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See the fifty posts Ive already given you with the same answer, go find them

yourself.

you've yet to answer that, beyond saying that you personally don't like it...that's not really an answer to the question.


Please dont, I'm reaching for the panadols already.

okay, then clearly the naturalness of something isn't the standard you use for morality. in that case, you have not answered the original question of how you determine right and wrong.


You threw the blacks in, not me, try not to lie, I know its hard for you.

must i really explain the difference between lying and pointed parody to you? honestly, my friend, you must give up these odd attempts to redefine English words into Termish.


LOL if I was you would be on a one way trip to the Jurrassic period.

uh oh, the joke must have been too complex...honey, i wasn't saying you were a literal time machine (as you lack sufficient complexity and therefore could not possibly be even the most rudamentary of machines), i was using it as an image device for irony. in other words, i was saying that your "logic" is the same that was spouted by the racists of yesteryear, and that listening to your rambles is a lovely way for today's youth to get a blast from the past. does that clear things up for you?


OMG your the only thing pathetic here, not to mention evil, strange you
would call heteros and their marriages weak and pitiful when your hetero
yourself,

reading comprehension, Termie, you really must try it some day. try reading my post again and you might discover that i did not insult heteros and their marriages, but rather the marriages of any people who have such weak unions that they would be threatened by the love and commitment of their neighbors. any person, gay or straight, who cannot honor their own partner if another citizen is permitted the same right is a worthless spouse and a horrid parent, and the government (and society) have no interest in preserving the "sanctity" of such worthless marriages.


honestly vinegar tits, just dry up and blow away.
i know the thought of my tits is often on your mind, dear Termie, but i am already spoken for. kindly demonstrate those wonderfully pure heterosexual values you speak so highly of, and refrain from fantasizing about another man's committed partner.

Uh,

Why does anyone care again? Does two people of the same sex calling themselves 'married' make any kind of difference what-so-ever?

I so don't care. I can't tell where that puts me on this issue, but I think we're making a big mountain out of a molehill on this. I'm also beginning to think that this is a ditraction issue to keep people focused on unimportant things while other issues go unattended.

Yeah well, plenty of other people agree with me, so if it gets put to a simple
vote, the outcome should be abided by.


It should never get put to a simple vote. Civil rights is not an issue for rule by majority. If it was, we would not have women's suffrage, equal rights for African Americans, etc.


yeah like, as if you would really consider mine. :rolleyes:

You ignorant twit! I used to be like you. I despised myself and the idea that I was gay and I hated the concept of gay marriage.

Further if you made an actual logical point, I would listen to it.

And since when has it been the right of the minority, to dictate to the

majority, what it should and shouldnt accept?

Whenever it is basic human rights at stake. You seem to miss the point htat just because gays get married it doesn't mean straight people have to do anything or be involved or go to the wedding.

Depends on what you think an arsehole is, one instance for me is a small

group of people telling a much larger group of people what it should and

shouldnt allow.


Kind of like the civil rights movement or the women's suffrage movement, right?

I think your being overdramatic about this, please calm down sir.

I dont consider gays subhuman,

and neither do most heteros I know.

Just dont think marriage, raising kids is for them.


Then you do in fact think we are subhuman. You can't say (as I've pointed out NUMBEROUS times on other forums) "I believe in gay equality" and at the same time say "Gays don't get equal rights." It's a non-sequator.

I honestly don't see the point in marriage.

Firstly, all hail Pracus, most sensible American I've ever met.

Anyway,

I love this word 'natural' Term keeps throwing around - of course, we all know exactly what is and is not natural, don't we?

If you want to look up Hansard for around 1906/07, you'll find a lot of speeches by Tory MPs in the British Parliament explaining, in detail, with lots of arguments, why 'nature' ordained the inferiority of women, their incapacity to use the right to vote responsibly (eerily similar to 'gays won't use marriage properly') and why it was only 'natural' that women didn't have the vote. I don't know, but I'm prepared to bet there are a lot of similar speeches made in congress by the Dixiecrats before desegregation was forced through.

Hence the problem with natural - you don't like to see two guys kissing, for me it feels like the most natural thing in the world.

1. We do not have a concept of 'natural' that is defined by popular vote.

2. Even if we did, We do not accept that some sort of tyranny by majority operates whereby I am forced to accept your conception of 'natural'



To get back to the main point - we absolutely don't take away the right for someone to marry because we think they'll use it irresponsibly - its a sovereign right.

Perhaps more importantly, I won't take away your right to marry because someone similar to you in one respect (i.e. they happen to be gay) got a divorce. Madness.



One last thing. Swedish divorce rate is 2.67 per thousand (my source is UNESCO, incidentally). Kinda beats 43% doesn't it? Civilisation isn't collapsing either, last time I checked.

Firstly, all hail Pracus, most sensible American I've ever met.

You must not've met many Americans ;)

But since you are British. . .are you gay too? I have a major thing for the British accent. You may have said you aren't, I'm not really sure cause I'm strung out on cold medicine at the moment, so I'm asking anyways and totally ramblind and probably totally losing any respect that I might've earned from you.

Three words: Yes they do. Because anything else is taking away their human rights, dammit. Gay's are not subhuman, they are perfectly normal people, just like you and I, that just happen to be more attracted to members of their own sex rather than the opposite.

Yeah well I dont think you guys have any right to seek them in the first

place, your gay remember.


I'm replying to this again because you kind of shot yourself in the foot by not backing up your opinion with any real evidence, nor addressing my comment about your trolling.

Try again?

It's not nice to make fun of those people, it's a mental illness like any other. They deserve our sympathy until a cure is found.

It's hilarious how wrong all the homophobes are. What's the point in arguing with them? They probably can't read your responses anyway.

I think that in this issue, of all issues, there truly is a side for the ignorant and a side for the intelligent.

what's with this "deserve" business? Since when is it something that you "deserve"?

It's easy to dismiss the opinion of anyone who disagrees with you as being ignorant or uninformed - it is also the height of presumption and arrogance.

It's easy to dismiss the opinion of anyone who disagrees with you as being ignorant or uninformed - it is also the height of presumption and arrogance.

I was wondering why he chose the word "deserve". If people want to get together, they have that right, regardless of law. "Deserve" has nothing to do with it.

It's not nice to make fun of those people, it's a mental illness like any other. They deserve our sympathy until a cure is found.

Troll much? :rolleyes:

Sentence fragment.

Sentence fragment.

I'll take that as a "yes." Don't feed 'em, folks...

Black people have trouble staying married because they are too busy complaining about how they are getting oppresed, and how white people are confusing them in the voting process.

Asian people stay together because they are stealing white peoples jobs and money.

Gay people shouldn't get married because no one wants to turn on the television and see two guys doing it. Its wrong.

I'll take that as a "yes." Don't feed 'em, folks...
I am allowed my opinions, dear. If you don't agree, feel free to deabte them, or ignore them, as you please.

I am allowed my opinions, dear. If you don't agree, feel free to deabte them, or ignore them, as you please.

Ok then.

It's easy to dismiss the opinion of anyone who disagrees with you as being ignorant or uninformed - it is also the height of presumption and arrogance.
Only, you ARE ignorant and uninformed.

Now the zinger.

It's not nice to make fun of those people, it's a mental illness like any other. They deserve our sympathy until a cure is found.
Actually, it's not. Ouch. There goes all your arguments.

Since you're here, then, do you fancy sharing the basis of your opinions with us?

I am allowed my opinions, dear. If you don't agree, feel free to deabte them, or ignore them, as you please.

Goed pretty much just took care of that. As I see it, you're either an ignorant or a troll. I gave you the benefit of the doubt. ;)

And somehow, someone with similar grammar skills posted an equally inflammatory comment 5 minuteslater. Gee, how strange. Then again, this topic does seem to attract the ignorant and their hollow opinions.

How can I compete with such a witty comeback, even if it is riding on someone elses back.
Lets all have a universal hug and embrace whatever deviancies come our way. Next thing you know tea baggers and leaf eaters will be pillars of society.
*beaks into a rousing round of Kumbyah*

It's easy to dismiss the opinion of anyone who disagrees with you as being ignorant or uninformed - it is also the height of presumption and arrogance.

We aren't just dismissing their opinions. We are considering them, analyzing them, and dissecting them (well, at least those of us on this side of the issue are). They don't seem to do the same for us. They don't give us reasons they disagree, people just say "I don't believe that" as if it is an acceptable method of debate.

Black people have trouble staying married because they are too busy complaining about how they are getting oppresed, and how white people are confusing them in the voting process.

Asian people stay together because they are stealing white peoples jobs and money.

Gay people shouldn't get married because no one wants to turn on the television and see two guys doing it. Its wrong.


How often have you turned the TV on to see two striaght people doing it?

And beyond that, there is the issue of capitalism here. If people don't want to see it, TV networks aren't going to run it because of low ratings. Ergo, allowing gay marriage isn't going to put hardcore gay porn on the airwaves.

It's not nice to make fun of those people, it's a mental illness like any other. They deserve our sympathy until a cure is found.

Yes, its a pity no cure can be found for being someone like yourself,

Nycadaemon.

A bullet sadly, seems to be the only answer.

I have nothing left to contribute but spiteful, bitter sarcasm and a song.
*beaks into a rousing round of Kumbyah*

It's alright, you can sing hippy songs if it makes you feel better.

Walks away humming "The Only Good Fascist is a Dead Fascist"

How often have you turned the TV on to see two striaght people doing it?

And beyond that, there is the issue of capitalism here. If people don't want to see it, TV networks aren't going to run it because of low ratings. Ergo, allowing gay marriage isn't going to put hardcore gay porn on the airwaves.


nope, still gotta pay for that. ^_^

[QUOTE=Pracus]How often have you turned the TV on to see two striaght people doing it?


Horrors, you mean men and women actually kissing!


I suggest for the deviants, well lets face it they pay taxes too, we have a

happy compromise that offends no one, we will have a gay channel or two,

and keep the rest for hetros.

Unless you gays are deliberately trying to make us throw up at dinnertime,

this should keep everyone happy.

Yes, its a pity no cure can be found for being someone like yourself,

Nycadaemon.

A bullet sadly, seems to be the only answer.
Sorry if I upset you Tinky Winky. My sincerest apologies to you and your "life partner".

It's alright, you can sing hippy songs if it makes you feel better.

Walks away humming "The Only Good Fascist is a Dead Fascist"
So, no real response then? I thought as much of you people.

Then you do in fact think we are subhuman. You can't say (as I've pointed out NUMBEROUS times on other forums) "I believe in gay equality" and at the same time say "Gays don't get equal rights." It's a non-sequator.

No I dont think your subhuman for being gay, if you were gay and a child

molester, I would consider you subhuman, as I would a hetero.

Sorry if I upset you Tinky Winky. My sincerest apologies to you and your "life partner".


You're trolling a troll....what the ever-loving fuck?! :confused: :confused: :confused:

Sorry if I upset you Tinky Winky. My sincerest apologies to you and your "life partner".

Oooh your so brave on the internet, careful you dont make a mess on the

keyboard, while you type with your other hand.

