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Sorry but got offended here!!! About this kid and bitch raping!! First of all in germany is even a law that you can be prosecuted in germany if you play the sugar daddy in thailand etc a law that as fare as I know doesn´t exist in USA (doesn´t exist in most of the countries!!)

Not only do we have such a law, the severity and reach of it has been increased and the government under Bush expanded it's vigilance with Bush's personal blessing. The cambodians/thais/etc. will probably just put on a show by busting a few pimps without dismalting the child sex tourism industry, but at least US lobbying with threatened tarriffs have had SOME effect.

Please research US policy before making such statements.

As for nudity, that is cultural. Some culture regards the top of the head, ankles, neck, heels, etc. as highly sexual places, and the US regards boobs that way. I dont have the same enthusiam about boobs but thats the cultural reality here.

Really? Why? Do you know? And where is "here?"

Uhm... I'm not totally sure of the reason, but I think it is unhealthier than other drugs that have the same effect such as paracetamol, magnyl, parkodin...etc.
Iceland has very strict laws on ingredients. For example: For years you could not buy m&m's here because of a colouring agent it contained that was known to cause allergies in some people (Eventually the ingredient was removed from m&m's). All imports have to pass a very strict code.
Although, I think they sometimes go a little bit too far with this, this has good sides too, since I can be sure I'm not eating carcinogens and such.

"Here" is Iceland.

Maybe just sex with you is bad?

I don't know as my religion (Judaism) states that sex within a relationship (these aren't cultural, their human) is a good deed.

If I ran the USA, public nudity would be perfectly okay.


Public nudity is NOT something that the world's fattest nation needs.

Why can't we be friends, why can't we be friends? :sniper:

Uhm... I'm not totally sure of the reason, but I think it is unhealthier than other drugs that have the same effect such as paracetamol, magnyl, parkodin...etc.
Iceland has very strict laws on ingredients. For example: For years you could not buy m&m's here because of a colouring agent it contained that was known to cause allergies in some people (Eventually the ingredient was removed from m&m's). All imports have to pass a very strict code.
Although, I think they sometimes go a little bit too far with this, this has good sides too, since I can be sure I'm not eating carcinogens and such.

"Here" is Iceland.

Ah! Iceland is one of the few places I would still like to visit. :)

I suspect it's better to err on the side of caution than to allow questionable ingredients in what you eat or take.

Public nudity is NOT something that the world's fattest nation needs.

Per Capita Britain is catching up fast and might even surpass us soon. In all my life i met 2 thin italians, so the rest of europe isnt much better. Obesity is becoming a problem in the Netherlands, considered one of the healthiest countries (presumblay because of the amount of famine deaths which was followed by brief prosperity.) Germany has growing obesity problems as well, France too. Ive heard reports of obesity rates rising in Sweden. This is a worldwide phenomenon. And to be honest, public nudity is not something any nation needs.

I've heard that in Iceland, there's a food called hakarl that is made from rotten greenland shark meat.

I've heard that in Iceland, there's a food called hakarl that is made from rotten greenland shark meat.
Couldn't be any worse than haggis! :)

Traditional Haggis (from Evelyn Hlabse, esh2@po.CWRU.Edu)
1 sheep's pluck (stomach bag)
2 lb.. dry oatmeal
1 lb. suet
1 lb. lamb's liver
2 1/2 cups stock
1 large chopped onion
1/2 tsp. cayenne pepper, Jamaica pepper and salt
Boil liver and parboil the onion, then mince them together. Lightly brown the oatmeal. Mix all ingredients together. Fill the sheep's pluck with the mixture pressing it down to remove all the air, and sew up securely. Prick the haggis in several places so that it does not burst. Place haggis in boiling water and boil slowly for 4-5 hours. Serves approximately 12.

Public nudity is NOT something that the world's fattest nation needs.
oh please, you know they dont allow fat people within a mile of the filming location., unless there is a call for a fat character, and then only that person is allowed near the set

Couldn't be any worse than haggis!

Traditional Haggis (from Evelyn Hlabse, esh2@po.CWRU.Edu)
1 sheep's pluck (stomach bag)
2 lb.. dry oatmeal
1 lb. suet
1 lb. lamb's liver
2 1/2 cups stock
1 large chopped onion
1/2 tsp. cayenne pepper, Jamaica pepper and salt
Boil liver and parboil the onion, then mince them together. Lightly brown the oatmeal. Mix all ingredients together. Fill the sheep's pluck with the mixture pressing it down to remove all the air, and sew up securely. Prick the haggis in several places so that it does not burst. Place haggis in boiling water and boil slowly for 4-5 hours. Serves approximately 12.

Now that's something you simply don't see everyday.

Couldn't be any worse than haggis! :)

Traditional Haggis (from Evelyn Hlabse, esh2@po.CWRU.Edu)
1 sheep's pluck (stomach bag)
2 lb.. dry oatmeal
1 lb. suet
1 lb. lamb's liver
2 1/2 cups stock
1 large chopped onion
1/2 tsp. cayenne pepper, Jamaica pepper and salt
Boil liver and parboil the onion, then mince them together. Lightly brown the oatmeal. Mix all ingredients together. Fill the sheep's pluck with the mixture pressing it down to remove all the air, and sew up securely. Prick the haggis in several places so that it does not burst. Place haggis in boiling water and boil slowly for 4-5 hours. Serves approximately 12.

Well...The shark thing is true. The dead shark is buried in sand for a few months and then unearthed and eaten. It has a very strong taste, kind of like a very very strong cheese with a fishy aftertaste. The burying thing is to get all the nasty neurotoxins out of the shark. Unearth and eat it too soon: You die a horrible death.

We have haggis too, but instead of that fancy onion and spice stuff they use pieces of lamb-fat.

Well...The shark thing is true. The dead shark is buried in sand for a few months and then unearthed and eaten. It has a very strong taste, kind of like a very very strong cheese with a fishy aftertaste. The burying thing is to get all the nasty neurotoxins out of the shark. Unearth and eat it too soon: You die a horrible death.

