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Oh, I am all for making it illegal to be dumb.

The article on pot did not mention side-effects that some pot smokers get. Like short-term memory loss and spacing out all the time (while sober). Mind you these are the ones that smoke way too much.

Indeed, those are the ones who smoke way too much. Now let me liken drinking to people whose livers quite literally rot. Even if you want to take the worst of the worst, the worst pot makes some people is stupid and lazy. Alcohol, on the other hand, makes you beligerant/obnoxious, lazy, and eventually dead by a very unpleasant means (that being your liver rotting out). Weed isn't perfectly safe, but no recreational substance (or activity) is, and it's certainly nothing compared to most of the others.

They're talking about the effects on the average, casual user...the ones in the majority that only the propaganda shows as uncommon.

I have never tried weed; the closest I have been to weed is...well, OK, I was in a room full of people smoking weed. There were about 10 people in a college dorm room smoking weed, and then there was me, who was the only one not smoking weed. I never intend to try weed; I frankly am happier not knowing what kind of pothead I would be. Same reason I am a teetotaller; I don't want to know what kind of drunk I am.

That said, a good cigar on a rare occasion is all right. I bought a cheap Cuban cigar up in Canada and am waiting for the right opportunity to smoke it.

Yes. The reasons why it is illegal in most countries confuses me.


Growing it is quite fun as well. Nothing more rewarding than smoking your own weed. I can vouch for that.

Oh, I am all for making it illegal to be dumb.

The article on pot did not mention side-effects that some pot smokers get. Like short-term memory loss and spacing out all the time (while sober). Mind you these are the ones that smoke way too much.
The study that found that there where no signifigant effects to long term marijuana use didn't mention any signifigant effects from long term marijuana use? Crazy. Those bastards....

That said, a good cigar on a rare occasion is all right. I bought a cheap Cuban cigar up in Canada and am waiting for the right opportunity to smoke it.
Unless you have that in a humidifier that thing is just getting nastier.

It's interesting how close certain polls end up.

The old "Have you ever taken drugs" thread http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=7557227#post7557227 , ended up 206-204.

In any case, I think the arguments in favor of marijuana legalization are irrefutable, especially when viewed in context of alcohol already being legal.

And of course I personally feel all drugs should be legal, but that ain't happening for some time.

Yes, I have smoked dope. Most people I know have tried it. And as much as I would like to be nice and liberal there's just no getting around the fact that it makes people stupider, ruins their memory and too often lead to mental diseases like anxiety and depression. Also I think it is completely immoral to support the trafficking that frequently leads to young people's being locked up for many, many years in an unpleasant prison far from home, for smuggling it. So I'm totally against legalizing it.

Yes, I have smoked dope. Most people I know have tried it. And as much as I would like to be nice and liberal there's just no getting around the fact that it makes people stupider, ruins their memory and too often lead to mental diseases like anxiety and depression. Also I think it is completely immoral to support the trafficking that frequently leads to young people's being locked up for many, many years in an unpleasant prison far from home, for smuggling it. So I'm totally against legalizing it.

Link me to some data that say marijuana causes mental diseases.

If you legalize it, the trafficking disappears. The only thing cracking down on drugs does is boosting the price of it which causes more trafficking. And then there will be even more undeserving people in prison.

Legalize it, there are a lot of legal things that will kill you a lot faster.

Yes, I have smoked dope. Most people I know have tried it. And as much as I would like to be nice and liberal there's just no getting around the fact that it makes people stupider, ruins their memory and too often lead to mental diseases like anxiety and depression. Also I think it is completely immoral to support the trafficking that frequently leads to young people's being locked up for many, many years in an unpleasant prison far from home, for smuggling it. So I'm totally against legalizing it.


This stance makes absolutely NO sense.

Its immoral to support the traffiking that leads to young people being locked up in an unpleasant prison.

Yet were it legal, they wouldnt smuggle it, and wouldnt go to prison, and thus you would NOT be supporting the trafficking.

While it IS known to cause anxiety, its far more likely that depressed people turn to it as an "out" from the depression they feel normally.

The study that found that there where no signifigant effects to long term marijuana use didn't mention any signifigant effects from long term marijuana use? Crazy. Those bastards....
That is why I said this:
Meh, science can't explain stupidity yet.

Link me to some data that say marijuana causes mental diseases.

If you legalize it, the trafficking disappears. The only thing cracking down on drugs does is boosting the price of it which causes more trafficking. And then there will be even more undeserving people in prison.

Legalize it, there are a lot of legal things that will kill you a lot faster.

http://www.hon.ch/News/HSN/510418.html

There's lots of articles stating results like these on medical sites, this is just one example. Also there's plenty of "anecdotal evidence" that I believe almost anybody can see if they don't feel morally compelled to explain it away. The problem of smuggling won't cease until marijuana is legalized along the smuggler's routes, too - and that's not very likely to happen anytime soon. So, unless Dutch officials have managed to get to some international agreement that I haven't heard of, those who smoke dope in the Netherlands, for instance, are still contributing to, and responsible for, unlucky people being locked up in other parts of the world. I agree, btw, that smoking dope rarely kills people, but the effect on their mental abilities and health is potentially rather bad... I wish people I care about wouldn't take the risk.

http://www.hon.ch/News/HSN/510418.html

There's lots of articles stating results like these on medical sites, this is just one example. Also there's plenty of "anecdotal evidence" that I believe almost anybody can see if they don't feel morally compelled to explain it away. The problem of smuggling won't cease until marijuana is legalized along the smuggler's routes, too - and that's not very likely to happen anytime soon. So, unless Dutch officials have managed to get to some international agreement that I haven't heard of, those who smoke dope in the Netherlands, for instance, are still contributing to, and responsible for, unlucky people being locked up in other parts of the world. I agree, btw, that smoking dope rarely kills people, but the effect on their mental abilities and health is potentially rather bad... I wish people I care about wouldn't take the risk.


And why pray tell would people buy smuggled weed, which is undoubtedly going to be far more expensive and potentially of lower quality than that grown within the states themselves? Or even grown themselves?

Moreover, what the study seems to state, is that smoking pot WHILE YOU ARE A TEEN (Ie: going through all those nice chemical and hormonal changes, and still developing and growing) creates this health risk. (Seems is actually a poor word, it comes right out and says it..see below)

The second study in the British Medical Journal , of 759 New Zealanders, found that those who started smoking pot by the time they were 15 years old had quadruple the risk of non-users of being diagnosed by age 26 with schizophrenia and related disorders. That risk didn't hold for people who began taking the drug at age 18 or later. The study also found that 10 percent of the young smokers went on to develop psychosis, compared with 3 percent of the rest of the study group.

(bolding mine)

What this says to me, is that it should be legalized...grown..and regulated the same way alcohol is. A BUSINESS revolving around growing weed can produce it far more cheaply than an independant black marketeer, and with far less risk. This should kill the black marketability of it fairly well (Dont hear too much about Bootleggers anymore do you?).

I still think a 3 % risk of psychosis is rather severe... and what about depression and anxiety? The study indicates that the link between marijuana and depression can't be attributed to people smoking dope because they are already depressed. (Marijuana can't be grown in all parts of the world, btw. I can't imagine lstate-approved marijuana fields are very likely to ever happen in Norway, where I come from :) )

I still think a 3 % risk of psychosis is rather severe... and what about depression and anxiety?

Regarding the latter two, that's the person's choice, now isn't it? Regarding the former...great, someone's proven that use of mind-altering substances exacerbates latent psychosis. That's not news. Those people probably shouldn't use marihuana, just like a person allergic to alcohol shouldn't drink - pretty simple.