You're trolling a troll....what the ever-loving fuck?! :confused: :confused: :confused:

And your not a troll?? :)

[QUOTE]


Horrors, you mean men and women actually kissing!


I suggest for the deviants, well lets face it they pay taxes too, we have a

happy compromise that offends no one, we will have a gay channel or two,

and keep the rest for hetros.

Unless you gays are deliberately trying to make us throw up at dinnertime,

this should keep everyone happy.

Dude, just change the channel. It's not our fault you're watching porn with your tv dinner.

Dude, just change the channel. It's not our fault you're watching porn with your tv dinner.

Porn?

Do you mean you actually get porn on Free TV over there, you yanks have

slipped even further than I thought, I dont eat TV dinners either, what do

they taste like?

Oooh your so brave on the internet, careful you dont make a mess on the

keyboard, while you type with your other hand.
Can you try to get your linebreaks working properly? It's not that hard.

Instead of

writing like

this.

Anyway, enough dallying with trolls. I can see noone here is interested in a serious debate.

Anyway, enough dallying with trolls. I can see noone here is interested in a serious debate.

I had a serious debate, but you (and your little rugby-playing buddy) behaved like trolls and completely missed my points.

Porn?

Do you mean you actually get porn on Free TV over there, you yanks have

slipped even further than I thought, I dont eat TV dinners either, what do

they taste like?

Us yanks also eat puppies. Just to let you know.

By the way, how's the cross burning and child molesting down there? Had any fried chicken lately?

*wields stereotype sword*

Anyway, enough dallying with trolls. I can see noone here is interested in a serious debate.
I asked a while ago if you were interested in explaining your position. I'm going to bed now, but in the unlikely event that you have an explainable position I'll get to it in the morning.

Us yanks also eat puppies. Just to let you know.

By the way, how's the cross burning and child molesting down there? Had any fried chicken lately?

*wields stereotype sword*

*glare* I really hope you're just screwing around.

*glare* I really hope you're just screwing around.

Yes, I am in fact. Both meanings.

*I was screwing around in the above as well*

Yes, I am in fact. Both meanings.

*I was screwing around in the above as well*


Okay, now I'm amused. (Sorry, I'm a bit defensive as of late, due to a few trolls incessantly making fun of Southern people.)

Us yanks also eat puppies. Just to let you know.

By the way, how's the cross burning and child molesting down there? Had any fried chicken lately?

*wields stereotype sword*

Actually Im Aussie, or as you yanks say, 'AR-ZEE'.

Just for the record, we refer to the whole shebang of you as Yanks, not

Southerners or Yankees, or whatever your called west of that to Cali.

I have been to the Mississippi, and I loved the fried Chicken and Cajun.


Also have been to New York, where I really liked the hotdogs with saukraut

and massive cups of ice cold coke.

Ahh the memorys.

Actually Im Aussie, or as you yanks say, 'AR-ZEE'.

Just for the record, we refer to the whole shebang of you as Yanks, not

Southerners or Yankees, or whatever your called west of that to Cali.

I have been to the Mississippi, and I loved the fried Chicken and Cajun.


Also have been to New York, where I really liked the hotdogs with saukraut

and massive cups of ice cold coke.

Ahh the memorys.

Australia is awesome...I was named for one of the largest cities.

I had a serious debate, but you (and your little rugby-playing buddy) behaved like trolls and completely missed my points.

Its LEAGUE Salada, LEAGUE not Rugby, LEAGUE... you will learn.

And Im not that little either.

Australia is awesome...I was named for one of the largest cities.

It is awesome, especially QLD.

so your names Sydney?

It is awesome, especially QLD.

so your names Sydney?

Yup. I've always wanted to go there and have a slight fetish with aussie bands/tennis players.

Its LEAGUE Salada, LEAGUE not Rugby, LEAGUE... you will learn.

And Im not that little either.


okay, this is getting old. For all I know, you could be a little 4ft 2 , 14 yr old kid who does nothing but annoy people on the internet all day. Of course, for all I know, you could be a monkey as well. You know what? I really don't care!

You still have yet to address any comments about your trolling, so my response remains.

And your not a troll?? :)


No, I'm not a troll. None of my statements have been intentionally inflammatory, and when I did say something that was potentially inflammatory, I gave a supporting argument.

For instance :

Quote:
Originally Posted by Terminalia
Well thats the rub here isnt it, they arent 'normal' their gay.
Not that theres much wrong with that, it just has to be recognised as deviant behaviour, not normal.



Well, my desire to dye my hair hot pink may be deviant, but I still have the right to do it.

(yeah, I know I was lazy with the quote thing)




and later on:

I was making a bit of a point, sadly enough,lol. I have the right to do something that's not hurting anyone but my hair, and nobody's getting all uppity about it. It might even be against the Christian religion, but nobody cares.

Homosexuals getting married does not affect anyone but the homosexuals in question, so nobody should care. It's not making it any less legal or binding for heterosexual people to get married (and divorced after 55 hours)

Yup. I've always wanted to go there and have a slight fetish with aussie bands/tennis players.

I recommend the Northern Beaches, especially Manly in the Summer, its the

best spot on the city coast, and Manly beach is the best in the world.

What aussie bands do you like?

I guess the tennis player is Pat Rafter, or Hewitt maybe.

So, no real response then? I thought as much of you people.

Um, let's see, your last point (and only point) was already dealt with quite handily by your own admission. Seems all you have left to do is troll as you have been. If not, well, it's your turn to make another idiotic claim, so have at it.

[QUOTE]


Horrors, you mean men and women actually kissing!


I suggest for the deviants, well lets face it they pay taxes too, we have a

happy compromise that offends no one, we will have a gay channel or two,

and keep the rest for hetros.

Unless you gays are deliberately trying to make us throw up at dinnertime,

this should keep everyone happy.

Ummm, since when has any gay person asked that networks be forced to have gay programming? We want equal rights. Its not a right to have programs about you on TV. That's driven by capitalism.

No I dont think your subhuman for being gay, if you were gay and a child

molester, I would consider you subhuman, as I would a hetero.

Then as a human, I deserve the same rights as everyone else. I deserve to wed the person I love who loves me in return and to have that union recognized by the government and to have the government give me the same rights it gives all other couples who are joined.

Us yanks also eat puppies. Just to let you know.

By the way, how's the cross burning and child molesting down there? Had any fried chicken lately?

*wields stereotype sword*

Ummm, term is an Aussie (I'm pretty sure). *I* on the other hand am southern and really do not appreciate the stereotyping as I am not a child molester, KKK member and do not like fried chicken.

It seems to me most everyone has an opinion adverse to the person sitting next them.

The logical argument of not letting gay people get married due to divorce rates is ridiculous. No one gets married with the idea of divorce, I know my parents didn't; certainly my sister who has been married five times didn't, nor my other sister who has been married three times. I have many gay, bi-sexual, pan-sexual friends and surprisingly they have the same hang-ups and dysfunctionality as the "normal" people.

Education is paramount in teaching people to understand each other, be compassionate with each other, and learn to love in a healthy way. Hell, love often has nothing to do with whether or not people get divorced, it is usually infidelity or just their damn socks left on the floor everyday.

I think raising the age at which people could get married would have more impact on the divorce rate than who was allowed to get married.

The marraige laws have changed many times in the years since this country was founded. It did not even used to be a function of the government to have any say into it; it used to be something strictly of the church. It was only after people didn't feel they were getting their fair share of property or rights with the children that the government became involved.

The divorce laws have changed, too. Used to be you had to have a reason to get a divorce and it had to be a good one, besides. Now, you just have to want to be divorced. Makes it easy.

Why does anyone care about the divorce rate, anyway? Shouldn't we care more about poverty and crime, more about our schools and our environment. Money spent debating and legislating this type of nonsense depletes our resources better spent elsewhere.

Ummm, since when has any gay person asked that networks be forced to have gay programming? We want equal rights. Its not a right to have programs about you on TV. That's driven by capitalism.

Well, theres an increasing amount of it on Australian TV, and although

sometimes amusing, its not something I want to see increase, especially into

advertising, I suggest a handy compromise of having GayTV and Hetro TV

seperate channels.

Well, theres an increasing amount of it on Australian TV, and although

sometimes amusing, its not something I want to see increase, especially into

advertising, I suggest a handy compromise of having GayTV and Hetro TV

seperate channels.

If there is a lot of it on Aussie TV, its because a lot of people want to see it. Aren't you the one who says the majority should always rule?

And gay TV and hetero TV? Why not have gay and straight waterfountains, restaraunts, and bathrooms? Why not have gay people sit in the back of the bus? Why not allow businesses to refuse service to gay people?

I should also throw in Termie--if you don't want to see it, turn the TV off :)

Then as a human, I deserve the same rights as everyone else. I deserve to wed the person I love who loves me in return and to have that union recognized by the government and to have the government give me the same rights it gives all other couples who are joined.

Yeah well to flog a dead horse, actually a dead horses skeleton, the same

marriagerights here can't just apply to everyone that wants it, marriage is for

men and women only, do you define your humanity in not being excluded from

a strictly hetero ceremony?


Your gay, thats really different sorry from the norm, although some aspects

of your life style make me truly shudder, I do not think you are a sub human

because of them.

*Ahem*

Gay marriage = should be legal.

Thank you.

Yes, this is asking to be yelled at... I just feel that it should be, and well, it IS going to be here in Canada so meh...I'll just leave now...I prolly shouldn't have posted this...bye bye! :D

[QUOTE=Pracus]If there is a lot of it on Aussie TV, its because a lot of people want to see it. Aren't you the one who says the majority should always rule?

I disagree, alot of people watch it with amusement, but they werent really

clamering for it in the beginning, or would really be happy to see too much

more of it, this PC has more or less been forced apon us by media networks,

who live on and by PC 24/7, whether we want it or not.


And gay TV and hetero TV? Why not have gay and straight waterfountains, restaraunts, and bathrooms? Why not have gay people sit in the back of the bus? Why not allow businesses to refuse service to gay people?

Please, the old blacks/whites annalogy is really getting ridiculous, and holds

little relevance to this.


There are gay whites and blacks, and there are hetero blacks and whites.


I should also throw in Termie--if you don't want to see it, turn the TV off :)

I shouldnt have too.

*Ahem*
Gay marriage = should be legal.
Thank you.
Yes, this is asking to be yelled at... I just feel that it should be, and well, it IS going to be here in Canada so meh...I'll just leave now...I prolly shouldn't have posted this...bye bye! :D

Heathen! :)

Probably.


EDIT: And I just replied to the post I said I was leaving..oh well, I lied. I'm addicted to giving myself headaches

Probably.

No probably, you either are or you arent. :D

Ohhh, striahgt people divrces all the time, lets ban all hetero marriage too!

Yay. :fluffle:

Ohhh, striahgt people divrces all the time, lets ban all hetero marriage too!

Yay. :fluffle:

Lets ban you because of your atrocius spelling and grammer, seriously put

some effort in you lazy little bugger.

Lets ban you because of your atrocius spelling and grammer, seriously put

some effort in you lazy little bugger.


Whoa, calm down. Grammar and spelling doesnt constitute to a person's intelligence, btw.