Surely eating rotten food would kill you, anyway?

You do know America was founded by prudes, right? Prudes who left Europe because they were disgusted by all the crazy Europeon sex...

I love that movie :D

Surely eating rotten food would kill you, anyway?

No...uhm...It's hard to explain, but this type of shark is not safe to eat unless it's completely rotted. Because of the enviroment it rots in, bacteria and mildew don't appear. People do the same thing with rayfish. After the process you can keep it at room temperature for months without it going bad.
After the process the shark is cut into small pieces, it looks like this:
http://tradisjoner.no/gallery/albums/mat_og_drikke/hakarl.jpg
The traditional cousine here isn't really about flavor, but about preserving food so that it can last through the very harsh winter.

Sex? Why back in my day we had to walk up hill both ways in 4 feet of snow to get to a shack with no heat just so we could have an Orgasm! It just takes a little work thats all and you louzy Americans are Lazy!

The traditional cousine here isn't really about flavor, but about preserving food so that it can last through the very harsh winter.

If it is such a harsh winter, why did they not simply use the low temperatures as an out doors refrigirator. Personally I would believe it is much more difficultto preserve food during a draft in Africa for exemple.

If it is such a harsh winter, why did they not simply use the low temperatures as an out doors refrigirator. Personally I would believe it is much more difficultto preserve food during a draft in Africa for exemple.

If you dry or put food in salt, it will keep much longer than if you put it into cold. This is the most common method. Cold will keep the food edible maybe for a couple of months, but not through an entire winter.
Also, the cold can turn to "damp" very fast. The harsh weather isn't only due to frost, but also very strong winds. Which means that the temperature can be above frostmark, but you can still freeze to death.

And in Africa they also dry meat to preserve it, I think it's called "biltong".

I've heard that in Iceland, there's a food called hakarl that is made from rotten greenland shark meat.

I happen to like haggis, and if nobody told you what it was, you'd eat it and like it, I suspect. As for the Icelanders, I've heard they won't touch cheese, because the idea of eating solidified milk is pretty disgusting to them. It's just what I've heard. The Newfoundlanders eat seal flippers, it's just one of those things. According to a recent study, the diet is healthier than anything we eat, lack of vegetables notwithstanding.

As for fat people, that's partly a result of the poor quality food in the US being cheaper, and we have a tendency to dress up poor quality food with flavoring that disguises it as better food. We actually tend to suffer from malnutrition more often than not.

There are plenty of skinny people in the US too, and I'm sure the fat ones wouldn't want you to see them naked any more than you'd like to see them naked.

Aren't children the point of sex?


No, the point of sex is pleasure

Public nudity is NOT something that the world's fattest nation needs.
I hope you're talking about some country that isn't the US. The US isn't the world's fattest nation.

EDIT: I take that back. It's only true because a lot of Islands in the Pacific aren't recognized as nations, despite inhabitants being fatter than Americans.

No, the point of sex is pleasure


If it hurt to do it, nobody would do it and the species would die off... If whenever you had sex, you got the flu and fainted, puked your guts out for hours, your eyes bled, who would do it?

Sex is about children and expressing love on a higher level to somebody that matters more than anything to you . Pleasure is an indulgence and only hedonists would say the sole point of sex is pleasure. Physical pleasure is a hedonistic act and a sin. Sex is supposed to be emotional+physical pleasure with somebody that matters more than anything to you. Well they shouldn't matter more than God, God always is first in the order of priorities.

Physical pleasure is a hedonistic act and a sin.

Uh-huh? So all physical pleasure is a sin then. Right.

I can see it from both points of view. Having sex without any emotional involvement is kind of pointless. I don't think it's just for the sake of having kids, but I don't think Decisive Action is trying to say that all pleasure is sinful, either. I hope not. I'd like to think that what was meant was that anything taken to excess and overindulged in tends to distract us from personal and spiritual growth. There's nothing wrong with indulgence, as long as it's practiced in moderation. I think that with everything, not just sex, what really matters is the spirit in which it is undertaken.

If it hurt to do it, nobody would do it and the species would die off... If whenever you had sex, you got the flu and fainted, puked your guts out for hours, your eyes bled, who would do it?Black widows and preying mantis males get eaten when they have sex yet those two species thrive, nature wins in the end no matter the cost.Sex is about children and expressing love on a higher level to somebody that matters more than anything to you . Pleasure is an indulgence and only hedonists would say the sole point of sex is pleasure. Physical pleasure is a hedonistic act and a sin. Sex is supposed to be emotional+physical pleasure with somebody that matters more than anything to you. Well they shouldn't matter more than God, God always is first in the order of priorities.Sex is about procreation of the species, leave the God bullshit out of it. If we get pleasue out of sex also, well bonus for us. Not all species are so lucky.

Human sex is not just about procreation. Its about bonding between the man and the woman, which is intended to bring them closer together. This is why it is pleasurable to most people.

Human sex is not just about procreation. Its about bonding between the man and the woman, which is intended to bring them closer together. This is why it is pleasurable to most people.It is about procreation. The pleasure/bonding thing is a evolutionary development to establish an environment more likely to bring children through the rigors into adulthood. Two parents are better than one, the male stays around for the pleasure of the sex giving the offspring a better chance. Not very romantic when you put it that way, I know, but lets put aside all the bull and tell it like it really is.

I've heard that in Iceland, there's a food called hakarl that is made from rotten greenland shark meat.

Thanks a lot. -.-

I don't think that the US is, in general, more sexally repressed than Europe. It is certainly less repressed for the most part than the UK or the "Catholic" European nations.


Um... I've been to Italy... and Germany... and they are probably the most overtly sexual places I've ever been... so the statement that the "Catholic" European nations (Italy is almost completely Catholic, and southern Germany is also heavily Catholic) are more sexually repressed than the US is simply a load of hooey.

If it hurt to do it, nobody would do it and the species would die off... If whenever you had sex, you got the flu and fainted, puked your guts out for hours, your eyes bled, who would do it?

