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Have you ever smoked weed? Why or why not?

Yes, frequently, because it's fun and you can have the most hysterical conversations while stoned. My friends and I are all writing a Stoner's Guide to the Universe full of absurd conversations, one-liners, and stories while stoned.

No... because... I'm not stupid.

And I inhaled ;)

Smoking weed should only be used for medicinal purposes....and if your in the army and you just gone through something extreme and you need to calm down.

Smoking weed should only be used for medicinal purposes....and if your in the army and you just gone through something extreme and you need to calm down.

Any reason for that stance?

Yes, frequently, because it's fun and you can have the most hysterical conversations while stoned. My friends and I are all writing a Stoner's Guide to the Universe full of absurd conversations, one-liners, and stories while stoned.
I always seem to make plans, which at the time seem cool, but later are completely bollocks (eg, attaching spliffs to helium balloons so it could be passed around the room without anyone getting up.)

No... because... I'm not stupid.

:rolleyes:

If you ain't choking, you ain't smoking.

No because I have seen it turn intelligent people into complete morons.

Any reason for that stance?
Army + weed = World peace ;)

If you ain't choking, you ain't smoking.

You know, sometimes I think that the best ad against smoking weed would be just a video tape of a bunch of people sitting around getting high hacking their lungs out like a group of 90 year old chain smokers with emphysema.

Army + weed = World peace ;)

I was more referring to making it illegal for the rest of the people.

Not that I care, since I'd get to smoke anyway.

I do not smoke weed because ive seen what it does to people. I knew a person named Themi Hatzis (its greek i cant spell it). Before weed he was intelligent and a militant atheist. After weed however, he was the least intellingent and unmotivated person i knew. One time in high school right after lunch, he asked if we had lunch yet (he was serious). Now he works at a gas station and probably work at a similar job for the rest of his life. On the bright side, it seems he has also lost his militance and found some peace though.

Any reason for that stance?

I believe something like weed should only be used in an efficient manner. So if it allows an old human being to last longer or prevents a soldier from going crazy then by all means it should be used there. However if theres nothing wrong with you and your smoking weed then your just doing it to get high which in my opinion doesnt produce any efficiency at all. But that after all is just MY opinion. You should just do what you wish...it is a free country.

I was more referring to making it illegal for the rest of the people.

Not that I care, since I'd get to smoke anyway.
Sorry, as soon as I read that I got a mental image of soldiers going into battle after a heavy session.

The people who are against smoking weed are the same people who spend their weekends trashed off their ass with a polluted liver. I've met so many people who say "smoking weed is SO bad for you" meanwhile, that weekend they've drank a 40 of rum and had sex with someone they didn't know, oh not to mention got in a bar brawl or something.

Yes. I've tried, but I don't do it. What's the point of putting something into your body that it really doesn't need, and costs so much money? HELLOOO? IS ANYONE HOME?

I believe something like weed should only be used in an efficient manner. So if it allows an old human being to last longer or prevents a soldier from going crazy then by all means it should be used there. However if theres nothing wrong with you and your smoking weed then your just doing it to get high which in my opinion doesnt produce any efficiency at all. But that after all is just MY opinion. You should just do what you wish...it is a free country.

Well that last part is what I agree with. I don't see why anyone else is more qualified than I am to decide how I want to fuck myself up.

I do not smoke weed because ive seen what it does to people. I knew a person named Themi Hatzis (its greek i cant spell it). Before weed he was intelligent and a militant atheist. After weed however, he was the least intellingent and unmotivated person i knew. One time in high school right after lunch, he asked if we had lunch yet (he was serious). Now he works at a gas station and probably work at a similar job for the rest of his life. On the bright side, it seems he has also lost his militance and found some peace though.
Yay anecotal evidence :)

Yes. I've tried, but I don't do it. What's the point of putting something into your body that it really doesn't need, and costs so much money? HELLOOO? IS ANYONE HOME?

Do you drink coffee or alcohol?

Yes. I've tried, but I don't do it. What's the point of putting something into your body that it really doesn't need, and costs so much money? HELLOOO? IS ANYONE HOME?
Where do you live?

Around here it doesn't cost that much

no, that stuff stinks and the smell of stale dope smoke on clothing and hair is nauseating

No, because I plan to have a long, healthy life.

Do you drink coffee or alcohol?

Coffee, never. Alcohol, very rarely. I also don't drink soda, or eat candy, or any junk food. GIVE ME MEAT.

The sermonizing in this thread is outstanding.

Coffee, never. Alcohol, very rarely. I also don't drink soda, or eat candy, or any junk food. GIVE ME MEAT.
Your body doesn't need meat ;)

Where do you live?

Around here it doesn't cost that much

Just outside of St. Louis. 30 bucks for a half ounce or so.

I have never, and never will smoke weed, or do any sorta drug, I had two friends go to the hospital in critical from overdoses.

Hmm, someone ask the mods to reply to this :p

Your body doesn't need meat ;)


I saw this whole argument coming...You need proteins, proteins come from meat. I made my point about weed, now lay off my back.

Just outside of St. Louis. 30 bucks for a half ounce or so.
As a question to other Americans (in different parts of the country) is this standard?

I have never, and never will smoke weed, or do any sorta drug, I had two friends go to the hospital in critical from overdoses.

Hmm, someone ask the mods to reply to this :p

OD? On marijuana?

I did back in high school. I never saw much problems with it, and still don't. I think it should be decriminalized to the extent of alcohol, ie, if you do something stupid high, yeah go to jail for a long time, else if you're responsible, no worries. There's been no proof that I will accept that shows marijuana to be detrimental to a person's health, overall, but I don't accept the other studies and such either, everyone has something to gain from them, so none are unbiased.

I don't smoke anymore simply because I have better things to do with my time.

I do not smoke weed because ive seen what it does to people. I knew a person named Themi Hatzis (its greek i cant spell it). Before weed he was intelligent and a militant atheist. After weed however, he was the least intellingent and unmotivated person i knew. One time in high school right after lunch, he asked if we had lunch yet (he was serious). Now he works at a gas station and probably work at a similar job for the rest of his life. On the bright side, it seems he has also lost his militance and found some peace though.

My uncle was like that, brilliant, but then let pot take over his life, and now he's just a waste of air. But that doesn't mean everyone who smokes will turn out like that. If a person is responsible about what they do, then what's wrong with it?

I saw this whole argument coming...You need proteins, proteins come from meat. I made my point about weed, now lay off my back.
You can get proteins out of other foodstuffs too btw.

Just outside of St. Louis. 30 bucks for a half ounce or so.

Hey! I was just in your area yesterday. Lovely neighborhood.

As a question to other Americans (in different parts of the country) is this standard?

Not even close.

OD? On marijuana?
It is possible, but only if you smoke a joint as long as a telephone call.

It is possible, but only if you smoke a joint as long as a telephone call.

I think you'd suffocate before you ODed.

I did back in high school. I never saw much problems with it, and still don't. I think it should be decriminalized to the extent of alcohol, ie, if you do something stupid high, yeah go to jail for a long time, else if you're responsible, no worries. There's been no proof that I will accept that shows marijuana to be detrimental to a person's health, overall, but I don't accept the other studies and such either, everyone has something to gain from them, so none are unbiased.

I don't smoke anymore simply because I have better things to do with my time.



My uncle was like that, brilliant, but then let pot take over his life, and now he's just a waste of air. But that doesn't mean everyone who smokes will turn out like that. If a person is responsible about what they do, then what's wrong with it?

True, it seems with every more powerful drug there are people whom "blow their minds" and let ti take over their lives while others can resist and only do them in moderation.

I think you'd suffocate before you ODed.
I wonder if you could even draw on a joint that big :confused:

You can get proteins out of other foodstuffs too btw.
But you at least get some nutritional value from meat. From pot you get none. Even having a little bit of alcohol can be good for you.

Hey! I was just in your area yesterday. Lovely neighborhood.

Whereabouts, exactly?

I use it for medical purposes and use a vaporizer. Same as the lady that is in the current supreme court case.

No, because it makes you do stupid things. It's worse for you than tobacco and it smells terrible. Look at most people who smoked pot when they were younger. They all turned out to be losers. My friends dad, for example, lives in the ghetto and can't keep a job. My mom's friends with whom she went to school who did pot are dead or have lost their licenses and have nowhere to go for a good-paying job. Not to mention how often marijuana use leads to use of other drugs.

As a question to other Americans (in different parts of the country) is this standard?

have seen "z" for 50ish in the DFW area

I've smoked weed a few times recently, but I did a lot in HS. I stopped pretty much once I graduated, and concentrated on school (since med school is plenty demanding) but now that I've kind of settled into things I don't have near as much of a problem with it.

And I'm up in KC Haloman, just over 3 hours away from ya, haha.

Also....I've never paid for weed in my life so I don't know if thats standard or not, sometimes it pays to be a girl, heh :)

But you at least get some nutritional value from meat. From pot you get none. Even having a little bit of alcohol can be good for you.
Well rather then my (and your [I assume]) time on labouring the point on meat. One could make the arguement that a little bit of pot now and then stops you taking life too seriously.

I'm straightedge

I wonder if you could even draw on a joint that big :confused:

I doubt it, but it's worth a shot.

No, because it makes you do stupid things. It's worse for you than tobacco and it smells terrible. Look at most people who smoked pot when they were younger. They all turned out to be losers. My friends dad, for example, lives in the ghetto and can't keep a job. My mom's friends with whom she went to school who did pot are dead or have lost their licenses and have nowhere to go for a good-paying job. Not to mention how often marijuana use leads to use of other drugs.
Yay anecdotal evidence. :)

I've smoked weed a few times recently, but I did a lot in HS. I stopped pretty much once I graduated, and concentrated on school (since med school is plenty demanding) but now that I've kind of settled into things I don't have near as much of a problem with it.

And I'm up in KC Haloman, just over 3 hours away from ya, haha.

Also....I've never paid for weed in my life so I don't know if thats standard or not, sometimes it pays to be a girl, heh :)

We've got a Wrestling tournament in Raytown in less than 2 weeks.

