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Well?

Still the Ramones

The Clash

I don't think there needs to be anymore discussion on this.

Still the Ramones

And still agreeing with you. ;)

I'm gonna be different and say the Undertones

I'd have to say The Clash...


followed closely by The Ramones.

Still the Ramones

of course

punk music is crap anyway... goooo classic rock!!!

punk music is crap anyway... goooo classic rock!!!
*pisses on poodle rock*

Dead Kennedy's. This wasn't an easy choice though, too many legends to choose from man.

Easy to choose. Though the problem was that there's a different between "greatest" and "best". I picked the Ramones, not because I think they're the best (though they're good) but because they were the most influential.

punk music is crap anyway... goooo classic rock!!!

:p

Real Punk is classic rock these days.

And yep, it was intrended to be a hard choice. It wouldn't be punk if it was an easy choice.

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No MC5?

Easy to choose. Though the problem was that there's a different between "greatest" and "best". I picked the Ramones, not because I think they're the best (though they're good) but because they were the most influential.

how very true.

No MC5?

These guys apparently don't like to kick out the jams.

Shame.

No MC5?

:D Good question. Only 9 choices and "other". :(

These guys apparently don't like to kick out the jams.

Shame.
Kick Out the Jams as in the song covered by RATM?

I can't answer you right now cuz

Right now....
Right now......
Right now, its time to....
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KICK OUT THE JAMS MOTHERFUCKER!!!!


Yeah that one.

I can't answer you right now cuz

Right now....
Right now......
Right now, its time to....
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KICK OUT THE JAMS MOTHERFUCKER!!!!


Yeah that one.
Sorry dude. Don't know the original. Just the RATM version. Cool song though

Kick Out the Jams as in the song covered by RATM?

Blasphemy!

I think Iggy Pop and the Stooges should have been able to force one of those bands off the list.

They are second on my list to the clash.

Blasphemy!
I know, I know. I'm just a big RATM fan... And never heard of MC5

Patti Smith is often thought of as punk, although I'm not sure why.

Easy to choose. Though the problem was that there's a different between "greatest" and "best". I picked the Ramones, not because I think they're the best (though they're good) but because they were the most influential.

Hmm, didn't consider that...

I voted the Dead Kennedys however. They're the band that I enjoy the most out of the list. Though the Clash are pretty damn close.

Crass.

Ramones win because their music created thousands of other punk bands.

I would have liked to say 'The Damned', cause they made great punk songs (still going strong today, if you've heard their latest), but opted for 'The Clash' who were more talented and creative - and more influential - than the others. Also more popular, for what it's worth.

Why is the Clash higher than the Ramones? :mad: :headbang:

The Ramones. They did it first. They did it best.

The Clash are nice, and you can't go wrong with them, but I don't think they had as much influence as The Ramones.

The Ramones never made a song like Rock the Cazbah (or however the hell you spell it).

Clash, followed closely by Exploited.

"Die Toten Hosen"

Simply because they started when Punk was young and are still there, which true punk band can acheive this. ;)

And of course the best band of the world, "Die Ärzte" simply for being Punk, though they never really did play punk...

The Ramones. They did it first. They did it best.

The Clash are nice, and you can't go wrong with them, but I don't think they had as much influence as The Ramones.

The Ramones never made a song like Rock the Cazbah (or however the hell you spell it).

The Ramones never actually made a song that didn't sound like the Ramones. I like them, they were the originators, but they werent the best.

The Ramones are the best, definitely. They had a sound, and some of the best damn lyrics out there. I Wanna Be Sedated, Teenage Lobotomy, Beat on the Brat, Pinhead, Somebody Put Something in my Drink, all classics... :cool:

I saw Someone Else at CBGB's back in the day. They really tore it up. Deservedly #1.

The Clash (The best songs and all that) followed by The Sex Pistols, after all they started the whole movment.

Patti Smith is often thought of as punk, although I'm not sure why.


Listen to her version of 'My Generation' with John Cale playing bass, and it will all become hideously apparent why - other places to look for enlightenment: Piss Factory, Rock'n'Roll ******, just about anything off the Horses LP. Her Blakean aesthetic remains true to the original idea of punk, even if the musical forms she uses may seem strangely at odds with it.

Other pretty heavy hints - the lyrics "Jesus died for somebody's sins, but not mine, they belong to me..." where would CRASS have been without that starting point to work from?

... followed by The Sex Pistols, after all they started the whole movment.


Explain to me then why the Ramones were going before them?

The Ramones never actually made a song that didn't sound like the Ramones.


Baby, I Love You?

WHAT? The Ramones INVENTED punk. Even though the Clash was slightly better, the Ramones totally came up with it and the Clash copied them.

WHAT? The Ramones INVENTED punk. Even though the Clash was slightly better, the Ramones totally came up with it and the Clash copied them.

You're...you...must be joking, right?

WHAT? The Ramones INVENTED punk. Even though the Clash was slightly better, the Ramones totally came up with it and the Clash copied them.

Go dig through your copies of Stooges, MC5, New York Dolls and Velvet Underground records if you think the Ramones invented punk rock.

P.S.

Refused Are Fuckin' Dead.

You're...you...must be joking, right?

He must be: the Clash were trying to hard to be the early Rolling Stones, Kinks and the Who to try and be the Ramones. Just like the Sex Pitols were trying to be the Small Faces, Hawkwind and the New York Dolls...*







* lets not forget the intro to Pretty Vacant lifted note for note by Glen Matlock from Abba's SOS while we're at it.

Explain to me then why the Ramones were going before them?
I hadn't really thought of them, they where going before them, however it was the Pistols that made punk huge.

Velvet Underground was not punk rock. Nearly every punk rock band after the Ramones has tried to copy Joey's voice but to no avail. The Ramones were like the hard core beach boys...now known as punk.


AND I'M A SHE! A SHE I TELL YOU!

Either Pennywise or NOFX

Kennedys, no question.

The Ramones and Clash are ahead only because they're the bands everyone's heard of.

Kennedys, no question.

The Ramones and Clash are ahead only because they're the bands everyone's heard of.

I heard others and I like other bands, but the Ramones are still tops for me.

Ahem (clearing throat):

I was there at the time. For reasons I won't get into here (cuz I DONT CARE!) the following bands on your list do not count:
The Ramones (not punk)
MC5, NYDolls, STooges etc. were pre-punk...all due respect, but not punk per se.
Rancid. A good band, punk-style, not punk.

What do you mean by "best"?
What do you mean by "punk"? :gundge:

It's hard or even impossible to say because Punk as any other from of rock has so many off shoots and, sub-genres. Every band is the best at their own unique brand of a style at what they do unless they're total commercial crap(Good Charlotte comes to mind ever so easilly when it comes to comercial crap). Heck, goth, ska in it's current form, synth, grunge and, emo all grew out of or were influenced by punk in some way, shape, or form. There hasn't really been a single form of punk since the late 70s, we've even had Post-Punk bands for years. Most people will be biased to their own form of punk anyway so there's no way to tell.

