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you know, that makes no sense
the only way you can KNOW that your girl isn't sexually active is to not have sex with her yet keep "checking" her to make sure she hasnt lost her viriginity to someone else. once she is no longer a virgin you have no way of knowing if she is faithful to you or is a dirtly little slut unless you find some way of locking her up so she has no access to other men.

Which brings up an interesting question: if a woman who has sex with multiple partners is a "slut," what is a male who has sex with multiple partners? ( scroll down )






If you thought "lucky," shame on you! There really is no reason for using derogatory terminology for only one sex when both sexes have multiple partners.

And in modern cultures where virginity is highly prized there is usually some kind of availability of hymen replacement surgery - either to replace a hymen damaged in non-sexual activity, or to cover up a previous sexual activity, or even in some cases to create an indication of virginity in those few women who are born without a hymen. Thus there is no reliable way to check for virginity.

not to mention those "dirty little sluts" who only perform oral sex

gee i guess its as impossible to know if your girlfriend is a slut as it is to know that your boyfriend is a slut

its well past the time when we judged people as good or bad based on their sex lives. (not that one can't be immoral with ones sexual behavior) for most people there is only wise or unwise, not good or bad.

not to mention those "dirty little sluts" who only perform oral sex

Hey, if the whole Bill Clinton affair taught us nothing else it taught us...

And then once you are done with those go and read 'We' by Yvegeny Zamyatyin (published 1924), which is the ur-text from which such twentieth century distopian novels take their form (ignoring the fact that they are all based on the story of Adam & Eve in Genesis to some extent or another for the moment).

Haven't read that one before, as a matter of fact, I had completely forgotten about it. Thank you! :)

Haven't read that one before, as a matter of fact, I had completely forgotten about it. Thank you! :)

The second name should actually be 'Zamyatin', not what I wrote above. EM Forster's "When The Machine Stops" (available here -http://plexus.org/forster/index.html) would also be of some relevance, and Ayn Rand's "Anthem" is good for brain-dead entertainment (and absolutely nothing else, IMHO).

The second name should actually be 'Zamyatin', not what I wrote above. EM Forster's "When The Machine Stops" (available here -http://plexus.org/forster/index.html) would also be of some relevance, and Ayn Rand's "Anthem" is good for brain-dead entertainment (and absolutely nothing else, IMHO).

ROFLMAO!! I've read "Anthem," but not the others. It takes a pretty strong constitution to read Ayn Rand. You knew she was an emmigre from Russia, right?

I think the sheer number of posts makes it look like we aren't sexually repressed at all. :p

You knew she was an emmigre from Russia, right?

Yup, female anti-female immigrant anti-immigrant... some of her other more laughable contradictions temporarily escape me...

You do realize that the United States was not founded by Puritans in New England, rather by people looking for gold in Virginia, so somehow I doubt that that is the cause of our sexual repression. Maybe you should atleast know some basic history before posting things.
:headbang:

Much as I hate to be an irritating know-it-all, it was founded by both. Jamestown expedition landed in 1607 in Virginia, Pilgrims landed in 1620 and Puritans landed in 1629, both in Massachusetts. Different motives, different societies. But yes, the Puritans were notoriously intolerant...ironically, Massachusetts was one of the most conservative states in the nation, even in the post-Revolutionary period.

I think the sheer number of posts makes it look like we aren't sexually repressed at all. :p

Ah, but the urge to talk about sex and sexuality is just a sublimation of the drive to actually go and have sex. Check your Freud and check your Foucault.

Yup, female anti-female immigrant anti-immigrant... some of her other more laughable contradictions temporarily escape me...

:D

Ah, but the urge to talk about sex and sexuality is just a sublimation of the drive to actually go and have sex. Check your Freud and check your Foucault.

Foucault is interesting, Freud is just wierd! :)

BTW ... ever read "Foucault's Pendulum?"

Much as I hate to be an irritating know-it-all, it was founded by both. Jamestown expedition landed in 1607 in Virginia, Pilgrims landed in 1620 and Puritans landed in 1629, both in Massachusetts. Different motives, different societies. But yes, the Puritans were notoriously intolerant...ironically, Massachusetts was one of the most conservative states in the nation, even in the post-Revolutionary period.
not to be too schoolmarmish here but it seems a bit limited to think that we were only colonized by england

the spanish settled the southwest and california. the dutch started new york, the french were both in northern US and louisiana. native american tribes were here when the europeans arrived, many thousands "immigrated" from africa. and for the past 229 years we have had people from the entire world join us.

Foucault is interesting, Freud is just wierd! :)

BTW ... ever read "Foucault's Pendulum?"

Yup. You do know it is making reference to a completely different Foucault, don't you? Entertaining read, although I know a lot of people who got put off by the length and the endless diversions through pseudo-history and conspiracy theory, I personally loved it and got through the whole thing over a period of about 36 hours.

Just a thought, but maybe americans are "sexually repressed" because we actually weigh the action with the consequences. Nothing like ending up an nation being brought to its knees by AIDS, like some African countries.

Or, I am just a jerk! Personally, I have no respect whatsoever for anybody, male or female, that sleeps around. Anybody who doesn't care about the other well enough to hop into bed with a different person every night(or week, month, year) does not deserve my respect, because they don't give the other their respect. I believe that sex is a sacred thing, the melding of two bodies, that should be kept between two people. I see sleeping around as cheapening sex, making it a physical thing rather then it also being mental, spiritual thing that it is meant to be. I will gladly wait for the one that I can be with forever, that I can join my body to, and share something exclusive with.

Yup. You do know it is making reference to a completely different Foucault, don't you? Entertaining read, although I know a lot of people who got put off by the length and the endless diversions through pseudo-history and conspiracy theory, I personally loved it and got through the whole thing over a period of about 36 hours.

No, I didn't, but that makes sense. I really enjoyed it too, although I'm not much of a conspiracy fan.

:eek: wow an interesting thred.
I would have to say that the bible never condems sex, I mean God made it why would he be agenst it. but he dus poot peramiters on it in the new testment. But i do it for a difernt reson because when you play russan rulet you are evnchly going to hit a live round and BANG. :eek:

:eek: wow an interesting thred.
I would have to say that the bible never condems sex, I mean God made it why would he be agenst it. but he dus poot peramiters on it in the new testment. But i do it for a difernt reson because when you play russan rulet you are evnchly going to hit a live round and BANG. :eek:

Not if you're out of "bullets!" :D

It's not that Americans are against sex....it's just that (for the most part) we appreciate it a lot more than other countries.

It's not just about physiological reproduction....

If that's your view of sex, then I hope you have plenty of babies to take care of.

Sex is more about love than lust. It's not about religion, it's about personal commitment and respect for the opposite sex. Men shouldn't see women as "baby factories" and women shouldn't see men as "always ready to point and shoot."

In the growing liberal society that is Europe, many things have lost their inner meaning. It's an "anything goes" society that will pretty much endorse anything as long as it feels good in the moment. We're a little more tame in the U.S. and I'm glad that we are.

check it out:
couple jailed for getting it on at the Alamo. :eek:

http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?flok=FF-APO-PLS&idq=/ff/story/0001/20041011/1703688256.htm

just don't try using it as a pick-up line. i can't tell you how many times i got a drink thrown in my face for saying, "hey baby, you realize it would be totally legal for you to take your shirt off?"
Now that you mention it, there was case in Florida two years ago.
The parents of this 16 year old girl sued Girls Gone Wild, for videotaping their daughter exposing herself at the beach. The case made it to federal court.
I would have expected the court to side with the parents. But instead, the federal judge ruled that women as young as 16 have the right to expose themselves in public places.
She also ruled that the reason for this right was that everyone had the right to make their own mistakes to learn from otherwise they wouldn't become responsible adults. Though, I'm not clear on what that has to do with exposing yourself.
Will have to find the case number to read it more thoroughly.
But the relevance being that women, even adolescent females have the Constitutional right to expose themselves in a public place.

Condoms are wrong because the seed is wasted, and the bible says that is wrong to waste seed.

So as long as someone was to say, ingest these seeds, then it will be alright because then they wouldn't be wasted?

Or maybe we screw even more just because we percieve it as being a little bit on the bad side. Guess what? Everyone does it. I don't know hardly anyone who is still a virgin by the age of 16. Say we are repressed if you want, but we get it on like nobody's business. Just because we don't flaunt it like you Europeans, as if talking about getting laid last night is really that cool, you say we are repressed. Guess what? I think you hardly ever get any, and therefore when you do you feel like you have to brag endlessly, put it on TV, shout it out over the radio, and make sure the whole damn world knows. Maybe Americans just know how to keep their damn mouths shut.

"like you Europeans"? What made you think I was European? As for the Europeans I know, they don't talk about their sex lives all the time. It's just part of life, not that big a deal. It's an enjoyable part of life, but that doesn't mean they do the whole "nudge nudge, wink wink" thing.

Why is sex so bad?
My guess is, it's because you're not doing it right.

Won't somebody please think of the children?
That's just sick!!! :)

It is a well documented fact that under Republican government, people have an average of 14.6% less sex.

Two organizations dedicated to kicking out Bush and bringing back promiscuity:

www.votergasm.com (http://www.votergasm.com)

www.fthevote.com (http://www.fthevote.com)

Have you ever been in a nudist environment?
pretty much...i've lived in an apartment with three other people in which all of us were comfortable being seen naked. we didn't deliberately all make sure we were always naked, but we were naked around each other pretty regularly because we all felt that being naked is often more comfortable that wearing clothes. i also grew up in a family where our bodies weren't anything to be ashamed of, and i never saw a bared breast as anything more unusual than a bared elbow or a bared ankle. when i got to junior high and we were expected to change in the lockerrooms i was actually surprised to find out that there were still people who felt like they couldn't be seen naked; i thought that was just something that happened in the olden days, not that real people felt that way today.

no matter how many times i have seen somebody naked, there is something...different...about when it happens in a deliberately sexual context. i have seen my partner nude on hundreds of occasions, but that doesn't mean it thrills me any less when i see him naked in a more sensual situation. it's not about the mere physical features, its about how you look at them, and how the person in question looks back at you. i can't really describe it, and i know i'm not making myself clear...grrr...some things are very hard to articulate.

I have noticed that American culture is strongly sex negative. Of course they won't say it outright, but it is undeniable. If you think American commercials are heavily sexual, you obviously haven't heard about European views on nudity and sex. In fact, the US is probably one of the most sexually repressed first world nations.

Now I know you will deny it by saying "We only disapprove of sex outside of a specific cultural construct," or "But look at all the attractive women not dressed in baggy clothing you see on TV," or "It's not like we shoot people o on the spot for possessing hentai," but the fact remains that America is sexually repressed. Why is sex so bad?

Note: "Because God/Jesus/the Bible said so" is not a good enough answer for me. I am agnostic and it doesn't answer anything for me.

It's only bad if you do it wrong!

My guess is, it's because you're not doing it right.


That's just sick!!! :)


Heh heh. Good stuff.

We don't hate it. It is just that it gets way out of hand. Teens getting pregnent left and right. It is sickening. Then they don't take care of the baby. I'd better shutup before I bring up my opinions on abortion.

Is it me or does John Kerry look like he's knackered everytime I see him. Has he been kept up all night by someone or thing?

You're being factious, of course?
nah, we all know that bottle believes what he(she?) believes and everybody else is wrong
actually, the statement that Eutrusca is referring to is what my people refer to as "a joke." this is a statement intended to be read in a humorous context, not to be taken as factually true, often used to incite mirth in others.

also, if you had ever actually read my posts, then you would know i believe in moral relativism, and therefore it would be impossible for me to think that ANYBODY else is "wrong." i also don't simply hold to my beliefs, i encourage other people to change my mind and present me with evidence that contradicts the evidence i have. some of the best times i have had around here were when someone else convinced me that i didn't have the whole story...i like to learn, and i like to grow my mental world.

but hey, i don't even know who the heck you are. i'm betting you made some factually incorrect statement on another thread and i shot you down, and so you are upset that i corrected your EMPIRICALLY wrong claims. it's okay to be wrong from time to time, it's happened to me plenty, just don't start tossing insults and getting defensive about it. people here are surprisingly forgiving, especially if you can accept defeat or disagreement with grace.

I don't think that the US is, in general, more sexally repressed than Europe. It is certainly less repressed for the most part than the UK or the "Catholic" European nations.


If Janet Jackson had shown one nipple on french, spanish or italian tv in the middle of the national soccer final, the only thing anyone would have said would be "where's the other nipple?" and not many would have said that because there are a hundred nipples like this on tv every day.


