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I hate being American. Yes, it's true. I love our country, but hate it at the same time. It isn't because of George Bush, no, it's because of us. Us, the overweight, pompous, arrogant population of America that takes a crap on every country and expects them to clean it up.

Why couldn't I have been born in England, or Sweden, or Germany, or Italy or something...

LOL, does that make you an America-hating liberal?

Because you're a dick.

I'm a dick because I think our country is trying to take over the whole goddamn world?

I'm a dick because I think our country is trying to take over the whole goddamn world?

Eh, it works.

You're a sad, sad little man...

You're a sad, sad little man...

Just because I think you're a dick?

Though I understand your sentiments, the US is better than many other countries. Granted, that doesn't make it good, just better.

I hate being American. Yes, it's true. I love our country, but hate it at the same time. It isn't because of George Bush, no, it's because of us. Us, the overweight, pompous, arrogant population of America that takes a crap on every country and expects them to clean it up.

Why couldn't I have been born in England, or Sweden, or Germany, or Italy or something...

The move a lil ways up north. Then you can have some self-esteem as part of a nice, welcoming country named Canada. I'll even bake you a pie, if you'd like.

Seriously, if you're disgruntled with the US of A, Canada's a VERY serious option for ya. We're just like the US, save the bloodthirsty and religious zealot parts.

I like canada because it is in fact friendly and it's TV is a gajillion times better. No reality TV ! w00t.

Unfortunately, I'm 13. So I'll reconsider the proposal when I'm older.

And you have a coin with a duck on it. It's called the loony. I like it.

Just because I think you're a dick?

Maybe it's because you hang around on forums insulting people because of their views about America.

Maybe it's because you hang around on forums insulting people because of their views about America.

...that's pretty much what every else on this forum does. Except it's usually the other way around.

I have been to Canada a few times. Not too impressed with it. The people were friendly but not anymore friendly then the people I have met in the Midwest. It was a fun place to visit but I don't think I would want to stay there. I think it would be a boring place to live. America has more excitement and I would never move away.

I'm a dick because I think our country is trying to take over the whole goddamn world?

No, that would only make you wrong, not a dick.

...that's pretty much what every else on this forum does. Except it's usually the other way around.

Well, you could make an attempt to discuss his view or point out America's good points. You're not going to convince him by calling him a dick and you're not exactly going to make a friend either.

I know how you feel about talking about America on the forum, though. Usually I just steer clear of political threads altogether.

I'm 13.

Ahhh. Well kiddo. Don't take this the wrong way but you really don't know anything. You haven't really experienced anything.

There are countries far worst then the US. Sure the shrub is in the WhiteHouse; but he beauty of thing country is the fact the next President can and will correct the "legacy" of this self absorbed idiot.

Don't worry about the world hating you. I travel around a great deal and people as a whole you will treat you great if you are decent sort.

Learn the Consititution and our history.

Ahhh. Well kiddo. Don't take this the wrong way but you really don't know anything. You haven't really experienced anything.

There are countries far worst then the US. Sure the shrub is in the WhiteHouse; but he beauty of thing country is the fact the next President can and will correct the "legacy" of this self absorbed idiot.

Don't worry about the world hating you. I travel around a great deal and people as a whole you will treat you great if you are decent sort.

Learn the Consititution and our history.
the PROBLEM is the next president CANT correct the things THIS president has done in the past 4 years, it will probably take 3 or 4 new terms after he has left (3 or 4 terms of people who arnt complete nutjobs like him) to get shit back in line

Yay he said Sweden!:P I don't think you should be too sad, US seems to be pretty good if you belong to the people who has internet, and people are anti-America, not anti-americans (save the participants of those sucky reality-shows you have the guts to export).

Aw crap..this is just going to turn into a backlash of morons with comments such as 'America is superiour to every other country - unamericans are subhuman. I've never actually being anywhere else, but I just know because Fox tells me so'

No one country is 'better' than another - you can prefer antoher country but can't objectively say it's superiour in any way. Depends on your preference. Some people in Britain hate living here, but I would much prefer living here than most other places in the world. It's not that other places are worse, I just wouldn't like them as much. I wouldn't mind living in Canada though.

Aw crap..this is just going to turn into a backlash of morons with comments such as 'America is superiour to every other country - unamericans are subhuman. I've never actually being anywhere else, but I just know because Fox tells me so'

No one country is 'better' than another - you can prefer antoher country but can't objectively say it's superiour in any way. Depends on your preference. Some people in Britain hate living here, but I would much prefer living here than most other places in the world. It's not that other places are worse, I just wouldn't like them as much. I wouldn't mind living in Canada though.

Amen brotha.

I'd hate to live in America. That's not to say its a bad place, and unattractive place or that Britain is better.

I just prefer it here...

Aw crap..this is just going to turn into a backlash of morons with comments such as 'America is superiour to every other country - unamericans are subhuman. I've never actually being anywhere else, but I just know because Fox tells me so
When you say it! Two pages and not a single patriotic outburst, this is amazing!

By the way, why does Fox allow Simpsons? Groening runs Moore, isn't it pretty obvious?

By the way, why does Fox allow Simpsons? Groening runs Moore, isn't it pretty obvious?

Actually, Fox sued itself over Simpsons, so that's not the best example ;)

By the way, why does Fox allow Simpsons? Groening runs Moore, isn't it pretty obvious?

Because The Simpsons gets such great ratings - Fox needs Groening but Groening doesn't need Fox, so he can take the piss out of right wing politics all he likes and all Murdoch can do nothing.

Because The Simpsons gets such great ratings - Fox needs Groening but Groening doesn't need Fox, so he can take the piss out of right wing politics all he likes and all Murdoch can do nothing.
smpsons is the only thing that gets non crap ratings on fox, sadly they are going to try to take back family guy from cn before canceling it half way throguh the season for being too offensive, hopefully cn will get the second season not too late

I hate being American. Yes, it's true. I love our country, but hate it at the same time. It isn't because of George Bush, no, it's because of us. Us, the overweight, pompous, arrogant population of America that takes a crap on every country and expects them to clean it up.

Why couldn't I have been born in England, or Sweden, or Germany, or Italy or something...

Don't wish to live somewhere else....pack your stuff and leave now. People like you are the reason we don't have strong pride. My question to you is if there was a war and the draft was re-instated would you go when your number was called or would you go to Canada????

Actually, Fox sued itself over Simpsons, so that's not the best example ;)
I've heard alot about the legal system in the US but can a company sue another company/ fraction that belongs to it? WOW!

Before you move remember the old saying : The grass is always greener on the other side.

I hate being American. Yes, it's true. I love our country, but hate it at the same time. It isn't because of George Bush, no, it's because of us. Us, the overweight, pompous, arrogant population of America that takes a crap on every country and expects them to clean it up.

Why couldn't I have been born in England, or Sweden, or Germany, or Italy or something...

I couldn't agree more..... Except, Bush certainly doesn't help my outlook of America... I can't wait to move to Japan...

I've heard alot about the legal system in the US but can a company sue another company/ fraction that belongs to it? WOW!

Yeah, Fox news sued Fox entertainment :D

Because The Simpsons gets such great ratings - Fox needs Groening but Groening doesn't need Fox, so he can take the piss out of right wing politics all he likes and all Murdoch can do nothing.
Bingo, which is why I think Groening chooses Fox-just to piss the fuckers off ;)

Move. If you hate being American, I sure hate for you to be one as well. You can move to North Korea or China then I think you can appreciate it a little more. You don't know what you have until you lose it.

Awesome, an emigration, adios, hope you enjoyed your stay, send a card or something, you'll be missed...by someone other than me

Move. If you hate being American, I sure hate for you to be one as well. You can move to North Korea or China then I think you can appreciate it a little more. You don't know what you have until you lose it.

Woah, relax a little, mate. I'm sure there are aspects of being American he likes, he just doesn't like America's foreign policy, reputation around the world and general attitude to the rest of the world.

Dude, you're thirteen. You have absolutely no perspective on the world. Hell, you haven't even been to college yet, or high school for that matter. You just kinda sound like a middle schooler who's relying on emotions instead of logic, just like every other middle schooler in history.

If you don't like America then leave. Us UNITED citizens take the good with the bad. Nothing is perfect, but the USA is the closest to it. If you don't like it, feel FREE to leave. You'll be crying back before long.

Move. If you hate being American, I sure hate for you to be one as well. You can move to North Korea or China then I think you can appreciate it a little more. You don't know what you have until you lose it.

I'm so sick and tired of this attitude. That's the second most anti-american attitude I've heard (being against dissent is the worst). One of the important things aobut America is that it can be changed. Todays faliures can be changed tomarrow.

I don't hate America. I hate Americans. Like you.

Thank you for stereotyping me. I don't honestly want to live the country that is the laughing stock of the UN.

I love america, I must admit. It's a great place. It really is. I just don't like what happened to the people in it, I guess. Everyone at my school has the physical and mental capabilites of a hamster. They think PE is hard. Yes, running for 2 minutes is one hell of a work out!

Then there are the people who think they're, "In the ghetto". Yeah, the ghetto is the place to be.

I want the old America back, where people were nice to eachother and we didn't go to war because a country has a bomb full of lice or something. Where our government didn't make rushed decisions. They thought things through. Now it seems like all things need to be done in a split second.

Like NS :P

All you people who posted to say good riddance - grow up. People are allowed to dislike aspects of their country.

If you don't like America then leave. Us UNITED citizens take the good with the bad. Nothing is perfect, but the USA is the closest to it. If you don't like it, feel FREE to leave. You'll be crying back before long.

Open your eyes, take off the blinders, unplug your ears, then talk.

Thank you for stereotyping me. I don't honestly want to live the country that is the laughing stock of the UN.

