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Well it didn't. As we all know it was faked up as part of a leftist crypto fascist conspiracy.

But that is not really what interests me here, I am now gathering evidence that world war two was faked.

So far my results are pretty conclusive. I think at this point it is safe to say that the whole thing was pre-arranged by the powers that be in order to make it look like there was some form of "global" conflict between the major powers. But really what was the result. At the end of the day, pretty, much everyone ended up where they were before the war, so what was the point?

I'll tell you, it was a crypto fascist plot to justify the increase in government authority. Prove me wrong.

Ah this is the flame war you spoke of. Good luck, you're gonna need it.

-snip-

*shrug*

It's a shot in the dark...

Good luck on the war though.

http://mothra.rerf.or.jp/ENG/A-bomb/photo-1/p9.jpg

*shrug*

It's a shot in the dark...

Good luck on the war though.

Didn't say the fighting didn't happen. My point is that is was all pre-arranged and the version we got is twisted.

I'm guessing that any proof we pull out of history books you will claim has been altered by "the Man" to help fake the war. Of course, this also means that you have no proof. I guess we'll just have to go ask someone who actually fought in the war, like my grandfather, or ask someone who was put into a concentration camp, like my neighbor back home. They both say that the war happened and the Holocaust was real. Is that proof enough?

Well it didn't. As we all know it was faked up as part of a leftist crypto fascist conspiracy.

But that is not really what interests me here, I am now gathering evidence that world war two was also faked.

So far my results are pretty conclusive. I think at this point it is safe to say that the whole thing was pre-arranged by the powers that be in order to make it look like there was some form of "global" conflict between the major powers. But really what was the result. At the end of the day, pretty ,uch everyone ended up where they were before the war, so what waqs the point.

I'll tell you, it was a crypto fascist plot to justify the increase in government authority. Prove me wrong.

This is a pretty stupid thread.

But I will reply anyway.

There were tremendous political changes that took place due to WW2. Ever heard of superpowers? Ever heard of the Cold War? Germany was split in two.

Well one of my Great-uncles liberated a couple camps and what he saw haunted him for the rest of his life.

In fact he would take a swing at you for suggesting it was fake.

Ahh well good luck.

This thread is really just spam.

So I'm supposed to believe what you guys are telling me over the internet, how do I know y'all aren't bigger liars than the text book writers?

While the concept of WWII not happening is idioticly insane at best. (The countries did NOT end up where they started. Only in the last two decades are some countries where they were at before.)

The Cold War was most definitly a conspiracy.

No fighting. And in the end, congress gave the OK to develop and manufacture more nukes.

The only way congress could give such an OK is if they felt we needed them. So how do we get more nukes? Make it seem like we need them. Find an ol' ally who we know we're on friendly terms with since WWII, but still have some animosity with, so the whole thing seems real... and set a deal to pretend to be at conflict.

Notice how Russia has been a global superpower? Notice how America has been at the top of the nuke game?

While the concept of WWII not happening is idioticly insane at best. (The countries did NOT end up where they started. Only in the last two decades are some countries where they were at before.)

The Cold War was most definitly a conspiracy.

No fighting. And in the end, congress gave the OK to develop and manufacture more nukes.

The only way congress could give such an OK is if they felt we needed them. So how do we get more nukes? Make it seem like we need them. Find an ol' ally who we know we're on friendly terms with since WWII, but still have some animosity with, so the whole thing seems real... and set a deal to pretend to be at conflict.

Notice how Russia has been a global superpower? Notice how America has been at the top of the nuke game?


Like I said the whole thing was pre-arranged to produce exactly what you are describing. Not all the participants were willing. C'mon, the marshall plan for godsakes.

Like I said the whole thing was pre-arranged to produce exactly what you are describing. Not all the participants were willing. C'mon, the marshall plan for godsakes.
Good point...how do you suppose the dead bodies in Stalingrad held their breaths for so long?

Well it didn't. As we all know it was faked up as part of a leftist crypto fascist conspiracy.

But that is not really what interests me here, I am now gathering evidence that world war two was also faked.

So far my results are pretty conclusive. I think at this point it is safe to say that the whole thing was pre-arranged by the powers that be in order to make it look like there was some form of "global" conflict between the major powers. But really what was the result. At the end of the day, pretty, much everyone ended up where they were before the war, so what was the point?

I'll tell you, it was a crypto fascist plot to justify the increase in government authority. Prove me wrong.

Would you care to impart some of this evidence you have gathered?

YES! I am so glad some has the balls to stand up to the Illuminati and their schemeing ways. MKULTRA would be proud of you. Way to go!

Good point...how do you suppose the dead bodies in Stalingrad held their breaths for so long?

Well they were dead of course, :rolleyes:

The point is the whole thing was pre-arranged. Like wrestling.

Good point...how do you suppose the dead bodies in Stalingrad held their breaths for so long?



When no one was looking, they'd take a deep breath.

Yes World War II was staged! George Bush's Cruise missles are filled with Toys for the Iraqi childern! And the MLB spies on every American in a big business conspiracy. MTV is looking to Abolish literacy through subliminal messages they put into songs. And the NHL lockout is a dispute about African childern being better at Soccer then Chineese childern.

Need I go on?

From the conclusion of this author of this thread, Lacadaemon does not exist and shall be wiped from the history of NS as fiction. Any post by Lacadaemon is a fiction by NS historians and should be disregarded.

Hey, it doesn't stop there. The Lunar landing was faked too. :)

And Mods NEVER read threads....;)

And Santa Claus (a.k.a. Satan), with his evil minions Merry Poppins (a.k.a Mrs. Claus), the Easter Bunny (who's actually a space alien), are secretly plotting to make every child commit the sins of greed and glutony so Santa can harvest their immortal souls.

This thread is quickly devolving into your "favorite conspiracy theory".

Loved the last one - keep it up!

Dear god, I hope you are kidding. Anyone and I mean absolutely anyone who thinks WWII was all fake is just out there to piss me off, well you did it. There is so much evidence, real hold it in your hands evidence. It sickens me that people out there feel this way about such an event. It takes away from the heartache and perseverance of the people who put their life on the line, many of them losing it. So if you want to see for yourself, go to Dachau, Auschwitz or any other camp, you can still smell the burnt flesh in the ovens.

Hey, I got one.
The (American) War of Indepence never happened. The British decided they were tired of the extra natural resources they received from their colonies and willingly gave up their chunk of the new world. The colonists then 'fabricated' a conflict so as to establish a sense of unity within their new nation!

Or, on a WW2 aspect: The Rape of Nanking: also faked. The thousands of decapitated heads and horribly mutilated bodies of Chinese civilians? All paper mache models. The 'evil' text books made that event up as well to demonize the Japanese!

Curse documented history! Curse it, I say!

But seriously people, you can take almost any historical event and argue that it's faked, ignoring photo evidence, living survivors....etc...

I'm just surprised that the guy who started this thread didn't choose an older event (e.g. the Crusades or the Conquest of the New World).... you know, a conflict that doesn't have witnesses that are still alive today.

Well it didn't. As we all know it was faked up as part of a leftist crypto fascist conspiracy.

But that is not really what interests me here, I am now gathering evidence that world war two was also faked.

So far my results are pretty conclusive. I think at this point it is safe to say that the whole thing was pre-arranged by the powers that be in order to make it look like there was some form of "global" conflict between the major powers. But really what was the result. At the end of the day, pretty, much everyone ended up where they were before the war, so what was the point?

I'll tell you, it was a crypto fascist plot to justify the increase in government authority. Prove me wrong.if that's true, then Slavery was also made up. It's a conspiracy created just so that groups like the ACLU, and other "civil liberties" organizations can recieve their fundings, rewrite national morals and oppress the "decendents of the Great White Slavers." Pearl Harbor wasn't bombed, it was a massive renovation project of the Navy... it's all so clear now. Let's get rid of affirmative action and all these ethnic supporting organizations. after all, they're all baised off of lies. :rolleyes:

Well it didn't. As we all know it was faked up as part of a leftist crypto fascist conspiracy.

But that is not really what interests me here, I am now gathering evidence that world war two was also faked.

So far my results are pretty conclusive. I think at this point it is safe to say that the whole thing was pre-arranged by the powers that be in order to make it look like there was some form of "global" conflict between the major powers. But really what was the result. At the end of the day, pretty, much everyone ended up where they were before the war, so what was the point?

I'll tell you, it was a crypto fascist plot to justify the increase in government authority. Prove me wrong.

I can only assume this is a rhetorical exercise, because if you're serious, wow.

Now, as for the concept of "leftist crypto fascist conspiracy," I would like to know what the hell that means. Leftist and fascist do not go well together. And crypto isn't common polisci jargon. So what you would be talking about, from what I gather, is that leftists and fascists are really the same group and so is crypto , whatever that is.
As for your "conclusive" results...really? Conclusive ? Because conclusive pretty much means irrefutable, and based on authoritative evidence. It also means you would have to debunk all contradictory theories and information. And that's a lot to debunk.
You say pretty much everyone ended up where they were before the war. Hmmm... except that:
-Germany no longer existed as an independent state, but was split into spheres of influence and about a third to a quarter of it was brutally occupied by the Soviet Union.
-The United States became the first nuclear power and, along with the Soviet Union, turned the world into a playing field for a contest between superpowers.
-Japan ceased to be a major player in world affairs. Instead it was at the mercy of the United States.
-China achieved independence from Japanese domination and occupation, only to become a communist state itself (and then came the purges).
-French politics became dominated by a need to reassert itself as a world power, with disasterous results for its empire.
Really, this list is far too long to try to give the whole story.
-Oh yeah, the upwards of 50 million people killed in the war (some estimates substantially higher) didn't end up where they were before the war.
So I'd say if it were a conspiracy to start this war, some countries (like the ones that started it, for instance--Germany and Japan) were left out of the planning. And that doesn't make a lot of sense.

As for it being a fascist plot , that's kind of funny because fascist parties were on the rise throughout the world before the war, and afterwards were wholly discredited.

While I admit it did increase government authority in most cases (except in the countries that lost), that's the result of any war. The fact that the war benefitted governments does not mean that they planned it. That's not conclusive evidence.

You do (whether purposefully or not) raise an interesting point, though, which is how do we know if what we are told is true? We can never be absolutely certain about anything about history. If you did not personally witness something (and psychiatry, etc would say sometimes even if you think you did) you can't be sure it happened. So yes, it could all be a (very, very, very, very, very, very) elaborate hoax. But pragmatically, so what? How should that affect our lives?

Dear god, I hope you are kidding. Anyone and I mean absolutely anyone who thinks WWII was all fake is just out there to piss me off, well you did it. There is so much evidence, real hold it in your hands evidence. It sickens me that people out there feel this way about such an event. It takes away from the heartache and perseverance of the people who put their life on the line, many of them losing it. So if you want to see for yourself, go to Dachau, Auschwitz or any other camp, you can still smell the burnt flesh in the ovens.


In defense (I think) of the original thread, I believe the case being made isn't so much that none if it happened but that it happened for other reasons the ones history claims and that SOME of the events didn't happen. I hope there is a certain amount of inherent BS/let's-start-a-thread-to-piss-people-off at the heart of this thread, too, otherwise I have to join you in your outrage.

The creator of this thread is either terribly hateful, tragically ignorant or both. White-supremicy, American Nazis, Arian Nations...this whole thing makes me sick. It's not a harmless delusion. It's a potent advocation of hate.

It's a classic "Baring all evidence, this is true," argument

It's a classic "Baring all evidence, this is true," argument


Hooray! The argument built on sand! :D

As to the opening statement....wow..just...WOW. I've known some dumbasses in my time, but...wow.

The term "takes the cake" comes to mind.

Arrghh!! I see a big huge green ugly troll! It's staring at me!

Arrghh!! I see a big huge green ugly troll! It's staring at me!

Yeah, no kidding. :rolleyes:
I mean, the next time you decide you want to start some arbitrary flame-war (for reasons I can't really comprehend) you might want to tone it down a little so that people actually take you seriously. The second message in this thread is also a bit of a clue...


(Also, am I the only one who finds a nation named 'Lacadaemon' arguing against the government using military conflict to increase it's authority a little, well, ironic? For those of you not up on your history 'Lacadaemia' = 'Sparta')

I believe that Jews were put in camps, but the death numbers were not as high has been stated. I believe 100,000 - 200,000 people may have died (Not Just Jews) in the camps, and many of those from diseases. But wether it was 100,000 or 6million we are forgetting that for some group of people it has become big business which is quite sad. Many Jews use the term "Never Again" - when they stop receiving money from Germany, America, etc for what happened, they will stop with that term and start with "Never Enough"

I mean it is sad for those who died that it has become just as I pointed out, a Business...

Well it didn't. As we all know it was faked up as part of a leftist crypto fascist conspiracy.

But that is not really what interests me here, I am now gathering evidence that world war two was also faked.

So far my results are pretty conclusive. I think at this point it is safe to say that the whole thing was pre-arranged by the powers that be in order to make it look like there was some form of "global" conflict between the major powers. But really what was the result. At the end of the day, pretty, much everyone ended up where they were before the war, so what was the point?

Well let's see, 20+ million people died, I say that is a pretty big change, and the depression in the United States was finally over, the communists eventually gained control in China, Europe was split between a pro-Russian Eastern Europe and a pro-American Western Europe. Half the Jewish population in Europe was killed, France had almost no power, Germany was once again in ruin, the Russian landscape was drastically w changed and their power was greatly increased. Japan lost all it's power and territory gained in 30+ years of warfare with Russia and China along with two cities.

I'll tell you, it was a crypto fascist plot to justify the increase in government authority. Prove me wrong.

Well, I think that the fact that the two most powerful (only?) fascists governments in the world were completely destroyed proves that your theory has more holes than Swiss Cheese. So many racist, arrogant, bigots in the world, so few bullets. Almost every allied soldier who fought in the European Theater in 1944/45 can tell you that the Holocaust happened and that World War II sure as hell happened. BTW, if you are using a site with a name even remotely resembling something like, oh say, www.nazisontherise.org then you may want to try finding some credible sources. Try looking in an Encyclopedia, that is all based on what really happened, not what mister skinhead down the street who does not know how to read says.

Folks, the truth is getting out and so the

"HOLOCAUST"is going out of business.



Hurry and get your fake testamonials, your phoney

"human soap" and "human lamp shades". Get your post

WWII Soviet made "gas chambers" that the Nazi's NEVER

used. Get your head smashing machines and your mass

electrocuting conveyors....well, we can't find 'em

right now but war time propoganda assures us they

exist....somewhere.

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-There were NO gas chambers. Mass gassings is part of the myth.



66 Questions and Answers on the Holy-Cost

-Zyklon B was a commercially produced pesticide.

-Anne Frank died of Typhus as did most Jews in the camps.

-Six million Jews did NOT die. Roughly 1 million did of

starvation and disease towards the end of the war.

-Thousands of German camp guards died of Typhus as well.

-There was no "Holocaust". Germany had no program of genocide.

-Even after the Allies occupied the camps, many more thousands of

Jews died of disease.



Allied Occupation of the Camps

-Heads were shaved to reduce lice infestation - the main cause of

Typhus. Clothing was deloused with Zyklon B.

-Cremation was the only safe way to dispose of a Typhus victims body.

-Jews the world over formally declared war on Germany in March of 1933.

Jews conducted an international trade boycott and attempted to wreck

the German economy.

-When war broke out, Germany interred the Jews just as America did to

the Japanese. Had America been invaded and bombed to smitherines, many

Japanese would also have died of starvation and disease.

-The "Holocaust" is the biggest propaganda coup ever fabricated. It is a lie.

The reason the "Holocaust" was created was to prevent ANY and all criticism

of the Jewish theft of Palestine in the creation of Israel. The

"Holy-Hoax" automatically made anyone who criticized Jews an "anti-Semite".