Whenever I wanted to have children, yes. There are several examples of this in nature, the most extreme of which is the plight of the samon. They travel up-stream at the end of their lives, breed and then die.

Infact, this is the prime arguement that sex is supposed to be for pleasure first and child creation second! Otherwise, it would be an intolerable act that people only preformed a few times in their lives.


Physical pleasure is a hedonistic act and a sin.

another religious zealot that needs to read Song of Solomon

Sex is supposed to be emotional + physical pleasure with somebody that matters more than anything to you.

according to you sex is a sin for creating children. okay, you can have that -- I'll take advantage of birth-control and condoms!

I have a question: is it a known assumption that for sex to be better it has to last some time? Or can it be great sex and only last 15mns?And is it the more the better like the tantra sex?
Anyway I don't think sex is for procreation purposes only. It helps strenghtening relation ties (although as many persons think it is not determinant) and it has other beneficial purposes.

It is about procreation. The pleasure/bonding thing is a evolutionary development to establish an environment more likely to bring children through the rigors into adulthood. Two parents are better than one, the male stays around for the pleasure of the sex giving the offspring a better chance. Not very romantic when you put it that way, I know, but lets put aside all the bull and tell it like it really is.
of course, the same origins can be produced for all human emotions, and that doesn't mean we necessarily let them remain at that level. it's kind of like how the human hand did not evolve specifically to enable us to play the piano, but we still use it for that purpose because our higher brain functions allow us to put our bodies and minds to purposes other than those evolution selected.

I have a question: is it a known assumption that for sex to be better it has to last some time? Or can it be great sex and only last 15mns?And is it the more the better like the tantra sex?
Anyway I don't think sex is for procreation purposes only. It helps strenghtening relation ties (although as many persons think it is not determinant) and it has other beneficial purposes.

You can have sex that lasts an hour and still isn't good, and just results in a good twinset of friction burns. 15 minutes is more than most people manage. In my own opinion, for sex to be good, both parties have to care more about the other one getting enjoyment out of it than themselves. It usually ends up that both parties win in this situation. Tenderness is a good start, and not being in a rush to bust a nut, at the expense of your partner.

Sex? Why back in my day we had to walk up hill both ways in 4 feet of snow to get to a shack with no heat just so we could have an Orgasm! It just takes a little work thats all and you louzy Americans are Lazy!

ROFLMAO!!!! Yup! Not only that, but we had to use dried sheep's bladders for condoms! Hehehe! :D

If you dry or put food in salt, it will keep much longer than if you put it into cold.

Anyone on here ever eat "country ham?" That's ham which has been cured in salt.

I have a question: is it a known assumption that for sex to be better it has to last some time? Or can it be great sex and only last 15mns?And is it the more the better like the tantra sex?
Anyway I don't think sex is for procreation purposes only. It helps strenghtening relation ties (although as many persons think it is not determinant) and it has other beneficial purposes.

Not necessarily. I'm probably going to be flammed for this, but it seems that most women have a higher "boiling point" than most men. That's one of the main reasons that Tantric sex places emphasis on the man exercising a high degree of self-control.

As to sex having beneficial effects other than procreation, that's a given: it increases cardio-vascular function; it relieves stress; it increases mental accuity; the list is long.

You can have sex that lasts an hour and still isn't good, and just results in a good twinset of friction burns. 15 minutes is more than most people manage. In my own opinion, for sex to be good, both parties have to care more about the other one getting enjoyment out of it than themselves. It usually ends up that both parties win in this situation. Tenderness is a good start, and not being in a rush to bust a nut, at the expense of your partner.

Do you mean "15 minutes" of actual intercourse, or 15 minutes for the entire act? The longest period of time I ever experiened was about an hour, but that was some time ago. One of the best suggestions I've heard about sex was that "the man needs to exercise as much self-control as possible, and the woman should be just a bit selfish."

You know I read through the first 3 pages of this thread and could not believe my eyes.... You all make it sound like there a crime bein commited...

I will say this.... With the right person sex is GREAT, otherwise it is overrated....

PS God got it right when he made chicks!!!

pps... 15min... whoever you learnt from you lost out..... lolz, There are girls out there that will make you wish it was over in 15min ;o} ....

Do you mean "15 minutes" of actual intercourse, or 15 minutes for the entire act? The longest period of time I ever experiened was about an hour, but that was some time ago. One of the best suggestions I've heard about sex was that "the man needs to exercise as much self-control as possible, and the woman should be just a bit selfish."

Usually, in my realm of experience, people don't take long enough to enjoy it, and the entire act takes about 10 minutes from start to finish, if that long. It comes from people not demanding a more satisfying experience, or men being selfish about it. I've had sex for longer, many times, but that included foreplay, which seems to have gone by the wayside for many people. I don't think it would ever fly, but I almost wish there were some kind of training program to show people how it should be done, run by sensitive people who could point out what isn't good and what is.

pps.... I have a son and he is the greatest thing that ever has, could be, and ever will be, thing that ever happened to me including sex!!

Usually, in my realm of experience, people don't take long enough to enjoy it, and the entire act takes about 10 minutes from start to finish, if that long. It comes from people not demanding a more satisfying experience, or men being selfish about it. I've had sex for longer, many times, but that included foreplay, which seems to have gone by the wayside for many people. I don't think it would ever fly, but I almost wish there were some kind of training program to show people how it should be done, run by sensitive people who could point out what isn't good and what is.


well, after seeing a certain programme called Eurotrash, i can tell there is such a school in Italy (suprise suprise) and that helps people with their technique...it also involves saunas, swimming pools, jacuzzis, back seats of cars amongst other places.....

well, after seeing a certain programme called Eurotrash, i can tell there is such a school in Italy (suprise suprise) and that helps people with their technique...it also involves saunas, swimming pools, jacuzzis, back seats of cars amongst other places.....

I tend to stay away from using Eurotrash as a source, since it's usually a little bit silly and a little bit sordid, and always sensationalist. If they're covering it, it must have something wrong with it...