I love america, I must admit. It's a great place. It really is. I just don't like what happened to the people in it, I guess. Everyone at my school has the physical and mental capabilites of a hamster. They think PE is hard. Yes, running for 2 minutes is one hell of a work out!

Then there are the people who think they're, "In the ghetto". Yeah, the ghetto is the place to be.

I want the old America back, where people were nice to eachother and we didn't go to war because a country has a bomb full of lice or something. Where our government didn't make rushed decisions. They thought things through. Now it seems like all things need to be done in a split second.

Like NS :P


**sighs** don't you understand? That "old America" NEVER EXISTED.

Embrace the future, and embrace change. It's what drives us foward. It's what makes us better.

All you people who posted to say good riddance - grow up. People are allowed to dislike aspects of their country.

Amen!

Open your eyes, take off the blinders, unplug your ears, then talk.
Maybe he has, but you might have your own on.

Haha. I LOVE it when Americans get on other Americans for being "unpatriotic" when the best part of BEING an American is being able to speak your mind, to be different. All these stupid "patriots" want is someone to fall behind every move the current administration makes. Very 1984ish if you ask me...
But anyway, this country is going down the craphole, and it's unfortunate. There was this thing I read about a couple months back, the stages of a nation, and I think America is on it's downfall.
I think I'll stick around. Hopefully, we can acheive more political balance and get nutjobs like Bush out and away from any kind of administrative position. I heard that they're considering allowing war time presidents to run for more than two terms? God HELP us if they do... :(

Thank you for stereotyping me. I don't honestly want to live the country that is the laughing stock of the UN.

I love america, I must admit. It's a great place. It really is. I just don't like what happened to the people in it, I guess. Everyone at my school has the physical and mental capabilites of a hamster. They think PE is hard. Yes, running for 2 minutes is one hell of a work out!

Then there are the people who think they're, "In the ghetto". Yeah, the ghetto is the place to be.

I want the old America back, where people were nice to eachother and we didn't go to war because a country has a bomb full of lice or something. Where our government didn't make rushed decisions. They thought things through. Now it seems like all things need to be done in a split second.

Like NS :P

You actually give a flying fuck about what the UN thinks of the United States?

I'm so sick and tired of this attitude. That's the second most anti-american attitude I've heard (being against dissent is the worst). One of the important things aobut America is that it can be changed. Todays faliures can be changed tomarrow.

I don't hate America. I hate Americans. Like you.

And I'm tired of people who bitch and don't do anything more than just that. I'm not anti-American either. If you go up my family tree, direct blood fought in the American revolution, and almost every one of my relatives have been in the military, as I plan to join the army when i'm 22. (I'm in ROTC now). I'm just so sick of people who whine about this country and havn't expierenced worse things in the world. If you think America is bad, go other places, seriously.

Maybe he has, but you might have your own on.

I admit that there are times when I, too, can be closeminded and purposefully ignorant.

The biggest difference is, I work to eliminate it withen myself.

I want the old America back

Like NS :P
I want the old america back too... the times where men were men and women knew it. where if you were happy and you knew it you clapped your hands DAMMIT. but honestly WHEN you grow up, you will start to make ideas of your own and not just post the same things you hear grown ups talk about

If you don't like America then leave. Us UNITED citizens take the good with the bad. Nothing is perfect, but the USA is the closest to it. If you don't like it, feel FREE to leave. You'll be crying back before long.

Well if anyone does want to move you can sleep on my sofa in Edinburgh

And I'm tired of people who bitch and don't do anything more than just that. I'm not anti-American either. If you go up my family tree, direct blood fought in the American revolution, and almost every one of my relatives have been in the military, as I plan to join the army when i'm 22. (I'm in ROTC now). I'm just so sick of people who whine about this country and havn't expierenced worse things in the world. If you think America is bad, go other places, seriously.

Anti-americanism has absolutly nothing to do with blood or fighting for your country. It has to do with the ideals that are supposed to be personified by the country. The right of dissent and free speech are near the highest of esteem.

One does not have to be repusled by the bottom to wish to ascend. One can be held in awe of the beauty of what lies above.

You actually give a flying fuck about what the UN thinks of the United States?

You don't? Why? You think we don't need the world?

I want the old america back too... the times where men were men and women knew it. where if you were happy and you knew it you clapped your hands DAMMIT. but honestly WHEN you grow up, you will start to make ideas of your own and not just post the same things you hear grown ups talk about

What's wrong with someone as young as him posting his opinions? I've heard a lot of adults with much less reasoned views than him.

You don't? Why? You think we don't need the world?
We need the world, but as it would appear to me, the UN is flawed. There is corruption in there, and poor administration like nothing else.

I want the old america back too... the times where men were men and women knew it. where if you were happy and you knew it you clapped your hands DAMMIT. but honestly WHEN you grow up, you will start to make ideas of your own and not just post the same things you hear grown ups talk about

WOW. That's not the least bit insulting. Really.

To put our young citizen's comments in perspective, consider the following---a true story:

A construction crew faced a seemingly insurmountable dilemma. They had completed half of a mountain-pass tunnel (a roadway traveling through a mountain) when one of the large construction vehicles became wedged inside. Several highly-trained structural engineers, construction professionals and government inspection teams were brought to the scene to assess the situation. Over the next two days, many plans for clearing the obstacle were formulated, considered (cost/benefit, risk, etc) and discarded. Precious work hours were lost, and finally the cost of re-routing the roadway was discussed. It appeared that this would be the adopted plan.

Until, that is, the young son of one of the construction crew chiefs volunteered a idea. He had been attempting to discuss this with his father and the crew members for about a day, but noone would listen. Finally getting his father's attention, he suggested, quite simply, that they let the air out of the tires of the construction vehicle.

Which they did, and quickly drove the vehicle out of the tunnel without difficulty.

Very often, the unbiased, honest perspective of a child---who presumably has no axe to grind (political or otherwise)---can be most insightful.

Anti-americanism has absolutly nothing to do with blood or fighting for your country. It has to do with the ideals that are supposed to be personified by the country. The right of dissent and free speech are near the highest of esteem.

One does not have to be repusled by the bottom to wish to ascend. One can be held in awe of the beauty of what lies above.

Yeah and what I am saying is that he hates America blah blah blah....then he wont take a step off the soil though. He'll just whine and never venture to go any other places and see how others have it worse. He thinks America is SO horrible. Go to Africa where war in your backyard is a usual thing. Where your lucky to have a meal a week and it's normal for relatives to be dead. It doesn't matter about the politics. I much rather have horrible politics than a horrible way of life. Therefor, his topic shouldn't have said " I hate being American...", it should have said "I hate American culture..." or "I hate American foreign policy...".

You don't? Why? You think we don't need the world?

No, we just have veto there. So it's whether or not they like is moot.

Yeah and what I am saying is that he hates America blah blah blah....then he wont take a step off the soil though

Isn't it just as bad when people go on and on about America being the 'greatest country in the world' when most likely they have never left either?

Yeah and what I am saying is that he hates America blah blah blah....then he wont take a step off the soil though. He'll just whine and never venture to go any other places and see how others have it worse. He thinks America is SO horrible. Go to Africa where war in your backyard is a usual thing. Where your lucky to have a meal a week and it's normal for relatives to be dead. It doesn't matter about the politics. I much rather have horrible politics than a horrible way of life. Therefor, his topic shouldn't have said " I hate being American...", it should have said "I hate American culture..." or "I hate American foreign policy...".

But he's also 13, and probebly a bit hot blooded and, at the time, unable to truly put into words what he REALLY feels, instead of what he THINKS he feels. If you read his post, it rings more if "I don't like what America's become" over "I hate this entire country and everything about it."


We need the world, but as it would appear to me, the UN is flawed. There is corruption in there, and poor administration like nothing else.
Though it's really my least favorite thing to quote, I remember once hearing this story about a plank in some guys eye and a mote of sawdust in another's...

No, we just have veto there. So it's whether or not they like is moot.
Sorry, don't really grasp what you're saying there...

Isn't it just as bad when people go on and on about America being the 'greatest country in the world' when most likely they have never left either?

Actually I have. I've takin a trip to Thailand and going to France in 2.5 weeks. Good day.

WOW. That's not the least bit insulting. Really.

To put our young citizen's comments in perspective, consider the following---a true story:

A construction crew faced a seemingly insurmountable dilemma. They had completed half of a mountain-pass tunnel (a roadway traveling through a mountain) when one of the large construction vehicles became wedged inside. Several highly-trained structural engineers, construction professionals and government inspection teams were brought to the scene to access the situation. Over the next two days, many plans for clearing the obstacle were forumalted, considered (cost/benefit, risk, etc) and discarded. Precious work hours were lost, and finally the cost of re-routing the roadway was discussed. It appeared that this would be the adopted plan.

Until, that is, the young son of one of the construction crew chiefs volunteered a idea. He had been attempting to discuss this with his father and the crew members for about a day, but noone would listen. Finally getting his father's attention, he suggested, quite simply, that they let the air out of the tires of the construction vehicle.

Which they did, and quickly drove the vehicle out of the tunnel without difficulty.

Very often, the unbiased, honest perspective of a child---who presumably has no axe to grind (political or otherwise)---can be most insightful.
But the fellow we're talking to is no child, but an adolescent. A group who is most definitely biased as could be. They aren't typically biased by opinions they came to on their own, but by the opinions of others. They hear a Michael Moore or Rush Limbaugh or something spouting out their garbage and they believe every word of it. They rely too heavily on knee-jerk emotions, rather than deliberate thought.

Now, admittedly there are adults who do this as well, but it's not universal, as it is during those fell middle school years.

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Though it's really my least favorite thing to quote, I remember once hearing this story about a plank in some guys eye and a mote of sawdust in another's...