-Anti-Jewish sentiment arose in Germany after World War I when it became

known that Jewish leaders had made a deal with Britian called the Balfour

Declaration. With this agreement, England promised Palestine to the

Jews in exchange for Jewish guarantee to get the United States into

the war. Both are historical facts. The "Holocaust" isn't.

-It was claimed that 4 million Jews died at Auschwitz. Then in the 1980's,

Jewish experts revised the number to 1.5 million, yet the 6 million myth

was never changed! With the fall of the Soviet empire, Russian archives

revealed that about 75 thousand perished at Auschwitz. The lie about 6

million remains!



Auschwitz: Myths and Facts

-Not one reputable Jewish historian now claims that Jews were rendered into

soap or made into lampshades. In Atlanta GA at the Oakland Cemetery is a

tombstone with the inscription "Here lies four bars of soap, the only

remains of four Jews". Total baloney!

The "Human Soap" Hoax

-The Holocaust never happened. If you don't believe it, start reading.



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Okay, how about this one: given that Hitler and his cronies were born at or near the turn of the century,

...

No, on second thought, I don't need the aggravation. scratch whatever it was I was going to expound on.

My bad, sorry.

Something stinks. Do I smell bullshit...?

Well it didn't. As we all know it was faked up as part of a leftist crypto fascist conspiracy.

But that is not really what interests me here, I am now gathering evidence that world war two was also faked.

So far my results are pretty conclusive. I think at this point it is safe to say that the whole thing was pre-arranged by the powers that be in order to make it look like there was some form of "global" conflict between the major powers. But really what was the result. At the end of the day, pretty, much everyone ended up where they were before the war, so what was the point?

I'll tell you, it was a crypto fascist plot to justify the increase in government authority. Prove me wrong.

I can't believe I'm going to entertain the thread by giving it a reply. Yeah the Holocaust never happened.:headbang: It was just a huge concpiracy. Camps like Auschwitz, Lublin-Majdanek, Buchenwald, Buchenwald, Buchenwald, Flossenbuerg, Dachau, Mauthausen, Neuengamme, and Bergen-Belsen never existed. One day a few thousand plus people wanted to play a huge joke on the world and decided to make it look like millions of Jews, Homosexuals, Gypsys, Government Officals that disagreed with Hitler, and supporters of freedom where killed. They just wanted to destroy the land by making town houses. :headbang: And Hitler, he was just a nice man who wanted world peace. And let's not froget those people that you say went back to their normal lives. I'm sure that Anne Frank's father went home to his wife and daughters when he was liberated? Oh wait a minute...they were dead. Killed in these supposed unreal camps. Elie Wiesel, he never went into a 'concentration camp'. That entire story of Night was just a bad dream the guy had when he was a little boy.

Think next time you write something like this. I can only prescribe this idoicy to higher education. You would've had to gone to college to say something this puerile. And from your lac of information I don't think you have.

um, Minoriland,

source?

credentials of source?

I hope your source isn't a fact-a-day calendar.

I wish they had fact-a-day calendars like that.

Well they were dead of course, :rolleyes:

The point is the whole thing was pre-arranged. Like wrestling.

No. The point is you are a fucking retard who despite all evidence to the contrary and your complete lack of evidence of any sort, still claim that the holocause never happened and that WWII was staged, if it was staged then it sure as hell did not happen as the planners had hoped, if it had then we would either A.) All be singing God Save the King, or B.) Learning about the history of Mother Russia while fearing we will be the victims of the next purge, or C.) Shouting Heil Hitler! Over and Over again while looking at a picture of a guy with the worst fucking mustache you will ever see.

Well, it's obvious none of you know anything about history. If you did, you'd see the patern.

World War II was a set piece, designed totally to declare the new world order, and at the same time make it palatable to the general public. Look at how it was fought:

1931: Japan invades manchuria. Reasult, So what.

1932: Resurgent German nationalism. Albert Speer meets secretly with western allies. All agree that hitler is perfect to take the fall. Germany agrees to lose western third in return for US support and massive post war rebuilding aid. Given the fact that Germany never had, and never will have an empire of consequence, the deal seems good in light of the reality of the rising power of the USSR. After all, half a loaf is better than non.

1934. Hitler becomes the Furhrer.

1935: Colonial and financial troubles force England and France to aquiese to the New World Order. They agree to play there part. France agrees to occupation in return for huge post war economic aid from the US, coupled with an agreement that comunism will be ruthlessly supressed.

1936: Inexplicably germany re-occupies the Rhineland on March 7th. It is clear the Locarno and versialles have been violated. Nevertheless, despite overwhelming military superiorty, France and England choose to describe the event as mo more than a man "choosing to stroll around in his own back yard."

1938: Anschluss of Austria. Post WWI Austria is to weak to have any say in this matter and in any case it looks perfectly rational in light of the re-occupation of the Rhineland.

1938: Muchich conference. Despite, again, having massive millitary superiorty over Germany at this point - especially when coupled with the native Czech forces - France and England once again allow Hitle's teritorial ambitions to bear fruit. It is clear at this point that a decisive attack upon Nazi Germany would destroy its mere 36 divisions and topple Hitler. Notwithstanding it is characterized as a conflict over "distant lands which name we barely know."
Poland takes part of Czech territory.

1939: July. England and France quickly conclude a treaty with Poland ensuring its territorial integrity in response to Hitler's "unprecedented" agression. This happens despite the strong condemnation of Polands actions a year before.

1939: August. Secret Non-agreesion pact (moltov ribbentrop), between the USSR and Germany. Both agree to partition Poland.

1939: Late August: Germany invades Poland. USSR takes eastern half to the extent of the 1917 borders.

1939: September. England and France declare war on Germany for violating Poland's territory. They are both silent as to the USSR, DESPITE THE USSR BEING EQUALLY CULPABLE UNDER THE TERMS OF THE TREATY>

1939: September. The French Army of over 200 divisions sits on the border, a quick thrust now while Germany's best divisions could effectively destroy the Rurh basin, the centre of the Greman war economy. At worst it could at least force the Germans to fight on two fronts. Nevertheless the largest mobilized army in the world sits and waits for next season.



I could go on, but as you can see. It was all wrestling. Everyone knew how it would work out. I'm not saying 56 million didn't die. I'm just saying it was a fake war.

Folks, the truth is getting out and so the

"HOLOCAUST"is going out of business.

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Now this guy/gal, I'm afraid really beieves what he/she is saying. If not then bad on me! Otherwise.

Well, I just don't know what to say without getting in trouble with the mods.

Oh, fuck it. What a complete, devestatingly mind-numbingly, idiotic scumbag! Wish his/her momma (if he/she actually has one) had used one the time he/she was concieved! If there is a God this individual is gonna get hit by a falling piece of space debris in the next 24 hours. Instead I guess I just have to hope for random violence to take the a-hole out.



Any mod who feels the need to delete this post go ahead. I just had to get it out. This kind crap just gets me. Lo siento.

Something stinks. Do I smell bullshit...?

yes, Grade A Jumbo bullshit for $2.19 a dozen.

Nobody knew just how big the German Army was in 1939, they were claiming that everything they did was in accordance with the Treaty of Versailles yet the opposite is more what happened, they built battleships which were 15,000 tons over the maximum allowed. They were building the best tractors (tanks) in the world and as they proved they actually knew how to use them. The French were gonna rely on the Maginot Line to crush any German attack, but the neutrality of The Netherlands and Belgium was unexpected, along with the German armored thrust through the Ardennes, which was thought to be impassible by armored units. Combine this with surprise, superior equipment, and better tactics and you have a German rout of the French and English armies. Face it buddy, WWII was not scripted, this is called hein-sight, which means that things which were not so obvious at the time become obvious afterwords, like when you are trying to make a left turn, you wait for a car and after it goes bye you realise that you could have made the turn without getting hit.

No. The point is you are a fucking retard who despite all evidence to the contrary and your complete lack of evidence of any sort, still claim that the holocause never happened and that WWII was staged, if it was staged then it sure as hell did not happen as the planners had hoped, if it had then we would either A.) All be singing God Save the King, or B.) Learning about the history of Mother Russia while fearing we will be the victims of the next purge, or C.) Shouting Heil Hitler! Over and Over again while looking at a picture of a guy with the worst fucking mustache you will ever see.

No, because it was an elaborate way of recognixing the new world order and sliding us into a bi-polar world.

Really, think about it. 56,000,000 is peanuts deathwise in terms of the 20th century. If we really had a war, it would have come down to the USSR v the USA, and that would have been bloody.

BTW nuclear fission was first observed in italy during the twenties. the whole bomb thing was faked too. Everyone had it before the war, hence englands "tube alloys" group.

Ok, I will counter your spam, two pair, with my spam straight flush.

Ok, then what is this New World Order you speak of?

Ok, I will counter your spam, two pair, with my spam straight flush.

Ok, then what is this New World Order you speak of?

Did you read my timeline?

And we live in it now. The US can invade Iraq with impunity, due to agreements stretching back to the late 40's. You have heard of the "naughty document" haven't you.

At the same time, the USSR, can elect Putin with a 99% plurality and eff up the Ukraine, and what is the rest of the world's response: "That's nice."

This is how things were set up with the whole WWII fake.

Ok, the Holocaust never happened, so the jews are of course hateful sionists who claim that? But instead Gemany commited crimes against other minorities, such as gays and gypsies? So what you want to tell me ist that the most antisionistic movement in the world which rode on a european wave of antisemtism in it's rise to power just completely ignored the jews and turned on to terrorising others? Well, ok, it might have happen, sure. But then you must remember all the brain-washing against jews germans had recieved since around 1900. Which means that there probably were "holiday camps" (let us say all of them, that is proven) whose gurads turned them into torture camps, are you happy now you racist swine when I have "proven" (I use the word as you use it) that Hitler was innocent of this?

And it is fucking ignorant to say that everyone ended up where they were.

-Have you ever heard about Scandinavia (you know that arctic end of the world with countries you never can remember the names of in school)?
- Germany was split in two and wasn't united (I don't think you were aware of that) until 1989 with a great economic drawback as the result.
- Japan was smashed all together and will never again be world superpower.
- The japanese emperor had no longer authorotive status.
- Stalin must also be out of the conspiracy has he refused money from the Marshall plan.
- The palestinians had to give up the fight over Israel with the jews as the UN turned against them.
- Italia and fascist movement as such lost all.
-Eastern Europe got under stalinist control, something you were not happy about ovr there...
- Great Britain and France lost nearly all colonies and the Marshall plan wasn't enough to build up their economies, as for the Neterlands and Belgium.
- The nazi movement was frowned upon by the world and larger nazi groups weren't to be seen until thirty years later.

So no, the only one benefitting from WW2 was the US, and maybe the arms industry of neutral countries.

And seriously, do post if someone posts something like this, because what is best, prove them wrong or ignore "because you don't have the guts to admit that there exists a worldwide conspiracy"?

Did you read my timeline?

And we live in it now. The US can invade Iraq with impunity, due to agreements stretching back to the late 40's. You have heard of the "naughty document" haven't you.

At the same time, the USSR, can elect Putin with a 99% plurality and eff up the Ukraine, and what is the rest of the world's response: "That's nice."

This is how things were set up with the whole WWII fake.

I am afraid you need to take another look at the Ukraine, they are having another election because the challenger, who has American support, was able to get the SC to void the faked results. And the rest of the world has not reacted with a "that's nice" response like you say, do you think the SC would have over turned the results if only one candidate had foreign backing?

Yes, I read your timeline, did you read my statement about hein sight?

If by "naughty document" you mean Playboy, then yes, I have heard of it, but if you mean anything that relates to a plan on how to fuck up the world for the next 100 years, then no.

Where do you live anyways? I can only think of two countries that could turn out someone as fucked up as you, America and China.

Where do you live anyways? I can only think of two countries that could turn out someone as fucked up as you, America and China.HEY... USA and China are not the only contries that can produce Screwups... they produce the better brand of screw ups, but other countries have their own home-grown screwups as well... :mad:

HEY... USA and China are not the only contries that can produce Screwups... they produce the better brand of screw ups, but other countries have their own home-grown screwups as well... :mad:

I know, but in my experiences those two countries can produce some doozies, and as you can see, this guy is pretty screwed up himself.

You know what, I would love to stay and see what bullshit this guy can come up with next, but I am tired so I think I will go to bed and probably sleep well realizing that I did not have that bad of a childhood afterall.

I am afraid you need to take another look at the Ukraine, they are having another election because the challenger, who has American support, was able to get the SC to void the faked results. And the rest of the world has not reacted with a "that's nice" response like you say, do you think the SC would have over turned the results if only one candidate had foreign backing?

Yes, I read your timeline, did you read my statement about hein sight?

If by "naughty document" you mean Playboy, then yes, I have heard of it, but if you mean anything that relates to a plan on how to fuck up the world for the next 100 years, then no.

Where do you live anyways? I can only think of two countries that could turn out someone as fucked up as you, America and China.

I'm from England.

That's how I know about the "naughty document" which was the finalization of post war influence. This is why Greece is not communist today. Just wait on the Ukraine, Putins candidate will be elected.

--Zyklon B was a commercially produced pesticide.

-1Anne Frank died of Typhus as did most Jews in the camps.

-2Six million Jews did NOT die. Roughly 1 million did of

starvation and disease towards the end of the war.

-3Thousands of German camp guards died of Typhus as well.

-4There was no "Holocaust". Germany had no program of genocide.

-5Even after the Allies occupied the camps, many more thousands of

Jews died of disease.



Allied Occupation of the Camps

-6Heads were shaved to reduce lice infestation - the main cause of

Typhus. Clothing was deloused with Zyklon B.

-7Cremation was the only safe way to dispose of a Typhus victims body.

-8Jews the world over formally declared war on Germany in March of 1933.

Jews conducted an international trade boycott and attempted to wreck

the German economy.

-9When war broke out, Germany interred the Jews just as America did to

the Japanese. Had America been invaded and bombed to smitherines, many

Japanese would also have died of starvation and disease.

-10The "Holocaust" is the biggest propaganda coup ever fabricated. It is a lie.

The reason the "Holocaust" was created was to prevent ANY and all criticism

of the Jewish theft of Palestine in the creation of Israel. The

"Holy-Hoax" automatically made anyone who criticized Jews an "anti-Semite".

-11Anti-Jewish sentiment arose in Germany after World War I when it became

known that Jewish leaders had made a deal with Britian called the Balfour

Declaration. With this agreement, England promised Palestine to the

Jews in exchange for Jewish guarantee to get the United States into

the war. Both are historical facts. The "Holocaust" isn't.

-12It was claimed that 4 million Jews died at Auschwitz. Then in the 1980's,

Jewish experts revised the number to 1.5 million, yet the 6 million myth

was never changed! With the fall of the Soviet empire, Russian archives

revealed that about 75 thousand perished at Auschwitz. The lie about 6

million remains!



Auschwitz: Myths and Facts

-13Not one reputable Jewish historian now claims that Jews were rendered into

soap or made into lampshades. In Atlanta GA at the Oakland Cemetery is a

tombstone with the inscription "Here lies four bars of soap, the only

remains of four Jews". Total baloney!

The "Human Soap" Hoax

-14The Holocaust never happened. If you don't believe it, start reading.

1So what? As was much of what Aum Shinrikyo bought...

2And who says that?

3You know, in the 20:th century we had things as data and registers of the population in Europe, it is you americans who are behind...

4And you point is?

5Sure, and oxygen and gravity are conspiracys! Read the fucking protocols from the Munic courts! They are open and their countrparts wouldn't be if we lived in your fascist utopia!

6You said thousands, not tens of thousands or millions, you said thousands...