I was being sarcastic with my comments up there, seeing that I'm gay and is itching to get married.

Seriously, calm down.

Whoa, calm down. Grammar and spelling doesnt constitute to a person's intelligence, btw.

I was being sarcastic with my comments up there, seeing that I'm gay and is itching to get married.

Seriously, calm down.

I am calm!!!

hahaha, go smoke more pot, will calm your nerves really good.

(That was a sarcastic comment, once again :))

[QUOTE]

I disagree, alot of people watch it with amusement, but they werent really

clamering for it in the beginning, or would really be happy to see too much

more of it, this PC has more or less been forced apon us by media networks,

who live on and by PC 24/7, whether we want it or not.


Tsk tsk. I refuse to allow Political Correctness to direct my actions or speech. Period. If a load of hypocrites who'd dearly love to freely speak their minds but refuse to do so because it's frowned upon condemn me for it, well then bully for them. I won't lie or couch my unpleasant truths in sanitized, BS wrappers to make a bunch of pretty liars feel more comfortable about how low and demeaning their own opinions are. They can shove PC right back up their lying bums and learn how to be honest and polite for a change.

Yeah well to flog a dead horse, actually a dead horses skeleton, the same

marriagerights here can't just apply to everyone that wants it, marriage is for

men and women only, do you define your humanity in not being excluded from

a strictly hetero ceremony?

Why is marriage a strictly hetero ceremony? You have yet to explain that.



Your gay, thats really different sorry from the norm, although some aspects

of your life style make me truly shudder, I do not think you are a sub human

because of them.


If I am a human, then why do I not deserve equal treatment by my government? Explain that or shut up.

Lets ban you because of your atrocius spelling and grammer, seriously put

some effort in you lazy little bugger.
Umm, it's atrocious. Just thought you should know, since you're making such a big deal out of it. :rolleyes:

[QUOTE]

I disagree, alot of people watch it with amusement, but they werent really

clamering for it in the beginning, or would really be happy to see too much

more of it, this PC has more or less been forced apon us by media networks,

who live on and by PC 24/7, whether we want it or not.



Oh that's right. The TV networks are part of the great overreaching PC conspiracy to ruin the western world! The next thing you know cats will be sleeping with dogs!

You need to wake up and get a life term. The networks would not be running the shows if they weren't making money. They wouldn't make the money if people weren't watching them. If people didn't want to see them or despised them, THEY WOULDN'T WATCH THEM. It's really not a difficult concept, supply and demand.



Please, the old blacks/whites annalogy is really getting ridiculous, and holds

little relevance to this.

Actually, it holds great relevance. The same arguements (or lack thereof) that you use were used to by the people who tried to prevent black equality. This IS a civil rights issue. Marriage = civil matter. No gay marriage = unequal treatment of one group of people under the law for something that they cannot control. Ergo gay marriage = civil rights issue.


There are gay whites and blacks, and there are hetero blacks and whites.


So? All gay people are still discriminated against.



I shouldnt have too.

You have a very self-centered view of the world. Not everything rotates around what you want to see and do for yourself. I, for instance, do not want to pay taxes--but I still do. Somewhere you've gotten it into your head that you do have the right to not be offended and to not have to avoid certain things. I hate to bust it to you, but you are going to constantly be at war with the world if you refuse to turn your head the other way on some things.

And guess what? You going to be constantly losing those wars.

Lets ban you because of your atrocius spelling and grammer, seriously put

some effort in you lazy little bugger.


Termie, I didn't know you were a black kettle!

Umm, it's atrocious. Just thought you should know, since you're making such a big deal out of it. :rolleyes:


Well excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me! :rolleyes:

Termie, I didn't know you were a black kettle!

lol one little typo, doesnt equate to what that barbarian punched in.

Tsk tsk. I refuse to allow Political Correctness to direct my actions or speech. Period. If a load of hypocrites who'd dearly love to freely speak their minds but refuse to do so because it's frowned upon condemn me for it, well then bully for them. I won't lie or couch my unpleasant truths in sanitized, BS wrappers to make a bunch of pretty liars feel more comfortable about how low and demeaning their own opinions are. They can shove PC right back up their lying bums and learn how to be honest and polite for a change.

ROARS HEAR HEAR!!

lol one little typo, doesnt equate to what that barbarian punched in.

Please term, you forget that I've been reading your posts for quite sometime now. Your writing is replete with typos, grammatical errors, and let's not forget, gross abuse of the English language.

And of course there are your formatting issues. Can you not get the annoying double spacing in your posts and the extra QUOTE line to go away? It's really irritating.

ROARS HEAR HEAR!!

Lo and behold, Pracus agrees with Term and Boos! He thinks for himself! (though again, I'm not sure the word think can be applied to certain others on here. . . . )

Tsk tsk. I refuse to allow Political Correctness to direct my actions or speech. Period. If a load of hypocrites who'd dearly love to freely speak their minds but refuse to do so because it's frowned upon condemn me for it, well then bully for them. I won't lie or couch my unpleasant truths in sanitized, BS wrappers to make a bunch of pretty liars feel more comfortable about how low and demeaning their own opinions are. They can shove PC right back up their lying bums and learn how to be honest and polite for a change.
"hypocrites"
"polite"
...well how about that, pc hypocrites who need to learn how to be polite...

hahaha, go smoke more pot, will calm your nerves really good.

(That was a sarcastic comment, once again :))

I prefer to use my cattle prod, that calms me down real good. :)

lol one little typo, doesnt equate to what that barbarian punched in.

Not to personally attack you or anything, since you made me laugh in a GOOD way last night... but even I refrain from spanking others for spelling and punctuation (despite the fact that it DOES drive me crazy to see the linguistic mayhem a lot of people feel is appropriate use of language) because despite my education, I am still prone to typoes, misspellings and the frequent grammatical faux-pas. You know what I'm talking about, or you should. Little things like using too instead of to. Interchangably swapping its for it's. And my own stubborn insistance on using run-on sentances and fragmented half-formed sentances.

[QUOTE=Pracus]Why is marriage a strictly hetero ceremony? You have yet to explain that.

Im seriously starting to get a head ache from this ...marriages are to create

familys, something homosexuals cant do, there.



If I am a human, then why do I not deserve equal treatment by my
government? Explain that or shut up.

I have explained, this is the umpteenth time you have asked this in one form

or another, and for the last time, you are human, but you are gay, therefore

no marriage like heteros.

Its just not good.

Not to personally attack you or anything, since you made me laugh in a GOOD way last night... but even I refrain from spanking others for spelling and punctuation (despite the fact that it DOES drive me crazy to see the linguistic mayhem a lot of people feel is appropriate use of language) because despite my education, I am still prone to typoes, misspellings and the frequent grammatical faux-pas. You know what I'm talking about, or you should. Little things like using too instead of to. Interchangably swapping its for it's. And my own stubborn insistance on using run-on sentances and fragmented half-formed sentances.

Sorry Boo, but picking up spelling errors and bad grammar is somewhat a

hobby of mine on here, usually I ignore it, unless the person is aiming it at me.

Dont worry, I get picked on about it to heaps. shrugs.

Im seriously starting to get a head ache from this ...marriages are to create

familys, something homosexuals cant do, there.





I have explained, this is the umpteenth time you have asked this in one form

or another, and for the last time, you are human, but you are gay, therefore

no marriage like heteros.

Its just not good.
1) As has been pointed out ad nauseum, there are many heterosexual couples who are married but choose not to have children. Marriages are not for creating families. Relieve yourself of that foolish notion.
2) You claim to think homosexual people are human, then go and treat them like animals. Hypocrisy is an ugly thing.

Well excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me! :rolleyes:
All I was saying that if you're going to go down the grammar/spelling Nazi pathway, better make sure you've got your shit together.

"hypocrites"
"polite"
...well how about that, pc hypocrites who need to learn how to be polite...

No, really, it seems that people have substituted PCness for politeness these days. It does indeed seem to fit very well with the modern politics of dishonesty (even practiced with one's self apparently) to preserve the status quo.

Personally, I prefer the company of an honest bigot who will tell me what he really thinks to one who hides his bigotry behind a facade of political correctness and pretends he doesn't look down on someone or something else - myself included - if I ask to engage in an open conversation on the topic.

It VERY much seems to me that people would much rather indulge in these pretty lies so that they might be accepted by the mainstream population (with all of the benefits that grants) than to present themselves honestly and take the chance of being rejected for who and what they really are. Though this in NO way hinders ANY of them from being horrificly impolite and outright hostile towards a social group that is NOT protected by PC.

"no, honey!" *slap!* "Don't call them fags, that's not right!!" *full head swivel-stare-point-hiss-pull-child-out-of-path* "Look, she thinks it's still halloween. I bet that's her girlfriend." *insulting laugh*

LOL Bitter much? Oh yes.

"If you don't like how we treat you, maybe you should try dressing differently."

Very. Very. Bitter.

Pracus-Please term, you forget that I've been reading your posts for quite sometime now. Your writing is replete with typos, grammatical errors, and let's not forget, gross abuse of the English language.

Rubbish.

And of course there are your formatting issues. Can you not get the annoying double spacing in your posts and the extra QUOTE line to go away? It's really irritating.

I cannot get the extra quote line to go away, Im working on it, but if I have

to break up someones post, to answer individual parts, it gets a bit messy,

sorry.

All I was saying that if you're going to go down the grammar/spelling Nazi pathway, better make sure you've got your shit together.

OMG some people take things waaaayyyy too seriously.

[QUOTE=Northern Trombonium]1) As has been pointed out ad nauseum, there are many heterosexual couples who are married but choose not to have children. Marriages are not for creating families. Relieve yourself of that foolish notion.

Schmuck.

Thats exactly what their for.

Just because couples dont have children, doesnt take away the true meaning

of marriage.

Which is to have kids together.

2) You claim to think homosexual people are human, then go and treat them like animals. Hypocrisy is an ugly thing.

Not as ugly as your PC, how does it revert them to being animals by not

marrying?

Lo and behold, Pracus agrees with Term and Boos! He thinks for himself! (though again, I'm not sure the word think can be applied to certain others on here. . . . )

Well if you dont like PC either, then you will not agree with things like positive

discrimination.

Schmuck.

Thats exactly what their for.

Just because couples dont have children, doesnt take away the true meaning

of marriage.

Which is to have kids together.
Are you aware that the word schmuck is an insult? I will be generous and assume that you merely meant it to mean something like "hogwash" or "bullshit." To the point, do you have proof that marriage is for the purpose of procreation? Because it is quite possible to have children without marrying, and you have agreed with me that there are in fact married couples who do not choose to breed.
Not as ugly as your PC, how does it revert them to being animals by not

marrying?
I am not sure what you mean by the first part of this. How do you know whether or not my Personal Computer is ugly? I happen to think it is quite fashionable.
Once again to the point, it comes down to permission. You are telling homosexuals what they can and cannot do in the same manner that I would tell my dog what he can and cannot do, except that I know that my dog probably does not understand me.

[QUOTE]

Schmuck.

Thats exactly what their for.

Just because couples dont have children, doesnt take away the true meaning

of marriage.

Which is to have kids together.



