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Assuming that you can't use a gun, or other form of ranged weapon, what kind of melee weapon, like a sword, or a spear, or what have you, would you use?
Personally, I'd use my own unique weapon. Basically, it's a staff five feet long, made of metal, with a seven inch long serrated spear point on both ends. Deadly, and efficiant. So, what would you all use?

Probably a Rapier.

A pen.

A samuri sword, or a double bladed battle axe.

Also Louisville Sluggers are fun, I'll knock their blocks off!! :mad:

Assuming that you can't use a gun, or other form of ranged weapon, what kind of melee weapon, like a sword, or a spear, or what have you, would you use?
Personally, I'd use my own unique weapon. Basically, it's a staff five feet long, made of metal, with a seven inch long serrated spear point on both ends. Deadly, and efficiant. So, what would you all use?
i think they have that already, if you can think of it, some one has already and has made it

maknig the stsaaff out of metal seems pretty dubm so i doubt that has happened

A big club with spikes on it.

Personally, I'd use my own unique weapon. Basically, it's a staff five feet long, made of metal, with a seven inch long serrated spear point on both ends. Deadly, and efficiant. So, what would you all use?

I'm not sure that's unique... someone's bound to have come up with the idea before.

Anyway, I'd use a samurai sword. It's a cliche, but they are pretty deadly.

I'm not sure that's unique... someone's bound to have come up with the idea before.

Anyway, I'd use a samurai sword. It's a cliche, but they are pretty deadly.
Are you certain? I wasn't sure if mine was unique or not; I just had never heard of the concept before, so I didn't know. And I haven't really found anything when I searched for it either. Oh, and those are called katanas.

i think they have that already, if you can think of it, some one has already and has made it


What about my parallelogram shaped sword?

my feet. Effectively for running.

I'm thinking a Bardische, though id need a katana and a long dagger for closer combat.

My charm.

And a chainsaw.

Good question... I've always been a flail guy myself. You know, stick, chain on it, with a ball on the end? (Not to be confused with a morningstar.) Flails are my deal. You can crush bones and shit with those.

Good question... I've always been a flail guy myself. You know, stick, chain on it, with a ball on the end? (Not to be confused with a morningstar.) Flails are my deal. You can crush bones and shit with those.
I've never been able to use a flail; I've always bonked myself on the head with them. >_>

How could i not see it, a board with a nail in it... theres a danger of world destruction but its a risk im willing to take.

I'm thinking a Bardische, though id need a katana and a long dagger for closer combat.
traditionally, a wakizashi there

Good question... I've always been a flail guy myself. You know, stick, chain on it, with a ball on the end? (Not to be confused with a morningstar.) Flails are my deal. You can crush bones and shit with those.

Meh. You need to be relatively skilled not to whack yourself with it though. When I say 'relatively skilled' I actually mean 'more skilled than me'.

A tank.

A Philipino Barang, a heavy leaf-shaped sword for hacking and slicing also effective for stabbing, and a long dagger. I'm pretty well trained with Philipino weapons, and can probably do some serious damage against most people.

Beware the mighty Spatula!

A tank.

A close combat tank? Does it have a pair of boxing gloves stuck on the front or something? :)

traditionally, a wakizashi there

I'm sorry that went over my head.

*makes sentance wooshing over head motion*

A close combat tank? Does it have a pair of boxing gloves stuck on the front or something? :)

I think you'll find that getting run over by a tank is an effective melee tactic.

A tank.
Negative; that's not allowed. We're talking something like a sword here, mate, not a freaking vehicle.

I'm sorry that went over my head.

*makes sentance wooshing over head motion*

Wakizashi is a Japanese short sword, like a Katana is a Japanese long sword. If you want their version of a dagger, that's a Tanto.

A short sword. Something that is easy to move, reasonably light, yet heavy enough to slice. And good for the stab.

Oh yeah, lightsaber would be good too. :D

Are you certain? I wasn't sure if mine was unique or not; I just had never heard of the concept before, so I didn't know. And I haven't really found anything when I searched for it either.

Have you seen the movie "Troy"?

In the battle between Achilles and Hector, Achilles uses a double-headed spear before drawing his sword. I don't believe it has a special name, but it certainly isn't a complicated weapon to make. The idea of sticking a spike to the handle isn't a tough concept to come up with either, I've seen a pole-axe with a spike at both ends.

Ah the short sword... i dont like the feel of those... see these names are just so easy to forget. id stick with the long sword i think.

I'm sorry that went over my head.

*makes sentance wooshing over head motion*
the usual long dagger accompanying a katana is a wakizashi

A very large, very deadly pen.

Negative; that's not allowed. We're talking something like a sword here, mate, not a freaking vehicle.

My tank would beat your sword any day.

Well thats it them im kitted out... see you lot later after my killing sp... discussion.

My penis

*giggle*

Well thats it them im kitted out... see you lot later after my killing sp... discussion.

Ah, you're going to 'meet your friends' down the mall, are you?

Have you seen the movie "Troy"?

In the battle between Achilles and Hector, Achilles uses a double-headed spear before drawing his sword. I don't believe it has a special name, but it certainly isn't a complicated weapon to make. The idea of sticking a spike to the handle isn't a tough concept to come up with either, I've seen a pole-axe with a spike at both ends.
Actually, no I hadn't. I guess it's not original then, though I make them serrated and non detachable; basically, my own version of it.

a balanced polearm, essentially a staff with a six inch blade on one end and a metal cap on the other, I'm pretty good with a staff and figure one with a blade on one end and a metal thing for balance and thwoking people with on the other can't be much different.

Depends. I do reenactment and prefer a pole arm, in my case an naginata, when fighting in rank. For 1-on-1 im all for a short sword and a dagger for back-up/brawling distance. I have a falchion that really fits me, but it is too heavy for extended fighting.

A Smallpox infected blanket.

A lobster (really big one like 200 lbs.).

A pissed off Kodiak bear in heat.

A spitting cobra.

A herring!

A very large, very deadly pen.
A la the Lost Empire, eh? ;)

Ah, you're going to 'meet your friends' down the mall, are you?

Something like that... i think i might take a trip to the fake blood shop... not that it wouldnt be fake blood and in no way realy blood... HA HA HA WHAT A SILLY THING OF YOU TO THINK...

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Excuse me for a second.

My penis

*giggle*


Well, in that case let's use mine, small-fry. Haven't you heard the expression: "The penis is mightier then the sword."

a winged elephant with cs up its trunk so it snorted cs at your eyes, gwa ha ha yha ha ha ha

fly my pretties fly!

wait, you haven't heard mine. I came up with the concept of combining a sword and an axe. so it's a sword with the top of it having a large swell and a weighted jewel for more power behind the blow. So I figure this thing could cut limbs off with very little effort, probably on the first swing.

wait, you haven't heard mine. I came up with the concept of combining a sword and an axe. so it's a sword with the top of it having a large swell and a weighted jewel for more power behind the blow. So I figure this thing could cut limbs off with very little effort, probably on the first swing.

An urgosh?

wait, you haven't heard mine. I came up with the concept of combining a sword and an axe. so it's a sword with the top of it having a large swell and a weighted jewel for more power behind the blow. So I figure this thing could cut limbs off with very little effort, probably on the first swing.

Yeah if you like your blade unbalanced, trust me its easier in the long run to have a properly balanced sword.

That weapon is not unique - It has been invented a ton of times in various fantasy/sci-fi RPGs, but attempts at replicating the idea in real life proves very unhandy unless you're Arnold Schwarzenegger(as a youth, with better reflexes on top).

Flails are good, but only if they're light - you'll want to entangle as well as bludgeon. Other than that, give me a machete or gurkha kukri, preferably double wielding.

AC

A simple fighting staff (as long as an average man is tall), no metal, just solid, hard wood. Light enough to be wieldy, hard enough to kill.