The US does have a different range of nudity taboos than many places in europe, but that's mainly the fault of American woman and their narcissism. It doesn't have anything to do with sexuality or repression and the two shouldn't be confused.

Yes, the nipple thing is to do with nudity taboo, but the nudity taboo is to do with sexual repression not women being scared that their nips are ugly.

I think that in the UK and US, kids have sex younger and more often, and they certainly make more babies. Sexual repression doesn't mean that you aren't having sex, it means that you aren't discussing it openly. It means that kids and adults don't talk together about their experiences in a sensible and productive way. Many people argue that this repression leads to promiscuity. It also appears that it leads to pregnancies and STDs.

We don't hate it. It is just that it gets way out of hand. Teens getting pregnent left and right. It is sickening. Then they don't take care of the baby. I'd better shutup before I bring up my opinions on abortion.

Teens get pregnant because parents dont give their kids the talk because they are ashamed and a sexually repressive social environment a/o government dont allow for sex ed that includes methods of contraception. These are not included because they are deemed morally wrong. Compare teen pregnancy statistics of sexually liberal countries like Denmark to those on the opposite end of the scale like the US. You will find that sexual openmindedness is the best way to lower teen pregnancy numbers.

When one of the spice girls fell entirely out of her dress at the Brit awards, it was greeted by people wishing they had taped it!

Oh and bottle, Im not sure where I stand on nudity, but I feel uncomfortable wearing less than a sweatshirt. It just makes me feel ugly/fat and self concious. So maybe some of those people just feel ashamed of the way their bodies look rather than their nudity?

Teens are also generally speaking stupid. Repressed......This could be a factor in the high numbers of teen pregnacy and I understand where you are coming from. Though the fact that teens want to do whatever they want is also a factor and that is stupidity. You can't balme parents for everything you know.

I'm talking about compared to Sweden or Germany.

Compared to germany, the USA citizens are mostly about the same.

I think the only major difference is that germany has a slightly different sensibility about nudity in public compared to the USA and
maybe the fact that we simply can't spent 90 million EURO per year for a program to propagate saving virginity until marriage.

But the normal average US citicens has as much sex as the average german, talks as much about it as an average german, etc....

Hey...maybe germans and US citicens are still just humans?

Teens are also generally speaking stupid. Repressed......This could be a factor in the high numbers of teen pregnacy and I understand where you are coming from. Though the fact that teens want to do whatever they want is also a factor and that is stupidity. You can't balme parents for everything you know.
well i can blame the CC or the American Institute of Judeo CHristian values or whoever they are because teen pregnancy started sky rocketing whena ll tehse crazed fundamentalists decided sex ed was a bad idea and started replacing it with "abstinence ed" basically only teaching kids sex is bad, and thats it, nothing else.

this is from a 1988~ government study that i looked up a while back while looknig for this stuff to put down some guy who had no idea what he was talking about. when abstinence "ed" started replacing sex ed, teen pregnancy started going up.

guess what crazy fundies, ignoring a problem doesnt make it disappear, it exasperates it

www.nationmaster.com (http://www.nationmaster.com)

Teenage pregnancies:
United States 1702.66 births per 1 million people
Germany 351.94 births per 1 million people

Though the fact that teens want to do whatever they want is also a factor and that is stupidity. You can't balme parents for everything you know.

If the parents let their kids be uneducated about a subject that is as important as sex, contraceptives, STDs i can blame them for sure. Of course the kids do what they want, the parents should remember when they were young and hormone-driven, give them a good lecture about how wonderfull condoms are and then let nature runs its course. Because its too late to feel ashamed talking about sex when your son comes home HIV-positive or the daughter with a kid.
Parents cannot leave important issues like this to the school, especially not after Bush made "abstinence only" sex ed high priority.

Have any of you actually lived in the United States? Gone to school there? Just because the media isn't liberal about sexuality doesn't mean the people aren't. Unless you've spent time actually interacting with the locals, (not just visiting LA or HollyWood) you don't actually know what normal people think about an issue. Or how they act in their every day lives. The real culture there isn't what we see from Europe

I believe sex and sexuality is too precious to hide it away.

It is sick. Sex should be deemed a criminal offence :sniper:

actually, the statement that Eutrusca is referring to is what my people refer to as "a joke." this is a statement intended to be read in a humorous context, not to be taken as factually true, often used to incite mirth in others.

also, if you had ever actually read my posts, then you would know i believe in moral relativism, and therefore it would be impossible for me to think that ANYBODY else is "wrong." i also don't simply hold to my beliefs, i encourage other people to change my mind and present me with evidence that contradicts the evidence i have. some of the best times i have had around here were when someone else convinced me that i didn't have the whole story...i like to learn, and i like to grow my mental world.

but hey, i don't even know who the heck you are. i'm betting you made some factually incorrect statement on another thread and i shot you down, and so you are upset that i corrected your EMPIRICALLY wrong claims. it's okay to be wrong from time to time, it's happened to me plenty, just don't start tossing insults and getting defensive about it. people here are surprisingly forgiving, especially if you can accept defeat or disagreement with grace.


nah bottle, I lurked around for awhile before i started posting so i could get a feel for the cast of characters and it was just my inpression of you, i could very well be wrong about it and if over the course of time my feelings change about you then they change.

oh and yep i am sorry, i had you confused with somebody else when i made that post. when somebody comments on my 14 year marriage i can get a little testy

i dunno. if your wife is blaming you for other people's actions (on the tele, no less) then she's probably not a very healthy person to be having a relationship with.

but, on the other hand, you said she has a nice ass. and i think that's pretty much all you need to form the foundation of a solid marriage.


this is your comment that irked me bottle. if you ment it in jest, it just plain wasn't funny

if your wife gets pissed at you when Janet shows her boob then i think you need to get a divorce, ASAP.

oh and this one also, so i guess i take it back, it wasn't somebody else that i was irked at. these ARE NOT funny

It ain't i'm a brit and i can tel u it aint, oooooooooooooo and it aint just america thats really sex repressed, look at muslim countries there u aint even allowed 2 show flesh if u r female, how crap is that?

this is your comment that irked me bottle. if you ment it in jest, it just plain wasn't funny

So do you believe that a nice ass is all that is needed in a strong marriage?

So do you believe that a nice ass is all that is needed in a strong marriage?

no, i said it was more important than seeing a boob on tv

after 14 years i think i have a pretty good idea what it takes to have a good marriage

good day sir

It ain't i'm a brit and i can tel u it aint, oooooooooooooo and it aint just america thats really sex repressed, look at muslim countries there u aint even allowed 2 show flesh if u r female, how crap is that?

And whats really impressive....they have more children per family than USA and germany together. ;)

Maybe they do have sex...

no, i said it was more important than seeing a boob on tv

after 14 years i think i have a pretty good idea what it takes to have a good marriage

good day sir

True...but having both would be much better ;)

after 14 years i think i have a pretty good idea what it takes to have a good marriage

In which case you should also have developed the requisite social skills to recognise a joke when one is made.

In which case you should also have developed the requisite social skills to recognise a joke when one is made.

but jokes should be funny, those were not. maybe some should have the social skills not to make jokes about others marriages.

I don't think that the US is, in general, more sexally repressed than Europe. It is certainly less repressed for the most part than the UK or the "Catholic" European nations.

The US does have a different range of nudity taboos than many places in europe, but that's mainly the fault of American woman and their narcissism. It doesn't have anything to do with sexuality or repression and the two shouldn't be confused.
Um, the UK has full nudity in its television commercials
Also, Queen once organized a topless Bicycle race to promote their song "Bicycle"
How is the UK more repressed than us?

Compare: U.S. birthrates versus France, Spain, Germany, Ireland, all of Europe, etc. Rinse, repeat. ;)

We're not dying off at half their rate. I think we just keep it indoors. :p


Eh, dont confuse sex with procreation, one has very little to do with the other. US birthrates is mainly due to undereducation, and in no way does it suggest that Americans have more sex than Europeans. In fact, all statistics show that the differences are negligeble. But how much sex we have was not the topic here. The fact remains that the US is way less sexually liberated than Europe.
And frankly, I am not very interrested in the causes of this, what I want to know is what WE can do to HELP Americans see the truth. And not only when it comes to sex =)

Um, the UK has full nudity in its television commercials
Also, Queen once organized a topless Bicycle race to promote their song "Bicycle"
How is the UK more repressed than us?

Nudity != Sex



...and I think the song you are refering to is actually called "Bicycle Race".

Eh, dont confuse sex with procreation, one has very little to do with the other. US birthrates is mainly due to undereducation, and in no way does it suggest that Americans have more sex than Europeans. In fact, all statistics show that the differences are negligeble. But how much sex we have was not the topic here. The fact remains that the US is way less sexually liberated than Europe.
And frankly, I am not very interrested in the causes of this, what I want to know is what WE can do to HELP Americans see the truth. And not only when it comes to sex =)

we like things the way they are, thank you. we don't need anybody else to "enlighten" us about sex. we just choose not to shove nudity down the throat of those who wish not to see it.

we just choose not to shove nudity down the throat of those who wish not to see it.

Is it appropriate here if I make a joke about whether Americans' eyes are physically capable of seeing things which have been rammed down their throats?

I have noticed that American culture is strongly sex negative. Of course they won't say it outright, but it is undeniable. If you think American commercials are heavily sexual, you obviously haven't heard about European views on nudity and sex. In fact, the US is probably one of the most sexually repressed first world nations.

Now I know you will deny it by saying "We only disapprove of sex outside of a specific cultural construct," or "But look at all the attractive women not dressed in baggy clothing you see on TV," or "It's not like we shoot people o on the spot for possessing hentai," but the fact remains that America is sexually repressed. Why is sex so bad?

Note: "Because God/Jesus/the Bible said so" is not a good enough answer for me. I am agnostic and it doesn't answer anything for me.

Which also begs the question why the US porn industry is so big? :p

Is it appropriate here if I make a joke about whether Americans' eyes are physically capable of seeing things which have been rammed down their throats?

that one made me laugh. you can make jokes about americans, I would just leave families out of the relm of jokehood.

but jokes should be funny, those were not. maybe some should have the social skills not to make jokes about others marriages.
Or, just maybe, people should stop feeling the need to take some things so seriously that they need to find offense in things. My own relationship may not rival yours for duration, but I still found the commentary damned funny.

Or, just maybe, people should stop feeling the need to take some things so seriously that they need to find offense in things. My own relationship may not rival yours for duration, but I still found the commentary damned funny.
maybe, but it wasn't your marriage that was the target of the joke.

we have survived my wifes kidney disease and her cancer. we have stuck it out through my nervous breakdown and i don't take kindly to a good marriage being the butt(pun intended) of a bad joke. now had it been a good joke i may have said it was funny but crossed the line.

The reason why sex is considered so "bad" can be summed up in one word: misogyny. Perhaps not woman-hating on a personal level, but definitely the a tendancy to repress women on a societal level.

Consider the facts.

Women have had to fight court cases in order to win the right to be topless in public (in the few cities where that is allowed). This is a non-sexual display of the human body which is frowned upon in the U.S. Yet in main stream movies where sex is shown, it is the female body which is shown fully nude, with male frontal shots being almost completely absent. So when sexual objectification comes into play it is suddenly much more acceptable to show women than men.

Sex being considered "bad" reduces the amount of actual education and honest discourse. So much of what children/teens pick up about sex comes from the media, which objectifies women. Far from keeping sex sacred, the repression relegates the teaching about sex to a media which cheapens it. At the same time, this lack of education keeps measures which would promote safer, healthy sexuality such a masturbation and birth control from being taught. The least effective type of sex education is abstinence education. It has been shown time and time again that not only does it not prevent sex from occuring amongst teens, but also, when sex does occur, appropriate birth control measures will not be used. While both genders suffer from the consequenced of unprotected sex, females suffer more. Unwanted pregnancies have a far greater chance of negatively affecting a girl's self-esteem, educational goals, and (because of both of these factors) life-term career goals and earning potential.

All of this hurts not only individual women but leads to the deterioration of women's status as a whole.

Compare the percentage of women in high political office in the United States with that in less sexually repressed Western nations. Compare the percentages of women in prestigious professions. Compare the amounts of social and econimic equity. Women fare better in less sexually repressive nations.

The reason why sex is considered so "bad" can be summed up in one word: misogyny. Perhaps not woman-hating on a personal level, but definitely the a tendancy to repress women on a societal level.

And the relevance/explicatory power of this theory when we look at male homosexual activity is what exactly?

Which also begs the question why the US porn industry is so big? :p

Actually, american sexual repression *answers* the question why the US porn industry is so big. Less sexually repressed people would be out having sex rather than sitting in their living rooms alone watching other people have sex.

