example and experience. Like I said in a previous post, she sometimes points out slutty clothes on TV before I even notice it.

Did I say I was teaching her sex is evil and disgusting? Or did you just assume that because I mentioned "Christian" values? Christianity, as I have understood it, does not condemn sex as evil, just sex outside of marriage. And it does not say sex is disgusting, either, anywhere in the Bible, but is best experienced in a committed relationship, i.e. marriage.
I apologize, I wasn't accusing you of anything. Just expressing a point, sorry if it looked that way. Also as far as christian values go I never assume that means any one thing. Reducing christianity to anyone viewpoint dismisses the diversity of opinions that it implies. Some strains of christian morality say sex is evil, others say sex is good.

I think the dress looks like sh*t and isn't even suitable for an inexpensive prostitute. But, I'd leave it up to my daughter to make the right choices.

Did I say I was teaching her sex is evil and disgusting? Or did you just assume that because I mentioned "Christian" values? Christianity, as I have understood it, does not condemn sex as evil, just sex outside of marriage. And it does not say sex is disgusting, either, anywhere in the Bible, but is best experienced in a committed relationship, i.e. marriage.

doesn't Jesus condemn fornication forty-some-odd times? I think thats a pretty big 'sex is bad message'.

But inside a marriage, its all good, according to the bible.

I'm a fifteen year old girl, and my mom lets me dress however I want. As it happens, I prefer modest clothing, which I'm sure is part of the reason it hasn't become a conflict.
However, the way a teenage girl dressed does not control her behavior-- A girl who dressed innapropriately still makes her own decisions when it comes to the actions, and visa versa. Making rules about what your daughter can and cannot wear may give you a false sense of control over her sexual actions, but in the end, the only thing you can do is keep the lines of communication open and honest.

You sound as if you've got a good head on your shoulders. However, the way a teenage girl dresses may not control her behavior, but it most assuredly has an impact on the behavior of teenage boys.

The object is not to control a daughter's sexual behavior, because that's a virtually impossible task anyway. The idea is to help your child understand the ramifications of her behavior and attitude so that she behaves responsibly regardless of the circumstances. If you, as a parent, can to that, you're miles ahead of the game.

I'm a fifteen year old girl, and my mom lets me dress however I want. As it happens, I prefer modest clothing, which I'm sure is part of the reason it hasn't become a conflict.
However, the way a teenage girl dressed does not control her behavior-- A girl who dressed innapropriately still makes her own decisions when it comes to the actions, and visa versa. Making rules about what your daughter can and cannot wear may give you a false sense of control over her sexual actions, but in the end, the only thing you can do is keep the lines of communication open and honest.
You are correct - it does not control your behavior. Well, it does to some extent. For example, studies have shown that people who dress in suits act more professionally than the same people in jeans and a T-shirt - but I digress. However, what you wear does affect the boys' behavior!!! I know - I was a teenage boy once, and, I'm ashamed to say, was not much more than a horndog in the presence of a reasonably good-looking girl who dressed slutty.

Good for you, my brother! Good for you! :D

Well, you know how it is. You can see my daughter, my angelic 6 year old, in the NS Pics thread. That is the girl I will always see. I don't even want to think about her in that dress.

Oh, sure, I know I will get the arguments later about, "Oh, Dad! I'm not a little girl anymore!"

Well ... fuck that. I will always look at her and see that same 6 year old sitting at the drum kit that I posted in the pics thread.

Anyone who doesn't understand doesn't have kids or is a kid themselves.

However, the way a teenage girl dresses may not control her behavior, but it most assuredly has an impact on the behavior of teenage boys.
Or as the Stoic philosopher Epictetus put it:
Know, first, who you are, and then adorn yourself accordingly.

[QUOTE=Eutrusca]You sound as if you've got a good head on your shoulders. However, the way a teenage girl dresses may not control her behavior, but it most assuredly has an impact on the behavior of teenage boys.
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I understand that girls who dress revealingly tend to attract the wrong kind of boys for the wrong reasons-- however, they're most certainly not powerless. They've got control over how relationships work.

If my child were 18+, I dont feel that it's productive for me to tell her what to wear, at that point, I should have taught her enough that she will either stand or fall on her fashion sense and propriety with regards to dressing.

If she was under 18, I would only prevent her if I believed the school wouldnt vet her on the way in, however most schools I expect would. So I would probably check she has her cell phone and tell her to ring txt me when she gets refused entry at the door, it will be no problem to bring her home to change since I will be waiting at the venue in anticipation of doing exactly that, but also that she should know once I take her back home to change, she'll need to make alternative arrangments to get back to the prom venue. If she goes anyway knowing she will make a total fool of herself, I'll just call it a lesson life is teaching her where I have somehow failed....

If I wasnt genuinely certain that the school would refuse her entry to the ball (as could be verified by ringing the school and finding out their policy), and she was under 18, I would insist that she could not wear the dress as is, and at the needs an opaque undergarment, or at the very least a semi-sheer undergarment that the dress is 'fixed to' to anchor it in place. If she still wants to wear it....best of luck to her in improving her fashion sense...but frankly I dont consider myself to be the style police.

doesn't Jesus condemn fornication forty-some-odd times? I think thats a pretty big 'sex is bad message'.

But inside a marriage, its all good, according to the bible.
Main Entry: for·ni·ca·tion
Pronunciation: "for-n&-'kA-sh&n
Function: noun
: consensual sexual intercourse between two persons not married to each other -- compare ADULTERY
As I said in my original post, sex outside marriage is condemned by the Bible, but sex itself is not condemned in the confines of marriage. How does that communicate that sex is bad? If anything, it shows how special it is, and should be treated as such.

I'm a fifteen year old girl, and my mom lets me dress however I want. As it happens, I prefer modest clothing, which I'm sure is part of the reason it hasn't become a conflict.

Huzzah! :)

However, the way a teenage girl dressed does not control her behavior-- A girl who dressed innapropriately still makes her own decisions when it comes to the actions, and visa versa. Making rules about what your daughter can and cannot wear may give you a false sense of control over her sexual actions, but in the end, the only thing you can do is keep the lines of communication open and honest.

I agree whole-heartedly ... but that dress is a little over the top, dontcha think? I have no illusion of control. I know my daughters may be like their mother - my wife snuck out of the house at 15 on many occasions just to see me when her parents forbade her from seeing me - but at least Gina was modest!

That dress just conjurs up roofie nightmares.

However, the way a teenage girl dressed does not control her behavior-- A girl who dressed innapropriately still makes her own decisions when it comes to the actions, and visa versa. Making rules about what your daughter can and cannot wear may give you a false sense of control over her sexual actions, but in the end, the only thing you can do is keep the lines of communication open and honest.

I agree - the girl who is forced to wear extremely conservative clothing, if she is strong-willed enough, will do and say what she will when the parents are not around. She would just have to work a bit harder to make it obvious that her clothes do not reflect her personality (and availability). It's kind of like when middle school age girls are first experimenting with makeup but mom says "not until you're in high school", so they just wait until school to put it on and then wash it off before they go home. Parents have to be open and firm about their wishes for their children in any regard, especially when they are going directly against popular culture. The child should be taught *why* it's inappropriate to wear that kind of thing (ie respecting your body), not just told that it's "bad". A sexually inhibited household will most likely produce one of the two extremes: a young adult who is so repressed they are intimidated by the other sex and confused and horrified by their bodily functions, or a young adult so intent on rebelling that they throw themselves at everything on two legs. I guess I'm arguing for moderation here.

