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Nirvana, The Beatles and Oasis. Anyone?

Overhyped, but not overrated I reckon.

Anything from Jessica Simpson

Anything from Jessica Simpson
...per definition

Overhyped, but not overrated I reckon.
Possibly, but Nirvana really aren't anything special. If Kurt Cobain were alive today, Nirvana would've split up years ago, and they wouldn't have had any lasting effect on music. And Dave Grohl (hopefully) wouldn't have formed Foo Fighters, and he wouldn't be so f-ing popular now. (I really hate Dave Grohl).
The Beatles. They're good. They had a massive influence on music, and still do. But they ain't that good. Personally, I think they've only done one good song - Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds.
Oasis. Not too bad. Nowhere near as good as some people are inclined to believe. The release of their next album is going to be a major media event here in Britain, and it'll be shite.

Anything from Jessica Simpson
I think things have to be rated, before they can be overrated.

Queen. Nothing comes close to that hype.

[QUOTE=I V Stalin]And Dave Grohl (hopefully) wouldn't have formed Foo Fighters, and he wouldn't be so f-ing popular now. (I really hate Dave Grohl).
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how can you hate dave grohl? all round legend and "nicest guy in rock"

I agree with Oasis.

Also:
Bon Jovi (of late): they're selling out and their music of late plain sucks
Rolling Stones: Seriously. How many songs have they written the last 20 years that ANYBODY can name?

Menudo
Backstreet Boys
Boyz II Men
New Kids On The Block
NSYNC
98 Degrees

Queen. Nothing comes close to that hype.
fool.

Queen overrated?

Jamie flippin' Cullum.

Grrr.

I'd have to agree with nirvana being overrated. They had good lyrics, but the music its self wasn't anything special.

Maroon 5. They are okay, but not worthy of the mass of hype they get.
Also Busted, their songs are all the same. If they were old men with the same music they would be lucky to have a fraction of their popularity.

Oasis, of that list. The Beatles are awesome. Nirvana are alright i suppose.

ANy Rap or Hip hop or Ghetto or whatver.

Possibly, but Nirvana really aren't anything special. If Kurt Cobain were alive today, Nirvana would've split up years ago, and they wouldn't have had any lasting effect on music. And Dave Grohl (hopefully) wouldn't have formed Foo Fighters, and he wouldn't be so f-ing popular now. (I really hate Dave Grohl).

Sure, but all of the bands from the initial grunge wave have split up years ago (besides Pearl Jam who quite frankly should). I agree that Nirvana had their time in the sun, and would have only gone downhill. But they were the band that was most important in popularising and making possible the wave of indie rock and changed the face of music for good or bad depending on your point of view.

If you're looking on the compositional strength of their work, don't bother, that's not what the band is about, and I feel is the wrong way to tackle music. Sure, it's nice to hear technical strength, but it doesnt matter if the resulting music is flat and boring. In Utero is simply a great album and there is passion and feel in the music (especially the lyrics) which to me is the most important thing. I agree that Kurt Cobain God worship is way over the top, but thats the hype for you. They have another good side as well- they showed that anyone can become famous and learn the guitar. They inspired me to pick one up anyway :)

The Beatles. They're good. They had a massive influence on music, and still do. But they ain't that good. Personally, I think they've only done one good song - Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds.

Basically the same as above, replace Kurt with Lennon etc.

Oasis. Not too bad. Nowhere near as good as some people are inclined to believe. The release of their next album is going to be a major media event here in Britain, and it'll be shite.

Eh, I haven't bothered with them. I have a friend who is raving on about them but I haven't checked them out in proper detail.]

ANy Rap or Hip hop or Ghetto or whatver.

Nah, that's a bit of a generalisation. There is quite a bit of overhyped shite out there, though. Especially 50 Cent.

Nah, that's a bit of a generalisation. There is quite a bit of overhyped shite out there, though. Especially 50 Cent.

I like Public Enemy, Ice-T, etc. But I do have to agree with the other guy in saying that nearly all modern rap is overrated by far, and a lot of the obscure stuff is obscure for the simple reason that much of it is shit.

id say queen and ultimatley eminen and 50cent. i like rap music but these goons are just pure neurotic. :mp5:

But they were the band that was most important in popularising and making possible the wave of indie rock and changed the face of music for good or bad depending on your point of view.
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What a lot of tosh. How did Nirvana do more to popularise the early Ninties Indie scene than Primal Scream, Happy Mondays, The Stone Roses etc?

Not that they weren't good, they were, but really... let's not pretend they were trailblazers.

id say queen and ultimatley eminen and 50cent. i like rap music but these goons are just pure neurotic. :mp5:

Eminen has his good points... Anyone here a fan of Goldie Looking Chain?

POP MUSIC IN GENERAL! Now thats overrated. Mcfly, Busted, you know the sorta stuff im on bout. Also, R&B, and most rap (other than Eminem, now thts rap you can like)
No one can say I don't try this music, my collection numbers around 25 albums, from most genres, and I like to try anything once. But, I must say this: No matter how much I like Guns N' Roses, Sweet Child O' Mine is an overratted song. Lyrics and melody are good, but it is the only one most people know

the point about Nirvana is what they started.. no-one gives a shit about how technically good or bad Cobain's songwriting and guitar technique was, it's all about what they created.
sure all the grunge bands are dead and buried but Cobain's angry and tormented lyrics paved the way for hundreds of bands like Korn for example and the vast majority of the bands at the end of the 90's
You still get bands saying Nirvana influenced them now.

Most over rated band around now is probably all the shit being fed to us by the record companies like Busted, McFly, Avril, etc..

POP MUSIC IN GENERAL! Now thats overrated. Mcfly, Busted, you know the sorta stuff im on bout. Also, R&B, and most rap (other than Eminem, now thts rap you can like)
No one can say I don't try this music, my collection numbers around 25 albums, from most genres, and I like to try anything once. But, I must say this: No matter how much I like Guns N' Roses, Sweet Child O' Mine is an overratted song. Lyrics and melody are good, but it is the only one most people know

surely you mean overplayed, not over rated.
Sweet Child O'Mine is one of the best things that band ever did

Menudo
Backstreet Boys
Boyz II Men
New Kids On The Block
NSYNC
98 Degrees

Yes!!

also...
Christina Agulara (sry...don't know how it's spelled)
Britney Spears
Jessica Simpson
Hillary Duff
Lindsey Lohan
...note how many of these have affiliations with disney but can't sing one clean song!
Good Charlotte

uck...we need more stuff like something corporate, rammstien, and afi

the point about Nirvana is what they started.. no-one gives a shit about how technically good or bad Cobain's songwriting and guitar technique was, it's all about what they created.
sure all the grunge bands are dead and buried but Cobain's angry and tormented lyrics paved the way for hundreds of bands like Korn for example and the vast majority of the bands at the end of the 90's
You still get bands saying Nirvana influenced them now.

Most over rated band around now is probably all the shit being fed to us by the record companies like Busted, McFly, Avril, etc..

I'll go with that. It doesn't really matter how many records they released, or how predictable they were etc etc, but no one can deny the impact that Nirvana, Queen, The Beatles, Elvis Presley etc had upon music of today.

i say that pop and Hip hop are overated. God i hate that type of music

"Where is the love" is overrated. The Black eyed Peas are great, but why oh why did they get Justin Timberlake to sing the chorus? It's like their live version, but with the character drained out.

And yes, I know it's a cover version anyway.

surely you mean overplayed, not over rated.
Sweet Child O'Mine is one of the best things that band ever did

I can see its a good song, Im not saying it isnt. All im sayin is tht is overrated by people who say they r GNR fans, but when you ask them to name their greatest song, alot of people would say Swet Child O' Mine

I'll go with that. It doesn't really matter how many records they released, or how predictable they were etc etc, but no one can deny the impact that Nirvana, Queen, The Beatles, Elvis Presley etc had upon music of today.

exactly.
even a band like Metallica who can lay claim to starting a genre took their influences from somewhere.. its all one big circle

exactly.
even a band like Metallica who can lay claim to starting a genre took their influences from somewhere.. its all one big circle

Thank you

I can see its a good song, Im not saying it isnt. All im sayin is tht is overrated by people who say they r GNR fans, but when you ask them to name their greatest song, alot of people would say Swet Child O' Mine

yeh thts true, i see what you mean.
fair enough.
whats your favourite GNR song?

The Darkness. Utter shite, definatley the most overated band.

Britney Spears, Lisa Marie Presley.

The Darkness. Utter shite, definatley the most overated band.
The Darkness has pretty cool Rock 'n Roll.... if only that guy would shut his ugly trap

The Darkness has pretty cool Rock 'n Roll.... if only that guy would shut his ugly trap

they are just annoying, the dude's a fukin great guitarist, he really is

yeh thts true, i see what you mean.
fair enough.
whats your favourite GNR song?

