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Why do people hate the US?

We give more humanitarian aide than any other nation ever? The American people ar the first to respond when disaster happens. In 2003 we gave nearly 37% of all humanitarian aide the closest nation the Netherlands gave 12% of all humanitarian aide.

Why do people hate the US for trying to spread democracy around the world?
Why do people hate the US for dying at their expense?
Since when was America an evil nation?

PS-Please give a responsible and honest reply. No random posts please.

Why do people hate the US?

We give more humanitarian aide than any other nation ever? The American people ar the first to respond when disaster happens. In 2003 we gave nearly 37% of all humanitarian aide the closest nation the Netherlands gave 12% of all humanitarian aide.

Why do people hate the US for trying to spread democracy around the world?
Why do people hate the US for dying at their expense?
Since when was America an evil nation?

PS-Please give a responsible and honest reply. No random posts please.
ENVY!

As somebody who pays tribute to the US government and is therefore a citizen: who the hell cares? Politicians in other countries hate the US because the polticians running the US into the ground are assholes. They're also thieves, extortionists, and racketeers on a scale that would make Al Capone and John Gotti looks like schoolyard bullies.

On a world wide view, America is seen as a bully. Iraq is seen as a selfish attempt for oil or whatever you like but not to rid the world of Saddam or save the suffering Iraqi people. Your president is seen as a "shoot first, ask questions later" leader and you are percieved to think you are superior to other countries and that they should adapt more of your culture into theirs. Not my views but here is mine. I dislike the US for how it has handled relations with Canada, from BSE to soft wood lumber. I will blame part of it on Jean Chretien but I also look at the Republican majority in the Senate and Congress and they have the Presidency and shudder. They don't want much to do with us and don't think they need us.

I don't hate the US, but...

The US does not spread democracy, they spread Pro-American governments, so we are viewed as imperialistic. People are quick to ignore the positive aspects of something in their rush to expose the negative. Our government is no more opportunistic than any other nation, its just that our actions affect more people and more nations, and much of the world only sees the way in which we are deficient.

Why do people hate the US?

Honestly, you need look no further than your governments current foreign policy. That pretty much sums it up.

your beer sucks.

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Plus they hate our freedom.

Let's not forget that current American rock musicians wouldn't know heavy metal if it were to fall from the sky and crush them. If you don't believe me, I present Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park, and Metallica as evidence that American "metal" is garbage.

Let's not forget that current American rock musicians wouldn't know heavy metal if it were to fall from the sky and crush them. If you don't believe me, I present Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park, and Metallica as evidence that American "metal" is garbage.
Hey, old Metallica rocked. They seem to have misplaced their balls lately.

Most countries don't like the idea of having American style democracy forced onto them. If they get there all well and good, but its not up to your or any other government to tell them what type of government they should have.

We give more humanitarian aide than any other nation ever? The American people ar the first to respond when disaster happens. In 2003 we gave nearly 37% of all humanitarian aide the closest nation the Netherlands gave 12% of all humanitarian aide.

Why do people hate the US for trying to spread democracy around the world?
Why do people hate the US for dying at their expense?
Since when was America an evil nation?

PS-Please give a responsible and honest reply. No random posts please.
Regarding the humanitarian aid, since the U.S. is the richest nation that has ever existed, my question is, what proportion of the Gross National Product is spent on humanitarian aid? I know it's nowhere near that of the Netherlands, as the Netherlands has an economy much much less than a third of the U.S.A., and yet gave a third as much as the U.S.A
Regarding the spreading of democracy, some people don't want American-style, bipartisan, corporation-and-special-interest-group-controlled democracy in their countries. There are political observers who see the U.S political system as being barely democratic by objective standards, implying a degree of hypocrisy in the U.S. in attempting to impose upon others something it doesn't have itself.
Regarding the dying, on occasion U.S. citizens have died on behalf of countries that didn't want them to (the Vietnamese democratically elected a Communist government before the Vietnam war, see http://www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/database/article_display.cfm?HHID=517, and some Iraqis seem to be upset that the U.S. started a war with, and is continuing an occupation of, their country).
I think the U.S. is a great country in many ways, but as it's the top dog in the military, economic, and cultural spheres, it has higher standards to live up to than, say, Upper Volta, where they're dirt poor and barely surviving.
I hope you consider this responsible and honest.

Regarding the humanitarian aid, since the U.S. is the richest nation that has ever existed, my question is, what proportion of the Gross National Product is spent on humanitarian aid? I know it's nowhere near that of the Netherlands, as the Netherlands has an economy much much less than a third of the U.S.A., and yet gave a third as much as the U.S.A
Regarding the spreading of democracy, some people don't want American-style, bipartisan, corporation-and-special-interest-group-controlled democracy in their countries. There are political observers who see the U.S political system as being barely democratic by objective standards, implying a degree of hypocrisy in the U.S. in attempting to impose upon others something it doesn't have itself.
Regarding the dying, on occasion U.S. citizens have died on behalf of countries that didn't want them to (the Vietnamese democratically elected a Communist government before the Vietnam war, see http://www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/database/article_display.cfm?HHID=517, and some Iraqis seem to be upset that the U.S. started a war with, and is continuing an occupation of, their country).
I think the U.S. is a great country in many ways, but as it's the top dog in the military, economic, and cultural spheres, it has higher standards to live up to than, say, Upper Volta, where they're dirt poor and barely surviving.
I hope you consider this responsible and honest.
Just a thought, perhaps you could consider our military spending part of our humanitarian aid. After all, we use military assets to help disaster stricken nations, and US military might did keep the soviets at bay.

Just a thought, perhaps you could consider our military spending part of our humanitarian aid. After all, we use military assets to help disaster stricken nations, and US military might did keep the soviets at bay.
Helped keep the Soviets at bay.
Military spending doesn't help humanity, so how can it be classified as humanitarian aid?

Because they have to hate SOMEBODY. So they start at the top with the US and its little sidekick, Israel.

Actually I will give them credit on this: Only Japan promised more aid and the European nations seem to be pretty scant with theirs, like Germany and France. And it's "helped", since last time I checked, the Soviet Juggernaut wasn't doing too well a.k.a. it does not exist anymore.

your beer sucks.

Tut tut! You haven't tried them all.

I know of one brand that won awards in Germany! ;)

Just a thought, perhaps you could consider our military spending part of our humanitarian aid. After all, we use military assets to help disaster stricken nations, and US military might did keep the soviets at bay.
But then it gets woolly, because some of the activities involving military spending are reasons the U.S. is hated.
I agree, the U.S. does good stuff around the world. Problem is, it also does bad stuff around the world. The tricky part about being the only superpower (or "hyperpower" if you will) is that all of the actions of the U.S. government have large effects, for good or bad. Gulliver was not that popular in the land of the Lilliputians.

Why do people hate the US?

We give more humanitarian aide than any other nation ever? The American people ar the first to respond when disaster happens. In 2003 we gave nearly 37% of all humanitarian aide the closest nation the Netherlands gave 12% of all humanitarian aide.

Why do people hate the US for trying to spread democracy around the world?
Why do people hate the US for dying at their expense?
Since when was America an evil nation?

PS-Please give a responsible and honest reply. No random posts please.

Wow, my first post, Woohoo! I'm certain there's a forum for intros around here, but who knows.

Anyway, on topic: They don't hate the US for trying to spread democracy around the world. They hate the US because it always tries to tell them what to do.

They don't hate the US for dying at their expense. They hate the US because the US is the self-appointed "world police", when nobody wants them to be.

Some smaller countries consider all the commercialism to be evil, I guess.

Helped keep the Soviets at bay.
Military spending doesn't help humanity, so how can it be classified as humanitarian aid?
According to what I read two carrier battlegroups are being dispatched to the tsunami area to treat the sick and wounded and provide food and drinking water.

Let's say Liberal and Centrist are two points apart, and that Centrist and Conservative are two points apart, making Liberal and Conservative four points apart. The USA leans one point Conservative as compared to the rest of the planet. America's liberals are too centrist and their conservatives too extreme. This is what pisses off liberal countries like those in Europe. (I'm not saying you're liberal, but you are compared to us in the states.)
The conservative nations abroad are the people that have a religious war with America or are suffering an American embargo. Either way, that would piss people off.
As for those who are closest to America in political idealogy are too small and quiet to make any difference. Except for Britain, and they've been getting crap about being the American sock puppet or political whore or other such titles.
In short, it's all politics.

The US does not spread democracy, they spread Pro-American governments, so we are viewed as imperialistic.
yes

I love America. I've been there on several occasions, to different areas. It's a beautiful and interesting continent. I like Americans. I've met thousands and some of my best customers are Americans. But...

Man you are arrogant sons of bitches on the whole. I apologise for the choice of words, but Dear God when you get outside the borders of your precious nation so many of you turn into arrogant, prideful tossers it really irks me to the point where my fists physically itch. The belief that America is right on every topic by default. The belief that the American corporate system is the only viable economic system. The belief that American productivity outweighs everywhere else. The belief that America alone won the 2nd World War. The belief that America has the freedom and the right to rewqrite history as and when it wishes without thought to fact.

...The only people worse for this are the English...

It's not that the people of the world hate America. Far from it. We love your cheesy sitcoms and your scantily clad teen sirens. We love your rejected dog food burgers and your expensive, poorly acted action films. Heck, we even like your kookie corruption of the language the English gave you, and don't mind that you drive on the pavement.

The only thing the world really seems to hate about America is the one thing it's missing...

Humility.

:)

Don't fret precious I'm here, step away from the window
Go back to sleep

Lay your head down child
I won't let the boogeyman come

Counting bodies like sheep
To the rhythm of the war drums

Pay no mind to the rabble
Pay no mind to the rabble

Head down, go to sleep
To the rhythm of the war drums

Pay no mind what other voices say
They don't care about you, like I do, like I do
Safe from pain and truth and choice and other poison devils,
See, they don't give a fuck about you, like I do.

Just stay with me, safe and ignorant,
Go back to sleep
Go back to sleep

Lay your head down child
I won't let the boogeyman come
Count the bodies like sheep
To the rhythm of the war drums

Pay no mind to the rabble
Pay no mind to the rabble

Head down, go to sleep to the rhythm of the war drums

I'll be the one to protect you from
Your enemies and all your demons

I'll be the one to protect you from
A will to survive and a voice of reason

I'll be the one to protect you from
Your enemies and your choices son
They're one in the same
I must isolate you
Isolate and save you from yourself

Swayin to the rhythm of the new world order and
Count the bodies like sheep to the rhythm of the war drums

The boogeymen are coming
The boogeymen are coming

Keep your head down, go to sleep, to the rhythm of the war drums

Stay with me
Safe and ignorant
Just stay with me
Hold you and protect you from the other ones
The evil ones
Don't love you son,
Go back to sleep

Let's not forget that current American rock musicians wouldn't know heavy metal if it were to fall from the sky and crush them. If you don't believe me, I present Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park, and Metallica as evidence that American "metal" is garbage.

You are correct with the first two, but I'm going to bomb you for speaking ill of Metallica. You are WRONG!

hehe

Belperia

If that's the case, then why doesn't everyone hate France (responding to your last sentence)?

oh, wait... they already do (have spoken to folks in Italy and according to them the French are the leeast popular of european nations, to other europeans)

hehe

cuz we interfere with almost EVERYTHING. sometimes good, sometimes bad. sometimes when people want us too, sometimes not.

also, we have cheap gas compared to lots of other countries so we don't have to drive retarded mini cars. this goes along with envy i guess, we have lots of money and water and food and video games and xboxes and good movies and we can vacation to almost any climate without leaving the country and don't REALLY need to learn any other language.

we like...kinda don't really do too much about environmental stuff (evil bush), which affects the rest of the world

According to what I read two carrier battlegroups are being dispatched to the tsunami area to treat the sick and wounded and provide food and drinking water.
That doesn't make it humanitarian aid, it merely means that that equipment is being used to assist the transportation and delivery of said aid.
Also, many other countries have naval groups in the area assisting in the effort, but we just don't go on about it.

"They hate the US because the US is the self-appointed "world police", when nobody wants them to be."

Have you asked the oppressed Iraqis if they wanted us to take out Saddam? I bet most of them (the silent majority, call it) are happy we're there.

"They hate the US because the US is the self-appointed "world police", when nobody wants them to be."

Have you asked the oppressed Iraqis if they wanted us to take out Saddam? I bet most of them (the silent majority, call it) are happy we're there.
You know what? The number of Iraqis that brave the voting will be a good indication of that. I know most Iraqis probably wanted Saddam out, but I doubt very much whether they wanted him out at the expense of the USA "shock and awe" tactics, the daily destruction of their streets because of US, al Qaeda, and other militant group activities.

The only losers so far are civilians. What do they win by turning out to vote?

Then theres the way you "give" humanitarian aid....

last i checked the american non-profit (by the way, how much does a leader of a US humanitarian group earn a year?) organisations have a policy of "we will help, but you gotta do it our way...." in other words "our way, or the highway"

Sure its good to get kids who work at a garbage dump into school, but when his family is dependent on his earnings not to starve to death.... and youre "humanitarian" group says he has got to quit working so he is allowed to go to school........which would you choose....

thats another thing...... (acording to Rage Against the Machine) you guys had 55million homeless in 97.. why dont you concentrate on yourself.... before you start "helping" people who have not asked for it...

I mean in what sort of country is a word for peace-loving pacifists a derogatory term (hippie)?? ( bye the bye, on youre gun policies, if only outlaws had guns, only outlaws would accidentally shoot theyre children)

on a personal note: I did not ask youre Macdonalds to set up shop here, I did not ask for rude, abrasive, obese, arrogant and overbearing americans to come on holiday to my home city every summer.... im getting sick of it...

take an objective look in the mirror for (insert appropriate deity here) sake....

Stay with me
Safe and ignorant
Just stay with me
Hold you and protect you from the other ones
The evil ones
Don't love you son,
Go back to sleep
APC rocks. That is not even the best song on the album. "The Outsider"

The Iraqis say that they are happy saddam is gone but that the chaos and insecurity in the streets is terrible and that it was better before on that aspect.


Now, if some special force had taken out saddam and left the country, what could happen? Maybe some other crazy leader, yes, but it wouldn't involve the death of thousands of civilians...

"They hate the US because the US is the self-appointed "world police", when nobody wants them to be."

Have you asked the oppressed Iraqis if they wanted us to take out Saddam? I bet most of them (the silent majority, call it) are happy we're there.

Saddam is out.
You're not.
Simple.

Tut tut! You haven't tried them all.

I know of one brand that won awards in Germany! ;)

Okay, but you know that was a fluke..lol :D

usa has too many loudmouths such as government and certain news/celebrities, their ignorant statements often go unchallenged.

it is annoying, occurs often, and can cause all the good to be overlooked.

((I'm not saying this is fact, it's just a perception))

I just found this:
http://www.globalissues.org/TradeRelated/Debt/USAid.asp
which says, among other things, that the U.S. gave 0.14% of its GNP (Gross National Product) in ODA (Official Development Assistance) in 2003. That should be compared to a commitment at the Earth summit in Rio in '92 to give 0.7% (i.e. 5 times as much), though to be fair, most rich nations are also missing this target, including my own, the U.K. (we gave 0.34%).
Basically, we're too damn rich, and a lot of places are too damn poor. If we can't give $1 for every $100 we make, we're just greedy. I include the whole industrialised West in this statement, as even Norway, top of the ranking, only gives 0.92% (Denmark used to give over 1%, but has since dropped back).

I don't think many people care about how much aid the us gives, if they gave a lot it would be ignored, if they gave nothing it would just be another excuse to put them down.

You are correct with the first two, but I'm going to bomb you for speaking ill of Metallica. You are WRONG!

hehe
metallica are motorhead wannabes.

I hate these threads, it's not that people hate all of us, that I believe is uncommon, the problem is that people from the US and foreign countries get misrepresented by minorities of people who are uneducated, or just arrogant. It's nothing old really, the US government has always been subject of complaints, either for being isolationist like in the first half of the last century, or for it interfering too much like it is now. And with the differences between the US's beliefs and Europe's, it was bound have tension in politics, because we don't have a common enemy of Soviet Russia anymore.

APC rocks. That is not even the best song on the album. "A Stranger"
a perfect circle? they butchered imagine. :(

We give more humanitarian aide than any other nation ever? The American people ar the first to respond when disaster happens. In 2003 we gave nearly 37% of all humanitarian aide the closest nation the Netherlands gave 12% of all humanitarian aide that is untrue .The United States are giving 0.12% of their GDP for humanitarian aide , whereas Europeans give about 0.35% , and Japoneses even more....

Why do people hate the US for trying to spread democracy around the world?
Why do people hate the US for dying at their expense?
Since when was America an evil nation? because you're doing like my mother did :D you decide what's good for people , and what's not ; you implement that in THEIR lives , and then , you discover that they may have a different point of view...if you want to being loved , listen them and make what they thing it's good for , not what YOU thing it's good for....