Maybe I'm wrong. Don't get me wrong, I like the show, it's like watching a train wreck, you can't tear your eyes away, and Antoine de Caunes is ummm...different...interesting?

I tend to stay away from using Eurotrash as a source, since it's usually a little bit silly and a little bit sordid, and always sensationalist. If they're covering it, it must have something wrong with it...

Maybe I'm wrong. Don't get me wrong, I like the show, it's like watching a train wreck, you can't tear your eyes away, and Antoine de Caunes is ummm...different...interesting?


i know i know, it was just amusing to see thats all....as for the show itself i think the word 'individual' would best describe itself and its presenter....... :p

Well, I always thought "Sit on Me" was the best part of the show. :p

well, after seeing a certain programme called Eurotrash, i can tell there is such a school in Italy (suprise suprise) and that helps people with their technique...it also involves saunas, swimming pools, jacuzzis, back seats of cars amongst other places.....

You have, of course, caught on that the whole point of Eurotrash is to poke fun at the British sense of prudishness about sex and so the fascination which results as voyeurism and smut, rather than what it appears to be on the surface a laughing at the other Europeans for their actual sexual activity...

If it hurt to do it, nobody would do it and the species would die off... If whenever you had sex, you got the flu and fainted, puked your guts out for hours, your eyes bled, who would do it?

If all sex was that good, then I would do it more often, not less.

I have noticed that American culture is strongly sex negative. Of course they won't say it outright, but it is undeniable. If you think American commercials are heavily sexual, you obviously haven't heard about European views on nudity and sex. In fact, the US is probably one of the most sexually repressed first world nations.

Now I know you will deny it by saying "We only disapprove of sex outside of a specific cultural construct," or "But look at all the attractive women not dressed in baggy clothing you see on TV," or "It's not like we shoot people o on the spot for possessing hentai," but the fact remains that America is sexually repressed. Why is sex so bad?

Note: "Because God/Jesus/the Bible said so" is not a good enough answer for me. I am agnostic and it doesn't answer anything for me.

Sex is icky. :D

(Jk)

You have, of course, caught on that the whole point of Eurotrash is to poke fun at the British sense of prudishness about sex and so the fascination which results as voyeurism and smut, rather than what it appears to be on the surface a laughing at the other Europeans for their actual sexual activity...

You have to admit, though, that even if it's not to laugh at other Europeans, some of the stuff they do IS laughable.

And yes, the brits are pretty prudish and voyeuristic and kinky. I remember reading somewhere that the US is free of the whole gas-mask fetish due to not being part of the blitz, while the UK took it and ran with it...

I'm not trying to say horrible things about the British, they are what they are, and they're people, like any others, but there are some quirks that need explaining. Like the Carry On movies, for instance. :p

Usually, in my realm of experience, people don't take long enough to enjoy it, and the entire act takes about 10 minutes from start to finish, if that long. It comes from people not demanding a more satisfying experience, or men being selfish about it. I've had sex for longer, many times, but that included foreplay, which seems to have gone by the wayside for many people. I don't think it would ever fly, but I almost wish there were some kind of training program to show people how it should be done, run by sensitive people who could point out what isn't good and what is.

There are.

When I mentioned an hour, I wasn't including foreplay. Including foreplay, it was more like three hours ... no lie.

Well, I always thought "Sit on Me" was the best part of the show. :p

Um ... I was going to comment on this but there are MODS! :D

There are.

When I mentioned an hour, I wasn't including foreplay. Including foreplay, it was more like three hours ... no lie.

That sounds like a nice evening indoors. :)

Honestly, though, there are so many people out there who aren't getting as much out of it as they could, and they really have no idea what they're missing. As much as it's tempting to say, "ah well, then I guess those of us who know what we're doing will just have more fun", there's another part of me that feels really sorry for anyone who doesn't know how nice it can be.

Sex is icky. :D

(Jk)

Isn't it though! Just imagine ... all that thrashing about, all those nasty bodily fluids, all that sweating ... um ... I'll be back in a moment ... think I need a shower ... a COLD one! LOL!

That sounds like a nice evening indoors. :)

Honestly, though, there are so many people out there who aren't getting as much out of it as they could, and they really have no idea what they're missing. As much as it's tempting to say, "ah well, then I guess those of us who know what we're doing will just have more fun", there's another part of me that feels really sorry for anyone who doesn't know how nice it can be.

"Nice" is probably a classic understatement! My response ( and my partner's ) at the time was "OMG!" :D

Careful, or you'll have me feeling sorry for myself. My man is across the sea, and not due to arrive back for another two months. I can understate all I want, since at the moment, I'm envious of anyone who can be with the one they love.

Careful, or you'll have me feeling sorry for myself. My man is across the sea, and not due to arrive back for another two months. I can understate all I want, since at the moment, I'm envious of anyone who can be with the one they love.

I can sympathize. My gf lives halfway around the world. :(

Okay, that's the last straw. I'm going to go clean the catbox and take my mind off of anything even remotely pleasant thereby. ;)

Careful, or you'll have me feeling sorry for myself. My man is across the sea, and not due to arrive back for another two months. I can understate all I want, since at the moment, I'm envious of anyone who can be with the one they love.

Yeah. Me too. My g/f lives about 350 miles away. :(

Okay, that's the last straw. I'm going to go clean the catbox and take my mind off of anything even remotely pleasant thereby. ;)

LOL! I know the feeling. I cleaned my lil buddy's box yesterday and thought, "ONE lil cat did all THIS?" Heh!

L'il buddy my ass. I have two, and they decorate my house with fur and chase each other to see who can knock something over first.

I miss my man. He'd get these critters in line for me.

L'il buddy my ass. I have two, and they decorate my house with fur and chase each other to see who can knock something over first.

I miss my man. He'd get these critters in line for me.

ROFL! Well, I live alone except for my cat and dog, and the cat has been with me for about seven years now and we're very attached to each other.

ROFL! Well, I live alone except for my cat and dog, and the cat has been with me for about seven years now and we're very attached to each other.


you mean the cat has its claws embedded in you.....

you mean the cat has its claws embedded in you.....

