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Gen Curtis E LeMay[/B]]
- as an aside, what the fuvk would happen to me if I opened a bar called womanhole? -


lol, the femnazis would cut your balls off, but Id check it out for sure.

moderating their sick promiscous behavior.
BTW, if I was in power, I would cut all AIDS funding.


ok, i could attack every word you typed, but im kinda tired, so... these 2 will do:


1st one: we have gentlemans clubs that say nude girls! beaver shots!

so dont call their actions disgusting, we are worse.

2nd one: so your saying that you are so discriminating, that you will let people in dire need of help, die?
if i ever see you hanging on a cliff, what do you think i would do?
do my damndest to save your ass, and ask if your ok, even though i fucking hate you, because letting a person die when they dont need to is just as bad as murder.

Oh God forbid they could actually do something about their behavior first and, like, earn the respect of people.

Face it, Gay marraige was unanimously voted down in every state where it was on the ballot. Vox Populi Vox Dei, &ct. If it really matters to the gay community, they will start working towards it by moderating their sick promiscous behavior. I suggest not calling gay bars "manhole" as a start.

- as an aside, what the fuvk would happen to me if I opened a bar called womanhole? -

Either it means something, and it is part of the sacred undying love they are always telling us about; in which case they will actually change their behavior to get it; Or it is just yet another mindless rant from the gay community. BTW, if I was in power, I would cut all AIDS funding.

OMFG!!!!!!!!! You amazing HYPOCRITE! SICK PROMISCUOUS BEHAVIOR??? CUT ALL AIDS FUNDING???? Are you stoned or just too stupid to draw breath of your own violition? Look no farther than your local straight bar for sick promiscuous behavior, you ancephalic primate. By your reasoning, STRAIGHT people should be denied both marriage and a cure for AIDs, moreso than homosexuals. ESPECIALLY straight people under the age of 21.

Your obvious hatred of gays is so offensive, I actually feel sick after having read your last few posts. It's a good thing that a brainless, spiteful reprobate such as yourself isn't in power (and honey, YOU have made George W look intelligent and compassionate by comparison) or we'd end up with a shortage of straight men for women to choose from. There are no words for how much I dislike the picture of you that your postings paint.

haha, the new dude is mean!

Seriously, though, I don't know where to begin--it's just too much! I have neither the time nor the energy. Maybe some other sane person can answer this for you.

And by the way, GAYS did not START AIDS. That's a myth started by homophobes like you.

And something to really freak you out--having gay lovers was extremely common in ancient times in many many different cultures, which means that some of your very own ancestors probably took part in homosexual "acts of love."


didn't AIDS mutate from some monkey virus, or was that something else?

i find it very interesting the way the homosexuals in this forum think.

I think there could be a list started to why you think the way you do.

A. instead of admitting that you made the decision to be gay and taking responsibility, you say you were born that way to make yourself feel better.

B. Gays are like any other highschool clique. imposing themselves upon others in a manner far different then a simple wardrobe or hair-style.

people are finding new ways to stand out and this is one of those extremes.

C. Mental/Hormonal imbalances(i have no research or anything to prove it but there has got to be something wrong with your head.)

D. Insecurities. their is something about yourself you dont like and experimenting with those you feel most comforable with(same sex) is your self-expression.

if homosexuality was right, god would have made men be able to have kids out their asses. because afterall that is the whole point in sex....procreation. thats why even anal and oral with the opposing sex is wrong.

A.Did you choose to be staight? I didn't, and I doubt that you did either. You don't CHOOSE who you're attracted to. If you were a Monkeysexual, you'd be attracted to monkeys, no matter what you wanted to choose to be attracted to.
B.Erm...wha? I'm sorry, but eviangical, racist, facist, conservative, sexist, homophobic a-holes are the ones who are imposing their ways upon others 99.9% of the time.
C.Look harder for unbiased sources. Or are search engines that hard to use?
D.Riiiiight. That's like saying that little kids have something they don't like about themselves since they don't mingle with the opp. sex much due to "cooties".
E.Go back to the stone age, where people held that view. Humans have advanced FAR beyond baby-making machines. If we hadn't, there wouldn't be civilization, since most of it doesn't help baby-making much. The world has too many people already, anyway.

you cant believe everything you see or hear right? not all scientific discoveries are 100 percent true. what if some data was read wrong or something was tested or interpreted wrong. dont believe all scientists.
The same goes for your "science". Using RELIABLE, NON-BIASED sources for info gets rid of almost all of the the accuracy problem.

the problem, is we are both wrong can you really say that you have read the reports on those supposed experiments.

but can i say that those reports are wrong.

on the other hand, how many said anywhere in the report.....

Homosexuality is definately caused by a lack or overproduction of testosterone or estrogen in the brain tissues.

NO!

most likely it went like this

"Some scientists BELIEVE, and research MAY suggest that homosexuality is LINKED to an imbalance of testosterone or estrogen in the brain"

if the scientists were 100 percent sure of their research, then the reports would show it.

they arent positive, so they cover their asses and make a half-assed statement that can be interpreted tons of different ways.
The thing about science is that it's OK to make theories about things even if you can't PROVE it yet. Evolution, the Big Bang, psychological things, etc. You just need ENOUGH data that points toward your theory being true for it to be accepted. Go find a science professor and talk to him. You might *gasp* learn something.

Gay people have a lot to answer for in today's society.

They claim, fallaciously I suggest, that they are denied equal rights. The basis of this is that they are not guaranteed the right to marry the person the "love."

No shit Sherlock, that is, in fact how the system works. Gay people have exactly the same marriage rights as everyone else. I know it and they know it. In fact, had they been serious about this they could have obtained a tax determination in California back in the 80s which would really have supported their case. But they didn't. So I suppose this whole "love" thing is bollocks anyway, To them it is all rights, no sacrifice.

But let's get on to the meat of my argument. AIDS.

Yes, that's right, AIDS, the filthy homosexual diesease that was going to kill us all. Not only did the genius homosexuals bring it to this country, they did their damn best to spread it as far as possible.

Then they threatened the straight community with it. Yes the straight people were going to suffer from AIDS just as much as they did. But we didn't. You know why? Because we are not promiscious sodomites. So it was all a big gay lie.

Nevertheless, today, in addition to gay pride parades and fell good about homo days, we have to also contribute to AIDS research.

Listen homos, if you lived like the straight married people you claim you want to be, AIDS would not be a problem - just like it isn't in the straight community.

So here's the deal, cut down on your AIDS, pay all the money back we wasted on your AIDS research - which lets face it is basically a government effort that helps only homosexuals - and then we may be able to talk about you getting married.

There are a few other things that presently ban you too, but I'm not going into them right now.
1)Hetrosexuals have more AIDS than gays do. Partially because there more of them, partially because *gasp* the whole "homosexuals are the only ones with AIDS/are the ones that spread AIDS" thing is false.
2)Go read up on AIDS. You obviously don't know much about it. I suppose you think you can get it by being near an infected person, too?
3)AIDS IS a problem in the straight community. Like I said before...
4)Wouldn't marriage HELP reduce the so-called "promiscious sodomites" problem, since they could *gasp* GET MARRIED, thus meaning that they have less of a reason to be "promiscious"?
5)You act as if straight marriage is all "2 people that love each otehr very much, and continue to do so for the rest of their lives". Explain the ridiculous divorce rates. Explain Vegas marriages. Explain TV marriages. Explain abusive marriages.
6)Again, GO READ UP ON THIS STUFF. Recent info is your friend.

7)Why can't any of the homophobes cite sources for their "info"?
8)Why are so many of the homophobic idiots highly religous?
9)When did the wormhole leading from the Stone Age open up and let all these people get through?
10)Again, people are not baby-making machines. There is more to life than that. GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULLS.

BTW, if I was in power, I would cut all AIDS funding.
Sure, just let millions of men, women, gays, straights, children, adults, old people, whites, blacks, asians, liberals, conservatives, rich people, poor people, and middle class people DIE. Why not cut cancer funding while we're at it?

I'm gay and I want to marry the man I love. In fact, I probably will, since I live in Canada and it's all legal in my province now. Yet, even though gay MARRIAGE(not civil unions, real marriage) has been legal for two years, anarchy, destruction and divine retribution still hasn't befallen our beautiful country. Gay marriage hasn't changed anybody's life much, except of course those lucky men and women who can finally marry the person they love: and that was a change for the best.

(I wrote this on another thread, but I thought to share it here as well.)

Oh no they saw two men kissing, its the end of the world. Grow up.

actually nationalism is extreme pride in one's nation, not neccessarily "cleansing" of a nation.

dumbass

The fact is that research shows that homosexuality is not a psychological influence. There are plenty of children raised by homosexual couples that are completely heterosexual. Why is this? Homosexuality is a physical differnce in the brain tissues. This is tangible research.
I also agree with what has been said above: homosexuality is a way to slow the growth of the population. If the world continues to find ways to make more children be born and lenghten the lives of the elderly, then the world will be overrun and essentially the environment destroyed.
Furthermore, in the event that there is a shortage of childbirth, artificial insemination is still available
What is so wrong with people marrying the person that they love? And why is it so bad that children would live in a loving home, even if they have two moms or two dads? Would the parents not love their children? Did you realize that 10% of the world's population is gay....In the case of the US, that would mean that there are about as many homosexuals living in the US as there are people living in California. That's a lot of people.

I am gay, and I am damn proud of the fact. I will stand up to protect my people any time I wish. Homophobes, stop thinking we're gonna hit on you...Chances are, we don't think you're attractive anyway...And gay men usually stay away from men they know are straight (at least I do). Oh, and where the hell did this notion come from that all homosexuals are child molesters? You do realize that studies have shown that it has nothing to do with sexual orientation. It's a control issue. Just like with rape.



A difference in the brain tissues would still be psychology. And that reasearch has NOT proven anyone to be born attracted to men or women.

According to Sigmond Freud, one develops their first psychologically sexual attractions based on their parents.

Homosexuality didn't even exist until people started gaybashing and it became a political issue. If you don't believe that, look up some history. People had sex with each other that were of the same sex, but actually "bieng" a "homosexual" has never existed until the 20th century. WHatever it is, if you Gay people are going to win the arguements, your going to have to stop coming up with 'breaking reasearch' to try and justify your born-in arguement. (which is NEVER going to help, even if you ARE right)
You also choose to remain ignorant, as they do to the relativity of morality in society, of the fact that SOME people DO choose homosexuality. It's that simple... you go around making irrational absolutes. (when you are born, you either ARE, or you AREN'T! THATS THAT!) Your problemis that your entire focus is off, you don't need to justify yourself to them, and you simply can NOT based on the biological arguement. There is better evidence that it is inately psychological that comes from world renound scholars, psychologists, and scientists, not just "new reasearch".


Grow some guts and stand up to these neanderthol right wing religious blind as a bat morons. Their "faith" (aka blindness) is the only reason they believe they have any right to attack you in the first place. You can easily prove to them how their faith can't be proven at all. No matter how "historically accurate" their precious bible is claimed to be, it still proves NOTHING. Their view of sociology and psychology is warped, and they need to STOP having control of the sociological universal of government.

Gays marrying "hurts" no one. If someones gay parents raise a gay child, what the fuck makes it different form straight parents raising a straight child. And gay parents more than likely won't critizise or bash their child for feeling attracted heterosexually, like straight parents do for homosexual kids. Simple minded people like Mutchumton Hitler are more of a poison to the TRUE point of america (Liberty and Justice for all) than any Gay parent either.

Wouldn't it be better to have gay people adopting than to have kids bieng aborted? The bigger and more prominently sucessful adoption becomes, the less nessicarry abortion is.

A flaming sword actually, no mention of any metalwork, if your into Von
Danikens theorys of human history on this planet, the flaming sword was a
laser beam, like a light saber, so to speak.
And Adam and Eve would have been reduced to the stone age as they left
the garden with nothing.


Just because they left the garden with nothing, doesn't mean they would automatically revert to stone age... any more than that would be true if I were dropped in isolation... would I return to the stone age?

I don't buy Von Daniken - anymore than I think "Star Wars" is a valid creation myht.


Never the less, I think they existed, whatever their names were.


Just not two people, and not in one place.


Whys that?
I cant even read hebrew.

In the hope that you are ACTUALLY making a SERIOUS request for information - I feel kindly disposed to elucidate.

The Genesis story details man being made 'from the clay', and having the 'breath of life' or 'spirit' breathed into him.

If you read the Adam and Eve story in Hebrew, their names are 'adam (from adamah - the red clay) and Chavvah (meaning 'life').

thus - the Adam and Eve story is merely a retelling of the original creation story - where god creates 'man' from the 'clay' and unites it (marries it) to the breath of 'life'.

Adam and Eve are not people - they are symbols.. the Flesh and the Spirit.

Just because they left the garden with nothing, doesn't mean they would automatically revert to stone age... any more than that would be true if I were dropped in isolation... would I return to the stone age?

I don't buy Von Daniken - anymore than I think "Star Wars" is a valid creation myht.



Just not two people, and not in one place.



In the hope that you are ACTUALLY making a SERIOUS request for information - I feel kindly disposed to elucidate.

The Genesis story details man being made 'from the clay', and having the 'breath of life' or 'spirit' breathed into him.

If you read the Adam and Eve story in Hebrew, their names are 'adam (from adamah - the red clay) and Chavvah (meaning 'life').

thus - the Adam and Eve story is merely a retelling of the original creation story - where god creates 'man' from the 'clay' and unites it (marries it) to the breath of 'life'.

Adam and Eve are not people - they are symbols.. the Flesh and the Spirit.

Sounds like Qabalah to me. Right on.

this all comes down to values.....in my faith, the whole point in life is to further it with children.

I think that has to be one of the saddest things I've ever heard.

For someone's greatest achievement, their greatest ambition, the only thing they live for... for all of that to boil down to simply perpetuating the species.

What of Art? What of science? What of love? :(

didn't AIDS mutate from some monkey virus, or was that something else?
We have no idea where the HIV virus came from. We have no index case--it was in sub-Saharan African rural villages for longer than we know. It only began to be a really large problem was with urbanisation of Africa, which then spread it to the rest of the world resulting in a pandemic. Our modern transportation methods are one of the greatest assets to any pathogen.

The Genesis story details man being made 'from the clay', and having the 'breath of life' or 'spirit' breathed into him.

If you read the Adam and Eve story in Hebrew, their names are 'adam (from adamah - the red clay) and Chavvah (meaning 'life').

thus - the Adam and Eve story is merely a retelling of the original creation story - where god creates 'man' from the 'clay' and unites it (marries it) to the breath of 'life'.

Adam and Eve are not people - they are symbols.. the Flesh and the Spirit.
Really? That's awesome! I would be willing to accept Genesis if that's what it means. It could even be interpreted to mean abiogenesis, could it not?

Bullshit. The decimation of the straight community that was predicted never happened. You know why, the lack of random anal sodomy.

More to the point, most hetro couples do, in fact engage in anal sex, so on can only conclude that the prevelance of aids in the gay community is solely a function of their massive promiscuity.

And good job, BTW, homos. You managed to take a hard to get disease that showed up in San Fransico in the late seventies, to a national epidemic tha now gobles up most of the federal budget for disease control. But I guess you *are* ready for marriage. :rolleyes:

Is your face straight?

It's hard to tell, via computer.

I'd just like to know if you type all this with a straight face...

Really? That's awesome! I would be willing to accept Genesis if that's what it means. It could even be interpreted to mean abiogenesis, could it not?

Hebrew is a complex language, filled with layers of meaning, and a great depth of symbolism. By it's very nature it is metaphorical.

The problem with Christianity (and even, sadly, many Jews) is that they read the scripture as though it were straight text... which it IS if you read it in English.

In Hebrew, however, the whole text takes on multiple levels, and it is hard to NOT take something like the Genesis story as largely symbolic, when you read it in a symbolic language.

I think that has to be one of the saddest things I've ever heard.

For someone's greatest achievement, their greatest ambition, the only thing they live for... for all of that to boil down to simply perpetuating the species.

What of Art? What of science? What of love? :(
Yeah though at least he/she has eons of biological drive behind that ... its not incomprehensible

Fair enough.
Homosexuals get aids. (http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2004-12-02-us-hiv_x.htm)


Even the liberal press alludes to it Goed.

Except, if you actually read the article.

It doesn't say there are more CASES of AIDS/HIV in the gay community, it says that more AIDS/HIV are being DIAGNOSED in the gay community.

If you were 'up' on your facts, you'd probably be able to make the connection that it has been found that recently infected HIV sufferers who have sex again with an infected partner, can be REINFECTED with slightly different strains of the virus... thus creating a much more virulent illness, which would be much easier to spot... and, thus, much easier for someone to go see a doctor about, and, thus, much easier to diagnose.

Yeah though at least he/she has eons of biological drive behind that ... its not incomprehensible

But, can you imagine that?

Having ONE goal in life? The simple act of procreation... which, let's face it, most people do by accident...

I just find that intolerably.... sad. :(

But, can you imagine that?

Having ONE goal in life? The simple act of procreation... which, let's face it, most people do by accident...

I just find that intolerably.... sad. :(
Yeah ... agreed

Mine is to have fun :) and help people ... which is fun for me anyways (at least rewarding)

But, can you imagine that?

Having ONE goal in life? The simple act of procreation... which, let's face it, most people do by accident...

I just find that intolerably.... sad. :(

Heh, I suppose if that's the only worthwhile thing a "breeder" can do in life, it's easy to assume that other human beings are equally socially, scientifically and emotionally inapt as "the breeder" is. Maybe we should them in on the fact that we, unlike them, have higher aspirations and goals.

Sad, sad indeed :(

Well, I *am* a woman... so me touching a woman would just add to this debate :p

Doesn't sound too unpleasant to me... ;)

Yeah ... agreed

Mine is to have fun :) and help people ... which is fun for me anyways (at least rewarding)

I want to 'create'... I want the immortality that will come from the legacy I leave behind for future generations... I want to leave written words that people will still argue about long after I die.... I want to make this world better, for the few and for the many... I want... I want... I want...

And, that is why it makes me so sad that someone claims their big goal in life is simple conception.

:(

Doesn't sound too unpleasant to me... ;)

You heteros are pathetic sometimes, you know? :rolleye

Seriously, and no offense meant... but if you ever meet a couple of lesbians, it's no use drooling all over them : they're LESBIANS, so they won't be interested in you.

*grumbles* *mumbles*

Heh, I suppose if that's the only worthwhile thing a "breeder" can do in life, it's easy to assume that other human beings are equally socially, scientifically and emotionally inapt as "the breeder" is. Maybe we should them in on the fact that we, unlike them, have higher aspirations and goals.

Sad, sad indeed :(

The sad thing is... i am, I guess, by definition 'a breeder'... since I have a child, and a wife. (Both of whom I love very dearly).

But it strikes me as painful that other people might take THAT as their overarching ambition.

Is that what you mean by 'a breeder'... not someone that CAN breed, or someone that HAS bred... but someone who's SOLE PURPOSE IS to breed?

You heteros are pathetic sometimes, you know? :rolleye

Seriously, and no offense meant... but if you ever meet a couple of lesbians, it's no use drooling all over them : they're LESBIANS, so they won't be interested in you.

*grumbles* *mumbles*

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Okay.... way to grab the wrong end of the stick...

If Shaed wants to touch HERSELF, I am not going to object...

She IS a woman, you know?

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Okay.... way to grab the wrong end of the stick...

If Shaed wants to touch HERSELF, I am not going to object...

She IS a woman, you know?

Alright... I apologize. But I thought you were the one advocating PDAs were fine, but anything XXX rated should be in a room? I'd think that's he sort of things one shouldn't be doing in public...


WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN? PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!! :D (couldn't resist)

Heh. Damn inequali... oh wait, it's on my favour. Nevermind :D

I think if I wanted to get married to a girl I'd try and find some loophole that would let me or, preferably, my female partner claim to be male... ideally one of us would have one of those wacky sex-chromosome combinations (no offence meant by 'wacky'). Although I think it's said that anyone with at least one Y chromosome = male...

Bah. Screw it. I'd just move to somewhere where gay marriage is legal. Governments that don't allow it sure as hell don't deserve my tax dollars.

I know Belgium allows it... and I think Holland does...

And, I just heard today, Spain (of all places... the Sword of Rome, as it was called) is planning on legalising gay marriage within as little as a year!

:o

I know Belgium allows it... and I think Holland does...

And, I just heard today, Spain (of all places... the Sword of Rome, as it was called) is planning on legalising gay marriage within as little as a year!

:o

It's also legal in 7 of the 10 Canadian province, and will probably be legalized in federal law during the course of the next year.

Edit: So far no holy thunder, divine fire or godly wrath has befallen our beautiful country. And nobody's marriage has been diminished. We haven't fallen into chaos and anarchy yet. In fact, the difference in most poeple's everyday life equals to zero.

Those whose life changed with gay marriage are those gay men and women who can finally wed the person they love. Everybody else seems like they could care less about the issue now, except a couple of fundies who threw a fit and tried to have the decision overturned. That didn,t work.

Alright... I apologize. But I thought you were the one advocating PDAs were fine, but anything XXX rated should be in a room? I'd think that's he sort of things one shouldn't be doing in public...


WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN? PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!! :D (couldn't resist)

Yep - that was me... PDA is fine, but when it gets it's own rating, take it somewhere.

I was just encouraging Shaed because she's a sweety. :)

WON'T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE DOUGHNUTS?

Mmmm, doughnuts...

It's also legal in 7 of the 10 Canadian province, and will probably be legalized in federal law during the course of the next year.

Edit: So far no holy thunder, divine fire or godly wrath has befallen our beautiful country. And nobody's marriage has been diminished. We haven't fallen into chaos and anarchy yet. In fact, the difference in most poeple's everyday life equals to zero.

Those whose life changed with gay marriage are those gay men and women who can finally wed the person they love. Everybody else seems like they could care less about the issue now, except a couple of fundies who threw a fit and tried to have the decision overturned. That didn,t work.

I have SOME hopes that it will eventually get passed in the US, as well - since much of the rest of the 'so-called-civilised' world seems to feel like it needs US permission before it can make a social step forwards.

I'm not sure whether there are more uber-religious-wacko's in America, right now, or if they are just getting better funded (ha ha... funded... fundie...), but they are the biggest obstacle to social evolution in the US, at the moment... so, if anything can stop the common sense prevailing, it'll be them.

*sigh*

Why can't people just worship their gods? Why do they have to try to imprint them on everyone else... :(

I have SOME hopes that it will eventually get passed in the US, as well - since much of the rest of the 'so-called-civilised' world seems to feel like it needs US permission before it can make a social step forwards.

I'm not sure whether there are more uber-religious-wacko's in America, right now, or if they are just getting better funded (ha ha... funded... fundie...), but they are the biggest obstacle to social evolution in the US, at the moment... so, if anything can stop the common sense prevailing, it'll be them.

*sigh*

Why can't people just worship their gods? Why do they have to try to imprint them on everyone else... :(

Unfortunately for you, I cannot seem to see it happening in the US of A anytime in the next 4 years. You can hardly expect a religious zealot like Bush to allow gay marriage, when he is already taking sex ed out of schools and preaching abstinence....

I'm afraid you guys will have to have a change of heart as to who you elect before (positive) social change is possible again in the USA.

Edit: Those of you disgruntled americans are free to emigrate to Canada, though. We welcome with open arms those of you open-minded enough to embrace our culture of freedom and diversity. Ironically, I've been told by a couple of americans that today, Canada fits more their vision of the american dream than the USA...

Yes Goed, reading is good. And read your second sources again, only one third of the new infections occurred in the straight comunity, the highest proportion of which occured in the African Amreican community, whose female partners reported not knowing the habits of their "lovers".

At the same time, it is the same comunity, by the accounts of your cited article that is most likely to hide their homosexual promiscious behavior.

Like I said, aids is a gay disease, and if the gays could just behave like striaghts, it would disappear.

If gays could behave like straights we would have herpes, chlamydia, gonorhhea, genital warts, syphilis, trichomonas, and a host of other diseases. For something to be a "gay disease" it has to infect only gay people. HIV (AIDS is not an infectious disease, it is a syndrome that occurs as the result of another process, sometimes infectious, sometimes not therefore HIV is the better choice of words) occurs in all populations without preference, ergo it is not a gay disease but one the whole world needs to face together instead of trying to cast blame.

Oooohh pithy.

But wrong. Where did I say I was against gay people, I just want everything to be considered in this whole marriage bullshit debate.

I'm sorry, I never realized that spreading lies and other misinformation about a group of people (like the whole HIV as a gay disease thing) classified someone as anything but a homophobe.

Unfortunately for you, I cannot seem to see it happening in the US of A anytime in the next 4 years. You can hardly expect a religious zealot like Bush to allow gay marriage, when he is already taking sex ed out of schools and preaching abstinence....

I'm afraid you guys will have to have a change of heart as to who you elect before (positive) social change is possible again in the USA.

Edit: Those of you disgruntled americans are free to emigrate to Canada, though. We welcome with open arms those of you open-minded enough to embrace our culture of freedom and diversity. Ironically, I've been told by a couple of americans that today, Canada fits more their vision of the american dream than the USA...

(I'm not actually an American, either... I just live there) :)

The thing about Bush is... I'm not sure how to take him... I'm not sure how much is just a front, you know?

I mean... go back a couple of years, and he's a drunk, with a criminal record, a good education, with an ex-girlfriend he persuaded to abort, and close familial business ties to the "ibn Ladin" family of Saudi Arabia.

Fast forward to the War on Terror, anti-abortion, anti-drug, anti-education president who can't even say "Nuclear"....

I think he's pulling the wool over America's eyes... and that means there's NO WAY to predict what he might do.

maybe he'll have a pang of conscience, and try to improve quality of life for ALL Americans, rather than just padding his pocket.

Except, if you actually read the article.

It doesn't say there are more CASES of AIDS/HIV in the gay community, it says that more AIDS/HIV are being DIAGNOSED in the gay community.
Well, actually, I haven't read the article, but I know that to be false. Approximately 60% of people infected with HIV are women. It is true that originally, it was primarily homosexual men that had HIV in the US, because it went from sub-Saharan Africa into Haiti, where many gay men went on "vacation", and then brought it back to the US. So at first, it actually was a primarily homosexual disease in the US. However, overall, women have actually been the primary sufferers of AIDS. Not to mention the fact that it is more through unsanitary intravenous needles that HIV is transmitted than through copulation. Not to say that sex is not a factor, but it actually second to reusing IV needles and syringes.

I've been doing a lot of research on pathology and epidemiology, focusing on HIV/AIDS, lately, if you hadn't noticed.

I never said that only homosexuals have aids, I said that homosexuality is the primary transimission mechanism.

Homosexual men are far more promiscuous than striaight people. We have an entire industry in this country dedicated to curing the disease that they spread thorugh their promiscuity. Unless and until the moderate their behavior, and the AIDS funding is put on the same level as CF, their whole argument about being treated as unequal becuase the cannot get married is moot.

They have, ceteris paribus, the same marriage rights as straight people. In addition they have and exceptional amout of funding aimed at the diesease that their lifstyle promotes.

Shut up I say.

Groups of homosexuals are promiscuous, just like groups of heterosexuals are promiscuos. I've had far less sex than most of my straight friends my age. Further, since heterosexual promiscuity seems to spread trich and gonorrhea so well, I say we ban them from marriage until they stop the type of lifestyle in ALL their people tha tsupports the spread of these diseases.

[...]maybe he'll have a pang of conscience, and try to improve quality of life for ALL Americans, rather than just padding his pocket.


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Sorry. I feel your pain, and I understant the need to delude yourself to survive the next 4 years. My invitation still holds, if it's any comfort to you :-P

It is taught, but you are not condemned if you disagree.

Propagation of the species you know, homosexuality doesnt really fit into

mother natures plans, its deviant behaviour, nothing else.

Is it learned, probably, but there would have to be already, some desire on

the part of the homosexual to be this way inclined, I do not condemn gays

for being like this, but to attack people for not accepting them as a part of

their life, calling them names such as homophobic etc is just PC gone mad.

Term, first of all I'd like to challenge you to make an arguement that doesn't rely on "You're just being PC." You accuse us of being mindless, but relying on teh same old argument all the time just doesn't make you seem like a very thoughtful person. Secondly, I know for a fact that you've been provided with numerous explanations of how homosexuality can fit in "mother nature's plan" and why we shouldn't always go with our "natural instincts" that mother nature gave us. Have you read any of them? If you had, you wouldn't be making the same old tired arguments over and over and over and over and over until you sound like a broken 45.



Love, I already do, lust...I dont think so.

Then why do you think that gay people can or should learn to love (romantically) and lust after people of the opposite sex?

I haven't read the whole thread since I don't have much time, but I just wanted to make a quick comment. When I saw the title of this thread I nearly cried. I'm so sick of ignorance like this. I decided to brave the thread and read the first page of replies, and I was so relieved to find so much rebuttle to the ignorant post. Thank you so much to everyone who is open-minded and understanding.

Just to add just a bit of enlightenment to the thread (sorry if this has all been said already), homosexuality is not a choice, I can say this as a lesbian with absolute certainty, people are just born that way and have been since the dawn of humanity. If you take a look at Greek literature you will see that it was openly accepted by the Greeks as part of human nature. The ten percent of homosexuals on earth have existed as long as the heterosexuals and we have never done any harm to the world. Banning gay marriage would not stop us, it would only start a new age of oppression and hate that we haven't seen since the holocaust. I have a news flash for all those who oppose gay marriage: there are homosexuals around you, right now, as you read this. One out of every ten people you meet is gay. There are gay people holding hands, kissing, even having sex near you. And is it hurting you? No, of course not. Stay out of other peoples business, if it doesn't hurt you, let it go even if you don't understand it.

And children will not mimick men kissing. Like I said, you are born gay or straight, it is not learned. Lighten up, relax, and reflect on how unhappy God would be about your intolerance.

I'm done for now. I'm sick of lecturing those with closed minds.

Face it, Gay marraige was unanimously voted down in every state where it was on the ballot. Vox Populi Vox Dei, &ct. If it really matters to the gay community, they will start working towards it by moderating their sick promiscous behavior. I suggest not calling gay bars "manhole" as a start.

Unanimously eh? I suggest you go purchase a dictionary, or simply visit dictionary.com and look up that word. You will find the vote was far from unanimous.

And there is a reason civil rights should never be put up to a popular vote. If it were, life would be a craphole for every minority in the nation--hell, it is for a lot of them.


Either it means something, and it is part of the sacred undying love they are always telling us about; in which case they will actually change their behavior to get it; Or it is just yet another mindless rant from the gay community. BTW, if I was in power, I would cut all AIDS funding.

You do realize that most AIDS funding comes from private charities? And you do realize that many, many gay couples are involved in those undying love, lifelong relationships that you hetersexuals seem to suck at (50% divorce rate). You don't notice them though. Why not? Because you have this idea that all homosexuals are flaming fairies in drag sleeping with at least five different guys a week. You never see the ones who are in committed, loving relationships. Don't they deserve equality?

For something to be a "gay disease" it has to infect only gay people.
To be fair, if there was a disease that primarily afflicted homosexuals, it could be considered a "gay disease". If the main method of transmission was through sodomy, then it could indeed be considered a gay disease, since that would be a primarily "gay" activity.

HIV (AIDS is not an infectious disease, it is a syndrome that occurs as the result of another process, sometimes infectious, sometimes not therefore HIV is the better choice of words) occurs in all populations without preference
HIV is the human immunodeficiency virus. AIDS is acquired immunodeficiency syndrome. HIV, HIV-1 being the more common and deadly version, is the pathogen, and AIDS is the condition brought about by it. I am not aware of any other way that a person may get AIDS. Though there are rare persons that become infected with the virus repeatedly and show no symptoms. If we could just find out what the hell is going on with these people, we might come up with a sort of actual cure, not the slowing down measures of antiretroviral therapies, to be specific HAARTs for AIDS. And AIDS does indeed show preference for "sex workers" as they are techincally known, and drug addicts. But it is slowly but surely showing less and less discrimination on who it afflicts.

You do realize that most AIDS funding comes from private charities?
Well, I wouldn't call them "charities", per se. Nearly all funding for HIV/AIDS is profitable in some way or another to the benefactors.

HIV is the human immunodeficiency virus. AIDS is acquired immunodeficiency syndrome. HIV, HIV-1 being the more common and deadly version, is the pathogen, and AIDS is the condition brought about by it. I am not aware of any other way that a person may get AIDS.


There are several other ways one can get AIDS. People suffering from severe leukemia, patients on a long-term regimine of steroids, people who have been exposed to high doses of radiation, people with SCID, and people with certain other viruses can all have the clinical disorder known as AIDS. Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome was around before the advent of HIV. In fact, HIV was noticed because of the sudden appearance of a large number of Kaposi's Sarcomas in the gay populations of New York, LA, and San Francisco. The tumor is caused by a virus and rarely affects normal adults with healthy immune systems--so it was a well-known marker for AIDS even before HIV. Just some random medical knowledge.


Though there are rare persons that become infected with the virus repeatedly and show no symptoms. If we could just find out what the hell is going on with these people, we might come up with a sort of actual cure, not the slowing down measures of antiretroviral therapies, to be specific HAARTs for AIDS. And AIDS does indeed show preference for "sex workers" as they are techincally known, and drug addicts. But it is slowly but surely showing less and less discrimination on who it afflicts.

You are quite right on all of this. Kudos.

You obviously do have a problem with heteros. And again with the names :rolleyes: ... My post was innocuous. You might like to read more into it than what I said, but I clearly stated my objection to the act and the stage, not the actors themselves (/snip)

As have I. I reacted to the original poster making a God-awful stink, and suggested he would not have made such a stink had the actors been a hetero couple.

Furthermore, I do NOT have a problem with hetero's. What I have a problem with is hetero's who think that, because they ARE hetero, they have the right to do whatever they wish, wherever they wish...and then complain when homo's do likewise. I have a problem with hetero's who think they are somehow "better" than homo's...and who advocate taking rights and priveleges unto themselves, while simultaneously denying those rights to a different couple, just because that couple happens to be same-gender.

Get off your high horse. Can you vote? Have you ever been denied any civil liberties available to any other US citizen? How exactly are you not treated equally? 9/snip)

Yes. I can vote. However, I am very muchin the minority, and my vote no longer means shit. too many in the majority with to run roughshod over the rights of people like me, and we haven't the muscle to stop it. And, in regards to your question about civil rights?? Yes...every DAY I am denied certain civil rights others in our country take for granted. I won't go into detail here for the purposes of saving bandwidth, since this has been hashed over enough times already. If you choose not to accept that institutionalized discrimination against GLBT people does not exist in this country, then nothing I can do or say is going to change your mind. You simply refuse to see it, even when it is shoved in your face, so I refuse to serve it up yet again, so that you can, once again, ignore the evidence, and claim that GLBT people are not denied civil rights, when, in fact, we are. It is just that you will never see how, because you refuse to accept the evidence, and you refuse to empathize. I can do nothing with one who refuses to empathize.

Just because someone is not a homosexual does not make them a homophobe.

Never said they were, either. For example, I am NOT homosexual, myself. I am transgender, and that is a whole different ball of wax. If you wanted to define ME by my sexuality, you could say I am ASEXUAL. I care for sex with NO-ONE. Don't want it. Don't need it. Period. but I refuse to stand around while my gay and lesbian brothers and sisters are attacked in the manner that the original poster attacked them. I will stand beside my GLB brothers and sisters...as they have stood by MY side plenty of times in my past. We share a brother/sisterhood that you cannot partake of, do not, and can not understand. Ours is the brother/sisterhood of shared pain and suffering, of shared struggle that only WE can truly understand, since only WE have ever suffered it.

Not to imply other groups have not suffered persecution...But, I will stand up for those groups, too, when I see it. Blacks, for example, suffered discrimination in this country a scant 50 years ago. Had I been alive back then I would have stood with them, too. They still, to some degree, face discrimination today, and I speak out against it wherever I see it.

Similarly, Jews, Hispanics, women...many minority groups have been, and continue to be treated in a disparaging manner, and you can count on me to speak out against such behavior. In fact, once upon a time, oh, say, 1800 years ago...christians were a persecuted minority. I'd have stood with THEM, back then. Back THEN...they truly were Christian. Not like now. They no longer, for the most part, actually speak and spread Jesus' message of tolearnce, love, forgiveness, peace, joy, hope, and mercy. It is easy to SAY one is a Christian...it is much harder to actually BE a Christian.

At any rate, my point is...my rant was more against the original poster than you, however, I feel that your words indicated a certain latent discrimination towards homosexuals, as well...as you, too seemed to object more to the actiors...and not the act, itself. If that was a problem with my own perception, then I apologize. However, I do think there is some latent homophobia in nearly everyone who isn't GLBT. Even if they are not willing to own up to it within themselves, I think it is still in there.

And when I see someone expose it...I pounce. I speak out against it. the only way we will ever change this society, and make it a more free, fair, just society for all is to point out the inequalities, the injustice...whenever we see it. And demand something be done about it. It will be a long process...in fact, I may never, in my lifetime, see the society I truly desire to see. But that will not stop me from trying to achieve that...so that those who follow where we now tread, find the road a little smoother than we did.

Thank you, if you read this entire post.

Do you have proof that gayness isn't a serious mental illness?

Actualy, yes. Look in the DSM IV-R, the Diagnostic Statistical Manual, Fourth Edition, Revised...the current manual used and accepted by the American Psychiatric Association. nowhere in it's pages will you see homosexuality mentioned as a mental illness.

Incidentally, I am transgender. You WILL see transgender listed in there. Some may argue against it being in there...and most respected therapists do not actually consider it a mental illness, however it is in there, because there are certain psychologica hoops a transgender person must pass thru before any reputable surgeon will consider them to be a good candidate for sex-reassignment surgery, such as I have had.

Incidentally, you'll find transgenderism under 302.6 (onset in childhood) or 302.9 (onset in adulthood - rare) Most transgender persons begin to exhibit cross-gender behaviors at a very early age. In this, I was no exception.

However, MY transgenderism is also partly caused by a genetic disorder, Kleinfelter Syndrome. Look that one up some time. I was born with an extra chromosome. Both sex chromosomes appear naturally within me, and always have...meaning that, on a genetic level, I am in fact both sexes...and neither sex...all at the same time.

However, you asked for proof that homosexuality was not a serious mental illness, and I have just given you that proff. It is NOT listed in the DSM IV-R.

Gay, straight, or bi.....if you have love in your life and show it you doing a hell of a lot better teaching the kids of tomorow than the leaders of today are.
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this is ridiculous, i dont think gay marriage is good, and im not saying that because i "hate" gay people or anything like u filthy liberals think. im saying that because multiple times i have had gay guys from MY SCHOOL turn gay and then hit on me. believe me, it is not a good thing. am i close-minded? by no means. i gave them there shot, and they blew it.

Oh, poor baby!! So they hit on you?? Let me call you a waaaaambulance!

Do you mean to tell me you haven't they capability to just say no?. To say, "Look, I'm flattered you find me attractive, however, I do not swing the bat that way, so, please, let's just be friends, and please do not make those kind of advances towards me."

Or maybe you are afraid that you might find it pleasurable?

You know...most gay people only hit on straight people when straight people exhibit a behavior, often unconsciously that "tags" then as homosexual. Most homosexuals know who is, and who isn't. We have a thing called "gay-dar." And if you are tripping someone's gay-dar, chances are you are engaging in some sort of behavior that lends one to think maybe you are homosexual.