Not as ugly as your PC, how does it revert them to being animals by not

marrying?


Oh no. Oh no no no. Marriage has always been about law and property. From the first pre-christian marriages, to the biblical weddings and on down to our current day marriages. It's all about property rights. At first, in pre-Christian marriages, it was about who was going to own what and establishing lines of property exchange and ownership both during the married life and post-mortem property transferrence.

Christian marriage took that a bit farther, transferring legal ownership of a woman and the goods her family was sending off with her from the father to the husband as well as ensuring a clear legal line of inheritance of goods, property and monies in case of death of either partner. It also in its backwards kind of way tried to protect a woman in case of the death of her husband, transferring her ownership to a male relative of the deceased husband so that she would still have food and shelter in a society that was not at all designed to accomodate single females outside of their father's jurisdiction.

Modern marriage is more about joint ownership of properties, legal entitlements between spouses and inheritance law than anything else, no matter how much we want to dress it up and prettify it. Marriage entitles one's partner to come to one's mate's bedside in a hospital when they are critically ill and the hospital refuses access to that person to anyone but "Immediate family". Marriage in many states is still neccessary to transferring benefits and insurance to one's mate. Marriage STILL forces the goverment to recognize one's surviving partner as part of the group of people who stand to inherit one's goods AND debts and to deal with funeral arrangements. So marriage is and has always been first and foremost a legal consideration, and as such should be open to ALL people.

In a church? Only if that church welcomes those people and their lifestyle that wish to be married in that church under the faith of that church. THAT is a church's right under our country's freedom of worship.

Under law? There is no justifiable arguement a person can make to deny the basic legal right to be joined to another so that they are legally recognized as related by marriage under the law and recieve the same legal rights and priveledges as any other pair of people.

And just in case you didn't know... Schmuck is a hebrew word signifying that appendage I often wish I had and my BF is most grateful that I don't.

[QUOTE=Northern Trombonium]Are you aware that the word schmuck is an insult?


Yes, dont be so sensitive.


To the point, do you have proof that marriage is for the purpose of procreation? Because it is quite possible to have children without marrying, and you have agreed with me that there are in fact married couples who do not choose to breed.

Well what else would it be for, seems logical enough, I cant comment on

couples who wish to not or cant have children, except, to give my

sympathys to the ones who can't, and my condemnation to the ones who

refuse.


I am not sure what you mean by the first part of this. How do you know whether or not my Personal Computer is ugly? I happen to think it is quite fashionable.

lol PC =Political Correctness, something I despise with every fibre of my being.



Once again to the point, it comes down to permission. You are telling homosexuals what they can and cannot do in the same manner that I would tell my dog what he can and cannot do, except that I know that my dog probably does not understand me.


I'm not telling, Im disagreeing.

I'll leave the telling up to the government, who I'll support to the bone if they

do.

Dont underestimate your dog either, recent studies have shown dogs have

an excellent grasp of the language their master talks to them in, they just

dont have the right vocal cords to respond.

I'm soory, Term, but I'm not going to directly quote you this time, because your formatting is offensive to my eyes.
1) You knowingly insulted me for no apparent reason and then told me not to be so sensitive. My response is this: DAMN! THAT explains it! I've been acting sensitive when what chicks really want is some macho idiot who'll beat them!! Thanks, Term, I've seen the light! :rolleyes:
Is that insensitive enough for you?
2) Read the post by Boos and you will see exactly what else it would be for.
3) I try to post in a logical and intelligent fashion, and you think that means I want to be politically correct? That's a fuzzily drawn line if I've ever seen one.
4) Would you also support the government if they allowed gay marriage? If not, all you are really doing is telling through a third party, in my humble opinion.

[QUOTE=Booslandia]Oh no. Oh no no no. Marriage has always been about law and property. From the first pre-christian marriages, to the biblical weddings and on down to our current day marriages. It's all about property rights. At first, in pre-Christian marriages, it was about who was going to own what and establishing lines of property exchange and ownership both during the married life and post-mortem property transferrence.
Christian marriage took that a bit farther, transferring legal ownership of a woman and the goods her family was sending off with her from the father to the husband as well as ensuring a clear legal line of inheritance of goods, property and monies in case of death of either partner. It also in its backwards kind of way tried to protect a woman in case of the death of her husband, transferring her ownership to a male relative of the deceased husband so that she would still have food and shelter in a society that was not at all designed to accomodate single females outside of their father's jurisdiction.
Modern marriage is more about joint ownership of properties, legal entitlements between spouses and inheritance law than anything else, no matter how much we want to dress it up and prettify it. Marriage entitles one's partner to come to one's mate's bedside in a hospital when they are critically ill and the hospital refuses access to that person to anyone but "Immediate family". Marriage in many states is still neccessary to transferring benefits and insurance to one's mate. Marriage STILL forces the goverment to recognize one's surviving partner as part of the group of people who stand to inherit one's goods AND debts and to deal with funeral arrangements. So marriage is and has always been first and foremost a legal consideration, and as such should be open to ALL people.

Well I disagree sorry, marriage is foremost about propagating the species, in

a way that keeps records in order to not cross breed, something very vital,

or you end up getting bloodlines too close together, like the royal familys of

Europe.

You would have mass orgies producing bastard after bastard with no idea

who their real parents are, and creating bastards themselves possibly

unknowingly with their own mother or sister.

The property is just hoohar that comes along with the marriage ensuring

wealth stays within the family.


And just in case you didn't know... Schmuck is a hebrew word signifying that appendage I often wish I had and my BF is most grateful that I don't.

Thanks, I thought it meant moron or something close to it, terrible name to

call it, what do you think of my schmuck.. naaaah, just doesnt sound right.

Cock or schlong is the best word for it, sounds nice and proud, but schmuck

sounds terrible.

1) You knowingly insulted me for no apparent reason and then told me not to be so sensitive. My response is this: DAMN! THAT explains it! I've been acting sensitive when what chicks really want is some macho idiot who'll beat them!! Thanks, Term, I've seen the light! :rolleyes:
Is that insensitive enough for you?
2) Read the post by Boos and you will see exactly what else it would be for.


1) Hey now! We don't want jerks who will beat us... even if some of us DO want a man who will spank us. We're not stupid, we're just very often kinky. And I have no use for idiots of any gender. Stupidity is a serious squick for me. Makes my knees lock together so you can't pry them apart.

2) Thanks. Though I'm not sure if my explaination of marriage was as cogent and to-the-point as I meant it to be. I find the modern perceptions of marriage as this romantic, religious thing to be borderline abhorrent. Just because in pre-industrialized times Church and Government were incestuous institutions doesn't mean that Church dictates Temporal Law or that religious definitions should be allowed to pre-empt legal ones.

[QUOTE]

Well I disagree sorry, marriage is foremost about propagating the species, in

a way that keeps records in order to not cross breed, something very vital,

or you end up getting bloodlines too close together, like the royal familys of

Europe.

You would have mass orgies producing bastard after bastard with no idea

who their real parents are, and creating bastards themselves possibly

unknowingly with their own mother or sister.

The property is just hoohar that comes along with the marriage ensuring

wealth stays within the family.




Thanks, I thought it meant moron or something close to it, terrible name to

call it, what do you think of my schmuck.. naaaah, just doesnt sound right.

Cock or schlong is the best word for it, sounds nice and proud, but schmuck

sounds terrible.

I'm sorry but you seem to be assigning the function of geneolgy and public records for marriage. Please do a little more research. Have you eaten today, Term? Really, your reasoning and logic, not to mention your temper seem to have all suffered a serious blow. I'm used to more rational, less insulting posts from you.

And better schmuck than schmeckel. The latter is noticably smaller in size.

[QUOTE=Northern Trombonium]I'm soory, Term, but I'm not going to directly quote you this time, because your formatting is offensive to my eyes.

I dont see why, the lines are carefully spaced out.


1) You knowingly insulted me for no apparent reason and then told me not to be so sensitive. My response is this: DAMN! THAT explains it! I've been acting sensitive when what chicks really want is some macho idiot who'll beat them!! Thanks, Term, I've seen the light! :rolleyes:
Is that insensitive enough for you?

Yeah, go get em tiger, an you make sure she gives you no lip, hear?

takes hearty gulp of hard whiskey from clay jug.

2) Read the post by Boos and you will see exactly what else it would be for.

I have, I disagreed with her on that subject, waits for the rumble of

thunder... no the world hasnt ended.



3) I try to post in a logical and intelligent fashion, and you think that means I want to be politically correct? That's a fuzzily drawn line if I've ever seen one.

Well I dont agree with gay marriage, you and others condemn me then, as a

bigot, thats PC in a nutshell.

4) Would you also support the government if they allowed gay marriage? If not, all you are really doing is telling through a third party, in my humble opinion.

No, and I would become I guess a third party if so, as would alot of others.

1) Hey now! We don't want jerks who will beat us... even if some of us DO want a man who will spank us. We're not stupid, we're just very often kinky. And I have no use for idiots of any gender. Stupidity is a serious squick for me. Makes my knees lock together so you can't pry them apart.

2) Thanks. Though I'm not sure if my explaination of marriage was as cogent and to-the-point as I meant it to be. I find the modern perceptions of marriage as this romantic, religious thing to be borderline abhorrent. Just because in pre-industrialized times Church and Government were incestuous institutions doesn't mean that Church dictates Temporal Law or that religious definitions should be allowed to pre-empt legal ones.
1) I have three sisters, so I know that most women aren't stupid, and a whole lot less are stupid enough to want a man who'll beat them.
1.1) Guess it's a good thing I'm not altogether stupid, then. Altough I do have occasional (and sometimes frequent) lapses in common sense.

2) Well, I understood your explanation, if it's any consolation. And marriage can certainly be romantic, but it chills me when people insist that it must be religious. It comes too close to the government espousing one religion, which inevitably corrupts both.

I dont see why, the lines are carefully spaced out.
Yes, and the spacing often breaks sentences at just the wrong place.
I have, I disagreed with her on that subject, waits for the rumble of

thunder... no the world hasnt ended. Yes, you disagreed, but you failed to come up with any evidence to support your claim. Bad debating in my book.
Well I dont agree with gay marriage, you and others condemn me then, as a

bigot, thats PC in a nutshell. I never called you a bigot. I merely disagreed with you and said why.
No, and I would become I guess a third party if so, as would alot of others.
Oh, there would be no need to change your party affiliation. Besides, which party would you join? The Libertarian and Green Parties both want to legalize gay marriage.

Yes, you disagreed, but you failed to come up with any evidence to support your claim. Bad debating in my book.

Normally he gives supportive arguements with his disagreeing with me. We disagree on nearly everything, Term and I. But I enjoy his arguements (when they aren't making me want to smack him around for his own good).

I never called you a bigot. I merely disagreed with you and said why.


No, you didn't, but I have. More than once, if I recall correctly. But usually he's such a nice, fun and friendly bigot, so I don't really mind. I think I might actually like him as a human being. Scary thought.

Term, stop being a bitch so I can continue to enjoy you, dammit.

[QUOTE=Booslandia]I'm sorry but you seem to be assigning the function of geneolgy and public records for marriage. Please do a little more research.