Gd question, there r so many. let me see, il list my fave top ten

1) Estranged
2) Night train
3) Dont Cry (both versions)
4) Paradise City
5) Welcome to the Jungle
6) Aint it Fun
7) Yesterdays
8) Civil War
9) Knockin on Heavens Door
10) (I know this is a cliche) Sweet Child O' Mine

Gd question, there r so many. let me see, il list my fave top ten

1) Estranged
2) Night train
3) Dont Cry (both versions)
4) Paradise City
5) Welcome to the Jungle
6) Aint it Fun
7) Yesterdays
8) Civil War
9) Knockin on Heavens Door
10) (I know this is a cliche) Sweet Child O' Mine

awesome! :D
now there was a good band

they are just annoying, the dude's a fukin great guitarist, he really is
damn right he is

The Darkness. Utter shite, definatley the most overated band.

You gotta love their Christmas record, though.

awesome! :D
now there was a good band


Oh yes

Most "pop" is not just overrated but crap. Including Robbie Williams (that is not true rock!). We need more original stuff like Rammstein. In fact, a lot of metal is really crap too, but when metal is well made - there's nothing finer.

Also I do not like hip hop with its bastardized English that just is not original anymore.

Most "pop" is not just overrated but crap. Including Robbie Williams (that is not true rock!). We need more original stuff like Rammstein. In fact, a lot of metal is really crap too, but when metal is well made - there's nothing finer.

Also I do not like hip hop with its bastardized English that just is not original anymore.

Robbie Williams has some gd stuff though, though he is a bit overrated

they are just annoying, the dude's a fukin great guitarist, he really is
Did you hear they refused to go on a picture where they had to pour champagne over 2 naked women... REFUSED!! :eek: Assholes

EDIT: not 2, 12

Did you hear they refused to go on a picture where they had to pour champagne over 2 naked women... REFUSED!! :eek: Assholes

Intergrity my friend, something lacked by some other bands

Britney Spears, Kylie Minoque, Madonna, you name it.

Intergrity my friend, something lacked by some other bands
Oops: 2 = 12

Intergrity, schmintegrity. They're a fucking Rock Band. You're supposed to have an attitude

You gotta love their Christmas record, though.

Im sorry, buty you do talk crap! Tht Christmas recored was so bad, they shud neva have released it

lol, altho tempting to pour champagne on naked ladies,
even the darkness appreciate that they dont need press like tht

Im sorry, buty you do talk crap! Tht Christmas recored was so bad, they shud neva have released it

Heh, I think that was the idea.

lol, altho tempting to pour champagne on naked ladies,
even the darkness appreciate that they dont need press like tht
It's just not rock 'n roll to NOT do it.

Oops: 2 = 12

Intergrity, schmintegrity. They're a fucking Rock Band. You're supposed to have an attitude

At least they draw the line somewhere and we are not going to have Justin Hawkins dying of something like a heroin overdose like Nikki Sixx almost did

'not rock n roll'
why does there have to be some stigma about being a rockstar,
why cant they just do what they feel like doing?

'not rock n roll'
why does there have to be some stigma about being a rockstar,
why cant they just do what they feel like doing?

THANK YOU ONCE AGAIN! the time wen rock bands went overboard with excessive alcohol, drugs, groupies is past (well, for the most part at keast)

'not rock n roll'
why does there have to be some stigma about being a rockstar,
why cant they just do what they feel like doing?
"I don't feel like pouring champagne over 12 naked women"

Yeah right!

THANK YOU ONCE AGAIN! the time wen rock bands went overboard with excessive alcohol, drugs, groupies is past (well, for the most part at keast)

yeah, leave that in the 80's where it belongs
even ozzy regrets it

"I don't feel like pouring champagne over 12 naked women"

Yeah right!

Id be happy to do tht with my g/f, but to each his one. Let them do their own thing

"I don't feel like pouring champagne over 12 naked women"

Yeah right!

maybe they knew that by doing it that they would be living up to exactly what everyone thinks of them
so they thought it would be more 'rock n roll' to be original and not do it, let the tarts from Busted do that sort of thing

yeah, leave that in the 80's where it belongs
even ozzy regrets it

Yes, but Ozzy is insane. Theres no other way to describe it, he just is

Look out, here come the rockstars

http://www.foba.nl/images/Russen-A'dam/1/DSC_0014(5)k.jpg

Dudes. They HAVE to have an image of being bad asses.

cant blame ozzy tho,
grew up in a shit-heap in birmingham, learned to be a criminal, sang into a mic and became worshipped
drank his way thro the next 20 years, forgot the 80's
no wonder hes a bit messed up

Look out, here come the rockstars

http://www.foba.nl/images/Russen-A'dam/1/DSC_0014(5)k.jpg

Dudes. They HAVE to have an image of being bad asses.

Um, sorry, but tht link doesnt work. It isnt actually a hyperlink on the forum

Um, sorry, but tht link doesnt work. It isnt actually a hyperlink on the forum
ever heard "copy & paste"?

cant blame ozzy tho,
grew up in a shit-heap in birmingham, learned to be a criminal, sang into a mic and became worshipped
drank his way thro the next 20 years, forgot the 80's
no wonder hes a bit messed up

LOL :D

ever heard "copy & paste"?

who are the people in the pic?

who are the people in the pic?
just some people (I think Russians)

just some people (I think Russians)

how random :D

u2.

save about five or six songs that blow my mind apart, they are r.e.m.'s shitty foreign cousin.

how random :D
hmmmm Google -> Random People :D

u2.

save about five or six songs that blow my mind apart, they are r.e.m.'s shitty foreign cousin.

there would be no REM if U2 hadnt inspired them

OK, this is purely for British ppl (soz anybody else) did u see Johnathan Ross on Friday night!
OMG U2 took the place over! They are officialy one of the gretaest bands ever. They have been going for 20 + years now and they are a phenomen

u2.

save about five or six songs that blow my mind apart, they are r.e.m.'s shitty foreign cousin.
IGNORANT RETARD

What a lot of tosh. How did Nirvana do more to popularise the early Ninties Indie scene than Primal Scream, Happy Mondays, The Stone Roses etc?

Not that they weren't good, they were, but really... let's not pretend they were trailblazers.

Well, for one I've never heard of the three you mention, and while I don't particularly care for Nirvana, I do know of them.

OK, this is purely for British ppl (soz anybody else) did u see Johnathan Ross on Friday night!
OMG U2 took the place over! They are officialy one of the gretaest bands ever. They have been going for 20 + years now and they are a phenomen

i didnt see it :(
saw one with peter kay, tht was hilarious

i didnt see it :(
saw one with peter kay, tht was hilarious

U missed a treat mate

Well, for one I've never heard of the three you mention, and while I don't particularly care for Nirvana, I do know of them.

exactly, their name lives on

Primal scream were shit anyway

how can you hate dave grohl? all round legend and "nicest guy in rock"

He might be the nicest guy in rock, but I still hate the music he makes. Maybe I should add the Foos to my original 3.
Oh, and Keane as well. You want bland and unemotional? You need look no further.

OK, this is purely for British ppl (soz anybody else) did u see Johnathan Ross on Friday night!
OMG U2 took the place over! They are officialy one of the gretaest bands ever. They have been going for 20 + years now and they are a phenomen

Erm...was I watching the same thing as you? You've gotta love Bono's faux-emotion when he ripped his shirt. Or not. The guy's a dickhead. U2's last good album was The Joshua Tree, which was actually very, very good. But overall they're not great. I've only heard a couple of songs from the new album, but it's enough to make me not want to hear the rest of it.

He might be the nicest guy in rock, but I still hate the music he makes. Maybe I should add the Foos to my original 3.
Oh, and Keane as well. You want bland and unemotional? You need look no further.

but its not like Keane are claiming to be something they're not. they've made a couple of songs that are quite appealing, like Coldplay have.
bands like that never last long.

the Foo Fighters on the other hand have had longevity, you can hate Dave Grohl all you like but he's a hell of a talented guy

the Foo Fighters on the other hand have had longevity, you can hate Dave Grohl all you like but he's a hell of a talented guy

I don't hate Dave Grohl. Never met him, and he seems like a nice guy from what I've read/heard about him. Nonetheless, I still hate the vast majority of the music that he's made.

as i recall, REM and U2 released their first albums at about the same time, so it's hard to say one "inspired" the other. they do have a lot in common: interest in creating a new sound (albeit quite different from each other), social conscience, complex lyrics.

Six words people:

Pink. Floyd. Pretentious. Twats. No. Talent.

Enough said.

Most of that pop and rap crap that is flooding the market these days.

Six words people:

Pink. Floyd. Pretentious. Twats. No. Talent.

Enough said.

Woah, woah, woah!!! I agree with the first 3, and the last one, but they weren't twats, and they had talent. Just listen to Dark Side of the Moon, and tell me, honestly, that it's not the best album ever made. Pink Floyd are the greatest band ever, bar none.

Woah, woah, woah!!! I agree with the first 3, and the last one, but they weren't twats, and they had talent. Just listen to Dark Side of the Moon, and tell me, honestly, that it's not the best album ever made. Pink Floyd are the greatest band ever, bar none.
ALMOST every band has at least one bad and one good album.

In the case of Pink Floyd, Dark Side of the Moon is totally awesome.

as i recall, REM and U2 released their first albums at about the same time, so it's hard to say one "inspired" the other. they do have a lot in common: interest in creating a new sound (albeit quite different from each other), social conscience, complex lyrics.