And the relevance/explicatory power of this theory when we look at male homosexual activity is what exactly?

Well, the reason that men are homosexual is their sublimated sexual attraction to their overbearing mothers. :)

And the relevance/explicatory power of this theory when we look at male homosexual activity is what exactly?


1)Male homosexuality has nothing to do with hating females on a personal level and everything to do with loving males in a romantic way.

2)Male homosexuals (or homosexuals in general) make up a very small minority of the population. Which means they are not the defining factor of most major socio-political trends.

Why is sex so bad? Simple, most people aren't very good at it. LOL

:headbang: :p I have noticed that American culture is strongly sex negative. Of course they won't say it outright, but it is undeniable. If you think American commercials are heavily sexual, you obviously haven't heard about European views on nudity and sex. In fact, the US is probably one of the most sexually repressed first world nations.

Now I know you will deny it by saying "We only disapprove of sex outside of a specific cultural construct," or "But look at all the attractive women not dressed in baggy clothing you see on TV," or "It's not like we shoot people o on the spot for possessing hentai," but the fact remains that America is sexually repressed. Why is sex so bad?

Note: "Because God/Jesus/the Bible said so" is not a good enough answer for me. I am agnostic and it doesn't answer anything for me.

Just a thought, but maybe americans are "sexually repressed" because we actually weigh the action with the consequences. Nothing like ending up an nation being brought to its knees by AIDS, like some African countries.

Or, I am just a jerk! Personally, I have no respect whatsoever for anybody, male or female, that sleeps around. Anybody who doesn't care about the other well enough to hop into bed with a different person every night(or week, month, year) does not deserve my respect, because they don't give the other their respect. I believe that sex is a sacred thing, the melding of two bodies, that should be kept between two people. I see sleeping around as cheapening sex, making it a physical thing rather then it also being mental, spiritual thing that it is meant to be. I will gladly wait for the one that I can be with forever, that I can join my body to, and share something exclusive with.

I have pondered this for a while. My conclusion is that you are indeed "just a jerk!"
The US has four times more HIV-infected people than Denmark, one of the most sexually liberated countries along with Sweden and the Netherlands, which by the way have equally low numbers. Comparing the AIDS ratio of the US with thirdworld nations with nearly no sexual education (and generally low education standards) and very limited availability of condoms is not making the US better, only you more stupid.
On the other hand, you know what they say to people who talk about subjects they are completely unfamiliar with? Shut up.
I just hope you marry a virgin one day and have a completely unsatisfying sex live which is highly mental and spiritual. :rolleyes:

Why is sex so bad? Simple, most people aren't very good at it. LOL

Practice makes perfect Tybonia :)
If "chatolic beliefs" based on guilt. Maybe that is the ansver why is sex "Bad"?

luckily im not chatolic - neither american...
Do not forget fact that in '60 movement - "make love! not war" stated in USA.

peace :)

Have any of you actually lived in the United States? Gone to school there? Just because the media isn't liberal about sexuality doesn't mean the people aren't. Unless you've spent time actually interacting with the locals, (not just visiting LA or HollyWood) you don't actually know what normal people think about an issue. Or how they act in their every day lives. The real culture there isn't what we see from Europe
I live in the US. Americans are basically polygamous in their relationships, though they won't admit it.
You have heard it said that if you have more than one wife you are a polygamist and a bigot.
But I say if you if have more than one girlfriend, you are a polygamist and a slut.
If you like them so much, then you ought to marry them. All of them. Or forever bear the label of being a slut.

I myself have standards. I'm not going to try and hook up with every girl I see on the street. There are many men out there who will. I am not one of them. Its not my fault those guys ain't got any personal values.
I find it sick and disgusting that guys try to get with other guys' girlfriends or wives. And for you people that are doing that, I think you are absolutely sick.
You have no earthly idea what they've been doing or where they've had their mouths, yet you tongue kiss them and do more explicit things with them. Absolutely disgusting.
If a girl breaks up with her boyfriend, you ought to have the personal courtesy and moral standard to at least wait 2 months before trying to hook up with her. And when you do, it better not be for just one night sex stand. Otherwise, you will definitely be proving yourself to be a slut with absolutely no moral values.
Find the best of the crop, and stick with her. This is the sign of a man with moral virtues and convictions.
Women prefer men who are faithful and who will do everything it takes to make them happy and keep them happy. The key to a successful relationship is think of it as the point of men is to make women happy and the point of women is to make men happy. And each member of the relationship ought to do whatever he or she can to make and keep the other happy. But do not, I repeat, do not, compromise your personal moral values.
And you men, as much as we like it women give us head jobs, the fact is that out of every 100 women, only 3 like to give blowjobs. You might want to consider that next time you are about shove it in her face.
The other thing, about kissing. Most women don't like tongue action. It makes you come off as way to aggressive, obnoxious, and turns many women off. When you kiss her, you need to be playful about it. Many women like being kissed on the neck or behind the ear. You just have to find their favorite spot, that's why kissing is supposed to be exploratory in nature.
And on pornography, this may surprise you, but more women watch it than do men.
If a girl says she has boyfriend, take it face value and move on. There are over 3 billion women in the world, the vast majority of them are available.
Most important way to a woman's heart is, however, the little things you do for them. That is how you get them. Not by being a great lover, kisser and giving her a lot presents, or constantly following her around or begging her to go out with you. But rather the little things. Like when you get her a hallmark card just for the hell of it. Believe me, Hallmark cards speak volumes louder about your devotion than even flowers do. But flowers help too, as long as you don't overdo them. I recommend no more than 3 times a year for flowers.

Wow, and here comes the expert on how to treat women. :rolleyes:
You may not have noticed, but women are as much individuals as men. There is no way that your broad generalizations should be thought of as advice. And that is even ignoring that you are a totally backward asshole that is patronizing and overbearing towards women. Let the females speak for themselves instead of assuming a load of bullshit to them.

Maybe it cause they don't really know what they want. So men have to think for them.

check it out:
couple jailed for getting it on at the Alamo. :eek:

http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?flok=FF-APO-PLS&idq=/ff/story/0001/20041011/1703688256.htm
I love this bit in the article:
The report said Kristine Nissel, 18, and Matthew Hotard, 19, were partially clad when the officer apprehended them after several tourists watched the couple and became upset
Several tourists watched the couple and became upset?!!
Certainly has the mind working as to what the tourists were doing! How long were they watching before they got 'upset'? :p

So as long as someone was to say, ingest these seeds, then it will be alright because then they wouldn't be wasted?
That reminds me of an ex-girlfriend telling me about a boy she dated ahen they were teenagers. He was brought up a strict Christian, so believed the idea of not wasting your 'seed'. Anyway, one day they're in bed fooling around, and whoops! He goes off! Guess what he does? Yep - quickly slides down and licks it all up off the bed sheets. Apparently, this way it wasn't 'wasted', thus stopping him from ending up in Hell. :rolleyes:
Amazing what a person'll end up doing to convince themselves that they're still following the 'word of God'.

I love this bit in the article:

Several tourists watched the couple and became upset?!!
Certainly has the mind working as to what the tourists were doing! How long were they watching before they got 'upset'? :p


That reminds me of an ex-girlfriend telling me about a boy she dated ahen they were teenagers. He was brought up a strict Christian, so believed the idea of not wasting your 'seed'. Anyway, one day they're in bed fooling around, and whoops! He goes off! Guess what he does? Yep - quickly slides down and licks it all up off the bed sheets. Apparently, this way it wasn't 'wasted', thus stopping him from ending up in Hell. :rolleyes:
Amazing what a person'll end up doing to convince themselves that they're still following the 'word of God'.

He must have really liked himself. :)

Here's something to ponder, something that not many people think of.

This thread is entitled "why is sex so bad?" From what I've seen of the thread, no one's been able to come up w/ a satisfactory answer. But how about you others tell me why sex is "good"? (And you know what I mean, don't be crude about it).

I personally have so far been successful in repressing myself sexually as much as possible. I'm one of the holdouts of anti-sex in the American youth population. I don't care what others do; but I won't. Not even in marriage. My purpose? I want to prove to myself that human beings are not just chemical reactions, that there is something besides the body. I cannot deprive myself of food or drink or sleep without dying; but to deprive my body of sex is a kind of asceticism which will not kill me. You could say that I'm not abstaining because I believe, but because I want to believe. If I succeed, then I am vindicated, and there is more to the world than the physical. If I fail, then I become an atheist.

Now, who's gonna tell me I'm wrong? :)

Sex is part of God's good creation. It's meant to be exciting, inspiring, comforting, and indescribably wonderful.

There's a couple in my church who have been m,arried for 65 years. Every Sunday morning, he puts his hand on her thigh and she blushes. They're so darned cute!

That's why sex is good.

Sex is part of God's good creation. It's meant to be exciting, inspiring, comforting, and indescribably wonderful.


See, this is what I'm on about. Why is that which feels good necessarily good?

Why is sex so bad?

Note: "Because God/Jesus/the Bible said so" is not a good enough answer for me. I am agnostic and it doesn't answer anything for me.
Letila,
You may not like that answer, but (sadly for us pagans) my countries' founding fathers where of a strong Christian background and that colored everything. That has influenced all of our laws and cultural mores.

If you can control a people's sexuallity, you have a very powerfull hold on those people.

My 2¢

Letila,
You may not like that answer, but (sadly for us pagans) my countries' founding fathers where of a strong Christian background and that colored everything. That has influenced all of our laws and cultural mores.

If you can control a people's sexuallity, you have a very powerfull hold on those people.

My 2¢
Not all of the founders were strong christians. You have to understand the whole background, not just the tree in the lower left corner, to be able appreciate the whole painting.
Not everything the founders stood for was based on christianity. You must remember that Christianity was against free speech, free press, and free religion at that point in time. Christians of those days would consider christians of our days to be pagan heretics.

I personally have so far been successful in repressing myself sexually as much as possible. I'm one of the holdouts of anti-sex in the American youth population. I don't care what others do; but I won't. Not even in marriage. My purpose? I want to prove to myself that human beings are not just chemical reactions, that there is something besides the body. I cannot deprive myself of food or drink or sleep without dying; but to deprive my body of sex is a kind of asceticism which will not kill me. You could say that I'm not abstaining because I believe, but because I want to believe. If I succeed, then I am vindicated, and there is more to the world than the physical. If I fail, then I become an atheist.

Now, who's gonna tell me I'm wrong? :)
Man, you have far too much time on your hands, coming up with crazy shit like this. You really need to get laid. ;)
The downside to your experiment is that what if you finally 'cave in' and try it, and find out it's really very good for you and is lots of fun. You'll feel plenty rotten about having denied yourself for all those years.

Man, you have far too much time on your hands, coming up with crazy shit like this. You really need to get laid. ;)
The downside to your experiment is that what if you finally 'cave in' and try it, and find out it's really very good for you and is lots of fun. You'll feel plenty rotten about having denied yourself for all those years.

**shrugs** I'm straight edge, which means no sport fucking. I manage just fine :p

**coughs** of course, I'm not saying that I'll NEVER have sex...that has much less to do with being straight edge, and much more to do with a low self esteem :p

I personally have so far been successful in repressing myself sexually as much as possible. I'm one of the holdouts of anti-sex in the American youth population. I don't care what others do; but I won't. Not even in marriage. My purpose? I want to prove to myself that human beings are not just chemical reactions, that there is something besides the body. I cannot deprive myself of food or drink or sleep without dying; but to deprive my body of sex is a kind of asceticism which will not kill me. You could say that I'm not abstaining because I believe, but because I want to believe. If I succeed, then I am vindicated, and there is more to the world than the physical. If I fail, then I become an atheist.

Now, who's gonna tell me I'm wrong? :)

Well...first of all, not having regularily sex (or going to bed "con manuela", and other nicer expressions for wasting precious proteins) increases the chances for prostata cancer and also, for longer times, plain impotence when you really don't need it ;)

Why Sex? For me its one way to express my love to my girlfriend. Its not the only way to do so, but a very nice one. Of course US citicens are renowned for finding alternatives to sex, which resulted in a herpes infection (on not so lucky parts of the body) increase in Highschools. But i don't think that doing so is really "not having Sex" - its just a like nicotine patch for lovers.

of course i have to take risks like STDs or "unplanned, but wanted" children... but, STDs can get avoided by having only one partner for sex for a long time - and knowing this person better before starting having sex ;)

And children...well, i am 26 - its never the right time for children until you have one, if you ask me...(but don't translate this text my girlfriend ;) )

And about being better than something else: No...i don't want to defeat my body. My soul has as much desires as my body and i think i live better when i bring both together. Ignoring a desire of my body for fulfilling a desire for my soul is not really futile. But of course sometimes there can be a comprimise... ;)

of course i cannot force somebody to have a fulfilled sexual life. But i can at least think i have one ;)

Um, the UK has full nudity in its television commercials
Also, Queen once organized a topless Bicycle race to promote their song "Bicycle"
How is the UK more repressed than us?
ignore him, hes probably took a trip to california once or some other place governed by the "evil" :rolleyes: liberals where people are freer than everywhere else in the US and has no idea wtf hes babbling about

Here's something to ponder, something that not many people think of.