I just graduated myself, after going to a school where there was no shortage of slutty girls. However, all the girls at the prom were wearing elegant ballroom-type gowns and the guys were all in tuxes. Even the most slutty of the sluts were well-covered for the occasion. I think that people understand that the prom is supposed to be a FORMAL occasion, and they dress as such. But, maybe it's just different here in Canada.

As to the dress? Disaster. I can't see it for 4.95, much less the real amount. And come on! You wear that dress to show off the wares. Anyone saying otherwise has their head in the sand.


'Course, I expect her to have better taste and more control over herself than would be implied by wearing that dress.

If I had a daughter I would allow her to wear that dress. See no reason not to. The dress itself is considerably less revealing than a bikini/two-piece swimsuit, and how many parents here don’t let their daughters wear them?

I rather like the dress anyway.

Well, you know how it is. You can see my daughter, my angelic 6 year old, in the NS Pics thread. That is the girl I will always see. I don't even want to think about her in that dress.

Oh, sure, I know I will get the arguments later about, "Oh, Dad! I'm not a little girl anymore!"

Well ... fuck that. I will always look at her and see that same 6 year old sitting at the drum kit that I posted in the pics thread.

Anyone who doesn't understand doesn't have kids or is a kid themselves.

I suspect you're correct. And I've seen the photograph of your daughter. She's a very lovely young girl. I wish only the very best for her. If she listens to her father, I suspect she will do well! :)

If I had a daughter I would allow her to wear that dress. See no reason not to. The dress itself is considerably less revealing than a bikini/two-piece swimsuit, and how many parents here don’t let their daughters wear them?

I rather like the dress anyway.

Speaking of......

I bought a new bikini today! WOOTWOOT!!!

I understand that girls who dress revealingly tend to attract the wrong kind of boys for the wrong reasons-- however, they're most certainly not powerless. They've got control over how relationships work.

The only thing in any relationship over which anyone has a degree of control is their own behavior. Think seriously about that, please.

The dress itself is considerably less revealing than a bikini/two-piece swimsuit, and how many parents here don’t let their daughters wear them?


Mine would go into shock if I wanted to wear a bikini. And then I'd be put under de facto house arrest. Luckily for them I prefer one-pieces or "tankinis", and hate swimming in general.

If my child were 18+, I dont feel that it's productive for me to tell her what to wear, at that point, I should have taught her enough that she will either stand or fall on her fashion sense and propriety with regards to dressing.

If she was under 18, I would only prevent her if I believed the school wouldnt vet her on the way in, however most schools I expect would. So I would probably check she has her cell phone and tell her to ring txt me when she gets refused entry at the door, it will be no problem to bring her home to change since I will be waiting at the venue in anticipation of doing exactly that, but also that she should know once I take her back home to change, she'll need to make alternative arrangments to get back to the prom venue. If she goes anyway knowing she will make a total fool of herself, I'll just call it a lesson life is teaching her where I have somehow failed....

If I wasnt genuinely certain that the school would refuse her entry to the ball (as could be verified by ringing the school and finding out their policy), and she was under 18, I would insist that she could not wear the dress as is, and at the needs an opaque undergarment, or at the very least a semi-sheer undergarment that the dress is 'fixed to' to anchor it in place. If she still wants to wear it....best of luck to her in improving her fashion sense...but frankly I dont consider myself to be the style police.

Why would you let the school set the standards? I tend to view that as a copout. :(

Double the width of the straps across the chest (which in itself isn't a whole lot) and I think that it would be appopriate to wear. That's not saying, though that I think it's necessarily attractive.

As a parent, you also need to give your children the freedom to make decisions you disagree with.
no i do not need to.

If you feel you need to do it, suit yourself.

:eek: WOW! I love that dress! Just...not on any daughter of mine. :D

Could my daughters wear that to the prom? Sure, just as soon as Hell freezes over. And if my son brought home a girl wearing something like that, I'd politely inform her that my son doesn't date hookers. At least not until he graduates from college. After that he's a big boy and he can make his own decisions.

Mine would go into shock if I wanted to wear a bikini. And then I'd be put under de facto house arrest. Luckily for them I prefer one-pieces or "tankinis", and hate swimming in general.

I’m not familiar with the term ‘tankinis’ but if they are what I’m thinking they are, then I’d still have to say that they’re probably more revealing of the feminine body than that dress.

If she listens to her father, I suspect she will do well! :)

Lol ... well ... I can only hope so ... I have no illusions that I am the perfect father. :D Hard to tell what 10 years will bring, though ... but still!

I agree - the girl who is forced to wear extremely conservative clothing, if she is strong-willed enough, will do and say what she will when the parents are not around. She would just have to work a bit harder to make it ...She would just have to work a bit harder to pay $495 :D

bikini/two-piece swimsuit, and how many parents here don’t let their daughters wear them?


Not on my watch, pal.

Speaking of......

I bought a new bikini today! WOOTWOOT!!!

Post a picture so we can approve! :D

I’m not familiar with the term ‘tankinis’ but if they are what I’m thinking they are, then I’d still have to say that they’re probably more revealing of the feminine body than that dress.

It's exactly like a one-piece, except that the top and bottom are separate pieces so you can buy them in different sizes (good for people like me, who don't seem to fit into the standard sizes). My mom always insists I get the most modest style, so there is no cleavage or the sort. Also, the straps can be wide instead of spaghetti-style, and the back is fairly high. That dress is incredibly more revealing than my swim suit. Plus the dress has all the sparkles and everything while mine is just...blue.

Could my daughters wear that to the prom? Sure, just as soon as Hell freezes over.good
And if my son brought home a girl wearing something like that, I'd politely inform her that my son doesn't date hookers.bad

Post a picture so we can approve! :D

ROFL!

And if my son brought home a girl wearing something like that, I'd politely inform her that my son doesn't date hookers.

Good for you not establishing the double standards!

I agree with this man right here ...

I expect my son to follow the same standard as my daughters.

I expect my son to follow the same standard as my daughters.

Not that I date, but if my parents were like that I’d kill myself.

The first picture, she'd never get out of the house. I'd deadbolt her door until she was 21.
Second picture, I'd have to think about it. What type of dress would be appropriate? I wore something more conservative, but slightly revealing. (strapless with tight bustier) I wouldn't want her to hurt her reputation by dressing a lot more scantily than her classmates. But if it were her senior prom, and she was fairly responsible, I might consider it.

Lol ... well ... I can only hope so ... I have no illusions that I am the perfect father. :D Hard to tell what 10 years will bring, though ... but still!

I think you underestimate yourself, my friend. For the young girl, the instruction and concern of a loving father can make all the difference. :)

Good for you not establishing the double standards!

I agree with this man right here ...

I expect my son to follow the same standard as my daughters.

Agreed. The days of the double-standard are long gone. If we expect our daughters be dressed relatively modestly, then there should be no "sowing of wild oats" among our sons.

ROFL!

Liked that, did ya? :D

Agreed. The days of the double-standard are long gone. If we expect our daughters be dressed relatively modestly, then there should be no "sowing of wild oats" among our sons.

No kiddin'! It's bad enough that we (men) get the short stick on so many societal rules ... no reason to make it harder on ourselves!

Of course of course, I'm not saying you should rule with an iron fist or anything. You at least have to say, thats an ugly ass dress and you shouldn't wear it.No it is not Ugly.

I don't think they'd allow someone into my school's prom in that. That's just like... no... besides, many young women complain about how freezing it is on prom night as it is.