Yay anecdotal evidence. :)

And outright lies. Tobacco is worse for you. By far.

have seen "z" for 50ish in the DFW area
What does that mean (sorry, I'm British)

I doubt it, but it's worth a shot.
But imagine if someone baptises it :eek:

no i havent tried it, mainly because im straight edge and see no gain from any kinds of drugs. although my stance on it is its a hell of a lot better for you than smoking cigarettes and drinking. all you people may have your statistic like "IT CONTAINS 4 TIMES THE TAR". maybe this is so, but in the time you would smoke a joint you would have smoked about a pack of cigarettes. basically here anyone who is preaching about how bad weed is, if you drink or smoke cigarettes you dont deserve to be arguing.

Whereabouts, exactly?

Near the football stadium. The Drury Hotel (?). I went to MEPS to enlist.

What does that mean (sorry, I'm British)


"z" = ounce

Well rather then my (and your [I assume]) time on labouring the point on meat. One could make the arguement that a little bit of pot now and then stops you taking life too seriously.
I have no problem with people smoking pot to relax. That is why I drink beer. I just refuse to smoke because my friends became losers who dropped out of school. Each of them were bright lads, too. One was an awesome drummer. The other was a math whiz. Alas.

And outright lies. Tobacco is worse for you. By far.
how so? unlike ciggarretes joints dont have filters and smoke is still smoke.

And outright lies. Tobacco is worse for you. By far.
I'll find you a link if you'll give me one.

how so? unlike ciggarretes joints dont have filters and smoke is still smoke.

Yeah, I should rephrase that. Cigarettes are worse than joints, not tobacco is worse than marijuana. Marijuana has more cancer causing agents than tobacco, but with all the additives that cigarettes contain, cigarettes are much worse for you.

no, that stuff stinks and the smell of stale dope smoke on clothing and hair is nauseating
Agreed. Its worse than Cigs stink.

Do people not smell it after using it?
I swear in my high school history class, a couple years ago there was this one kid who asked me if I could smell the bag he had in class. He couldn't tell...what?

I hung out once with a freind that did that. I didn't do it, but I wonder if I got second hand effects by being in room?

But it does seem to take away drive of those people.

THC last longer in your brain/body than other drugs. Cigs don't last that long. This is why you feel withdrawal effects.

Personally I'd ban Alcohol, Cigs, and keep Weed banned.

Caffeine isn't as dangerous on average and last less long.

Don't smoke, don't do drugs, don't drink, don't drink coffee, support people who want to do the first three, and the fourth has never been an issue :p

Why don't I do any of those three (coffee = no longer mentioned)? Because personally I prefer to rely on my own imagination than use substances to make up for that, don't like the idea of taking something to change my mood, and I'd rather not risk my health on any of the three.

But so long as you don't involve me in the consequences of your actions (passive smoke, odours, drunkeness for example), feel free to go right ahead :)

We've got a Wrestling tournament in Raytown in less than 2 weeks.

What weight? My youngest brother wrestles.

"z" = ounce
Ahh thanks.

(So obvious aswell, oz = z ?)

I'll find you a link if you'll give me one.
M Stoppard, Drugs Info File, (1999)

i haven't for about a year.

i think i'm going to see if my sis will get stoned with me when i go home for break. my bf doesn't want any part of that anymore 'cause he doesn't want to get into old habits. my one stoner friend is in england on an exchange.

i enjoy pot more than alcohol. being high is definitely more interesting than being drunk.

Nope. Don't want to. For those who might ask, I don't drink alcohol, smoke, or drink coffee either.
I enjoyed watching Reefer Madness, however. Very entertaining.

A few years ago i was seriously injured on the job (no not because of pot) any way i now have to take lots of meds but my dr agreed that if me smoking a little weed helped me reduce my pain med intake that was a better idea cause of how hard pain meds are one 1's body over long periods of time.

I hung out once with a freind that did that. I didn't do it, but I wonder if I got second hand effects by being in room?

if the windows and door were closed you might get a little high. it's called hotboxing. it doesn't always work though, especially if it's a bigger room. also, if it was your first (and only?) time exposed to marijuana smoke, you might not get high even if you were to smoke it and do so properly.

it's funny how it works...

THC last longer in your brain/body than other drugs. Cigs don't last that long. This is why you feel withdrawal effects.

Personally I'd ban Alcohol, Cigs, and keep Weed banned.

Caffeine isn't as dangerous on average and last less long.

caffiene is worse for you than pot. as is asprin.

and thc doesn't really stay in your system that long...

No, because it makes you do stupid things. It's worse for you than tobacco and it smells terrible. Look at most people who smoked pot when they were younger. They all turned out to be losers. My friends dad, for example, lives in the ghetto and can't keep a job. My mom's friends with whom she went to school who did pot are dead or have lost their licenses and have nowhere to go for a good-paying job. Not to mention how often marijuana use leads to use of other drugs.
almost EVERYONE under 50 has smoked marajuana at least once.

the vast majority have no ill effects. the rest are just looking for a way to fuck up their lives and dope is easiest.

and to repeat, NO i havent smoked it myself.

I hung out once with a freind that did that. I didn't do it, but I wonder if I got second hand effects by being in room?

if the windows and door were closed you might get a little high. it's called hotboxing. it doesn't always work though, especially if it's a bigger room. also, if it was your first (and only?) time exposed to marijuana smoke, you might not get high even if you were to smoke it and do so properly.

it's funny how it works...

THC last longer in your brain/body than other drugs. Cigs don't last that long. This is why you feel withdrawal effects.

Personally I'd ban Alcohol, Cigs, and keep Weed banned.

Caffeine isn't as dangerous on average and last less long.

caffiene is worse for you than pot. as is asprin.

and thc doesn't really stay in your system that long...

also, banning drugs is stupid. let adults deceide for themselves what goes in their bodies.

if the windows and door were closed you might get a little high. it's called hotboxing. it doesn't always work though, especially if it's a bigger room. also, if it was your first (and only?) time exposed to marijuana smoke, you might not get high even if you were to smoke it and do so properly.

it's funny how it works...



caffiene is worse for you than pot. as is asprin.

and thc doesn't really stay in your system that long...

THC does stay in your body more than drugs like cocaine or heroin, however. But the effects are far less severe.

I am split on the issue whether weed should be legalized. Agaisnt: If weed is legalized it will increase the number of burn outs and trafficers would probably resort to selling stronger drugs. For: Stop drug trafficing(at least for weed), with it legal it can regulated and taxed. Preferable those tax dollars could go to rehab centers Also, the more burn out there are, the better chance i have in the work place :D

Yeah, I should rephrase that. Cigarettes are worse than joints, not tobacco is worse than marijuana. Marijuana has more cancer causing agents than tobacco, but with all the additives that cigarettes contain, cigarettes are much worse for you.Some cigarettes contain no additives, or so they claim anyway. I seriously doubt that smoking pot is generally worse for your health than smoking tobacco. 1:1 comparisons are pointless. Lot's of people smoke 2 packs of cigarettes a day, but nobody smokes 40 joints a day.

i enjoy pot more than alcohol. being high is definitely more interesting than being drunk.
I've been drunk a couple times.. not too enjoyable, so I don't drink now. Also, it seems my body doesn't want to tolerate alcohol.... translation: I throw up before I drink enough to get intoxicated. It's bizarre and painful.

Some cigarettes contain no additives, or so they claim anyway. I seriously doubt that smoking pot is generally worse for your health than smoking tobacco. 1:1 comparisons are pointless. Lot's of people smoke 2 packs of cigarettes a day, but nobody smokes 40 joints a day.

Yeah, those all natural cigarettes are alright. Natural Spirits are the brand I've smoked. I also smoke a tobacco pipe regularly.

1:1 comparissons are pointless; you're right. But the assertion that on a 1:1 scale marijuana will give you a greater risk of getting cancer is correct.

no i havent tried it, mainly because im straight edge and see no gain from any kinds of drugs. although my stance on it is its a hell of a lot better for you than smoking cigarettes and drinking. all you people may have your statistic like "IT CONTAINS 4 TIMES THE TAR". maybe this is so, but in the time you would smoke a joint you would have smoked about a pack of cigarettes. basically here anyone who is preaching about how bad weed is, if you drink or smoke cigarettes you dont deserve to be arguing.
it's equivalent to 5 cigarettes.

not that most people smoke entire joints to themselves.

and it's because usually joints are unfiltered. you can make filters for them though.

and also: haven't you seen that commercial with teh cigarettes with the holes in the filters that usually get covered up by fingers and lips... that make it seem as though there are fewer chemicals in cigs?

the thing is that weed generally doesn't have a lot of shit added into it.

but yeah, if you don't want to do any drugs or anything, then go ahead. you don't seem to be telling everyone not to do it so i've got no beef with you.

I am split on the issue whether weed should be legalized. Agaisnt: If weed is legalized it will increase the number of burn outs and trafficers would probably resort to selling stronger drugs. Why do you believe this?

beofore i start i will apologise for the spelling, ive been typing scince 10AM and its now 3 AM and my fingers dont want to work


well as for the phone pole joint i did make a 4 foot 3 inch diameter one out of a 9 bar and a whole shit load of skins and baccy with sme friends. it wasnt smokeable in the traditional scence, as you cant dra through it. instead we laid it in tin foil an the table with a hairdryer on the burning end to keep it going and just used it as a giant joss stick

as for pricing i can get a 9 bar (9 ounces) for about £40 but thats me knowing people.


as a smoker of weed i see no problem with it as i have never let it rule my life. infact scince i STARTED smoking at the age of 19 my life has actualy improved. case point. i left chool with only 4 gcse's (possibly equivilent to highschool US but i dont realy know) basicaly it nothinmg as many people leve with 10. after smoking weed, working etc i got my arse into gear (still smoking mind you) and i am now studying at mechanical engineering at university.

the reasons i smoke are varied

the main thing is as a social thing. im not a big drinker and i dont touch spirits or cider. this is a way fro myself and my friends to relax without being forced to share space with people drinking and getting violent. oh and HOW many stoners do you see beating the crap ot of each other on a friday night outside of clubs????????

a second majour benofit is that it is a pain reliver. without it i would live in agony or be doped out of my skull on opieates (medicianaly prescribed)

also i find it an excelent way of reducing my aggression (which unfortunatly i have in abundance and keep to myself at all times.) on the rare occasions i get drunk (see drunk as in several pints of beer not an occasional beer or 2 when out) i almost always leave the club very early as i know what i get like and if i am confronted i find it extremly hard to controll myself when drunk.

the only problem i can see with weed is people using it then driving etc which is to me stupid.

