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Actually your comment was
I simply pointed out that whilst that is what many are doing, many more of them are not. The connection seems existent to me.
If 40% of 2 combined groups constituting a statistic means that the statistic represents 'many many more' of that group than are not represented, what does that say about the fact that non-members of the group make up the larger 60%.

I stated simply that many of the group referred to are getting on with it. Can you explain exactly what part of this assertion you disagree with, without contradicting your comments

You will be aware that there are significantly less Maori in New Zealand than non-Maori, and the official Maori unemployment rate is three times that of non-Maori.


Why would I? I quoted what was relevent to the point, however if you can see anything that materially effects my argument, which wasnt included, it's strange that you didnt just quote it, as I did when I perceived you had left out materially relevent context. I invite you to do so.

Actually I have no interest or need in doing so. Nor have I ever stated that your comments were not relevent to the topic we are discussing. I made comments, you appeared to reply to them, I challenged the relevence of your replies to the arguments I was making. The onus is on you to prove that your challenge is robust, the onus on me is only to defend my own argument/s, there is no onus on me to invent a link between your comments and mine, just so I can then refute that link.

Hang on, were you replying to me or not? My assertion regarding relevence, was that your comments were not relevent to any point I was making (ie they did not materially effect the right or wrongness of any point I was making). Now you either disagree with this, in which case, I invite you to posit your argument in support of your opinion, or in fact you do agree that your comments were not materially relevent to any of my arguments, in which case, I'm not sure what exactly you are disagreeing with...

I am not talking to you personally, and not necessarily disagreeing with you either; my comments are/were made in response to the topics which I thought we are/were discussing. Perhaps I should have quoted K&M, or quoted both of you. Perhaps I would be better off not quoting anybody next time. But whatever.

You will be aware that there are significantly less Maori and Polynesians in New Zealand than non-Maori, and the official Maori unemployment rate is three times that of non-Maori.
You will be aware that you stated that many many more Maori and polynesians are not getting on with it, than are, and yet that you also stated that
You are right in stating that most Maori are working or studying.
It is not both true that many many more Maori are 'not getting on with it' and 'most Maori are working or studying' since these two premesis are contradictory, and thus cannot both be true. I know which is my position...what I cant work out is what yours is, since you both state that the majority of Maori are and are not getting on with it...so which is your opinion
I was correct in stating that many Maori are getting on with it,
or
you are incorrect in stating that most Maori are either working or studying?


I am not talking to you personally,
Right, it might save some confusion then if you didnt place comments that have every appearence of being a reply, underneath quoted comments that you are not replying to...

and not necessarily disagreeing with you either; my comments are/were made in response to the topics which I thought we are/were discussing. Perhaps I should have quoted K&M, or quoted both of you. Perhaps I would be better off not quoting anybody next time. But whatever.
I think the best line of action would be to not quote some of what someone said, post your comments in such a way that they appear designed to reply to the quoted comments you posted under, before then quoting the next peice of someone's comments with still more comments of your own underneath that appear to be designed as a reply to the quoted comments you are placing them under....it would also be helpful if your comments were internally consistent (ie, if you desisted from contradicting yourself).

You will be aware that you stated that many many more Maori and polynesians are not getting on with it, than are, and yet that you also stated that
You are right in stating that most Maori are working or studying.
It is not both true that many many more Maori are 'not getting on with it' and 'most Maori are working or studying' since these two premesis are contradictory, and thus cannot both be true. I know which is my position...what I cant work out is what yours is, since you both state that the majority of Maori are and are not getting on with it...so which is your opinion
I was correct in stating that many Maori are getting on with it,
or
you are incorrect in stating that most Maori are either working or studying?

The word 'most' should have been 'many' in my post. If that is fixed, then my position should appear clearer. I believe that whilst many Maori are hard working and 'getting on with it', there are still a significant number of others who are not - and the statistics seem to support this.

it would also be helpful if your comments were internally consistent (ie, if you desisted from contradicting yourself).

I don't see any contradictions other than the above already mentioned and explained...

The word 'most' should have been 'many' in my post. If that is fixed, then my position should appear clearer. I believe that whilst many Maori are hard working and 'getting on with it', there are still a significant number of others who are not - and the statistics seem to support this.



I don't see any contradictions other than the above already mentioned and explained...
mmm, well I'll have to take your word for it, but surely you can understand how I would be confused when I post 'many are doing X' and you post a reply that appears to refute that, then state that not only do many do as I suggest, but that most do, then change it back to many...
So am I clear in understanding that you believe many do get on with it (just as I stated initially), and many do not get on with it (an assertion which is not contrary to anything I actually posted)?

mmm, well I'll have to take your word for it, but surely you can understand how I would be confused when I post 'many are doing X' and you post a reply that appears to refute that, then state that not only do many do as I suggest, but that most do, then change it back to many...
So am I clear in understanding that you believe many do get on with it (just as I stated initially), and many do not get on with it (an assertion which is not contrary to anything I actually posted)?

Correct. Sorry for the confusion, and point taken. :)

At best, the premise
'living on the dole is easy'
is only as true as the premise
'living on the dole is hard'.
I suggest the latter is in fact more true than the earlier.

I think it means he felt the dole was easy for him personally.

Anyway....

What does everyone think of legalised prostitution?

:( Yes, a thread on the internal politics of New Zealand. I don't know whether this is a waste of time or not, but any other Kiwis about these forums?
My wife and myself applied for immigration into NZ about 25 years ago. Understandably we needed to have a job there before being allowed to permanently enter the country. The jobs we were offered: cutting trees and shearing sheep. We were informed there was no need whatsoever for doctors and teachers. Bringing a substantial amount of money -which we didn't have at the time- and investing it in NZ companies would be welcomed as an alternative, though.

We're still living in Europe now ...

What does everyone think of legalised prostitution?

I support it. Prostitution is generally consensual and does not infringe on the rights of others, providing it is conducted in private between consenting adults. The sale of sex itself was actually already legal before the Prostitution Reform Bill was passed, this new legislation allows for the regulated running of brothels and managing of sex workers.

The Maxim Institute and the like would probably argue that legalized prostitution will lead to more women entering the profession, the destruction of the family and a rise in the number of sexually transmitted diseases. However, from what I understand, the number of prostitutes has remained relatively stable, as has business. Destruction of the family, how laughable. That is their response to anything that represents tolerance and change...
STDs are not reason enough to ban the sale of sex either, diseases are passed on through all forms of sexual conduct - not just prostitution.

I think it means he felt the dole was easy for him personally.
I dont doubt that is exactly what was meant by the comment, which is why I formulated a statement that demonstrates the contingent nature of the claims
'living on the dole is easy'
and
'living on the dole is hard'
both and neither are true as per the particular contingency to which they are applied, and so both say nothing. More useful would be a statement that quantified in some manner or other the occurance rate of one contingency over the other.


Anyway....

What does everyone think of legalised prostitution?
I prefer it to the previous status quo, although I see no reason to reproduce JVR's comments, which are fairly representitive of my own sentiments on the issue.

My wife and myself applied for immigration into NZ about 25 years ago. Understandably we needed to have a job there before being allowed to permanently enter the country. The jobs we were offered: cutting trees and shearing sheep. We were informed there was no need whatsoever for doctors and teachers. Bringing a substantial amount of money -which we didn't have at the time- and investing it in NZ companies would be welcomed as an alternative, though.
It's true we had little need for skilled workers at the time you point to. In fact we imported many workers from the Pacific region simply to keep up with the demand for unskilled labour (and caused ourselves, and large numbers of Pacific Island nationals, many headaches after the fact as a result). I dont see that expecting to not make an unneeded job up, just so you can immigrate is any more unreasonable than expecting you to have a job.

Although ironically both teachers and doctors are in short supply now. You can at least take comfort in having the last laugh... ;)

Bloody Commies Waitangi Day dosent carry over
Labour :mp5: :gundge: :sniper: :mp5:
Bloody shits also tried to get The Elderly to work in Plant places

You will be aware that there are significantly less Maori in New Zealand than non-Maori, and the official Maori unemployment rate is three times that of non-Maori.

this might be true but it is misleading to look at unemployment rates in isolation and use them in that manner to point out general social trends. It is also true that proportionally Maori are numerically overrepresented in economically depressed areas such as the east coast and the far north where unemployment is high across all ethnic groups.

this might be true but it is misleading to look at unemployment rates in isolation and use them in that manner to point out general social trends. It is also true that proportionally Maori are numerically overrepresented in economically depressed areas such as the east coast and the far north where unemployment is high across all ethnic groups.

I just came from the 'kick men outta' bed thread'. I have to say that I'm starting to believe you lack all common sense.....



.....a good thing too, good sense is infinitely superior to garden variety common sense! ;)

Bloody Commies Waitangi Day dosent carry over
Labour :mp5: :gundge: :sniper: :mp5:
Bloody shits also tried to get The Elderly to work in Plant places

"Don Brash is a racist pig!"

"Fuck off Don Brash back to where you came from, bald-head!"

"Shame! Shame on you, fucking racist!"

"Maori basher!"

"Don Brash, you had a chance to good for Maori, but you fucked it up."

"Get off the fucking property! No pakeha cameras!"

I hope we have just as good slogans and insults shouted out at Waitangi this year.

