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If you don't believe in God you must believe in the "Big Bang theory", what created all of that mass that imploded?

I fully agree. Enven though there must be a scientific explanation for that too...

"If I am capable of grasping God objectively, I do not believe, but precisely because I cannot do this I must believe."- Søren Kierkegaard

1. There is evidence for God's existance. See the Bible

the Bible is evidence for the fact that a bunch of people wrote a book about God. there are many books about the Easter Bunny, as well, but their existence does not prove the Easter Bunny is real.


2. Why do you think the idea that there isnt a God is any more proveable than the idea that there is? Neither side can be certian.
the idea that there isn't a magical unicorn controlling the universe is no more or less provable than the idea that there is. neither side can be certain.

the Bible is evidence for the fact that a bunch of people wrote a book about God. there are many books about the Easter Bunny, as well, but their existence does not prove the Easter Bunny is real.


the idea that there isn't a magical unicorn controlling the universe is no more or less provable than the idea that there is. neither side can be certain.
Sweet unicorns are awsome! :fluffle:

1. There is evidence for God's existance. See the Bible

Ok, lets take this to another level. I take on the name of Fnork, claim i am an alien from Vjsajkcjk-12, write a book, or dictate it to other people. In it is written that i am indeed Fnork, from said planet and did create everything, you all should be thankfull and offer me free meals, housing and gratitous sex whereever i go. Everything else is up to you, except pink catsuits are banned and everyone who wears them is to be thrown in the Grand Canyon.
If now someone says, there is no Fnord, or he isnt a alien, or he is from Vjsajkcjk-11, i just point at the book and say: "This is the most holy scripture, everything is written down! And you begin to look like you wear a pink catsuit...".
To be blunt, you cant prove Gods existance by pointing at the bible and say its all in there. Because if one does not believe in the God, he does not believe in the Bible. Its just a waste of good trees to him.
"God exist because it is written in the Bible and the Bible is special because God wrote it" is intellectual circlejerking.

One flaw to start us out: Of "GOD" created humans, where did he come from. You see, it is a scientific impossibility for a being to exsist without ever being created.

This would seem to be a fundimental flaw in all thinking. Where did man come from then? How did time begin? Science can't prove anything like this and niether can religion, and there's simply no way of doing so.

To the person who asked about what happened to people before Jesus:

Read the Old Testament. It's not that hard. ;)

To the person who asked about what happened to people before Jesus:

Read the Old Testament. It's not that hard. ;)
Yet beyond so many peoples capacity obviously … my beginning part of life in a catholic school I don’t think I met anyone beyond the priest that had actually managed to read the whole thing

(and none in the original language)


Depressing when you base your life off of a document you have not read

Are you sick of all the goddam xtian tracts cluttering up your path?

Try a tract of your own!

"God's Extremely Complex Plan of Salvation"

http://www.xmission.com/~jburton/tracts.htm (http://)

There are a million flaws with every faith. Which is one of the reasons I don't have one.

If you don't want to believe any Christian beliefs, I don't see any religious police wandering the streets making you pray.

I don't see them enforcing dress standards for women on authority from the government. I don't see them forcing you to convert. You are free to say no to Christianity, and live the life you want with the beliefs you want.

I don't see why a non-Christian should care one way or the other if there are any flaws in Christianity.

Is that the morality of the individual, the morality of the atheist, the morality of the agnostic, that life is to be spent mocking the beliefs of others?

One flaw to start us out: Of "GOD" created humans, where did he come from. You see, it is a scientific impossibility for a being to exsist without ever being created.

If you don't believe in God, then reasoning would tell us you believe in the big bang theory, correct? So I ask you if the "Law of Conservation of Mass" is correct, and mass cannot be created nor destroyed, and the big bang theory says the universe exploded into existance, and you can't have a reaction without reactants (a.k.a. mass), where did that mass come from? It would of have to been put there by an outside source. That is a bigger flaw in belief than any religion.

This should be fun..

I'm a Unitarian, someone tell me what's wrong with my religion (and please have some idea what a Unitarian is). Basically, it's the charity and love thing as most Christianity, except you don't HAVE to believe in the Christian god.

I do not think any differently of you, but I just have this to say from the bible.

15 "'I know your works: you are neither cold nor hot. Would that you were cold or hot! 16 So, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spew you out of my mouth.-Revelation 1:15-16

Either you believe wholy in his word and him, or not at all.

If you don't believe in God, then reasoning would tell us you believe in the big bang theory, correct? So I ask you if the "Law of Conservation of Mass" is correct, and mass cannot be created nor destroyed, and the big bang theory says the universe exploded into existance, and you can't have a reaction without reactants (a.k.a. mass), where did that mass come from? It would of have to been put there by an outside source. That is a bigger flaw in belief than any religion.
Difference

Will be ammended when more info becomes avaliable (also you are using thermodnamics like is the end all ... when it , itself is a theory and could be amended at a later date when it itself is proven inacurate or not complete)

If you don't believe in God, then reasoning would tell us you believe in the big bang theory, correct? So I ask you if the "Law of Conservation of Mass" is correct, and mass cannot be created nor destroyed, and the big bang theory says the universe exploded into existance, and you can't have a reaction without reactants (a.k.a. mass), where did that mass come from? It would of have to been put there by an outside source. That is a bigger flaw in belief than any religion.


I'm sure God knows the answer to your question/s, so why not ask him.

If you don't believe in God, then reasoning would tell us you believe in the big bang theory, correct? So I ask you if the "Law of Conservation of Mass" is correct, and mass cannot be created nor destroyed, and the big bang theory says the universe exploded into existance, and you can't have a reaction without reactants (a.k.a. mass), where did that mass come from? It would of have to been put there by an outside source. That is a bigger flaw in belief than any religion.

You do realize that the Big Bang theory begins with infinite mass, right?

Also remember that the actual law is the "Law of conservation of mass and energy". Mass and energy can be converted back and forth, but the total remains the same.

You do realize that the Big Bang theory begins with infinite mass, right?

Also remember that the actual law is the "Law of conservation of mass and energy". Mass and energy can be converted back and forth, but the total remains the same.
They cant be bothered to know the opposition point of view … I mean why would you need to understand anything before you argued against it?