I still think a 3 % risk of psychosis is rather severe... and what about depression and anxiety? The study indicates that the link between marijuana and depression can't be attributed to people smoking dope because they are already depressed. (Marijuana can't be grown in all parts of the world, btw. I can't imagine lstate-approved marijuana fields are very likely to ever happen in Norway, where I come from :) )

It can and is grown here, so by legalizing it, the US would effectively kill all marijuana trafficking entering this country. And that I would surmise would end most of it in the world.

Also, does the study account for the people who also use various pharmaceutical psychotropic drugs and opiates, which are known to cause psychosis? I would say that people who smoke marijuana are 4 times more likely to use those drugs as well, and that is not caused by marijuana.

I still think a 3 % risk of psychosis is rather severe... and what about depression and anxiety? The study indicates that the link between marijuana and depression can't be attributed to people smoking dope because they are already depressed. (Marijuana can't be grown in all parts of the world, btw. I can't imagine lstate-approved marijuana fields are very likely to ever happen in Norway, where I come from :) )


Have you seen the side effects of some of the LEGAL drugs theyve put out? The hairgrowth pill that its dangerous for women to handle with their bare hands, especially if she's pregnant because it causes birth defects? How about the effects of long term alcohol use on depression and mental stability? It's a psychologically addictive substance, but it lacks the addictive capacity of say caffine, or tobacco, and it also lacks the PHYSICAL addictive capabilities of Alcohol.

People also work through depression every day. And Anxiety is one of the KNOWN side effects of it, if you dont want to be anxious, dont take up the habit. Moreover you dont hear about people getting blasted on weed and kicking someones ass, or robbing a liquor store..or passing out and pissing their own pants and waking up not remembering anything they did the night before as you do with a perfectly legal substance...alcohol.

Prohibition just propagates a criminal black market, which makes those who WILL seek the prohibited item out encounter the rougher element that is willing to provide the illegal substance. It also clogs prisons with offenders whose only crime is dealing in the substance, causing a drain on taxpayer monies and forcing them into contact with the above rougher element, often psychologically scarring them further, and making them more criminal than they were before.

yes I have tried some ganja and enjoyed it very much.. unfortunately I haven't been able to smoke in a long time cause I'm in the army now and there's those drug tests.. anyway, I've heard that some dude tried to get to the guinness record book by smoking some 100 cigarettes at the same time and got himself dead, so I think that you could do that with spliffs too and die, eventhough I think nobody is so stupid to pull something like that, but you never know..
Ali G in da house is a freaking funny movie to watch when stoned...


legalize!!!!

The problem is you don't know beforehand whether you are one of those people who are going to get a psychosis or not. And a psychosis is not like an allergic reaction that goes away - often it doesn't occur until a while after you have actually smoked, and it can cause lasting alterations in the brain (not nice, happy, mind-expanding alterations unfortunately). As long as people don't have knowledge about the risks you can't say it's their personal choice to expose themselves to the risk of depression and anxiety. And now there's a trend that marijuana is claimed not to be more dangerous than alcohol, which is not true, but many young people believe it.

The problem is you don't know beforehand whether you are one of those people who are going to get a psychosis or not. And a psychosis is not like an allergic reaction that goes away - often it doesn't occur until a while after you have actually smoked, and it can cause lasting alterations in the brain (not nice, happy, mind-expanding alterations unfortunately). As long as people don't have knowledge about the risks you can't say it's their personal choice to expose themselves to the risk of depression and anxiety. And now there's a trend that marijuana is claimed not to be more dangerous than alcohol, which is not true, but many young people believe it.

I work with the schizophrenic daily, so don't begin to tell me what psychotic behavior or its causes are. No, those people don't know who they are before they smoke, but once they find out, then they ought not to do it. If they run afoul of the law, then they face the consequences. When those people are sober again, the psychotic episode ends. It's not as if THC hits a "crazy" switch and the person is psychotic forever after.

Unless, of course, you'd like to provide me with some links to what I can only assume is your lay-understanding of psychoreactive substances and the mind. While you're at it, prove the part in bold above, this ought to be good...would that "trend" be to make logical arguments citing science which supports that claim?

Here's a hint - many people believe that, and I'd go so far as to say most professionals in the mental health field who know anything about psychopharmocology. But, let's see the argument you have to trump them.

EDIT: For Christ's sake, I just posted the evidence on the last page!

Long term neurological effects...worse from marihuana?

http://alcoholism.about.com/od/dementia/

Hmm...

http://alcoholism.about.com/cs/pot/a/blucsd030628.htm

Interesting.

Also, does the study account for the people who also use various pharmaceutical psychotropic drugs and opiates, which are known to cause psychosis? I would say that people who smoke marijuana are 4 times more likely to use those drugs as well, and that is not caused by marijuana.

Well it says in the article that the use of pharmaceutical drugs is accounted for.... and of course legal drugs are not very good for you either. Neither is alcohol abuse. But honestly, Freoria, depression and anxiety are serious conditions. When you say "people work through depression every day" it sounds like you think it's some kind of romantic urban blues or something. It's not. People die from it.

The problem is you don't know beforehand whether you are one of those people who are going to get a psychosis or not. And a psychosis is not like an allergic reaction that goes away - often it doesn't occur until a while after you have actually smoked, and it can cause lasting alterations in the brain (not nice, happy, mind-expanding alterations unfortunately). As long as people don't have knowledge about the risks you can't say it's their personal choice to expose themselves to the risk of depression and anxiety. And now there's a trend that marijuana is claimed not to be more dangerous than alcohol, which is not true, but many young people believe it.


Actually it IS true, however Alcohol is Legal, so they dont spend buttstacks of money trying to justify why its illegal. Thousands of people die of drunk driving accidents every year. Thousands die of Cirrosis of the liver, and other alcohol related problems. Hell every so often we even read about a college student binge drinking themselves to death. And yes..it does apparently excaberate it..but you are AGAIN ignoring that the study found that there was NO INCREASED RISK of severe mental disorders outside of perhaps depression and anxiety in those who DID NOT start smoking until after eighteen.

To Clarify one more time

Your study found...quite potentially rightly as far as I know..

1. That those teens who start smoking weed before they reach the end, or near end of puberty are more likely to develop a mental disorder.

2. That those who didnt smoke before they turned eighteen or so DID NOT have the increased risk of developing schizophrenia or other serious mental ailments.

So...the increased risk argument does not follow for a substance regulated and controlled as alcohol is. (As a side note yes i KNOW kids will try it whether its illegal or not..theyre doing so now..and honestly not really having all that hard a time getting ahold of it anyway. At least by legalizing it you dont destroy families by sending members to jail or prison for having or selling it.)

I've never smoked weed. I don't think it's safe to alter my brain chemistry any more than it already is.

Actually it IS true, however Alcohol is Legal, so they dont spend buttstacks of money trying to justify why its illegal. Thousands of people die of drunk driving accidents every year. Thousands die of Cirrosis of the liver, and other alcohol related problems. Hell every so often we even read about a college student binge drinking themselves to death. And yes..it does apparently excaberate it..but you are AGAIN ignoring that the study found that there was NO INCREASED RISK of severe mental disorders outside of perhaps depression and anxiety in those who DID NOT start smoking until after eighteen.

To Clarify one more time

Your study found...quite potentially rightly as far as I know..

1. That those teens who start smoking weed before they reach the end, or near end of puberty are more likely to develop a mental disorder.

2. That those who didnt smoke before they turned eighteen or so DID NOT have the increased risk of developing schizophrenia or other serious mental ailments.

So...the increased risk argument does not follow for a substance regulated and controlled as alcohol is. (As a side note yes i KNOW kids will try it whether its illegal or not..theyre doing so now..and honestly not really having all that hard a time getting ahold of it anyway. At least by legalizing it you dont destroy families by sending members to jail or prison for having or selling it.)