Is it just scaremongering in the Herald when they say twelve year olds sell themselves now? (Obviously I don't have any "firsthand knowledge")

Initially I was a bit worried about the possible expansion of the sex industry when the bill was first passed, but it seems to have provided councils a way to control them, and the only brothel near my residence was shut down. :)

Is it just scaremongering in the Herald when they say twelve year olds sell themselves now? (Obviously I don't have any "firsthand knowledge")

Initially I was a bit worried about the possible expansion of the sex industry when the bill was first passed, but it seems to have provided councils a way to control them, and the only brothel near my residence was shut down. :)
If by now, you mean 'at this time', I really cant answer that definately, but I would be surprised if it were not the case. If you mean 'at this time, but not previously', then it is just propaganda. Most certainly when prostitution was illegal 12 years old were prostituting themselves.

In either case the age of consent in New Zealand is 16, it was illegal to contract the sexual services of an under 16 year old before the law reform, and it remains illegal to contract the sexual services of an under 16 year old.

Is it just scaremongering in the Herald when they say twelve year olds sell themselves now? (Obviously I don't have any "firsthand knowledge")

Initially I was a bit worried about the possible expansion of the sex industry when the bill was first passed, but it seems to have provided councils a way to control them, and the only brothel near my residence was shut down. :)
Thats not true they could have been controlled before and thats still not necasarily true as the law was broken before so why cant there be a Ho next door right now?

On another note
http://www.newswithviews.com/Roberts/carey46.htm

If by now, you mean 'at this time', I really cant answer that definately, but I would be surprised if it were not the case. If you mean 'at this time, but not previously', then it is just propaganda. Most certainly when prostitution was illegal 12 years old were prostituting themselves.

In either case the age of consent in New Zealand is 16, it was illegal to contract the sexual services of an under 16 year old before the law reform, and it remains illegal to contract the sexual services of an under 16 year old.
All true but dosent mean it dosent happen

All true but dosent mean it dosent happen
I'm sorry, you lost me....

My comments state that prior to the law change it was illegal and happened, that post prostitution law reform it is still illegal and I would be surprised if it doesnt still happen...

What exactly are you suggesting is likely to be happening, that I have not already stated was happening? :confused:

Is it just scaremongering in the Herald when they say twelve year olds sell themselves now? (Obviously I don't have any "firsthand knowledge")

I know that in Christchurch there has been several cases in which children have been selling themselves on the streets (some younger than 12) - the police have called it a major problem. This was mentioned in the media a fair bit when the Prostitution Reform Bill was being debated by Parliament, though the problem has existed for quite some time and really has no connection with the new legislation...

...and as Peopleandstuff says, child prostitution was illegal then and it is illegal now. So nothing has changed in that aspect. Some would argue that children would now see prostitution as being acceptable, but I don’t really see that as a valid argument in terms of this new legislation.

-[SARCASM] Of course people are rightfully upset that these sinful whores can now go about their business without being hassled by the police, but you know what, let’s be more concerned about all the evil gays ruining our country and the Fijian neigbours. Enough is Enough! [END SARCASM]-

I'm sorry, you lost me....

My comments state that prior to the law change it was illegal and happened, that post prostitution law reform it is still illegal and I would be surprised if it doesnt still happen...

What exactly are you suggesting is likely to be happening, that I have not already stated was happening? :confused:
I dont know i guess i agree with you must have miss read Sorry :(

I dont know i guess i agree with you must have miss read
It happens
Sorry :(
No worries, at least I'm not confused anymore... ;)

Happy Waitangi Day. (I think.)

Happy Waitangi Day. (I think.)
It's not a proper Waitangi Day till someone's slung mud or made a MP cry... :rolleyes:

Not that I approve of such conduct, but hey, not much happens 'round these parts....you make your fun in the South Pacific! ;)

It's not a proper Waitangi Day till someone's slung mud or made a MP cry... :rolleyes:

Not that I approve of such conduct, but hey, not much happens 'round these parts....you make your fun in the South Pacific! ;)


Lol. Indeed! Did you see that guy throw himself on Brash’s car last night? That was great.

Lol. Indeed! Did you see that guy throw himself on Brash’s car last night? That was great.

:eek: No, I missed it! Now I really will have to make my own fun....mmm, I wonder if I can make my own 'reconstruction' using the young'uns Action man and his army jeep... :rolleyes:

Surprise!...a peaceful Waitangi day.

Yeah, that was weird. Only 1 arrest (the guy who through himself on Donny's car), all the other protests were sooo peaceful. Though it was funny seeing Tame Iti on one side of Brash and Brian Tamaki on the other...

Speaking of which, what did you think about Destiny Church being there? It seems they're trying to win the Maori vote too.

Destiny Church are weird and messed up and Brian Tamaki is a money grubbing scoundrel. "I'm not materialistic" but my six cars and mansion in Epsom say otherwise.

Surprise!...a peaceful Waitangi day.

That is a surprise. Maybe I should go and blow something up so we don't break the trend.

It couldn't just be anything though, I'd have to target something race related or else it wouldn't be a propper Waitangi day explosion.

That is a surprise. Maybe I should go and blow something up so we don't break the trend.

It couldn't just be anything though, I'd have to target something race related or else it wouldn't be a propper Waitangi day explosion.

You've got less than an hour, better hurry. Perhaps the Treaty House itself? Or of course you could just blow up the flag pole (can't cut it down anymore, they've replaced the wood with metal :D).

:eek: No, I missed it! Now I really will have to make my own fun....mmm, I wonder if I can make my own 'reconstruction' using the young'uns Action man and his army jeep... :rolleyes:
Back at school we made a Video involving GI Joes and Jeeps boy was it great. ;)

Well someone firebombed that National MPs caravan and someone else threw an axe at Helen Clarke's electoral office, so we didn't get off entirely scott free this year.... oh and I was forgetting that obese fellow who allegedly shot the flag (I find it slightly amusing he still 'allegedly' shot the flag, when he was caught on camera).

I've got big plans for next year. I'm going to lead a Communist rebellion, and we'll storm the Beehive, then I'll transform into Captain Trousers and I'll defeat the army's 16 LAVs that actually have crews by ruthlessly kicking them until they fall apart. Then I'll laugh as the airforce plans an airstrike and suddenly realises they don't have any planes. Then everyone will come forth and bow to my amazing power, and I'll say 'actually this was all a protest to make clear my grievances over treaty issues, I'll just have the seabeds and foreshore, thanks.'

Then I shall retire and plan for next Waitangi Day.

Well someone firebombed that National MPs caravan and someone else threw an axe at Helen Clarke's electoral office, so we didn't get off entirely scott free this year.... oh and I was forgetting that obese fellow who allegedly shot the flag (I find it slightly amusing he still 'allegedly' shot the flag, when he was caught on camera).

I've got big plans for next year. I'm going to lead a Communist rebellion, and we'll storm the Beehive, then I'll transform into Captain Trousers and I'll defeat the army's 16 LAVs that actually have crews by ruthlessly kicking them until they fall apart. Then I'll laugh as the airforce plans an airstrike and suddenly realises they don't have any planes. Then everyone will come forth and bow to my amazing power, and I'll say 'actually this was all a protest to make clear my grievances over treaty issues, I'll just have the seabeds and foreshore, thanks.'

Then I shall retire and plan for next Waitangi Day.

lol. I read about this one Maori activist who was at one time planning a military coup in the ‘80s. He went to a bank and asked for a lone to buy several jeeps and fit them with machine guns, reckoned that’d be all he'd need to keep the army at bay. Guess he got turned down :(

The New Zealand Armed Intervention Force has also declared war on the government. Still waiting for them to attack though...

All you need to keep the NZ army at bay is a good pair of boots.

not much of an air force either

lol. I'm from Northland.

atleast you aint a JAFFA:p

atleast you aint a JAFFA:p

Too true.

Too true.

Jaffa is an orange chocolate confetionary and totally irrelevent,

JAFA which stands fot Just Another Fabulous Aucklander is more relevent, and I am sorry JRV but you just ain't Fabulous enough.

*ahem* auckland is not full of great people

Damned hick sheep shaggin' southerners ;)

Actually I can't talk I'm from the Capital, even if I am living in Jafa country at the moment :P

Damned hick sheep shaggin' southerners ;)

Actually I can't talk I'm from the Capital, even if I am living in Jafa country at the moment :P

Pfft, you wellingtonians dont even know what south is.
Try living in chch in the winter, thatyl teach ya where to put your socks :D

All you need to keep the NZ army at bay is a good pair of boots.
Yeah just wait for another World War thats where we shine. ;)

You NZ guys govern Pitcairnes Island, right? What was the deal with that sex scandal case there? 50 people live there.

I thought they kept warm in Christchurch by taking a sheep to bed with them?

And no we don't administer Pitcairn, the UK does.

Go the Greens!

>_>

What?

lol. I'm from Northland.
Where in Northland? Not from Dargaville I hope!
Or Moerewa for that matter.

Where in Northland? Not from Dargaville I hope!
Or Moerewa for that matter.

Whangarei!

You NZ guys govern Pitcairnes Island, right? What was the deal with that sex scandal case there? 50 people live there.