Nearly every punk rock band after the Ramones has tried to copy Joey's voice but to no avail.

Name me one band outside the confines of pop-punk that have tried to copy Joey Ramone's Jewish drawl, would you?

Easy to choose. Though the problem was that there's a different between "greatest" and "best". I picked the Ramones, not because I think they're the best (though they're good) but because they were the most influential.

Let me get this staright... You use the name Jello Biafra and you DIDN'T pick Dead Kennedys?
*Head Explodes*

I picked Black Flag just because of the bands there I like them the most(honorable mentions to Ramones and Misfits).

And the Ramones v. Sex Pistols, who started the punk movement argument. They started at about the same time (1975). They basically created their sounds independently of each other so neither of them is the sole 'founder' of the punk genre. And as far as Iggy and the Stooges, and the rest of them go, it's like the heavy metal arguement. Were Black Sabbath and The Cream really heavy metal or just the 'missing link' as it were that bridged the gap?

Fun Ramones fact: They did a cover of the song that Motorhead made as a tribute to the Ramones (R.A.M.O.N.E.S.)

Bad Religion, lyrical genius, and by far one of the most politically motivated bands ever.

Honorable mention: The Ramones, The Misfits, The Sex Pistols, Social Distortion, Rancid I could go on for hours, so Ill stop there. :p

sex pistols started it. It remains with the sex pistols.

thank god good charlotte was on the list cause anybody who would vote for them would automatically go to hell.

punk music is crap anyway... goooo classic rock!!!
Classic Rock is just punk's gay brother. They fit in the same family :)

Fun Ramones fact: They did a cover of the song that Motorhead made as a tribute to the Ramones (R.A.M.O.N.E.S.)
LOL... I always thought the Ramones had written a song about theirselves

Classic Rock is just punk's gay brother. They fit in the same family :)

Noooo. Glam is punk's gay brother. Classic rock is punk's alcoholic brother. :)

LOL... I always thought the Ramones had written a song about theirselves
I checked the credits in the CD my friend had. Had Kilmister on there.

sex pistols started it. It remains with the sex pistols.
The phrase was actually first applied to the WHO, but in any case...

its a little hard to define who or what what really was the first of anything, since really its all a blend of styles and sourced out sounds. Thats not to deny anyone originality, but I wont give anyone a categorical first for that reason!! :)

Had to go for The Damned myself.

Good Charlotte. Come on, you know you like it.


(*tries to keep a straight face, because most people here wouldn't understand sarcasm if it smacked them in the face*)

Good Charlotte. Come on, you know you like it.


(*tries to keep a straight face, because most people here wouldn't understand sarcasm if it smacked them in the face*)
Is this the part where we kill you and eat you for bringing up Good Charlotte? Good Charlotte are no joke my friend, they are a serious problem. :D

Noooo. Glam is punk's gay brother. Classic rock is punk's alcoholic brother. :)

But punk rock, itself, is not unfamiliar with drunken man-love.

I'm probably going to have to go with the Dead Kennedays. I respect the Ramones, the Clash, and the Sex Pistols for being very influential, but I never have an actual urge to listen to these bands. I'm not sitting around thinking "Man, I could really go for some Ramones right now."

Theyre good bands, but not my thing really.

And Leftover Crack is probably my favorite punk and/or skacore band right now.

A good list of choices, at least better than I've seen here before. As a rather lax punk rocker I'll have to go and say Dead Kennedys, although Black Flag, The Clash, The Damned, Rancid and The Sex Pistols really does it for me as well.

Walnut>> Leftover Crack is the shit! As is, of course, Choking Victim and No-Cash.

Up the p*nx,
AC.

DUDE! How COULD you forget NOFX??????
I may never forgive you.

Im gonna say The Buzzcocks, but I voted for the Dead Kennedy's on that list as the Dead Kennedy's are more hardcore punk. The Buzzcocks are just slipping in to post-punk.

Plus the fact that the Buzzcocks are still playing, as such must be either post or fucking dead, right? ;)

NOFX is allright, but never quite topped Rancid; and is a bit too newschool to enter the race for greatest band IMO.

And for all the wads here who just had to get in an argument about who started what, a good resource can be found HERE (http://en.wikipedia.org/Punk_rock). Not the best or anything, but a far sight better than most punx today, and the ones who were there in the beginning are either too dead or too toasted to make sense anyway.

Name me one band outside the confines of pop-punk that have tried to copy Joey Ramone's Jewish drawl, would you?

I said WITHIN punk.

I said WITHIN punk.

Yes, and I said 'pop-punk' (as it proves nothing to show that Ramones imitators are trying to imitate the Ramones).

Yes, and I said 'pop-punk' (as it proves nothing to show that Ramones imitators are trying to imitate the Ramones).

Well, I admit, I'm not down with the shiznit enough I guess. I still think the Ramones are THE classic punk band even though The Clash is the best. And whoever said they like the Dead Kennedy's...I detest them. They're lyrics are cool, but the noises they inflict upon my ears...OY.

Punk isn't really my speciality anyway. I know my classic rock and my favorite classification of rock is indie.

Are the Hives considered punk or just rocky?

Guess I'm in the minority with my vote for The Misfits. Something just gets me about a love song about regretting killing your girlfriend.

And whoever said they like the Dead Kennedy's...I detest them. They're lyrics are cool, but the noises they inflict upon my ears...OY.

They remain something of a musical curio: punk rock rhythm section with what is effectively country & western lead guitar over the top of it.


Are the Hives considered punk or just rocky?

I prefer not to consider them at all.

They remain something of a musical curio: punk rock rhythm section with what is effectively country & western lead guitar over the top of it.

>.>
<.<

You made that up.

:p

I have nothing against those who like punk, but don't exactly like it . . . seems a bit too tone deaf and angsty to me.

i found it quite hard to choose between the choice there...
personally, i'd go for the ramones, sex pistols, rancid, or the damned.
i went to see the damned earlier this year, they were excellent.


:p

And for all the wads here who just had to get in an argument about who started what, a good resource can be found HERE (http://en.wikipedia.org/Punk_rock). Not the best or anything, but a far sight better than most punx today, and the ones who were there in the beginning are either too dead or too toasted to make sense anyway.

This is a pretty accurate article, but it misses critical information on the WHO i once read from the mid sixties wherin the bandmates described themselves as "punks" (though im not sure if this predates the mentions listed within this other article). This reference would later be carried out as a theme, full scale, in the album "quadrophenia" which chronicled a punk's lifestyle through a punk's music. I would probably call the album "rock opera" now, but at the time...?? Im not sure how that would have been perceived. :confused:

Still, as Ive said, due to the inherent "blending" of musical styles it really becomes a rather unprovable point to try and say definitively "this band started this" or "this band was the first..." etc etc.