If I was a father and my daughter intended on wearing that, I'd probably be like "You've got to be kidding me." Then, if she was under 18, I'd say something like "Once you're 18 it's your choice, but for now, that's just not ok. There are plenty of other dresses that would look pretty, and aren't completely ridiculous. Pick something else." If she was over 18, since at that point I'd really have no right to say she couldn't wear something, I'd say something like "You actually think they're going to let you in dressed like that?"

How could someone even move in that without their boobs popping out?

Oh my, I'd never wear a dress like the one in that article. I'd be far to afraid of something popping out. Heck, I'd be afraid to move in that thing. And anyway, the last thing I want to do is have a room full of people staring at my breasts just waiting for them to fall out. Maybe if I was rich and famous though... :)

No it is not Ugly.
You do realize fashion sense=opinion right? I think its ugly, and stated such. You can't just counter an opinion with "No"

No it is not Ugly.

Agreed. Adults just have no perception of what is fashionable, and immediately attack that which they do not understand.

You do realize fashion sense=opinion right?

Just like morals?

no i do not need to.

If you feel you need to do it, suit yourself.

I prefer to raise children who can think for themselves. There are boundaries of course, which change with age and maturity. In general, by the time they reach prom age, choice of clothing is their domain.

Why would you let the school set the standards? I tend to view that as a copout. :(
I wouldnt be letting the school set the standards.

I prefer to raise children who can think for themselves. There are boundaries of course, which change with age and maturity. In general, by the time they reach prom age, choice of clothing is their domain.

Yes. My own parents have raised me similarly. And I’m quite conservative. Don’t drink, never had sex etc.

Now that I'm not far off being legally classed as an adult, I have been granted many freedoms.

Oh and by the way, I think the dress is ugly anyway. I like the red color, but the white strands I could do without.

Agreed. Adults just have no perception of what is fashionable, and immediately attack that which they do not understand.

Oh for crying out loud!

Yes, you're correct. We have lived here all these years and didn't learn a damned thing. You are so much wiser just by virtue of being so young. Silly me. I should not only have listened to my children all those years, but should have simply accepted every short-sighted, immature, illogical, youthful thing they said as the gospel truth. Tsk! :headbang:

Agreed. Adults just have no perception of what is fashionable, and immediately attack that which they do not understand.
Define adult.... By many people's definition I am not, by others I am. Regardless, I think it is ugly. If my (future) daughter, or my younger sister tried to wear that I would make sure that they realized there is NO WAY IN HEAVEN OR HELL!!!!

Just like morals?
Morals aren't opinions, but they are relative. To suggest that any single moral is absolute is to deny alot of evidence to the contrary.

You do realize fashion sense=opinion right? I think its ugly, and stated such. You can't just counter an opinion with "No"The dress in not ugly.
and If I had a daughter, I would not lie to her.

Also I would not tell a son that if he masturbates he could become Blind...

Lies are not the way.

Oh for crying out loud!

Yes, you're correct. We have lived here all these years and didn't learn a damned thing. You are so much wiser just by virtue of being so young. Silly me. I should not only have listened to my children all those years, but should have simply accepted every short-sighted, immature, illogical, youthful thing they said as the gospel truth. Tsk!

Correct. Thanks for acknowledging this.

Agreed. Adults just have no perception of what is fashionable, and immediately attack that which they do not understand.
True, but as long as we live at our parents, we need to compromise.

Agreed. Adults just have no perception of what is fashionable, and immediately attack that which they do not understand.
Adult? I just turned 20, I'm not exactly over the hill. I happen to like slutty clothes on attractive people, I just think thats an ugly ass dress.

Morals aren't opinions, but they are relative. To suggest that any single moral is absolute is to deny alot of evidence to the contrary.

*Sigh.*

Most religions, like Christianity, relay on the fact that their morals/values are absolute. Whether they are or not.

I wouldnt be letting the school set the standards.

You did say this, yes? "If she was under 18, I would only prevent her if I believed the school wouldnt vet her on the way in, however most schools I expect would."

To my way of thinking, you're abdicating your role as a parent.

Man. That's just a fashion faux-pas no matter what way you look at it.

Adult? I just turned 20, I'm not exactly over the hill. I happen to like slutty clothes on attractive people, I just think thats an ugly ass dress.

Good for you. I’m not sure exactly how I would define ‘adult’ in relation to my post. I guess I was referring to… uh, nevermind. People who are considerably older than me and disagree with me. There, happy?

Adult? I just turned 20, I'm not exactly over the hill. I happen to like slutty clothes on attractive people, I just think thats an ugly ass dress.

"Over the hill." Hmm. Interesting choice of words.

At 20 you're an adult. The law says you're an adult. Chances are, your parents say you're an adult. And from the way you talk on here, I would have to say you're an adult.

However, if you think a dress like that is appropriate for a woman under 18 to wear, I may have to rethink my opinion.

The dress in not ugly.
and If I had a daughter, I would not lie to her.

Also I would not tell a son that if he masturbates he could become Blind...

Lies are not the way.
God I feel like Joan Rivers here, and that is starting to scare me. I'm not lying about anything. I don't care if the dress is slutty or not. I don't care if someone wants to wear it. I just think its ugly. It has nothing to do with masturbation. Its kind of odd that I need to say that :confused:

If anyone wore something like that the school would likely kick them out!

Absolutely! If that's the dress she wanted (and possibley if she was willing to pay for it herself), that's the dress she'd be wearing. The only condition would be that she take some Mace with her.

Correct. Thanks for acknowledging this.

:rolleyes:

God I feel like Joan Rivers here, and that is starting to scare me. I'm not lying about anything. I don't care if the dress is slutty or not. I don't care if someone wants to wear it. I just think its ugly. It has nothing to do with masturbation. Its kind of odd that I need to say that :confused:
Haha, I understand where you're coming from. The dress itself simply doesn't look good. The fact that her boobs are hanging out has nothing to do with the ugliness of the dress. I dunno where the masturbation point came from.

God I feel like Joan Rivers here, and that is starting to scare me. I'm not lying about anything. I don't care if the dress is slutty or not. I don't care if someone wants to wear it. I just think its ugly. It has nothing to do with masturbation. Its kind of odd that I need to say that :confused:

Joan Rivers! ROFLMAO!

If you look at it from the front (the first pic the model had it on backwards) its not that bad


the problem, i see, is that there are so few girls who actually have the body to wear that. Most wouldn't look good, except for a select few.

Oh for crying out loud!

Yes, you're correct. We have lived here all these years and didn't learn a damned thing. You are so much wiser just by virtue of being so young. Silly me. I should not only have listened to my children all those years, but should have simply accepted every short-sighted, immature, illogical, youthful thing they said as the gospel truth. Tsk! :headbang:

No, children are not infallible. But neither are their parents. It seems that as people grow older, they forget their own childhoods - or their memories exaggerate them. My father was a regular juvenile delinquent, quite honestly, and now he's so determined that I not fall down the same path that his parenting methods are completely overbearing and obtrusive. It's the whole "I'm right, you're wrong, I'm big, you're little" thing from Matilda (the movie, not the book). If they let their position of authority go to their heads, everything can become quite counterproductive. Parents are there to guide their children and teach them right from wrong, yes - not beat them over the heads with it, nor assume absolute moral supremacy.

"Over the hill." Hmm. Interesting choice of words.

At 20 you're an adult. The law says you're an adult. Chances are, your parents say you're an adult. And from the way you talk on here, I would have to say you're an adult.