Termie, that's what we call "being an adult." if you act like a jerk in situations that do not call for it, and your jerkishness is directed at gay people, then you will be called a homophobe. that's not a threat, that's simply the truth...people will see your actions and respond with a certain name for those actions. since you are, in fact, a homophobe, why should that bother you? all they are doing is calling you what you are, and i don't see why you should take that as an insult unless you are actually ashamed of being a homophobe.

Exactly. As we say in Texas...you can't insult a pig merely by calling it a pig.

And I don't care how much lipstick you put on the pig, it is still a pig.

Yeah, right. Just look at all those queers in politics. The true legacy of gays is the spread of AIDS across the planet.

Is that why over 50% of some African nations have AIDS? Do you suggest that 50% of some African nations are gay?

No, heteroism and promiscuity, both gay and straight...is responsible for the spread of AIDS across the planet.

Get it through your head...repeat after me the true facts, that you apparently do not want to accept: AIDS IS NOT A "GAY" DISEASE...IT IS A HUMAN DISEASE!!

Gay sex does not cause AIDS. You take two HIV negative men, let them be totally manogamous with each other for their entire lives, and I guarantee you, neither one will ever contract AIDS (assuming neither one ever gets a tainted blood transfusion, or shares needles with another IV-drug user, that is.)

It is PROMISCUITY...not HOMOSEXUALITY that causes AIDS.

AIDS may well first have been OBSERVED in homosexuals, I do not deny this. But that does not make it a gay disease, or gay people's fault.

Fact is, transmission rates, per capita, are far LOWER now among homosexuals than eterosexuals. And why?? Because WE have educated ourselves about the dangers. so continue to demand no sex education in our schools. Go for it. and watch the death toll continue to climb. Because kids WILL have sex. Whether or not you want to admit it...they will. Isn't it better they be educated in safe sex, so that, if they DO have sex...at least they will not get diseases from it?

Yeah why not.

Not that I would, if I got raped or something Id just go get a baseball bat

and remove their head from their shoulders when they least expect it.

And wind up in prison. Where you could expect to get raped plenty more times. Real smart.

what so U want gays, not only being inmoral and unnatural this isnt correct for our society, the human species wasnt made for this, i dnt igve a fuk wot goes inside gay ppls head, it just isnt correct.

In your perception, it is not correct. Just wanted to clear that little point up.

As a preface to this post, let me just say that I'm a Christian with several gay friends - I have no quarrel with civil unions, and I don't see what would be wrong with gay marriage OUTSIDE of the church (after all...many people HAVE been getting married outside of the church for years in courts, etc. - hence the argument that marriage in America is a solely religious institution is foolish). However, I fervently believe that gay marriage can not be allowed inside the Christian church, just as marriage into adultery or polygamy cannot be allowed.

Then you suggest Ronald Reagan should not have been allowed to marry Nancy Reagan? After all, Ronald was once divorced before Nancy, having been married to Jane Wyman. And the Christian church holds that marriage is forever...thus, Ronald was still married to Jane, when he married Nancy...thus, he was married into adultery.

*sigh*

Unlike religion, musical preference or ideology, sexual preference is not a learned behavior or a life choice. It's something you are born with, much like race. You can cover your eyecolor with contacts, dye your hair and bleach or dye your skin, but you remain, essentially, what you were born to be racially. You can force yourself to sexual acts with something you do not find attractive, but you still retain the biological urge that you were born with.

If a person is attracted to the opposite sex, when they mature, they will be happy and satisfied only when they are mated with the appropriate person of the opposite sex. If that person were born being attracted to the same sex, the same conditions apply. They can only find their comfort and happiness with the right person of their own gender.

What gives any one of you or anyone, for that matter, the right to deprive another person of the right to the comfort and fulfillment of loving the person they are meant to love? How would any of you feel if expressing your love and desire for the One YOU chose as your life's mate caused a large percentage of your local population to treat you so poorly and so shamefully? How would you respond to having to hide an essential and unchangeable part of your being to prevent being denied everything you now take for granted? How would you like being physically and verbally assaulted for being openly in love with your partner?

I don't think any of you would appreciate it very much at all. I know what gay people go through at the hands of people like those of you who so loudly and viciously condemn them.

I know because people treat me in a very similar fashion because of COSMETIC choices I have made. People who don't know me assume because my hair is blue and purple, because my arms are tattooed with bright (and I must add TASTEFUL) artwork and because my nose and lower lip are pierced that I am dangerous to their children, that I am mentally inferior, that I am morally bankrupt and that I am evil. I endure completely shameful treatment from so-called normal, decent, godfearing people every time I go outside my own neighborhood.

I am a highly skilled, well-educated, rational, POLITE and extremely ethical (to the point where these so-called honest, ethical persons find it inconvenient and uncomfortable) mature adult woman. Unlike so many of these pathetic hypocrites, I do not base my treatment of others on their exterior appearance, their declared religion, their sexual preferences or their genetic heritage. I judge and treat EVERYONE on the same basis and yardstick: BY THEIR ACTIONS. I give them respect, politeness, courtesy and kindness until they prove they are not worthy of it... which very sadly all too often is until the time that they open their mouths or do something nasty to either myself or to someone else in my presence.

At which time, unlike most GAY people I know, I reward them with what they have shown is their preference. Distain. You hypocritical, smallminded, selfish, vicious little people who DARE to assign guilt, intolerance and disgust on a group of people based SOLELY on the fact that their sexual preference is not yours should get down on your collective knees and thank whatever god it is you pray to that these people you so readily despise have more heart and decency than you can aspire to possess and don't reward you as I would -- in kind.

I suspect, in your heart of hearts, your hatred and intolerance stems not from your professed love of God, not from your spurious, ignorant and animalistic beliefs that every living human on this planet MUST produce offspring to preserve the species or even some misguided, flawed distaste with their supposed mental defects -- but from your absolute stupid, senseless terror of anything or anyone you don't understand and your blind xenophobic hatred of anything or anyone that is not just like you. Which in the end is even more pathetic and less palatable than your weak, empty arguements.

Merry effing XMas, you worthless wastes of skin.

Oh, DAMN!! Please tell me you live in Texas!! Can I be your friend?? I don't know you and already I love you!! (not in a sexual way, either)

Let me just warn those of you who will choose to debate with Term. He does not think that anyone who disagrees with him can do so because they can think for themselves. Instead, we are all just mindless PC drones (though I've asked before and he's never been able to give me a true definition for what he thinks PC is). Just wanted to give a heads up before it makes you angry.
Thanks for the heads-up, but most of us could already recognize a Rush Limbaugh indoctrinated mouth-breather for ourselves.

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Sorry. I feel your pain, and I understant the need to delude yourself to survive the next 4 years. My invitation still holds, if it's any comfort to you :-P

Hey, I didn't say I thought it was likely!!! :)

Just so long as you're ready for hundreds of us to come washing across the border, looking for somewhere to stay for a while... :)

A) I think being a "faggot" gives me the right to use that word, dearest. :)

B) Ummm...I don't think you really got the "George W. Bush" joke...I'll give you a day or two. (Doesn't threaten me; I'm going to France!)

C) Can guys be bitches?

P.S. I'm just a little offended by being called a "sinner" because of how I was born. Shouldn't baptism take care of that? And I know, "Blah blah blah, it's a choice," says the homophobe, but HELLO, I don't think you know whether it's a choice or not if you've *never been gay*!

Tschüss, Täubchen.

Ah, but their little perspective doesn't enable them to see how it could be anything other than a choice, because they don't see how something could occur naturally in one person, that did not occur in them.

I see. So you're allowed to use special words while nobody else is allowed. So the whole equality thing to you doesn't mean a thing? Fine. Keep your words and we'll keep marriage. You want to take but not give.


Bon voyage to France. I'll take two days and while I'm doing that you can learn to be straight again.


Of course they can. They're made in prison all the time.



I'm offended by your GW Bush joke and stereotyping of Republicans but that doesn't matter to you, does it? By the way, I have homosexual co workers, a family member, and even a couple of friends. I don't advocate their destruction nor do I fear them. So why call me a homophobe? Your own argument defeats itself.... so if you've always been gay, then how do you know it's a choice either? You could try being straight.

First...why should they "learn to be straight?" So as to not make YOU uncomfortable? Well you self-righteous self-important jerk!! And to say "straight again" indicates that you believe they once WERE straight, and made a choice not to be. That's another fallacy in your argument.

Lastly...WE are offended by George W Bush.

Hey, I didn't say I thought it was likely!!! :)

Just so long as you're ready for hundreds of us to come washing across the border, looking for somewhere to stay for a while... :)

As long as only the sensible and open-minded americans cross the border, we'll find someplace to acomodate you.

USA gets to keep the fundies, zealots, and warmongerers, though. We're not letting those in.

You missed it.

I said it was a choice, not a learned trait, proven in the idea that people who grow up straight sometimes realize they are homosexual or bisexual. A man may be a playboy and sleep with many women and enjoy every bit of it, then one day have intercourse with another man and become bisexual.

Jean said it was not a choice and that I knew nothing of it because I was never gay.

Jean then said that he/she was never straight.

So my response was, if I don't know because I've never been gay, then how does he/she know if they've never been straight?

Actually, the playboy you mentioned probably DIDN'T enjoy it...he was only living out what had been hammered into him by societal expectancy. And one day, he decides to break free of the cage society placed him in...and be who he really was, all along.

As long as only the sensible and open-minded americans cross the border, we'll find someplace to acomodate you.

USA gets to keep the fundies, zealots, and warmongerers, though. We're not letting those in.

Well, those ARE the most likely demographic to want to leave when this turns into Bush's own personal hell-on-earth. The fundies will stay here, they'll LOVE it.

What about English people that just live in America?

are you kidding me? even if a straight couple had been kissing in front of a group of kids, it might have been inappropriate. but since they were gay, it is out of the ordinary and this may be teaching children things about life that just arent natural let alone permissable for their age group.

people jsut arent ready for gays to be legal, and i'm with em'. keep them away until we can find a suitable colony where they are as far away as possible.

So when WILL they be ready, O Great Swami Mitchumton??

i find it very interesting the way the homosexuals in this forum think.

I think there could be a list started to why you think the way you do.

A. instead of admitting that you made the decision to be gay and taking responsibility, you say you were born that way to make yourself feel better.

B. Gays are like any other highschool clique. imposing themselves upon others in a manner far different then a simple wardrobe or hair-style.

people are finding new ways to stand out and this is one of those extremes.

C. Mental/Hormonal imbalances(i have no research or anything to prove it but there has got to be something wrong with your head.)

D. Insecurities. their is something about yourself you dont like and experimenting with those you feel most comforable with(same sex) is your self-expression.

if homosexuality was right, god would have made men be able to have kids out their asses. because afterall that is the whole point in sex....procreation. thats why even anal and oral with the opposing sex is wrong.

C. Why? Because gay people make YOU uncomfortable? If so, perhaps YOU are the one who has something wrong with your head. Just because YOU can't accept other people's lifestyles, does not mean THEY have something wrong with their head.

Hey, I say that if anyone has a problem with me, then guess which one of us has the problem?? THEY do. And I'll be DAMNEDif they are gonna turn THEIR hang-ups into MY problems.

D. Insecurities? I think the only one with insecurities here are the ones condemning all homosexuals.

Aww, I'm sorry, Cinderella, does that glass slipper fit you too well?

how am i like a nazi....i admit i was a little harsh with the colony thing, but i dont really think that way.

all and all, i'm fine with homosexuality, but they can have the respect to not impose it upon us(me being straight)......generally speaking, i dont go around persuading gays to be straight.

if homosexuality was correct, wouldnt the majority of the world be gay.

and about the one post thing, i didnt realize their was a forum on nationstates until 10 mins ago. and who the fuck cares if i have 1 or 1 million posts...thats not the point.

sure you're fine with homosexuality. We believe you! That's why you describe them using such coarse, abrasive, abusive and dirogatory language...

what do you mean you cant influence someone to be gay. of course you can......anybody can be influenced to be anything. if everybody was gay in the world....do you think out of the blue a straight baby will be born to like women from the get go?

its jsut like molestors or abusers....the chances of them influencing the child or molestee or abused to do the same is off the scale.



i hate haveing to repeat myself, but you have a choice.....you may not have remembered makeing it, but you did.

put it this way....you know you had your first words right....your parents told you right?

i can guarentee you dont remember saying them, but you did say them right?

its the same with your decision to be gay or bi or what have you. you just dont remember it.

So, at what point did YOU make a conscious choice to be hetero?

somehow i knew that would be thrown out, but you cant look at celebrities. they are jsut as bad as homosexuals....they have alterior motives for why they do things in their life.

you have to look at the general public.

Then let's look at the general public, shall we?

Among the general public, there's a 50% divorce rate.

I rest my case.

Gay people have a lot to answer for in today's society.

They claim, fallaciously I suggest, that they are denied equal rights. The basis of this is that they are not guaranteed the right to marry the person the "love."

No shit Sherlock, that is, in fact how the system works. Gay people have exactly the same marriage rights as everyone else. I know it and they know it. In fact, had they been serious about this they could have obtained a tax determination in California back in the 80s which would really have supported their case. But they didn't. So I suppose this whole "love" thing is bollocks anyway, To them it is all rights, no sacrifice.

But let's get on to the meat of my argument. AIDS.

Yes, that's right, AIDS, the filthy homosexual diesease that was going to kill us all. Not only did the genius homosexuals bring it to this country, they did their damn best to spread it as far as possible.

Then they threatened the straight community with it. Yes the straight people were going to suffer from AIDS just as much as they did. But we didn't. You know why? Because we are not promiscious sodomites. So it was all a big gay lie.

Nevertheless, today, in addition to gay pride parades and fell good about homo days, we have to also contribute to AIDS research.

Listen homos, if you lived like the straight married people you claim you want to be, AIDS would not be a problem - just like it isn't in the straight community.

So here's the deal, cut down on your AIDS, pay all the money back we wasted on your AIDS research - which lets face it is basically a government effort that helps only homosexuals - and then we may be able to talk about you getting married.

There are a few other things that presently ban you too, but I'm not going into them right now.

My, my...such virtriolic language might lead one to the conclusion that you are a true, God-loving Christian, who loves all people unconditionally, as you were commanded to! :rolleyes:

Second, I'd say that the OPPRESSORS of other people, be they gay, black, or any other persecuted minority...THEY are the ones who have much to answer for...not the ones who are oppressed.

Thirdly, AIDS is not a gay disease, see my posting on that on page 55.

Fourthly...ah, I see now...saving the life of someone you despise is "wasting money." I get it.

You, sir, are a true Christian gentleman. :rolleyes:

My, my...such virtriolic language might lead one to the conclusion that you are a true, God-loving Christian, who loves all people unconditionally, as you were commanded to! :rolleyes:

Second, I'd say that the OPPRESSORS of other people, be they gay, black, or any other persecuted minority...THEY are the ones who have much to answer for...not the ones who are oppressed.

Thirdly, AIDS is not a gay disease, see my posting on that on page 55.

Fourthly...ah, I see now...saving the life of someone you despise is "wasting money." I get it.

You, sir, are a true Christian gentleman. :rolleyes:

Why are you always so angry? You need a fluffle.

:fluffle:

Oh good, the we can stop pissing away billions on a non-event disease that does not effect the straight non I.V. drug using community.

It's a waste. Every time I see a stupid homosexual sponsored AIDS walk, I get angry thinking about my best friends daughter who is dying of cystic fibrosis.

And i think, if only CF, was a gay disease communicated through rampant anal sodomy, then she might have a chance. But she doesn't.

So gay people, shut up. You already get more than your fair share with you gay diesease. Stop with the marriage thing too. Clearly given the infection rates, it is all bullshit.

Ah...so you think all the money for AIDS research should go into CF research, to save your daughter, since she is obviously worth more than any homosexual. again, sir, you are a true Christian gentleman! :rolleyes:

Yes Goed, reading is good. And read your second sources again, only one third of the new infections occurred in the straight comunity, the highest proportion of which occured in the African Amreican community, whose female partners reported not knowing the habits of their "lovers".

At the same time, it is the same comunity, by the accounts of your cited article that is most likely to hide their homosexual promiscious behavior.

Like I said, aids is a gay disease, and if the gays could just behave like striaghts, it would disappear.

Yes. and that is why nearly 50% of Sub-Saharan Africa has AIDS. Becuase they don't behave like straights.

Sir, your ignorance is breathtaking in it's scope. Tell me you don't seriously believe this pabulum puking you are posting.

Heh. Damn inequali... oh wait, it's on my favour. Nevermind :D

I think if I wanted to get married to a girl I'd try and find some loophole that would let me or, preferably, my female partner claim to be male... ideally one of us would have one of those wacky sex-chromosome combinations (no offence meant by 'wacky'). Although I think it's said that anyone with at least one Y chromosome = male...

Bah. Screw it. I'd just move to somewhere where gay marriage is legal. Governments that don't allow it sure as hell don't deserve my tax dollars.
Right on!!
I'd love to leave this country, too. they don't deserve MY tax dollars, either.

So, tell me, I really want to know... is it against your religion to form a coherent, logical thought? Because in gamer terms, it sounds very much as if when they were passing out brains, you thought they said trains and ran for your life.

I sincerely wish upon you a lifechanging experience that puts you in the position of the maltreated and opressed minority so that you have an opportunity to learn to be a decent human being.

DAMN, Booslandia, I love you more with every single post!!

I never said that only homosexuals have aids, I said that homosexuality is the primary transimission mechanism.

Homosexual men are far more promiscuous than striaight people. We have an entire industry in this country dedicated to curing the disease that they spread thorugh their promiscuity. Unless and until the moderate their behavior, and the AIDS funding is put on the same level as CF,

Ah, yes...of course...because CF affects someone YOU love...so it should be more important to everyone, right?

Damn, you are just incredible.

Hey, anyone got a dictionary so I can look up "Selfish," and "insesitive?"

Oh, so their promiscuity has nothing to do with it then?

Rubbish. You have to meet people half way. If teh gays want the marriage, they need to start acting like the straights.

You're ON!!

Let's See....

"Who Wants To Marry A Gay Millionaire?"

"Gay Temptation Island"

Any other ideas, my gay brothers and sisters?? you heard the man...as soon as we start "acting like straights" he will support our rights for marriage! So let's start "acting like straights!" Any more good ideas, folks?

So when WILL they be ready, O Great Swami Mitchumton??

I'd evidently missed the post that you were responding to here. A colony of gays sounds like a great idea to me! Give us some land, a few start up resources and leave us the fuck alone. In a hundred years it will be the most beautiful, peaceful, and successful nation on the planet.

Of course then the straight people will start trying to move in and try to take us over . . .

Thank you Shaed. You are a sweetie. And I think that we have too many institutions protecting the amazingly stupid and allowing them to reproduce and spread their defective genes through the genetic pool, which produces such prodigies as our dear Gen here.

Gen, please go get a proper education on the disease you are so cheerfully dismissing as primarily vectored by gay men. AIDs, unlike you and your mentally deficient peers, does not discriminate. It spread more quickly through IV drug abuse than via homosexual activity. It CONTINUES to spread more quickly than it should because BIGOTED FATHEADS like yourself INSIST on yammering at the tops of their lungs about how it's mostly if not entirely a big gay disease that godfearing hets aren't at huge risk of getting.

Meanwhile, the gay community is doing everything in its power to protect itself from being ravaged by the "gay plague" while the hetero population is merrily contracting and spreading it like the common cold because most of us are too stupid to understand that screwing someone of the opposite sex is a handy, easy way to transmit the bloody virus. "Oh, Johnny's straight and never touched a sausage in his life so he can't have it" doesn't keep him from giving to Mary-Jane after he got it from his previous girlfriend who just happened to bang some guy who shot up meth and got it off a needle someone else used.

