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Ok this is the point I have to say you got to be kidding right? You cant possibly be this ignorant. (god I hope not)

But since you are agnostic, you don't believe in god or gods...
I think you are merely shamming being not-muslim.

But since you are agnostic, you don't believe in god or gods...
I think you are merely shamming being not-muslim.
Again incorrect (you are good at this) agnostic means that you are not sure you can PROVE there is a god
(and if we read into it, it was just an expression … but I don’t expect you to understand that)

Atheism is the belief that there is no god

As for my “shamming” you are welcome to read my views on both the homosexual thread and throughout any of the creationism as science or any other religious thread

I was catholic before I learned better
Now I am agnostic (as of the last 4 years … certainly longer then I have been posting on here)

Ladies and Gentlemen, place your bets:

As the result of a subsequent attack on the US by an Islamic terror organization using some form of WMD, would the US then proceed with:

a) nuclear strikes at various targets
b) more invasion of other countries
c) a modern implementation of the provisions of the Wannsee Conference, except against Muslims

or,
d) all of the above

Don't answer what you would like to do. Answer what you think the reaction will be.

I should like to point you to the post of one of the previous muslim posters who stated that: all muslims are brothers and sisters.

That being so, I see not point WHATSOEVER in differentation, with the possible ( no, certain! ) exception of such islamic sects as the Ahmadiyya's ( of whom there are plenty in India ) who are completely pacifistic, much like the Dunkers during the American Civil War, and are despised by their 'brothers'.

It is silly to differentiate between such close-knit brothers. Have a fight with one, and you have a fight with them all.

War is the recourse our enemies have chosen, and I say, give 'em all they want.


We are not fighting against flesh and blood, but a ideaology of fanatism on a world wide scale.

To totally annihilate them, would breed more fanatics, eventually, we'll have to start killing ourselves, because of people sympathising over the genocide.

I personally think there is no plausible solution to end this war on terror. However, I do believe we can bring it down to a minimal level through education and moderation of the Islamic religion.

Unfortunately, the arab countries have to step up and clam down their own fanatics themselves.

War is not the answer. You fight one, you fight them all. Fair enough, you kill someone's family, the cycle of hate starts.

Now let's look at the true comparisons.

A group of Saudi Nationals flies planes into 3 buildings. They kill ~3000 people. Our nation is outraged, hurt, scared, and mad.

We go to Afghanistan. We take out an entire government. They helped train and run the organization. It is a fair attack.

We then go to Iraq. We kill 10000-15000 people.
What did these people do to us?
According to some people, "They are muslim" is good enough. HUH?!?!

This country had nothing to do with the attacks on our soil. They weren't an immediate threat, they weren't even capable of fighting Iran. We go in, kill 10 thousand people, and you folks say it is okay?

And I am not talking insurgents, I am talking about innocents. The insurgents deserved to be brought to justice. No one should get beheaded.
Though no one should get shot in the head after already being a casualty.
If we stoop to the level of what we are condemning, we have no credibility.
If we condone torture, and the killing of prisoners, we are no better. I don't care if the enemy won't play by the rules, we are supposed to be better than the enemy anyway.

I am just as pissed at the military for allowing the treatment of prisoners to include psychological torture, and for putting a man back in action that had been shot in the face the day before. That man had no business being on the front line again. He had been shot in the face, how can you expect someone that came that close to dying at the hands of the enemy combatants to react rationally when put into a possibly dangerous situation the very next day? He should never have been there. We have a large number of troops wounded, crippled, and emotionally and mentally scarred right now. They miss their families and are put in harms way just so a bunch of a-holes in charge can feel better or line their pockets. I may have nothing against muslims, but I sure as hell have something against the men that put my friends in that hell.

Now before you go saying, "well they started a war, let's give it to them" how about you join the military. If you have never been in the military, go take a flying leap. You shouldn't talk. Until you have had the possibility of dying because of your beliefs, you have no credibility in my book. The greatest war mongers in recent history have been men that dodged the draft with college deferrments, and being nice and safe in the air-national guard. No one that has been shot at wants to put someone else in that situation.

War is not the answer. You fight one, you fight them all. Fair enough, you kill someone's family, the cycle of hate starts.

Now let's look at the true comparisons.

A group of Saudi Nationals flies planes into 3 buildings. They kill ~3000 people. Our nation is outraged, hurt, scared, and mad.

We go to Afghanistan. We take out an entire government. They helped train and run the organization. It is a fair attack.

We then go to Iraq. We kill 10000-15000 people.
What did these people do to us?
According to some people, "They are muslim" is good enough. HUH?!?!

This country had nothing to do with the attacks on our soil. They weren't an immediate threat, they weren't even capable of fighting Iran. We go in, kill 10 thousand people, and you folks say it is okay?

And I am not talking insurgents, I am talking about innocents. The insurgents deserved to be brought to justice. No one should get beheaded.
Though no one should get shot in the head after already being a casualty.
If we stoop to the level of what we are condemning, we have no credibility.
If we condone torture, and the killing of prisoners, we are no better. I don't care if the enemy won't play by the rules, we are supposed to be better than the enemy anyway.

I am just as pissed at the military for allowing the treatment of prisoners to include psychological torture, and for putting a man back in action that had been shot in the face the day before. That man had no business being on the front line again. He had been shot in the face, how can you expect someone that came that close to dying at the hands of the enemy combatants to react rationally when put into a possibly dangerous situation the very next day? He should never have been there. We have a large number of troops wounded, crippled, and emotionally and mentally scarred right now. They miss their families and are put in harms way just so a bunch of a-holes in charge can feel better or line their pockets. I may have nothing against muslims, but I sure as hell have something against the men that put my friends in that hell.

Now before you go saying, "well they started a war, let's give it to them" how about you join the military. If you have never been in the military, go take a flying leap. You shouldn't talk. Until you have had the possibility of dying because of your beliefs, you have no credibility in my book. The greatest war mongers in recent history have been men that dodged the draft with college deferrments, and being nice and safe in the air-national guard. No one that has been shot at wants to put someone else in that situation.

En bref: Sorry... but I have served. In OUR Army, obviously not yours.


Requote: War is not the answer. You fight one, you fight them all. Fair enough, you kill someone's family, the cycle of hate starts.

Between 911 on the islamic side, and Abu Ghraid on the American side, I consider the thought of reconcilitation utterly and thorougly pointless. The Cycle HAS started. They call it the 'logic of war' because it IS logic.

I fought in the last Gulf War, killed 41 people, and I have no problems with the current war.

I have many friends over there, and they are having a good time and they feel good about what they are doing.

There are many Iraqis over there who thank our soldiers for overthrowing Saddam and killing the insurgents every day. The news is never going to interview those Iraqis, because the news is against the war.

If you're wondering, I only killed people that shot at me. I wanted them to feel that they were doing well before they died.

I fought in the last Gulf War, killed 41 people, and I have no problems with the current war.

I have many friends over there, and they are having a good time and they feel good about what they are doing.

There are many Iraqis over there who thank our soldiers for overthrowing Saddam and killing the insurgents every day. The news is never going to interview those Iraqis, because the news is against the war.

When I was in the USAF and deployed to the middle east, I used to enjoy going to the command post to watch the war live on TV. It was always amusing to watch the live video feed from the munitions as they travelled to their targets. Usually a radar truck or anti-aircraft gun. Seeing the Iraqi soldiers trying to run at the last minute was always good for a laugh. You know they did not make it.....