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Seeing as there's so many topics that seem to start with someone yelling Americans! Do this do that ect. I was wondering what a American really is. Can you define one to me?

An American is someone who lives in the United States of America.

An American is someone who lives in the United States of America.
Hehehe! Muy bueno, amigo! ( high fives )

An American is someone who lives in the United States of America.
That pretty much sums it up.

Hehehe! Muy bueno, amigo! ( high fives )
*High fives Eutrusca*
It seemed like the easiest explanation. I bet the guy wanted something else though.

An American is someone who lives in the United States of America.Unfortunately, that's also what it means to me. What it really should mean is someone living in either North or South America, but I wonder if that's ever been the best recognized meaning of the word. It's the same thing in other languages as well, the Finnish word "amerikkalainen" (lit. translation of American) also mostly means people living in USA.

Yes. The technical definition of the word is someone living in the America's (North and South America) but that meaning has become corrupted.

I'm sure it's possible to say "North and/or South Americans" and get your point across. I'm not sure what Americans would call themselves if it wasn't "Americans". "United States Americans" is too drawn out for daily use, and US'ers doesn't sound like an actual word, just slang.

well, as I said, it is much to late, and an unrealistic proposition to think that it could be changed, but a possibility would be perhaps say "I am from the U.S" or "That typewriter/car/pie is from the U.S."

But as I said, to late to change.

It would be just like the time you guys tried to ban alchohol.

Man, we got soooo rich then.....

If youre from finland just say "jenkki" (lit. Yankee).

Some people also say "idiot" but, while usually being accurate (no offense :D ), it means most of the people in world. Including me.

Ok, dictionary.com comes up with this...
1. A native or inhabitant of America.
2. A citizen of the United States.

As far as I can see that is the full definition for an American.
I know I'm living in Scotland right now, but my dad is from there, and I was born there, and I'm coming back the 26th! :D

Americans are broad-minded people. They'll accept the fact that a person can be an alcoholic, a dope fiend, a wife beater, and even a newspaperman, but if a man doesn't drive there's something wrong with him.
- Art Buchwald

An American is a person who demonstrates against a new power plant, then goes home and flips on all the lights, turns up the air conditioner, puts a tape in the stereo, opens the refrigerator door, plugs in the coffee maker and sits down to see if the television cameras caught him protesting.
- Wendell Trogdon

"A citizen of America will cross the ocean to fight for democracy, but won't cross the street to vote in a national election."
- Bill Vaughan

Americans are broad-minded people. They'll accept the fact that a person can be an alcoholic, a dope fiend, a wife beater, and even a newspaperman, but if a man doesn't drive there's something wrong with him.
- Art Buchwald

An American is a person who demonstrates against a new power plant, then goes home and flips on all the lights, turns up the air conditioner, puts a tape in the stereo, opens the refrigerator door, plugs in the coffee maker and sits down to see if the television cameras caught him protesting.
- Wendell Trogdon

"A citizen of America will cross the ocean to fight for democracy, but won't cross the street to vote in a national election."
- Bill Vaughan



those are all very nice, but you imply that americans are just the people from the U.S. which is what we are arguing about, but you give no argument.

"Americans will always do the right thing, once they've exausted all the other options"

Winston Churchill

Yes. The technical definition of the word is someone living in the America's (North and South America) but that meaning has become corrupted.

The term has both definitions. This IS allowed in the English language you know. Just like calling someone a dick could refer to his/her job as a detective, a farmer discussing his cock may just relate to his poultry, or calling people gay could refer to their happy attitude...

And it is, after all, the United States of American's who define themselves using this term resulting in it become an accepted definition.


Although why they couldn't just stick with the old "yankee imperialist pig-dog" designation is beyond me.... :p

The citzens of the U.S. were the first americans. That is why our citzens are called americans. It is the samething in asia. When you say asian you don't think the Russians or the people from India. You think of the Chinease, Koreans, Japanese, Mongolians, and others that live in asia. They were stable governments before Russia or India. Just like the other countries that came after the United States.

The citzens of the U.S. were the first americans. That is why our citzens are called americans.

Arrogence. The first Americans were the native Americans.

The citzens of the U.S. were the first americans. That is why our citzens are called americans. It is the samething in asia. When you say asian you don't think the Russians or the people from India. You think of the Chinease, Koreans, Japanese, Mongolians, and others that live in asia. They were stable governments before Russia or India. Just like the other countries that came after the United States.


Errr... you are suggesting that the British colonies and/or pilgrims were the first settlements in the Americas? Or just the first people to CALL themselves "American"?

If you are suggesting the first, let me suggest you take up a new hobby. It's called "education".

Well most of the whites are Europes rejects the political malcontents we could not be arsed with. The blacks are ex slaves.

Face it most "Americans" as in the USA are a bunch of rejects from all over.

The modern American is a small minded bigot that thinks the USA is the start and end of the world. They have little or no grasp of what goes on in the world.

They think the Christian religion is the be all and end all and think that those who do not go to church are strange. A nation that allows you to own a gun but hates to see a womans brest on TV. Where "the moral majority" keep the poor, poor by having a poor education system.

These arfe not the ramblings of some one who knows no Americans I have worked and lived there as well as being on holiday. I have suffered the USA military for most of my life. On that point I would love to see a war that America starts get finished effectivly where they do not need Great Britian's assistance!

Gets off soap box

Errr... you are suggesting that the British colonies and/or pilgrims were the first settlements in the Americas? Or just the first people to CALL themselves "American"?

If you are suggesting the first, let me suggest you take up a new hobby. It's called "education".
This came from another thread. He means it was the first accepted nation in the Americas by the Europeans. Not the first people in America.

Wait a fing minitue. When I said first americans I meant first reconized country. I think it was terrible that natives were killed in what I think was a genocide. But the U.S. was the first nation reconized by europe. So therefore we were the first americans and made it that we are americans. For the people that a called me arrogant and uneducated are really the stupid ones for not evening asking me what I meant and assuming (ass-u-me) that I meant the pilgrims were the first. So next time ask before you jump to a conclusion.

This came from another thread. He means it was the first accepted nation in the Americas by the Europeans. Not the first people in America.That's a horrible excuse for calling people living in the US the only Americans, especially with the example he/she then gave of Asia. The people who first lived in America were the first Americans. By the time the continent(s) was(/were) first called America, there were several different peoples living there -- the Native Americans (/First Nations/Indians/whatever) were the majority by far. And there wasn't a sovereign nationstate in America for 270 years.

The roots of the word refer to the area, not to a nation, just like Asia(n), Europe(an), Africa(n), etc. I bet the word was used well before USA became a sovereign nationstate, meaning the people who lived in America then. I'm not saying the meaning has been "perverted" or "corrupted" or anything, but it has obviously changed. Personally, I'd rather have it mean people who live in the Americas to avoid confusion and have another word/phrase for people who live in USA specifically.

The citzens of the U.S. were the first americans. That is why our citzens are called americans. It is the samething in asia. When you say asian you don't think the Russians or the people from India. You think of the Chinease, Koreans, Japanese, Mongolians, and others that live in asia. They were stable governments before Russia or India. Just like the other countries that came after the United States.

Russia has been a nation for well over a millenia. And were it not for competing colonial powers the same could be said for India. Personally when I think of Asians I think of people from all areas of the continent. And I'm not aware of China or Korea having stable governments for very long. Communist revolution anyone?.

This came from another thread. He means it was the first accepted nation in the Americas by the Europeans. Not the first people in America.

Regardless, the point being that if they wound up being refered to as "Americans" it was by their choice - not for an external reason. Had they elected to call their country something else they might logically have wound up with a diferent nickname for their citizens.

They decided to call their new nation the United Stated of America, and to refer to themselves as Americans. No external influence on that designation ever occurred.

That's a horrible excuse for calling people living in the US the only Americans, especially with the example he/she then gave of Asia. The people who first lived in America were the first Americans. By the time the continent(s) was(/were) first called America, there were several different peoples living there -- the Native Americans (/First Nations/Indians/whatever) were the majority by far. And there wasn't a sovereign nationstate in America for 270 years.

The roots of the word refer to the area, not to a nation, just like Asia(n), Europe(an), Africa(n), etc. Edit]I bet the word was used well before USA became a sovereign nationstate, meaning the people who lived there then. I'm not saying the meaning has been "perverted" or "corrupted" or anything, but it has obviously changed. Personally, I'd rather have it mean people who live in the Americas to avoid confusion and have another word/phrase for people who live in USA specifically.[/Edit]
I think you miss his point. People from the US are called that because they were the first accepted nation in the Americas. It does not matter who was there first according to his theory.

Regardless, the point being that if they wound up being refered to as "Americans" it was by their choice - not for an external reason. Had they elected to call their country something else they might logically have wound up with a diferent nickname for their citizens.

They decided to call their new nation the United Stated of America, and to refer to themselves as Americans. No external influence on that designation ever occurred.
No external reasons? Who called it America? Who actually came up with the term "Americans"?

What would you call a people who live in a country called the United States of America? American is the easy noun/adjective that comes to mind.

Well most of the whites are Europes rejects the political malcontents we could not be arsed with. The blacks are ex slaves.

Face it most "Americans" as in the USA are a bunch of rejects from all over.

The modern American is a small minded bigot that thinks the USA is the start and end of the world. They have little or no grasp of what goes on in the world.

They think the Christian religion is the be all and end all and think that those who do not go to church are strange. A nation that allows you to own a gun but hates to see a womans brest on TV. Where "the moral majority" keep the poor, poor by having a poor education system.

These arfe not the ramblings of some one who knows no Americans I have worked and lived there as well as being on holiday. I have suffered the USA military for most of my life. On that point I would love to see a war that America starts get finished effectivly where they do not need Great Britian's assistance!

Gets off soap box


You are the worse bigot of them all. If it wasn't for the U.S. assistence in World War II the chances are the people of Great Britian would be saying heil hitler. What you just said is true arrogence. Plus you are the guys that lossed a war to a bunch of nobodies. Not once but twice, so I wouldn't be talking. On top of that I personally am a Agnostic and think seeing a woman's boob is a good thing. So you aren't talking about me. But you are talking about my fellow misguided americans. I only have the right to criticzed them and other americans. Anyone else doesn't unless you become a citizen, because it seems the rest of the world can't get thier act together. So until you can you can't even begin to.