Promiscuity isn't a commodity that the gay population has cornered, FYI. Venerial diseases like herpes are so common in the mainstream population that you can't watch TV for an evening without seeing a commercial for meds that supress and hide breakouts FFS. The average hetero person is amazingly unconcerned about protecting themselves and their sexual partners against STDs and barely concern themselves except for after the fact about pregnancy. It's pretty disgusting that you can blissfully ignore that it's socially acceptible for straight men to carry on like complete whores while bleating about how awful it is for gay men to do so.

Please go rent a brain.

DAMN, booslandia...we GOTTA get to know one another!! I love you!

I'd evidently missed the post that you were responding to here. A colony of gays sounds like a great idea to me! Give us some land, a few start up resources and leave us the fuck alone. In a hundred years it will be the most beautiful, peaceful, and successful nation on the planet.

Of course then the straight people will start trying to move in and try to take us over . . .

No offense, but how would a gay colony survive 100 years?

BTW, if I was in power, I would cut all AIDS funding.

Yes, we know...and you would put it all into CF research, since we all know that your duaghter's life is worht more than millions of other lives.

Again, sir, your Christian charity just shines right through! :rolleyes:

No offense, but how would a gay colony survive 100 years?

As has been pointed out many many times on this self-same forum, just because gays typically do not have sex with members of the opposite gender, it does not mean that they cannot. Gay men can (and do!) have sex with women to create children! And then of course there is the little matter of artificial insemination. You'd think you people live in the stone age to not be able to figure this out for yourselves.

As has been pointed out many many times on this self-same forum, just because gays typically do not have sex with members of the opposite gender, it does not mean that they cannot. Gay men can (and do!) have sex with women to create children! And then of course there is the little matter of artificial insemination. You'd think you people live in the stone age to not be able to figure this out for yourselves.

Well then that's what you had to say. You didn't need to be a dick about it in the process.

Well then that's what you had to say. You didn't need to be a dick about it in the process.

Sorry, thought you were one of the typical idiot bashers. My apologies to you if you are not. It's a sorry ass reason, but I blame it on the sinus medication.

I was walking through the mall today, just finishing up a little bit of late christmas shopping. The mall was packed with people, individuals buying for their families and couples searching for gifts together. The line for the kids to take a picture with Santa Claus was almost out the door. There was a gay couple holding hands and window shopping at rings, then they continued on and kissed each other. RIGHT IN FRONT OF A LINE FULL OF KIDS GOING TO SEE SANTA.

As I passed by the line, I heard a boy go "Why did those two men kiss daddy?", I felt sorry for the dad that had to answer that question. How are you supposed to explain that?

And that's only the start, kids copy what they see, next thing you know they will be trying to COPY that!!

If Gay Marriage isn't banned, next thing you know they will be having to teach this shit to our kids in school!!
You talk funny :)

Why would anyone insist that gay people have a surplus of electrons?

Why is it I've noticed that if people don't like a behavoir, they automatically assume that it'll be a negative influence on every child who might see it? Oh, perhaps it's because they're silly, mostly illiterate, stereotypical idiots who have decided that if the world does not pander to them and be exactly like them with their close-minded views about everything, that any differences in the world, such as homosexuality, are the Devil's work, and should be banned immediately under the pretext that "it's for the good of the children".

That's right, silly me.

But tell me this: Were you in the other person's shoes - were homosexuality the norm, and HETEROSEXUALS couldn't display their affection in public, or marry, or do any of those things which people like you deny gays - would you not be incensed?

Something tells me - I think it's called common sense - that you would.

Next time you see something different to your norm, think of THAT. Put yourself where THEY are, and see how you'd like being on the other side of the glass.

Just something to think about.

Calenth

Very well said

No offense, but how would a gay colony survive 100 years?

Easy.

Open immigration to all GLBT people.

The breeders are always making more of us. :D

Easy.

Open immigration to all GLBT people.

The breeders are always making more of us. :D

You're gay? Oh well. :fluffle: anyway!

You're gay? Oh well. :fluffle: anyway!

Actually, no. I'm T.
T for transgender.
As to my sexuality, I would best be described as ASEXUAL.

I, quite literally, have and desire, no sex drive whatsoever.

Don't want it. Don't need it.

The idea of being with another woman just isn't a good one for me. I couldn't do it. And the only bulge in any man's pants I'm interested in...is the one his wallet makes. He can keep the rest of it, far as I am concerned.

Actually, no. I'm T.
T for transgender.
As to my sexuality, I would best be described as ASEXUAL.

I, quite literally, have and desire, no sex drive whatsoever.

Don't want it. Don't need it.

The idea of being with another woman just isn't a good one for me. I couldn't do it. And the only bulge in any man's pants I'm interested in...is the one his wallet makes. He can keep the rest of it, far as I am concerned.

Well, I'm bisexual, and extremely sexual, so :fluffle:!

Look out! I'm 13! I BETTER NOT SEE ANY GAY PEOPLE OR I MIGHT START ASKING QUESTIONS OR (Highly unlikely) MAYBE EVEN KISS OTHER BOYS! AHHH!!!

I dunno why everyone can't just control their base urges while they are in public places. A little self control isn't so hard. I might feel like taking a dump while I'm a shopping mall - I always go to the bathroom, I don't just drop my britches wherever I happen to be a let the mud fly.

Actually, no. I'm T.
T for transgender.
As to my sexuality, I would best be described as ASEXUAL.
I, quite literally, have and desire, no sex drive whatsoever.
Don't want it. Don't need it.
The idea of being with another woman just isn't a good one for me. I couldn't do it. And the only bulge in any man's pants I'm interested in...is the one his wallet makes. He can keep the rest of it, far as I am concerned.

You mean you dont even...masturbate?

And wind up in prison. Where you could expect to get raped plenty more times. Real smart.

First one who tried it would die, simple.

If theres agroup of them, I guess I would die.

First one who tried it would die, simple.

If theres agroup of them, I guess I would die.

Uh, how would they die?

"Don't come near me! I play rugby! I'll kill you! I swear!"

=Grave_n_idle Just because they left the garden with nothing, doesn't mean they would automatically revert to stone age... any more than that would be true if I were dropped in isolation... would I return to the stone age?

You would find it extremely tough for a while...Castaway?

But you have the advantage of thousands of years of knowlege at your

brains disposal, if you can use it practically, as in hands on experience, you

will not go back to the stoneage, but you will be pretty busy sometimes.




I don't buy Von Daniken - anymore than I think "Star Wars" is a valid creation myht.

I think it is a possibility.

Just not two people, and not in one place.

If thats true, it means evolution is wrong.

Uh, how would they die?
"Don't come near me! I play rugby! I'll kill you! I swear!"

League.... try to remember League... and yes, there are a few differences.

Um dont knock it either, getting picked up by the scrotum and chest , and

driven head first into a prison wall or floor, would do the job nicely.

That happens in league sometimes, except the prison floor/wall is a hard low

cut grass field.

And we dont wear helmuts either.

League.... try to remember League... and yes, there are a few differences.

Um dont knock it either, getting picked up by the scrotum and chest , and

driven head first into a prison wall or floor, would do the job nicely.

That happens in league sometimes, except the prison floor/wall is a hard low

cut grass field.

And we dont wear helmuts either.

JOKE, Termy. It was a JOKE.
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And why do you always skip a line?

I would just like to add that many gays are "permiscuous" because they CAN'T get married. It's harder to have a long-lasting relationship if you can't seal it by law and protect it.

I was walking through the mall today, just finishing up a little bit of late christmas shopping. The mall was packed with people, individuals buying for their families and couples searching for gifts together. The line for the kids to take a picture with Santa Claus was almost out the door. There was a gay couple holding hands and window shopping at rings, then they continued on and kissed each other. RIGHT IN FRONT OF A LINE FULL OF KIDS GOING TO SEE SANTA.

As I passed by the line, I heard a boy go "Why did those two men kiss daddy?", I felt sorry for the dad that had to answer that question. How are you supposed to explain that?

And that's only the start, kids copy what they see, next thing you know they will be trying to COPY that!!

If Gay Marriage isn't banned, next thing you know they will be having to teach this shit to our kids in school!!

That should not be a worry to you. What you should worry about is why you have homophobia. You should worry about other greater influences that kids may fall under, brainwashing (advertising), alcahol, porn, political influence (lies and deceit), lies in education/religion, and celebrity land (obsession, lust and idolotry).
And of course, the lie of SANTA! I like this scenario, its a gooood example. You saying you're fearful about these kids being under the influence of gay people kissing in public when they are lining up for the greater lie, Santa. Maybe the greater influence is accepting the belief and lies of Santa, with the obsession of consumerism and the acquiring of wordly posessions.

Also gay people have just as much right to kiss and cuddle in public as straight couples do. If straight couples can't control their urges why should gay couples control theirs?

As for you feeling sorry for the dad, I'd like to know why. To me, if my child asked 'where do babies come from' in public, then I'd be embarassed, not why two guys kissed. Saying something like 'I'll tell you when we get home' is suitable. Also parents have to face these tough question about life. If parents avoid these questions they'll be dishonouring their children.

[QUOTE= Goed Twee]JOKE, Termy. It was a JOKE.
http://www.aperfectworld.org/clipart/entertainment/clown.gif

Prison is no joke mate.

Actually I shouldnt have looked at the clown, something about them.

I dunno why everyone can't just control their base urges while they are in public places. A little self control isn't so hard. I might feel like taking a dump while I'm a shopping mall - I always go to the bathroom, I don't just drop my britches wherever I happen to be a let the mud fly.

Taking a shit is a far cry from showing affection towards the person you love.

and, besides, taking a shit, like that, in the middle of the mall, would be illegal, as it involves indecent exposure. Showing affection towards the person you love, thankfully, is not illegal yet...but it willbe if the prudes and homophobes get their way.

I might not want to see public displays of affection...but then, I can always look the other way.

The original poster of this thread should BE A PARENT...and cover his child's eyes, or turn them away, or otherwise distract them, if they do not want their child to see something.

BE A PARENT.

I would just like to add that many gays are "permiscuous" because they CAN'T get married. It's harder to have a long-lasting relationship if you can't seal it by law and protect it.

Rubbish, as if marriage would seal it, once you get the urge to have a fling,

you will probably go through with it regardless.

The only thing stops promiscuity, is your will power.

If your wife/spouse loves you just as much, she will be faithful too.

You mean you dont even...masturbate?
That would be correct.

The closest I come to doing that is using a device called a dialator, which I must use every so often, for medical reasons. Believe me, I don't look forward to it, and it gives me zero pleasure having to do it.

But, to answer your rather personal question...the answer is...no, I do not masturbate. Like I said, I have no sex drive. I know, many people find the absence of a sex drive to be rather strange, but, that is the way I got built. I have no sex drive. None. And never have had one, either.

Alright, this guy said it alot better then me. I want to steer my kids away from this, it's hard enough as it is with violence and sex every where ( such as TV ).

You have to be careful what you expose kids to, It's great for them to be open minded, but you have to slowly open up their minds to their world, if you do it too fast they will be hurt.

How can I protect my kids from this though, if they are forced to teach it in schools?

I know there is a lot of pain in this world, a lot of things that we dont want our kids to know about, and I know exactly why because I have depression, and everywhere I turn there is just more death and pain and violence and fear.

But children NEED to know that yes, there are people out there just like them, boys who like boys, girls who like girls, because believe me, if they don't get help and acknowledgement of who they are, some of these kids will kill themselves. FACT: incidents of attempted suicide are highest among gay youth acording to studies in America, Britain, and the rest of Europe. I am pretty sure most gay people will be able to say they survived suicidal ideation in their youth )if they were aware of their sexuality at a young age).

So you see, you are not protecting children from anything by hiding things from them. You are in fact, probably doing them more harm than good, and if they are aware of their sexuality sooner after they start questioning themselves rather than later, they are probably less likely to go off and do other dangerous things along the way as they try to find an answer to their questions.

Knowing this, what would you do? I am only 20, but I know what I'm talking about, believe me. :(

What part of 'go back to iran' dont you understand?

Hahahaha!

Really, what we NEED is more education, earlier, about the fact that homosexuality exists. If we teach kids to respect them as fellow human beings when they are young, they will grow up to be more mature, responsible adults.

First one who tried it would die, simple.

If theres agroup of them, I guess I would die.

Trust me, there'd be a group of them. And they wouldn't kill you. They'd beat you to within an inch of your life, until you were subdued, and unable to fight back...and then they would take what they wanted from you.

I've had friends in prison before. Fortunately, I have never been there myself...unless you count the time I did time as a 10 year old kid in the "Scared Straight" program that was popular in the late 70's...where they would take "problem children" and lock them up with non-violent offenders, who would ACT as though they WERE violent offenders, and scare the crap out of you. It worked on me. Three hours of that shit and I swore never to break the law, and end up in prison for real.

That was the thing, too...they never told you how long you had to stay when they locked you up in the Scared Straight program. As it turned out, it was three hours. I don't believe that the program exists any more, but I can tell you, it worked on me!

[QUOTE=Bucksnort]That would be correct.
The closest I come to doing that is using a device called a dialator, which I must use every so often, for medical reasons. Believe me, I don't look forward to it, and it gives me zero pleasure having to do it.


How many times do you have to use it?

But, to answer your rather personal question...the answer is...no, I do not masturbate. Like I said, I have no sex drive. I know, many people find the absence of a sex drive to be rather strange, but, that is the way I got built. I have no sex drive. None. And never have had one, either.

I dont have one either, Im just too worn out to have one.

If a nice filly walks past and gives some signals, or in a convo, then Im OK,

but generally now, its something I rarely think about.

do you people SLEEP?


seriously, damn...

Sleep? It's 7:33 PM...

huh? oh, right... hah, i just slept through an entire day! silly me...



shut up.

[QUOTE]


How many times do you have to use it?



.

At first, two and three times a day. Now, two years post-operative, once a month seems sufficient. And probably could go longer, too, but, again, I don't want to take chances, and create a difficult to reverse medical complication.

I'm just glad the days of two and three times a day are long over with. Quite frankly, sexuality...in any form, makes me uncomfortable, because I have no sex drive. But I don't deny others. and love has never offended me, regardless of who the participants in love are.

I'd happily marry a man with zero sex drive, and be happy the rest of my life with that. But, if a man I truly loved really WANTED it...I'd go along...for him. But I'd get no enjoyment out of it.

That is why I generally am not interested in any sort of a relationship with anyone. I don't want what goes along with it.

[QUOTE=Bucksnort]Trust me, there'd be a group of them. And they wouldn't kill you. They'd beat you to within an inch of your life, until you were subdued, and unable to fight back...and then they would take what they wanted from you.

I wouldnt let them subdue me, they would have to kill me, Id unlease the

fury, anything goes, eye gouges, balls and ears ripped off, the lot.


I've had friends in prison before. Fortunately, I have never been there myself...unless you count the time I did time as a 10 year old kid in the "Scared Straight" program that was popular in the late 70's...where they would take "problem children" and lock them up with non-violent offenders, who would ACT as though they WERE violent offenders, and scare the crap out of you. It worked on me. Three hours of that shit and I swore never to break the law, and end up in prison for real.

I remember watching that, it was excellent, it should still be used.



That was the thing, too...they never told you how long you had to stay when they locked you up in the Scared Straight program. As it turned out, it was three hours. I don't believe that the program exists any more, but I can tell you, it worked on me!

I used to be a street kid, and some of the guys out of prison would rule us

day and night, with intimidation etc, some of those guys were very scary

customers.

If you werent polite to them, they would beat you up untill you were.

[QUOTE=Bucksnort]At first, two and three times a day. Now, two years post-operative, once a month seems sufficient. And probably could go longer, too, but, again, I don't want to take chances, and create a difficult to reverse medical complication.

So they drain you of semen, is that it?

Or is it testosterone?

But I don't deny others. and love has never offended me, regardless of who the participants in love are.

Im very conservative and Christian, so for me I only like seeing men and

women holding hands etc, yeah yeah homophobe etc rah rah , but if you see

life that way, thats your business.


I'd happily marry a man with zero sex drive, and be happy the rest of my life with that. But, if a man I truly loved really WANTED it...I'd go along...for him. But I'd get no enjoyment out of it.

Then he wouldnt either after a while.


That is why I generally am not interested in any sort of a relationship with anyone. I don't want what goes along with it.

You sound like a loner, thats what I am, not unsociable, I have friends and

aquaintances, but most of the time, I really prefer to be alone.

Rubbish, as if marriage would seal it, once you get the urge to have a fling, you will probably go through with it regardless. The only thing stops promiscuity, is your will power. If your wife/spouse loves you just as much, she will be faithful too.

As much as it pains me to admit it, Termy is right on this one. Marriage won't stop sleeping around--just look at straight people for that one! Of course, if promiscuity is to be a reason to deny marriage, then no frat member will EVER get married legally.

As much as it pains me to admit it, Termy is right on this one. Marriage won't stop sleeping around--just look at straight people for that one! Of course, if promiscuity is to be a reason to deny marriage, then no frat member will EVER get married legally.

Of course I'm right, people that sleep around in marriages, are morally

bankrupt to begin with, and without God, its not because their 'straight' that

influences this.

I was walking through the mall today, just finishing up a little bit of late christmas shopping. The mall was packed with people, individuals buying for their families and couples searching for gifts together. The line for the kids to take a picture with Santa Claus was almost out the door. There was a gay couple holding hands and window shopping at rings, then they continued on and kissed each other. RIGHT IN FRONT OF A LINE FULL OF KIDS GOING TO SEE SANTA.

As I passed by the line, I heard a boy go "Why did those two men kiss daddy?", I felt sorry for the dad that had to answer that question. How are you supposed to explain that?

And that's only the start, kids copy what they see, next thing you know they will be trying to COPY that!!

If Gay Marriage isn't banned, next thing you know they will be having to teach this shit to our kids in school!!

A new bit of information for your limited intellect to not grasp: people sometimes love each other, and if they love each other romantically they sometimes like to hold hands and kiss.

If I had been the dad in question (which I never would have been, since I'm a girl, but the same goes for if I were a mother in that situation), I would take advantage of that opportunity to teach them about tolerance and accepting people even if they're different from you. The fact that the child asked shows that there is at least hope for him and that negative influences such as homophobic bigots hadn't gotten to him too badly.

Children don't copy everything they see. As a child, I saw a number of people kissing, but I like most other little girls felt strongly that boys had cooties so I didn't kiss any. By the time I was old enough that I might want to, I had a pretty good grasp on what being attracted to someone feels like and thus didn't kiss other girls because I wasn't attracted to them. Also, understanding what it's really like to feel that way about someone led me to be completely respectful of gay relationships, because I understand that it's not something that can be changed and that when you love someone you want to be with them.

And what is it your afraid they'll teach in school, kissing? Unlikely, unless you count peer pressure. Teaching children that some men love men, some women love women, some men love women, and some women love men? It's true, so why not teach it? I realize public schools are largely about carefully controlling the information they give children so that they think what they want them to, but I wasn't aware the general public felt that that was a good thing.

This is a relatively simple concept, but I'm guessing you don't understand it so I'll go over it again: people, children and young adults especially, are curious. If their parents don't teach them about something, they will find out eventually from friends, the media, or some other source, and unless they have had open and honest parents who taught them about it, they are more likely than not to decide to try it. Parents who are paranoid enough to be afraid above all over things that their little boys will go have sex with men or that their little girls will go have sex with women should teach them at a young enough age that it isn't totally humiliating for the children that some people do that and, if they really want their children to be members of the KKK when they grow up, that this is very bad and sinful. That is of course from a parenting perspective: as far as a morally right perspective, I think parents that want their children to think that should lose all rights to be parents since they're not intelligent enough to successfully refrain from sending their children off to get killed in a war or some such thing as that, and besides the last thing we need is hordes of little bigots running around.