7And if so many people were dying out of it why didn't they just send people home or place that ick individually, I mean since they had so many "gaschambers" unoccupied...

8At last! An Ahmed Rahmi follower who says that THERE WERE creamaetions! Halleluja!

9Because a party which wanted to send them all to Madagascar establshed a dictatorship there?

10Can't argue against that, and so I won't.

11By who and why? That isn't a reason as it is generally acceptable to question (at least where I live) what good things Israel actually has done...

12As the contract is dated from 1922 I don't think so... but of course, that one is fake, eh?

13Which Jewish experts? Ahmed Rahmi?And who cares? They were killed, isn't that bad enough?

14LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!!1111111

No, because it was an elaborate way of recognixing the new world order and sliding us into a bi-polar world.

Really, think about it. 56,000,000 is peanuts deathwise in terms of the 20th century. If we really had a war, it would have come down to the USSR v the USA, and that would have been bloody.

BTW nuclear fission was first observed in italy during the twenties. the whole bomb thing was faked too. Everyone had it before the war, hence englands "tube alloys" group.
Whatever you say...

And why? There were fascist, communist, royalist and democratic nations in the world around that time, why would the early clash of civilisations be between only these two?

So then what has been done to Hiroshima and Nagasaki? And what evidence do you have for that claim?

By the way, isn't it time for you to answer my questions, or are they too hard?

First: to everyone who took this thread seriously, from hypersensitive Zionists to evil evil Nazis, you should be ashamed of yourselves. Go to a corner and cry.

Second: I've heard some pretty wacky stuff in my day, but you sir take the cake. World War II was a farce? You may as well say that JFK died of kidney failure, or those airliners alone toppled the Twin Towers. I mean, come on, man. At least make it believable! :p

Has anyone here heard of David Irving?

He is a Historian who has challenged the 'accepted" version of some events of WW2 - mainly the Holocaust. He believes it didn't happen and that the Jews, Gays, etc died from disease and lack of food. He does make some good points in his argument whether you believe him or not. He has been banned from Australia by the government who were under pressure from Local Jewish Groups.

First: to everyone who took this thread seriously, from hypersensitive Zionists to evil evil Nazis, you should be ashamed of yourselves. Go to a corner and cry.

Go check out he regions: the urap, aryan nations and so on and you will see why I reacted. And you have probably not met posters as Nationalist Valhalla and that guy White Nations or whatever his name is...

Has anyone here heard of David Irving?

He is a Historian who has challenged the 'accepted" version of some events of WW2 - mainly the Holocaust. He believes it didn't happen and that the Jews, Gays, etc died from disease and lack of food. He does make some good points in his argument whether you believe him or not. He has been banned from Australia by the government who were under pressure from Local Jewish Groups.
Yes, he is a perverted, sick man who does make a living buy those morons who by his books. No only that he is disproven by science (the cremetion debate) and that his publicers are somehow associated with Lincoln-Rockwell, he claims that he is actually right!

Come on, NONE out of three revisionists have answered me, despite my partic, hateful posts! What has happened with the flame-spirit here?

Yes, he is a perverted, sick man who does make a living buy those morons who by his books. No only that he is disproven by science (the cremetion debate) and that his publicers are somehow associated with Lincoln-Rockwell, he claims that he is actually right!

Who is Lincoln-Rockwell? I myself have never brought his books, but how the **** are they Morons? What about the cremetion debate? Not to mention that science can disprove anything and I mean anything, but that doesn't mean it isn't false. For instance Auschwitz was on a major water source, why would any idiot put a building in place which would poison the water? And from Photo's I have seen, some of the paint doesn't look as if it has suffered the effects of gas which do affect paint in many cases.

Next thing you will tell us is that the documentary film “Close encounters of the third kind” was all just a colossal hoax! :headbang:

Next thing you will tell us is that the documentary film “Close encounters of the third kind” was all just a colossal hoax! :headbang:the author of this thread probably believes "Bowling for Colombine" and "Farenhiet 9/11" are 'true documentaries.'

One minor flaw with the whole holocaust fake thing. Is that, most, if not all, Jewish families lost someone. In my case I lost a whole host of someones, and I got very very lucky. I still have all my grandparents, and up until last year, I had all my great-uncles on one side. On one side, my grandads, his entire family was wiped out. I have never spoken to a Jew who didn't lose someone in the holocaust. If you count the amount of Jews in the world, you'll realise that your 100'000 claim is absurd. Otherwise, this is just spam, as nobody can believe this amount of BS. I don't know which nursery you go to, but the nice people who teach you there, should be taken into custody.

Come on, NONE out of three revisionists have answered me, despite that my partic, hateful posts! What has happened with the flame-spirit here?

There is nothing to say. It is clear that WWII was no more than professional wrestling. A well orchastrated farce, and never a struggle. It was never fought rationally, and it's history is replete with examples that prove it. For example, don't you find it odd that England and the US had perfect knowledge of Germany, Italy and Japan's troop movements, yet were largely in the dark as to the movements and plans of their so-called ally the USSR? Hmmm.?

And why did France get a seat at the victory table, yet holland and belguim were handed a fait acomplis. Why should france get any say at all? DOubly so when poland -who contirbuted more to the war effort - got the big shaft. Hmm?

Don't these things bother you at all?

The Dutch goverment helped the nazis, let them in and sympathized with them.

The Dutch goverment helped the nazis, let them in and sympathized with them.

The dutch government in place did. There was a free dutch government in england for the entire duration of the war that actively opposed the Nazi's.

You may as well blame norway for quisling. Or france for vichy.

By the by, Vichy france was even more anti semetic than Nazi Germany, yet there the french are at the table dividing up the world with the rest of the "great" powers.

Who is Lincoln-Rockwell? I myself have never brought his books, but how the **** are they Morons? What about the cremetion debate? Not to mention that science can disprove anything and I mean anything, but that doesn't mean it isn't false. For instance Auschwitz was on a major water source, why would any idiot put a building in place which would poison the water? And from Photo's I have seen, some of the paint doesn't look as if it has suffered the effects of gas which do affect paint in many cases.
Licoln-Rockwell is the man who brought Nazism alive again after WW2.

Because that they believe in the shit, I have spoken with many who have, and they are generally worse than the thread starter.

In a part he says that it would be physically impossible to cremete so many jews as the allied claimed were, it is just that he overestimated the time it takes to cremete a man with four times!

Probably the Nazis didn't care as Auschwits was in Poland...

I can't explain the last, but considering everything else revisionists claims there is probably an explanation (and even if it wasn't I wouldn't deem out the Holocaust)...

The Holocaust happened. Both my grandfathers were there, one in a camp and one in the army. Your a fool to believe that it didnt and I would suggest you see someone medically about your paranoia.

Sheer curiosity, did you believe man has been to the moon?

The dutch government in place did. There was a free dutch government in england for the entire duration of the war that actively opposed the Nazi's.

You may as well blame norway for quisling. Or france for vichy.

By the by, Vichy france was even more anti semetic than Nazi Germany, yet there the french are at the table dividing up the world with the rest of the "great" powers.

The term anti-semetic does not, and should not apply when in reference to European Jews...well 90% of all Jews for that matter as they are not Semitic people.

There is nothing to say. It is clear that WWII was no more than professional wrestling. A well orchastrated farce, and never a struggle. It was never fought rationally, and it's history is replete with examples that prove it. For example, don't you find it odd that England and the US had perfect knowledge of Germany, Italy and Japan's troop movements, yet were largely in the dark as to the movements and plans of their so-called ally the USSR? Hmmm.?

And why did France get a seat at the victory table, yet holland and belguim were handed a fait acomplis. Why should france get any say at all? DOubly so when poland -who contirbuted more to the war effort - got the big shaft. Hmm?

Don't these things bother you at all?
Not at all since the allied had air superiority and Stalin was a psycotic dictator who didn't like the idea of international cooperation in the first place. Furthermore they were fighting at different fronts and the Soviet was fighting wars the allied didn't support (the finnish war).

Ever heard of the Free french forces? But perhaps that is just a hoax made up by the jellaous frogs?

The term anti-semetic does not, and should not apply when in reference to European Jews...well 90% of all Jews for that matter as they are not Semitic people.

I stand corrected apparently. Let me put it this way then, vichy hated jews more than hitler.

The term anti-semetic does not, and should not apply when in reference to European Jews...well 90% of all Jews for that matter as they are not Semitic people.
And homofobic means "afraid of the same", which is a bit odd term for what it stands for, that is something you have to accept (but I do not believe that brits only are the sole sons of the israelits)

I'm surprised that this thread is not locked...

Licoln-Rockwell is the man who brought Nazism alive again after WW2.

Because that they believe in the shit, I have spoken with many who have, and they are generally worse than the thread starter.

In a part he says that it would be physically impossible to cremete so many jews as the allied claimed were, it is just that he overestimated the time it takes to cremete a man with four times!

Probably the Nazis didn't care as Auschwits was in Poland...

I can't explain the last, but considering everything else revisionists claims there is probably an explanation (and even if it wasn't I wouldn't deem out the Holocaust)...

1) You say Licoln-Rockwell brought Nazism alive after WW2, was that the political side of things or the "hate" (I used commas because not all Nazis hated other races)

2) I know people who believe some of David Irving and they are some of the best debaters I know. Some have successfully debated with many people who are very well informed of this issue.

3) The fact he overestimated the time doesn't mean he was wrong, I mean to cremate that many people would take a very long time, and many resorces which I doubt Germany would sacrafice considering they were at war with much of the World.

4) The fact that Auschwits was in Poland still could have been a factor considering Germany tried to annax it for themselves remember. Germanys goal was to secure Europe, and to do that they took Poland. German soldiers drank the water too, so why would they Poison it?

5) Your right, I wouldn't deem out the Holocaust based on this, but much more "evidence" if you will has been brought out, some looks fishy, some not so...so whether the Holocaust happened or not, it has become a Bussiness

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Not at all since the allied had air superiority and Stalin was a psycotic dictator who didn't like the idea of international cooperation in the first place. Furthermore they were fighting at different fronts and the Soviet was fighting wars the allied didn't support (the finnish war).

Ever heard of the Free french forces? But perhaps that is just a hoax made up by the jellaous frogs?


Well the western allies didn't get there info from recon. They got it by reading the axis/japans encrypted messages. Odd huh? Especially since they couldn't read the soviets.

And which "free" french forces are you talking about? The ones under DeGaulle. LeCerc or &ct. Throughout the war there was never any "free" french identity, despite several divisions of french troops fighting. Indeed, de Gualle knew of the plan from the begining and was against it, hence his constant attempts, however foolish, to wreck it.

Later on, when the war was over you can see clearly de Gaulle's efforts to resist the new world order. The Indo-China war that france fought despite the earlier agreements (which led the US into Vietnam to "pretend" that there was a principle at stake, though that's another thread); the Suez crises; the withdrawl of france from NATO &ct.

de Gaulle was the only honest man during the whole affair. I would follow him anywhere.

And homofobic means "afraid of the same", which is a bit odd term for what it stands for, that is something you have to accept (but I do not believe that brits only are the sole sons of the israelits)

I don't believe Brits are the sole sons of the Israelites, after all you must include Australians, Americans, Canadians, New Zelanders, etc...

1) You say Licoln-Rockwell brought Nazism alive after WW2, was that the political side of things or the "hate" (I used commas because not all Nazis hated other races)

2) I know people who believe some of David Irving and they are some of the best debaters I know. Some have successfully debated with many people who are very well informed of this issue.

3) The fact he overestimated the time doesn't mean he was wrong, I mean to cremate that many people would take a very long time, and many resorces which I doubt Germany would sacrafice considering they were at war with much of the World.

4) The fact that Auschwits was in Poland still could have been a factor considering Germany tried to annax it for themselves remember. Germanys goal was to secure Europe, and to do that they took Poland. German soldiers drank the water too, so why would they Poison it?

5) Your right, I wouldn't deem out the Holocaust based on this, but much more "evidence" if you will has been brought out, some looks fishy, some not so...so whether the Holocaust happened or not, it has become a Bussiness

1. He is the founder of the White Power movement, judge it yourself...
2. I would say the same about Ahmed Rahmi and David Irving himself, but Rahmed is still a moron for believing it and Irving is immoral for living on those books.
3. It is just that the numbers he tried to disprove (given by the allied and captives from the camps themselves) was right. I do not believe that this was amjor thing, I don't care about it really but it was one of the first things I found that I could disprove him for, so now I always bring it up.
4. Their goal was to occupy Europe, not to inhaitate all by themselves, I would that only polish farmers lived in the area, but if you can disprove me then go ahead...
5. Bring me some that isn't "fishy" then...

Well the western allies didn't get there info from recon. They got it by reading the axis/japans encrypted messages. Odd huh? Especially since they couldn't read the soviets.

And which "free" french forces are you talking about? The ones under DeGaulle. LeCerc or &ct. Throughout the war there was never any "free" french identity, despite several divisions of french troops fighting. Indeed, de Gualle knew of the plan from the begining and was against it, hence his constant attempts, however foolish, to wreck it.

Later on, when the war was over you can see clearly de Gaulle's efforts to resist the new world order. The Indo-China war that france fought despite the earlier agreements (which led the US into Vietnam to "pretend" that there was a principle at stake, though that's another thread); the Suez crises; the withdrawl of france from NATO &ct.

de Gaulle was the only honest man during the whole affair. I would follow him anywhere.
From recon as well, and as US used Navajo as code language I'd guess that it was pretty hard to get it...

And perhaps they just couldn't read the soviets, just as the japanese couldn't read theirs`It is easy to create a code almost impossible to breake.

Those that you generally refer to as the Free French, if you don't know the term then look it up...

And so Britain in the Falklands...

I don't believe Brits are the sole sons of the Israelites, after all you must include Australians, Americans, Canadians, New Zelanders, etc...
Which basically comes down to that the Anglo-saxons and british Celts are the chosen people despite that they not were a distinguished etnicity until they moved to the brittic isles (as the semitiv Jews were and are)...

in terms of the cremations.It depends on the weight of the individual. For an average size adult, cremation takes from two to three hours at normal operating temperature between 1,500 degrees F to 2,000 degrees F.
that is to turn the body into complete ash, which wasnt happening in the camps, the fact that the was fat remaining is proof of this.

oh and the gas chambers were made to look like showers and werent not painted with any form of paint they were cement. maybe u should take a closer look at those pics.

anyway this thread is hopeless no matter what sources u use they are written by another human and there is no way they can be objective so no matter what way u look at it there is no hard evidence unless u were there personally. u could carry on forever everything that has been said has a counter arguement

in terms of the cremations.It depends on the weight of the individual. For an average size adult, cremation takes from two to three hours at normal operating temperature between 1,500 degrees F to 2,000 degrees F.
that is to turn the body into complete ash, which wasnt happening in the camps, the fact that the was fat remaining is proof of this.

... and as Irving says it to be four hours (one and a half is the one I have heard, although that excluded ten minutes of chopping limbs) he is nthing but wrong.

From recon as well, and as US used Navajo as code language I'd guess that it was pretty hard to get it...

And perhaps they just couldn't read the soviets, just as the japanese couldn't read theirs`It is easy to create a code almost impossible to breake.

Those that you generally refer to as the Free French, if you don't know the term then look it up...

And so Britain in the Falklands...

I know a lot more about the "free" french that you do. The non-vichy french were never a uniform block. Originally they were organized under de Gaulle from the french evacuees from Dunkirk. Later on however, as more French defected the situation became more complex. Did you know for example that the US never formally recognized the "Free french" Comitee, even after the fall of wichy to the Nazis.

Why do you think that Leclerc led the parade into paris and not de Gaulle? It was reflective of the inherent split in the french block. Because of this, in total terms the french contributed less to the war effort than the polish, who organized many sucessful and co-herent brigades. Hell Canada, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa as independant dominions had more place at the table than the french. They weren't there however because the whole thing was fake.