P.S. I think the U.S. has a lot of faults. As Former VP Agnew said "The United States of America is the best country in the nation.

I think you miss his point. People from the US are called that because they were the first accepted nation in the Americas. It does not matter who was there first according to his theory.I must be missing his point, because I still can't see why being the first sovereign nation on the continent acknowledged by English-speakers has anything to do with the word "American".

As to why "American" about a person does usually mean "Someone living in the US", I think Zeppistan put it well enough. They have called and continue to call themselves that, on a regular enough basis that is has stuck to us non-Americans (by any definition) as well.

I must be missing his point, because I still can't see why being the first sovereign nation on the continent acknowledged by English-speakers has anything to do with the word "American".

As to why "American" about a person does usually mean "Someone living in the US", I think Zeppistan put it well enough. They have called and continue to call themselves that, on a regular enough basis that is has stuck to us non-Americans (by any definition) as well.
They called themselves that because they were the first nation free of European ties (excluding the natives) in America and there was not a better option. What would you call someone from a nation named the United States of America?

They called themselves that because they were the first nation free of European ties (excluding the natives) in America and there was not a better option. What would you call someone from a nation named the United States of America?

The answer is simple. I would refer to them as "People from that nation you are most likely at war with, yes that's the one."

Yes. The technical definition of the word is someone living in the America's (North and South America) but that meaning has become corrupted.
No, that is not correct. American's can live in Europe, Asia, Australia or even Antarctica, just the same as Englisn, French or Africans. Where someone resides does not determine their nationality or ancestory.

An American is someone who lives in the United States of America.


An American is someone who is a Citizen of America not just anyone who lives here.

Americans are broad-minded people. They'll accept the fact that a person can be an alcoholic, a dope fiend, a wife beater, and even a newspaperman, but if a man doesn't drive there's something wrong with him.
- Art Buchwald

I'm an American but I don't accept alcoholics, dope fiends, or wife beaters. Journalism is a job classification so I don't believe it should be included in this list.

An American is a person who demonstrates against a new power plant, then goes home and flips on all the lights, turns up the air conditioner, puts a tape in the stereo, opens the refrigerator door, plugs in the coffee maker and sits down to see if the television cameras caught him protesting.
- Wendell Trogdon

You shouldn't generalize what you believe us to be. I'm always flipping
lights off.

"A citizen of America will cross the ocean to fight for democracy, but won't cross the street to vote in a national election."
- Bill Vaughan

I am a Veteran and a Registered Voter who voted against George Bush in
the last two elections.

No, that is not correct. American's can live in Europe, Asia, Australia or even Antarctica, just the same as Englisn, French or Africans. Where someone resides does not determine their nationality or ancestory.Yes, a citizen of USA living temporarily in Europe would probably often be called an American by the people of the country he happens to live in. But someone who is legally a citizen of the US who simply has lived in the UK (specifically in England) for most of his life, say 30 years out of 40, would probably be called English or British by most non-English and non-British people, and certainly by many people who have lived in the US for most of their lives.

The fact is, in common usage of general terms, legal definitions like citizens are nowhere near as important as easily distinguishing features such as physiology (thus a descendant of "pure" Vietnamese parents who is completely integrated into mainstream Finnish culture would still often be called Asian or even Vietnamese) or the way they act (i.e. culture). That's why "Someone living in the US" works better than "Citizen of the US".

No, that is not correct. American's can live in Europe, Asia, Australia or even Antarctica, just the same as Englisn, French or Africans. Where someone resides does not determine their nationality or ancestory.

I have no problem with people of North & South America calling themselves
Americans .... however I am surprised that they would want to at this time in
history when there is so much hatred of anyone using the name regardless of
any other facts.

Yes, a citizen of USA living temporarily in Europe would probably often be called an American by the people of the country he happens to live in. But someone who is legally a citizen of the US who simply has lived in the UK (specifically in England) for most of his life, say 30 years out of 40, would probably be called English or British by most non-English and non-British people, and certainly by many people who have lived in the US for most of their lives.

The fact is, in common usage of general terms, legal definitions like citizens are nowhere near as important as easily distinguishing features such as physiology (thus a descendant of "pure" Vietnamese parents who is completely integrated into mainstream Finnish culture would still often be called Asian or even Vietnamese) or the way they act (i.e. culture). That's why "Someone living in the US" works better than "Citizen of the US".

I will qualify this....

I disagree, an American from the United States is someone who is a Citizen of America not just anyone who lives here. Legally you must be a Citizen to be considered American by U.S. Law. Likewise you would have
to follow the law of the land even in other countries of the America's.

I disagree, an American is someone who is a Citizen of America not just anyone who lives here. Legally you must be a Citizen to be considered
American by Law.Well, uhh, yeah, to be considered a Citizen of the United States of America by law, you have to legally be a Citizen of the United States of America. The discussion, however, is about the common use of the word "American" and what it refers to in that use. In common usage, at least outside of the US, the English word "American" refers more commonly to people who you would culturally group with "Americans" (which basically means people who either do live in the US or have lived there for most of their lives) than it does to people who are legally citizens of USA.

In a sense, the word "American" is more commonly used in the way Merriam-Webster defines the adjective ("of or relating to the U.S. or its possessions or original territory" among other things) than the way M-W defines the noun ("a citizen of the U.S." among other things).

Again I am surprised that other people of the America's would want to be
known as Americans at this time in history when there is so much hatred of anyone using the name.

An amercian is somebody who is willing to defend out country.
If they don't defend our country then they are...well...
from canada

Again I am surprised that other people of the America's would want to be
known as Americans at this time in history when there is so much hatred of anyone using the name.Was that addressed at me? That has nothing to do with what I'm saying.

The citzens of the U.S. were the first americans. That is why our citzens are called americans..the Citizens of Bolivia were the first Americans.

and they are called Americans too, just like the Citizens of Peru and Ecuador.

I sure that the fact that I voted against bush in both of his elections wouldn't keep me being killed by Terrorist factions if I travelled to the
wrong area of the world these days. Just the fact that I am an American
would be the only consideration in their minds. So why would you all wish
to put yourselves in that position by calling yourselves Americans?

Was that addressed at me? That has nothing to do with what I'm saying.



Sure it does .... calling yourself an American these days can get you killed
insome parts of the world.

An amercian is somebody who is willing to defend out country.
If they don't defend our country then they are...well...
from canada

George Bush is not amercian...

neither are most Republican Congresmen...nor are their sons.

(of course several Democrat Congresmen too..but at least they are less hypocrite)

George Bush is not amercian...

neither are most Republican Congresmen...nor are their sons.

(of course several Democrat Congresmen too..but at least they are less hypocrite)

Bush would have to be legally American to be qualified to run for President.

George Bush is not amercian...

neither are most Republican Congresmen...nor are their sons.

(of course several Democrat Congresmen too..but at least they are less hypocrite)


On other levels I might agree with you

Here are the best definitions for Americans: Cooper (http://www.neu-bybarny.de/cooper3.jpg) , Murphy (http://members.aol.com/mbc841/glenn/audie2.jpg) Rosie (http://www.thewrc.org/merchandise_images/rosie.jpg) .


"I never liked being called the 'most decorated' soldier. There were so many guys who should have gotten medals and never did--guys who were killed."

Audie Murphy

Real Americans (http://www.bullworks.net/genebull/flags.jpg)

Here are the best definitions for Americans:The Duke (http://http://www.shop-engel.de/bilder/2005/John_Wayne_Wayne_John_Bild_16_Foto_Hochglanz_k.jpg) , Murphy (http://members.aol.com/mbc841/glenn/audie2.jpg) , Rosie (http://www.thewrc.org/merchandise_images/rosie.jpg) .


"I never liked being called the 'most decorated' soldier. There were so many guys who should have gotten medals and never did--guys who were killed."

Audie Murphy

Real Americans (http://www.bullworks.net/genebull/flags.jpg)

So you are saying American Actors are the best definitions for Americans?

"Define a American. "

An American.

"Define a American. "

An American.


I believe I have already done that ... An American ... isn't broad enough.

Sure it does .... calling yourself an American these days can get you killed
insome parts of the world.Has the meaning of the word "American" changed in common usage outside of the US since the 1960s?

Here are the best definitions for Americans: Cooper (http://www.neu-bybarny.de/cooper3.jpg) , Murphy (http://members.aol.com/mbc841/glenn/audie2.jpg) Rosie (http://www.thewrc.org/merchandise_images/rosie.jpg) .


"I never liked being called the 'most decorated' soldier. There were so many guys who should have gotten medals and never did--guys who were killed."

Audie Murphy

Real Americans (http://www.bullworks.net/genebull/flags.jpg)
Awesome. That really is awesome. I change my definition to this now.

So you are saying American Actors are the best definitions for Americans?

No, but if you didn't know, Murphy was something else before he became an actor. Coopers role in High Noon symbolizes the ideals that this great nation was founded on. Rosie just shows us what we can do when we have too.

Has the meaning of the word "American" changed in common usage outside of the US since the 1960s?

Apparently it did after 911

No, but if you didn't know, Murphy was something else before he became an actor. Coopers role in High Noon symbolizes the ideals that this great nation was founded on. Rosie just shows us what we can do when we have too.


I am not familar with who any of them were or what they did before becoming actors.

I am not familar with who any of them were or what they did before becoming actors.


I thought you said you were a vet? You don't know what Murphy did before becoming an actor? Were you a veteran of the Salvation Army?

I thought you said you were a vet? You don't know what Murphy did before becoming an actor? Were you a veteran of the Salvation Army?

I was a U.S. Navy Photographer actually ... and there's no need making smart a__ remarks.

Do you actually think anyone cares about this anyway?

Do you actually think anyone cares about this anyway?


Someone does or this thread wouldn't exist

Seeing as there's so many topics that seem to start with someone yelling Americans! Do this do that ect. I was wondering what a American really is. Can you define one to me?

Say a American outloud, you will realize that you should have typed aN American. An American is someone who lives in the USA, you could argue Well, people that live in south america and central america and even canada arent called Americans! But frankly that would be stupid!

I was a U.S. Navy Photographer actually ... and there's no need making smart a__ remarks.

Sorry about being a smart-ass, but Murphy just happens to be the most decorated US soldier from WWII.

Someone does or this thread wouldn't exist


Well they won't change it thats for sure. We are americans from the United States of America. We were the first country created here on top of that.