What would I be fighting against? Against a single, unarmored opponent, probably a rapier -- it's quick and it's got reach. Basically, though, I consider any fight where you have to use a melee weapon to already be lost. If a handgun is something you use to fight your way to a real weapon, a sword is nothing more than a toy.

Personally, since I cannot effectively wield any melee weapon, I'd pay a lot more attention to what I'd be wearing -- STL-impregnated full-body stab-proof (NIJ level III) armor.

I'll stick to my staff though; I've never been proficient at other weapons. I only added the spear points so I could slash and stab in addition to bashing; basically, my fighting style is quick and heavy, intended to disarm and disembowel quickly without giving my opponent time to react.

not an urgosh, no. think more of a battle axe with one end hacked off, then the bottom end of the half remaining goes all the way down to the hilt (which would be added)

I suppose it would be close to a re-modeled falchion, but the shape is dramatically different

I would use a lasso and ride in on a thermonuclear bomb.

What would I be fighting against? Against a single, unarmored opponent, probably a rapier -- it's quick and it's got reach. Basically, though, I consider any fight where you have to use a melee weapon to already be lost. If a handgun is something you use to fight your way to a real weapon, a sword is nothing more than a toy.

Personally, since I cannot effectively wield any melee weapon, I'd pay a lot more attention to what I'd be wearing -- STL-impregnated full-body stab-proof (NIJ level III) armor.
We're talking about situations where it's impossible to use such weapons, or such weapons aren't invented, or what have you. Basically, what you would use; the concept isn't that hard to grasp. Don't make it to be more than it is. ;)

I'll stick to my staff though; I've never been proficient at other weapons. I only added the spear points so I could slash and stab in addition to bashing; basically, my fighting style is quick and heavy, intended to disarm and disembowel quickly without giving my opponent time to react.

Let me link you to a picture of a Bardische... lots of people seem to want them but keep thinking staff with points.

http://www.lancasters-armourie.co.uk/bard.htm

Without training -> A sax, like a falchion, cleaving weapon made of soft steel - so it won't shatter.
With training -> No-Dachi (Very long Samurai sword) or Katana.

In my little world of craziness -> a Plastic Fork and a Pointy Stick.

I've handled a military police baton before, they're pretty nasty. Just over a foot long, nearly an inch thick with a strap on the end which you can swing it by. It's pretty well balanced and it bloody hurt when I whacked my hand with it.

Don't piss off a military policeman, kids.

I would use a Giant Mace-of-Mess-You-Up +1

I've handled a military police baton before, they're pretty nasty.
Ah, thanks for the reminder - I'd forgotten the staff wasn't the only thing I'm proficient with. :D

Let me link you to a picture of a Bardische... lots of people seem to want them but keep thinking staff with points.

http://www.lancasters-armourie.co.uk/bard.htm
No, no, no; that's not what I want at all. I want the blade portions to be away from the staff, like spear points; mostly, I stab with my staff when using it so that's why I'd use spear points, and make them serrated for when I slash with them.

www.arco-iris.com/George/barong_01.htm

A Lightsaber, no 2 Lightsabers

A Katar/Gauntlet hybrid. I'm not sure if they have a special name, but katars, as far as I know, traditionally have wooden or just light handles. When built into somewhat heavy gauntlets, with good arm strength you can parry and attack at the same time.
Katars (http://www.ruble-enterprises.com/katar.htm)

That'd require more flexibility than I have to spare though, so I'd probably end up going with a sword. Either a Katana or a two-handed sword.

in an unexpected situation probably a cocktail stick , they are very sharp! :eek:

I've handled a military police baton before, they're pretty nasty. Just over a foot long, nearly an inch thick with a strap on the end which you can swing it by. It's pretty well balanced and it bloody hurt when I whacked my hand with it.It's not of much use against a very dedicated opponent who is much stronger and heavier built than you, though. Not to mention that it hasn't got any real reach, and it's useless against any real armor. It's pretty nice if the other guy has nothing, but I personally trusted the MP issue FN HP Mk III (http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg17-e.htm) over the baton, and the RK-62 (http://world.guns.ru/assault/as43-e.htm) over both.

my feet. Effectively for running.

That's a favorite of mine, too!
But... assuming you HAVE to stand up and fight...
and assuming that such 'Sci-fi' favorites as the Light Saber are out of the running...
There is nothing quite so intimidating as the Chain Saw!
Big, loud, and clumsy, yes, but so am I!

Now, if I were possessed of any great grace, agility, and Savoir Faire, I might go for the Saber (more effective than the Rapier, but with a bit of Panache').

Some lead lined sap gloves, and maybe a needle with the AIDs in it! :mad:

I'd use my arms to tear a heart or anything out of someone :)

I'd use a sabre. Still the best close in hand-to-hand weapon devised by man.

Katana lovers: Yes, I know your opinions.
But the sabre has some advantages, too. Including:
* Much better balance if used while mounted (horseback). The katana is basically useless at full gallop.
* It's just stronger. Even the finest katanas ever made were weak if hit against the side of the blade, or worse, from the back.
* The sabre is used with one hand. Due to the balance of the katana, this is much more difficult to do.

Some lead lined sap gloves, and maybe a needle with the AIDs in it! :mad:
One of my childhood aquaintances is in prison right now for sticking a cop with an AIDS needle.

if i could have a gun it would have to be an Fn-Fal british version

A staff about 6 feet long made of bamboo or something so it hits multiple times on impact

I didn't think I'd get this much attention for just a simple question...wow. ^_^

Sadly, I'd probably use some sort of sailormoon-ish glaive thing....sharp, scary looking, and elegant at the same time..*shrug*

A Lightsaber, no 2 Lightsabers
Those things are actually much more dangerous to the user than normal swords. Try swinging a flashlight around, it's too light to be handled safely without a very, very stable grip and carefully learned swings that'd never end up cutting yourself.
And don't get me started on the heavy stance in the games. A 10cm metal stick cannot be wielded like a two-handed sword, and it most definately will not be more efficient when swung slowly. Gahh!

My pacifism notwithstanding, I'd go with nunchaku or tonfa. Nunchaku you all know about (two sticks connected by a chain, Michaelangelo of TMNT fame used to use them until kids started making their own, so he switched to hands and feet), tonfa (singular is tonfun) are better known in the U.S. as nightsticks, batons or clubs. These are the things that Okinawan peasants used to defend themselves against dishonourable samurai in the time when Japan conquered Okinawa (place of invention of karate for same reason). Or, you hold two single-edged knives with the blunt edge along your forearm, and when you block a punch in a fight, you cut the person as you do it (bladed armour a la "The Shredder", also from TMNT, could be fun here as well).

Also, to everyone who wants to use a lightsaber, the reason that only the Jedi use them is that the gyroscopic forces are so great that without a powerful link with the Force, you chop yourself in half. Also, building one is tricky, as you have to use the Force to align the crystals precisely, otherwise it explodes the first time you switch it on!

* Much better balance if used while mounted (horseback). The katana is basically useless at full gallop.
* It's just stronger. Even the finest katanas ever made were weak if hit against the side of the blade, or worse, from the back.
* The sabre is used with one hand. Due to the balance of the katana, this is much more difficult to do.

Eh? The Katana was developed specifically for use at full gallop. And later it was usually used one handed with a Wakizashi.

if i could have a gun it would have to be an Fn-Fal british versionI assume that's just because that's what you trained with? Something like this (http://www.dsarms.com/item-detail.cfm?ID=SA58OSW&storeid=1&image=sa58os) might be more useful in several scenarios while not too unfamiliar.

"What kind of melee weapon would you use in combat?"

