NationStates Jolt Archive

Tell us yer favourites!
My top 20 are;

1) The Exploited (UK)
2) Agathocles (Belgium)
3) Draft Dodger (Australia)
4) Bewilderbomb (Australia)
5) The Collapse (Australia)
6) Totalitar (EU)
7) UK Subs (UK)
8) Kradj (Sweden)
9) The Disables (Australia)
10) Chineapple Punx (UK)
11) Against Me (USA)
12) Dead Kennedys (USA)
13) Clusterbombunit (Germany)
14) Viiemeinen Kolonna (Finland)
15) Karma (Belgium?)
16) Okotta (Belgium)
17) The Violators (UK)
18) The Destructors (UK)
19) Godnose (Australia)
20) The Birthday Party (Australia)

I love the Destructors; "They say it's against the law/ I know that/ but not sure/ so I thought I'd live it a whirl/ I'll have sex with an under-age girl" musical masterpiece. I 'spose you yankee pigs won't know any of our neo-British Australian bands. If you're just going t waste time listing boring bands like Pennywise, Bad Religion, Millencolin, All, Pulley and The Bouncing Souls, don't. They're worthless and California punk... well... isn't. Tell me about *real* punk bands, political and vegan and all that. God, I'm bored.

Christina

Man, so many! The Expelled are awesome too! And Dick Nasty... and Bloodthirsty System... and The Samples... and the old Misfits... and Rambo... and half a million Japanese bands... and....

Sex Pistols
Clash
Dead Kennedys
New York Dolls
Ramones (RIP Johnny :()
Drop Kick Murphys
Misfits
Suicidal Tendancies
Melt Banana
Genbaku Onanies
T.S.O.L
Rancid
SNFU

And a whole lot more...

does that meanpunk as in older bands or modern bands like good charlotte, blink 182

does that mean punk as in older bands or modern bands like good charlotte, blink 182
Well no, because blink 182 are shit and not punk. Just a bunch of stupid preppy white boys making shit music, ripping off good punk bands from yesteryear.
Of the top of my head (in order of preference):

Clash
Damned
Toy Love
Buzzcocks
Iggy Pop and the Stooges
Stiff Little Fingers
Gang of Four
The Jam
Wire
Stranglers
UK Subs
Siouxsie and the Banshees
Angelic Upstarts
Slaughter & the Dogs

A few that haven't been mentioned yet...

Bombscare
Black Flag
Pennywise
Backfire
The Partisans (Absolutely awesome)
Bad Brains
Minor Threat
Anti-Flag (Don't love them, but they're alright...)
Angelic Upstarts
Stiff Little Fingers
Discharge
The Deviates
Inside Out

Eh, all I can think of right now...not all my favourites though, because like I said, half of them have already been mentioned.

Though the best punk band ever was definitely the Dead Kennedys :)

Anti-Flag
The Ataris
Bad Religion
The Clash
Dead Kennedys
Dropkick Murphys
Flogging Molly
Green Day
Mad Caddies
No Use For A Name
NOFX
The Offspring (older stuff)
Op Ivy
Rancid
The Ramones
The Vandals

They're my favs.

Blink 182 fans :sniper:

Dead Kennedys
NOFX
Rise Against
A Wilheim Scream
Propagandhi
Good Riddance
MxPx
The Descendents
The Vandals
The Suicide Machines

does that meanpunk as in older bands or modern bands like good charlotte, blink 182

No. It means punk as opposed to pop crap like that.
:mp5:

does that meanpunk as in older bands or modern bands like good charlotte, blink 182
Just FYI, admitting you like Blink 182 or Dave Matthews Band = "I'm still in the closet, but I'm sending out a message anyway."
Or a woman. Lotta girls like Blink's old, supposedly funny stuff.

Edit: Forgot to list...
I'm a fan of the Minneapolis Trinity, so The Replacements & Soul Asylum up to GDU.
Smashing Pumpkins
Soundgarden

And they may be pop, but 3EB's self-titled CD is still a work of art. Curl into a fetal position and kill yourself music, if you really listen to the lyrics, but art nonetheless.

Speaking of, what are the odds that the drummer would be the LAST one to die?

a la ramones.

and hey! Dave Matthews is good if you're stoned.

Speaking of, what are the odds that the drummer would be the LAST one to die?

and hey! Dave Matthews is good if you're stoned.

The last Original one to die.
The drummer who replaced him, and the one who replaced him are still around...
So, all the drummers are still kicking, but the rest are all dead.