No we don’t. But the British got lazy and left us in charge of the trial. As a matter of fact, the island's governor is based here (but serves Britain). Anyhow, we found six men guilty - including the island's mayor, Steve Christian (descended of Fletcher Christian).

http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=1151&id=1237872004

There's still some question as to whether or not they'll even serve time, however. Defence lawyers are appealing over Britain’s jurisdiction.

Winston Peters seriously irks me, and the ACT Party is proving to be a bunch of losers. How does Hide even expect to remain in Parliament? At this rate both National and ACT aren't looking too promising.

On a more serious note, I can’t believe they voted Jade off Miss Popularity… :(

Ahh, New Zealand. A little place we like to call Australia because we like it so much!:D

Well, as expected. Another batting collapse.

And the Chiefs somehow bet the Blues. Again.

Well, as expected. Another batting collapse.

Hmmmm... that NZ guy who's been arrested on the Ivory coast, wonder if he really was hired to carry out assassinations.

More Christian hypocrisy, this time from the former leader of the CHP:

http://tvnz.co.nz/view/news_national_story_skin/482708%3fformat=html

New Zealand has politics?

New Zealand has politics?

No, not really. We just run round with clubs and whack each other. Parliament's just a place of rest...

:D
My dads from New Zealand so whenever people diss it i get annoyed at them, but i'm quite happy to do it myself.

More Christian hypocrisy, this time from the former leader of the CHP:

http://tvnz.co.nz/view/news_national_story_skin/482708%3fformat=html

How about that punch though! He should've fought last night instead of Tua...and Capill just lay there crying like the nancy kiddy fiddler he is.

*sigh*

Anyone here get burnt by NCEA last year?

Originally Posted by Monkeypimp
I. One thing I'd like to see would be compulsary NZ history at school.

You've got to be kidding me. Every single year of secondary school (college) I have looked at one Maori thing or another. I'm sick of it! I don't care what has gone on in this country any more, I want to know about world events, ones people care about.

Originally Posted by Monkeypimp
I. One thing I'd like to see would be compulsary NZ history at school.

You've got to be kidding me. Every single year of secondary school (college) I have looked at one Maori thing or another. I'm sick of it! I don't care what has gone on in this country any more, I want to know about world events, ones people care about.

There already is. From primary school to high school, Social Sciences discuss the british colonisation, New Zealand Wars, Treaty of Waitangi. Generally fit was fairly interesting, except for a ridiculous accounting subject named "Maoris and the Environment" (Yes, in accounting)

Our country's a liberal sh*tpool, that's why the most extreme Kiwi on these forums (me) find the country called NZ a complete political joke.

However, don't confuse patriotism for politics, as my loyalty to serve this country is still unquestionable. If NZ gets invaded, I'm willing to put my life on the line.

As for all those cocksucking liberals out there who wants to change our beloved flag, why don't you burn your cock and balls before set fire that our sacred piece of fabric?

I'm also sick of the damn Labour government! The pursuit of equality is the destruction of excellence. Society should eliminate the weak and useless, so that the strong can take their place of superiority and survival!


God defend New Zealand!

*sigh*

Anyone here get burnt by NCEA last year?

Not me personally, but I know plenty who were. It damn sucks. I say go back to School C...

Our country's a liberal sh*tpool, that's why the most extreme Kiwi on these forums (me) find the country called NZ a complete political joke.

However, don't confuse patriotism for politics, as my loyalty to serve this country is still unquestionable. If NZ gets invaded, I'm willing to put my life on the line.

As for all those cocksucking liberals out there who wants to change out beloved flag, why don't you burn your cock and balls before set fire that our sacred piece of fabric?

I'm also sick of the damn Labour government! The pursuit of equality is the destruction of excellence. Society should eliminate the weak and useless, so that the strong can take their place of superiority and survival!


God defend New Zealand!

We still have right-wing nut-jobs here? Gee, I thought you went out with one-cent coins and the Good Night Kiwi.

Not me personally, but I know plenty who were. It damn sucks. I say go back to School C...

NCEA nearly costed my university entrance. If a lot of students didn't make it to uni because of NCEA, why don't the disgruntled make a hikoi like the Maoris to Wellington, then burn down Mallard's office.

We still have right-wing nut-jobs here? Gee, I thought you went out with one-cent coins and the Good Night Kiwi.

There are always right-winged Chinese imports like me.

Ahh, New Zealand. A little place we like to call Australia because we like it so much!:D

Australia is East Is. to us.

There are always right-winged Chinese imports like me.

So you can't be a supporter of Winston Peters eh?

So you can't be a supporter of Winston Peters eh?

We need more immigrants here so that we have more skilled people. But due to discrimination, people like my father can't find jobs of their skill level. I am for immigration as it will boost our employment gaps and not to mention, more individuals to tax.

I'm going to vote National. I don't bother wasting votes on single-issue parties like Destiny, Chrisitian Heritage, Legalize Marijuana, Greens or First. Only due to MMP can they have a place that weighs down the effectiveness and productivity of large parties. Because of MMP, we are forever at the mercy of close-minded activists.

We need more immigrants here so that we have more skilled people. But due to discrimination, people like my father can't find jobs of their skill level. I am for immigration as it will boost our employment gaps and not to mention, more individuals to tax.

What party do you support, if any?

What party do you support, if any?

I am a National supporter, just like my folks. It's the most 'conservative' party in the country. I don't like ACT, preaching about fighting crime on one hand, but excessive personal freedoms on another. The libertarian right is candy-coated evil.

What about you?

Is this a political discussion thread, or has it shifted to a thread about my views?

well according to my passport im a new zealander, though i dont live there anymore.

i for one will be voting for Winston Peters (NZ First) why? because he cracks me up. I have no doubt Comrade Helen will win the election, sad though the prospect may be, with the recent Police problems, the NCEA debacle and everything else thats been going on im dismayed to find the opposition parties dont seem to have made much if any ground on polls. I've come to the conclusion the reason for this is that the rest of the country has this preset ingrained belief that National is a JAFA party, though thats far from true. its all part of the rest of the countries irrational hatred for Auckland, which is what i also blame for why no one watches Holmes's new show.

i'm an Aucklander from a few years back, and i'd jsut like to say what those Aucklanders still living in the city are afraid to: we act like we're better than the rest of the country, because we are.

i'm an Aucklander from a few years back, and i'd jsut like to say what those Aucklanders still living in the city are afraid to: we act like we're better than the rest of the country, because we are.

For someone who was born in an actual international city, Auckland's just an extension of the countryside. NZ's just one big paddock in the South Pacific.

I am a National supporter, just like my folks. It's the most 'conservative' party in the country. I don't like ACT, preaching about fighting crime on one hand, but excessive personal freedoms on another. The libertarian right is candy-coated evil.

What about you?

I support National also, but mostly because of the libertarian right elements in the party, and because I think the minor parties are pretty meaningless at the end of the day.

I believe in having the maximum amount of economic and personal freedoms possible.

I agree with maximized capitalism, but not personal freedoms. All too often in the West, excessive civil liberties are used as a cover to promote immoralities. When sexual immoralities set in, what happens to our national image? In the West, if you want to marry a virgin, you'll have to marry a 13-year-old. What goes on in the bedroom is a business of the state, as much as the state's business is business.

Don't mistaken me for a fundy, though. I'm all for science. In fact, we should drop the excessive mentioning of the Treaty in education and start focussing on science and maths, like in the Far East. Learn from the competition. There's also a lack of the competitive drive in areas outside the sportsfield. We're too laid back as a people.

For someone who was born in an actual international city, Auckland's just an extension of the countryside. NZ's just one big paddock in the South Pacific.


meh. I live in Oslo now so it doesant bother me too much. but no matter what you say, Auckland still has over 10x as many Niueans as Niue does.

heres something to think about: if white people (i dislike the term Pakeha) broke the treaty, doesnt that mean its void? and that all its guarantees are now worthless?

meh. I live in Oslo now so it doesant bother me too much. but no matter what you say, Auckland still has over 10x as many Niueans as Niue does.

If NZ becomes strong, we'll annex all those Pacific islands within a century. They've already relied on us too much. So you live in Scandinavia? The socialist hellhole.

NCEA nearly costed my university entrance. If a lot of students didn't make it to uni because of NCEA, why don't the disgruntled make a hikoi like the Maoris to Wellington, then burn down Mallard's office.

I wonder if it was the fault of the NCEA system in your particular case...



Speaking of one cent coins, I'm dismayed that the five cent piece is being eliminated in July 2006. I mean, it makes me sad when I think of all those kids that only got one lolly for five cents, for whom a 50c mix contained only ten lollies when I remember the wonderful sweet sweet life of one and two cent lollies. Now kids will be paying ten cents for one lolly! That is wrong.

heres something to think about: if white people (i dislike the term Pakeha) broke the treaty, doesnt that mean its void? and that all its guarantees are now worthless?

The Treaty never was any magical founding document. Instead of targetting Treaty issues, we should target issues of racial separatism and illegal claims to public land.

I agree with maximized capitalism, but not personal freedoms. All too often in the West, excessive civil liberties are used as a cover to promote immoralities. When sexual immoralities set in, what happens to our national image? In the West, if you want to marry a virgin, you'll have to marry a 13-year-old. What goes on in the bedroom is a business of the state, as much as the state's business is business.