May you be suddenly struck with the capacity to think for yourself.

Thank you for your time.

Of course I'm right, people that sleep around in marriages, are morally

bankrupt to begin with, and without God, its not because their 'straight' that

influences this.


And its not because they are gay that homosexuals do it either.

May you be suddenly struck with the capacity to think for yourself.


He does think for himself, as you do, you just dont agree, simple.

And its not because they are gay that homosexuals do it either.

I disagree on that, Im not trying to villify gays for it, just point out it is alot

more easier for them to do so, casual sex on the spot with no strings

attached, comes easier between men, than between men and women.

Once again, this is not a flame.

He does think for himself, as you do, you just dont agree, simple.

I don't think so...

You see, he thinks as he has learned to think. He has no points of his own, and the mild points that he uses (along with tons of other homophobes) he is incapable of backing up because guess what? He didn't think of them, so he didn't think them through. It's like when you quote something out of a magazine article and people ask you how they know... a lot of times, you don't have an answer.

I disagree on that, Im not trying to villify gays for it, just point out it is alot

more easier for them to do so, casual sex on the spot with no strings

attached, comes easier between men, than between men and women.

Once again, this is not a flame.

Do you have any proof to back that up?

I disagree on that, Im not trying to villify gays for it, just point out it is alot

more easier for them to do so, casual sex on the spot with no strings

attached, comes easier between men, than between men and women.

Once again, this is not a flame.

So men are pigs. Tell us something new. How does that relate to gay equality?

So men are pigs. Tell us something new. How does that relate to gay equality?

It seems that it is lost on a lot of people that women can be gay as well.

It seems that it is lost on a lot of people that women can be gay as well.

Actually, I do realize that. The same question goes. How does men being pigs relate to gay equality, whether male or female?

Actually, I do realize that. The same question goes. How does men being pigs relate to gay equality, whether male or female?

I know. I was referring to Terminalia.

Remember?

<---Not anti-homosexuality

I know. I was referring to Terminalia.

Remember?

<---Not anti-homosexuality


Sorry, didn't mean that to be pointed towards you. I'm also having trouble telling people apart lately. . . .some people are not doing quotes right (not you) and its getting more and more confusing!

Sorry, didn't mean that to be pointed towards you. I'm also having trouble telling people apart lately. . . .some people are not doing quotes right (not you) and its getting more and more confusing!

Second time today, man.

Second time today, man.

All I can do is say sorry.

All I can do is say sorry.

Meh, whatever. It's cool.

Hi Bucksnort. *grin* No... I don't live anywhere near Texas. My BF's WoW clan has a very nice gay bartender from Texas in it (who coincidentally played AO with my gamegroup before WoW was released), but that's as close to the Big Belt-Buckle and Oil Barons State as we get. Dreadful climate. I'm flattered by your enthusiastic response to my angry rantings though. Hee hee! Is it true that a lot of the GBLT and alternative lifestyle peeps have migrated there? O.o

Now, for all you knuckleheads who are STILL barking about the evils of homosexuality AND the horrors of publicly displaying affection -- GET OVER IT!!!! Just take your damned meds FFS and get a grip.

AIDs...

AIDs is the plague of MY lifetime. It came into being when I was a school kid. It could have been stopped, or at worst slowed before I even graduated highschool. Even if, in the 70s, MOST Americans were amazingly promiscuous regardless of age, gender, class or sexual orientation. It STILL could have been dealt with so that it would not have become the pandemic it is today. But it wasn't. It wasn't. I was left to spread like WILDFIRE across not only the US, but Europe, Africa and most of the civilized world. Why? What CAUSED AIDs to become the pandemic plague we have now?

IGNORANCE. Ignorance and intolerance. The CDC knew of its existance and alerted state and national agencies about its existance and the dangers it presented. IGNORANCE, ARROGANCE and HATE caused AIDs to spread the way it did more than ANY other factor in the entire history of the disease. Because the government percieved it to be a gay disease (they USED to call it "Gay Cancer".. can you believe that shit?), they did NOTHING and approved NOTHING that would properly inform or alert the American public about the dangers and known causes of the disease and did a GREAT DEAL to hinder the efforts of doctors and scientists who WERE concerned about the disease to do more than track the vectoring and spread of it.

Smallminded, stupid, hypocritical braintrusts like our dear Gen stood back and LAUGHED while the statistics of transmission and fatality among gay men in America rose and the CDC scrambled to figure out what the hell it was and how the hell it was spreading. What they WEREN'T seeing was all the STRAIGHT people who were contracting the disease from IV drug use, blood transfusions, blood contact with infected persons and HETEROSEXUAL SEX!!!! They didn't see it because 1- They didn't WANT to see it. and 2- The CDC didn't yet know what to look for and both afflicted persons and their physicians didn't know what the defining symptoms were to report to the CDC.

Even more frightening was (and still is) the insidious nature of the virus itself, laying dormant inside its hosts, showing no symptoms and leaving its carriers utterly unaware that they were FATALLY and COMMUNICABLY ill. So all those unfortunate, "innocent" heteros were carrying this HORRIBLE disease and spreading it JUST LIKE THEIR HOMOSEXUAL countrymen. But you morons never learned any of that, did you? To you, it's just like in the 70s -- "Gay Plague". Another excuse for you to pick on an unprotected minority. Another sick effing joke you can snigger at while feeling selfrighteous for being part of the spread of the world's most widespread and ravaging modern disease.

Kiss my white gothic butt, you pathetic perpetrators of passive-agressive mass manslaughter. I hope you eventually come to realize how wrong and horrific your views and actions (or lack thereof) TRUELY are -- before some hetero person you love ends up with AIDs and passes it to you... AND whoever you're banging on the side while pretending to be so upstanding and moral.

And umm... AIDs is still regarded by the medical and scientific community as having originated in monkeys and vectored into the human population through some sick, desperate guys boffing said infected primates, then going home and doing their women. Happy now?

Sick. You're all mentally and morally diseased. Let them die... they deserve it... NO ONE deserves it. Not even you. Just sick. Get well soon, mofoes.

It seems that it is lost on a lot of people that women can be gay as well.

Heh. I don't think it's so much lost on them as it is that they don't MIND women kissing women because they entertain secret dreams of getting in a lesbian sandwitch while forgetting that two lesbians wouldn't want anything to do with their male anatomies.

Course when a lesbian tells a guy she's not interested, they're more likely to think "frigid bitch" than "dyke" unless she's the stereotypical mannish gay woman...in which case MOST of them wouldn't even DREAM of propositioning them anyway, as they are mostly conditioned to pick up on skinny, bigbreasted, longhaired chicks with lipstick-painted DSLs.

And umm... AIDs is still regarded by the medical and scientific community as having originated in monkeys and vectored into the human population through some sick, desperate guys boffing said infected primates, then going home and doing their women. Happy now?
That is untrue. We are completely unaware of the index case of AIDS in humans. It was spreading in rural sub-Saharan Africa for longer than we know. And, I must admit, roughtly 50% of AIDS in the US is still in homosexuals. 35% is from unsanitary IV needle use (druggies), and the rest, 15% is through heterosexual copulation. It actually does primarily afflict gays in the U.S., though worldwide HIV is 60% in women and 40% in men, and same-sex female copulation does not typically transmit HIV. But it is going to even out into the heterosexual population, don't you homophobes doubt that.

But it is going to even out into the heterosexual population, don't you homophobes doubt that.

I doupt it, it would have done so already, should have left those poor

monkeys alone lol

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I doupt it, it would have done so already, should have left those poor

monkeys alone lol


It has. It's only in the west (and maybe only in the US, I'm not familiar with the stats for other industrialized nations) that HIV is more prevalent in the gay population. Worldwide it's an overwhelmingly straight disease. Those poor people in developing nations, god's wrath and destruction of those evil homos got them too. Or maybe he is punishing them for being poor.

So men are pigs. Tell us something new. How does that relate to gay equality?

Not pigs, just able to take advantage of the fact that casual sex with

another man, isnt going to lead to complications such as pregnancy, the

possibility of which, plays a huge part in relationships between men and

women.

I dont see what gay equality has to do with it, as far as human beings go, Id

accept gays as equal, but not one of the club so to speak, just part of

a different club that plays another game,.

As far as accepting gays as having

equal marriage and family rights, I would rather die I think, than to accept it.

It's not for you.

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So they drain you of semen, is that it?
Or is it testosterone?

Im very conservative and Christian, so for me I only like seeing men and
women holding hands etc, yeah yeah homophobe etc rah rah , but if you see
life that way, thats your business.

Then he wouldnt either after a while.

You sound like a loner, thats what I am, not unsociable, I have friends and
aquaintances, but most of the time, I really prefer to be alone.

Actually, there's a lot more to it than that. Try watching The Discovery Channel sometime, or do some research on Transgenderism, transsexualism, and Kleinfelter Syndrome.
I'll let you do your own research, rather than spell it out for you, since, you state you are a "very conservative Christian" I believe you would have your hands up in horror if I went into detail. forgive me for making the assumption, but, this is what "conservative Christian" has come to mean in my mind. Conservative Christian = a person who thinks I am a freak, at best...and ought to be killed, at worst...at the very least, they think I ought to be denied my civil rights and human dignity, for, in their eyes, I no longer am human.
This is how I now percieve "conservative Christians." And they did it to themselves, so, if you don't like my perception, then work to change your group into more tolerant, loving members of society and my opinion might change...but, as it stands now, my opinion holds.

I, on the other hand, am a full-tilt radical lefty, pinko, commie, call me what you will liberal. I believe that anyone should do whatever they want, so long as it does not hurt others, and is between consenting parties of legal age to consent...and, of course, full mental capacity to consent.

And, sorry...you don't have a right to not be grossed out, offended, or intimidated. That does not constitute "hurting" you. you are not being deprived of any of your basic civil liberties, or human dignities...nor are you being deprived of life, limb, or property without due course of law.

So you don't wanna see it? Get over it, then, and look the other way. That's what I do. God gave us a neck that swivels for a reason, you know, mate. God gave us eyelids for a reason, too. And God also gave us hands with which to cover our poor defenseless children's eyes, and prevent them from seeing something we don't want them to. In a nutshell...grow up, if you think that anyone should be not allowed to show affection for the person they love, in apublic place...grow up. So long, of course, as it doesn't cross the line between simply showing affection, and literally making out.

I see nothing wrong with a couple holding hands, or giving one another a quick kiss on the cheek, or even the lips, in public. When they start playing tonsil hockey, and groping each other's body parts in public, then they are out of line, I don't care if they are hetero or homo, they are over the line at that point. But if they aren't doing that stuff, then what's the big freaking deal?

As to the rest...yes, I am pretty much a loner...by choice. I have a rather small circle of friends and acquaintances, and that is just about it. I would truly rather be alone, than risk getting hurt. I'm not sure what that says about my own psychological makeup, but, I get along with myself, and it doesn't bother me overmuch, to go days on end without even seeing or speaking to, another human being.

That is untrue. We are completely unaware of the index case of AIDS in humans. It was spreading in rural sub-Saharan Africa for longer than we know. And, I must admit, roughtly 50% of AIDS in the US is still in homosexuals. 35% is from unsanitary IV needle use (druggies), and the rest, 15% is through heterosexual copulation. It actually does primarily afflict gays in the U.S., though worldwide HIV is 60% in women and 40% in men, and same-sex female copulation does not typically transmit HIV. But it is going to even out into the heterosexual population, don't you homophobes doubt that.

Just to point out that the original poster did say that is it "regarded" to have jumped from simeons to humans. This is because of similarities between the Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV) and the Simeon Immunodeficiency Virus (SIV). Therefore, it is commonly held that the human disease resulted from either eating bush meat or from sex with animals. How it spread from there, no one knows. Anyways, its all just theory (which is my point htat I think the original poster knew).

Or maybe he is punishing them for being poor.
That is a much more valid point. AIDS is, unfortunately, a disease of poverty.

I dont see what gay equality has to do with it, as far as human beings go, Id

accept gays as equal, but not one of the club so to speak, just part of

a different club that plays another game,.

As far as accepting gays as having

equal marriage and family rights, I would rather die I think, than to accept it.

It's not for you.

Now term, I consider you to be fairly intelligent, even if you haven't developed. This post has changed that. Even a non-thinker with a moderately normal intelligence would see that you directly contradict yourself here.

"I'd accept gays as equals"

and

"As far as accepting gays as having equal marriage and family rights, I would rather die I think, than to accept it."

So which is it? Are we equal or do you support legalized discrimination? You don't get to have a bigot's viewpoint and claim to not be a bigot.

[QUOTE=Pracus]It has. It's only in the west (and maybe only in the US, I'm not familiar with the stats for other industrialized nations) that HIV is more prevalent in the gay population.

Well then that makes it a gay disease in the west, as you want to see it as

a 'straight' disease in developing countrys.

Worldwide it's an overwhelmingly straight disease. Those poor people in developing nations, god's wrath and destruction of those evil homos got them too. Or maybe he is punishing them for being poor.

This isnt about God really, he follows his own guidelines, which is mother

nature.

What I mean is, God didnt bring this disease down on us, our own lack of

morality, has done so, which even the poorest man can afford to have a set

of.

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This isnt about God really, he follows his own guidelines, which is mother

nature.

What I mean is, God didnt bring this disease down on us, our own lack of

morality, has done so, which even the poorest man can afford to have a set

of.

So anyone can have it, but its still a gay disease? Your contradictions are getting more and more obtuse and amusing.

That is a much more valid point. AIDS is, unfortunately, a disease of poverty.

Wrong, its a lack of morality, plenty of rich people have got aids.

Wrong, its a lack of morality, plenty of rich people have got aids.

And plenty of poor people who did nothing wrong have it. Plenty of innocent children who were born with it have it. Plenty of hemophiliacs who did nothing but get a blood transfusion have it. Plenty of people in car wrecks who got infected units of blood have it.

You really need help in the sympathy department.

Just to point out that the original poster did say that is it "regarded" to have jumped from simeons to humans. This is because of similarities between the Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV) and the Simeon Immunodeficiency Virus (SIV). Therefore, it is commonly held that the human disease resulted from either eating bush meat or from sex with animals. How it spread from there, no one knows. Anyways, its all just theory (which is my point htat I think the original poster knew).
Oh, yes, it is indeed theorised that it was transferred to humans from another primate. But this was the post I responded to:

And umm... AIDs is still regarded by the medical and scientific community as having originated in monkeys and vectored into the human population through some sick, desperate guys boffing said infected primates, then going home and doing their women. Happy now?
Though I have the greatest respect for Booslandia, I thought that warrented some correction. And I am indeed aware of similarities between SIV and HIV. There are nearly identical--SIV being notably closer in its nucleotide sequence to HIV-2 than HIV-1, however. The fact of the matter is we do not know where it originated, and since no-one knows when it came into the human population, it seems presumptive to just assume just how it jumped species like that, if at all.

Well then that makes it a gay disease in the west, as you want to see it as
a 'straight' disease in developing countrys.

I don't see it as a "gay" or "straight" disease. You and your compatriots are the one who forced the title war on this. I see HIV as a disease of human beings, a disease of ignorance, and a disease that has been fed by fear.

I see it is as something that all peoples of the world need to unite and fight. It's time to stop casting blame, stop saying its God's wraith, and start dealing with it and trying to find a cure, a treatment, and to prevent its spread.

Wrong, its a lack of morality, plenty of rich people have got aids.
Yes, that is true. However, it primarily affects the lower classes everywhere it strikes, which happens to be world-wide. It is considered a disease of poverty by those dealing with it. Not to mention the fact that richer people are less affected, because they can certainly afford the HAART better than the poor.

Though I have the greatest respect for Booslandia, I thought that warrented some correction. And I am indeed aware of similarities between SIV and HIV. There are nearly identical--SIV being notably closer in its nucleotide sequence to HIV-2 than HIV-1, however. The fact of the matter is we do not know where it originated, and since no-one knows when it came into the human population, it seems presumptive to just assume just how it jumped species like that, if at all.

I agree with you. However, I was pointing out that Booslandia would agree with you--s/he said it is "regarded" to have jumped from monkeys in one of two ways--bush meat, or as s/he said, by sex. And s/he is right--it is regarded to have come that way. However, I can see that we are arguing semantics and drifting from the main point.

[QUOTE=Pracus]Now term, I consider you to be fairly intelligent, even if you haven't developed.

Developed as in agreeing with your views only?


This post has changed that. Even a non-thinker with a moderately normal intelligence would see that you directly contradict yourself here.

"I'd accept gays as equals"

and

"As far as accepting gays as having equal marriage and family rights, I would rather die I think, than to accept it."

So which is it? Are we equal or do you support legalized discrimination? You don't get to have a bigot's viewpoint and claim to not be a bigot.

I said equal as in human beings, admittedly very confused ones.

And to repeat, I do not support the same marriage rights or family rights for

them, and I never will.

Ive had gay people look like they want to go for my throat over this, one was

even indeed restrained by his friends, and some who have agreed.

Equal as in, to a certain point, but the marriage rites and family thing, is

taboo for you.

Thats only for heterosexuals.

Though I have the greatest respect for Booslandia, I thought that warrented some correction. And I am indeed aware of similarities between SIV and HIV. There are nearly identical--SIV being notably closer in its nucleotide sequence to HIV-2 than HIV-1, however. The fact of the matter is we do not know where it originated, and since no-one knows when it came into the human population, it seems presumptive to just assume just how it jumped species like that, if at all.

I agree with you. However, I was pointing out that Booslandia would agree with you--s/he said it is "regarded" to have jumped from monkeys in one of two ways--bush meat, or as s/he said, by sex. And s/he is right--it is regarded to have come that way. However, I can see that we are arguing semantics and drifting from the main point.

Hi Bucksnort. *grin* No... I don't live anywhere near Texas. My BF's WoW clan has a very nice gay bartender from Texas in it (who coincidentally played AO with my gamegroup before WoW was released), but that's as close to the Big Belt-Buckle and Oil Barons State as we get. Dreadful climate. I'm flattered by your enthusiastic response to my angry rantings though. Hee hee! Is it true that a lot of the GBLT and alternative lifestyle peeps have migrated there? O.o

Now, for all you knuckleheads who are STILL barking about the evils of homosexuality AND the horrors of publicly displaying affection -- GET OVER IT!!!! Just take your damned meds FFS and get a grip.

AIDs...

AIDs is the plague of MY lifetime. It came into being when I was a school kid. It could have been stopped, or at worst slowed before I even graduated highschool. Even if, in the 70s, MOST Americans were amazingly promiscuous regardless of age, gender, class or sexual orientation. It STILL could have been dealt with so that it would not have become the pandemic it is today. But it wasn't. It wasn't. I was left to spread like WILDFIRE across not only the US, but Europe, Africa and most of the civilized world. Why? What CAUSED AIDs to become the pandemic plague we have now?

IGNORANCE. Ignorance and intolerance. The CDC knew of its existance and alerted state and national agencies about its existance and the dangers it presented. IGNORANCE, ARROGANCE and HATE caused AIDs to spread the way it did more than ANY other factor in the entire history of the disease. Because the government percieved it to be a gay disease (they USED to call it "Gay Cancer".. can you believe that shit?), they did NOTHING and approved NOTHING that would properly inform or alert the American public about the dangers and known causes of the disease and did a GREAT DEAL to hinder the efforts of doctors and scientists who WERE concerned about the disease to do more than track the vectoring and spread of it.

Smallminded, stupid, hypocritical braintrusts like our dear Gen stood back and LAUGHED while the statistics of transmission and fatality among gay men in America rose and the CDC scrambled to figure out what the hell it was and how the hell it was spreading. What they WEREN'T seeing was all the STRAIGHT people who were contracting the disease from IV drug use, blood transfusions, blood contact with infected persons and HETEROSEXUAL SEX!!!! They didn't see it because 1- They didn't WANT to see it. and 2- The CDC didn't yet know what to look for and both afflicted persons and their physicians didn't know what the defining symptoms were to report to the CDC.

