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I don't think theres one out there yet.
Now, if we could only find a Dutch person to answer questions. Any volunteers?

Maybe you should make an "ask a german living in holland " thread ?
P.s If they call people from Poland Poles- why dont they call people from holland Holes?

ME!

Have you ever burned your pubes dancing around the fire?
No

P.s If they call people from Poland Poles- why dont they call people from holland Holes?
I know that one. Holland is a province. 2 provinces actually, north and south. Not the official name of the country.

That is true, officially the country is called Nederland, or The Netherlands. I live there

Imp

That is true, officially the country is called Nederland, or The Netherlands. I live there

Imp

Maybe you can answer a question then. What is the capital of the Netherlands? I can never get a straight answer on this. Is it Amsterdam or Den Haag?

I don't live in Holland but even I know what the capital of Holland is. It's Amsterdam.

Amsterdam is the capital of the Netherlands.
Den Haag is our "political capital". (as in; our goverment is based in Den Haag).

And the capitol of North-Holland (the province where Amsterdam is in) is Haarlem

Amsterdam is the capital of the Netherlands.
Den Haag is our "political capital". (as in; our goverment is based in Den Haag).

So the government is in the Hague, which is why you call Amsterdam the capital city. Er... why?

So the government is in the Hague, which is why you call Amsterdam the capital city. Er... why?
To confuse everyone else

Seems to be working :)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Martian Free Colonies
So the government is in the Hague, which is why you call Amsterdam the capital city. Er... why?


To confuse everyone else

Psst ... they smoke a lot of weed in Amsterdam.

Moet je wiet?

Make that, "everywhere in Holland"

Funny thing is, we seem to be smoking less weed than other countries. :D

Anyway, from http://homepage.residentie.net/~schram-12/amsteng.htm


When the French invaded the Netherlands and Napoleon made his brother Lodewijk King of the Netherlands ("Kingdom Holland"), Lodewijk did not want to live in the little The Hague. He saw that the Cityhall of Amsterdam looked like a Palace and moved to Amsterdam. The city councel was forced out of the cityhall and Lodewijk had his palace. Amsterdam was made capital of the Kingdom.

After Waterloo the French were gone and the Orange family and the government returned to The Hague. Amsterdam stayed capital in name, but had no official functions. And it still has no status.

More info on Amsterdam en Den Haag on that site.

Amsterdam is the weed capital of the world!!! :rolleyes:

Make that, "everywhere in Holland"

Have you ever burned your pubes dancing round a hash pipe?

Have you ever burned your pubes dancing round a hash pipe?
I found that to be physically impossible

Funny thing is, we seem to be smoking less weed than other countries. :D

Anyway, from http://homepage.residentie.net/~schram-12/amsteng.htm



More info on Amsterdam en Den Haag on that site.

Wow. I've actually learned something on a General thread. :eek:
Thank you.
But... I still don't see why you don't just say: "you know, it's a bit silly calling a city the capital when it actually isn't. Let's make Den Haag the capital."

But then, being British I know all about traditions persisting long after they had any use, just out of habit.

Amsterdam is actually bigger than Den Haag... I'm not sure if a capital city is defined by being the one that holds the government, but unless that's a very strict definition everywhere else I don't see why being an exeption makes it untrue.

in the beginning the government was settled in amsterdam, thats why its the capital
at that time the hague was a village

Amsterdam is actually bigger than Den Haag... I'm not sure if a capital city is defined by being the one that holds the government, but unless that's a very strict definition everywhere else I don't see why being an exeption makes it untrue.

LA is bigger than Washington.
Sao Paolo is bigger than Brasilia.
Capital is nothing to do with population - it's just that the largest city also tends to be the seat of government in most places. The capital is where your government sits. By definition. Unless like the Dutch you apparently decide to carry on calling a city the capital even after the government has left. Of course, you can be like South Africa, split your government up into three different bits and have three capital cities.

Wow. I've actually learned something on a General thread. :eek:
Oops, I'm sorry for that. Won't happen again. :p

Thank you.
No prob, was a great excuse to refresh my memory on that subject.

But... I still don't see why you don't just say: "you know, it's a bit silly calling a city the capital when it actually isn't. Let's make Den Haag the capital."

Never thought about it to be honest.

But then, being British I know all about traditions persisting long after they had any use, just out of habit.

I guess that's why I've never thought about it. It's just fact and we're not bothered by it one bit. :p
Besides, I couldn't imagine Amsterdam not being the capital, it's synonymous for "the Netherlands", just ask every tourist (which would be bored to death in Den Haag). ;)

...

Besides, I couldn't imagine Amsterdam not being the capital, it's synonymous for "the Netherlands", just ask every tourist (which would be bored to death in Den Haag). ;)
I don't know. My wife's been to the Hague. She says it's got a nice restaurant.

I don't know. My wife's been to the Hague. She says it's got a nice restaurant.
It has multiple restaurants :D

It has multiple restaurants :D

She didn't stay long enough to find out. She got bored. :p

Have you ever burned your pubes dancing around the fire?

No. I shave.

hehe ok now, lets mock the Holländer:

1. why do all people in Holland live in Camping vans?

2. is it true that when you destroy a dam somewhere, you could soon call your country "Down Under(the ocean)" too?

3. is Rudi Carell a national hero ?

4. why does hollands national football team wear orange? they look gay with it!

5. Could you take Linda de Mol back?

6. why dont you call your country Holland, when everyone already calls it like that?

7. can i have some weed?

hehe ok now, lets mock the Holländer:

1. why do all people in Holland live in Camping vans?
we do?
2. is it true that when you destroy a dam somewhere, you could soon call your country "Down Under(the ocean)" too?
Large parts will be flooded. We actually created a province wich is 3 metres under the sea
3. is Rudi Carell a national hero ?
No, he is one in Germany
4. why does hollands national football team wear orange? they look gay with it!
Cause part of the royal family is from Orange (somewhere in France)
5. Could you take Linda de Mol back?
No way
6. why dont you call your country Holland, when everyone already calls it like that?
Cause Holland are only two provinces
7. can i have some weed?If you can make the drive, you can :mp5:

1. why do all people in Holland live in Camping vans?
So they can move quikly in case the dam breaks.

2. is it true that when you destroy a dam somewhere, you could soon call your country "Down Under(the ocean)" too?
Yep. At least a good part of it.

3. is Rudi Carell a national hero ?
He is in Germany.

4. why does hollands national football team wear orange? they look gay with it!
Because in the Netherlands Gay marriages are legal.

5. Could you take Linda de Mol back?
Why do you think they kicked her out in the first place?

6. why dont you call your country Holland, when everyone already calls it like that?
Because.

7. can i have some weed?
That'll be 20 Euro's.

"is Rudi Carell a national hero ?"

No, he is our revanche for world war 2.
Keep him, please....

"is Rudi Carell a national hero ?"

No, he is our revanche for world war 2.
Keep him, please....
LMAO

Besides, I couldn't imagine Amsterdam not being the capital, it's synonymous for "the Netherlands", just ask every tourist (which would be bored to death in Den Haag). ;)

Fair play. I liked Den Haag, but I only spent a weekend there. That was sufficient, I think.

"is Rudi Carell a national hero ?"

No, he is our revanche for world war 2.
Keep him, please....
noooo ww2 occupation lasted only 5 years, and rudi is here for at last 30 and tortured MILLIONS!!! this is too much ... HAVE MERCY! :cool:

noooo ww2 occupation lasted only 5 years, and rudi is here for at last 30 and tortured MILLIONS!!! this is too much ... HAVE MERCY! :cool:
Watch it or we'll throw in Georgina Verbaan

Cause Holland are only two provinces

then theres only one thing to do: give everything except these two provinces to belgium!

Watch it or we'll throw in Georgina Verbaan
who is that?
on a second thought.... i probably dont wanna know :(

I would be glad to. Everyone above the Maas and Rhein sucks

Watch it or we'll throw in Georgina Verbaan
Throw her in anyway.