Just thought that reference to the WHO should be listed, since they did make a very early use of the word in that sense. :)

PS: Im a Wad!?!?! hahahaha! :p

This is a pretty accurate article, but it misses critical information on the WHO i once read from the mid sixties wherin the bandmates described themselves as "punks" (though im not sure if this predates the mentions listed within this other article). This reference would later be carried out as a theme, full scale, in the album "quadrophenia" which chronicled a punk's lifestyle through a punk's music. I would probably call the album "rock opera" now, but at the time...?? Im not sure how that would have been perceived. :confused:

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At the time, it was called rock opera.

But very much not punk music. It was one of the things (some) punks were reacting against.

I would have to go with the Clash

to put a new band into the mix:

GREEN DAY

Since none of them are really punk bands, I would have to go with other. I personally would have to pick Squiggy, out of NJ.

The Ramones. Not only are they the greatest punk band of all time, they're also one of the greatest rock n' roll bands of all time. I can't believe there's even any question about this.

P.S.

Refused Are Fuckin' Dead.

but still excellent.

>.>
<.<

You made that up.

:p

Are you denying that C&W music is a major influence on East Bay Ray's guitar style?

Still No Green Day Fans Out There
Thats Cool

Still No Green Day Fans Out There
Thats Cool

They were entertaining enough when I saw them in '94, but were too much in the thrall of Operation Ivy and the Who to be really interesting.

At the time, it was called rock opera.

But very much not punk music. It was one of the things (some) punks were reacting against.

nevertheless, "quadrophenia" is a great album, pure musical genius - but no matter, the point im trying to make is that its impossible to define what is punk and whats not, the category is too broad and the definitions are too grey.

Music in general is too hard to categorize, its change is always evolutionary, never sudden or truly extreme. How do you classify something as punk, when within that categorical range we go from "The Sex Pistols" to some boy band shit like "Reliant K" or "Good Char." that is also lumped into this category?

Thats the dillemma isnt it. :(

Are you denying that C&W music is a major influence on East Bay Ray's guitar style?
Err...maybe?


Damn.


(if the :p wasn't a hint enough...)

Walnut>> Leftover Crack is the shit! As is, of course, Choking Victim and No-Cash.


Hell yeah! INDK and Morning Glory are excellent too.

but still excellent.

Reeeefuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuused
Party
Proooooograaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaam!

Crass.

i'm going to let you all in on my secret shame. i have never heard a crass song.

i'm the worst anarcho-punk ever. probably why i gave up wearing a mohawk.

7 Seconds
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Distillers










okey doke, you caught me, I'm a poser. My friends are into punk. The first two bands are on the sleeves of my friend's jacket, the third a friend of mine plays bass for. But I would have thought that someone would have said them by now...

I'm voting for DKs, but you need At The Drive In on there, Indian Summer too. :D

PS: And where's the Refused?

PPS: I'll survive without Indian Summer on there.

I'm voting for DKs, but you need At The Drive In on there, Indian Summer too.
Is Indian Summer considered punk now? I was pretty sure they fell into the emo catergory. The real emo catergory. As for At the Drive In, from what I have heard, they don't sound very punk.

Pretty much everyone agrees that the Ramones invented punk rock. I would consider the MC5, and the Stooges to be "pre-punk". It is a bit difficult to determine who did invent punk, because, as it was said, music is evolutionary. Furthermore, the band Suicide claims to have been around since '71 and claims to be the first punk band.

Let me get this staright... You use the name Jello Biafra and you DIDN'T pick Dead Kennedys?
*Head Explodes*Yes, as I said, there's a difference between greatest and best, because I view greatest as incorporating the influence the band had, whereas I view best as just judging the band's music itself. The Dead Kennedys influenced more heavy metal bands than they did punk bands.

And I have to say I'm surprised that no one's mentioned the Germs or Minor Threat or Fugazi yet.

L:isten to Combat Rock and London Calling and you will never doubt the greatness of the Clash.
(Although they're not really punk, I have to mention Joy Division, who sort rose out of the fading of the punk scene)

Since none of them are really punk bands, I would have to go with other. I personally would have to pick Squiggy, out of NJ.


Ah yes, 'none of these are obscure enough to be punk so I'll throw out some talentless NJ Oi band.' I'm so impressed.

Given the choices, I'd say DK.

Kill the poor.

L:isten to Combat Rock and London Calling and you will never doubt the greatness of the Clash.
(Although they're not really punk, I have to mention Joy Division, who sort rose out of the fading of the punk scene)

The later work of the Clash is utter crap (my opinion of course).

Majeure>> You would be right.

Maximus>> we are all wads, when push comes to shove ;) I agree critical info on the WHO is missing, but what the hell - the word originated with music journalists who detested the new sounds, but didn't consider it good enough to be 'new wave' ;)

Free Soviets>> Shame on you! Go and download it all, ALL I tells you! Is the Anarchy region still working out, BTW? My nation got deleted, so I'm out of touch with you, Letila and all the rest.

Jello>> That would very, very much depending on where you look. Here in Denmark and even more so in Germany and Holland, a veritable horde of DIY bands are inspired more or less by DK, save that they sing in their native language, and most if not all have become huge hits on the local underground scene. Just FYI - I'm not saying that they got big by copying DK, but they have used a lot of the same approaches(incorporating big political issues in a strongly sarcastic manner in their lyrics, portraying love and sex in a very unromatic manner, that kind of stuff).

Jello>> That would very, very much depending on where you look. Here in Denmark and even more so in Germany and Holland, a veritable horde of DIY bands are inspired more or less by DK, save that they sing in their native language, and most if not all have become huge hits on the local underground scene. Just FYI - I'm not saying that they got big by copying DK, but they have used a lot of the same approaches(incorporating big political issues in a strongly sarcastic manner in their lyrics, portraying love and sex in a very unromatic manner, that kind of stuff).
Really? That's interesting, and good to know. I guess I assumed that since Slayer and Napalm Death are the only two bands that I know of that were influenced by the Dead Kennedys, that they influenced mainly metal bands.

a friend of mine plays bass for [the Distillers].
Your mates with Ryan Sinn?

Anyhoo, Dead Kennedys are my choice, although the Clash follow close second. But then we could get into an argument over the bands listed.

Rancid=punk? More skacore IMO, and Op Ivy are a far superior skacore band compared to Rancid.

Crass.

Banned from the thread OK
Never wanted to be listed there anyway!

I'm just sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo punk!

Who are you (unsucsesfully) attempting to ban? Crass or RPP?
Crass are really good, IMO

Didn't you ever hear that crass song "Banned from the Roxy"? If not you should download it--it kicks ass

Didn't you ever hear that crass song "Banned from the Roxy"? If not you should download it--it kicks ass

I have heard it, I'm just being a right idiot and not recognising lyrics.

I saw Someone Else at CBGB's back in the day. They really tore it up. Deservedly #1.

Hahaha.

As for me, I would have to say Dead Kennedys for sure. I own every one of their albums.

The Clash and the Ramones are great, though I never did like the Sex Pistols.

For all of you who are begging for Rancid, Nofx and all that Fat Wreck shit, may a DISCHARGE album hit you in the head.

i'm going to let you all in on my secret shame. i have never heard a crass song.

i'm the worst anarcho-punk ever. probably why i gave up wearing a mohawk.