Don't mistaken me for a fundy, though. I'm all for science. In fact, we should drop the excessive mentioning of the Treaty in education and start focussing on science and maths, like in the Far East. Learn from the competition. There's also a lack of the competitive drive in areas outside the sportsfield. We're too laid back as a people.

Non-sense. What occurs in private between consenting adults is of no business to you, I, or the government. It sounds like you advocate a 1984-ish ‘Big Brother’ government.

The government, in my opinion, exists to protect our rights - not strip them of us.

I wonder if it was the fault of the NCEA system in your particular case...

It was not my fault as I studied so hard for it that I could not have failed.

The government, in my opinion, exists to protect our rights - not strip them of us.

When rights deviate the individual from his true purpose of struggling for a better future for the state, the rights should be sacrificed for the glory of the state. Whatever happened to morals?

I'm no fan of Orwell's commie crap either. If I'm communist, would I still live here?

So you live in Scandinavia? The socialist hellhole.

yes. i dont agree with the socialist trappings of my nation, on the other hand it allows me to go to university for free (through sneaky relatives and my norwegian passport i dont count as a foreign student). more importantly i'm partly Norwegian and have always wanted to live here. i'll probably end up moving again in a few years (provided my wife lets me)

heres something to think about: if white people (i dislike the term Pakeha) broke the treaty, doesnt that mean its void? and that all its guarantees are now worthless?

The thing with the Treaty is that it isn't enforceable in and of itself since it is an international document. However, what is enforced is the reference to the principles of the Treaty in several other Acts. That's where the Treaty comes into play.

Also, breaching a contract/agreement does not automatically void it, it merely makes it voidable AND also means that remedies are available for the other party.

Speaking of one cent coins, I'm dismayed that the five cent piece is being eliminated in July 2006. I mean, it makes me sad when I think of all those kids that only got one lolly for five cents, for whom a 50c mix contained only ten lollies when I remember the wonderful sweet sweet life of one and two cent lollies. Now kids will be paying ten cents for one lolly! That is wrong.

The kids should save that damn money for their future education.

It could also be 10c for two lollies, if the dairy owner knows how to attract customers. Think capitalism!

Why complain? You can save up those old $1 or $2 bills for wiping your arse.

Does our dear country have a constitution?

More Christian hypocrisy, this time from the former leader of the CHP:

http://tvnz.co.nz/view/news_national_story_skin/482708%3fformat=html

Never trust in false prophets.

are you guys monarchists/republicans/indifferent?

im a monarchist myself

and on NCEA: is it really as bad as people say? i was in the last year of Bursary so i dont have any experience of it.

are you guys monarchists/republicans/indifferent?

im a monarchist myself

and on NCEA: is it really as bad as people say? i was in the last year of Bursary so i dont have any experience of it.

I'm not so defined on the monarchist/republican lines, but I'm certain that within the next two centuries, Britain and Commonwealth will be republics, due to the lack of faith in modern times of the monarchy.

When I was a citizen, then a Cadet, I've sworn allegiance to the Queen, but I would also swear an oath of allegiance to the country that is my home. I'm not willing to defend Britain, but I'm willing to defend NZ.


God defend New Zealand!

Does our dear country have a constitution?

New Zealand does not have a Constitution in the form of a single written document. However, it does have several Acts which cover our rights, procedural protections, and provide limits on what the Executive can do. There are also several constitutional conventions that Parliament, the House of Representatives, Cabinet etc follow.

So in a way, yes.


To Marian Rome, I'm a monarchist.

and on NCEA: is it really as bad as people say? i was in
the last year of Bursary so i dont have any experience of it.

Since you're out off high school, what are you doing at the moment?

To Marian Rome, I'm a monarchist.

I don't admit to be a monarchist (especially with the crap about that adultrous Charles), but I am a definite patriot. I am not proud of the governments but I'm proud of the land and the history. This country has done great things for me, some day I have to serve it in return.

I don't admit to be a monarchist (especially with the crap about that adultrous Charles), but I am a definite patriot.

After his 'gaffe' that was on the news today, where he muttered stuff under his breath that got caught by the mics, I think he's fantastic.

are you guys monarchists/republicans/indifferent?

Monarchist. Though sympathetic to the Republican movement, and think that it is inevitable.

Just being off topic, I sometimes imagine myself as a White man. (I already sound like one.) If I'm White, this is my ideal image:

http://images.ea.com/eagames/official/moh_alliedassault/personnel/theenemy/gestapoofficer.jpg

(That's the Gestapo Officer from Medal of Hono: Allied Assault.)

After his 'gaffe' that was on the news today, where he muttered stuff under his breath that got caught by the mics, I think he's fantastic.

That's just the monarchy trying at being 'hip', mate. "Bloody" is one proud English word this Asian likes to use, along with "FUBAR" (that's too American to be said by local Kiwis).

Monarchist. Though sympathetic to the Republican movement, and think that it is inevitable.

The UK monarchy, unlike the Japanese one, have failed to keep that mystique. It is also too scandalous to be an object of spiritual devotion, unlike in WWI.

That's just the monarchy trying at being 'hip', mate. "Bloody" is one proud English word this Asian likes to use, along with "FUBAR" (that's too American to be said by local Kiwis).

"Whatchoo talkin' 'bout, Willis?!"
Around the time of Saving Private Ryan plenty of locals were saying FUBAR ...it's just been a while since then and it's fallen out of general usage...but I still hear it every now and then.

Since you're out off high school, what are you doing at the moment?


University of Oslo, Norway.

University of Oslo, Norway.

Cool. Is tertiary education subsidized over there? I want to go to Europe… still in High School though.

Just being off topic, I sometimes imagine myself as a White man. (I already sound like one.) If I'm White, this is my ideal image:

heres my ideal image if i were asian:

http://www.chm.bris.ac.uk/webprojects2000/cbradshaw/miyagi.jpg

Cool. Is tertiary education subsidized over there? I want to go to Europe… still in High School though.

it is if you've had a norwegian passport all your life and have copious relatives in Norway willing to help you get in as a local rather than foreign student.

HOWEVER you may have picked up on the fact that the Prime Minister of Norway recently visited New Zealand, and signed an aggreement allowing for people from NZ to come and study and work in Norway, and vice versa, i'm not sure what the specifics of it are and when it comes into affect though.

if you want to visit europe DO IT, you wont regret it, if you want to study here, and you only speak english: DONT DO IT (unless you want to study in the UK) most europeans, particularly young people speak english, but that doesnt mean they dont get pissed off at people who dont speak their language.

"Whatchoo talkin' 'bout, Willis?!"
Around the time of Saving Private Ryan plenty of locals were saying FUBAR ...it's just been a while since then and it's fallen out of general usage...but I still hear it every now and then.

That was my favorite movie!

Anyway there's a whole bunch of them that I use (sometimes):

FUBAR: F*cked up beyond all recognition. (US)
SNAFU: Situation normal, all f*cked up. (RAF)
DILLIGA(F)F: Does it look like I give a (flying) f*ck? (Australian)
GAFU: God Almighty f*ckup. (NZ)
TI(R/S)F(U): This is (really/seriously) f*cked (up)!
TARFU(N): Things are really f*cked up (now)!
FOAFF: F*cked on all fronts! (My own creation)
WANFY: We are not f*cked yet! (My own creation)
F.H.Y.: F*ckin' hell yeah! (my own creation)
YA(R/T)FITH: You are really/too f*cked in the head! (my own creation)
FYM: F*ck your mom! (my own creation)
KATFA: Kick all their f*ckin' asses! (my own creation)
P.O.: Pissed off. (U.S. Army)

I get tired of saying the 'F' word. So I have to use creativity.

heres my ideal image if i were asian:

http://www.chm.bris.ac.uk/webprojects2000/cbradshaw/miyagi.jpg

Who's that Japanese guy?

its Mr Miyagi from the Karate Kid Movies.

Cool. Is tertiary education subsidized over there? I want to go to Europe… still in High School though.

I thought you were much older than me since you mentioned the withdrawn coins and and Good Night Kiwi (I don't think I was in the country when it was around).

it is if you've had a norwegian passport all your life and have copious relatives in Norway willing to help you get in as a local rather than foreign student.

HOWEVER you may have picked up on the fact that the Prime Minister of Norway recently visited New Zealand, and signed an aggreement allowing for people from NZ to come and study and work in Norway, and vice versa, i'm not sure what the specifics of it are and when it comes into affect though.

if you want to visit europe DO IT, you wont regret it, if you want to study here, and you only speak english: DONT DO IT (unless you want to study in the UK) most europeans, particularly young people speak english, but that doesnt mean they dont get pissed off at people who dont speak their language.

Cool. I am sorta trying to learn Latin, though haven't made too much progress there, and then I wanted to learn French or something...

I thought you were much older than me since you mentioned the withdrawn coins and and Good Night Kiwi (I don't think I was in the country when it was around).

Naw. Only 16. But I remember the Good Night Kiwi, and plenty of 1 cent coins lying round my grandmother's place...

its Mr Miyagi from the Karate Kid Movies.

*Slants my eyes and puts on a fake Japanese accent*

"Ha ha! Dat iss a vary gude choiss for an Asian looke. Ha ha ha!"