Why do you believe this?
Assumtion i guess, although if can give me links saying otherwise perhaps i may change my views. traffericers would still need to make money right?

I have never, and never will smoke weed, or do any sorta drug, I had two friends go to the hospital in critical from overdoses.

that's physically impossible.

the ratio between effects and overdose is different for every drug. for instance for alcohol, it's 1:9. therefore, if you're drunk after 3 beers, 27 will kill you.

the ratio for pot is 1:400,000.

there's no fucking way you can smoke enough pot to overdose. or eat it for that matter.

the only way to "overdose on pot" is if it's laced with something.

and yes, i have looked it up on medical sites. hell, i found one where a doctor was on about how you shouldn't smoke pot but he admitted that it physically can't kill you.

I'm Wasted right now! ... /me sings "nobody I know in South Central L.A. got shot, today was a good day" /o/ |o| /o/

Assumtion i guess, although if can give me links saying otherwise perhaps i may change my views. traffericers would still need to make money right?

If it were legal you wouldn't have traffickers as commercial enterprise would take up marijuana sales just like cigarettes.

that's physically impossible.

the ratio between effects and overdose is different for every drug. for instance for alcohol, it's 1:9. therefore, if you're drunk after 3 beers, 27 will kill you.

the ratio for pot is 1:400,000.

there's no fucking way you can smoke enough pot to overdose. or eat it for that matter.

the only way to "overdose on pot" is if it's laced with something.

and yes, i have looked it up on medical sites. hell, i found one where a doctor was on about how you shouldn't smoke pot but he admitted that it physically can't kill you.

Well, as Conceptualists and I were discussing, it is technically possible, but you'd most likely die from oxygen deprivation first.

I saw this whole argument coming...You need proteins, proteins come from meat. I made my point about weed, now lay off my back.
proteins also come from plants. half the dry mass of all living things is protein.

very few dealers make much mony from weed (at least in the uk) ther emoney comes from chemical pills for the rave/ dance scene so cutting of there weed suply would not make it much more financialy =harder. most pure weed sellers do it to make a few quid at the end of the week to enjouy there vices.

If your a cop, you have to tell me.

Have you ever smoked weed?

Yeah, 5 minutes ago.

Why or why not?

Because I enjoy running over little girls on pink bikes while leaving the drive-thru, on my way back to the party where I plan to force myself on some stoned chick while by baby sister falls in the pool.

No, because it makes you do stupid things. It's worse for you than tobacco and it smells terrible. Look at most people who smoked pot when they were younger. They all turned out to be losers. My friends dad, for example, lives in the ghetto and can't keep a job. My mom's friends with whom she went to school who did pot are dead or have lost their licenses and have nowhere to go for a good-paying job. Not to mention how often marijuana use leads to use of other drugs.

I've seen drunks do things way more foolish and dangerous than stoners, but enough anecdotal evidence. OK, so a lot of people who smoke pot turn out to be losers. Funny that a lot of people in general turn out to be losers. I've heard the whole "pot makes you lazy" argument too. I imagine that the head of Progressive Auto Insurance would disagree, a man who openly smokes and supports the legalization movement. Some people can't handle marijuana use just as some people can't handle alcohol. About that whole, pot users go on to "harder" drugs, while this is an alarming trend in kids who smoke pot before the age of 15, a whopping 1% of all pot smokers go on to use cocaine and heroin, higher than the average, but hey, pot is a fairly common drug, while "harder" drugs are not, and that relationship is a statistical commonplace. Pot seems to be an terminus drug way more often than a "gateway"

And yes, I smoke pot, I love smoking pot, and I'd like to say one more thing: prohibition helps drug dealers

ok, lets do a little experiment: how much does a gram of pot cost in Amsterdam?

now how much does a gram cost near you?

notice a difference?

besides, it grows naturally in many climates, much to the chagrin of the DEA and U.S. Park Service

also: about purity and concentration in drugs. prohibition actually increases the levels of a narcotic substance in a drug. while people in opium producing areas smoke raw opium, it makes more sense for a transporter to increase the levels of the intoxicating substance within a drug when they have to smuggle it illegally.

Also, the most recent thing I heard on the amount of pot it would take to kill a man in one sitting: 900 joints worth. I don't know anyone who could put that much THC in his or herself without getting bored/passing out/going to 7-11/giggling uncontrollably

Yeah, 5 minutes ago.



Because I enjoy running over little girls on pink bikes while leaving the drive-thru, on my way back to the party where I plan to force myself on some stoned chick while by baby sister falls in the pool.

Those commercials are so ridiculous. No stoner ever drives more than 15 mph, much less as fast as those kids in those stupid commercials.

Well, as Conceptualists and I were discussing, it is technically possible, but you'd most likely die from oxygen deprivation first.
you're much more likely to raid the fridge and take a nap and forget to smoke the rest of your stash.

edit: oh, maybe stare at the wall for a couple hours before the nap.

you're much more likely to raid the fridge and take a nap and forget to smoke the rest of your stash.

HA!

If it were legal you wouldn't have traffickers as commercial enterprise would take up marijuana sales just like cigarettes.
Although, The United States practices protectionist policies when it comes to agraculture, so if tobbaco farmers in the south(who very efficient and corperate run too) began to grow weed as well, the foreign farmers would be hard pressed to compete with them just as they are in the rest of the agracultural sector.

Although, The United States practices protectionist policies when it comes to agraculture, so if tobbaco farmers in the south(who very efficient and corperate run too) began to grow weed as well, the foreign farmers would be hard pressed to compete with them just as they are in the rest of the agracultural sector.

Perhaps, but the point is that you wouldn't have guys on the street selling weed laced with shit because you'd have capitalism crushing them like it should. A big, efficient corporation would be able to put out a clean, cheap product much more easily than some dude growing it in his basement.

Perhaps, but the point is that you wouldn't have guys on the street selling weed laced with shit because you'd have capitalism crushing them like it should. A big, efficient corporation would be able to put out a clean, cheap product much more easily than some dude growing it in his basement.
very true! Hurray Capitolism!

All potheads are asses and deserve to die.

All potheads are asses and deserve to die.

Why thank you!

Everybody should smoke weed. Atleast once. It's a goddamn hypocracy that stuff like cigs and beer is legal. Cigs cause cancer. Makes you weak and then Kills you. Beer kills brain cells, makes you slow, dumb and docile. BECAUSE THATS HOW THE STATE WANTS YOU, ON YOUR KNEES WITH ALL THE OTHER PEONS! .... *Continues his paranoid dillusional rant*

Sure. Once a week usually... I like the flavour.

Those commercials are so ridiculous. No stoner ever drives more than 15 mph, much less as fast as those kids in those stupid commercials.


LMAO
I know thats right

Smoked a few times. There's a time and place for everything...and that's college. :)

You know what the problem is? The government's view on drugs. They try to make us fear, but theres always that curiousity, even though 24/7 their telling you it'll make you eat your baby child alive. So you try it, and you realize that these cold hearted bastards are depriving you of a brilliant experience, for what? Because they dont want you to question them at all man. These fuckers, puritans! If they cant have fun, nobody has fun!

Teen Gives Up Smoking Pot After Seeing Parents High

DEDHAM, MA—Elyssa Schuster, 16, swore Monday that she will never again experiment with marijuana after coming home to "obviously baked" parents Harold and Judy Saturday night. "I used to think smoking pot made you look cool, but, boy, was I wrong," Schuster said. "Dad got all paranoid about the mortgage rate while Mom spent an hour giggling about how dusty the ceiling fan was. It was so sad and depressing." Schuster said she was thankful to be scared straight before she made a fool of herself again.

All potheads are asses and deserve to die.
We all deserve to die ;)

Those commercials are so ridiculous. No stoner ever drives more than 15 mph, much less as fast as those kids in those stupid commercials.

Heh, the commercials are laughable...then I realize that they're both serious and reaching the uninformed with that propaganda. Then I start yelling at the screen.

Heh, the commercials are laughable...then I realize that they're both serious and reaching the uninformed with that propaganda. Then I start yelling at the screen.

Like I've already said, the best anti-marijuana ad ever would just be a bunch of stoners sitting around toking up on some harsh stuff and hacking out their lungs.

All potheads are asses and deserve to die.

Personally, I don't see the moral dilemma in smoking pot. If they want to it's their own choice.

Plus, pot heads tend to be hotter than normal people (shaggy hair and band shirts)

I've never done it, I've seen it, been offered it (along with loads of other crap), and sniffed it once (though it gave me a headache right away, strong Amsterdam stuff), and I know I will try it at one point in my life.

The only reason why would be to "see music" as my dad described him getting high in his good ole days. And I want to see what George Harrison was talking about!

All potheads are asses and deserve to die.

Kinda like forum n00bs who jump into a thread to make their first post some intellectually vacant flame, huh?

All potheads are asses and deserve to die.
that's funny. i have yet to meet a pothead who isn't a really mellow peaceful person for the most part.

Like I've already said, the best anti-marijuana ad ever would just be a bunch of stoners sitting around toking up on some harsh stuff and hacking out their lungs.

True, but were marihuana legalized, that would make a damn funny public-service announcement. You get that scene, then white Arial text on a black screen: "Schwag - don't let it happen to you."

that's funny. i have yet to meet a pothead who isn't a really mellow peaceful person for the most part.

I'm an angry, vengeful bastard.

All potheads are asses and deserve to die.
Stupid religious zealots.

I am split on the issue whether weed should be legalized. Agaisnt: If weed is legalized it will increase the number of burn outs and trafficers would probably resort to selling stronger drugs. For: Stop drug trafficing(at least for weed), with it legal it can regulated and taxed. Preferable those tax dollars could go to rehab centers Also, the more burn out there are, the better chance i have in the work place :D
And the more taxes you pay to support the bums who are out smoking rather than working.

that's funny. i have yet to meet a pothead who isn't a really mellow peaceful person for the most part.

Seriously, have you ever tried to get really pissed off about something while high?
Not easy.
Even when you break your glass its kind of a "Goddamn it, oh well, back to papers for me sort of thing."

And the more taxes you pay to support the bums who are out smoking rather than working.

Not true, because the inordinate amount of taxes the government could get off of the legal sale of marijuana would more than cover that.

"Stupid hobo, all he'll spend his money on is drugs." *inhale* "ahhh"

I'm an angry, vengeful bastard.

I'm a cynical, argumentative MacGuyver-type who enjoys berating people for my own amusement. Meh, oh well.

Seriously, have you ever tried to get really pissed off about something while high?
Not easy.
Even when you break your glass its kind of a "Goddamn it, oh well, back to papers for me sort of thing."

One time I sucked up a piece of flaming ash from my piece and it got stuck to my lip and burned me. I was pretty pissed off then, even while being high.

Tried smoking it and eating it. It hits me stronger than the hard drugs but makes me nauseous and itchy. I'm allergic. Life is unfair. :(

Oh yeah. I consider it a professional requirement.

There was some stuff I was going to respond to, but damn this is a long thread and I'm stoned...:D

$50 zips? Man, move up to premium grade-be kind to your lungs. Only kids and dads smoke swag. Maybe I'm spoiled being in Santa Cruz....

Ancedotal wars: Carl Sagan smoked pot. What an idiot, huh? Complete waste-oid...

Gateway drug-maybe if we didn't tell kids that their hands will fall of and they'll think thier monkeys when they smoke. Maybe we should be honest about the effects so when they smoke and thier hands remain on and remain lucid the antoi-drug efforts of more serious drugs won't loose thier credibility.

So, how many people were inspired by this thread to get baked?

Besides me.:)

And the more taxes you pay to support the bums who are out smoking rather than working.
Tax would probably come out of revenue from cannabis. Since you won't smoke, why worry?

Nevermind the fact that you may be putting the horse before the cart in assuming that they would become tramps after smoking weed, then smoking weed because they have nothing better to do.

Or that tax money already goes to bums who smoking rather then working.

Aswell as ignoring your assumption that weed turns you into an unmotivated layabout

Seriously, have you ever tried to get really pissed off about something while high?
Not easy.

For me it is...I'm a ranter. Get me started, and you may well get fire and brimstone.

Not true, because the inordinate amount of taxes the government could get off of the legal sale of marijuana would more than cover that.
not to mention that pot isn't really addictive and recreational use would still allow a person to be productive during a 9-5 job.

So, how many people were inspired by this thread to get baked?

Besides me.:)
I was, but it is 3:30 here and I don't feel like wondering the city of Liverpool just to get high :)

Seriously, have you ever tried to get really pissed off about something while high?
Not easy.
Even when you break your glass its kind of a "Goddamn it, oh well, back to papers for me sort of thing."
i'm usually more interested in an odd reflection/way of looking at the world (try getting high, going on swings and looking upside down by tilting back... it's really weird to watch the world go up and down upside down) or being amused with the odd floaty sensation or something.

when i'm drunk i'll rant though.

A sad and tragic tale.
Twice I tried smoking pot.
I didn't get high. Didn't get munchie. No giggles (more than usual). Nearly got lynch by housemates (quite stoned) by showing them a deck of cards with optical illusions.
(ok, I was entertained by the stoned people. . .)
A week later- I had the most GODAWFUL sinus infection. Where's the justice in the universe??!!!
Never smoking it again.
But someday, when I don't have to take friggin' drug tests for employment, I am making me a damn SPICY bunch of brownies!

not to mention that pot isn't really addictive and recreational use would still allow a person to be productive during a 9-5 job.

And they may chill the f-ck out, as well. As tigtly wound as the world is today, I have little doubt that it'd do some people a lot of good.

So, how many people were inspired by this thread to get baked?

Besides me.:)
*shifty eyes. raises hand*

i'm usually more interested in an odd reflection/way of looking at the world (try getting high, going on swings and looking upside down by tilting back... it's really weird to watch the world go up and down upside down) or being amused with the odd floaty sensation or something.

when i'm drunk i'll rant though.

I just end up saying the most ridiculous things ever. And they usually have homosexual undertones, for some reason.

not to mention that pot isn't really addictive and recreational use would still allow a person to be productive during a 9-5 job.
Shh, I'm planning on this to allow me an easy ride :)

A sad and tragic tale.
Twice I tried smoking pot.
I didn't get high. Didn't get munchie. No giggles (more than usual). Nearly got lynch by housemates (quite stoned) by showing them a deck of cards with optical illusions.
(ok, I was entertained by the stoned people. . .)
A week later- I had the most GODAWFUL sinus infection. Where's the justice in the universe??!!!
Never smoking it again.
But someday, when I don't have to take friggin' drug tests for employment, I am making me a damn SPICY bunch of brownies!
chances are that the weed was either shitty or you werent' inhaling properly.

and also: drug tests are stupid, they got false positives for poppy seeds and antihistimines for fuck's sake.

One time I sucked up a piece of flaming ash from my piece and it got stuck to my lip and burned me. I was pretty pissed off then, even while being high.

True the burning ash can be a son of a she-male goat, but in the end, that's what bongs and bubblers are for.


For me it is...I'm a ranter. Get me started, and you may well get fire and brimstone.

I love fire and brimstone stoners, they're quite useful when you don't have your trusty Bic

but, yeah, point taken you guys

Yeah, 5 minutes ago.



Because I enjoy running over little girls on pink bikes while leaving the drive-thru, on my way back to the party where I plan to force myself on some stoned chick while by baby sister falls in the pool.
hehehehhehe

Those ads teach us a lot-Don't smoke and drive (I don't), don't keep a loaded pistol in an unlocked drawer when you have kids in the house, if you have a pool and a todler for gods sake build a fence, etc.

And the date rap thing-sweet crap-has no one ever heard the phrase "Dude you're f'n up my high?" Someone getting agro f's up my high-someone touching funny would defenetly f'up my high. Someone touching someone else funny while I'm sittin' there would f'up my high. This line of thought is f'ing up my high.....

WOOOOOOOOOOOOO AMSTERDAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :p

And the more taxes you pay to support the bums who are out smoking rather than working.
Do you think that might cost more or less than the cost of enforcing the prohibition? Better or worse than having to dedicate law enforcement funds and man power to something that's only violence comes from its legality?

hehehehhehe

Those ads teach us a lot-Don't smoke and drive (I don't), don't keep a loaded pistol in an unlocked drawer when you have kids in the house, if you have a pool and a todler for gods sake build a fence, etc.

And the date rap thing-sweet crap-has no one ever heard the phrase "Dude you're f'n up my high?" Someone getting agro f's up my high-someone touching funny would defenetly f'up my high. Someone touching someone else funny while I'm sittin' there would f'up my high. This line of thought is f'ing up my high.....

Yeah, it's all crap...usually anyone in the room with me when I see one reminds me to stop, breathe, and stop putting into the ads more thought than the average person would between segments of "Survivor."

Weed is my high of choice... I'm not much of a drinker, so I think its a reasonable alternative. I actually just finished an essay about Canadian drug laws, and the decriminalization of marijuana. Goodtimes.

PS: movies are SO much better stoned.

Weed is my high of choice... I'm not much of a drinker, so I think its a reasonable alternative. I actually just finished an essay about Canadian drug laws, and the decriminalization of marijuana. Goodtimes.

PS: movies are SO much better stoned.

Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas.

Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas.
That movie makes me feel stoned/drunk when I am sober.

Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas.
Ohhhh such a good movie.
Also
1) Requium for a dream
2) Dazed and Confused
3) Waking life
Trippiest movies... haha

That movie makes me feel stoned/drunk when I am sober.

I find it incredibly hard to follow when I'm sober, but when I'm high/drunk, it all makes perfect sense to me, somehow.

1) Requium for a dream

Doesn't that go against the point of the movie?

Doesn't that go against the point of the movie?
Kinda.

Yeah, it's all crap...usually anyone in the room with me when I see one reminds me to stop, breathe, and stop putting into the ads more thought than the average person would between segments of "Survivor."

I honestly think that there is a disconnect somewhere with the people that commission those ads and the people who make them-at some point they have to employ a closeted stoner who just makes little films for us to enjoy baked. I mean, come on-who's really enteratianed by the idea that an egg frying in a pan? (Incedently, my friend's theory is that since when he says "This is drugs" he's pointing to butter frying in the pan he's really telling us that drugs keep your brain from sticking to the pan....)

Doesn't that go against the point of the movie?
well, in the movie it was all hard drugs.

pot's not a hard drug.

also: half baked.

which i really feel like watching now...

Baked Potatoes (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0385478372/qid=1102478202/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-3619910-0459032?v=glance&s=books) is a book guide to stoney movies, though I don't agree with many of its assessments.

For me, movies like Lawernce of Arabia or Triplets of Belleville are pretty damn stoney. Or shrummy....mmmm shrummy.........

Let's get a list going of politicians who have smoked weed:

John Kerry
John Edwards
Howard Dean
Bill Clinton
Al Gore
George W. Bush
Newt Gingrich
Clarence Thomas
Barack Obama
Arnold Swarzenegger
George Pataki
Michael Bloomberg


That was from some quick googling. Any known others?

well, in the movie it was all hard drugs.

pot's not a hard drug.

also: half baked.

which i really feel like watching now...
Yes, but it shows how drugs can ruin the life of you and your family.

no smoking weed will give u the idea that you can do something like this :headbang: a lot of times and not get hurt.

Add John F. Kennedy to the list.

I'm guessing Jimmy Carter too, but I'll give him benefit of the doubt.

Hey man...I been smokin' since before you was born, man...

Don't like the smoke, get outta the house. I'm lightin' up right now, pilgrim. Here's to freedom and personal responsibility...

Aiiiieee yeahhhh, hang on a mo

phhhhhhhhhhhht this is good stuff too

and repeat...

ahhhhh. Fuckin' uptight boojwah motherfuckers need to chill out and see what it's all about before casting aspersions on other people's behaviour.

Screw the swill sanctified by society, get with the DEMON WEED...

mwuhahahahahaha...

Yes, frequently, because it's fun and you can have the most hysterical conversations while stoned. My friends and I are all writing a Stoner's Guide to the Universe full of absurd conversations, one-liners, and stories while stoned.


LOL, same here!

Anyhow, yeah, I've been known to take a toke of the smokage here and there ;)

I'm not harming anyone except myself by doing so. No one but me has a say what I do with my body.

Yes, but it shows how drugs can ruin the life of you and your family.
I always say it as about the the dangers of obsession.

TO me it the drugs weren't the primary cause for the characters slide into oblivion obsession was. Sara was obsessed with with being on TV and fitting into her red dress, she thought it make her son proud of her as well as making her popular in her community (she got the chair of choice, and was somebody). For Harry, Marion and Tyrone it was making it big (on paper it looked so easy). The drugs were the vectors, but the not primary cause of the slides.