Preferably I would use two ... a one-handed bastard sword and a dagger. :)

My pacifism notwithstanding, I'd go with nunchaku or tonfa. Nunchaku you all know about (two sticks connected by a chain, Michaelangelo of TMNT fame used to use them until kids started making their own, so he switched to hands and feet), tonfa (singular is tonfun) are better known in the U.S. as nightsticks, batons or clubs. These are the things that Okinawan peasants used to defend themselves against dishonourable samurai in the time when Japan conquered Okinawa (place of invention of karate for same reason). Or, you hold two single-edged knives with the blunt edge along your forearm, and when you block a punch in a fight, you cut the person as you do it (bladed armour a la "The Shredder", also from TMNT, could be fun here as well).

Also, to everyone who wants to use a lightsaber, the reason that only the Jedi use them is that the gyroscopic forces are so great that without a powerful link with the Force, you chop yourself in half. Also, building one is tricky, as you have to use the Force to align the crystals precisely, otherwise it explodes the first time you switch it on!

A pop-culture reference for the tonfa would be in Soul Calibur II (Talim).

I assume that's just because that's what you trained with? Something like this (http://www.dsarms.com/item-detail.cfm?ID=SA58OSW&storeid=1&image=sa58os) might be more useful in several scenarios while not too unfamiliar.
Doesn't look effective enough. Definately not something I would want to go clubbing people with.

I'd choose the Clue Bat (tm).

My pacifism notwithstanding, I'd go with nunchaku or tonfa. Nunchaku you all know about (two sticks connected by a chain, Michaelangelo of TMNT fame used to use them until kids started making their own, so he switched to hands and feet), tonfa (singular is tonfun) are better known in the U.S. as nightsticks, batons or clubs.

i find tonfa very unaffective and the same for nunchaku, my sai keep me safe at night

Doesn't look something I would want to go clubbing people with.You got it all wrong: you don't club them with the weapon, you club them with the bullet, which the weapon allows you to do at significant speed.

if i could have a gun it would have to be an Fn-Fal british version

I prefer this! (http://www.spear.navy.mil/tr/photogallery/may02update/hi-rez/011210-N-7265D-001.jpg)

Actually I'd wuss out and hire these guys (http://www.poster.net/a-team-the/a-team-the-photo-the-a-team-6205016.jpg) or him (http://www.scottschirmer.com/Bios/rambo.jpg) to do my dirty work.

You got it all wrong: you don't club them with the weapon, you club them with the bullet, which the weapon allows you to do at significant speed.
Yeah. I got it wrong. ;)

;);) right back at you.

If I can return the discussion from the realms of fantasy I'll describe what I would use - a two foot long inch and a half thick wooden club. I think it was originally a clothes rack from inside a wardrobe. It lives next to my front door. I have never had to use it, and I hope I never will: talking to people rather than smacking them around is a so much more efficient way of solving problems - it even worked when someone kicked in my front door and claimed that he was from the IRA and was armed. He got told to either get out his gun or get the fuck out of my house. He legged it. Possibly it was the sight of me half-dressed and looking really pissed off that scared him away, possibly it was his confusion at unexpectedly finding himself surrounded by bizarre folk instruments and PA equipment and half-dismantled computers and plaster figures of Jesus with sheep skulls where their head should be that unnerved him...


...anyhow, the point is that using the tongue is the best way to avoid a fight in the first place. If trouble does start you don't want to escalate it too far: a person with a club makes as strong a point as someone with a knife, but is less likely to end up on the receiving end of later reprisals.

Guns aren't part of this, but if the were, the XM8 would pwn all other weapons

XM8 (http://www.hksystems.com.au/pages/XM8.htm)

think M4 or AK47 and upgrade everything

however we are only discussing preference in melee weapons, so all guns are disqualified.

A light sword of some sort and a shield. Maybe a gladius, i find big swords unwieldy and like the freedom of motion of the lighter ones.

http://www.spear.navy.mil/tr/photogallery/may02update/hi-rez/011210-N-7265D-001.jpgSince the US government/DoD/military blocks most foreign access to *.mil sites, could you be kind enough to let us know what there was in that picture?

Let me link you to a picture of a Bardische... lots of people seem to want them but keep thinking staff with points.

http://www.lancasters-armourie.co.uk/bard.htm

thats about right, but I'm thinking smaller blade and a metal cap on one end to make it balanced for a more stafflike weapon (Cause I'm invincible with a staff)

If I can return the discussion from the realms of fantasy I'll describe what I would use - a two foot long inch and a half thick wooden club. I think it was originally a clothes rack from inside a wardrobe. It lives next to my front door. I have never had to use it, and I hope I never will: talking to people rather than smacking them around is a so much more efficient way of solving problems - it even worked when someone kicked in my front door and claimed that he was from the IRA and was armed. He got told to either get out his gun or get the fuck out of my house. He legged it. Possibly it was the sight of me half-dressed and looking really pissed off that scared him away, possibly it was his confusion at unexpectedly finding himself surrounded by bizarre folk instruments and PA equipment and half-dismantled computers and plaster figures of Jesus with sheep skulls where their head should be that unnerved him...


...anyhow, the point is that using the tongue is the best way to avoid a fight in the first place. If trouble does start you don't want to escalate it too far: a person with a club makes as strong a point as someone with a knife, but is less likely to end up on the receiving end of later reprisals.
It really depends on the agressor's motivation. I'd rather have the most lethal weapon available to me. I'm of the better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6 mindset.

Thats the beauty of the bardische... the other end is either plain would or a metal boss, easy as a non lethal weapon.

"What kind of melee weapon would you use in combat?"

Preferably I would use two ... a one-handed bastard sword and a dagger. :)

Trusty Clue-By-Four in one hand and my dreaded Nerf-Stick in the other.

id go with a wakizashi

A sharpened rotary egg whisk.

Actually I dislike using weapons, of any kind, in close combat. But if I have to use something my first choice would be a simple bambu staff, as that is my weapon of choice that I am currently training with in my martial arts club, followed by a scythe (combat scythe that is :P) and lastly, I have no idead what it is called but I have used it a few times: it´s simply a long chain with a nail-looking thingy at the end. Just make sure you dont strangle yourself using it. :P

Having just watched Kill Bill 2, I have decided that I wouldn't use a weapon at all. I shall use teh uber heart exploding claw technique or whatever it's called.

Depends. I do reenactment and prefer a pole arm, in my case an naginata, when fighting in rank. For 1-on-1 im all for a short sword and a dagger for back-up/brawling distance. I have a falchion that really fits me, but it is too heavy for extended fighting.

Another Naginata-ka!?!?!
:eek:

Sweet!!!!

bo staff

I've always preferred sabers and Rapiers over anything else, but I wouldn't mind learning how to use a staff or spear. Dual long knives wouldn't be too bad either.

bo staffs are so popular in compotitions

Just curious, how many of you actually train, or have trained with weapons?

I train with my staff daily, though my staff is a cherrywood curtain hanger. >_>

a scimitar. The Asians don't know how to make good quality swords and the European swords are too heavy for a barrage attack. With a scimitar you can stab and slice.

i do, i train with sai, escrima sticks kama nunchaku and bo staff

doesnt anyone else see the simple appeal of a nice thick wooden baseball bat? i know its kinda mob associated, but hey, i can use it too. and i think the average person could use it more effectively than a sword or something, becuase seriously, who cant swing a baseball bat? having played for years as a kid, im sure i could do some serious damage with one good swing, and good luck blocking it, because it would just knock any block aside or go through it.

Just curious, how many of you actually train, or have trained with weapons?