However, if you think a dress like that is appropriate for a woman under 18 to wear, I may have to rethink my opinion.
I never said it was appropriate, I just said if other people want to wear those clothes they can. Also unless we are talking junior prom, alot of girls would already be over 18.

As with the adult thing, well the somewhat difficult to explain. Having someone say that you handled a situation in an adult manner is always good. But having someone actually call me an adult is still somewhat...odd. I'm not talking about legal defintions, those kind of things are pretty black and white. Its more an issue of conotation. Having someone say "Your an adult so you don't understand" is pretty weird at this age. I probably do understand, I just might disagree.

...God I feel like Joan Rivers here, and that is starting to scare me. I'm not lying about anything. I don't care if the dress is slutty or not. I don't care if someone wants to wear it. I just think its ugly. It has nothing to do with masturbation. Its kind of odd that I need to say that :confused:If you are not lying...then JRV is 100% rite!

...at certain age you lost sense of fashion.


http://store1.yimg.com/I/modernbridalshop_1827_4953578

why is that ugly :confused:

I’m not sure exactly how I would define ‘adult’ in relation to my post. People who are considerably older than me and disagree with me.

Correct. Thank you for agreeing with me on this. :D

The only thing in any relationship over which anyone has a degree of control is their own behavior. Think seriously about that, please.
I agree whole-heartedly. My point is mainly that parental restrictions will not determine the way a young woman behaves, ultimately. Common sense, personal values, and self respect will.
I have more independance and privilages than any of my friends, and in turn I do not lie to my mom, drink, smoke, do drugs, or date guys who are looking only for sex. When a teenager has the genuine trust of their parent I think they'll work to keep it.

No, children are not infallible. But neither are their parents. It seems that as people grow older, they forget their own childhoods - or their memories exaggerate them. My father was a regular juvenile delinquent, quite honestly, and now he's so determined that I not fall down the same path that his parenting methods are completely overbearing and obtrusive. It's the whole "I'm right, you're wrong, I'm big, you're little" thing from Matilda (the movie, not the book). If they let their position of authority go to their heads, everything can become quite counterproductive. Parents are there to guide their children and teach them right from wrong, yes - not beat them over the heads with it, nor assume absolute moral supremacy.

Yeah. Uhm. I was going to say something like that…

I agree whole-heartedly. My point is mainly that parental restrictions will not determine the way a young woman behaves, ultimately. Common sense, personal values, and self respect will.

I have more independance and privilages than any of my friends, and in turn I do not lie to my mom, drink, smoke, do drugs, or date guys who are looking only for sex. When a teenager has the genuine trust of their parent I think they'll work to keep it.

You are 100% correct, with few exceptions. You and your parent sound like very wise people. :)

Yeah. Uhm. I was going to say something like that…

Glad to be of help :cool:

My point is mainly that parental restrictions will not determine the way a young woman behaves, ultimately. Common sense, personal values, and self respect will.
I have more independance and privilages than any of my friends, and in turn I do not lie to my mom, drink, smoke, do drugs, or date guys who are looking only for sex. When a teenager has the genuine trust of their parent I think they'll work to keep it.

Yes. I agree.

If you are not lying...then JRV is 100% rite!

...at certain age you lost sense of fashion.



why is that ugly :confused:
lol my sense of fashion. I guess thats one of the gay super powers I never got huh? I feel kinda gypped. I can't explain why the dress is ugly anymore than to say I find it visually unapealing. It doesn't flatter a woman's curves. Add to that the fact that it really doesn't fit the bill as a prom dress.

why is that ugly :confused:

It isn't, IMHO. It just wouldn't look right on a teenaged girl, particularly if she was my daughter or grand-daughter.

You are 100% correct, with few exceptions. You and your parent sound like very wise people. :)
My mom's a single parent to me, and I think in a way, that helps. I'll pass along the compliment to her.

Having someone say "Your an adult so you don't understand" is pretty weird at this age. I probably do understand, I just might disagree.

Which puts you into the same boat as the one I'm paddling around in. Frightening, yes? LOL!

My mom's a single parent to me, and I think in a way, that helps. I'll pass along the compliment to her.

It very well may help. Two of my children were single parents for awhile, and I think it made them pay more attention to what was going on and to life in general.

You're certainly welcome to pass along that compliment to your mom. If she's like most single parents I've known, she will truly appreciate knowing that someone else thinks she's teaching you well. :)

I can't explain why the dress is ugly anymore than to say I find it visually unapealing. It doesn't flatter a woman's curves. Add to that the fact that it really doesn't fit the bill as a prom dress.

For what it's worth, I agree. But that doesn't mean I'm going to impose my taste on my children.

For what it's worth, I agree. But that doesn't mean I'm going to impose my taste on my children.

Argh! Why not???

To be honest, I don't necessarily like seeing young girls my age walking round in clothes like that. Though I believe that it is their choice and respect it. Parents should do the same. To a good extent, anyway.

I would let my daughter wear that dress if:

A. She could afford the $495, because there's no way that monstrousity is being paid for out of my wallet.

B. She had the body to pull it off.

C. Planned on moving out of my house immediately after prom.

Argh! Why not???

Because I bring them up to have a mind of their own. Part of that is allowing them to make decisions.

For what it's worth, I agree. But that doesn't mean I'm going to impose my taste on my children.
You don't have to impose anything, just make them think it was their decision. Or if all else fails, make fun of them. :D

I know I wouldn't have! And if their parents allowed one of my grand-daughters to wear one, I would threaten them with dire bodily harm!

http://www.nypost.com/style/39213.htm

Why would any parent want to allow a teenage girl to wear something like this? Hell, not many actresses out in Hollyweird wear things like this! Mutter, grumble, murmur! :headbang:
Oh hum.... So a few girls want to dress like sluts - and, may I ask why this surprised anyone? I mean, there is a very sexual-based culture down in the states, so, I don't see why this should be such a big deal given that there are equally as skimpy clothing items available for everyday wear...

I think people should be allowed to wear what they want, but that is not modest! Who think's these dresses up?? If I had a daughter I would not let them wear that, especially to prom. Most people I know only went to prom to get drunk, and/or laid. I didn't go, cause i had no $$. One question though, are prom dress designers men or women??

So a few girls want to dress like sluts

That ‘s’ word seriously annoys me. Who says they are dressed like '*****'? And what exactly defines a '****'? Does clothing have anything to do with it?

sure she could wear it . only if...
1. she listed porn star as her future career choice
2. her hobbies included date rape.
3. she was ready to get a punch card at the abortion clinic
4. if her idea of a good film was " Girls Gone Wild"
5. if i never raised her, and just sat around the house all day, drinking vodka in my nightgown, and cursing all three of my ex- husbands.

Because I bring them up to have a mind of their own. Part of that is allowing them to make decisions.what if "their own mind" tells her to have sex with old men.

You don't have to impose anything, just make them think it was their decision. Or if all else fails, make fun of them. :Dagain, its like spinning and lying

what if "their own mind" tells her to have sex with old men.

:confused: What does that have to do with anything?

That ‘s’ word seriously annoys me. Who says they are dressed like '*****'? And what exactly defines a '****'? Does clothing have anything to do with it?
Some would argue the amount of skin showing is directly proportional to the sexual activity taking place in a girl's life. So essentially dressing slutty=acting slutty.

I would let my daughter wear that dress if:

A. She could afford the $495, because there's no way that monstrousity is being paid for out of my wallet.

B. She had the body to pull it off.

C. Planned on moving out of my house immediately after prom.
A and C

what if "their own mind" tells her to have sex with old men.