Although I suppose in Marions case it was the only reason, she didn't seem too involved in Harry's and Tyrone's masterplan to get rich quick.

The music for the film is fantastic, same with the other great Darren Aronofsky film (Pi).

also: half baked.

which i really feel like watching now...

That's my favorite movie to get high with. In fact, I watched it while puffing tonight before dinner. I was...fasting...for a while, and I felt that a fitting way to break that fast. Anyway, I think "Half-baked" is a Cheech-and-Chong movie for this generation...

There's an important distinction to be drawn here, between smoking weed and overdoing it. It's always going to be an arbitrary distinction, obviously, but it's entirely possible to smoke marijuana without incurring any damage.

I personally have smoked a lot of the stuff over the years and there was a time when it was a problem, as I was smoking to escape what was going on elsewhere in my life. I was also drinking heavily, which is equally destructive (possibly more so; I'm not sure). As a consequence, I can't deny that if you smoke too much of it, it DOES affect you. As demonstrated by some of the examples given by other people in this thread, it can kill all drive and blunt the sharpest of minds.

Having said this, I would not advise anyone AGAINST smoking weed. What I would say, though, is to keep it under control. Like any psychoactive substance (including things as commonplace as caffeine), the trouble starts when the substance begins to control the user.

Peace,

Ook.

Yes. It's what Holland is famous for and I'm not gonna be the one that breaks that tradition

Not I...

I just wouldn't enjoy not being in total control over myself... So being high doesn't appeal to me...

The same things that make it so appealing to those that enjoy it are the same things that I don't think I'd like... I guess I can't say that from experience, but that's not something I think is worth finding out first hand...

Heck, I've only ever been drunk twice in my life... I don't like that, either...

And after that, all of the other arguments come into play: it's unhealthy, it's illegal, etc... None of those aspects appeal to me, either...

Tried it a dozen times perhaps, to join friends. But I hate it, for some reason it made me feel very depressed each time (except once, I got paranoid). I don't know how you people manage to find it stinks, though: it smells a hundred times better than tobacco.

Have you ever smoked weed? Why or why not?
now this is my kind of thread man.
yes i have (practically every night...and most days if i could :D ); it helps me relax, its socialble, i enjoy it like hell, and its just great. it's changed my outlook on life and helps me deal with major depression (no damn zombifying prozac or whatever for me!)

My friends and I are all writing a Stoner's Guide to the Universe full of absurd conversations, one-liners, and stories while stoned.
man i want to read that ;)
we've had similar ideas here - especially writing reviews of tv shows like futurama and family guy while blunted :)

Yes, frequently, because it's fun and you can have the most hysterical conversations while stoned. My friends and I are all writing a Stoner's Guide to the Universe full of absurd conversations, one-liners, and stories while stoned.
Where can we post additions?

Where can we post additions?

TG them to me.

And they may chill the f-ck out, as well. As tigtly wound as the world is today, I have little doubt that it'd do some people a lot of good.
yeah man.... weed would so calm a lot of people down, let em think about the priorities in their life.
the world on weed would be a most serene and cool place - everyone should toke it for like a week or something and the world would be a better place :) (imho)

As much as I can and as often as I can.

Which, to my bitter disappointment, is not very much or very often. There is a serious disadvantage when your best friend also happens to be your dealer; it feels impolite to be buying off anyone else, but when they're away... :mad: arrg!

But on a lighter note - one week of hard smoking (got through half an oz in two days, more proceeded after) totally cured me of all teen angst and depression, meaning that my quality of life has bounced upwards enormously to the surprise of my family and friends. They don't know why of course ;) .

Top tip: Smoking a joint when tripping out on shrooms gives you the most freaky and terrifying trip - at least it would have been if I hadn't been so high. That was one hell of a night. :D

Yes, of course I have. I'm Canadian. :rolleyes:

No... because... I'm not stupid.

do you listen to music???
do you like any great painters/inventors/etc???

most of those boys and girls were on weed and then some

Having grown up in the 60s, of course I have. Twice. Both times I ended up with a sore throat that reminded me of strep throat. So, I chalked that up to an experience I didn't especially want to repeat. Kind of like the vomiting experience when I drink. augh!

But, my daughter started smoking grass when she was 10 or 11. She was still living with her natural mother at the time. I adopted her when she was 12. Unfortunately for Mary, one night while out with friends, she smoked a joint that was laced with something (never found out what). She went into seizure and didn't stop seizing. The "friends" she was with dropped her off in front of her house. It took 4 days in the hospital to get the seizures under control. She was grand mal epileptic ever after that. 7 years ago she had a seizure after stepping into the shower and turning on the hot water tap. She suffered 3rd degree burns on both feet and parts of her legs and buttocks. She lost 6 toes and part of one heel and spent over a year in a wheelchair. 4 years ago she had a seizure...a really bad one. She bumped her forehead on the floor and suffered a concussion. 5 1/2 months later she had another bad seizure. Only they couldn't get this one stopped. When they finally decided to do a CAT scan they found she had suffered a brain aneurysm at the site of the concussion. Her brain had suffered severe damage and had swollen so much it had pushed into her spinal column. At that point all blood supply had been cut off to her brain and she was dead. That is how I lost my daughter, and how Sean and Morgan lost their mom.

Still think smoking dope is a safe way to have fun? Why don't you just hit yourself between the eyes with a hammer and save some money? I hope Mary can help at least one of you see that there is a reason drugs are called dope.

Having grown up in the 60s, of course I have. Twice. Both times I ended up with a sore throat that reminded me of strep throat. So, I chalked that up to an experience I didn't especially want to repeat. Kind of like the vomiting experience when I drink. augh!

But, my daughter started smoking grass when she was 10 or 11. She was still living with her natural mother at the time. I adopted her when she was 12. Unfortunately for Mary, one night while out with friends, she smoked a joint that was laced with something (never found out what). She went into seizure and didn't stop seizing. The "friends" she was with dropped her off in front of her house. It took 4 days in the hospital to get the seizures under control. She was grand mal epileptic ever after that. 7 years ago she had a seizure after stepping into the shower and turning on the hot water tap. She suffered 3rd degree burns on both feet and parts of her legs and buttocks. She lost 6 toes and part of one heel and spent over a year in a wheelchair. 4 years ago she had a seizure...a really bad one. She bumped her forehead on the floor and suffered a concussion. 5 1/2 months later she had another bad seizure. Only they couldn't get this one stopped. When they finally decided to do a CAT scan they found she had suffered a brain aneurysm at the site of the concussion. Her brain had suffered severe damage and had swollen so much it had pushed into her spinal column. At that point all blood supply had been cut off to her brain and she was dead. That is how I lost my daughter, and how Sean and Morgan lost their mom.

Still think smoking dope is a safe way to have fun? Why don't you just hit yourself between the eyes with a hammer and save some money? I hope Mary can help at least one of you see that there is a reason drugs are called dope.

Yeah, because idiots lace marijuana with them. I mean, it wasn't the pot that did that to your daughter it was the unknown substance that the pot was laced with, and guess what, legalization leads to commercialization, which leads to quality control.

Having grown up in the 60s, of course I have. Twice. Both times I ended up with a sore throat that reminded me of strep throat. So, I chalked that up to an experience I didn't especially want to repeat. Kind of like the vomiting experience when I drink. augh!

But, my daughter started smoking grass when she was 10 or 11. She was still living with her natural mother at the time. I adopted her when she was 12. Unfortunately for Mary, one night while out with friends, she smoked a joint that was laced with something (never found out what). She went into seizure and didn't stop seizing. The "friends" she was with dropped her off in front of her house. It took 4 days in the hospital to get the seizures under control. She was grand mal epileptic ever after that. 7 years ago she had a seizure after stepping into the shower and turning on the hot water tap. She suffered 3rd degree burns on both feet and parts of her legs and buttocks. She lost 6 toes and part of one heel and spent over a year in a wheelchair. 4 years ago she had a seizure...a really bad one. She bumped her forehead on the floor and suffered a concussion. 5 1/2 months later she had another bad seizure. Only they couldn't get this one stopped. When they finally decided to do a CAT scan they found she had suffered a brain aneurysm at the site of the concussion. Her brain had suffered severe damage and had swollen so much it had pushed into her spinal column. At that point all blood supply had been cut off to her brain and she was dead. That is how I lost my daughter, and how Sean and Morgan lost their mom.

Still think smoking dope is a safe way to have fun? Why don't you just hit yourself between the eyes with a hammer and save some money? I hope Mary can help at least one of you see that there is a reason drugs are called dope.
thats awful man. my heart goes out to you on your loss, but, to be fair, thousands upon thousands of people accross the world have been smoking weed for thousands of years, and it is very rare for and bad effects - certainly anything on that scale - to occur. for my money, the joint was probably weed laced with lsd or ketamine to produce that kind of effect. This is still quite a rare thing.
I still think that smoking marijuana is a safe way to have fun. sorry.

Yeah, because idiots lace marijuana with them. I mean, it wasn't the pot that did that to your daughter it was the unknown substance that the pot was laced with, and guess what, legalization leads to commercialization, which leads to quality control.

That's the point. Pot is illegal so there is always the risk that you may get hold of some that is contaminated. I have no problem with legalizing pot...it's certainly no worse that alcohol. But, until that happens, if you didn't grow it, don't smoke it.

I have a story like Zooke's, though not as bad.

Once at a festival a guy comes up to our group and starts gives us a little chat and gives us space cake, which we took without questioning. Now some guys suspected there was LSD or something in it. I had some and had to go to school the day after so I just lay in my tent, my eyes closed, telling myself: "This is the drug, this is how it's supposed to go, get a good night of sleep and it'll all be over". That worked fine for me, even though at some point I felt like I was sleeping on the ceiling.

One of my friends got into this thought spiral. All he could do is think about death and that he didn't want to die. He got really depressed and his girlriend (who stayed clean) was scared shitless by him, muttering how he was gonna die that night. And he was that way a couple of days. He felt really bad and depressed.

So: only buy weed from people you know sell good stuff (coffeeshops in Holland), or grow it yourself.

thats awful man. my heart goes out to you on your loss, but, to be fair, thousands upon thousands of people accross the world have been smoking weed for thousands of years, and it is very rare for and bad effects - certainly anything on that scale - to occur. for my money, the joint was probably weed laced with lsd or ketamine to produce that kind of effect. This is still quite a rare thing.
I still think that smoking marijuana is a safe way to have fun. sorry.