Sorry about being a smart-ass, but Murphy just happens to be the most decorated US soldier from WWII.

I don't think we are talking about the same people

Here is another definition of an American:

"In 1948, I returned to France at the invitation of French Government. It was still a war-ravaged country ... but this time there was something different. It wasn't the absence of fighting, nor the silence of the big guns, nor the disappearance of uniforms and chow lines ... I didn't know what it was until one morning when I was taken to the grounds of a small French school. The children had been assembled in the play yard. They were grouped close together and arranged in wobbly little rows, their dark heads bobbing around like flower buds on long stems. One of the teachers rapped for silence. The kids quieted immediately and turned their eyes towards her. Their Faces were scrubbed and bright in the sunshine. The teacher raised her arms, and for a moment, there was no sound ... Then the teacher brought her arms down and the kids began to sing ... I Knew why I felt at home. The spirit of freedom was hovering over that play yard as it did all over France at that time. A country was free again. A people had recovered their independence and their children were grateful. They were singing in French, but the melody was freedom and any American could understand that. America, at that moment, never meant more to me ... The true meaning of America, you ask? It's in a Texas rodeo, in a policeman's badge, in the sound of laughing children, in a political rally, in a newspaper... In all these things, and many more, you'll find America. In all these things, you'll find freedom. And freedom is what America means to the world. And to me."-Audie Murphy

BTW-I'm also a member of his fan club.

I don't think we are talking about the same people

No worries, it's all good in da hood.

:)

Well they won't change it thats for sure. We are americans from the United States of America. We were the first country created here on top of that.

I'm an American from the U.S. too, I don't care if people from other Canada
, Central America, or South America call themselves Americans. I just think it
might be taking their lives in their own hands at this time in history.

The citzens of the U.S. were the first americans. That is why our citzens are called americans. It is the samething in asia. When you say asian you don't think the Russians or the people from India. You think of the Chinease, Koreans, Japanese, Mongolians, and others that live in asia. They were stable governments before Russia or India. Just like the other countries that came after the United States.
You know very little of our continent's (and Asia's) history.

Here is another definition of an American:

"In 1948, I returned to France at the invitation of French Government. It was still a war-ravaged country ... but this time there was something different. It wasn't the absence of fighting, nor the silence of the big guns, nor the disappearance of uniforms and chow lines ... I didn't know what it was until one morning when I was taken to the grounds of a small French school. The children had been assembled in the play yard. They were grouped close together and arranged in wobbly little rows, their dark heads bobbing around like flower buds on long stems. One of the teachers rapped for silence. The kids quieted immediately and turned their eyes towards her. Their Faces were scrubbed and bright in the sunshine. The teacher raised her arms, and for a moment, there was no sound ... Then the teacher brought her arms down and the kids began to sing ... I Knew why I felt at home. The spirit of freedom was hovering over that play yard as it did all over France at that time. A country was free again. A people had recovered their independence and their children were grateful. They were singing in French, but the melody was freedom and any American could understand that. America, at that moment, never meant more to me ... The true meaning of America, you ask? It's in a Texas rodeo, in a policeman's badge, in the sound of laughing children, in a political rally, in a newspaper... In all these things, and many more, you'll find America. In all these things, you'll find freedom. And freedom is what America means to the world. And to me."-Audie Murphy

BTW-I'm also a member of his fan club.
Well said. I think I might read some more of this guy.

Wait a fing minitue. When I said first americans I meant first reconized country. I think it was terrible that natives were killed in what I think was a genocide. But the U.S. was the first nation reconized by europe. So therefore we were the first americans and made it that we are americans. For the people that a called me arrogant and uneducated are really the stupid ones for not evening asking me what I meant and assuming (ass-u-me) that I meant the pilgrims were the first. So next time ask before you jump to a conclusion.
It was the first recognized independent political entity in America. But it wasn't the first recognized nation. Not by far. The Spanish met and made alliances with the Tlaxcaltecs, Perepechas and Zempoalans almost three centuries before the US was born. They also recognized their sovereignity and kept their own goverment for several decades. And, yes, they were called Americans in Europe.

The children of the first European colonizers (Spanish and Portuguese) who had been born in America were also called Americans. The result was that by the time the Mayflower landed on Plymouths Rock almost a century later, America was full of Americans.

And your grasp of Asian history is also faulty. The name of Asia was first given by Greeks and Romans to what today is Turkey and what "laid beyond".

India, China and everything else was discovered until much later. That people think of Asian as someone who looks Chinese and not, say, the Arabs and a good number or Russians, is just more ignorance.

The Spanish have a better word: in Spain, a person from the United States is called an estadounidense (literally, a United Stateser).

I couldn't let this go.

America is not a country. The United States of America is. STOP SAYING YOU'RE FROM AMERICA IF YOU MEAN USA! :headbang:

The USA was NOT the first country founded in the New World. Before the New World was called the New World there were several nations here. We all like to dismiss them collectively as the Natives. And, if there's a just God, we are all going to pay for what we did to them. :eek:

So, what is an American, in meaningful terms? An American is the human embodiment of the North American Bald Eagle in every way. :confused: Go look up how that creature lives.

Here is another definition of an American:

"In 1948, I returned to France at the invitation of French Government. It was still a war-ravaged country ... but this time there was something different. It wasn't the absence of fighting, nor the silence of the big guns, nor the disappearance of uniforms and chow lines ... I didn't know what it was until one morning when I was taken to the grounds of a small French school. The children had been assembled in the play yard. They were grouped close together and arranged in wobbly little rows, their dark heads bobbing around like flower buds on long stems. One of the teachers rapped for silence. The kids quieted immediately and turned their eyes towards her. Their Faces were scrubbed and bright in the sunshine. The teacher raised her arms, and for a moment, there was no sound ... Then the teacher brought her arms down and the kids began to sing ... I Knew why I felt at home. The spirit of freedom was hovering over that play yard as it did all over France at that time. A country was free again. A people had recovered their independence and their children were grateful. They were singing in French, but the melody was freedom and any American could understand that. America, at that moment, never meant more to me ... The true meaning of America, you ask? It's in a Texas rodeo, in a policeman's badge, in the sound of laughing children, in a political rally, in a newspaper... In all these things, and many more, you'll find America. In all these things, you'll find freedom. And freedom is what America means to the world. And to me."-Audie Murphy

BTW-I'm also a member of his fan club.

I am one who wishes all countries of the world could enjoy freedom like
we have enjoyed for so many years. Yet I doubt my own beliefs would make
any differance to the people who caused 911. My point has been that it is
very dangerous to call yourself an American these days. Will I stop calling
myself an American because of this? No ... I will continue my attempt to
educate people about the real American people. George W. Bush may be the
President right now but he doesn't speak for all of us ... that is what America
is about ... that we can disagree with each other but still remain Americans. I am not trying to start a revolution or any such thing, I'm just trying to get through the second term of a man that should never have been elected President of the U.S. in my opinion .

The Spanish have a better word: in Spain, a person from the United States is called an estadounidense (literally, a United Stateser).

OK ... I learned something today

Well said. I think I might read some more of this guy.


Alas he wasn't much of a poet or writer, he was just a great American. He did write his autobiography "To Hell and Back". It's an interesting read, also the movie is quite good. It's on the history channel occasionally. How he won the CMOH is a very interesting read. (http://www.audiemurphy.com/citation.htm)

I couldn't let this go.

America is not a country. The United States of America is. STOP SAYING YOU'RE FROM AMERICA IF YOU MEAN USA! :headbang:

The USA was NOT the first country founded in the New World. Before the New World was called the New World there were several nations here. We all like to dismiss them collectively as the Natives. And, if there's a just God, we are all going to pay for what we did to them. :eek:

So, what is an American, in meaningful terms? An American is the human embodiment of the North American Bald Eagle in every way. :confused: Go look up how that creature lives.

I don't agree with how my ancestors handled their arrival here as far as the
way they treated the Native Americans. In fact, I would have done
whatever I could have to change that if I were alive at the time. So to say that we all should answer for that is unfair.

America isn't a country? Lets see ... the United States of " AMERICA", I
have to say I disagree with that statement.

The Spanish have a better word: in Spain, a person from the United States is called an estadounidense (literally, a United Stateser).That's one thing I've often wondered about the Finnish language: the official name of the nationstate in Finnish is "Yhdysvallat" (lit. United States), morphemically separated from "Amerikka" which refers to the continents. Yet somehow "Amerikka" often refers to the US in common usage and "amerikkalainen" has come to mean the same thing as "American". It's sad, really, that the word "yhdysvaltalainen" (lit. United Stateser) is only rarely used when not trying to sound official.

I am one who wishes all countries of the world could enjoy freedom like
we have enjoyed for so many years. Yet I doubt my own beliefs would make
any differance to the people who caused 911. My point has been that it is
very dangerous to call yourself an American these days. Will I stop calling
myself an American because of this? No ... I will continue my attempt to
educate people about the real American people. George W. Bush may be the
President right now but he doesn't speak for all of us ... that is what America
is about ... that we can disagree with each other but still remain Americans. I am not trying to start a revolution or any such thing, I'm just trying to get through the second term of a man that should never have been elected President of the U.S. in my opinion .

As an American it is your right to believe what ever it is that you want to. That what makes this country so great. At least here you can speak your mind, not having to worry about "disappearing" in the middle of the night, never to be seen again. I am honored to have fought for this nation, thus protecting your right to say whatever you want.

When I travel to Europe and Asia (which occurs once or twice every year) I am not ashamed of being known as an American, nor do I attempt to hide my nationality. I've only been confronted and insulted once (Rome), but they were a bunch of angst riddled teens, so I don't hold it against Europeans in general.

It is silly how some people want to condemn the US for all of it's actions, while most nations have histories that you really can't be all that proud of. Sure we (the USA) have some iffy issues as of late, but the people of the world should not forget the good that we have done (Berlin airlift, foreign aid, being a beacon for the poor and oppressed of the world). All of us in the world should focus on the positives(of every nation on the Earth), instead of the negatives in all of our histories.

My rant.

I'm in favour of the Australian term "Yank". Short, simple, and it annoys all the exchange students to no end (especially the southerners).

An American is a White Christian of European descent.

An American is a White Christian of European descent.

No, thats a KKK member.