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It goes both ways.

Move. If you hate being American, I sure hate for you to be one as well. You can move to North Korea or China then I think you can appreciate it a little more. You don't know what you have until you lose it.


Yeah...go live in Somalia, Iran, or Chechnya...see how you like it there. The thing about the USA, is that if you DID leave here, we would take you back...that's what America is all about.

Alaric of Xeraph

Once again the ignorance displayed in this forum amazes me. Aside from Roach Busters and a few other poor souls who have to read most of the trite spewed by posters, I am horrifed by the opinions stated(especially in this thread). Most likely and I am going to generalize, if one is thirteen, one does not know anything about the world let alone America. Instead one is just reiterating the opinions, hateful ignorant ones, of others. Please before you make such a statement prove to me and the rest of the board that it is a valid one. If not I feel you are most likely a loner who would find faults in every place they stayed. Spare us your grievances and see the ignorance fo your comment.

Yeah and what I am saying is that he hates America blah blah blah....then he wont take a step off the soil though. He'll just whine and never venture to go any other places and see how others have it worse. He thinks America is SO horrible. Go to Africa where war in your backyard is a usual thing. Where your lucky to have a meal a week and it's normal for relatives to be dead. It doesn't matter about the politics. I much rather have horrible politics than a horrible way of life. Therefor, his topic shouldn't have said " I hate being American...", it should have said "I hate American culture..." or "I hate American foreign policy...".

Part of the reason that people consider America so morally desolate is because other countries "have it so bad" and we don't do much to help. In fact, we bomb the hell out of other countries on whims. I'm not trying to get into a debate about the war. I know that there are intentions to fix the country. But do you honestly thing that we're doing it in a humanitarian spirit? I don't.
America is a big, giant, a**hole. It consumes all this stuff that it really doesn't need, and then takes dumps all over other countries like Afghanistan and Iraq.
We started out right, I think. We have great political freedoms and civil rights, or at least, we're starting to get there. I'm grateful for it. But that doesn't make what we're doing to other countries moral by any means.

I hate to say this, but I think if the Kid is gonna leave the US, I doubt he's gonna move to somalia, chechnya or any of the above.

It is true that there are alot of places that are aweful compared to the US. There are however, alot of places that are just as good...

Actually I have. I've takin a trip to Thailand and going to France in 2.5 weeks. Good day.

Did I specifically name you as such a person? No. The fact is that only about 10% of all Americans own passports, when you get a lot more people going on about how much better America is than any other country.

In fact, it's stupid for anyone to say that they're country is superiour to another even if they have being abroad - all you can say is that you prefer your own country to a country you have visited. Thus, I prefer living in Britain than I would in any of the countries I have visited. I can't say anything more than that, and neither can anyone else.

Obviously, you can guess that it wouldn't be so great living in third world countries or ones with tyrannical dictators, but you can't say the same of first world countries.

We're just like the US, save the bloodthirsty and religious zealot parts.
I like beiing religious

I feel like Hitler - Popular, but in a bad way.

Why can't anyone just seem to respect anothers opinion.

Ok seriously, the US of A is probably quite a good place to live compared to Iran, Somalia, China, China, quite a big lump of southeast Asia and so on. But so is every other rich, democratic country around.

And if you dont like it, move away (when youre old enough and if you still want to instead of trying to make the country better).

I wish I could make the country better. Then I wouldn't have these views. But it's very hard to when you're my age.

I wish I could make the country better. Then I wouldn't have these views. But it's very hard to when you're my age.

Pray tell how would you change it?

Why can't anyone just seem to respect anothers opinion.

I think alot of people here have, some don't but that's only because they're proud of the nation they live in and see such a point of view as ungrateful and or disrespectful.

There's nothing wrong with either point of view as they're both very personal.

In the end, neither really matters as each party will do as each party does regardless.

In my opinion, its fine to find things about the place you live that you don't like or agree with, hell, its your duty as a citizen. If you don't do this and vote to change it, you might aswell live in a dictatorship.

I do think that moving country is a little extreme. I myself felt like this when I was in my teens and have come to change my mind over time. I realised that what is more important to me than the bad parts about my country is the good parts. My family, our health system and the natural beauty of the country I grew up in.

Britain might have its problems, and lets face it, it does - some big ones. It's is though, my home, and always will be.

Pray tell how would you change it?

There are a million and one ways in which he could change it. For a start, he could run for office when he's old enough.

For anyone who hasn't read the entire thread, allow me to summarize.

Buechoria: I hate being American...
Stereotypical right-wingers: LEAVE NOW!!!!!111
Stereotypical left-wingers: He's right! I'm moving to Canada/Britain/Japan so I can lose weight playing hockey/lose weight eating crappy food/gain even more weight sitting around watching anime.
Stereotypical right-wingers: LEAVE NOW!!!!!111

I never said I would leave the country, it's just I dislike what it has become...

For anyone who hasn't read the entire thread, allow me to summarize.

Buechoria: I hate being American...
Stereotypical right-wingers: LEAVE NOW!!!!!111
Stereotypical left-wingers: He's right! I'm moving to Canada/Britain/Japan so I can lose weight playing hockey/lose weight eating crappy food/gain even more weight sitting around watching anime.
Stereotypical right-wingers: LEAVE NOW!!!!!111

I love you.

america sucks i was born in russia everyone in europe is smarter than the overweight stupid americans... its tru

HAIL MOTHERLAND lol

There are a million and one ways in which he could change it. For a start, he could run for office when he's old enough.

I said how, not could he change it. I would like details in why he finds America such a revoulting place to live.
So let me reiterate my question. How would you change America, what specific actions or changes to policies would you try to attempt?

In what is a "good" country anyways ?

But as a matter of fact, I have visited France once, Tunisia once and USA a dozen times (I live in Canada), and I would move to Tunisia before the US.
France is generally good, social welfare is generous, etc. But there ARE lots of ethnic tensions.
In Tunisia, people accept everyone (there are jewish arabs there) and are generally friendly. Women are truly as free as men in terms of rights and all, but I can't say how things happen in a common tunisian family.
What troubles me about the US is the huge amount of waste... money, resources, etc.... and how are the next generations supposed to do with all that ? 50% of the population is overweight... while in France, which is equally developped, the average is far thinner. Just wondering why... really. And I'm not mentionning all murders...

Yeah and what I am saying is that he hates America blah blah blah....then he wont take a step off the soil though. He'll just whine and never venture to go any other places and see how others have it worse. He thinks America is SO horrible. Go to Africa where war in your backyard is a usual thing. Where your lucky to have a meal a week and it's normal for relatives to be dead. It doesn't matter about the politics. I much rather have horrible politics than a horrible way of life. Therefor, his topic shouldn't have said " I hate being American...", it should have said "I hate American culture..." or "I hate American foreign policy...".

Oh, yes! He'll regret the day he left USA, the single shining beacon of democracy and freedom and an island of civilization in the horrible wasteland of our planet. Why, only yesterday I went out to buy some eggs and milk and discovered that there was a war going on iin my backyard! Of course, such a thing is quite usual out here in unAmerica (which, to be fair, consists of a little more than just Africa, but it's all too similar to mention.) I was able to sneak away from them fairly easily with the skills I learned from growing up in a harsh world where only the fittest survive.

When I reached the shop, they were out of eggs and milk, but that didn't matter because all my money had been confiscated by the evil nazi dictator government anyway. I did manage to steal a small box of anchovies, though. This was really lucky, because I had actually allready eaten that week.

Of course I had to share these anchovies with the rest of my family, but that wasn't so bad because most of my relatives are dead. In fact, from the generation of my great grand parents and backwards, not one still lives!

So now you know what it's like to live in unAmerica. I bet you're glad you were born on the right side of the border now, huh?

I never said I would leave the country, it's just I dislike what it has become...

Detail how it has changed? What chanegs have alienated you? What has it become?

I agree with you in disliking wht it has become, btu I fear it is for different reasons, so please expouse what has changed that you do nto agree with rather that upheaving comments with no backing.

Why couldn't I have been born in England, or Sweden, or Germany, or Italy or something...
Can you say: lederhose'

discusting!

america sucks i was born in russia everyone in europe is smarter than the overweight stupid americans... its tru

HAIL MOTHERLAND lol

Christ, I hope that guy was being sarcastic.


By the way, good point Castanets111. That would be an interesting discussion.

It's hard really to say what I would change. Most are just how the people up at capitol hill react to things.

And for gods sake I never said I wanted to leave America. Canada is great, but I doubt I'd move there.

Can you say: lederhose'

discusting!

Englisch ist von Deutsch! Deutschland ist die beste!

I hate being American. Yes, it's true. I love our country, but hate it at the same time. It isn't because of George Bush, no, it's because of us. Us, the overweight, pompous, arrogant population of America that takes a crap on every country and expects them to clean it up.

Why couldn't I have been born in England, or Sweden, or Germany, or Italy or something...
Hey, you can always kill yourself. In fact, I highly recommend that you do so.

Englisch ist von Deutsch! Deutschland ist die beste!
Ja Klar !

Oh, yes! He'll regret the day he left USA, the single shining beacon of democracy and freedom and an island of civilization in the horrible wasteland of our planet. Why, only yesterday I went out to buy some eggs and milk and discovered that there was a war going on iin my backyard! Of course, such a thing is quite usual out here in unAmerica (which, to be fair, consists of a little more than just Africa, but it's all too similar to mention.) I was able to sneak away from them fairly easily with the skills I learned from growing up in a harsh world where only the fittest survive.

When I reached the shop, they were out of eggs and milk, but that didn't matter because all my money had been confiscated by the evil nazi dictator government anyway. I did manage to steal a small box of anchovies, though. This was really lucky, because I had actually allready eaten that week.