This thread is entitled "why is sex so bad?" From what I've seen of the thread, no one's been able to come up w/ a satisfactory answer. But how about you others tell me why sex is "good"? (And you know what I mean, don't be crude about it).

I personally have so far been successful in repressing myself sexually as much as possible. I'm one of the holdouts of anti-sex in the American youth population. I don't care what others do; but I won't. Not even in marriage. My purpose? I want to prove to myself that human beings are not just chemical reactions, that there is something besides the body. I cannot deprive myself of food or drink or sleep without dying; but to deprive my body of sex is a kind of asceticism which will not kill me. You could say that I'm not abstaining because I believe, but because I want to believe. If I succeed, then I am vindicated, and there is more to the world than the physical. If I fail, then I become an atheist.

Now, who's gonna tell me I'm wrong? :)

I will. First of all, the idea that God would give you a faculty that you can use to enjoy yourself and others, only then to expect you never to use it is an absurdity. There are plenty of theologians out there who've argued that on the Day of Reckoning, it's the people who closeted themselves off from God's works who will suffer His wrath the most.

Secondly, from a more secular point of view, you are treating yourself as a means to an end: you are trying to subordinate yourself to some kind of goofy higher perogative, when in fact, you and every other rational being are and should be treated as the end in and of yourselves. Any action that asks you to subordinate yourself to some higher end that doesn't involve improving your or others ability to use reason or for treating others as ends in and of themselves is morally incorrect. In short, by denying yourself any kind of love or any kind of physical relationship in the name of some goofy higher principle, you are only proving your own irrationality and shirking your duty to the rest of mankind.

Nobody came up with a satisfactory answer? Then why did i go to all that effort to write this?

Sex is addictive and distracting, it can be used to exploit and cheat people and can desanctify the concept of human relationships. Sex should in humans be something shared only with a life-partner, this has been proven in science to be the natural way of human functioning, stemming from a basic pack hunting society: we are not like our polygamic ancestors who lived in hierarchical societies where sexual promiscuity was fine as long as only the dominant male got rights to reproduce. In fact, our basic social structure is best compared to that of wolves, although in modern society this is largely masked.

Sex as a primary pursuit blinds judgement and efficiacy, acellerates the spread of disease, breeds hatred and strong dislike of other humans (especially those who reject,) prolongs drug dependancies, develops addiction to sex itselfs, and breeds false association of certain traits to the concept of being loved. It also can cause psychological disorders (especially if the sex is obtained via prostitution,) and can cause people to go to extreme ends to get at it, including rape (women, look into vaginal weapons, yes, they exist,) theft, and murder. Sexual urges need to be controlled willingly, and that takes a culture that educates people not to venture unwisely into sex.

Sex as a venture taken for granted yields greater dependancies on sex and impairs the ability of the sufferer to properly mature mentally and lead normal lives. It will also cause them to value permanent relations less as they will most likely only wish for their first (or at the very least one of their earlier) partners, and will suffer withdrawal symptoms as well, which for obvious reasons are not overly desirable since hunting and obtaining sexual gratification without a permanent partner will in the worst case interefere with career or education concerns.

The most annoying thing about sex addictions is that just like any other addict, those that suffer deny this and encourage others to join them... fortunately some times its possible to see all the worst outcomes before falling prey to them yourself.

okay, time for a female to sort out some of the horrible advice being disseminated...

If a girl breaks up with her boyfriend, you ought to have the personal courtesy and moral standard to at least wait 2 months before trying to hook up with her. And when you do, it better not be for just one night sex stand. Otherwise, you will definitely be proving yourself to be a slut with absolutely no moral values.

100% wrong. females are able to make their own choices, and if you think a girl is attractive enough to make a go for her then the best thing you can do is let her know right away. it's probably in poor taste to tell her the same day she gets dumped, and you probably won't have much chance with her if you rush things right after she comes out of a relationship, but this 2 months crap is total...well, crap. every girl is different; some will need a year to get over a boyfriend, but others need about a half hour. setting an arbitrary 2 month mark is stupid.

also, if she's interested in a one-night stand then there's absolutely nothing wrong with it. if both parties are consenting, and you are respectful of each other (i.e. use protection for both your sakes), then there's nothing wrong with it. sometimes you might not even intend for it to be a one-nighter, but the next morning you will realize that once the physical attraction is satisfied there's nothing much left behind it. when that happens, forcing yourself to date in order to work off some sort of sexual guilt complex is both irresponsible and dishonorable. if all you want is one night then tell her so, and if she's game then you can both have fun. there is nothing wrong or slutty about that.


Find the best of the crop, and stick with her. This is the sign of a man with moral virtues and convictions.

finding the best of the crop will entail meeting and getting to know multiple women. a man with moral virtues and convictions will treat any woman in his life with respect and honesty, and this extends to breaking up with a girl if it turns out she's not right for you. even the best of the crop might not be a perfect match for you, and there's no shame in admitting that. sometimes two perfectly wonderful people will realize that they simply don't mesh, though it is nobody's fault, and sticking with it won't do either one a lick of good.


Women prefer men who are faithful and who will do everything it takes to make them happy and keep them happy. The key to a successful relationship is think of it as the point of men is to make women happy and the point of women is to make men happy. And each member of the relationship ought to do whatever he or she can to make and keep the other happy. But do not, I repeat, do not, compromise your personal moral values.

now THIS i can totally agree with.


And you men, as much as we like it women give us head jobs, the fact is that out of every 100 women, only 3 like to give blowjobs. You might want to consider that next time you are about shove it in her face.

wrong. most women don't have much of a problem with the actual act of oral sex, but they HATE the attitudes men have about it. if you act like she owes it to you, or you expect it to be some sort of quid-pro-quo for the dinner you paid for, then she's never going to enjoy herself with it. if you are willing to give as much as you receive, and if you make it an intimate and mutually pleasurable act, then she will probably find it pleasurable to know that she can make you feel good.

one of the biggest problems is that males basically tell females that females don't like giving head. this makes a female feel like she is slutty or dirty if she actually does enjoy it. instead of telling women what they like, try ASKING THEM, and making oral sex something that you share together rather than something you assume she will view as bad or dirty.


The other thing, about kissing. Most women don't like tongue action. It makes you come off as way to aggressive, obnoxious, and turns many women off. When you kiss her, you need to be playful about it. Many women like being kissed on the neck or behind the ear. You just have to find their favorite spot, that's why kissing is supposed to be exploratory in nature.

some women might like what you described, but others won't. (i, personally, would find your sort of "playful" kissing insipid and annoying.) there isn't one right way to kiss a woman, any more than there is one right way to kiss a man. if you think you have "moves" or know the secret to kissing women then that will automatically make you a worse lover than a man who is prepared to see his partner as an individual. instead of expecting your pre-programmed set of moves to work, try actually paying attention to the woman you are with. the general rule is that you should forget everything you learned from any past partner(s), because it will usually get in the way.


And on pornography, this may surprise you, but more women watch it than do men.

incorrect. males, by far, watch more pornography than females, and it's not even close to a tie. however, scientific studies show that females are just as aroused by "standard" pornography as males are, though they may not consciously be aware of it; their bodies become aroused just as men do, but women will generally REPORT that they weren't aroused...this is because there are still stigmas against women who like sex or like pornography, so most women still don't admit their arousal even to themselves. if you are interested in watching pornography with your female partner then the best way to start is "soft core" material in which there is only suggested sex; you can gauge her reaction and ask if she would like to ramp things up a bit.

but also, remember: not everybody likes porn. some girls (and some guys) will never be comfortable with pornography, and won't enjoy it, so don't force the issue.


If a girl says she has boyfriend, take it face value and move on. There are over 3 billion women in the world, the vast majority of them are available.

this i can agree with. lots of women will say they have a boyfriend when they actually do not, because they want to appear more sought after...ignore these women. they are being manipulative, and you don't want to get involved with a dishonest or manipulative person.


Most important way to a woman's heart is, however, the little things you do for them. That is how you get them. Not by being a great lover, kisser and giving her a lot presents, or constantly following her around or begging her to go out with you. But rather the little things. Like when you get her a hallmark card just for the hell of it. Believe me, Hallmark cards speak volumes louder about your devotion than even flowers do.


again, too formulaic. don't buy mass-produced cards expressing boring and over-used sentiments. find out things about your girlfriend that are uniquely HER, and use those things to show her how you care. find out what bands she likes, and make a mix CD. find out which magazines she reads and pick one up for her for no particular reason. instead of getting movie tickets to whatever romantic comedy happens to be showing, find out about performers or bands that she likes and try to get tickets to those. show her that you are paying attention to HER, instead of just using your "how to make some girl happy" formula.


But flowers help too, as long as you don't overdo them. I recommend no more than 3 times a year for flowers.
for the last time, stop being so formulaic. every relationship will be different, and trying to say that flowers thrice a year is the limit is a ridiculous generalization. my father and mother give each other flowers far more often than that, and they have been married almost three decades. find out if your girlfriend even LIKES flowers, first, and if she does then give them to her whenever the hell you feel like it. she won't ever get tired of knowing you care. it won't ever get less special unless the feelings between you are dying out anyway, and if the feelings are dying then you've got bigger things to worry about than floral arrangements.

Anyone here familiar with "spontaneous orgasm?" This is one of the things for which I most envy women: the ability to have as many orgasms as they can stand. Kegel exercises are great for developing this ability to its full potential. And most women can reach the point where they can have an orgasm anytime they like. The implications for sexual variety stagger the imgination!

Anyone here familiar with "spontaneous orgasm?" This is one of the things for which I most envy women: the ability to have as many orgasms as they can stand. Kegel exercises are great for developing this ability to its full potential. And most women can reach the point where they can have an orgasm anytime they like. The implications for sexual variety stagger the imgination!
which makes it even more depressing when you learn that only about 45% of American women who have had sex report ever having an orgasm with a partner, and fully 25% of sexually active American women report that they have NEVER had an orgasm at all.

which makes it even more depressing when you learn that only about 45% of American women who have had sex report ever having an orgasm with a partner, and fully 25% of sexually active American women report that they have NEVER had an orgasm at all.

That could be totally depressing except for one fact: a man who has understanding and patience can teach almost ANY woman how to make use of this fantastic gift. And just imagine how much fun he can have as an instructor! :D

which makes it even more depressing when you learn that only about 45% of American women who have had sex report ever having an orgasm with a partner, and fully 25% of sexually active American women report that they have NEVER had an orgasm at all.
Which is why we should all go out on a great crusade to fix that problem. Who’s with me?

Which is why we should all go out on a great crusade to fix that problem. Who’s with me?

Where do I sign up????

I personally have so far been successful in repressing myself sexually as much as possible. I'm one of the holdouts of anti-sex in the American youth population. I don't care what others do; but I won't. Not even in marriage. My purpose? I want to prove to myself that human beings are not just chemical reactions, that there is something besides the body. I cannot deprive myself of food or drink or sleep without dying; but to deprive my body of sex is a kind of asceticism which will not kill me. You could say that I'm not abstaining because I believe, but because I want to believe. If I succeed, then I am vindicated, and there is more to the world than the physical. If I fail, then I become an atheist.

There are better ways of proving that without denying yourself pleasure. Try reading up on arguments against material monism, for one.

talkin' from my point of view, we have all thinked about, desired AND bringed up fantasies WITH sex, and we have already (or will certainly) made it with somebody else.And we can do it with everyone we can

Of course explotation of it it's bad, but haven't we the right to explore that world? (without overpassing the limit)

I agree that the ones "sexually repressed" were those who put sluts on "ciculation", and many countries have taken the example, but it has to be for some reason......

I can't force anyone to have it (not even to me),u have to watch for aids or for other of those million genital "sicknes".......

I can tell u, check your girlfriend/boyfriend before ANYTHING!!!!! or you will end up like this: :( :confused: :headbang: .

i just wnt you to be more calmed for it, but don' stop totally.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/10/12/scotus.roundup.ap.ap/index.html

Their decision will determine whether Judge Moore was right.

Where do I sign up????
You just did. All you need to do now is be examined by the nurse and take your SE exam.