That's one thing I've often wondered about the Finnish language: the official name of the nationstate in Finnish is "Yhdysvallat" (lit. United States), morphemically separated from "Amerikka" which refers to the continents. Yet somehow "Amerikka" often refers to the US in common usage and "amerikkalainen" has come to mean the same thing as "American". It's sad, really, that the word "yhdysvaltalainen" (lit. United Stateser) is only rarely used when not trying to sound official.


I'm 46 years old and that is the first time I ever heard of that word.

An American is a White Christian of European descent.

What about the African slaves who were brought here perhaps before your ancestor's?

An American is a White Christian of European descent.

I disagree

No, thats a KKK member.
Yep. All WASPs are members of the KKK.
/sarcasm

America isn't a country? Lets see ... the United States of " AMERICA", I
have to say I disagree with that statement.
Actually, that name indicates precisely that USA is not the same as America, since it literally means "the collection of sovereign territories that is in America". That is, America is the continent and within it is a union of states.

Stupid name, I know, but that's what you get when you decide things by committee.

An American is someone who was born in, immigrated to or serves to defend the United States of America.

An American is a normal human being. Not better than others. Not lower than others.

I am an American. I am proud.

Wow, my simple thread has grown.

Anyway, I was looking at that first explanation from Los Banditos, and I thought, what happens if I move to America, would I be a American?

Wow, my simple thread has grown.

Anyway, I was looking at that first explanation from Los Banditos, and I thought, what happens if I move to America, would I be a American?
Yes. All of us are immigrants.

Yep. All WASPs are members of the KKK.
/sarcasm

For Defensor Fidei a WASP doesn't qualify as a true christian: instead they are damned heretics.

For Defensor Fidei a WASP doesn't qualify as a true christian: instead they are damned heretics.
Very true. I forgot about his Catholicism.

Wicked Judaizers...

Wicked Judaizers...

Who? Where?

Yes. All of us are immigrants.
What about the one who are decended from those pilgrims from the Mayflower?

As an American it is your right to believe what ever it is that you want to. That what makes this country so great. At least here you can speak your mind, not having to worry about "disappearing" in the middle of the night, never to be seen again. I am honored to have fought for this nation, thus protecting your right to say whatever you want.

When I travel to Europe and Asia (which occurs once or twice every year) I am not ashamed of being known as an American, nor do I attempt to hide my nationality. I've only been confronted and insulted once (Rome), but they were a bunch of angst riddled teens, so I don't hold it against Europeans in general.

It is silly how some people want to condemn the US for all of it's actions, while most nations have histories that you really can't be all that proud of. Sure we (the USA) have some iffy issues as of late, but the people of the world should not forget the good that we have done (Berlin airlift, foreign aid, being a beacon for the poor and oppressed of the world). All of us in the world should focus on the positives(of every nation on the Earth), instead of the negatives in all of our histories.

My rant.

I am not ashamed of being known as an American either. I was stationed
in Europe in the late 70's while in the Navy. The only reason I haven't returned
to visit is because I can't financially afford to. The people I encountered there
were very nice folks who I would have liked to have known better. The danger
I speak of comes from more recent events. I am a Security Officer which doesn't pay all that well. But I do it because of 911, I am trying in my small
way to protect my country from something like that happening again.

Just to give a little history lesson. America was named after Richard Amerike. We was very wealthy and donated most money out of anybody to Cabot. But all he ask for in return was that if he found any new land that he was to name it after him. Also the flag of the U.S. is Richard's code of arms.

American – One whom thinks talk is useless without action.

What about the one who are decended from those pilgrims from the Mayflower?
The United States was not formed at that time. They did not have citizen status.

Very true. I forgot about his Catholicism.

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but weren't most (if not all) of the writers and signatries of both the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution Protestants, and as such, for Defensor Fidei, damned heretics?

Wow, my simple thread has grown.

Anyway, I was looking at that first explanation from Los Banditos, and I thought, what happens if I move to America, would I be a American?

There are tests and such you must pass in order to become an American
Citizen. Then you would be considered an American by U.S. Law.

Who? Where?
America was almost Christian until the filthy Judaizing "puritans" and their ilk showed up. Like the Jews, they value nothing but lining their own pockets and brought negroes into the region. Throw in some Masonic "founding fathers" and we got the Masonic-Protestant terrorist state that is the "USA."

Just to give a little history lesson. America was named after Richard Amerike. We was very wealthy and donated most money out of anybody to Columbus. But all he ask for in return was that if he found any new land that he was to name it after him. Also the flag of the U.S. is Richard's code of arms.

It may be the case that the continent was named after him, but he didn't finance Columbus, instead it was a chap called John Cabot for whom he provided financial backing.

America was almost Christian until the filthy Judaizing "puritans" and their ilk showed up. Like the Jews, they value nothing but lining their own pockets and brought negroes into the region. Throw in some Masonic "founding fathers" and we got the Masonic-Protestant terrorist state that is the "USA."


What country do you live in?

Seeing as there's so many topics that seem to start with someone yelling Americans! Do this do that ect. I was wondering what a American really is. Can you define one to me?

Someone who (most) Europeans hate, that lives in a country between Canada and Mexico.

I am not ashamed of being known as an American either. I was stationed
in Europe in the late 70's while in the Navy. The only reason I haven't returned
to visit is because I can't financially afford to. The people I encountered there
were very nice folks who I would have liked to have known better. The danger
I speak of comes from more recent events. I am a Security Officer which doesn't pay all that well. But I do it because of 911, I am trying in my small
way to protect my country from something like that happening again.

Good for you doing your part. Alas I am just a lowly part time real estate agent, and full time architect. I travel to Asia for reunions now with my buddies from Vietnam. I only travel to Europe as my wife has family in Regensburg.

Just to give a little history lesson. America was named after Richard Amerike. We was very wealthy and donated most money out of anybody to Columbus. But all he ask for in return was that if he found any new land that he was to name it after him. Also the flag of the U.S. is Richard's code of arms.
I thought it was named after the explorer/ mapmaker Amerigo Vespucci.

"Define": A continent devided between South and Northamerica.

North America: a continent with a democracy (canada) and a pseudo democracy (more a kleptocracy) devided in Jezusland and the free people that pay for the wacco in Jezusland. in the south of the continent you find a poor country wich children do the dirty work in Jezusland.

America was almost Christian until the filthy Judaizing "puritans" and their ilk showed up. Like the Jews, they value nothing but lining their own pockets and brought negroes into the region. Throw in some Masonic "founding fathers" and we got the Masonic-Protestant terrorist state that is the "USA."

There are elements within the U.S. that are questionable, but America was
once described as the melting pot of the world. I wish it truely could be so
all people that came here would come together as one instead of childishly
calling each other names.

I thought it was named after the explorer/ mapmaker Amerigo Vespucci.

This is my Source (http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/discovery/exploration/americaname_03.shtml.)

America was almost Christian until the filthy Judaizing "puritans" and their ilk showed up. Like the Jews, they value nothing but lining their own pockets and brought negroes into the region. Throw in some Masonic "founding fathers" and we got the Masonic-Protestant terrorist state that is the "USA."


Take the red pills, they keep you from screaming!


Darn you evil Masons. (http://forums.matchnight.com/i/authorsicons/Grandpa%20Simpson.gif)

"Define": A continent devided between South and Northamerica.

North America: a continent with a democracy (canada) and a pseudo democracy (more a kleptocracy) devided in Jezusland and the free paople that pay for the wacco in Jezusland. in the south of the continent you find a poor country wich children do the dirty work in Jezusland.

I take offense to the term " kleptocracy "

"Define": A continent devided between South and Northamerica.

North America: a continent with a democracy (canada) and a pseudo democracy (more a kleptocracy) devided in Jezusland and the free people that pay for the wacco in Jezusland. in the south of the continent you find a poor country wich children do the dirty work in Jezusland.
Have you ever asked yourself if you would have a democracy in Canada if it wasn't for the founding of America?

"Define": A continent devided between South and Northamerica.

North America: a continent with a democracy (canada) and a pseudo democracy (more a kleptocracy) devided in Jezusland and the free people that pay for the wacco in Jezusland. in the south of the continent you find a poor country wich children do the dirty work in Jezusland.


??? (http://forums.g4techtv.com/i/authorsicons/other_dudeWTF.gif)

The lunatic is on this forum!
You make the post,
You sound insane!

Well I think the Americans can call them self as Americans if they
find it nessesery.

Brazil - Brazilian
Canada - Canadian
Alaska - Alasken (This is right, right?)
Columbia - Columbian
Mexico - Mexican

All the other nations have real names and they dont want to be
americans so the word is free. As for the native americans, they where
called sioux, apaches, etc. So they have no need for the word either.

This is my Source (http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/discovery/exploration/americaname_03.shtml.)404 - Page Not Found
One version of the origins of the word "America" (http://www.wordorigins.org/wordora.htm#america)

A more specific one (http://www.uhmc.sunysb.edu/surgery/america.html)

404 - Page Not Found
One version of the origins of the word "America" (http://www.wordorigins.org/wordora.htm#america)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/discovery/exploration/americaname_03.shtml

This is my Source (http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/discovery/exploration/americaname_03.shtml.)


You realise that page does say that he backed Cabot, not Columbus, yes?

Have you ever asked yourself if you would have a democracy in Canada if it wasn't for the founding of America?

Yes, connect dots:

democracy .
france .
canada .
united states .
not pure democracy .

American – One whom thinks talk is useless without action.

If that is true, why am I still talking to all of you folks ... especially after
having just been called a klepto by one of you?

Yes, connect dots:

democracy .
france .
canada .
united states .
not pure democracy .
When did the French Revolution occur? After the American Revolution. It is called "the shot heard round the world" because it led to the spread of democracy.

You realise that page does say that he backed Cabot, not Columbus, yes?

Yes I did. I am tired so I wasn't thinking and I put in Columbus instead of Cabot. I changed my reply.

Indeed...A history lesson does seem to be in order....
Yes Amerigo Vespucci does give his name to the New World...
And if you wish that the first americans where the first European colonists (Pilgrams as said before)....
Plymoth rock 1620 (Pilgrams)
Jamestown 1603 (Not Pilgrams)
but in general Americans are: Citizens of the US
if canadians, fins, or chineese life exactly like americans.....they are harmfull....but not americans.....I (somewhat grudginly) am an american although I live in Korea because I have a B.S. and need a real job.