Cool. I am sorta trying to learn Latin, though haven't made too much progress there, and then I wanted to learn French or something...

so youll be right at home in the Vatican then? (just clarifying that you know that Latin isnt spoken anywhere in europe except catholic churches and the Vatican)

i would suggest learning French, people in France get really pissed off at people who speak no french, but if you speak poor vocabularly broken french, they all love you and go out of their way to help you.

Cool. I am sorta trying to learn Latin, though haven't made too much progress there, and then I wanted to learn French or something...

Pity I let the chance of learning another European language pass me by when I was in high school. I wish I had learnt German, as Germany is my favorite European country (followed by Britain). Well, I still speak two dialects of Chinese fluently.

so youll be right at home in the Vatican then? (just clarifying that you know that Latin isnt spoken anywhere in europe except catholic churches and the Vatican)

i would suggest learning French, people in France get really pissed off at people who speak no french, but if you speak poor vocabularly broken french, they all love you and go out of their way to help you.

Yeah. My reason for taking Latin was because I heard that it is a good starting ground for many of the European languages. I wouldn't mind learning German as well...

Naw. Only 16. But I remember the Good Night Kiwi, and plenty of 1 cent coins lying round my grandmother's place...

I'm nearly 18, but I've lived for almost a decade in this country.

german........ interesting, dont speak a word of it myself, im fluent in norwegian, english, and greek, and speak a fair deal of french and dutch. i've never been to Germany either, though i hear that english is very prevalent. word of advice: dont speak german in france.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/JRV/GoodnightKiwi-grab2.png

If it wasn't for seeing my mate _Taiwan posting in this thread, I wouldn't get to know that there are others from NZ on NS.

german........ interesting, dont speak a word of it myself, im fluent in norwegian, english, and greek, and speak a fair deal of french and dutch. i've never been to Germany either, though i hear that english is very prevalent. word of advice: dont speak german in france.

lol.

Is Dutch hard to learn? I know people who speak it...

word of advice: dont speak german in france.

Very true!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/JRV/GoodnightKiwi-grab2.png

Isn't it ironic that the symbol for our air force (or should I say, air militia) is a flightless bird?

Isn't it ironice that the symbol for our air force (or should I say, air militia) is a flightless bird?

Quite right! lol. Mind you, our whole airforce is ironic...

Quite right! lol. Mind you, our whole airforce is ironic...

Any further excessive military spending and we'll be the North Korea of the South Pacific. Right now we need more efficient policing.

(Last post for the night. Busy weekend ahead.)

(Just before I go.)

I'm a bit of comedian:

Q: What's long, black and smells like sh*t?
A: The welfare line.

(Apologies to those offended.)

As for all those cocksucking liberals out there who wants to change our beloved flag, why don't you burn your cock and balls before set fire that our sacred piece of fabric?


Now, didn't you sign a petition asking for a referendum on it a while ago?

Auckland is Evil!

What the Government is actually doing is Coin Clipping!!!
They also say it wont cause inflation BS!
ever heard of buying a Lolly for 5c???
Postage Stamps are 45c???

They say it wont cost NZ anything because the scrap metal will pay for the minting!
Well it will cost coin operated machine services 9 million+ to reconfigure their machines!!!

Who is in power at the moment? I find it cool that you guys have had a woman prime minister... I hope Australia follows suit one day soon providing she's a decent politician with decent policies.

Also: with an Australian Passport would I be able to join the NZ millitary and go to uni there?

I concur absolutely. I stare out across the Tasman and I couldn't imagine a country more different, and so much more awesome. You people actually fund your arts industries, let gays marry if they want, believe in funding universities and don't go to war with countries they've never heard of to ease unemployment.

I've thought of migrating there, if only to study. Helen Clarke should go into power-sharing with the greens I say, form a grand coalition to stomp out conservatism completely.

I concur absolutely. I stare out across the Tasman and I couldn't imagine a country more different, and so much more awesome. You people actually fund your arts industries, let gays marry if they want, believe in funding universities and don't go to war with countries they've never heard of to ease unemployment.

I've thought of migrating there, if only to study. Helen Clarke should go into power-sharing with the greens I say, form a grand coalition to stomp out conservatism completely.
Never we should bring in more Yorkshire Coal Miners!
Art is goof if they actually made art!
Australiaian's thought Laurance Fishburn was a Maori!-and aimed Derog- comments at him for it!

Actually Brash Worries me, I think if he gets into parliment in any position of power he's going to try and push forward a lets get nuclear policy, and americanize the country.
There's two reasons this is bad ,1) We dont have the room for the toxic waste, 2) We have our own identity.

Anyway my votes for the greens, they wont of course have any real power, but they'll at least have enough to curb the more extreme anti-enviroment policies.

Now, didn't you sign a petition asking for a referendum on it a while ago?

I'm sure people would vote against the change.

I've thought of migrating there, if only to study. Helen Clarke should go into power-sharing with the greens I say, form a grand coalition to stomp out conservatism completely.

Helen Clark is a lesbian who thinks she's man. As for conservatism, can you name any nation in that world that is governed by the liberals and can still kick ass? Today's America, China and Russia are capitalistic conservative.

Because of the continual liberalization in the West, Western society is going to crumble within the next two centuries.

http://0cents.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/Mousepad_Liberalism_A_Mental_Disorder.jpg

Actually Brash Worries me, I think if he gets into parliment in any position of power he's going to try and push forward a lets get nuclear policy, and americanize the country.
There's two reasons this is bad ,1) We dont have the room for the toxic waste, 2) We have our own identity.

Anyway my votes for the greens, they wont of course have any real power, but they'll at least have enough to curb the more extreme anti-enviroment policies.

In our beloved country, we've neglected the economy and education for the environment and the protection of a dying culture.

Brash will not Americanize the country, but simple renovate it for the better. His policies are rational and practical. Brash is the most rational party leader we have in this now god-forsaken country. Hail Brash!

Nuclearization of the planet is inevitable due to the increasing population, where's the Kiwi pioneering spirit that great men like Rutherford and Hilary had?

If we don't want to fund the military too much then why not allow Uncle Sam to take care of our defenses? Allowing the USN's nuclear vessels into our waters is actually beneficial. Come on! It's not like the reactors and warheads are Made in China!

Auckland is Evil!

What the Government is actually doing is Coin Clipping!!!
They also say it wont cause inflation BS!
ever heard of buying a Lolly for 5c???
Postage Stamps are 45c???


Inflation is a fact of life around the world, so get used to it. At least we're not suffering a hyper-inflation like in post-WWI Germany!

More than 1/3 of the population live in Auckland. Are you saying that 1/3 of your fellow Kiwis are evil?

Isn't it ironic that a Chinese person such as myself worries about Western society collapsing? Perhaps the Chinese and the West have similar traditional values that are being increasly eroded by the liberal virus.

Who is in power at the moment? I find it cool that you guys have had a woman prime minister... I hope Australia follows suit one day soon providing she's a decent politician with decent policies.

Henry Clark is not a woman. he is the worlds least convincing drag queen.

Also: with an Australian Passport would I be able to join the NZ millitary and go to uni there?

Aussies can attend Uni in NZ as if they were NZers, so they dont have to pay foreign student fees and can take out a student loan from the govt (which other foreign students cant do) but this has recently come under fire and for all i know may come to an end.

We dont have the room for the toxic waste,

sure we do: there is plenty of room in the South Island.

By being a conservative, I'm no friend of Bush.

sure we do: there is plenty of room in the South Island.

For a small price, we can always dump that crap in some unfortunate, piss-poor third world country. Let's do things the easy way, like Tui beer.

I don't see too many NZ NS'ers being liberal here. Perhaps that's a good thing, because the dole bludgers prefer daytime television over the sight of their benefits coming under public scrutiny. Ha!

The ever increasing liberalism of society is a prelude to anarchy. As for the Greens, they are communists that have undergone a color change and adopted unrealistic environmentalist ideals for the 21st century.

Does anyone here actually considers themselves conservative here besides me? What's the average Kiwi's level of patriotism besides going to an All Blacks game? I actually feel an uneplained sense of pride when I see our beloved flag blowing in the wind.

Isn't it ironic that the symbol for our air force (or should I say, air militia) is a flightless bird?
Prounounced Air Farce! :p

Inflation is a fact of life around the world, so get used to it. At least we're not suffering a hyper-inflation like in post-WWI Germany!

More than 1/3 of the population live in Auckland. Are you saying that 1/3 of your fellow Kiwis are evil?
Inflation occurs naturally you dont need to push it along!
Creating Inflation is Dumb we need the 5c Lolly!

Yes Auckland is evil!

Yes Auckland is evil!

What evidence do you have of that? Don't tell me that you're some intermediate school kid who has learnt to embrace idiocy. Are you so anti-capitalist that you dislike the nation's major economic hub? Why don't ya go milk your cow!

What evidence do you have of that? Don't tell me that you're some intermediate school kid who has learnt to embrace idiocy.
Geez Louise...
LIGHTEN UP!!!

Geez Louise...
LIGHTEN UP!!!

I doubt that he's capable of such a function.

I doubt that he's capable of such a function.

Well if he lets down his guard the Commies might pounce. ;)

I doubt that he's capable of such a function.

Well I'm just ever so pissed that I'm stuck in my assignment. No, I'm not doing a BA majoring in politics.

So where in country are you other Kiwis from?