How ‘old’ though? A boy could be ‘older’ by a few weeks or months…

again, its like spinning and lying
Its not lying! There is a difference between using psychology on kids and saying you can get AIDS from kissing. Remeber the South Park with Chinpokomon? The parents acted like the toys were cool and therefore the kids no longer wanted to play with them. Its reverse psychology.

A and C

I'm a firm believer in B as well. I think certain people shouldn't wear certain clothes. I'm never going to model Speedos, and I've accepted that. If you don't have an outstanding body, I think you need to resign yourself to the fact that you have no business wearing a dress like that.

Some would argue the amount of skin showing is directly proportional to the sexual activity taking place in a girl's life. So essentially dressing slutty=acting slutty.

Yes. But I don’t think that is a necessarily valid argument, and I’d rather not go in to why… :d

:confused: What does that have to do with anything?everything,

now will you answer the question?

Or if all else fails, make fun of them.

I presume you're joking, but that's one of the worst things you can do to your child.

Because I bring them up to have a mind of their own. Part of that is allowing them to make decisions.

This is true. However, making decisions must be learned like anything else. Parents should know their children well enough to recognize at what point they have the necessary skill and maturity to make what decisions.

Parents should also know that there are some decisions that can only be made when a young woman becomes an adult ... not based on maturity, but based upon the legal definition of "adult." This is one of them.

I don't want to go off on my "parents have abdicated their responsibilities" rant, but I suspect a great many allow their children to make decisions on things for which they are unprepared. This, IMHO, is one of them.

I would let my daughter wear that dress if:

A. She could afford the $495, because there's no way that monstrousity is being paid for out of my wallet.

B. She had the body to pull it off.

C. Planned on moving out of my house immediately after prom.
A and C

everything,

now will you answer the question?
Then you haven't done a very good job as a parent. If your whole plan was to have kid that was capable of critical thinking and then they randomly decide to fuck some methuselah, guess what you messed up.

everything,

now will you answer the question?

If she's old enough to have sex, she's old enough to choose her partner.

You still haven't said how your question relates to the current discussion.

I'm a firm believer in B as well. I think certain people shouldn't wear certain clothes. I'm never going to model Speedos, and I've accepted that. If you don't have an outstanding body, I think you need to resign yourself to the fact that you have no business wearing a dress like that.
some 13 years old girl could have the Body to wear JLOs Green Versase...

yet if she is my daughter...she is out of luck.

everything,

now will you answer the question?

If you have a teenaged daughter, you generally don’t want her to have sex with anyone. Age is irrelevant, really.

That ‘s’ word seriously annoys me. Who says they are dressed like '*****'? And what exactly defines a '****'? Does clothing have anything to do with it?

One word: J. Lo. ( or is that two? ) :confused:

Yes. But I don’t think that is a necessarily valid argument, and I’d rather not go in to why… :d
Sure, it's a generalization. It's not going to be true in every case. But you can't deny that a trend exists.

some 13 years old girl could have the Body to wear JLOs Green Versase...

yet if she is my daughter...she is out of luck.

Perhaps. And if my 13 year old daughter can meet criteria A and C as well, then she is welcome to wear that dress to her heart's content.

I don't want to go off on my "parents have abdicated their responsibilities" rant, but I suspect a great many allow their children to make decisions on things for which they are unprepared. This, IMHO, is one of them.

And, IMO, choice of prom dress is not one on which my child will be unprepared to make by the time she's 17.

Obviously you have less faith in young people than I do.

I don't want to go off on my "parents have abdicated their responsibilities" rant, but I suspect a great many allow their children to make decisions on things for which they are unprepared. This, IMHO, is one of them.

I'm not really familiar with the American prom scene, but aren't they generally for upper high school? If 18 is old enough to vote, then it should be old enough to choose whether or not to wear that dress.

I wouldn't let my child wear it, but when I was 17, I would loved to have gone to the prom with the girl who did. ;)

You did say this, yes? "If she was under 18, I would only prevent her if I believed the school wouldnt vet her on the way in, however most schools I expect would."

To my way of thinking, you're abdicating your role as a parent.
Then your way of thinking would definately benefit from an injection of logical reasoning.

Then you haven't done a very good job as a parent. If your whole plan was to have kid .Whew did I ever say I planned to have kids?

Then your way of thinking would definately benefit from an injection of logical reasoning.

lol!

And, IMO, choice of prom dress is not one on which my child will be unprepared to make by the time she's 17.

Obviously you have less faith in young people than I do.

Obviously you don't know me very well. :)

It's not a matter of age, it's a matter of maturity and experience. My ex and I raised our daughters to be relatively modest, and not allowing them to make a decison to wear something like the dress in question constitutes a lesson in modesty. My ex was very good at offering alternatives which were a bit more acceptable to she and I, and at working with the girls to find clothes which were acceptable to all parties.

Actually, I wish you the best of luck with teaching your child ( or children ) how to make informed choices by 17. It's not as easy as you might suppose, particularly if the child is intelligent and a bit headstrong.

Look, I don't like the dress, I think it's ugly, slutty, you name it. However, I have nothing to do with her decision in what she wears. It's totally up to her. I'd draw the line at lingerie, though (although this comes close!). If she wants to wear it, cool.

I'm not really familiar with the American prom scene, but aren't they generally for upper high school? If 18 is old enough to vote, then it should be old enough to choose whether or not to wear that dress.

I agree. 18 is the legal age to be considered an "adult." I would no more try to forbid my children from doing what they wanted after 18 than tell them they had to marry a particular person. If I have been unable to make an impression on them by then, I never will.

Then your way of thinking would definately benefit from an injection of logical reasoning.

I'm open to being shown where my reasoning is faulty. Kindly enlighten me.

Look, I don't like the dress, I think it's ugly, slutty, you name it. However, I have nothing to do with her decision in what she wears. It's totally up to her. I'd draw the line at lingerie, though (although this comes close!). If she wants to wear it, cool.

So, if I understand what you're saying, you have no problem with your child looking like a slut?

Actually, I wish you the best of luck with teaching your child ( or children ) how to make informed choices by 17. It's not as easy as you might suppose, particularly if the child is intelligent and a bit headstrong.

We didn't take on the job because it was easy. And an informed choice is very different from one that we agree with.

i wouldn't let my hypothetical daughter wear that for the simple reason that it's ugly.

if it weren't hideous and overpriced, then whatever, so long as she's not going to fall out of it. of course good luck making a dress in that style that isn't hideous.

i find it funny how everyone considers a girl dressed like that to be begging to get laid. some girls are comfortable with their bodies and want to show them off. just because a girl shows skin does not mean she wants sex.

I'm open to being shown where my reasoning is faulty. Kindly enlighten me.
I'll kindly do so if you will make your reasoning clear, my speculating on what leads you to such a conclusion, is exactly that, speculating, I am of the opinion that there is more than one route where by one may arrive at a faulty conclusion...

Whew did I ever say I planned to have kids?
I was trying to clarify what the other person said about raising a kid that can think critically.

I agree. 18 is the legal age to be considered an "adult." I would no more try to forbid my children from doing what they wanted after 18 than tell them they had to marry a particular person. If I have been unable to make an impression on them by then, I never will.

I agree on this point. After she's 18, there's nothing I could do about her wearing such a tasteless dress besides tell her that the school authorities wouldn't let her in. Well, I could kick her out of the house, but that's a bit extreme.

I wouldn't let my child wear it, but when I was 17, I would loved to have gone to the prom with the girl who did. ;)

As would I, and therein lies part of the problem ... part!