You just did. All you need to do now is be examined by the nurse and take your SE exam.
Imagine if SE exams were more . . . hands-on; that would be rather funny (up to the point where you get paired with somebody you *hate*)

http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/10/12/scotus.roundup.ap.ap/index.html

Their decision will determine whether Judge Moore was right.
judge roy moore is a religious wacko. period. case closed.

You people think too much. :p

You just did. All you need to do now is be examined by the nurse and take your SE exam.

LOL! And this nurse ... will she know for what I'm being examined? And "SE" means specifically what?

LOL! And this nurse ... will she know for what I'm being examined?

Are all nurses female in your country?

Are all nurses female in your country?
yes

LOL! And this nurse ... will she know for what I'm being examined? And "SE" means specifically what?
SE stands for Sexual Endurance but it is much more than that. It will also test for style and award points for technique and your overall ability to give pleasure. And of course the nurse knows why you're being examined. ;)

I want my kids to grow up w/o that type of stuff, but as they became preteens I'd gradually break them into reality - I would not keep them in the dark like so many other people do.



i wouldn't, i want my children to know everything and they'll be allowed to watch porn but just be forbidden to talk about it at school or w/ other children. i want them to know everything about everything so they know sex isn't something "to be ready for and when ur ready THEN do it" to me thats like wtf what are the qualifications for being "ready" its just a natural impulse just be sure to get tested b-4 u do it w/ anyone and have birth control pills or condoms then screw and suck away!

p.s: lost my virginity at 3 by accident after seeing porn w/ a girl my grandma used to babysit so maybe thats why ?

SE stands for Sexual Endurance but it is much more than that. It will also test for style and award points for technique and your overall ability to give pleasure. And of course the nurse knows why you're being examined. ;)

LOL! Never had a problem with that, but I have a mountain of unsolicited testimonials you're welcoem to review. Um ... do I get to pick who my partner is for this SE test???

That could be totally depressing except for one fact: a man who has understanding and patience can teach almost ANY woman how to make use of this fantastic gift. And just imagine how much fun he can have as an instructor! :D
no objections here, though i would suggest you add other women to that crusade...i know i do my part to help spread the good, um, word. ;)

no objections here, though i would suggest you add other women to that crusade...i know i do my part to help spread the good, um, word. ;)

ROFL! KEWL! Personally, I think the "crusade" should be for, about and by women. Yes? :)

Not if you're out of "bullets!" :D

well thats like having sex with out the equpment its just not real :D

ROFL! KEWL! Personally, I think the "crusade" should be for, about and by women. Yes? :)

It is for we the sexually experienced to be dedicated to the great task before us, that sexual happiness of the women, by the women, and for the woman, shall not perish from the Earth.

never let it be said that there's no sexual context to be derived from the Gettysburg address.

well thats like having sex with out the equpment its just not real :D

Like living dangerously, do ya? LOL!

It is for we the sexually experienced to be dedicated to the great task before us, that sexual happiness of the women, by the women, and for the woman, shall not perish from the Earth.

never let it be said that there's no sexual context to be derived from the Gettysburg address.

Hahahahahaha! You're a trip! :D

Compare: U.S. birthrates versus France, Spain, Germany, Ireland, all of Europe, etc. Rinse, repeat. ;)

We're not dying off at half their rate. I think we just keep it indoors. :pYeah baby...yeah we like to Shag-a-lot...
*singing sex is what we love...sex is what we want...sex is what we like...megusta el hump...megusta mucho...dame-dame-dame...papi-papi-papichulo...pelo-pelo-pelo...*

wait a minute...actually thats the damn Mexicans...those son-of-a-biches are pimping :fluffle: all over the place...all day n nite...they are driving our scores up...

Sex is the best thing ever!!!

But now we have the technology to stop pregnancy, so its only a matter of educating people on how to use it.

How much of your education do you remember when you're stumbling drunk in club at 6 AM?

Historically, America is sexually repressed, and it continues to be today, albiet to a less notable extent. Less notable, that is unless you break one of the norms, then just watch the moral indignation of general populace, especially if your a woman.
Now on to the question of why. I agree its partially because of the puritans who settled here, but thats not the entire story. The other part is that societal institutions keep ramming this hogwash down society's collective throat. Witness the abstience only sex education initiative that certian politicians [cough cough Mr. Bush] want to mandate for public schools. What does such a stance tell our children. The latent message of course is that sex is "dirty," "shameful" etc. And that's why America is so sexually repressed as a whole, because we "elect" conservative nut jobs like Mr. Bush.

How much of your education do you remember when you're stumbling drunk in club at 6 AM?
apparently alot more when you are taught proper sex ed than when taught "abstinence ed"

The answer is simple.. woman arn't public property.. they have rights.. and they get married to people :s change that.. and this whole issue is fixed in 2 generations..

gd idea huh :D

Now on to the question of why. I agree its partially because of the puritans who settled here, but thats not the entire story.

I'll just ask again in response to this tracing back of sexual repression in the US to the Puritan heritage: why has their distaste for sexuality endured, but not their distaste for material luxuries?

apparently alot more when you are taught proper sex ed than when taught "abstinence ed"

"abstinance ed"? Does such a thing exist? :eek:

"abstinance ed"? Does such a thing exist? :eek:
yeah its what sex ed is being turned into by all the religious nutjobs liek the christian coaltion and american coalition for judeo-christian values and roy moore and george bush

yeah its what sex ed is being turned into by all the religious nutjobs liek the christian coaltion and american coalition for judeo-christian values and roy moore and george bush

Oh...I wouldn't know. I live in a protestant country, so god doesn't have much interest in my groin...

The answer is simple.. woman arn't public property.. they have rights.. and they get married to people :s change that.. and this whole issue is fixed in 2 generations..

gd idea huh :D.....What was the question again ?

"abstinance ed"? Does such a thing exist? :eek:
was wondering about that too...

I don't think that the US is, in general, more sexally repressed than Europe. It is certainly less repressed for the most part than the UK or the "Catholic" European nations.

The US does have a different range of nudity taboos than many places in europe, but that's mainly the fault of American woman and their narcissism. It doesn't have anything to do with sexuality or repression and the two shouldn't be confused.

To the contray, old Britannia is very much the opposite of what you deem it, which is a "Catholic European" nation. So, because France has religion thickly laced into it, that must mean that they are sexually repressed? No. Also, to whoever said that the U.S has a higher birthrate: so what? People know to use contraception in England, I do not know if the same holds true in the states but it has a firm foothold in England.

OOC: I might post later, interesting thread.

Sex is the best thing ever!!!

Close.

I prefer to believe that sex is a PART of "the best thing ever." When you find someone who matches you so well that you can't imagine being with anyone else; when you're able to finish each other's sentances but don't when you're with others; when you find each other an endless source of ideas, humor and creativity; when you're happy just to hold hands, even though nothing else is going to happen just then; when you leave each other notes when there's no real need to do so; when you write poetry to each other and you think it's great, even though no one else would; when sex between the two of you is incredible, not because of positions, gymnastics, toys, or any of the other "variations" ( even though you both like to experiment on occassion ), but because sex is a melding of body, mind, and yes, spirit ... THAT, in my humble opinion, is "the best thing ever!"

How much of your education do you remember when you're stumbling drunk in club at 6 AM?

Sex when you're drunk is like eating a steak dinner after you've been to the dentist ... it's difficult to do properly, the sensations are dim and distant, and nothing tastes right! :)

was wondering about that too...
required class for all freshman going to my highshool i went to

The main reason USA is sexually repressed is cuz of the government. All the censorship on everything.

And the reason the government is like that is cuz this country is so damn Christian. Whatever happened to separation of church and state? Just because like 96.4% (64.2% of statistics are made up on the spot) of USA is Christian, everyone else has to go by those rules.. that's one of my biggest beefs with this country. I don't believe in religion. I believe in having your own beliefs.

Thats my 3 cents.

To the contray, old Britannia is very much the opposite of what you deem it, which is a "Catholic European" nation.

I'm not sure here if you are saying that the UK is a "Catholic European" nation, or are correcting the previous poster's erroneus implication ot that effect, but the UK hasn't been a Catholic nation for hundreds of years.

I'll just ask again in response to this tracing back of sexual repression in the US to the Puritan heritage: why has their distaste for sexuality endured, but not their distaste for material luxuries?
Becasue comsumerism and sexual repression are directly linked, at least in today's society. It all stems from the authority oriented cultural mindset of america.
The superego is an authoritarian construct, it is the set of rules and regulations as to what is acceptable, what is culturally permissable. The american superego tells us that instead of uninhibited sexuality as id release, we should channel those id desires into capitalistic and consummeristic ideals. Not getting any? Buy more stuff! That'll make you happy.

Becasue comsumerism and sexual repression are directly linked, at least in today's society. It all stems from the authority oriented cultural mindset of america.
The superego is an authoritarian construct, it is the set of rules and regulations as to what is acceptable, what is culturally permissable. The american superego tells us that instead of uninhibited sexuality as id release, we should channel those id desires into capitalistic and consummeristic ideals. Not getting any? Buy more stuff! That'll make you happy.

Wow! I happen to hold this view as well.

the arugement "because god says so" might not be good enough for u, but it was good enough for the founders of modern America, who where deeply christain (ie puritans) whose values are still present in there society today weather they agree with them or not. As well as the Irish migration during the famine, who are mostly chatholic and as we all know sex is the number one sin for catholics. So america isnt anti sex coz it just feels like it, its anti sex coz of the hokey religions its founders followed.

If your going to argue, find a tutor to help you use SPELLING AND PROPER GRAMMAR. Also, religion is just BS to begin with, so its not a clear answer.
I feel america is sex-opressed BECAUSE of all that BS that goes through the government. Seperation of Church and State is suppose to take place, but it definitely doesnt. Either get rid of the church or get a totalitarianism government.. oh wait...

Must you folks make EVERY thread into some sort of diatribe or argument about politics or economics? I mean JEEZE! :(

Sex when you're drunk is like eating a steak dinner after you've been to the dentist ... it's difficult to do properly, the sensations are dim and distant, and nothing tastes right! :)

But it's still sex
;)

But it's still sex
;)

LOL! I suppose so, but I've always wanted to have all my wits about me, if for no other reason than to make sure I know what I'm doing and doing what I know ... right! :D

the arugement "because god says so" might not be good enough for u, but it was good enough for the founders of modern America, who where deeply christain (ie puritans)
NO. THEY. WERN'T.

whose values are still present in there society today weather they agree with them or not. As well as the Irish migration during the famine, who are mostly chatholic and as we all know sex is the number one sin for catholics. So america isnt anti sex coz it just feels like it, its anti sex coz of the hokey religions its founders followed.
yeah i remember studying that, everyone sat around persecuting them, and guess what catholicism is a MINORITY religion in america, you cant sit around trying to blame this on a group who was DOUBLY oppressed. we have only had ONE, count it, ONE catholic president SO FAR. this country is majorirty baptist/some other non catholic christianity.


do you need a shovel to help you dig that grave or are your bare hands ok for ya?

If your going to argue, find a tutor to help you use SPELLING AND PROPER GRAMMAR. Also, religion is just BS to begin with, so its not a clear answer.
if YOU are going to argue try doing some studying on the subject you are attempting to debate before going aroudn debating it.

NO. THEY. WERN'T.

Some were. Some weren't. No two Founders were the same. Some were Christian, some were Deist. Some favored slavery, some didn't. Some favored states' rights more than others did, etc.

Must you folks make EVERY thread into some sort of diatribe or argument about politics or economics? I mean JEEZE! :(
Must you troll?

You prefer the religious argument?

There is nothing political about what I said, and I definitely didn't offer any sort of argument for socialism. The question was asked, and I replied with the best of my knowledge. Besides, I think that my response was more about psychology than either politics or economics.

Unless you are going to deny that the US is an authoritarian or consummerist society, which would be extremely hard to do, there is no controversy here.

Sex is simply a method of reproduction. Animals do it, plants do it, and humans do it. The problem is that humans get physical pleasure out of the act. Therefore, many people end up mating for the pleasure of the act and do not think of the consequences involved: namely CHILDREN! That is the risk of mating, producing offspring. (Actually, that is the function, but people don't seem to realize that.) If people did not get pleasure out of sex, perhaps there would not be as many rapings, as many teen pregancies, as many children being raised in broken homes or out of wedlock because their mother and or father wasn't ready to have children, but had sex and the poor kids are the result. Sex is something that should be kept between husband and wife, used only when they desire children. Personally, I do not see what is so appealing about sex and, in all honesty, I think it's rather disgusting, despite the fact that it is necessary in order to further the human race. Still, people need to start thinking before they decide to have sex. Is a few minutes of sweaty pleasure worth the consequences? I don't think so.