Um ... no, but my g/f sometimes does! :D

I have a question: is it a known assumption that for sex to be better it has to last some time? Or can it be great sex and only last 15mns?And is it the more the better like the tantra sex?
Anyway I don't think sex is for procreation purposes only. It helps strenghtening relation ties (although as many persons think it is not determinant) and it has other beneficial purposes.
ive never had tantric sex myself but i have friends, both male and female, who swear by it

one man i know who tried it the first time with his wife was utterly blown away with the quality of the orgasm he had with it.

in a long term relationship, mixing things up is good. so a 5 minute quickie in some inappropriate place makes for good sex as does spending a few hours "doing it right" on a special occasion. and all the times inbetween

it SEEMS like sex is only for procreation, but as humans its way more than that eh? otherwise we would not have sex before we were wanting children and we would stop having it after we had all the children we want. and NO woman would EVER have sex after menopause. procreation is important but the huge psychological and physiological aspects keep us at it way longer than is procreationally useful.

ive never had tantric sex myself but i have friends, both male and female, who swear by it

one man i know who tried it the first time with his wife was utterly blown away with the quality of the orgasm he had with it.

in a long term relationship, mixing things up is good. so a 5 minute quickie in some inappropriate place makes for good sex as does spending a few hours "doing it right" on a special occasion. and all the times inbetween

it SEEMS like sex is only for procreation, but as humans its way more than that eh? otherwise we would not have sex before we were wanting children and we would stop having it after we had all the children we want. and NO woman would EVER have sex after menopause. procreation is important but the huge psychological and physiological aspects keep us at it way longer than is procreationally useful.

Good post! As you get further into Tantric sex you discover that one of the objectives for the man is to never have an orgasm. I take great exception to this aspect of it, but the rest is great!

"Bumptee-bump! Bumptee-bump!"

the arugement "because god says so" might not be good enough for u, but it was good enough for the founders of modern America, who where deeply christain (ie puritans) whose values are still present in there society today weather they agree with them or not. As well as the Irish migration during the famine, who are mostly chatholic and as we all know sex is the number one sin for catholics. So america isnt anti sex coz it just feels like it, its anti sex coz of the hokey religions its founders followed.

Check your facts please. The founders of the United States were NOT deeply Christian, or Puritans. Most of them were in fact Deists and had many qualms with the bible and the idea of the Christian God. They are in fact that reason that we have what religious freedom we have in America; they founded this nation as Deists in a nation that was mostly Puritan at the time and felt it important to preserve minority rights. (Majority rule, Minority Right was a slogan they often went by in their idea of democracy). These founders were actually much more inclined to be sensible and rational than religious fanatics.

Also, and I could be wrong on this point, I don't believe "sex is the number one sin for catholics."

Also, and I could be wrong on this point, I don't believe "sex is the number one sin for catholics."

So what is? I would think "idolatry," in the broader sense of anything which replaces God as the primary object of worship.

There's nothing bad about sex at all (between consenting adults of course). Sex is good. Especially with my sweetheart :)

I have noticed that American culture is strongly sex negative. Of course they won't say it outright, but it is undeniable. If you think American commercials are heavily sexual, you obviously haven't heard about European views on nudity and sex. In fact, the US is probably one of the most sexually repressed first world nations.

Now I know you will deny it by saying "We only disapprove of sex outside of a specific cultural construct," or "But look at all the attractive women not dressed in baggy clothing you see on TV," or "It's not like we shoot people o on the spot for possessing hentai," but the fact remains that America is sexually repressed. Why is sex so bad?

Note: "Because God/Jesus/the Bible said so" is not a good enough answer for me. I am agnostic and it doesn't answer anything for me.

Surely that's the point though.
The Bible said it was and Western culture never truly let go of it's Biblical roots.
Although that said, while the culture may be to repress it, a lot of people are not in themselves sexually repressed and in their own homes and social circles are quite open and forward about sex.

Um ... no, but my g/f sometimes does! :D

Oh god, I thought I was the only one with a crazy gf. Well, not anymore, we broke up recently, but still, she used to try to bite my fingers off as a form of teasing O_o

Well, not really bite them off, but nibble. An odd girl she was...

Oh god, I thought I was the only one with a crazy gf. Well, not anymore, we broke up recently, but still, she used to try to bite my fingers off as a form of teasing O_o

Well, not really bite them off, but nibble. An odd girl she was...

Hmm. Sounds just a BIT kinky, but I've been known to suck on toes while doing the "wild thang," so I don't suppose I can throw any stones. ( Yes, they were CLEAN toes! ) :D

Hey Dont Diss It Sex Rocks!! :fluffle:

Hmm. Sounds just a BIT kinky, but I've been known to suck on toes while doing the "wild thang," so I don't suppose I can throw any stones. ( Yes, they were CLEAN toes! ) :D

Heh, well, I used to bring it up whenever we were doing the deed, saying something about forbidding her from putting any part of me into her mouth...

:D

There is nothing wrong with sex. More importantly what is wrong with keeping it behind closed doors?

Sex isn't bad. I just don't want to hear about it because I don't get any. :(

And for those guys who say girls can always get laid.... you stink!

LOL! I know the feeling. I cleaned my lil buddy's box yesterday and thought, "ONE lil cat did all THIS?" Heh!

Oh, the joys of having a small back yard with some soil in it for my cat to take care of the whole shitting and pissing malarky by herself in. :p

And for those guys who say girls can always get laid.... you stink!
what if a girl tells you that? ;)

what if a girl tells you that? ;)

You stink just as bad and I'm darn tootin' jealous! :D

Sex isn't bad. I just don't want to hear about it because I don't get any. :(

And for those guys who say girls can always get laid.... you stink!