So, if I understand what you're saying, you have no problem with your child looking like a slut?

It seems you simply don't accept that other people think it's the child's decision at a certain point.

I'm 17 (18 in May). If I thought that dress was attractive, I know my parents would let me wear it. They'd bloody well make me pay for it, and they might suggest other dresses, but there's no way in hell they'd tell me I couldn't wear it. And if I did decide to wear it, it wouldn't be because I'm a 'slut'. It's because I like my body and like looking nice. If I wanted to be slutty, I wouldn't even bother with clothing. Any girl is capable of having lots of sex, even if you dress her in a potato sack.

And I hope everyone here who has referred to any girl who would wear that dress as a 'slut' is ashamed of themselves, because that sort of attitude is absolutely disgusting. Doubley so for everyone who said, essentially 'my daughter couldn't wear it, but any other woman is welcom to, so I may lust after them like a prat'. That's not only a double standard, it's a damn sickening one. It means that the girls who wear it are 'whores', but that they're expected to be. Way to be progressive.

Imagine how you would feel if your daughters (or mothers, or sisters) picked out a nice dress that they didn't think was too revealing, got themselves all made up and went out, feeling nice and getting a nice confidence boost, and then stumbled on a website where strangers labelled them whores and sluts for wearing a particular type of clothing? Maybe you'd feel differently if you actually had to worry about the emotions of someone you cared about, instead of being able to degrade and insult an unknown group of woman over the internet.

If anyone ever calls me a slut for what I wear, I will promptly tell them to shove it up their arse. I wear what I want because I like it, and because I like wearing things that make me feel pretty. If that involves showing cleavage, then that's what it involves. Anyone who doesn't like it can cover their eyes or stay the hell inside.


All that being said, I haven't the foggiest idea what 'prom age' is for Americans. Here it's 16-17-18, all ages I'd consider fair enough for that sort of dress. Any younger than that and I'd want a bit more fabric topside.

I'm also only talking about the second pictures (with front and back). The model wearing it backwards just looks ridiculous.

So, if I understand what you're saying, you have no problem with your child looking like a slut?

Why is looking like a {deleted} necessarily bad? People make it sound so evil, and that a girl who sleeps around is the devil. Like the men who sleep with her are vicitims of her erotica. And in many cases the females who 'dress like {deleted}' don't even actually qualify as {deleted}, in the sense that is suggested.

I was trying to clarify what the other person said about raising a kid that can think critically.
I see...thx.

It seems you simply don't accept that other people think it's the child's decision at a certain point.

Yes, I do. And in the case of a dress which looks like the one worn by the model in the original photo, that would be at age 18.

i find it funny how everyone considers a girl dressed like that to be begging to get laid. some girls are comfortable with their bodies and want to show them off. just because a girl shows skin does not mean she wants sex.

I find it disgusting more than funny. Not to mention personally insulting - I happen to like quite a few styles of clothing that show a lot of skin, and it has absolutely NOTHING to do with wanting to get sex. Not only am I slightly phobic about heavy clothing (they make me feel smothered), but it's also really hot here in summer, and I tend to faint if I overheat.

That so many people here would call a girl a 'slut' for showing a relatively small amount of skin is really disconcerting. I don't think they realise what a horrible thing that is to do to any girl.

I'm 17 (18 in May). If I thought that dress was attractive, I know my parents would let me wear it. They'd bloody well make me pay for it, and they might suggest other dresses, but there's no way in hell they'd tell me I couldn't wear it. And if I did decide to wear it, it wouldn't be because I'm a 'slut'. It's because I like my body and like looking nice. If I wanted to be slutty, I wouldn't even bother with clothing. Any girl is capable of having lots of sex, even if you dress her in a potato sack.

And I hope everyone here who has referred to any girl who would wear that dress as a 'slut' is ashamed of themselves, because that sort of attitude is absolutely disgusting. Doubley so for everyone who said, essentially 'my daughter couldn't wear it, but any other woman is welcom to, so I may lust after them like a prat'. That's not only a double standard, it's a damn sickening one. It means that the girls who wear it are 'whores', but that they're expected to be. Way to be progressive.

Imagine how you would feel if your daughters (or mothers, or sisters) picked out a nice dress that they didn't think was too revealing, got themselves all made up and went out, feeling nice and getting a nice confidence boost, and then stumbled on a website where strangers labelled them whores and sluts for wearing a particular type of clothing? Maybe you'd feel differently if you actually had to worry about the emotions of someone you cared about, instead of being able to degrade and insult an unknown group of woman over the internet.

If anyone ever calls me a slut for what I wear, I will promptly tell them to shove it up their arse. I wear what I want because I like it, and because I like wearing things that make me feel pretty. If that involves showing cleavage, then that's what it involves. Anyone who doesn't like it can cover their eyes or stay the hell inside.


All that being said, I haven't the foggiest idea what 'prom age' is for Americans. Here it's 16-17-18, all ages I'd consider fair enough for that sort of dress. Any younger than that and I'd want a bit more fabric topside.

I'm also only talking about the second pictures (with front and back). The model wearing it backwards just looks ridiculous.

Thanks for posting that! As a male, I wholeheartedly agree. It is what I have been trying to say from the start and really am incapable of putting it any better. (And that isn’t sarcasm.)

I'm also only talking about the second pictures (with front and back). The model wearing it backwards just looks ridiculous.

The original photo was the one with the model wearing the dress as two thin straps down the front, barely covering a portion of each breast. That dress is totally inappropriate for a girl under the age of 18, and no one will ever convince me otherwise.

I don't even use the word '{deleted}'. Not in my active vocabulary. Never have referred to a woman as a '{deleted}' and never will.

I find it disgusting more than funny. Not to mention personally insulting - I happen to like quite a few styles of clothing that show a lot of skin, and it has absolutely NOTHING to do with wanting to get sex. Not only am I slightly phobic about heavy clothing (they make me feel smothered), but it's also really hot here in summer, and I tend to faint if I overheat.

That so many people here would call a girl a 'slut' for showing a relatively small amount of skin is really disconcerting. I don't think they realise what a horrible thing that is to do to any girl.

I would never refer to any woman or girl as a "slut." The term was being used by some here in a generic sense in an attempt to add emphasis.

I would never refer to any woman or girl as a "slut." The term was being used by some here in a generic sense in an attempt to add emphasis.

Yeah. And it would be nice if they didn't.

I would never refer to any woman or girl as a "slut." The term was being used by some here in a generic sense in an attempt to add emphasis.

Including you. Post #190, I believe.

The original photo was the one with the model wearing the dress as two thin straps down the front, barely covering a portion of each breast. That dress is totally inappropriate for a girl under the age of 18, and no one will ever convince me otherwise.

Yes. That looked ridiculous. I maintain she has it on backwards, and that any girl wearing it to a prom would be wearing it the *correct* way. So whether or not the first picture looks bad is really a moot point, since that's not what girls wearing it to proms would look like.

I find it disgusting more than funny. Not to mention personally insulting - I happen to like quite a few styles of clothing that show a lot of skin, and it has absolutely NOTHING to do with wanting to get sex. Not only am I slightly phobic about heavy clothing (they make me feel smothered), but it's also really hot here in summer, and I tend to faint if I overheat.