Well I think the Americans can call them self as Americans if they
find it nessesery.

Brazil - Brazilian
Canada - Canadian
Alaska - Alasken (This is right, right?)
Columbia - Columbian
Mexico - Mexican

All the other nations have real names and they dont want to be
americans so the word is free. As for the native americans, they where
called sioux, apaches, etc. So they have no need for the word either.

Alaska is a part of the United States, so the people there are Americans.

You realise that page does say that he backed Cabot, not Columbus, yes?
They are both theories. The name America was first used by a dutch map maker but it's unclear whether he took his inspiration from Vespucci (who had identified the new land as a continent) or from Cabot (who had done the same).

It's more accepted that it was the former, since communication between Italy (the most advanced country in that period) and Holland was much greater than between Italy and Britain (a second rate power on the rise).

Yes I did. I am tired so I wasn't thinking and I put in Columbus instead of Cabot. I changed my reply.

Fair enough.

Alaska is a part of the United States, so the people there are Americans.

We still call them Alaskans.
Same as Texans, Floridians, Mass-holes (It's a term for Massachusettes drivers), and Californians. The U.S. is actually (get this) the New World's version of a UK. we're a bunch of allied little countries. ^^

When did the French Revolution occur? After the American Revolution. It is called "the shot heard round the world" because it led to the spread of democracy.

I call it the natural way things go. Too much people to be ruled by
one. And this would have happened even if there would not be america
in the map at all. First democracy was the athens in greece and they
didn't hear the "shot". I don't have problems with americans generaly
but some of you take credit for everything you hear of.

And if you wish that the first americans where the first European colonists (Pilgrams as said before)....
Plymoth rock 1620 (Pilgrams)
Jamestown 1603 (Not Pilgrams)

I'm going to let you go back to check on this and correct it before I drive your face through the mud.

If that is true, why am I still talking to all of you folks ... especially after
having just been called a klepto by one of you?

I guess the flamers are at it again... of course, if you want to be technical, talking is an action, too. ^^

I call it the natural way things go. Too much people to be ruled by
one. And this would have happened even if there would not be america
in the map at all. First democracy was the athens in greece and they
didn't hear the "shot". I don't have problems with americans generaly
but some of you take credit for everything you hear of.

What I think he meant was that when the U.S. was born people started to see democracy was the best way to go. Back then greece was the only ones doing it.

I call it the natural way things go. Too much people to be ruled by
one. And this would have happened even if there would not be america
in the map at all. First democracy was the athens in greece and they
didn't hear the "shot". I don't have problems with americans generaly
but some of you take credit for everything you hear of.
The democracy in Ancient Greece was nothing like the modern democracy. I was just clearing up someone else who was misinformed and called Canada a real democracy and America a kleptocracy. Don't attack me.

I call it the natural way things go. Too much people to be ruled by
one. And this would have happened even if there would not be america
in the map at all. First democracy was the athens in greece and they
didn't hear the "shot". I don't have problems with americans generaly
but some of you take credit for everything you hear of.

No, we still know there was the first democracy in Greece. Everyone knows that. But the first sucessful rebellion against the British, which lead to revolts from more of the major nations now, to be free, was started by the "shot heard 'round the world."

We still call them Alaskans.
Same as Texans, Floridians, Mass-holes (It's a term for Massachusettes drivers), and Californians. The U.S. is actually (get this) the New World's version of a UK. we're a bunch of allied little countries. ^^

Yes, I am aware of this. I see the "americans" people in north america
same way as "europeans" are people in europe. So "canadians" can be
"canadians" and "americans" and "swedish" can be "europeans" and
"skandinavians". I'm I clear, my english isn't so good.

All the other nations have real names and they dont want to be
americans so the word is free.
Erm... we are Americans, and have been calling ourselves so for longer than there has been a USA. That not all of us want to become citizens of the USA doesn't mean we are not Americans.

No, we still know there was the first democracy in Greece. Everyone knows that. But the first sucessful rebellion against the British, which lead to revolts from more of the major nations now, to be free, was started by the "shot heard 'round the world."

I still think is wrong to give credit to americans for the democracy in
canada. It's like there is huge amount of food and hungry people around
it and the first one to eat is the reason they all eat.

I still think is wrong to give credit to americans for the democracy in
canada. It's like there is huge amount of food and hungry people around
it and the first one to eat is the reason they all eat.

Did democracy spread like wildfire from Greece? No, quite the contrary.

And, to counter your food comment: Science says yawning is contagious because it is a social thing to sleep in a pack. Thus, when one person is tired and yawns, suddenly everyone else starts yawning. Regardless, biology and political science are two different bodies. But the rules still apply.

What I think he meant was that when the U.S. was born people started to see democracy was the best way to go. Back then greece was the only ones doing it.

This is something I can agree.

Did democracy spread like wildfire from Greece? No, quite the contrary.

And, to counter your food comment: Science says yawning is contagious because it is a social thing to sleep in a pack. Thus, when one person is tired and yawns, suddenly everyone else starts yawning. Regardless, biology and political science are two different bodies. But the rules still apply.

Please read more about Maslows stairs. (human behaivor)

Edit: It didn't spread from greece. where would it spread? Rome?

Edit: And did it spread from america?

Erm... we are Americans, and have been calling ourselves so for longer than there has been a USA. That not all of us want to become citizens of the USA doesn't mean we are not Americans.

I'm missing your point. Where are you from?

An American means many things, just like the country we live in. It's the third most populated country in the world, behind China. We have brought in a plethora of cultures and traditions, and most of us have no problem with people who want to carry them on here. In fact, if we like them enough, we'll bring them to the spotlight so everyone can learn about them.

Like any large group, we have disagreements on how best to run things. Yet, in the end, we tend to meet in the middle. We like our cars, because we like our wide open spaces. We love people. We love our neighbors, be it across the street or the countries next door. We're always around to help when tragedy strikes.

America is geographically huge. We don't have contact with many foreign people because of this. That doesn't mean we're uncultured or uncivilized. It means we learn from our experience, and not all of us have had the resources to travel extensively.

As a country, we're wealthy, but then, we have sacrificed a lot of blood and tears to get where we are. We are a culture that breeds motivated leaders. Some are popular, some are not. Some are lawful, some are not. Again, it all tends to boil down to a happy medium.

Some of us are liberal, some of us are conservative. Some don't put a label themselves, me included. In the end, most of us want what's good for everyone. We believe that no matter your talent, that you should be able to make a living at it. We believe in justice. We believe in moving on after tragedy, and learning from our mistakes.

As a generalization, Americans hate war, but they hate injustice more. Americans can't stand hypocrites, dictators, and "yes-men". Americans hate cowards... we venerate winners and defenders of truth, even when they die for that truth.

An "American" is a collective. An American is the sum of his experiences with other people. "American" is a homogenous term for people and their descendants, from all over the world, who came to these shores to share the idea of making a better life. "America" is a work in progress that will never be completed.

I'm missing your point. Where are you from?
From Mexico. Which makes me a Mexican and an American.

From Mexico. Which makes me a Mexican and an American.

Why would you want to call your self american when you can call your
self mexican. I call myself finnish not european or skandinavian.

Why would you want to call your self american when you can call your
self mexican. I call myself finnish not european or skandinavian.
Because there is a spirit that goes along with the word "American." It has a sense of freedom and a new world that you don't get with any other region. A lot of the people on the American continents, especially the South Americans, are proud to be free of Europe.

Why would you want to call your self american when you can call your
self mexican. I call myself finnish not european or skandinavian.
Because America defines something bigger than just Mexico, to which Mexico also belongs. Think about the history (pre- and post- European) of the countries and nations in the American continent and you will realize our common links.

In the same way, even if you in particular don't call yourself Scandinavian or European, you still share many cultural and historical links with the people of these regions, which makes you inescapably Scandinavian and European.

I am all for everyone in America calling themselves Americans. I just think it has been applied to mean "from the US" and there is no getting away from that. That is what American means now.

Please read more about Maslows stairs. (human behaivor)

Edit: It didn't spread from greece. where would it spread? Rome?

Edit: And did it spread from america?

First, I don't think your sentence and too incomplete questions make any sense, so I can't answer it. And claiming to be the first doesn't make you the source, either. (We American's don't claim to be the first democracy, we claim to be the first break from monarchy INTO a democracy, from Europe. If the Greeks want to be a monument of democracy, spread it to the rest of the world around you.... (just poking, no harm intended.) ).

Secondly it wasn't Democracy that spread, it was the concept of freedom. Remember, the Scots broke free well before America did, though they didn't go straight to democracy... the world had forgotten about independence and rebellion... at least, the Brits did. ^^

An American can be self descibed with few words. I yam what I yam. Americans are not the same in any sense, we are all very different (as every human is, we just allow it a bit more). It is nice when we all embrace our differences, someday we will all do just that. I believe.

Because there is a spirit that goes along with the word "American." It has a sense of freedom and a new world that you don't get with any other region. A lot of the people on the American continents, especially the South Americans, are proud to be free of Europe.


I must say though Europe has changed a lot since the american revolution. Especially in England. The royalty doesn't do to much anymore. But I think that is because there is a Queen. Once there is a King (hopefully Prince William or Prince Harry) the royalty will be doing a lot more.

I take offense to the term " kleptocracy ".

Truth hurts. You guys just steal around in the world. When I meet New Yorkers here, they are fed up with those neanderthaler from Jezusland and prefer to say that they live in a other country then those wacco's.

I must say though Europe has changed a lot since the american revolution. Especially in England. The royalty doesn't do to much anymore. But I think that is because there is a Queen. Once there is a King (hopefully Prince William or Prince Harry) the royalty will be doing a lot more.
True, but Americans have more of a spirit for freedom. Europeans have gone to democracy since then but the ideals of liberty flow through the veins of people in the Americas.

The title of this thread is just asking me to troll. :p

I must say though Europe has changed a lot since the american revolution. Especially in England. The royalty doesn't do to much anymore. But I think that is because there is a Queen. Once there is a King (hopefully Prince William or Prince Harry) the royalty will be doing a lot more.

Are you saying women are lazy? Or that women in power are lazy?

No, I'm not flaming, I'm actually posing those questions in humorous mockery of those who somehow draw radically sensless conclusions.

Because there is a spirit that goes along with the word "American." It has a sense of freedom and a new world that you don't get with any other region. A lot of the people on the American continents, especially the South Americans, are proud to be free of Europe.