Well if he lets down his guard the Commies might pounce. ;)

*Pounces on preebles* That's what you get for letting your guard down you ewil feminazi! :p :D

*Pounces on preebles* That's what you get for letting your guard down you ewil feminazi! :p :D
Wait a sec... I'm the evil commie feminazi, I'm supposed to do the pouncing!

Well if he lets down his guard the Commies might pounce. ;)

Yes, the commies might pounce!

http://www.sinodefence.com/army/individual/type91_grenade35_3.jpg

Vigilance is the price of nationhood.

Now that we've sold them A-4K Skyhawks, we should sing the national anthem more!

Wait a sec... I'm the evil commie feminazi, I'm supposed to do the pouncing!

Well that's what happens when you let your guard down! :p

What evidence do you have of that? Don't tell me that you're some intermediate school kid who has learnt to embrace idiocy. Are you so anti-capitalist that you dislike the nation's major economic hub? Why don't ya go milk your cow!
Afraid not Sunshine!
Im 21 and im sick of paying for your roads!

Well I'm just ever so pissed that I'm stuck in my assignment. No, I'm not doing a BA majoring in politics.

So where in country are you other Kiwis from?

If you're going to "insult" me, find a better word than Kiwi. Kiwis have a very mellow, fruity flavor.

Wait a sec... I'm the evil commie feminazi, I'm supposed to do the pouncing!

You dare try that on me and you'll eat Chinese lead. (Yes, that rifle pictured is better than the NZ Army Steyr AUGs.)

*Pounces on preebles* That's what you get for letting your guard down you ewil feminazi! :p :D
HAnds off my Feminazi!
*Evil Glare*

If you're going to "insult" me, find a better word than Kiwi. Kiwis have a very mellow, fruity flavor.

I may be Kiwi, but my sense of humor is racist, vulgar and offensive.

HAnds off my Feminazi!
*Evil Glare*

Feminazi? Nazist ideology is anti-feminist. Women should be mothers of soldiers since they can't fight. Hitler believed that the places for women are kirche, kueche, kinder (church, kitchen and children).

I may be Kiwi, but my sense of humor is racist, vulgar and offensive.

Oh, for a minute there I thought you were a benevolent, easy-going person.

Feminazi? Nazist ideology is anti-feminist. Women should be mothers of soldiers since they can't fight. Hitler believed that the places for women are kirche, kueche, kinder (church, kitchen and children).

See kids? This is what happens when you don't know what the meaning of sarcasm is.

Afraid not Sunshine!
Im 21 and im sick of paying for your roads!

The roads are public spaces, so everyone have a right to enjoy them. So you're 21, are you at uni or working?

Feminazi? Nazist ideology is anti-feminist. Women should be mothers of soldiers since they can't fight. Hitler believed that the places for women are kirche, kueche, kinder (church, kitchen and children).
Thats very good have a Cookie! :rolleyes:

Feminazi? Nazist ideology is anti-feminist. Women should be mothers of soldiers since they can't fight. Hitler believed that the places for women are kirche, kueche, kinder (church, kitchen and children).
See! I always said cappies don't have a sense of humour! :p

Oh, for a minute there I thought you were a benevolent, easy-going person.

That largely depends on the day. I'm two-faced.

See! I always said cappies don't have a sense of humour! :p

And it looks like you were right!

Thats very good have a Cookie! :rolleyes:

I don't eat the White man's junk food.

*Pours out a nice cup of Chinese green tea.*

That largely depends on the day. I'm two-faced.

You're definitely something...

The roads are public spaces, so everyone have a right to enjoy them. So you're 21, are you at uni or working?
Im working!
It dosent help when there are 3 floods and Wellington gets cut off because the roads are closed because of Slips!

See! I always said cappies don't have a sense of humour! :p

No humor? With a bit of training and a willing audience, I'll steal Raybon Kan's job!

E.g.

Q: Why did the Maori cross the road?
A: To claim the other side.

Q: What do you call a fat Asian?
A: A Chunk.

(I'm skinny as a runt.)

I don't eat the White man's junk food.

*Pours out a nice cup of Chinese green tea.*
Heard of the Fortune Cookie????

You're definitely something...

Yeah, I'm quite a character. Don't believe me, ask my mate _Taiwan. He knows me well.

Heard of the Fortune Cookie????

As a real Chinese person, I'm extremely puzzled about that as it doesn't exist in China!

No humor? With a bit of training and a willing audience, I'll steal Raybon Kan's job!

E.g.

Q: Why did the Maori cross the road?
A: To claim the other side.

Q: What do you call a fat Asian?
A: A Chunk.

(I'm skinny as a runt.)
You gonna get Laser Eye Surgery like him too?

Dammit. I'm stuck here for good and it's such a sunny day. Must complete mathematical modelling assignment!

As a real Chinese person, I'm extremely puzzled about that as it doesn't exist in China!
What the Commies Banned them!

You gonna get Laser Eye Surgery like him too?

No, son. I've got 20/20 shooter's vision. That runs in the family, along with a gene which slows down the ageing process considerably. You see me on the street, you'll think I'm some 15-year-old. My parents looks ten years younger than they actually are.

What the Commies Banned them!

No. They're so out off fashion that you'll have to ask some food historian to get any information on them.

Even today's China is too liberal for my liking, but still a heap more conservative than any Western country.

Q: Why did the gay man cross the road?
A: He had his dick stuck up the chicken's arse!

Q: What do you call Maori incest?
A: Whakapapa.

I feel special that I'm the only NZ conservative here who plays NS.

-snip-

*sigh*

Now you're just asking for a ban...

Fine, I'll be PC about it. Goddamn liberals can't even take a joke!

Who said anything about not being able to take a joke? This place has rules, you know...

I doing the moral politics test. This shall be fun...

Who said anything about not being able to take a joke? This place has rules, you know...
Yeah i enjoy NS and this Thread dont get it sent to Spam where else can i rant about Weak Government?

That test was confusing.

Here's the results:

Your Score

Your scored 4.5 on the Moral Order axis and -4 on the Moral Rules axis.

Matches

The following items best match your score:

System: Conservatism
Variation: Moral Conservatism, Extreme Conservatism
Ideologies: Capital Republicanism
US Parties: Republican Party
Presidents: George H. Bush (97.79%)
2004 Election Candidates: George W. Bush (95.06%), John Kerry (65.70%), Ralph Nader (48.60%)


But if I'm an American, I would not vote Bush. That test never asked about my views towards the military.

I'm still proud to be a proven conservative.

HAnds off my Feminazi!
*Evil Glare*

*Knows he's in trouble now* :p

*Knows he's in trouble now* :p
Yeah :rolleyes: (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v630/harlesburg/Jokey1.bmp) ill get my Smurfs on to you!

Yeah :rolleyes: (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v630/harlesburg/Jokey1.bmp) ill get my Smurfs on to you!

Ahh, the age old question about to be answered: What colour do smurfs turn when you choke them?

Hmm... Pink, maybe?

I think it was the Right Honourable Winston Peters who said "bloody asians".

I think it was the Right Honourable Winston Peters who said "bloody asians".


yes but he also said the Maori were in fact Chinese.

Ahh, the age old question about to be answered: What colour do smurfs turn when you choke them?

What does 'Smurfs' have to do with politics? I know what color results when a liberal gets shot.

http://www.sinodefence.com/army/individual/type95_rifle58_2.jpg

yes but he also said the Maori were in fact Chinese.

The peoples of the Pacific originated from today's coastal China and Taiwan Is., it's a fact that some of them refuse to accept. Due to their evolution and cultures, we cannot classify them as being of the Asian ethnicity.

Funny how Man's ancestors walked out of Africa then colonized the planet? We should all be 'black'. LOL!

thread about nz. rocking

You know, I didn't start playing NS back in March '03 to discuss crap in General forum. Most of the time on NS, I spend RP'ing an ultranationalist Chinese military dictatorship (which is unrealistic).

Here's an RP masterpiece: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=7382237#post7382237

Here's some good ol' political satire from Sino: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=355733

Now that I'm a little bored of RP'ing, I've found a good place on the General forum.

thread about nz. rocking

Are you questioning my loyalty to this country?

Wow, Helen almost fell out of a plane.

Wow, Helen almost fell out of a plane.

Lmao. Poor Helen. What would she have done if it weren't for the cops?

Meanwhile, Tamihere McClarie from Don Brash's dairy...

I believe the alcohol loosened his lips too much. Pity he's the only Labour MP whom I have a favourable impression of.

I believe the alcohol loosened his lips too much. Pity he's the only Labour MP whom I have a favourable impression of.

Yeah. I blame Ian Wishart. Do you watch Eating Media Lunch on TV 2?

Lol, what is it about this thread?

Every few months when someone has anything to say about NZ, it gets dug up again!

Poor bugger.

Wow, Helen almost fell out of a plane.

If God defends this country, she would have died!

Lol, what is it about this thread?

Every few months when someone has anything to say about NZ, it gets dug up again!

Poor bugger.

Don't dis the thread!

If God defends this country, she would have died!

If the cabin was pressurized nothing would have saved them. Two cops, the PM, and her secretary gone! Along with those top secret files on the ANZAC Day security arrangments.

Yeah. I blame Ian Wishart. Do you watch Eating Media Lunch on TV 2?