That so many people here would call a girl a 'slut' for showing a relatively small amount of skin is really disconcerting. I don't think they realise what a horrible thing that is to do to any girl.
well, the term "funny" has many meanings in my vocabulary. this was more of the negative kind of funny in the way you mean... it's terribly stupid.

it seems that girls call each other that more than anything though. hell, i was walking down the street in the summer wearing a rather short jumper and some girl going the opposite direction crossed the street to avoid me and muttered slut as she dragged her bf with her. it is kinda funny in a sad kind of way...

it's like when i got a job on an assembly line and tehy gave me a blowtorck to work with. i got to play with fire. though i wasn't playing... i was working.

I would never refer to any woman or girl as a "slut." The term was being used by some here in a generic sense in an attempt to add emphasis.

So, if I understand what you're saying, you have no problem with your child looking like a slut?

Way to go Eutrusca

Including you. Post #190, I believe.

Yes, in direct response to this post:

Look, I don't like the dress, I think it's ugly, slutty, you name it. However, I have nothing to do with her decision in what she wears. It's totally up to her. I'd draw the line at lingerie, though (although this comes close!). If she wants to wear it, cool.

it's like when i got a job on an assembly line and tehy gave me a blowtorck to work with. i got to play with fire. though i wasn't playing... i was working.

See. Now that's funny.

I'm a firm believer in B as well. I think certain people shouldn't wear certain clothes. I'm never going to model Speedos, and I've accepted that. If you don't have an outstanding body, I think you need to resign yourself to the fact that you have no business wearing a dress like that.
oh, and there are guys who SHOULD model speedos?? no way! just say no to banana hammocks!!

..any girl wearing it to a prom would be wearing it the *correct* way....interesting.

what if some girls liked to wear it this way,
What if you future daugther want to wear it like this:

http://www.nypost.com/photos/stylelede01242005.jpg

Where are these other pictures of the dress being worn "properly"? All I'm getting are a bunch of ads.

If my daughter wants to wear that dress, fine by me.


As long as she doesn't put it on backwards :D

Way to go Eutrusca

If you choose to make the assumption that I was calling a particular girl or woman a slut, then there's little I can do about it. You have taken it out of the context in which it was made, i.e. in reply to the previous poster who indicated that it looked "slutty." As a matter of fact, as I recall, the poster who made that comment doesn't have a teenage daughter, or as far as I know, ANY daughter.

Without reference to a specific person, the term "slut," like the term "whore" is made in the abstract and this side-thread is therefore a non-issue.

...interesting.

what if some girls liked to wear it this way:

http://www.nypost.com/photos/stylelede01242005.jpg

Ha, is that the original photo?

Well, I'd think they're fools for wearing a dress backwards. Obviously. I wouldn't call them 'sluts' or 'whores' though, because that would make me much more of a sickening human being than they could ever be.

And dear lord, some of the people in this thread are acting like the sight of (OMG) cleavage is going to burn their eyes out.

Again, I ask them how they'd feel if someone called a girl close to their heart a 'whore' and a 'slut' for wearing something that they didn't consider too risque?

I notice a distinct lack of, you know, responses to that.

Again, I ask them how they'd feel if someone called a girl close to their heart a 'whore' and a 'slut' for wearing something that they didn't consider too risque?


I'll answer that. I'd probably break said person's face, regardless of whether or not my daughter deserved the term.

Well, I'd think they're fools for wearing a dress backwards.

The wearing backwards is deliberate.

If you choose to make the assumption that I was calling a particular girl or woman a slut, then there's little I can do about it. You have taken it out of the context in which it was made, i.e. in reply to the previous poster who indicated that it looked "slutty." As a matter of fact, as I recall, the poster who made that comment doesn't have a teenage daughter, or as far as I know, ANY daughter.

Without reference to a specific person, the term "slut," like the term "whore" is made in the abstract and this side-thread is therefore a non-issue.

You claimed you would never call ANY woman a 'slut' or a 'whore'. Whether in abstract or no, you implied that if a girl dresses 'sluttily' she is a 'slut'.

That IS, in fact, calling a girl a slut, no matter how you want to rationalise it. And... so what they don't have a teenage daughter? Does that mean I should just shut up and let you degrade young girls because I happen to BE a teenager instead of having one?

Whether the girl wearing it is a slut or not is beyond me... I have no idea.

I just happen to think it's an ugly dress (backwards and forwards).

Ha, is that the original photo?

Well, I'd think they're fools for wearing a dress backwards. Obviously. I wouldn't call them 'sluts' or 'whores' though, because that would make me much more of a sickening human being than they could ever be.

And dear lord, some of the people in this thread are acting like the sight of (OMG) cleavage is going to burn their eyes out.

Again, I ask them how they'd feel if someone called a girl close to their heart a 'whore' and a 'slut' for wearing something that they didn't consider too risque?

I notice a distinct lack of, you know, responses to that.

I did respond to it ... twice. Both times you apparently chose to ignore the post, something which apparently doesn't buttress your case and is therefore ignored.

Way to go, Shaed.

As a matter of fact, as I recall, the poster who made that comment doesn't have a teenage daughter, or as far as I know, ANY daughter.

Not sure how this is relevant. Is it okay for you to call Hypothetical-Daughter Girl a slut because you have or have had a teenage daughter? I have a teenage sister. Can I call young girls sluts as a result? I are confused.

You claimed you would never call ANY woman a 'slut' or a 'whore'. Whether in abstract or no, you implied that if a girl dresses 'sluttily' she is a 'slut'.

That IS, in fact, calling a girl a slut, no matter how you want to rationalise it. And... so what they don't have a teenage daughter? Does that mean I should just shut up and let you degrade young girls because I happen to BE a teenager instead of having one?

Name one person I have, as you state, "degraded." Just one name is all I ask.

There is a difference between saying a girl IS a slut and saying that she looks like one by dressing in that scantly piece of unsightly cloth (no pun intended). And no, I'm a liberal who believes in clothes that don't let my chest flop out for the world to see...

Further to my earlier post....
I'm open to being shown where my reasoning is faulty. Kindly enlighten me.
I'll kindly do so if you will make your reasoning clear....etc

There is a difference between saying a girl IS a slut and saying that she looks like one by dressing in that scantly piece of unsightly cloth (no pun intended). And no, I'm a liberal who believes in clothes that don't let my chest flop out for the world to see...


Hmn... *considers what Sdaeriji is doing...*

Good idea!!

*strips and burns everything but her Team Germany t-shirt*


Sorry. That amused me.:)

I did respond to it ... twice. Both times you apparently chose to ignore the post, something which apparently doesn't buttress your case and is therefore ignored.

Way to go, Shaed.

Excuse me? No where I can see have you posted what your response would be to someone calling your daughter a slut/whore for her choice in clothing.

If you have, feel free to quote and I'll stand corrected.

what if "their own mind" tells her to have sex with old men.

Still waiting to hear what you believe this has to do with the current discussion...

Further to my earlier post....

I'll kindly do so if you will make your reasoning clear....etc

Sigh. As I recall, you stated that you would permit your teenaged daughter ( if you had one ) to wear a dress like the one in the original photo unless the school prohibited it, in which case you would be allowing the school to decide what your daughter wears. Is that clear enough for you to understand now?

There is a difference between saying a girl IS a slut and saying that she looks like one by dressing in that scantly piece of unsightly cloth (no pun intended).

Most girls would take offence to being told they ‘look like a {explicit}’. It is quite hurtful and unnecessary.

And no, I'm a liberal who believes in clothes that don't let my chest flop out for the world to see...

Fine. That’s a matter of personal opinion, as somebody pointed out. Still doesn't mean you should disrespect the choice of some other girl for choosing to wear the dress in question.

Excuse me? No where I can see have you posted what your response would be to someone calling your daughter a slut/whore for her choice in clothing.