And , I wanna add : " are you really sure that you are spreading the democracy .... just because you are saying you want to spread democracy?" please , don't mix up what you want and what it is .

I don't think many people care about how much aid the us gives, if they gave a lot it would be ignored, if they gave nothing it would just be another excuse to put them down.

The USA has the largest economy in the history of mankind.. so, this shouldn't surprise any one. I think it would if it wasn't the case.

However per capita, the USA in fact doesn't give the most aid in the world. Sure they give the most, but not the most per capita. The US gives about 0.2% of their GDP... many countries give much more than the US % wise to their GDP.

Why do people hate the US?
Cause we're all pinko, tree hugging, hippy, communists. Who don't believe in the freedom to worship the US. :p

It's not just about poverty. It's the lack of respect for the whole world. Your government does anything for profit, even if it means fucking up the planet.

Look at the Kyoto Protocol. Using the "but they aren't gonna sign it either" excuse just shows the stupidity of the capitalist right wingers that run your country. It is our duty as humans to keep the planet that WE live in actually liveable.
The US, as the powerful country they are, should set the example and help enforce such treaty on other countries. Our environment is much more important than any other economical, religious or patriotic struggle.

But the power and money seems to cloud the minds of world leaders...

on a personal note: I did not ask youre Macdonalds to set up shop here

ok, it is MCdonald's not MACdonalds, get it right. pronounced MICK not MACK. jeez...at least spell it right. also, no one forces to buy mcdonald's food. and if no one in england like mcdonald's,there wouldn't be very many, cuz it would not be profitable.

Cause we're all pinko, tree hugging, hippy, communists. Who don't believe in the freedom to worship the US. :p

Well yeah, that too..lol :D

Well yeah, that too..lol :D
Let's go forward boldly together comrades. For the opressed workers in the US. For the socialist world revolution!!!! (http://viadrina.euv-frankfurt-o.de/~juso-hsg/lieder/mp3/inter_de.mp3)
LONG LIVE THE SOVIET EMPI.....uuum the workers republic (http://www.funet.fi/pub/culture/russian//lyrics/political/sovnat1.wav)

It's not just about poverty. It's the lack of respect for the whole world. Your government does anything for profit, even if it means fucking up the planet.

Look at the Kyoto Protocol. Using the "but they aren't gonna sign it either" excuse just shows the stupidity of the capitalist right wingers that run your country. It is our duty as humans to keep the planet that WE live in actually liveable.
The US, as the powerful country they are, should set the example and help enforce such treaty on other countries. Our environment is much more important than any other economical, religious or patriotic struggle.

But the power and money seems to cloud the minds of world leaders...
Kyoto was an anti-american attack scheme trying to penalize America while allowing countries that pollute ten times as much as the US to go unpunished. Kyoto is garbage.

"They hate the US because the US is the self-appointed "world police", when nobody wants them to be."

Have you asked the oppressed Iraqis if they wanted us to take out Saddam? I bet most of them (the silent majority, call it) are happy we're there.

yeah car bombs are always a great way to say "Hey! Thanks for the help!!" I know thats "terrorist" The US is a self proclaimed world police, I mean seriously last year we were in 5 different countries tring to do things that had no or little concern with us. I have freinds in the military who say they have no idea why they were in Iraq anymore. Obviousy these people didnt want our help or we wouldnt keep losing men and women to hundreds of suicidal bombers. No originally i somewhat supported the hunt for Bin Laden... Speaking of which where is he!?!? Oh i get it the American Government figured they dont want to/cant find him, so hey lets make up some bogus bullshit about Iraq having "Weapons of Mass Destruction" hmmmm must have hid those really well. Oh well couldnt find those, let uproot their lives by pounding there little country into dust, arresting their leader and forcing our ways upon them. That makes pefectly good sense. Also the American people are THE MOST ARROGANT PEOPLE EVER!!! Even my own family, i hate it. Ihave a veitnamese freind who barly speaks a word of english, and ever time he comes over , my mom or my brother will make fun of him " Hey chink why dont u learn english if ur gonna live here" we are they gonna learn veitnamese if they move there? sure eventually but they damn sure arnt gonna learn it right away, or at a mexican restaruant, i never go out with my family, they are to culturly shallow, im atheist i dont judge people by what they beleive i embace it i love to learn about other peoples cultures/religions, i have even learned a language just to hear about where these people were from.. I am an Anti-American American.

Kyoto was an anti-american attack scheme trying to penalize America while allowing countries that pollute ten times as much as the US to go unpunished. Kyoto is garbage.
Speaking of 'are you kidding me'...where did you get that from?

Kyoto was an anti-american attack scheme trying to penalize America while allowing countries that pollute ten times as much as the US to go unpunished. Kyoto is garbage.
You've just answered why everyone hates the US. It's always "but they're against me" rather than looking at the bigger picture.

You've just answered why everyone hates the US. It's always "but they're against me" rather than looking at the bigger picture.
There is a bigger picture outside of what the US wants? You unpatriotic terrorist sympathizer!!!! Why don't you move to the middle east!!!! :p

As someone from outside America, it seems that the US is very much selfish & inward looking. The US tends to do what it wants & bugger the consequences for the rest of the world, eg Kyoto, emissions & fuel efficiency of vehicles, bypassing the UN to invade Iraq. Just because petrol is cheap, it doesn't mean you should waste it. I don't hate America or Americans, but I think it would help if you looked outside yourselves & did a bit of critical self-analysis.

I was bored and did some calculations regarding donations in the recent tsunami disaster:

Population GDP (US$) PCGDP (US$) Donation (US$) PCGDP Donated (%)
China 1298847624 6.449E+12 5000 60500000 0.000931595
Germany 82424609 2.271E+12 27600 27000000 0.001186855
United States 293027571 1.099E+13 37800 350000000 0.003159859
France 60424213 1.661E+12 27600 57000000 0.003417864
Australia 19913144 5.714E+11 29000 27000000 0.004675477
United Kingdom 60270708 1.666E+12 27700 95000000 0.005690331
Spain 40280780 8.855E+11 22000 68000000 0.007673409
Japan 127333002 3.582E+12 28200 500000000 0.013924510
Sweden 8986400 2.383E+11 26800 75500000 0.031349196
PCGDP Donated (%) = Donation (US$) / Population / PCGDP (US$) * 100

PCGDP is per capita GDP. Some of the donation numbers may be off a bit; I found many conflicting reports as to how much some countries donated, and some of the amounts have changed from when I last checked. I got the populations and GDPs from the CIA Factbook (http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/index.html).

As you can see, the US may donate a lot of money, but the relative donation (taking the GDP into account) is small. This is why some people hate the US. Sure, we may donate a lot of money, but on the generosity scale, we are ranked low (it's quite easy for us to give the money we do).

Hey i loved there version, its moodier of Imagine. i mean you cant listen to happy songs allll the time. Have you heard there cover (it might have been Tool same singer) of Love Song by The Cure?

Just because petrol is cheap, it doesn't mean you should waste it.
CHEAP????? It's almost $2 a gallon!!! (a gallon is around 4 litres)

CHEAP????? It's almost $2 a gallon!!! (a gallon is around 4 litres)
uhm. yes. cheap!

uhm. yes. cheap!
I forgot to add the :p .

Let's go forward boldly together comrades. For the opressed workers in the US. For the socialist world revolution!!!! (http://viadrina.euv-frankfurt-o.de/~juso-hsg/lieder/mp3/inter_de.mp3)
LONG LIVE THE SOVIET EMPI.....uuum the workers republic (http://www.funet.fi/pub/culture/russian//lyrics/political/sovnat1.wav)


LOL :p :p :p

I forgot to add the :p .
woops.

Let's go forward boldly together comrades. For the opressed workers in the US. For the socialist world revolution!!!! (http://viadrina.euv-frankfurt-o.de/~juso-hsg/lieder/mp3/inter_de.mp3)
LONG LIVE THE SOVIET EMPI.....uuum the workers republic (http://www.funet.fi/pub/culture/russian//lyrics/political/sovnat1.wav)



Lets not and say we did.

As you can see, the US may donate a lot of money, but the relative donation (taking the GDP into account) is small. This is why some people hate the US.
Great stats you got there. Nice one. :)

To leap surprisingly to America's defence (and I've stated this before) but why should be expect America to show extensive generosity? For sure, there are areas damaged that if not actually having al Qaeda cells, certainly harbour extremist views and maybe even potential terrorists. Yes, we expect America to send aid to show it's respect and it's shock at this terrible event. But should we expect America to be more generous than any other country when so many of complain that we don't want those same Americans policing the globe and wearing the biggest boots?

Sod how much America is sending. The fact is that the actions of the WORLD community are what's important here. That's what really matters.

Oh and for the record... Saudi Arabia and Kuwait combine for a total of $10 million in aid. So much for showing support for fellow Muslims. :(

CHEAP????? It's almost $2 a gallon!!! (a gallon is around 4 litres)

That is cheap. Ours is about AUD$1.00 per litre.

OK, here is why I hate the USA.
1. they forced their style of government on my country, changing us from a socalist country to a more of an american arse licking country.

2. remember what the US did about the twin towers, they dropped an much high explosives on a small country, and that was a once off incident from bin larden, while over in Isreal there are a shitload more terrorist bombings and when Isreal decided to make the Palistinians stop it the US said that they can't respond to terror with terror. Therefore the US is a bunch of hypocrites.

3. With the Iraq war what was the first thing that the US secured? OIL, yes it was OIL. and also there was no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

4. The US keeps trying to make other countrys get rid of their weapons of mass destruction, while they keep their large stockpile. Again hipocrites.

5. If the US don't like a country they stop trade with it and make the rest of the world stop trading with it, where is the freedom in that.

6. The US is one of the countrys that says Fuck the inviroment, make more pollution. Is that greed? I think so.

7. Americans are so up their selves about being in what they call a great country that they don't see the evils that their country is doing.

Lets not and say we did.
Yes. But no one's supposed to know that. So, pssss..

In Briton a lot of people still see America as our friend that will help us when we're down (although I think this is questionable after the Falklands) and so in return we help you when you get in trouble and stand by you when the world criticises you (Iraq, Afganistan)

We like to jibe you and tell the odd joke but your our friends and thats that.

They hate Bush, not America.

Okay, so that was only part of it.

Most new anti-American setiments come from the fact that they have different lifestyles than we do, and they just don't agree with ours. And when we invade countries (Even though we've only done this once, and actually a lot of people have act like its happened gigantic amounts of times), they begin to think, "HOLY SHIT, THE U.S. MIGHT INVADE US AND IMPOSE THEIR LIFESTYLE UPON US, ALLAH HELP US!".

Okay, so the last part was made up, but you get the point, not only do they hate it when we do it to other people, they begin to worry about their lifestyle, and then about how much of a role it will have in the world.

Plus France has a flat economy.

changing us from a socalist country to a more of an american arse licking country.


...doesn't sound very american to me ;)

It's many things that make people hate the intire American nation and people.
Your culture, your military, your government and the fact that America is allways getting into issues of other countrys that really isnt connected to America.
You arent really team players, you will not even sign the Kyoto Act that does all the world good and people think that and other things you do or will not do are selfish.

That is cheap. Ours is about AUD$1.00 per litre.
:p We pay around 1.28 euro's a litre.

We give more humanitarian aide than any other nation ever? The American people ar the first to respond when disaster happens. In 2003 we gave nearly 37% of all humanitarian aide the closest nation the Netherlands gave 12% of all humanitarian aide.
By absolute volume, yes. Relative to wealth on the other hand, its contributions are usually a pathetic effort compared to the vast majority of the industrialised world.

Why do people hate the US for trying to spread democracy around the world?
Because it doesn't take no for an answer, and proceeds to kill people.

Why do people hate the US for dying at their expense?
Because it is unnecessary and they rarely see any material benefit anyway.

Since when was America an evil nation?
I never saw it as evil. But I laugh at anyone who claims it is good.

Since when was America an evil nation?

A better question would be when was it ever a good nation?

Why they hate US.

Unilateralism.
Cultural hegemony.
Military adventurism.
Complete disregard for multinational institutions and treaties.
Consumption of 25-30% of the worlds resources but gives little back.
Sponsers dicatators: Pinochet (CIA installed him), Noriega (ally), Musharrif, Mubbariq (sp?), Teodoro Obiang (we need his oil), Mobuto Sese Seko (Zaire, anybody remember?), Saddam Hussein (supported during the Iran/Iraq conflict), etc...

If any other country committed these same acts we in the U.S. would be outraged. Post 9/11 we had unprecedented support from the world community. We squandered it. I travel alot. Up until the 2004 election most of the ire directed at the US was primarily directed at the Bush/Cheney regime. This was evidenced in the non US press, public opinion, graffiti, etc. It is easy as an American to focus on the good and ignore the bad that we do. But as a nation we do both. All nations do, but as the biggest, we do the most. The problem comes with the hypocrisy of stating one position but then enacting another. We do not see this because we are not directly affected by it. Others abroad are. If you really wish to understand why others are dissatisfied by us, read the foreign press and then imagine if you were a citizen of a country other than the U.S. how you would feel about U.S. policy.

I apologize if I rambled, but trying to compress this topic into a couple of paragraphs is nearly impossible. Books could be written on this subject and still never fully explore it.

Most new anti-American setiments come from the fact that they have different lifestyles than we do, and they just don't agree with ours. And when we invade countries (Even though we've only done this once, and actually a lot of people have act like its happened gigantic amounts of times), they begin to think, "HOLY SHIT, THE U.S. MIGHT INVADE US AND IMPOSE THEIR LIFESTYLE UPON US, ALLAH HELP US!".

Excuse me, but "we've only done this once", presumably referring to Iraq? Have you heard of the Vietnam War? What about Somalia? What about the Bay of Pigs invasion? What about Noriega in Panama?
I'd grant that Korea might not count as invasion, but I would suggest that the way you took the western half of your nation from the roaming locals who happened to live there counts as an invasion in my book.
Read a little of your nation's "glorious history".

:p We pay around 1.28 euro's a litre.That's because it's faster to walk across Europe than it is to drive across a large country :gundge:

Why do people hate the US?

We give more humanitarian aide than any other nation ever? The American people ar the first to respond when disaster happens. In 2003 we gave nearly 37% of all humanitarian aide the closest nation the Netherlands gave 12% of all humanitarian aide.

Why do people hate the US for trying to spread democracy around the world?
Why do people hate the US for dying at their expense?
Since when was America an evil nation?

PS-Please give a responsible and honest reply. No random posts please.
PEOPLE don't hate the US, only leftists, Islamists, and French & German business interests eager to take over US markets. :D

Why they hate US.

Unilateralism.
Cultural hegemony.
Military adventurism.
Complete disregard for multinational institutions and treaties.
Consumption of 25-30% of the worlds resources but gives little back.
Sponsers dicatators: Pinochet (CIA installed him), Noriega (ally), Musharrif, Mubbariq (sp?), Teodoro Obiang (we need his oil), Mobuto Sese Seko (Zaire, anybody remember?), Saddam Hussein (supported during the Iran/Iraq conflict), etc...

If any other country committed these same acts we in the U.S. would be outraged. Post 9/11 we had unprecedented support from the world community. We squandered it. I travel alot. Up until the 2004 election most of the ire directed at the US was primarily directed at the Bush/Cheney regime. This was evidenced in the non US press, public opinion, graffiti, etc. It is easy as an American to focus on the good and ignore the bad that we do. But as a nation we do both. All nations do, but as the biggest, we do the most. The problem comes with the hypocrisy of stating one position but then enacting another. We do not see this because we are not directly affected by it. Others abroad are. If you really wish to understand why others are dissatisfied by us, read the foreign press and then imagine if you were a citizen of a country other than the U.S. how you would feel about U.S. policy.

I apologize if I rambled, but trying to compress this topic into a couple of paragraphs is nearly impossible. Books could be written on this subject and still never fully explore it.I agree with a lot of that, earlier I forgot to mention that usa is perceived as a 'melting pot' and many people resent that if they were to live in America they 'would be forced to give up their culture and adopt the american way.'

That's because it's faster to walk across Europe than it is to drive across a large country :gundge:
yeeeah... right. teeny tiny europe. ;)

PEOPLE don't hate the US, only leftists, Islamists, and French & German business interests eager to take over US markets. :D
Us treehugging hippies feel left out. :mad:

...while over in Isreal there are a shitload more terrorist bombings and when Isreal decided to make the Palistinians stop it the US said that they can't respond to terror with terror. Therefore the US is a bunch of hypocrites.
No. The Israelis respond in kind, (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4144695.stm) whatever the USA say. More Palestinians under the age of 17 have been killed by Israelis than the Palestinians have killed Israeli civilians in total. Israel acts without restraint, completely and totally.