From what I just looked up, U2 pre-dates REM (by album releases only) by 2 years - 1980 vs. 1982.

From what I just looked up, U2 pre-dates REM (by album releases only) by 2 years - 1980 vs. 1982.
Is this really important? I mean, they're both massively overrated anyway...

THANK YOU ONCE AGAIN! the time wen rock bands went overboard with excessive alcohol, drugs, groupies is past (well, for the most part at keast) Now it is pentagrams and death and killing. It's all rather civilised, actually. Pentagrams are actually rather pretty…

Pop music, everyone loves their crappy song for a week and then fall into relavitave obscurity a month later.

ALMOST every band has at least one bad and one good album.

In the case of Pink Floyd, Dark Side of the Moon is totally awesome.

Yes, gd man. However, Delicate Sound of Thunder I thought was a bit of a let down

The Beatles and Nirvana rule!

Overrated bands and singers are the recent ones, like Jessica Simpson, Brittany Spears, they suck, they cant sing, they dont sing, and when they do there voices are updated, I hate that kind of Hollywood crap.

Is this really important? I mean, they're both massively overrated anyway...

Utter retard. U2 r a brillant band (Im listening to Vertigo right now) and R.E.M r gd as well, they r both gd in their own right

Gd question, there r so many. let me see, il list my fave top ten

1) Estranged
2) Night train
3) Dont Cry (both versions)
4) Paradise City
5) Welcome to the Jungle
6) Aint it Fun
7) Yesterdays
8) Civil War
9) Knockin on Heavens Door
10) (I know this is a cliche) Sweet Child O' Mine

Dude Guns N' Roses is a totally awesome band! Ever heard ther song Coma? Its intense. One of the best bands ever. A few of my favs you didnt list are:Patience, November Rain, Coma, One in a Million, Don't Damn Me, and My Michelle.

As for overated artists: Jay-Z, no talent and he's treated like some legend :headbang: Most pop artists tend to be overated too.

Dude Guns N' Roses is a totally awesome band! Ever heard ther song Coma? Its intense. One of the best bands ever. A few of my favs you didnt list are:Patience, November Rain, Coma, One in a Million, Don't Damn Me, and My Michelle.

As for overated artists: Jay-Z, no talent and he's treated like some legend :headbang: Most pop artists tend to be overated too.

Heard most of the above GNR tunes. Ok, serious question to everybody here:
Do any of you like hip-hop or R&B etc above all others?

How can you mention GnR songs without mentioning 14 Years? GnR was one hell of a rock band.

As for overrated? Pink Floyd. One hell of a band as well, but shit, they get way more attention than they deserve.

GnR WAS

Right now Axl should have taken a new name for his band

Its all personal opinion really. For example, I think Oasis are a great band. True, they did slack off a little recently, but look at whats the story morning glory. Others out there may think that Oasis r overated

Most Overrated:

Joy Division
Radiohead (They are really good, but not as good as everybody wants to think)
Led Zeppelin(This should fan some flames)
Pink Floyd(ditto)
Ozzy Osbourne

GnR WAS

Right now Axl should have taken a new name for his band
He does own the name Guns N' Roses, but I agree, should have taken a new name, like Slash & Izzy etc did wit Velvet Revolver

Most Overrated:

Joy Division
Radiohead (They are really good, but not as good as everybody wants to think)
Led Zeppelin(This should fan some flames)
Pink Floyd(ditto)
Ozzy Osbourne
Radiohead is a matter of personal taste. Either you like 'em, or you think they're crap. They're hardly overrated

Most Overrated:

Joy Division
Radiohead (They are really good, but not as good as everybody wants to think)
Led Zeppelin(This should fan some flames)
Pink Floyd(ditto)
Ozzy Osbourne
LED ZEPPELIN! OK, you have stoked my flames now

He does own the name Guns N' Roses, but I agree, should have taken a new name, like Slash & Izzy etc did wit Velvet Revolver
They Rock! Whoo! Got the CD last weekend.

And Slash' Snakepit.... Also very good

Radiohead is a matter of personal taste. Either you like 'em, or you think they're crap. They're hardly overrated

I like The Bends, OK Computer, and parts of their new one.

However, I can't agree with the thousands of critics who put Bends and OK in their top 5.

They Rock! Whoo! Got the CD last weekend.

And Slash' Snakepit.... Also very good

true, true

LED ZEPPELIN! OK, you have stoked my flames now

Well defend them, then. I like them, but they did more for Styx, Boston, and Foreigner than they did for real rock n' roll.

I like The Bends, OK Computer, and parts of their new one.

However, I can't agree with the thousands of critics who put Bends and OK in their top 5.

excuse me, who?

I like The Bends, OK Computer, and parts of their new one.

However, I can't agree with the thousands of critics who put Bends and OK in their top 5.
Bends and OK in top 5? That seems a bit over the top, I'll give that one to you

excuse me, who?

I'm sorry, that was Radiohead. Buy or download the two albums I mentioned. I don't think they are amongst the top albums of the 90's like most, but I do admit they are very good.

Warning: They are a challenge, listen with an open mind.

well in response to the first post,...all i can say..is ...are you JOKING.

also any rap or pop is way overrated...i can scream threats, talk about how poor i am, (even though they live in mansion), and sing some stupid love song with a pop background...it takes no talent to make bad music...

Bends and OK in top 5? That seems a bit over the top, I'll give that one to you

I tend to follow more independant rock circles, and they still haven't stopped creaming their pants over OK Computer.

I've not read most of this thread - just skimmed. However, I don't think I'll have much disagreement when I point out the latest Band Aid single as being a huge pile of excrement.

Excrucior

I'm sorry, that was Radiohead. Buy or download the two albums I mentioned. I don't think they are amongst the top albums of the 90's like most, but I do admit they are very good.

Warning: They are a challenge, listen with an open mind.

Radiohead isnt really my thing. Some stuff of tht sort i like, but not much, mostly a rock and metal fan myself

GnR WAS

Right now Axl should have taken a new name for his band

Yeah only dizzy and Axl are left. But this new gnr kicks ass too. I downloaded a couple of their songs.Even though he owns the the name, it would have been better if he had changed it. He could name it any thing for all I care, I just want a new album!

well in response to the first post,...all i can say..is ...are you JOKING.

also any rap or pop is way overrated...i can scream threats, talk about how poor i am, (even though they live in mansion), and sing some stupid love song with a pop background...it takes no talent to make bad music...

Actually make an attempt to listen to the music before you criticize it. You have obviously never listened to guys like Mos Def, Talib Kweli, Cee Lo Green, Aesop Rock.

The don't fit your description.

I've not read most of this thread - just skimmed. However, I don't think I'll have much disagreement when I point out the latest Band Aid single as being a huge pile of excrement.

Excrucior

I agree, but loadsa ppl over here dont. in britain, it sold more than the rest of the Top 40 Singles chart combined

Radiohead isnt really my thing. Some stuff of tht sort i like, but not much, mostly a rock and metal fan myself

The Bends was completely a rock album. OK Computer was their transition from traditional rock to their kind of electronica/noise rock/We're super smart stuff they have made since the late 90's.

Both of them contain a great deal of straight forward rock.

Yeah only dizzy and Axl are left. But this new gnr kicks ass too. I downloaded a couple of their songs.Even though he owns the the name, it would have been better if he had changed it. He could name it any thing for all I care, I just want a new album!

Wish granted. Kerrang were saying round August tht Axl wants to bring out a new album wit this GNR

The Bends was completely a rock album. OK Computer was their transition from traditional rock to their kind of electronica/noise rock/We're super smart stuff they have made since the late 90's.

Both of them contain a great deal of straight forward rock.

I might check out the Bends, but I cant stand anything techno esque, so i think il avoid OK Computer

I might check out the Bends, but I cant stand anything techno esque, so i think il avoid OK Computer
Try... Amnesiac, Kid A, Hail to the Thief... all very different

Actually make an attempt to listen to the music before you criticize it. You have obviously never listened to guys like Mos Def, Talib Kweli, Cee Lo Green, Aesop Rock.

The don't fit your description.

OK, I have made an attempt to listen to rap and hip-hop, so i think i have a fairly gd idea of what i like, and this just aint it. eminem, yes, tht i can listen to, coz i recognize tht he is talkin about wat he feels, yet he neva does wat he sez he will do such as kill his mother
Also, sumtimes rappers etc get things out of proportion. I think it was Ice T that released Cop Killer? Now, I know America is racially tense, and tht policve brutality does happen, but you cant solve violence and hatred in kind

I might check out the Bends, but I cant stand anything techno esque, so i think il avoid OK Computer

It isn't even close to techno, they just use a great deal of experimental sounds and electronics. In fact it is still considered rock, just they do a lot with experimentation and cross referencing with their lyrics and music. I think they got a little too full of themselves after OK Computer and made it way to artsy.

and on Bends, get:

Just (you do it to yourself)
High and Dry
Fake Plastic Trees

the point about Nirvana is what they started.. no-one gives a shit about how technically good or bad Cobain's songwriting and guitar technique was, it's all about what they created.
sure all the grunge bands are dead and buried but Cobain's angry and tormented lyrics paved the way for hundreds of bands like Korn for example and the vast majority of the bands at the end of the 90's
You still get bands saying Nirvana influenced them now.