LOL! I suppose so, but I've always wanted to have all my wits about me, if for no other reason than to make sure I know what I'm doing and doing what I know ... right! :D

Yeah... Of course it's more fun being sober and all... But it's easier to meet people at clubs and such. Usually one of those "one thing leads to another" type of situations.

Well...first of all, not having regularily sex (or going to bed "con manuela", and other nicer expressions for wasting precious proteins) increases the chances for prostata cancer and also, for longer times, plain impotence when you really don't need it ;)

Well, I'm certainly going to have prostate cancer! Now if I could only find a penis down there instead of a vagina, I'd be all set! ;)

And about being better than something else: No...i don't want to defeat my body. My soul has as much desires as my body and i think i live better when i bring both together. Ignoring a desire of my body for fulfilling a desire for my soul is not really futile. But of course sometimes there can be a comprimise... ;)


Eh. It's not so much of a soul vs body thing as a rational mind vs irrational mind thing. I think the desire to overcome irrationality with logic is genetic; my mom, a trekkie, has said before that spock was her girlhood idol :rolleyes:.


Anyway, I'm going to take this opportunity to give you all a crash course in The Forces that Govern America. There are two of them, and both of them are named John.

On the one hand we have John Winthrop, Puritan leader of all those who came over on the Mayflower. He was an early socialist (pre-Marx socialism was, to my knowledge, always based in religion), and spoke of the "City on a Hill" which the American experiment would become. Everyone had to uphold the highest standards of morality, conduct etc. Everyone had to look out for his neighbor, everyone had to be religious, etc.

On the other we have John Locke. You may know him as the founder of the Classical Liberal movement, and as the man who proclaimed that capitalism was basically a natural right. (I know him as the greatest thinker who ever lived, but that's just me :)). It was his ideology upon which the "founding fathers" (damn I hate that name, but there's really no better one) created the constitution. Basically, he's all about property, and why man has a right to parcel it up into pieces for himself.

Did you know that in an earlier draft of the Constitution, the words were "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Property"?

Anyway, American culture swings between these two values. Very pre-revolutionary America was moralistic, then it swung back to capitalism for a while, but was definitely back to moralism at the time of the Civil War. Then by the turn of the century it was capitalistic again - note that the periods of time are getting closer and closer together now. Then, before WWII something went screwy, and the freedom-to-make-money part of Locke became associated with the must-conform-to-higher-moral-standards part of Winthrop, while the all-is-legal-so-long-as-you-don't-infringe-upon-other-peoples'-rights bit of Locke became associated with the socialism part of Winthrop. I think it has to do with the first attempted implementation of Communism, along with the opportunities for both moral laxity and fiscal irresponsibility that came in the "Roaring Twenties".

Or, as my mom would point out, it's possible that the two Johns got mixed up in a transporter accident...

EDIT: I definitely left out a to be verb there. I don't know if it's because I am recounting the lessons of my to-be-verb-nazi teacher, or if I've finally let Russian get a little too high on the list of my mental priorities...

Because the USA is all screwed up in it's views on sex and sexuality, of course.


F YOU

Yeah... Of course it's more fun being sober and all... But it's easier to meet people at clubs and such. Usually one of those "one thing leads to another" type of situations.

Perhaps, although I've never much enjoyed "clubs and such." I would think that you could drink something non-alcoholic and do ok, yet still keep your wits about you, yes? :)

Perhaps, although I've never much enjoyed "clubs and such." I would think that you could drink something non-alcoholic and do ok, yet still keep your wits about you, yes? :)

Well... The nightlife simply isn't fun without drinking a bit. I think we have that in common with the English.

I was going to post a legitimate answer on this thread, but then I stopped myself mid-sentence and read some of the replies and decided that the community (and the question) here isn't worth my time. So instead, I wasted it trying to look smart and put everybody else down by typing this post that you're reading right now.

Well... The nightlife simply isn't fun without drinking a bit. I think we have that in common with the English.

True. I've done my share of that. But trying to mix the two ... drinking/fun/nightlife and sex ... just doesn't work as well as maybe setting something up for say, another night.

I was going to post a legitimate answer on this thread, but then I stopped myself mid-sentence and read some of the replies and decided that the community (and the question) here isn't worth my time. So instead, I wasted it trying to look smart and put everybody else down by typing this post that you're reading right now.

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True. I've done my share of that. But trying to mix the two ... drinking/fun/nightlife and sex ... just doesn't work as well as maybe setting something up for say, another night.

Yeah, that is true, it isn't as much fun.

But it is still carefree fun...

Yeah, that is true, it isn't as much fun.

But it is still carefree fun...

Perhaps so. It's admittedly been quite awhile since I made the club scene. I suspect it's changed radically.

Perhaps so. It's admittedly been quite awhile since I made the club scene. I suspect it's changed radically.

Yes, maybe. Also I think there is a difference between our cultures, so the scene and behaviour isn't the same.

If you think sex is bad, letila, you're not very good at it.

Close.

I prefer to believe that sex is a PART of "the best thing ever." When you find someone who matches you so well that you can't imagine being with anyone else; when you're able to finish each other's sentances but don't when you're with others; when you find each other an endless source of ideas, humor and creativity; when you're happy just to hold hands, even though nothing else is going to happen just then; when you leave each other notes when there's no real need to do so; when you write poetry to each other and you think it's great, even though no one else would; when sex between the two of you is incredible, not because of positions, gymnastics, toys, or any of the other "variations" ( even though you both like to experiment on occassion ), but because sex is a melding of body, mind, and yes, spirit ... THAT, in my humble opinion, is "the best thing ever!"

Amen. :)

Sex when you're drunk is like eating a steak dinner after you've been to the dentist ... it's difficult to do properly, the sensations are dim and distant, and nothing tastes right! :)

Again, Amen. Actually, while drunk sex sucks, there's nothing good about it, and you tend to feel dizzy and distracted and nauseated, stoned sex is pretty damned amazing. You tend to concentrate on the details more, and you're more relaxed and into what you're doing. I think that I'll have to have a celebration when they finally wake up and legalize it.

The morning after pill is the usual method if a condom fails: which should (~80% of the time) prevent the first situation leading to the second or at least resolve it at an early stage.

and how many people do u know with this pill... more than half the u.s country has sex before or during the age of 16.... do you really think that most those teenage pregnacies have the courage to ask theirs parents for that kind of stuff or to be taken to get them? I can bet they don't.

you know, that makes no sense
the only way you can KNOW that your girl isn't sexually active is to not have sex with her yet keep "checking" her to make sure she hasnt lost her viriginity to someone else. once she is no longer a virgin you have no way of knowing if she is faithful to you or is a dirtly little slut unless you find some way of locking her up so she has no access to other men.


its disgusting but after having sex for both male or female the sent of the other person they slept with is still left on or in them for a week or something like that... not that it makes sense but its kinda true...

Which brings up an interesting question: if a woman who has sex with multiple partners is a "slut," what is a male who has sex with multiple partners? ( scroll down )






If you thought "lucky," shame on you! There really is no reason for using derogatory terminology for only one sex when both sexes have multiple partners.

then hes a slut as well?

When I think of sex and ask it to a girl they say "Eww."

That "eww" reminds me why they are saying "eww". Doesn't sex feel good? I could of supplied myself with condoms. WHy did they say "eww"?

and how many people do u know with this pill...


Most of the people I know in my age group (30+). I'm based in the UK, and know that we/they have been using it when needed since they were in their late teens. Maybe Northern Ireland has a more enlightened family planning system than where you are. I don't know. You tell me.

more than half the u.s country has sex before or during the age of 16.... do you really think that most those teenage pregnacies have the courage to ask theirs parents for that kind of stuff or to be taken to get them? I can bet they don't.

And your solution to this problem is what? Instead of spreading the information you make posts like the one I responded to without providing the whole story.

Again, Amen. Actually, while drunk sex sucks, there's nothing good about it, and you tend to feel dizzy and distracted and nauseated, stoned sex is pretty damned amazing.

Sex on speed, however, is really pretty lousy for all concerned - there is a lot of energy being expended but it isn't really going anywhere interesting.

When I think of sex and ask it to a girl they say "Eww."

That "eww" reminds me why they are saying "eww". Doesn't sex feel good? I could of supplied myself with condoms. WHy did they say "eww"?
Cause they don't want to do it with you. Then again, if they say "eww" why would you want to do it with them?


Abstinence education is based solely on one groups religious views.

Nothing wrong with sex, just don't forget your rubber.
Agreed, but there are also nasty little viruses, but we are beggining to get tester thingys similar to diabetes testers, so that solves that. :fluffle: :fluffle:

"sometimes when I'm sleeping, I dream of my parents having sex, and for some reason I get really angry" - Caboose

Theres nothing wrong with sex. It's a wonderful thing and a wonderful experience, to be sure. But sexual gluttony isn't a good thing. The phrase "too much of a good thing" applies here, as it does everywhere, and it stands to reason. Breath too much, and you hyperventilate, too little, and you sufficate. Eat too much, and you become obese and your health deteriotes, while eating too little causes one to waste away over time.
Outside of God, I see the universe as under something I call the "Grey Law," that everything in the universe - from atoms to acids to animals and humans - tend toward moderation.
However, my ideas about sex are dictated by my Christian moral ideals as well, thus I believe that sex outside of marriage is never a good thing, and having nude females all over the place tempts men to have lust in their hearts, which is a negative thing that feeds the "sexual gluttony" impulse, which can over time lead to darker things as the gluttony needs more to feed itself. It isn't "sexual repression," which is a favorite psychobabble catchphrase that people like to use, but merely restricting an impulse which, if constantly indulged with abandon, can lead to destructive behaviors. Make fun of me as you wish, but they are my personal framework of morals and I won't shy away from them.

Sex on speed, however, is really pretty lousy for all concerned - there is a lot of energy being expended but it isn't really going anywhere interesting.

Sex on speed is almost a moot point, since most of the time it's impossible. I try to stay away from sex on anything but nature or weed, and the weed is pretty seldom, considering the attitude toward it, and the legal/employment/financial risk it entails these days. This is not to say I haven't tried it a lot of ways, but I think it's safe to say that my preference leans toward doing it with one person I love, and sober. For everyone else out there, hey, whatever floats your boat, but I never found most of that stuff very fulfilling.

[QUOTE=Arizona Nova]having nude females all over the place tempts men to have lust in their hearts[QUOTE]

For the most part, I agree with the things you've said, but I don't agree with the stance on nudity. I think that we've come to see nudity and sexuality as synonymous, and they're not. When I wander out to the fridge in the middle of the night, and don't bother to put on a robe because it isn't handy, I'm not thinking of sex. It's the furthest thing from my mind. When my fiancee wanders that way to the bathroom, I don't automatically want to jump him. Not that I find him unsexy, but because it's a context that isn't really connected to sex. When I see my four year old nephew escape from the threat of a bath just seconds from getting his toes wet, it's not something that incites lust, even if I might giggle a bit. I think we need to get away from this idea that nudity is all about sex.

Maybe if we saw it more often, we'd get a little more realistic about it. As it is, a lot of people never see nudity unless they're about to have sex or masturbate. That's wrong. You don't want to eat every time you see food, because it's around all of the time. I'd venture that the same thing would happen with nudity, if it were something so common that you didn't give it a second thought except in the appropriate context.

Sex is simply a method of reproduction. Animals do it, plants do it, and humans do it. The problem is that humans get physical pleasure out of the act. Therefore, many people end up mating for the pleasure of the act and do not think of the consequences involved: namely CHILDREN! That is the risk of mating, producing offspring. (Actually, that is the function, but people don't seem to realize that.) If people did not get pleasure out of sex, perhaps there would not be as many rapings, as many teen pregancies, as many children being raised in broken homes or out of wedlock because their mother and or father wasn't ready to have children, but had sex and the poor kids are the result. Sex is something that should be kept between husband and wife, used only when they desire children. Personally, I do not see what is so appealing about sex and, in all honesty, I think it's rather disgusting, despite the fact that it is necessary in order to further the human race. Still, people need to start thinking before they decide to have sex. Is a few minutes of sweaty pleasure worth the consequences? I don't think so.

No offense is meant here, but if you are underage, I hope you find out differently some day

If you aren't underage, then you either need to find a partner who actually cares enough to make sure YOU are having a good time too (and reach fulfillment or orgasm or preferably both) or maybe you might just need to relax a bit.

Sex can be the greatest thing since the invention of two genders, particularly if you are with someone who is making the effort to make you happy and you are making the same effort (love helps a hell of a lot, but enthusiastic friends can have a pretty damn good time too)

Sorry that you think its sweaty and not worth the trouble, it shouldnt be that way

Ok for those who really think so...