You have the world in front of you with ample technology to hear the shit. Get to it, man!

And mohawks are over-rated, as were the Sex Pistols.

Enough with all the sublabels, will you guys? Operation Ivy and Rancid considered themselves punk bands, even though they use a lot of ska/reggae stuff in their songs.

Enough with all the sublabels, will you guys? Operation Ivy and Rancid considered themselves punk bands, even though they use a lot of ska/reggae stuff in their songs.

and both suck.

Crass is alright, Conflict is better if you're talking Anarcho-Punk.

The Clash, with The Pogues as a close second.

and both suck.

Crass is alright, Conflict is better if you're talking Anarcho-Punk.

...but hey, it doesn't have to be an either/or situation - you can have Steve Ignorant performing as part of Conflict on the Turning Rebellion Into Money LP.

Zarbia>> I pity your taste in punk, bugger.

Crass is better than Conflict IMO, but they come from roughly the same background and same style, so it's down there.

and both suck.

Crass is alright, Conflict is better if you're talking Anarcho-Punk.

What?! All you punk rock elitists bashing are rancid ridiculous, they are one of the greatest punk bands ever .

Conflict is better then Crass but I think they just copied Crass's blend of politics and ranting, however, they are actually competent musicians unlike Crass who were like "lets get drunk and not actually learn to play our instruments and lets all never take voice lessons".

I mean Crass rules and all but they just weren't good at music.

Your mates with Ryan Sinn?

yeppers. He was my supervisor at the record store and we had talked about doing some surf stuff together, but at least I was all talk. I even helped talk him into the car he bought before he got in the band. (he doesn't have it anymore. I don't know what he's driving now, I haven't seen him since they did the Warped tour a while ago.) But I knew him as Ryan Sennet or however he spelled his last name-that never came up much. Cool guy, not much of supervisor, but I'm sure that doesn't break his heart.

Why was there no mention of Circle Jerks in the poll? Although I prefer the ramones, Circle jerks were cool too.

Is Indian Summer considered punk now? I was pretty sure they fell into the emo catergory. The real emo catergory. As for At the Drive In, from what I have heard, they don't sound very punk.

Indian Summer are emo, but emo is still a subgenre of punk, much like hardcore, or crust or grind.

Elton John

...Although I would be very inclined to punch people who told me crust, grind or emo was real punk rock.

Crass did improve musically, just like they improved politically. When they started they were very charged with vodka, braces and music that was basically energetic, rousing... Shit.

Later on they became a very serious and quite sober artistically developed ensemble. Whether that is punk is up to the individual observer to decide, I guess.

The Clash. Period.

This subject is closed. Please exit to the right, and enjoy the complementary refreshments.

Seriously, though. The Clash. No contest.

Zarbia>> I pity your taste in punk, bugger.

Crass is better than Conflict IMO, but they come from roughly the same background and same style, so it's down there.

I've been into punk for 6 years, my taste in the music is wide.

Anarcho-punk isn't even that great, and crust I cannot stand. My favorite style is hardcore followed closely by oi, 77, and 82.

I'll take a Germs or State or Circle Jerks album over Conflict anyday.
And when I say hardcore I mean 70's and 80's hardcore, none of this modern macho speedmetal scream shit.

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Honorable mentions (some of these are more hardcore than punk, but anywayz):

The Dickies
X Ray Specs
The Saints
Stranglers
DRI
Suicidal Tendencies
Stooges

Honorable mentions (some of these are more hardcore than punk, but anywayz):

The Dickies
X Ray Specs
The Saints
Stranglers
DRI
Suicidal Tendencies
Stooges

None of those are hardcore.

And when I say hardcore I mean 70's and 80's hardcore, none of this modern macho speedmetal scream shit.

Any suggestions from that period?

Reagan Youth (one of my favorite bands)
Minor Threat
DK
Genetic Control
State
The Germs
Black Flag
Bad Brains
Flag of Democracy
Fear
SS Decontrol
The Necros
and so, so many more!

Genetic Control
State

Enlighten me about these two, I haven't encountered them before.

Enlighten me about these two, I haven't encountered them before.

Both have stuff that is very difficult to find.

Genetic Control is alright, I've got a rare demo of theirs from '83 I believe.

State is much better, I really want to buy some of their albums although some are hard to find.

I can send you some State songs if you want. jon_ander_i@hotmail.com

Both have stuff that is very difficult to find.

Genetic Control is alright, I've got a rare demo of theirs from '83 I believe.

State is much better, I really want to buy some of their albums although some are hard to find.


Early US hardcore then?

Bad Religion, lyrical genius, and by far one of the most politically motivated bands ever.

Honorable mention: The Ramones, The Misfits, The Sex Pistols, Social Distortion, Rancid I could go on for hours, so Ill stop there. :p

Yup.

I said other. Other = Bad Religion

Saw them in concert with Less Than Jake.

Zarbia>> Statement withdrawn, then. Our tastes are eerily alike, in fact! Reagan Youth so happens to be one of my fave bands of the period! SS Decontrol and Black Flag is the shit, as far as "popular" bands go(at least, I've heard of them ni this musical shithole of a country).

Oi is the shit too, but is often plagued by hideously untalented musicians - I guess it has its charm at times, but in the ultra-DIY scene here in Copenhagen, it gets outta hand sometimes. And there's just too much crust and "modern" hardcore, which is hell. However, there's also a handful of bands that are really world class when it comes to hardcore and street punk - Almost all singing in Danish though, so I doubt they'll make it far beyond the border, although a few have been to the states.

You'll get a mail from me regarding that State stuff, btw. I've been searching forever, so if you have a record, we should discuss ripping it ;)

I mean Crass rules and all but they just weren't good at music.

Are you shitting me? Have you not listened to Penis Envy?

NOFX should really be on this poll is Rancid is...

Every band you have there sucks hard. Nothing nor anyone can come close to the Australian band "THE SAINTS"!!!!!!

I only read about 3 post all up, but if anyone mentions Blink 182 or Good Charlotte you should go home and cry, cause they could suck the chrome off a trailor hitch.

Early US hardcore then?

Yeah.

Zarbia>> Statement withdrawn, then. Our tastes are eerily alike, in fact! Reagan Youth so happens to be one of my fave bands of the period! SS Decontrol and Black Flag is the shit, as far as "popular" bands go(at least, I've heard of them ni this musical shithole of a country).

Cool. I like many more hardcore bands as well.

Oi is the shit too, but is often plagued by hideously untalented musicians - I guess it has its charm at times, but in the ultra-DIY scene here in Copenhagen, it gets outta hand sometimes. And there's just too much crust and "modern" hardcore, which is hell. However, there's also a handful of bands that are really world class when it comes to hardcore and street punk - Almost all singing in Danish though, so I doubt they'll make it far beyond the border, although a few have been to the states.

I used to be really into Oi. I still listen to it at times but not as much. I've never heard any Danish punk, although Swedish punk is cool. Mob 47 anyone?
I hate crust and I hate crusty punks, they are stupid and smell like shit.