Ah-HEM... as a rabid fan of The Replacements & Soul Asylum, I'm going to disagree and hold you in contempt for having never heard of The Minneapolis Trinity (the other band being Husker Du, which is only decent). There's some disagreement as to whether Grunge was made with the Mat's Tim or SA's And The Horse They Rode In On, but Nirvana is popular only because of Cobain's death.

If you could understand the lyrics of "Smells like Teen Spirit" while it was being heard, then it'd have been a band for the ages, instead of merely a great band. However, since you can't, nobody mentioned them that much whole they lived.

Try... Amnesiac, Kid A, Hail to the Thief... all very different

Thanks, Il keep tht in mind

I say Elvis. He was really good, but... I don't know. Maybe it's just that simplicity really strikes you when you're a rabid Beatles/Dylan/Simon & Garfunkel fan.

Ah-HEM... as a rabid fan of The Replacements & Soul Asylum, I'm going to disagree and hold you in contempt for having never heard of The Minneapolis Trinity (the other band being Husker Du, which is only decent). There's some disagreement as to whether Grunge was made with the Mat's Tim or SA's And The Horse They Rode In On, but Nirvana is popular only because of Cobain's death.

If you could understand the lyrics of "Smells like Teen Spirit" while it was being heard, then it'd have been a band for the ages, instead of merely a great band. However, since you can't, nobody mentioned them that much whole they lived.

Cobains death ('suicide') did shoot them into the limelight, but in 1991, you couldnt tune into MTV without hearing about them. It doesnt matter what ppl thought at the time, its simply how they r pervieved. The fathers of mainstream grunge. Just like the Sex Pistols, fathers of punk etc

I say Elvis. He was really good, but... I don't know. Maybe it's just that simplicity really strikes you when you're a rabid Beatles/Dylan/Simon & Garfunkel fan.
It all comes back to simple routes

I say Elvis. He was really good, but... I don't know. Maybe it's just that simplicity really strikes you when you're a rabid Beatles/Dylan/Simon & Garfunkel fan.
Elvis covered most of "his" songs. All he did introduce was moving on stage :D

Cobains death ('suicide') did shoot them into the limelight, but in 1991, you couldnt tune into MTV without hearing about them. It doesnt matter what ppl thought at the time, its simply how they r pervieved. The fathers of mainstream grunge. Just like the Sex Pistols, fathers of punk etc

Sex Pistols: Fathers of Punk?

Pffff. They were put together like a boy band and did nothing to advance the music.

Sex Pistols: Fathers of Punk?

Pffff. They were put together like a boy band and did nothing to advance the music.
erm... made it famous?

*havnt read anything*

anything by britney spears, hillary duff, 50 cent, and others i cant think of now

erm... made it famous?

Thank you. The Sex Pistols were a great band (God Save The Queen anybody :D). Green Day are kinda bringing it back, and American Idoit is a great album, but they r a little bit suspect

erm... made it famous?

There was a huge market for it at the time. Without the Clash, The Stooges, The Ramones, and Joy Division, punk would have fallen apart and the Sex Pistols would be remembered as complete and total gimmicks, instead of as gimmicks who made it rich by exploiting a genre.

Anyway, I reckon that the most overated thing in music ever r those ppl that win stuff like pop idol!

Yeah... well... SOMEONE has to make it famous. Like Nirvana did for Grunge.

EDIT: I'm not saying The Ramones aren't the true fathers of Punk, but without Sex Pistols I doubt it would have ever gotten as big

There was a huge market for it at the time. Without the Clash, The Stooges, The Ramones, and Joy Division, punk would have fallen apart and the Sex Pistols would be remembered as complete and total gimmicks, instead of as gimmicks who made it rich by exploiting a genre.
Il give you tht. You do hav a v.good point, except the last part about them just being gimmicks

Thank you. The Sex Pistols were a great band (God Save The Queen anybody :D). Green Day are kinda bringing it back, and American Idoit is a great album, but they r a little bit suspect

Green Day rank no where near the sex pistols..... i agree they are bringin it back a little but as yet they havent come up with anything to trully impress me ... American idiot is a good song but compared to god save the queen its nothin..

As for dissin Zepplin a while ago.... wat wer u thinkin

Thank you. The Sex Pistols were a great band (God Save The Queen anybody :D). Green Day are kinda bringing it back, and American Idoit is a great album, but they r a little bit suspect

You do know that The Sex Pistol were little more than a boy band, right? They were brought together by their manager, had absolutely no talent, and made it big based on a staged interview in which the cursed at the prodding of their manager. They released one album, two singles that anyone can remember, and had a bassist who couldn't even play bass.

Queen. Nothing comes close to that hype.

Get out.

True, True. But look at thier success in context

SOz guys, this is about the Sex Pistols for those who dont reliese this

Green Day rank no where near the sex pistols..... i agree they are bringin it back a little but as yet they havent come up with anything to trully impress me ... American idiot is a good song but compared to god save the queen its nothin..

As for dissin Zepplin a while ago.... wat wer u thinkin

Green Day is a far better band than the Sex Pistols. American Idiot is about the 23rd/24th best song in Green Day's catalogue.

As for Zeppelin, they are good, but not near as good as what a lot of people say. Top 20? Yes. Top 5? No.

Green Day rank no where near the sex pistols..... i agree they are bringin it back a little but as yet they havent come up with anything to trully impress me ... American idiot is a good song but compared to god save the queen its nothin..

As for dissin Zepplin a while ago.... wat wer u thinkin

First things first: Hello Bell. Secondly, I never sed tht Green Day were as gd, but at least they r tryin

True, True. But look at thier success in context

SOz guys, this is about the Sex Pistols for those who dont reliese this

In what context? Compared to Iggy Pop, The Clash, The Buzzcocks, The Ramones, Joy Division? Neither their commercial success or critical success compare.

If you make the original comparison to Nirvana, it doesn't even relate.

Punk and Emo.

I don't mean to insult any fans of those on this forum, but all the punk and Emo I've ever heard is just a bunch of teens singing w/fake angst in their voice, and then Emo to me is really 'Screamo'

In what context? Compared to Iggy Pop, The Clash, The Buzzcocks, The Ramones, Joy Division? Neither their commercial success or critical success compare.

If you make the original comparison to Nirvana, it doesn't even relate.

il stick to my basic principles: To each his own

Jamie flippin' Cullum.

Grrr.


i think you meant 'uck' instead of 'lipp'

oh and the most overated music is numetal. the most underated band is radiohead. they should be preserved in honey when they die for being genius's. oh and because i fancy jonny greenwood (my god the cheekbones and jawline are so sharp!), which pisses my girlfriend off.

I don't think I'll have much disagreement when I point out the latest Band Aid single as being a huge pile of excrement.

Yes, it is. The original wasn't great either.

I agree, but loadsa ppl over here dont. in britain, it sold more than the rest of the Top 40 Singles chart combined
People aren't buying it for the music. They're buying it for charidee. And then, hopefully, destroying it.

oh and the most overated music is numetal. the most underated band is radiohead. they should be preserved in honey when they die for being genius's. oh and because i fancy jonny greenwood (my god the cheekbones and jawline are so sharp!), which pisses my girlfriend off.

I agree with you on Nu Metal. Utter Crap.

Radiohead is certainly not underrated.

Pitchforkmedia: OK Computer: #1 Album of the 90s
Kid A: #1 Album of 2000
Hail to the Theif: #4 Album of 2003
Nude as the News: #2 Most Compelling album of the 90s
Spin: #9 album of the 90s
KEXP: #2 Album of the 90s
Ink Blot: #1 Album of the 90s
Pure Pop: #2 Album of the 90s
Melody Maker: #20 Album of all time
Q: #2 British Album of all time

well in response to the first post,...all i can say..is ...are you JOKING.

No. I was intending to provoke debate, and it looks like I've succeeded.
Radiohead are ok, but there's better. Sex Pistols - for what they were they were good, but musically they're shite. Sid Vicious couldn't play at all, and Johnny Rotten couldn't sing. Green Day - they are good. Certainly have progressed a lot since songs like Longview. And punk is good, if, like most genres, you don't take it particularly seriously - I'll point you to NOFX.
Now ska. There's an entire genre that's underrated. F**king great music, and there's nothing like a good skanking.

No. I was intending to provoke debate, and it looks like I've succeeded.
Radiohead are ok, but there's better. Sex Pistols - for what they were they were good, but musically they're shite. Sid Vicious couldn't play at all, and Johnny Rotten couldn't sing. Green Day - they are good. Certainly have progressed a lot since songs like Longview. And punk is good, if, like most genres, you don't take it particularly seriously - I'll point you to NOFX.
Now ska. There's an entire genre that's underrated. F**king great music, and there's nothing like a good skanking.

Green Day has regressed since Longview. And most of Ska is crap, I would say all but I know generalizations like that are wrong.

I like Jamie Cullum...

*ducks*

Anyway, my personal belief is that pop music is never overrated, since that implies that it has respect, which the genre does not.