I'd offer my services but I cost £500 a night.
:p

I'd offer my services but I cost £500 a night.
:p

Shucks, I'm a college student and an ocean away! ;) Thanks anyway! :D

You stink just as bad and I'm darn tootin' jealous! :D
eh. i can live with that :p

Shucks, I'm a college student and an ocean away! ;) Thanks anyway! :D

Ah well.
Just wear your skirts shorter then.
;)

Ah well.
Just wear your skirts shorter then.
;)

Well... as a big chick, I don't think the population would agree with that. :)

Well... as a big chick, I don't think the population would agree with that. :)

Define 'big'.
I've known some very cute 'big' girls.
One of them was better looking because of it; were she thinner then she wouldn't have looked as good.

Well... I'm plump. My stomach doesn't stick out futher than my breasts. *lol* I'm not ugly... I think it's self-esteem issues. That's the real root of my lack of getting laid.

Well... I'm plump. My stomach doesn't stick out futher than my breasts. *lol* I'm not ugly... I think it's self-esteem issues. That's the real root of my lack of getting laid.

That sounds quite cute though.
I'm sure most of it is in your head.
Although maybe all the guys nearby are shallow and just want a barbie doll.
I'm not too keen on that look myself, there is such a thing as too thin.

I'm one of the few remaining individuals in this country who still thinks kids having sex at like 11, 12, 13, 14 and 15 years old is creepy and depressing.

Um. That's a very wide range. There is a huge, HUGE difference between an 11 year old and a 15 year old. Many 11 year olds, especially boys, haven't even hit puberty yet! It's the difference between my opinion on loss of virginity being "creepy and disturbing" or "sure, that's fine".

I am 14 and my view for as long as I can remember has been that 15 is the youngest acceptable age for me to have sex. For about a year now, I've been thinking "yeah, I'd still do it at 15 if I was ready, but I'm not going to be that soon." I have some friends that I know have already lost their virginity - one at 13, who was very irresponsible and I think it was a bad idea, and one at 14 who I still can hardly believe, but he was ready so I have no real objection.

I would say that 11-12 year olds really should not be having sex and if they do... that's just wrong. 13 year olds, I do think is "creepy and depressing". 14, pretty young but I realize some people are that mature. 15... sure, that's my own minimum, why not?

Heh, well, I used to bring it up whenever we were doing the deed, saying something about forbidding her from putting any part of me into her mouth...

:D


ROFLMAO!!!! Yikes! That sure does elminiate a lot of ... um ... territory! :D

Heh, I meant it as a joke, and she certainly did love disobeying me and going for said...eliminated territory.

i agre w/ who ever started this post the US is WAY to sexualy represed and needs to loosen up a LOT. the reason most under age people will screw is becals its an act of difance and "were" not soposed to, which is the same reason that people will do drugs, teens steel/download porn/hentai and smoke them damn sigerats and geting shit faced drunk. you look in other countries and you wont see maney yonger people doing all that shit which you see a lot of in the US. and befor people start saying im just running my mouth and dont know what im talking bout, let me just say, i do , ive seen it first hand, im 15 years old and see every thing i sad and MUCH more going on every day at my school.

(BTW i thalt i read something bout you geting shot for haveing hentai is that true???[quickly encriptes hard drive with a 20 diget pass code])

i agre w/ who ever started this post the US is WAY to sexualy represed and needs to loosen up a LOT. the reason most under age people will screw is becals its an act of difance and "were" not soposed to, which is the same reason that people will do drugs, teens steel/download porn/hentai and smoke them damn sigerats and geting shit faced
wait, you're saying the main reason people have sex is just to tick off their parents, and the THREAD FOUNDER is the repressed one?!

i don't know a single person who had sex or did drugs just to piss of their parents, and i hung with a seriously rowdy group. the fact that having sex or doing drugs pissed off their parents was icing on the cake, to be sure, but the idea that teens only do those things as an act of rebelion is an utter myth. there may be some teens, somewhere, who do that, but there are also some teens who think that mopeds are really really hot...doesn't mean that they are a good template for young people, or for standards of sexual behavior.

Heh, I meant it as a joke, and she certainly did love disobeying me and going for said...eliminated territory.

Lucky, lucky you, eh? :D

Well... I'm plump. My stomach doesn't stick out futher than my breasts. *lol* I'm not ugly... I think it's self-esteem issues. That's the real root of my lack of getting laid.
tellacar, no woman is naturally beautiful (almost all women ARE in fact naturally beautiful but im referring to the strange societal norms of what is beautiful)

we dont naturally wear high heels, have blue eyelids, red red lips, pushed up breasts.

big women just need to package it all the right way to become drop dead gorgeous. we have curves that no skinny little thing can ever have. sure some men are fetishist for skin and bones but just as many really go for a woman with some flesh on her.

its all about "packaging". as the advertising notion goes, you arent selling the steak youre selling the sizzle.

wait, you're saying the main reason people have sex is just to tick off their parents, and the THREAD FOUNDER is the repressed one?!

i don't know a single person who had sex or did drugs just to piss of their parents, and i hung with a seriously rowdy group. the fact that having sex or doing drugs pissed off their parents was icing on the cake, to be sure, but the idea that teens only do those things as an act of rebelion is an utter myth. there may be some teens, somewhere, who do that, but there are also some teens who think that mopeds are really really hot...doesn't mean that they are a good template for young people, or for standards of sexual behavior.

you lost me w/ the bit about the thread founder

and no im not saying that the main reason people have sex is just to tick off their parents. what im trying to sayis kinda complex and i shoud have phrased it better the reason most undre aged people do things that there not sopsed to do is that it an ack of difance agenst the system that wants to control to much of our lives (BTW im sitting hear listing to pink floyds album "the wall" mabe now you can under stand how i think)

tellacar, no woman is naturally beautiful (almost all women ARE in fact naturally beautiful but im referring to the strange societal norms of what is beautiful)

we dont naturally wear high heels, have blue eyelids, red red lips, pushed up breasts.

big women just need to package it all the right way to become drop dead gorgeous. we have curves that no skinny little thing can ever have. sure some men are fetishist for skin and bones but just as many really go for a woman with some flesh on her.

its all about "packaging". as the advertising notion goes, you arent selling the steak youre selling the sizzle.