Eating Media Lunch is a f*ggot's program. If this is still the Cold War, I bet the entire production was sponsored by the commies. That show is so liberal that it makes every liberal in the damn country want to stand up and have a toke. All they do on it is scrutinize figures of authority through quoting out of context (much like Michael Moore) then sprinkle the audience with subliminal anarcho-communist propaganda.

I believe the alcohol loosened his lips too much. Pity he's the only Labour MP whom I have a favourable impression of.

Alcohol is White man's disease. You ever seen a drunken Asian politician?

Eating Media Lunch is a f*ggot's program. If this is still the Cold War, I bet the entire production was sponsored by the commies. That show is so liberal that it makes every liberal in the damn country want to stand up and have a toke. All they do on it is scrutinize figures of authority through quoting out of context (much like Michael Moore) then sprinkle the audience with subliminal anarcho-communist propaganda.

... yeah. Shure. But I found their 'dramatization' of National Radio's Tamihere McClarie amusing.

One January morning in Newstalk ZB...

Some liberal housewife (or unemployed woman) rang up the talkback program complaining about Bush's inauguration and about how much of a crap president he is. Here's a transcript before her call was dismissed:

Housewife: Bush is a Nazi... Yak, yak, yak! Blah, blah, blah! (Non-stop rant for almost two minutes.)

Host: Calm down, lady. We know he's unfit to govern the world's only superpower. How lovely are the trees in your backyard?

Housewife: Oh, they're really lovely, thanks. I water them everyday.

Host: Then why don't you hug go one before you call back! Now moving on, in the latest report by the Ministry of Education...


I was driving when I heard that and I tooted horn while my mouth openly called out "F*ck yeah!"

For all you xenophobes out there who fears that this country will be swamped by Asians, remember this:

http://www.nh.gov/ww2/images/ww44.jpg

Since Anzac Day's looming, my patriotism will go into overdrive. I can't wait to attend a dawn parade. It has been my personal tradition since I was a Cadet.

One January morning in Newstalk ZB...

Some liberal housewife (or unemployed woman) rang up the talkback program complaining about Bush's inauguration and about how much of a crap president he is. Here's a transcript before her call was dismissed:

Housewife: Bush is a Nazi... Yak, yak, yak! Blah, blah, blah! (Non-stop rant for almost two minutes.)

Host: Calm down, lady. We know he's unfit to govern the world's only superpower. How lovely are the trees in your backyard?

Housewife: Oh, they're really lovely, thanks. I water them everyday.

Host: Then why don't you hug go one before you call back! Now moving on, in the latest report by the Ministry of Education...


I was driving when I heard that and I tooted horn while my mouth openly called out "F*ck yeah!"

Was Layton Smith the host?

Was Layton Smith the host?

Pity I couldn't remember. But it was certainly not Paul Holmes. Newstalk ZB's got some pretty interesting opinions, but many are ill-informed. E.g. On the day of 9/11, when the U.S. were still investigating whether it was al Queda (hours after the first tower was hit), some dickhead rang up and said it was the "Japanese Red Army" who's responsible.

Maybe I should photoshop that poster and replace it with my name and face, change the captions to "He fights for NZ."

*Stand in a spotlight and points to self.*

"This man is your friend."

... yeah. Shure. But I found their 'dramatization' of National Radio's Tamihere McClarie amusing.

You find it amusing because of today's growing fusion between entertainment and information. But also the good ol' mockery (which anyone is capable of).

Pity I couldn't remember. But it was certainly not Paul Holmes. Newstalk ZB's got some pretty interesting opinions, but many are ill-informed. E.g. On the day of 9/11, when the U.S. were still investigating whether it was al Queda (hours after the first tower was hit), some dickhead rang up and said it was the "Japanese Red Army" who's responsible.

Yeah Newstalk ZB isn't too bad. Some of the callers are, for lack of a better word, misinformed. Mind you I guess that's true for all talk-back radio. Ever listen to Radio Pacific? I used to listen to Ian Wishart from 7-10 pm - kinda interesting, and scary too.

would you rather have Ahmed Zaoui or Helen Clark look after your children (assume for the sake of the question you have children)?

i'd go with Zaoui, im afraid Clark might eat children.

Yeah Newstalk ZB isn't too bad. Some of the callers are, for lack of a better word, misinformed. Mind you I guess that's true for all talk-back radio. Ever listen to Radio Pacific? I used to listen to Ian Wishart from 7-10 pm - kinda interesting, and scary too.

I've been following the Newstalk ZB bandwagon long before my teens. I don't really listen to anything besides it, Concert FM (classical music) and Chinese radio (if they're broadcasting BBC Chinese or the PRC People's Radio).

Most of the youth get their liberal talkback from something on Channel Z, hosted by 'Bomber'.

would you rather have Ahmed Zaoui or Helen Clark look after your children (assume for the sake of the question you have children)?

i'd go with Zaoui, im afraid Clark might eat children.

Neither! One's either a terrorist sympathiser or an illegal immigrant and another's a goddamn dyke (who aren't psychologically capable of child bearing)!

I don't see why the liberals are having such a field day considering that Zaoui entered the country on false documents, then claimed to the be a refugee. Just because of his so-called 'troubled' past, it doesn't mean that he gets to live in the great hotels of NZ's prisons or refugee camps at tax payer expense. If the government was smart, they would have kept the whole thing quiet and sent him back within 24 hours.

From the architecture, why don't they rename the Beehive as 'Sh*t Pile'? It does looks like a huge pile of bullsh*t right in the heart of Wellington!

Earlier in the semester, there was a Young Labor stall during orientation week. I went there and took at look. They were giving out free pens and I accepted one.

Hours later I returned to the stall and slammed that pen down on the table. I declared, "Ya know what? This pen doesn't work, much like your party's policies."

I've been following the Newstalk ZB bandwagon long before my teens. I don't really listen to anything besides it, Concert FM (classical music) and Chinese radio (if they're broadcasting BBC Chinese or the PRC People's Radio).

Most of the youth get their liberal talkback from something on Channel Z, hosted by 'Bomber'.

Yeah. I try to get 'all sides'.

would you rather have Ahmed Zaoui or Helen Clark look after your children (assume for the sake of the question you have children)?

i'd go with Zaoui, im afraid Clark might eat children.

But he could blow up your children.

Am I the most extreme person on this thread?

Am I the most extreme person on this thread?

Well if you mean right-wing extreme, then probably. But there are probably left-wing extremists around. Commies etc.

I consider myself a classical liberal. National Party supporter.

Hey Kiwis,
I'd just like to say I think you guys should be proud of yourselves for the way NZ is so progressive in so many areas. Being from Australia, it makes me jealous to think of your country's record on women in positions of power, indigenous rights, foreign affairs, etc, etc ,etc. Especially considering that Australia has never had a woman in power (not just political power, but judicial power or any other area), has a dreadful record on reconciliation and our treatment of inidgenous peoples, and has a PM who is stuck in the 50's and has his head up George W Bush's arse. :headbang:

Stevie...

Hey Kiwis,
I'd just like to say I think you guys should be proud of yourselves for the way NZ is so progressive in so many areas. Being from Australia, it makes me jealous to think of your country's record on women in positions of power, indigenous rights, foreign affairs, etc, etc ,etc. Especially considering that Australia has never had a woman in power (not just political power, but judicial power or any other area), has a dreadful record on reconciliation and our treatment of inidgenous peoples, and has a PM who is stuck in the 50's and has his head up George W Bush's arse. :headbang:

Stevie...

Cheers. Ashame we can't beat you at rugby though ;)

Hey Kiwis,
I'd just like to say I think you guys should be proud of yourselves for the way NZ is so progressive in so many areas. Being from Australia, it makes me jealous to think of your country's record on women in positions of power, indigenous rights, foreign affairs, etc, etc ,etc. Especially considering that Australia has never had a woman in power (not just political power, but judicial power or any other area), has a dreadful record on reconciliation and our treatment of inidgenous peoples, and has a PM who is stuck in the 50's and has his head up George W Bush's arse. :headbang:

Stevie...

Tell ya what, Mr. Roo, NZ is on the other end of political unenlightenment! But unlike the other Aussies that come here and think we're a bunch of losers, I'm going to post something 'nice' about your country for a change.

http://image.mplib.org/wp/thumbs/MPW00294.jpg

Cheers. Ashame we can't beat you at rugby though ;)

Rugby isn't everything, since it's not even an international sport. Our kids can sure as hell beat their kids at literacy and arithmetic.

new zealand, huh!
never match up to austailia, they have a population the size of melbourne!

I'm no Christian but I think "God Defend New Zealand" is our most patriotic slogan (since we've go no other choices). I don't particularly like the national anthem as it sounds like the weak hymn that it is. I may not agree with serious changes to our flag (it's fine for my patriot eyes), but the national anthem needs work.

What I want to hear is a patriotic, marching tune, not like our current funeral piece.

Marches that I find inspiring:

'The Imperial March' (http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Media/Imperial-March.mp3) (from Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back') by John Williams: I may not be a Lucas fan, but in subsequent viewing, I only watch that movie for the Empire's finesses (they're like galactic Nazis, but heroic).