I don't hate the US. Or at least, I didn't. This thread is the last straw. So many of these self-indulgent 'OMG why you hate us?' threads have come up on so many forums over so much of the internet that I've finally cracked it: you want me to hate you, don't you? Well fine, I will.

Before you drove me insane, though, I only disliked your government. Which is what most people do. And it may surprise you to know that people outside the US don't actually care all that much. They have their own lives to lead. Their first thought when they wake, and their last thought when they go to sleep, is not "I hate the United States of America". We have much better things to be doing with our time.

Because Americans think God talks to them.

We have much better things to be doing with our time.
Especially in the morning. You can't beat that morning shit. :)

Their first though when they wake, and their last thought when they go to sleep, isn't "I hate the United States of America".
Umm...eeehh...Yeah!!! Thats right!!! :p :D

Their first though when they wake, and their last thought when they go to sleep, isn't "I hate the United States of America". We have much better things to be doing with our time.
That is very nicely put. Stop worrying about everybody loving you and just accept that this will never be the case.
Don't be depressed, just because people may dislike you for various reasons. The glass is half full, remember? :)

I think these from Nationmaster should help. They are the net amount of Aid the US gives.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/eco_eco_aid_don_cap

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/eco_eco_aid_don_gdp

Why do people hate the US?

We give more humanitarian aide than any other nation ever? The American people ar the first to respond when disaster happens. In 2003 we gave nearly 37% of all humanitarian aide the closest nation the Netherlands gave 12% of all humanitarian aide.

Why do people hate the US for trying to spread democracy around the world?
Why do people hate the US for dying at their expense?
Since when was America an evil nation?

PS-Please give a responsible and honest reply. No random posts please.

This is why. The whole "America does everything and nobody else does anything!" attitude. It really bugs people when they go around and say "We saved your asses in WW1/WW2/Korea/The Cold War/The Congo/Etc/etc..." There is nothing wrong with being proud of your country. But when assholes take it to the point of trash talking other nations that they are ALLIES WITH, yeah, it really pisses people off. The United States is not the most democratic nation in the world, it is not the nicest place to live, it is not the most naturally beautiful nation ever...but that doesn't matter! What matters is how you treat your friends. Im a Canadian. I've visited the United States, its not an awful place, but its not all its cracked up to be either...but it doesn't matter to me. I still love my American friends, so everyone on all sides of the argument should shut the hell up.

Let's not forget that current American rock musicians wouldn't know heavy metal if it were to fall from the sky and crush them. If you don't believe me, I present Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park, and Metallica as evidence that American "metal" is garbage.

I don't believe Limp Bizkit or Linkin Park ever claimed to be metal. Metallica WAS the heavy metal band for the first 3 albums.

I don't believe Limp Bizkit or Linkin Park ever claimed to be metal. Metallica WAS the heavy metal band for the first 3 albums.
I believe the term used was 'nu punk' ...or something similar to that

No. The Israelis respond in kind, (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4144695.stm) whatever the USA say. More Palestinians under the age of 17 have been killed by Israelis than the Palestinians have killed Israeli civilians in total. Israel acts without restraint, completely and totally.

kinda like the US, except the difference there is that they dropped bombs and other high explosives all over Afganistain instead of crashing planes in to buildings like bin larden's friends did

Here Here!!!!!

The Us Sucks!!!!!

Not Bullies, Saints!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Especially in the morning. You can't beat that morning shit. :)

How true, particularly after a night on the turps.

I believe we are hated for our arrogance. We are arrogant to think that the rest of the worlds problems can and will be solved by us. We are arrogant to think that we have it all right. I also believe we are not liked because we are the cause of many of the world's problems. Much poverty around the world can be attributed to us and our demand for ultra cheap goods. We off shore our manufacturing jobs to countries that pay workers $1 a day. Then we look the other way when human rights violations occur in foreign manufacturing plants. We install leaders and support rebels who may be of some use to us at a later date (see Saddam Hussein, the Bathist party, Osama Bin Laden, the Taliban, and half of South America for examples of this). Then when things do not go like we want, we cut all ties roll up the carpet, stop aid and dissappear. This tends to make people angry when you go back on a promise. Finally, we push our ideals far too much on other countries when they don't fit. American culture is not world culture. Our democracy may not work for everyone. You cannot force freedom on people who aren't readdy for it (see Russia, Chechnya, Afganistan, Iraq, Somalia, Iran, Liberia, Haiti, etc., etc., etc.) Consumerism is not the best model (especially when your country is poor or lacks exportable goods). Christianity is not the only religion (or even the largest religion). Our electoral system is not without it faults and biases (2000 anybody?). We may give a lot of aid but it does not come without something attached. We are not selfless or altruistic... We are a plotting, calculating giant and the rest of the world can see us coming from 3000 miles away. The best part about it is, most of us are too ignorant to even comprehend that we could be disliked. You are what you eat!

I wonder when people ask that question: "Where would the world be without the US?"

I don't think the world would be better without it as many people might say. It is a pillar of freedom in the world and all anti-America flag-burning Americans enjoy the right to burn flags as a part of free speech. Its hypocritical. I can't say the same for non-American anti-Americans though. At least they are allowed to think.

Probably because the US is either too liberal (with many rights like religion choice) or too conservative (full of republicans).

I read what I typed and I don't quite fully understand it, but I know what I meant.

This post is a little late.

The US is hated some much beacause everyone relies on us to jump in and save the day, and they resent the fact that they have to come to us for help. Also we are constantly jumping in and helping people who dont want to be helped in order to gain greater political standing and influence over the goods and other exports they have.

The US has directly targetted civilians in every war of the last century.

Examples of the top of my head:

World War II:
Dresden with its old beautiful buildings bombed to the ground
Tokyo - 120,000 civilians killed in bombing
Hiroshima and Nagasaki - each about the same as Tokyo in civilian death, plus deaths from radiation for years to come. The only time in history nuclear bombs were used. And it could not have been to make Japan surrender. They had a million-sized army stationed in China, which was engaged and defeated by Soviet and Mongolian troops after the bombings (the date of attack was set by the Yalta Treaty). Japan only surrendered after they lost in China.

Vietnam:
A million civilians killed,
Entire forests destroyed and poisoned; rich environment ruined

Yugoslavia:
Special shrapnel bombs deployed that are meant to specifically spread shrapnel pieces that fly randomly for great distances and kill civilians
National Albanian Army supported and praised by US, with its ill fame of being tied to prostitution, black market weapons, and especially drugs

Iraq:
More than 100,000 additional civilian deaths since US invasion and counting

No other country ever took so much care to target the civil population in a war on that huge a scale. Except perhaps Nazi Germany.

Someone already mentioned that the US spend 25-30% of the world's resources, and I believe its more (~40%). Even 25% is a lot for a country who only holds less than 4% of the worlds population!!

So many people are starving out in Asia, South America, and Africa, yet the Americans hold "food contests". That is one of the most sick practices I ever heard of in a world with starving children.
Look at Mexico, its America's closest neighbor - look at the level of poverty there.

And democracy and large humanitarian aid from the US always come with leaders supported by the US, American lifestyles, and American businesses, which all replace the legidimate leaders, culture, and native businesses!

The USA could never survive on its own so it looks to other countries for the needed resources. The ultimate solution would be for it to get its grabby hands out of other countries and go home, and try to make something proper there.

I believe we are hated for our arrogance. We are arrogant to think that the rest of the worlds problems can and will be solved by us. We are arrogant to think that we have it all right. I also believe we are not liked because we are the cause of many of the world's problems. Much poverty around the world can be attributed to us and our demand for ultra cheap goods. We off shore our manufacturing jobs to countries that pay workers $1 a day.
Maybe we should just let them not work at all and see how unemployment treats them. I'm sure they'd be better off.

Maybe we should just let them not work at all and see how unemployment treats them. I'm sure they'd be better off.

Oh they would have jobs if the native businesses were not crushed by American businesses.

Oh they would have jobs if the native businesses were not crushed by American businesses.
Subsistence farming.

By outsourcing you don't bring any good to other countries. You just give those people enough money to buy food for the day and go to work the next day.

And you also unemploy your own people.

What for? So some rich motherfunker gets 2 billion instead of 1 billion.

Subsistence farming.

Who says making shoes that Americans overseas will walk in is better?

Subsistence farming.

No can do - subsistance farming has been crushed by American & European farm subsidies. Afghani farmers used to do subsistance farming, but after the Taliban left had to give it up after the influx of cheap American grain. Now they grow opium poppy for processing and export to the USA, so that the can afford to feed themselves.

By outsourcing you don't bring any good to other countries. You just give those people enough money to buy food for the day and go to work the next day.

And you also unemploy your own people.

What for? So some rich motherfunker gets 2 billion instead of 1 billion.
What for? So every consumer that can buy cheaper goods, and end up either buying more of the same goods or buying other goods, boosting companies and the economy. The companies that outsourced the jobs don't end up losing money, because costs are down and more goods are being bought.

What for? To help the economies of the developing countries develop. Poverty-level wages or not, the investment in business and employment helps. China's coastal regions have seen their wealth and development skyrocket.

What for? So companies can continue to employ people in the developed countries. Outsourcing accoutns fora small amount of the overall job loss, and job creation usually isn't from inefficient companies that can't afford to expand.

Yugoslavia:
Special shrapnel bombs deployed that are meant to specifically spread shrapnel pieces that fly randomly for great distances and kill civilians
National Albanian Army supported and praised by US, with its ill fame of being tied to prostitution, black market weapons, and especially drugs
Your ignorance shocks me. Thank god the USA blew up all of those serbian people and Yougo's. THANK GOD. After what those nations did to my country(well, kinda my country. I am only half croatian and have been there many times. I am extreemly proud of it.), Croatia, and not to mention Bosnia and hergloslovenia, they all deserve to die painful and long deaths. Croatia wanted independence, but the Yougo's wouldn't have it because they wanted to drain the country of its money and resources. So they attacked Croatia. Oh, and not military targets, EVERYTHING! Go to Dubrovnik today and you will see empty homes that have a single hloe in the side of the house or in the roof. Why? Missles. Yes, missles. Those bastards bombed civilian homes,hoping to break our spirit! they didn't leave one home untouched. i mean, even the small village in the rolling hills of Sebinik, pop: 200max. they bombed every house, killing most inside. Every croatian man was given military training during the reign of Yugoslavia, just as all of their other subject countries did. So, every man in croatia left for what we call "the home war" We raced into our ally's country, bosnia... hoping to halt their advance. But no. They had tanks, we had rifles and the odd kalashnikov. No tanks. Not one. Nor did we have any planes to counteract their ruthless bombing of historic sited and homes. Then the USA stepped in. Thank god they did, because with their tanks, we started pushing back... WAY back! God bless America!

I agree with a lot of that, earlier I forgot to mention that usa is perceived as a 'melting pot' and many people resent that if they were to live in America they 'would be forced to give up their culture and adopt the american way.'

Exactly. I hate the idea of a cultural "melting pot."

Most people I have met travelling don't hate Americans, they hate the political hierarchy currently in place. The problem is that most of the world feels that America doesn't listen to them - America is out for number 1 and doesn't care about other nations. I think there is a general feeling that America and in a sense Americans have forgotten that they live in a world where eveyone has the right to think and believe for themselves.

I've met a lot of people who are bugged by how little the average American seems to know about the rest of the world. I know I've met a few Americans travelling who just blow my mind with their lack of knowledge about world history and cultures. I think it is this view that gets passed around the world and it is a shame because the majority of Americans I know who are willing to travel and experience other cultures are incredible intelligent and worldly.

PEOPLE don't hate the US, only leftists, Islamists, and French & German business interests eager to take over US markets. :D

That use to be true, but I believe my husband said it best after the election..

The View from outside....
Well, needless to say those were not the results I had hoped to see. As much as Kerry didn't sell the world on his brilliance, the results of Bush policy have been clear for a while now. What we – the “rest of the world” - were waiting for was the results of the American referendum on those policies. Indeed, over the past four years, the world opinion of the US electorate has vacillated greatly. from amusement over the great Florida fiasco of 2000, immense sympathy and shared anger in September of 2001, to distrust and some anger at the resultant policies ever since. Iraq. Quantanimo. Etc.

But for all of that, as the world opinion diminished, for most there was still a clear separation in our eyes. A separation between what was thought of the American people versus what was thought of the Administration.

The reasons for that were largely our understanding of the fact that Bush had not achieved an outright plurality in the popular vote in 2000, and an understanding that the populace had not had an opportunity to vote on the direction the country had headed. They had voted for a “compassionate conservative uniter” during a time of peace and prosperity. 9-11 changed everything, and this was the opportunity for the American people to embrace or reject the resultant fundamental policy shifts that had transpired.

By achieving a clear majority of the popular vote, the rest of the world wakes up to the understanding that the majority of America chooses to define itself as being in agreement with this Administration. We wake up to the understanding that what we hoped (and thought) was the best of America has been overtaken by what we consider to be some of its less endearing qualities.



America, in the eyes of the world, now willingly stands for the following:

- For the arrogant and unfettered use of military force under circumstances that seem to approach an executive whim.
- For the "you're with us or you're against us" mentality.
- For the idea that Bible has supplanted the Constitution as the primary law of the land.
- For intolerance.
- For fiscal recklessness.
- For the doctrine of preemption.
- For never second-guessing a decision and for never learning from mistakes.

That is the face that we see in GW. The face that you have chosen as your public mirror and spokesperson. Not to paint him as the devil incarnate, but to paint him as the spokesperson for self-righteous infliction of a single religious moral code on everything he can. And the biggest lesson learned by this turnout must have been that which was learned by the evangelical right. The lesson being that if they all show up at the polls, they have the numbers to shape the government. This fact is probably the most alarming to me as this moves the US closer towards becoming a true Christian theocracy than any other event since the demise of prohibition.

The exit polls confirmed that in state after state. That the final decision of the voters was not, in fact, predicated on the issues of security, but rather on that amorphous term: "values". The only thing we outsiders can take with that is the idea that most Americans consider John Kerry to be a man of lesser moral fiber than GW, presumably from his assertion that it is his duty to put his personal religious beliefs to the side when making policy in favour of a more open-minded and tolerant viewpoint. The separation of Church and State that has been so hard-won around the Western World seems to be on the decline in the US with the blessing of it’s citizens.

What things do I look to as the most likely lasting impacts of the next four years? The possible stacking of the Supreme Court for decades to come with equally theologically bent judges, and the continued selling off of American debt to the Chinese - thereby providing your most likely future major competitor with fiscal leverage to hold over you. Indeed, it seems entirely conceivable that by the end of 8 years GW will have doubled the national debt, and with the bulk of that increase going to the East.

Those possibilities do not, to us, bode as well for the vision of America's future that we had hoped for. The shining beacon in the world has been tarnished in our eyes in a way that I have never seen before. This is not an expression of anger with America, more one of disappointment. And not expressed with a sense of superiority but rather more akin to that felt when a close friend reveals secrets that are antithetical to our own belief structures. We still care for the friend, but it just puts some distance and strain on the close bonds we had. But where both candidates talked about America's position as the world leader as some sort of mandated position, the path we see you embarking upon is not one that engenders a large cadre of willing followers in us. That probably does not matter to most American’s nor do I expect it to. This was simply stated as fact.



From a Canadian perspective, this means one thing above all to me. It has become ever more crucial that we work diligently to wean ourselves as much as possible from the interdependent teat of the combined Canadian-American economy. Our proximity means that this will always be a factor, however our primary mission to ensure our own stability must be to actively cultivate far more economic ties with the EU and Asia if we are not going to find ourselves inexorably drawn along a path that we might prefer not to go.

Who says making shoes that Americans overseas will walk in is better?
Its more consistent. You don't have to worry about a bad monsoon or growing season ruining everything.

No can do - subsistance farming has been crushed by American & European farm subsidies. Afghani farmers used to do subsistance farming, but after the Taliban left had to give it up after the influx of cheap American grain. Now they grow opium poppy for processing and export to the USA, so that the can afford to feed themselves.
Actually, the reason Afghanis grow opium is because its worth many, many times more than any other crop they can grow. If any sort of job offered as much as that does, they would take it, farm subsidies or not. The fact of the matter is that selling produce isn't going to get you as much as selling opium, even if you sell every single piece of the fruit, vegetable, or grain.

Actually, the reason Afghanis grow opium is because its worth many, many times more than any other crop they can grow. If any sort of job offered as much as that does, they would take it, farm subsidies or not. The fact of the matter is that selling produce isn't going to get you as much as selling opium, even if you sell every single piece of the fruit, vegetable, or grain.

Especially since Europe and America pay subsidies to insure their farmers produce way more than they can market and then sell this to the rest of the world at really low prices. This means that no Afghani farmer can ever sell grain at a profit.