There's a lot of history to support that. Marijauna itself is less pharmacologically active than aspirin, and no one has ever overdosed on weed.

If it's laced with something, that's a different story, and I'm very sorry to hear about your adopted daughter, Zooke.

Warum nicht?

Warum nicht?

Que?

Marijauna itself is less pharmacologically active than aspirin, and no one has ever overdosed on weed.

Oh come on - people overdose on it all the time. Overdosing on marijuana leads to induced sleep. Now a toxic amount of marijuana - that'd be much harder to peg, as people would already be asleep from overdosing...I don't know if it's possible to ingest enough marijuana to see a toxic reaction.

And I'm not trying to be smartass, JSYK.

Que?

Why not smoke it?

I believe that anyone should be able to purchase any drug they want (hell, I've done it) and use as much as they like. People who OD on something like heroin and can't pay should be left to die in the street.

If, on the off chance, that they end up unable to work as a result, or in hospital for some reason, don't expect me to pay for it.

But I'm not paying for a "war on drugs".

Oh come on - people overdose on it all the time. Overdosing on marijuana leads to induced sleep. Now a toxic amount of marijuana - that'd be much harder to peg, as people would already be asleep from overdosing...I don't know if it's possible to ingest enough marijuana to see a toxic reaction.

And I'm not trying to be smartass, JSYK.
i think they said on the radio the other day that the lethal dose of THC would require smoking *around* 30 TONNES of marijuana :D :D

....*starts rolling*......

well let's get started then.... :D

Oh come on - people overdose on it all the time. Overdosing on marijuana leads to induced sleep. Now a toxic amount of marijuana - that'd be much harder to peg, as people would already be asleep from overdosing...I don't know if it's possible to ingest enough marijuana to see a toxic reaction.

And I'm not trying to be smartass, JSYK.

Overdose generally means a toxic amount, or enough of an amount to cause injury or death.

There is no toxic amount of pot. You literally cannot kill yourself with weed. You can drink yourself to death, you can snort or shoot something that can kill you, but you cannot physically injest enough marijauna for you to die. Falling asleep isn't an overdose, any more than falling asleep after a steak dinner with trimmings and a nice cabernet.

Aspirin kills more people a year than pot has in recorded history.

Why not smoke it?

I believe that anyone should be able to purchase any drug they want (hell, I've done it) and use as much as they like. People who OD on something like heroin and can't pay should be left to die in the street.

If, on the off chance, that they end up unable to work as a result, or in hospital for some reason, don't expect me to pay for it.

But I'm not paying for a "war on drugs".
:eek: wow that is the exact opposite of my opinon! lol
people who get addicted to, and god-forbid OD on Heroin, or other hard drugs, have made a mistake. They may not be able to see past their next fix, yet alone work their way out of the situation they got themselves into, by themselves... they need help.
That's why there should be no criminal charges brought for users of hard drugs, imo, but instead a free medical detox programme to help them get back onto their feet. Sure, it'll cost a lot, but that's what taxes are for.
That said, dealing should be illegal as hell for hard drugs.
Weed: now that should be totally legal in all forms.

I personaly love the drug. you just have to find one honest dealer who you know wont fuck you up and mix it with meth or any stuff like that.

Why not smoke it?

I believe that anyone should be able to purchase any drug they want (hell, I've done it) and use as much as they like. People who OD on something like heroin and can't pay should be left to die in the street.

If, on the off chance, that they end up unable to work as a result, or in hospital for some reason, don't expect me to pay for it.

But I'm not paying for a "war on drugs".

That's a bit harsh there, Gun. At least provide for a state funeral in an unmarked mass grave. Have some sympathy!
:p

On two occaisons, I much prefer alcohol.

:eek: wow that is the exact opposite of my opinon! lol
people who get addicted to, and god-forbid OD on Heroin, or other hard drugs, have made a mistake. They may not be able to see past their next fix, yet alone work their way out of the situation they got themselves into, by themselves... they need help.
That's why there should be no criminal charges brought for users of hard drugs, imo, but instead a free medical detox programme to help them get back onto their feet. Sure, it'll cost a lot, but that's what taxes are for.
That said, dealing should be illegal as hell for hard drugs.
Weed: now that should be totally legal in all forms.

I believe that people should be responsible for their own actions. While one may not be able to choose after becoming an addict (only certain drugs are addictive), they get to choose before.

I smoke, but I don't expect you to pay for my lung cancer 20 years from now.

If someone is fool enough to skip using the fairly harmless drugs (pot, for instance), and wants to take something more strenuous and potentially lethal (or killingly addictive), then I should not have to pay for it.

The system should be designed to kill idiots as soon as possible, so as to incur the least possible cost.

Crack, for instance, should be manufactured by the government and placed in large bins in cities so that idiots can perish quickly. It would certainly be cheaper than the war on drugs.

Yeh - I've smoked weed, used to do it every weekend when I was out with friends. I'm 17, and this was about 18 months ago - I stopped about 8 months ago. No real reason, just didn't feel like it anymore - and I had too much work to be getting high that often!

It's a fantastically liberating feeling though, and it is something that I am so glad that I did - because you really begin to appreciate all the things around you. Having a conversation with a group of guys and girls at midnight during the hols, on a sandy beach, when high is great!

I've never had a problem with it, and most of the people in my year have tried it at least once. I've bought before many times - average price here in Britain near to where I live is £5 for an eighth, £20 for half an ounce.

I prefer resin myself; bush requires too much effort to cut up - resin is crumbly and smells nicer.

I've smoked it in reefers, bongs, shotties (they're soo much fun!!), lungs.

Honestly, if you haven't tried it - don't knock it. Respect if you don't want to try it, but don't tell other people that what they're doing is dangerous, morally wrong, etc.

The nicotine is much more addictive than the actual THC in the marijuana.

Here in Britain - we've declassified the drug to a Class C non-tradable substance; this means that if the police catch you with it, they're not allowed to confiscate it or do anything unless you have a sizable amount on you. It's quite good.

My two pennies anyway!

Crack, for instance, should be manufactured by the government and placed in large bins in cities so that idiots can perish quickly. It would certainly be cheaper than the war on drugs.


:D Now that's damn funny. Natural Selection at it's finest. I'm guessing you don't mind evolution being taught in schools...

no way. I think if a person has a problem, you help them out. whether its a fat dudes heart surgery, or a smokers chemo, or an adicts small dose of drugs to try and keep him from going into a withdraw, and hopefully turn him into a helpful person in sociaty.

:D Now that's damn funny. Natural Selection at it's finest. I'm guessing you don't mind evolution being taught in schools...
No, I'm not a Creationist. I've seen Darwin in action first-hand.

I would rather that idiots eliminate themselves, rather than be selected by a government, or selected by a mob.

I've never had a problem with it, and most of the people in my year have tried it at least once. I've bought before many times - average price here in Britain near to where I live is £5 for an eighth, £20 for half an ounce.
...
Here in Britain - we've declassified the drug to a Class C non-tradable substance; this means that if the police catch you with it, they're not allowed to confiscate it or do anything unless you have a sizable amount on you. It's quite good.

:eek: where do you live?? a fiver on the henry? dude! im lucky to get away with £15 here! grrr :mad:
and btw, the police can confiscate any amount of it, but only arrest you if you have either a shitload on you, are caught dealing (14 years :eek: ), are smoking in a public place (especially bad if its near children) or if you are a repeat offender.

The system should be designed to kill idiots as soon as possible, so as to incur the least possible cost.

Crack, for instance, should be manufactured by the government and placed in large bins in cities so that idiots can perish quickly. It would certainly be cheaper than the war on drugs.
are you taking the piss, by any chance?

Metal - North Yorkshire matey :-)

aye, £5 for 1/8 of res

aye, £5 for 1/8 of res
bastard.

I am split on the issue whether weed should be legalized. Agaisnt: If weed is legalized it will increase the number of burn outs and trafficers would probably resort to selling stronger drugs. For: Stop drug trafficing(at least for weed), with it legal it can regulated and taxed. Preferable those tax dollars could go to rehab centers Also, the more burn out there are, the better chance i have in the work place :D
I think all drugs should be legalised. It would put the traffickers and gangsters out of business once and for all.

The people who are against smoking weed are the same people who spend their weekends trashed off their ass with a polluted liver. I've met so many people who say "smoking weed is SO bad for you" meanwhile, that weekend they've drank a 40 of rum and had sex with someone they didn't know, oh not to mention got in a bar brawl or something.
Really? I find that such people usually also smoke weed, often at the same time as drinking.

No, because it makes you do stupid things. It's worse for you than tobacco and it smells terrible.
I don't think it's worse than tobacco. Tobacco is physically addictive, weed is not.

A lot of you say that "weed turned this guy I know into a loser". For that one guy who smoked it, there were probably plenty of other people you know who smoked it, that turned out just fine.

Crack, for instance, should be manufactured by the government and placed in large bins in cities so that idiots can perish quickly. It would certainly be cheaper than the war on drugs.

hahaha I so wholehartedly agree.. Even the finacial gain of not having a load of stinking, messed-up thieves around would pay for the bin.

I hate crack / smack users, I've seen good people turn into women-beaters, thieves, beggars (Wombles) and basically untrustworthy scum.
:sniper:

Now, I'm not against drugs, I've been smoking pot (resin) for about 15 years. I'm sure my intellegence hasn't dropped since that age, and I do smoke a lot. I've taken almost everything commonly available in the UK, I will try anything once, just for the experience and then I can have an opinion of it.

I've seen a lot of people mess themselves up on Acid tabs, mushrooms, amphetamines and pills (exstacy type, not valium etc) but pot only messes you up short-term. If you smoke every day for a year, you can go 2 weeks without and it will be clear of your system.

And on that point about 'deaths from weed' - my condolences to the chap who lost his daughter - but the only death I've ever heard of from 'just' weed was a guy in Africa, who had a bail of weed dropped on his head accidently.

'I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence or insanity to anyone,
but they've always worked for me.' Hunter S Thompson

I have done some drugs (not all), and I don't find a problem with the exercise of personal freedom.

The government needs to get out of our lives.

It needs to stop the war on drugs, which translates to a war on our streets.