Several styles: a little kendo, some SCA heavy, a few years of SCA light, 2 years naginata.

doesnt anyone else see the simple appeal of a nice thick wooden baseball bat? i know its kinda mob associated, but hey, i can use it too. and i think the average person could use it more effectively than a sword or something, becuase seriously, who cant swing a baseball bat? having played for years as a kid, im sure i could do some serious damage with one good swing, and good luck blocking it, because it would just knock any block aside or go through it.
Some styles, like Kali, one that I have studied and favor highly in the use of edged weapons, can effectively block a baseball bat. It involves striking with a nice sharp heavy edged weapon not into the bat, but into the hand that grips it. The aggressor loses fingers, or even a whole hand in the process of trying to hit you.

either 9 section whip chain, or 3 section staff. neither are technically ranged weapons, but both have a nice reach, and both can be used to devestating effect against just about any other weapon in the books.

alas, I have never had any weapons training, though I'm going to get my friend to teach me how to use nunchaku, as I got a set from my older bro for x-mas.

Combat? I never engage in combat. I would have my thugs do it for me.

They would be armed with 2x4s. With nails in them.

I like a nice quater staff

backed up by a Khukuri, Machete or some form of short sword.

or a buch of hatchets, which i can throw... and then later use close in

a short sharp knife in todays day will do much better then a sword or most of these other weapons mentioned. Unless you have training with the weapon they are a lot harder to use then they seem. A small knife can be held in the palm of the hand and be concealed easily a short jab in the ribs stomach neck or what we call "sensitive areas" will likely make the person bleed to death if not buy u enough time to make another offensive manuever.

If i had to pick weapons to be equiped with say in the middle ages I would want a double edged sword. Thin light but strong with throwing knives all over my person. Ive always been fascinated by throwing knives. but they areny melee now are they?

Since the US government/DoD/military blocks most foreign access to *.mil sites, could you be kind enough to let us know what there was in that picture?


Just a big ole 20mm rapid fire electric gatlin.

Katana all the way, simply the best sword ever created, and the masters that can use them the best will never be in a sword fight for more than 4 seconds. So deadly.

A saber or rapier depending on the opponent. I have had no training in other close combat weapons.

undefinedI would use a hammer and/or sickle

Eh? The Katana was developed specifically for use at full gallop. And later it was usually used one handed with a Wakizashi.

Not quite... the katana was developed as a smaller, more agile version of the earlier swords "imported" from China & Korea. While they *can* be used on horseback, the samauri usually used spears or bows, especailly before the 1600s. Even if used, it cannot be used at a full gallop/charge effectively. This is why sabres were straightened over time (cf: Patton's cavalry sabre).

Two handed fighting with the Katana started with Miyamoto Mushashi, true. But the moves of his school (Niten Ichi Ryu), like the European fighting schools, (esp. in Spain) typically only utilized daggers/the Wakizashi against similarly armed opponents. Further, some of the katana's attributes were lost with this method of fighting, most particularly the "decapitation moves".

undefinedI would use a hammer and/or sickle

Club hammer? Claw hammer? Sledge hammer?

undefinedI would use a hammer and/or sickle

I like that compination too...
and when you think about it they wouldn't be bad at all for fighting.
i've long thought of equiping a character on the MUD (http://tsos.rarcoa.com)i play with it.

Not quite... the katana was developed as a smaller, more agile version of the earlier swords "imported" from China & Korea. While they *can* be used on horseback, the samauri usually used spears or bows, especailly before the 1600s. Even if used, it cannot be used at a full gallop/charge effectively. This is why sabres were straightened over time (cf: Patton's cavalry sabre).

Two handed fighting with the Katana started with Miyamoto Mushashi, true. But the moves of his school (Niten Ichi Ryu), like the European fighting schools, (esp. in Spain) typically only utilized daggers/the Wakizashi against similarly armed opponents. Further, some of the katana's attributes were lost with this method of fighting, most particularly the "decapitation moves".

speaking of Katanas, which are VERY nice swords to be true, I have recently seen video of a Katana pitted against an M2HB (.50 caliber heavy machine gun usually mounted on Humvees and M-1 tanks).

The katana took 6 direct hits, cutting several in half before the seventh hit it and cut sliced it.

againts the 9mm, it didn't even wobble.

course, the sword was made by a master swordsmith... still. Lets see a Eurpoean sword pull that off!

alright, here's what i Know about swords.

Katanas tend to have brittle, yet sharp edges, they're suited for cutting flesh open (i.e. you're in a duel wearing only robes). If you chip it, you'll have to retemper the blade to weld another piece in.

Euro swords on the other hand, are designed for killing folks encased in chain or plate. They can stab well (to get through chain links or plate joints), but aren't too sharp, as a hit against full plate would just chip the edge. Most euro swords, can be simply hammered back out, as they dent, not chip.

But, for my melee weapon, i would take microserrated chinese wen jian, or a roman gladius.

Just curious, how many of you actually train, or have trained with weapons?

I don't train... I just have a hell of a lot of weapons... I don't fight to win either.. I fight to have a hell of a good time and to screw with the other guy's mind


plus, the bo staff is fun.

Hmmmm.....

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


http://www.steltercreativewoodworks.com/STELTER1/Witchking_Cost/IMAG0022.JPG

And here's the entire costume... http://www.steltercreativewoodworks.com/STELTER1/Witchking_Cosx.html

Yes, I just died.

Wakizashi

Hmmmm.....

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


http://www.steltercreativewoodworks.com/STELTER1/Witchking_Cost/IMAG0022.JPG

And here's the entire costume... http://www.steltercreativewoodworks.com/STELTER1/Witchking_Cosx.html

Yes, I just died.


Call that a mace? Meh.

Just curious, how many of you actually train, or have trained with weapons?

I have training in traditional Fencing and am skilled enough with Foils and Sabers.

*bumps using staff* ;)

speaking of Katanas, which are VERY nice swords to be true, I have recently seen video of a Katana pitted against an M2HB (.50 caliber heavy machine gun usually mounted on Humvees and M-1 tanks).

The katana took 6 direct hits, cutting several in half before the seventh hit it and cut sliced it.

againts the 9mm, it didn't even wobble.

course, the sword was made by a master swordsmith... still. Lets see a Eurpoean sword pull that off!

Is it a modern or old katana? Is it made freom Japanese steel?

Actually, I'd wager most Spanish or Damascus blades of yore (most of the stuff made today is *crap* for the catalogues) being able to do such things.
Especially stuff made before Napoleon.

The staff with the sword blade at the end (from pg 1) is called a naginata, first used in japan.

I personally would use a 6' staff. Easy to use, and very effective against sword users. I have trained with it, and have seen it used against a variety of other weapons. Highly efficient.

Or I would use nunchaku's, cause they look so damn cool!

Wakizashi

Why use an itty bitty sword? I'd go with a halberd or battle axe.

Why use an itty bitty sword? I'd go with a halberd or battle axe.
Your halberd would kind of suck if you have to fight in a jungle or a forest. Also probably get in the way in a crowded parking lot. My sword and dagger would still be of use.

Another Naginata-ka!?!?!
:eek:

Sweet!!!!
Yes, i like it for the possibility of combining strikes and stabs. Its light weight allows for fast maneuvers and the reach is pretty good. I "translated" pretty quick from bo fighting. And as a completely ignorant gaijin i can gladly ignore that it is a womens weapon. :D
But the weapon i mostly train with is my falchion, who is pretty similar to this (http://www.spartakus.pl/images/ohs/sw058.jpg) one, except it is made from high tensile steel and not meant for decoration only. But i plan on getting a sax, too.

You know, I wouldn't mind learning to wield one or two really big Kunai. That would be pretty sweet.

If you really wan't to make an impact, fight the British way !

Do a bit of windmilling in, and if you got keys, stick 'em between your fingers and make them useful !

.. No Paul Kaye fans .. I'll show myself out ..

The staff with the sword blade at the end (from pg 1) is called a naginata, first used in japan.

I have been trying to remember that name for a very long time... that's a lot of use thank you.

Your halberd would kind of suck if you have to fight in a jungle or a forest. Also probably get in the way in a crowded parking lot. My sword and dagger would still be of use.