Of course I had to share these anchovies with the rest of my family, but that wasn't so bad because most of my relatives are dead. In fact, from the generation of my great grand parents and backwards, not one still lives!

So now you know what it's like to live in unAmerica. I bet you're glad you were born on the right side of the border now, huh?


Heh, you wacky Unamerican! :D

Englisch ist von Deutsch! Deutschland ist die beste!

English is from Norse and French too! Don't try to hog all the honor!

English is from Norse and French too! Don't try to hog all the honor!
Hum French comes mainly from Latin
then add a little early German and Gaulish and Greek

Y'know, I'm gonna say another reason I dislike America though, and this is what I'm trying to say is, the people. I'm being called a dickhead because of my views. Everyone my age curses every second. Everyones a "gay fag". If my shorts are even 1 mm above my knees, then I'm gay. What a country.

Very often, the unbiased, honest perspective of a child---who presumably has no axe to grind (political or otherwise)---can be most insightful.

In this day and age when has the oppinion of a child been honest and un-influenced... unfortunatly that is the story of kids in the US and in the rest of the world

Goodness! Do you have any sense of the very constitution of your nation? I am British, but know a lot about America. What sets these nations apart from many others?

*thinks*

Ah yes! The right to free speech. Beuchoria [sp?] is allowed to dislike his country, as am I.....

Goodness! Do you have any sense of the very constitution of your nation? I am British, but know a lot about America. What sets these nations apart from many others?

*thinks*

Ah yes! The right to free speech. Beuchoria [sp?] is allowed to dislike his country, as am I.....
Amen

Ja Klar !

Nein! NEIN!!! Nicht Klar und gegeben zu der möchten wurststrasse.
All your lederhosen mit lange schlange are belong to us. Someone set us up the berlinertarte.

Gotta love Deutszchs! :D

And now, seriuosly, i would like to note that quite a lot of the Americans i have met are either quite nice or quite stupid, sometimes both and the same goes for some Swedes and in a more extreme way with Russians, and certainly not with Brits.

Edit:

Because Brits are nice, im drunk\sleepy, and could someone that speaks German PLEASE explain to me what i just said.

I hate America too, except I'm a New Jerseyan, so...yeah...

Probably every country has people who call other people gay for those sort of things, hell i do it. And who wouldn't like PE? I hate people who hate PE.

Also, he can say what he likes and theres nothing you can do to shut him up, and he can stay in the country as long as he likes and still bitch about it. We in Britain love complaining but you don't see everyone being shipped off to god knows where. I live in Britain but I would prefer to move to Oman, ive lived there most of my life,(thats in the middle east for the people who dont know where any countrys are) but im not going to pack my whole life up to live somewhere with a better existance.

Look, here's the trick. We're not here to take over anywhere. Our presence in every country waxes and wanes.
But we are powerful, we tend to assert our influence. We just do. It's not taking over, and whether you like it or not it has been, since the beginning of this country's existence, our objective and destiny to spread Democracy around the world, however possible. Throughout the last century we have beaten back the forces of autocracy, dictatorship, etc in WWI, WWII, Korea, and the Cold War. This is just a new theatre, a new threat. We are establishing a beachhead of Democracy in the Middle East, so it can spread. It has to, really.
Some people say we're being forceful. We are, but not against the will of the Iraqi people. I cite two points:
1) Since 1984 rogue delegates from Iraq have fled, claimed political asylum, and requisitioned the UN and US to help oust Saddam because of all the horrible, horrible things he did.
2) Freedom isn't something one can force. If the Iraqis ultimately want a Theocratic Dictator in office, all they have to do is vote one in. It's easy, and it gives one a choice in his future government. It's a nice perk.

That's my bit. Have fun.

My apologies, your thirteen, you have yet to really even see what America is about. We have our views and opinions, everyone has them. But in America, EVERYONE has a chance to make a difference. Same with Great Britian and a multitude of other countries. People take offense to someone disliking their country, always have, always will. Someone spoke of everyone their age curses, thats a way of life sadly. Trying to get accepted by peers is higher on their scale of life than having the decency of holding their tongues. I know for a fact that my views differ greatly from a majority of everyone on this board because I have had a different upbringing. But, don't let people get you down, live your life, it has yet to begin.

the thing i hate about the states is all the billboards everywhere. in canada, you can drive along the highway without any billboards destroying the scenery. but the bad thing is that if you live close to the boarder you do get american Tv, which isn't that bad all the time, but it still can be pretty bad (ie. reality shows)

Shhh....reality shows bad!!!

Probably every country has people who call other people gay for those sort of things, hell i do it. And who wouldn't like PE? I hate people who hate PE.
I don't call anything "gay" aside from homosexuals, and I despise PE. Ouch.


Look, here's the trick. We're not here to take over anywhere. Our presence in every country waxes and wanes.
But we are powerful, we tend to assert our influence. We just do. It's not taking over, and whether you like it or not it has been, since the beginning of this country's existence, our objective and destiny to spread Democracy around the world, however possible. Throughout the last century we have beaten back the forces of autocracy, dictatorship, etc in WWI, WWII, Korea, and the Cold War. This is just a new theatre, a new threat. We are establishing a beachhead of Democracy in the Middle East, so it can spread. It has to, really.
Why don't people understand that democracy can't be forced?!

1) Since 1984 rogue delegates from Iraq have fled, claimed political asylum, and requisitioned the UN and US to help oust Saddam because of all the horrible, horrible things he did.
And NOBODY CARED. That's right. Not one person gave a fuck. Ok, maybe one. I'm willing to stretch to two. But that's it. DON'T say "we're liberating them!" because nobody gave a shit about their liberation until we found out "whoops, we have no other actual reasons"

2) Freedom isn't something one can force. If the Iraqis ultimately want a Theocratic Dictator in office, all they have to do is vote one in. It's easy, and it gives one a choice in his future government. It's a nice perk.
Ha. Ha. See if that actualy happens. Do you REALLY think Iraqis will be given a totally free choice? Do you really think Bush is going to allow a theocratic dictator (or at least, one he doesn't choose)?


Look, in case you doin't know your history, there have been dozens of times in which the US was the bad guy. Big time. We've upheld just as many dictators as we've thrown down, because it suited our wants. Key word: wants, not needs.

America has become a spoiled schoolyard bully.

If you hate being American, GTFO and move to Africa or some other third world shithole. I'm sure we can go on being the most powerful nation in the world without your tripe.

Oh, yes! He'll regret the day he left USA, the single shining beacon of democracy and freedom and an island of civilization in the horrible wasteland of our planet. Why, only yesterday I went out to buy some eggs and milk and discovered that there was a war going on iin my backyard! Of course, such a thing is quite usual out here in unAmerica (which, to be fair, consists of a little more than just Africa, but it's all too similar to mention.) I was able to sneak away from them fairly easily with the skills I learned from growing up in a harsh world where only the fittest survive.

When I reached the shop, they were out of eggs and milk, but that didn't matter because all my money had been confiscated by the evil nazi dictator government anyway. I did manage to steal a small box of anchovies, though. This was really lucky, because I had actually allready eaten that week.

Of course I had to share these anchovies with the rest of my family, but that wasn't so bad because most of my relatives are dead. In fact, from the generation of my great grand parents and backwards, not one still lives!

So now you know what it's like to live in unAmerica. I bet you're glad you were born on the right side of the border now, huh?

Everyone seems to think that I think that America is the best single country out there. I have the PERSONAL OPINION that it is probably one of the most free and better places to live, but other people that is from other places will probably think the same about other countries. And the sad thing is, the person I am quoting, there are places like this. I appreciate the sarcasm, but it is really happening on this Earth. I am a right-winger, but I am going to France in about half a month. I'm not per say a 'typical' right winger. My dad isn't fond of the French. But I am looking forward to get a cultural experence and enjoy myself on my vacation.
My final advice to the starter of the thread, I'm sorry if I came off a 'typical right wing' asshole who believes America is the only thing right, but America isn't such a bad place afterall. I don't want to put down your age, but you ARE only 13. You really souldn't be worrying about it until your about 16-18. It is a pretty shitty world from about everyone's prospective, so change it. Do good in school, go to a university be a senator, representative, a President of the US. Do something about it. Write to your Senator or Rep. could even do something. Again sorry for coming off a ass, i'm usually a pretty tolerant person, but I really can't stand someone wishing that their not something, when they havn't experiences anything else in the first place yet.

Well, you could always do something about George W. Bush. Even the President of the United States has to answer to the people. Public officials can be recalled if there's enough demand. Why don't you be proactive and help the dissenters become a much stronger group?

Nein! NEIN!!! Nicht Klar und gegeben zu der möchten wurststrasse.
All your lederhosen mit lange schlange are belong to us. Someone set us up the berlinertarte.

Gotta love Deutszchs! :D

And now, seriuosly, i would like to note that quite a lot of the Americans i have met are either quite nice or quite stupid, sometimes both and the same goes for some Swedes and in a more extreme way with Russians, and certainly not with Brits.

Edit:

Because Brits are nice, im drunk\sleepy, and could someone that speaks German PLEASE explain to me what i just said.


Well, from the little that I know, you were saying someting about it not being obvious, the something about you wanting a sausage street...

Now, can a native speaker tell us what nonsense he said?

If you hate being American, GTFO and move to Africa or some other third world shithole. I'm sure we can go on being the most powerful nation in the world without your tripe.

Wow, you reacted just like every single other neoconservative that seems to forget that the right to free speech is in the first ammendment in the American Constitution (I'm a Brazilian BTW). Your words are so strong and powerful that makes me think you're trying to overcompensate for the small size of your penis by calling a thirteen-year-old that expressed his opinion "tripe". Of course, your whole country is based on dissent, so the America-hater here is you. But you won't see this. You'll just give a big hug to your big phallic homoerotic gun and try to dodge the draft that the president you helped "re"-elect will end up reinstating. If you can't live with dissent, to quote somebody, GTFO and move to Africa or some other third world shithole where no one can dare to disagree with the government.

If you hate being American, GTFO and move to Africa or some other third world shithole. I'm sure we can go on being the most powerful nation in the world without your tripe.

Or they could move to somewhere like Canada. Honestly, why would they move to a third world country?

Furthermore, fuck you, anti-american pigdog.

(...I just really wanted to use "pigdog")

You can move to another country and become a citizen there and never look back...you probably won't be missed nor will your tax dollars....have a good one. :cool:

ummm excuse me. why are we all arguing with a THIRTEEN YEAR OLD KID? He probably hasnt even stayed awake in his history classes long enough to know what the hell WW2 was about, and by the way what dictators have we empowered in other countries, I would really like to know because i haven't heard of one much less a dozen.

So what if were trying to take over the world. Kid dont you know its our manifest destiny, if you dont know what that means look it up in a history book, if you know what one looks like. Lets face it, if it wasnt us it would be somebody else, and personally im glad its us because it could have been someone like stalin, or worse hitler, their both key figures in WW2 and stalin was the reason for the cold war.

Besides dont you know man is inherintly evil. its true even the pope has skeletons in his closet. that why when you see all of your peace protesting freinds on the T.V. their always hurling rocks at the police so the police have to fire into the crowd and kill them all, well in my perfect world they do that. and another thing humanity will never stop fighting until the entire world is being controlled by one government.... AND I'LL BE DAMNED IF THAT GOVERNTMENT WILL BE UNDER THE CONTROL OF THE UNITED NATIONS. and were not techinically part of the U.N. we just pay for about half their funding thats why when our great president said hed leave they got and their hands and knees and pleaded for him to stay. muah hahahahahahaha, and im sure their was a little hehe you know, oh wait your just thriteen you dont know nor should i expose you to such foul language. i am sorry young one.

and just like everyone has been sayin when you turn 18 and your mommy and daddy finnaly let you out of the house to go live on your own, do us all a favor and join some sucidal cult wherever it is you live, end our problem and it would make you happy, so its a win win situation for me, actually thats a lie i could care less what you feel about yourself

that why when you see all of your peace protesting freinds on the T.V. their always hurling rocks at the police so the police have to fire into the crowd and kill them all, well in my perfect world they do that.

and just like everyone has been sayin when you turn 18 and your mommy and daddy finnaly let you out of the house to go live on your own, do us all a favor and join some sucidal cult wherever it is you live, end our problem and it would make you happy, so its a win win situation for me, actually thats a lie i could care less what you feel about yourself

The 13-year old is acting more mature than you. And I know some 5-year olds that would as well. If you yearn for death so much, and believe death is such an easy way to solve problems, you are the problem, not the solution.

I hate being American. Yes, it's true. I love our country, but hate it at the same time. It isn't because of George Bush, no, it's because of us. Us, the overweight, pompous, arrogant population of America that takes a crap on every country and expects them to clean it up.

Why couldn't I have been born in England, or Sweden, or Germany, or Italy or something...
You're always welcome to leave. I'll even start taking up a collection to help pay for your fare.

You're always welcome to leave. I'll even start taking up a collection to help pay for your fare.

*Cheering like a cheerleader, only being male and straight*
Go! Go! Neocons! Always use the same ridiculous and fake pseudo-points! Give me an N! Give me an E! Give me an O! Give me a C! Give me an O! Give me an N! Give me an S! What do we get? NEOCONS! YAAAAAAY!!!

You'll just give a big hug to your big phallic homoerotic gun and try to dodge the draft that the president you helped "re"-elect will end up reinstating.[/QUOTE]

LMAO they dont need the drive to instate me im in it LMAO dumbass brazilian hows the coffee beans you brazilian fuck, they must pay good for you to get 9th grade education eh. LMAO who the hell cares if my gun is homoerotic it can still kill you bitch.

sorry about that fascinating display of testosterone but i was in the mood since my last post didnt have much of it in their i was starting to feel gay

*Cheering like a cheerleader, only being male and straight*
Go! Go! Neocons! Always use the same ridiculous and fake pseudo-points! Give me an N! Give me an E! Give me an O! Give me a C! Give me an O! Give me an N! Give me an S! What do we get? NEOCONS! YAAAAAAY!!!
You have obviously lost your mind. I'm not even conservative, much less "neo-conservative." Perhaps if you bothered to actually ... you know ... like *think* before posting insults?

LMAO they dont need the drive to instate me im in it LMAO dumbass brazilian hows the coffee beans you brazilian fuck, they must pay good for you to get 9th grade education eh. LMAO who the hell cares if my gun is homoerotic it can still kill you bitch.

sorry about that fascinating display of testosterone but i was in the mood since my last post didnt have much of it in their i was starting to feel gay

You don't know the first thing about Brazilian culture. FYI, I don't drink coffee and have very rarely saw coffee beans personally. And I DARE you to try and come here to kill me, you overcompensating, bully, megalomaniac, raving idiot.

You have obviously lost your mind. I'm not even conservative, much less "neo-conservative." Perhaps if you bothered to actually ... you know ... like *think* before posting insults?

You're not a neocon? Geez, sorry, you copied what EACH ONE OF THEM SAID enough that I - or anyone else - could see no difference. "Disagree? Leave, you HEATHEN AMURKA-HATER"
Heh.
I didn't insult you, though your very existance is an insult to humanity. There, I just DID insult you.

You don't know the first thing about Brazilian culture. FYI, I don't drink coffee and have very rarely saw coffee beans personally. And I DARE you to try and come here to kill me, you overcompensating, bully, megalomaniac, raving idiot.
Jeeze. This guy really does have a problem with his headspace and timing! Whew!

This topic is boring me.
But the German part has not.
The English language has influences from all over the world, but English is MOSTLY Germanic. Old English was mostly Germanic... if not completely, I could be mistaken.
But compare something written in German it's translation to something written in French or whatever other language was mentioned and it's English translation and you'll see a lot more English/German similarities than with another language.

Old English was Germanic. Angles and Saxons were both Germanic tribes. Norse exerted its influence from the north. Then you have French, which transformed the vocabulary.

Frankly, this is a much more interesting subject than whether American dissenters should be illegally exiled to Africa.

*Cheering like a cheerleader, only being male and straight*
Go! Go! Neocons! Always use the same ridiculous and fake pseudo-points! Give me an N! Give me an E! Give me an O! Give me a C! Give me an O! Give me an N! Give me an S! What do we get? NEOCONS! YAAAAAAY!!!

You're pretty fucking stupid and arrogant to make an assumption that Eutrusca is a neo-conservative based on absolutely nothing. Stop throwing the word neocon around if you don't know what the fuck it means.

Thanks to Helgahn, I laughed so hard I spewed soda out of my nose.

So taking over the world is our duty, eh? God wants America to conquer everything? Please never post again, because if you do I will most likely explode from laughter.

Before everyone runs off into language crap, I'd like to thank you all contributing to this thread. Some of your sayings have swayed me while others (Helgahn's for instance) have taught me some people older than me are much stupider than me.

This thread has been a Buechoria, Ltd. production.

You're pretty fucking stupid and arrogant to make an assumption that Eutrusca is a neo-conservative based on absolutely nothing. Stop throwing the word neocon around if you don't know what the fuck it means.

He told a guy that disagrees with the government to leave. That's pretty neocon in my book. Heed your own advice, though, and don't use the word "fuck" if you don't know what it means...

Telling them to leave is not neoconservatism. If you honestly don't like a place and the people in it, wouldnt it be wise to leave? If someone doesnt like a movie and complains about it and you tell them to leave, are you being neoconservative? Neoconservatism requires alot more than that. Neoconservatism requires strict moral regulations, attacks on freedom of speech (and nowhere did Eutrusca say, "you have no right to dislike america"), and generally invasions of privacy. Make your conclusions and fuck, fuckity, fuck too.

The premise is the same. When Brazil was a military dictatorship, they had a policy of "if you don't like it, leave" too. It was called "extradicting whoever disagreed with the government".
I still am not convinced that you know what a fuck means :p

Well, the US isnt a military dictatorship and Eutrusca isn't government and he did not advocate forced exile.

By the way, if someone doesn't like a movie, I discuss with them the reason why. But that's beyond the point, as I'm sure you'd not be enough of an idiot to compare a simple thing as a taste on a movie to moving to another country.

I hate being American. Yes, it's true. I love our country, but hate it at the same time. It isn't because of George Bush, no, it's because of us. Us, the overweight, pompous, arrogant population of America that takes a crap on every country and expects them to clean it up.

Why couldn't I have been born in England, or Sweden, or Germany, or Italy or something...
Sounds like you need some :fluffle:

Sounds like you need some :fluffle:

I don't think he needs a pair of smileys. However, if you meant "a new president", I think that's right on the spot...

The smiley's make me scared.

I don't think he needs a pair of smileys. However, if you meant "a new president", I think that's right on the spot...
um he said it had nothing about wanting a new president ... (in fact the oposite)
so what makes you think he needs a new president (at least to change his disposition)

To reside in the nation that brings liberalism to the world is quite an embarrassment indeed.

um he said it had nothing about wanting a new president ... (in fact the oposite)
so what makes you think he needs a new president (at least to change his disposition)

Oh, sorry, I meant what WE need.
What HE needs and deserves is to have his opinion taken into account without the repu-"if-you-don't-like-it-leave-you-damn-hippie"-blicans.

You're always welcome to leave. I'll even start taking up a collection to help pay for your fare.

Good lord man!

Such talk from an ex-officer.

He's only 13.

To reside in the nation that brings liberalism to the world is quite an embarrassment indeed.

The US is very conservative, unless you mean economically, in which case I agree. If you mean politically, we're much more liberal than you are, and I strongly advise against having a problem with that.

If you hate being American, GTFO and move to Africa or some other third world shithole. I'm sure we can go on being the most powerful nation in the world without your tripe.

Why would hemove to some 'third world shithole' when there are plenty of other countries that aren't third-world but aren't full of dickheads like you either?

The US is very conservative, unless you mean economically, in which case I agree. If you mean politically, we're much more liberal than you are, and I strongly advise against having a problem with that.
Yes, the U.S. is much more liberal than the rest of the world. It leads the world in its liberalism.

Yes, the U.S. is much more liberal than the rest of the world. It leads the world in its liberalism.
you are kidding right?

I'm Brazilian. When I said "we're much more liberal" I meant we the rest of the world.

By the way, if someone doesn't like a movie, I discuss with them the reason why. But that's beyond the point, as I'm sure you'd not be enough of an idiot to compare a simple thing as a taste on a movie to moving to another country.

I was making a point that there wasnt enough evidence gathered to make that conclusion, and it was bit rash to throw around labels.

Yes, the U.S. is much more liberal than the rest of the world. It leads the world in its liberalism.

I'd rather have the US be the most liberal nation in the world than your World Order, any day.

I was making a point that there wasnt enough evidence gathered to make that conclusion, and it was bit rash to throw around labels.

Well, regardless, a person that goes "if you don't like it, leave" in such a display of militaristic/fascist behavior, isn't exactly someone to look up to, and deserves mockery.

Are people so foolish to say that America leads the world not in liberalism?
It is the cause of the spread of the disease!

Have you seriously lost your mind, dude?

Are people so foolish to say that America leads the world not in liberalism?
It is the cause of the spread of the disease!


Yes, letting people do what they want as long as they don't mess with the lives of others is such a disease. Almost as bad as thinking for yourself.

Have you seriously lost your mind, dude?
You assume he/she had one to start with

I hate being American.
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By liberalism , Defensor most likely means such Enlightment values such as scientific enquiry, democracy,freedom, modernism and social progress, the values of the Revolution, which I am proud to say that the US did ignite those flames and gave as it a gift to the rest of the world.

*sigh*You and 59,027,612 other people who voted. Plus half of us who couldn't :( .

Yes, letting people do what they want as long as they don't mess with the lives of others is such a disease. Almost as bad as thinking for yourself.
The liberalist virus has spread far enough.

By liberalism , defensor most likely means such Enlightment values such as scientific enquiry, democracy,freedom, modernism and social progress, the values of the Revolution, which I am proud to say that the US did ignite those flames and gave as it a gift to the rest of the world.
He likes to live in the past doesn't he?

my brother hates americans for being as u say overwieth and pompous and everything else. i hav no opinion on the pple as yet. american tv's kwl.
i live in oz which accordin 2 the sydney Morning Herald a lot of americanos would love to visit if they could afford it.
Black forrest is a kwl name. did u get it from the black forest in germany or from somewhere else?

you hate being american? you hate being in the most charitable country in the world? you hate being in one of the two countries that gives your favirote organazation (the UN) 90% of its funding? you know why we're 'all' so overweight? because we can be!! i bet you hate our waistfullness too right? so what would you rather us do, eat he food and be overweight, or waiste it all? the US does NOT want to take over the whole world, have we made any indication of that? no. we attacked iraq, afghanistan and who else since bush has been in office? hardly the whole world. if you hate being an american, go to a country like vietnam, or china, or somalia... where it really is bad! you dont know how lucky you are to be an american! my gf's dad lived in vietnam when he was younger, if he didnt eat his food as quick as possible, people would beat him up and take it from him! he had to ride his bike like 10 miles everyday to go to school, and his bike got stolen a lot! its MUCH better here! my friends family used to live in iraq. the saddam ruled iraq. they fled iraq to get away from saddam, and are now happy with what the US is doing there! i dont think you realize how happy you should be to be an american! why do you think people are always coming HERE? think about it... why do most people who leave their country come to the US instead of britan (which is a great country too) or japan or canada? because its better HERE for them! you should be happy and proud to be an american!

you hate being american? you hate being in the most charitable country in the world? you hate being in one of the two countries that gives your favirote organazation (the UN) 90% of its funding? you know why we're 'all' so overweight? because we can be!! i bet you hate our waistfullness too right? so what would you rather us do, eat he food and be overweight, or waiste it all? the US does NOT want to take over the whole world, have we made any indication of that? no. we attacked iraq, afghanistan and who else since bush has been in office? hardly the whole world. if you hate being an american, go to a country like vietnam, or china, or somalia... where it really is bad! you dont know how lucky you are to be an american! my gf's dad lived in vietnam when he was younger, if he didnt eat his food as quick as possible, people would beat him up and take it from him! he had to ride his bike like 10 miles everyday to go to school, and his bike got stolen a lot! its MUCH better here! my friends family used to live in iraq. the saddam ruled iraq. they fled iraq to get away from saddam, and are now happy with what the US is doing there! i dont think you realize how happy you should be to be an american! why do you think people are always coming HERE? think about it... why do most people who leave their country come to the US instead of britan (which is a great country too) or japan or canada? because its better HERE for them! you should be happy and proud to be an american!
One minor gripe: The US gives the UN 22% of its budget. Sorry I couldnt resist.

The corrupt left-wing U.S. will fall. The people will be liberated.

my brother hates americans for being as u say overwieth and pompous and everything else. i hav no opinion on the pple as yet. american tv's kwl.
i live in oz which accordin 2 the sydney Morning Herald a lot of americanos would love to visit if they could afford it.
Black forrest is a kwl name. did u get it from the black forest in germany or from somewhere else?

jeez, hating people for being overweight is so tolerant! and who's the one being pompous now?(referring to your brother)

The corrupt left-wing U.S. will fall. The people will be liberated.

Generally, liberation and liberalism/Libertarianism go together.

Generally, liberation and liberalism/Libertarianism go together.
No, they don't. Liberalism holds the people enslaved.

No, they don't. Liberalism holds the people enslaved.
So does religion ... so?

No, they don't. Liberalism holds the people enslaved.

Enslaved to social freedoms? Other than communists, I don't really see where you're going with this.

The corrupt left-wing U.S. will fall. The people will be liberated.
Given that EXACTLY 99% of people voted for either Bush or Kerry and the person you probably most supported among the third-party candidates (Michael Peroutka) got .012%, wouldn't you say that people are satisfied with the status quo?

One minor gripe: The US gives the UN 22% of its budget. Sorry I couldnt resist.
really? i heard the US and japan give the UN 90% of its funding... eh oh well, 22% is still a big chunk, and it the US does give the most money to other countries in need after natural disasters and such, and we get no help from them back.

Enslaved to social freedoms? Other than communists, I don't really see where you're going with this.
Deluded in evil...

I'm just gonna shove my two cents in just for the hell of it...

Now, I really don't care what anyone else's view on America is, but to tell you the truth I wouldn't trade my place with anyone else on this planet.


My ancestors came from Norway to the United States in the 1870s and settled in the then Dakota Territory which soon became North Dakota and South Dakota in 1889. They got their 160 acres of land from the government and went from there. Over the years we've grown to encompass well over 9000 acres of prime Red River Valley land, where every mile you find a road, the ground is perfectly flat, and the only trees you find are in shelterbelts. And if I had the chance... I wouldn't change a bit of it, I'm damn glad I'm an American. And more specifically, I'm proud to be a North Dakotan (1 of 600,000), I wouldn't trade that title for any other title whether it be state or country.

Now, I'm not bashing any other country or those that reside in them, I'm just stating the I'd much rather be living in the United States than any other country.

really? i heard the US and japan give the UN 90% of its funding... eh oh well, 22% is still a big chunk, and it the US does give the most money to other countries in need after natural disasters and such, and we get no help from them back.
Anecdotal evidence … so convincing

This guy told me once … cause he is an expert … to not trust anecdotal evidence

Deluded in evil...

Whatever you say, man... keep on puffing that opium pipe.

Whatever you say, man... keep on puffing that opium pipe.
Maybe he/she meant they were deluded in evil ?

Oh Boo Hoo Hoo, Cry me a river whiner. Heres an idea. Try doing something.

AS for wishing you were born in another country, as somebody who has lived all over the world....lets see. Germany, unemployment, economy in a tailspin, neo nazi-ism on the rise as a response to a large tide of immigrants which is causing cutural problems...England- 50% of those surveyed had become blind drunk at least twice a week, the incidence of hooliganism (i.e. bar fights, violent crimes not involving guns) is amazingly common, in fact, the noticeable thing about going out in America is the lack of violence here in everyday situations...Sweeden, you might want to take a look at their suicide rate....perhaps the people there know something you don't. The fact of the matter is, thinking that you are the worst is just as arrogant as thinking you are the best, you in America sometimes love to sit and complain about how bad it is in the U.S. Gee, that must be why everybody is clamoring to move there.
Heres an idea, go to your bank account, take out another 1/3 of whats in there, throw it in the trash. Ok, now you know what it's like in Sweeden.

He told a guy that disagrees with the government to leave. That's pretty neocon in my book. Heed your own advice, though, and don't use the word "f<deleted from original text>" if you don't know what it means...

NeoCon isn't an authoritarian thing, it's a foreign policy thing.

I'm no NeoCon, but NeoCons are not Fascists. Imperialists, sometimes, Fascists, no.

I hate being American. Yes, it's true. I love our country, but hate it at the same time. It isn't because of George Bush, no, it's because of us. Us, the overweight, pompous, arrogant population of America that takes a crap on every country and expects them to clean it up.

Why couldn't I have been born in England, or Sweden, or Germany, or Italy or something...
No one's stopping you from leaving...and don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.

Anecdotal evidence … so convincing

This guy told me once … cause he is an expert … to not trust anecdotal evidence
i heard it during the presidential debates i think... i cant really remember cause i have a headache right now, but im pretty sure i heard it there or on the news. it was a reliable source though, i know that much.

Whatever you say, man... keep on puffing that opium pipe.
Ah, Defensor...we all love hearing your fantasies and conspiracies about how a religion of 14 million could control the entire world. And how Rush Limbaugh really isn't conservative. You make some good comedy relief.

Ah, Defensor...we all love hearing your fantasies and conspiracies about how a religion of 14 million could control the entire world. And how Rush Limbaugh really isn't conservative. You make some good comedy relief.
A religion?

He likes to live in the past doesn't he?

For traditional Catholics, the Age of Enlightenment was worse than the Reformation

A religion?
Hey everybody, let's all laugh at the cranky old man. HAHAHA! I feel much better now.

For traditional Catholics, the Age of Enlightenment was worse than the Reformation
"Age of Enlightenment?" "Reformation?" :confused:

i heard it during the presidential debates i think... i cant really remember cause i have a headache right now, but im pretty sure i heard it there or on the news. it was a reliable source though, i know that much.
I guess you didn’t catch my joke about anecdotal evidence … unless you can source it , and it is that you “heard it somewhere” it is anecdotal

an•ec•dot•al P Pronunciation Key ( n k-d t l)
adj.
1. also an•ec•dot•ic (-d t k) or an•ec•dot•i•cal (- -k l) Of, characterized by, or full of anecdotes.
2. Based on casual observations or indications rather than rigorous or scientific analysis: “There are anecdotal reports of children poisoned by hot dogs roasted over a fire of the [oleander] stems” (C. Claiborne Ray).


Saying you heard it somewhere reputable does not really change things sorry


Would be interested in seeing the info when/if you find it

"Age of Enlightenment?" "Reformation?" :confused:
Don't stop, man! Keep 'em coming!

I hate being American. Yes, it's true. I love our country, but hate it at the same time. It isn't because of George Bush, no, it's because of us. Us, the overweight, pompous, arrogant population of America that takes a crap on every country and expects them to clean it up.

Why couldn't I have been born in England, or Sweden, or Germany, or Italy or something...

Don't like America? Fine, leave.

If you don't like America and you live in America,get the f out the country!

I may or may not be repaeting someone in here and I may or may not be correct but, You brought 11/9 on yourselves...and it's for the reasons the author of this forum said

I may or may not be repaeting someone in here and I may or may not be correct but, You brought 11/9 on yourselves...and it's for the reasons the author of this forum said
And who are you?

I may or may not be repaeting someone in here and I may or may not be correct but, You brought 11/9 on yourselves...and it's for the reasons the author of this forum said
That comes along with the same thinking as “all the other countries deserve everything they get” cause they bring it on themselves

Sheesh … cause in that way of thinking the US doesn’t ever do anything bad to countries because the brought it on their self

Dumb

I hate being American. Yes, it's true. I love our country, but hate it at the same time. It isn't because of George Bush, no, it's because of us. Us, the overweight, pompous, arrogant population of America that takes a crap on every country and expects them to clean it up.

Why couldn't I have been born in England, or Sweden, or Germany, or Italy or something...
:fluffle: :upyours: Unfortunately, dear Buechoria, we're dropped where we are, and unless you can gain access to a time machine (or Tardis), you can't change it. Did you vote, perchance? I'm assuming you're at least 18, and if you ARE and DIDN'T, or if you haven't joined some political group to try to CHANGE what you hate, then all your boo-hooing isn't going to help. I, too, get disgusted over our tendency to grab everything, stuff our faces, and crap on the rest of the world. It's something we've been doing since 1945, I suppose. Don't worry, though, as no country stays on top forever. Then, when it's THEIR turn to crap on us, you can feel better. Until then, hang on and grit your teeth. Dubya won't be dictator, and Democrats WILL eventually get it right. Of course, we'll probably all be a hundred pounds heavier by then...

An Australian *leaves room to watch the cricket for a while*

And, dear viewers, this is what happens when you express you views on Nation States. *Dodges incoming tomatoes*

I may or may not be repaeting someone in here and I may or may not be correct but, You brought 11/9 on yourselves...and it's for the reasons the author of this forum said

No one brought that on themselves,...that was murder plain and simple...did those childern in one of those planes bring that death upon themselves? When a woman gets raped or a child gets kidnapped or murdered,did they bring it on themselves? did they have it coming? You are being foolish, you are blaming the victims for the what some criminals did to them...you are one sick puppy

I may or may not be repaeting someone in here and I may or may not be correct but, You brought 11/9 on yourselves...and it's for the reasons the author of this forum said

...11/9? Boy, that's just great intelligence you've got.

And, dear viewers, this is what happens when you express you views on Nation States. *Dodges incoming tomatoes*

But it's good to express your thoughts...I'm sure there are plenty of people who feel like wise about this topic

And, dear viewers, this is what happens when you express you views on Nation States. *Dodges incoming tomatoes*
What were you posting so that everyone would just say yup? Or not talk about it at all?
If so what was your purpose in posting if that is all you wanted
I mean it really was not all that informative of post so it was not really a “sharing of information” like a journal would be …

I am confused if you did not want discussion what did you want?

I may or may not be repaeting someone in here and I may or may not be correct but, You brought 11/9 on yourselves...and it's for the reasons the author of this forum said

Yeah, I really could remember exactly how I personally helped contribute to bring 9/11 down upon my nation.

...11/9? Boy, that's just great intelligence you've got.

See this is what I'm talking about, if you weren't so ignorant you would know that we don't all say 9/11 the American way

And why do you even care if you're American? Jeez, people get so uptight about this petty stuff. Oh, look I'm American! I'm so great! Or, I'm American, I hate myself! It's not really a big deal in my book if you're american or not, just don't go dissing all Americans with stupid generalizations.

:fluffle: :upyours: Unfortunately, dear Buechoria, we're dropped where we are, and unless you can gain access to a time machine (or Tardis), you can't change it. Did you vote, perchance? I'm assuming you're at least 18, and if you ARE and DIDN'T, or if you haven't joined some political group to try to CHANGE what you hate, then all your boo-hooing isn't going to help. I, too, get disgusted over our tendency to grab everything, stuff our faces, and crap on the rest of the world. It's something we've been doing since 1945, I suppose. Don't worry, though, as no country stays on top forever. Then, when it's THEIR turn to crap on us, you can feel better. Until then, hang on and grit your teeth. Dubya won't be dictator, and Democrats WILL eventually get it right. Of course, we'll probably all be a hundred pounds heavier by then...

Of course he isn't 18, if you actually bothered to read the start of this thread you would have realised that.

And what the hell does a time machine have to do with where you are 'dropped'? Ever heard of transportation?

Yeah, I really could remember exactly how I personally helped contribute to bring 9/11 down upon my nation.

I'm pretty sure you are allowed to protest about globalization instead of sitting around and waiting for it to happen.

See this is what I'm talking about, if you weren't so ignorant you would know that we don't all say 9/11 the American way

Well he is alot more intelligent than some talking anus who said that the victims of 11/9 got what they deserved

I like canada because it is in fact friendly and it's TV is a gajillion times better. No reality TV ! w00t.

Unfortunately, I'm 13. So I'll reconsider the proposal when I'm older.

And you have a coin with a duck on it. It's called the loony. I like it.
Loony, thats a funny name for a coin. I live near Canada so I have lots of Loonies. Hehe I love that word! :D

I'm pretty sure you are allowed to protest about globalization instead of sitting around and waiting for it to happen.
How do you know they weren’t?

I'm pretty sure you are allowed to protest about globalization instead of sitting around and waiting for it to happen.
Protesting globalization is protesting democracy.

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LOL

Protesting globalization is protesting democracy.
Um globalization != democracy … or would you like me to go look for the dictionary definitions to prove it?

Unfortunately, I'm 13

Ah, that explains the semi-retarded posts.

Please post again in about 5 years. I am hoping your brain will be working by then :)

Well he is alot more intelligent than some talking anus who said that the victims of 11/9 got what they deserved

lol that was me...I think the rest of the world has a love-hate relationship with America:

We're dicks. We're reckless arrogant stupid dicks. And the film actor's guild are pussies. And kim jong il is an asshole. Pussies don't like dicks because pussies get fucked by dicks. But dicks also fuck assholes. Assholes who just want to shit on everything. Pussies may think they can deal with assholes their way, but the only thing that can fuck an asshole is a dick...with some balls. The problem with dicks is that sometimes they fuck too much or fuck when it isn't appropriate and it takes a pussy to show them that. But sometimes pussies get so full of shit they become assholes themselves because pussies are only an inch an a half away from assholes. I don't know much in this crazy crazy world, but I do know that if you don't let us fuck this asshole, we are gonna have our dicks and our pussies all covered in shit. if that makes sense

Well he is alot more intelligent than some talking anus who said that the victims of 11/9 got what they deserved

He never said that the victims of 9/11 got what they deserved, he said that America as a nation brought it upon itself - and it did.

Well he is alot more intelligent than some talking anus who said that the victims of 11/9 got what they deserved

He didn't mean the individuals he meant the country. And if the other guy is to ignorant to realize 11/9 and 9/11 mean the same damn thing he really is that stupid.