The people who are against smoking weed are the same people who spend their weekends trashed off their ass with a polluted liver. I've met so many people who say "smoking weed is SO bad for you" meanwhile, that weekend they've drank a 40 of rum and had sex with someone they didn't know, oh not to mention got in a bar brawl or something.


Really? I find that such people usually also smoke weed, often at the same time as drinking.


How can the people against weed be the same people who usually also smoke weed?

Have you ever smoked weed? Why or why not?


Because I can deal with reality.

I smoke two joints in the morning
I smoke two joints at night,
I smoke two joints in the afternoon
and it makes me feel alright
smoke two joints in time of peace
into the time of war
smoke two joints before i smoke two joints
and then i smoke some more

yeah thats what i do, hey

mama she always told me son you really have it bad
mama she always told me son you do the best you can
then one day i met a man she came to me and said
i work good and i work fine but first take care of him

i smoke two joints in the morning
i smoke two joints at night
i smoke two joints in the video game
and it mkes me feel alright
i smoke two joints in the time of peace
into the time of war
smoke two joints before i smoke two joints
and then i smoke some more

I smoke two joints in the morning
I smoke two joints at night,
I smoke two joints in the afternoon
and it makes me feel alright
smoke two joints in time of peace
into the time of war
smoke two joints before i smoke two joints
and then i smoke some more

yeah thats what i do, hey

mama she always told me son you really have it bad
mama she always told me son you do the best you can
then one day i met a man she came to me and said
i work good and i work fine but first take care of him

i smoke two joints in the morning
i smoke two joints at night
i smoke two joints in the video game
and it mkes me feel alright
i smoke two joints in the time of peace
into the time of war
smoke two joints before i smoke two joints
and then i smoke some more
cool :D

yes but no at the same time. i like it and all but i dont have a job(probably the weed) and i cant affordit.




i also like porn :D

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and then some weed




:D :headbang: :sniper: :confused: :( :eek:

i think weed is totally not bad as long as your not spending all your money on it.....there's just a time and a place for it.

Have you ever smoked weed? Why or why not?

No - strangely, it makes me feel ever so slightly superior to people I am around when they are high.

No, I haven´t.
And I´m completly against drugs. They ought to remain illegal.

No, I haven´t.
And I´m completly against drugs. They ought to remain illegal.

Don't do them then, but don't ruin it for te rest of us.

No, I haven´t.
And I´m completly against drugs. They ought to remain illegal.

Well, I have. But I still think drugs should be illegal. ;)

Well, I have. But I still think drugs should be illegal. ;)

Yeah, and look how well that's working out...

this is one of the most STUPID threads i have seen in a long time. I belive if you smoke weed you have no right to exist. That is my opinion, i will not be watching the thread, there is no use in responding to this, just telling you porn loving crackheads that you are all realy immature.

I have done some drugs (not all), and I don't find a problem with the exercise of personal freedom.

The government needs to get out of our lives.

It needs to stop the war on drugs, which translates to a war on our streets.
I agree wholeheartedly.

But as I'm promoting personal responsibility, it comes back to the question, "Should we as a society have to pay for addicts' treatments?"

Because that undermines personal responsibility, and gives the government a reason to clamp down (on a wide range of things, including mandatory seatbelt laws, helmet laws for motorcycles, things like that).

Basically, I'm wondering if personal responsibility is undermined by the current situation...it would certainly make for a stronger argument in favor of legalization if we truly were the only ones affected by our decisions.

I'm split on the issue.

this is one of the most STUPID threads i have seen in a long time. I belive if you smoke weed you have no right to exist. That is my opinion, i will not be watching the thread, there is no use in responding to this, just telling you porn loving crackheads that you are all realy immature.

There's a word for guys who think like you: fascist.

I agree wholeheartedly.

But as I'm promoting personal responsibility, it comes back to the question, "Should we as a society have to pay for addicts' treatments?"

Because that undermines personal responsibility, and gives the government a reason to clamp down (on a wide range of things, including mandatory seatbelt laws, helmet laws for motorcycles, things like that).

Basically, I'm wondering if personal responsibility is undermined by the current situation...it would certainly make for a stronger argument in favor of legalization if we truly were the only ones affected by our decisions.

I'm split on the issue.
you know i just thought of something... who cares if the government "clamps down" on civil liberty?
what's the big deal? its not as if the government is frogmarching you through your life from dawn to dusk everyday. It does these things, such as mandatory seatbelt wearing and compulsory helmets for motorbike riders, because they are good for you. government does it to stop people hurting themselves and others. what's so wrong with that?
going back to the topic, ive already said i support government funded rehabilitation clinics for drug addicts. surely the issue with that is only over tax funds usage, not civil freedom?

Yes, frequently, because it's fun and you can have the most hysterical conversations while stoned. My friends and I are all writing a Stoner's Guide to the Universe full of absurd conversations, one-liners, and stories while stoned.
yes, and it also destroys brain cells by the millions. does anybody here care about their long-term health?

you know i just thought of something... who cares if the government "clamps down" on civil liberty?
what's the big deal? its not as if the government is frogmarching you through your life from dawn to dusk everyday. It does these things, such as mandatory seatbelt wearing and compulsory helmets for motorbike riders, because they are good for you. government does it to stop people hurting themselves and others. what's so wrong with that?
Ok, and the government bans drugs, smoking, and drinking because you're hurting yourself (and possibly others). A paternalistic government is the enemy to personal freedom. And as long as the government does things like this, we'll never see marijuana (or any other drugs, for that matter) decriminalized. Basically, you can't have your cake and eat it too.

There's a word for guys who think like you: fascist.
no, that would be socially conservative. I'm a loyal Democrat who never wants to try pot. I think it should stay illegal, but we should lessen some of the more outrageous punishments. As for porn, that stuff should be legal.

no, that would be socially conservative. I'm a loyal Democrat who never wants to try pot. I think it should stay illegal, but we should lessen some of the more outrageous punishments. As for porn, that stuff should be legal.

Uh, did you read his post? He seems to think that pot smokers should not be allowed to live. That's pretty radical. You're saying keep it illegal but decriminalize, he's saying keep it illegal and euthanize. That's a subtle, but significant difference. ;)

A paternalistic government is the enemy to personal freedom.
That's incredibly oversimplified. The government needs SOME laws. Marijuana impairs your judgment, gets many people into debt trying to buy more, makes thousands of high school kids drop out, destroys brain cells by the millions, and absolutely kills YOUR lungs AND other people's lungs. Other than that, it's great. :rolleyes:

That's incredibly oversimplified. The government needs SOME laws. Marijuana impairs your judgment, gets many people into debt trying to buy more, makes thousands of high school kids drop out, destroys brain cells by the millions, and absolutely kills YOUR lungs AND other people's lungs. Other than that, it's great. :rolleyes:

Uh, not quite.

Alcohol impairs judgement just as prescription pain killers do, but were not about to ban those are we? Nope. We saw how well the ban on booze worked, didn't we?

Show me the statistics where marijauna causes kids to drop out of school and people to go into debt. That's utter crap and you know it.

Pot has also been proven to cause LESS damage to the body than alcohol, and kill many less brain cells. It's also less damaging to your lungs than car exhaust. Should we ban cars?

Prohibition is not the answer, regulation is.

That's incredibly oversimplified. The government needs SOME laws. Marijuana impairs your judgment, gets many people into debt trying to buy more, makes thousands of high school kids drop out, destroys brain cells by the millions, and absolutely kills YOUR lungs AND other people's lungs. Other than that, it's great. :rolleyes:
Yes...but it should be my own damn choice if I want to fuck up my life. The government needs laws, yes, but laws to protect us from each other. Not laws to protect us from ourselves.

Ok, and the government bans drugs, smoking, and drinking because you're hurting yourself (and possibly others). A paternalistic government is the enemy to personal freedom. And as long as the government does things like this, we'll never see marijuana (or any other drugs, for that matter) decriminalized. Basically, you can't have your cake and eat it too.
yes i understand that a 'nanny state' is the enemy to personal freedom, and i understand that i want pot legalised and yet other drugs to remain illegal, and that this is something of a contradiction.
there is such a thing as a boundry - a line to be drawn between those things the government should get involved in and those things that actually interfere with our freedom. i simply believe that things like seatbelt laws are so far into the former type, i cant comprahend claiming that it infringes on personal liberty. having weed illegal however is an unacceptable infringement on this (as in theory all things the government stops one doing is impeding liberty, just some things are acceptable and some are not)
you can have your cake and eat it, just there is this boundry somewhere around the middle

No, because it makes you do stupid things. It's worse for you than tobacco and it smells terrible. Look at most people who smoked pot when they were younger. They all turned out to be losers. My friends dad, for example, lives in the ghetto and can't keep a job. My mom's friends with whom she went to school who did pot are dead or have lost their licenses and have nowhere to go for a good-paying job. Not to mention how often marijuana use leads to use of other drugs.

Well, what you mean by stupid things you'd have to explain a little closer, if someone was to ask me(since no one is, I'll just have to say it anyway) I think that alcohol is more of a menace to society.
Compare crimes comitted by drunk people vs. high people(not counting possession of ganja, of course) and it will turn out that while people influenced by alcohol are more prone to fights, rape, killings etc. violent crimes are reduced by marijuana and other THC-based drugs.

Secondly, there actually isn't any proven connection between smoking pot and starting heavy drugs.

However, this ain't a one sided coin, on the other hand pot makes people slow, its addictive(no matter what some people say), generally bad for your body(if used frequently) and its harder to test and detect if someone was to drive high.

I think that marijuana should be legalized as its about par with alcohol on the "bad-for-you" scale.
It could also prove to be an alternative for people who can't control alcohol and/or get violent when drinking.

It's a choice for the individual, not for the law if you ask me...

Uh, not quite.

Alcohol impairs judgement just as prescription pain killers do, but were not about to ban those are we? Nope. We saw how well the ban on booze worked, didn't we?

Show me the statistics where marijauna causes kids to drop out of school and people to go into debt. That's utter crap and you know it.

Pot has also been proven to cause LESS damage to the body than alcohol, and kill many less brain cells. It's also less damaging to your lungs than car exhaust. Should we ban cars?