You'll get a mail from me regarding that State stuff, btw. I've been searching forever, so if you have a record, we should discuss ripping it ;)

I don't have the record, I've got the self-titled album in mp3s. I have shitloads of other records, rare stuff too. I got them all from my uncle, he used to be a punk back in '77 til the late 80's, haha. He died of a heroin overdose though so I got his shit.

Have the Partisans been mentioned? 17 Years Of Hell is a classic song.

Zarb>>

Personally I regard crusties(everywhere but in Denmark anyway) as good people, if you can stand the music and the smell. Unfortunately, the crust in Denmark has merged 100% with the anal retentive straight edge vegan anarcho-punk subculture, so I can't stand their guts anymore.

Swedish Oi is all good, except a bunch of them are nazis. That doesn't do anything for me, but yeah, otherwise there's a lot of good scandi-oi.

Tough shit about your uncle, but that is the way most punks went, unfortunately. I'll mail you about the mp3s, btw.

And to the aussie chap, ligthen up mate. The Saints might have been one of the original handful of punk bands, but they werent *that* good.

Have the Partisans been mentioned? 17 Years Of Hell is a classic song.

My favorite oi band.

Zarb>>

Personally I regard crusties(everywhere but in Denmark anyway) as good people, if you can stand the music and the smell. Unfortunately, the crust in Denmark has merged 100% with the anal retentive straight edge vegan anarcho-punk subculture, so I can't stand their guts anymore.

I don't mind straight edgers, I'm just not one. What's the world without a little pot?

Swedish Oi is all good, except a bunch of them are nazis. That doesn't do anything for me, but yeah, otherwise there's a lot of good scandi-oi.

Nazis? Really? Never knew that.

Tough shit about your uncle, but that is the way most punks went, unfortunately. I'll mail you about the mp3s, btw.

Right on.

I voted for the Clash although it was tough to choose between they and the Sex Pistols. I would put the Ramones next, when you're talking "best" (which I read as most influential...).

My personal favorite though would be Siouxsie & the Banshees, which you may or may not classify as punk...depends on who you are talking to...

Oh, and there has to be some mention of the Dead Milkmen...

My favorite oi band.

:D

Scandinavia is pretty fucked when it comes to nazi sentiment - It's not bad here in Denmark thanks to a very strong anti-fascist movement, but Sweden and Norway's got it bad.

I agree on the pot smoking. I'm a classic drunk punk, so it does come to an argument with the sXe crowd now and then. A shame really, I think they got it better than a lot of us. No money out the ass for skunk and no hangovers - They got it good, but I can't stand the whole worldview in that clique.

I will get right on that mailing, now. :p

I can't smoke weed and listen/play punk. It just doesn't work for me...doesn't sound as good as other stuff when high.

Booze, on the other hand is a different story :)

I mix and match them. I can't play/sing worth shit anyway, so what's the use? ;)

I mix and match them. I can't play/sing worth shit anyway, so what's the use? ;)

Haha, it fits the punk mould though :)

I don't drink, but I do like to get stoned.

My bandmates and I liked to get together, get high, and jam. Fun times. We played at this party once, and we all decided to get high before we played. I have pics from that show, I'll post 'em some day. Haha.

i myself like alot of bands but theres a local one here called heaven controband and i love them as to the pot and drinking ive quit pot havent done it in awhile still drink though i can slam 'em as hard as the guys

Roxburry>> As far as punk bands go, there is no band as good as the local heroes, is there?

I personally dig an old Copenhagen outfit know as Guddommelig Galskab(Translated, "Divine Madness"), which play much in the vein of Dead Kennedys in regards to their subject matter and style, only with Danish lyrics. It's really great!

Anyway, if any of you guys have punk bands, you should throw the mp3s here! I haven't recorded yet, but it will all be available online and non-profit when the time comes.

156 votes as of this post - and not even one vote for the New York Dolls? Does no one else consider them a founding punk band? :eek: :upyours:

(Yeah, I voted the Ramones, but 0% for the Dolls? That's just plain un-punk!)

I recognize them, but I don't like it as much as, say, Kennedys or Black Flag. However, without the Dolls or that creep Malcolm Mclaren, the Sex Pistols would never have existed.

Booooooooo Sex Pistols

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Didn't say I liked them, did I know? I'm just admitting that the Dolls are responsible for the rise of the Sex Pistol and UK punk in general(although it would probably have happened anyway if the Pistols had not existed. Up the punks and all that tripe..).

I voted Dead Kennedys, but I feel like The Offspring should be on that list somewhere. I know they've gone mainstream in their recent CD's, but there old stuff is great.

The rea-e-e-e-lly old stuff is decent. As was Green Days stuff, actually. They played here in Denmark before they went pop and broke into the mainstream. - great thrashy drunk punk. It'd surprise the shit out of anyone hearing them today.

The rea-e-e-e-lly old stuff is decent. As was Green Days stuff, actually. They played here in Denmark before they went pop and broke into the mainstream. - great thrashy drunk punk. It'd surprise the shit out of anyone hearing them today.

Quiet with you and Denmark! :P

He liked State. :)

I agree on the pot smoking. I'm a classic drunk punk, so it does come to an argument with the sXe crowd now and then. A shame really, I think they got it better than a lot of us. No money out the ass for skunk and no hangovers - They got it good, but I can't stand the whole worldview in that clique.
What about their worldview don't you like? And I take it you don't like Minor Threat, right?

Noooo. Glam is punk's gay brother. Classic rock is punk's alcoholic brother. :)

No, no, no... GOTH is Punk's gay brother, honey. *wink* Sometimes it crossdresses and people mistake it for Punk's bisexual little sister, but that's another story altogether.

Glam is Punk's dorky cousin. The one that never gets laid.

But yes, Classic is definately Punk's alkoholic older brother.

And OMFG!!!! Do NOT even think about calling either Green Day or the Offspring Punk. My granny's more Punk than the entire population of BOTH bands rolled together in a beatup Volkswagen covered with Circle Jerks band stickers. Eeeesh! Punk my ass...

my ass...
Your ass? <Perk> Oops, sorry, wrong thread. :p

Please don't tell me that someone has mentioned Blink 182...

What do u classify Nirvana as? cause their amazing :rolleyes: as for another great band... ANTI-FLAG their amazing :cool: the guy cant sing but theyve got good lyrics and amazing beats

Nirvana is grunge. But to be honest, theres so much stereo typing these days. If i was to put my favourite style of music, these days i would have an essay of styles, classic rock, metal, emo, hardcore, post hardcore, metal core. Its ridiculous. Whatever happened to being a rock fan?

(and i'm only 15. Oh deary me.)

Either Pennywise or NOFX

*throws chairs at Rokolev*

The sex pistols were punk embodied, during the queen's jubilee they went up and down the river thames playing "god save the queen".

Now that's punk, more than any other band. They formed in 1972, the Ramones in 1976 as well, and defined what punk should be, and was for a while before Poseurs killed it.

But for sheer tuneage, the refused get my vote.