Men do not have to see a naked woman to think lustful thoughts, even a woman in a full length rain coat will do just fine (I can't speak for gay men, I have no idea what makes them think lustful thoughts)

We are just wired that way..... or if you like, its the way God made us (whichever you prefer)

for real fun, take a college level Human Sexuality class... you will learn more than you ever even thought you wanted to know about sex

most fun class I ever took, easiest A too.... (just think how easy it was to pay attention to the lectures...)

Sex on speed is almost a moot point, since most of the time it's impossible.

Well, yes, but there is more to sex than penetration.

Well, yes, but there is more to sex than penetration.

Agreed, but I've found that the frustration overrides just about anything else. A guy on speed tends to freak out about not being able to get an erection to the exclusion of everything else. It's not an enjoyable experience for anyone, I think.

It's not an enjoyable experience for anyone, I think.

Yeah, that's why I said it was pretty lousy. If you're on speed you can have a much more pleasurable time doing other things, despite how inane they appear in retrospect.

I never found speed to be much good for anything. Maybe a night of cleaning house or something, but really, it's cheap and nasty. Same thing with coke. I think the only drugs that are any good for sex are pot and GHB.

I never found speed to be much good for anything. Maybe a night of cleaning house or something, but really, it's cheap and nasty.

Drinking all night at hardcore fests is the only thing it makes sense for with me these days. Anyhoo...

Well, let's consider how the "New World" got founded shall we? Some Puritans were being oppressed back in Europe, got on a boat, and essentially populated North America with its current, predominant culture.

Maybe that's why? ;)

Well, Christopher Columbus and his crew certainly were not that Puritanical: one report has a Colmbian aide literally grabbing a native woman, ripping off her clothes and beating her until she agrees to have sex with him, which was apparently so good that "you would have thought she came from the highest of harems" (his words, not mine).

So I would be right in assuming that Columbus' sailors were too stupid to find the words or gestures to ask?

It might have saved him spraining his damned beating arm. Of course, from the sounds of it, he might have had plenty of muscle in that one anyway.

So I would be right in assuming that Columbus' sailors were too stupid to find the words or gestures to ask?

It might have saved him spraining his damned beating arm. Of course, from the sounds of it, he might have had plenty of muscle in that one anyway.

I think the aide did ask but wouldn't take no for an answer- besides, the Europeans didn't really view the Natives back then as anything more than "glorified chattel" so it really didn't matter much if they asked- they were going to abuse them no matter what.

'sex is so bad' because it allows people to be free. think about it for a moment. in the darkest solitary cell in the most remote prison on the globe, a masturbating prisoner 'is' where ever and with whom ever he wants to be and with, for that period of time. can you think of any other time when your imagination is as vivid and all encompassing? (other than in dreams) sex is one of THE most 'freeing' mental tricks that the human brain can perpetrate on the mind. :fluffle:

Well, without reading through the past fifteen or so pages of discussion, I don't know if anybody has brought this up or not, but here is my 2 cents:

God does not say sex is bad, In fact, he says that sex is a good, enjoyable, and totally natural thing. HOWEVER, only people who are married are supposed to have sex and only with the person that they are married to.

Sex is simply a method of reproduction. Animals do it, plants do it, and humans do it. The problem is that humans get physical pleasure out of the act. Therefore, many people end up mating for the pleasure of the act and do not think of the consequences involved: namely CHILDREN! That is the risk of mating, producing offspring. (Actually, that is the function, but people don't seem to realize that.) If people did not get pleasure out of sex, perhaps there would not be as many rapings, as many teen pregancies, as many children being raised in broken homes or out of wedlock because their mother and or father wasn't ready to have children, but had sex and the poor kids are the result. Sex is something that should be kept between husband and wife, used only when they desire children. Personally, I do not see what is so appealing about sex and, in all honesty, I think it's rather disgusting, despite the fact that it is necessary in order to further the human race. Still, people need to start thinking before they decide to have sex. Is a few minutes of sweaty pleasure worth the consequences? I don't think so.

"The problem is..." Sorry, but what the fuck are you talking about? Where is the problem of sex being pleasurable? Let me guess, you didnt have any sex yet, right? Where does the disgusting part come in? And you never heard of contraceptives, which make the sex=pregnant point moot.

Well, without reading through the past fifteen or so pages of discussion, I don't know if anybody has brought this up or not, but here is my 2 cents:

God does not say sex is bad, In fact, he says that sex is a good, enjoyable, and totally natural thing. HOWEVER, only people who are married are supposed to have sex and only with the person that they are married to.
yes. and that's just sad. you're missing out on a whole lot of fun :(

yes. and that's just sad. you're missing out on a whole lot of fun :(

Nah. God just wants you to do other things. Fun things.

[QUOTE=Letila]I'm talking about compared to Sweden or Germany.

The thing is I am from Sweden and I really don't agree with you American folks. Many believe that we are very liberal when it comes to sex but I would not say so. In Sweden every second TV-show is from US. But I think that we have a different view of sex. Janet Jackson's boob was the most awful thing and could not be shown, even though half the population has boobs and the other half likes them. I think any video with Britney Spears is more provocative because it gives young girls the image of how you must act and how you must look. I think it is much worse that Hollywood show women as objects for men to do what they want with. :rolleyes:

The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed.
Albert Camus

Pardon my English
Robin Nylén :fluffle:

Nah. God just wants you to do other things. Fun things.
you mean... other fun things, right?

umm... I live in Europe so maybe I'm wrong but to us, America seems sex-crazed. Certainly all the programmes that come to us from America are heavily sexual, and not in a negative way (and believe me, there are ALOT of American programmes). Not that I'm complaining, I'm just saying I disagree with the view that Americans are sexually repressed.
Oh... and the Bible doesn't say sex is bad. It says God made sex.
*shrug* please don't yell at me if you disagree, that's just what I think.

you mean... other fun things, right?

Exactly. Fun things... with the thing and the other thing. Sometimes with the other guy with the thing and the thing and the stuff by the thing. But not the first thing. The second thing thing. You know... fun things!

Exactly. Fun things... with the thing and the other thing. Sometimes with the other guy with the thing and the thing and the stuff by the thing. But not the first thing. The second thing thing. You know... fun things!
oooh, i see... hehe... that sounds like so much fun! the thing with the thing...

Honestly, we really don't need any more kids on the planet right now. We are in no danger of dying out as a species, except through famine and pollution from overpopulation.

Baby Boom Generation and Social Security. >_>

Sex on speed, however, is really pretty lousy for all concerned - there is a lot of energy being expended but it isn't really going anywhere interesting.

Sex on speed? I recall the phenomenon "whizzdick", symbolised by a loosely downward curling little finger.

Sex on smack I had accidentally once. It owned.

then hes a slut as well?

Sounds strange to use the term "slut" in regards to a male, but for want of a better word ...! :)

[QUOTE=Arizona Nova] You don't want to eat every time you see food, because it's around all of the time.

You've obviously never seen the inside of my refrigerator! :(

"sometimes when I'm sleeping, I dream of my parents having sex, and for some reason I get really angry" - Caboose

Sounds like a rather serious case of self-loathing to me!

Again, Amen. Actually, while drunk sex sucks, there's nothing good about it, and you tend to feel dizzy and distracted and nauseated, stoned sex is pretty damned amazing. You tend to concentrate on the details more, and you're more relaxed and into what you're doing. I think that I'll have to have a celebration when they finally wake up and legalize it.

In all honesty, I've never tried any drugs other than a couple of joints many years ago. I don't even like being on pain medication! I suppose it's because I value my connection with reality too much to want my mind altered or "enhanced" in any way. There have been times when sex was so fantastic that "enhancing" it in any way would have blown out all my circuits! :)

Sex on speed? I recall the phenomenon "whizzdick", symbolised by a loosely downward curling little finger.

Sex on smack I had accidentally once. It owned.

I don't know that I ever want to try that. For one, I've heard that the same erectile disfunction *ahem* can happen, and for another, I don't want to know how much I'd like smack. I'm afraid I'd like it too much. That's where the problems start.

In all honesty, I've never tried any drugs other than a couple of joints many years ago. I don't even like being on pain medication! I suppose it's because I value my connection with reality too much to want my mind altered or "enhanced" in any way. There have been times when sex was so fantastic that "enhancing" it in any way would have blown out all my circuits! :)

My fiance and I did nearly blow our circuits. It was one of those rare times that just blow them all away. I think I was in tears afterward, because it was so amazing, and I am so in love with that man.

My fiance and I did nearly blow our circuits. It was one of those rare times that just blow them all away. I think I was in tears afterward, because it was so amazing, and I am so in love with that man.

You sound like a very, very fortunate woman. :D

You sound like a very, very fortunate woman. :D

And I know it. :)

I don't know that I ever want to try that. For one, I've heard that the same erectile disfunction *ahem* can happen,

Quite the reverse in my case



and for another, I don't want to know how much I'd like smack. I'm afraid I'd like it too much. That's where the problems start.

Too true. Just make sure you don't know any smackheads. Actually that's great advice for everyone.

Too true. Just make sure you don't know any smackheads. Actually that's great advice for everyone.

I've known a few, and sat through some "WTF!?!" conversations with some where they want to talk about how suspicious pharmacists get when they buy cold medicine with codeine in it, because they might look like they'd enjoy it too much. I know the type, and I cross the street to avoid them.

I've known a few, and sat through some "WTF!?!" conversations with some where they want to talk about how suspicious pharmacists get when they buy cold medicine with codeine in it, because they might look like they'd enjoy it too much. I know the type, and I cross the street to avoid them.

How do you recognize them?

How do you recognize them?

It's hard to explain, but it's something around the eyes and about the texture of their skin, and their behavior. It's very hard to nail down unless you've spent time around them, but if you have, you learn to spot it. At any rate, you can spot someone who is suspiciously close to the profile.

It's just one of those things, you subconsciously catalogue things they do and say, and you have a pretty good idea, even if you can't say for sure. I've gone on instinct a lot, and I just give them a wide berth. Very often, I'm right. If I'm wrong, I've lost very little by it.

It's hard to explain, but it's something around the eyes and about the texture of their skin, and their behavior. It's very hard to nail down unless you've spent time around them, but if you have, you learn to spot it. At any rate, you can spot someone who is suspiciously close to the profile.
and they wear funny hats. ;)

and they wear funny hats. ;)

Absolutely. It's hard to miss the signs around their necks too. ;)

God, nor the Bible ever EVER said sex was bad. in fact its a great gift God has given to mankind...what's happened though is America has perverted it and they show it on tv as sometihng that's ok whenever, pretty much anyway. and people have sex without being married. that may be fine to some, but Sex was originally meant for just a man and a woman in the constructs of a legal marriage. that's why some may think America is Repressed in this manner, and so it should be, to make sex a private thing not for tv and for husband and wife only....i will not judge those who do otherwise i'm just saying what's happened here.

God, nor the Bible ever EVER said sex was bad. in fact its a great gift God has given to mankind...what's happened though is America has perverted it and they show it on tv as sometihng that's ok whenever, pretty much anyway. and people have sex without being married. that may be fine to some, but Sex was originally meant for just a man and a woman in the constructs of a legal marriage. that's why some may think America is Repressed in this manner, and so it should be, to make sex a private thing not for tv and for husband and wife only....i will not judge those who do otherwise i'm just saying what's happened here.

Actually, I'm pretty sure sex was originally meant for reproduction...

God, nor the Bible ever EVER said sex was bad. in fact its a great gift God has given to mankind...what's happened though is America has perverted it and they show it on tv as sometihng that's ok whenever, pretty much anyway. and people have sex without being married. that may be fine to some, but Sex was originally meant for just a man and a woman in the constructs of a legal marriage. that's why some may think America is Repressed in this manner, and so it should be, to make sex a private thing not for tv and for husband and wife only....i will not judge those who do otherwise i'm just saying what's happened here.

I'm not so sure that's the root of the problem. I think the root of the problem is that we've come to have an unnatural view of sex, and we take it to extremes. There are plenty of unmarried couples who have perfectly healthy sex, and plenty of married couples who have unhealthy sex. It has nothing to do with marriage.

Actually, I'm pretty sure sex was originally meant for reproduction...

"meant" for reproduction? I think your imputation of meaning is possibly misplaced. Sex *is* for reproduction, but is that by design or by accident?

"meant" for reproduction? I think your imputation of meaning is possibly misplaced. Sex *is* for reproduction, but is that by design or by accident?
even when taking into consideration everything that darwin said...i still do think it is by design.

even when taking into consideration everything that darwin said...i still do think it is by design.

by someone's design? some consciousness who decided to use sex as the means of mammalian reproduction?