As to your code point, all sides had codes that were impossible to break, yet the western allies broke the axis codes. Not vice versa. That, at least is the official story. In reality, there was no code breaking. Everyone knew there part. (Like pissing around in the med for a year to allow soviet dominance in eastern europe.)

I wish more people had followed de Gaulle. He tried his best to stop this.

5. Bring me some that isn't "fishy" then...

http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and%20History/Holocaust/what_is_Holocaust_denial.htm

Auschwitz

So just what constitutes "Holocaust denial"? Surely a claim that most Auschwitz inmates died from disease and not systematic extermination in gas chambers would be "denial." But perhaps not. Jewish historian Arno J. Mayer, a Princeton University professor, wrote in his 1988 study Why Did the Heavens Not Darken?: The 'Final Solution" in History': . . . From 1942 to 1945, certainly at Auschwitz, but probably overall, more Jews were killed by so-called 'natural' causes than by 'unnatural' ones." 9

Even estimates of the number of people who died at Auschwitz -- allegedly the main extermination center -- are no longer clear cut. At the postwar Nuremberg Tribunal, the Allies charged that the Germans exterminated four million people at Auschwitz. 10 Until 1990, a memorial plaque at Auschwitz read: "Four Million People Suffered and Died Here at the Hands of the Nazi Murderers Between the Years 1940 and 1945." 11 During a 1979 visit to the camp, Pope John Paul II stood before this memorial and blessed the four million victims.

Is it "Holocaust denial" to dispute these four million deaths? Not today. In July 1990, the Polish government's Auschwitz State Museum, along with Israel's Yad Vashem Holocaust center, conceded that the four million figure was a gross exaggeration, and references to it were accordingly removed from the Auschwitz monument. Israeli and Polish officials announced a tentative revised toll of 1.1 million Auschwitz dead.12 In 1993, French Holocaust researcher Jean-Claude Pressac, in a much-discussed book about Auschwitz, estimated that altogether about 775,000 died there during the war years. 13

Professor Mayer acknowledges that the question of how many really died in Auschwitz remains open. In Why Did the Heavens Not Darken? he wrote (p. 366):

. . . Many questions remain open . . . All in all, how many bodies were cremated in Auschwitz? How many died there all told? What was the national, religious, and ethnic breakdown in this commonwealth of victims? How many of them were condemned to die a 'natural' death and how many were deliberately slaughtered? And what was the proportion of Jews among those murdered in cold blood among these gassed? We have simply no answers to these questions at this time.

Forensic Investigations

In his 1988 book, Professor Mayer calls for "excavations at the killing sites and in their immediate environs" to determine more about the gas chambers. In fact, such forensic studies have been made. The first was conducted in 1988 by American execution equipment consultant, Fred A. Leuchter, Jr. He carried out an on-site forensic examination of the alleged gas chambers at Auschwitz, Birkenau and Majdanek to determine if they could have been used to kill people as claimed. After a careful study of the alleged killing facilities, Leuchter concluded that the sites were not used, and could not have been used, as homicidal gas chambers. Furthermore, an analysis of samples taken by Leuchter from the walls and floors of the alleged gas chambers showed either no traces or minuscule traces of cyanide compound from the active ingredient of Zyklon B, the pesticide allegedly used to murder Jews at Auschwitz. 17

A confidential forensic examination (and subsequent report) commissioned by the Auschwitz State Museum and conducted by Institute of Forensic Research in Krakow has confirmed Leuchter's finding that minimal or no traces of cyanide compound can be found in the sites alleged to have been gas chambers. 18

The significance of this is evident when the results of the forensic examination of the alleged homicidal gas chambers are compared with the results of the examination of the Auschwitz disinfestation facilities, where Zyklon B was used to delouse mattresses and clothing. Whereas no or only trace amounts of cyanide were found in the alleged homicidal gas chambers, massive traces of cyanide were found in the walls and floor in the camp's disinfestation delousing chambers.

Another forensic study has been carried out by German chemist Germar Rudolf. On the basis of his on-site examination and analysis of samples, the certified chemist and doctoral candidate concluded: "For chemical-technical reasons, the claimed mass gassings with hydrocyanic acid in the alleged 'gas chambers' in Auschwitz did not take place . . . The supposed facilities for mass killing in Auschwitz and Birkenau were not suitable for this purpose . . ." 19

Finally, there is the study of Austrian engineer Walter Lueftl, a respected expert witness in numerous court cases, and former president of Austria's professional association of engineers. In a 1992 report he called the alleged mass extermination of Jews in gas chambers "technically impossible." 20

http://www.air-photo.com/english/ - also has some evidence which should be looked at...

Well, it's obvious none of you know anything about history. If you did, you'd see the patern.

World War II was a set piece, designed totally to declare the new world order, and at the same time make it palatable to the general public. Look at how it was fought:

1931: Japan invades manchuria. Reasult, So what.

1932: Resurgent German nationalism. Albert Speer meets secretly with western allies. All agree that hitler is perfect to take the fall. Germany agrees to lose western third in return for US support and massive post war rebuilding aid. Given the fact that Germany never had, and never will have an empire of consequence, the deal seems good in light of the reality of the rising power of the USSR. After all, half a loaf is better than non.

1934. Hitler becomes the Furhrer.

1935: Colonial and financial troubles force England and France to aquiese to the New World Order. They agree to play there part. France agrees to occupation in return for huge post war economic aid from the US, coupled with an agreement that comunism will be ruthlessly supressed.

1936: Inexplicably germany re-occupies the Rhineland on March 7th. It is clear the Locarno and versialles have been violated. Nevertheless, despite overwhelming military superiorty, France and England choose to describe the event as mo more than a man "choosing to stroll around in his own back yard."

1938: Anschluss of Austria. Post WWI Austria is to weak to have any say in this matter and in any case it looks perfectly rational in light of the re-occupation of the Rhineland.

1938: Muchich conference. Despite, again, having massive millitary superiorty over Germany at this point - especially when coupled with the native Czech forces - France and England once again allow Hitle's teritorial ambitions to bear fruit. It is clear at this point that a decisive attack upon Nazi Germany would destroy its mere 36 divisions and topple Hitler. Notwithstanding it is characterized as a conflict over "distant lands which name we barely know."
Poland takes part of Czech territory.

1939: July. England and France quickly conclude a treaty with Poland ensuring its territorial integrity in response to Hitler's "unprecedented" agression. This happens despite the strong condemnation of Polands actions a year before.

1939: August. Secret Non-agreesion pact (moltov ribbentrop), between the USSR and Germany. Both agree to partition Poland.

1939: Late August: Germany invades Poland. USSR takes eastern half to the extent of the 1917 borders.

1939: September. England and France declare war on Germany for violating Poland's territory. They are both silent as to the USSR, DESPITE THE USSR BEING EQUALLY CULPABLE UNDER THE TERMS OF THE TREATY>

1939: September. The French Army of over 200 divisions sits on the border, a quick thrust now while Germany's best divisions could effectively destroy the Rurh basin, the centre of the Greman war economy. At worst it could at least force the Germans to fight on two fronts. Nevertheless the largest mobilized army in the world sits and waits for next season.



I could go on, but as you can see. It was all wrestling. Everyone knew how it would work out. I'm not saying 56 million didn't die. I'm just saying it was a fake war.


Occam's razor is your friend.

I would elaborate on how illogical your "theory" is, but I have a feeling you're just trolling us for fun.

Occam's razor is your friend.

I would elaborate on how illogical your "theory" is, but I have a feeling you're just trolling us for fun.

The principle of parsimony suggests that I am correct.

Which basically comes down to that the Anglo-saxons and british Celts are the chosen people despite that they not were a distinguished etnicity until they moved to the brittic isles (as the semitiv Jews were and are)...

There is only about 6% of Jews who descend from Shem (Which makes them Shemitic - or Semitic), and don't use the term "Anglo", we are Israelites, nothing more.

Yea! Yet another case of someone copying an internet source and vomiting it back up onto the NS forum. Who needs books and classes when you have google?

And this is the most insane theory I've ever heard. I feel dumber for reading about it. At least all your future/past arguments/positions are now invalidated.

Seek help.

I know a lot more about the "free" french that you do. The non-vichy french were never a uniform block. Originally they were organized under de Gaulle from the french evacuees from Dunkirk. Later on however, as more French defected the situation became more complex. Did you know for example that the US never formally recognized the "Free french" Comitee, even after the fall of wichy to the Nazis.

Why do you think that Leclerc led the parade into paris and not de Gaulle? It was reflective of the inherent split in the french block. Because of this, in total terms the french contributed less to the war effort than the polish, who organized many sucessful and co-herent brigades. Hell Canada, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa as independant dominions had more place at the table than the french. They weren't there however because the whole thing was fake.

As to your code point, all sides had codes that were impossible to break, yet the western allies broke the axis codes. Not vice versa. That, at least is the official story. In reality, there was no code breaking. Everyone knew there part. (Like pissing around in the med for a year to allow soviet dominance in eastern europe.)

I wish more people had followed de Gaulle. He tried his best to stop this.
Probably yes.
Nope but they were rewarded for what they did, and frankly, as my nation didn't fight I don't care at all for who got the recognition, what the books say are more important to me than which general who got which medal.

Yes they did, but since when have we in west Europe valued the east? Just take a look at what languages that are spken during the european song contest (french and english for those of you who didn't know)?

I'd say that he enigma was an imprtant technolgical step, but since I can't disprove someone who says that all my knowledge is based on a fraud I guess you won this...

Yea! Yet another case of someone copying an internet source and vomiting it back up onto the NS forum. Who needs books and classes when you have google?

And this is the most insane theory I've ever heard. I feel dumber for reading about it. At least all your future/past arguments/positions are now invalidated.

Seek help.

I copied nothing from the internet. This is all the product of my research. Deny it if you will, but the truth is out there.

Yea! Yet another case of someone copying an internet source and vomiting it back up onto the NS forum. Who needs books and classes when you have google?

And this is the most insane theory I've ever heard. I feel dumber for reading about it. At least all your future/past arguments/positions are now invalidated.

Seek help.

Are you talking about me?

If so, I say this, Bathory's Sainthood is a far better BSF song, and that the fact it comes from the net doesn't mean it is rubbish. And yes I do read books, even ones about the Holocaust, but damn I am not re-writing all of the stuff from them.

If your not talking about me, sorry about my above stuff...

we are Israelites, nothing more.
And yet a people without a culture, language and major history of themselves. Those pedantic researches of the Bible you come up with are above all questionable, and the theories of the Identity church have never complied with archeology. Sorry but I don't believe you...

sorry, im lost. so now anglo-saxons are semites?

how/ why. please in one sentence, i cant read all the crap in this thread.

I'm not saying 56 million didn't die. I'm just saying it was a fake war.



Then very kindly define to Nation States what you believe is a fake war

I will elaborate this single sentence:
Fake war: the definition please.


--- Also, what are the defining characteristics that separate a 'fake war' from a 'war', or 'real war'?

And yet a people without a culture, language and major history of themselves. Those pedantic researches of the Bible you come up with are above all questionable, and the theories of the Identity church have never complied with archeology. Sorry but I don't believe you...

The Israelites disobeyed God, they were taken captive north. They were to forget who they were, but God would never turn his back on his people. We are still in Exile, but as God Promised he didn’t turn his back on us. We are still a powerful people.

sorry, im lost. so now anglo-saxons are semites?

how/ why. please in one sentence, i cant read all the crap in this thread.
He claims that the real chosen people of the Bible is the Anglo-saxons, don't ask me why...

Are you talking about me?

If so, I say this, Bathory's Sainthood is a far better BSF song, and that the fact it comes from the net doesn't mean it is rubbish. And yes I do read books, even ones about the Holocaust, but damn I am not re-writing all of the stuff from them.

If your not talking about me, sorry about my above stuff...


Just the part about cut & paste. The rest was for the thread creator.

This thread has actually caused me to break into my holocaust mini-library from a class I took a few years ago. Never have I been in a class where people just break down crying. Really depressing.

And I disagree. In fact, I like to pretend that TCT was never made.
"behold the capitalist bathing in the blood of the working class..."
Doesn't get better than that...

Then very kindly define to Nation States what you believe is a fake war

I will elaborate this single sentence:
Fake war: the definition please.


--- Also, what are the defining characteristics that separate a 'fake war' from a 'war', or 'real war'?

Have you read this thread? Fake war: one which is fought for appearance sake, nothing is contingent on the outcome, the outcome already having been decided.

sorry, im lost. so now anglo-saxons are semites?

how/ why. please in one sentence, i cant read all the crap in this thread.

No, not the Anglo-Saxons, this is a different race to us. Semites are descendants of Shem, some Saxons are Semites, Arabs are, Israelites are, Jews...are not, Anglos...are not

The Israelites disobeyed God, they were taken captive north. They were to forget who they were, but God would never turn his back on his people. We are still in Exile, but as God Promised he didn’t turn his back on us. We are still a powerful people.
But this doesn't complie with the science you say you follow in the denial of the holocause (by the way that site you copied from was really weird. It remembered me of a new age paper we had here in Sweden a few years ago.It was forbidden when it started to talk about sionistic illuminati and such stuff. Find a better source for those claims of yours)!

I'm tired and cant understand all those words. (dont JUDGE me - I do have SOME idea what they all mean, I am not an idiot) Can sum1 please state exactly WHY all these world powers would have pre-arranged world war II? Who was in on it? was EVERY leader involved? Did one leader just say: OK, masscre all these jewish people! And LIE to everyone about it!

The principle of parsimony suggests that I am correct.
Two options. Either...
1. The massive world war, involving many countries from several continents happened the way every historian (and the people who fought in it) believes it did and was real.
or...
2. It was faked flawlessly by a "New World Order" which, although it was powerful enough to lead so many to their deaths and fake an entire world war with utter secrecy, it still needed more power, which it obviously could get by faking a war. Afterall, killing people is what secret societies are about. This secret order is massive enough to start the war and had a hand in just about every government, yet left behind no evidence, no documentation, was never infiltrated by spies, and was never suspected by unafflicted governments or any legitamate historian. This order was able to perfectly place troops around the battlefield so that the outcome and duration of each battle, and thus the was, was EASILY predictable. Mostly, this elaborate order was created in order to gain them massive power with which they wouldn't do anything in particular with. Unlike option one, historians don't believe this, because all the historians are either in the pocket of the NWO, or are simply tricked by their massive, world wide coverup which is flawless in its elusivenss. They are so good, in fact, that only a few enlightened ones can see through their ploy. This army of college-dropouts hopes to one day expose the NWO for what they are!


Obviously option two is the simplest explanation. You must get awful frustrated considering that almost everyone around you is just too dumb to comprehend this!

Just the part about cut & paste. The rest was for the thread creator.

This thread has actually caused me to break into my holocaust mini-library from a class I took a few years ago. Never have I been in a class where people just break down crying. Really depressing.

And I disagree. In fact, I like to pretend that TCT was never made.
"behold the capitalist bathing in the blood of the working class..."
Doesn't get better than that...

Alas I do hate to cut & paste, it seems so informal, but damn I'm not typing long stuff tonight. I have work tomorrow and I'd be here to 4am still going... The Force Majeure was a good song, to be honest...but I believe White Wedding Dress to be one of their best songs, I mean it was different and is in many cases relevent (not about domestic violence victims burning the house down with their husbands inside, but how no one seems to help them in many cases)

But this doesn't complie with the science you say you follow in the denial of the holocause (by the way that site you copied from was really weird. It remembered me of a new age paper we had here in Sweden a few years ago.It was forbidden when it started to talk about sionistic illuminati and such stuff. Find a better source for those claims of yours)!

...how is it "weird"?