Watch it or we'll throw in Georgina Verbaan
whats wrong with her?
http://home.hetnet.nl/~sportspictures/celebs/GeorginaVerbaan/page_01.htm

When I flew into amsterdam, i flew over some really cool looking places where all the houses were at the side of lakes, and had boats parked outside. Is this normal for dutch or is it only for rich or weird people?

who is that?
on a second thought.... i probably dont wanna know :(
She's an "actress" who is just really dumb and annoying

I would be glad to. Everyone above the Maas and Rhein sucks
i like zwolle :P (not that i live there)

She's an "actress" who is just really dumb and annoying
But amazingly still manages to look better then Rudi.

When I flew into amsterdam, i flew over some really cool looking places where all the houses were at the side of lakes, and had boats parked outside. Is this normal for dutch or is it only for rich or weird people?
Probably for the rich

When I flew into amsterdam, i flew over some really cool looking places where all the houses were at the side of lakes, and had boats parked outside. Is this normal for dutch or is it only for rich or weird people?
i know a lot of people with boats, but id they are rich depends on how big those houses were

She's an "actress" who is just really dumb and annoying

she's welcome to annoy the people of Britain at any time, I will be glad to welcome her personally.

she's welcome to annoy the people of Britain at any time, I will be glad to welcome her personally.
NOOOOO, she's not annoying its her job... thats why she's an actress but she aint ugly :P

i know a lot of people with boats, but id they are rich depends on how big those houses were

they looked normal to me. seems pretty cool.

NOOOOO, she's not annoying its her job... thats why she's an actress but she aint ugly :P
even if it is her job she still is annoying... and ugly, but I don't know about that being her job

they looked normal to me. seems pretty cool.
We have some houses ON lakes too

We have some houses ON lakes too
amsterdam is build on uhm palen :P
dont know the english word

But amazingly still manages to look better then Rudi.
this isnt hard, everbody does, :headbang:

We have some houses ON lakes too
swimming houses?

also, is dutch as crap a language as it looks? i mean it looks like "tjeokokeo ootjekojje voetje joojje" and includes the word "ook" which is like the noise an orangutan makes, and you all speak english.

she's welcome to annoy the people of Britain at any time, I will be glad to welcome her personally.
I'll trade you for Cheryl Tweedy.

amsterdam is build on uhm palen :P
dont know the english word
For amsterdam (and many more parts in Holland) to build houses they have to ram big poles in the ground because the ground is too soggy and the houses would sink slowly

For amsterdam (and many more parts in Holland) to build houses they have to ram big poles in the ground because the ground is too soggy and the houses would sink slowly

why do you live there then? in UK those places are called "swamp" and we leave them to the frogs

Why don't they make the lingua franca in The Netherlands English since everyone speaks english or atleast is an Anglophille

swimming houses?

also, is dutch as crap a language as it looks? i mean it looks like "tjeokokeo ootjekojje voetje joojje" and includes the word "ook" which is like the noise an orangutan makes, and you all speak english.
only voetje is a word :D
and ook ...
well its a coowl word :P
nederlanders spreken tenminste ook engels
amerikanen zijn te lam om iets te leren

I'll trade you for Cheryl Tweedy.

as i've never heard of cheryl tweedy, you can keep her

Why don't they make the lingua franca in The Netherlands English since everyone speaks english or atleast is an Anglophille
beceause most of the people speak better dutch than english
and for th other one it is beceause the netherlands is over-populated

swimming houses?

also, is dutch as crap a language as it looks? i mean it looks like "tjeokokeo ootjekojje voetje joojje" and includes the word "ook" which is like the noise an orangutan makes, and you all speak english.
floating houses

tjeokokeo- ootjekojje -voetje----- joojje
no word----no word--little foot---no word

the "oo" in dutch is pronounced as in the English "home"

We all speak english because Holland is just WAY too small (16 million). Almost all of us can speak English and many also know French or German or Spanish

only voetje is a word :D
and ook ...
well its a coowl word :P
nederlanders spreken tenminste ook engels
amerikanen zijn te lam om iets te leren

i have no idea what you just said. oranje voetbol!

swimming houses?

also, is dutch as crap a language as it looks? i mean it looks like "tjeokokeo ootjekojje voetje joojje" and includes the word "ook" which is like the noise an orangutan makes, and you all speak english.

Yeah, and it sounds just like English, too, same inflections and everything, only all jumbled up. And then when you try to be friendly and join in by saying something random in proper English, they look at you like you've just stumbled out of a coffe house and ask if you would like a chocolate brownie.

Oh yeah, that's right, I had just ... .... mmm, chocolate brownies.

floating houses

tjeokokeo- ootjekojje -voetje----- joojje
no word----no word--little foot---no word

the "oo" in dutch is pronounced as in the English "home"

We all speak english because Holland is just WAY too small (16 million). Almost all of us can speak English and many also know French or German or Spanish

I know they aren't words, it's just what dutch looks like to me.

i have no idea what you just said. oranje voetbol!
voetbal...

and if you meant voetbal it means orange soccer

voetbal...

and if you meant voetbal it means orange soccer


but what does "orange soccer" mean?

as i've never heard of cheryl tweedy, you can keep her
http://img20.exs.cx/img20/8336/girlaloudfhmcheryl03.jpg
Oooh!!!! Spanks so much. *grabs Cheryl and pulls her into a dark alley*

http://img20.exs.cx/img20/8336/girlaloudfhmcheryl03.jpg
Oooh!!!! Spanks so much. *grabs Cheryl and pulls her into a dark alley*

she is in girls aloud, which is some kind of cheeky girls type identikit "pop group", so you can keep her twice

the dutch are all wannabe danes anyway :rolleyes:

she is in girls aloud, which is some kind of cheeky girls type identikit "pop group", so you can keep her twice
Thanks.*pulls Cheryl back into the dark alley*

why the american flag... it ruined everything...

the dutch are all wannabe danes anyway :rolleyes:

is this true? what are the distinguishing characteristics of a dane? I've always thought of them as non-distinguished, you know, not as efficient as germans, not as groovy as dutch, not as miserable as swedes, not as arrogant as french, not as boring as belgians. sort of not very anything.

why the american flag... it ruined everything...
Darn. I didn't even notice it. I was preoccupied holding her down.

why the american flag... it ruined everything...

my daughter is nearly 3. she calls the american flag "the donut flag" because she first saw it on the donut stand at our supermarket. Now wherever she goes, if she sees it she shouts "look daddy the donut flag".

I really want to take her to america. Ich bin ein berliner.

is this true? what are the distinguishing characteristics of a dane? I've always thought of them as non-distinguished, you know, not as efficient as germans, not as groovy as dutch, not as miserable as swedes, not as arrogant as french, not as boring as belgians. sort of not very anything.
no thats not true at all :P
dutch are uhm..
i dunno
something like uhm...
they're dutch :D
danes are wannabee vikings :P

my daughter is nearly 3. she calls the american flag "the donut flag" because she first saw it on the donut stand at our supermarket. Now wherever she goes, if she sees it she shouts "look daddy the donut flag".

I really want to take her to america. Ich bin ein berliner.
lol, its kind off the donut-flag beceause they did invent the donut :P

why do you live there then? in UK those places are called "swamp" and we leave them to the frogs

because frogs are cute

lol, its kind off the donut-flag beceause they did invent the donut :P

and because they are a bunch of donuts

is this true? what are the distinguishing characteristics of a dane? I've always thought of them as non-distinguished, you know, not as efficient as germans, not as groovy as dutch, not as miserable as swedes, not as arrogant as french, not as boring as belgians. sort of not very anything.

well, danes are just... the best :D

and why should us danes be efficient when we have the germans to be efficient for us? :eek:

well, danes are just... the best :D

and why should us danes be efficient when we have the germans to be efficient for us? :eek:

bacon. and carlsberg export. that's denmark in a nutshell.

lol, its kind off the donut-flag beceause they did invent the donut :P
I thought it was brough to the new world by Dutch settlers. :D

I thought it was brough to the new world by Dutch settlers. :D
no, the only thing the dutch had were tulps :P

bacon. and carlsberg export. that's denmark in a nutshell.

and its a damn good nutshell, denmark also export butter!

butter (http://www.webwitch.dk/Dit%20helbred/lurpak%20dk.jpg)

and its a damn good nutshell, denmark also export butter!

butter (http://www.webwitch.dk/Dit%20helbred/lurpak%20dk.jpg)

oh yes, the unforgettable Lurpak. Didn't know it was danish. And Danish pastries. So the dane wakes up, fries a stack of bacon in butter, eats it washed down with lager and then finishes off with a danish pastry. You must be a bunch of fat bastards.

I think it is ridiculous to say we should change the official language from Dutch to English, Dutch is the language of our country and should be maintained. The fact we're a "small" language is irrelevant.
Anyone who only knows about the Netherlands being all about weed and "Amsterdam"... shut up... please :)

Wilhelmus van Nassouwe
Ben ick van Duytschen bloet,
Den Vaderlant getrouwe
Blyf ick tot in den doot:
Een Prince van Oraengien
Ben ick vrij onverveert,
Den Coninck van Hispaengien
Heb ick altijt gheeert. :)

not as fat as the dutch (http://www.carlasceramics.com/ceramic-images/Fat-Frog.jpg) frogs from the swamps im afraid

I think it is ridiculous to say we should change the official language from English to Dutch, Dutch is the language of our country and should be maintained. The fact we're a "small" language is irrelevant.
Anyone who only knows about the Netherlands being all about weed and "Amsterdam"... shut up... please :mad:

:mad:
you mean from dutch to english
not really a small language
lots of dialects in dutch
like south africans speak dutch
and belgians
and germans near our border
and a lot of indonesians
and suriname
and the dutch antilles
etc... etc...

Yeah my fault :D

Yeah my fault :headbang:
ohw and PS. the netherlands hasn't got really much more than weed and amsterdam, yes we have tulps and mills and klompen
but thats about it

Most Sout-Africans from Dutch origin speak Afrikaans, not Dutch. Our dialects are declining. I live in Drenthe, I understand the dialect, but do not speak it very well.

Most Sout-Africans from Dutch origin speak Afrikaans, not Dutch. Our dialects are declining. I live in Drenthe, I understand the dialect, but do not speak it very well.
Thats your fault. Take a course that teaches Drents.

Most Sout-Africans from Dutch origin speak Afrikaans, not Dutch. Our dialects are declining. I live in Drenthe, I understand the dialect, but do not speak it very well.
no,
you are dis-informed
poor south africans speak a dialect of dutch
and yes our dialects are declining in the netherlands even frisian (and thats a l;anguage not a dialect)

here a link:
http://users.telenet.be/gaston.d.haese/afrikaans.html

ohw and PS. the netherlands hasn't got really much more than weed and amsterdam, yes we have tulps and mills and klompen
but thats about it
Frikandellen, kroketten, eierballen, stroopwafels, Marko Borsato, Gouda's glorie ketchup etc.....

Frikandellen, kroketten, eierballen, stroopwafels, Marko Borsato, Gouda's glorie ketchup etc.....
you dutch?
eierballen?
but the rest is true
i love frikandellen and krokketen they should have them everywhere in the world
everybody should be able to enjoy the frikadel...

is the stroopwafel a dutch thing?
and ketchup?

I'm South African. My heritage is mostly British/Dutch. The van der Bijls (my granny's family) arrived at the Cape in the 1700s.

I'm South African. My heritage is mostly British/Dutch. The van der Bijls (my granny's family) arrived at the Cape in the 1700s.
http://www.suid-afrika.de/taal.htm

do you speak afrikaans?
i even understood that page :P

Indeed it is said to see Frisian decline, I believe smaller languages should be respected more.
Bramia, thanks for informing me :)
Afrikaans is interesting....

you dutch?
No. But I live here.
eierballen?
Their not?
but the rest is true
i love frikandellen and krokketen they should have them everywhere in the world
everybody should be able to enjoy the frikadel...

is the stroopwafel a dutch thing?
and ketchup?
I think they are.
Ketchup. Ok so it's the America's main ingredient for all their food. But it Gouda's Glorie is a Dutch brand. And may I add it tastes like shit.

no, the only thing the dutch had were tulps :P

That's not true! The tulips were imported from Turkey 4oo years ago.

We invented the CD though and the DVD. :D Invented by Phillips at Eindhoven

Someone sayd to give provinces to Belgium, but i disagree. A part of Belgium should be given to The Netherlands, because it belonged to The Netherlands a long time ago. :p

Frikandellen and kroketten are good, just like bitterballen


I'm Dutch :D

*tries to think up something witty to say*

I would have no problems to see a unity between Vlaanderen and the Netherlands. But I am not sure everyone (especially the Flemish) would support it, and maybe it is simply impractical...
Well...
Oranje Blanje Bleu :p

That's not true! The tulips were imported from Turkey 4oo years ago.

We invented the CD though and the DVD. :D Invented by Phillips at Eindhoven

Someone sayd to give provinces to Belgium, but i disagree. A part of Belgium should be given to The Netherlands, because it belonged to The Netherlands a long time ago. :p
no it didn't belong to the netherlands
the french gave it to the netherlands when they took over both nations
but than belgium and luxemburg wanted they're freedom and nationality back
so they fought a civil war and got it back

but i think its better if the flamish and the netherlands unite
and than waalderen and france unite
the only problem is brussel
de brusselse muur :D

Heinz was the first brand with ketchup. Isn't Heinz from germany? :confused:

but i think its better if the flamish and the netherlands unite
and than waalderen and france unite
the only problem is brussel
de brusselse muur :D

It would be good solution to the language problem in belgium and a good solution to prevent tax-divers that move to Belgium.

Heinz was the first brand with ketchup. Isn't Heinz from germany? :confused:
no, its dutch :P

Ahhhh Germany... our brother and ally :)

Ahhhh Germany... our brother and ally :)
more like our neighbour

Ahhhh Germany... our brother and ally :)

You clearly didn't see the 'Improved Map of Europe' thread - according to that guy they OWN you now. Be afraid!

no it didn't belong to the netherlands
the french gave it to the netherlands when they took over both nations
but than belgium and luxemburg wanted they're freedom and nationality back
so they fought a civil war and got it back
No. The kingdom of the Netherlands with both Belgium and Luxemburgh in it was created after Napoleon was defeated by the British, Prussians, Austrians and Russians.

One of our greatest exports is water management and engineering, flowers and cheese. Our biggest illegal exports is XTC :D

Heinz was the first brand with ketchup. Isn't Heinz from germany? :confused:
No. Pennsylvania.

You clearly didn't see the 'Improved Map of Europe' thread - according to that guy they OWN you now. Be afraid!
i am afraid :P
the second holocaust?

no, its dutch :P

Wel i took the effort to check it with the consumerservice of heinz. here goes;

Ketchup was originally a fishsauce from China and imported by the english. They changed the ingredients and called it ketchup.

Heinz is from Germany (the familyname) and moved to the USA around 1860, there he founded his company and founded the dutch company Heinz in 1869.
At least that says the consumerservice.

Wel i took the effort to check it with the consumerservice of heinz. here goes;

Ketchup was originally a fishsauce from China and imported by the english. They changed the ingredients and called it ketchup.

Heinz is from Germany (the familyname) and moved to the USA around 1860, there he founded his company and founded the dutch company Heinz in 1869.
At least that says the consumerservice.
and again i've learned something :)

Oh, if only we had never been so stupid to trade New Amsterdam (New York) for Suriname :N

Oh, if only we had never been so stupid to trade New Amsterdam (New York) for Suriname :N
correct, we bought it for 60 guilders, now it's worth millions

If you wore a small, peaked hat in Ultrecht or Amsterdam, would you be wearing a Dutch Cap ?

and again i've learned something :)

Yeah me too :D Nice people too at their consumerservice

If you wore a small, peaked hat in Ultrecht or Amsterdam, would you be wearing a Dutch Cap ?

If you lived 300 years ago yes, but now you would be laughed at. :D :P

If you lived 300 years ago yes, but now you would be laughed at. :D :P
maybe if your an ntertainer ;)

Oh, if only we had never been so stupid to trade New Amsterdam (New York) for Suriname :N

Nay, would have lost it during the revolution anyways.

Nay, would have lost it during the revolution anyways.
maybe not, beceause the only thing the dutch had was new amsterdam so they wouldn't join th usa or the southern nations

Ah well, we WOULD have lost it, if it hadn't been back then, we would have with that stupid "Bak ellende" (Balkenende) as our prime-minister..

And Suriname was very good for our economy, we have gained millions of "guilders" there ;)

And also, Heinz is not Dutch, but lot's of us Dutchies think so :P

(Yeah, i'm Dutch, anything wrong with it?) :mp5: :sniper:
BTW, NO I HAVEN'T SMOKED POT (yet) :P

Frikandellen, kroketten, eierballen, stroopwafels, Marko Borsato, Gouda's glorie ketchup etc.....

i assume "Frikandellen" is the equivelent of "Frikadeller" in danish, and so its not just a dutch thing, its eaten in germany, and most of scandinavia too :p

(and yes, they should be exported to everywhere else, cant get them here in UK :( )

i assume "Frikandellen" is the equivelent of "Frikadeller" in danish, and so its not just a dutch thing, its eaten in germany, and most of scandinavia too :p

(and yes, they should be exported to everywhere else, cant get them here in UK :( )
I dunno what a frikadeller is. But I doubt it's the same as frikandellen.

So the government is in the Hague, which is why you call Amsterdam the capital city. Er... why?
Israels capital is also Jeruasalem though its the political centre uses to be Tel Aviv.
Capital and seat of government don´t always fall together.
There was actually a discussion in Germany whether to move the seat of government and parliament to Berlin after it became the official capital again in 1990. It was decided so: but the transfer only took place in 1999.

After all: it is not always the biggest city which is the capital, or the economic centre, or even the political centre. That idea is probably a bit strange for people from a more centralised state, in which the economic centre, the political centre and the capital is one city: London.

i assume "Frikandellen" is the equivelent of "Frikadeller" in danish, and so its not just a dutch thing, its eaten in germany, and most of scandinavia too :p

(and yes, they should be exported to everywhere else, cant get them here in UK :( )

You can get frikadellen in the UK, from Aldi.

You can get frikadellen in the UK, from Aldi.
Is that Aldi-Nord (north) or Aldi-Süd (south)?, hehe

Is that Aldi-Nord (north) or Aldi-Süd (south)?, hehe

no it's a supermarket.

and i know what nord and sud mean.

Do you people not get the joke about the dutch cap?

no it's a supermarket.
I know since I´m from Aldi-country. And that is divided into two parts: Aldi-north and Aldi-south (a supermarket chain divided between the two Albrecht brothers).
So: what is Britain in that: Aldi-north or Aldi-south.
That is my question.

Hey, doesn't South Africa have three capitals?

Hey, doesn't South Africa have three capitals?
As far as I know they have officialy two: Cape Town and Pretoria. Parliament moves every six months from one to the other.
But I think they have another city which is the administrative centre and the seat of the main courts.
Though I´m unaware that this is also counted as a capital.

i assume "Frikandellen" is the equivelent of "Frikadeller" in danish, and so its not just a dutch thing, its eaten in germany, and most of scandinavia too :p

(and yes, they should be exported to everywhere else, cant get them here in UK :( )
http://alsonderupskoledk.cdgcommerce.com/uploads/images/52/Frikadeller.JPG
thats frikadeller

and this is a frikandel:

http://www.devriessnacks.nl/assortiment/frikandelgrof.gif

Don't eat Aldi crap. Beuh, but it is as good as the rest in non eatable things like Toilet paper aso.
In fact I think that the bottem of their pizza's and toiletpaper have the same ingredients.

Yes, we eat toilet paper :p

Don't eat Aldi crap. Beuh, but it is as good as the rest in non eatable things like Toilet paper aso.
In fact I think that the bottem of their pizza's and toiletpaper have the same ingredients.

Yes, we eat toilet paper :p
they have great food, just like euroshopper
tastes exactly the same as all those overly-commercial products

they have great food, just like euroshopper

:p :p :p come on it is the cheapest crap. I would buy a bottle of olive oikl there, not more and what I tasted was real low quality.
Clochardesque stuff.

"bocht van de Naldi" as the Clement Peerens explosition sung.

than you buy the wrong food :p

Okay, 2 questions...

1) What is with the dipping of french fries in mayonnaise thing?

2)Why do so many people hate Rotterdam? In my opinion it's better than Amsterdam and the buildings are cooler!

http://www.suid-afrika.de/taal.htm

do you speak afrikaans?
i even understood that page :P

Yes... well, I can have a conversation as long as it doesn't get too abstract. My family speaks English and I was raised English, but I went to a dual medium primary school.

BTW, anyone know hotkeys to add deeltekens (diaerises) and kappies (carets) to html, etc?

1. it tastes good
2. i dont hate rotterdam, my entire family is from rotterdam :D
i like both amsterdam and rotterdam

Yes... well, I can have a conversation as long as it doesn't get too abstract. My family speaks English and I was raised English, but I went to a dual medium primary school.

BTW, anyone know hotkeys to add deeltekens (diaerises) and kappies (carets) to html, etc?
no i'm already happy that i know:
<a href="http://www.nationstates.net">
but i think that was wrong :P

Don't eat Aldi crap. Beuh, but it is as good as the rest in non eatable things like Toilet paper aso.
In fact I think that the bottem of their pizza's and toiletpaper have the same ingredients.
Not everybody eats frogs though.
Aldi-Süd is better than Aldi-Nord though. That is why I´m asking that.
Aldi is ok. Like Lidl or Penny.
Not everybody wants to spent all his money on food.

Even a Belgian knows Amsterdam is the capital of the Netherlands. Have any of you ever seen a map of the world?

Not everybody eats frogs though.
Aldi-Süd is better than Aldi-Nord though. That is why I´m asking that.
Aldi is ok. Like Lidl or Penny.
Not everybody wants to spent all his money on food.
he means the supermarket aldi :D

Even a Belgian knows Amsterdam is the capital of the Netherlands. Have any of you ever seen a map of the world?
i have... :P
i even know where nauru is... :D :p

As far as I know they have officialy two: Cape Town and Pretoria. Parliament moves every six months from one to the other.
But I think they have another city which is the administrative centre and the seat of the main courts.
Though I´m unaware that this is also counted as a capital.

Pretoria is the main capital. Cape Town is the legislative center and Bloemfontein the judicial center.

Here's the CIA fact book rundown:
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/sf.html

he means the supermarket aldi
I know - the supermarket chain which is divided between the Albrecht brothers: one for Aldi-north, the other for Aldi-south. Aldi-south is better and I´m glad that I live in Aldi-South country.

Not everybody eats frogs though.
Aldi-Süd is better than Aldi-Nord though. That is why I´m asking that.
Aldi is ok. Like Lidl or Penny.
Not everybody wants to spent all his money on food.

Woah! Hey-now! How did you add that diaeresis to Sud?

Woah! Hey-now! How did you add that diaeresis to Sud?
As a German I´ve it on the bord.

Regarding South Africa. According to Harenberg Pretoria is the capital and Cape Town the seat of parliament. Though I´ve heard that they used to move the parliament all six months.
The ANC is not that strong in the Cape Province.
So, they may try to move it more to Pretoria.
Actually the CIA factbook backs that information by saying: "Pretoria; note - Cape Town is the legislative center and Bloemfontein the judicial center"

I know - the supermarket chain which is divided between the Albrecht brothers: one for Aldi-north, the other for Aldi-south. Aldi-south is better and I´m glad that I live in Aldi-South country.
and again i have learned something
i have aldi north :D
and i like it :p

and again i have learned something
i have aldi north :D
and i like it :p
Good for you: I prefer Aldi-south though. It is better and more ordered.
And more succesful. The Albrecht which owns Aldi-South is also the richer brother out of the two if you take a look at the Forbes list.

Good for you: I prefer Aldi-south though. It is better and more ordered.
And more succesful. The Albrecht which owns Aldi-South is also the richer brother out of the two if you take a look at the Forbes list.
i dont care who's richer
i just like aldi beceause its cheap :P

As you can see, the ANC has almost 70% of the vote (which I think is ridiculous) Suport for the ANC is bolstered by its alliance with the COSATU trade union and the South African Communist party. If they were to split away and join up with the more left-aligned groups and the ANC became more moderate, I think there might be a better balance of power... but what do I know :P

communists allies with moderates?
probably not real communists, but traitors...

i dont care who's richer
i just like aldi beceause its cheap :P
I agree with you on that. Though Aldi-South has a bigger variety of food and stuff than Aldi-North.

Glad communism is rare in the Netherlands, except for the few who tend to convinc everyone most people are commies here :D
Also why does the board call me imported_Sozy? My country name is Sozy.

Glad communism is rare in the Netherlands, except for the few who tend to convinc everyone most people are commies here :D
its really popular in eastern netherlands
groningen...
only 5000 communists in the netherlands :rolleyes:
thats beceause the original communist party fused with 2 others in GroenLinks after the fall of thje berlin wall
so no-one in the netherlands actually know what communism really is

You mean Oost-Groningen, seriously how many people do we have there, it is less populated than my area (Drenthe, municipality of Emmen)... I do not understand what you mean Dutch do not know what Communism is.

As you can see, the ANC has almost 70% of the vote (which I think is ridiculous) Suport for the ANC is bolstered by its alliance with the COSATU trade union and the South African Communist party. If they were to split away and join up with the more left-aligned groups and the ANC became more moderate, I think there might be a better balance of power... but what do I know :P
Well, I think the ANC still has the Apartheid-bonus. After all 76 of South Africans are black.
Though the Democratic Party - which formed an alliance with the Zulu party shortly before the last election - gained strength. That may finally led to a reorganisation of the opposition and in the long-run not to a two-party system but to a two-bloc system: ANC versus opposition.
I at least hope so.
The ANC has conducted a pretty moderate policy especially in the economic field that far. Though things are very difficult - South Africa is after all First World and Third World in one country.

You mean Oost-Groningen, seriously how many people do we have there, it is less populated than my area (Drenthe, municipality of Emmen)... I do not understand what you mean Dutch do not know what Communism is.
most people think communism is a dictatorship...
ask a random dutch citizen what communism is
and they will almost always call it a dictatorship

I do not understand what you mean Dutch do not know what Communism is.
Isn't there the Neo Communist party or something?

Yeah well, given the examples from East Berlin and the RAF (which some idiots still support)...
The vast majority of the Dutch believes Nazism is dictatorial, so all Dutch Nazis can say now Dutch do not know what Nazism is??

Isn't there the Neo Communist party or something?
Maybe the NCPN?

Yeah well, given the examples from East Berlin and the RAF (which some idiots still support)...
The vast majority of the Dutch believes Nazism is dictatorial, so all Dutch Nazis can say now Dutch do not know what Nazism is??
actually i know what nazism is beceause i know a phew nazi's and it is a dictatorship but communism is the opposite of a dictatorship

and yes there is the new communist party but almost no-one knows it and they have almost no power

adn yes it is called the ncpn :D

Back to the topic. The Dutch.
I would like to now what ordinary Dutch people realy think about the free use of drugs in the Netherlands?
And about euthanasia?
And about gay marriages?

What is your opinion about the Rote Armee Fraktion?, do you think it is culturally even possible to make the Netherlands possible. There is a big reason why I would like to keep it out, given real-world examples...

most people i know (southern netherlands)
want to legalize drugs and they are pro-gay marriage
and pro-euthenasia
and the phew that dont are christians

What is your opinion about the Rote Armee Fraktion?, do you think it is culturally even possible to make the Netherlands possible. There is a big reason why I would like to keep it out, given real-world examples...
76% of the east germans think that communism is a good idea that is poorly carried out by the former DDR
and the rotte sterre fractione wasn't communist

Back to the topic. The Dutch.
I would like to now what ordinary Dutch people realy think about the free use of drugs in the Netherlands?
All drugs should be tolerated (maybe even legal), softdrugs should be fully legal.
And about euthanasia?
Legalise it! (maybe a few regulations)
And about gay marriages?
In favour of it!!!

Even if this was 76% of the world they would believe it was badly carried out, but the best for what humans can do :)

rotte sterre fractione wasn't communist
...What was the RAF in your opinion.

Even if this was 76% of the world they would believe it was badly carried out, but the best for what humans can do :)

rotte sterre fractione wasn't communist
...What was the RAF in your opinion.
the RAF were terrorists
communists dont attack innosents (see cuba and vietnam)

and you are talking about socialism...
the DDR was socialist
the soviet union was socialist
cuba is socialist
etc... etc...

76% of the east germans think that communism is a good idea that is poorly carried out by the former DDR
and the rotte sterre fractione wasn't communist
I don´t know where you got this numbers from. After all - only about 20% of the East Germans vote the post-communists and about the number you named is voting for the democratic ("capitalists") parties.
The Red Army fraction was a tiny terrorists group which was -fortunately - contained and finally eradicated.
But if you want to discuss German politics why don´t you use that thread?

Yes, more ppl from holland. Nazism simply doesn't work because of the 'dictatorship' part, but neither does communism. The idea behind communism is superb and I personally support the idea. But reality doesn't work the same way as the theory, there are, and always will be, people who want 'just a little bit' more power, more wealth, a higher status etc. It's part of being human everyone want's a little something that makes them 'special' some people do this by helping others, working hard etc. But a minority always has a hunger for power, wealth and status. As long as this 'hunger' exists there will be NO WAY communism works. Since there will always be a minority of people with these desires ruining society, since they don't want to be 'equal'.

I don´t know where you got this numbers from. After all - only about 20% of the East Germans vote the post-communists and about the number you named is voting for the democratic ("capitalists") parties.
The Red Army fraction was a tiny terrorists group which was -fortunately - contained and finally eradicated.
But if you want to discuss German politics why don´t you use that thread?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1197588/posts

i have more sources
if you want them?

Yes, more ppl from holland. Nazism simply doesn't work because of the 'dictatorship' part, but neither does communism. The idea behind communism is superb and I personally support the idea. But reality doesn't work the same way as the theory, there are, and always will be, people who want 'just a little bit' more power, more wealth, a higher status etc. It's part of being human everyone want's a little something that makes them 'special' some people do this by helping others, working hard etc. But a minority always has a hunger for power, wealth and status. As long as this 'hunger' exists there will be NO WAY communism works. Since there will always be a minority of people with these desires ruining the society.
finally someone who knows what communism is :p
this greed is created by the capitalist system
did you hear people complain in the stone-age?
no-one wanted power
but than technology came and people didn't share anymore and it became normal to be greedy and richer than others
and that was communism...

Cuba en Vietnam hebben beiden de mensenrechten geschonden en zijn daar nog steeds mee bezig. Doelde je erop dat ook deze gefaalde Communistische staten waren/zijn?

Cuba en Vietnam hebben beiden de mensenrechten geschonden en zijn daar nog steeds mee bezig. Doelde je erop dat ook deze gefaalde Communistische staten waren/zijn?
nee, ze hebben niet 1 maal de mensenrechten geschonden volgens de VN-strafrecht
maar cuba en vietnam hebben gebruik gemaakt van geurilia oorlog om hun vrijheid te berijken niet van terrorimse
het is ongeveer hetzelfde alleen met terrorisme gebruik je angst en met guerilia gebruik je populariteit

sterker nog de mensen waar ze tegen vochten schonden de mensen rechten (in cuba batista en in vietnam de VS)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1197588/posts

i have more sources
if you want them?
Ooh, an American conservative forum. Kybernetia should feel right at home there.

Your source is very interesting because it says that "in theory" it would be good idea. But theory and reality are two different things and people - also in the East - know that. Thats why only about 20% is voting the post-communist parties. And only 25% say that there are better forms of government than the current democratic (and capitalists) system. That means that about 75% is in favour of the current system.
You misrepresent and misrepresent a poll. If you ask questions in a certain way you get the results you want. But that doesn´t make them true. I call that manipulation.

Ooh, an American conservative forum. Kybernetia should feel right at home there.
it was the first thing i found when i typed 76% of the east germans :D

nee, ze hebben niet 1 maal de mensenrechten geschonden volgens de VN-strafrecht
maar cuba en vietnam hebben gebruik gemaakt van geurilia oorlog om hun vrijheid te berijken niet van terrorimse
het is ongeveer hetzelfde alleen met terrorisme gebruik je angst en met guerilia gebruik je populariteit

Nog een goed punt, kappen mensen met alles een terrorist te noemen. Mensen in Irak die geen amerikanen willen en zo hun land willen verdedigen tegen een door de VN niet goedgekeurde militaire interventie, dat zijn geen terroristen. Dat zijn guerillias en/of rebellen, later kwamen er pas mensen die terroristen genoemd mogen worden, maar eerst niet. En laat iemand eens een definitie van terrorisme geven, zoiets als oorlogshandelingen verrichten terwijl daar geen toestemming voor is verleend door de VN en/of NAVO? Hmmmmz, boel terroristen op deze wereld en dan niet kleine groepjes (ook gehele landen dus(!))

Your source is very interesting because it says that "in theory" it would be good idea. But theory and reality are two different things and people - also in the East - know that. Thats why only about 20% is voting the post-communist parties. And only 25% say that there are better forms of government than the current democratic (and capitalists) system. That means that about 75% is in favour of the current system.
You misrepresent and misrepresent a poll. If you ask questions in a certain way you get the results you want. But that doesn´t make them true. I call that manipulation.
they did not manipulate anything...

nee, ze hebben niet 1 maal de mensenrechten geschonden volgens de VN-strafrecht
maar cuba en vietnam hebben gebruik gemaakt van geurilia oorlog om hun vrijheid te berijken niet van terrorimse
het is ongeveer hetzelfde alleen met terrorisme gebruik je angst en met guerilia gebruik je populariteit

Ga toch zelf na, in hoeverre is het mogelijk om een dergelijke demonstratie -als enekele dagen geleden in Amsterdam- te houden? Wat gebeurd er met degene die een mening heeft anders dan de meerderheid, en zijn dictatoriale leiders? Bovendien tellen Vietnam en Cuba veel bootvluchtelingen, natuurlijk vluchten (de meesten van hen) ze vanwege economische crises... maar is dit niet weer een voorbeeld hoe het communisme -wellicht uitgebrobeerd- mislukt is? In Cuba hebben ze geen privacy wetten die de staat niet mag schenden als dit voor het collectieve goed zou zijn...

Bah, de Amerikanen zijn de echte terroristen.

Nog een goed punt, kappen mensen met alles een terrorist te noemen. Mensen in Irak die geen amerikanen willen en zo hun land willen verdedigen tegen een door de VN niet goedgekeurde militaire interventie, dat zijn geen terroristen. Dat zijn guerillias en/of rebellen, later kwamen er pas mensen die terroristen genoemd mogen worden, maar eerst niet. En laat iemand eens een definitie van terrorisme geven, zoiets als oorlogshandelingen verrichten terwijl daar geen toestemming voor is verleend door de VN en/of NAVO? Hmmmmz, boel terroristen op deze wereld en dan niet kleine groepjes.
de terroristen in irak handelen niet naar de meerderheid van het volk
bijhalve in delen van irak en daar zijn het ook guerilias en worden door het nieuws ook guerilia's genoemd

Ooh, an American conservative forum. Kybernetia should feel right at home there.
We all now that there are some people in the US who think that all Europeans are socialists - communists and/or national socialists?
So, we should not take everything that seriously!

Overigens is een Irakees (maar veelal buitenlandse strijders van de Jihad) wel degelijk een terrrorist wanneer deze Iraakse politie and burger als doel gebruikt...

Ga toch zelf na, in hoeverre is het mogelijk om een dergelijke demonstratie -als enekele dagen geleden in Amsterdam- te houden? Wat gebeurd er met degene die een mening heeft anders dan de meerderheid, en zijn dictatoriale leiders? Bovendien tellen Vietnam en Cuba veel bootvluchtelingen, natuurlijk vluchten (de meesten van hen) ze vanwege economische crises... maar is dit niet weer een voorbeeld hoe het communisme -wellicht uitgebrobeerd- mislukt is? In Cuba hebben ze geen privacy wetten die de staat niet mag schenden als dit voor het collectieve goed zou zijn...
het socialisme is op cuba heel goed gegaan voor jaren tot de val van de muur, toen er geen miljarden meer konden verwachten van de soviet unie

maaruh kmoe slapen :p
dus ik kan deze discussie niet voortzetten

Overigens, mijn excuses. We zijn volgens mij afgedwaald van het onderwerp (was die er eigenlijk wel?)

Mensen toch, daarom zeg ik ook, de EERSTE strijders waren guerillia's/rebellen, DAARNA kwamen de terroristen (voornamelijk uit buurstaten en afgelegen regio's)

So, we should not take everything that seriously!
No. We should worship them right? US El Akbar!!!!!

Back to the Netherlands:
Is there any serious opposition against those things:
I mean against legalising drugs?
Against euthanasia?
Against gay marriages?

Mensen toch, daarom zeg ik ook, de EERSTE strijders waren guerillia's/rebellen, DAARNA kwamen de terroristen (voornamelijk uit buurstaten en afgelegen regio's)
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Toch steunen/helpen de rebellen waar jij het over hebt maar al te graag deze moordende terroristen.

Back to the Netherlands:
Is there any serious opposition against those things:
I mean against legalising drugs?
Against euthanasia?
Against gay marriages?
Just from the Americans.

Back to the Netherlands:
Is there any serious opposition against those things:
I mean against legalising drugs?
Against euthanasia?
Against gay marriages?

I guess a slight stronger opposition then there are Communists in the Netherlands :)... But not too strong, at least not from the people I know :)

No. We should worship them right? US El Akbar!!!!!
Rubbish, I never said that. But we shouldn´t demonise them as you use to do.
And if they talk rubbish - like all of Europe is socialists or has a state-run economy we should and have the right to say that this is simply nonsense - fortunately for us.

Back to the Netherlands:
Is there any serious opposition against those things:
1. I mean against legalising drugs?
2. Against euthanasia?
3. Against gay marriages?

1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Yes

It's not like holland is some kind of freestate where you can do everything you like, but since it's a democracy and the majority voted for the parties accepting these points they are allowed, but there's, and always will be, opposition. And legalising drugs only effects so-called soft-drugs and, by a way they're not fully legalised but usage is allowed and possesion is allowed up to certain ammount for personal usage.

Just from the Americans.
Why are you so obsessed about the United States? I want to talk about the Netherlands here - not the United States.
There are a hell of a lot of threads about the United States - so why don´t you use those for your anti-americanism?

Mensen toch, daarom zeg ik ook, de EERSTE strijders waren guerillia's/rebellen, DAARNA kwamen de terroristen (voornamelijk uit buurstaten en afgelegen regio's)
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Toch steunen/helpen de rebellen waar jij het over hebt maar al te graag deze moordende terroristen.
daar heb je absoluut gelijk in en dat ontken ik ook niet, het is jammer dat mensen in hun strijd om macht vaak te ver doorschieten en daarbij heilgt, volgens sommigen, het doel de middelen. Waar het in het begin om het verdedigen van het land tegen een ongelegimeerde aanval (kofi annan) ging, draaide het, mede door deacties van buitenlandse groepen, uit op een bloedige bende

Why are you so obsessed about the United States? I want to talk about the Netherlands here - not the United States.
There are a hell of a lot of threads about the United States - so why don´t you use those for your anti-americanism?
Cause last year Bush pretty much demanded we should criminalise weed.

1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Yes
It's not like holland is some kind of freestate where you can do everything you like, but since it's a democracy and the majority voted for the parties accepting these points they are allowed, but there's, and always will be, opposition. And legalising drugs only effects so-called soft-drugs and, by a way they're not fully legalised but usage is allowed and possesion is allowed up to certain ammount for personal usage.
What is the position of the christian democrats and of prime minister Balkenende about those issues?
After all: after many years of left-wing domination the Netherlands have more moved to the centre-right now?

Dit klopt, ik ben het met jullie eens dat de Amerikaanse bezetting van Irak niet legitiem is (ik vraag me af of een bezetting dat ooit kan zijn...). Maar de middelen gebruikt in de strijd zijn fout omdat deze ook gebruikt worden tegen Iraakse politie and burgers, die juist beschermd zouden moeten worden, en waarvoor ze in principe zeggen te strijden.

What is the position of the christian democrats and of prime minister Balkenende about those issues?
After all: after many years of left-wing domination the Netherlands have more moved to the centre-right now?

You've got a point there, but it's not really the christian-democrats in power in holland, as most dutch have seen on newsreports by now, the government is, momentarily, dominated by the conservatives. Who oppose most of these opinions, but didn't change these rules, still, a majority supports the views stated above.

What is the position of the christian democrats and of prime minister Balkenende about those issues?
Who cares what that idiot thinks? But so far he didn't do much to undermine them. He was to busy to save the country to exhaustion. Cause he lacked other ideas and is overly obsessed with keeping the 3% deficit rule at all costs.

Cause last year Bush pretty much demanded we should criminalise weed.
Do you mean hash by this? I´m not into drugs and therefore not familiar with those terms - especially not in English. And I don´t think legalisation or decriminalisation is a solution for the drug problem. So yes - I agree with President Bush on that. And with the CSU of Bavaria and the CDU.
But why are you always referring to President Bush. The word is not just president Bush. It is not that the Netherlands is listen to anybody in that respect. Even the UN has criticized the drug policy of the Netherlands. And the Netherlands doesn´t care though.

Mensen, ik ga jullie verlaten... ook voor mij is bedtijd aangekomen :)

Als laatste, wat geeft iemand het recht om te beslissen wat voor producten een individu tot zich neemt???

Mensen, ik ga jullie verlaten... ook voor mij is bedtijd aangekomen :)

truste

Do you mean hash by this?
All forms of soft drugs which are tolerated here.
So yes - I agree with President Bush on that.
Naturally you do. And I wasn't aware there was a problem here because of the soft drugs. Care to elaborate?

goodnight every1 gotta study tomorrow

Who cares what that idiot thinks? But so far he didn't do much to undermine them. He was to busy to save the country to exhaustion. Cause he lacked other ideas and is overly obsessed with keeping the 3% deficit rule at all costs.
Budget discipline is a good thing - otherwise you just cause higher inflation. That is also a "solution" for the problem - since that would devaluate the money and the overspending in social areas would automatically loose value. Doing cuts instead - which has the same results - is of course harder.
Fortunately the ECB is obliged to keep currency stability. That has a disciplining effect and I hope that governments return to budget discipline.
Given the demographic development it is really irresponsible to leave to us - the young generation - and also futher generations such high deficits because we are going to have to pay for this. And we all know that due to the low birth rates few people are going to have to pay for that which is caused as damage today. The US is indeed respect in a different position, since it has got an increasing population.

Als laatste, wat geeft iemand het recht om te beslissen wat voor producten een individu tot zich neemt???
A good question - though that would mean also to legalize hard drugs.
I think we can´t look at that purely from an individualistic perspective.
People who are using drugs loose self-controll. They may need to steel to finance they dependency on the drug. Drugs make people dependent. They lead to a development were people are loosing their free will. And the bring others in danger, by driving cars, by offering them to other, by storing them- which means the threat that others could have get access of them.
We have to stop this development at the begining: and that means NO TO DRUGS. And no tolerance against drug-abuse. People should be helped. But it is no help to allow and thereby encouraging the use of drugs but by helping - and also pushing people - to give up the drugs.

It may not be a solution to legalize all drugs, but a large part of the problem is coused by the fact that it IS illegal.

Becouse it leads to Illegal trades with lage sums of mony, and gangsters. Drugs become expensive, witch leads small criminals(the users who need mony for drugs).
Then there is the fact that no-one checks the quality of the drugs. So you get inpure drugs (junks need to use more to get the same affect, and when they suddently DO have something pure, they die of an overdose). And tere is bad hygene with used needles and such...

You should never close the debate on drugs. The issue is too complex. Saying "NO DRUGS becouse they are bad for you, and because they lead to criminality" does not cut it. A lot of people should be more pragmatic and less idealistic about it.

> "The word is not just president Bush."
Tell that to Bush. Or tell him the world is not just USA, and tell him that everything outside of the USA is more than just a stage, to be adapted for the use of the play called 'American Intrests'

Budget discipline is a good thing - otherwise you just cause higher inflation. That is also a "solution" for the problem - since that would devaluate the money and the overspending in social areas would automatically loose value. Doing cuts instead - which has the same results - is of course harder.
Fortunately the ECB is obliged to keep currency stability. That has a disciplining effect and I hope that governments return to budget discipline.
Did it ever occure to you that a Euro who isn't worth as much as it is now would perhaps be better? Decreased value of the Euro makes our products and services more payebal. And it's not just cutts. It's the complete absence of any other idea what to besides cutts.
The US is indeed respect in a different position, since it has got an increasing population.
*pukes on Kybernetia*

That is true, officially the country is called Nederland, or The Netherlands. I live there

Imp
:d and us flemings prefer holland en hollanders :d ;)

so, do all dutch speak dutch? do flemish speak flem? do belgians speak dutch? you low countries confuse the bijeesus out of me.

Maybe you should make an "ask a german living in holland " thread ?
P.s If they call people from Poland Poles- why dont they call people from holland Holes?
well becuase we call ourself dutch :rolleyes:

Wel i took the effort to check it with the consumerservice of heinz. here goes;

Ketchup was originally a fishsauce from China and imported by the english. They changed the ingredients and called it ketchup.

Heinz is from Germany (the familyname) and moved to the USA around 1860, there he founded his company and founded the dutch company Heinz in 1869.
At least that says the consumerservice.

http://www.heinz.com/jsp/history.jsp

Or you check the company website, and learn that the company started in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, in 1875 after a bankruptcy. In 1896 the first 'overseas' office opened in London. They entered the Dutch market in 1958 after an acquisition.

Heinz is a US corporation.

Ballotonia

A good question - though that would mean also to legalize hard drugs.
I think we can´t look at that purely from an individualistic perspective.
People who are using drugs loose self-controll. They may need to steel to finance they dependency on the drug. Drugs make people dependent. They lead to a development were people are loosing their free will. And the bring others in danger, by driving cars, by offering them to other, by storing them- which means the threat that others could have get access of them.
We have to stop this development at the begining: and that means NO TO DRUGS. And no tolerance against drug-abuse. People should be helped. But it is no help to allow and thereby encouraging the use of drugs but by helping - and also pushing people - to give up the drugs.
you nitwit
drug-crimes are the lowest in the netherlands like compared to the entire world
and i dont give a fuck what the UN thinks about the dutch drug laws beceause the netherlands cant be controlled by some control-freaks...
or something like that :P

http://www.heinz.com/jsp/history.jsp

Or you check the company website, and learn that the company started in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, in 1875 after a bankruptcy. In 1896 the first 'overseas' office opened in London. They entered the Dutch market in 1958 after an acquisition.

Heinz is a US corporation.

Ballotonia
we already knew this :p but thanx for the information

well becuase we call ourself dutch :rolleyes:
beceause holland is only 2 provinces, but we should call ourselves netherlanders or something like that :p

A good question - though that would mean also to legalize hard drugs.
I think we can´t look at that purely from an individualistic perspective.
People who are using drugs loose self-controll. They may need to steel to finance they dependency on the drug. Drugs make people dependent. They lead to a development were people are loosing their free will. And the bring others in danger, by driving cars, by offering them to other, by storing them- which means the threat that others could have get access of them.
We have to stop this development at the begining: and that means NO TO DRUGS. And no tolerance against drug-abuse. People should be helped. But it is no help to allow and thereby encouraging the use of drugs but by helping - and also pushing people - to give up the drugs.
God, your dumb.

Did it ever occure to you that a Euro who isn't worth as much as it is now would perhaps be better? Decreased value of the Euro makes our products and services more payebal. And it's not just cutts. It's the complete absence of any other idea what to besides cutts.
Well, I don´t know Dutch politics. But the discussion: premium modell versus citizen insurance in Germany is more than just about cuts. It is about how the social system has to change in a changing world (less people employed, more people self-employed, other forms of jobs, people who are more often changing jobs). The most important point in this discussion is: How do we cut away the costs of labour from the costs of social security. Because the more expansive labour is (via tax and social security "tax") the less labour is going to remain in the country. And in that respect the premium modell is clearly better, because it complettly cuts away the link between wage and social security payments while the citizen insurance remains this link between wagues and social security payments - it only includes more incomes. So, in the long-term the premium model (like in Switzerland) is more sustainable. The citizen insurance is going to face the same problems as the current model in a few years, since it also means to have more people who can demand services from the insurance. It also kills competition in the health sector and therefore it contains the risk of even higher cost rises.
Regardless of the two models however cuts and reforms are also necessary to decrease the cost - like the reform of 2003 (Praxisgebühr) did. This had positive effects on cost efficency and opened the door to stabilize and partly even to decrease the premiums.
Both needs to be done - but you have to begin somewhere.
I think the reform of the health insurance (premium model/citizen insurance) is going to be a key dispute in 2006 election campaign. It has to be decided through it and after it. Before that it is unrealistic since there is no compromise possible between the two models. It is an either - or decision. And I think that it is good that the two main parties are coming with two clearly different concepts. That is also good for the political culture of the country.


The US is indeed respect in a different position, since it has got an increasing population.
*pukes on Kybernetia*
But it is true. Today there are 82 million Germans. In 2030 there are between 76 to 80 million. And in 2050 only about 70 million.
The US population is still rising. From 260 million in the early 1990s to about 300 million at the end of this decade, to more than 400 million within the first half of the 21 rst century.
Dept needs to be measured relatively - compared to the GDP. And compared to the population.
A country with a growing population and economy (like the US) can afford to take more depth than a country with a stagnating economy and a declining population (like Germany).
That is the reality. Sorry, but your anti-americanism doesn´t change this facts. We have to pull ourselves together - otherwise our social security system is going to collapse. That is the reality - and because of that cuts are necessary to prevent the collapse, which would be unavoidable otherwise.

you nitwit
drug-crimes are the lowest in the netherlands like compared to the entire world
and i dont give a fuck what the UN thinks about the dutch drug laws beceause the netherlands cant be controlled by some control-freaks...
or something like that :P
So, you agree with Presiden Bushs judgement on the UN, do you?

:d and us flemings prefer holland en hollanders :d ;)
Whom? Den fliegenden Holländer - the flying hollander.

Srry but can someone tell me what IS arrogant:
We Dutch decide about our OWN drugs policy.
The UN, overwhelmingly influenced by the US is against it and the US puts pressure on us to stop making our own laws.

Well pick one.
Once again we should legalise Drugs fully.

Srry but can someone tell me what IS arrogant:
We Dutch decide about our OWN drugs policy.
The UN, overwhelmingly influenced by the US is against it and the US puts pressure on us to stop making our own laws.Well pick one. Once again we should legalise Drugs fully.

Interestingly the US feels the same way about the UN. As an instrument of others to force their will on it. That this doesn´t work was shown during the Iraq dispute.
That the US is dominating the UN is just nonsense. The UN is dominated by its permanent members, which are the US, Britain, France, Russia and China.
The US is not dominating it, although they are the most powerful country of the world.
Probably the UN would work better if it was more dominated by the US, though.
But that won´t happen anyway due to the Veto rights.
The UN is pretty irrelevant anyway.
I see that you, I and President Bush agree on that, though.

So, you agree with Presiden Bushs judgement on the UN, do you?
no, but that was spomething the UN is created for, and not for other nations drugs-policies
in bushes case its foreign policies and an entire war
thats really different from legal drugs use
and legalizing drugs has been proven to be more effective than illegalizing it in the war against drugs

Interestingly the US feels the same way about the UN. As an instrument of others to force their will on it. That this doesn´t work was shown during the Iraq dispute.
That the US is dominating the UN is just nonsense. The UN is dominated by its permanent members, which are the US, Britain, France, Russia and China.
The US is not dominating it, although they are the most powerful country of the world.
Probably the UN would work better if it was more dominated by the US, though.
But that won´t happen anyway due to the Veto rights.
The UN is pretty irrelevant anyway.
I see that you, I and President Bush agree on that, though.
ur probably an american are you... :p
lol, i dont know any dutch citizen (not much) wo want to make drugs illegal...

ur probably an american are you... :p
lol, i dont know any dutch citizen (not much) wo want to make drugs illegal...
No, I´m German.
And I want that drugs remain illegal.
The Netherlands are undermining this legal concept with their unilateral drug policy. That is a problem.
Though since I´m in favour of national sovereignity I´ve of course to respect the Dutch decision to legalize drugs, although I disagree with it.
And I also have to respect the decisions of the US - regardless whether I agree or disagree with them. It is a national issue for what the US is using its own military.

No, I´m German.
And I want that drugs remain illegal.
The Netherlands are undermining this legal concept with their unilateral drug policy. That is a problem.
Though since I´m in favour of national sovereignity I´ve of course to respect the Dutch decision to legalize drugs, although I disagree with it.
And I also have to respect the decisions of the US - regardless whether I agree or disagree with them. It is a national issue for what the US is using its own military.
are you aware of the fact that the netherlands has less drug-addicts than every country in the world except for the ones who cant afford drugs :rolleyes:

are you aware of the fact that the netherlands has less drug-addicts than every country in the world except for the ones who cant afford drugs :rolleyes:
No, I´m not. And I´m unaware how you measure that anyway. The Netherlands is a hot spot of drug tourism from all over Europe. That is a fact. With its policy the Netherlands is undermining the drug policy of other countries.

No, I´m not. And I´m unaware how you measure that anyway. The Netherlands is a hot spot of drug tourism from all over Europe. That is a fact. With its policy the Netherlands is undermining the drug policy of other countries.
that wouldn't be if every nation legalized it

its like cigarets and beer, its bad for you, but a lot of people do it
so why make it illegal?

but i think its better if the flamish and the netherlands unite
and than waalderen and france unite
the only problem is brussel
de brusselse muur :D
I'm from Belgium and I like the tought of a fusion of Begium and the Netherlands.
Ik don't think Belgium should be divided. It's already small and it's unique government-system is an example for many other countries.
sorry fot this
carry on dutchies.

yes, maybe the entire benelux should fuse together
and than we call it...
the benelux :p (how original)

I was told by a man named VanderFries that the Frisians are to the Dutch what the Dutch are to the rest of the world: smarter, wealthier, and more stubborn.

What do you say?

I was told by a man named VanderFries that the Frisians are to the Dutch what the Dutch are to the rest of the world: smarter, wealthier, and more stubborn.

What do you say?
not wealthier, they'r not smarter, nobody is smarter than anybody, saying that makes you stupid :p so not smarter...
stubborn, yes :D

that wouldn't be if every nation legalized it
No. With that demand you are trying to inforce your drug policy on others. And with your policy you are undermining the drug policy of others.
You should at least make shure that foreign nationals don´t get drugs. Otherwise you are violating the national sovereignity of others to conduct their drug policy.

its like cigarets and beer, its bad for you, but a lot of people do it
so why make it illegal?
So, because not all bad things are illegal everything should be legal?
Sorry, I don´t agree with that logic.

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Just give me one good reason why soft(!)drugs should not be legalised, while alcohol is?

:)

Just give me one good reason why soft(!)drugs should not be legalised, while alcohol is?
Because it makes it easier to get drugs. And to begin using "soft" drugs could be a start. Later people may use harder drugs.

Many studies (google) have shown marijuana is not the gateway drug some people like to believe it is.
Also, with legalising the softdrugs, you instantly create a "hard barrier" between soft- and harddrugs, making dealing with the latter a whole lot easier, and getting it a lot harder.
Add to that, that generally speaking, alcohol causes a lot more damage, both to the "user"'s body and society and although it's (semi)-legal to buy it here, we're having less "users" than most "similar" (excuse my lacking vocabulaire, I'm stoned ;) ) western countries.

The only "problem" Holland is causing on global level regarding to drugs, is our massive export of XTC pills, which has nothing to do with our "liberal" softdrug policy.