We are talking about a melee. My definition of a melee is two groups of men rushing at each other in an open field hacking and slashing until one side is eliminated, you know like in braveheart. People don't do melees in the forest.

I like double knives or escrima sticks myself. I am a Kali man.

A sarong/towel, staff, sword, 2 swords, rapier, chain, whip, or rolled up newspaper will do though. Hell, your shoelaces are excellent weapons.

I'm thinking a nice, lightweight aluminium baseball bat, with 3 nine inch nails stuck through the top

We are talking about a melee. My definition of a melee is two groups of men rushing at each other in an open field hacking and slashing until one side is eliminated, you know like in braveheart. People don't do melees in the forest.
Actually it's been done in the forest. Fillipino and Indonesian tribes have been killing the shit out of each other for ages.

When I say melee, I'm talking about any form of melee you can think of, really; just that guns and other ranged weapons aren't allowed.

I like double knives or escrima sticks myself. I am a Kali man.

A sarong/towel, staff, sword, 2 swords, rapier, chain, whip, or rolled up newspaper will do though. Hell, your shoelaces are excellent weapons.
Excellent martial art. I'm a kali man myself.

The katana took 6 direct hits, cutting several in half before the seventh hit it and cut sliced it.Apparently you looked at the clip but didn't really see it. The katana cut exactly one of those bullets in two, caused major fragmenting in two. The three other hits barely nicked the blade. Every hit smacked a good chunk off the blade, and every single hit wobbled the blade pretty damn hard. It's still pretty amazing, but unless you believe that "omg k4tnz r maaajik" it's rather obvious that any wide, well sharpened blade of very good construction would fare equally well.

Also, bullets don't cut or slice anything, they bludgeon and crush.

Here (http://zoo.nightstar.net/viewtopic.php?t=10776&sid=b537d1bc9b5a37628f6715b4c557bd51)'s a link to the video on another forum.

I think I would just take a Gladius, the wide blade means that its easy to cause a disabling wound. Its short enougth to still be useful close up.

Would not touch a Katana, because firstly you have to know what you are doing with it, and secondly if your opponent has armour on then your stuffed. I of course mean plate or chain, not traditional Japanese armour which has two many weak spots in it.

I think also a flanged mace would be useful for a heavily armoured opponent.

I'm a fencer, and I'd have to say that in swords, I would take a nice, long rapier over any other sword. With any cutting sword, to use it with full force, you must raise the weapon up, leaving your chest exposed, or if you are in fencing stance, your flank.

It is thin enough to poke through gaps in armor, and it leaves a more deadly wound than a slash, in part because the wound can go deaper, as it is less likely to be stopped by a bone. And if I am correct, puncture wounds take longer to heal than cuts.

Quarterstaff, Kamas, Chucks, Sai, Swords, or Tonfas... i am trained in them all.... i love having a sister who owns a Karate school

A Kukri of course. Then I would probably make an iron-capped quarter staff of fire-hardened ash. Or teak if I could find some.

I'll take your word for it, as I cannot find the video (i had it downloaded). Anyways, I never said I'd fight with Katanas. They are very cool swords, but I would much prefer 9 section whip chain (or chain scythe) or the 3 section staff.

9 section is good for strangling, tripping, whipping, stealing, and beating, not so hot defense wise.

3 sectionals are awesome at defense, but not so strong in offense. Still, I find these to be very fascinatiing weapons with very useful strong points to them

Good thread... lots of great ideas here, but I hafta stick with the best weapon of all: None. Unarmed combat w00t! Honestly, a skilled (knowledgeable) person can kill with a single blow (no, really). Plus, you always get the advantage of speed and surprise, and you're always carrying it with you.

And yeah, I train. (I *heart* Bruce Lee)


If I had to choose an actual 'weapon', I'd probably go with dual knives. Small, lightning fast, and you can block your enemy with one whilst stabbing him with the other.

I'm a fencer, and I'd have to say that in swords, I would take a nice, long rapier over any other sword. With any cutting sword, to use it with full force, you must raise the weapon up, leaving your chest exposed, or if you are in fencing stance, your flank.

It is thin enough to poke through gaps in armor, and it leaves a more deadly wound than a slash, in part because the wound can go deaper, as it is less likely to be stopped by a bone. And if I am correct, puncture wounds take longer to heal than cuts.


and are more likely to get infected

Good thread... lots of great ideas here, but I hafta stick with the best weapon of all: None. Unarmed combat w00t! Honestly, a skilled (knowledgeable) person can kill with a single blow (no, really). Plus, you always get the advantage of speed and surprise, and you're always carrying it with you.

And yeah, I train. (I *heart* Bruce Lee)


If I had to choose an actual 'weapon', I'd probably go with dual knives. Small, lightning fast, and you can block your enemy with one whilst stabbing him with the other.
I admire people who are able to fight unarmed, because I simply can't stand to do it myself; I have to have a weapon in my hands.

Bayonet.

*bumpeth*

Sword-chucks, yo.

Sword-chucks, yo.
dude, staff chucks!

dude, staff chucks!


I'm tellin ya! 3 sectional! GIANT nunchaku!

actually, most of the weapons in discussion can be seen @ www.centurtyfitness.com

kamas and all that stuff.

Useful for anyone who wants to see something that they didnt recognize by the name.

I'd go with one of those fanzy knives that they sell in the mall, the one with like 50 blades coming out at all angles that will cut you if you even think about touching it. Those are nice....

Well, since someone already called dibsies on swordchucks, looks like I'ma gonna hafta find a new weapon.

I'm going with the lance. Now I just need a horse.

I'd go with one of those fanzy knives that they sell in the mall, the one with like 50 blades coming out at all angles that will cut you if you even think about touching it. Those are nice....
swiss army knife? >_>

When I paintball I always get within the distance that I can reach out and just punch the guy but I shoot him instead. My paintball gun is the smallest paintball gun you would find on the field. I would use a mp5-pdw or an uzi and just finish everyone off. But hey, if you want to use swords I guess I would use a samuri sword. I could use my decorative samuri sword I got from my brother for being a groomsman for his wedding. He gave us all unique swords according to how he thought of us. He gave me a black dragon samuri sword because I always tend to wear all black when I play paintball. It definitely wouldn't do well in combat though. It's dull.

a double ender

I'd go with one of those fanzy knives that they sell in the mall, the one with like 50 blades coming out at all angles that will cut you if you even think about touching it. Those are nice....
Not one of those Gil Hibben monstrosities. I hate those things. I did once buy one of his knives though. It was called the Hibben claw. It was the closest thing to a Kerambit I could find in the local knife shops.

Assuming that you can't use a gun, or other form of ranged weapon, what kind of melee weapon, like a sword, or a spear, or what have you, would you use?
Personally, I'd use my own unique weapon. Basically, it's a staff five feet long, made of metal, with a seven inch long serrated spear point on both ends. Deadly, and efficiant. So, what would you all use?

Trench Knife, with extended brass-knuckels and concealed spike. Preferably coated in contact-toxins OR acid.

That in combination with a regular smatchet.

OR

A assault flame-thrower.

Another thing about swords penetrating armor. Who the heck wears armor nowadays?

Another thing about swords penetrating armor. Who the heck wears armor nowadays? All I need is an SMG and I can probably take out a few tanks.
How does one take out several tanks with an SMG?

How does one take out several tanks with an SMG?
Rambo shot down an hind helicopter with a bow and arrow so anything is possible.

Tunnel vision of tanks. You can run up to one and mount it, open the hatch (it's probably locked though) and mow everyone down. In the 24 hour scenario game the tanks couldn't touch me. I wanted to run up to one of the enemy tanks and use it as a bunker against the other team, but stupid insurance regulations stated that I had to stay 10 feet away from it. The tank eliminated everyone around me but me. Why? Because I was too close to it. It's so stupid to be afraid of something so encumbered. Yeah it's powerful but it's to slow for my reaction time.