Please don't tell me that someone has mentioned Blink 182...

Green Day and Good Charlote, but not that yet. :::crosses fingers:::

Green Day and Good Charlote, but not that yet. :::crosses fingers:::

*cries*

they arent punk, they are rock.

Punk is angry, challenging and different. Mathcore is punk, industrial is punk even goth when it was first a depressing conter movement to macho rock, is punk. "Punk" pop is not punk. Ever. Anyone can have politics (and some of them do) but you have to mean them and scare people in doing so.

*cries*

they arent punk, they are rock.

Punk is angry, challenging and different. Mathcore is punk, industrial is punk even goth when it was first a depressing conter movement to macho rock, is punk. "Punk" pop is not punk. Ever. Anyone can have politics (and some of them do) but you have to mean them and scare people in doing so.

Note *I* didn't mention them.

RAMONES! w00t w00t., i do prefer the screamingandyellingsothatyoucan'tunderstandawordthatisbeingsaid,soyouknowitkicksass punk, but those aren't the big guys, and the ramones still rock.

No, no, no... GOTH is Punk's gay brother, honey. *wink* Sometimes it crossdresses and people mistake it for Punk's bisexual little sister, but that's another story altogether.

Glam is Punk's dorky cousin. The one that never gets laid.

Wtf? The glam rockers were the crossdressers.

Goths are lame, they just run around being miserable and cutting their wrists. They should all hang themselves and get it over with.

For those who are bashing pop punk, you should seriously go listen to:

The Descendents
999
The Buzzcocks
The Undertones
Screeching Weasel

oh and THE RAMONES which everyone seems to love. ;)

156 votes as of this post - and not even one vote for the New York Dolls? Does no one else consider them a founding punk band? :eek: :upyours:

(Yeah, I voted the Ramones, but 0% for the Dolls? That's just plain un-punk!)

Dude, The Saints are the only true fathers of Punk...they were around before the Sex Pistols...

Green Day and Good Charlote, but not that yet. :::crosses fingers:::

Ah they are not Punk...never will be.

The Saints - Australian
One Inch Punch - Australian

etc are Punk...

*throws chairs at Rokolev*

The sex pistols were punk embodied, during the queen's jubilee they went up and down the river thames playing "god save the queen".

Now that's punk, more than any other band. They formed in 1972, the Ramones in 1976 as well, and defined what punk should be, and was for a while before Poseurs killed it.

But for sheer tuneage, the refused get my vote.

You forgot the Saints!

They were around before the Pistols...

Green Day and anyone who disagrees is bed wetting Britney Spears fan... Aha That should stop anyone disagreeing. (another cunning plan from Daniel)

Green Day and anyone who disagrees is bed wetting Britney Spears fan... Aha That should stop anyone disagreeing. (another cunning plan from Daniel)

Yeah, MTV is so PUNK RAWK!!11

Hey Ladies. You Think You Know Pumkl Rock. Oh Hell You Do.

Where's Tat Damn Scottish Kid. I Mean Anihs.

Sily Boy. Ok. Captain Spanky Signing Off, Seeya Tomorrow Troops. Good Morningi Vietnam!

The Clash. [<--- period. see the period?]

Thats A Box Hahaha

Definantly Bad Religion. There isn't anything cooler than a punk with a PHD, since it makes their arguments all the more convincing.
A quote from one of my songs that I think no one will be able to understand without a dictionary.
: ratiocination is a practicable way to derive / an attitude of altitude and probity by which to abide / or maybe a theophany of flaming creosote in disguise.

Wtf? The glam rockers were the crossdressers.

Goths are lame, they just run around being miserable and cutting their wrists. They should all hang themselves and get it over with.

Bah, shows what you know. No razor scars on my wrists, no needle tracks in my arms... OMGz I even wear colors other than black! Oh yeah. I forgot. Your concept of Goth is based entirely on trendy little Mansonites moping around campus going "life sux, get it over with" between bouts of trying to freak out the normal kids... and stupid movies like the Craft.

You were probably born after I graduated highschool. Which was about the time Punk was wheezing out its last breath.

Oh...

Green Day, Blink 182, Good Charlotte.... all POP!!!! Mainstream-Alterna-Pop, packaged to appeal to the young and angsty who, like every other person in the world, thinks that no one understands and that <insert institution here> is trying to put them down. Wah wah wah! Buncha whiny, pseudo-rebellious pantywaists.

Nirvana???? Dude... Nirvana and Pearl Jam are GRUNGE. Seattle Garage Grunge. Cobaine's drugged out harpy of a wife (Courtney Love) is more punk than he was.

My Fav punk bands were, in order;

Sex Pistols
The Clash
The Damned
The Buzzcocks
The Ramones
Dead Kennedy's
Undertones

It's probably a bit silly to have a thread asking which punk (or any genre) band were the best because everyone has different idea's.

To each his own etc.........

What about their worldview don't you like? And I take it you don't like Minor Threat, right?

- I take it you believe I don't like sXe people and it's culture/music in general, which wasn't what I meant to say. It's just that in Denmark, anarcho-, crust- and sXe-punk has merged into one very homogenous subculture with a very religious take on life in general and politics in particular. The once very tolerant people have become a very intolerent-about-tolerance crowd, and they take it out on everyone else because they're right - And that sort of thing gets on my nerves. It wasn't a dis on Minor Threat, whom I consider pretty good, or anyone else.

There isn't anything cooler than a punk with a PHD...

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yes I know, DK and the Cash got all the votes so far, but Black Flag is #1 to me! GIMME GIMME I NEED SOME MORE!! GIMMIE GIMMIE DONT ASK WAT FOR !1234 ect..


now if the question was who was the best commercal punk band, its the Clash,all day long, and they sound good, but if you want raw punk its the black flag!!!


(Like the rammones and DK also)

I would like the mention " The Business" yeah I know its Oi, but its still good.


I while I have your eyes, I will now shill my region.

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yeah I know i have no shame,and im a regional ad whore ;)

The greatest thing about the Punk movement was the return to humility in rock music. You can't say that any band was greatest, because none aspired to be the greatest.

Plus the Ramones and the Dolls were protopunk, more along the last bands of the garage era more than anything.

Bah, shows what you know. No razor scars on my wrists, no needle tracks in my arms... OMGz I even wear colors other than black! Oh yeah. I forgot. Your concept of Goth is based entirely on trendy little Mansonites moping around campus going "life sux, get it over with" between bouts of trying to freak out the normal kids... and stupid movies like the Craft.

You were probably born after I graduated highschool. Which was about the time Punk was wheezing out its last breath.

Um, no.

Are you a member of a Germanic people who invaded the Roman Empire in the early centuries of the Christian era?

Didn't think so.

Those are the real goths.

Goths are only one kind of punks in the modern day. However, wearing black, doesn't make you a goth. Black studded leather.... is a whole nother matter :rolleyes: .

I hate the way people complain about how "comercialized" punk has become... I like to point out to people complaining about it that the Sex Pistols were an advertisement for a bondage store.