I guess that's another thing I need to learn. But thanks for the advice. :)

tellacar, no woman is naturally beautiful (almost all women ARE in fact naturally beautiful but im referring to the strange societal norms of what is beautiful)

we dont naturally wear high heels, have blue eyelids, red red lips, pushed up breasts.

big women just need to package it all the right way to become drop dead gorgeous. we have curves that no skinny little thing can ever have. sure some men are fetishist for skin and bones but just as many really go for a woman with some flesh on her.

its all about "packaging". as the advertising notion goes, you arent selling the steak youre selling the sizzle.

The best and kindest thing a man can do is to look for that which is beautiful about every woman. For some it may be lovely eyes, for others it may be the gentle curve of the neck ... but keep in mind that physical "beauty" is very ephemeral, particularly when it's the current "popular version" of beauty. Beauty which lasts comes from the mind, the heart and, yes, the soul. Considering only physical beauty is shallow and short-term; considering all the various sources of beauty is wise and lasting.

The best and kindest thing a man can do is to look for that which is beautiful about every woman. For some it may be lovely eyes, for others it may be the gentle curve of the neck ... but keep in mind that physical "beauty" is very ephemeral, particularly when it's the current "popular version" of beauty. Beauty which lasts comes from the mind, the heart and, yes, the soul. Considering only physical beauty is shallow and short-term; considering all the various sources of beauty is wise and lasting.
its always seemed to me that one of the marks of maturity is when you get past the image of beauty that society projects and figure out for yourself what really attracts you. (ive always been impressed by letila for that reason)

the beauty of youth fades but positive people retain a different kind of beauty that lasts forever. ive seen 80 year old women who are so beautiful that i can only hope to be half that lovely when i get that age.

its always seemed to me that one of the marks of maturity is when you get past the image of beauty that society projects and figure out for yourself what really attracts you. (ive always been impressed by letila for that reason)

the beauty of youth fades but positive people retain a different kind of beauty that lasts forever. ive seen 80 year old women who are so beautiful that i can only hope to be half that lovely when i get that age.

Careful! Your maturity is showing. That will put you in a very small minority here! :D

the arugement "because god says so" might not be good enough for u, but it was good enough for the founders of modern America, who where deeply christain (ie puritans) whose values are still present in there society today weather they agree with them or not. As well as the Irish migration during the famine, who are mostly chatholic and as we all know sex is the number one sin for catholics. So america isnt anti sex coz it just feels like it, its anti sex coz of the hokey religions its founders followed.


Oh for the love of...

The Puritans were founders of one colony, not all of America. The Founding Fathers were, for the most part deists - which would mean not any type of Christians as we would recognize them today. Payne, Franklin, Hamilton... they were all deists. Jefferson was at best a deist, and appeared to waver between agnosticism and outright atheism. Adams was one of the most religious and he was a fricking Unitarian.

"Hokey" views of sex are primarily due to funky Christian views that are meant to control people: "People are EVIL! Only through our whacky cult can you be redeemed! FEEL GUILTY OVER YOUR URGES, UNCLEAN ONE!" And so forth. What we're seeing in the U.S. is a cultural change in attitudes towards sex that Europe has already been through. There are plenty of cultures that are even more repressive towards sex (cutting of the rose, anyone?). We'll get over it. Just give us time.

I guess that's another thing I need to learn. But thanks for the advice. :)
i would never recommend to anyone that they change their whole way of dressing just to meet some idea of beauty
but
it can be very fun to experiment with various looks until you find one that works for you. you dont have to do it all the time but now and then its nice to be all girly girly.

sex is only bad if you don't communicate with your partner and if you don't express what you both enjoy and want and then satisfy each other's needs.

otherwise, it's great.

sex is only bad if you don't communicate with your partner and if you don't express what you both enjoy and want and then satisfy each other's needs.

otherwise, it's great.

What do you think is the best way to go about doing that?

sure some men are fetishist for skin and bones but just as many really go for a woman with some flesh on her.

Damn right. You can keep your scrawny underweight wretches.

Having said that, though, the brain/mind remains the sexiest human organ of them all.

... the brain/mind remains the sexiest human organ of them all.

True, but I would love to hear your reasoning on that. :)

True, but I would love to hear your reasoning on that. :)

I'll keep it simple here - the last time I made this statement the thread turned into a multi-page debate on the mind/body problem taking in Spinoza, Occasionalism, emergent characteristics, the ghost in the machine und so weiter - what a person does with their body is potentially much more sexy than just the body itself, and the way they act is controlled by the brain/mind. This isn't just limited to your basic mechanics of sexual activity, but the whole life that an individual choses to live.

What a person does with their body is potentially much more sexy than just the body itself.

Yup! And if she ( or he, for that matter ) engages all the senses, not just the sense of sight, the results can be, shall we say, "explosive?" :D

It's not. IF YOU ARE MARRIED TO THE PERSON AND ARE OF OPPOSITE SEX!!!

Aren't children the point of sex?

I do agree though, American is extremely sexually repressed. I think it might be somewhat of a lashback from the growth of sexual expression by the last generation. But that's just a stab in the dark, I have no clue.


I think it is because the right has their radical fundamental values, and the left does not want to offend the radical feminists sense of self-worth. Each one then imposes the government to repress sexuality for their own reasons.

Note: "Because God/Jesus/the Bible said so" is not a good enough answer for me. I am agnostic and it doesn't answer anything for me.

No, because society says so, and society says so because in the past society believed 'God/Jesus/The Bible' said so. And it takes a long time or a war to change society, and even a war won't change something that people feel so guilty about as sex. It's sad, it's wrong, but it's a fact. Of course, attitudes can change. The UK is getting better, for example.

The reasons Europeans have a different culture goes right back to the Pilgrim Fathers. Britain and America have strict puritan roots to its society. Most European countries have a Catholic basis to society (not meaning they have Popish guilt, I mean they have a sense of fun). Of course, this doesn't explain Germany. But what does?