As for what *is* overrated, over the past two years I'd say Velvet Revolver's "Contraband" and AFI's "Sing The Sorrow". I've never heard so much praise for two albums that were so utterly boring.

Whoa... Contraband rocks!

Mighty tree of Rock 'n Roll in a forest of Pop

And most of Ska is crap

You've really never enjoyed a good skank have you?
<Shakes head in despair>

Whoa... Contraband rocks!

Mighty tree of Rock 'n Roll in a forest of Pop

I had high hopes for "Contraband" actually..."Slither" was a great song. Then I heard the album and heard the band coasting like crazy...I mean, yeah the band does provide a few things that other rock acts don't (like a guitar solo here and there), but I've come to expect A LOT more from Slash, Scott Weiland & Co. I just see it as potential wasted.

You've really never enjoyed a good skank have you?
<Shakes head in despair>

We apparently have two very different definitions of the word "skank". For my definition, yes, I have enjoyed a good skank. For your definition, no, probably not.

I had high hopes for "Contraband" actually..."Slither" was a great song. Then I heard the album and heard the band coasting like crazy...I mean, yeah the band does provide a few things that other rock acts don't (like a guitar solo here and there), but I've come to expect A LOT more from Slash, Scott Weiland & Co. I just see it as potential wasted.

I agree, they aren't as good as STP and STP could get really bland at times. Contraband sounds like rock for rock's sake, not really that good. And I really didn't like slither all that much either.

As for AFI, I did like it. I think MTV latched on to it because it was very "poppy", but still worked for both the pseudo-grunge crowd and the emo crowd. I haven't seen more than five videos on MTV in the last 2 years, though, so I don't get burnt out on that stuff like most people. Hell, I still like "Hey Ya" when I hear it.

We apparently have two very different definitions of the word "skank". For my definition, yes, I have enjoyed a good skank. For your definition, no, probably not.
If you're not sure about my definition of skanking, watch Rancid's 'Red Hot Moon' video. There's skanking in that. You'll know it when you see it.

Nirvana is by far the most overrated band of them all.

Followed perhaps by metallica

I agree, they aren't as good as STP and STP could get really bland at times. Contraband sounds like rock for rock's sake, not really that good. And I really didn't like slither all that much either.

As for AFI, I did like it. I think MTV latched on to it because it was very "poppy", but still worked for both the pseudo-grunge crowd and the emo crowd. I haven't seen more than five videos on MTV in the last 2 years, though, so I don't get burnt out on that stuff like most people. Hell, I still like "Hey Ya" when I hear it.

I really, really, really liked "Girl's Not Grey", but the rest of "Sing The Sorrow" I found to be verbosely childish. To me, it just sounded like dressed up ways to whine about rejection (kind of the same criticism I levied against Coheed & Cambria's latest album), being a HUGE disappointment after hearing the first single and what they'd done before (I found it ironic that the best song on the album was called "The Great Disappointment").

After reading a lot of this thread, I change my vote to the Sex Pistols

We apparently have two very different definitions of the word "skank". For my definition, yes, I have enjoyed a good skank. For your definition, no, probably not.

LOL!!!! :D

After reading a lot of this thread, I change my vote to the Sex Pistols

Yeah, i'd agree with that.

Oh, and shoot me dead, but Elvis. He's only popular because he was white and showed it was OK to make what was considered black music. Actually, reminds me of another overrated artist.

Well defend them, then. I like them, but they did more for Styx, Boston, and Foreigner than they did for real rock n' roll.

Stairway always, always, ALWAYS comes out #1 on the best classic songs list (at least on my radio station), and I just don't get it.

Well, for one I've never heard of the three you mention, and while I don't particularly care for Nirvana, I do know of them.

Thankyou. While I have heard of Primal Scream and Stone Roses, I don't know their music.

Whereas, even bands that found true success in the wake of Nirvana's success (IE. Soungarden, Sonic Youth, etc.) are probably more famous than those.

So yes, Nirvana were trailblazers- while they weren't the only ones of the era they were certainly the most prolific.

Stairway always, always, ALWAYS comes out #1 on the best classic songs list (at least on my radio station), and I just don't get it.

And it's one of their worst songs IMHO...

Yes, it is. The original wasn't great either.


People aren't buying it for the music. They're buying it for charidee. And then, hopefully, destroying it.

Lets hope tht ur right. I know im not gonna buy it

guns and roses. metallica. the latter are just motorhead wannabes. they're not bad, but they don't compare.

Overated? Evanescence.

Nirvana - Talentless, bad lyrics, lousy music. Though I guess considering the style of music played it's not so bad when you think about it. And after all, they did kill the hair bands popularity. But they were still heavivly overrated.

Radiohead - Radiohead sounds awesome. They sound like something Roger Waters and David Gilmour would record.



If they were 4 years old. ;)

Tool - Pretty similar to Radiohead in suckyness. Except turn up the gloom level %300 and make the lyrics even more dense & silly.

Evanescence - Eh their popularity will fade quickly. People will get tired of Amys crooning and their pseudo-gothic music as quickly as they became big.

While I haven't heard all that much of Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin, I'd have to list both of them as being the most overrated.

Radiohead is somewhat overrated, yes, especially since they peaked with "Pablo Honey"

While I haven't heard all that much of Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin, I'd have to list both of them as being the most overrated.

Radiohead is somewhat overrated, yes, especially since they peaked with "Pablo Honey"
idoit. Led and Pink, two of the greatest musical acts of all time, overrated. unless ur a kev, u really cant say tht

While I haven't heard all that much of Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin, I'd have to list both of them as being the most overrated.

Radiohead is somewhat overrated, yes, especially since they peaked with "Pablo Honey"

You're 12 years old, aren't you?

Most overrated band: The Dead Kennedy's

guns and roses. metallica. the latter are just motorhead wannabes. they're not bad, but they don't compare.

Well, you have to admit, at least they look better than Lemmy...

As for Jello Biafra: they'd have to be older than twelve as "Pablo Honey" came out in 1993.

As for Jello Biafra: they'd have to be older than twelve as "Pablo Honey" came out in 1993.

Thanks RomeW.

I remember when that came out (Pablo Honey), and I remeber thinking 'eh' :rolleyes:

I didn't think it was that long ago, now I feel super old. Thanks. :(

Most overrated band: The Dead Kennedy's

Definitely not. They may be a little overrated, but they're still very good. Saw them live in April - Jeff Penalty is no Jello Biafra, but still, you can't expect him to fully fill his shoes. And they were still fecking awesome. Having never seen them with Jello Biafra (sadly, that's what comes with being born in '85), I'm not able to compare (anyone who can?), but I've got Mutiny On The Bay, and Biafra's venom comes through even on CD.

No worries. Although I'd say "old" is seeing the Cub Scouts you used to look after start driving cars. :S

Definitely not. They may be a little overrated, but they're still very good.

I know, that was a jab at the Jello on this board.

I'm not really into the punk thing though, at least not any more.

Most overrated musician: Kenny G.

I notice that a load of older guys are talkin now, so no offence but the rest of us will keep our own convos on our music etc, coz personally, as a 15 yr old, i have neva heard of the Dead Kennedys

I notice that a load of older guys are talkin now, so no offence but the rest of us will keep our own convos on our music etc, coz personally, as a 15 yr old, i have neva heard of the Dead Kennedys

Don't worry. We'll just beat you with our canes as a result ;)

I notice that a load of older guys are talkin now, so no offence but the rest of us will keep our own convos on our music etc, coz personally, as a 15 yr old, i have neva heard of the Dead Kennedys

Don't worry, you kids have your cheap imitations of real punk bands. Like Yellowcard or Story of the Year or any of the other Green Day quasi punk rip offs.

Corporate rock sucks.

I notice that a load of older guys are talkin now, so no offence but the rest of us will keep our own convos on our music etc, coz personally, as a 15 yr old, i have neva heard of the Dead Kennedys
Know your history and you'll know what you've been missing out on

Know your history and you'll know what you've been missing out on

Il try. but u know, exams coming up, etc, musical hgistory aint high on my list of things to do rite now lol

Emperor, Immortal, Darkthrone, Graveland, etc...

Definitely not. They may be a little overrated, but they're still very good. Saw them live in April - Jeff Penalty is no Jello Biafra, but still, you can't expect him to fully fill his shoes. And they were still fecking awesome. Having never seen them with Jello Biafra (sadly, that's what comes with being born in '85), I'm not able to compare (anyone who can?), but I've got Mutiny On The Bay, and Biafra's venom comes through even on CD.
An ultra trendy, and horribly hyped band for sure, but classic nonetheless. I'll just say there were far better bands to come out of their scene (California hXc) that gained less recognition.

idoit. Led and Pink, two of the greatest musical acts of all time, overrated. unless ur a kev, u really cant say tht
Led Zeppelin didn't release anything noteworthy until Led Zeppelin IV. "Whole Lotta Love", for instance, is a terrible song.
If "Comfortably Numb" and "Wish You Were Here" two okay, but not great songs are representative of Pink Floyd's catalog, then, yes, they're overrated as well.
And I have no idea what a "Kev" is, so maybe I am one.