No, not the Anglo-Saxons, this is a different race to us. Semites are descendants of Shem, some Saxons are Semites, Arabs are, Israelites are, Jews...are not, Anglos...are not

alright....

saxons are, angles are not. (the tribe was the angles).

Arabs and Jews are the same race... and the saxons were not descendents of shem.

oh wait, depends what YOU define as a Jew. are you like the KKK, who insist jews are the children of Eve and Cain, or whatever they say. (just with that, they also believe that jewish ethnicity passes through the mother, making eve jewish, making everyone jewish).

what about me, im an Ionian Greek...it seems pretty obvious that my gene pool has a lot of jewish, turkish and persian blood. does that make me a semite?

Two options. Either...
1. The massive world war, involving many countries from several continents happened the way every historian (and the people who fought in it) believes it did and was real.
or...
2. It was faked flawlessly by a "New World Order" which, although it was powerful enough to lead so many to their deaths and fake an entire world war with utter secrecy, it still needed more power, which it obviously could get by faking a war. Afterall, killing people is what secret societies are about. This secret order is massive enough to start the war and had a hand in just about every government, yet left behind no evidence, no documentation, was never infiltrated by spies, and was never suspected by unafflicted governments or any legitamate historian. This order was able to perfectly place troops around the battlefield so that the outcome and duration of each battle was EASILY predictable. Mostly, this elaborate order was created in order to gain them massive power with which they wouldn't do anything in particular with. Unlike option one, historians don't believe this, because all the historians are either in the pocket of the NWO, or are simply tricked by their massive, world wide coverup which is flawless in its elusivenss. They are so good, in fact, that only a few enlightened ones can see through their ploy. This army of college-dropouts hopes to one day expose them for what they are!


Obviously option two is the simplest explanation.


But you miss the point. WWII wasn't fought well. A child could do better. Stopping the tanks at Dunkirk to allow operation Dynamo, withdrawing key divisions at crucial moments, stupid troop movements, inexplicable delays, ridiculous resource allocation &ct. CRETE ????

For a war that was supposedly close, both sides were always fairly blase about the winning and the ultimate outcome. So how do you explain all the obvious stupidity. Is it:

1. The fog of war leads to blah, blah, blah, minor tactical victories, blah blah, .high comanders that are obviously disgraced should in fact be rewarded by even greater positions, blah, blah, Midway, blah, blah.

or,

2. It was a well orchastrated conspiracy.

Clearly two is the simplest answer.

Ok Ausrealite, we'll take this once again. IF the Israelits were taken capture and moved northwards there are some problems:
1. Nothing at excavations suggests that an entirely different people lived side by side with the germans.
2. If the Israelits forgot who they were, then they would marry their masters (as nothing suggests that slavery existed in medevial England) sooner or later and to day there must be very few of the chosen ones left. And as we have absolutely no safe genetic material to rely on then it means that an ever-increasing minority in the anglo-saxon countries are the chosen Israelits.

So why the hell start a church about it?

alright....

saxons are, angles are not. (the tribe was the angles).

Arabs and Jews are the same race... and the saxons were not descendents of shem.

oh wait, depends what YOU define as a Jew. are you like the KKK, who insist jews are the children of Eve and Cain, or whatever they say. (just with that, they also believe that jewish ethnicity passes through the mother, making eve jewish, making everyone jewish).

what about me, im an Ionian Greek...it seems pretty obvious that my gene pool has a lot of jewish, turkish and persian blood. does that make me a semite?

Arabs and Jews are not the same race. The Jews descend from the Khazars, who descend from Ham, not Shem.

This thread is about the farce of WWII, not about spurious racial theories - which I abhor - please get back on topic.

But you miss the point. WWII wasn't fought well. A child could do better. Stopping the tanks at Dunkirk to allow operation Dynamo, withdrawing key divisions at crucial moments, stupid troop movements, inexplicable delays, ridiculous resource allocation &ct. CRETE ????

For a war that was supposedly close, both sides were always fairly blase about the winning and the ultimate outcome. So how do you explain all the obvious stupidity. Is it:

1. The fog of war leads to blah, blah, blah, minor tactical victories, blah blah, .high comanders that are obviously disgraced should in fact be rewarded by even greater positions, blah, blah, Midway, blah, blah.

or,

2. It was a well orchastrated conspiracy.

Clearly two is the simplest answer.
Then how do Germany fit in and why didn't Hitler give Rommel a cyanide capsule directly?

Fake war: one which is fought for appearance sake, nothing is contingent on the outcome, the outcome already having been decided.

thank you.


Now I don’t have to read this thread anymore, because your definition does in no stretch of the reasoning mind, nor imagination, match the events, that created, and ended WWII.

This thread is about the farce of WWII, not about spurious racial theories - which I abhor - please get back on topic.
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really, you strike me as the kind of quack who believes that teutons shall produce the messiah.

ok, so WWII was a farce...the reason for this is that you, average joe nut, found proof through your painstaking research of your bong.

right hahaha

this is funny, especially how many people are responding.

good trolling dude, i have to respect that.

Ok Ausrealite, we'll take this once again. IF the Israelits were taken capture and moved northwards there are some problems:
1. Nothing at excavations suggests that an entirely different people lived side by side with the germans.
2. If the Israelits forgot who they were, then they would marry their masters (as nothing suggests that slavery existed in medevial England) sooner or later and to day there must be very few of the chosen ones left. And as we have absolutely no safe genetic material to rely on then it means that an ever-increasing minority in the anglo-saxon countries are the chosen Israelits.

So why the hell start a church about it?

The Israelites were taken north over the Caustaus mountains where they were given the name "Caucasians" - they were taken then north to Europe, and spread amoungst the Nations. Still graced by God they became powerful and spread into England and it's islands and to the rest of Europe picking up the langauge of the Natives. When Yahsha told the Apostles to seek out the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel, many of them went north, some to Ireland and such. In fact their is some evidence that Yahsha went to Ireland himself...

Well it didn't. As we all know it was faked up as part of a leftist crypto fascist conspiracy.

But that is not really what interests me here, I am now gathering evidence that world war two was faked.

So far my results are pretty conclusive. I think at this point it is safe to say that the whole thing was pre-arranged by the powers that be in order to make it look like there was some form of "global" conflict between the major powers. But really what was the result. At the end of the day, pretty, much everyone ended up where they were before the war, so what was the point?

I'll tell you, it was a crypto fascist plot to justify the increase in government authority. Prove me wrong.

The universe was created three seconds ago complete with the apparence (including your false memories of making the post which spewed forth this thread) of a history.

So, technically you are correct, but that's irrelevant, because all of history past three seconds ago (fifteen seconds ago by the time I finish this post) also never happened.

The Israelites were taken north over the Caustaus mountains where they were given the name "Caucasians" - they were taken then north to Europe, and spread amoungst the Nations. Still graced by God they became powerful and spread into England and it's islands and to the rest of Europe picking up the langauge of the Natives. When Yahsha told the Apostles to seek out the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel, many of them went north, some to Ireland and such. In fact their is some evidence that Yahsha went to Ireland himself...
1. So what is Sanskrit then? There is after all a reason that we call it INDOeuropean languages.
2.What people lived in Europe before the Aryans and how come the Bible mentions nothing of this? It is not as this conspiracy theory hás existed any more than twenty years, so the need for hiding evidence shouldn't be that big...

the Aryans were an indian tribe, i assume you are referring to the teutons?

and of course, the bible doesnt mention it silly, its a leftist crypto fascist conspiracy.

To say that "everyone" were at the same palce as when the war started is to say something extremly stupid. If you do not know what you are talking about, it is better to shut up, not making a fool of one self.

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really, you strike me as the kind of quack who believes that teutons shall produce the messiah.

ok, so WWII was a farce...the reason for this is that you, average joe nut, found proof through your painstaking research of your bong.

right hahaha

this is funny, especially how many people are responding.

good trolling dude, i have to respect that.


What is it with you people and the racism? I hate racism.

Look at the evidence, it was all a farce.

To say the holocaust never happened is the biggest load of bullshit i ever heard.

My grandparents were in europe at the time of the holocaust, they were jewish and saw first hand what the nazis were up, fortunately they left before things got really bad but a number of their friends and family were killed before they could get out. Why dont you tell them it never happened?

There are more holes in that Identity theory, the withspreading of the Caucasians (as you define them) is really nice. How can a small tribe counquer Europe in two thousands years and reach such high number of population?

To say the holocaust never happened is the biggest load of bullshit i ever heard.

My grandparents were in europe at the time of the holocaust, they were jewish and saw first hand what the nazis were up, fortunately they left before things got really bad but a number of their friends and family were killed before they could get out. Why dont you tell them it never happened?

Read the whole thread. It explains it all.

the Aryans were an indian tribe, i assume you are referring to the teutons?

and of course, the bible doesnt mention it silly, its a leftist crypto fascist conspiracy.

Read some history about the Aryans, they originally came from around modern Germany and set up camp in what was then Persia.

the Aryans were an indian tribe, i assume you are referring to the teutons?

and of course, the bible doesnt mention it silly, its a leftist crypto fascist conspiracy.
Aryans is a s far as I know the speakers of indoeuropean languages, what is a Teuton?

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Ok, I've seen alot of crap spouted here. How can anyone possibly say that ww2 was fake, I mean, chamberlain was replaced by churchill in 1940, surely the entire British population weren't in on some big conspiracy. The whole policy of appeasement prior to ww2 was aimed at averting it, and during this period it was clear even hitler was not sure what was going to happen, have any of you people claiming that ww2 was fake even read a history book?
Who could possibly fake such a massive clash of arms?
It was almost a natural progression from ww1, a nasion disgruntled with a seemingly unfair treaty lead to war by a corrupt dictator.

Another thing, while there were some tactical failures during the war, it wasnt badly fought, what about Rommel and his brilliant schwerpunkt concept which was so brilliantly exploited during the desert war. Most tactical failures on the germans part were due to a total lack of tactical skill from hitler.

And the holocaust, in the face of overwhelming evidence, I dont know how anyone can be obtuse enough to say otherwise, for gods sake, even the camp guards admitted to it and the footage is undisputable.
And the Americans were certainly not part of a massive conspiracy, they only entered in 1941 after they were attacked in the Pacific, which brought them out of a little thing people like to call a policy of isolation. The reasojn they became a superpower is because they were not devistated in ww1, rather, were made stronger and exploited that after the war, unlike the U.K, France and Germany. Russia status can be attributed to manpower, resources, and brutal reforms by Stalin. I'd like to see someone try and say otherwise.

Two options. Either...
1. The massive world war, involving many countries from several continents happened the way every historian (and the people who fought in it) believes it did and was real.
or...
2. It was faked flawlessly by a "New World Order" which, although it was powerful enough to lead so many to their deaths and fake an entire world war with utter secrecy, it still needed more power, which it obviously could get by faking a war. Afterall, killing people is what secret societies are about. This secret order is massive enough to start the war and had a hand in just about every government, yet left behind no evidence, no documentation, was never infiltrated by spies, and was never suspected by unafflicted governments or any legitamate historian. This order was able to perfectly place troops around the battlefield so that the outcome and duration of each battle, and thus the was, was EASILY predictable. Mostly, this elaborate order was created in order to gain them massive power with which they wouldn't do anything in particular with. Unlike option one, historians don't believe this, because all the historians are either in the pocket of the NWO, or are simply tricked by their massive, world wide coverup which is flawless in its elusivenss. They are so good, in fact, that only a few enlightened ones can see through their ploy. This army of college-dropouts hopes to one day expose the NWO for what they are!


Obviously option two is the simplest explanation. You must get awful frustrated considering that almost everyone around you is just too dumb to comprehend this!

Bah! I forgot option #3!

3. After WWI, the population of flesh-eating rats had exploded. The food in trenches and in no-man's land was abudant. However, it was dangerous for the rats. Only those who could dodge shells survived, leading to the evolution of a smarter species of flesheating rat. The natural selection of the war, combined with genetic mutations caused by the chemical warfare, created a super-evolved, ultra-intelligent breed of rat.

After WWI, it was clear that the large population of these flesh-eating rats needed more food in a bad way. In a few years, there simply wouldn't be enough to go around. Graveyards couldn't last forever. So they devised an ultra secret rat plan. They sent commando rat teams to Berlin, DC, London, Moscow, Tokyo, Paris, and elsewhere. Once there, these teams held the country's leaders and their families hostage, and effectively took control. Once in control, around summer of 1930, they set their massive plan in motion. Using the country's leaders as puppits, they slowly pushed their agenda of conflict. At first it didn't go as well as they had hoped because of a few minor miscalculations. The rats realized that as countries were slowly gearing toward war, their beloved families of flesheating rats were slowly starving back home. However, once 1939 rolled around, their plan was in full motion and the rats were once again in fat city. The second rat baby boom soon followed.

Since then, the rats, undetectable because of their small size and the fact that humans would never suspect them, have never looked back. They are still lingering in the shadows, twisting world events (and human corpses), their way.


Anyway, this option is even simpler. It makes so much sense that it has to be true. If the rats didn't start WWII, how could they have survived? You would have done the same. I'm risking all by posting this info. If I never post again, you'll know that I'm rat food...

Read the whole thread. It explains it all.

a badly titled thread, still to say WW2 was staged is crap.

Read some history about the Aryans, they originally came from around modern Germany and set up camp in what was then Persia.
Isn't it amasing that your little friend archeology says the exact opposite?

Read some history about the Aryans, they originally came from around modern Germany and set up camp in what was then Persia.That is not true. The Aryans appeared by the Indus river. The Aryans never even entered Europeean soil.

There are more holes in that Identity theory, the withspreading of the Caucasians (as you define them) is really nice. How can a small tribe counquer Europe in two thousands years and reach such high number of population?

Small Tribe? You do know that one, it was the northern House of Israel, not just one small Tribe, but rather a pretty big number of people. Two, the Ayrans were the ones who captured the Israelites of the House of Israel and they were taken North to Modern Germany as this is where the Ayrans originally came from, before they settled in Persia and India.

Read some history about the Aryans, they originally came from around modern Germany and set up camp in what was then Persia.

right...oh well, i guess that means that MAN DIDNT LAND ON THE MOON.

thanks for enlightening me.

you, sir, are a quack.

the other quack of this thread claims to be a Spartan, and i seriously doubt that. in fact, maybe i dont, since Spartans aren't famed for their intellects.

newsflash: the holocaust happened. wwII happened. they were not conspiracies to increase government control.

Bah! I forgot option #3!

3. After WWI the population of flesh-eating rats had exploded. The food in trenches and in no-man's land was abudant. However, it was dangerous for the rats. Only those who could dodge shells survived, leading to the evolution of a smarter species of flesheating rat. The natural selection of the war, combined with genetic mutations caused by the chemical warfare, created a superevolved ultra-intelligent breed of rat.

After WWI, it was clear that the large population of these rats needed more food in a bad way. In a few years, there simply wouldn't be enough to go around. Graveyards wouldn't last forever. So they devised an ultra secret rat plan. They sent commando rat teams to Berlin, DC, London, Moscow, Tokyo, Paris, and elsewhere. Once there, these teams held the country's leaders and their families hostage, and effectively took control. Once in control, around summer of 1930, they set their massive plan in motion. Using the country's leaders as puppits, they slowly pushed their agenda of conflict. At first it didn't go as well as they had hoped because of a few minor miscalculations. The rats realized that as countries were slowly gearing toward war, their beloved families of flesheating rats were slowly starving back home. However, once 1939 rolled around, their plan was in full motion and the rats were once again in fat city and the second baby boom soon followed.

Since then, the rats, undetectable because of their small size and the fact that humans would never suspect them, have never looked back. They are still lingering in the shadows, twisting world events and human corpses, their way.