Even more frightening was (and still is) the insidious nature of the virus itself, laying dormant inside its hosts, showing no symptoms and leaving its carriers utterly unaware that they were FATALLY and COMMUNICABLY ill. So all those unfortunate, "innocent" heteros were carrying this HORRIBLE disease and spreading it JUST LIKE THEIR HOMOSEXUAL countrymen. But you morons never learned any of that, did you? To you, it's just like in the 70s -- "Gay Plague". Another excuse for you to pick on an unprotected minority. Another sick effing joke you can snigger at while feeling selfrighteous for being part of the spread of the world's most widespread and ravaging modern disease.

Kiss my white gothic butt, you pathetic perpetrators of passive-agressive mass manslaughter. I hope you eventually come to realize how wrong and horrific your views and actions (or lack thereof) TRUELY are -- before some hetero person you love ends up with AIDs and passes it to you... AND whoever you're banging on the side while pretending to be so upstanding and moral.

And umm... AIDs is still regarded by the medical and scientific community as having originated in monkeys and vectored into the human population through some sick, desperate guys boffing said infected primates, then going home and doing their women. Happy now?

Sick. You're all mentally and morally diseased. Let them die... they deserve it... NO ONE deserves it. Not even you. Just sick. Get well soon, mofoes.

Booslandia...we can still be internet friends, but, damn, I'd sure like to meet you face to face. We would probably get along famously! We seem to have largely the same outlook on life in general.
And yes, a lot of queer folk have come to Texas, most notably Austin, and some parts of Dallas, Houston, and San Antonio.

I myself am a transplant here in Austin...having come here from Louisville, Kentucky. I'd lived in Austin for four years in the 80's...and moved back here in 2000. In my absence, I'd heard how austin had become a sort of "gay mecca" and I knew I had to come back and see for myself.

My 10-year high school reunion gave me just such an opportunity, as I graduated high school right here in austin. Needless to say, at my own reunion, I got UNANIMOUSLY voted as "Most Changed." Big fuckin' surprise, tee hee!

But, my experiences on that trip were enough to assure me that it was relatively true, Austin HAD, in my absence, become a gay mecca of sorts, and so I took a second job, scrimped and saved...and a year later, I'd moved back to Austin, with a job lined up and three months' salary in the bank as a hedge against the difficulties of starting out.

My last vacation from my job in Louisville had been very much a working vacation for me...I'd moved most of my stuff down to Texas, already, and put it in storage. I spent that vacation doing the interviews I'd lined up from back in Louisville, looking for an apartment, and getting phone and electric service established.

A week later, I was on my way back to Louisville, with an apartment standing ready for me, with phone and electric service already established, and a job waiting for me. A week after that, I left Louisville for good.

One small note: I did a research paper on AIDS when I was in high school. This was in 1988. I got a zero on it, because I suggested that two gay men who were uninfected, could do whatever they wished with one another, so long as they remained manogamous, didn't recieve tainted blood products, or shoot up IV drugs...and they would never come down with HIV.

That was the conclusion of my paper. I remember it exactly. My closing summation of my paper: "Based on all the research I have been able to gather, assimilate, and apply to this writing, I conclude that homosexuality does not, in and of itself, cause AIDS. I further conclude that two manogamous gay men who did not engage in other risk behaviors (sharing needles with IV drug users, or receiving tainted blood products) could engage in whatever activity they wish with one another, and neither would ever contract HIV or AIDS."
I got a big, fat zero on that paper because, of course, everyone back then still "KNEW" AIDS was gay cancer, and caused by gay sex...and was, of course a "gay disease" and God's rightful judgement against those wicked, evil, DISGUSTING homosexuals. Oh, it was common knowledge. I refuted it, of course, and backed up my assertions with plenty of research, but I got a zero, because, according to my teacher, "I'd arrived at a fallacious conclusion." I'm betting he never even read the actual research I'd used and cited, in the preparation of my research paper. Because it countered what he wanted to believe. So I got a zero. I saved that one for posterity purposes...and it is still around, somewhere...damned if I know where, anymore, but I know it is in with all my old papers and shit.

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Developed as in agreeing with your views only?



Developed as in the ability to use it rationally, logically, and critically. You have shown none of those skills.


I said equal as in human beings, admittedly very confused ones.

And to repeat, I do not support the same marriage rights or family rights for

them, and I never will.


Then you do not in fact believe that we are equal as human beings. Equality means just that--equal in all ways. The same rights, the same rules, the same responsibiltiies. You do not believe in that, so you do not believe in equality.


Equal as in, to a certain point, but the marriage rites and family thing, is

taboo for you.

Thats only for heterosexuals.

So some are more equal than others? Might I suggest dictionary.com?

It has. It's only in the west (and maybe only in the US, I'm not familiar with the stats for other industrialized nations) that HIV is more prevalent in the gay population. Worldwide it's an overwhelmingly straight disease. Those poor people in developing nations, god's wrath and destruction of those evil homos got them too. Or maybe he is punishing them for being poor.

Of course. Didn't you know it's your own fault if you are poor, and you deserve whatever happens to you if you are poor?

However, I can see that we are arguing semantics and drifting from the main point.
Yes. I'm quite good at unintentionally digressing like that...

Yes. I'm quite good at unintentionally digressing like that...

It's one of my special gifts as well so no harm done! :)

Not pigs, just able to take advantage of the fact that casual sex with

another man, isnt going to lead to complications such as pregnancy, the

possibility of which, plays a huge part in relationships between men and

women.

I dont see what gay equality has to do with it, as far as human beings go, Id

accept gays as equal, but not one of the club so to speak, just part of

a different club that plays another game,.

As far as accepting gays as having

equal marriage and family rights, I would rather die I think, than to accept it.

It's not for you.

Great King Farouk Terminalia has spoken. Equality isn't for us folk. Guess we oughta just give up the struggle, eh, my GLBT brother and sisters? :rolleyes:

Not pigs, just able to take advantage of the fact that casual sex with

another man, isnt going to lead to complications such as pregnancy, the

possibility of which, plays a huge part in relationships between men and

women.

I dont see what gay equality has to do with it, as far as human beings go, Id

accept gays as equal, but not one of the club so to speak, just part of

a different club that plays another game,.

As far as accepting gays as having

equal marriage and family rights, I would rather die I think, than to accept it.

It's not for you.

Well, Terminalia...hate to tell you, sooner or later, it will happen. So do me a favor...when you die...can you come back, briefly, and just tell us all if there really is a Heaven and a Hell? Then go back to where it is you came from. I won't advance my own opinions on where that place might be.

You know, I have read my bible, and I have my share of sins. I read how god destroyed the sodimites. but, the way I see it is, let trhem get married, I mean some people don't eat meat, but that doesn't mean that I want to force them to partake of a cow. and My aunt who is vegitarian doesn't mind if I eat meat. I don't mind if she likes only salad. Even though I personaly don't approve of gay encounters, :fluffle: but I beleive that even if it is a sin there should be choice, Porn is wrong, but I would rather have the choice to go out and buy a playboy or choose not to, if it is legal people sould choose, as for the teaching, well :sniper: I dunno, I have mixed feelings on this. I beleive it should not be taught at an early age, but later like high school, late Junior high.

If you allow them to get married you're then condoning what they do as acceptible(sic). If you're looking at this in a religious manner, which you are, then homosexuality is a grave mortal sin which will cost its offenders an eternity in hell. But here on earth it is our job to stand for what's right - and if you, as an arguing (sic) person in this thread, say that you stand for religion then in no way can you allow thme to be married. Because again, you would be saying it's morally right. And it clearly is not.

If you allow them to get married you're then condoning what they do as acceptible(sic). If you're looking at this in a religious manner, which you are, then homosexuality is a grave mortal sin which will cost its offenders an eternity in hell. But here on earth it is our job to stand for what's right - and if you, as an arguing (sic) person in this thread, say that you stand for religion then in no way can you allow thme to be married. Because again, you would be saying it's morally right. And it clearly is not.

Actually its not so clear. Our translations of the Bible suck. For instance, the word used in the Genesis account of Sodom and Gomorrah that is translated "to know" (as in the men asked Lott to send out the angels so that they might "know" them) or "to rape" actually literally only means "to know." In the sense that you know someone or something. Its used like twenty other times in the Bible and NEVER does it mean "to know in the carnal sense". But you sure enough see it translated that way. I wonder why.

Now term, I consider you to be fairly intelligent, even if you haven't developed. This post has changed that. Even a non-thinker with a moderately normal intelligence would see that you directly contradict yourself here.

"I'd accept gays as equals"

and

"As far as accepting gays as having equal marriage and family rights, I would rather die I think, than to accept it."

So which is it? Are we equal or do you support legalized discrimination? You don't get to have a bigot's viewpoint and claim to not be a bigot.

Thanks for calling him out, Pracus.
Again, one cannot insult a pig by merely calling it a pig. And I don't care how much lipstick you put on the pig, it is still a pig. And Terminalia, in my not-so-humble opinion, is still a bigot.

If you allow them to get married you're then condoning what they do as acceptible(sic). If you're looking at this in a religious manner, which you are, then homosexuality is a grave mortal sin which will cost its offenders an eternity in hell. But here on earth it is our job to stand for what's right - and if you, as an arguing (sic) person in this thread, say that you stand for religion then in no way can you allow thme to be married. Because again, you would be saying it's morally right. And it clearly is not.

Perhaps you'll show me, then, where Jesus speaks against such a thing - you know, that allowing your secular government to recognize a marriage of people not of your faith is wrong. A passage in which Jesus advocates forcing ones' beliefs on others will also do.

[QUOTE]

Developed as in agreeing with your views only?




I said equal as in human beings, admittedly very confused ones.

And to repeat, I do not support the same marriage rights or family rights for

them, and I never will.

Ive had gay people look like they want to go for my throat over this, one was

even indeed restrained by his friends, and some who have agreed.

Equal as in, to a certain point, but the marriage rites and family thing, is

taboo for you.

Thats only for heterosexuals.

And the Great King Farouk Terminalia has spoken. We should pack it in, my brothers and sisters. :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=Bucksnort]Actually, there's a lot more to it than that. Try watching The Discovery Channel sometime, or do some research on Transgenderism, transsexualism, and Kleinfelter Syndrome.

No thanks.


Conservative Christian = a person who thinks I am a freak, at best...and ought to be killed, at worst...at the very least, they think I ought to be denied my civil rights and human dignity, for, in their eyes, I no longer am human.

I dont think your a freak.

Freaks molest kids, animals, burn stuff, rape and murder people

etc


This is how I now percieve "conservative Christians." And they did it to themselves, so, if you don't like my perception, then work to change your group into more tolerant, loving members of society and my opinion might change...but, as it stands now, my opinion holds.

Do you really think all those people who didnt accept you were all

conservative Christians?

Ive seen your type get help from Church institutions, just the same as

anyone else.


I, on the other hand, am a full-tilt radical lefty, pinko, commie, call me what you will liberal. I believe that anyone should do whatever they want, so long as it does not hurt others, and is between consenting parties of legal age to consent...and, of course, full mental capacity to consent.

Fine, but dont expect everyone to like it.


And, sorry...you don't have a right to not be grossed out, offended, or intimidated. That does not constitute "hurting" you.

So now I dont even have the right, in your eyes anyway, to feel sickened,

the gut feelings dont lie but, maybe you should stop and think, that not

everyone feels the same way about it, as you do, what right do you have to

enforce on them, how they should feel?


you are not being deprived of any of your basic civil liberties, or human dignities...nor are you being deprived of life, limb, or property without due course of law.

But we are, if the majority of society wishes, which they do, not to be

exposed to homosexuality in public, then its the governments responsibility to

enforce it.

Personally, I dont look, but if I see others being offended by a lewd act, not

necessarily gay, then I will deal with the offender(s)

I have got no time for offensive people.


So you don't wanna see it? Get over it, then, and look the other way. That's what I do. God gave us a neck that swivels for a reason, you know, mate. God gave us eyelids for a reason, too.

See above :rolleyes:


And God also gave us hands with which to cover our poor defenseless children's eyes, and prevent them from seeing something we don't want them to.

lol OMG wont someone think of the children!

We shouldnt have to do that.


In a nutshell...grow up, if you think that anyone should be not allowed to show affection for the person they love, in apublic place...grow up. So long, of course, as it doesn't cross the line between simply showing affection, and literally making out.

Get off your soapbox, and grow up yourself.

So not everyones going to agree what you.

Get used to it.



I see nothing wrong with a couple holding hands, or giving one another a quick kiss on the cheek, or even the lips, in public. When they start playing tonsil hockey, and groping each other's body parts in public, then they are out of line, I don't care if they are hetero or homo, they are over the line at that point. But if they aren't doing that stuff, then what's the big freaking deal?

Guys kissing ...bleech... and yes I know the Europeans have been doing it on

the cheek for ages, but thats a lot different.


As to the rest...yes, I am pretty much a loner...by choice. I have a rather small circle of friends and acquaintances, and that is just about it. I would truly rather be alone, than risk getting hurt. I'm not sure what that says about my own psychological makeup, but, I get along with myself, and it doesn't bother me overmuch, to go days on end without even seeing or speaking to, another human being.

I relate to most of that.

[QUOTE=Pracus]Developed as in the ability to use it rationally, logically, and critically. You have shown none of those skills.


I have actually.

Ive been very critical.

Then you do not in fact believe that we are equal as human beings. Equality means just that--equal in all ways. The same rights, the same rules, the same responsibiltiies. You do not believe in that, so you do not believe in equality.

Equality does not cover everything, different courses for different horses.

Personally, I dont look, but if I see others being offended by a lewd act, not

necessarily gay, then I will deal with the offender(s)

I have got no time for offensive people.


How, precisely, do you deal with them? I find you offensive, and would like some tips.

I have actually.
Ive been very critical.

Only of people you think are mindless PC drones. Why don't you go look critical thought up, along with equal.


Equality does not cover everything, different courses for different horses.

If two things are being treate dfferently for no reason, they are not in fact, equal. Either we are equal as humans and deserve the right to marry the person we love and to get the same rights that go with that as others, or we are not. Which is it? Pick one.

[QUOTE=Bucksnort]Well, Terminalia...hate to tell you, sooner or later, it will happen.

Maybe, but I dont think it will be around for long, especially if its practice

becomes widespread.

Someone or some people will end it

So do me a favor...when you die...can you come back, briefly, and just tell us all if there really is a Heaven and a Hell? Then go back to where it is you came from. I won't advance my own opinions on where that place might be.

I'll try, but I think I would be wasting my time.

Maybe, but I dont think it will be around for long, especially if its practice
becomes widespread.

Someone or some people will end it


Strange, that isn't what has happened in the nations where it is legal. Canada, Spain, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Belgium, The Netherlands (I'm pretty sure I have the list right) are still doing pretty damned well as nations. No one has ended it there. Indeed, they are expanding the rights in many of those nations and their marriage rates are doing excellently well.

[QUOTE=Tempers]How, precisely, do you deal with them?

Read what Ive already put up.

I find you offensive, and would like some tips.

Don't read or respond to my posts?

Does that help you?

I was walking through the mall today, just finishing up a little bit of late christmas shopping. The mall was packed with people, individuals buying for their families and couples searching for gifts together. The line for the kids to take a picture with Santa Claus was almost out the door. There was a gay couple holding hands and window shopping at rings, then they continued on and kissed each other. RIGHT IN FRONT OF A LINE FULL OF KIDS GOING TO SEE SANTA.

As I passed by the line, I heard a boy go "Why did those two men kiss daddy?", I felt sorry for the dad that had to answer that question. How are you supposed to explain that?

And that's only the start, kids copy what they see, next thing you know they will be trying to COPY that!!

If Gay Marriage isn't banned, next thing you know they will be having to teach this shit to our kids in school!!

Hear hear. Glad to see that some people still have some good 'ol fashioned morals. God created Adam and Eve, not "Adam and Steve". The last thing this modern society with all of their portable DVD's players and cell phones and Mtv's is young kids exposed to homosexuality. Figure it out in college like the rest of us, not while you're going to see Santa and are in the midst of your innocent childhood, where sexuality has no place.

If two things are being treate dfferently for no reason, they are not in fact, equal. Either we are equal as humans and deserve the right to marry the person we love and to get the same rights that go with that as others, or we are not. Which is it? Pick one.

I've already covered this, gays are not meant to be married, kids etc, how

does the absense of something you are simply not meant for, make you any

less human?

[QUOTE]

Read what Ive already put up.

Don't read or respond to my posts?

Does that help you?

I haven't, as a matter of fact, read all of your posts, since I came into this debate a little late and didn't have the chance to read everything that had been said before I came. Anyhow, my asking for advice was rather sarcastic; I'm not really looking for any since I have perfectly well-developed ways to "deal with" people like you.

Hear hear. Glad to see that some people still have some good 'ol fashioned morals. God created Adam and Eve, not "Adam and Steve". The last thing this modern society with all of their portable DVD's players and cell phones and Mtv's is young kids exposed to homosexuality. Figure it out in college like the rest of us, not while you're going to see Santa and are in the midst of your innocent childhood, where sexuality has no place.

Bravo, well said.

Actually, there's a lot more to it than that. Try watching The Discovery Channel sometime, or do some research on Transgenderism, transsexualism, and Kleinfelter Syndrome.

No thanks.
So you're not even willing to try to learn? That's pretty lamentable, in my eyes.

As to the rest...yes, I am pretty much a loner...by choice. I have a rather small circle of friends and acquaintances, and that is just about it. I would truly rather be alone, than risk getting hurt. I'm not sure what that says about my own psychological makeup, but, I get along with myself, and it doesn't bother me overmuch, to go days on end without even seeing or speaking to, another human being.
I used to be like that, and still am, to a great extent. But I am trying to change that very hard right now. I've made incredible progress in just a few months, in my opinion. You might have borderline Asperger's syndrome (ASD), which I have been diagnosed with, or maybe even autism. It's even possible that you have a slight form of sociopathy, now known as antisocial personality disorder (APD). Have you seen a psychologist or psychiatrist about that? I understand why you wouldn't want to, as it doesn't really seem like a problem to yourself when you're is like that, or even if it is you don't really care. At least that's how I was. But my mother forced me to visit the psychologists and from there to psychiatrists, and I am much happier than I was before, and I still have quite a ways to go. I am, for the first time, discovering that there's something outside of academia, and I'm trying to grab it for myself while I have the chance, now that I recognise that getting out of my hermetic behaviour. However, I am a sophmore in high school, and it might not be nearly as easy for you if you're out of school. Anyways, that's my amateur advice.

Hear hear. Glad to see that some people still have some good 'ol fashioned morals. God created Adam and Eve, not "Adam and Steve". The last thing this modern society with all of their portable DVD's players and cell phones and Mtv's is young kids exposed to homosexuality. Figure it out in college like the rest of us, not while you're going to see Santa and are in the midst of your innocent childhood, where sexuality has no place.

So if sexuality has no place in childhood, I suppose that you would agree that heterosexuals should not be kissing anywhere that children might see them? Afterall, they shouldn't be having straight sex either.

I've already covered this, gays are not meant to be married, kids etc, how

does the absense of something you are simply not meant for, make you any

less human?

You have never given a reason as to why we are not meant for it.

I haven't, as a matter of fact, read all of your posts, since I came into this debate a little late and didn't have the chance to read everything that had been said before I came. Anyhow, my asking for advice was rather sarcastic; I'm not really looking for any since I have perfectly well-developed ways to "deal with" people like you.

Really, is slander one of them?