He never said that the victims of 9/11 got what they deserved, he said that America as a nation brought it upon itself - and it did.
And just like I said

By that logic every country that the US has ever mistreated … in fact that ANYONE has ever mistreated “brought it on themselves”

I would love to visit Canada but I would NEVER live there it's to liberal for me.America is the best country in the world we are innocent until proven guilty in alot of countries you are guilty until proven innocent.Plus we are not trying to take over the world.I don't see where you even get that from.We aren't looking at every chance to be in a war unlike other countries {coughRussiacough}. ;)

And just like I said

By that logic every country that the US has ever mistreated … in fact that ANYONE has ever mistreated “brought it on themselves”

And you could be quite right with that logic, but you'd have to be certain there was legitimate cause and then you'd be correct.

I like canada because it is in fact friendly and it's TV is a gajillion times better. No reality TV ! w00t.

Unfortunately, I'm 13. So I'll reconsider the proposal when I'm older.

And you have a coin with a duck on it. It's called the loony. I like it.

umm yeah, you see, when you grow some pubes and hit puberty you will realise the rest of the world isnt a happy go lucky place.

These sorts of idiocies and such are what democracy brings upon its slaves.

And you could be quite right with that logic, but you'd have to be certain there was legitimate cause and then you'd be correct.
So what is legitimate cause for 9/11 ? what was the threshold for killing innocents in that manner?

Though I understand your sentiments, the US is better than many other countries. Granted, that doesn't make it good, just better.


Chilis is better than McDonalds.

Nevertheless, neither are fine dining, nor even particularly good food.

And just like I said

By that logic every country that the US has ever mistreated … in fact that ANYONE has ever mistreated “brought it on themselves”

By admitting that the US have mistreated countries you are answering your own question. The US did such, and in 9/11 got their comeuppance. Simple as that.

umm yeah, you see, when you grow some pubes and hit puberty you will realise the rest of the world isnt a happy go lucky place.

It would if overbearing politically correct capitalist pigs didn't exist.

By admitting that the US have mistreated countries you are answering your own question. The US did such, and in 9/11 got their comeuppance. Simple as that.
Same question what was the level of mistreatment for 9/11 that was required to kill inosents in such a manner?

Democrats WILL eventually get it right


:rolleyes: when will people ever realize the Democrats aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer.If they ever get it right it will be a long,long long time from now. :D

So what is legitimate cause for 9/11 ? what was the threshold for killing innocents in that manner?

I'm not here to argue that. I was defending your logic. I don't think there is ever cause for the murdering of thousands.

your a douche

I'm not here to argue that. I was defending your logic. I don't think there is ever cause for the murdering of thousands.
Was not my logic rather an extention of theirs ... and I agree NO reason ... I mean I can *understand* (not like but understand) if there are accidental casulties in a military conflict but that is not quite the same ...
(sorry know this is going to sound bad but ... cant think of a better way to phrase it)

your a douche


Ouch, that hurt man.

By admitting that the US have mistreated countries you are answering your own question. The US did such, and in 9/11 got their comeuppance. Simple as that.

Pax Americana and you better get used to it, those are the consequences and the rest of the world better get ready for it because its going to be one hairy ride...we are going to make the world safe for global capitalism whether the world wants it or not

is that how you spell douche?

Was not my logic rather an extention of theirs ... and I agree NO reason ... I mean I can *understand* (not like but understand) if there are accidental casulties in a military conflict but that is not quite the same ...
(sorry know this is going to sound bad but ... cant think of a better way to phrase it)

Nah, I understand and agree with you.

Question, everyone complains about the UN but wasn't it orginally proposed by the US?

Nah, I understand and agree with you.

Question, everyone complains about the UN but wasn't it orginally proposed by the US?
Dont quote me but I believe so ... at least a "global organization" not sure if the details were or not ...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Buechoria
I hate being American.


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That was great!Great comeback! :D

I believe my job is done, I can almost smell your Yanks' patriotism (or lack thereof) from across the Pacific...

I believe my job is done, I can almost smell your Yanks' patriotism (or lack thereof) from across the Pacific...
Naw was more upset over your idiocy then any “side” I may be on (or lack of logic … whatever)

"In fact, UN dues are assessed according to a country's share of the world economy or GNP. The US is assessed 25% because that is its share of the world economy,"

UN dues (http://www.americans-world.org/digest/global_issues/un/un3b.cfm)

Lets answer that question once and for all...

Naw was more upset over your idiocy then any “side” I may be on (or lack of logic … whatever)

Maybe patriotism is the was the wrong word to use, maybe passion was teh right one. Anyway I think what I meant was the fact of the matter is that this forum is a black-and-white affair - your either are or you aren't

I agree there is a problem with American citizens. Am I ashamed to be an American? No and I never will be. The issues I have with American citizens are as follows: uninformed, dumb and ignorant. :headbang: Americans are so uniformed it's mind-boggoling. FOX-NEWS is not a legitimate news channel. It is so right-wing biased it's ridiculous. Americans are so obssessed with voting for Fantasia or whoever on American Idol, they don't take the time to vote for the President. And for most even if they do vote it is an uniformed vote. Dumb are we ever! In 2000 Al Gore was clearly a better canidate for the Office of the President. But America wanted "a man they could have a beer with" so Bush was "elected." Because the average American is gonna have a beer with Bushie anytime soon :D ! The President of the United States of America should be better then the average "Joe Schmo." If not why doesn't "Joe Schmo" run for office and kill us all. :headbang: Cultural ignorance is another problem. Freedom fries? Give me a break. French fries aren't even french! And yes many countries write 11/9 instead of 9/11. Deal. And now that I'm on the subject of September 11th 2001 :( did those people deserve to die? No. Is it Bush's fault for ignoring the memos on a planned terroist attack? Yes. Why was he reelected? :confused: You got me. By the way i would appericiate informed feedback. Epically if you oppose my thinking. I wish peace for America and all other nations. And I still love the word Looney! :D

Maybe patriotism is the was the wrong word to use, maybe passion was teh right one. Anyway I think what I meant was the fact of the matter is that this forum is a black-and-white affair - your either are or you aren't
Are or aren't what?

Bush got elected because Democrats are stupid! They still haven't realized America cares about morals.He tried to lean both ways. In case you haven't noticed I am very right-winged I helped do campaigns for Missouri. :cool:

:rolleyes: when will people ever realize the Democrats aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer.If they ever get it right it will be a long,long long time from now. :D
We are the brightest stars in the galaxy. The problem is fear corrupting the citizens leaving the Republican a free ticket to take America to hell!

How do the citizens of America fear Republicans?

Are or aren't what?

Are or aren't proud to abe an American

Love it or leave it, baby.

The US is the superpower for a reason. Apparently, we are right, and Europe is wrong. Accept it.

The only reason Americans don't vote for Dem. is becuase they lean both ways and don't support morals all they want is money and power.I love debating things like this it's so fun! :D

Bush got elected because Democrats are stupid! They still haven't realized America cares about morals.He tried to lean both ways. In case you haven't noticed I am very right-winged I helped do campaigns for Missouri. :cool:
Morals don't matter in war. Bush got elected thanks to Karl Roves sneaky techniques. Bush deserves to burn in hell for killing all those people on 9/11 :mad: . He is way over his head and should be impeached for bringing us into Iraq, sperating the country and ignoring those memos. And by the way Democrats care about America not Halliburton so they should have the Presidency not some draft-dodging booze-loving village idiot from Texas.

I believe my job is done, I can almost smell your Yanks' patriotism (or lack thereof) from across the Pacific...

Yes, it travels over here like a tsunami... although considering it didn't affect America I guess that reference would miss the mark with most people on the forums.

Are or aren't proud to abe an American
Ahhh well it is a “Fairly” binary issue …

I have no exceeding pride in the place I was born I love my local area and the people in it but beyond that …

How do the citizens of America fear Republicans? They fear another 9/11. And the Republicans tell them electing Kerry will bring another 9/11. They dont fear Republicans they fear 9/11.

Yes, it travels over here like a tsunami... although considering it didn't affect America I guess that reference would miss the mark with most people here.
Yeah cause obviously I am an American and I couldn’t possibly listen to the news cause all I watch is fox and they told me that something bad happened over east somewhere cause they are devil spawn

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The only reason Americans don't vote for Dem. is becuase they lean both ways and don't support morals all they want is money and power.I love debating things like this it's so fun! :D
MORALS DONT MATTER!

The only reason Americans don't vote for Dem. is becuase they lean both ways and don't support morals all they want is money and power.I love debating things like this it's so fun! :D
No that would be the Republicans. i think you are confused. My father is a phycologist he can help you. Oh and by the way you respond to my long message I will personaly respond to you!

Love it or leave it, baby.

The US is the superpower for a reason. Apparently, we are right, and Europe is wrong. Accept it.

Actually the US is a superpower because:

a) You have the greatest influence on the world
b) You have the bombs

Actually the US is a superpower because:

a) You have the greatest influence on the world
b) You have the bombs
All I'm gonna say is : very true and :D

So many peopole have ignored this. You guys are making me sad :(

Why move? Why not change things? This is America. No matter what some people here might tell you, you ARE allowed to disagree with the way things work, then try to change them.

Shocking, I know.

You know whats good ? bacon.

some one close this thread alread.

Yes, it travels over here like a tsunami... although considering it didn't affect America I guess that reference would miss the mark with most people on the forums.

That's harsh, we're talking about your ignorance here not untargeted adverse phenomena that has left at least 8000 people dead (twice the amount of 11/9)

So many peopole have ignored this. You guys are making me sad :(

Why move? Why not change things? This is America. No matter what some people here might tell you, you ARE allowed to disagree with the way things work, then try to change them.

Shocking, I know.
Good point and no this thread should not be closed this is too much fun!

People should be proud to live in the US,the strongest country in the world,we kick ass ok.You should be proud to live in the US so you can run your damn mouth off about stupid shit about America.You can live in America and hate it and talk shit about it.Be thankful that America puts up with that shit