Anyway, this option is even simpler. It makes so much sense that it has to be true. If the rats didn't start WWII, how could they have survived? You would have done the same. I'm risking all by posting this info. If I never post again, you'll know that I'm rat food...


How did the rats direct all the crap strategy then? You have introduced a superflous hypothesis. No cookie for you.

a badly titled thread, still to say WW2 was staged is crap.


Oh yeah. Look at the evidence. It should never have happened.

p.s. Full respect Boofheads! :D :D :D

realy enjoyed those 3 options man.

i hate conspiracy theory's, this is one of them, i've read up and studied world war 2 heap in my history class, i've also read from numerous sources such as german, russian, british and american, i don't think all those leaders got together invent fake reasons for the war, wat happened did actually happen, u think for something as big as ww2 it could be covered up so nicely, no one wanted to go to war at the start of ww2 except germany.

Good call... 6 years, 56 million dead, the whole world suffered. I suggest anyone who thinks otherwise should dunk their head in a bucket of ice cold water

How did the rats direct all the crap strategy then? You have introduced a superflous hypothesis. No cookie for you.

They controlled all the government leaders which were in touch with the men on the battlefield. They simple used them as puppets for their control. Since they had evolved to become smarter than humans, it was an easy game to play; and they became all the fatter for their wiles.

Hmm, now that I think about it, you were very suspiciously quick to discredit that theory.... How do I know that you aren't one of them??

Oh yeah. Look at the evidence. It should never have happened.
to right, it should never have happened,

but what are you saying didn't happen or was staged?

i hate conspiracy theory's, this is one of them, i've read up and studied world war 2 heap in my history class, i've also read from numerous sources such as german, russian, british and american, i don't think all those leaders got together invent fake reasons for the war, wat happened did actually happen, u think for something as big as ww2 it could be covered up so nicely, no one wanted to go to war at the start of ww2 except germany.

You cannot explain the moronic conduct of the war in any other terms. Nor can you explain all the advantages that the allies were able to garner with ease.

And if you have studied up so much, explain why france and england did not declare war on the USSR as well as Nazi germany, even though they were bound to do so by treaty.

The truth is out there.

p.s. Full respect Boofheads! :D :D :D

realy enjoyed those 3 options man.

Good thing you like that option. The rats might read that and decide to spare your life... at least until they're finished with me. (;

to right, it should never have happened,

but what are you saying didn't happen or was staged?

It was staged.

Small Tribe? You do know that one, it was the northern House of Israel, not just one small Tribe, but rather a pretty big number of people. Two, the Ayrans were the ones who captured the Israelites of the House of Israel and they were taken North to Modern Germany as this is where the Ayrans originally came from, before they settled in Persia and India.
But why can't we find any trace of s semitic culture as the discoveries we have made in the Middle east? You mean that when the Israelits reached Anatolia they just dropped off with everything israelitic and adapted themselves to every local people they counqered? That is the most silly explanation I have ever heard!

And still, sometimes you are separating the terms Aryan and Israelit. Was the Israelits slaves of the Aryans or not? If no, answer the question above, if yes, then answer my question about the israeli gene-pool, there can't be any Israelits left (which of course is why Chirstianity abolished slavery so the Israelits would forget their heritage, because we all know that the Pope is a Jew, don't we?).

were the Twin Towers in fact struck by two plane-shaped rats?

this certainly explains everything in my life.

like, this other time, this guy said to me "sit down" and like, that is soo what the evil jewish satanic new world order leaders said when they tortured me on their spaceship. everyone is in on this conspiracy except for me!

wow, this being a quack thing is quite refreshing.

That is not true. The Aryans appeared by the Indus river. The Aryans never even entered Europeean soil.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_race
http://adaniel.tripod.com/historycaste.htm
http://www.iranchamber.com/history/articles/aryan_people_origins.php

It was staged.
This is page ten and you have yet not answered me, how did any one besides US benefit from WW2? They didn't, so why fight a false war?

You cannot explain the moronic conduct of the war in any other terms. Nor can you explain all the advantages that the allies were able to garner with ease.

And if you have studied up so much, explain why france and england did not declare war on the USSR as well as Nazi germany, even though they were bound to do so by treaty.

The truth is out there.

Moronic conduct of the war like what?

They didn't declare war on USSR because the USSR

A) didn't initiate the conflict
B) was only taking back land it had previously
C) wasn't a threat to them, they had enough problems as it was with Nazi Germany
D) they knew they could never take on both nazi germany and ussr at the same time

You cannot explain the moronic conduct of the war in any other terms. Nor can you explain all the advantages that the allies were able to garner with ease.

And if you have studied up so much, explain why france and england did not declare war on the USSR as well as Nazi germany, even though they were bound to do so by treaty.

The truth is out there.

Because that would have been stupid. Besides, even though they declared war, they really didn't do anything. Thus, the 'phony war.'

What are your thoughts on the Wannsee Conference?

Aryan race and genetics

Contemporary anthropologists who believe in the existence of an ancient Aryan race generally have the opinion that its closest descendants today are the Persians, not the Germans; that is, if Aryans existed, they were white after the manner of imperial-era, pre-Muslim Persians, and possibly the Circassians and southern Slavs, but certainly not the Nordic Germans and English.

You cannot explain the moronic conduct of the war in any other terms. Nor can you explain all the advantages that the allies were able to garner with ease.

And if you have studied up so much, explain why france and england did not declare war on the USSR as well as Nazi germany, even though they were bound to do so by treaty.

The truth is out there.

Perhaps the allies didnt declare war on the USSR because the USSR weren't annexing half of Europe you quack, plus Britain and France saw the USSR as an ally, and guesse what happened... the USSR became an invaluable ally.

Because that would have been stupid. Besides, even though they declared war, they really didn't do anything. Thus, the 'phony war.'

What are your thoughts on the Wannsee Conference?

They didn't do anything because there was nothing they could do, how could they help poland or the baltic states? send troops? not really the germans moved far too quickly for anyone to be able to do anything. Besides when the war started both france and britain were relatively unprepared for it. Britains re-armament program wasn't due for completion until 1940

But why can't we find any trace of s semitic culture as the discoveries we have made in the Middle east? You mean that when the Israelits reached Anatolia they just dropped off with everything israelitic and adapted themselves to every local people they counqered? That is the most silly explanation I have ever heard!

And still, sometimes you are separating the terms Aryan and Israelit. Was the Israelits slaves of the Aryans or not? If no, answer the question above, if yes, then answer my question about the israeli gene-pool, there can't be any Israelits left (which of course is why Chirstianity abolished slavery so the Israelits would forget their heritage, because we all know that the Pope is a Jew, don't we?).

The Ayrans conqured the house of Israel, as they forgot God. They were taken north by the King of the North, and into modern Germany. There they became independent and also successful. Yahsha Messiah told the 12 to seek out these Sheep of Israel, which they wouldn't be able to find them all until the return of the Messiah as they were to far spread out. However once they travelled north and found many Israelites in Ireland the word of God spread...and continues to this day. Still we haven't found our brothers, but we will. The Blood of Abraham spreads through us, even though many Israelite women were raped, the blood still flows.

Perhaps the allies didnt declare war on the USSR because the USSR weren't annexing half of Europe you quack, plus Britain and France saw the USSR as an ally, and guesse what happened... the USSR became an invaluable ally.

What are you saying? On the eve of the invasion of Poland the Moltov Ribbentrop pact became public. The USSR and Germany divided it between them. The USSR was in exaclty the same relationship to Engalnd and france that Germany was. Yet war was only declared on germany.

The Ayrans conqured the house of Israel, as they forgot God. They were taken north by the King of the North, and into modern Germany. There they became independent and also successful. Yahsha Messiah told the 12 to seek out these Sheep of Israel, which they wouldn't be able to find them all until the return of the Messiah as they were to far spread out. However once they travelled north and found many Israelites in Ireland the word of God spread...and continues to this day. Still we haven't found our brothers, but we will. The Blood of Abraham spreads through us, even though many Israelite women were raped, the blood still flows.
I can't figure this out but the chances for having a straight bloodline back to the Israelits should be at least nonexistant...

So why the hell build a church on this?

Germany had done so much more than Russia, Czechoslovakia, Austria, The Sudetenland, The Saar, The Rhineland, they had to be stopped, Russia did not pose a threat and the allies wanted russia as an ally, the same reason the treaty of london was signed when mussolini invaded abysinnia

What are you saying? On the eve of the invasion of Poland the Moltov Ribbentrop pact became public. The USSR and Germany divided it between them. The USSR was in exaclty the same relationship to Engalnd and france that Germany was. Yet war was only declared on germany.

There was no way they could take on The USSR, Nazi Germany was a much closer threat. Germany had no reason to invade poland unless you call defending germany farmers a reason. The USSR had a reason- to get back old terriotory.

The british and french public could handle a war with germany but not the USSR, not only this but Llyod George never guaranteed Poland against the USSR.

And why on earth would they declare war against something they couldn't beat?

What are you saying? On the eve of the invasion of Poland the Moltov Ribbentrop pact became public. The USSR and Germany divided it between them. The USSR was in exaclty the same relationship to Engalnd and france that Germany was. Yet war was only declared on germany.
Because the allies were sure of that they could handle Germany?

They didn't do anything because there was nothing they could do, how could they help poland or the baltic states? send troops? not really the germans moved far too quickly for anyone to be able to do anything. Besides when the war started both france and britain were relatively unprepared for it. Britains re-armament program wasn't due for completion until 1940


Let's see...German army marches east...UK and France are sitting on the western border...and do nothing.

Because that would have been stupid. Besides, even though they declared war, they really didn't do anything. Thus, the 'phony war.'

What are your thoughts on the Wannsee Conference?

Now why is declaring war on one and not the other stupid? If anything, given the missed opportunities of the past, it just looks disingenous. Thus supporting my theory.

As to the Wannsee Conference, if we are talking about the same thing, surely given the short duration it is no more than a rubber stamp placed upon "official" policy. In other words a sop to the fanatics who never clued themselves into the real operation of the war.

I can't figure this out but the chances for having a straight bloodline back to the Israelits should be at least nonexistant...

Of course none Israelite blood would have gotten in there, but the fact remains that God understands that this would happen under captivity, he still wouldn't turn his backs on us, as proven by how successful we have become. We are still Israelites by Race.

And about the Church thing, I assume you mean the idenitity Church...I do not believe in many of their teachings that salvation is based on race, as the Torah disputes this. If you are baptized and believe you are saved.

Let's see...German army marches east...UK and France are sitting on the western border...and do nothing.

I just gave the reasons they did nothing- at least to help there allies, they couldn't.

Although they did mobilize their armies, also britain attempted to help finland as it was invaded, though this wasn't very successful

Let's see...German army marches east...UK and France are sitting on the western border...and do nothing.

Well they did kinda decleare war... idiot.
Anyway, to actually go to help Poland they would have had to have invaded germany or its surrounding allies, and they weren't that dumb

Of course none Israelite blood would have gotten in there, but the fact remains that God understands that this would happen under captivity, he still wouldn't turn his backs on us, as proven by how successful we have become. We are still Israelites by Race.

And about the Church thing, I assume you mean the idenitity Church...I do not believe in many of their teachings that salvation is based on race, as the Torah disputes this. If you are baptized and believe you are saved.
No he wouldn't, you are not an Israelit if you are born by a non-israeli woman, easy as that. We have beome succesful by denying God and breaking His words, if He existed He wouldn't be pleased...

Well they did kinda decleare war... idiot.
Anyway, to actually go to help Poland they would have had to have invaded germany or its surrounding allies, and they weren't that dumb

No kidding. Try reading other posts. Jackass.

I just gave the reasons they did nothing- at least to help there allies, they couldn't.

Although they did mobilize their armies, also britain attempted to help finland as it was invaded, though this wasn't very successful

And I disagree. They could have done more.

No kidding. Try reading other posts. Jackass.

- u were saying that the war was staged, by arguing about the phony war, how does this further ur argument?

There was no way they could take on The USSR, Nazi Germany was a much closer threat. Germany had no reason to invade poland unless you call defending germany farmers a reason. The USSR had a reason- to get back old terriotory.

The british and french public could handle a war with germany but not the USSR, not only this but Llyod George never guaranteed Poland against the USSR.

And why on earth would they declare war against something they couldn't beat?

Lloyd George had nothing to do with any of this.

At the last moment before the war, england and france signed a treaty with Poland, guarantying her territorial integrity. It did not specificy from whom, or against whom. The USSR was equally culpable as the Germans - doubly so in light of the moltov ribbentrop pact - YET THEY WERE SILENT. Indeed thaty maintained diplomatic realtions, despite treaty obligations to the contrary.

And they would declare war on the USSR for pro forma reasons. Even though they could not fight the USSR, nor could the USSR reach them (no navy). Even though the USSR was not an ally of germany it was a co-beligerent. It supplied germany with raw materials and war goods up until 1941. Thus given its invasion of Poland, not declaring war is hypocritical and farcical.

And I disagree. They could have done more.

like what?

No he wouldn't, you are not an Israelit if you are born by a non-israeli woman, easy as that. We have beome succesful by denying God and breaking His words, if He existed He wouldn't be pleased...

..."non-Israeli women" I hope you don't mean a Jewish women as they are different races. A Israelite can be a Jew, but a Jew cannot be an Israelite.

Firstly, sorry. But you did say they did nothing which is simply not true. They did what they could given their situation, which was not alot considering they were not nearly as prepared for war as their enemy. And have you heard of the Q convoys that were shipping aid to Russia, one was destroyed but they still sent a second. Again, britain had a very backward rearmament program

- u were saying that the war was staged, by arguing about the phony war, how does this further ur argument?

He told me that they declared war. I already mentioned that. A declaration without action is meaningless.

I never said the war was staged.

Lloyd George had nothing to do with any of this.

At the last moment before the war, england and france signed a treaty with Poland, guarantying her territorial integrity. It did not specificy from whom, or against whom. The USSR was equally culpable as the Germans - doubly so in light of the moltov ribbentrop pact - YET THEY WERE SILENT. Indeed thaty maintained diplomatic realtions, despite treaty obligations to the contrary.

And they would declare war on the USSR for pro forma reasons. Even though they could not fight the USSR, nor could the USSR reach them (no navy). Even though the USSR was not an ally of germany it was a co-beligerent. It supplied germany with raw materials and war goods up until 1941. Thus given its invasion of Poland, not declaring war is hypocritical and farcical.

Had they declared war they would have become locked into a war with the USSR- as the saying goes, the enemy of my enemy is my friend, Germany was an enemy of france and britain, this would have locked the two into a much closer alliance. However the opposite occurred when Germany invaded the USSR in 1941, Britain got the USSR as an ally.

Besides, it was well known that hitler wanted the European part of Russia, Stalin knew it and Churchill probably knew it as well.

Firstly, sorry. But you did say they did nothing which is simply not true. They did what they could given their situation, which was not alot considering they were not nearly as prepared for war as their enemy. And have you heard of the Q convoys that were shipping aid to Russia, one was destroyed but they still sent a second. Again, britain had a very backward rearmament program


I presume you are talking about the artic convoy route. There were many convoys sent to the USSR throughout the war, not just two. The First was in 1941, which required the permission of the US because it was a diversion of lend-lease aid.

As Churchill observed at the time, because of ncreased logistic problems the entry to the war of the USSR was initially a hinderence to plans not a help.

All faked, you see.

He told me that they declared war. I already mentioned that. A declaration without action is meaningless.

I never said the war was staged.

phew... glad to hear it

but i still don't see what britain of france could do, when war broke out they simply weren't prepared for it. Im sure is one country saw a way to end the war quickly br invading germany or stopping the Nazis before the conquered the balkans, poland etc they would have

..."non-Israeli women" I hope you don't mean a Jewish women as they are different races. A Israelite can be a Jew, but a Jew cannot be an Israelite.
They Bible says that to be entitled to the holy land and the chosen people you shall be the son or daughter of an israeli woman, I'd say that the Israelis are the same people as the Jews (or at least some Jews), you say that there are no real Israelis but a mixed race of Aryans and Israelis which still counts as the chosen people.