Most overrated band: The Dead Kennedy's
Nah, they're rated at about where they should be. Not deserving of more recognition, except that they inspired a lot of heavy metal bands, but that's more of recognition of influence rather than the quality of their music.

Definitely not. They may be a little overrated, but they're still very good. Saw them live in April - Jeff Penalty is no Jello Biafra, but still, you can't expect him to fully fill his shoes. And they were still fecking awesome. Having never seen them with Jello Biafra (sadly, that's what comes with being born in '85), I'm not able to compare (anyone who can?), but I've got Mutiny On The Bay, and Biafra's venom comes through even on CD.
Why did you see the Jello-less Dead Kennedys?

Are Oasis and old band?

I know this will sound stupid but I've heard alot about Oasis but never actually heard one of their songs (that I know is by them).

What famous songs did they do?

Are Oasis and old band?

I know this will sound stupid but I've heard alot about Oasis but never actually heard one of their songs (that I know is by them).

What famous songs did they do?
wonderwall

"I said maybeeeeeee..." Nothing?

wonderwall

"I said maybeeeeeee..." Nothing?
Lol and you quote the only song I like by them lol

And I second stones along with Elvis


(many more but I will get into that later)

Queen. Nothing comes close to that hype.


Bohemian Rhapsody is one of my favorite songs. Burn the witch!!!

Ok Computer and the Bends are great Radiohead albums, most definitely not overrated

Dude, Nirvana aren't overrated, they're good

Dude, Nirvana aren't overrated, they're good
good but not great

Personally I find a lot of the Beatles stuf is over rated.

Nirvana, The Beatles and Oasis. Anyone?

Nirvana definitely, the other two have produced some of the world's finest ballads so definitely not.

In my opinion the most over-rated musician is Elvis Presly while Nirvana are the most over-rated band.

Personally I find a lot of the Beatles stuf is over rated.
Agreed ... catchy but mind numbing

Nirvana definitely, the other two have produced some of the world's finest ballads so definitely not.

In my opinion the most over-rated musician is Elvis Presly while Nirvana are the most over-rated band.
Lol I said elvis too ... deffinatly agree

Though beatles are close in my opinion

Agreed ... catchy but mind numbing
I wasn't expecting that. Maybe it has to do with my geographical location or that I have nearly been run over by the Magical Mystery Tour Bus several times (I used to live opposite Penny Lane).

I agree Nirvana were extremely overrated. They didn't invent indie rock - they didn't really even invent their own sound. They came in on the coattails of bands like Soundgarden, Mudhoney and the Melvins. They weren't even an especially popular band on their old label SubPop after their first recording was released. But Smells Like Teen Spirit was so poppy and accessible that it put them in the limelight and they became the poster children for an entire indie and post-punk movement that had been going on for over a decade before them. Someone else mentioned Happy Mondays and Stone Roses, but those bands are so lightweight I can't imagine anyone crediting them with inventing indie "rock." Maybe in England, but they were kind of a novelty in America. Joy Division is worth talking about as an influence, but not the others.

Oasis is probably only overrated if you live in the UK. You never hear about them in America at all anymore. But 5 or 10 years ago they were overrated. Radiohead is also not overrated here - they kind of dropped off the radar screen, only to be replaced by Coldplay, who is somewhat overrated (but whom I really like).

The Beatles' influence on music is so profound it's hard to imagine what it would have been like without them. They were the first group to produce albums that were an integrated whole, rather than a group of singles, and their production techniques were revolutionary. I'll grant that they may be overrated somewhat because they do get so much attention, but one thing that hurts them is that their music no longer sounds as distinct as it once did - because so many have followed in their footsteps.

I agree about the Stones - they should have hung it up about 25 years ago, and even then, their best work was done before 1975. Same with Pink Floyd, although I do like the Wall. But they were much cooler as a psychedelic band. After Dark Side of the Moon I think they went downhill.

definately Queen and rap/ hip hop/ whatever

Well, what a crock -

Queen? QUEEN? They're more underrated than overrated, considerin they're still just seen as silly glam tarts in Spandex - watch Wembley '86 and you'll see how much Queen should be honoured as rock giants.

The Beatles and Elvis - they come from an era when you actually couldnt BE that famous without huge amounts of talent to back it up. They are the best two examples of pop done right - and in Elvis' case, lifestyle done wrong.

Well, what a crock -

Queen? QUEEN? They're more underrated than overrated, considerin they're still just seen as silly glam tarts in Spandex - watch Wembley '86 and you'll see how much Queen should be honoured as rock giants.

The Beatles and Elvis - they come from an era when you actually couldnt BE that famous without huge amounts of talent to back it up. They are the best two examples of pop done right - and in Elvis' case, lifestyle done wrong.

It's interesting to hear so many of you say Queen is overrated - in the U.S. they're hardly mentioned anymore. And I think they were great.

EMINEM is so overrated now. He used to be good...the marshal mathers LP and the slim shady lp were amazing but now he isnt even rhyming anything and he sings instead of raps. Just pitiful.

Nirvanna is so not overrated. They dominated the rock world for years. They are awsome.

Nirvanna is so not overrated. They dominated the rock world for years. They are awsome.
They dominated the Grunge world … and only because they had the only song anyone mainstream knew (not saying that is good or bad) but without “smells like teen spirit” they wouldn’t be known to half the people that recognize the name today
(hey I listen to all their music … does not stop them from almost being a 1 hit wonder)

Nirvanna is so not overrated. They dominated the rock world for years. They are awsome.

They had three popular albums and an MTV Unplugged set. 2 years after the release of Nevermind, the band released its last studio album, and 6 months later Cobain was dead.

They dominated the Grunge world … and only because they had the only song anyone mainstream knew (not saying that is good or bad) but without “smells like teen spirit” they wouldn’t be known to half the people that recognize the name today
(hey I listen to all their music … does not stop them from almost being a 1 hit wonder)

And without Butch Vig's slick, poppy production of Nevermind they never would have appealed to the frat-boy crowd. Cobain struggled with the fact that the band were "corporate rock sell-outs" as he described it. If HE thought they were overrated, why can't I?

Why did you see the Jello-less Dead Kennedys?
It only cost £10, East Bay Ray's still with them, and I get to say that I've seen the DK's live. Oh, and there's never any chance of Biafra rejoining, so there's no point in waiting just in case.

Question: What is the definition of overrated?

Example: Menudo

Question: Don't you have to be good to be overrated? Isn't that how that works? If it hadn't been for the "Where Are They Now" type shows on VH1 I would have never heard of bands like Menudo, and I was alive and well when they were supposedly "popular."

But judging from what I feel is overrated--that which I could never understand how a band, singer, whatever got so popular--for a long time I said bands like Nirvana, The Rolling Stones, blah, blah, blah.

But the more I thought about it, I suppose that Nirvana made sense. It gave people who didn't want to shower anymore an anti-hero. And it gave those people who didn't want to get a job, or become a healthy, productive member of society a reason to hate the "establishment." And it also gave creed to a guy who couldn't even stand himself long enough to make a "career."

And the Rolling Stones...well, I still never have really understood that one. I guess if you write the same song over and over again, with bad lyrics, and a quasi-catchy hook, and you plug two of the ugliest guys the world has ever produced and call them, "legends", inevitably people are going to love them.

But to what the criticism that was said about rap singers, or the rap genre in general, all I ask is that someone try and write the lines that some of those people write, and rhyme some of the stuff that they rhyme, and have it all make sense. True, a lot of it is disposable. But there are some modern poets out there too, like Nas, or Jay Z, or the late Notorious BIG, Tupac, or whatever. As for Eminem and 50 Cent, or some like Ludacris, hell if you can't laugh to some of the stuff that they say, I guess that isn't your sense of humor. But man, some of that is damn funny.

The Beatles' influence on music is so profound it's hard to imagine what it would have been like without them. They were the first group to produce albums that were an integrated whole, rather than a group of singles, and their production techniques were revolutionary. I'll grant that they may be overrated somewhat because they do get so much attention, but one thing that hurts them is that their music no longer sounds as distinct as it once did - because so many have followed in their footsteps.



Now, I'm FAR from 12 years old, but neither am I old enough to have "been there". However, in a college music history (history of rock, to be precise) class, we were taught that Pet Sounds (yes, the Beach Boys) in 1966 was the first concept album, which I take to mean what you refer to above. I am also quite of the opinion that much of what the Beatles (and Elvis) did was actually not terribly original but they made it popular, thus spawning a ton of copies of them and making them seem to be trail-blazers. I'm sure some of their (particularly later) efforts were truly original, but quite a lot of it not so much. I'm sorry I don't have any particulars handy to back that up at the moment, so I'm prepared to be shot down. :)

Il try. but u know, exams coming up, etc, musical hgistory aint high on my list of things to do rite now lol

Spelling either? ;)

And without Butch Vig's slick, poppy production of Nevermind they never would have appealed to the frat-boy crowd. Cobain struggled with the fact that the band were "corporate rock sell-outs" as he described it. If HE thought they were overrated, why can't I?
but then they came out with In Utero...most definitely not overrated or poppy

Bruce Springsteen

Who ever said he could sing?

Bruce Springsteen

Who ever said he could sing?
No one, he can't. He is only popular because it is kewl to like him. He is a shit artist, a shit person, and his music sucks.