Oh the petty arguments of a hateful heart :mad: (on both sides of the spectrum!) One who hates homosexuals for the situations they're in, and another who hates the "religious right" :mad: for their intolerance of homosexuals; while at the same time the "right-haters" are intolerant of the right's opinion. And you see it's a bloody cycle that never ends...A question now....How many people who responded are actually homosexuals or really know (not just aqcuaintance) someone who is a homosexual?? :confused: Well I have had a chance to speak with many homosexual men and one thing I can say from experience is that your present culture is lying to you...to all of us! The media/films/television portray homosexuality and homosexuals as the following :always joyous,happy(hence the word gay),fun-loving people who are fighting to be accepted for "how God made me" and to be loved for "who they are". And this my friends is a lie! :eek: The average homosexual, the run-o'-the-mill homosexual you meet on the street, in malls etc., the homosexual I've always found in conversations with them is the following: Pleading for help! Confused, and tortured over the attractions they feel even though they wish they did'nt feel them. Let me tell you something ' Most homosexuals are straighter than any straight man' Because they feel an attraction to men does not in any way diminsh they're attraction to women any more than someone who is into animals is still into the opposite sex! Homosexuality is just another 'degree' of perversion,just as bestiality and pornography! Granted they are on different levels. I'll end with this, my last conversation with a homosexual man lead him to confess to me the following(with permission):"Every time I sleep with a man, I cry afterwards..for hours from shame, because I know it's so wrong"! The answer is not to hate or discriminate but to get the facts and deal with them.

Hoo, boy. I've heard this argument before. Those poor self-hating homosexuals!

Let me tell you that the only reason why this happens is because of people like you, who pity them and consider homosexuality perverted. Seriously, I don't know how to convince someone like you otherwise, but perversion is defined by taboo, and taboo has -repeatedly- been proven to be non-intrinsic and changeable.

You started out with a good, sane, valuable post, but then you got into an argument that just annoys the hell out of me. Sorry, but I can't stand to see someone stand up for what's wrong because of a brainwashed minority.

And for the record, no, we're not all happy-go-lucky shallow-souled hedonists. Certainly you're right that this is a lie. I personally can't believe that this stereotype has gone unprotested.

Heheheh!

And so the wise and compassionate Saint Bootay spake:
"Terminalia, thou art a shytehead. Please report to your nearest institution of higher learning and recieve thy healing in Ethics and Logic classes."

And the people rejoiced.

Gnos, my info on the genesis of the HIV might be a little dated. The common concensus in the medical community was they thought it was the SIV only for humans. At least that's what they quoted often in the medical journals a while back. So they've stopped saying what amounts to "damn that evuhl monkey-butt" now and have gone back to being baffled?

And in Booslandia, digression is a fine artform.

Bucksnort, of COURSE we can be e-friends. I have a number of friends in Europe like that. Distance is no longer an issue in bonds of affection. Blessed is the internet. Yay.

Gay mecca? *sniff sniff* Well it had to move somewhere after the yuppies moved in and drove the happy, shiney folk out of San Fransico. But why oh why Texas? That's where meat, oil, rednecks and evil dictators come from. What rightminded, fun and freespirited person would choose to live there? I can understand it not gathering down in Florida... after all, that's the home of the Brother of the Beast... but... but... Texas?

Pracus, stop that. I'm going to start liking you.

Mungeria... dammit, why do you have to be such a polite, kinda compassionate bigot? How am I supposed to find it in my heart to smite you for the sin of disliking people based on sexual preference if you're not an asshole about it? Ugh!

Dastaria, thank you for being a REAL Christian. Too little too late on the education thing, but still a very valiant and brave staement of tolerance and real Christian values. Airkisses for you and hope God rewards you with lots of children and the means with which to keep them all happy, healthy and well-raised. Because OMGz we need more of you.

Really, is slander one of them?

It's only slander when there is no basis for it. No one has slandered you--we have a basis for calling you a bigot and a homophobe (and a moron for that matter).

[QUOTE=Gnostikos]So you're not even willing to try to learn? That's pretty lamentable, in my eyes.

What good could it possibly do for me?

Pracus, stop that. I'm going to start liking you.


You mean you don't already?!? Dammit, now I'm going to have to put on more of my magical faerie dust that makes every gay man I meet want to jump in bed with my selfish, hedonistic, nymphomaniacal self!

Strange, that isn't what has happened in the nations where it is legal. Canada, Spain, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Belgium, The Netherlands (I'm pretty sure I have the list right) are still doing pretty damned well as nations. No one has ended it there. Indeed, they are expanding the rights in many of those nations and their marriage rates are doing excellently well.

Wrong, check those great marriage rates again, especially Sweden.

Dont get too cocky yet, if it was still a sucess after a few centurys, then

you could have a valid reason to start crowing, but I think you have well and

truly jumped the gun here.

Wrong, check those great marriage rates again, especially Sweden.

Dont get too cocky yet, if it was still a sucess after a few centurys, then

you could have a valid reason to start crowing, but I think you have well and

truly jumped the gun here.


We've already debunked your Swedish marriage rate arguement on another thread. I'm not rehashing it again. However, here is a source: http://www.logcabin.org/logcabin/Articles_52004.html

It's only slander when there is no basis for it. No one has slandered you--we have a basis for calling you a bigot and a homophobe (and a moron for that matter).

You have no basis, your only practicing slander, and I think I am abit more

intelligent than you Pracus, and well ahead of a few others on here at the

moment.

It hurts having to respond to them.

Really, is slander one of them?

When I think something calls for it, yes.

You have no basis, your only practicing slander, and I think I am abit more

intelligent than you Pracus, and well ahead of a few others on here at the

moment.

It hurts having to respond to them.

Funny, that's just what I think about you. I didn't feel the need to express it until now though--I really think that it shows for itself who is winning the battle of wits.

And we have a basis. You hold beliefs that treat humans as second class citizens because of something beyond their control. You hold said beliefs for no logical reason that you have been able to present. Present one and I'll apologize. Until then what we've said stands--you are a bigot and a homophobe.

[QUOTE]

No thanks.


I dont think your a freak.

Freaks molest kids, animals, burn stuff, rape and murder people

etc


Do you really think all those people who didnt accept you were all
conservative Christians?

Ive seen your type get help from Church institutions, just the same as
anyone else.

Fine, but dont expect everyone to like it.

So now I dont even have the right, in your eyes anyway, to feel sickened,
the gut feelings dont lie but, maybe you should stop and think, that not
everyone feels the same way about it, as you do, what right do you have to
enforce on them, how they should feel?

But we are, if the majority of society wishes, which they do, not to be
exposed to homosexuality in public, then its the governments responsibility to
enforce it.

Personally, I dont look, but if I see others being offended by a lewd act, not
necessarily gay, then I will deal with the offender(s)

I have got no time for offensive people.

lol OMG wont someone think of the children!
We shouldnt have to do that.

Get off your soapbox, and grow up yourself.
So not everyones going to agree what you.
Get used to it.

Guys kissing ...bleech... and yes I know the Europeans have been doing it on
the cheek for ages, but thats a lot different.

I relate to most of that.

I don't know why I bother to keep responding to you, since you are obviously a twerp. You absolutely refuse to even consider the possibility that you just might not be 100% correct in all things.

I offer you a chance to discover for yourself, about my condition, since you seem to be asking so many questions about it...and you respond "no thanks." Why? Are you afraid of what you might discover? That it might cause you to have to reconsider your views? To let go of your oh-so-comfortable bigotry and hatred?

And, yes...you do think I'm a freak. You may say you don't think that, but your other words belie your claims. You do think I'm a freak, and not worthy of the same rights and dignity accorded to others.

Yes. Most people who do not accept me come right out and state that it is because of their religious/political views that they do not accept me. And then, of course, offer to "pray for me," as if I needed "help" from them...since, of course, they are so much a superior being than I am,,,because, of course, they are all "normal" and stuff. so they are better than me, and see fit to "pray for me." Pray for WHAT? That I'll "be normal" like you, so that I don't gross you out? Well, what exemplary Christian charity! I think I just wet my pants!

My type? What exactly is, "my type," in your narrow worldview?

I don't expect ANYONE to like it, by the way. I don't recall asking anyone to like, or approve, of what I am, or anything I have done. However, while you have the right not to like me, or what I have done...you have no right to impose social and economic sanctions on me just because you don't like who I am, or what I represent. I've done nothing illegal.

you have every right to feel sickened. Feeling sickened, however, is NOT an infringement on your rights thus that you may deny others THEIR rights to display mild affection for one another in public. You do NOT have the right to expect the world to bow down and kiss your ass, just because YOU (gasp) are offended or sickened, by the actions of another person. Again, mate, God gave us a neck that swivels for a reason. If someone is doing something that grosses you out, don't look.

And what right do YOU have, to enforce on others...what THEY should feel...or how they should express those feelings? so long as what they are doing isn't illegal, you have no right.

Ah...so the government should only intervene when it suits YOUR purposes, eh? NOW I understand.

And, exactly how will you deal with the offenders? I can tell you if you try to "deal with me" as an offender, just because I am doing something perfectly legal, that you don't like, you're gonna get a confrontation, pal. And a hospital charges plenty of money to extract a size twelve wide high heel from someone's ass!

I don't have time for offensive people either...so this will be my final response to you, you've made my Ignore list.

What? You shouldn't have to BE A PARENT?? You shouldn't have to cover your children's eyes, if they might see something you don't want them to? Oh, right, sorry, I forgot, King Farouk, that the whole world is supposed to bow down and kiss your ass...and to know in advance, exactly what is going to offend you, and then, of course, refrain from doing such things, because, after all, you are the Almighty King Farouk...and your sensibilities are more important than anyone else's rights. I understand perfectly now. Thanks for clearing that up.

In short, sir, you are, in my opinion, an ignorant twerp. Such can be safely asserted, based upon the inane posts you have made regarding this subject.

I, therefore, am using my swiveling neck to look away from you. Welcome to my list.

You mean you don't already?!? Dammit, now I'm going to have to put on more of my magical faerie dust that makes every gay man I meet want to jump in bed with my selfish, hedonistic, nymphomaniacal self!

Hee hee! Okay okay, stop it before you guys turn me into some freaky goth version of the modern fag hag already! Don't I have enough gay friends yet??? Why gawd why?

Booslandia is ruled by the not-so-omnipotent, not-always-benevolent, semi-enlightened Saint Bootay. Who is a chixxor. LOL! No wonder the faerie dust wasn't working. I'm not gay enough. *cries*

We've already debunked your Swedish marriage rate arguement on another thread. I'm not rehashing it again. However, here is a source: http://www.logcabin.org/logcabin/Articles_52004.html

Sounds like something out of Goebles, its nothing but Gay propaganda.

The truth is divorce among hetero sexuals everywhere, is rising rapidly, as it

has since the early seventies.

you know, i dont paticualry like gay people, and i guess i am a bit, homophobic, but that doesnt mean they shouldnt have rights like everyone else. it just means im wierd.

You know, one of the things I love about debates that include several people is how it draws people together... the enemy of my enemy is my friend, and sometimes seriously winds up being a good friend of mine.

You have no basis, your only practicing slander, and I think I am abit more

intelligent than you Pracus, and well ahead of a few others on here at the

moment.

It hurts having to respond to them.
Poor, poor baby. You are, of course, aware that pride is on of the seven deadly sins? If you actually had some basis for your claim of superior intelligence, perhaps I wouldn't be smirking right now. Not to mention that it is really impossible to compare intelligence in that way. Howard Gardner really is on to something with his "theory" of multiple intelligences. And IQ is a bunch of bullsh*t. I have no clue what mine is, but I would put no faith in it if I did. And I don't for anyone.

By the by, to be technical, it's libel when it's written. Slander is oral.

Hee hee! Okay okay, stop it before you guys turn me into some freaky goth version of the modern fag hag already! Don't I have enough gay friends yet??? Why gawd why?

Booslandia is ruled by the not-so-omnipotent, not-always-benevolent, semi-enlightened Saint Bootay. Who is a chixxor. LOL! No wonder the faerie dust wasn't working. I'm not gay enough. *cries*

As Sovereign Emperor of the Elven Land of Pracus, I grant thee an honorary Y chromosome, complete with your own gay gene.

May it serve you well.

Sounds like something out of Goebles, its nothing but Gay propaganda.

The truth is divorce among hetero sexuals everywhere, is rising rapidly, as it

has since the early seventies.


So its not gay's fault that hetero marriage is debunk. Its straight people's. And its not gay propaganda. . . its written by a PhD who did research that you can confirm for heaven's sake. Or didn't you read the byline?

No, PhD does not automatically equal truth, but citing statistics does lend credence. Can you provide an alternative? Or hell, can you not change your mind on ancilliary details every two seconds? Or hell, could you make a post without the damned double spaces that makes you so hard to quote and follow?

Heheheh!

And so the wise and compassionate Saint Bootay spake:
"Terminalia, thou art a shytehead. Please report to your nearest institution of higher learning and recieve thy healing in Ethics and Logic classes."

And the people rejoiced.

Gnos, my info on the genesis of the HIV might be a little dated. The common concensus in the medical community was they thought it was the SIV only for humans. At least that's what they quoted often in the medical journals a while back. So they've stopped saying what amounts to "damn that evuhl monkey-butt" now and have gone back to being baffled?

And in Booslandia, digression is a fine artform.

Bucksnort, of COURSE we can be e-friends. I have a number of friends in Europe like that. Distance is no longer an issue in bonds of affection. Blessed is the internet. Yay.

Gay mecca? *sniff sniff* Well it had to move somewhere after the yuppies moved in and drove the happy, shiney folk out of San Fransico. But why oh why Texas? That's where meat, oil, rednecks and evil dictators come from. What rightminded, fun and freespirited person would choose to live there? I can understand it not gathering down in Florida... after all, that's the home of the Brother of the Beast... but... but... Texas?

Pracus, stop that. I'm going to start liking you.

Mungeria... dammit, why do you have to be such a polite, kinda compassionate bigot? How am I supposed to find it in my heart to smite you for the sin of disliking people based on sexual preference if you're not an asshole about it? Ugh!

Dastaria, thank you for being a REAL Christian. Too little too late on the education thing, but still a very valiant and brave staement of tolerance and real Christian values. Airkisses for you and hope God rewards you with lots of children and the means with which to keep them all happy, healthy and well-raised. Because OMGz we need more of you.


Well, see...Austin is very different from the rest of Texas. Case in point...Austin voted 80-20 for Kerry. Travis County, as a whole, voted 70-30 for Kerry.
Most Texans probably wish Austin would secede from Texas.

Well, see...Austin is very different from the rest of Texas. Case in point...Austin voted 80-20 for Kerry. Travis County, as a whole, voted 70-30 for Kerry.
Most Texans probably wish Austin would secede from Texas.
And they could technically do that, could they not? I believe that Texas can legally be split into five individual states, if I recall. Though they're never gonna.

And, by the by Bucksnort, I suggest you look at my earlier post, #941, if you missed it.

So you're not even willing to try to learn? That's pretty lamentable, in my eyes.



What good could it possibly do for me?

Oh, I dunno. Maybe make you into a more sensitive, tolerant, loving...and educated individual. you seemed to be asking me a number of questions about my condition, and I took that as a sincere, honest attempt to learn more, so I invited you to research it for yourself, if you really were that interested.

It seems you were probably only asking me the questions so you could snicker privately at my answers. Like the biggest, most boorish idiot I have ever encountered, you were asking the questions, not with any desire to learn and understand...but rather to ridicule and demean.

This is simple really. Being gay is wrong. For the religious group, the bible says pretty clear that being gay is a Huge sin. For the patriotic, try checking documents written by our FOUNDING FATHERS! And as to covering everything else, it's pointless! A big reason for living is to reproduce and keep our species going. The more gays there are, the more a chance that a child that could cure cancer. But no, that child's life eds with this penis-to-penis CRRAP

You have no basis, your only practicing slander, and I think I am abit more

intelligent than you Pracus, and well ahead of a few others on here at the

moment.

It hurts having to respond to them.

Well, based upon the various postings of Pracus and yourself, Terminalia, I'd have to disagree that you were more intelligent. And it hurts us to have to listen to such an ignorant individual as yourself. and before you go crying flame, realize that I use the word "ignorant" in it's literal meaning...UNINFORMED. Contrary to many Americans beliefs, "ignorant" is not a synonym of "stupid." Ignorance CAN be cured. Stupidity can't.

And, if you are ignorant BY CHOICE...because you refuse to become informed...well, then, sir, you are crossing that boundary between what is "ignorant" and what is "stupid." i'll leave you to figure out the rest.

Poor, poor baby. You are, of course, aware that pride is on of the seven deadly sins? If you actually had some basis for your claim of superior intelligence, perhaps I wouldn't be smirking right now. Not to mention that it is really impossible to compare intelligence in that way. Howard Gardner really is on to something with his "theory" of multiple intelligences. And IQ is a bunch of bullsh*t. I have no clue what mine is, but I would put no faith in it if I did. And I don't for anyone.

By the by, to be technical, it's libel when it's written. Slander is oral.

Ut-oh. Better not speak about anything "oral." It might offend King Farouk. :rolleyes:

Uh, I mean the more gays there aren't .........

I don't know why I bother to keep responding to you, since you are obviously a twerp. You absolutely refuse to even consider the possibility that you just might not be 100% correct in all things.
I offer you a chance to discover for yourself, about my condition, since you seem to be asking so many questions about it...and you respond "no thanks." Why? Are you afraid of what you might discover? That it might cause you to have to reconsider your views? To let go of your oh-so-comfortable bigotry and hatred?
And, yes...you do think I'm a freak. You may say you don't think that, but your other words belie your claims. You do think I'm a freak, and not worthy of the same rights and dignity accorded to others.
Yes. Most people who do not accept me come right out and state that it is because of their religious/political views that they do not accept me. And then, of course, offer to "pray for me," as if I needed "help" from them...since, of course, they are so much a superior being than I am,,,because, of course, they are all "normal" and stuff. so they are better than me, and see fit to "pray for me." Pray for WHAT? That I'll "be normal" like you, so that I don't gross you out? Well, what exemplary Christian charity! I think I just wet my pants!
My type? What exactly is, "my type," in your narrow worldview?
I don't expect ANYONE to like it, by the way. I don't recall asking anyone to like, or approve, of what I am, or anything I have done. However, while you have the right not to like me, or what I have done...you have no right to impose social and economic sanctions on me just because you don't like who I am, or what I represent. I've done nothing illegal.
you have every right to feel sickened. Feeling sickened, however, is NOT an infringement on your rights thus that you may deny others THEIR rights to display mild affection for one another in public. You do NOT have the right to expect the world to bow down and kiss your ass, just because YOU (gasp) are offended or sickened, by the actions of another person. Again, mate, God gave us a neck that swivels for a reason. If someone is doing something that grosses you out, don't look.
And what right do YOU have, to enforce on others...what THEY should feel...or how they should express those feelings? so long as what they are doing isn't illegal, you have no right.
Ah...so the government should only intervene when it suits YOUR purposes, eh? NOW I understand.
And, exactly how will you deal with the offenders? I can tell you if you try to "deal with me" as an offender, just because I am doing something perfectly legal, that you don't like, you're gonna get a confrontation, pal. And a hospital charges plenty of money to extract a size twelve wide high heel from someone's ass!
I don't have time for offensive people either...so this will be my final response to you, you've made my Ignore list.
What? You shouldn't have to BE A PARENT?? You shouldn't have to cover your children's eyes, if they might see something you don't want them to? Oh, right, sorry, I forgot, King Farouk, that the whole world is supposed to bow down and kiss your ass...and to know in advance, exactly what is going to offend you, and then, of course, refrain from doing such things, because, after all, you are the Almighty King Farouk...and your sensibilities are more important than anyone else's rights. I understand perfectly now. Thanks for clearing that up.
In short, sir, you are, in my opinion, an ignorant twerp. Such can be safely asserted, based upon the inane posts you have made regarding this subject.
I, therefore, am using my swiveling neck to look away from you. Welcome to my list.

Whatever.