Lloyd George had nothing to do with any of this.

At the last moment before the war, england and france signed a treaty with Poland, guarantying her territorial integrity. It did not specificy from whom, or against whom. The USSR was equally culpable as the Germans - doubly so in light of the moltov ribbentrop pact - YET THEY WERE SILENT. Indeed thaty maintained diplomatic realtions, despite treaty obligations to the contrary.

And they would declare war on the USSR for pro forma reasons. Even though they could not fight the USSR, nor could the USSR reach them (no navy). Even though the USSR was not an ally of germany it was a co-beligerent. It supplied germany with raw materials and war goods up until 1941. Thus given its invasion of Poland, not declaring war is hypocritical and farcical.

Both leaders knew that the USSR and Germany would be at war, and it was widely accepted that both countries were enemies, therefore Britain knew that they could find an ally in the USSR, anyway, what had the USSR done to disrupt international peace prior tho that?
Also, the allies hardley had the capacity to deal with germany let alone the USSR, and the british public would not tolerate war with the USSR.
And do you remember the Hoare-Laval pact? An classic example of breaching a former agreement to try and secure an ally

A Israelite can be a Jew, but a Jew cannot be an Israelite.

It is an Israelite but you have more issues than just grammar. This is the best fallacy i have seen in a while. According to your logic an Israelite can be a Jew as long as he is not a Jew, because then he cannot be an Israelite.

you are really funny, this is cracking me up.

unfortunately others are taking you quacks seriously and getting annoyed / upset.

Well, after having read this entire thread, about all I can say is "Wow, that's an hour of sleep I'll never have back." As for the thread's author, if he says "The truth is out there" one more time, I might have to accuse him of watching one too many X-Files for his own good.

This entire thread is ridiculous. Maybe he's a history teacher, and just wants people to read more. I'm going to bed. 'Night!

It is an Israelite but you have more issues than just grammar. This is the best fallacy i have seen in a while. According to your logic an Israelite can be a Jew as long as he is not a Jew, because then he cannot be an Israelite.

you are really funny, this is cracking me up.

unfortunately others are taking you quacks seriously and getting annoyed / upset.

your right that guy is nuts.

Im a jew and also an israelite

like what?

Like paid attention to the fact that Germany was re-arming. Even the Soviets thought that the UK and France might overrun Germany early on. Which is why they did not march into Poland until two weeks AFTER France and UK declared war and then took no action.

They Bible says that to be entitled to the holy land and the chosen people you shall be the son or daughter of an israeli woman, I'd say that the Israelis are the same people as the Jews (or at least some Jews), you say that there are no real Israelis but a mixed race of Aryans and Israelis which still counts as the chosen people.

The bloodline goes through father and mother, not just mother. About 8% of Jews can call themselves true Israelites. The true Israelites apart from that 8% of Jews are what are called Caucasians. While some none Israelite blood has been placed in there by rape at the hands of the Ayrans, that doesn't mean we are no longer Israelites. God promised the land to us, our ancestors forgot God and he had them taken into captivity. But he still never left us as shown by how great a people we still are.

After the war pretty much every European power lost their empire within 20 years. Why would they purposefully go to war when they knew that it would in the end weaken their rule? Finally, are you saying that we sent all the Jews over to Palestine for a political stunt? That really Anne Frank didn't die in a concentration camp? How dare you!

your right that guy is nuts.

Im a jew and also an israelite

No your a Jew and an *Israeli, not an Israelite don't get the terms mixed up

phew... glad to hear it

but i still don't see what britain of france could do, when war broke out they simply weren't prepared for it. Im sure is one country saw a way to end the war quickly br invading germany or stopping the Nazis before the conquered the balkans, poland etc they would have

Well here's a thought. While all of Germany's army is in poland, sweep acroos the Rhine and fuck up the Ruhr basin. Faling that, take half of your 200 divisions, and establish forward defensive points when there is not actually opposition in front of you. (Indeed a courageous french corp commander did just this, but was recalled for arrogance and atempting to upset the germans).

Either way, you make the whole ardennes thing less likely.

On the other hand, you could just sit on you ass for a year with the corlds biggest army while the brits fuck around in norway, and at the very last second try to establish forward defensive points in belgiom after it is invaded, only to decide that that is crap and let panzers stream through the meuse ardenne splitting you forces.

Naturally, when this is all over, you can then decide to fight and scream about not having spitfires. Set up a vichy regime and persecute jews. But whatever.

At the outbreak of war, 1939, france had the largest army in the world.

The bloodline goes through father and mother, not just mother. About 8% of Jews can call themselves true Israelites. The true Israelites apart from that 8% of Jews are what are called Caucasians. While some none Israelite blood has been placed in there by rape at the hands of the Ayrans, that doesn't mean we are no longer Israelites. God promised the land to us, our ancestors forgot God and he had them taken into captivity. But he still never left us as shown by how great a people we still are.
Buth there can hardly be any true Israelits (which were promised the holy land), the odds are too high for that. And since we have no genetic (yes I know that I have said practially this before) material to go on, we have no way find out who is an Israelit.

Edit: GTG, well, at last I have understood how you think.

[QUOTE=The Force Majeure]He told me that they declared war. I already mentioned that. A declaration without action is meaningless.

I never said the war was staged.[/QUO

Remember that Germany and Britain did not take action at the start of the war either, leading to what I am sure you know as the phoney war. So decleration without action is sometimes the smarter option considering that britain was unprepared for war. The two powers did not really come to a head untill 1940 in the battle of britain. Believe me, aiding Russia was the least of Britains problems. Chances are they were still smarting from the Dardenelles. The best they could do was the arctic convoys. I think the first one was destroyed because the boats thought that the Tripitz was closing in, spread out and were picked off by U-Boats. Britain could only do so much against such a wide front with such limited resources remember.

It is an Israelite but you have more issues than just grammar. This is the best fallacy i have seen in a while. According to your logic an Israelite can be a Jew as long as he is not a Jew, because then he cannot be an Israelite.

you are really funny, this is cracking me up.

unfortunately others are taking you quacks seriously and getting annoyed / upset.

I mean that an Israelite can follow Judaism, and thus could be called a Jew. Where as a Jew by race cannot ever be an Israelite.

Like paid attention to the fact that Germany was re-arming. Even the Soviets thought that the UK and France might overrun Germany early on. Which is why they did not march into Poland until two weeks AFTER France and UK declared war and then took no action.

true the Allies were very very stupid, but they had populations which weren't ready for war, Germany was 'on the march' in 1935, the allies grudgingly went to war in 1939 unprepared and not wanting to go.

phew... glad to hear it

but i still don't see what britain of france could do, when war broke out they simply weren't prepared for it. Im sure is one country saw a way to end the war quickly br invading germany or stopping the Nazis before the conquered the balkans, poland etc they would have


I dunno, maybe. I can't help but think they had some false hope that Germany would stop and an all out war could be avoided.

why do i bother, arguing with religious nuts of any kind gets you nowhere.

im safe in the knowledge that im better than you ever will be, because i wrote my own bible, and on page 1 it says that God delivered that message to Moses, who is my dog.

Buth there can hardly be any true Israelits (which were promised the holy land), the odds are too high for that. And since we have no genetic (yes I know that I have said practially this before) material to go on, we have no way find out who is an Israelit.

Apart from the True Israelites would know Yahsha Messiah as their own.

I mean that an Israelite can follow Judaism, and thus could be called a Jew. Where as a Jew by race cannot ever be an Israelite.

So you mean if someone was born in america and decided to convert to Judaism they wouldn't be an israelite, yeah thats true

true the Allies were very very stupid, but they had populations which weren't ready for war, Germany was 'on the march' in 1935, the allies grudgingly went to war in 1939 unprepared and not wanting to go.

No argument there

I dunno, maybe. I can't help but think they had some false hope that Germany would stop and an all out war could be avoided.

i think thats probably true as well, they were negotiating right up until the deadline

No argument there

ahhh.... but could they have done more once the war began, i don't think they could

So you mean if someone was born in america and decided to convert to Judaism they wouldn't be an israelite, yeah thats true

...um ok if an Israelite converts to Judaism, then he is still an Israelite but could be called Jewish because of his religious ties to Judaism. If a Jew is born a Jew he is just that a Jew, not an Israelite.

Does anyone think that this thread's author is really a permenant resident of Bellvue? I have been trying to make sense of this topic but alas there is no sense here. I direct your attention to www.moontruth.com. I think it is the same author.
As far as the Jew/Israelite issue again just some lonely, misunderstood, unpublished quack trying to make his/her mark. Best to just ignore it.

...um ok if an Israelite converts to Judaism, then he is still an Israelite but could be called Jewish because of his religious ties to Judaism. If a Jew is born a Jew he is just that a Jew, not an Israelite.

but what if their parents were israeli's? im classified as an israelite and a jew, my parents were that as well.

ahhh.... but could they have done more once the war began, i don't think they could

Actually, they could have. The French had the best tanks; the char B and so on. With the right tactics, Germany could have been stopped, but the allies were hopeless, they used their tanks in small bits to be annihalated by the brilliant panzer commanders. Even the offensive they launched into the Germans southern flank which could have been a success failed miserably due to poor tactics. It lead to a Dunkirk and half the BEF being captured. It was different in the desert though with a very succesfull counter attack into Italian territory, around fort Cuppuzo, but that is later on.
And yes, I think there was a feeling among the allies just before the outbreak that the whole thing would blow over, that was the whole point of appeasement.

Both leaders knew that the USSR and Germany would be at war, and it was widely accepted that both countries were enemies, therefore Britain knew that they could find an ally in the USSR, anyway, what had the USSR done to disrupt international peace prior tho that?
Also, the allies hardley had the capacity to deal with germany let alone the USSR, and the british public would not tolerate war with the USSR.
And do you remember the Hoare-Laval pact? An classic example of breaching a former agreement to try and secure an ally

No, it never was widely accepted. In fact officially relations between the USSR and engalnd were horrible, due to england having invaded and occupied parts of the USSR in 1919 and not withdrawing until 1921.

There was also no evidence that the situation would get better in 1940, as is made clear by the USSR's invasion of finland, Hence the fucking around in Norway,

Am I the only person here that knows any history?

What really was happening of course, was that by 1930, the European powers had accepted their lesser role, and key figure agreed to the set piece of WWII as a mechanism to transition the world to the USA/USSR authoritarian regime. They were guaranteed a decent place in the new world order and, so, the went along with it.

A telling part of the whole story is after the war, de Gaulle, in his never ending attempt to de-rail the new world order, saw the need for a pan european bloc, and commenced laying the ground work for the EU. (He also rejected Britian for her lap dog attitude towards the NWO).

If only de gaulle could be cloned and lead us again.

ahhh.... but could they have done more once the war began, i don't think they could



The French were content to sit behind their mag line.

Germany had 25 divisions on its western front in 1939, the allies: 110

Let me get the source for this

Well here's a thought. While all of Germany's army is in poland, sweep acroos the Rhine and fuck up the Ruhr basin. Faling that, take half of your 200 divisions, and establish forward defensive points when there is not actually opposition in front of you. (Indeed a courageous french corp commander did just this, but was recalled for arrogance and atempting to upset the germans).

Either way, you make the whole ardennes thing less likely.

On the other hand, you could just sit on you ass for a year with the corlds biggest army while the brits fuck around in norway, and at the very last second try to establish forward defensive points in belgiom after it is invaded, only to decide that that is crap and let panzers stream through the meuse ardenne splitting you forces.

Naturally, when this is all over, you can then decide to fight and scream about not having spitfires. Set up a vichy regime and persecute jews. But whatever.

At the outbreak of war, 1939, france had the largest army in the world.

Yes thats what i would have done, but this till doesn't prove the war was staged, simply that the allies were foolish, but were not military geniuses here they probably had their reasons

And why is Austraelite trying to educate me on what race i am?

true the Allies were very very stupid, but they had populations which weren't ready for war, Germany was 'on the march' in 1935, the allies grudgingly went to war in 1939 unprepared and not wanting to go.


AGHHHH.

England had been preparing for war since 37.

France had the largest army in the world. What do you mean not prepared.

Yes, much of what is told us about WW2 is bullshit. At least what is told about the Eastern front.

For example, the battle which was said to be the biggest tank battle in history, the battle of Kursk.

Soviets said there were thousands of tanks on both sides. The truth is, that Soviets had somewhere about 1400 tanks and germans about 300. And by the end of battle, both sides had somewhere about 150 tanks left. Because German tanks we're so much more powerful.

AGHHHH.

England had been preparing for war since 37.

France had the largest army in the world. What do you mean not prepared.

I mean they weren't nearly as prepared as Germany was, both mentally a physically,

Also im not so sure France had the largest army in the world, didn't germany take over in 1938 with the largest army.

England may have been preparing but its programs weren't due for completion till 1941

AGHHHH.

England had been preparing for war since 37.

France had the largest army in the world. What do you mean not prepared.

I mean they weren't nearly as prepared as Germany was, both mentally a physically,

Also im not so sure France had the largest army in the Europe, didn't germany take over in 1938 with the largest army. The USSR had the worlds largest army

England may have been preparing but its programs weren't due for completion till 1941

excellent point. Nothing stated so far has any real bearing on proving that WWII never happened. What kind of sense does it make to willingly deceive millions of people around the world into thinking that their loved ones were killed. By the way, where are all of these people that didn't die in WWII. Where did they disappear to? Did the aliens take them? or was it Big Foot? "The truth is out there"

No, it never was widely accepted. In fact officially relations between the USSR and engalnd were horrible, due to england having invaded and occupied parts of the USSR in 1919 and not withdrawing until 1921.

There was also no evidence that the situation would get better in 1940, as is made clear by the USSR's invasion of finland, Hence the fucking around in Norway,




Fact: Germany and The USSR hated each other
Fact: Everyone knew it,
Fact: Germany and The USSR that the Ribbintrop-Molotov pact was a sham, remember, hitler did not hide his desire for Lebensraum
Fact: War between the USSR and Germany was practiacally inevitable

Also, given the choice between Germany and the USSR, Britain would declear war on Germany first as Germany was a greater threat, and they did hope that the USSR would declear war on Germany. Alot of the allies fucking around was mainly for stupid tactical and political reasons

excellent point. Nothing stated so far has any real bearing on proving that WWII never happened. What kind of sense does it make to willingly deceive millions of people around the world into thinking that their loved ones were killed. By the way, where are all of these people that didn't die in WWII. Where did they disappear to? Did the aliens take them? or was it Big Foot? "The truth is out there"

exactly, currently youv'e proved the Allies were foolish, nothing else

Yes thats what i would have done, but this till doesn't prove the war was staged, simply that the allies were foolish, but were not military geniuses here they probably had their reasons

It's not a matter of not having millitary genius. It's a matter of deliberately shaping the direction of the war. Any fool can see what to do with a large unopposed force. Assuming for the sake of argument only, that everyone was still locked into the WWI mentality, even then an unopposed quick thrust with the maginuat line to fall back on, is still the correct move.

There is no reason for the sitting on hands, whatsoever.

I also saw in your earlier posts a reference to the North African campaign. How do you explain the withdrawl of Wavells best divisions for guard duty right at the moment he is about to completely vanquish the axis forces.

It was all a farce.

excellent point. Nothing stated so far has any real bearing on proving that WWII never happened. What kind of sense does it make to willingly deceive millions of people around the world into thinking that their loved ones were killed. By the way, where are all of these people that didn't die in WWII. Where did they disappear to? Did the aliens take them? or was it Big Foot? "The truth is out there" Come to think of it, is there any evidence that the Roman Empire is not just a huge conspiracy? It could be… (I don't believe it to be, though)!