Well said, thanks for laying that out so clearly.

Yes, Anbar, I know, opinions differ in the scientific community too. And nobody is saying that people get psychotic ever after from being psychotic once. But severe psychosis can change the chemical balance in your brain permanently. I don't know why you're so angry and arrogant about this? If you want to discuss with people you should leave out the sarcasms.

Well it says in the article that the use of pharmaceutical drugs is accounted for.... and of course legal drugs are not very good for you either. Neither is alcohol abuse. But honestly, Freoria, depression and anxiety are serious conditions. When you say "people work through depression every day" it sounds like you think it's some kind of romantic urban blues or something. It's not. People die from it.

By the by...speaking as someone whose father takes something called Alprazalan or some funky name like that for his anxiety attacks, and has a mother on Prozac (though she hates taking it as it turns her into a zombie) I full well understand the conditions. I say "People work through depression every day" because they DO. Hell they assign the term "clinical depression" left and right nowadays. You know what though...if you start to suffer from depression and anxiety because of the drug....stop taking it...the body is incredibly resilient and can and does readjust itself once a drug is removed from the system for a long time. (It works on heroin and cocaine damage, i can hardly see why it wouldnt on weed.)

you are AGAIN ignoring that the study found that there was NO INCREASED RISK of severe mental disorders outside of perhaps depression and anxiety in those who DID NOT start smoking until after eighteen.



Again, why the aggression? Depression and anxiety are severe mental disorders. Besides, most people who smoke dope start before they're 18. I'm not ignoring it. But it's interesting that all you people who disagree with me jump on the one statement in this article that mentions what was NOT found to be a danger... and brush away the risk of depression and anxiety as if it were a trifle.

No... because... I'm not stupid.
taps nose in approval

Yes, Anbar, I know, opinions differ in the scientific community too. And nobody is saying that people get psychotic ever after from being psychotic once. But severe psychosis can change the chemical balance in your brain permanently. I don't know why you're so angry and arrogant about this? If you want to discuss with people you should leave out the sarcasms.

I'm not angry, I'm annoyed; and my arrogance is universal to every issue.

I'm annoyed (and thusly sarcastic) because I've dealt with a lot of people making a lot of baseless and erroneous claims about a lot of things. If you want to put yourself above them, point me to your sources which evidence your claims. Just saying what you are doesn't make it true, so pony up soe evidence. I suggest Pubmed, for starters.

Opinions vary? Yeah, they do, but it's not an even split, and the data does not support the side you do. Once again, it's worth pointing out that your studies do not prove what you say, and frankly your view of how the mind works is wrong. You mention severe psychosis as if your articles stated that those people have severe psychotic reactions, when they don't specify at all. Your claim that severe psychosis can change the brain is also very wrong. I know you can't provide a source to prove this, because our understanding of the mind is not accurate enouugh to gauge this. We don't know what causes schizophrenia, and what you're arguing seems to be a chicken-or-the-egg argument. Are you actually concluding that psychotic people have altered brains because of deleterious effects of their psychosis, when it could just as easily be the other way around?

As I said, if a person has a psychotic episode due to any substance, they ought to stop using that substance. If they keep it up and run afoul of the law, then they ought to be tried for it. In this country, we punish individuals for their actions, not legislate the behavior of all for the potential stupidity of the few.

Again, why the aggression? Depression and anxiety are severe mental disorders. Besides, most people who smoke dope start before they're 18. I'm not ignoring it. But it's interesting that all you people who disagree with me jump on the one statement in this article that mentions what was NOT found to be a danger... and brush away the risk of depression and anxiety as if it were a trifle.

First of all, kids should not be smoking - that's already illegal, so it's not a basis for an argument. No one is advocating the legalization for marihuana to minors.

Secondly, those risks you mention are personal risks, the result of personal decisions which the government has no right to prohibit. If a person finds marihuana makes them depressed or anxious, they ought to not smoke it. Such things, as with the psychosis you were citing earlier, do not just suddenly appear after one or even a few uses of THC.

Again, why the aggression? Depression and anxiety are severe mental disorders. Besides, most people who smoke dope start before they're 18. I'm not ignoring it. But it's interesting that all you people who disagree with me jump on the one statement in this article that mentions what was NOT found to be a danger... and brush away the risk of depression and anxiety as if it were a trifle.


Because it IS a trifle in the grand scheme of "dangerous drugs that ought to be outlawed". Many legal drugs, even those used for recreational purposes provide side effects far far worse. Hell more people have died of using VIAGRA than have from smoking marijunana.

Going out and sleeping around and catching an STD can cause depression and anxiety...it isnt illegal.

Getting a bunch of credit card debt and getting harassed by the bill collecters can cause depression and anxiety....it also isnt illegal.

Just being born with the wrong DNA can cause depression and anxiety.....not illegal.

There are people who get completely hyped up on a cup of coffee..and have an entirely unpleasant day and/or get sick from it...what do they do? Not drink coffee!

People are allergic to peanuts....they tend to find that out the hard way at first. Once they know..if they continue to eat peanuts..theres not a person in the world that wouldnt think they were just being stupid..because they WOULD be.

As for aggression, its a pet peeve, and im not sure you mean to but the way debates happen online most of the time seems to be playing out fairly standardly here.

1) Claim is made, usually by misrepresenting the finding of some study or another

2) Rebuttal comes swiftly, using the very same source linked before...often the qualifier has been ignored or edited out of the first claim.

3) Claimant ignores that previous point has been disproven by his own source, and tacks on to a minor peripheral issue.

4) Peripheral issue also rebutted..perhaps with a new source..perhaps with the same one.

5) This too is ignored in favor of a different tack..usually also fairly trivial to the matter being discussed.

6) Repeat ad nauseum til people get sick of arguing.

It gets old...the article listed a qualifier to the claim that it caused mental instability, which was ignored when you posted. Now you attempt to make a mountain out of the molehill that is the known side effects. So...let me just pin the tail on this donkey of a source with this.

Michael Lynskey, a psychiatrist at Washington University in St. Louis and a co-author of the Australian study, says he "wouldn't want to make a definitive statement either way" about whether marijuana causes psychosis or depression. Even a doubling of the risk of depression is considered a relatively small increase, he says. So the effect of marijuana is probably modest.

Hell...just because im feeling contentious tonight!

The Swedish say thusly:
As many as one in seven cases of schizophrenia could be prevented by eradicating marijuana.

That's the contention of a new study of Swedish soldiers that found smoking pot increases the risk of the psychiatric disorder by about 30 percent.

The british say this though:
The second study in the British Medical Journal , of 759 New Zealanders, found that those who started smoking pot by the time they were 15 years old had quadruple the risk of non-users of being diagnosed by age 26 with schizophrenia and related disorders. That risk didn't hold for people who began taking the drug at age 18 or later. The study also found that 10 percent of the young smokers went on to develop psychosis, compared with 3 percent of the rest of the study group.

Louise Arseneault, a psychiatrist at King's College, London, and a co-author of the study, says marijuana use "predisposes" children to schizophrenia later in life.

"It's part of a complex group of causes. You don't need to smoke cannabis to have schizophrenia," Arseneault says. "A lot of people have it who didn't smoke, and a lot smoke but don't get it."


But then...the australians say this...specifically about the depression and anxiety you tout as severe mental illnesses:

Michael Lynskey, a psychiatrist at Washington University in St. Louis and a co-author of the Australian study, says he "wouldn't want to make a definitive statement either way" about whether marijuana causes psychosis or depression. Even a doubling of the risk of depression is considered a relatively small increase, he says. So the effect of marijuana is probably modest.

Your own source has three different contradictory sets of results. Do we believe Sweden, Britain or Australia?

Hell...just because im feeling contentious tonight!

The Swedish say thusly:


The british say this though:


But then...the australians say this...specifically about the depression and anxiety you tout as severe mental illnesses:



Your own source has three different contradictory sets of results. Do we believe Sweden, Britain or Australia?

This is a case of not really knowing which is the cart and which is the horse.

Yes marijuana use is prevalent among psychotics, but to say that marijuana causes psychosis is a difficult thing to back up. People who have schizophrenia have a higher use rate of all drugs, including alcohol, than those who do not engage in maladaptive behavior.

Much like the so called "amotivational syndrome," many of the symptoms of anti-social behavior can already be shown before the individual actually makes the choice to use marijuana. It could very well be that people who have problems tend to have escapist philosophies, and therefore are more open to using mind-altering substances than others.

Now did any of the studies previously mentioned, take a group of average people, tell them to smoke pot on a hourly, daily, weekly, or monthly basis, and measure the results over their lifetimes? (If hourly, is there any way I could get in on that?) It would take a study of a very large population of people from all walks on life who were willing to be observed for signs of clinical depression/mania/schizophrenia from the day they were born for quite some time.

Hell, I feel and act a more balanced and in control person now that I smoke pot than I am concious of feeling for the 14 years before I ever tried it.

No, for the same reason I don't stick flaming suspended cymbal mallets in my ears.

Much like the so called "amotivational syndrome," many of the symptoms of anti-social behavior can already be shown before the individual actually makes the choice to use marijuana. It could very well be that people who have problems tend to have escapist philosophies, and therefore are more open to using mind-altering substances than others.damn straight dude, well said.
Hell, I feel and act a more balanced and in control person now that I smoke pot than I am concious of feeling for the 14 years before I ever tried it.
pot can be a balancing factor indeed - i personally use it to help with depression i developed before i started smoking.

unfortunaley, though i am most definatley a proponent of pot, i think i may have now burned out on it :( just smoked too much too often or something (dunno how burning out works) and am getting increasingly paranoid all the time, and cant seem to get high anymore :( :( so gonna have to take a break for a month or so :mad: http://www.hippy.com/php/article-64.html
sucks man

First of all, kids should not be smoking - that's already illegal, so it's not a basis for an argument. No one is advocating the legalization for marihuana to minors.

hey, i am! all drugs should be legal to all persons at all times for any reason! if parents don't want their kids to smoke then that's their job, not the government's.

hey, i am! all drugs should be legal to all persons at all times for any reason! if parents don't want their kids to smoke then that's their job, not the government's.


You a pothead Fokker? o.O

You a pothead Fokker? o.O
hehe.

i never really took to marijuana, myself...it just makes me sleepy and hungry.

Ironically, I can take it or leave it too. Its nice to unwind with..or use to reset your sleep schedule when your monkey ass is up at...oh...3.55 am posting on a forums board for some godawful reason.

Ironically, I can take it or leave it too. Its nice to unwind with..or use to reset your sleep schedule when your monkey ass is up at...oh...3.55 am posting on a forums board for some godawful reason.
man, i hear that. the one thing i do enjoy sometimes is a hit off of a good hookah; my friend uses honey and these apple flake thingies, and it just tastes wonderful. it's like having a glass of apple brandy, nice and soothing for the unwinding after a night out.

man, i hear that. the one thing i do enjoy sometimes is a hit off of a good hookah; my friend uses honey and these apple flake thingies, and it just tastes wonderful. it's like having a glass of apple brandy, nice and soothing for the unwinding after a night out.


Sweet monkey jesus i love the hookah...flavored tobacco all the way. Ever have apricot? To die for (literally id imagine).'

EDIT: What the hell..ive just used the word monkey twice in two posts. WTF do monkeys have to do with any of this.

It's just plain fun ok

man, i hear that. the one thing i do enjoy sometimes is a hit off of a good hookah; my friend uses honey and these apple flake thingies, and it just tastes wonderful. it's like having a glass of apple brandy, nice and soothing for the unwinding after a night out.
Sweet crap, Bottle-hyperintellegent, slightly anti-social, opinionated and a pothead??? I gotta say, you're lucky I'm a lazy lazy man, otherwise you'd have one big-ass loser of a stalker.....

no wonder you can't think of a name... ;)

I haven't smoked pot before. I'd like to try it out just once but my dad would kill me. He's really strict and I'm not even allowed to have any alcoholic drinks (I'm nearly 16). So if he ever caught me doing any illegal drugs he'd probably buy some of those home drug testing kits

good for Dad

good for Dad


Yes, because we all know dads strict almost overbearing probing to the extent of making his kid piss test will certainly curb his curiosity about the drug. It will most definately cause him to NOT try it just as soon as its offered and he's out of his fathers household wont it. Thats exactly how it works...yup. mmmmhmmm

I haven't smoked pot before. I'd like to try it out just once but my dad would kill me. He's really strict and I'm not even allowed to have any alcoholic drinks (I'm nearly 16). So if he ever caught me doing any illegal drugs he'd probably buy some of those home drug testing kits

Just do it at a friends place, get some who are interested (get someone who knows a reputable dealer to buy you something that isn't too strong) and have a session overnight. If it shows up on a piss test later blame it on passive smoke or something. If you're curious and want to try it, theres only one way to fix that.

i like to have to occasional joint. weed's fine as long as you don't let it get out of hand. for all those people who say it leads onto other drugs thats a loada crap. the person decides whether to start taking other drugs, i've never been compelled to do anything other than weed. for all the storys you hear where weed has "made people stupid" etc there are plenty for whom it has not, and even helped then by giving them an escape. people who are massivly against smoking weed and the effects should stop and look at their music collection. most of that was probably written by high people so if weeds so bad how's the music so good?

I've never smoked weed, or used any other illegal drug. I actually care about having a properly functioning body.

most of that was probably written by high people so if weeds so bad how's the music so good?

Subtle Bill Hicks reference there?

I've never smoked weed, or used any other illegal drug. I actually care about having a properly functioning body.

That's the thing, see. The illegality of a substance does not correspond to the amount of harm it causes. Alcohol is *far* more dangerous than marijuana in all ways. Of course, everything in moderation, but...

i like to have to occasional joint. weed's fine as long as you don't let it get out of hand. for all those people who say it leads onto other drugs thats a loada crap. the person decides whether to start taking other drugs, i've never been compelled to do anything other than weed. for all the storys you hear where weed has "made people stupid" etc there are plenty for whom it has not, and even helped then by giving them an escape. people who are massivly against smoking weed and the effects should stop and look at their music collection. most of that was probably written by high people so if weeds so bad how's the music so good?

Many Irish can drink and drive and not be affected. So just because a few individuals are not affected does not make it safe.

I never knew my nick was a drug till i was 13 :(

Many Irish can drink and drive and not be affected. So just because a few individuals are not affected does not make it safe.

Noone has ever died from marijuana usage.

i smoke it and love it for 3 reasons:

a) it's the only time i don't feel pain,
b) it's the only time i get 2 sleep,
c) it's a very social thing!!! many long and weird convos have been had over a joint!!!

c) it's a very social thing!!! many long and weird convos have been had over a joint!!!

Oh yeah. And the funniest things said...pity they're mostly in-jokes. If I could just have stoners wit on me at all times :)

people the point is when I drink alcohol I dont make other people drink it, when you smoke you breathe that shit out and other people who dont want to smoke breathe it in. If you want to smoke just dont do it in public, then ill be fine with you smoking whether it be weed or tobacco

Ah the anecdotes. Let me reply to these:

My friend Ric, currently reading Mathematics at Oxford University, straight A student, smokes pot.

Other friend, Ste, going to Cambridge to read Chemical Engineering, smokes pot. Straight A student.

My sister, freelance journalist, smokes pot. Lives a good life.

Who are YOU to tell people what they can and cannot take? As long as they don't harm anyone else it isn't any of your god damn business.

(Oh, and the "point" of any drug is that it might...*gasp*...make you feel good! http://www.newscientist.com/hottopics/marijuana/)

Noone has ever died from marijuana usage.
If an airplane pilot smoken and then flew he might crush and die.

If yu are babysitting and you are stoned you might be aware of the baby who crawls in the swimming pool and drowns.

So someone can die from that.

I'm too smart to know not to do drugs.

After High School and beginning College I started Smoking Pot...tender age of 19...

I have had many good experiences with Pot. Weed helped me Graduate in College as it allowed my mind to understand the hard concepts of Calculas I & II & III, Differential Equations, Atmospheric Dynamics, Physics, and a whole list of other Courses that aren't easy, even for a straightedged-sober student.

I find it quite funny how others who are too afraid to question what the State and propaganda tell us what is bad....certainly common sence goes along way, but to follow others blindly as to what they think is just plain foolish. Live your own life, make your own decisions.

But even in life there are times when you must change, as I have had to do for my family and for my life. There's no doubt that I miss smoking pot, being high and chilling out with my friends; but for me :my job, my career, and my life come first.

It makes me happy to see others enjoying that wonderful herb, and if it is ever made legal, I'll be ready to pay my Marijania Tax for my pack of joints. But until then, I say enjoy it while you can!

Nature has its reasons for everything, even if we dont understand them (what most of the times we dont) :D

people the point is when I drink alcohol I dont make other people drink it, when you smoke you breathe that shit out and other people who dont want to smoke breathe it in. If you want to smoke just dont do it in public, then ill be fine with you smoking whether it be weed or tobacco

You know alot of people who smoke pot in public?

If an airplane pilot smoken and then flew he might crush and die.

If yu are babysitting and you are stoned you might be aware of the baby who crawls in the swimming pool and drowns.

So someone can die from that.

Those are the most inane commercials ever.

no, that's stupid. I have far too many things better to do than to smoke weed. Besides, it's nasty, and why would you purposely fry your brain cells anyway???

No, because I've never been offered it and because I don't think it's a good choice.

I've smoked it a few times just for the experiment, but I don't smoke it anymore. It was fun, but I also realized that it was possible to have fun and have a few laughs without getting high. People who need to smoke weed to have a good time are stupid.

No because I have seen it turn intelligent people into complete morons.

Exactly.

I remember my Psych teacher's thoughts on drugs. Let the government legalize all of them, taking over distribution and production, and lace it all with arsenic.

mary-jew-wanna is baaad, ummkay? gateway drug? no more than anything else (cigs beer asid toads...), once you open yerself up to any mental escape, you'll be open to another.

fact is, since pre-school, we've been learned that a dream is nothing more than a distraction from the blatenly dull exsistance that we, as 'responsible' human beeins, owe our (radilcal militant) forefathers! They faught those britts (no hard feeling, k?) so we could live our lives free of any sort of independant (ironic?) thought! (perhaps i took that too far, but ya'all get my drift)

seriously though... drugs arent needed to be a brilliant musician, artist, lover, or fool. they only open us up to what is in us, what has been given to us, by what ever diety , (or instinct or whatever), you see fit. it's a dirty shame that we dont let eachother, ourselves even, see how powerful we truelly are, it's infinate.

Please parents, don't condem yer children's dreams, nurture them. maby they wont have to take drugs to let there talents shine. Imagine a world where we wouldn't have to make ourselves stupid just to try and forget all the recockulous bullsh*t we do to each other, and instead be secure enough in our ideals to stand up to it. do something about it. and not have some uppity yahoo flash a blood test in our face and say "you're just another junky nut-job, don't matter what you have to say, it aint worth my time"

anyhow, it's pretty late in the thread, and im sure not many people will read this, but for those who do, please pass this message on... Our species would be nothing but apes if it weren't fer free-thinkers.

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seriously though... drugs arent needed to be a brilliant musician, artist, lover, or fool. they only open us up to what is in us, what has been given to us, by what ever diety , (or instinct or whatever), you see fit. it's a dirty shame that we dont let eachother, ourselves even, see how powerful we truelly are, it's infinate.
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Our species would be nothing but apes if it weren't fer free-thinkers.

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agreed. that's why id like to try LSD - to open my mind to something completely new. probably just once tho.

Weed destroys the brain, alcohol does, sigars, ect.. everything kills you these days. At the end of your life you'll think of all the stuff you didn't do, and it bothers you, your 90 regret the fact that you missed 50% of your life and smoke a little pot... you drop dead. Dude.. You should have done it when you were still alive. This is good advice :). A friend of mine does it for 2 years now, his IQ is 129. Sssss.. thx

Exactly.

I remember my Psych teacher's thoughts on drugs. Let the government legalize all of them, taking over distribution and production, and lace it all with arsenic.
Except that arsenic isn't as poisonous as it is made out to be. For example, heroin is more poisonous than arsenic.

Those are the most inane commercials ever.
But they are possible...not probable...meaning few people in those situations but still possible.

why would one smoke dandylions ?

But they are possible...not probable...meaning few people in those situations but still possible.

So? It's also possible, but not probable, that someone will discover the cure for cancer while stoned. That means marijuana is mankind's savior.

I've smoked it a few times just for the experiment, but I don't smoke it anymore. It was fun, but I also realized that it was possible to have fun and have a few laughs without getting high. People who need to smoke weed to have a good time are stupid.
Try it this way:

People who need to ride rollercoasters to have fun are stupid. People who have to watch movies to have a good time are stupid. People who need to be entertained to have a good time are stupid.

Granted all of those things are better when stoned, but anyway...

It's not a matter of need. You don't need to put parmisan on the pizza to make it good, but you do because it makes it a little better. You don't need to dip your fries in catsup to enjoy them, but you do because it makes it a little better. Not doing either of those makes the fries or the pizza suck, they just make it not as cool as it is with what's added.

If it's not for you, thats cool. I am not one to say, "Everyone's gotta get high, man...," just to live and let live. I don't need you telling me I'm stupid because I like parmisan on my pizza, catsup on my fries (I actually don't like that, but thats not my point) or a little weed with my movie.

As for the whole "gateway" theory...

Weed is not the gateway. Knowledge is the gateway. Once you know that it's possible to alter your consciousness, you've already crossed the gateway. And then you make your choices, what drugs to try and not to try.

And realistically, you would have to ban alcohol again, seeing as how that's typically everyone's first (and often only) drug.

Once people know that drugs exist, they'll either decide to try them or not to try them. The "gateway" argument is false.

Try it this way:

People who need to ride rollercoasters to have fun are stupid. People who have to watch movies to have a good time are stupid. People who need to be entertained to have a good time are stupid.

Granted all of those things are better when stoned, but anyway...

It's not a matter of need. You don't need to put parmisan on the pizza to make it good, but you do because it makes it a little better. You don't need to dip your fries in catsup to enjoy them, but you do because it makes it a little better. Not doing either of those makes the fries or the pizza suck, they just make it not as cool as it is with what's added.

If it's not for you, thats cool. I am not one to say, "Everyone's gotta get high, man...," just to live and let live. I don't need you telling me I'm stupid because I like parmisan on my pizza, catsup on my fries (I actually don't like that, but thats not my point) or a little weed with my movie.
Aye Aye to that!

No, and never will. Won't do any drugs whatever.

They are idiotic, and used to seperate the stupid from the dumb in the sense of common sense and willpower.

No, and never will. Won't do any drugs whatever.

They are idiotic, and used to seperate the stupid from the dumb in the sense of common sense and willpower.
You ever had a beer?

No, and never will. Won't do any drugs whatever.

They are idiotic, and used to seperate the stupid from the dumb in the sense of common sense and willpower.
Where are people getting with this?

Where are people getting with this?

Their rectal cavities.

Where are people getting with this?
Anti-drug "education"... the problem being that when one of these people actually try weed and it doesn't instantly make them a blithering moron or go on a child killing spree all information they have recieved about drugs becomes invalid, thus opening the door for 'harder' and more damaging and dangerous drugs. So thanks for building that gate, drug war...

No, and never will. Won't do any drugs whatever.

They are idiotic, and used to seperate the stupid from the dumb in the sense of common sense and willpower.

i hate people who judge something when they've never even given it a chance. Granted I know a friend who practically smoked himself retarded, but only because he went overboard. I smoke somewhat often, and it's merely a fun thing to do.

I have very strong willpower; ive quit pot and cigarrettes plenty of times for a good length in time. I have enough common sense to try something before i decide to love or hate it. I have a 93.something% average in school.

Asprin is a drug. It cures headaches. Is that idiotic? Drugs arent idiotic, they're just overanalyzed by the media so the people can be brainwashed into thinking all black-market items are evil.

Anti-drug "education"... the problem being that when one of these people actually try weed and it doesn't instantly make them a blithering moron or go on a child killing spree all information they have recieved about drugs becomes invalid, thus opening the door for 'harder' and more damaging and dangerous drugs. So thanks for building that gate, drug war...
Oh yeah. Anti-Drug. the subject that I teach... heh heh. I'm a health and science teacher *lol*

Oh yeah. Anti-Drug. the subject that I teach... heh heh. I'm a health and science teacher *lol*
Sweet! The two groups of people I smoke with the most often are teachers and entertainers.....

Sweet! The two groups of people I smoke with the most often are teachers and entertainers.....
Same here. My fellow teacher/band member/ex boyfriend.
Though my girlfriend-fiance doesn't know I smoke grass. I'm sneaky. lol

no, that's stupid. I have far too many things better to do than to smoke weed. Besides, it's nasty, and why would you purposely fry your brain cells anyway???

Marijuana does not "fry" your brain cells. I once went to math class high in my sophmore year. There was a pop quiz and I didn't know what we were doing in class at all. I got a 93. Somehow, weed helped me on that quiz.

Marijuana does not "fry" your brain cells. I once went to math class high in my sophmore year. There was a pop quiz and I didn't know what we were doing in class at all. I got a 93. Somehow, weed helped me on that quiz.
doubt it helped you, but unless you were so stoned you were falling over it wouldnt have hurt

Marijuana does not "fry" your brain cells. I once went to math class high in my sophmore year. There was a pop quiz and I didn't know what we were doing in class at all. I got a 93. Somehow, weed helped me on that quiz.

somehow? i passed my english regents with flying colors (literally) when i was stoned. When you're high, you just have to set your mind to what you want it to do, and it can happnen. I concentrate most in school when im high.

somehow? i passed my english regents with flying colors (literally) when i was stoned. When you're high, you just have to set your mind to what you want it to do, and it can happnen. I concentrate most in school when im high.
There is a single-mindedness one can get from being high. Your brain locks itself into figuring something out. I smoked with some 'handy' people and have watched them build and modify some incredible things based on off hand comments made during smokeouts, while stoned.

somehow? i passed my english regents with flying colors (literally) when i was stoned. When you're high, you just have to set your mind to what you want it to do, and it can happnen. I concentrate most in school when im high.
If your determined it blocks out everything else and you can focus on a task.

Oh man, you know what's extra cool when you're high? Watching someone do magic tricks.....unbelievable....

The people who are against smoking weed are the same people who spend their weekends trashed off their ass with a polluted liver. I've met so many people who say "smoking weed is SO bad for you" meanwhile, that weekend they've drank a 40 of rum and had sex with someone they didn't know, oh not to mention got in a bar brawl or something.

Or, you know, not. :rolleyes:

Never have, Never will

Oh man, you know what's extra cool when you're high? Watching someone do magic tricks.....unbelievable....
thats funny as hell. or reading dirty jokes. or watching porn. lol

Anti-drug "education"... the problem being that when one of these people actually try weed and it doesn't instantly make them a blithering moron or go on a child killing spree all information they have recieved about drugs becomes invalid, thus opening the door for 'harder' and more damaging and dangerous drugs. So thanks for building that gate, drug war...
yes. man, thats an inspired post. good on ya dude

precisely whats on with me. started smokin pot bout 3 or 4 years ago and cos, even over that quite long time it hadn't turned me into an idiot or marshmallow, i now wanna try other things and see how far the drug eduation may have exaggerated things.

...but then it took ages to get here cos i researched the scientific info about the drugs i wanted to try, and keep deciding not to try em! :(

I used to smoke almost constantly and more than that I used to deal it, mainly just so I could use the excess and smoke for free most of the time and I suppose for a bit of credibillity growing up. Did all that from about 12 to 18 then when I turned 18 I took up politics got into uni and one of my friends was arrested and sentenced for dealing. It really took the fun out of it, haven't touched it since, most of my friends still do. NOthing wrong with it, but still should not be legalised. :sniper:

almost EVERYONE under 50 has smoked marajuana at least once.



Or, again, not.

Originally Posted by Ashmoria
almost EVERYONE under 50 has smoked marajuana at least once.

That's a lie and you know it.

hey, i am! all drugs should be legal to all persons at all times for any reason! if parents don't want their kids to smoke then that's their job, not the government's.

Well, that's entirely another issue entirely, then...smaller issues of gov't regulation to larger ones. Point well made, though.

man, i hear that. the one thing i do enjoy sometimes is a hit off of a good hookah; my friend uses honey and these apple flake thingies, and it just tastes wonderful. it's like having a glass of apple brandy, nice and soothing for the unwinding after a night out.

Mm, that does sound tasty. I generally don't like hookahs, because I don't like tobacco (flavored or otherwise), but that mix sounds good.

The Dominion of Michigan Sting says that drugs are LEGAL..if you can smoke we wont out vote it!

Marijuana does not "fry" your brain cells. I once went to math class high in my sophmore year. There was a pop quiz and I didn't know what we were doing in class at all. I got a 93. Somehow, weed helped me on that quiz.
I always find dope's good for doing Maths....You can like visualise things better...

Marijuana is something that has been regularly used for thousands of years. Why do I say this? Humans are the only creatures with THC receptors in the brain. This means that it only has these effects on us, which are more than likely built in. They also prove to be a means of birth control, as sperm cannot mature as well in an environment with THC lingering in the brain.
It is also damn fun, and when smoked at appropriate times, will not interfere with learning or working (hence why I only smoke on the weekends, and not on Sundays). It is an effective means of pain relief, boosts certain parts of the immune system, and causes certain viruses and bacteria to divide more slowly, causing them to get destroyed faster.

It is good, logical stuff to enjoy, and I recommend it most to anyone who happens to be Anorexic, or who has a friend who is, and doesn't want them to die of starvation. It also acts like a truth serum (on my girlfriend at least) which makes it easier to maintain a functioning relationship (knowing what is on her mind).

I couldn't believe that half of the people here haven't smoked pot. You guys are pretty lame. Even if you are employing the "it ruined my friend" story. I recommend some pot for all of you. Just enjoy it at least once in your life.

NOthing wrong with it, but still should not be legalised. :sniper:

If there's nothing wrong with it, why keep it illegal?

Ahhhh the joys of propagandized youth.

Weed, like most mild drugs including caffiene, niccotiene, alcohol and sugar is only as good or as bad as the individual user makes it. Moderate, responsible use leads to mild and temporary negative side effects including short term memory problems and weight gain.

It's harder on your lungs than commercial cigarettes, more euphoric in its effects than alcohol, reduces violent behavior in its users and is useful in the management of pain and the treatment of some conditions like glaucoma.

Personally, I believe it should be legalized and regulated like alcohol AND made available over-the-counter.

I also think that the gateway drug arguements are pretty bogus, as are the sob-stories of "really smart people turned blithering morons by demon weed". I think it's kinda funny that alcohol, a far more powerful, dangerous drug with a high physical addiction rate, that makes many users VIOLENT is practically encouraged while marijuana use is demonized. It speaks volumes about the effectiveness of modern propaganda methods.

I have met, associated with and worked with many people who recreationally use marijuana, just as I have met, associated with and worked with many people who recreationally use alcohol and I have got to say I vastly prefer to associate with the potsmokers. THEY never barfed on my carpet, peed on my toilet seats or started fights at my private parties, unlike those who drank excessively.

Tried it once just to see what it was like.

No and I don't ever intend to smoke weed. I like the amount of brain cells I have and don't want to lose any more than I lose on a normal basis.

Weed, like most mild drugs including caffiene, niccotiene, alcohol and sugar is only as good or as bad as the individual user makes it. Moderate, responsible use leads to mild and temporary negative side effects including short term memory problems and weight gain.

Sugar is not so much a drug. Oh, and weed's addictive, just not as crazy as the Reefer Madness crowd will tell you.

I have never smoked weed, but I would never deny anyone the right to do so (just don't blow your smoke in my face, 'k?). And don't do anything stupid while you're at it that would give the "anti-drug" fascists more ammunition.

Yes, yes I have.

Oh, and weed's addictive, just not as crazy as the Reefer Madness crowd will tell you.
Um.. No it's not. Addictive that is. Not physiologically anyway. And it doesn't have psychological addictive properties in the VAST majority of users.

So there.

Yes, yes I have.


Um.. No it's not. Addictive that is. Not physiologically anyway. And it doesn't have psychological addictive properties in the VAST majority of users.

So there.

I don't know. I've had a lot of friends who had the same reactions they had to not smoking cigarettes for a while that they had to weed.

Yes I do. All the time.

Why do I think it should be legal?

-I am no longer an asshole (or at least as big of one).

-I have never done anything remotely as bad as they do in those anti-weed commercials, although I frequently drive over little kids on bikes, but it's not accidental =)

-As others have said, if any drugs are legal all drugs should be legal (or at least pot, it's not THAT bad for you)

-Millions of dollars are spent fighting a "war on drugs" that will never be won. Prohabition will not work, it's not how our society works.

-A good friend of mine, a man in his forties, may go to jail for the next 10 years (or so) for growing pot for personal use. He never sold it to anybody, and never smoked with minors. He is one of the most responsible people I have ever met, and is a father. This makes no sense. People get shorter sentences for murder. I'm pretty sure NORML is handling his case, but if the judge decides to be a bastard he could be screwed.

-The list goes on...

Being a musician... yes ;)

But I don't smoke often... I don't need to. But weed is sweet when going to a music show... helps you clam down and groove along.

The cops stole a $150 hookah from me about 2 weeks ago. I say stole because they illegally raided and searched my house (for something completely unrelated to drugs ironically enough).

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I don't know. I've had a lot of friends who had the same reactions they had to not smoking cigarettes for a while that they had to weed.p
Well, that being anecdotal evidence I think I can counter that by saying that NONE of my friends who smoke have experienced anything like that.
Now on to science...
Physiologically marijuana is NOT addictive. There are pharmacological principles behind this. I think it may have to do with not causing a sharp rise in dopamine concentrations in the ventral tegmental area of the brainstem. All addictive drugs DO cause ths rise.

Ahhhh the joys of propagandized youth.

Weed, like most mild drugs including caffiene, niccotiene, alcohol and sugar is only as good or as bad as the individual user makes it. Moderate, responsible use leads to mild and temporary negative side effects including short term memory problems and weight gain.

It's harder on your lungs than commercial cigarettes, more euphoric in its effects than alcohol, reduces violent behavior in its users and is useful in the management of pain and the treatment of some conditions like glaucoma.

Personally, I believe it should be legalized and regulated like alcohol AND made available over-the-counter.

I also think that the gateway drug arguements are pretty bogus, as are the sob-stories of "really smart people turned blithering morons by demon weed". I think it's kinda funny that alcohol, a far more powerful, dangerous drug with a high physical addiction rate, that makes many users VIOLENT is practically encouraged while marijuana use is demonized. It speaks volumes about the effectiveness of modern propaganda methods.

I have met, associated with and worked with many people who recreationally use marijuana, just as I have met, associated with and worked with many people who recreationally use alcohol and I have got to say I vastly prefer to associate with the potsmokers. THEY never barfed on my carpet, peed on my toilet seats or started fights at my private parties, unlike those who drank excessively.

Amen.

Well, that being anecdotal evidence I think I can counter that by saying that NONE of my friends who smoke have experienced anything like that.
Now on to science...
Physiologically marijuana is NOT addictive. There are pharmacological principles behind this. I think it may have to do with not causing a sharp rise in dopamine concentrations in the ventral tegmental area of the brainstem. All addictive drugs DO cause ths rise.
plus those people who...

...had the same reactions they had to not smoking cigarettes for a while that they had to weed
probably were actually feeling the withdrawal of nicotine, maybe? If you smoke spliffs (rather than blunts or from bongs) then that'll have tobacco in it. they may have been craving after (extra) the nicotine.

Oh, dear, the poor misguided youth of this world. Take it from me, weed sucks. Most of our highschool does it, we've got a huge drug problem, and you can just tell the people that do it cause they're so screwed up. They talk funny and they goof off at the back of class and get D's. D D D D D D D. And maybe an occasional C. It's really sad, some kids have even died from it.

ive tried it and it woz fun till i threw up lol
but thats probably coz i drank 2 litres of white lightning cider b4 hand and it sort of tipped me over the edge lol

it calms u down which is a good thing
but i prefer alcohol it fits me better lol :p

Yea I'll do it every once in a while, it's a shitload of fun. I'd never make it a habit though, otherwise it probauly would slowly become less fun. The last time I did it was an hour or so before the Sponge Bob Square Pants movie. Oh man I remeber so little about the actual movie but I do know my friends and I were just laughing at the most ridiculous things.

Oh, dear, the poor misguided youth of this world. Take it from me, weed sucks. Most of our highschool does it, we've got a huge drug problem, and you can just tell the people that do it cause they're so screwed up. They talk funny and they goof off at the back of class and get D's. D D D D D D D. And maybe an occasional C. It's really sad, some kids have even died from it.

As a kid, you can't die from pot-smoking... it's like tobacco, it can cause lung cancer if you smoke often and for a long time

I love when people say "All these kids at my school who smoked pot did so bad." I got straight F's long before I ever started smoking pot. I just hated school, it wasn't the right atmosphere (although when I tried I got straight A's (even after I started smoking). A person's grade in high school does NOT reflect their intelligence, just their willingness to look busy and write a lot of meaningless garbage. I have a complete lack of respect for the modern education system, although as individuals there are some really good teachers.

Nope. Nor do I plan or have any desire to. I have plenty of problems without being high.

Nope. Nor do I plan or have any desire to. I have plenty of problems without being high.

So... being high is a problem ???
It only is when you use drugs to evade your inner or outer conflicts.

And... I graduated last year from high school and most of the regular pot smokers got As and Bs... smoking (or drinking, etc.) moderately doesn't affect your grades.

I have never smoked weed, but I would never deny anyone the right to do so (just don't blow your smoke in my face, 'k?). And don't do anything stupid while you're at it that would give the "anti-drug" fascists more ammunition.
YEA!!! STREAMERS, CHEERS, BALLOONS!!!!

This is what we should be striving for. Pot isn't for everybody, not everyone is going to like it or deal with it well or whatever. But what we really need is for those people who aren't into it don't mind if we do. It takes the barest minimum of comprimise, to be respectful in our usage. As long as we don't make it a problem for this guy (like constantly passing him jays or buggin' him or smokin' near his kids, etc.) then he doesn't have a problem with us-gravy. The best we can hope for. The ultimate goal.

Oh, dear, the poor misguided youth of this world. Take it from me, weed sucks. Most of our highschool does it, we've got a huge drug problem, and you can just tell the people that do it cause they're so screwed up. They talk funny and they goof off at the back of class and get D's. D D D D D D D. And maybe an occasional C. It's really sad, some kids have even died from it.


No one in the history of the world has died of smoking pot. They may have died from something some asshole laced it with. Moreover i counter your anecdotal they get D's with, I smoked and i scored 1490 on the S.A.T's.

Oh, dear, the poor misguided youth of this world. Take it from me, weed sucks. Most of our highschool does it, we've got a huge drug problem, and you can just tell the people that do it cause they're so screwed up. They talk funny and they goof off at the back of class and get D's. D D D D D D D. And maybe an occasional C. It's really sad, some kids have even died from it.
LOL, all my friends who smoke are very intelligent. They're studying to be actors, architects, doctors, teachers, engineers. Sure that doesn't apply to everyone who smokes pot, but so what? Not everyone who drinks alcohol is a wine connoisseur.
Sure, most of them are a bit different from what a very narrowminded person might call "normal," but they're very far from the drooling "duh duh" pothead you've just painted for us.

erm...I smoked weed during my a-levels and got five As

As a kid, you can't die from pot-smoking... it's like tobacco, it can cause lung cancer if you smoke often and for a long time
Tell that to them, asshole.

People are ignorant in regards to marijuana. You can't overdose from it. It's not addictive in its nature. It's no different from alcohol, in fact, it's not as bad as alcohol and alcohol is legal. I mean, someone could drink himself to death. Women are taken advange of several times and there are many drunk-driving incidents. With marijuana, you can drive home safely and trust me, I've been in a car with stoned drivers before and it was a safe, but hilarious ride. But anyway, there are drunks as well. Does that mean alcohol should be illegal? Hell no. It promotes more violence and spousal abuse. What does marijuana promote... more midnight munchies.

I'm not saying being a pothead is a good thing, but potheads are pretty friendly and really cool and down-to-earth. I used to smoke pot occasionally, but I don't want to spend money on it because the people I would smoke with are potheads so I would have to pitch in at least 20 or 30 bucks so I got over that. If it were legal then yeah, I would do it every once in a while.

Originally Posted by Prusswestovenia
As a kid, you can't die from pot-smoking... it's like tobacco, it can cause lung cancer if you smoke often and for a long time

Tell that to them, asshole.

WTF is that supposed to mean? Methinks someone has been brainwashed by the "drugs are bad mmmkay" crowd.

Seriously though, although pot can cause lung cancer, the fact is that most smokers don't smoke anywhere near as much or as often as cigarette smokers, so I'm sure the incidence of lung cancer among pot smokers is much lower.

Then theres always the people who eat their marijuana. No lung cancer there.

It means that people from my school have died from it, moron.
You sure are sensitive.
I'm gonna go now, this is getting no where, and you people are freaking disrespectful.

erm...I smoked weed during my a-levels and got five As
i smoked through end of GCSEs and A-levels, and didnt do too bad.
Got into my uni of choice to study what i wanted tho (Economics)

pot doesn't change a person's willingness to work (unless you're baked all day every day... like in my dreams :D ), and it certainly doesnt affect intelligence.
Point is i was a bit of a slacker before the pot.

and similar to id like to say that you can have good alchohol drinkers and bad ones. Just as you can have good and bad potheads. Just as you can with any drug.
Dont generalise that just because you may have only witnessed the bad type of pot smoker, doesnt mean we're all the bad type. more people smoke than one may think, they're not all blithering morons are they? (coffee, chocolate, n stuff like that)

and id also like to say that New Halcyonia and Cannot think of a name got it right. tolerance is all we ask.

It means that people from my school have died from it, moron.
You sure are sensitive.
I'm gonna go now, this is getting no where, and you people are freaking disrespectful.


Maybe if you werent a flat out liar, or misinformed we'd be more respectful. It's a scientific FACT..not opinion a FACT that no one has documented being killed from smoking or ingesting Marijuana, even those who are allergic to it, generally suffer little more than a rash or irritated lungs and mucous membranes. The kids at your school may have died, but the odds are its from someone lacing their weed with something like pcp or a herbicide.

If there were ANY evidence that you could "od" or die from smoking weed, itd be all over the media and the government would be shaking their fingers in your face and pointing to it as how horrible and bad it is. Fact is they CANT because NO ONE has died from smoking weed people MAY however have died from the toxins that have been sprayed on it to discourage smoking it.

I don't think that pot is any worse than alcohol, except that it is illegal.
It can be psychologically addictive, for most people it isn't. Some people can become alcoholics with just a couple of drinks.

One problem with pot is that it can induce psychoses in susceptible people.
A friend of mine ended up in a mental institution after smoking pot but there was a family susceptibility to schizophrenia. His brother eventually was diagnosed with schizophrenia and he didn't smoke pot.

Long term heavy smokers are usually ** in the head, so are alcoholics.

I think that a big problem with drugs is that you never know what you are getting. How strong is the pot or the pills? What are the pills really? Are they safe?

When you buy alcohol or tobacco you know what strength it is and that there is nothing else mixed with it. If there was a sensible evaluation of recreational drugs and the good ones were standardised, then there wouldn't be so much of a problem.

Of course people would still use the drugs that weren't really safe, just to prove how cool they are, but that is natures way of removing idiots from the gene pool.

I drink alcohol, I don't smoke pot, but that's my personal choice. I have eaten pot and smoked it a few times.

One more thought for those of you who wouldn't smoke pot because it is illegal. Have you ever broken the speed limit? That's illegal too, you know.

So... being high is a problem ???
It only is when you use drugs to evade your inner or outer conflicts.

And... I graduated last year from high school and most of the regular pot smokers got As and Bs... smoking (or drinking, etc.) moderately doesn't affect your grades.

Don't smack someone around just because they've acknowledged that they don't need to add another potential problem to their existing ones. While I believe that pot should be legal, and while I think it's among the safest drugs a person can take, I strongly object to pushing any drug on anyone. That's just as objectionable as saying you CAN'T have something that is reasonable.

A person who has a lot of problems already is not likely to improve his situation by smoking weed. Just as they're not likely to improve things by drinking. We should all have the freedom to chose for ourselves.

Sugar is not so much a drug. Oh, and weed's addictive, just not as crazy as the Reefer Madness crowd will tell you.

Get your facts straight.

Marijuana is NOT addictive. You sure you're not confusing marijuana with tobacco? Tobacco IS addictive, both physically and psychologically. But pot? Nope. Not a bit.

And by the definition, sugar IS a drug. As is caffiene.

Ah, a discussion on Marijuana! OMG! OMG!

To cut it short, there are always TWO sides:

The Anti-Marijuana-Fascists:

http://loserz.scribblekid.org/index.php?id=237

and the:

Marijuana-isn´t-dangerous-Nazis:

http://loserz.scribblekid.org/index.php?id=238

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