Prohibition is not the answer, regulation is.
damn straight dude.
Alomogordo, there's been loads of medical & scientific research into weed, for decades, and it is conclusively less harmful than tobacco or alcohol - and this stuff about damaging brain cells... where did you get that from??

yes i understand that a 'nanny state' is the enemy to personal freedom, and i understand that i want pot legalised and yet other drugs to remain illegal, and that this is something of a contradiction.
there is such a thing as a boundry - a line to be drawn between those things the government should get involved in and those things that actually interfere with our freedom. i simply believe that things like seatbelt laws are so far into the former type, i cant comprahend claiming that it infringes on personal liberty. having weed illegal however is an unacceptable infringement on this (as in theory all things the government stops one doing is impeding liberty, just some things are acceptable and some are not)
you can have your cake and eat it, just there is this boundry somewhere around the middle
I see. I guess I just see the boundary as further to the limit than you, I guess. :p

Anyways, what about acid, shrooms, and ectasy? People keep jumping from weed straight to speed, coke, and heroin...what about the hallucinogens? Studies have shown that LSD is non-addictive, non-harmful at normal doses, and does not damage the lungs as smoking anything does.

I see. I guess I just see the boundary as further to the limit than you, I guess. :p

Anyways, what about acid, shrooms, and ectasy? People keep jumping from weed straight to speed, coke, and heroin...what about the hallucinogens? Studies have shown that LSD is non-addictive, non-harmful at normal doses, and does not damage the lungs as smoking anything does.
actually i think LSD (and shrooms) should be on the 'good' side of the boundry - legalised (but of course regulated). Not sure about other hallucinogens. As for heroin, coke, speed; they are actually and undoubtedly bad for the individual, and the state should intervene to protect its people from self-harm... thus illegal.
where do you stand on these drugs Chodolo?

I see. I guess I just see the boundary as further to the limit than you, I guess. :p

Anyways, what about acid, shrooms, and ectasy? People keep jumping from weed straight to speed, coke, and heroin...what about the hallucinogens? Studies have shown that LSD is non-addictive, non-harmful at normal doses, and does not damage the lungs as smoking anything does.

That's what's funny. Cocaine and speed (methamphetamines) are both perfectly legal in this country, if you have a prescription. We are one of but a few countries that doesn't use heroin as a pain killer, but we do use on that is just as addictive and dangerous: morphine.

There has never been a proven 'gateway drug' link with marijauna.

That's incredibly oversimplified. The government needs SOME laws. Marijuana impairs your judgment, gets many people into debt trying to buy more, makes thousands of high school kids drop out, destroys brain cells by the millions, and absolutely kills YOUR lungs AND other people's lungs. Other than that, it's great. :rolleyes:

Replace "marijuana" with "alcohol" and you'd probably be closer. Jesus, if smoking pot kills "millions" of brain cells, I should be ready for the cabbage patch around now.

I've seen people get into worse debt gambling. Most of my advances in life were made after I'd wrapped my lips around a spliff, and it doesn't kill anyone's lungs if you eat it. Aside from that, why not ban tobacco, if it's other people's lungs you care about?

I see. I guess I just see the boundary as further to the limit than you, I guess. :p

Anyways, what about acid, shrooms, and ectasy? People keep jumping from weed straight to speed, coke, and heroin...what about the hallucinogens? Studies have shown that LSD is non-addictive, non-harmful at normal doses, and does not damage the lungs as smoking anything does.

Not everyone can handle a trip, psychologically.

But then not everyone can handle their booze either.

Did you know it's legal in the UK to pick and eat magic mushrooms, as long as you don't "prepare" them?

actually i think LSD (and shrooms) should be on the 'good' side of the boundry - legalised (but of course regulated). Not sure about other hallucinogens. As for heroin, coke, speed; they are actually and undoubtedly bad for the individual, and the state should intervene to protect its people from self-harm... thus illegal.
where do you stand on these drugs Chodolo?
I think every single drug, plant, and chemical ever found/created should be legal. If you want to snort coke, shoot heroin, go ahead. If you fuck yourself up its your fault undoubtedly, but that doesn't make you a criminal in my book. Maybe someone who needs help (but of course, plenty people can handle "hard" drugs, and plenty people can barely even take simple booze without destroying their life). To me, there's really no ultimate difference between caffeine, nicotene, alcohol, marijuana, methamphetamine, valiums, heroin, DXM, LSD, cocaine, shrooms, X, Ketamine, Vicodin, Prozac, nitrous oxide, mescaline, Ritalin, morphine, etc.

They're all drugs. Many of them have practical uses. Many of them have potential dangers. Society should strive to educate its citizens about the uses and dangers, but ultimately, it should be the individual's choice.

That's my fundamental belief. We have every right to do anything to ourselves without government interference.

what bout someone that on drugs that cant think straight and hurts/kills someone else?

what bout someone that on drugs that cant think straight and hurts/kills someone else?
No different than someone who is thinking straight when they kill someone.

I support continued laws against drunk driving (should be "impaired driving", to cover other drugs). What I don't support is laws against private consumption in the privacy of your own home.

I've just never had the need nor the urge to.

If I want to be out of my mind, I'll stick to alcohol. It's effects are shorter and has less negative implications than weed.

Yeah, alcoholics are great and totally non-violent.

Yeah, alcoholics are great and totally non-violent.
i think one becomes a pothead the day one realises that being stoned is far better than being drunk



oh and i just found that smoking weed is in the bible...

Psalms 104:14
"He causeth the grass to grow for the cattle, and herb for the service of man."
Herb is a name for weed for those not in the know, and not just a modern one either.

God wants us growing weed now?

I don't smoke it becuase I don't want to get lung cancer, emphyzema, etc. But I can easily see why one would smoke and I'm definetly not against it. Some of my friends do it, but me, no.

oh and i just found that smoking weed is in the bible...

Psalms 104:14
"He causeth the grass to grow for the cattle, and herb for the service of man."
Herb is a name for weed for those not in the know, and not just a modern one either.

God wants us growing weed now?
God made weed, man made booze.

Which one is worse? :p

yes, and it also destroys brain cells by the millions. does anybody here care about their long-term health?

So does alcohol, coffee, soft-drinks, cellphones, microwaves, tobacco, asbestos, gasoline, etc. etc. etc. What's your point? That it's okay for me to kill myself certain ways but it's not okay other ways? Or that you're a fascist?

God made weed, man made booze.

Which one is worse? :p

The correct phrase is:

God made grass

Man made booze

Who do you trust?

Silly stoners. I would never do it myself, and I would disapprove of family doing it. I have no physical control over you, so go ahead. Just as long as you're not in a position that you could hurt someone else while stoned. It's still a bad idea.

Not I...

I just wouldn't enjoy not being in total control over myself... So being high doesn't appeal to me...

A valid argument, and indeed one which a person such as myself admires. However, this never bothers me, simply because one needn't sacrifice control of oneself in imbibing. I maintain control of myself at all times...one of my exes is the same way (perhaps moreso), and we both enjoy smoking. Being the control freaks that we are, we know that it's simply a matter of keeping your wits about you.

Do what you will, but really, only you can cause yourself to lose total control when partaking of most substances.

No because I have seen it turn intelligent people into complete morons.
Hey, that's the alcohol that did that, not the weed!

Hey, that's the alcohol that did that, not the weed!
I have yet to meet a person who has become that mind-blowing dumb from drinking booze. And I have met several that have done it from pot. And two of the people that smoked pot and became morons did not drink.

I have yet to meet a person who has become that mind-blowing dumb from drinking booze. And I have met several that have done it from pot. And two of the people that smoked pot and became morons did not drink.

I can't even read that without laughing. The sheer number of stupid things done while drunk by mankind rises like a monolith in the face of your claim. Hell, go check out the Darwin Awards website, just for a start.

Let's see, a really stoned guy might rattle off some half-cocked theory or poorly-worded statement, then maybe fall asleep. A drunk guy gets loud, obnoxious, pisses and/or pukes on himself, then spends the rest of his time conscious telling you how much he loves you, man...sorry, anyone who's ever even poked their head into any kind of frat party can see how utterly unbelievable your annecdotal evidence is.

I can't even read that without laughing. The sheer number of stupid things done while drunk by mankind rises like a monolith in the face of your claim. Hell, go check out the Darwin Awards website, just for a start.

Let's see, a really stoned guy might rattle off some half-cocked theory or poorly-worded statement, then maybe fall asleep. A drunk guy gets loud, obnoxious, pisses and/or pukes on himself, then spends the rest of his time conscious telling you how much he loves you, man...sorry, anyone who's ever even poked their head into any kind of frat party can see how utterly unbelievable your annecdotal evidence is.
Sorry. I meant long term effects. With short term you are right.

Sorry. I meant long term effects. With short term you are right.
Long term too though. I definitely started getting stupider when I started drinking.

Sorry. I meant long term effects. With short term you are right.

Long term neurological effects...worse from marihuana?

http://alcoholism.about.com/od/dementia/

Hmm...

http://alcoholism.about.com/cs/pot/a/blucsd030628.htm

Interesting.

Long term neurological effects...worse from marihuana?

http://alcoholism.about.com/od/dementia/

Hmm...

http://alcoholism.about.com/cs/pot/a/blucsd030628.htm

Interesting.
Meh, science can't explain stupidity yet.

Meh, science can't explain stupidity yet.

Well, linking it to a rotting of the brain (caused by alcohol but not marihuana) is a good start...personally, I'd rather just ban stupid people.

Well, linking it to a rotting of the brain (caused by alcohol but not marihuana) is a good start...personally, I'd rather just ban stupid people.
Oh, I am all for making it illegal to be dumb.

The article on pot did not mention side-effects that some pot smokers get. Like short-term memory loss and spacing out all the time (while sober). Mind you these are the ones that smoke way too much.

Oh, I am all for making it illegal to be dumb.

The article on pot did not mention side-effects that some pot smokers get. Like short-term memory loss and spacing out all the time (while sober). Mind you these are the ones that smoke way too much.
what?! we don't forget.......things....
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I've never smoked anything in my life.

I've never been offered anything either... not even a cigarette.

My boyfriend used to smoke it occasionally (even tho he's allergic to the stuff) and advised me on how I should do it if I ever tried it, because you can't feel it going down... you just get the great feeling afterwards.

I've said a couple of times if it was offered I might try it, but I dunno really... I'd probably just turn it down, out of good instinct from my upbringing (I'm known to turn most things down the first time if I've never tried them before.)

edit: stupid post...
umm...yay weed