Bruce Springsteen

Who ever said he could sing?

I'm English and think Springsteen is ok. Not brilliant but ok.

By the way, we've never give him a number one so don't look at us as to why he's carrid on playing.

Now, I'm FAR from 12 years old, but neither am I old enough to have "been there". However, in a college music history (history of rock, to be precise) class, we were taught that Pet Sounds (yes, the Beach Boys) in 1966 was the first concept album, which I take to mean what you refer to above. I am also quite of the opinion that much of what the Beatles (and Elvis) did was actually not terribly original but they made it popular, thus spawning a ton of copies of them and making them seem to be trail-blazers. I'm sure some of their (particularly later) efforts were truly original, but quite a lot of it not so much. I'm sorry I don't have any particulars handy to back that up at the moment, so I'm prepared to be shot down. :)

You might be right about Pet Sounds, but I never really thought of it as a "concept" album like Sgt. Pepper. Then again, I was thinking more of Rubber Soul and Revolver, which predated Pet Sounds. They're not really concept albums either, but they showed an experimentalism and a sense of cohesiveness that most others did not at that time. I agree with you 100% about Elvis, but I think the Beatles were far more original and diverse than the Beach Boys. Just an opinion.

but then they came out with In Utero...most definitely not overrated or poppy

I didn't like it much, but that's just a personal opinion. I'll grant you it's not poppy. But would Nirvana have made it big on the basis of In Utero? (Then again, would the Beatles have made it big on the basis of Let it Be or the White Album. No way.

I like Nirvana alright; my beef with them is that they suddenly were credited with creating an indie scene that many people had been following for years.

Coldplay

Chris Martin's voice actually irritates me.

Led Zeppelin didn't release anything noteworthy until Led Zeppelin IV. "Whole Lotta Love", for instance, is a terrible song.
If "Comfortably Numb" and "Wish You Were Here" two okay, but not great songs are representative of Pink Floyd's catalog, then, yes, they're overrated as well.
And I have no idea what a "Kev" is, so maybe I am one.

Communication Breakdown? Dazed and Confused? Heartbreaker? Moby Dick? Immigrant Song? Celebration Day? Since I've been Loving you?

Just wondering here...

But with every bashing these popular artists, who exactly do people see as not being overrated?

Pink Floyd's The Wall is the most overrated, self indulgent piece of pop-music crap I've ever heard.

Great band, crappy album.

Another thing I found interesting...

While killing time at the mall I checked out the Rolling Stone issue with the Top 500 Songs of All Time and looking over the breakdown of them by decades it was an eye-opener. There were, if I remember correctly, about 350 of the 500 songs to come from the 60's-70's, and it fell all the way to a single digit by the 2000's. Whatever the numbers were, the point I am trying to make, or see people's opinions on is whether or not this is just a product of people thinking that everything else that came before them is better, or is it that since the takeover of disco in the late 70's, has the world been on a thirty year bender and everything that came thereafter, or a vast majority of it, has been more or less crap?

All music we see on channels like MTV these days is overrated. Everything from the vomit-inducing pop music to the retarded urban hip-hop movement to the watered-down, shitty, fake "nu-metal" scene is complete trash. How can anyone listen to this stuff?

Another thing I found interesting...

While killing time at the mall I checked out the Rolling Stone issue with the Top 500 Songs of All Time and looking over the breakdown of them by decades it was an eye-opener. There were, if I remember correctly, about 350 of the 500 songs to come from the 60's-70's, and it fell all the way to a single digit by the 2000's. Whatever the numbers were, the point I am trying to make, or see people's opinions on is whether or not this is just a product of people thinking that everything else that came before them is better, or is it that since the takeover of disco in the late 70's, has the world been on a thirty year bender and everything that came thereafter, or a vast majority of it, has been more or less crap?

I think the main reason for the disparity between the number of older and newer songs, when talking about greatest songs of all time, is that it is difficult to determine the value and importance of a song that might only be a year or two old. Think of Celine Dion's Titanic song. For two months it was heard EVERYWHERE. Then it was gone. Who even remembers the lyrics anymore?

You need a little time and distance to evaluate a song's true impact.

Communication Breakdown? Dazed and Confused? Heartbreaker? Moby Dick? Immigrant Song? Celebration Day? Since I've been Loving you?
Black Dog? Battle of Evermore? Going to California? Kashmir? (...the list goes on) Point being, Zeppelin is by no means overrated.

All music we see on channels like MTV these days is overrated. Everything from the vomit-inducing pop music to the retarded urban hip-hop movement to the watered-down, shitty, fake "nu-metal" scene is complete trash. How can anyone listen to this stuff?

I have to agree mostly, which is why i am an odd 15 yr old. i dont watch MTV, other than Pimp my Ride

I think the main reason for the disparity between the number of older and newer songs, when talking about greatest songs of all time, is that it is difficult to determine the value and importance of a song that might only be a year or two old. Think of Celine Dion's Titanic song. For two months it was heard EVERYWHERE. Then it was gone. Who even remembers the lyrics anymore?

You need a little time and distance to evaluate a song's true impact.

I more or less agree, but the main thing to remember is that in any list it is completely subjective. You and I could name a list of the 500 best songs ever and we'd each come up with 500 completely different songs (or, at the very least, completely different lists). Also, no matter how hard one tries, biases will always seep in, and biases will always cloud an "authoritative" list as it cannot speak to everyone (in Rolling Stone's case it's a classic example of the current indie-rock belief that anything released prior to 1980 isn't worth our time, especially if it was a pop song). Lists like these have to include every genre and simply not exclude something because it was released this year or because it's country (I've just skimmed the list, but I don't believe I ever saw a country song on the list, which hurts the list's credibility right there). Besides, these lists are just to incite debate anyway.

Regardless, having read RS for a whole year (2003) I've come to the conclusion that RS isn't very authoritative at all. The reviewers pander too much to record company whims (e.g. Liz Phair's self-titled album) or to the indie-rock crowd (badly too, I must say, as far too often it appears like they insert swear words just to sound "hip"), as very rarely will a pop or AC album get a favourable review or any meaningful attention at all, and too many of RS' attempts to "branch out" into other genres are laughable at best (I remember in their "metal update" they looked for "the next System Of A Down" and listed four bands that no metal fan would genuinely care about. Plus, I can remember they slammed Voivod because non-metal fans wouldn't like them. What, did they think Britney Spears fans would want to listen Voivod?). Plus, it's rather telling that RS, in the span of a year, have issued four "authoritative" lists- the 50 Best Albums, 50 Best Guitarists, 50 Greatest Artists and now the 500 Best Songs of All Time. Readership problem, no?

I more or less agree, but the main thing to remember is that in any list it is completely subjective. You and I could name a list of the 500 best songs ever and we'd each come up with 500 completely different songs (or, at the very least, completely different lists). Also, no matter how hard one tries, biases will always seep in, and biases will always cloud an "authoritative" list as it cannot speak to everyone (in Rolling Stone's case it's a classic example of the current indie-rock belief that anything released prior to 1980 isn't worth our time, especially if it was a pop song). Lists like these have to include every genre and simply not exclude something because it was released this year or because it's country (I've just skimmed the list, but I don't believe I ever saw a country song on the list, which hurts the list's credibility right there). Besides, these lists are just to incite debate anyway.

Regardless, having read RS for a whole year (2003) I've come to the conclusion that RS isn't very authoritative at all. The reviewers pander too much to record company whims (e.g. Liz Phair's self-titled album) or to the indie-rock crowd (badly too, I must say, as far too often it appears like they insert swear words just to sound "hip"), as very rarely will a pop or AC album get a favourable review or any meaningful attention at all, and too many of RS' attempts to "branch out" into other genres are laughable at best (I remember in their "metal update" they looked for "the next System Of A Down" and listed four bands that no metal fan would genuinely care about. Plus, I can remember they slammed Voivod because non-metal fans wouldn't like them. What, did they think Britney Spears fans would want to listen Voivod?). Plus, it's rather telling that RS, in the span of a year, have issued four "authoritative" lists- the 50 Best Albums, 50 Best Guitarists, 50 Greatest Artists and now the 500 Best Songs of All Time. Readership problem, no?

Indie rock is largely based on 60s/70s pop. The Beatles, the Kinks, and The Beach Boys, and The Velvet Underground are probably the three most influencial bands in Indie music.

Rolling Stone loves old pop music. And they never say anything good about indie music. The only people they will give a 5 star has to be dead, dying, or Beck. The rest gets from a 2.5 to a 3.5, with a few stragglers who manage to buy a 4 star rating.

Indie rock is largely based on 60s/70s pop. The Beatles, the Kinks, and The Beach Boys, and The Velvet Underground are probably the three most influencial bands in Indie music.

Rolling Stone loves old pop music. And they never say anything good about indie music. The only people they will give a 5 star has to be dead, dying, or Beck. The rest gets from a 2.5 to a 3.5, with a few stragglers who manage to buy a 4 star rating.

Yeah, but indie rockers (or, I should probably qualify, "indie" acts in general) get the majority of the favourable reviews- if it's unabashedly mainstream, like Nickelback or Michelle Branch, very rarely will RS give it a good score, and, if it does, it's almost always because it's "hot" and RS does not want to be caught flat-footed (I remember Beyonce's album received a 3/5 shortly after debuting at No. 1). Sure, there are those who would agree with RS in those regards, but the overall feeling I get from RS is that if it's Top 40 (or, for that matter, within RS' rather limited range of respectable artists) it will never get an objective review, which I believe is not fair. A reviewer's job is to objectively evaulate an album so that those who may be interested in buying the album have an idea if it's worth it or not, and if the reviewer goes into the review thinking it's going to be crap (and not being open to the idea that it may not be) then frankly they have no business even listening to the album.

Yeah, but indie rockers (or, I should probably qualify, "indie" acts in general) get the majority of the favourable reviews- if it's unabashedly mainstream, like Nickelback or Michelle Branch, very rarely will RS give it a good score, and, if it does, it's almost always because it's "hot" and RS does not want to be caught flat-footed (I remember Beyonce's album received a 3/5 shortly after debuting at No. 1). Sure, there are those who would agree with RS in those regards, but the overall feeling I get from RS is that if it's Top 40 (or, for that matter, within RS' rather limited range of respectable artists) it will never get an objective review, which I believe is not fair. A reviewer's job is to objectively evaulate an album so that those who may be interested in buying the album have an idea if it's worth it or not, and if the reviewer goes into the review thinking it's going to be crap (and not being open to the idea that it may not be) then frankly they have no business even listening to the album.

Oh, don't get me wrong, RS is shit. But I don't think you will see to many indie albums recieve more than a 3.5.

That stuff on the radio...you know, all of it.

Oh, don't get me wrong, RS is shit. But I don't think you will see to many indie albums recieve more than a 3.5.

Yeah, but at least they get favourable reviews. They may not get that four or five star pillar, but RS will still like it (and I think The Strokes' "Room On Fire" received four stars if I'm not mistaken). If it's Top 40 though, forget it: RS will hate it.

Another thing I noticed about RS' list: it's from a panel including songwriters, music executives, producers and musicians, most of whom (I'd presume) were raised and/or inspiried to start their craft in the 1960s and 1970s. That partially explains the disparity.

Yeah, but at least they get favourable reviews. They may not get that four or five star pillar, but RS will still like it (and I think The Strokes' "Room On Fire" received four stars if I'm not mistaken). If it's Top 40 though, forget it: RS will hate it.

The Strokes are definitely top-40.

I will give you that RS busts a nut over every indie band that makes it big or is supposed to make it big.

It only cost £10, East Bay Ray's still with them, and I get to say that I've seen the DK's live. Oh, and there's never any chance of Biafra rejoining, so there's no point in waiting just in case.
Yes, but you're basically giving them more money with which to file meritless lawsuits against Jello Biafra.

I agree Nirvana were extremely overrated. They didn't invent indie rock - they didn't really even invent their own sound. They came in on the coattails of bands like Soundgarden, Mudhoney and the Melvins. They weren't even an especially popular band on their old label SubPop after their first recording was released.
Actually, while the first album didn't do as well as Mudhoney's "Every Good Boy Deserves Fudge", it did fairly well considering the limited airplay it got. Which is why they got a record deal from DGC.

Communication Breakdown? Dazed and Confused? Heartbreaker? Moby Dick? Immigrant Song? Celebration Day? Since I've been Loving you?
I listened to those first three albums, admittedly not closely, but nothing particularly stuck out at me, except for "Whole Lotta Love" being terrible, which I mentioned before.

I like Nirvana alright; my beef with them is that they suddenly were credited with creating an indie scene that many people had been following for years.
They aren't credited with creating the indie scene, they're credited with bringing it to the mainstream. Now, granted, I understand that that probably irritated a lot of those indie fans, who wanted their music to be obscure, but, personally, I never would have heard all of that fantastic music if it hadn't been for Nirvana. I shudder to think at what I would be listening to in its place.

They aren't credited with creating the indie scene, they're credited with bringing it to the mainstream. Now, granted, I understand that that probably irritated a lot of those indie fans, who wanted their music to be obscure, but, personally, I never would have heard all of that fantastic music if it hadn't been for Nirvana. I shudder to think at what I would be listening to in its place.

This is what I'm talking about:

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the point about Nirvana is what they started.. no-one gives a shit about how technically good or bad Cobain's songwriting and guitar technique was, it's all about what they created.
sure all the grunge bands are dead and buried but Cobain's angry and tormented lyrics paved the way for hundreds of bands like Korn for example and the vast majority of the bands at the end of the 90's
You still get bands saying Nirvana influenced them now.

This is what I'm talking about:

the point about Nirvana is what they started.. no-one gives a shit about how technically good or bad Cobain's songwriting and guitar technique was, it's all about what they created.
sure all the grunge bands are dead and buried but Cobain's angry and tormented lyrics paved the way for hundreds of bands like Korn for example and the vast majority of the bands at the end of the 90's
You still get bands saying Nirvana influenced them now.
Right, because Nirvana became mainstream, a lot of people heard them who otherwise wouldn't have heard that type of music, and started bands based upon it. Certainly there are bands who formed after Nirvana hit that played that type of music, but weren't influenced by Nirvana. But many more were, because Nirvana's popularity brought it to them.

Although I have to criticize the original poster for bringing Korn into the conversation....yecch.

The Strokes are definitely top-40.

I will give you that RS busts a nut over every indie band that makes it big or is supposed to make it big.

I think The Strokes as Top-40 is a stretch...they're more of a hit on "rock" radio than on contemporary pop stations (I don't believe they've ever cracked the Billboard Top 40 for instance).

Though that, yes, is what I was trying to get at: indie bands that are supposed to be "big" get special treatment from RS, and not just them but magazines like Spin and Blender.

I was just about to say before I read the last post, I definetely wouldn't consider The Strokes Top 40. I mean to be Top 40, don't you have to show up on Top 40 radio? Or even the Top 50 Albums?

I can honestly say that outside of college radio, I have never heard The Strokes on the radio.

Nirvana, Sex Pistols, all punk bands, all emotional bands *lostprophets* The beatles are all overated.

All punk bands?

Would you throw The Clash, The Ramones, and early Elvis Costello into that grouping?

That's easy, country western.

Anyone who says Queen, GnR, Pink Floyd or Led Zeppelin are overrated, they need to be slapped, shot and slapped again. Every one of those bands made music that has retained it's status in our culture. I'll just mention a couple per group.
Queen- Another one bites the dust- Played everywhere, especially sporting events; Bohemian Rhapsody- Who doesn't sing this song with friends or in the car? Not only that, but the lead singer, Freddie Mercury continued performing music up until he died with AIDS. What other musician can you honestly identify playing up to their death, knowing they had a terminal illness?
GnR- Welcome to the Jungle, Knockin on Heaven's door ( I know there are better, I'm at a loss of songs)
Pink Floyd- "We don't need no education" Let's face it, whether you have heard it 1,000,000 times, or 1 time, it's a classic. In schools, kids sing it to this day. Comfortably Numb- just hearing the song feels like you've become "comfortably numb" when you hear it. Hey You, Dark Side of the Moon, Run Like Hell, Time, crap, I've said more than a couple songs :)
Led Zeppelin- Immigrant Song, If you know this song, you'll instantly have that riff in your head; Heartbreaker, The Ocean. Cadillac uses parts of LZ's "Rock and Roll" to advertise its cars.

I agree with you and Nirvana's overrated status. It seems martyrdom instantly propels people to god like status. 2 Pac, Puff Daddy, need I say more? ;)

Definitely Nirvana and Oasis.

Queen and Pink Floyd are classics...period.

Then there's classical...are very...classic...

But sticking to this thread...I'd have to say that nothing really exciting has really come out in the past 10 years...the general shift from pop (Back Street boys, Britney Speares, N'SYNC, 98 degrees) to rap has heavily taxed my life and sanity. Then there's the heavy metal where the 'guitarist' tortures his guitar and screams (literally) monosyllabic cuss words for 3 minutes because he hates life and seems to think that many other people care.

the point about Nirvana is what they started.. no-one gives a shit about how technically good or bad Cobain's songwriting and guitar technique was, it's all about what they created.
sure all the grunge bands are dead and buried but Cobain's angry and tormented lyrics paved the way for hundreds of bands like Korn for example and the vast majority of the bands at the end of the 90's
You still get bands saying Nirvana influenced them now.
Yeah a shitty band influenced other shitty bands. I fail to see the good part about Nirvana influencing a bunch of talentless angst-rock. :rolleyes:

All punk bands?

Would you throw The Clash, The Ramones, and early Elvis Costello into that grouping?

Yes I would. At most all those bands could play was 3 chords. Now G N'R have got talent. Even the new GN'R sounds promising.

Yes I would. At most all those bands could play was 3 chords. Now G N'R have got talent. Even the new GN'R sounds promising.

But they can make music out of power chords. Technical proficiency is the wrong way to look at music. It's the passion and desire to put that into music that makes a good song. Not whether or not you can create a piece with a bunch of weird chords no-one has ever heard of. Which GN'R don't do anyway.