'March of the Volunteers' (http://english.pladaily.com.cn/special/jygg/mp3/Track%201.mp3) (the PRC national anthem): Yes! An Asian country has a more militant/nationalistic anthem than us. The words of the Chinese national anthem translated into English would be:

Arise, ye who refuse to be slaves;
With our very flesh and blood
Let us build our new Great Wall!
The Peoples of China are in the most critical time,
Everybody must roar his defiance.
Arise! Arise! Arise!
Millions of hearts with one mind,
Brave the enemy's gunfire,
March on!
Brave the enemy's gunfire,
March on! March on! March on, on!

(Despite being a war song during the years of resistance against the Japanese, it's popularity as national anthem has remained unchallenged.)

Prokofiev's 'The Montagues and Capulets' (http://jnjmuse.cnei.or.kr/musicbox_6/prokofieff_montegyu_caplit.mp3): If you have heard of this tune, then you must have been living under a rock for all of your life. Written by a former Soviet composer for a ballet of Shakespeare's famous play in the 1930s, the real Montagues and Capulets were Stalin's Ivans and Hitler's Nazis.

Smetana's 'The Moldau' (http://jnjmuse.cnei.or.kr/musicbox_2/my_fatherland_2_die_moldau.mp3): This is very nationalistic symphonic poem about the Moldau (the river that runs through Prague, the capital of the Czech Republic). Written during the time when the Czechs were struggling for independence from Austria-Hungary, its tune has even inspired the Israeli national anthem.



There's also a whole bunch more, but since most of those who are my age ain't interested in classical music, why should I even bother with more typing?

new zealand, huh!
never match up to austailia, they have a population the size of melbourne!

What's so great about Austrlia, huh? They're substandard for a country of that size, always wanting to be the second United States after America while their government's too p*ssy to even think about building the bomb. Oppressing Abos is what White Australians take most pride in.

Our kids can sure as hell beat their kids at literacy and arithmetic.

Our asian kids maybe...

Our asian kids maybe...

And yes, in terms of education, the West have since the 1950s, lagged behind the Far East.

What's so great about Austrlia, huh? They're substandard for a country of that size, always wanting to be the second United States after America while their government's too p*ssy to even think about building the bomb. Oppressing Abos is what White Australians take most pride in.

first off, it's spel Australia, not Austrlia, i guess that proves the whole New Zealand people are smart worng. And secondly New Zealand are hated by many countries, one of them being France. Also the New Zealand government has no goo history, with a series of wars against the Kiwis in the 1800's, u see this is opressing. Also callling them abos is nothing good, u say we opress aboriginals, u opress them more

Thank you for pointing out my typo as that's my first for the month. I don't really give a sh*t about what your country's called since the name is ripped from a country in Europe anyway.

Why don't you go bomb a boatload of asylum seekers or impale some Abos on a fence before you come back, you arrogant kangaroo git? This thread is about NZ politics, we don't need your John Howard views. Australia doesn't have much to match up to the U.S. in terms of defense. When the WWII Jap* planes came, they ran for the kangaroo pouches.

So what the f*ck is 'Scnarf'? At least Sino means China in Latin and other European languages.



*Japs, Nips, whatever; my grandfather fought them in WWII so that gives me the birthright to use such slur. Since the only person here who's Chinese is _Taiwan, none of you will understand my hate.

For all you xenophobes out there who fears that this country will be swamped by Asians, remember this:

http://www.nh.gov/ww2/images/ww44.jpg

Since Anzac Day's looming, my patriotism will go into overdrive. I can't wait to attend a dawn parade. It has been my personal tradition since I was a Cadet.
My Enemies Enemy is my friend!

first off, it's spel Australia, not Austrlia, i guess that proves the whole New Zealand people are smart worng. And secondly New Zealand are hated by many countries, one of them being France. Also the New Zealand government has no goo history, with a series of wars against the Kiwis in the 1800's, u see this is opressing. Also callling them abos is nothing good, u say we opress aboriginals, u opress them more
Last time i was in OZ a bloody Abo was pissing on the War memorial in Central Brisbane then tried to pick a fight with me!
Sick bastard probably covered in Aids or something!
Shit your Cops were still hunting Abos in the 80's and you still heckle them!

US, Australia and their relations with the rest of the world broken down in a school yard analogy:

U.S. (the playground bully): "Saddam! Put down that weapon of mass destruction (hockey stick)."

*Iraqi does the middle finger then run off.*

Australia (the wannabe who follows America) *in a sqeaky, pre-pubescent voice*: "Yeah, put down that hockey stick or we'll break your f*ckin' legs! Nah, wait! We'll pound your face in." *Jumps up and down, waving fists in the air.*

Did anyone even bother with those mp3 links I posted? The answer's pretty obvious.

first off, it's spel Australia, not Austrlia, i guess that proves the whole New Zealand people are smart worng. And secondly New Zealand are hated by many countries, one of them being France. Also the New Zealand government has no goo history, with a series of wars against the Kiwis in the 1800's, u see this is opressing. Also callling them abos is nothing good, u say we opress aboriginals, u opress them more

Woha, who says France hates us? Last I heard Helen Clark was quite cozy with Chirac. They bombed that Rainbow Warrior and killed a hippie, sure. But that was last century. We must team up with the EU and make a stand against the evil United States!

Secondly, the war 'against the kiwis'? You must be meaning the New Zealand Wars. Which would be more accurately described as a war between some disgruntled Maori rebels and British colonists and some other [loyal] Maori. We were very messed up back then. But still have a FAR better human rights record than you lot...

Last time i was in OZ a bloody Abo was pissing on the War memorial in Central Brisbane then tried to pick a fight with me!
Sick bastard probably covered in Aids or something!


Haha. That got me laughing hard.

Haha. That got me laughing hard.
Its true bloody Wog with uncut finger nails shooting up on god knows what drinking Meths Sick Bastard!
Pissing on Memorials WTF???

And then there are those dick head skaters!

Roughly from the Dominion Post

Dick Head SkatieI dont think its fair that you accuse Skaties of doing this damage Mountain Bikers and Roller bladers etc use the same equipment as us and could have caused the damage to the Tomb(of the Unknown Warrior)

Then this genius goes on to say....

Dick Head SkatieBecause of local Government tearing down the only skate park we have we have to find somewhere else to do it!

Right so you decide to skate on someone grave!
Actually over a dead body!
Nice someone who actually fought for their country so you wouldnt be speaking German so you skate over their body!

Im Glad i live in a Democracy!Lets Piss on and Deface our Veterans deeds!

HOORAY!!!1!!
:rolleyes: :mad:

Im Glad i live in a Democracy!Lets Piss on and Deface our Veterans deeds!

HOORAY!!!1!!
:rolleyes: :mad:

u idiot, i dont believe any one else thinks the same as u, u r a mental case!

Its true bloody Wog with uncut finger nails shooting up on god knows what drinking Meths Sick Bastard!
Pissing on Memorials WTF???

And then there are those dick head skaters!

Roughly from the Dominion Post

Dick Head SkatieI dont think its fair that you accuse Skaties of doing this damage Mountain Bikers and Roller bladers etc use the same equipment as us and could have caused the damage to the Tomb(of the Unknown Warrior)

Then this genius goes on to say....

Dick Head SkatieBecause of local Government tearing down the only skate park we have we have to find somewhere else to do it!

Right so you decide to skate on someone grave!
Actually over a dead body!
Nice someone who actually fought for their country so you wouldnt be speaking German so you skate over their body!

Im Glad i live in a Democracy!Lets Piss on and Deface our Veterans deeds!

HOORAY!!!1!!
:rolleyes: :mad:

The bastards should be hung!

Did you know that we had the death penalty until 1989!?

u idiot, i dont believe any one else thinks the same as u, u r a mental case!

He may be mental... but you're a fuckin' aussie!

Haha. That got me laughing hard.

White drunks do that too. What's so funny about that? Those who disgrace our veterans should be hung, just like that bastard who was so fond of burning our flag in front of Parliament.

We had the death penalty for piracy and treason only, until 1989. Death penalty for other crimes were abolished much earlier. We need to bring back the rope in order to achieve true justice. Let's make executions public for educational purposes!

u idiot, i dont believe any one else thinks the same as u, u r a mental case!
So you havent heard of sarcasam or your in favour of Insulting those that died for our freedom!
Or perhaps your a fence sitter that only jumps in to criticise others!
Which is it????????

u idiot, i dont believe any one else thinks the same as u, u r a mental case!

NZ is full of liberal nutcases like him. We should set up re-education camps.

White drunks do that too. What's so funny about that? Those who disgrace our veterans should be hung, just like that bastard who was so fond of burning our flag in front of Parliament.

We had the death penalty for piracy and treason only, until 1989. Death penalty for other crimes were abolished much earlier. We need to bring back the rope in order to achieve true justice. Let's make executions public for educational purposes!

Burning the flag and pissing on war memorials is treason.

The bastards should be hung!

Did you know that we had the death penalty until 1989!?
i think the last hanging was 1968 but im not to sure........

Insanity is a state of mind!

Hang them all!
Damn arse Liberals!

So you havent heard of sarcasam or your in favour of Insulting those that died for our freedom!
Or perhaps your a fence sitter that only jumps in to criticise others!
Which is it????????

it was him insulting veterans and i was attacking him!

I respect veterans. His lack of patriotism is a national security threat to NZ.

u idiot, i dont believe any one else thinks the same as u, u r a mental case!
What no BS you are attacking me!