So you see "americans" as defenders of freedom and equality. But you
really should credit yourself for fighting for yout freedom. My country
has fought for freedom too but still we dont call our self nothing
more than finnish. And yes we are proud of the freedom we fought.

I am all for everyone in America calling themselves Americans. I just think it has been applied to mean "from the US" and there is no getting away from that. That is what American means now.
Yes, but should it be? Granted, technically the name of the country is United States of America, but it sounds too much like what you would name a corporation, not a land.

Anyway, too late to complain about that now. Franklinia or Appalachia I don't think would be accepted.

Have you ever asked yourself if you would have a democracy in Canada if it wasn't for the founding of America?

I don't know, but you are one of those ignorants that think that the only people on NS besides US are Canadians or what? :rolleyes: So ignorant and full of prejudice.

The title of this thread is just asking me to troll. :p

We ask that you use as much humility and honor you have to not do so.

True, but Americans have more of a spirit for freedom. Europeans have gone to democracy since then but the ideals of liberty flow through the veins of people in the Americas.

That is true. But right now we have a damaged reputation because of our current President and his current actions in Iraq and what he has done with the economy. We wouldn't even be haveing this disscussion if it wasn't for the bad rep that we have.

Yes, but should it be? Granted, technically the name of the country is United States of America, but it sounds too much like what you would name a corporation, not a land.

Anyway, too late to complain about that now. Franklinia or Appalachia I don't think would be accepted.
I personally would have gone with New Briton. :)

Yes, but should it be? Granted, technically the name of the country is United States of America, but it sounds too much like what you would name a corporation, not a land.

Anyway, too late to complain about that now. Franklinia or Appalachia I don't think would be accepted.

Basically, we're just a bunch off different alliances. Mainers, Floridians, etc. etc...

Like the posts about "we're not america, we're the United States of America."
What do we call ourselves, then?

"I'm a citizen of the United States of America."
"And your nationality, sir?"
"I'm a citizen of the United States of America."

Too long winded for me. And its my job to let people be long winded. How ironic?

Are you saying women are lazy? Or that women in power are lazy?

No, I'm not flaming, I'm actually posing those questions in humorous mockery of those who somehow draw radically sensless conclusions.

What I am saying is that the men in parliment are taking not respecting the Queen. But if it was a King you and I know they would all get into tip top shape.

I personally would have gone with New Briton. :)

well, we have New England. And New Hampshire. And New York.....

I don't know, but you are one of those ignorants that think that the only people on NS besides US are Canadians or what? :rolleyes: So ignorant and full of prejudice.
Yep, I guess i am the one who is ignorant and full of prejudice. Like how I insulted your government system without having much knowledge of how it works. Or how I claimed that my nation was more democratic. Or the time I called you I didn't read the other posts in the thread.

...wait.

If it wasn't for the U.S. assistence in World War II the chances are the people of Great Britian would be saying heil hitler.
Mmm, not so much.

Certainly the United States provided a great deal of assistance to the British through the Lend-Lease Act, which transferred $50 billion worth of American materials to the allies, 60% of it going to Britain.

However, by the time the Lend-lease had been passed in March of 1941 Britain had already withstood the worst of the Nazi attempts to bring them to their knees in the Spring and Summer of 1940 (the Battle of Britain). It is highly unlikely that even if the U.S. never joined the war effort that the Germans could have successfully invaded the British Isles. The Nazis missed that opportunity at Dunkirk.

Finally, while we in the United States understandably emphasize the American contributions to the war, it was actually the Russians who played the greatest role in defeating Germany. The turning point in the European occurred at the Battle of Stalingrad.

Without American involvement certainly things would have turned out differently in World War II, but it is highly unlikely Brits would be saluting Hitler.

What I am saying is that the men in parliment are taking not respecting the Queen. But if it was a King you and I know they would all get into tip top shape.

I saw the speach the Queen gave to parliament, and I was disgusted with the insubordination from the Lords. Talking while the Queen speaks? Mumbling in contempt. I'm American, but I consider Great Britain as my "grandmother" nation. We did kinda START off in Europe. ^^ I respect the Queen, and, when the time comes, will respect the King of England, as well.

well, we have New England. And New Hampshire. And New York.....
And there was an area called New Sweden.


EDIT: w00t! 1000 posts!

And there was an area called New Sweden.

Don't forget Palestine, TX. Ha, and the muslims said they don't have a place to call home. ^^

I saw the speach the Queen gave to parliament, and I was disgusted with the insubordination from the Lords. Talking while the Queen speaks? Mumbling in contempt. I'm American, but I consider Great Britain as my "grandmother" nation. We did kinda START off in Europe. ^^ I respect the Queen, and, when the time comes, will respect the King of England, as well.

Bully for them. The old hag should be treated rudely. The British royals are the world's most famous welfare family and it is high time they were consigned to the ash-heap of history.

Bully for them. The old hag should be treated rudely. The British royals are the world's most famous welfare family and it is high time they were consigned to the ash-heap of history.

I guess I have mixed feelings. I don't like the sense of nobility as it was in England, yet I respect my grandmotherland's Queen. She's part of MY history.

First, I don't think your sentence and too incomplete questions make any sense, so I can't answer it. And claiming to be the first doesn't make you the source, either. (We American's don't claim to be the first democracy, we claim to be the first break from monarchy INTO a democracy, from Europe. If the Greeks want to be a monument of democracy, spread it to the rest of the world around you.... (just poking, no harm intended.) ).

Secondly it wasn't Democracy that spread, it was the concept of freedom. Remember, the Scots broke free well before America did, though they didn't go straight to democracy... the world had forgotten about independence and rebellion... at least, the Brits did. ^^

As I said before i'm sorry about my english. I'm just too lazy to translate
all from my language to english. But you are changing your position
as the treath goes on (or changing enough words so i get it wrong).
And you are twisting my position too. I started to argue when someone
hinted that americans are to be credited from canadian democracy.
And I stated that democracy is the natural thing to happen when
population grows too big to one man rule.

OOC: Sorry if this has already been said, but I'm not about to go though 12 pages.

I think the Spanish say it nicely, they have two words, one, Americano, and Estadosunidense, the first means, one who lives in the Americas, the second, literaly "United Statsia" One from the USA.

As I said before i'm sorry about my english. I'm just too lazy to translate
all from my language to english. But you are changing your position
as the treath goes on (or changing enough words so i get it wrong).
And you are twisting my position too. I started to argue when someone
hinted that americans are to be credited from canadian democracy.
And I stated that democracy is the natural thing to happen when
population grows too big to one man rule.

Tell that to China. ^^

I'm sorry, I was ignoring the post about America being responsible for Canadien freedom. I ignore ignorance. Interesting, huh?

I don't change my position, I just don't attack others'. In fact, I usually counter-attack just to provide balance because I think I'm the only one in the world who says "moderation is key."

And, actually, dictatorships come from large populations, usually because they promise action instead of babling over votes, they promise unity, and an easy way to equality. Of course, equality of conditions doesn't mean equality in good conditions...

However, by the time the Lend-lease had been passed in March of 1041
See? That was the problem. Too late for the Franks, too early for the Nazis :)

Mmm, not so much.

Certainly the United States provided a great deal of assistance to the British through the Lend-Lease Act, which transferred $50 billion worth of American materials to the allies, 60% of it going to Britain.

However, by the time the Lend-lease had been passed in March of 1941 Britain had already withstood the worst of the Nazi attempts to bring them to their knees in the Spring and Summer of 1940 (the Battle of Britain). It is highly unlikely that even if the U.S. never joined the war effort that the Germans could have successfully invaded the British Isles. The Nazis missed that opportunity at Dunkirk.

Finally, while we in the United States understandably emphasize the American contributions to the war, it was actually the Russians who played the greatest role in defeating Germany. The turning point in the European occurred at the Battle of Stalingrad.

Without American involvement certainly things would have turned out differently in World War II, but it is highly unlikely Brits would be saluting Hitler.
However, by the time the Lend-lease had been passed in March of 1041
See? That was the problem. Too late for the Franks, too early for the Nazis :)

LOL. Thanks. Correct made.

I started to argue when someone
hinted that americans are to be credited from canadian democracy.
And I stated that democracy is the natural thing to happen when
population grows too big to one man rule.
I never said that the US was the sole reason for Canadian democracy. You took that out of context. Someone insulted American democracy so I was giving a history lesson.

Because America defines something bigger than just Mexico, to which Mexico also belongs. Think about the history (pre- and post- European) of the countries and nations in the American continent and you will realize our common links.

In the same way, even if you in particular don't call yourself Scandinavian or European, you still share many cultural and historical links with the people of these regions, which makes you inescapably Scandinavian and European.

I see your point now. It's probably the fact that spanish "founded"
mexico, english founded "america" and french "founded" canada that
gets me to think you seperately.

I see your point now. It's probably the fact that spanish "founded"
mexico, english founded "america" and french "founded" canada that
gets me to think you seperately.

The Russians found something too. Oh well, nobody remembers. And... didn't the English have a chunk of Canady, and the Spanish part of the US.

America. we're full of mutts. ^^

Erm... we are Americans, and have been calling ourselves so for longer than there has been a USA. That not all of us want to become citizens of the USA doesn't mean we are not Americans.

Oh so you think you should have the same rights here as legal citizens have
is that right? I don't think so!

I never said that the US was the sole reason for Canadian democracy. You took that out of context. Someone insulted American democracy so I was giving a history lesson.

Well the lesson was kind of out of context. And the insult
was quite common view of american democracy in europe today.

Bush vs. Kerry elections in europe did go against bush strongly.
Doesn't that hint the americans that the goverment doesnt
exacly drive the goals they are saying?

Well the lesson was kind of out of context. And the insult
was quite common view of american democracy in europe today.

Bush vs. Kerry elections in europe did go against bush strongly.
Doesn't that hint the americans that the goverment doesnt
exacly drive the goals they are saying?
No, that just says that Europeans have different ideas of who Americans should chose as President. Maybe some of the Europeans might have thought differently if they lived in America.

Well the lesson was kind of out of context. And the insult
was quite common view of american democracy in europe today.

Bush vs. Kerry elections in europe did go against bush strongly.
Doesn't that hint the americans that the goverment doesnt
exacly drive the goals they are saying?

Not really. Some promises have been kept. Some haven't. It's always been that way. Some people just get so emotional about some issues they refuse to acknowledge the importance of other issues.

The Russians found something too. Oh well, nobody remembers. And... didn't the English have a chunk of Canady, and the Spanish part of the US.

America. we're full of mutts. ^^

The russians found us, finnish. At the same time swedish found us.
Oh, those happy times between two superpowers. There where
no stupid laws about genocide.

Spanish part of us = texas, did i pass the test?

Not really. Some promises have been kept. Some haven't. It's always been that way. Some people just get so emotional about some issues they refuse to acknowledge the importance of other issues.

The chemical weapons in iraq and the saudi connections (bin ladens)?
Bush lies to your face and you dont care?

Spanish part of us = texas, did i pass the test?
Florida and much of the West Coast...

The russians found us, finnish. At the same time swedish found us.
Oh, those happy times between two superpowers. There where
no stupid laws about genocide.

Spanish part of us = texas, did i pass the test?

Almost... you forgot New Mexico.

Florida and much of the West Coast...

Spanish, cubans, mexicans, puerto ricans.... Just don't ever call one a different one. Trust me.

Tell that to China. ^^

I'm sorry, I was ignoring the post about America being responsible for Canadien freedom. I ignore ignorance. Interesting, huh?

I don't change my position, I just don't attack others'. In fact, I usually counter-attack just to provide balance because I think I'm the only one in the world who says "moderation is key."

And, actually, dictatorships come from large populations, usually because they promise action instead of babling over votes, they promise unity, and an easy way to equality. Of course, equality of conditions doesn't mean equality in good conditions...

Russia has tried it all. Dictatorship, Kindom, Communism, democracy.

Spanish, cubans, mexicans, puerto ricans.... Just don't ever call one a different one. Trust me.
There are White Spaniards... and then there are Amerindians and mestizos who stole (and further corrupted) the Spanish language and call themselves "hispanic."

Almost... you forgot New Mexico.

This is the reason I get 81 points on american IQ tests and
160 points in european. I just dont know the history of US.

Edit: us to US

The chemical weapons in iraq and the saudi connections (bin ladens)?
Bush lies to your face and you dont care?

Lets se.... Chemical weapons in Iraq... you mean, the UN lied???

and Saudi connections... you mean, the UN lied???

Stop trying to blame everything on my CINC.

I do care, and how DARE you accuse me of otherwise. Bush never lied... he pushed forward what he was TOLD. If you want to talk about Lying to peoples faces, try "I did not have sexual relations with that woman."

What is an American? We'll never know. The Americans exagerate, most others demonise. (and the few who know the truth are "re-educted" by the CIA ;))
The fact that everyone is different dosn't help. Given the large and incredibly varied population of America, generalising the entire nation into one group would be a practical impossibility.

Russia has tried it all. Dictatorship, Kindom, Communism, democracy.

They haven't tried anarchy yet. ^^ Oh wait, they are right now. Are they democracy yet? Have they elected someone who doesn't keep close ties with the KGB?

The chemical weapons in iraq and the saudi connections (bin ladens)?
Bush lies to your face and you dont care?
You are only seeing what you see on CNN or whatever news channel. There are other issues. And the Iraq thing might not be a lie, he was told there were WMDs there. By the CIA. I would believe that info.

All politicians lie. Some are just better at it. I am sure the leaders in your country have lied to you before and you have accepted it.

What is an American? We'll never know. The Americans exagerate, most others demonise. (and the few who know the truth are "re-educted" by the CIA ;))
The fact that everyone is different dosn't help. Given the large and incredibly varied population of America, generalising the entire nation into one group would be a practical impossibility.

That's why we generalize. An American is just that.

Well, I'll have to quit now theres near death penalty of 8€
coming my way if i don't return 2 dvd.

American = Human living in America. (including South & Middle & North)

Thats my aswer. :)

American = Human living in America. (including South & Middle & North)

Thats my aswer. :)
Acceptable.

That's why we generalize. An American is just that.

How do you intend to generalize such a varied nation? lol, it'd be impossible for practically every country, with the possible exception of The Vatican, and even that's questionable.

Acceptable.

I'm sorry. I can't accept that answer. Mainly because I live in Korea ATM, and I want to go to Australia and England at some point in time.

There are White Spaniards... and then there are Amerindians and mestizos who stole (and further corrupted) the Spanish language and call themselves "hispanic."

So Americans stole and bastardized the English language?

Politicians have to lie, as the people being governed do not understand or comprehend the truth. You really want to know everything that goes on? I don't like the idea of full scale riots and mass hysteria.

"You want the truth, you can't handle the truth!" (http://www.born-today.com/Today/pix/nicholson_j.jpg)

So Americans stole and bastardized the English language?
While that is probable in this modern day, I must ask from where do you make this assumption from my post?

Politicians have to lie, as the people being governed do not understand or comprehend the truth. You really want to know everything that goes on? I don't like the idea of full scale riots and mass hysteria.

"You want the truth, you can't handle the truth!" (http://www.born-today.com/Today/pix/nicholson_j.jpg)

Wait... you just, TOLD them the truth!

*gasp

While that is probable in this modern day, I must ask from where do you make this assumption from my post?

That you cannot "steal" a language if it is the one you have always spoken. Furthermore, just as "American English" has evolved differently than European English, the same would apply to the Spanish and French languages.

Wait... you just, TOLD them the truth!

*gasp
Thank God he doesn't run the country. ;)

That you cannot "steal" a language if it is the one you have always spoken. Furthermore, just as "American English" has evolved differently than European English, the same would apply to the Spanish and French languages.
Those pesky Europeans have nicked the language too?!

That you cannot "steal" a language if it is the one you have always spoken. Furthermore, just as "American English" has evolved differently than European English, the same would apply to the Spanish and French languages.
I don't think Spanish originated in Tenochtitlan...

Thank God he doesn't run the country. ;)

Yes you should be thankful.

If I were President, let's just say things would be very different.

Yes you should be thankful.

If I were President, let's just say things would be very different.

"And if I were elected, as your dicta... I mean, President....." ^^

I want to run for president just so I can say that.

I don't think Spanish originated in Tenochtitlan...

It doesn't have to. English didn't originate in Australia. In fact, I don't think French originated in Canada, or Lousiana. Languages are alive. They move, they grow. You said the slaughtered the language; I say they adapted it to their way of life.

It doesn't have to. English didn't originate in Australia. In fact, I don't think French originated in Canada, or Lousiana. Languages are alive. They move, they grow. You said the slaughtered the language; I say they adapted it to their way of life.
White language for White peoples.... not the same as White language for a pathetic Indian blood cult.

White language for White peoples.... not the same as White language for a pathetic Indian blood cult.

Excuse me?

No, excuse YOURSELF.

Another discrace to America. Edit: The world.

Excuse me?

No, excuse YOURSELF.

Another discrace to America. Edit: The world.

What? :confused:

The term has both definitions. This IS allowed in the English language you know. Just like calling someone a dick could refer to his/her job as a detective, a farmer discussing his cock may just relate to his poultry, or calling people gay could refer to their happy attitude...

And it is, after all, the United States of American's who define themselves using this term resulting in it become an accepted definition.


Although why they couldn't just stick with the old "yankee imperialist pig-dog" designation is beyond me.... :p

Maybe because "yankee imperialist pig-dog" is a little too close to the truth to be comfortable???
And this is an American making that statement, I'll have you know.

These days, I'm embarrassed to admit to being an American, because "American" has come to mean many evil things throughout the world. We have lost the respect of the world, thanks to our incompetent moronic leadership that only has competenece when it comes to imperialistic military action to forcibly control the last sips of a major energy source.

What? :confused:

Language is language; You are identifying the race/religion/beliefs of a people as justification/permission for use of a language?

I don't care if someone is a homicidal, bisexual asian hermaphrodite with a thurst for the occult. The character of a person has NOTHING to do with the language they speak. Those justifications are what some use as excuses for genocide.

"And if I were elected, as your dicta... I mean, President....." ^^

I want to run for president just so I can say that.


There would be riots in the streets and mass hysteria the likes of which we haven't seen since the death of Elvis, if I were President. Plus people complain about Bush, well I would make him seem like Jesus.

Maybe because "yankee imperialist pig-dog" is a little too close to the truth to be comfortable???
And this is an American making that statement, I'll have you know.

These days, I'm embarrassed to admit to being an American, because "American" has come to mean many evil things throughout the world. We have lost the respect of the world, thanks to our incompetent moronic leadership that only has competenece when it comes to imperialistic military action to forcibly control the last sips of a major energy source.

Imperialistic... I disagree. Overzealous, yes.

There would be riots in the streets and mass hysteria the likes of which we haven't seen since the death of Elvis, if I were President. Plus people complain about Bush, well I would make him seem like Jesus.

Can I bow to you now.... Your humor is overflowing with honest-to-God "I know the problem, and I got the solution, baby" attitude. I love it.

White language for White peoples.... not the same as White language for a pathetic Indian blood cult.

WTF??
Tell me you didn't SAY that!!
Geez, another shining example...God Bless America, land of the Xenophobes and racists!

"pathetic Indian blood cult??" Well, buster, i'll have you know that the "pathetic Indian blood cult" was here FIRST...had their lands stolen from them by the white man...and had their own culture annhilated by the same white man, and those that remained were assimilated, much like the Borg...in order to survive.

The White language and culture was FORCED ONTO the "pathetic Indian blood cult." Tell me, are you a card-carrying member of Aryan Nation or what?

People like you disgust me, and make me further ashamed to be an American.

Note to the rest of the world: I apologize for the crudity of my countryman. Bear in mind his views DO NOT represent me or my views in any way...nor the views of most Americans that I know. But his views may well represent the majority of Americans, based on the political climate I see in this country!

Bear in mind they do not represent ME!

Language is language; You are identifying the race/religion/beliefs of a people as justification/permission for use of a language?

I don't care if someone is a homicidal, bisexual asian hermaphrodite with a thurst for the occult. The character of a person has NOTHING to do with the language they speak. Those justifications are what some use as excuses for genocide.
I was not referring solely to the language! The whole culture of the Mestizo is a fabrication based on the language they stole.
Where were the "Latino" awards in Rome? Was Latium really an Aztec wonder? :rolleyes:

WTF??
Tell me you didn't SAY that!!
Geez, another shining example...God Bless America, land of the Xenophobes and racists!

"pathetic Indian blood cult??" Well, buster, i'll have you know that the "pathetic Indian blood cult" was here FIRST...had their lands stolen from them by the white man...and had their own culture annhilated by the same white man, and those that remained were assimilated, much like the Borg...in order to survive.

The White language and culture was FORCED ONTO the "pathetic Indian blood cult." Tell me, are you a card-carrying member of Aryan Nation or what?

People like you disgust me, and make me further ashamed to be an American.

Note to the rest of the world: I apologize for the curdity of my countryman. Bear in mind his views DO NOT represent me or my views in any way...nor the views of most Americans that I know. But his views may well represent the majority of Americans, based on the political climate I see in this country!

Bear in mind they do not represent ME!

Make that 2.

God, I can't believe I actually protect his right to say that.

Can I bow to you now.... Your humor is overflowing with honest-to-God "I know the problem, and I got the solution, baby" attitude. I love it.

Please don't bow, but I'd like you to get on your knees and polish and buff my footwear. Also on the rare occasion I'll need you to smell my gas to guess what I had for dinner. If you guess correctly, I free 2 people from prison.

BTW I got the solution for your problems...right HERE!

WTF??
Tell me you didn't SAY that!!
Geez, another shining example...God Bless America, land of the Xenophobes and racists!

"pathetic Indian blood cult??" Well, buster, i'll have you know that the "pathetic Indian blood cult" was here FIRST...had their lands stolen from them by the white man...and had their own culture annhilated by the same white man, and those that remained were assimilated, much like the Borg...in order to survive.

The White language and culture was FORCED ONTO the "pathetic Indian blood cult." Tell me, are you a card-carrying member of Aryan Nation or what?

People like you disgust me, and make me further ashamed to be an American.

Note to the rest of the world: I apologize for the curdity of my countryman. Bear in mind his views DO NOT represent me or my views in any way...nor the views of most Americans that I know. But his views may well represent the majority of Americans, based on the political climate I see in this country!

Bear in mind they do not represent ME!
Simmer down. We (Americans) have been debating him for a while. If people from other nations actually think that most Americans are this way then they too are ignorant.

Oh, and by "we" I mean Damaica.

Please don't bow, but I'd like you to get on your knees and polish and buff my footwear. Also on the rare occasion I'll need you to smell my gas to guess what I had for dinner. If you guess correctly, I free 2 people from prison.

Umm... No. But I could be the Head of your military. Don't worry, I'm not a radical renegade general bent on my own agenda.

Proud, intelligent, freedom-loving, friendly people. I would rather be their neighbour than anyone else's.

Umm... No. But I could be the Head of your military. Don't worry, I'm not a radical renegade general bent on my own agenda.

Sorry I'm the head of the military, plus all of my underlings are war-mongering killer computers.

If you will not smell my gas then good day sir! Besides the Fart Game will be the national sport. Extra points are scored when your victim has their mouth open.

Simmer down. We (Americans) have been debating him for a while. If people from other nations actually think that most Americans are this way then they too are ignorant.

Oh, and by "we" I mean Damaica.

Yay! Acknowledgement of my efforts.. that have produced no success.

At least I hope the rest of the world saves some faith in our humanitarianism....

Simmer down. We (Americans) have been debating him for a while. If people from other nations actually think that most Americans are this way then they too are ignorant.

Oh, and by "we" I mean Damaica.

Well, you can count ME in with your WE then...and I'm proud to consider you my countryman, Los Banditos!

I can't believe we defend the right of a guy like that to say things like he did...it's appalling!

ON EDIT: I am also proud to consider YOU my countryman, Damaica! Sorry, didn't mean to leave you out!

Well, you can count ME in with your WE then...and I'm proud to consider you my countryman, Los Banditos!

I can't believe we defend the right of a guy like that to say things like he did...it's appalling!

Yes but it is a basic right to spew forth whatever. It's appalling that you find his rights appalling. Is it appalling that I shoot furry critters when I go hunting?

Well, you can count ME in with your WE then...and I'm proud to consider you my countryman, Los Banditos!

I can't believe we defend the right of a guy like that to say things like he did...it's appalling!
He has the right to believe whatever he wants. And we have the right to make him look like an ass. :)

He has the right to believe whatever he wants. And we have the right to make him look like an ass. :)


You sir, are a great American.


Would you mind being the number one fart sniffer for when I take over? I have an opening. :) :gundge:

You sir, are a great American.


Would you mind being the number one fart sniffer for when I take over? I have an opening. :) :gundge:
Perhaps. It sounds gross but I bet the benefits are good. I won't be thrown in prison or live in poverty right?

He has the right to believe whatever he wants. And we have the right to make him look like an ass. :)

I suppose you are right...but, still...it seems there are just some places where we are TOO tolerant.

And denigrating another people, another culture...well, I think that defending his right to do that is an example of where we Americans are TOO tolerant.

ADDENDUM: The LAW may well tolerate his saying things like that, and I dDO support that law. My own PERSONAL tolerance is another matter...and I do NOT tolerate people denigrating another people or culture. I find it appalling.

I suppose you are right...but, still...it seems there are just some places where we are TOO tolerant.

And denigrating another people, another culture...well, I think that defending his right to do that is an example of where we Americans are TOO tolerant.
Well, like you said, we make up for it by being imperialistic pig-dogs. :)
I don't agree with that but whatever.

I like the fact that we are overly tolerant, as a nation not as individuals, of other people. And I would gladly die fighting for it. It is appalling to see someone insult another culture, though.

I suppose you are right...but, still...it seems there are just some places where we are TOO tolerant.

And denigrating another people, another culture...well, I think that defending his right to do that is an example of where we Americans are TOO tolerant.

ADDENDUM: The LAW may well tolerate his saying things like that, and I dDO support that law. My own PERSONAL tolerance is another matter...and I do NOT tolerate people denigrating another people or culture. I find it appalling.

Addendum Part II: Legality, and Morality, are two different things.

Unfortunately, that's also what it means to me. What it really should mean is someone living in either North or South America, but I wonder if that's ever been the best recognized meaning of the word.

That usage would require calling Canadians Americans- not a wise strategy unless you want to be severely beaten by every Canadian you meet.

You sir, are a great American.


Would you mind being the number one fart sniffer for when I take over? I have an opening. :) :gundge:

Oh, man...bettwr he sniff your farts than mine a few hours from now...just got done with Peanut-butter and jelly snadwiches, and Sour Cream and Onion potato chips.

You haven't HEARD of nasty until you have smelled a peanut-butter/onion fart... :gundge:

Let's see if we can bring this back on topic...

This is what makes us Americans.

That usage would require calling Canadians Americans- not a wise strategy unless you want to be severely beaten by every Canadian you meet.

If you really care about the Canadiens, use the e like it is spelt in french. I try to succomb to a little international/cultural pressure. I throw all these crazy u's in my words when I talk to my Australian friends so we can understand each other better.

The man who discovered The Americas was actually, called America. Also, the
real title of the British national anthem is 'America', and that same tune has also been the Swedish national anthem, among others.

The man who discovered The Americas was actually, called America. Also, the
real title of the British national anthem is 'America', and that same tune has also been the Swedish national anthem, among others.
Eric the Red? He was called America? I guess I can kind of see that.

The man who discovered The Americas was actually, called America. Also, the
real title of the British national anthem is 'America', and that same tune has also been the Swedish national anthem, among others.

Actually you are slightly incorrect. The man you refer to was AMERIGO Vespucci.

Actually you are slightly incorrect. The man you refer to was AMERIGO Vespucci.

...and Amerigo Vespucci did not "discover America" (we could have whole converstions on that phrase). In fact it is possible that this Italian mapmaker never even traveled to the continents that took his name. How do we end up getting named after him? He was the guy who made and labeled the map.

...and Amerigo Vespucci did not "discover America" (we could have whole converstions on that phrase). In fact it is possible that this Italian mapmaker never even traveled to the continents that took his name. How do we end up getting named after him? He was the guy who made and labeled the map.I don't think it was he who actually labeled the map thusly, that was (according to generally accepted history) the German cartographer Martin Waldseemüller.

Someone living in the USA or for a pompous, PC person living outside of the US but in North America or South America.

Can be manipulated to mean freedom-loving, strong democratic patriot or to mean evil, white, racist, sexist, corporate, fascist war mongerer depending on the brainwashing that is required.

Someone living in the USA or for a pompous, PC person living outside of the US but in North America or South America.

Can be manipulated to mean freedom-loving, strong democratic patriot or to mean evil, white, racist, sexist, corporate, fascist war mongerer depending on the brainwashing that is required.

Strangers With Candy:
"But they're not a cult, they're my friends. Why else would they offer to wash my brain?

American-noun, A-mer-i-can. 1. To live in the US. 2. TO BE FREKKIN AWESOME!

Someone living in the USA or for a pompous, PC person living outside of the US but in North America or South America.

Can be manipulated to mean freedom-loving, strong democratic patriot or to mean evil, white, racist, sexist, corporate, fascist war mongerer depending on the brainwashing that is required.

I'm american, on a PC, but not in North or South America. American means citiezen of the U.S., not a resident of one of the American Continents. Why? Last I checked we're the only country with the word "America" in it.

I didn't say on a PC, I said PC with no preceding prepositions, thusly the implied acronym would be politically correct.

Like how I insulted your government system without having much knowledge of how it works.

Hmm, first you think that all the others here are Canadian
Then you admit that your best is a insult without any knowledge.(But we allready knew that without your own confirmation.)

You know, I would'nt be surprised to see a swastika tatoo on your arse.

Oh so you think you should have the same rights here as legal citizens have
is that right? I don't think so!
Of course, each in our own country. But that wasn't my point, my point is that we live in a big continent called America, therefore we are Americans too, just like the people in the USA who also called themselves Americans making the whole thing needlessly confusing.

There are White Spaniards... and then there are Amerindians and mestizos who stole (and further corrupted) the Spanish language and call themselves "hispanic."
No, no, we didn't steal it. It was impossed on us. And we don't call ourselves hispanic. It's the people in the US who call us hispanic. We call ourselves Americans or Americanos, if you want to be more precise.

And the Spanish language has been doing quite well with the corruption and all, thank you very much. In fact, I bet you use at least a couple of Aztec words yourself.

... We were the first country created here on top of that.here....in America?