I skipped strait to the last page and posted so I don't no if anyone said it before

I would use a Titanium Blade Coated with Diamond and Sharpened by a Laser nothing is sharper than that plus it's very light it, you could sit it on the hardest known object and it would sink thought it like butter how cool is that :D

I like my aluminum baseball bat. I cut out the end and added 6 ounces of mercury. Then I tigged the hole closed. The mercury added about 40% more force to my swing. Very nice.

Well, since everyone is using such short rage weapons I'll have to go with a pike. Can't hurt me if you can't get close!

The only melee weapon I've ever really had any training with is an M-16 w/ bayonett. It's pretty simple really, you poke with the pointy end and bash with the blunt end. I'm also somewhat comfortable with a stick. I'm pretty sure I can wield a single edged knife reverse-grip without hurting myself, but I'd rather have a stick.

I like swords, hammers, axes, flails, crow-bars, chainsaws, and exotic weapons, but I don't really know how to use them.

Well, since everyone is using such short rage weapons I'll have to go with a pike. Can't hurt me if you can't get close!
I trap your pike against the ground with my quarterstaff grasp the pole and take a chunk out of your head with my Kukri. Against a trained opponent a single pikeman is dead meat.

Another thing about swords penetrating armor. Who the heck wears armor nowadays?Police officers and people in related jobs, for one. With personal armor such as this (http://www.defense.to/undercreation_e.html) now available on the market, possibly a lot of other people as well.

Assuming that you can't use a gun, or other form of ranged weapon, what kind of melee weapon, like a sword, or a spear, or what have you, would you use?
Personally, I'd use my own unique weapon. Basically, it's a staff five feet long, made of metal, with a seven inch long serrated spear point on both ends. Deadly, and efficiant. So, what would you all use?


Any kind of polearm.

I skipped strait to the last page and posted so I don't no if anyone said it before

I would use a Titanium Blade Coated with Diamond and Sharpened by a Laser nothing is sharper than that plus it's very light it, you could sit it on the hardest known object and it would sink thought it like butter how cool is that :D
I should coat the spear points on my staff like that.

I'm not entirely sure; I would choose either a titanium crowbar, a trench spike, or a Shaolin spade. See the links below if you don't know what a trench spike or a Shaolin Spade are:

Trench spike: (near the bottom of this page) Pic and info, along w/ other WW1 goodies (http://www.2ndrangers.org/2nd_Rangers_Weapons%20Standards.htm)

Shaolin spade: Pic and info (http://www.wle.com/products/w066.html)

*bumpinator* Come one, people's; is there no one else that wishes to share their weapon?

A knife. Short and simple.

Okay, given adequate training, I would use any one of the following weapons because of their excellent combination grace and power. That and they look cool.

Battle Fan
Traditional Chinese Sword (the flat, relatively narrow one; best example is probably from Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon)
Bo Staff
Combistick :D
Three-sectioned-staff
Chinese-style spear (the lightweight bamboo variety)

And if it qualifies as melee (I wasn't sure, since it has a hefty reach), a good ol'fashioned bullwhip, a la Indiana Jones.

Police officers and people in related jobs, for one. With personal armor such as this (http://www.defense.to/undercreation_e.html) now available on the market, possibly a lot of other people as well.

Seeing a knife fight with a SWAT team member is highly improbable. If you were reduced to knives and swords, armor would be more of a hindrance than a help. Well I guess to me anyways. In paintball all I wear is a t-shirt. I don't like those thick jerseys people wear. I get all stuffy and the adrenaline seems to go through me alot less. I think because it's that I need to feel air. For some reason when I get adrenaline it feels like I am drawing in the air around me into my veins. Yeah it's weird, but I have had adrenaline and used it many times to know how it feels. It's almost the engine that drives a frontman in paintball.

Damn, so many weapons that'd I'd like to use... well, if I had training:

Weapons that exist: Sickle(s), fighting fan

Weapons that could exist: A long pole, blade on one end, large hook on the other. Or a trident with blades on the outer prongs.

Weapon that can't exist: It's like a glove, with a spiked ball attached to it by some sort of chord. You swing it around and stuff.

If I was a Jedi: A double-bladed lightsaber. :D

Seeing a knife fight with a SWAT team member is highly improbable. If you were reduced to knives and swords, armor would be more of a hindrance than a help. Well I guess to me anyways. In paintball all I wear is a t-shirt. I don't like those thick jerseys people wear. I get all stuffy and the adrenaline seems to go through me alot less.Non-SWAT police officers wear body armor quite regularly, and that's only going to get more common as stab-proof body armor becomes more available. That's not to say that the likelihood of a random fight being against someone wearing body armor, but it certainly can happen, especially if you go out of your way to pick on cops.

Any thick clothing, including all forms of truly protective body armor, does indeed wear you down and makes moving slightly more difficult. However, if I can get a NIJ stab level III jacket at 2.5kg without it being more cumbersome than any heavy jacket, I would certainly use it.

Some type of sturdy staff, long enough to knock the hell outta of my oponent before they got too close to me. Could also use the staff to block and disarm. I would want to be trained in a Martial Art so if unarmed, I'd still be armed :)

Ideally?
A Lee Enfield No.1 Mk.III with an M1915 bayonette on it. Naturally unloaded, but the added weight and strength of the gun itself, coupled with the barrel, and some "unique" CQB fighting styles with said weapons I've come up with, it's a very efficient and lethal combo.

Failing that, a Glaive, or Sumerian sickle-curved sword (Or two to be specific, hehe).
Although I'm comfortable with short to medium sized katana's, hatchets, and knives.

a balanced polearm, essentially a staff with a six inch blade on one end and a metal cap on the other, I'm pretty good with a staff and figure one with a blade on one end and a metal thing for balance and thwoking people with on the other can't be much different.

on second thought, I'd use pair of monowire blades on one end of the staff. they would be concealed in the end and have a mechanism that that allows them to quickly pop out, so I could carry it like a walking stick and then pop te mono blades out ant deal out some very bloody death, as a bonus i have yet to see armor that could stand up to monowire.

I train with a regular quarter staff regularly and only dream of sticking blades on the end, but hey as long as its balanced shouldn't be any different. and those of you with knives and such that say you can out speed my staff, it takes much less than a second to get it up to speed, and once its spinning right you'd be lucky if you could see it before I layed you one upside the head

Teeth and nails.
Yaay blood!
Hee.
*twitch*
:p

*bump*

i'll dispatch their entire families with three swift strokes of my kusari-fundo.

Pietas, Fidelis, Gloria, bitches.

I would prefer the Naginata blade. Those things could chop down heavy cavalry in the good old days.

I would go with any of the following
a boot with a spike in it
a Tazer
a hot poker or candle
telekinesis
a Shovel
a Piano
a walking cane

I would go with any of the following
a boot with a spike in it
a Tazer
a hot poker or candle
telekinesis
a Shovel
a Piano
a walking cane

A piano?
I would love to see that!!!

Can you say 'Blunt force trauma'?

A piano?
I would love to see that!!!

Can you say 'Blunt force trauma'?
just push it down the (assumed) hill toward the enemy, if you chase/ride it it's not really a ranged weapon

just push it down the (assumed) hill toward the enemy, if you chase/ride it it's not really a ranged weapon

Hee.
I'm picturing everybody else with their samurai swords and flails and pointy sticks, and you flying down the hill at them perched atop a grand piano.
:p

Hee.
I'm picturing everybody else with their samurai swords and flails and pointy sticks, and you flying down the hill at them perched atop a grand piano.
:p
while flight of the valkyrie(apocalypse now) is playing on the piano :D
Dun dun adun dun.....