Um to the point out the obvious marriage, is a large part of why we have

geneolgy and public records.

Have you eaten today, Term? Really, your reasoning and logic, not to mention your temper seem to have all suffered a serious blow. I'm used to more rational, less insulting posts from you.

What are you talking about?

Noones insulted you, and Ive been quite rational about this.

Have I been eating, well not really, Im not that well at the moment, mainly

because of three days of pre Christmas celebrations, so Im limiting my diet at

present to jugs of ice cold lemonade and a big plastic bag of cashew nuts.

And better schmuck than schmeckel. The latter is noticably smaller in size.

It sounds like it, I guess mine would be called a schmong then.

Well, as much fun as it's been to be insulted by you, Term, and to attempt to defend you, Boos, it's past 2 AM here in Arizona and I was hoping to do some reading before I turned in for the night. I will leave you with this parting shot:
A man who feels the need to brag about his schmuck very likely only has a schmeckel.
:D

Um to the point out the obvious marriage, is a large part of why we have geneolgy and public records.

Okay, not getting anywhere with this as you are being stubborn about the actual legal and temporal origins of marriage and refusing to even concede the possibility that if you took some time and did a little study on marriage both Christian and otherwise that you'd discover that I actually do know what I'm talking about here and mete out at least the grudging acceptance that I'm not working on opinion but am moving in the realm of historical and modern fact.

What are you talking about?
Noones insulted you, and Ive been quite rational about this.

*wags a finger and looks sad* Honey, it wasn't me you insulted, no. But remember that bit last night about "doing unto others where I could witness it"? You did unto others. There was absolutely no reason for you to call Trom a dick in hebrew. Usually you're much more selective about who you insult and how. Shame shame.

Have I been eating, well not really, Im not that well at the moment, mainly because of three days of pre Christmas celebrations, so Im limiting my diet at present to jugs of ice cold lemonade and a big plastic bag of cashew nuts.

You're showing symptoms of what I refer to as sugar crash. Basicly, when you haven't eaten properly, your blood sugar levels go below the levels your body requires and it effects both your behavior and your ability to think cogently. You're having some major bitch on tonight and you're not providing the evidence of rationally thinking out your arguements that you normally do. Granted, you're not to Czech's level of stupid and bitchy, but you're just not what I've come to expect and respect from you. Please go eat a peanut butter sandwitch and have a glass of OJ at the very least.

It sounds like it, I guess mine would be called a schmong then.

ROTFL! What is it with men and their assertions of hugeness?

oh, why dont all of you eat a grenade and die.

Well, as much fun as it's been to be insulted by you, Term, and to attempt to defend you, Boos, it's past 2 AM here in Arizona and I was hoping to do some reading before I turned in for the night. I will leave you with this parting shot:
A man who feels the need to brag about his schmuck very likely only has a schmeckel.
:D

Heheheh thank you again, Trom. Sleep well and come back tomorrow with more postie fun. As you get to know me via my posts, you'll discover I require very little defending, though I do appreciate the defenses when they appear. ;) Maybe you can even visit my thread about affection vs violence then too.

bah... eat a grenade and die happy.

oh, why dont all of you eat a grenade and die.

Because grenades don't taste very good and my mouth is too small to actually fit one into?

Bah, Czech has arrived. I think that's my cue to go to bed myself.

good...

bah... eat a grenade and die happy.

Happy?

Well, maybe if the grenade was proceeded by a large dose of some sort of drug...

I would usually say that the act of inserting a grenade into one's mouth alone would make one fairly unhappy... Unless you use a really tiny grenade.

EDIT: Ha, the first time I read you post I thought it sai 'hippy' instead of happy.

That reminds me of that one bit of "Mostly Harmless" with the telegram...

Happy?

Well, maybe if the grenade was proceeded by a large dose of some sort of drug...

I would usually say that the act of inserting a grenade into one's mouth alone would make one fairly unhappy... Unless you use a really tiny grenade.


what about one of those potato masher grenades?

they would go down easy.

what about one of those potato masher grenades?

they would go down easy.

With a side of mashed potatoes.

Mmm-mmm.

"Kid's, supper's ready!"
:p

[QUOTE]
Well I dont agree with gay marriage, you and others condemn me then, as a
bigot, thats PC in a nutshell.

Really, so I could say it's PC to want Bush in Texas. Or PC to like God in one church but ALah in another. Wow PC is flexy.

Anyway i don't think your a bigot. I think your a narrow-minded, self obsessed, insecure homophobe. That's all sweety pumpkin :)

With a side of mashed potatoes.

Mmm-mmm.

"Kid's, supper's ready!"
:p


gee, with a 5 second fuse, you would have to cram that potatoes down your throat to enjoythem!

oh, why dont all of you eat a grenade and die.

With pleasure

KABOOM!

Oh my...

Lets ban you because of your atrocius spelling and grammer, seriously put

some effort in you lazy little bugger.

Don't. Just don't. You can't use "you're" properly. I wince every time you say 'your gay', which means 'the gay belonging to you'. I have this vision of a little man in a tight pink t-shirt running about my living room. Not one little typo, but a really ignorant, easy-to-correct mistake repeated about a hundred times on this thread alone. So lay off.

You also can't spell clamouring. So just don't have the nerve and stupidity to have a go at other people. Especially given how many people on this list use english as a second language

And yes, Pracus, I have an Oxfordshire accent.



One last thing, the assertion that marriage exists to create families is an odd one. Would term withdraw marital rights from the infertile? I was brought up to beleive that marriage is the santification of carnal love before God - nothing to do with children at all. But I do not believe that my view of marriage should restrict it from, say, atheists. Marriage for you term, might be about children. For me, it's about love. And certain legal rights, I guess. All this paranoic crap about mass orgies and accidental incest is just that - completely daft. You have heard of civil records I assume? And the idea that they evolved in some way from marriage is frankly bizarre. Even if that was true, it wouldn't help you're argument any, since you said we need marriage to stave off incest or something similarly wierd.

Bottom line, who made you the man who decides what marriage is and is not? And if you aren't, why can't you accept that it clearly does mean different things to different people, and should therefore exist in different forms.


I could also throw in the adoption line (they can adopt, ergo they can have families etc), but I don't really want to open that whole can of worms.

[QUOTE]
I shouldnt have too.

So, your argument for segregated TV, is that you shouldn't HAVE To turn off the program, if you don't like it.

I find it hard to work up any sympathy for that position. You think all televisual programming should be designed to conform specifically to YOUR own private views?

So - if you feel like watching "Home and Away" reruns, everyone has to?

And, to think... I used to think you self-centred and egocentric...

I say they deserve marriage.

Marriage isn't fun and games. It's a pain in the ass... word is gays like pains in the ass. Let them have gay marriage and gay DIVORCE. And gay alimony. And gay child support. And gay mortgages.

If two people make the mistake of saying they'll spend the rest of their lives together and tie their lives financially... by all means let them reap what they sow.

ROTFL! What is it with men and their assertions of hugeness?

Just the insecure ones...

Well I disagree sorry, marriage is foremost about propagating the species...

No, sorry.

Booslandia has been through this with you... I have been through this with you...

The whole history of the 'civilised world', pretty much, argues against you.

Australian Law argues against you...

Honestly, Terminalia... Just a LITTLE effort... I'm sure that a few minutes googling around on the "meaning of marriage"... try Ask.com.... would give you ample material to see the error of your ways.

Of course, you might run across a Christian Fundamentalist site, and stop there... since that would probably agree with your view.

Why do I keep thinking you MIGHT put the effort in?

No, sorry.

Booslandia has been through this with you... I have been through this with you...

The whole history of the 'civilised world', pretty much, argues against you.

Australian Law argues against you...

Honestly, Terminalia... Just a LITTLE effort... I'm sure that a few minutes googling around on the "meaning of marriage"... try Ask.com.... would give you ample material to see the error of your ways.

Of course, you might run across a Christian Fundamentalist site, and stop there... since that would probably agree with your view.

Why do I keep thinking you MIGHT put the effort in?

i'm honestly astounded by the amount of effort Termie must exert to avoid fact in his life. i mean, his assertions are so obviously refuted by so many sources that he must literally have to bury his head in the sand to avoid seeing evidence that proves him wrong. that's gotta be exhausting, not to mention uncomfortable to the neck muscles, so perhaps we should all be nicer to the poor fellow...his temper is clearly the result of over-tiredness and muscle soreness.

i'm honestly astounded by the amount of effort Termie must exert to avoid fact in his life. i mean, his assertions are so obviously refuted by so many sources that he must literally have to bury his head in the sand to avoid seeing evidence that proves him wrong. that's gotta be exhausting, not to mention uncomfortable to the neck muscles, so perhaps we should all be nicer to the poor fellow...his temper is clearly the result of over-tiredness and muscle soreness.

If I were feeling uncharitable... I could say there were other reasons why the poor boy might be 'over-tired' and have sore muscles...

erm... maybe he's been working out...? :)

I honestly do wonder, though, how he can be SO resistant to facts... you'd have thought he'd have to have learned something, by now... just by attrition... :(

[QUOTE=Northern Trombonium]Yes, and the spacing often breaks sentences at just the wrong place.

I cant help that.


Yes, you disagreed, but you failed to come up with any evidence to support your claim. Bad debating in my book.

Im tired of giving you the evidence, you just ignore it, and say its stuff I

cant prove.

gooooo shabarrrrrrrr... ah now I feel better.

I never called you a bigot. I merely disagreed with you and said why.

Thanks, its good to see you have an open mind not corrupted with PC.



Oh, there would be no need to change your party affiliation. Besides, which party would you join? The Libertarian and Green Parties both want to legalize gay marriage.

Well I would join the Family first party which took 4% of the national vote, in

the last Federal election, ( in its first outing), if the major partys decided to

cave in to gay pressure, and go against my principles.

If I were feeling uncharitable... I could say there were other reasons why the poor boy might be 'over-tired' and have sore muscles...

erm... maybe he's been working out...? :)

I honestly do wonder, though, how he can be SO resistant to facts... you'd have thought he'd have to have learned something, by now... just by attrition... :(
or osmosis :D

or osmosis :D

Well, you'd have thought SOME kind of concept would have crept in, just a little, by now?

:(

Elmhavn[/B]]
I have this vision of a little man in a tight pink t-shirt running about my living room.

Is this one of your gay fantasys? :)


You also can't spell clamouring. So just don't have the nerve and stupidity to have a go at other people. Especially given how many people on this list use english as a second language
......
to create families is an odd one. Would term withdraw marital rights from the infertile? I was brought up to beleive that marriage is theBottom line, who made you the man who decides what marriage is and is not? And

lol the irony.

I find it hard to work up any sympathy for that position. You think all televisual programming should be designed to conform specifically to YOUR own private views?

No, Im not the only one, who doesnt want to see gay men caressing each

other, over dinner.

No, Im not the only one, who doesnt want to see gay men caressing each

other, over dinner.
i'm not the only person who feels that Newt Gingrich is far too ugly to be allowed on the tele. yet for some reason, there he sits...

Mrs. Spears didn't lobby for the right to marriage for several years, and spend millions of dollars to get married, to get divorced in two months....