If so, then no. Sex was never meant for reproduction. It just happened that way. And even if it was meant for reproduction, so what? Hair is meant for keeping mammals warm, but we use hair for showing off and clothes to keep warm. Or is waxing ungodly?

by someone's design? some consciousness who decided to use sex as the means of mammalian reproduction?
choosing from 'design' or 'accident' i would choose design. but since I don't believe in god...and therefore have no one to fill the 'designer' role...I'll opt for d) none of the above.

If so, then no. Sex was never meant for reproduction. It just happened that way. And even if it was meant for reproduction, so what? Hair is meant for keeping mammals warm, but we use hair for showing off and clothes to keep warm. Or is waxing ungodly?

yes. sex is meant for reproduction. but as you said...so what? there's always sperm banks. ;)

You guys are seriously getting offtopic. The original question was "Why is America sexually repressed?" and the best answer to the question I can concieve of is "It's not"; Conservatives tend to keep it out of our television and some movies, Liberals push toward more European-style movies (just look at the recent box office surges...)

I feel that one of America's weaknesses is that sex eduation is done so late. I wasn't in Health until sixth grade, and I had known about sex since probably third (I was quite the avid reader as a little kid, and when you read books about child bearing, nursing [the hospital kind], and the like, you tend to extrapolate things like sex quite easily).

But the whole answer you are looking for is that no, we aren't sexually repressed, but we aren't as open as Europe is either. You must understand that with the age of many European countries, Conservative ideals like nudity and sexual conducts are more likely to have been talked about for longer, and therefore more integrated into society. Our society is rather young, and we haven't had the chance yet to talk about many of the core issues that are wrong with it. I feel with the copyright battles right now that we are finally getting to the point where American's feel the need to talk up about what they believe in, and that the ideals of posession are on the current chopping block (they've grown a bit too large IMO).

Hope that helps.

Nah. God just wants you to do other things.
Maybe cos God cant have sex...he dont know what he is missing :fluffle:

Maybe cos God cant have sex...he dont know what he is missing :fluffle:

of course god can have sex. god can do anything. that's what makes god god.

of course god can have sex. god can do anything. that's what makes god god.


and with god being perfect and all ( ;) ) then he/she/it must be bloody good....

and with god being perfect and all ( ;) ) then he/she/it must be bloody good....

perfect, in fact

perfect, in fact



almost makes me wish there is a heaven and a god after all.....

Thats so Gay


why exactly is that gay?

why exactly is that gay?You...Nasty Thing...You making me Nervous

Your Dirty ming :fluffle:


:rolleyes:

Kellarly...Are you a girl?

You...Nasty Thing...You making me Nervous


nervous about?

Kellarly...Are you a girl?


no, the opposite, i was just questioning why we assume god is a bloke and you go and get all wierd....

no, the opposite, i was just questioning why we assume god is a bloke and you go and get all wierd....
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.*the sounds of a deflating fallus* :D

It's a good thing God can keep his little man in his pants, unlike Zeus, who just had to screw a mortal every ten seconds.

Then again, it might not be a bad thing having more Jesuses (or is that Jesi?)

Wow. And thus all the intelligent arguments got tossed down the shit-hole. Sex is all about image. Well, it's become about that anyway. It's what we were programmed to do. We're sexual beings, whether some hoity-toity government or whatever says so or not. Sex is only bad if YOU view it as bad. It's all a matter of opinion. Sure, America may be collectively scared out of its little mind of sex, but that doesn't mean it's wrong, or bad, or dirty. Just because someone says it is. Make up your own mind.

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well it might help that you could spell phallus to begin with.....

I don't really think that sex is "meant" for anything if you think about it.

People simply wish to feel physically good, or feel an emotional connection with someone, or reproduce, or sometimes all of the above simultaneously.

Unprotected vaginal penetration is the <b>method</b> they use to attain the reproductive end, while oral sex, heavy petting, anal sex, fetishism, roleplaying - to list just a few - are <b>methods</b> that can be used to attain the other goals.

But acts of sex do not have any "real" purposes behind them.

This is unfortnuately not the way many Americans feel about it, but many are learning the lesson that this "method" should not be inhibited, for the good of the society. It will take time, but these sorts of changes have already occured in North America. In Canada, for example, the people went from ultra-conservative to very open about sexuality in less than 20 years once Pierre Eliot Trudeau almost singlehandedly changed our views to a more tolerant nation with regards to sex.

I'm sure that America too will see the light and recognize sex for what it is, instead of trying to define the "role of sex" in society.

God, nor the Bible ever EVER said sex was bad. in fact its a great gift God has given to mankind...what's happened though is America has perverted it and they show it on tv as sometihng that's ok whenever, pretty much anyway. and people have sex without being married. that may be fine to some, but Sex was originally meant for just a man and a woman in the constructs of a legal marriage. that's why some may think America is Repressed in this manner, and so it should be, to make sex a private thing not for tv and for husband and wife only....i will not judge those who do otherwise i'm just saying what's happened here.

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Yeah, sure, as if there was no sex before the concept of marriage as such was invented. And if you happen to be one of those thick-headed, biblethumping creationists, well, shut up, and have an unsatisfying sexlife once you are stuck with your spouse till one of you dies. Btw, you are not "saying what's happened here", but give your personal view on the matter.

You're doing it wrong.

Canada and Europe, leading the way...

soon, my friends, America will make it there. Soon.

Once we get the Republicans out of office...

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LOL! And that sound would be ...??

Canada and Europe, leading the way...

soon, my friends, America will make it there. Soon.

Once we get the Republicans out of office...

SIGH! :rolleyes:

Too true. Just make sure you don't know any smackheads. Actually that's great advice for everyone.

Not knowing any smackheads or disowning them when they become one and having nothing more to do with them may make for an easier life, but is hardly ethical just because they have fucked up. What can you do when the people you know are on smack? There aren't any easy answers, and simply saying that they are fools for what they do doesn't work - some of the most determined and intelligent people I know have ended up on smack. Some have come through the other end and now are involvd in giving talks to school kids about the dangers, some are still involved in that scene.

Easy answers would be nice, but there aren't any.

LOL! And that sound would be ...??

it would sound something like: "Oh, I swear this has never happened before! Really!"

Actually the Puritans were fairly sexually free, relative to the time. After a pair of kids had their marriage arranged, they were free to enjoy an activity called *grabs history book* "bundling". This is where the courting couple was allowed to lie in bed together, with their lower bodies wrapped in aprons and seperated by a board. So they were free to do whatever that wanted without involving their lower bodies.

There's a little ballad beneath the bundling description:

She is modest, also chaste
While only bare from neck to waist,
And he of boasted freedom sings,
Of all above her apron strings.

Wait, bare from neck to waist? So, she is half naked, right? See, parents would kill their children even for that, these days. You're right, America is even more repressed than the past... I'm moving to France.

I have noticed that American culture is strongly sex negative. Of course they won't say it outright, but it is undeniable. If you think American commercials are heavily sexual, you obviously haven't heard about European views on nudity and sex. In fact, the US is probably one of the most sexually repressed first world nations.

Now I know you will deny it by saying "We only disapprove of sex outside of a specific cultural construct," or "But look at all the attractive women not dressed in baggy clothing you see on TV," or "It's not like we shoot people o on the spot for possessing hentai," but the fact remains that America is sexually repressed. Why is sex so bad?

Note: "Because God/Jesus/the Bible said so" is not a good enough answer for me. I am agnostic and it doesn't answer anything for me.

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Well, if you compare the US with some middle eastern countries, we're really not that bad.. American women are allowed to walk outside without being covered in 20 million layers of clothing. That's just their culture. The American morals toward sex relate in part toward culture, too. We're a largely Christian nation (even though I'm not supposed to say this...), and it talks about sex in the Bible. Actually, around where I live, I see prostitutes on the side of the road all the time. So really, sex is a majorly prevalent part of American culture. Granted, not as much as in a lot of European nations.. but still..

it would sound something like: "Oh, I swear this has never happened before! Really!"

ROFLMAO!!! Hmm. What with the availability of new "enhancing" drugs like Viagra and Cialis, I would think this would be a thing of the past, yes? :)

"meant" for reproduction? I think your imputation of meaning is possibly misplaced. Sex *is* for reproduction, but is that by design or by accident?

All evidence suggests that we are capable of humping so that we can make offspring. We are one of the few species that has fun with it...

ROFLMAO!!! Hmm. What with the availability of new "enhancing" drugs like Viagra and Cialis, I would think this would be a thing of the past, yes? :)

It must still happen to someone. Kind of like people who don't realize they have a heart problem untill they keel over one day...

It must still happen to someone. Kind of like people who don't realize they have a heart problem untill they keel over one day...

You may be correct. I just assumed that ... well, nevermind. I take an aspirin every other day, just in case.

I take an aspirin every other day, just in case.

Is that not very likely to lead to stomach and digestive problems?

You may be correct. I just assumed that ... well, nevermind. I take an aspirin every other day, just in case.

aspirin? In case of headaches?

Call me old fashioned, but I believe America has become too sexually explicit, in relation to the media. Of course sex is good, do whatever you want in the privacy of your own home, but why do we need to display is on TV. Even subtle hints and jokes about sex on television, in my mind, is sickening. I do not want to know what other people do with their bodies. Sex is an act between two people and it should remain that way.

basically, american business and politics is under pressure from america's large number of religious fundamentalists, most of whom believe sex to be, on the whole, a dirty and evil thing. if this is what the religious types believe, this is what will be reflected in the country's media and in the politician's policies.

Now, in my view, America's sexual repression is all derived from their sense of moralistic superiority. They beleive they are better than everyone else in everything they do. As a result, they feel that sexuality is beneath them. If you want to improve their openess towards sexuality, start teaching sex in the schools. Teach the children that it is nothing to be ashamed of, that it is not taboo, and watch the repression crumble.

That is just the opinion of one Canadian . . .

the arugement "because god says so" might not be good enough for u, but it was good enough for the founders of modern America, who where deeply christain (ie puritans) whose values are still present in there society today weather they agree with them or not. As well as the Irish migration during the famine, who are mostly chatholic and as we all know sex is the number one sin for catholics. So america isnt anti sex coz it just feels like it, its anti sex coz of the hokey religions its founders followed. :fluffle:

it is not the number one sin for catholics :fluffle: :gundge: :mp5: :sniper: :headbang:

Is that not very likely to lead to stomach and digestive problems?

Only if you take them too often. That's why only one every other day.


aspirin? In case of headaches?

Heh! No. Aspirin helps thin the blood and thus helps prevent heart attacks and stroke.

Actually, judging by the amount of kid-porn and violent degrading misogynist porn from those two countries it can be reasonably argued that it is they, and not the US, that have problems in expressing their sexuality in a healthy manner.... or maybe you think liking "Bitch Rape Movies" are the sign of a healthy sexuality....
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Sorry but got offended here!!! About this kid and bitch raping!! First of all in germany is even a law that you can be prosecuted in germany if you play the sugar daddy in thailand etc a law that as fare as I know doesn´t exist in USA (doesn´t exist in most of the countries!!)
Besides think it´s not a matter of sex, it´s a matter of nudity. Sorry but the superbowl thing and some other are really just funny and stupid!!
Also think all this is a matter of education, if you use to go to nudity beaches or just normal beaches around the world with women laying without covering the upper part, sorry we see it just normal and don´t even look over, and we don´t have to run with a read head to the sea to “cool” us off.
Like I say it´s a matter of education and looking at the things from a more “natural” side. So many examples of hierocracy, Muslim that cover the women hey guys in the coran is also written that you as man should look down when a women passes….?? Many other things, it´s like this typical stupidity, a women dresses a bit sexy cause she wants, and if a man rapes her you say “well she was asking for it” come on….. We all should relax a bit about the nudity (was that not one of the reasons we got kicked out of paradise….? We was never ment to dress…??)
Really it should really become something natural and women should have a nice look at the Davidoff or Coca Cola men and we at J.J at the superbowl… without having the need to run out and rape some1. Why is it ok a man running around without T-shirt but a women not???
If some1 has an answer to all this questions…. Well actually you would see that something is wrong!!
cheers

Only if you take them too often. That's why only one every other day.




Heh! No. Aspirin helps thin the blood and thus helps prevent heart attacks and stroke.

Oh, I didn't know that, I've heard magnyl has the same effect, it's a similar drug to aspirin, but weaker. Aspirin and drugs containing aspirin are illegal over here.

Oh, I didn't know that, I've heard magnyl has the same effect, it's a similar drug to aspirin, but weaker. Aspirin and drugs containing aspirin are illegal over here.


Really? Why? Do you know? And where is "here?"