I mean they weren't nearly as prepared as Germany was, both mentally a physically,

Also im not so sure France had the largest army in the Europe, didn't germany take over in 1938 with the largest army. The USSR had the worlds largest army

England may have been preparing but its programs weren't due for completion till 1941


France actually did, they were just very poorly lead, I mean the maginot line, give me a break, they were to inflexible to see an attack through the Ardennes

It's not a matter of not having millitary genius. It's a matter of deliberately shaping the direction of the war. Any fool can see what to do with a large unopposed force. Assuming for the sake of argument only, that everyone was still locked into the WWI mentality, even then an unopposed quick thrust with the maginuat line to fall back on, is still the correct move.

There is no reason for the sitting on hands, whatsoever.

I also saw in your earlier posts a reference to the North African campaign. How do you explain the withdrawl of Wavells best divisions for guard duty right at the moment he is about to completely vanquish the axis forces.

It was all a farce.

If its a farce then its the most disgusting farce i've ever seen, what on earth would motivate people to stage a war in which 50 million people die as well as trillions in dollars of damage

It is a farce staged by the aliens remember.

I also saw in your earlier posts a reference to the North African campaign. How do you explain the withdrawl of Wavells best divisions for guard duty right at the moment he is about to completely vanquish the axis forces.

It was all a farce.


Wavells forces were sent to Greece to try and stem the German tide of advance...
The farce theory is sick and stupid. The entire population of britain cant have been in on it, and they voted chamberlain out in favor of churchill, whose actions certainly did not resemble a farce. If there was, then chamberlain was in on it, then he left, no more farce, that point alone dislodges any farce argument. The British public cant have been in on it and you cannot say they were brainwashed, its not possible.

It is a farce staged by the aliens remember.

ahhhh... but of course, a very educated conclusion, it was the aliens.

But if it wasn' the aliens then wat was the motivation behind thiss supposed "farce"

I mean they weren't nearly as prepared as Germany was, both mentally a physically,

Also im not so sure France had the largest army in the Europe, didn't germany take over in 1938 with the largest army. The USSR had the worlds largest army

England may have been preparing but its programs weren't due for completion till 1941

No, france had the largest army in the world until 1940, when it collapsed.

In 1938, Germany's army was arounf 36 divisions (active). It matured a lot in the next twelve months. Hence the sham of munich.

While it is true that england's munition programme (as planned in 37) would not mature until 41, much of it was already productive.

Another piece of evidence to the shame, The RAF was approached by Fracnk Whittle in 1931 with a proposal to develop a jst fighter. After intial enthusiam, the programm was cancelled from above. No reason given.

After the war the Banks M-1 programme was cancelled, at that time it was not considered proper for England to build a mach 1 plus fighter. Again no reason given. At least not by under secretary Fitzspicer, the unelected offical who chose to do so.

It's all a conspiracy. Thank god for de gaulle.

Wavells forces were sent to Greece to try and stem the German tide of advance...

The first force reduction occured prior to that.

No, france had the largest army in the world until 1940, when it collapsed.

In 1938, Germany's army was arounf 36 divisions (active). It matured a lot in the next twelve months. Hence the sham of munich.

While it is true that england's munition programme (as planned in 37) would not mature until 41, much of it was already productive.

Another piece of evidence to the shame, The RAF was approached by Fracnk Whittle in 1931 with a proposal to develop a jst fighter. After intial enthusiam, the programm was cancelled from above. No reason given.

After the war the Banks M-1 programme was cancelled, at that time it was not considered proper for England to build a mach 1 plus fighter. Again no reason given. At least not by under secretary Fitzspicer, the unelected offical who chose to do so.

It's all a conspiracy. Thank god for de gaulle.

you maintain its a conspiracy but don't give reasons, just proof it was. So wats the reasons behind the conspiracy then we can argue the proof.

It's all a conspiracy. Thank god for de gaulle.

But like I said, de Gaulle was against reuniting Germany after WW2. Or was that just made up?

Well it didn't. As we all know it was faked up as part of a leftist crypto fascist conspiracy.

But that is not really what interests me here, I am now gathering evidence that world war two was faked.

So far my results are pretty conclusive. I think at this point it is safe to say that the whole thing was pre-arranged by the powers that be in order to make it look like there was some form of "global" conflict between the major powers. But really what was the result. At the end of the day, pretty, much everyone ended up where they were before the war, so what was the point?

I'll tell you, it was a crypto fascist plot to justify the increase in government authority. Prove me wrong.

Good luck, and if they people in black with the pretty stray jacket arrive with the happy needle, don't look at me.

The allies did not want to build a jet fighter.... DEAR GOD, THE ENTIRE SECOND WORLD WAR WAS A FARCE!! Give me a break... the war was entered into by most parties unwillingly, hence the policy of appeasement

If its a farce then its the most disgusting farce i've ever seen, what on earth would motivate people to stage a war in which 50 million people die as well as trillions in dollars of damage


I too was sickened when I first realised it. It's not an easy thing to live with. I wish it was different.

The reason for not advancing the British War machine after the war is simple. The british as well as the rest of the west had enough of war. It was not forseable that there would be another war n the near future that would require a Mach 1 fighter. the same is true for the Pancake plane project from the US Navy. It was no longer necessary to have an aircraft that could take off and land at extremely low speed therefore the project was cancelled in 1946. It's called Macro- Economics. Read a book.

I too was sickened when I first realised it. It's not an easy thing to live with. I wish it was different.

come on, some reasons why on earth people would come up with the idea to do such an insane thing as deliberately create the worlds most destructive war,

The first force reduction occured prior to that.


Ahhh, quite true, let me explain. Britain was doing very well in the desert and did not appear in immediate danger, the homeland however did appear in danger and troops were needed to protect it. Wavells advance continued as smoothly without the troops I am quite sure

But like I said, de Gaulle was against reuniting Germany after WW2. Or was that just made up?


De Gaulle did his best to derail the allied war effort. It is well documented. After the war he deliberatley set out to screw up the new world order with a strong independant france.

De Gaulle actually reached out to germany in the late 40's and created the basis for a pan-european power. Clearly his hopes were to sub silento sow the seeds of a counterweight to the US and USSR. He did well. He is a hero.

this debate springs from an argument so pointlessly stupid that i fail to see why it's still being discussed. talk about wasting time.

De Gaulle did his best to derail the allied war effort. It is well documented. After the war he deliberatley set out to screw up the new world order with a strong independant france.

De Gaulle actually reached out to germany in the late 40's and created the basis for a pan-european power. Clearly his hopes were to sub silento sow the seeds of a counterweight to the US and USSR. He did well. He is a hero.

reasons as to why its a farce?

also i finally found stats on army sizes, Germany had a larger regular army but France had more men that it could call upon.

France= 900000 regular soldiers and 5 million to call upon
Germany (at the time of the western offensive)= 1.5 million, largest it grew to- 3 million

Ahhh, quite true, let me explain. Britain was doing very well in the desert and did not appear in immediate danger, the homeland however did appear in danger and troops were needed to protect it. Wavells advance continued as smoothly without the troops I am quite sure

No. And it didn't.

You can't withdraw troops from the desert and cart them 9,000 miles to the homeland with any chance of getting there in time to do anything. And if you don't know why it was 9,000 miles, then you don't apreciate the farce.

As to your jet engine point. Two words. Tube Alloys. In exsitence since the early thirties. One weapon is good, the other is bad? Even when there is no way of delivering the weapon you are developing properly without the one you are not?

Hmmm.

Edit: Plus the desert conflict didn't hot up until after the fall of france.

Oh. :eek:
My. :headbang:
God. :sniper:

I haven't seen this much bullshit in one place since I visited a farm as an 8-year-old. What is wrong with you people? I knew the human race had tendencies towards cruelty, but this much?

I have to say, there'll always be a few nuts out there who'll think everything is a conspiracy, but wow. Some of us just have too much spare time. :rolleyes: Daydreaming will get the best of ya! Anyway, it makes me sad that a race should recieve so much of human intolerance. People are people, people! Any colour or religion or culture has just as many holes in it as any other. A white milk-smelling jerk and a black curly-haired jerk and a tanned hook-nosed jerk and a brown towel-head jerk and a yellow tilty-eyes jerk are still just a huge band of jerks. And pardon me the crude descriptions of the races - I'm just making a point.

As for "fucking around" in Norway during WWII: Norway has a coastal line which is very useful if you're planning to attack the UK from the sea. Also, the nooks in the fjords were exellent for hiding bunkers and for weapon storage and lookout-points. Plus Norway was quite productive when it comes to heavy water... so "fucking around" is not the term I'd have used.

How you feel if in fifty years people were saying that September 11 "never happened." That their arguments is that it was staged by the American government, and everyone was involved. The whole city of New York!!!!

People must understand that 'big' global events - wars, terrorism, moon landing, etc - are very significant and thereby people devote an incredible amount of energy and gain a huge amount of pleasure from being able to "prove wrong" something that was big. But it's ridicuulous, you can say i never woke up today because there is no evidence that i did.

To say WWII was staged, that it actually did not happen is just an amazing claim to make. Attention-seeking and specifically designed to get a response (like this one :) )

I think given the amount of evidence in favour of the second world war not being a farce, and the fact that as of yet I have heard no one give any reason for there actually being a farce, I feel the natural conclusion was the whole point of the second world war was to quell the axis superpowers from creating havoc. There is little evidence suggesting otherwise

This is specifically for lacademon, can you give any of us reasons as to why its a conspiracy not proof such as how the allies were stupid but reasons e.g. they felt like

reasons as to why its a farce?

also i finally found stats on army sizes, Germany had a larger regular army but France had more men that it could call upon.

France= 900000 regular soldiers
Germany (at the time of the western offensive)= 1.5 million

France 200 divisions in 1939. As the saying goes "thank god for the french army"

They were all called up before the war was declare.

At the same time I believe that germany had less than 100.

By 42, germany did have more men under arms than france ever did. But by then France was out of the war.

No. And it didn't.

As to your jet engine point. Two words. Tube Alloys. In exsitence since the early thirties. One weapon is good, the other is bad? Even when there is no way of delivering the weapon you are developing properly without the one you are not?

Hmmm.

Edit: Plus the desert conflict didn't hot up until after the fall of france.

No country had any fucking jets untill 1944, and even then in few amounts. If they were there, then why the fuck were there no jets in the early thirties?????

THERE WAS NO GODDAM FARCE!!

I am inclined to agree with the conclusion of the good ravensburk. If I were a judge presiding over this case I would throw it out for many reasons; failure to make Prima Facia case, failure to provide cause of action, failure to collect evidence of any kind, wasting the courts time, pissing me off, false reporting, the list goes on!

Well since this thread has now reached sixteen pages. I will tell you why it is a conspiracy.

I made it all up. (And beat my previous record of twelve pages).

Good job guys. It was fun.

Thanks for participating in my parody thread. You have to admit that is more fun than the usual abortion/god/ACLU crap.

Anyway, I enjoyed myself. I just wish I named the thread a little better. Too agressive with my marketing I think. I'll tey to be less offensive next time. In retrospect i regret starting with the holocaust.

Anyway I had fun though.

France 200 divisions in 1939. As the saying goes "thank god for the french army"

They were all called up before the war was declare.

At the same time I believe that germany had less than 100.

By 42, germany did have more men under arms than france ever did. But by then France was out of the war.


Okay, France's army=Very big
Germanys army= not so big

The french were stupid and the Germans were smart, and therefore they won.
What is so hard to understand, Napoleons army was bigger than wellingtons was it not. Simple as that

No country had any fucking jets untill 1944, and even then in few amounts. If they were there, then why the fuck were there no jets in the early thirties?????

THERE WAS NO GODDAM FARCE!!

Actually, whittle tubines were available from 1936 onwards, he just couldn't get funding to build a plane. I did research this topic.

France 200 divisions in 1939. As the saying goes "thank god for the french army"

They were all called up before the war was declare.

At the same time I believe that germany had less than 100.

By 42, germany did have more men under arms than france ever did. But by then France was out of the war.

i don't think it matters much to be honest.

But according to these stats http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/2WWarmedforces.htm

france had a larger army but a smaller regular army and germany had a larger regular army but smaller overall army

Holy shit man, you had me fooled, now I dont know what the hell to believe.
And yes... I did have fun (goddamit) :) :headbang:

Holy shit man, you had me fooled, now I dont know what the hell to believe.
And yes... I did have fun (goddamit) :) :headbang:

Admit it. It was a fine piece of work on both our parts. Something to be proud of.

Now you reveal to us it was a parody?!


Ah this is the flame war you spoke of. Good luck, you're gonna need it.
A long time ago in a thread far, far away . . .

FLAME WARS

Episode I: The Flaming Menace . . .

Well since this thread has now reached sixteen pages. I will tell you why it is a conspiracy.

I made it all up. (And beat my previous record of twelve pages).

Good job guys. It was fun.

Thanks for participating in my parody thread. You have to admit that is more fun than the usual abortion/god/ACLU crap.

Anyway, I enjoyed myself. I just wish I named the thread a little better. Too agressive with my marketing I think. I'll tey to be less offensive next time. In retrospect i regret starting with the holocaust.

Anyway I had fun though.

wtf u mean u've just been wasting our time!!!!!

wtf u mean u've just been wasting our time!!!!!


Oh you had fun. That's the main thing.

What your saying is an insult to the 8 million men who died to free Europe from the Terranical reign of a mad mass murderer. And this is even a bigger insult to the 16 million that Hitler had murdered in his concentration camps! If you want proof i GIVE YOU PROOF! I'M LIVING IN WARSAW,POLAND AT THE MOMENT, YOU WALK DOWN TO OLD TOWN WHERE THE POLSIH REISTANCE WAS SLAUGHTERED BY THE NAZIS, AND LET SLAUGHTERED BY THE RUSSIANS WHO SAT AND WATCHED FROM ACROSS THE RIVER, YOU COME HERE AND SEE ALL THE CANDLES THAT BURN IN HONOR FO THEIR SACRIFICE; YOU ARE NOTHING MORE THAN AN IDIOT BLINDED BY WHAT YOU THINK IS PROPAGANDA! FAKED! HOW IS THE DEATH OF BOTH MY GRANDFATHERS, AND 5 OF MY GREAT UNCLES IN WWII FAKE, I SUPPOSE THEY REALLY SAT IN AMERICA JUST HIDDING FROM THEIR FAMILIES AND THE ARMY TOLD THEM THEIR DEAD, IS THAT IT!?! HUH? OR IS IT MY NEIGHBOR ALFRED JOWORSKI WHO WAS 7 YEARS OLD IN A CONCENTRATION CAMP WITH HIS ARM TATOOED A LYER TOO!!?

I ask you, have you not seen the pictures. the bodies piled higher than a grown man. Of the cattle trains that took them to their last resting place. The trucks with their exaust pipes pulled up into the sealed back where Jews would die from the fumes? How can you say that it was all fake? I've walked the cemetaries seeing the tombs of those who died giving their dreams and hopes up in return for peace for their children. I pity you. For you have been blinded to what is the truth and therefore at a loss of what our grandfathers fought for and died for. Yes I pity you, I only hope that one day you will open your eyes, and if this is just some spam, well you put it in the wrong forum.

still not funny even if it is fake...

Oh you had fun. That's the main thing.

true, but ur lucky im on my holiday or else i'd come over there (whereever u r) and kick ur arse

Mr Lacadaemon,
what you have just said is the most insanely idiotic thing I've ever heard. at no point in your rambling, incoherent babblings did you ever come to anything that could be considered a rational thought. We are all now dumber for having read it. I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul.