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Worth reporting? The baseless insults that you, Raven, and his mysterious prophet have been spewing out have far crossed the line of decency.


How so? I have made observations that are merely documenting your behavior. Also, do you even know what a troll is?

Worth reporting? The baseless insults that you, Raven, and his mysterious prophet have been spewing out have far crossed the line of decency.

as far as insults go.. you think i care.. it isnt a big deal to me... however.. i do say this... if you were to report us report yourself for starting it up... everyone has right.. correct.. so.. freedom of relegeon wihtout persicution my friend.. once you say this and agree with it then you can say that we were attacking you

Defensor do you have a family?

Tell me Defensor.. do you have anythign better to do.... you know now that i think of it.. you probably dont.. you are probably enjoying tis attnetion thinking it is cool to piuss so many off.. yet you yourself know nothing.. everyone else is right.. you cant get out of a corner.. everyone else can.. so.. tell me.. is your God so great he cant even save you by giving you the brains to think yourself out of your own predicaments that you yourself get yourself stuck into?
Funny, seeing it is you and your allies here in this thread that have caused it to descend into foolishness. When your arguments started to fall apart, your imaginary friend showed up, bearing offensive messages concerning a "f*cktard."

Funny, seeing it is you and your allies here in this thread that have caused it to descend into foolishness. When your arguments started to fall apart, your imaginary friend showed up, bearing offensive messages concerning a "f*cktard."

leave my imaginary friends alone.. without them.. i wouldnt have any friends lol... seriously though.. yes those things were said.. however.. you come in and call all pagans devils... but.. truely.. you worship us as the devil is what keeps the church in business.. the fear of him.. the simple fact that all God Fearing people fear the Burning pits of hell.. so.. thank you.. thats right i said thank you for worshiping us

Worth reporting? The baseless insults that you, Raven, and his mysterious prophet have been spewing out have far crossed the line of decency.


from tormented_death:::::

hmm...insults....insults such as your name for me...the moronic prophet of idiocy..that sounds like an insult to me.....or does it make you mad that I don't care what you say....does it piss you off.....that I simply call my self an idiot everytime you call me one...hmm...strange isn't it..how soon we forget our own insults when talking about oneself

Funny, seeing it is you and your allies here in this thread that have caused it to descend into foolishness. When your arguments started to fall apart, your imaginary friend showed up, bearing offensive messages concerning a "f*cktard."

You were not welcome here to begin with. I created this thread in an attempt to see if I was the only pagan on NationStates. It seriously seemed like it at first. You invaded it and most definitely hijacked it.

Now, I'm going to get this mofo back on topic.

What's everyone doing/what have you done for the Sabbat?

from tormented_death:::::

hmm...insults....insults such as your name for me...the moronic prophet of idiocy..that sounds like an insult to me.....or does it make you mad that I don't care what you say....does it piss you off.....that I simply call my self an idiot everytime you call me one...hmm...strange isn't it..how soon we forget our own insults when talking about oneself
Do you hear this voices actually out loud or only mentally?

Nope, God is finnish.
Because Finnish turns into fish if you take out the 'inn'.

Okay guys, the humor is appreciated. Now let's discuss our plans for the winter holidays.

Nope, God is finnish.
Because Finnish turns into fish if you take out the 'inn'.
That makes sense how?

You were not welcome here to begin with. I created this thread in an attempt to see if I was the only pagan on NationStates. It seriously seemed like it at first. You invaded it and most definitely hijacked it.

Now, I'm going to get this mofo back on topic.

What's everyone doing/what have you done for the Sabbat?

hehe Babe.. you know what im doing... ((FYI Angry fruit salad is my Fiance))
Im hanging out wiht oyu for our 2 year anaversary.. then.. we will (hopefully) draw a circle and do a ritual for the gods

Err, still trying to figure out what in the name of the Goddess I'm going to do with myself this evening... No idea what it will be yet. It'll come to me eventually.

I hope...

I know the feeling. Like I said earlier, I should be in ritual. Oh well, like they said in Forrest Gump -- shit happens. Right?

So Yule's tomorrow. Got anything planned?

That makes sense how?
Get on topic or get out, please.

So Yule's tomorrow. Got anything planned?

Well, I'm doing laundry...lol yeah. It's kind of difficult to plan anything anymore.

from tormented_death::::::::::

I'm going to leave the house so....my friends can have fun....and I won't have to hear it this time

(((((comment))))) Piggy.. you will have oto get over the wonderful squeking sounds


(((comment from tormented_death)))).......HAhaaano....don't think so...it gets annoying after awhile

hehe Babe.. you know what im doing... ((FYI Angry fruit salad is my Fiance))
Im hanging out wiht oyu for our 2 year anaversary.. then.. we will (hopefully) draw a circle and do a ritual for the gods


Let's just hope it's not too cold or nasty outside. You know I don't like indoor rituals. That's why I was sick so much last year. Damn rain.

Sheesh its late Im off to bed

Let's just hope it's not too cold or nasty outside. You know I don't like indoor rituals. That's why I was sick so much last year. Damn rain.


um... i was thinkign... a circle around the bed.. i mean after all... yule is to celebrate fertilization lol j/k... please no one take offence to my perverted mind

from tormented_death::::::::::

I'm going to leave the house so....my friends can have fun....and I won't have to hear it this time

(((((comment))))) Piggy.. you will have oto get over the wonderful squeking sounds

Oh hush, Jesse. I'm still kinda sick, so not much is going to happen...besides alot of sleeping..

um... i was thinkign... a circle around the bed.. i mean after all... yule is to celebrate fertilization lol j/k... please no one take offence to my perverted mind


*glare* no just no but hell freakin no!!


get your mind out of the gutter,lol ;P

i think its completly ignorant of christians (or any other religion that discriminates) to automatically say that pagans are devil worshippers, especially since most have not done any research on the actual religion.

i think its completly ignorant of christians (or any other religion that discriminates) to automatically say that pagans are devil worshippers, especially since most have not done any research on the actual religion.


Hello, and welcome to the thread. We appreciate your support, but we're trying to starve the troll to death, so please join in our discussion. ^_^

For the record.. I am Christian. I have quite a few pagan friends. In all honesty, a majority of those closest to me are pagans. I, unlike the many idiots who claim to be Christians on this site ((I have yet to deduce whether they are just mocking Christians on purpose, or unknowingly mocking Christians merely by living...)), have read a lot about various religions, pagan included. Just speaking up to let ye all know we aren't all pompous, Bible thumping, close-minded, ignorant fools.

Oh hush, Jesse. I'm still kinda sick, so not much is going to happen...besides alot of sleeping..


from tormented_death:::::::::


you say that now...but then the time comes...and......*aaaahhhhhhh nasty thought in my head* :headbang: get out...get out get out


(( from raven:::::**mmmm perverted thoughts.......**))))

For the record.. I am Christian. I have quite a few pagan friends. In all honesty, a majority of those closest to me are pagans. I, unlike the many idiots who claim to be Christians on this site ((I have yet to deduce whether they are just mocking Christians on purpose, or unknowingly mocking Christians merely by living...)), have read a lot about various religions, pagan included. Just speaking up to let ye all know we aren't all pompous, Bible thumping, close-minded, ignorant fools.


Once again, welcome to the thread. You're welcome to join in our discussion of our holiday plans. Just please do not feed the troll ^_^

from tormented_death:::::::::


you say that now...but then the time comes...and......*aaaahhhhhhh nasty thought in my head* :headbang: get out...get out get out


your mind, your fault, man. ;P

your mind, your fault, man. ;P

from tormented_death::::::;;

what do you expect look who I freakin live with....I mean..your man corrupted my tormented mind.,..and you expected something else to pop in

For the record.. I am Christian. I have quite a few pagan friends. In all honesty, a majority of those closest to me are pagans. I, unlike the many idiots who claim to be Christians on this site ((I have yet to deduce whether they are just mocking Christians on purpose, or unknowingly mocking Christians merely by living...)), have read a lot about various religions, pagan included. Just speaking up to let ye all know we aren't all pompous, Bible thumping, close-minded, ignorant fools.
If you condone paganism, you have sinned against Christ and the True God.

Now I must depart for now...

from tormented_death::::::;;

what do you expect look how I freakin live with


good point...

good point...

tormented_death::::

finaly someone listens to me

**me** yea yea.. guess what.. get over it... mm... yea... grrr.... the voices in my head make me stop sayting what i want to say :headbang:


Tormented_death:::::: and that voice sounds strangly like jamie dosn't it

:headbang: no just what shhe would do to me :headbang:

Tormented_death::::

same difference

okay guys, now that the troll has starved, let's vacate the thread.

We can continue our discussion here (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=383471)

That makes sense how?

Not at all.
That's what I'm here for.
:D

Not at all.
That's what I'm here for.
:D

you're more than welcome to join us in our other thread (posted in my previous message)

Err, still trying to figure out what in the name of the Goddess I'm going to do with myself this evening... No idea what it will be yet. It'll come to me eventually.

I hope...

Whoo, I've finally decided what to do...
I'll be off soon, time for rituals.

you're more than welcome to join us in our other thread (posted in my previous message)

Whoops, I totally missed that!
Sorry.

Hey Fidei, I read a book about eating one's children, talking snakes, witches, magical birds spitting fire, unicorns, giants, magic, conjuring up the dead, smashing kids heads on rocks, talking donkeys, and it condones genocide! No, its no the Lord of the Rings, its the "Holy" Bible. And you still havent answered my Jesus-Mithra arguement... want me to repeat it?


Uhuh, Yeah. Well, Ahura Mazda told me that Jesus is a copy of an Aryan sun god called Mithra (Worshipped in Ancient Persia as Mithra and still worshipped by Hindus as Mitra). Mithra predates Christ by 1500 years and has too many similarities to your version of Mithra to make it a coincidence. Dont believe me?

Mithra, Sungod of Persia
The story of Mithra precedes the Christian fable by at least 600 years. According to Wheless, the cult of Mithra was, shortly before the Christian era, "the most popular and widely spread 'Pagan' religion of the times." Mithra has the following in common with the Christ character:

Mithra was born of a virgin on December 25th.
He was considered a great traveling teacher and master.
He had 12 companions or disciples.
He performed miracles.
He was buried in a tomb.
After three days he rose again.
His resurrection was celebrated every year.
Mithra was called "the Good Shepherd."
He was considered "the Way, the Truth and the Light, the Redeemer, the Savior, the Messiah."
He was identified with both the Lion and the Lamb.
His sacred day was Sunday, "the Lord's Day," hundreds of years before the appearance of Christ.
Mithra had his principal festival on what was later to become Easter, at which time he was resurrected.
His religion had a Eucharist or "Lord's Supper."52

http://www.truthbeknown.com/mithra.htm

Not only that, but most of the tenets of your religion have been taken from my faith. The belief in angels and deamons, of an afterlife based on judgement of the soul dependent on the works of one's life, the belief in a savior (Messiah to Christians and Jews, Sashoyant to Zoroastrians), and the belief in apocalypse were all taken from the Zoroastrians. Your entire faith is a plagarism of three older faiths. You have stolen from the Zarathushtri (Zoroastrian) faith, from the ancient Aryan faith, and from the Jewish Torah to make a religion. Great work!

I like how pagans battle blind ignorance and stereotypes from christianity, with blind ignorance and stereotypes. (They all think we're evil, when really, we're against evil!)

And I like how it's up to the jews to validate pagans. (What with all that psalms and hebrew translation crap.)

1] Wiccans are Pagans, hence, there is no reason to separate the two. Not all Pagans are Wiccan, but all Wiccans are Pagans.

2] Even if they did worship devils, they have every right to. No, daemon worship should not be allowed! But Pagans aren't daemon-worshippers. I'll admit that. Heretics yes, daemon-worshippers no.

i think its completly ignorant of christians (or any other religion that discriminates) to automatically say that pagans are devil worshippers, especially since most have not done any research on the actual religion.

I think it's completely ignorant of non-Christians to automatically assume that all Christians are closed-minded and that we hate all who are not Christians.

I think it's completely ignorant of non-Christians to automatically assume all Christians are homophobic.

Has anyone done actual research on Christianity? Not the history. The religion itself?

The Jews killed Christ and are now accursed.

Do tell me. Where are you getting this information?

Maybe this thread should have been named

"disgruntled wiccans"

Most of the "pagans" here seem to be wiccans.

I don't even like the word pagan. Seems to have a negotive air to it.

Wiccan I like.

Dude, in case you haven't realized it, I'm pagan myself. I made this thread in an attempt to be a smartass (looks like I kinda failed) and to figure out whether I'm alone here or not.
You're certainly not alone here. And I get sick of the misrepresentation of Pagans. I would be characterized as more Pagan-friendly than Pagan, though my fiancee is a Pagan and we plan to be married in a Pagan ceremony. I have found Pagans to generally be kind and concerned people, almost to a fault. I know there are many decent people who are Christians, but I've also met a lot of Christians who have generally treated me like shit.

Bible-thumping, Christian Fundamentialist whackjob!

You're the type that takes the Bible way too seriously. You take it word for word. You can't do that-it wasn't ment to be taken word for word in the first place. On top of that, you also have the arrogence to believe that your particular sect of Christianity is somehow more right or better than the others.

I am disgusted by your ignorance. As an Episcopalian, I believe I speak for the majority of the Christian faith in general in saying that we do not profess followers of other faiths, however different they may be from ours, to be in any way less worthy before God or to be worshippers of Satan (except for those psychotic nutcases who are throwing their souls away in the Church of Satan, which does exist, by the way-I checked out their website and almost vomited).

As long as you live a long and virtuous life (and I say virtuous in a secular sense, and this is coming from me-I'm not speaking for the Church), you will find God in your own way, and in the end, isn't that really all that matters?

You're beautiful. Thank you for your way of thinking. I won't be so ugly as to put anyone down. I'm too busy raising the level of my own [personal] spirituality, hope and faith. I appreciate the beauty in nature and trying to help out my fellow man. I volunteer with social outreach to feed and clothe the needy. Angry words are hallow. Good actions are divine.

Whatever happened to do unto others. If those that hated others for their chosen paths would just turn that focus inward and see how they are poisoning themselves with such negativity and use that energy for a better good this world would not be so forceful and make the stay here just a little more accomodating since there is nowhere else to go. Seeking divinity is a personal journey and houses of worship are just to help interpret not define.

here is my poem to sum up the subject


If only Pagans could fly,
over Europe in the sky
They would see the world from up high

and when they looked below them
they would see that despite all the goats they sacrificed, there are still plenty in Crete, off mainland Greece

very good poem !!!

Even a can of raid won't get rid of them...will it? *sigh* Well, if he's not a troll, we need a new name for him..


HOW ABOUT OBLIVIOT!!!!!! An oblivious Idiot

I believe Paganism is wrong - but I don't equate it with Daemonology/Satanism. I put it on the same level as I do atheism - NOT devil worship - which ought to be cracked down on - but a false religion. I think I can imagine what REAL Devil Worship is - and I think that Paganism isn't evil, but foolish (just as you think Christianity is foolish) - but I will NOT tolerate any kind of devil worship.

That is my view.

The troll appears to have gone, so it's safe to leave food: You said the Jews killed Christ. Well, CHRIST WAS A JEW! So were his disciples! Are you going to genocidally kill the Italians because they're the genetic descendents of the Romans?

Aah, I feel better inside!

I believe Paganism is wrong - but I don't equate it with Daemonology/Satanism. I put it on the same level as I do atheism - NOT devil worship - which ought to be cracked down on - but a false religion. I think I can imagine what REAL Devil Worship is - and I think that Paganism isn't evil, but foolish (just as you think Christianity is foolish) - but I will NOT tolerate any kind of devil worship.

That is my view.

The troll appears to have gone, so it's safe to leave food: You said the Jews killed Christ. Well, CHRIST WAS A JEW! So were his disciples! Are you going to genocidally kill the Italians because they're the genetic descendents of the Romans?

Aah, I feel better inside!


some humor..nice

That's because your religion is wrong and does involve devil-worship.

Ok Listen I think every one has just about had it up to here with you and your bull shit spouting coments. Obviously you are some lonely jerk with a mind too small to be able to fathom that your religion is not the only right one. This is an unacseptable view. Let me put it in a way that you will understand, what you are doing now is not respecting you neibors which if i'm not mistaken is going against one of the ten comandments. Which means you are going not going go get into your "heaven" if you continue acting like this. As a witch I dont even belive in the devil, we are all responsible for our own misgivings and bad form, not some evil presence.Thus the law of three fold return.
So next time you get into the mood to trash mine or anyones religion think about this, Being mean makes you a little shit and your god hates little shits!

The reason we Christains often equate paganism with devil or demon worship is because scripture says everything not of God is of Satan, translated the accuser, I personally have several pagan friends including an ex that I want to get back with. If we really want to help our God's cause we need to not condemn them, but be examples of God's love, and pray that one day they come to know Him. If we sit there and call them evil and satanic and point fingers, we're not helping them, and we're not helping our God.

Ok Listen I think every one has just about had it up to here with you and your bull shit spouting coments. Obviously you are some lonely jerk with a mind too small to be able to fathom that your religion is not the only right one. This is an unacseptable view. Let me put it in a way that you will understand, what you are doing now is not respecting you neibors which if i'm not mistaken is going against one of the ten comandments. Which means you are going not going go get into your "heaven" if you continue acting like this. As a witch I dont even belive in the devil, we are all responsible for our own misgivings and bad form, not some evil presence.Thus the law of three fold return.
So next time you get into the mood to trash mine or anyones religion think about this, Being mean makes you a little shit and your god hates little shits!
I am borderline applauding you, but I've already explained my views on this. However, thank you for humbling my imbicile brother or sister, I don't know which one they are.

The Jews killed Christ and are now accursed.



Do tell me. Where are you getting this information?

According to him... tradition and scripture. I've already tried to argue that point with him.

According to him... tradition and scripture. I've already tried to argue that point with him.
as for his quote he need to read romans 11 and 12. Something to the effect of "I have severed my people from my good olive tree to graft on the gentiles. How much more willing would I be graft my own people back on?" Tradition is the works of men passed down, and has very little to do with God. The only exception I can think of is the Book of Common Prayers. But that's more a guideline, and not concidered doctrine.

We are all one, all a part of the web of life, of existance. All that we do, large or small affects all others, how ever little recognized that may be.

And all that we do comes back to us, maybe so far away in time, or altered by things, that we don't recognize it, but come back it does.

Liskeinland - My religion may be false for you but it is true for me. Don't judge my by your religion, and I will not judge you by mine.

I believe Paganism is wrong - but I don't equate it with Daemonology/Satanism. I put it on the same level as I do atheism - NOT devil worship - which ought to be cracked down on - but a false religion. I think I can imagine what REAL Devil Worship is - and I think that Paganism isn't evil, but foolish (just as you think Christianity is foolish) - but I will NOT tolerate any kind of devil worship.

That is my view.

The troll appears to have gone, so it's safe to leave food: You said the Jews killed Christ. Well, CHRIST WAS A JEW! So were his disciples! Are you going to genocidally kill the Italians because they're the genetic descendents of the Romans?

Aah, I feel better inside!

Actually, the funny thing about Devil worshippers is that they worship him more as a good/bad person, kinda like a human. There are 2 main types: Satanism, which is just pretty laid back, and Luciferism (I think I spelled that wrong.) which is agressively anti-Christian. No, I am not a devil worshipper, but I have gone to some religious forums with people who are. This is the gist of it. Non-tolerant Christians tick me off. (I'm a Christian) Like there is one kid at my school who is agnostic, and bordering on going to Paganism, and one girl keeps pestering him to go to church. Now I don't have a huge deal with this, but there are also some kids who refuse to accept his non-Christianity. I happen to be extremely tolerant of oher religions. Oh fun fact for all you nutjob (extreme) Christians out there. Christmas was originally (or so my Pagan friends tell me) a Pagan holiday to celebrate Mother Earth or something along those lines. Also Valentines day was originally to celibrate the Roman/Greek God or Demi-God (can't remember) Cupid.

We are all one, all a part of the web of life, of existance. All that we do, large or small affects all others, how ever little recognized that may be.

And all that we do comes back to us, maybe so far away in time, or altered by things, that we don't recognize it, but come back it does.

Liskeinland - My religion may be false for you but it is true for me. Don't judge my by your religion, and I will not judge you by mine.
*applauds* Sadly, however, if Liskeinland is a Christian, scripture says only one thing about all other religions and it is ever so slightly judgemental. It doesn't say to condemn them though.

Actually, the funny thing about Devil worshippers is that they worship him more as a good/bad person, kinda like a human. There are 2 main types: Satanism, which is just pretty laid back, and Luciferism (I think I spelled that wrong.) which is agressively anti-Christian. No, I am not a devil worshipper, but I have gone to some religious forums with people who are. This is the gist of it. Non-tolerant Christians tick me off. (I'm a Christian) Like there is one kid at my school who is agnostic, and bordering on going to Paganism, and one girl keeps pestering him to go to church. Now I don't have a huge deal with this, but there are also some kids who refuse to accept his non-Christianity. I happen to be extremely tolerant of oher religions. Oh fun fact for all you nutjob (extreme) Christians out there. Christmas was originally (or so my Pagan friends tell me) a Pagan holiday to celebrate Mother Earth or something along those lines. Also Valentines day was originally to celibrate the Roman/Greek God or Demi-God (can't remember) Cupid.
Thanks bro, couldn't have said it better myself. Scripture urges us to be examples of Gods love for all of his children, not to tell everyone they're going to hell.

Im a wiccan

some one said something about Pagan worshiping devils. Well Consider the Following
1. Pagans and Wiccans dont believe in Devil; You do
2. If you believe in the Devil doesnt that go against the frist commandment that says there is only one God; even if the Devil is an Anti-Deity
3. If Christians believe there is ONE god why worship Jesus and the Holy Spirit. If you aren't a Unitarian or Jew your probably a Pagan by definition
1. You're right on that point.
2. No, Satan was an angel cast from heaven, not a god.
3. Christ and the Holy Spirit are both seperate parts of God. It's the trinitarian view of God as being three parts of one.
Just figured I'd clear that up for you.

Not believing in something doesn't mean it isn't real. And forgive me, but I'm about to misuse the english language by means of dual word meanings.

Ex: Most Christians don't believe in abortion.

How would it be loving to lie to Jews that they are saved?

attitudes like this are why I despise organized religion of all flavors. All it is is "I'm better than you and you're going to burn/suffer/whatever because you don't think like I do"

Religion, especially Christianity, is a crutch for the weak who need to be TOLD to be nice to others (and then they neglect to be nice to those that disagree with them, anyway)

:headbang:

I'm new to the area, and granted don't know any of you, but I'm a pagan too. Though, I don't fall into any pagan form of religion. I believe in Truth. I think there are universal truths in all religions, if you know how to look for it. In Christianity, Ezra once said "Many paths to one God." If you interpet this differently, you'll see what I mean. I think everyone has at some experienced the same faceless, genderless power, and in turn, interpeted it differently. Hence, different cultures, religions and beliefs were formed. Also, the Bible said "You reap what you sew." Wicca says what you do will return three-fold.
I've had people do tarot readings for me that were accurate to the extreme. I've had christians say they had dreams that turned into something more like prophecy. In my belief there is no good or evil. There is only power. It's like a loaded gun... a loaded gun isn't good or evil. It's just power. A sniper may use it to blow away someone to diffuse a hostage situation... or someone may use it to kill a rival gang member. There is no good or evil, just power. It's all dependant upon how it's used. I feel I've made my point, but if you'd like to discuss this further, my name is Seraph_Override on yahoo messenger, and Seraph Override on AIM. Blessed be.

-Seraph Override

attitudes like this are why I despise organized religion of all flavors. All it is is "I'm better than you and you're going to burn/suffer/whatever because you don't think like I do"

Religion, especially Christianity, is a crutch for the weak who need to be TOLD to be nice to others (and then they neglect to be nice to those that disagree with them, anyway)

:headbang:
The person who made that post is diluted to begin with. It really isn't our place to say what's right and what's wrong. We can only offer the path to Christ and attempt to demonstrate the good it can bring. Sadly you get submorons like this guy who see fit to criticize rather than cultivate. We should plant seeds and pray that they develop roots not say "I'm right because scripture says so, and if I'm right you must be wrong, so you're going to hell." No one ever found salvation through condemnation. All that does is turn people away.

Here's a fun way to mess with extreme Christian rich people (like Bush). Go up to them and say do you believe the Bible should be interpreted literally? If they say yes continue as such: A quote from Jesus says that "It is easier for a camel to fit through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get into heaven." So by that definition, you are going to hell rich boy! Laugh and then walk off.

Here's a fun way to mess with extreme Christian rich people (like Bush). Go up to them and say do you believe the Bible should be interpreted literally? If they say yes continue as such: A quote from Jesus says that "It is easier for a camel to fit through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get into heaven." So by that definition, you are going to hell rich boy! Laugh and then walk off.
lol

I find it kind of strange, that every relegion, has the same basic principals;

"We're right, every one else is wrog, and the are going to hell, and deserve to die"

"Don't hurt your fellow man"

"Don't steal"

"Respect family"

"Give us your money"

"Our god created the universe"

Thats the basic theme for every relegion, sure some change a little, some people just worship fuzzy animals. But the basic principals are the same, makes me think that there is one central, basic truth to it all. Some go back farther then other, Hebrew..(I dont know what its callled) seems to go back the farthest, documents the first man, and woman, and has been around the longest. Christianity is way up there too, over 2000 years, and it bases off the Jewish faith, so really its roots go all the way back to dawn of time too. And the rest, seem to copy these themes, in some form or another. Maybe there is no 'God', maybe there is. Maybe everyone is right, maybe everyone is wrong, who cares. Everyones job is to try to convert the others, so I gotta throw my bid in...

I am an Alvist, Our Lord, Alvis, came to earth 150 years ago to save mankind, he is the holiest man ever to slap iron, He killed for your sins.
Our mission is simple, we are to drink deeply, from the whiskey, rye, and bourben, untill such time as we are fighting drunk. And then we are to seek out, and beat the asses of, the non beleivers.
If anyone confronts us, our Lord says, to shoot them, right in the freaking face.
Alvis is the god of drinking, revenge, and guns.

Welcome aboard Seraph Overidia - and I feel very much as you do - power, be it religous, physical, mental etc. - is neither inherently good or evil - it is what we do with it.

How ever I do believe that there is good and evil - that so many people can not believe in something so strongly and for so long and it not exist.

And yes there are truths that almost all religions share in common.

However Teradoc, I have to say that your list is somewhat incorrect.




"We're right, every one else is wrog, and the are going to hell, and deserve to die"

Nope they don't say that, the fallible humans do

"Don't hurt your fellow man"

Yep most of them say some version of this

"Don't steal"

To me this falls under the above

"Respect family"

I'll agree on this one

"Give us your money"

again fallible humans not the religion

"Our god created the universe"

The Divine has many facets, can poor limited man be faulted for only being able to see some of them?

I find it kind of strange, that every relegion, has the same basic principals;

"We're right, every one else is wrog, and the are going to hell, and deserve to die"

"Don't hurt your fellow man"

"Don't steal"

"Respect family"

"Give us your money"

"Our god created the universe"



1. Wiccans don't say that. We pretty much say " Okay. I'm doing this. If you don't like it, get out of my way and go do something else."

2. That's the basic belief of any sane human, I think.

3.Well, stealing can hurt someone, so see #2.

4. Nope. Only those big shiny churches want money.

5. Our God(dess) is every God(dess), so if the universe was created by one, it would be ours.

1. Wiccans don't say that. We pretty much say " Okay. I'm doing this. If you don't like it, get out of my way and go do something else."

2. That's the basic belief of any sane human, I think.

3.Well, stealing can hurt someone, so see #2.

4. Nope. Only those big shiny churches want money.

5. Our God(dess) is every God(dess), so if the universe was created by one, it would be ours.

Your relegion is wrong, as your a non beleiver, I get to shoot you in the freaking face!!!!!
So, your relegion has been around for a thousand years.... A thousand years of.. of .. stupid!

Your relegion is wrong, as your a non beleiver, I get to shoot you in the freaking face!!!!!
So, your relegion has been around for a thousand years.... A thousand years of.. of .. stupid!

I really hope you're being a smartass, because otherwise you're acting like a troll I dealt with last night.

Oh, and it's religion, not relegion. I'm really getting tired of seeing that same error over and over and over again...

I really hope you're being a smartass, because otherwise you're acting like a troll I dealt with last night.

Lol...
Ever watch Sealab 2025 :)

Your relegion is wrong, as your a non beleiver, I get to shoot you in the freaking face!!!!!
So, your relegion has been around for a thousand years.... A thousand years of.. of .. stupid!

O am assuming you are joking. (please by all that is good) If you aren't joking, then you are completely insane. Also intolerant.

Lol...
Ever watch Sealab 2025 :)

It's 2021 you dumass (yeah dumass, from the commercial)

Lol...
Ever watch Sealab 2025 :)

Actually no. I don't watch TV much. (College student thing. I'm usually in class, repairing computers, sleeping, or online.)

Wow..... humor and the cartoon network seem to be lost on you all.... Oh well, I still like my religeon(sowwy mister grammer police)
My brain is numb right now, been at work 5 hours, and i got another 5 to go =/

Wow..... humor and the cartoon network seem to be lost on you all.... Oh well, I still like my religeon(sowwy mister grammer police)
My brain is numb right now, been at work 5 hours, and i got another 5 to go =/

You get paid to mess around on the computer? nice. Where can I get a job like that?

Actually no. I don't watch TV much. (College student thing. I'm usually in class, repairing computers, sleeping, or online.)

Eh.. I work 50 hours a week, am going to school full time, AND enjoy an addiction to MMORPG's, its slow day today, so I'm trolling forums.

You get paid to mess around on the computer? nice. Where can I get a job like that?

Get a tech job, wait tell around christmas, when no on wants to bother with getting thier stuff fixed, fix everything you have to do for the day, then kick back, and hope somthing interesting happens.

It's 2021 you dumass (yeah dumass, from the commercial)

Damn it, your right..... Oh well, guess im not a good Alvist
Guess i was thinking of that TV show... about 3 women in the future... somthing 2525. To be honest, I've only seen that show a couple times :p I just think Alvis is cool lol

You get paid to mess around on the computer? nice. Where can I get a job like that?


Sorry, I'm one of those people who got tossed into spelling bees from the time I could talk, so I'm a little obsessive about things like that.

Sorry, I'm one of those people who got tossed into spelling bees from the time I could talk, so I'm a little obsessive about things like that.

I think you quoted the wrong guy, this is the one you were looking for.

Wow..... humor and the cartoon network seem to be lost on you all.... Oh well, I still like my religeon(sowwy mister grammer police)
My brain is numb right now, been at work 5 hours, and i got another 5 to go =/

I think you quoted the wrong guy, this is the one you were looking for.

Wow..... humor and the cartoon network seem to be lost on you all.... Oh well, I still like my religeon(sowwy mister grammer police)
My brain is numb right now, been at work 5 hours, and i got another 5 to go =/

merp. thanks. damn mouse.

I'm not a pagan, I'm a Zoroastrian. Pagans, however, are just as valid in their religion as you are in yours. All faiths lead to good life and deeds, as long as you are a good person you will be treated with justice at the end of your life.

Sorry, I'm one of those people who got tossed into spelling bees from the time I could talk, so I'm a little obsessive about things like that.

Everyoness obsessive about somthing, I guess grammer isnt the worst thing you could be obsessed with.
Funny thing is, I used to be slightly obsessed with it myself, now, as long as you have basic sentance structure, don't use words like "Pwned" and "n00b" every other word, and at least make an attempt at spelling corectly, I dont care too much, in fact, I dont even care about my own anymore.

Here's a fun way to mess with extreme Christian rich people (like Bush). Go up to them and say do you believe the Bible should be interpreted literally? If they say yes continue as such: A quote from Jesus says that "It is easier for a camel to fit through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get into heaven." So by that definition, you are going to hell rich boy! Laugh and then walk off.

If that person you asked was truly a Christian and truly followed God in God's path then they would no that the answer isn't yes, but at the same time the answer isn't no.

The Bible is full of symbols and metaphors. It's poetic in the way it was written.

Many things much be infered while others just interpretted. Of course not everything is literal, like in many books.

Why don't we all just ignore Defensor Fidei?

He/she likes that we respond to him/her.

Don't give them what they want.

If I started a thread and started bashing Paganism.

What would you call me?

Why don't we all just ignore Defensor Fidei?

He/she likes that we respond to him/her.

Don't give them what they want.

Exactly. That's the very definition of a troll...which is why I quit feeding him.

Exactly. That's the very definition of a troll...which is why I quit feeding him.

It was a note to others

It was a note to others


I know. I just felt like commenting to state my agreement. ^_^

It's poetic in the way it was written.
Well then I think you need to expand your poetic experiences. Because there are much, much, much better works of poetry out there. Pick up anything by Shakespeare, and it'll be poetic, even if it's written in prose, though odds are it's in iambic pentametre; or read the Rubáiyát of Omar Khayyám Both are pretty damn awesome. I could come up with many other incredible poets and/or works of poetry if you're interested. Though for some reason I'm doubtful.

If I started a thread and started bashing Paganism.

What would you call me?
I'd call you a bastard who doesn't understand paganism at all. I can justify this discrimination. I have met plenty of fundie Christians that have pissed the hell out of me. I have never met a pagan that I disliked, and have never seen their religions as negative in any way. The two belief systems are fundamentally different. Not to say that I dislike Christianity, I just dislike some Christians.

Here's a fun way to mess with extreme Christian rich people (like Bush). Go up to them and say do you believe the Bible should be interpreted literally? If they say yes continue as such: A quote from Jesus says that "It is easier for a camel to fit through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get into heaven." So by that definition, you are going to hell rich boy! Laugh and then walk off.
Interesting use of Matthew 19:24.
Of course, if the extreme Christian rich person that you go up to is well grounded in Scripture, he or she will complete the quote, and say:
"When the disciples heard this, they were very astonished and said, "Then who can be saved?" And looking at them Jesus said to them, "With people this is impossible, but with God all things are possible." (Matthew 19:25-26)
They will then say that they trust that their salvation is possible with God.

Interesting use of Matthew 19:24.
Of course, if the extreme Christian rich person that you go up to is well grounded in Scripture, he or she will complete the quote, and say:
"When the disciples heard this, they were very astonished and said, "Then who can be saved?" And looking at them Jesus said to them, "With people this is impossible, but with God all things are possible." (Matthew 19:25-26)
They will then say that they trust that their salvation is possible with God.

That is why you laugh and walk off quickly. Don't give them a chance to respond! ;) Yes, it's just something to do if you are feeling very cheeky.

That is why you laugh and walk off quickly. Don't give them a chance to respond! ;) Yes, it's just something to do if you are feeling very cheeky.

lol thats auctually sorta funny :p
Your going to hell for saying it, but its still funny ;)

lol thats auctually sorta funny :p
Your going to hell for saying it, but its still funny ;)
There are plenty of people, including myself, who are going to hell many times over for our blasphemies.

There are plenty of people, including myself, who are going to hell many times over for our blasphemies.

I'll probablly see you there then, I hear you need to be a nice person to get into heaven.

lol thats auctually sorta funny :p
Your going to hell for saying it, but its still funny ;)

I dunno, I don't think that getting rich people pissed off is breaking one of the 10 Commandments, or even a sin. I happen to be a Christian, but hte more I learn, the less Christian I become. Many people in the Christian religion are complete dickwads wgho have their heads shoved so far up their asses, that they can't accept any contrary info. e.g. The troll (Defensor Fideli) I mean people like that make me ashamed to be a Christian. The nice thing about being tolerant, is that no matter what religion is actually correct (obviously I think mine is) I probably will go to the equivalent of Purgatory, unless of course my religion is correct as I believe it is. Then I will be going to hell. ;) jk

Well then I think you need to expand your poetic experiences. Because there are much, much, much better works of poetry out there. Pick up anything by Shakespeare, and it'll be poetic, even if it's written in prose, though odds are it's in iambic pentametre; or read the Rubáiyát of Omar Khayyám Both are pretty damn awesome. I could come up with many other incredible poets and/or works of poetry if you're interested. Though for some reason I'm doubtful.


I'd call you a bastard who doesn't understand paganism at all. I can justify this discrimination. I have met plenty of fundie Christians that have pissed the hell out of me. I have never met a pagan that I disliked, and have never seen their religions as negative in any way. The two belief systems are fundamentally different. Not to say that I dislike Christianity, I just dislike some Christians.

I for one love Shakepeare. I am a very poetic person. I will be sure to look into those works you mentioned. You shouldn't doubt things. Especially shouldn't doubt things based on people you don't know.

And maybe it is because I know a lot of paganism that I would want to bash them? That was hypothetical. Does not reflect my true feelings at all.

The question was a hypothetical question. And you have answered me the way I thought most people would.

I would never bash a Pagan. I would never bash anyone of any religion, or any religion for that matter.

I was conducting an experiment. Are you saying if you have justifications you're allowed to bash other religions?

Would you call someone who bashed Christianity a bastard as well?

What about someone who bashed any other religion?

See what I'm getting at?

I'll probablly see you there then, I hear you need to be a nice person to get into heaven.

Not according to Christianity.

Wicca doesn't have hell, heaven, or purgatory. There is the Summer Land where the soul rests and renews until it's time to come back ( and no reincarnation is not mandatory ) -

However, as far as I am concerned, the greatest curse I can lay is "and don't come back!"

I'll probablly see you there then, I hear you need to be a nice person to get into heaven.
I hear you need to trust in Jesus to get into heaven.

I for one love Shakepeare. I am a very poetic person. I will be sure to look into those works you mentioned. You shouldn't doubt things. Especially shouldn't doubt things based on people you don't know.
I was just assuming that anyone who called the Bible poetic doesn't like real poetry. Apparently there is at least one exception.

And maybe it is because I know a lot of paganism that I would want to bash them?
Impossible. If you know a lot about paganism, then you will have no reason to bash them.

That was hypothetical. Does not reflect my true feelings at all.
I know. Note that I used the word "I'd", as in "I would".

The question was a hypothetical question. And you have answered me the way I thought most people would.
And I knew what you were looking for, and intentionally answered that way, primarily to be obnoxious.

Would you call someone who bashed Christianity a bastard as well?
Not a bastard, but I would call them uninformed. I'm against fundie Christians, not Christianity myself.

I hear you need to trust in Jesus to get into heaven.
Or, rather, believe in his divinity.

Or, rather, believe in his divinity.
The Bible quote that comes to mind is:
"If you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation." (Romans 10:9-10)
"Lord" here is "Kyrie" in the original Greek, and was used in the Septuagint (first translation of Old Testament into Greek) for the divine name YHWH, so Paul is saying that Jesus is God. The heart is not just representative of emotion here, but of intellect and will as well.

If an island is undiscovered for years and years, and the people don't believew in Jesus because they have had no possible oppurtunity to do so, do they go to Hell? That would seem a bit unfair. Also in regard to the Pagan faith, do all people go to the "Summer Land"? or just Pagans? I really would like to know.

If an island is undiscovered for years and years, and the people don't believew in Jesus because they have had no possible oppurtunity to do so, do they go to Hell? That would seem a bit unfair. Also in regard to the Pagan faith, do all people go to the "Summer Land"? or just Pagans? I really would like to know.

Everyone goes to Summerland, because that's the only place there is to wait before you're reincarnated...

Everyone goes to Summerland, because that's the only place there is to wait before you're reincarnated...

Huh, that's interesting, so while it seems that the Pagans include everyone in their after/before life Christians exclude a large chunk of people, or rather send them to a fiery death pit. lovely.

Huh, that's interesting, so while it seems that the Pagans include everyone in their after/before life Christians exclude a large chunk of people, or rather send them to a fiery death pit. lovely.

Well, we don't believe in any form of salvation, so there's nothing to condemn. Of course, the threefold rule follows you no matter what, so if it doesn't have a chance to bite you in this ass this go-round, it'll get you in the next.

Huh, that's interesting, so while it seems that the Pagans include everyone in their after/before life Christians exclude a large chunk of people, or rather send them to a fiery death pit. lovely.
Hey, we don't make the rules, we think God's revealing His rules to us.
Same with the tribe on the island that never hears about Jesus, or, indeed, everyone who lived before He was born in Bethlehem. God is just, God is wise, so God decides. I think there's hints in the Bible that He takes into consideration the information that people had access to when He makes His decision (see Romans 2:9-16, or, better yet, the whole letter of Paul to the Romans).

I ponder...

I don't believe in any organized religion but accept all people's religions as long as people don't act elitist in their beliefs.

I believe in the ideal of karma, where what I do will affect me in the end in some fashion.

While I personally believe in some sort of afterlife I am not sure what would await me there and speculation as to its existance really doesn't bother me in the least.

I have a friend who is a Wiccan, another who is some form of catholisism (spelling, and I don't tend to ask about religion so I don't know the exact one) and another who has open views such as myself. We all accept each other's differences and we are most excellent friends.

Why is it so hard for others to simply be tolerant and get along...I'm not asking people to be best friends or anything but a simple bit of compassion for each other's beliefs isn't so much to ask.

Anyways, if someone believes the other person is going to "Hell" or whatever, why bother making fun of them if their gonna suffer for eternity anyways? Seems kinda redundant eh? I wonder what believing that would "get me" in the case of most religions.

If an island is undiscovered for years and years, and the people don't believew in Jesus because they have had no possible oppurtunity to do so, do they go to Hell? That would seem a bit unfair. Also in regard to the Pagan faith, do all people go to the "Summer Land"? or just Pagans? I really would like to know.

Thats one question I've always had, no one can give me a straight answer, I always get "It's our job to bring the knowledge to them", I can sorta understand that, but its also not fair. That's one reason why I try to stay away from organized relegion. And the other, is somthing my old pastor told me, when I was 17. I dont remember the exact words, but the gist of it was: "We dont try to reach kids, because the old people pay more tithes then young people". I dont think I've been to church since then.

I was just assuming that anyone who called the Bible poetic doesn't like real poetry. Apparently there is at least one exception.


Impossible. If you know a lot about paganism, then you will have no reason to bash them.


I know. Note that I used the word "I'd", as in "I would".


And I knew what you were looking for, and intentionally answered that way, primarily to be obnoxious.


Not a bastard, but I would call them uninformed. I'm against fundie Christians, not Christianity myself.

If people knew enough about Christianity there would be no reason to bash it.

So how come someone who bashes paganism is a bastard but if someone bashed Christianity they aren't?

Huh, that's interesting, so while it seems that the Pagans include everyone in their after/before life Christians exclude a large chunk of people, or rather send them to a fiery death pit. lovely.


Think of it this way. Should you inprison criminals? Or should you give them the freedom to live in the country with you?

Sin is a crime against God.

If people knew enough about Christianity there would be no reason to bash it.

So how come someone who bashes paganism is a bastard but if someone bashed Christianity they aren't?


Maybe if some of its followers knew enough about it, then they wouldn't go around pulling shit like Defensor did, and then we wouldn't have a reason to bash THEM.

Thats one question I've always had, no one can give me a straight answer, I always get "It's our job to bring the knowledge to them", I can sorta understand that, but its also not fair. That's one reason why I try to stay away from organized relegion. And the other, is somthing my old pastor told me, when I was 17. I dont remember the exact words, but the gist of it was: "We dont try to reach kids, because the old people pay more tithes then young people". I dont think I've been to church since then.

Well. You would have to study into Christianity for a good answer on this.

Basicly this is why we as Christians are suppose to spread the Gospel to everyone. God chooses people and puts in their hearts the idea to go to places and preach. Not everything is fair. Life isn't fair. We all know this. We are sinners. We are criminals in the eyes of God. If you want fair than God would just let everyone go to hell because that is the punishment of sin. However, God is merciful and he gives us the chance to repent and go to heaven and be with him. He wants everyone to go to heaven. It is true that there are communities that don't hear about God. But eventually God will put it in the hearts of saved men and women so that they will go there and save them.

I think most people turn away from Christianity because they were taught wrongly. You're pastors aren't always right. In fact many times they're wrong. Include priest and other religious heads. I mean they ARE human. Many of them have turned away from God as regular members have. Whenever you hear a pastor speak, you should always consult the bible on the truth.

Well. You would have to study into Christianity for a good answer on this.

Basicly this is why we as Christians are suppose to spread the Gospel to everyone. God chooses people and puts in their hearts the idea to go to places and preach. Not everything is fair. Life isn't fair. We all know this. We are sinners. We are criminals in the eyes of God. If you want fair than God would just let everyone go to hell because that is the punishment of sin. However, God is merciful and he gives us the chance to repent and go to heaven and be with him. He wants everyone to go to heaven. It is true that there are communities that don't hear about God. But eventually God will put it in the hearts of saved men and women so that they will go there and save them.

I think most people turn away from Christianity because they were taught wrongly. You're pastors aren't always right. In fact many times they're wrong. Include priest and other religious heads. I mean they ARE human. Many of them have turned away from God as regular members have. Whenever you hear a pastor speak, you should always consult the bible on the truth.


There are also contradictions in the translation of the Bible; this is another thing that turns people away.

Maybe if some of its followers knew enough about it, then they wouldn't go around pulling shit like Defensor did, and then we wouldn't have a reason to bash THEM.

Like I said. Is bashing ok when you have reason?

There are also contradictions in the translation of the Bible; this is another thing that turns people away.

Like what?

Like I said. Is bashing ok when you have reason?

If you're bashing that one person, or preferably the ignorant things that person said, I don't see anything wrong with it.

Like what?

Different versions are translated in different ways, and this has a tendency to confuse people. It seems odd to some when one Bible has a certain word, and another has a totally different one.

Different versions are translated in different ways, and this has a tendency to confuse people. It seems odd to some when one Bible has a certain word, and another has a totally different one.

Do you have specific examples?

Also. Every translation is like that. I'm sure the Koran has several weird translations. I know for a fact many Confucious translations are just weird.

There has been studies done and shown there are only slight differences in the translation of the Bible.

http://www.victorious.org/translat.htm

BTW. I just want to say I LOVE YOUR USERNAME!

ANYWAYS....

This thread is about Paganism...so uhh...off the topic of Christianity...

Sorry...I know...I started it...bad me...

Do you have specific examples?

Also. Every translation is like that. I'm sure the Koran has several weird translations. I know for a fact many Confucious translations are just weird.

There has been studies done and shown there are only slight differences in the translation of the Bible.

http://www.victorious.org/translat.htm

BTW. I just want to say I LOVE YOUR USERNAME!

Thank you, and thanks for admitting you're off-topic. ^_^

Thank goodness my school for the most part doesn't get all uppity about these issues...we all play nicely and don't insult one another about religious stuff.

Well, except one time when someone said I was going to Hell because I didn't believe that Satan inhabits people's bodies when they do violent things... :p

John J. Robinson in A Pilgrim's Path, pp. 47-48 explains:

"Lucifer makes his appearance in the fourteenth chapter of the Old Testament book of Isaiah, at the twelfth verse, and nowhere else: "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!"
The first problem is that Lucifer is a Latin name. So how did it find its way into a Hebrew manuscript, written before there was a Roman language? To find the answer, I consulted a scholar at the library of the Hebrew Union College in Cincinnati. What Hebrew name, I asked, was Satan given in this chapter of Isaiah, which describes the angel who fell to become the ruler of hell?

The answer was a surprise. In the original Hebrew text, the fourteenth chapter of Isaiah is not about a fallen angel, but about a fallen Babylonian king, who during his lifetime had persecuted the children of Israel. It contains no mention of Satan, either by name or reference. The Hebrew scholar could only speculate that some early Christian scribes, writing in the Latin tongue used by the Church, had decided for themselves that they wanted the story to be about a fallen angel, a creature not even mentioned in the original Hebrew text, and to whom they gave the name "Lucifer."

Why Lucifer? In Roman astronomy, Lucifer was the name given to the morning star (the star we now know by another Roman name, Venus). The morning star appears in the heavens just before dawn, heralding the rising sun. The name derives from the Latin term lucem ferre, bringer, or bearer, of light." In the Hebrew text the expression used to describe the Babylonian king before his death is Helal, son of Shahar, which can best be translated as "Day star, son of the Dawn." The name evokes the golden glitter of a proud king's dress and court (much as his personal splendor earned for King Louis XIV of France the appellation, "The Sun King").

The scholars authorized by ... King James I to translate the Bible into current English did not use the original Hebrew texts, but used versions translated ... largely by St. Jerome in the fourth century. Jerome had mistranslated the Hebraic metaphor, "Day star, son of the Dawn," as "Lucifer," and over the centuries a metamorphosis took place. Lucifer the morning star became a disobedient angel, cast out of heaven to rule eternally in hell. Theologians, writers, and poets interwove the myth with the doctrine of the Fall, and in Christian tradition Lucifer is now the same as Satan, the Devil, and --- ironically --- the Prince of Darkness.

So "Lucifer" is nothing more than an ancient Latin name for the morning star, the bringer of light. That can be confusing for Christians who identify Christ himself as the morning star, a term used as a central theme in many Christian sermons. Jesus refers to himself as the morning star in Revelation 22:16: "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."

And so there are those who do not read beyond the King James version of the Bible, who say 'Lucifer is Satan: so says the Word of God'...."

the longass post (see above) is spam.

Now, to continue the discussion...what were we talking about?

I was conducting an experiment. Are you saying if you have justifications you're allowed to bash other religions?
I tend to bash Christianity because people seem to follow it so blindly.
I bash it and poke it and shake it to see if anything useful falls out.
I want people to understand exactly what it is they are believing. I want them to know where the problems are, and work through them. Faith should not be blind.
I don't bash pagans much at all, because most of them have come to paganism by working through the problems that they have with other religions, and have found all the aspects of them that they like. They generally have a very good grasp of why their religion works the way it does.

"Do what you will, only harm none" is the best creed I've ever encountered.

the longass post (see above) is spam.

Now, to continue the discussion...what were we talking about?
Sorry, I didn't realise that the cut and paste would end up so long...
I was just trying to illustrate that those who often accuse pagans of being devil worshippers, don't even understand the nature of the devil of their own religion

I tend to bash Christianity because people seem to follow it so blindly.
I bash it and poke it and shake it to see if anything useful falls out.
I want people to understand exactly what it is they are believing. I want them to know where the problems are, and work through them. Faith should not be blind.
I don't bash pagans much at all, because most of them have come to paganism by working through the problems that they have with other religions, and have found all the aspects of them that they like. They generally have a very good grasp of why their religion works the way it does.

"Do what you will, only harm none" is the best creed I've ever encountered.

There's difference between bashing and criticizing. There's a difference between bashing and questioning faith.

Sorry, I didn't realise that the cut and paste would end up so long...
I was just trying to illustrate that those who often accuse pagans of being devil worshippers, don't even understand the nature of the devil of their own religion


good point, long post. *shrug* no big deal

Sorry, I didn't realise that the cut and paste would end up so long...
I was just trying to illustrate that those who often accuse pagans of being devil worshippers, don't even understand the nature of the devil of their own religion

Correct. If you asked your average Christian about what the devil looked like, the most common answer would be the demon with pointed tail, horns and pitchfork. The truth is that he is the most beautiful of all the angels. There is nothing in the bible that says otherwise. In regard to bashing, a lot of christiansa have their head shoved so far up their asses, that it is rather hard not to bash them.

Correct. If you asked your average Christian about what the devil looked like, the most common answer would be the demon with pointed tail, horns and pitchfork. The truth is that he is the most beautiful of all the angels. There is nothing in the bible that says otherwise. In regard to bashing, a lot of christiansa have their head shoved so far up their asses, that it is rather hard not to bash them.

It really goes back to an argument of stereotypes.

Also if you asked a TRUE Christian they probably would know that the "devil" was the most beautiful angel.

I'm saying TRUE Christian in terms of the bible.

ALSO...ONCE AGAIN!!!!

Off topic...

Correct. If you asked your average Christian about what the devil looked like, the most common answer would be the demon with pointed tail, horns and pitchfork. The truth is that he is the most beautiful of all the angels. There is nothing in the bible that says otherwise. In regard to bashing, a lot of christiansa have their head shoved so far up their asses, that it is rather hard not to bash them.
The usual image of the devil is basically that of a satyr. I guess it's because the Christians are so hung up about sex. Poor them...

The usual image of the devil is basically that of a satyr. I guess it's because the Christians are so hung up about sex. Poor them...

Pagans don't get hung up on sex; we embrace it--maybe sometimes too willingly, but hey, as long as it's legal..

The usual image of the devil is basically that of a satyr. I guess it's because the Christians are so hung up about sex. Poor them...

I am a Christian and I don't get hung up on sex. I know many Christians who don't. I have always been taught that the "devil" was a fallen angel.

The usual image of the devil is basically that of a satyr. I guess it's because the Christians are so hung up about sex. Poor them...
Oops, replying to my own post.. very bad form...
Just wanted to say that I've always found pagans in their various forms to have _the_ healthiest of attitudes towards the human body.
I'd be a pagan, if I wasn't quite so atheistic.
At least you guys aren't shoving stuff in my face trying to make me convert. I like that.

Oops, replying to my own post.. very bad form...
Just wanted to say that I've always found pagans in their various forms to have _the_ healthiest of attitudes towards the human body.
I'd be a pagan, if I wasn't quite so atheistic.
At least you guys aren't shoving stuff in my face trying to make me convert. I like that.

I command you to convert to Christianity or I will put a voodoo curse on you! Fear me! My curse will kill you and then you will burn in the lowest circles of Hell for all eternity.

Pagans are people who come from the Burmese town of Pagan, situated on the Irrawaddy south east of Mandalay it used to be big for the Buddhists. The modern use of the word pagan refers to those people who choose not to subscribe to any of the main world religions. Or, those who identify spiritually with nature.
Either way, y'all should be nicer to the folks from Burma.
Fwib out.

I command you to convert to Christianity or I will put a voodoo curse on you! Fear me! My curse will kill you and then you will burn in the lowest circles of Hell for all eternity.
LOL... At least I'll finally get a tan...=o)

Man, we so need to get a Druid to post on this thread.

word, one right here

Pagans are people who come from the Burmese town of Pagan, situated on the Irrawaddy south east of Mandalay it used to be big for the Buddhists. The modern use of the word pagan refers to those people who choose not to subscribe to any of the main world religions. Or, those who identify spiritually with nature.
Either way, y'all should be nicer to the folks from Burma.
Fwib out.
That is complete bullsh*t. The word "pagan" comes from the Latin paganus, civilian or country dweller, which was derived from pagus, country district.

word, one right here
And how many of the tales have you memorised by heart in the proper Celtic tongue? A true druid takes up to 20 years in training and a mentor to actually become one.

That is complete bullsh*t. The word "pagan" comes from the Latin paganus, civilian or country dweller, which was derived from pagus, country district.


And how many of the tales have you memorised by heart in the proper Celtic tongue? A true druid takes up to 20 years in training and a mentor to actually become one.

Yes. But in video games it takes at most a couple of days!

Yes. But in video games it takes at most a couple of days!

You can also do a restart from your last autosave if something nasty kills you. Damn I wish life was really like a video game. Now that would be cool!

That is complete bullsh*t. The word "pagan" comes from the Latin paganus, civilian or country dweller, which was derived from pagus, country district.


And how many of the tales have you memorised by heart in the proper Celtic tongue? A true druid takes up to 20 years in training and a mentor to actually become one.

It doesn't take that long to make a druid in D&D.

I command you to convert to Christianity or I will put a voodoo curse on you! Fear me! My curse will kill you and then you will burn in the lowest circles of Hell for all eternity.

Damn, I forgot to ask, do you want fries with that? I am such a lousy fast food worker.

Damn, I forgot to ask, do you want fries with that? I am such a lousy fast food worker.

Also, do you want to supersize that? 200% more eternal damnation for a only 0.50 cents more. ;)

You can also do a restart from your last autosave if something nasty kills you. Damn I wish life was really like a video game. Now that would be cool!


Yeah. Whoa...I would totally want to hold an actual needler in my hand...

Whoa...I could be a pagan convenant!

I'll probablly see you there then, I hear you need to be a nice person to get into heaven.

I hope not, if so I am definetly going to hell. I am often a highly sarcastic jackass. Also, I enjoy taunting people who think they are all that (at my school) especially by insulting them with words they have no idea what the hell I am talking about.

I hope not, if so I am definetly going to hell. I am often a highly sarcastic jackass. Also, I enjoy taunting people who think they are all that (at my school) especially by insulting them with words they have no idea what the hell I am talking about.

Well. According to Christianity it doesn't necessarily mean you'll go to hell.

I think according to some pagan beliefs everyone is reincarnated. I'm not exactly sure. Many people in this post have mentioned something to that affect.

Original Hebrew translation by the JPS of Tehillim 95:

95:1 O come, let us sing unto the Lord; let us shout for joy to the Rock of our salvation.
95:2 Let us come before His presence with thanksgiving, let us shout for joy unto Him with psalms.
95:3 For the Lord is a great God, and a great King above all gods;
95:4 In whose hand are the depths of the earth; the heights of the mountains are His also.
95:5 The sea is His, and He made it; and His hands formed the dry land.
95:6 O come, let us bow down and bend the knee; let us kneel before the Lord our Maker;
95:7 For He is our God, and we are the people of His pasture, and the flock of His hand. To-day, if ye would but hearken to His voice!
95:8 'Harden not your heart, as at Meribah, as in the day of Massah in the wilderness;
95:9 When your fathers tried Me, proved Me, even though they saw My work.
95:10 For forty years was I wearied with that generation, and said: It is a people that do err in their heart, and they have not known My ways;
95:11 Wherefore I swore in My wrath, that they should not enter into My rest.'

Care to explain why you've got additional lines, Gentile? Or will you just keep ignoring the truth ... just like the troll you are?


I don't suppose that the translator of YOUR version could have left something OUT for some reason... NAH... that could NEVER happen... Pagans are always honest, and never twist things for their own ends.

I don't suppose that the translator of YOUR version could have left something OUT for some reason... NAH... that could NEVER happen... Pagans are always honest, and never twist things for their own ends.

Dude, don't be insulting anyone who has insulted the troll. The troll made a mockery of all the Christian beliefs of tolerance. He said in one post that you basically could go to hell for befriending a pagan.

This is off topic, but have you noticed that some Christians don't realize rthat Catholics are Christians? Even though you will find that Catholics were the original (or one of the original) group of christians.

Mahometans, Hindoos, Buddhists, and "Confucians" are all pagans.
Jews, are of course in their own class...
And what class might that be, Adolf?

And what class might that be, Adolf?
Adolf?

hitler you dumbass

Adolf?

noooooooooooooooooooooo! The troll has returned! Hide all intelligent conversation lest he ruin it forever!

P.S. Please do not feed the troll. a.k.a. ignore him if he is a di*k#ad