Goths are only one kind of punks in the modern day. However, wearing black, doesn't make you a goth. Black studded leather.... is a whole nother matter :rolleyes: .

I hate the way people complain about how "comercialized" punk has become... I like to point out to people complaining about it that the Sex Pistols were an advertisement for a bondage store.Oh don't worry, I do. The Sex Pistols weren't too far off from a boy band. A nihilistic, angry boy band that tried to play the Ramones.

Oh don't worry, I do. The Sex Pistols weren't too far off from a boy band. A nihilistic, angry boy band that tried to play the Ramones.
lol agreed. sex pistols = boy band. and that leads me to...

THE CLASH!

I like Mission of Burma.

lol agreed. sex pistols = boy band. and that leads me to...

THE CLASH!

Who have also had songs on commercials as well as the Ramones.

Bring it in, bring it in, bring it in, bring it in...


Oh don't worry, I do. The Sex Pistols weren't too far off from a boy band. A nihilistic, angry boy band that tried to play the Ramones.
YEAH!

Classic Rock is just punk's gay brother. They fit in the same family :)

Dude, no. Classic Rock Rocks, pure and simple. Im not dissing punk rock, its good stuff and most of it by todays standard is classic rock. The Who, Rolling Stones, all count as classic rock, you cant dis that.

Dude, no. Classic Rock Rocks, pure and simple. Im not dissing punk rock, its good stuff and most of it by todays standard is classic rock. The Who, Rolling Stones, all count as classic rock, you cant dis that.

Sure you can...

I get to see Lars Frederickson and the Bastards in a few hours.

Lucky you! They're quite nice, despite Lars' tendency to talk dumb shit on stage.

- I take it you believe I don't like sXe people and it's culture/music in general, which wasn't what I meant to say. It's just that in Denmark, anarcho-, crust- and sXe-punk has merged into one very homogenous subculture with a very religious take on life in general and politics in particular. The once very tolerant people have become a very intolerent-about-tolerance crowd, and they take it out on everyone else because they're right - And that sort of thing gets on my nerves. It wasn't a dis on Minor Threat, whom I consider pretty good, or anyone else.
Ohh, I know exactly what you mean. Anti-Flag has a song about people like that. "You're not vegan? I'm gonna kick your ass!"

Green Day and anyone who disagrees is bed wetting Britney Spears fan... Aha That should stop anyone disagreeing. (another cunning plan from Daniel)

:rolleyes:

Brat! :::begins beating Anarchy 92 with as baseball bat:::

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Greenday, best punk band....


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True or false: male bassplayers wearing dresses on stage will smash the prevalent phallocentric patriarchical hegemony.

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True or false: male bassplayers wearing dresses on stage will smash the current patriarchical hegemony?

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Like Twisted Sister? :(

True or false: male bassplayers wearing dresses on stage will smash the prevalent phallocentric patriarchical hegemony.


How come I have the feeling this is a trick question :confused:

How come I have the feeling this is a trick question :confused:

The only trick here is that the Captain is playing guitar, rather than bass, in this picture, but he was originally on four string duty when Tony James was still in the band.

I like Mission of Burma.

Yay! for That's When I Reach For My Revolver.

Yup.

I said other. Other = Bad Religion.

Definantly Bad Religion. There isn't anything cooler than a punk with a PHD, since it makes their arguments all the more convincing.

Ahhh, Im glad to see there are other people who can appreciate the lyrical integrity of this band. For those who dont know Bad Religion (though Im not sure if thats possible), one listen to "Inner Logic" and you'll be hooked.

Ive seen them live a few times now, and its been better every time, the songs actually have something to say.

Ahhh, Im glad to see there are other people who can appreciate the lyrical integrity of this band. For those who dont know Bad Religion (though Im not sure if thats possible), one listen to "Inner Logic" and you'll be hooked.

Ive seen them live a few times now, and its been better every time, the songs actually have something to say.
And "Blitzkrieg Bop" and "Sheena was a Punkrocker" don't? :p

And "Blitzkrieg Bop"
If you want to remain sane, never listen to the Beautiful South's version of that (or their version of Don't Fear The Reaper)

If you want to remain sane, never listen to the Beautiful South's version of that (or their version of Don't Fear The Reaper)

Are you acquainted with Snuff's 400mph version of DFTR? Nice.


EDIT: as far as Ramones covers go I would lean towards the Nutley Brass LP of a brass band playing lounge versions of the tunes... somewhat in the same vein as Black Velvet Flag and their easy-listening versions of tunes such as Institutionalised, Wasted and Amoeba but somehow more convincing and less camp.

And "Blitzkrieg Bop" and "Sheena was a Punkrocker" don't? :p

haha! Oh yeah! those 5 lines outside of "sheena is a punk rocker" really outline the lyrical diversity in that song!!

Great music, hard to deny the juvenile lyrics though!! haha!

:p

Are you acquainted with Snuff's 400mph version of DFTR? Nice.

Yes, I used to have it on my computer. Mysteriously vanished though :confused:

(Probably accidently deleted though, or misnamed it)

Yes, I used to have it on my computer. Mysteriously vanished though :confused:

(Probably accidently deleted though, or misnamed it)

Now that is odd, because I made the post and then did a search on my computer for it, only to find that it too had vanished. Personally I suspect the (ahem) 'lizard people'.


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The first time I saw Snuff was in late '89. Boy was that shocking, I'd never heard a note by them and wasn't expecting anything special. Wow. This is just after the first LP came out, but before the Corblimey... 12". Fantastic to have seen them at their prime before their schtick became somewhat tired. IIRC it was supporting Wat Tyler too - their drummer was whacked out of his head on painkillers and spent 15 minutes of their 20 minute set talking about setting up a self-help group for shingles sufferers...

The Sensational Alex Harvey Band.
Since I have seen a few of the bands mentioned that would be my call.
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The 13th Floor Elevators. They influenced most of the listed bands, and preceeded them by about ten years. Even the Stooges and the MC5 listened to the Elevators.

The Sensational Alex Harvey Band.


Much as I appreciated Alex Harvey and his dissolute drunken brand of Scottish blues, you really can't call them a punk band by any stretch of the imagination.

Are you acquainted with Snuff's 400mph version of DFTR? Nice.


Snuff...at one time I would have referred to them "party-rock" purely because an acquiantance of mine insisted on playing at least one Snuff record every time there was a gathering in his abode. I only have a couple of their songs on my computer. One of them is Chocs Away; you have to love that video.

Snuff...at one time I would have referred to them "party-rock" purely because an acquiantance of mine insisted on playing at least one Snuff record every time there was a gathering in his abode. I only have a couple of their songs on my computer. One of them is Chocs Away; you have to love that video.
Party-rock.... ROFL.

Like Andrew WK?

What I would like to know is: Was Captain Sensible really sensible?

Alex Harvey not punk? Hmmmmm most have been some other mosh pit.

And no matter how you slice it, it is all party rock. Just depends on the type of party you happen to be attending at the time.
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Honorable mentions (some of these are more hardcore than punk, but anywayz):

The Dickies
X Ray Specs
The Saints
Stranglers
DRI
Suicidal Tendencies
StoogesNone of those are hardcore.*shrugs* Depends on your terminology, I guess. In Australia, anyway, "hardcore" covered some of the more "metal" acts like DRI, SOD and ST, as well as Black Flag, Dead Kennedy's, DOA etc.

It's part of the reason I don't really like "pigeon holes" for music - sometimes it's very hard to get two people to agree on exactly what the definition of a particular genre is...I've even had arguments with people trying to tell me Motorhead wasn't heavy metal :p

Lucky you! They're quite nice, despite Lars' tendency to talk dumb shit on stage.
It was a damn good show. Lars did in fact talk a lot of shit on stage, which was understandable because it was the last stop on the tour. At one point he mentioned Bush and said it only took one bullet. I yelled that would only give us Cheney. Cheney = worse than Bush. He also kept mentioning how his taxes will be horrible next year. At least he had a sense of humor.

Um, no.

Are you a member of a Germanic people who invaded the Roman Empire in the early centuries of the Christian era?

Didn't think so.

Those are the real goths.

Har har har! Always at least one lippy little wank running around with the "barbarian horde arguement" thinking he's so clever whenever the Goth-babble begins. Get a grip, Zarbia, this isn't the Goth Godwin's Law threadkiller, it's just a trite little jab used by dumb jocks to flame Goth discussions. It wasn't all that clever when it first appeared and it's just boring now.

Good Charlotte and Simple Plan all the way :D :D :D

Good Charlotte and Simple Plan all the way :D :D :D
Don't forget Green Day!

Har har har! Always at least one lippy little wank running around with the "barbarian horde arguement" thinking he's so clever whenever the Goth-babble begins. Get a grip, Zarbia, this isn't the Goth Godwin's Law threadkiller, it's just a trite little jab used by dumb jocks to flame Goth discussions. It wasn't all that clever when it first appeared and it's just boring now.

:( DON'TBE MEN. NOOOOO.

Los Banditos>> You misunderstand me. I don't give a tin shit what he thinks about Bush and/or Cheney. He just has a tendency to forget his roots and talk a lot of shit he knows nothing about.

Panzerfaust United>> If you have any connection to or sympathy for Panzerfaust Records, you need to know this: You are the lowest imaginable form of scum of the earth. The sooner you kill yourself, the sooner the world will be a better place. Thank you and don't come again.

Los Banditos>> You misunderstand me. I don't give a tin shit what he thinks about Bush and/or Cheney. He just has a tendency to forget his roots and talk a lot of shit he knows nothing about.
Exactly. I don't go to a concert to hear a band tell me what they think about politics. Lars bitched most of the night about Bush and I kept wanting to yell a him to shut up and play "Skunx."

Panzerfaust
Down with Panzerfaust, long live Pansy Division!

Panzerfaust...haha oh boy.

Skrewdriver is alright despite some of the lyrics.

Does Green Day count?

Panzerfaust...haha oh boy.

Skrewdriver is alright despite some of the lyrics.

The first LP and a couple of the early 7"ers are fine street punk/rhythm & blues records, after that it all went terribly wrong...

Yeah.

I saw some black guy wearing a Skrewdriver shirt once. He was all decked out in bondage pants and Docs too, it was weird.

The first LP and a couple of the early 7"ers are fine street punk/rhythm & blues records, after that it all went terribly wrong...
Didn't they split and the front created a new [ahem] 'extreme' group under the same name?

Didn't they split and the front created a new [ahem] 'extreme' group under the same name?

Well, Ian Stuart who was in the original band reformed them a couple of years after they broke up as a neo-Nazi band. As an interesting side note Mark Radcliffe drummed for the original band at one point. The lyrics from the original band had no pro-Nazi stance whatsoever.

Well, Ian Stuart who was in the original band reformed them a couple of years after they broke up as a neo-Nazi band. As an interesting side note Mark Radcliffe drummed for the original band at one point. The lyrics from the original band had no pro-Nazi stance whatsoever.
I knew it was something like that, but suck at names.

While maybe not the most important punk band, Bad Religion is definitely the best I've heard.

punk music is crap anyway... goooo classic rock!!!

all hail CR

so glad to see that you don't have crap like good charlotte and simple plan on the list
all hail you for standing by your real punk

although i don't know much about this topic...i prefer classic rock...i definitely know the above bands are not punk <all hail you for standing strong and not giving in>


once again, all hail you

How about Killing Joke? Fugazi? Swans? The Dictators? Foetus? Are they classified as punk? With all this pigeonholing going on, I can't keep up :p

yeah..to be honest all this talk about what is and isn't punk gets very tiresome and is definitely not in the spirit of punk. I mean who cares really? If people think they're punks good for them - it's not up to you to tell them what they should be doing/believing/listening to.

yeah..to be honest all this talk about what is and isn't punk gets very tiresome and is definitely not in the spirit of punk. I mean who cares really? If people think they're punks good for them - it's not up to you to tell them what they should be doing/believing/listening to.

Agreed...punk is about doing your own thing and not caring what other people are into. Good point.

Goths are only one kind of punks in the modern day. However, wearing black, doesn't make you a goth. Black studded leather.... is a whole nother matter :rolleyes: .

I hate the way people complain about how "comercialized" punk has become... I like to point out to people complaining about it that the Sex Pistols were an advertisement for a bondage store.

It's funny how people don't know anything about Goths nowadays. Some of my friends are labelled as "goths" because they don't wear Abercrombie. Most of these friends are Catholic...*eye roll*

!!!!!!!!!!!!!ANTIFLAG!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are the ultimate and bloomin' exellent punk band ever!

"This is not a crass song!"

ew.

:( DON'TBE MEN. NOOOOO.

I'm not men. I'm a woman.

And mean? Mean is telling someone to go kill themselves and get it over with because you're an ignorant wank. But I didn't see anyone complaining about THAT little nugget of holiday cheer. Did you? Go buy some integrity.

How about Killing Joke? Fugazi? Swans? The Dictators? Foetus? Are they classified as punk? With all this pigeonholing going on, I can't keep up :p
I would classify Killing Joke, Swans, and Fugazi as industrial, and Fugazi as post-punk. I've never heard the Dictators, so I can't say how I'd classify them. All of them are also awesome, except, of course, for the Dictators, as I can't ascribe to their awesomeness, having not heard them.

http://www.thedictators.com/

I'm not men. I'm a woman.

And mean? Mean is telling someone to go kill themselves and get it over with because you're an ignorant wank. But I didn't see anyone complaining about THAT little nugget of holiday cheer. Did you? Go buy some integrity.

I was stoned when I posted that, excuse me.

LET'S JUST BE FRIENDS. :(

Fugazi is the original emo.

Emotional hardcore, not this whiny pussy shit from today.

i'm not reading this trainwreck of a thread, but i trust no one mentioned GOOD CLEAN FUN.

GOOD CLEAN FUN is probably the greatest band that ever lived...next to queen and pixies of course...keep it positive