Armored Person: Flail.
Unarmored: Katana.

well, I'd start with a staff, then move on to a long, then short sword.
Assuming there are more i would proberble move onto sai (japanese trunchon, steel with guard about 12-18 inches long)

Main reason I would use these, I been trained to instructor in them (as well as a few others) Nunchka are good but if you have a lot of peole at once you cant get the sweep to take them down each blow. :D

Got to be a French foil the killing weapon of sword duelists. Really, though I have to say this to ensure that all those fencing classes weren't for nothing. The shovel is probably a more likely choice and one I've considered using on the odd individual when digging a trench.

Really, when you've been digging hard for an hour in rocky, wet clay and the Sergeant you're sharing a trench with is pretending to be busy the whole time. Then he leaps into the trench and dig furiously for one minute, jacking you up for not working at their pace, before leaving you to finish your work.

To me that's definately a shovel in the head moment if there ever was one. As it turned out, he did this quite frequently before being transfered to somewhere he wasn't in contact with the troops. They all felt the same way I did and had to restrain themselves from beating him with a shovel.

The Bruce

Easy, Scimatar. They mix the slashing power of a saber with the srtabing power of a Dagger. I practice with Scimatars every day, they blood work well.

I always thought a combination of two short blades on a shield would work. Like a kite shield with two blades poking out of the top, pointing away from your hand. You can stab, catch other blades in it, and of course, block. In the other hand a scimitar or short sword, summat very close range.
Armour? A small but well locked bomb shelter.

I really must maintain that my tank is by far the best melee weapon.

I really must maintain that my tank is by far the best melee weapon.

Hee.
Maybe if I poke it enough it will fall apart?
*pokepokepokepoke*
Stand still a minute, I wanna test this.

Katana all the way, simply the best sword ever created, and the masters that can use them the best will never be in a sword fight for more than 4 seconds. So deadly.

Myth.

Not quite... the katana was developed as a smaller, more agile version of the earlier swords "imported" from China & Korea. While they *can* be used on horseback, the samauri usually used spears or bows, especailly before the 1600s. Even if used, it cannot be used at a full gallop/charge effectively. This is why sabres were straightened over time (cf: Patton's cavalry sabre).

Largely incorrect.

Chukato were short, straight, single edged blades of Chinese design. They were in use from the 6th century. There were several intermmediate steps until the distinctive tachi was developed. It was absolutely designed to be wielded from the saddle (as I have seen demonstrated on more than one occassion). The katana developed during the Muromachi period.

http://www.shadowofleaves.com/sword_history.htm
http://clubsoc.dit.ie/karate/sword.html




Two handed fighting with the Katana started with Miyamoto Mushashi, true. But the moves of his school (Niten Ichi Ryu), like the European fighting schools, (esp. in Spain) typically only utilized daggers/the Wakizashi against similarly armed opponents. Further, some of the katana's attributes were lost with this method of fighting, most particularly the "decapitation moves".

Totally incorrect. Japanese kenjutsu styles making use of two weapons predate Musashi.

alright, here's what i Know about swords.

Katanas tend to have brittle, yet sharp edges, they're suited for cutting flesh open (i.e. you're in a duel wearing only robes). If you chip it, you'll have to retemper the blade to weld another piece in.

Euro swords on the other hand, are designed for killing folks encased in chain or plate. They can stab well (to get through chain links or plate joints), but aren't too sharp, as a hit against full plate would just chip the edge. Most euro swords, can be simply hammered back out, as they dent, not chip.

Pretty much spot on. Only comment I can make is that katana (and other nihonto) are intended for use against armor, including mail.

Yes, i like it for the possibility of combining strikes and stabs. Its light weight allows for fast maneuvers and the reach is pretty good. I "translated" pretty quick from bo fighting. And as a completely ignorant gaijin i can gladly ignore that it is a womens weapon. :D
But the weapon i mostly train with is my falchion, who is pretty similar to this (http://www.spartakus.pl/images/ohs/sw058.jpg) one, except it is made from high tensile steel and not meant for decoration only. But i plan on getting a sax, too.

My old teacher laid absolute lie to the image of it being a "woman's weapon" - as he was one of the manliest Japanese men I've ever known. :D
And naginata translates well into (or from) kendo, as well.

I would use a Titanium Blade Coated with Diamond and Sharpened by a Laser nothing is sharper than that plus it's very light it, you could sit it on the hardest known object and it would sink thought it like butter how cool is that :D

Flint. Not that survivable, but I think it's safe to say for one use, it is very sharp.

Are you certain? I wasn't sure if mine was unique or not; I just had never heard of the concept before, so I didn't know. And I haven't really found anything when I searched for it either. Oh, and those are called katanas.

Yeah I'm fairly certain they call your invention a "Spear". :D

Yeah I'm fairly certain they call your invention a "Spear". :D
Oye, smartass; it's a dual spear. >_> And, for that matter...*bump*

None. Martial arts, anyone?

-Asylum Nova

PS: Oh, okay...if I was on an uber dangerous mission, I'd carry a pair of easily concealable daggers. XP

and are more likely to get infected

Or cause damage to a vital organ.

A Backhoe.

Not one of those Gil Hibben monstrosities. I hate those things. I did once buy one of his knives though. It was called the Hibben claw. It was the closest thing to a Kerambit I could find in the local knife shops.


Karambit's rock. I keep one in my pocket for box opening, but those things are nasty in a close fight. Especially if you drop to grappling range.

Karambit's rock. I keep one in my pocket for box opening, but those things are nasty in a close fight. Especially if you drop to grappling range.
Nice way to respond to a punch too. "you have a bloody lip" "yeah, but your brachial artery is slashed open."

My disarming smile

Traditional Chinese Sword (the flat, relatively narrow one; best example is probably from Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon)


Tai Chi Sword.

I've always favored the bicycle chain, myself. Good reach, impressive damage, and pretty much non-fatal if used right while definetely capable of incapacitating your opponent. It has it's disadvantages, but overall a fine melee weapon.

I've always favored the bicycle chain, myself. Good reach, impressive damage, and pretty much non-fatal if used right while definetely capable of incapacitating your opponent. It has it's disadvantages, but overall a fine melee weapon.
If you are good enough with flexible weapons to keep from hitting yourself.

Nice way to respond to a punch too. "you have a bloody lip" "yeah, but your brachial artery is slashed open."

Exactly.

If you are good enough with flexible weapons to keep from hitting yourself.A bicycle chain is much easier than most fleaxble weapons to learn how not to hit yourself with. But yes, you should be familiar with any tool before using it, if you have no familiarity with swordsmanship than wielding a Katana will probablly get you dead faster in a fight than fighting barehanded.

South East Asian martial arts kick ass. Literally.

A bicycle chain is much easier than most fleaxble weapons to learn how not to hit yourself with. But yes, you should be familiar with any tool before using it, if you have no familiarity with swordsmanship than wielding a Katana will probablly get you dead faster in a fight than fighting barehanded.
I suck with flexible weapons. I'm pretty good with knives, sticks, short swords, and ok with a staff, but I wouldn't use flexible weapons as a first choice. That's just me though.

I suck with flexible weapons. I'm pretty good with knives, sticks, short swords, and ok with a staff, but I wouldn't use flexible weapons as a first choice. That's just me though.
I've always preferred two-handed weapons, and yet when I first picked up a staff I swear it was like I knew exactly how to fight with it, almost as if I had known how to in a previous life.

A Backhoe.

My tank would totally own your backhoe.

Molotov cocktail.

In a medevil or fantasy setting I would probably choose a Katana on the smaller side or a Rapier and a Swordcatcher. If it didn't have to be in that setting I would choose an AKS-74U, an SPAS (stockless), a G3A3 with a collapsing stock and sniper scope :sniper: , Being a huge fan of Revolver Ocelot I would also take two Webley .455's, two Steyr TMP's, two MP5K's, a Colt .25 and a big ass caddy to hual it all in!

Note: the sniper Emoticon is incorrect, the empty casing should be ejected to the right of the user.

My tank would totally own your backhoe.

Not if it was a NUCLEAR backhoe!

I would use a samurai sword.

An axe.

Because I can throw it AND chop peoples head off with it!

Or I'll get and Indian Elephant, hop on it with a spear and a few of my spear-weilding buddies, and run over people. And anyone who's still alive I can spear.

Assuming that you can't use a gun, or other form of ranged weapon, what kind of melee weapon, like a sword, or a spear, or what have you, would you use?

Personally, I'd use my own unique weapon. Basically, it's a staff five feet long, made of metal, with a seven inch long serrated spear point on both ends. Deadly, and efficiant. So, what would you all use?

Brass knuckles, sledgehammer, bastard sword, or a broom handle. Whatever's handy. I'll get my Gollum on and strangle you if I have to.

I favor the sledgehammer, though. You can get one at any hardware store, no questions asked.

Are we allowed tethered harpoons because if you get one of those stuck in you then you're screwed because you have a sharp metal stick stuck in you and you can't go anywhere. Failing that either a large machete or metal baseball bat.

Are we allowed tethered harpoons because if you get one of those stuck in you then you're screwed because you have a sharp metal stick stuck in you and you can't go anywhere. Failing that either a large machete or metal baseball bat.
No, because that's a ranged weapon; I've always disliked traditional bows, crossbows, and the like because they're practically cheating; in a way, I agree with the knights of old regarding that.

I favor the sledgehammer, though. You can get one at any hardware store, no questions asked.

It's probably possible to catch it with your hand, though. Not that I'm willing to test that hypothesis...

Anyway, it's possible to get a scredriver at any hardware store, no questions asked. Screwdrivers are nasty in a fight.

a baseball or softball bat.... because if its in your car, the police won't ask you awkward questions if you are stopped for some reason

and when you hit the bastard in the head with it and it shatters, you can stab him if he doesn't quit with the broken of shard of wood

the Shortsword for home defense though, you don't want to be swinging around in the dark if someone invades your home in the middle of the night and its got more reach than a kitchen knife

I don't keep guns in the house myself, I have kids and safe guns are locked away with the ammunition in a seperate place, so not much use in a hurry and why else would I need a gun except to go hunting or to shoot targets... and who has time for that? (maybe when I am done raising kids)

A butcher's knife, or one of those things you jab into someone and it has barbs on so they can't pull it out.

Would a Kusari-Gama count? It has a sickle, a length of chain that's about three meters coming out the handle, and a weighted bludgeon at the other end of the chain. The basic concept behind it is to swing the weight at your opponent and fight with the sickle if they get too close.

Picture of Bette Midler naked.

Would a Kusari-Gama count? It has a sickle, a length of chain that's about three meters coming out the handle, and a weighted bludgeon at the other end of the chain. The basic concept behind it is to swing the weight at your opponent and fight with the sickle if they get too close.
Sounds good; my definition of a ranged weapon is one that either requires ammunition of some sort to use it, like bows and crossbows, or a weapon you let go of completely, like javalins or throwing daggars. That's just fine, as is flails and other similar weapons.

Ka-bar and a rabid doberman

What exactly is a bastard sword? I'm guessing it's a sword of some kind but could someone provide me with a description and or picture?

What exactly is a bastard sword? I'm guessing it's a sword of some kind but could someone provide me with a description and or picture?
A bastard sword is basically a sword that is designed to be weilded either in one hand or two, depending on the strength of the user. The sword isn't as long as some other two-handed swords.

a pair of punching krisi (thats the i plural)

Definetly Sword-Chuks, if I can find a way not to lop off my limbs. :-)

Plus I suggested a Nationstates UN proposal to ban guns and bombs in warfare, didn't pass though. Guns are for wimps.

What exactly is a bastard sword? I'm guessing it's a sword of some kind but could someone provide me with a description and or picture?


It is a hand and a half sword. Meaning, it is weighted so that it is balanced for both one and two handed use, with a handle in between the length of a single handed longsword and that of a two handed broadsword. It got the name because it was called the 'bastard son' of a longsword and a broadsword.

Basically, it's as thick as a broadsword, as long as a lonsword, weighted in between the two, with a handle length and balance point in between the two. It can be used for slashing (with the tip), hacking (with the blade), or stabbing (with the pointy end). It's a fairly versatile weapon, but it's weight makes it a bit slow for anyone not specifically used to dealing with it. It hits hard though.

If possible i'd have my very own lightsaber, if not give me Eowen's sword out of Lord Of The Rings :D

if possible i'd have my very own lightsaber, if not give me Eowen's sword out of Lord fo The Rings :)
Please; lightsabers are not only technologically impossible to create without some very specific understanding of wave dynamics, but they're much more dangerous to the user.

Please; lightsabers are not only technologically impossible to create without some very specific understanding of wave dynamics, but they're much more dangerous to the user.

They'd be pretty dangerous to the user if you try spinning them around and stuff, but they'd be perfect for amateurs. You just have to wave it around randomly in front of you!

i said 'If possible' alright then give me Eowen's sword YEEEEHAAAA

It's probably possible to catch it with your hand, though. Not that I'm willing to test that hypothesis...

Anyway, it's possible to get a scredriver at any hardware store, no questions asked. Screwdrivers are nasty in a fight.

You'd probably want to try grabbing the shaft just behind the hammer's head if you wanted to get hold of my hammer. Of course, I'm more likely to jab with the hammer at first to knock the wind out of you, and then finish the job with a nice swing. I took on a varsity football player in high school that way when he came to my house to bother me. I was alone, working in the back, and after he took a swing at me I grabbed my hammer, thrust it into his belly, and then broke his shoulder with a good overhead swing while he was gasping.

You'd probably want to try grabbing the shaft just behind the hammer's head if you wanted to get hold of my hammer. Of course, I'm more likely to jab with the hammer at first to knock the wind out of you, and then finish the job with a nice swing. I took on a varsity football player in high school that way when he came to my house to bother me. I was alone, working in the back, and after he took a swing at me I grabbed my hammer, thrust it into his belly, and then broke his shoulder with a good overhead swing while he was gasping.

Christ, was he looking for a serious fight, then? Breaking his shoulder with a sledgehammer seems like taking it a bit too far to me...

Christ, was he looking for a serious fight, then? Breaking his shoulder with a sledgehammer seems like taking it a bit too far to me...

No, and neither was I. But this fool had bullied me all through high school, and to have to face him in my own home was more than I was willing to forgive. I might have had to hold back at school, but if you come to my home uninvited I shall make you suffer.

And, if I really wanted to take it too far, I could have just aimed a little to the right and crushed his skull. I aimed for his left shoulder knowing he was right-handed; I am not wholly merciless.

No, and neither was I. But this fool had bullied me all through high school, and to have to face him in my own home was more than I was willing to forgive. I might have had to hold back at school, but if you come to my home uninvited I shall make you suffer.

And, if I really wanted to take it too far, I could have just aimed a little to the right and crushed his skull. I aimed for his left shoulder knowing he was right-handed; I am not wholly merciless.

Yeah, I know the feeling. I've never had a bully come to my house before, especially not when I've been in a position to break their shoulder. I guess I'd probably do the same in the circumstances, though.

I'd use a fairly weak chainsaw with a nitro system to boost the rpm of the motor to the dubble, and then fit an extremley long chainsaw sword with good industrial diamond teeth... not much use for cutting in wood but belive me, sheilds, swords and baseball bats would be chewed to shreds before you could say 'wtf'... besides, a roaring motor on a high pitch is kind of intimidating too:)

Oh, and you don't need to slash or wield it, just have it pointing in the general direction of your opponent and if he or she touch the chain... poor them...

Nikes would be kind of good too... to run away with.

Yeah, that works, till your fuel runs out. Then what do you do? :D