Yes growing opium offers much higher profits, but it also incurs much higher risks and costs. Risk of the government burning your fields, risk of armed competitors stealing your crop. Costs of bribes, food, armed protection are all much higher.

If there was an option to sell grain for profit (no subsidies), this profit could be achieved at much lower risk.

Your ignorance shocks me. Thank god the USA blew up all of those serbian people and Yougo's. THANK GOD. After what those nations did to my country(well, kinda my country. I am only half croatian and have been there many times. I am extreemly proud of it.), Croatia, and not to mention Bosnia and hergloslovenia, they all deserve to die painful and long deaths. Croatia wanted independence, but the Yougo's wouldn't have it because they wanted to drain the country of its money and resources. So they attacked Croatia. Oh, and not military targets, EVERYTHING! Go to Dubrovnik today and you will see empty homes that have a single hloe in the side of the house or in the roof. Why? Missles. Yes, missles. Those bastards bombed civilian homes,hoping to break our spirit! they didn't leave one home untouched. i mean, even the small village in the rolling hills of Sebinik, pop: 200max. they bombed every house, killing most inside. Every croatian man was given military training during the reign of Yugoslavia, just as all of their other subject countries did. So, every man in croatia left for what we call "the home war" We raced into our ally's country, bosnia... hoping to halt their advance. But no. They had tanks, we had rifles and the odd kalashnikov. No tanks. Not one. Nor did we have any planes to counteract their ruthless bombing of historic sited and homes. Then the USA stepped in. Thank god they did, because with their tanks, we started pushing back... WAY back! God bless America!

Oh, I am less ignorant than you think. You, supporter of enemy civilian bombing!

Every man was drafted to the military in the socialist countries, not just "the oppressed peoples". And although the Serbian population was the greatest in Yugoslavia the government never ever favored Serbians more.

The annihilation of the Serbian communities in Bosnia and Croatia have been talked about less, but they were much more gruesome. They were people with no military training, with no tanks, with no rifles!

Those heroic villages resisted the Croatian army, and the Serbian Army tried to protect them.

They wanted to stay part of Yugoslavia, or be a part of Serbia, while the Croatians broke away. No such thing was allowed. Now the people who were part of those communities are either dead, or made refugees, which is even worse.

Most Bosnians did not support the break-away from Yugoslavia for your information.

After the US attack the Albanians have been killing Serbians, burning churches methodically, taking land that has been Serbian since there were Serbians and since before there were Croatians.

Now the Croatians are even altering their language to make it look less like the Serbian language, while the 2 were closely related.

What for? So every consumer that can buy cheaper goods, and end up either buying more of the same goods or buying other goods, boosting companies and the economy. The companies that outsourced the jobs don't end up losing money, because costs are down and more goods are being bought.


Every american or european consumer can buy those things. Oh but wait, outsourcing didn't make the product that much cheaper, since the lowered costs only means that the company has to spend less in the production. Ousourcing might lower the costs just a bit but in the end it just increases profits for the fat cats.

And since there are more unemployed, less people can afford those products. And with the jobs being fewer what happens? There are lots of people looking for jobs, meaning that salaries will be lower (logical). And if salaries are lower what happens? People don't have money to buy the companies products.

Outsourcing works fine at first, but in the long run it ruins the economy. Just like capitalism. All shiny and pretty in the beggining, but in the end we will all end up miserable.



What for? To help the economies of the developing countries develop. Poverty-level wages or not, the investment in business and employment helps. China's coastal regions have seen their wealth and development skyrocket.


The wealth of everyone? No, the health of those that "own" the workers, which of course then consume and help the overall economy a bit. A bit. But overseas, in the US, more poor people emerge. Money isn't created. It's traded. And sometimes it's too costly.


What for? So companies can continue to employ people in the developed countries. Outsourcing accoutns fora small amount of the overall job loss, and job creation usually isn't from inefficient companies that can't afford to expand.

A small amount of the overall job loss? Where did you get that from?

In the end, outsourcing just creates a huge gap between the rich and poor. Just like in ancient Rome. The nobles of rome didn't work at all, since all the regions of the empire payed tribute, etc. All the resources came from abroad and the roman people (the poor) were working their asses of in farms and in their industries but they couldn't sell it to anyone, since the rich got their grain, clothing, etc, in other places for lower prices. There was prosperity for some time but in the end it was only decadence, a few rich and hundreds of thousands of starving poor. And then the people revolted.

I see such a future for America.

Especially since Europe and America pay subsidies to insure their farmers produce way more than they can market and then sell this to the rest of the world at really low prices. This means that no Afghani farmer can ever sell grain at a profit.

Yes growing opium offers much higher profits, but it also incurs much higher risks and costs. Risk of the government burning your fields, risk of armed competitors stealing your crop. Costs of bribes, food, armed protection are all much higher.

If there was an option to sell grain for profit (no subsidies), this profit could be achieved at much lower risk.
Yes, but the profit wouldn't be as great. The reason Afghani farmers switched over to opium production in the first place, even pre-Taliban, was that it didn't fail as easily in drought, which is common, and it had a huge profit margin. Grain dosen't, which is why if given a choice between poppy and some sort of grain, poppy will be chosen.

And why is it grown more now?
Why has Afganistan recently become the biggest drug producer in the world?

Every american or european consumer can buy those things. Oh but wait, outsourcing didn't make the product that much cheaper, since the lowered costs only means that the company has to spend less in the production. Ousourcing might lower the costs just a bit but in the end it just increases profits for the fat cats.
Lower costs means a lower per-unit price meaning companies can afford to lower prices. Its what they do to stay competitive. Thats the whole reason for outsourcing. Its why McDonalds can afford to put little toys in everyones happymeal.

And since there are more unemployed, less people can afford those products. And with the jobs being fewer what happens? There are lots of people looking for jobs, meaning that salaries will be lower (logical). And if salaries are lower what happens? People don't have money to buy the companies products.
Outsourcing nowadays, actually, isn't that big of a factor in unemployment. It accounts for about 1% of the gross employment turnover, and the low-skill jobs that are being exported were usually never high-paying in the first place. Also remember that outsourcing is a two-way street. About 6.4 million jobs in the US are insourced. Jobs are not a zero-sum game.

And why is it grown more now?
Why has Afganistan recently become the biggest drug producer in the world?
Because the Taliban isn't controlling everything anymore and the new government dosen't have the power the Taliban did, yet.

The Taliban actively suppressed opium production so the risks of opium production were higher. The Taliban prevented US subsidised grain from flooding the market place, so the profit on grain existed.

Compare with Karzai who is not strong enough to enforce anything outside of Kabul and encourages trade with America.

More grain and less opium was grown under the Taliban.

Yes, but the profit wouldn't be as great. The reason Afghani farmers switched over to opium production in the first place, even pre-Taliban, was that it didn't fail as easily in drought, which is common, and it had a huge profit margin. Grain dosen't, which is why if given a choice between poppy and some sort of grain, poppy will be chosen.

Grain doesn't have profit margin because the USA & Europe have anhilated the profit.

Grain doesn't have profit margin because the USA & Europe have anhilated the profit.
No, American and European subsidies have nothing to do with this. The fact of the matter is that the supply of grain compared to the dmand lends itself to lower prices than opium. If 95% of the grain farmers in the world stopped producing grain, then the profit margin would be similar without subsidies from the USA and Europe.

The Taliban actively suppressed opium production so the risks of opium production were higher. The Taliban prevented US subsidised grain from flooding the market place, so the profit on grain existed.

Compare with Karzai who is not strong enough to enforce anything outside of Kabul and encourages trade with America.

More grain and less opium was grown under the Taliban.

There was famine and constant malnutrition under the Taliban. Their agricultural policies were a failure.

While there was still more grain grown despite the poor farming practices. And even those are not employed today.

While there was still more grain grown despite the poor farming practices. And even those are not employed today.
Right, but the grain was inadequate to meet the needs of the Afghani people. Just because a country produces more dosen't necessarily mean its better off.

I don't think it's the U.S. that people hate, it's the fact that you are the most powerful nation atm, back when Great Britain was the leading world power, I'm sure there were a few people that didn't like them.

Producing grain is better than producing opium I would think, whatever the disastrous economic effects.

Wow, my first post, Woohoo! I'm certain there's a forum for intros around here, but who knows.

Anyway, on topic: They don't hate the US for trying to spread democracy around the world. They hate the US because it always tries to tell them what to do.

They don't hate the US for dying at their expense. They hate the US because the US is the self-appointed "world police", when nobody wants them to be.

Some smaller countries consider all the commercialism to be evil, I guess.


If the US suddenly stopped policing the world then people would start bitching for our help. In regards to the "bad" things that the US dose, all countries do things that they see will work for their own interests. Any other country that was as powerful as we are would do the same thing.

You would be surprised that countries actually want to manage themselves.

No, American and European subsidies have nothing to do with this. The fact of the matter is that the supply of grain compared to the dmand lends itself to lower prices than opium. If 95% of the grain farmers in the world stopped producing grain, then the profit margin would be similar without subsidies from the USA and Europe.

America and Europe pay farmers to produce millions of tonnes of a product you describe as worthless. Why is that? The worlds largest producer (USA) is able to distribute grain at a price less than cost of production. These massive low cost dumpings on the world market depress the price of grain. This makes it nigh impossible for third world farmers to compete.

There was famine and constant malnutrition under the Taliban. Their agricultural policies were a failure.

Part of the reason for this famine and constant malnutrition was that the Taliban did not import grain from the international market. Importation was made difficult because sanctions were imposed on the Taliban.

America and Europe pay farmers to produce millions of tonnes of a product you describe as worthless. Why is that? The worlds largest producer (USA) is able to distribute grain at a price less than cost of production. These massive low cost dumpings on the world market depress the price of grain. This makes it nigh impossible for third world farmers to compete.
The reason farms are subsidized is so the farmers don't fail and have the banks fail with them. If you look at the history of the massive farm subsidies they started under FDR during the Great Depression, to ensure that something like the Great Depression wouldn't happen again. If you don't know already, one of the major causes was the fact that the Dust Bowl caused many farms in the Midwest to fail and severly hurt the banking industry.

Part of the reason for this famine and constant malnutrition was that the Taliban did not import grain from the international market. Importation was made difficult because sanctions were imposed on the Taliban.
That is part of the reason. I guess they thought harboring Osama was more important.

We do not understand this America. The words used there mean something different in other countries.
They say they have Democracy ... Not everyone has their vote counted and the candidate with the most money always wins!
They say they stand for Freedom ... Half a million child slaves working the farms say 'NO'.
They say they stand for International Freedom ... Legally elected governments are destroyed by America and Evil Dictators put in their place.
All this and much more; very strange :confused:

The reason farms are subsidized is so the farmers don't fail and have the banks fail with them. If you look at the history of the massive farm subsidies they started under FDR during the Great Depression, to ensure that something like the Great Depression wouldn't happen again. If you don't know already, one of the major causes was the fact that the Dust Bowl caused many farms in the Midwest to fail and severly hurt the banking industry.

Yes - 75 years ago a large number of Americans lived on farms. Now 75 years later, very little of the American economy is based on farming. The subsidies paid to farmers would be better spent on a more vital industry, such as computing or fast food.

All the subsidies are currently doing is making a few agri-business companies rich (so their chairmen can make large campaign donations) and suppressing global produce markets. BTW this is one of the reasons the USA is not well liked.

That is part of the reason. I guess they thought harboring Osama was more important.

Which means it was not their agricultural policy which was screwed up, rather their "let's provide a weak, poor target for American bombing" policy.

Yes - 75 years ago a large number of Americans lived on farms. Now 75 years later, very little of the American economy is based on farming. The subsidies paid to farmers would be better spent on a more vital industry, such as computing or fast food.

All the subsidies are currently doing is making a few agri-business companies rich (so their chairmen can make large campaign donations) and suppressing global produce markets. BTW this is one of the reasons the USA is not well liked
I agree. I think every country should get rid of subsidies. I was just saying the reason farms were subsidized. Once they are its hard for any politican, Democrat, Republican, or Independent to try and cut them off.

Which means it was not their agricultural policy which was screwed up, rather their "let's provide a weak, poor target for American bombing" policy.
Sort of. Unless it was their intention to allow their people to starve, their agricultural policy failed to be self-sufficient in face of the sanctions which they brought upon themselves. Now, their options may have been limited due to the sanctions, however, what they did make out of their hand was a failure.

Sort of. Unless it was their intention to allow their people to starve, their agricultural policy failed to be self-sufficient in face of the sanctions which they brought upon themselves. Now, their options may have been limited due to the sanctions, however, what they did make out of their hand was a failure.

They should have done what the new successful, at least non-failed state, Afghanistan is doing and grown huge amounts of Opium.

3 words George W Bush he is lame, what a lamewad!!!!! Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha !!!! :confused: :sniper:
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Bush

:confused: :mp5:
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Bush again
What a jerk ass thats bush

Al gore rules

Military spending doesn't help humanity, so how can it be classified as humanitarian aid?

U.S. military transport aircraft are ferrying supplies DIRECTLY to those who need it. People are being evacuated by those same aircraft to the sickbays aboard US Navy ships (like the Abraham Lincoln and the Bonhomme Richard). US patrol aircraft are assessing the damage and looking for survivors. And there are troops on the ground helping with rescue, security, medical, and reconstruction efforts. None of this is factored into the financial figure of relief aid (at least not publicly), but that does not mean that it doesn't count. I'd say that this spending IS helping humanity.

well the military is helping the sick but funding other ships to take aboard the sick is just as good

I've got a mental image of the US doing them bad things it does, then turning around and saying, "What? What did I do?" The very question, "Why don't other countries like us?" resembles the talk of a whining bully.

Saying that, I've decided I like the US. It's a bit of an effort to hate an entire nation, anyway.

The US does good in the world, the US does bad in the world. Just like any other nation. However, every other nation isn't the most powerful in the world. It's hard to stay popular like that.

3 words George W Bush he is lame, what a lamewad!!!!! Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha !!!! :confused: :sniper:
^
Bush

:confused: :mp5:
^
Bush again
What a jerk ass thats bush

Al gore rules


Apparently this person doesn't like Bush, and was too preoccupied with his or her own lameness to come up with a better insult. You really must try harder so you don't end up looking like a jackass. Which is exactally the image you present. :rolleyes:

well the military is helping the sick but funding other ships to take aboard the sick is just as good

Not many ships have the same medical capabilities of a US navy ship. A warships medical facilities have to be able to deal with almost any type of injury or illness; thus whenever a navy ship lends aid to people, those people have access to top notch medical treatment whether its a head injury or a major illness. Also the navy has ships that are gigantic floating hospitals. The USNS Mercy is a 1,000 bed hospital ship and is to be dispatched to aid the survivors. Its a matter of quality and quantity, and the navy has high marks in both.

[QUOTE=Vittos Ordination]I don't hate the US, but...

The US does not spread democracy, they spread Pro-American governments, QUOTE]

Very true. I do not hate the US because of it's Government though. I hate it because of it's polution towards the world and to be honest, it's cities are filthy. The United States barely does anything for thier welfare.

Anyways, that's my point of view.

Why do people hate the US?

We give more humanitarian aide than any other nation ever? The American people ar the first to respond when disaster happens. In 2003 we gave nearly 37% of all humanitarian aide the closest nation the Netherlands gave 12% of all humanitarian aide.

Why do people hate the US for trying to spread democracy around the world?
Why do people hate the US for dying at their expense?
Since when was America an evil nation?

PS-Please give a responsible and honest reply. No random posts please.

This is the kind of thing believed by people who never leave the United States. I have traveled to Japan, Ukraine, Russia, England, Scotland, Wales, Ireland, and Canada and have never once encountered anything but respect and admiration for Americans.

People of the rest of the world begin to have a difficult time when our government (and some individual Americans) act as if the American way is the only way to do things. Perhaps they resent the fact that Americans too often can't be bothered to learn anything about the rest of the world or to accept that other people have long, rich histories and cultures different from our own. They may also resent that American pop culture is like a giant steamroller destroying much of the culture of other countries and that American values too often boil down to a bottom line profit statement.

They may also get tired of the incessant whining of Americans about why nobody loves us. The United States is never content with being respected, we must be loved, adored, worshipped. Any country that does not genuflect before us is seen as anti-American. If a country could have a neurosis I would say that the U.S. is like an insecure teenage girl constantly looking for approval and prematurely lashing out because she is sure she won't get it.

This is the kind of thing believed by people who never leave the United States. I have traveled to Japan, Ukraine, Russia, England, Scotland, Wales, Ireland, and Canada and have never once encountered anything but respect and admiration for Americans.
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I agreed with a large number of your points. Except this one. This is weird. And odd.
I've been to England, Germany (Although :rolleyes: I suppose a stop-over in an Airport doesn't count =P) Greece and then nations From Australia to Hong Kong on the east coast of Asia.

I've met a lot of dis-respect, dis-like, and natural annoyance with the USA. In Greece, heck, at most food serving places, especially ones with a sit down and all that, it was really hard to get a waiter, because after they heard us speaking English they assumed we were American. It was after we either told them, or wore Canadian flags, (We are Canadian) service improved. Don't get me wrong, there are some nice American's out there. But a lot of American's when travelling are loud mouth bigot arrogant Jack arses. I say this from meeting them while travelling. However, this is no where near all of them. There are also some really nice people.

Then again the only people who REALLY annoy me, are the people who wear Canadian flags when they're not Canadian.

I just found this:
http://www.globalissues.org/TradeRelated/Debt/USAid.asp
which says, among other things, that the U.S. gave 0.14% of its GNP (Gross National Product) in ODA (Official Development Assistance) in 2003. That should be compared to a commitment at the Earth summit in Rio in '92 to give 0.7% (i.e. 5 times as much), though to be fair, most rich nations are also missing this target, including my own, the U.K. (we gave 0.34%).
Basically, we're too damn rich, and a lot of places are too damn poor. If we can't give $1 for every $100 we make, we're just greedy. I include the whole industrialised West in this statement, as even Norway, top of the ranking, only gives 0.92% (Denmark used to give over 1%, but has since dropped back).
Yes, but the US has to fund the rest of the world's economies, and their price controls.

At this moment, I believe only this man's words can point out a perfect argument.
The Price of Freedom
By: Bill O'Reilly for BillOReilly.com
Thursday, Jul 15, 2004

A recent poll taken in Canada says that 40% of Canadian teenagers believe the United States is an "evil" country. Among French-Canadian teens, the number rises to 64%. This, of course, is hard to believe, and must be laid right on the doorstep of the often viciously anti-American Canadian press as well as irresponsible educators supposedly teaching Canadian kids about the world.
And all over the world, America is getting slaughtered in the arena of public opinion. Therefore, what can we expect from children? When government funded press agencies like the BBC and the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation portray America as the world's chief villain, there's little anyone can do to balance the picture. The Fox News Channel, for example, isn't even allowed in Canada.

So for the benefit of the Canadian kids, and, indeed, children all over the world, I am going to set the record straight right here in this column.

Let's start with an undeniable fact: The United States of America has set more people free than any other country in the history of mankind. We all know about World War II, but here's what's happened recently:

In Eastern Europe, the policies of Ronald Reagan led to the freeing of at least 122 million people from Soviet domination.


More than 48 million South Koreans remain free because of American protection.


Nearly 23 million Taiwanese remain free because of American protection.


The state of Israel and five and a half million Jews would be crushed by its enemies if not for American aid.


By removing the brutal regimes in Iraq and Afghanistan, America and Britain have given almost 50 million people at least a shot at some kind of self-determination. Also, the American-driven campaign against the butcher Milosovic in the Balkans saved the lives of hundreds of thousands of people, most of them Muslims.


America is sending $3 billion a year to Africa to combat the AIDS epidemic. By comparison Canada is sending $270 million, France a paltry $60 million.
And those countries have the nerve to portray America as a villain? How many human beings has France freed over the past 60 years? The same question can be asked of Canada. Yes, those nations have helped the USA on occasion, but they are drifting away from reality now.
It's not only Canadians and the French who are misguided about the USA; there's also a fifth column in America itself. The "anarchists" are hoping to disrupt the Republican convention in New York City. Police believe they will use violent means to do so.

And the verbal violence on display daily by partisan fanatics is growing more despicable by the moment. Michael Moore and his acolytes hide behind the "dissent" label, but they are not dissenters, they're destroyers. Moore has been quoted as saying capitalism is "diabolical," even as he trucks his millions to the bank. By the way, did you know that associates of Hezbollah want to help distribute Moore's movie in the Middle East? What does that tell you?

The truth is that America is a great country striving to protect itself in an ungrateful and dangerous world. We, the people, have sacrificed blood and money so others could have a chance in life. Yet many teenagers in Canada are convinced we are an evil nation. The powers-that-be in Canada should be ashamed that their young people are so ignorant but I know they are not. Ignorance, you see, is most often a contagious disease.

they dun like the idea of a democracy where leaders are elected by teh people and not through terror or birth
:headbang:

Now to respond to what I read.

Now these are all out of date, and I can't be bother at the moment to look up the updated facts, but I suspect they haven't changed much.

Once in a debate a couple years ago, I was looking at the US aid.
US Aid is very 'large'. Until you compare it to the GDP/GNP etc.

But, that's not fair. It's still a large amount of money right?

Well. About two years ago or so. You spent every seven days on Military, what you spent on Foreign Aid every YEAR.

That's a pretty uneven number. Yes you help. Yes you do all this good stuff. In theory, so did Saddam. He provided a stable Iraq. Even the 'bad' people do good things. No one likes Hitler. (In theory). Yet he provided a lot for people. Yes, he made a huge war, killed a lot of people, but he also led the Germans back into 'Prosperity', pulled the American's out of Isolation, and advanced Technology quite a bit. From 'Bi-planes' To Jet planes. From Coal to Nuclear power. There are a lot of benefits of war.

We give more humanitarian aide than any other nation ever? The American people ar the first to respond when disaster happens. In 2003 we gave nearly 37% of all humanitarian aide the closest nation the Netherlands gave 12% of all humanitarian aide.

Why do people hate the US for trying to spread democracy around the world?
Why do people hate the US for dying at their expense?
Since when was America an evil nation?

If we're talking GDP wise, america is not giving the highest. It's not even in the top ten.

1) Trying to spread democracy. . . Trying to spread democracy! Are you kidding me? Democracy is suppose to be FREE. How do you spread that with guns?
2) Because it usually gets something back of equal or greater value to it's invalued soldier's lives.
3) Since it started doing things for the purpose of furthering it's self over anything else.

America is ussaly hated by other countrys for its arogance and imperialistic greed. I know other countrys are more arrogant bu they are no very powerfull so they cant push it in your face as much as america. They send money to help people in the villages they bomb. Their warmongering just helps them overthrow goverments and put in american puppet goverments. Your quick to point out what is great about your nation but dont show the bad parts. I am not saying that my country is any better but that does not make america good.

That people actually believe that a douchebag like Bill O'Reilly or a dumb bitch like Ann Coulter has anything worthwhile to say to the american public is one of the reasons I laugh at USA. But I don't hate USA. I'm just having a laugh, that's all. It's like a really bad Hollywood movie... :D

At this moment, I believe only this man's words can point out a perfect argument.
The Price of Freedom
By: Bill O'Reilly for BillOReilly.com
Thursday, Jul 15, 2004

A recent poll taken in Canada says that 40% of Canadian teenagers believe the United States is an "evil" country. Among French-Canadian teens, the number rises to 64%. This, of course, is hard to believe, and must be laid right on the doorstep of the often viciously anti-American Canadian press as well as irresponsible educators supposedly teaching Canadian kids about the world.
And all over the world, America is getting slaughtered in the arena of public opinion. Therefore, what can we expect from children? When government funded press agencies like the BBC and the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation portray America as the world's chief villain, there's little anyone can do to balance the picture. The Fox News Channel, for example, isn't even allowed in Canada.

So for the benefit of the Canadian kids, and, indeed, children all over the world, I am going to set the record straight right here in this column.

Let's start with an undeniable fact: The United States of America has set more people free than any other country in the history of mankind. We all know about World War II, but here's what's happened recently:

In Eastern Europe, the policies of Ronald Reagan led to the freeing of at least 122 million people from Soviet domination.


More than 48 million South Koreans remain free because of American protection.


Nearly 23 million Taiwanese remain free because of American protection.


The state of Israel and five and a half million Jews would be crushed by its enemies if not for American aid.


By removing the brutal regimes in Iraq and Afghanistan, America and Britain have given almost 50 million people at least a shot at some kind of self-determination. Also, the American-driven campaign against the butcher Milosovic in the Balkans saved the lives of hundreds of thousands of people, most of them Muslims.


America is sending $3 billion a year to Africa to combat the AIDS epidemic. By comparison Canada is sending $270 million, France a paltry $60 million.
And those countries have the nerve to portray America as a villain? How many human beings has France freed over the past 60 years? The same question can be asked of Canada. Yes, those nations have helped the USA on occasion, but they are drifting away from reality now.
It's not only Canadians and the French who are misguided about the USA; there's also a fifth column in America itself. The "anarchists" are hoping to disrupt the Republican convention in New York City. Police believe they will use violent means to do so.

And the verbal violence on display daily by partisan fanatics is growing more despicable by the moment. Michael Moore and his acolytes hide behind the "dissent" label, but they are not dissenters, they're destroyers. Moore has been quoted as saying capitalism is "diabolical," even as he trucks his millions to the bank. By the way, did you know that associates of Hezbollah want to help distribute Moore's movie in the Middle East? What does that tell you?

The truth is that America is a great country striving to protect itself in an ungrateful and dangerous world. We, the people, have sacrificed blood and money so others could have a chance in life. Yet many teenagers in Canada are convinced we are an evil nation. The powers-that-be in Canada should be ashamed that their young people are so ignorant but I know they are not. Ignorance, you see, is most often a contagious disease.


*Snorts* BUllSHit.

In Eastern Europe, The Soviets pulled out because they wanted to. If they hadn't decided for themselves to, they wouldn't have. Most of those people still live poor or crap existences.

HAHAHAHA, WW2? You even DARE bring the WW2 thing into this? America did what? Oh yeah, SAT ON IT'S ASS FOR HOW LONG? Wait, in BOTH WW's? Oh that's right.

Your Administration did help. I thank them for that, and I do appreciate it. But when the Average American prefered to sit on their arse, and the fact that the only reason you fought in Europe at all was because Germany declared war on you, allowing your Prez to send men over there.

And after the war you still wanted to forget about Europe. Again thank you to your Prez at the time.

Nice figure in South Korea, I notice you forget Vietnam. How many DIDN'T you protect? So...mention where you won and..ignore your failures? Did you know that 25% or so of the population died in Vietnam?

The state of Israel. Oh, wait. I forgot it was created by you. If I think correctly. So you create a country, of a rival religion, in the middle of a large group of opposing religions. Then expect to what?

I'm sorry. Did you forget that there were MORE countries than "US and Britian" In afghanistan?

And didn't you notice that you've KILLED how many Iraqi's? Not to mention turned their country into a war zone? For what? Oil?
You claim it's for freedom. But a year ago, it was WMD's. Hell. None of those.

I'm a Teenager. And yes, I'd classify America as a "Evil" nation. Any country that invades a country for no reason, is evil in my eyes. Any country that follows a liar, not just any liar, but a man who kills with his lies, is an evil nation.

And then there is your arrogance,
"The truth is that America is a great country " *Snorts* Yes. A Great nation. Consuming resources unproportional to it's size. A great nation invading other nations on reasons even more flimsy than Hitler's burning of his Reichstag to invade poland. At least he had 'Proof'. A nation full of arrogant boors, and largely ignorant masses.

G'dnight. Either way. I stand by my first word statement about that article.

they dun like the idea of a democracy where leaders are elected by teh people and not through terror or birth
:headbang:


???

America's not the only democracy in the world.

Just a thought, perhaps you could consider our military spending part of our humanitarian aid.Just another thought, perhaps The IRA could consider my pot expenses as tax deductible :D

According to what I read two carrier battlegroups are being dispatched to the tsunami area to treat the sick and wounded and provide food and drinking water.
so?
Esso could have sent the exxon Valdez "to treat the sick and wounded and provide food and drinking water" and it would not mean that now the Oil Companies prime mission is humanitarian.

Military are trained to be good killers.

Military expense is to impose your will on other peoples

There is one thing about the u.s. that people do not understand and realise. Seeing as America is the most powerful and influential Nation that this Earth has presented in this modern age, it gives a standing point to anyone man who controls it to give a shot at his(I say his because there has never been a female President of the U.S. ) most ambitious dreams.
There are several factors why a President of the U.S. is ambitious:

1. Most of the Presidents of the u.s. have been born into rich and powerful families and were sent off to specilised schools that spend their effert on polotics and diplomacy, except for a couple of Presidents, mainly General Washington, Abraham Lincoln, George Abram, and that General dude sworn in after J.F.K. snuffed it.

2. These presidents then stick by their family traditions and go into Polotics with their own ambitions, ideals and ideas

3. And when these dudes get in as the President of the United States of America, they are left in a job that gives them the most ultimate power in the whole bloody country, thus leaving them to fulfil their ambitions.

And that is why the u.s. is such a nasty country because they do what they wish, go to war with whoever they wan't and because of one madman behind a Juggernaut sending patriotism into the hearts of his citisens.

Patriotism is nothing but a tool used to complete a leader ambitions and a meaning of slavery for ordinary dudes who don't no bloody better :mad:

HAHAHAHA, WW2? You even DARE bring the WW2 thing into this? America did what? Oh yeah, SAT ON IT'S ASS FOR HOW LONG? Wait, in BOTH WW's? Oh that's right.

Your Administration did help. I thank them for that, and I do appreciate it. But when the Average American prefered to sit on their arse, and the fact that the only reason you fought in Europe at all was because Germany declared war on you, allowing your Prez to send men over there.

While I simply don't have the will to respond to all the arrogance in your post, I'd like to point out that it would be very likely you wouldn't be here (or at least speaking english) if we hadn't stepped in and saved your fucking asses. We've saved you what, twice? And this is what we get? Then you go "Oh my fucking god! I hate America!"

While I simply don't have the will to respond to all the arrogance in your post, I'd like to point out that it would be very likely you wouldn't be here (or at least speaking english) if we hadn't stepped in and saved your fucking asses. We've saved you what, twice? And this is what we get? Then you go "Oh my fucking god! I hate America!"

And I'm too tired to respond to this silly "you all would be speaking German" myth that gets brought up in every single one of these kinds of threads, except to say that in WWI the US contribution was mainly financial (minor military impact) and in WWII the nation most responsible for the defeat of Germany was the Soviet Union.

And I'm too tired to respond to this silly "you all would be speaking German" myth that gets brought up in every single one of these kinds of threads, except to say that in WWI the US contribution was mainly financial (minor military impact) and in WWII the nation most responsible for the defeat of Germany was the Soviet Union.

We got the Japanese scumbags.

2. These presidents then stick by their family traditions and go into Polotics with their own ambitions, ideals and ideas
Which in 80% (or better) of cases coincides with the beliefs of the people which is why they vote for that person to be their president. For example, many Americans don't like abortion or the declining morals so they vote for their side, which right now would be republican. Or they greatly dislike war or wish for government to legislate certain things (gay marriage, legalizing marijuana), which would vote right now for democrat. The only perfect candidate for any voter is if the voter him/herself runs. You'll never find a candidate you agree with 100%. For example, I don't like how the President spends so much money on trying to be a centrist and bring the left to his side (No Child Left Behind Act which was drawn up by hardcore dem Ted Kennedy, and Medicare which everyone supposedly wanted).


3. And when these dudes get in as the President of the United States of America, they are left in a job that gives them the most ultimate power in the whole bloody country, thus leaving them to fulfil their ambitions.
I'm glad you make it so easy by pointing out your utter ignorance and stupidity in the American system. Congress and the Senate also work in government as a system of checks and balances. The president wants to go to war, Congress has to vote for it. President said he wanted to and sought Congress' OK. Congress gave the go ahead (it was not republican majority at the time so blame democrats too). Congress said ok and the US went to war. If they voted no, there would be no war in Iraq. The president doesn't wave a magic wand and say "I'm putting in medicare, gonna outlaw skateboards, gonna arrange marriages." like the options here in Nationstates. Get that through your head. The United States president is a representative of the people and so there's no way he can just yell at people have his way. Democracy doesn't mean dictatorship.


And that is why the u.s. is such a nasty country because they do what they wish, go to war with whoever they wan't and because of one madman behind a Juggernaut sending patriotism into the hearts of his citisens.
Oh really? How so? In this age of CNN, CBS, ABC, and other American new stations constantly spewing anti-American and anti-Bush sentiments, do you honestly think the President is brainwashing people? Why isn't Dan Rather already dead (or even proscuted!) for actually using FALSE DOCUMENTS in the name of truth and journalism? Why isn't John Stewart banned from television for his almost daily anti-Bush remarks and political commentary? Why is Michael Moore allowed to roam freely in the streets? You freely accuse the US but ignore the fact Saddam had his very own government run new station.

Patriotism is nothing but a tool used to complete a leader ambitions and a meaning of slavery for ordinary dudes who don't no bloody better
Or maybe it's a real feeling that educated people have and believe in the liberation of other countries. You swear Americans are so easily brainwashed. In the age where sex sells and MTV glorifies Pimping, murderers, and cop-killing, how come we aren't all cop-killers here? I'll tell you why. Because we have brains and we use them and we come up with opinions that don't mesh well with your's. Anyone who agrees with you is regarded by you as somebody who is smart and wise, but find one person who disagrees and they're stupid or brainwashed in your eyes. Open your fucking stupid arrogant mind and look at other people's views.


Also, one final thought.

You cannot force democracy on anyone. Saddam was known for his secret police who murdered or used methods of intimidation against rivals during those so-called elections (one man who actually might have won against Saddam experienced having his wife raped and his children's lives threatened). The US is making sure those elections happen and the Iraqis have decided they want to vote. If they want somebody who hates the US's foreign policies then they'll elect the person and it'll be fine. They can refuse to sell us oil and the free market will go on. We're making sure they have a free election and that the genocide of the Kurds or any other faith in Iraq doesn't happen again.

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Or maybe you're just mad we revealed the UN doesn't enforce jack shit they legislate. North Korea still has nukes despite all this talking, the Sudan's genocide continues to go on with an actual announcement by the UN that they can't find a way to resolve it, and they buy oil illegally from Iraq and then turn around and sell Saddam brand new weaponry (You didn't hear much of the unopened crates loaded with brand-spanking new French-made weapons, did you? Maybe you're the one being brainwashed.)

America did not save europe during ww1. The brits and the french did it, they fought hard for 4 years. America only began sending troops in 1918 when the war was practically over. So in no way did America save us, they contributed to the victory but not as much as the Anglo-French troops did.


WWII is a different story. I don't think we could have held out without the USA. But then again the US couldn't have won without the help of britain and its commenwealth forces, the free french, the free poles, etc.

Russia bore the hardest burden as they had to fight the elite panzer divisions and succeeded in it. Don't even begin with the lend-lease act because the T-34 was superior over any allied tank in the first 3 years of the war. My country wasn't liberated by the USA, the poles and the canadians did.

So according to me, i owe the poles and the canadians more then i owe the usa. especially the canadians because they fought for my countries freedom in both ww's. I still think i owe the americans for what they did in the battle of the bulge and ww2 in total. I owe them for what they did 60 years ago, I owe america nothing now.

all those guys saying 'Europe owes America' are wrong. You didn't fought there, your grand-fathers did. America doesn't owe Europe neither. Could we plz get along, we're still on the same globe.

America: The Home of Free-ish Trade

The United States is disliked, perhaps hated because they are so hypocritical, foolish and at times arrogant.

These are the opinions often heard in my country, Australia; despite our nations being close friends. SEPTIC YANKS.

Perhaps my favorite example is free trade, which the US pledges so greatly too.

Australia and the US have recently signed a free trade deal. Within weeks George W Bush (supported by both houses) put in place new protection, violating the deal.

America complained of Australian Pharmecitual Benefits, a subsidy system to make medicine affordable to the poor (non-protective). But massive American agricultural subisidies are fine.

American subisidies (along with other Ag-aid programs) are so out of whack that in some areas farmers make more profit out of a failed crop than a healthy one.

American sugar protection is the worst (again this was an area where America's idolised FT doesn't apply), where sweets producers, produce in Canada to get affordable sugar.

Not only this, but the Free Trade Agreement came with strings, forcing Australia to model its laws in America's image, having nothing to do with free trade.

I won't even bother mentioning the enviroment.

Why do people hate the US?

We give more humanitarian aide than any other nation ever? The American people ar the first to respond when disaster happens. In 2003 we gave nearly 37% of all humanitarian aide the closest nation the Netherlands gave 12% of all humanitarian aide.

Why do people hate the US for trying to spread democracy around the world?
Why do people hate the US for dying at their expense?
Since when was America an evil nation?

PS-Please give a responsible and honest reply. No random posts please.

Drau, people dislike America for a number of reasons, some valid, some utter unvarnished bullshit.

When faced with representatives like George W.Bush, who are ignorant, bullying bastages who give no respect to any other nation's soverienty unless that nation is in full support of his agenda and actions, it is natural for people from other countries to form a dislike of us based on the idea that he truely represents us and our will.

Our country's government has a recent history of forcing our government's policies onto other nations if they refuse to accept them willingly and in my lifetime has on more than one occasion gone to war on weak pretexts that cover an obvious truth that the agression was not only unasked for by the world community, and not at all based on some moral or ethical desire to give the people of the invaded nations their freedom or democracy but that our government was involving itself and sending in troops to aquire or protect American business interests. I can't think of anyone who would appreciate that even a little.

Most people who dislike Americans have never actually come into contact with more than one or two American citizens in their lives on a personal, face-to-face basis. More often than not, the contact was with tourists who whined incessantly about how shitty the food or accommodations were and didn't make any effort to speak the language of the country they were visiting, rather expecting that EVERYONE should speak English and that anyone who couldn't at least understand English was stupid or retarded. Not exactly what anyone could call a positive impression.

America is an extremely wealthy nation by world standards. We have an amazing amount of land, natural resources and technology. If this alone is not enough to incite at least some envy by others, add to this that we typically misuse what we have, that we are normally fairly lazy by world standards and that we haven't been all that interested in education in this last couple of decades... you begin to get this picture of a nation filled entirely with fat, rich, lazy idiots... which isn't really true, but it is QUITE understandable how the rest of the world might have arrived at that conclusion. Sending idiots like George W into office only reinforces that notion, BTW...

Many Americans have this irresistable need to bludgeon Europeans with our involvement in the two World Wars, holding it over their heads that "they'd all be speaking German" if we didn't "ride in like the cavalry and save the day" for them. This kind of talk only serves to show arrogance and ignorance on the part of Americans. It also makes it seem as though we place no value or relevance on THEIR nations' contributions to those wars. Considering the fact that we arrived fashionably late to BOTH wars and didn't show any inclination to get involved until they looked like they were going to impact OUR country in a negative way... I can see how a lot of Europeans would resent us for the attitude factor alone.

I honestly feel that if we as Americans did not commonly treat people from other countries as if they were all mildly retarded children in need of our guidance, our protection and our so-called morality and approached them as equals, with a little basic respect, that we'd be a lot more popular with the rest of the world DESPITE our moronic, warmongering president. But hey, what do I know? I'm just another dumb, bitchy American.

LOL

Well put Booslandia. A bit harsh maybe... but i bow to you.

Well put Booslandia. A bit harsh maybe... but i bow to you.

I am a very harsh judge. Even harsher on myself than I am on others. *chuckles* But thank you for the compliment. I get so tired of my countrymen whining about "why don't they like us?" when it seems pretty obvious to me.

Why should you care? Let the other jealous mouth-breathers from the other lousy countries bash your beautiful country all they want. They don't know why the fark they even have access to a computer to post their freely-voiced opinions on.

Everyone's jealous of Rome.

I rest my case.

Why should you care? Let the other jealous mouth-breathers from the other lousy countries bash your beautiful country all they want. They don't know why the fark they even have access to a computer to post their freely-voiced opinions on.

Everyone's jealous of Rome.

I would have to agree with Boos.

Talking to some Indians in the office here, they like America and Americans. But they are incensed that on one hand, the US says it wants to kill terrorists (not negotiate with them), and pursue them overseas, and invade countries, but the US admonishes India to engage in peace talks over Kashmir, and to not invade Pakistan.

Hells bells, they *WANT* to invade Pakistan and end the bulls**t (which, by the way, has many coats of varnish on it). They feel that if the US can pursue implacable enemies, then it's good for India to do so as well.

They don't mind that we invaded Iraq. They say Hooray for the US in Iraq!

But don't tell them how to act.

So, maybe Americans should
a) stop supporting the UN - it is a silly place; you're only going to invite sarcastic remarks about the US there.
b) STFU about what other nations should do
c) try to be a bit more consistent in action - either act, or don't act, but stop trying to tread some obscenely vague moral line while running its mouth
d) train American tourists before letting them travel

A decadent empire ruled by an war-loving aristocracy.

Rome fell hard and so will USA one day, hopefully soon. The country is so split now in Liberals and Conservatives that I actually want them to split into a couple of new nations. It would be good to the liberals in the north-east and the pacific. They could make a great society without the hicks in the south. The rest of USA could unite in what they call Jesusland (I'm sorry Jesus) and that would be a kind of wonderful redneck safariland ruled by creationists in white robes. Rome did also split so it is normal. Don't fear the changes to come.

So if USA is Rome then UK must be like Ancient Greece and France is Egypt.
Both superior cultures that make USA feel inferior. Except in the amount of armies...

Isn't it fun with americans who constantly whine about Saddam and WW2 when their own country is being discussed? I met this "we rule the world"-attitude elsewhere and I am sick and tired of it. :)

A decadent empire ruled by an war-loving aristocracy.

Rome fell hard and so will USA one day, hopefully soon. The country is so split now in Liberals and Conservatives that I actually want them to split into a couple of new nations. It would be good to the liberals in the north-east and the pacific. They could make a great society without the hicks in the south. The rest of USA could unite in what they call Jesusland (I'm sorry Jesus) and that would be a kind of wonderful redneck safariland ruled by creationists in white robes.

So if USA is Rome then UK must be like Ancient Greece and France is Egypt.
Both superior cultures that makes USA feel inferior.

Isn't it fun with americans who constantly whine about Saddam and WW2 when their own country is being discussed? I met this "we rule the world"-attitude elesewhere and I am sick and tired of it. :)


It's kind of difficult to discuss America when you're using invalid stereotypes.

It's kind of difficult to explain to someone who gets their perception of America from forums that the South isn't a redneck safariland ruled by creationists in white robes.

Hey, old Metallica rocked. They seem to have misplaced their balls lately.

Cliff Burton was Metallica's balls, and he died after they released Puppets. It was all downhill from there.

Because Americans think God talks to them.

I'm an atheist and an American. If God tried to talk to me, I'd tell him to go to Hell and suck the Devil's greasy cock.

It's kind of difficult to discuss America when you're using invalid stereotypes.

It's kind of difficult to explain to someone who gets their perception of America from forums that the South isn't a redneck safariland ruled by creationists in white robes.
Ok I am sorry. They don't wear robes anymore. But creationism is rising.

The world was created 10,000 years ago by God when he let Adam and Eve live a life without any sins in Eden before they screwed up, or so they say.
"Jesusland" is just as backwards as Saudi Arabia, they are ruled by people that actually believe fairytales rather than science and they want to impose their faith on other people. It will be the end of USA, not of christianity itself but of the right-wing version of it.

Did you know that God talks to Bush, he is a chosen one. And God loves America. God wants America to free the world of sins. Hallelujah, Bush follows God's voice. Must do good in the name of the Lord. Bush is dangerous. :D

As for the safariland...it would be too dangerous...too many guns, too many nuts with guns.

Ok I am sorry. They don't wear robes anymore. But creationism is rising.

The world was created 10,000 years ago by God when he let Adam and Eve live a live without any sins in Eden before they screwed up, or so they say.
"Jesusland" is just as backwards as Saudi Arabia, they are ruled by people that actually believe fairytales rather than science and they want to impose their faith on other people. It will be the end of USA, not of christianity itself but of the right-wing version of it.

As for the safariland...it would be too dangerous...too many guns, too many nuts with guns.

Hmm. So you're saying that a higher level of firearm ownership translates directly to a higher rate of murder?

I guess that's why Norway, which has twice the gun ownership rate of Sweden (per 100,000 people), has half the murder rate of Sweden (per 100,000 people) over the each of the last five years.

Hmm. So you're saying that a higher level of firearm ownership translates directly to a higher rate of murder?

I guess that's why Norway, which has twice the gun ownership rate of Sweden (per 100,000 people), has half the murder rate of Sweden (per 100,000 people) over the each of the last five years.

Well, I know why white american men have to have a gun at home. It is the easy way out of the sins they have committed, or so they are told. They shoot themselves in their head with it, in Kurt Cobain Style. That is so american.

But it is not the actual number of guns, it is the level of education.
1. Norway
2. Sweden
29. USA

:D


So what do you think of the Moral Majority and the rise of creationism in USA? It really gives us a bad example of why it is going backwards in that country. We don't need a huge fundamentalist christian empire in Saudi Arabian style.

...
But it is not the actual number of guns, it is the level of education.
1. Norway
2. Sweden
29. USA


So, basically what you are saying is Swedes are dumber than Norwegians?!? :D

So, basically what you are saying is Swedes are dumber than Norwegians?!? :D
Yeah :D

Norway is the best country in the world according to UN standards.

But Sweden, Canada, Australia and some other countries are up there not letting the norwegians get too much distance ahead. Bloody Oil-sheiks of Scandinavia. ;)

Well, I know why white american men have to have a gun at home. It is the easy way out of the sins they have committed, or so they are told. They shoot themselves in their head with it, in Kurt Cobain Style. That is so american.

But it is not the actual number of guns, it is the level of education.


Then why did you say that we're a more violent country because we have more guns?

And why did the number of suicides by firearm drop by 37 percent in the US while gun ownership went up by 49 percent in the same time period?


So what do you think of the Moral Majority and the rise of creationism in USA? It really gives us a bad example of why it is going backwards in that country. We don't need a huge fundamentalist christian empire in Saudi Arabian style.

You need to catch up on your reading. The term Moral Majority was used in the early 1980s. It's not used today. Creationism has always had an undercurrent in rural areas, including liberal states such as Wisconsin. It's been on the political plate ever since the Scopes trial.

If you think America is turning into a fundamentalist Christian empire, you need to visit here and find out how wrong you are.

Then why did you say that we're a more violent country because we have more guns?
Because too many of the gun owners are plain stupid and dangerous.
There are too little control in too many states of yours.
I know you all love your guns, but please don't take them abroad anymore. ;)


The term Moral Majority was used in the early 1980s.
I know that but it doesn't mean that it has gone away.
The forces that created it are much stronger now. They practically own "Jesusland".


If you think America is turning into a fundamentalist Christian empire, you need to visit here and find out how wrong you are.
Well, I wrote that I know your country is extremely divided. I have been in USA, mostly in liberal California. I have friends living in Alabama and in Georgia. I know the score.

Your president and his friends are working to turn USA into what many people fear: A fundamentalist empire.

shattered revolutions

while i disagree with you on nearly every pointyou make, i want to mitigate our hunt for WOMD.

Iraq is roughly the size of freaking California.

How long would it take you, or ten people, or a hundred people, or even a thousand people to search every inch of California?

They could easily be hidden somewhere.. some place we simply haven't looked yet. Just because they are not in obvious spots does not mean they aren't anywhere in the country.

Unless we've searched everywhere, we cannot be conclusive.

Because too many of the gun owners are plain stupid and dangerous.
There are too little control in too many states of yours.
I know you all love your guns, but please don't take them abroad anymore. ;)


If that's true, then why is it that the gun violence is lowest in the states where concealed carry licenses are easy to obtain? Where gun ownership is higher in the US, gun violence is lower. Where gun control exists, crime and violence are always higher. So why would we need more control?

Know what country in Europe has the highest murder rate? It's Luxembourg. About 11 times more dangerous than Norway, and a higher murder rate that the US, per 100,000 people. And guns are TOTALLY illegal in Luxembourg.

So, is it because they are uneducated, or is it because they're redneck hicks?

I'm European and I don't hate the US or think its an evil country. I've been there and I think that in fact its quite beautiful and the people are very friendly. Now of course I feel the same way about some other countries I have been such as Czechia, but I don't think the US is bad. I have many friends there, and in fact had a lover there.

I do think however that the US as a nation can occasionally both be unforgivably meddlesome (Such as it is in the middle east all the time, from Israel to Iraq. Sometimes understandably to a degree, but sometimes not at all) And I think that the US can be insufferably arrogant at times. (Especially its right wing.)

But all in all, I don't think the US is a bad country. Just annoying at times.
And of course it isn't the best country in the world. Thats MY country. ;) The Netherlands. (Attention all jingoistic patriots, that last sentence was a joke. ;)

Ok I am sorry. They don't wear robes anymore. But creationism is rising.

The world was created 10,000 years ago by God when he let Adam and Eve live a life without any sins in Eden before they screwed up, or so they say.
"Jesusland" is just as backwards as Saudi Arabia, they are ruled by people that actually believe fairytales rather than science and they want to impose their faith on other people. It will be the end of USA, not of christianity itself but of the right-wing version of it.

Did you know that God talks to Bush, he is a chosen one. And God loves America. God wants America to free the world of sins. Hallelujah, Bush follows God's voice. Must do good in the name of the Lord. Bush is dangerous. :D

As for the safariland...it would be too dangerous...too many guns, too many nuts with guns.
This is a very, very skewed view of the United States. I live in the middle of the so-called "Bible Belt" and there are very, very few here who actually still adhere to the "Creation" myth. Are there some? Yes, of course there are. Do they want to impose their beliefs on the rest of us? Yes, but that is a much smaller number.

I would personally oppose anyone who tried to eliminate evolution from the school curriculum and substitute "Creationism," as would the majority of North Carolina voters.

What you have to try and understand is that just because someone calls themselves a "Christian," does NOT mean they support the agenda of SOME fundamentalists'. It does NOT mean they do not accept evolution as valid. It does NOT mean they expect everyone to convert to Chrisitanity. On the contrary, even many who call themselves "fundamentalists" have no wish to impose any of their beliefs on the rest of the population.

I know a great number of those who call themselves "Christians" and a great number of those who refer to themselves as "fundamentalist," or any of a number of other synonyms for fundamentalist. By and large, these are good, kind, gentle people. Many of them are concerned that public schools ( and many other American secular institutions ) are continually undermining their faith and teaching their children things contrary to what their parents are trying to teach them.

I do not defend their beliefs, since I don't believe as they do, but based on my personal knowledge of those who call themselves "Christian fundamentalists," I do defend their rights to protect their beliefs, to teach their children their beliefs, and to defend their beliefs in the "public square." To do less would be to deny MY beliefs, which include allowing others to believe as they wish.

If that's true, then why is it that the gun violence is lowest in the states where concealed carry licenses are easy to obtain? Where gun ownership is higher in the US, gun violence is lower. Where gun control exists, crime and violence are always higher. So why would we need more control?

Know what country in Europe has the highest murder rate? It's Luxembourg. About 11 times more dangerous than Norway, and a higher murder rate that the US, per 100,000 people. And guns are TOTALLY illegal in Luxembourg.

So, is it because they are uneducated, or is it because they're redneck hicks?
Well, there are like 12 people living in Luxembourg. If one happens to get murdered, the murder rate soars. Besides, in the Nordic countries the guns are 90% hunting rifles or shotguns. It's not cool to go kill people with those. Plus it's too cold for that.

I don't think free gun ownership relates very well to low crime rate or vice versa. I could site studies, but thenagain I'm sure you could counter them with others.

What i can't fathom is how somebody can hate a country cos they have free gun ownership and regularly kill eachother... And if you do, isn't that good? If you hate em, isn't it good they kill eachother?


...And back to topic. Americans/USA is hated because...

I don't think free gun ownership relates very well to low crime rate or vice versa. I could site studies, but thenagain I'm sure you could counter them with others.
When North Carolina passed a concealed carry law, violent crime dropped almost 40%

[QUOTE=Draudan]Why do people hate the US?

I hate the US for preety much everything pointed out above^. Although i do think Mettallica are good. Like the point bout Americas economy an how much they spend on humanitarian aid compared to the Netherlands. Another good fact America's scientists on average had a lower IQ than French Firemen.
.Westie.

We hate the US government because it is economically imperialistic, militarily meddeling and irritatingly paranoid. It always needs some vast enemy to be fighting, be it the Communists, the terrorists, or whatever.

You also set up the CIA, which you may never be forgiven for. An agency which is allowed to disobey it's charter as long as it doesn't tell the President should be shut down and destroyed.

Not to mention the boundless hypocracy. Supposedly the US is a free country, which is why you set up political prison camps in other nations, and demand to know if anyone's a member of a communist party. What business is it of your government what people's political affiliation is?
And since you're meant to be a land of liberty, why is the term 'liberal' such a dirty word in the US now?

We hate the US government because it ... always needs some vast enemy to be fighting, be it the Communists, the terrorists, or whatever.

And if we hadn't fought the Nazis, the Communists, etc., what sort of tyranny would YOU now be living under?

You also set up the CIA, which you may never be forgiven for. An agency which is allowed to disobey it's charter as long as it doesn't tell the President should be shut down and destroyed.

The CIA was necessary to protect from those mentioned above, who had NO restraints whatsoever.

Not to mention the boundless hypocracy. Supposedly the US is a free country, which is why you set up political prison camps in other nations, and demand to know if anyone's a member of a communist party. What business is it of your government what people's political affiliation is?

What "prison camps" in what "other nations?" Do you mean POW camps to hold all the Nazis, Communists, terrorists and others we fought? And how can we fight those who want to dominate us ( and YOU ) unless we know who they are???

And since you're meant to be a land of liberty, why is the term 'liberal' such a dirty word in the US now?
Because a number of so-called "liberals" seem to hold the same sort of idiotic ideas you hold.

Kyoto was an anti-american attack scheme trying to penalize America while allowing countries that pollute ten times as much as the US to go unpunished. Kyoto is garbage.
Sorry to burst your bubble of paranoia, but the Kyoto treaty applied equally to all nations.

I do think however that the US as a nation can occasionally both be unforgivably meddlesome...

I agree with you: the US government is unforgivably meddlesome. But it's meddlesome not only with other nations, but with its own citizens. The US government has been allowed to forget its place; the people forgot that the government is a dangerous servant, a destructive force that -- like fire -- must be carefully restrained if it is to do any kind of good.

As an American -- my true name is Matthew Graybosch -- I want you to know that the US government does not represent me, and it acts without my consent or approval. Not that it matters, especially not to those looting, marauding bastards in Washington, DC.

Everyone hates the United States...because they're jealous of it. A nation that can defend itself from virtually any attack possible, has the most money/resources/military might in the world, and for the most part, has a fairly equal social system. Everyone has a chance to express their views, the senate system is the best way of accomplishing the aims of the most of people; not everyone can be satisfied, it's just impossible. And other countries are just fed up with the United States saving the day in world conflict situations. simple

And if we hadn't fought the Nazis, the Communists, etc., what sort of tyranny would YOU now be living under?
The current one, obviously. Where we do as America says or "suffer the consequences". You've bailed us out of two world wars, remember, so we have to support you on every decision, without question.

And if we hadn't fought the Nazis, the Communists, etc., what sort of tyranny would YOU now be living under?

Umm... You didn't actually FIGHT the Soviets, though, did you? Your government spent an awfully long time looking at them very sternly, but never went toe-to-toe, did you?

And as I recall you couldn't be bothered fighting the Nazis until their allies attacked YOU. You're so noble it makes me sick.

The CIA was necessary to protect from those mentioned above, who had NO restraints whatsoever.

And so it installed corrupt dictators in no less than 40 countries (many of which were democracies), it conducted experiments on your own population with such drugs as LSD and PCP, seeking to create the perfect 'Manchurian candidate' assassin, and often disobeyed direct presidential instructions?

What "prison camps" in what "other nations?" Do you mean POW camps to hold all the Nazis, Communists, terrorists and others we fought? And how can we fight those who want to dominate us ( and YOU ) unless we know who they are???

Abu Ghraib. Camp X-Ray. Afghanistan. Cuba.

You even had the gall to say you couldn't be held responsible for human rights violations in Camp X-ray because it wasn't on US soil. It's one of YOUR camps, but it's the Cuban's fault? Again, this US nobility and commitment to freedom makes me very physically sick.

Because a number of so-called "liberals" seem to hold the same sort of idiotic ideas you hold.

Yes, I admit it's just stupid of me to think if you're going to call yourselves the 'Land of the Free', you should actually MEAN it. Gosh, what an idiot I am. And I suppose thinking you should take responsiblity for your actions in prison camps you run is just another 'Idiot Liberal' thing, too.

My ideas may be idiotic, but at least I know what I'm talking about.

Everyone hates the United States...because they're jealous of it. A nation that can defend itself from virtually any attack possible, has the most money/resources/military might in the world, and for the most part, has a fairly equal social system.

Virtually any attack. Can you remember 9/11, or were you actually born yesterday?

You haven't got the most resources. You IMPORT the most. But that's because you use them so utterly irresponsibly.

You haven't got the most money, either. Well, you have, but most of it's borrowed off other people. The Saudi family alone owns 7% of your entire economy.

Yes, you have the best military. So has every bad-guy nation in history. Like, ooooh, the Nazis, or the USSR.

And yes, your social system could be worse. But it could be a lot better. So why does your government insist on telling other nations how to run themselves?

As an American -- my true name is Matthew Graybosch -- I want you to know that the US government does not represent me, and it acts without my consent or approval. Not that it matters, especially not to those looting, marauding bastards in Washington, DC.

And I'd like to make it clear I don't hate AMERICANS. You guys are just normal people. It's your government I hate, and it's been getting worse and worse and steadily more right-wing since Kennedy was shot.

Those Americans who assume anyone speaking out against your neo-conservative government is evil because they 'hate America', grow up and take a look at the Patriot Act.

Ok I am sorry. They don't wear robes anymore. But creationism is rising.

The world was created 10,000 years ago by God when he let Adam and Eve live a life without any sins in Eden before they screwed up, or so they say.
"Jesusland" is just as backwards as Saudi Arabia, they are ruled by people that actually believe fairytales rather than science and they want to impose their faith on other people. It will be the end of USA, not of christianity itself but of the right-wing version of it.

Did you know that God talks to Bush, he is a chosen one. And God loves America. God wants America to free the world of sins. Hallelujah, Bush follows God's voice. Must do good in the name of the Lord. Bush is dangerous. :D

As for the safariland...it would be too dangerous...too many guns, too many nuts with guns.


You forgot to allocate a small independant part where people like myself who have no such affiliations with backwoods ignorance and bigorty or blind faith in some other person's god can live in peace and freedom, entertaining foriegners with our odd ideas about social equality and freedom without restrictions based on stupid things like age, sex, religion, race or the like. It might even become a popular tourist spot where people can marvel at art and architecture or stay for extended visits to study in their Universities in an amicable exchange of culture. You'd have to beware though, because the inhabitants wouldn't remain very friendly if they caught you giving its same-sex and interracial couples a hard time or pushing any given religion or moral agenda to its citizens...

You forgot to allocate a small independant part where people like myself who have no such affiliations with backwoods ignorance and bigorty or blind faith in some other person's god can live in peace and freedom, entertaining foriegners with our odd ideas about social equality and freedom without restrictions based on stupid things like age, sex, religion, race or the like. It might even become a popular tourist spot where people can marvel at art and architecture or stay for extended visits to study in their Universities in an amicable exchange of culture. You'd have to beware though, because the inhabitants wouldn't remain very friendly if they caught you giving its same-sex and interracial couples a hard time or pushing any given religion or moral agenda to its citizens...

Yeah, but Boo, the problem is that it IS "a small independant part". You need to seize control. Boo for governor of Texas!!

According to what I read two carrier battlegroups are being dispatched to the tsunami area to treat the sick and wounded and provide food and drinking water.

Come, now. That is nowhere close to their primary function. Sure, it's great that Navy guys are helping those affected by the tsunamis, but if they had business to do killing civilians in some "oppressive" regime, they would be there in a second and wouldn't give a second's care about the tsunami victims.

You just simply cannot spread democracy and peace by guns. Not all people who don't agree with You are "axis of evil"...

You just simply cannot spread democracy and peace by guns. Not all people who don't agree with You are "axis of evil"...

This has to be one of the most insightful posts so far. Democracy is the will of the people, and in some places the people don't WANT democracy. I don't think they're particularly wise for that, but you can't force it on the. It's like making people have a good time with a gun to their heads.

Did You know that US has the biggest censorship at the moment. You are starting to look quite a much identical with the former Soviet Union or Eastern-Germany.

Your people are OK I guess, but the leaders suck...

dp

other interesting Google search ..."torture school"

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What "prison camps" in what "other nations?".

do the Google thing...try "outsourcing torture"

or clik this
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22outsourcing+torture%22&btnG=Google+Search&meta=

Why do people hate the US?

We give more humanitarian aide than any other nation ever? The American people ar the first to respond when disaster happens. In 2003 we gave nearly 37% of all humanitarian aide the closest nation the Netherlands gave 12% of all humanitarian aide.

Why do people hate the US for trying to spread democracy around the world?
Why do people hate the US for dying at their expense?
Since when was America an evil nation?

PS-Please give a responsible and honest reply. No random posts please.

*sighs*

"A cynic is a man who knows the price of everything but the value of nothing" - Oscar Wilde.

France, in the years after their successful revolution, sought to 'export revolution', and greatly troubled Europe with their efforts under Napoleon. Nobody asked for the French to 'free' them from their monarchies - all it did was to waste human life needlessly, for political ends. In the end, nearly all of Europe did away with their existing political structures, and embraced representative forms of government - but in spite of the French meddling, not because of it.

Change is inevitable; change is natural. But change comes from within, not from without. If America truly wants the rest of the planet to change to representative forms of government, they should do no more than to lead by example. Foisting change on people only builds resentment and hostility. I think it is an absolute crying shame that America will have to re-learn this important lesson. The biggest shame of all is that, just as with Europe and Napoleon, there will be terrible loss of life along the way.

As to people hating the US for 'dying at their expense', well... how does the deaths of US servicemen in Iraq equate to 'dying at my expense'? They aren't there preventing the fall of the West, they're not helping me in any way, shape, or form - Iraq ain't Nazi Germany, and this ain't WWII. This is about lining the pockets of a few old men who, satisfied with their own designer jacuzzis and inground swimming pools, wish their grandchildren to enjoy ones of their own. There's no hatred there - just bewilderment and stupefaction.

You want to die for oil and the pocketbooks of old men? Be my guest. Don't ask me to feel any sympathy, though. That's just plain dumb.

America was never an 'evil' nation, until it began seeing the rest of the world as 'interests' instead of 'allies'. Until the cynics took hold of the reigns of power. I won't say, 'Bush!'...this began long before the Shrub was done with coke and DUIs...Bush is just the latest cynic to hold the top position in the US. Read up a bit and see if I'm so terribly wrong.

There. Reasonable, honest, and not at all random.

Happy?


DT.

I agree with Dobbs Town.
And about the US giving more humanitarian aid than anyone else, hey you have got so much more money than, for an exemple, the Netherlands.

Oh, and i dont hate America. I just dont like some things.

Maybe we should just let them not work at all and see how unemployment treats them. I'm sure they'd be better off.

Or maybe, we should work to see that safe labor practices and decent wage standards are in place so that they can one day crawl out of the gutter and make something more than that shitty t-shirt you are wearing.

Well let's look at a recent example. Say... the tsunami disaster for example. The US were not the first to respond, so your first post is incorrect anyways.

Coln Powell (sorry, I can't be bothered to check the spelling of his name) is on tv every time we turn it on, declaring how fantastic the US is for offering so much aid to those affected by the disaster and giving them so much support. Well, compared to how much money the US has and spends every day, what proportion of that is actually going towards humanitarian aid to help these people.

Not a hell of a lot.

Other than that America is too big, too obnoxious, and too damn rich. :rolleyes:

I don't know. Personaly I'm not so found of it at the moment. Maybe because some Americans aren't the modest people around. Offcourse I'm European, so not less biased.

Lower costs means a lower per-unit price meaning companies can afford to lower prices. Its what they do to stay competitive. Thats the whole reason for outsourcing. Its why McDonalds can afford to put little toys in everyones happymeal.


Where do you shop at? I haven't seen my prices drop, just the quality of my goods. Lower per unit price means that companies can take in more profit. Rarely is that lower cost passed on to the consumer. When it does happen (as in the case of walmart) you have a major dilema on your hands. Should you buy these cheap goods which are driving american manufacturers out of business or overseas because they can't compete with the dirt cheap crap coming from china or do you suck it up, pay 10 more cents and sleep at night with a clear consceince knowing that your 1 gallon jar of pickles has not cost the job of 50+ american workers? As far as Mcdonalds goes, maybe they should be more concerned about putting a piece of fruit or some nutritional information instead of a shitty toy (made in a foreign country to promote some god awful movie that contributes to the further dumbing down of our children) in their happy meals so that those kids will leave to eat another big mac at the age of 35.

Nice one Dobbs Town. With Booslandia you have made the score 2 - 114. I admire self-critique (I assume you are from the USA). People who stop to think before replying to criticism, I salute you.

Well let's look at a recent example. Say... the tsunami disaster for example. The US were not the first to respond, so your first post is incorrect anyways.

Coln Powell (sorry, I can't be bothered to check the spelling of his name) is on tv every time we turn it on, declaring how fantastic the US is for offering so much aid to those affected by the disaster and giving them so much support. Well, compared to how much money the US has and spends every day, what proportion of that is actually going towards humanitarian aid to help these people.

Not a hell of a lot.

Other than that America is too big, too obnoxious, and too damn rich. :rolleyes:


The first figure the US quoted they'd give was $35 million. Sounds like a lot, huh?

Bush's re-inaugration ceremony is going to cost $40 million. People are dying and homeless, and the US twiddled it's thumbs for a bit until it'd seen how much other countries were giving, and then decided to give 10% less than it was spending on a pointless ceremony.

I'm aware they increased it tenfold, but that's still less than the US spends in Iraq each week killing people. How enormously charitable.

The first figure the US quoted they'd give was $35 million.
Didn't Bush first say 35 billion?

Nice one Dobbs Town. With Booslandia you have made the score 2 - 114. I admire self-critique (I assume you are from the USA). People who stop to think before replying to criticism, I salute you.

Bducks, thanks. I haven't read the rest of the post, though. Booslandia and I are the only ones to score from this side of the fence? I should post more often.

Sorry, though - I am from North America, but I'm not American. I'm just another one of those opionated Canadians that my neighbours to the south like to ignore.

Peace,

DT.

Didn't Bush first say 35 billion?

No, that would be absurd. He'd only have said that because Bush is a total idiot-boy. They're only giving 350 million now, which is still only a tiny faction of 35 billion.

I didn't mean he was actually gonna give 35 billion. But there was this thread where he accidentily did blurt it out. 350 million. Cheap bastard.

Didn't Bush first say 35 billion?he gave 13 billion to florida...So 35 Billion would be overkill.

on the other hand...how many billions is he wasting bombing Iraq?

he gave 13 billion to florida...So 35 Billion would be overkill.

on the other hand...how much is he wasting bombing Iraq?
Or on an increasing war...eermm defence budget. That killed the Soviets in the end. :D

Or on an increasing war...eermm defence budget. That killed the Soviets in the end. :D

You mean it wasn't Ronald Reagan? :rolleyes:

You mean it wasn't Ronald Reagan? :rolleyes:

Reagan couldn't have tied his shoelaces. He's the only man in history Altzheimers made MORE intelligent.

You mean it wasn't Ronald Reagan? :rolleyes:
:rolleyes: No. A military budget bigger then the Unions GDP could handle.

I didn't mean he was actually gonna give 35 billion. But there was this thread where he accidentily did blurt it out. 350 million. Cheap bastard.

Germany allone is giving more then the US, so together with the other EU nations and the donations of the Commission, the continent is like allways the big spender on help. BTW, like the UN officials say, they are still waiting at formerly promised money (donations) by the US. Words are easy for them but when they have to pay the bill.... :rolleyes:

Germany allone is giving more then the US, so together with the other EU nations and the donations of the Commission, the continent is like allways the big spender on help. BTW, like the UN officials say, they are still waiting at formerly promised money (donations) by the US. Words are easy for them but when they have to pay the bill.... :rolleyes:
Next thing you know they tell them they owe the US for saving them from the Japanese.

I don't like how the USA interchanges words and dilutes the meanings.
I don't like how the USA calls itself a democracy. It IS NOT a democracy. Read your constitution!

The problem is that no matter whom you help, it angers someone else. The short version is simply that when we choose to offer help to a side in a conflict, the other side is less than happy. We offer humanitarian aid to the Palestinians, and have for years... But not as much aid as we offer the Israelis, so Palestinians view our choices negatively. But if you don't hold relations and offer support to anyone, then everyone hates you, so what do you do?

In the end, when dealing with international relations, you just choose who to piss off, and who not to based upon the needs of your country. Some of our post-cold-war allies clearly abuse our friendship for their gain, and we should reconsider the amount of aid/depth of relations we have with them, other countries have consistently offered us support with less aid from us.

Overall, the U.S. is written up as wrong no matter what we do in our own press, who is reasonably certain that they know better than the rest of us. Other countries read our press and pick up our newsfeeds, and this doesn't help with our image. The schools being built in Iraq and the hospitals being resupplied do not make good press, so they're not covered... But if the press doesn't report them, then how are people to hear about it?

The nation of Fantis is isolationist. That way at least we keep the billions of dollars while everyone hates us. :)

So here's what I'm seeing so far.

America is bad because we interefere with other countries.

Let's use Iraq for an example:
Yes. The people should have risen up against Saddam with their farming equipment and poor health and overthrown him!
Face it. The majority of people wanted Saddam gone but couldn't get rid of him through an armed uprising, nor through an election because Saddam's close followers would either assasinate or use violent methods of intimidation toward anyone who runs against him.
After all those times he booted the UN inspectors (not American inspectors, UN inspectors) who were searching for weapons of mass destruction, did you honestly believe at that moment he didn't have anything to hide?
Maybe you don't remember but I coulda sworn the UN put sanctions on Saddam so he was limited to selling oil ONLY if it would be used for things to improve the lives of his people. From what's been found out since the start of the war is that he was violating those sanctions with the UN. That seems to be reason enough to remove him. America is greedy yet I bet there's a government official in your country who's been illegally getting money or oil from Saddam.

As for the post on Pakistan, they've actually shown they're willing to cooperate in things like the search for Osama Bin Laden and already have helped us greatly in either killing or capturing high level Al Qaeda terrorists.


Here's what I don't hear.

America gets things done. Saddam violated UN sanctions and the US exposed it. The elections in Iraq are going to be held and that's that. They can elect somebody who hates the US and that'll be fine. We just want them to have actual elections.

The UN is a joke. Genocide in the Sudan and nothing happening from the UN to resolve it? North Korea with nukes and nothing being done to stop them? Iran getting nukes and nothing happening there either? The UN do anything in Africa during the genocide that happened there?

And here's a thought.

Maybe the US government could contribute more to the tsunami victims if we were getting illegal oil kickbacks from Saddam. Where was our UN money when those hurricanes devastated Florida or those massive wildfires that consumed California's landscape? I agree they are nowhere near the life loss in Asia but we didn't even get a notice by the UN.

A comedian once said that Americans were just like everybody else in the world - except that they cannot experience shame :D

Serriously though it's your government that's the main problem. To get elected in America you need to get the backing of wealthy business' (who may or may not happen to have thier own agendas) and you also have to act like some sort of movie star; performing infront of huge crowds, kissing babies, saying 'God bless America' as many times as humanly possible. Then if somebody dares to question the president they are suddenly set upon, called unpatriotic or told 'if you don't like it go back to [insert country of origin]. God forbid that the most powerfull man on the planet be accountable in the eyes of others.
Your foriegn policy also earns you no respect, I'll quote Morrisey here to sum it up "I love you [America], I just wish you'd stay where you piss".

Germany allone is giving more then the US, so together with the other EU nations and the donations of the Commission, the continent is like allways the big spender on help. BTW, like the UN officials say, they are still waiting at formerly promised money (donations) by the US. Words are easy for them but when they have to pay the bill.... :rolleyes:

yeah cuz its so fair to compare your whole continent of industrialized nations to our one US. if you get to do that, we get to combine our donation amounts with canada. and mexico and central america and the caribbean, but i really don't think those ones would add up to much money.
and when we have to pay the bill we pay the frikkin bill.
also it's Formally promised, not Formerly, genius.

yeah cuz its so fair to compare your whole continent of industrialized nations to our one US. if you get to do that, we get to combine our donation amounts with canada. and mexico and central america and the caribbean, but i really don't think those ones would add up to much money.
and when we have to pay the bill we pay the frikkin bill.
also it's Formally promised, not Formerly, genius.
Well, isnt it sir? You are the United States of America, we are the European Union. We can't compare the USA to EU? And where the fuck do you think 'fair' comes in the equation? It's aid for C's sakes! The recipients hardly care who is it from.

the point is everyone hates us because we generally have more money than they do, we are smarter than they are, and we know what we are doing in the world because we are the last superpower. think im biased, sure i am. think im ignorant? well you are either a stupid liberal or an idiot from another country who is just jealous. but i really dont care how the world views us because, we are the best.

Well, isnt it sir? You are the United States of America, we are the European Union. We can't compare the USA to EU?
You can, but it has to come with an asterisk. As does a direct comparion of the USA to, say, France. Since the enlargement, the EU has opened up a significant population gap of over 33%.

also it's Formally promised, not Formerly, genius.

Poor form, Smoltz. Get used to poor spelling and grammar in these posts. Some things get past even the best of us; it's considered impolite to deride people for it.


DT.

who cares about the EU? europe is losing population faster than the titanic gained water. in one hundred years where will europe be? who knows. in one hundred years the US will still be in the same place, on top

the point is everyone hates us because we generally have more money than they do, we are smarter than they are, and we know what we are doing in the world because we are the last superpower. think im biased, sure i am. think im ignorant? well you are either a stupid liberal or an idiot from another country who is just jealous. but i really dont care how the world views us because, we are the best.

who cares about the EU? europe is losing population faster than the titanic gained water. in one hundred years where will europe be? who knows. in one hundred years the US will still be in the same place, on top

:D Lol! LBK and his kind are why people don't like America

You can, but it has to come with an asterisk. As does a direct comparion of the USA to, say, France. Since the enlargement, the EU has opened up a significant population gap of over 33%.
And of course those new EU memberstates were donating-a-plenty...? But this is not what I want... no more 'who is better'. More of 'how can we help?'.

:D Lol! LBK and his kind are why people don't like America

Probably. I'm an American, though, and I'm not acting like that.

:D Lol! LBK and his kind are why people don't like America

Agreed. It's this kind of blind ethnocentricity that gives America its horrible image. It's the people in America who are convinced that America is the best country on the planet without even having visited any other country.

Agreed. It's this kind of blind ethnocentricity that gives America its horrible image. It's the people in America who are convinced that America is the best country on the planet without even having visited any other country.

Now you're just generalizing and stereotyping Americans. Not all Americans are blind ethnocentrists.

Yes, i am certain that my country is the best in the world. you think this is a blind fascination with this little superpower i live in? lets see, people in other countries are jerks too but do they get the rep? no. costa rica had nice people til they found out you didnt want to buy any trinkets. canada is great cause you are giving them money. mexico is nice until you wouldnt buy their drugs. oh and the english are just miserable, look at the weather. do i have to add any more? you people think you are better than americans, well you guys are just pussies who cant get your own nation off of its feet and actually do some work. humanitarian money? what does that have to do with anything? the tsunami killed thousands, but its just natures way of thinning the herd. fine lets have it your way and take america off the face of the earth. oh snap, who is gonna buy all of the other countries shit? not me

Yeah, but Boo, the problem is that it IS "a small independant part". You need to seize control. Boo for governor of Texas!!

Oh ye gawds no! I'd make a horrible politician! I'd end up telling 3/4 of the population to quit bitching about each other and get a life after legalizing and regulating prostitution and soft drugs, mandating compulsory temporary sterilization of all people on welfare (to be reversed only once welfare was no longer being recieved), putting a death penalty on drunk driving, revoking the tax-free status of all religious organizations, legalizing gay marriage and disbanding the party system completely... they'd shoot me faster than they got Kennedy and people would hate me more than they ever did Reagan. It would be utter anarchy.

But oh, what a sweet dream...

You wanted a sincere answer. You´ll get it.

I don´t know anybody to hate the people of the USA. Not me, not anybody.

If you ask me , if I hate the US government, yes I do. And many many people in a lot of countries with me.

What you call democracy - if you want to see it or not - is a pure and brutal dictatorship. If you wanna belive, Bush and his terrorist gang started the Iraqui war for human or democratical reasons, just wake up. It was (and is!) oil. Trying to dominate that region.

Guantanamo is the most illegal and horrible thing in the world as long as countries are concerned which consider themselves democratic. Mistreating people without any judge pronouncing himself, without even a lawyer for those people arrested there.

Bush, Rumsfeld, even Powell told lies over lies to justify the war against Irak.

Today it was known that the US govenment will arrest people suspicious of terrorism (again without lawyers, judges and any protection for those "suspicious" folks) in jails all around the world for lifetime! They laugh about the UN, they laugh about justice, international laws. They ignore the very important Kyoto protocol (my world, my air!), the Den Haag tribunal.

Germany and Spain, for to give you only two examples, spend only 0,35 and 0,34% for the aid to the so called third world inspite of haviing agreed 0,7% minimum in Rio de Janeiro 1992. This is only topped by the guys from Washington with 0,12%.

Terrorism is mainly a product of US-ignorance and what they call democracy. I understand that you see it a different way with all that propaganda driving you nuts in USA. But even there you have good newspapers where you may read the truth if you wanted to.

Bush (remember what I say) will attack Iran as next country after Irak. This government is exactly the contrary to what they pretend to be. Inhuman, anti-democratic and cruel. We all suffer from it.

And I cannot at all understand how anybody can support this no. 1 terrorist called Bush&Co.

If I hate the US? - Not at lla. I have many friends there.
If I hate Bush & Co? Yes, very much and they make me afraid.
If I hate those who support Bush & Co and are not able to see the reality?
No, I feel very sorry for them.

This world is going the wrong way. And especially the US government (with helpers Aznar, Blair ...) is directly responsable for it.

The crazy thing about it: You will live more than only one 11S. And I bet, if something like that happens again, you will still not understand, that lack of justice, hunger and desesperation are the base for all that.

Please, excuse my bad engish, I had only 10 minutes for this text. But you wanted an answer ... and I really wanted to give it to you.

the point is everyone hates us because we generally have more money than they do, we are smarter than they are, and we know what we are doing in the world because we are the last superpower. think im biased, sure i am. think im ignorant? well you are either a stupid liberal or an idiot from another country who is just jealous. but i really dont care how the world views us because, we are the best.

LBK, your stupid is showing, dearie. Stop making us look bad and go back to your room to wank to naked photos of Rush Limbaugh until you gain enough intelligence to stop reinforcing the horriffic steriotype of the ignorant, jackass American.

your little rant on the US government was nice, but the fact that it has worked for over two hundred years leaves something to be said. but why not comment on stalin or hitler or mao? how many americans has bush killed? maybe ten thousand at most, that is nothing more than a drop in the bucket my foreign friend. and the horrible policies, if they are so bad why did the american public re-elect him? after all that liberal media, americans are pretty well informed. well i just wanted some answers to those questions

my intelligence? well the fact that i actually have opinions on things does make me intelligent. oh and because we do live in america and it is a free country i can fuckin wank off to any porn i like you limey bastard.

down with capitalism!!!!!!!!!

the point is everyone hates us because we generally have more money than they do, we are smarter than they are, and we know what we are doing in the world because we are the last superpower. think im biased, sure i am. think im ignorant? well you are either a stupid liberal or an idiot from another country who is just jealous. but i really dont care how the world views us because, we are the best.

HA HA HA

Noob

This gets a quote of the month from D-Town.

my intelligence? well the fact that i actually have opinions on things does make me intelligent. oh and because we do live in america and it is a free country i can fuckin wank off to any porn i like you limey bastard.

Wait, this one is even FUNNIER.

Maybe he'll go one better.

What a wit-!


DT.

now are you trying to degrade me or just saying that im a funny guy or are you saying im stupid. just wondering

the us is a stupid,gulible country that fights for "world peace and freedom"

saddam husain was a bad man, but i wont buy that bush wanted to get rid of him, alot of it had to do with the oil
they have a stupid accent and drive unnessesarly big cars, that pollute
they also do and believe anything that a pollitition says:

"we will rid iraq of weapons of mass destruction, by using weapons of mass destruction"

??????????????????????????? :headbang:

Now you're just generalizing and stereotyping Americans. Not all Americans are blind ethnocentrists.


Which is why I said "this kind of blind ethnocentrism," as referring to LBK's post, not as referring to all Americans.

now are you trying to degrade me or just saying that im a funny guy or are you saying im stupid. just wondering

You tell me, sparky. While you're wondering, I'm awestruck.

you steal our language, then go and change it insisting that you are right. you want to spread democracy around but one problem does everyone want democracy? it may be the best option but they dont want it!! and another thingu go into another country and take over it because you dont agree with the way it is being run, but if we (the UK) had taken that role then we would have gone in and conquered you because we abolished slavery before you! you see! we're normal you're just overpowering. (not that i have anything gainst the USA as i have relatives over there and hey do but good presents:D)

you steal our language, then go and change it insisting that you are right. you want to spread democracy around but one problem does everyone want democracy? it may be the best option but they dont want it!! and another thingu go into another country and take over it because you dont agree with the way it is being run, but if we (the UK) had taken that role then we would have gone in and conquered you because we abolished slavery before you! you see! we're normal you're just overpowering. (not that i have anything gainst the USA as i have relatives over there and hey do but good presents:D)

i compleatly agree, and i think Bush is a compleate f*$%ing wa!$&r

so everyone here thinks im some kinda of joke. well im sorry if im an overzealous patriot for my country. im sorry that you others do not have the same undying love for what has been brought to you by the blood and guts of others. im sorry for that dirty british person who dosent remember the rise and fall of the british empire

so everyone here thinks im some kinda of joke. well im sorry if im an overzealous patriot for my country. im sorry that you others do not have the same undying love for what has been brought to you by the blood and guts of others. im sorry for that dirty british person who dosent remember the rise and fall of the british empire
shouldnt you be busy taking over the world?

what countries can stand up to the united states?

so everyone here thinks im some kinda of joke. well im sorry if im an overzealous patriot for my country. im sorry that you others do not have the same undying love for what has been brought to you by the blood and guts of others. im sorry for that dirty british person who dosent remember the rise and fall of the british empire

Like all empires America shall have it's aswell.