So, yeah, it's a cultural thing. We'd all like to think we weren't tied down by social pressures, but we are.

I think it is because the right has their radical fundamental values, and the left does not want to offend the radical feminists sense of self-worth. Each one then imposes the government to repress sexuality for their own reasons.

I think feminism, and I'm not referring to the more hard-bitten of our sisterhood, has given women more options. This is not to say that we've always done it right, but hey, if you haven't had much practice at freedom, you fall down a few times getting the hang of it.

Feminism is about being able to find out what your potential is, and not having limits on it. Sexually, it means that we have the right to expect something more from the experience than just being a glorified concubine/incubator/maid. It's not all a bad thing. Some men like women with minds of their own, and some spirit.

I think feminism, and I'm not referring to the more hard-bitten of our sisterhood, has given women more options. This is not to say that we've always done it right, but hey, if you haven't had much practice at freedom, you fall down a few times getting the hang of it.

Feminism is about being able to find out what your potential is, and not having limits on it. Sexually, it means that we have the right to expect something more from the experience than just being a glorified concubine/incubator/maid. It's not all a bad thing. Some men like women with minds of their own, and some spirit.

I may just agree with you on this one! :)

I personally love women with minds of their own, and lots of "spirit." I've always looked for the sort of mutual support where two can stand back to back if necessary, and hack 'em down from both directions. Takes a lot of heart.

BTW ... this "... if you haven't had much practice at freedom, you fall down a few times getting the hang of it," reminds me of the people of Afghanistan and Iraq. Just thought I would mention that. ;)

I may just agree with you on this one! :)

I personally love women with minds of their own, and lots of "spirit." I've always looked for the sort of mutual support where two can stand back to back if necessary, and hack 'em down from both directions. Takes a lot of heart.

BTW ... this "... if you haven't had much practice at freedom, you fall down a few times getting the hang of it," reminds me of the people of Afghanistan and Iraq. Just thought I would mention that. ;)

Oh, absolutely, I'd agree with the idea that Afghanistan and Iraq are still testing their wings. Rome wasn't built in a day. Maybe we should give them a chance to work on it a bit. Still...this is getting off topic.

I think that men and women should think of their relationships as partnerships, to think of the other as the person who has their back. I think a lot of people are afraid to cut someone loose when it's obvious that the two of them aren't a partnership, and they do nothing but fight each other. If there's no equality, no mutual respect between them, one of them is always at a disadvantage, and there's no balance. It's lopsided, and there's no way it can roll straight that way.

Oh, absolutely, I'd agree with the idea that Afghanistan and Iraq are still testing their wings. Rome wasn't built in a day. Maybe we should give them a chance to work on it a bit. Still...this is getting off topic.

I think that men and women should think of their relationships as partnerships, to think of the other as the person who has their back. I think a lot of people are afraid to cut someone loose when it's obvious that the two of them aren't a partnership, and they do nothing but fight each other. If there's no equality, no mutual respect between them, one of them is always at a disadvantage, and there's no balance. It's lopsided, and there's no way it can roll straight that way.

Heh! Sounds like my expired marriage, only the feeling was mutual! LOL!

Heh! Sounds like my expired marriage, only the feeling was mutual! LOL!

How do you think I learned this stuff? The hard way, of course. I always was a bit thickheaded. ;)

How do you think I learned this stuff? The hard way, of course. I always was a bit thickheaded. ;)

LOL! Well, we had about 20 good years and after that it was all downhill. We're still "technically" married ( whatever the hell THAT means! ), but haven't lived together for about 5. She and I differed on more things than you can shake a stick at ( to coin an expression ): she's a fundamentalist and I'm just kinda spiritual, she's anti-abortion and I'm pro under some circustances, she's anti-intellectual and I fancy myself a "closet intellectual" ( whatever the hell THAT means! ), etc. ad nauseaum. She got so pissed at me about all of our differences that she cut me off. I held out for a couple of years and then said "The hell with THIS!" End of story. :)

Oh yeah ... it didn't help that my income went south when I had my parachuting accident either.

I only had 5 years of it, but that was enough. I think we should never have gotten married in the first place. Sometimes we could have a lot of fun, but he was a jealous control freak. I remember times when he'd send me into a shop, and I'd pass a word with the guy behind the counter, and I'd get back in the car to the sound of "what the fuck was he smiling about? My ex wasn't really what you'd call an intellectual, either, so he felt inferior to me, and I'm the first to admit that I'm no one-woman think-tank. I'm in a new relationship now, but the divorce from him was final ...three years ago now. Wow. Time flies.

Oh, and he kind of taught me via poor example that I should expect more from relationships and sex than he was giving me. I suspect that it wouldn't have mattered to him whether I was alive or dead, so long as the corpse was still warm. ;)

I only had 5 years of it, but that was enough. I think we should never have gotten married in the first place. Sometimes we could have a lot of fun, but he was a jealous control freak. I remember times when he'd send me into a shop, and I'd pass a word with the guy behind the counter, and I'd get back in the car to the sound of "what the fuck was he smiling about? My ex wasn't really what you'd call an intellectual, either, so he felt inferior to me, and I'm the first to admit that I'm no one-woman think-tank. I'm in a new relationship now, but the divorce from him was final ...three years ago now. Wow. Time flies.

Oh, and he kind of taught me via poor example that I should expect more from relationships and sex than he was giving me. I suspect that it wouldn't have mattered to him whether I was alive or dead, so long as the corpse was still warm. ;)

Eeep! Well, that last certainly isn't good. Congratulations on your "liberation." :)

I've never been able to either understand or stomach "control freaks." In any relationship, the only thing over which you have any degree of control at all is your own behavior. If you don't like the other person's behavior and don't want to end the relationship, try different behaviors until you find one which will alter the other person's behavior. If you detest the other person's behavior and changing your own sufficiently to alter theirs would be too traumatic, demeaning or otherwise unacceptable, exercise the ultimate behavior and leave. Sounds simple, but many times it's not.

Why is sex so bad?

Maybe you're doing it wrong.