That's right. Because Mrs. Spears wasn't dumped on by a bunch of shithead bigots and denied her rights to marry someone she apparently felt she loved. Of course, the love in that case was pretty short-lived...but no one EVER told Mrs. Spears that she COULDN'T marry that guy, therefore, no need FOR Mrs. Spears to lobby for her basic civil rights or human dignities.
No comparison.

Moving right along, since straight marriage now has over a 50 percent divorce rate, I guess straights shouldn't be allowed to get married anymore, either...look at all the paperworkk nightmare it causes when couples get divorced!

So, at exactly what point will you agree to give up YOUR right to marry the one YOU love? After all, the arguments you use against gay marriages can be equally used to argue against straight marriage.

You goddam homophobes will grasp at any fucking straw, to denigrate your fellow human beings who just happen to be different, won't you?

You'll grasp at anything that allows you to continue to treat homosexuals as second-class citizens not worthy of dignity, basic human rights, or even common courtesy, won't you?

You bigots really piss me the hell off.

And before you ask...no, I am not gay. I have many gay friends, being a transgender person, myself. And I have no dog in this fight, really, since I desire a relationship with NO-ONE, male or female, anyway...and if I ever DID want one, it would be a male...and since I am now a female, there would not be a problem.

But I will stand up for my gay and lesbian brothers and sisters, against the forces of evil homophobes, whenever the opportunity presents itself.

You self-righteous, holier-than-thou, homophobic, bigot pricks!! Why don't you go and crawl under the cold, slimy wet rocks from under which you came in the first place...and take your damned bigotry back there with you?

The world doesn't need it! Life is too short for your hatred. The world needs more LOVE...not more hate. And since gay marriage is about LOVE, even if I had no gay friends or relatives, I'd still be on their side in this argument.

[QUOTE=Glinde Nessroe]Really, so I could say it's PC to want Bush in Texas. Or PC to like God in one church but ALah in another. Wow PC is flexy.

AL-LAH, practice it.


Anyway i don't think your a bigot. I think your a narrow-minded, self obsessed, insecure homophobe. That's all sweety pumpkin :)

yeah whatever.

Bucksnort: Chill, man.

i'm not the only person who feels that Newt Gingrich is far too ugly to be allowed on the tele. yet for some reason, there he sits...

But hes not carressing Bush with a neck massage, is he, so who cares how

ugly he is.

No, Im not the only one, who doesnt want to see gay men caressing each

other, over dinner.

Oh, that's too priceless.

I may copy this one onto my harddrive, just so I can bring it out, over and over again.

Beautifully edited, Terminalia... this is a masterpiece.

Now, for all those who can do sub-clauses... can we see Terminalia's little 'admission'?

It's lovely, isn't it?

Just over dinner, mind you.

Anywhere else is fine. Oh, that's precious.

Oh, that's too priceless.

I may copy this one onto my harddrive, just so I can bring it out, over and over again.

Beautifully edited, Terminalia... this is a masterpiece.

Now, for all those who can do sub-clauses... can we see Terminalia's little 'admission'?

It's lovely, isn't it?

Just over dinner, mind you.

Anywhere else is fine. Oh, that's precious.
yup ... I just like how it all boils down to being "icky"

yup ... I just like how it all boils down to being "icky"

Oh, he's a queer one, and no mistake.

(Queer as in peculiar, obviously).

Oh, he's a queer one, and no mistake.

(Queer as in peculiar, obviously).
um ...yes peculiar ... obviously *cough*

Oh, that's too priceless.
I may copy this one onto my harddrive, just so I can bring it out, over and over again.
beautifully edited, Terminalia... this is a masterpiece.
Now, for all those who can do sub-clauses... can we see Terminalia's little 'admission'?
It's lovely, isn't it?
Just over dinner, mind you.
Anywhere else is fine. Oh, that's precious.

What I meant was, if there was a time of the day most, I didnt want

to see gay men carressing each other on telly, meal times would be it, trying

to eat you know.

What I meant was, if there was a time of the day most, I didnt want

to see gay men carressing each other on telly, meal times would be it, trying

to eat you know.

what about while youre in the closet.......umm....searching for something to wear?

*whistles innocently, looks down and to the left *

what about while youre in the closet.......umm....searching for something to wear?

*whistles innocently, looks down and to the left *
Drive by :fluffle:

Oh, he's a queer one, and no mistake.
(Queer as in peculiar, obviously).

I dont know, you could be a real weirdo yourself, you probably are.

I dont know, you could be a real weirdo yourself, you probably are.
And whats wrong with that!

what about while youre in the closet.......umm....searching for something to wear?
*whistles innocently, looks down and to the left *

Well if you would get out of the closet, I might be able to look.

And whats wrong with that!

So the weird things you do are...

Well if you would get out of the closet, I might be able to look.
So you are telling her to come out of the closet ...

You heard him peachy he wants you les :D

So the weird things you do are...
Anything I please that dont hurt others!

what about while youre in the closet.......umm....searching for something to wear?

*whistles innocently, looks down and to the left *

Peech rules.

:fluffle:

Peech rules.

:fluffle:
Yup and termy gave her permision to "come out of the closet" ;)

I dont know, you could be a real weirdo yourself, you probably are.

Oh.

I am, Term.

You know it. Oh, I REALLY am.

And don't pretend you haven't spent just AGES thinking about it...

;)

So you are telling her to come out of the closet ...

You heard him peachy he wants you les :D

I wonder... did he means he wants her to be gay? Or did he just mean she's FABULOUSLY dressed?

I wonder... did he means he wants her to be gay? Or did he just mean she's FABULOUSLY dressed?

sorry for the long paws((pause)god I'm cheesy).....
LOL.....Well I do enjoy getting dressed up. I guess theres not enough room for us both to be in there. Mind you- I think I'd like to fluffle a girl once to see what all the fuss is about. :fluffle:

sorry for the long paws((pause)god I'm cheesy).....
LOL.....Well I do enjoy getting dressed up. I guess theres not enough room for us both to be in there. Mind you- I think I'd like to fluffle a girl once to see what all the fuss is about. :fluffle:

Well, obviously, we KNOW you are fabulously dressed. :)

Having :fluffled: one or two of the more feminine gender, I can tell you, it IS quite nice... of course, my perspective might be a little different to yours.

(I'm taller.) (My cheesy joke for the day).

:D

Well, obviously, we KNOW you are fabulously dressed. :)

Having :fluffled: one or two of the more feminine gender, I can tell you, it IS quite nice... of course, my perspective might be a little different to yours.

(I'm taller.) (My cheesy joke for the day).

:D

Ha! We should do slap stick comedy with our cheesiness.

:fluffle: Gravy :fluffle:

What I meant was, if there was a time of the day most, I didnt want to see gay men carressing each other on telly, meal times would be it, trying to eat you know.

Now, that IS curious... I'd have thought it would have been while you were having sex (alone or with partner).

But, hey - I guess YOU know better.

Anything I please that dont hurt others!

You mean even the gerbils survive?

Ha! We should do slap stick comedy with our cheesiness.

:fluffle: Gravy :fluffle:

So, let me get this straight... cheesy comedy get's assorted fluffling from the local hotness?

Okay - I'm in! :)

:fluffle: retaliation!

Oh.
I am, Term.
You know it. Oh, I REALLY am.
And don't pretend you haven't spent just AGES thinking about it...
;)

I havent actually, it just occurred to me tonight. :)

I havent actually, it just occurred to me tonight. :)

I do believe you, Termie... really, I do. ;)

sorry for the long paws((pause)god I'm cheesy).....
LOL.....Well I do enjoy getting dressed up. I guess theres not enough room for us both to be in there. Mind you- I think I'd like to fluffle a girl once to see what all the fuss is about. :fluffle:

Um..me?

lol you have no idea goose.

none what so ever, if you even touched me Id break your neck. :)

I do believe you, Termie... really, I do. ;)

whats with all the winks Grave, are you gay or something?

Um..me?

lol you have no idea goose.

none what so ever, if you even touched me Id break your neck. :)

Wot? Goose? And I thought you were a male. I dunno bout the neck breaking. I'm rather scrappy *growls*

Now, that IS curious... I'd have thought it would have been while you were having sex (alone or with partner).
But, hey - I guess YOU know better.

Do you have sex alone?

Wot? Goose? And I thought you were a male. I dunno bout the neck breaking. I'm rather scrappy *growls*

So am I. :)

Um..me?

lol you have no idea goose.

none what so ever, if you even touched me Id break your neck. :)

Oh, you're all man, aren't you, Termy.

I'm just SO impressed that you have resorted to threatening acts of physical violence (AGAIN), and this time, on the more delicate gender.

You're just.... all KINDS of rugged...

So am I. :)


Youre confusing me termin- youre a woman so if I touched you, youd break my neck cause youre hetero sexual? i just want to be clear

Do you have sex alone?

Wondering if I'm maybe lonely??? Available?

Rather a personal question, at this stage of our relationship.

Oh, you're all man, aren't you, Termy.

I'm just SO impressed that you have resorted to threatening acts of physical violence (AGAIN), and this time, on the more delicate gender.

You're just.... all KINDS of rugged...

so hes a guy?? and he thinks I'm a gay male hitting on him? LMAO

i think i could take him....but if not- i know some rather tall intimidating fellows to call ;)

This article makes me question if even the most DEVOUT gay couples that ran out and got a marriage license ASAP cannot even withstand a short term marriage, what makes them able to withstand a civil union? This would cause a disaster of paperwork and expenses, transferring those rights every couple of months when ever they found a new partner. The US cannot stand for this.

Then perhaps the federal and state governments of the US should stop meddling in marriage entirely! After all, Britney Spears got married in Vegas as a stunt and had the marriage annulled after 55 fuckin' hours. The supermarket tabloids are full of celebrities getting married and then divorcing a couple months later. The divorce rate among heterosexual couples is %50.

I swear by Chaos that if I was in charge I'd put a stop to this bullshit by invoking the Ninth Amendment, which reads: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

whats with all the winks Grave, are you gay or something?

Are you flaming, Termy?

:D

Ummm, term is an Aussie (I'm pretty sure). *I* on the other hand am southern and really do not appreciate the stereotyping as I am not a child molester, KKK member and do not like fried chicken.

Go back and read a bit, it was a joke and I was mocking the red and blue stereotypes.

so hes a guy?? and he thinks I'm a gay male hitting on him? LMAO

i think i could take him....but if not- i know some rather tall intimidating fellows to call ;)


No no... you couldn't take him...

He's very big, and very rugged.

He plays sports, you know.

Youre confusing me termin- youre a woman so if I touched you, youd break my neck cause youre hetero sexual? i just want to be clear

What are you on???

No no... you couldn't take him...

He's very big, and very rugged.

He plays sports, you know.

OH.......*runs and hides* Yeah right.

Well he has confused the hell out of me because here I thought he was bad mouthing the gay community and then tells me, a female, that hed break my neck if I touched him......

bah

What are you on???

I'm trying to decipher this so called conversation we are having. You said youd break my neck if I touched you? I'm a woman ......so what the heck?

Are you flaming, Termy?

:D

No, all the winks are a bit suspicious, thats all.

Look Im not your type Grave, but dont worry, Im sure that special man will

come along for you one day. ;)

i dont see how gay mairrage affects you in any way, in any case if you are so anti gay relationship why dont you propose gays be outlawed all together? because why go half way when you could go all the way
:fluffle: :sniper:

OH.......*runs and hides* Yeah right.

Well he has confused the hell out of me because here I thought he was bad mouthing the gay community and then tells me, a female, that hed break my neck if I touched him......

bah

Yeah - he's a strange one.

Scary thing is... and you can ask any of the regulars... he's actually better NOW than he used to be...

He grows on people, maybe.

Hmmm, but then again, so do parasites... :0

I'm trying to decipher this so called conversation we are having. You said youd break my neck if I touched you? I'm a woman ......so what the heck?

Oh sorry, lol I thought you were a gay man,

apologys.

No, all the winks are a bit suspicious, thats all.

Look Im not your type Grave, but dont worry, Im sure that special man will

come along for you one day. ;)

So - let me get this straight... a computer generated 'wink' icon get's you 'all clenched up'?

Oh, you ARE a strange one...

Entirely off topic... WHY aren't you my type?

You could cut the sexual tension in here with a condom. *shudder*

Oh sorry, lol I thought you were a gay man,

apologys.

Welcome to the world of Terminalia...

Tell me ONE place in the world, other than ...here... that "I thought you were a gay man" would consitute an apology?

:o

Oh sorry, lol I thought you were a gay man, sorry.

apologys.


Well I said that up there^^^ ANYWAYS.......

whats the name of this thread? oh right....damn skippy gay couples deserve civil unions. and health insurance for each other!

You could cut the sexual tension in here with a condom. *shudder*

:D

Well I said that up there^^^ ANYWAYS.......

whats the name of this thread? oh right....damn skippy gay couples deserve civil unions. and health insurance for each other!

And hospital visitation rights.... and protection against getting 'contested' out of their partner's will.

i dont see how gay mairrage affects you in any way, in any case if you are so anti gay relationship why dont you propose gays be outlawed all together? because why go half way when you could go all the way
:fluffle: :sniper:

Oh no not this again... your new, so I'll explain what I've explained countless

times already... Im not against the gay community existing, or having

relationships... I am against gays marrying in Churches, or having civil

unions.

Are we clear?

Mrs. Spears didn't lobby for the right to marriage for several years, and spend millions of dollars to get married, to get divorced in two months....

No, she didn't. She went out and got married because she was BORED.

Now, if you used her as a bit of sarcasm, I congratulate you on your subtleness (even I didn't get it at first). If you were serious, then that's sad.

yes- what Gravy said! Its going to happen one day....they have to get some of these old farts out of office eventually. Then its rock n roll time.

You could cut the sexual tension in here with a condom. *shudder*

creepy...

Oh no not this again... your new, so I'll explain what I've explained countless

times already... Im not against the gay community existing, or having

relationships... I am against gays marrying in Churches, or having civil

unions.

Are we clear?

But how does it affect you if two gay men give each other rings and promise to be together forever?

Yes, yes, we've heard that you don't want to see gay men making out over dinner, but relationships are like the same thing. If you don't want to see gay men making out then don't watch! Change the channel!

Is it okay for heteros to be exhibitionists then? Would you watch hetero bondage sex over dinner instead?

Why do YOU have to limit other's rights just because you don't think it's a good thing? Live and let live! What if someone told you you couldn't marry because you were straight?

yes- what Gravy said! Its going to happen one day....they have to get some of these old farts out of office eventually. Then its rock n roll time.

(Curse, you, Ohio).

Actually, I believe Bush is planning on running for Emperor of the Americas in 2008, Supreme-Clone in 2012, and 'god' in 2016.

No - actually... I think you are right... I think it's on the cards EVENTUALLY, it's just a matter of when... and people like Dick'n'Bush, and Termies homegrown counterparts, are going to fight and fight, but eventually, they're going to have to bow to the popular vote.

yes- what Gravy said! Its going to happen one day....they have to get some of these old farts out of office eventually. Then its rock n roll time.

You mean the old farts who came from the sixties...

Oh no not this again... your new, so I'll explain what I've explained countless
times already... Im not against the gay community existing, or having
relationships... I am against gays marrying in Churches, or having civil
unions.
Are we clear?

No... you avoided the question. Not unusual.

He/she asked... HOW does it affect YOU?

You mean the old farts who came from the sixties...

Curious... you think George Bush is 40?

You mean the old farts who came from the sixties...


I dont care where or when they came from. I'm tired of all the decisions being made by people who dont have a clue what the real world is like. They dont know how difficult everyday life is for the average Joe. You think any of them had to be a single parent? No-back then the little woman stayed home and cooked and cleaned and cared for the kids. Now you have to have 2 jobs just to take care of your kids. And as far as the gay community goes, my argument still stands. If they are capable and loving enough and fit to be adoptive parents and nurture and take care of precious children, then why in hells name cant they have the right to get married and have their family recognized just as heterosexuals do?

[QUOTE=Indiru]But how does it affect you if two gay men give each other rings and promise to be together forever?

Stop it, your making me want to throw up.


Yes, yes, we've heard that you don't want to see gay men making out over dinner, but relationships are like the same thing. If you don't want to see gay men making out then don't watch! Change the channel!

Better yet, throw the telly out the window.


Is it okay for heteros to be exhibitionists then? Would you watch hetero bondage sex over dinner instead?

Uh no.

I prefer to watch sports or movies.

Deadset, why are you people so obsessed with porn anyway?


Why do YOU have to limit other's rights just because you don't think it's a good thing? Live and let live! What if someone told you you couldn't marry because you were straight?

sigh... because marriage is for men and women only, to each other.

If someone told me I couldnt marry because I was hetero, I'd probably

just`laugh at them I guess.

Curious... you think George Bush is 40?

I meant grew up in the sixties, you know peace man.

[QUOTE]

Stop it, your making me want to throw up.




Better yet, throw the telly out the window.




Uh no.

I prefer to watch sports or movies.

Deadset, why are you people so obsessed with porn anyway?




sigh... because marriage is for men and women only, to each other.

If someone told me I couldnt marry because I was hetero, I'd probably

just`laugh at them I guess.

You've not given me one point why gay marriage is so terrible. Your definition of marriage is different than others'. Deal with it. Your basic argument is "BECAUSE I SAID SO!" and sorry, that's not gonna cut it.

No... you avoided the question. Not unusual.
He/she asked... HOW does it affect YOU?

Well I dont want to be in a society, that bows down that far to PC, sheez

whats next, people wanting to marry dogs in Church?

You've not given me one point why gay marriage is so terrible. Your definition of marriage is different than others'. Deal with it. Your basic argument is "BECAUSE I SAID SO!" and sorry, that's not gonna cut it.

Well sorry cupcake, but your counter arguement seems to run along the

same lines, cant we just, disagree?

Well I dont want to be in a society, that bows down that far to PC, sheez

whats next, people wanting to marry dogs in Church?

Nothing to do with Political Correctness, Term.

I'm beginning to think you spout PC whenever you can't think of a real reason.

I'll go over it real slow for you...

Dogs.

Can't.

Consent.

Thus, they cannot legally 'marry'.

Well I dont want to be in a society, that bows down that far to PC, sheez

whats next, people wanting to marry dogs in Church?

The fact that youd even compare it with marrying a dog is just rediculous.

Well I dont want to be in a society, that bows down that far to PC, sheez

whats next, people wanting to marry dogs in Church?

Why not? How does that affect you? Does it make your life oh so terrible knowing that dogs are getting married? (For the record I don't think so because that's just kind of stupid, we're all human beings, gay or straight, and we all agree on some level that marriage is reserved for humans)

And it's not about being politically correct, it's about equality and justice, something you wouldn't understand.

Well sorry cupcake, but your counter arguement seems to run along the

same lines, cant we just, disagree?

No, I can't deal with other people's rights being taken away by people like you just because you are too intolerant to understand that not only heteros can love each other.

And you call me cupcake one more time...

[QUOTE=Peechland]I dont care where or when they came from. I'm tired of all the decisions being made by people who dont have a clue what the real world is like.

lol and you do?

They have been around longer than you have, so give them abit of credit,

what would you think of some 9 year old walking up to you, and saying

petuantly, I know more about the world than you do, you would just laugh

wouldnt you.

sigh... because marriage is for men and women only,


Prove. It.

Come on, Term... your whole argument is on the line, here.

WHY is marriage just for man and woman?

The fact that youd even compare it with marrying a dog is just rediculous.

It just means he doesn't yet comprehend the concept of CONSENTING ADULTS.

No, I can't deal with other people's rights being taken away by people like you just because you are too intolerant to understand that not only heteros can love each other.

And you call me cupcake one more time...

I was right... Terminalia IS flaming.... I always had my suspicions.

[QUOTE=Indiru]No, I can't deal with other people's rights being taken away by people like you just because you are too intolerant to understand that not only heteros can love each other.

Its not about that, I know gays love each other, but to have a relationship

that isnt natural, a devient one, is not the same as one between a man and

a woman, and shouldnt be recognised by Church or State.


And you call me cupcake one more time...

What would you prefer, bushpig, swamp donkey? town bike?

Something nasty instead?

[QUOTE]

lol and you do?

They have been around longer than you have, so give them abit of credit,

what would you think of some 9 year old walking up to you, and saying

petuantly, I know more about the world than you do, you would just laugh

wouldnt you.

Thats apples and oranges.....a 9 year old doesnt go out and bust its ass everyday just to put food on the table. Bills dont come to the attention of 9 year olds. Its the 9 year olds that are being lost in the shuffle due to some of these great wise men you speak of. When taxes and healthcare standards make a family have to choose to pay for the $100 prescription that their child needs, or pay the light bill so that they will have heat, well thats just the way to go! Thats excellent governing dont you think? Give me a break...

I was right... Terminalia IS flaming.... I always had my suspicions.

Muhahahaha, and I would have got away with it, if it wasnt for those pesky

kids!

[QUOTE]

Its not about that, I know gays love each other, but to have a relationship

that isnt natural, a devient one, is not the same as one between a man and

a woman, and shouldnt be recognised by Church or State.




What would you prefer, bushpig, swamp donkey? town bike?

Something nasty instead?

But WHY is gay marriage deviant or unnatural? Homosexuality has been going on for ages and throughout different species. Because you said so?

And I would prefer you call me "Lord and Master" Just kidding, call me what you like.

Thats apples and oranges.....a 9 year old doesnt go out and bust its ass everyday just to put food on the table. Bills dont come to the attention of 9 year olds. Its the 9 year olds that are being lost in the shuffle due to some of these great wise men you speak of. When taxes and healthcare standards make a family have to choose to pay for the $100 prescription that their child needs, or pay the light bill so that they will have heat, well thats just the way to go! Thats excellent governing dont you think? Give me a break...

No I'm saying compared to them you are like a kid, you think they havent

done what you have done, they have been through stages in life, you havent

even got to yet, any new revelation for you, is old news to them, you

should have more respect for the elderly, you will be there too one day, and

probably getting called an old fart that knows nothing too.

Its not about that, I know gays love each other, but to have a relationship that isnt natural, a devient one, is not the same as one between a man and a woman, and shouldnt be recognised by Church or State.

What would you prefer, bushpig, swamp donkey? town bike?
Something nasty instead?

I know it would be a stretch, Term - but, here's a thought.

How about you THINK of something that you DON'T say?

Obviously, I'd rather you'd had the sort of upbringing that inhibits this kind of poor manners, but we'll work with what we have.

Just TRY to refrain from the flames and abuse... you'll just get yourself deleted.

Nothing to do with Political Correctness, Term.
I'm beginning to think you spout PC whenever you can't think of a real reason.
I'll go over it real slow for you...
Dogs.
Can't.
Consent.
Thus, they cannot legally 'marry'.

They could be trained.

Um..me?

lol you have no idea goose.

none what so ever, if you even touched me Id break your neck. :)
Can I touch you? :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

No I'm saying compared to them you are like a kid, you think they havent done what you have done, they have been through stages in life, you havent even got to yet, any new revelation for you, is old news to them, you should have more respect for the elderly, you will be there too one day, and probably getting called an old fart that knows nothing too.

Give it up, Term.

You are arguing with your elders and betters right now, but that isn't stopping you from loosing the most dreadful tide of spite and vitriol, is it?

Oh, and by the way... Peech just thoroughly 'owned' you.

Thought I'd better point that out, you don't seem all that clued up on such things.

Muhahahaha, and I would have got away with it, if it wasnt for those pesky

kids!
I dont think he ment that sort of flaming (and do you know how BAD it sounds when you bring up flaming and kids not leting you get away with it) :p (makes me think of catholic priests)

They could be trained.

Wow... WHY are YOU so desperate for dogs to marry?

Sorry, friend, but you are wrong, anyway.

No amount of training could make a dog legally capable of 'consent'.

What is it you want to do with dogs, that you want to train them to 'give consent'?

I think that two consenting adult humans should be allowed to marry whether they are gay or straight. Simple as that.

Love is love, regardless of sexual preference.

No I'm saying compared to them you are like a kid, you think they havent

done what you have done, they have been through stages in life, you havent

even got to yet, any new revelation for you, is old news to them, you

should have more respect for the elderly, you will be there too one day, and

probably getting called an old fart that knows nothing too.
Yes a lot of old people have a lot of wisdom ... but just being old does not give you wisdom (take this from someone who worked in a nursing home for 6 years)

No I'm saying compared to them you are like a kid, you think they havent

done what you have done, they have been through stages in life, you havent

even got to yet, any new revelation for you, is old news to them, you

should have more respect for the elderly, you will be there too one day, and

probably getting called an old fart that knows nothing too.

Good lordy.....I have the utmost respect for elderly people. The Sweet little grandmas and grandpas who are getting screwed by your fat cat old farts. And if they arent open to new ideals and ways of governing, then how did we ever progress as a nation? Any nation. If someone hadnt asked what that mold was on the side of that slice of bread, then we wouldnt have found life saving penicillin. They have narrow minds that you are now describing and disguising as being "old fashion". They will get their retirement fund no matter what, why should they care if the decisions they make today will affect those of us in the future?

I know it would be a stretch, Term - but, here's a thought.
How about you THINK of something that you DON'T say?
Obviously, I'd rather you'd had the sort of upbringing that inhibits this kind of poor manners, but we'll work with what we have.
Just TRY to refrain from the flames and abuse... you'll just get yourself deleted.

Dry up Grave I was only kidding.


It wasnt directly at her.

I would never call her those names.

And you want to lay off the flaming yourself saint, and leave my upbrining

out of it?

Wow... WHY are YOU so desperate for dogs to marry?

Sorry, friend, but you are wrong, anyway.

No amount of training could make a dog legally capable of 'consent'.

What is it you want to do with dogs, that you want to train them to 'give consent'?
maybe he had one giving him "bedroom eyes"

Good lordy.....I have the utmost respect for elderly people. The Sweet little grandmas and grandpas who are getting screwed by your fat cat old farts. And if they arent open to new ideals and ways of governing, then how did we ever progress as a nation? Any nation. If someone hadnt asked what that mold was on the side of that slice of bread, then we wouldnt have found life saving penicillin. They have narrow minds that you are now describing and disguising as being "old fashion". They will get their retirement fund no matter what, why should they care if the decisions they make today will affect those of us in the future?

OMG its just all doom and gloom for you isnt it, all these fatcats are just so

damn evil,ever stop to think, that they are most of the time working their

butts off to keep your country the prosperous nation it is today, go live in

Somalia, you will find out what bad is.

Good lordy.....I have the utmost respect for elderly people. The Sweet little grandmas and grandpas who are getting screwed by your fat cat old farts. And if they arent open to new ideals and ways of governing, then how did we ever progress as a nation? Any nation. If someone hadnt asked what that mold was on the side of that slice of bread, then we wouldnt have found life saving penicillin. They have narrow minds that you are now describing and disguising as being "old fashion". They will get their retirement fund no matter what, why should they care if the decisions they make today will affect those of us in the future?

Aha... I get it... I know why Termy is being uber-defensive...

You KNOW one of those 'fat cats', don't you Termy?

2/3 of straight marriages end in divorce....so does that mean that no one can ever get married?

OMG its just all doom and gloom for you isnt it, all these fatcats are just so

damn evil,ever stop to think, that they are most of the time working their

butts off to keep your country the prosperous nation it is today, go live in

Somalia, you will find out what bad is.

Its called reality....and what fairytale land do you live in anyway?

Dry up Grave I was only kidding.
It wasnt directly at her.
I would never call her those names.
And you want to lay off the flaming yourself saint, and leave my upbrining
out of it?

What on earth gave you the idea that what you were doing was a joke?

You know, jokes are funny, right?

I didn't say anything about your upbringing, sport - I just said I would have hoped you would have had one that would have taught you manners...

Are you saying that isn't so?

Its called reality....and what fairytale land do you live in anyway?
The one where ... let me paraphrase "little kids" wont let him get away with being "flaming" :D (sorry had to do it ... if confused look back last page or so)

maybe he had one giving him "bedroom eyes"


lmao......

lmao......
you know wee need a "bedroom eyes smily" so I could give you that look too ;)

Yes a lot of old people have a lot of wisdom ... but just being old does not give you wisdom (take this from someone who worked in a nursing home for 6 years)

Um, just because their senile now, doesnt mean their not wise, what you

take for slowness, or lack of intelligence, is probably just a great lack of

energy.

Do you tell em to shaddddup! when they ask you for something?

Your not like that nursing attendant out of Happy Gilmore are you?

shudders

you know wee need a "bedroom eyes smily" so I could give you that look too ;)

I think the nearest you can get is that 'looking up' smiley...

[QUOTE]

Im seriously starting to get a head ache from this ...marriages are to create

familys, something homosexuals cant do, there.



And yet we've shown you the dictionary definition of family and homosexuals CAN do that. Yet again you seem to be getting your words confused.



I have explained, this is the umpteenth time you have asked this in one form

or another, and for the last time, you are human, but you are gay, therefore

no marriage like heteros.

Its just not good.

Why isn't it good? I've explained time again that you cannot say two things are equal but not treat them the same. Actions speak louder than words. Give me a damned reason or shut up.

[QUOTE=Grave_n_idle]What on earth gave you the idea that what you were doing was a joke?

Uh sorry, forgot, its only funny when you laugh.


You know, jokes are funny, right?

laughs at Grave.

I didn't say anything about your upbringing, sport - I just said I would have hoped you would have had one that would have taught you manners...

Well gee... tiger, it sounds like you are, again.

Are you saying that isn't so?

No, I think Ive come along better than you have, so maybe your parents

werent up to scatch?

Sorry Boo, but picking up spelling errors and bad grammar is somewhat a

hobby of mine on here, usually I ignore it, unless the person is aiming it at me.

Dont worry, I get picked on about it to heaps. shrugs.


Too bad you don't pick up your own.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041210/ap_on_re_us/gay_divorces



This article makes me question if even the most DEVOUT gay couples that ran out and got a marriage license ASAP cannot even withstand a short term marriage, what makes them able to withstand a civil union? This would cause a disaster of paperwork and expenses, transferring those rights every couple of months when ever they found a new partner. The US cannot stand for this.

A ban in Massachusetts needs to be put in place.


Thats because gay men have the mindset of women, who get emotional about stupid things, and Lesbians have the mindset of men, who get angry over stupid things.

Um, just because their senile now, doesnt mean their not wise, what you

take for slowness, or lack of intelligence, is probably just a great lack of

energy.

Do you tell em to shaddddup! when they ask you for something?

Your not like that nursing attendant out of Happy Gilmore are you?

shudders
Nope used to do maintenance and before that I spent 4 years doing volunteer work. Not only did I know the life story of all 400 people in the non mental disorder ward but I worked up in the Alzheimer’s unit also. I know what happens and I have spent Hundreds and hundreds of hours just sitting and talking with all of them.

Can you say the same? Getting all those different aged perspectives. (and I like how you call them senile when most of them are completely aware … just beyond enough control of their body to effectively take care of themselves)


And if that is not enough I have volunteered in the assisted living facilities … hundreds more of people 60 + who do not need a nursing home but need someone on call (like apartments with a nurse on hand just incase of a fall or meds)

Still with all that experience … I can still say honestly that age != wisdom

Its called reality....and what fairytale land do you live in anyway?

Your the one in fairyland I think, is it the drugs?

Well if you dont like PC either, then you will not agree with things like positive

discrimination.

I don't agree with what you have termed positive discrimination if it is what we call "Reverse Discrimination."

For for the nine millionth time:

Now allowing gays to marry is discrimination against them
Allowing gays to marry discriminates against no one.

Your the one in fairyland I think, is it the drugs?
lol great your come back boils down to "no you are but what am I"

Nope used to do maintenance and before that I spent 4 years doing volunteer work. Not only did I know the life story of all 400 people in the non mental disorder ward but I worked up in the Alzheimer’s unit also. I know what happens and I have spent Hundreds and hundreds of hours just sitting and talking with all of them.
Can you say the same? Getting all those different aged perspectives. (and I like how you call them senile when most of them are completely aware … just beyond enough control of their body to effectively take care of themselves)
And if that is not enough I have volunteered in the assisted living facilities … hundreds more of people 60 + who do not need a nursing home but need someone on call (like apartments with a nurse on hand just incase of a fall or meds)
Still with all that experience … I can still say honestly that age != wisdom

Great, Im proud of you son, keep up the good work.

Your the one in fairyland I think, is it the drugs?


I dont do drugs dork....but I think I do need some Tylenol from all of this arguing. :-/

Great, Im proud of you son, keep up the good work.I plan on it (and way to avoid the personal experience conclusion)

I dont do drugs dork....but I think I do need some Tylenol from all of this arguing. :-/
:fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: does that help?

lol great your come back boils down to "no you are but what am I"

OOOO Ive got a better comeback than youuuu.. let me guess, your in...

junior high still?