If you have, feel free to quote and I'll stand corrected.

You are correct about that. I did not respond to that exact portion of your post. To respond to it now, I would hope I could simply ignore them, unless they became aggressive about it, then ... I don't know. It's never happened.

Now, since I responded to an irrelevant question of yours, perhaps you can respond to a relevant one of mine: Name one person I have, as you state, "degraded." Just one name is all I ask.

Sigh. As I recall, you stated that you would permit your teenaged daughter ( if you had one ) to wear a dress like the one in the original photo unless the school prohibited it, in which case you would be allowing the school to decide what your daughter wears. Is that clear enough for you to understand now?

There's always the possibility that the original poster was simply being practical and that they weren't letting the school dictate standards of decency at all.

Sigh. As I recall, you stated that you would permit your teenaged daughter ( if you had one ) to wear a dress like the one in the original photo unless the school prohibited it, in which case you would be allowing the school to decide what your daughter wears. Is that clear enough for you to understand now?
The sighing and flamish 'is my previously unstated thinking now clear to you' melodramatics do nothing for your credibility.
As it happens the fault in your thinking is clear.
Specifically you are reasoning with an incorrect premise.
Indeed I did not state that I would permit my daughter to wear such a dress unless the school prohibited, in fact I stated I would only allow my under 18 year old daughter to wear such a dress if either the school did not permit it (and I had ascertained this for a fact), or if she wore a garment underneath that rendered the entire outfit appropriate.

Name one person I have, as you state, "degraded." Just one name is all I ask.

Didn't the article say that it was the latest rage for prom dresses? I'm sure the girls who wear the dress would not be very impressed with you saying they look like a slut.

There's always the possibility that the original poster was simply being practical and that they weren't letting the school dictate standards of decency at all.

Perhaps so.

Still waiting to hear what you believe this has to do with the current discussion...I already answered, it has everything to do.

need a detailed answer? you are lucky,Hammolopolis kindly provided you with that...
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8046149&postcount=173

not enough?
well...If you dont get it by now...I cant help you.

Name one person I have, as you state, "degraded." Just one name is all I ask.

She simply said that by suggesting a girl is ‘{explicit}’ for wearing a piece of clothing which you may consider inappropriate, you are in effect being degrading and hurtful to that girl and others like her. Your post was probably taken somewhat out of context. But you must appreciate the fact that sometimes it can be hard to know exactly what a person is saying online.

Didn't the article say that it was the latest rage for prom dresses? I'm sure the girls who wear the dress would not be very impressed with you saying they look like a slut.

Ah. But that's not what I said. Read the original post, please.

You are correct about that. I did not respond to that exact portion of your post. To respond to it now, I would hope I could simply ignore them, unless they became aggressive about it, then ... I don't know. It's never happened.

Now, since I responded to an irrelevant question of yours, perhaps you can respond to a relevant one of mine: Name one person I have, as you state, "degraded." Just one name is all I ask.

You seem to be under the misguided assumption that insulting in the abstract is not insulting.

That's not the case, so I can easily name one person. You've degraded ME by implying in that girls who dress 'sluttily' must be sluts. And since you think that dress is slutty, and a few items of clothing I wear are comparible to that dress, you obviously think I dress 'sluttily' and am thus a 'slut'.

You might not mean to insult, but the whole attitude of 'dressing a certain way = slut' is insulting and degrading to ANY girl who feels she should be able to dress in whatever manner makes her feel comfortable.

That being said, I'm actually directing more of my annoyance at the posters who DID directly refer to girls as sluts. They just don't seem to be replying. Funny that.

You're perhaps just catching flak because you started the thread, which isn't fair. This is just one of those topics that makes me rather more than 'annoyed'.

There's always the possibility that the original poster was simply being practical and that they weren't letting the school dictate standards of decency at all.
Actually I do believe my stance is practical, and doesnt constitute allowing the school to set standards of decency, but rather makes use of the school if the situation allows, as a tool to re-enforce and demonstrate the good sense behind the standards that I have set.
In any event it appears that Eutrusca's entire point with regards to my comments was based on a failure to correctly read and comprehend what I had typed.

I already answered, it has everything to do.

need a detailed answer? you are lucky,Hammolopolis kindly provided you with that...
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8046149&postcount=173

not enough?
well...If you dont get it by now...I cant help you.

You're right - you have no help to offer me.

Or are you planning on coming up with an argument that's more cogent that "I don't like it" or "one more woman that won't sleep with me"?

You're right - you have no help to offer me.

Or are you planning on coming up with an argument that's more cogent that "I don't like it" or "one more woman that won't sleep with me"?well I was not planning to sleep with you anyways, im totally booked:fluffle: ...so-sooory,betterlucknextime :D :D

In any event it appears that Eutrusca's entire point with regards to my comments was based on a failure to correctly read and comprehend what I had typed.

Yeah. I know that feeling.

She simply said that by suggesting a girl is ‘{explicit}’ for wearing a piece of clothing which you may consider inappropriate, you are in effect being degrading and hurtful to that girl and others like her. Your post was probably taken somewhat out of context. But you must appreciate the fact that sometimes it can be hard to know exactly what a person is saying online.

Very true. And if you know anything about me at all, you'll know that when I am proven wrong I will not only correct myself, but will apologize for being incorrect, something I have done several times on this Forum as well as in real life.

If you read my post carefully, as well as the post to which I was responding, you can see that I had no particular person in mind when I used the term "slut." Not only that, but I was far from being the first person to use it.

This altercation is a lose-lose propostion for me, and it's certainly not something I intended to get into. I do, however, stand by my statement that the dress, as worn in the original photograph, would be inappropriate for for any woman under the age of 18 to wear to the Prom, and particularly for any of my own daughters to wear.

If you will remember, I also stated that I had enough confidence in the way my ex and I raised our daughters to trust them to make decisions appropriate to their maturity level, and to make any decisions they wanted to make after they became adults at 18.

Where, in any of this, have I been at fault, or have "degraded" anyone? If you can point that out to me, I will correct the error and profusely apologize.

Ah. But that's not what I said. Read the original post, please.

Right. I did, again. Ex-Landia was talking about the dress being slutty, but that he would allow his daughter to wear it anyway. You then replied


So, if I understand what you're saying, you have no problem with your child looking like a slut?


How else am I supposed to read that? You're clearly using 'slut' in a derogatory fashion, and you're using it to describe someone wearing that dress.

You're also insulting the decision of anyone here who says they would allow their child to wear such a dress.

well I was not planning to sleep with you anyways, im totally booked:fluffle: ...so-sooory,betterlucknextime :D :D

So you don't have any better arguments then. Thought not...

You seem to be under the misguided assumption that insulting in the abstract is not insulting.

That's not the case, so I can easily name one person. You've degraded ME by implying in that girls who dress 'sluttily' must be sluts. And since you think that dress is slutty, and a few items of clothing I wear are comparible to that dress, you obviously think I dress 'sluttily' and am thus a 'slut'.

You might not mean to insult, but the whole attitude of 'dressing a certain way = slut' is insulting and degrading to ANY girl who feels she should be able to dress in whatever manner makes her feel comfortable.

That being said, I'm actually directing more of my annoyance at the posters who DID directly refer to girls as sluts. They just don't seem to be replying. Funny that.

You're perhaps just catching flak because you started the thread, which isn't fair. This is just one of those topics that makes me rather more than 'annoyed'.

Shaed. If I offended you in any way, I humbly apologize. Such was most assuredly not my intent. Please forgive me.