So if sexuality has no place in childhood, I suppose that you would agree that heterosexuals should not be kissing anywhere that children might see them? Afterall, they shouldn't be having straight sex either.

Since the issue is kissing and not just a "kiss hello or goodbye"....

I believe that kids that young should not be exposed to anyone "kissing"; and from that, when kids have heterosexual parents, the parents are to be viewed as authoritative figures and not as sexual beings. There's a time and place for couples to show their affection, and in the mall where there's young kids in this example; and specifically this example; should not be one of them...and kissing is one of them.

I agree that young kids should not see kissing by anyone, since it does lie in the "sexual category" even if it's a modest one. Let kids be kids...don't bring in the sexual preference issue to it. Tho I don't get why you bring in "they shouldn't be having straight sex either." to this. No kid should have to see that or have to think about that.

There's been news about kids wanting to kiss other kids in school, and it doesn't matter if it's boy on girl on boy or boy on boy or girl on girl...and this is an issue that nobody within the school or law wants to deal with that. You think kids (and the main word is 'kids') should be exposed to those kind of (modest) sexual situations? There's a reason why movies and tv have ratings, you know.

This is simple really. Being gay is wrong. For the religious group, the bible says pretty clear that being gay is a Huge sin. For the patriotic, try checking documents written by our FOUNDING FATHERS! And as to covering everything else, it's pointless! A big reason for living is to reproduce and keep our species going. The more gays there are, the more a chance that a child that could cure cancer. But no, that child's life eds with this penis-to-penis CRRAP
What the hell are you talking about? Either you're a troll or an ignoramus. There is no Biblical animosity towards gays. Nor did the framers of the U.S. Constitution write anything against gays that I'm aware of. And there are plenty, plenty of children on this planet. We don't need to be procreating quite so much anymore. And do you even know what cancer actually is?

Ut-oh. Better not speak about anything "oral." It might offend King Farouk. :rolleyes:

Ohh diddums.

This is simple really. Being gay is wrong. For the religious group, the bible says pretty clear that being gay is a Huge sin. For the patriotic, try checking documents written by our FOUNDING FATHERS! And as to covering everything else, it's pointless! A big reason for living is to reproduce and keep our species going. The more gays there are, the more a chance that a child that could cure cancer. But no, that child's life eds with this penis-to-penis CRRAP

I shall refrain from explaining gay sex to you, and instead mention that just because reproducing is a big reason doesn't mean it's the only reason. I will not, unless due to some unforeseen "accident", have a child because I think it's morally wrong to overpopulate the earth, but that doesn't mean my life is pointless or that any romantic relation I might have will be pointless (it might mean that to you, but it doesn't mean that to me and quite frankly is it any of your business if my life is pointless?)

I'd like to add, I think it would be morally wrong to have children, but I don't think it should be illegal for other people to. See how simple it is?

This is simple really. Being gay is wrong. For the religious group, the bible says pretty clear that being gay is a Huge sin. For the patriotic, try checking documents written by our FOUNDING FATHERS! And as to covering everything else, it's pointless! A big reason for living is to reproduce and keep our species going. The more gays there are, the more a chance that a child that could cure cancer. But no, that child's life eds with this penis-to-penis CRRAP

WTF??

You are contradicting yourself so badly here...I am snickering madly on my end reading your pabulum puking, sir.

And, for your information, there is no "hierarchy" of sin. a sin is a sin is a sin. At lest ye forget, "For all have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God."

Amen.

Well, based upon the various postings of Pracus and yourself, Terminalia, I'd have to disagree that you were more intelligent. And it hurts us to have to listen to such an ignorant individual as yourself. and before you go crying flame, realize that I use the word "ignorant" in it's literal meaning...UNINFORMED. Contrary to many Americans beliefs, "ignorant" is not a synonym of "stupid." Ignorance CAN be cured. Stupidity can't.
And, if you are ignorant BY CHOICE...because you refuse to become informed...well, then, sir, you are crossing that boundary between what is "ignorant" and what is "stupid." i'll leave you to figure out the rest.

I thought I was on your little ignore list Bucksnot, hehe I knew you would be

back, Ill harness you up next to Pracus, whip crack!

And, for your information, there is no "hierarchy" of sin. a sin is a sin is a sin. At lest ye forget, "For all have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God."
Really? I thought that there were degrees of sin. And I thought that all humans have sinned, no matter what, and that since Jesus died we're fine. I really don't know, since I'm not Christian, but I was under the impression that murder was a worse sin than blasphemy. At least to the non-fundamentalist Christians.

I think you are all idiots for not posting this in one of the million of other gay posts.

but anyway. I side with the "biggots".
mostly because either side I choose I am a biggot, its just I choose the side that gets accused of it all the time, not the biggots who accuse the other side.

Blah blah blah im spewing verbal diahreah because im a clueless republican flag waver with no idea of what im talking about.

we know.

There's a reason why movies and tv have ratings, you know.

Yep. It's because people like you want to just go out and reproduce...and then accept none of the responsibity that goes along with BEING A PARENT. no, you want everyone else to be your kid's parent. Time for you to take responsibility for your own spawn. And quit trying to make others take it. you're the one who chose to breed. and with that choice, comes the responsibility of BEING A PARENT.

Or do you really WANT to live in the nanny-state, where Uncle Sam decides what is best for you and your children to see and hear?

[QUOTE=Pracus]So its not gay's fault that hetero marriage is debunk. Its straight people's. And its not gay propaganda. . . its written by a PhD who did research that you can confirm for heaven's sake. Or didn't you read the byline?

I dont buy it, sorry.


No, PhD does not automatically equal truth, but citing statistics does lend credence.

Those statistics could have been faked.

Can you provide an alternative?

Ill go have alook later after dinner, but its getting harder to get the truth

now, PC has seen to that.

Or hell, can you not change your mind on ancilliary details every two seconds?

Like what??

Or do you really WANT to live in the nanny-state, where Uncle Sam decides what is best for you and your children to see and hear?


... socialism?


cause like, thats exactly what socialism is... i dout thats what hs goin at...

Or do you really WANT to live in the nanny-state, where Uncle Sam decides what is best for you and your children to see and hear?
Wow, "nanny state" seems to sound better than either "authoritarian-" or "fascist state". Perhaps I should try using that more often...

I think you are all idiots for not posting this in one of the million of other gay posts.
but anyway. I side with the "biggots".
mostly because either side I choose I am a biggot, its just I choose the side that gets accused of it all the time, not the biggots who accuse the other side.

Exactly, please will the real bigots here stand up, let me help you Boolandia.

... socialism?


cause like, thats exactly what socialism is... i dout thats what hs goin at...
No, that's an authoritarian or fascist state. It is a big brother state.

[QUOTE=Czecho-Slavakia]we know.

Fuckin' LOL!!!

This is simple really. Being gay is wrong. For the religious group, the bible says pretty clear that being gay is a Huge sin. For the patriotic, try checking documents written by our FOUNDING FATHERS! And as to covering everything else, it's pointless! A big reason for living is to reproduce and keep our species going. The more gays there are, the more a chance that a child that could cure cancer. But no, that child's life eds with this penis-to-penis CRRAP

Wow look! It's another skin-Xtian! Would somebody PLEASE tell this person that God is going to have Satan turn him over his knee and beat the crap of him in Hell for all eternity if he keeps impersonating a Christian and giving his people a bad name?

Hook, not only are you a nasty little person, you're an IDIOT to boot. NOWHERE in the Constitution is there ANY article or allusion to any idea about homosexuality pro OR con. The founding fathers, God rest their noble souls, were a bunch of fat, white, wealthy, slave-owning, unfaithful, womanizing guys who didn't like paying their taxes to King George. Hell, Jefferson, the BEST of the bunch, was SO radical in his views and SO liberal in his interperetations of Christianity that they had to write what we now regard as the seperation of church and state part of the constitution to get more conservative Christian states to sign. Funny, that one.

We've already been over the "breeding for the good of the species" arguement and discovered *GASP OMGZ!!!* we might need to breed a little LESS!!! And YOU... you shouldn't breed at all.


Curing cancer...? Well THAT is an entire different discussion and believe you me, gay or het has nothing to do with THAT. THAT pile of ugly is all about money. Greed knows no sexual orientation.

Now settle down, Beavis.

What the hell are you talking about? Either you're a troll or an ignoramus. There is no Biblical animosity towards gays. Nor did the framers of the U.S. Constitution write anything against gays that I'm aware of. And there are plenty, plenty of children on this planet. We don't need to be procreating quite so much anymore. And do you even know what cancer actually is?

As a reply, you really, really, really, really.......................................REALLY need to read more. Next, 2 key words, "AWARE OF". And yes, I do know what it is. My father has it.

I thought I was on your little ignore list Bucksnot, hehe I knew you would be

back, Ill harness you up next to Pracus, whip crack!

Nope. Just haven't yet been back to my page where I can add you yet. You're on the list, only a matter of me going back to the page where I can add you. but I'm not breaking off, mid-thread, to do it. trust me, you'll be on it soon enough.

Oh, and one more thing...later on from the post I'm responding to, you suggest statistics could have been faked. why? Because they don't agree with what you wanted them to show, they must have been faked???

In-fuckin-credible.

Bye bye now, Terminalia.

Fuckin' LOL!!!

Thank you :)



No, that's an authoritarian or fascist state. It is a big brother state.

facism relates very little to conservatism, in that it acts nothing like it should, much like communism acts like what facism should. technically.


i really think the political scale should do this:

Facism Socialism Capitalism Feudalism Communism , because, going left to right, thats the leas--- wait, shit, feudalism just fucked me up... nevermind... whatever.

I thought I was on your little ignore list Bucksnot, hehe I knew you would be

back, Ill harness you up next to Pracus, whip crack!

OMGz BWAHAHAHAHA!!! Pracus, the faerie dust! He must be snorting it!!! No more faerie dust for Terminalia. It's making him kinky.

[QUOTE=Bucksnort]Oh, I dunno. Maybe make you into a more sensitive, tolerant, loving...and educated individual.

I am, I'm all the above, I just dont agree with you on certain issues.

But of course you go on ahead and demonise me to be something Im not.


you seemed to be asking me a number of questions about my condition, and I took that as a sincere, honest attempt to learn more, so I invited you to research it for yourself, if you really were that interested.
It seems you were probably only asking me the questions so you could snicker privately at my answers. Like the biggest, most boorish idiot I have ever encountered, you were asking the questions, not with any desire to learn and understand...but rather to ridicule and demean.

Ohh stroke the poor wee rabbit... there there

I was genuinely curious at first.

My curiosity was only about a couple of things, I dont really need to know

the rest.

Its a small matter to me.

As a reply, you really, really, really, really.......................................REALLY need to read more. Next, 2 key words, "AWARE OF". And yes, I do know what it is. My father has it.


Jesus christ, you cause actual christians to blush in horror at your stupidity!

the bible does not calls gays evil! you are mad!

As a reply, you really, really, really, really.......................................REALLY need to read more. Next, 2 key words, "AWARE OF". And yes, I do know what it is. My father has it.
Really? That's funny, 'cause I was thinking the exact same thing about you. I think you should read the Federalist Papers, the US Constitution, and the Declaration of Independence. Tell me if you find any mention of the framers condemning homosexuality. And read the Bible. A literal translation. Quote the part where it condmens homosexuality. Next, look into biodiversity some. And finally, I meant what it really is. Physiologically and biochemically speaking. Perhaps you should find out just what we're doing to our environment that is causing all of this cancer. We are spewing huge amounts of carcinogenic and mutagenic substances into our environment, and it's not because of those damn homos that we're doing that.

OMGz BWAHAHAHAHA!!! Pracus, the faerie dust! He must be snorting it!!! No more faerie dust for Terminalia. It's making him kinky.

lol Ill harness you in front of Pracus and Bucky, just in case they want

some. :)

Im just full of bible-belt propoganda, ignore me!


here here!

Facism Socialism Capitalism Feudalism Communism , because, going left to right, thats the leas--- wait, shit, feudalism just fucked me up... nevermind... whatever.
Keep your types of government in check! Communisn, socialism, and capitalism are economic systems. Fascism and feudalism are governmental systems.

And I have no idea where you got your ideas from. I think you need to check into the differences between liberal, conservative, and authoritarian governmental views.

This is simple really. Being gay is wrong. For the religious group, the bible says pretty clear that being gay is a Huge sin. For the patriotic, try checking documents written by our FOUNDING FATHERS! And as to covering everything else, it's pointless! A big reason for living is to reproduce and keep our species going. The more gays there are, the more a chance that a child that could cure cancer. But no, that child's life eds with this penis-to-penis CRRAP

<pulls out a copy of the Bible in its original language> Show me where it condemns gays.

Further, care to point me to where the docuements written by the founding fathers condemning homosexuality are?

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Good riddance. Damn, I'm so glad I've a neck that swivels!

Damn, I'm so glad I've a neck that swivels!
Owls are laughing at you right now.

Keep your types of government in check! Communisn, socialism, and capitalism are economic systems. Fascism and feudalism are governmental systems.

And I have no idea where you got your ideas from. I think you need to check into the differences between liberal, conservative, and authoritarian governmental views.

if you lookat the affects of socialism and facism, you find they are very very similar in history.

i know the order, i was just trying to see if i could change it and it would make a bit more sense. it didnt :/

<pulls out a copy of the Bible in its original language>
Languages. I'm pretty sure that the Old Testament was written in Hebrew, and the New in Latin.

lol Ill harness you in front of Pracus and Bucky, just in case they want

some. :)

OMFG!!!

*laughs until she nearly wets herself and runs to the ladies room!!!*

Baby, you're not man enough to put THIS chixxor in a harness. Though you're welcome to try. I'll take wagers on how long it takes me to get YOU in it in front of Pracus and Buckie. Don't worry, I'll make sure your behimend stays safe, you naughty little perve.

[QUOTE=Bucksnort]Nope. Just haven't yet been back to my page where I can add you yet. You're on the list, only a matter of me going back to the page where I can add you. but I'm not breaking off, mid-thread, to do it. trust me, you'll be on it soon enough.

Gee you ran away real quick, oh well, plenty more fish in the sea, bye bye

Bucksnot.

Oh, and one more thing...later on from the post I'm responding to, you suggest statistics could have been faked. why? Because they don't agree with what you wanted them to show, they must have been faked???

I wouldnt be surprised, tweaked at least.

if you lookat the affects of socialism and facism, you find they are very very similar in history.
I call most of the communist governments so far pseudo-communism. I consider then more fascist than communist or socialist.

Owls are laughing at you right now.


POST ONE-THOUSAND! YAY! THIS TOPIC IS WAY TOO! LONG! *Bells and whistles*

wooo hoo, 1000 posts and 67 pages, better post before its locked. gays have always gotten married, but it would be nice if they could marry the people they love, instead of someone to provide cover.

I call most of the communist governments so far pseudo-communism. I consider then more fascist than communist or socialist.


yea, thats what i mean... but i mixed it up...

Languages. I'm pretty sure that the Old Testament was written in Hebrew, and the New in Latin.

Yes, plural. Languages. Hebrew, Greek and Latin, I think. There may have been more before it was translated entirely into both Latin and German, but I just can't remember. Been waaaay too long since I studied history. Gah I'm getting old and senile!

yea, thats what i mean... but i mixed it up...
Ahh, ok.

OMFG!!!
*laughs until she nearly wets herself and runs to the ladies room!!!*
Baby, you're not man enough to put THIS chixxor in a harness. Though you're welcome to try. I'll take wagers on how long it takes me to get YOU in it in front of Pracus and Buckie. Don't worry, I'll make sure your behimend stays safe, you naughty little perve.

harhar, dont count on that, Im plenty man sweetiepie. ;)

I dont buy it, sorry.

Generally when we don't believe something in the scientific world, we give a reason why. Otherwise we are just being obstinate.


Those statistics could have been faked.


Yes they could have, but the burden is on you to prove it as you are the one who thinks they are faked. I have a source on my side, prove it wrong and I'll reconsider my arguements. Until then, my source stands and your not believing is just adds to my belief that you are an ignorant, self-righteous, twit.


Ill go have alook later after dinner, but its getting harder to get the truth
now, PC has seen to that.

Did you ever consider that maybe you can't find the truth you want because its NOT the truth. There is no overreaching PC conspiracy you know--its impossible in this age. <tries to hide his Secret Scout Ring that identifies him as one of the greatest perpetrators of the PC conspiracy to ruin Terms life>


Like what??

Like one moment you claim that gays destroyed marriage in Scandavia, but when shown they didn't, you change to it was already on the way out but that gays still shouldn't be married because. . . .why?

harhar, dont count on that, Im plenty man sweetiepie. ;)


eewww?

Yep. It's because people like you want to just go out and reproduce...and then accept none of the responsibity that goes along with BEING A PARENT. no, you want everyone else to be your kid's parent. Time for you to take responsibility for your own spawn. And quit trying to make others take it. you're the one who chose to breed. and with that choice, comes the responsibility of BEING A PARENT.

Or do you really WANT to live in the nanny-state, where Uncle Sam decides what is best for you and your children to see and hear?

Wow...you really don't know me. Since when is having ratings on TV and movies (which are in place to help parents guide what their children view in the first place) a knock on my "just go out and reproduce".

I'm actually a young Republican who's reponsible about reproduction and marriage. I, for one, take marriage, family and sex in an old fashioned and very serious manner. Jesus Christ, so shoot me in the ass if I don't want my kids watching Mtv or NYPD Blue. You think I have time to watch every single tv show and movie before they see it? These programs has a rating for a reason.

If anything, I'd like to see people have less kids and smaller families.

Wow look! It's another skin-Xtian! Would somebody PLEASE tell this person that God is going to have Satan turn him over his knee and beat the crap of him in Hell for all eternity if he keeps impersonating a Christian and giving his people a bad name?

Hook, not only are you a nasty little person, you're an IDIOT to boot. NOWHERE in the Constitution is there ANY article or allusion to any idea about homosexuality pro OR con. The founding fathers, God rest their noble souls, were a bunch of fat, white, wealthy, slave-owning, unfaithful, womanizing guys who didn't like paying their taxes to King George. Hell, Jefferson, the BEST of the bunch, was SO radical in his views and SO liberal in his interperetations of Christianity that they had to write what we now regard as the seperation of church and state part of the constitution to get more conservative Christian states to sign. Funny, that one.

We've already been over the "breeding for the good of the species" arguement and discovered *GASP OMGZ!!!* we might need to breed a little LESS!!! And YOU... you shouldn't breed at all.


Curing cancer...? Well THAT is an entire different discussion and believe you me, gay or het has nothing to do with THAT. THAT pile of ugly is all about money. Greed knows no sexual orientation.

Now settle down, Beavis.

First - no no forget it. Most intelligible people who are grateful to have been born in a country where you don't get your head chopped off for not bowing down to some fat old geizer with a funny hat know that the nation we currently live in was founded on christianity and held strong by noble men who fought an out of control empire against all odds and came out victorious. I could have made a much better point, but I didn't want to humiliate some retarded liberal bastard on a national scale.

Exactly, please will the real bigots here stand up, let me help you Boolandia.


Again Terminalia. Our viewpoints are based upon our observations and we can defend them. You have yet to successfully defend your viewpoints. Further none of us propose that you are less of a human being or deserve less rights than anyone else--inspite or our observations of your lesser intelligence. So the only bigots here are you and the others who cannot defend their beliefs with something resembling logic.

Oh, and one more thing...later on from the post I'm responding to, you suggest statistics could have been faked. why? Because they don't agree with what you wanted them to show, they must have been faked???

In-fuckin-credible.

Bye bye now, Terminalia.

I say that if he thinks they were faked, he needs to show it. Put his money where his mouth is or shut up.

I say that if he thinks they were faked, he needs to show it. Put his money where his mouth is or shut up.
Sloth is also one of the seven deadly sins. But he doesn't care.