& I'll conceed on the "stoned" part, but I still stand by my comment.

Any Levellers fans here? That's folk-punk; fiddle, banjo, dreadlocks, mohawks, and of course a wee bit of Anarchy

Any Levellers fans here? That's folk-punk; fiddle, banjo, dreadlocks, mohawks, and of course a wee bit of Anarchy
*Raises his hand.* The Mekons were good too. (They've a compilation just out.)

Any Levellers fans here? That's folk-punk; fiddle, banjo, dreadlocks, mohawks, and of course a wee bit of Anarchy

Yep

Also...

The Pogues
Chumbawumba
Dead Kennedy's
Buzzcocks
Sex Pistols
The Clash
The Hives

I can't believe CRASS haven't been mentioned yet.

And I'm going to go ahead and count Refused as a punk band.

The last Original one to die.
The drummer who replaced him, and the one who replaced him are still around...
So, all the drummers are still kicking, but the rest are all dead.



...apart from CJ Ramone and Ritchie Ramone* both of whom played bass in the band.


* not 'Richie', he was a different person.

Finally, a thread where people know their arse from their elbow when it comes to punk!

The Exploited would go top of my list too. I love old stuff like Anti-Nowhere League, Peter and the Test Tube Babies, Stiff Little Fingers, Chron Gen, Blitz, The Dictators, Sticky Filth... Someone mentioned Toy Love, so there's obviously another Kiwi here somewhere.

I can't believe CRASS haven't been mentioned yet.



Or The Pop Group.

How quickly people forget the greats :headbang:

The last Original one to die.
The drummer who replaced him, and the one who replaced him are still around...
So, all the drummers are still kicking, but the rest are all dead.


& I'll conceed on the "stoned" part, but I still stand by my comment.

Marky Replaced Tommy
Both are still alive.

Yep

Also...

The Pogues
Chumbawumba
Dead Kennedy's
Buzzcocks
Sex Pistols
The Clash
The Hives

in a similar vein, attila the stockbroker(political)
the real mckenzies(celt punk)
and don't forget shane macgowan and the popes

in a different vien, blood for blood(well slightly celtic, kinda oi, street core from boston)

Someone mentioned Toy Love, so there's obviously another Kiwi here somewhere.

Never mind them, if you want to talk Kiwi punk, lets talk about the Gordons...

80s:
Descendents
Black Flag
Dead Kennedys
minor threat
buzzcocks

90s/2000s:
Drop Kick Murphys (although I don't care for their last album)
Swinggin udders
refused
sick of it all (watch their video "the district." In it the trade center collapses, and the devil rises out of the ashes - and it was made in 2000)
boy sets fire (after the eulogy is great)
avail
showcase showdown
propagahndi

Dead Kennedys are probably me favourite, but I like a selection of differing styles: Oi Pollo, Minor Threat, Op Ivy, Black Flag, US Bombs, Five Knuckle, Refused, Rancid (but only really ...And Out Come the Wolves, Lets Go and Rancid 2000), Howard's Alias, Agnostic Front, MC5 (are they punk?...), Capdown all do it for me.

Haven't seen a good new punk-rock band in a wee while, though there's some good skacore bands on the British scene at the mo.

11) Against Me (USA)

yay against me!

and boo guy from rise against's girlfriend. though the guy himself seemed pretty cool.

refused

so what do you think of the (international) noise conspiracy?

Bad Brains, Gogol Bordello

so what do you think of the (international) noise conspiracy?

Sorry to nick a question from another, but I like 'em! Not as good as Refused, but you can still hear the originality, fire and passion behind Dennis Lyxzen's music.

hey how about ska too?

specials
madness
bosstones
less than jake (old)
mustard plug
streetlight manifesto
the toasters
big d an the kids table
mad caddies
the hippoes
kicked in the head
reel big fish
voodo glow skulls


ps. anyone heard of the vanilla village villans?

Most of the good ones are long gone, but...

X
The Clash
Dead Kennedys
Crass
Nirvana (I don't care what you say, grunge was the last gasp of punk rock)
Against Me!
Anything Henry Rollins was ever involved in
Death by Stereo
Misfits
Johnny Thunders and the Heartbreakers
The Stooges
Buzzcocks
MC5
Talking Heads (new wave, schmew wave. they were cool)
Television
Richard Hell and the Voidoids
The Saints (Aus. ones)
Bad Brains
Social Distortion
The Circle Jerks

so what do you think of the (international) noise conspiracy?

depends on my mood...and i'll listen to INC when there are people over; not everyone can deal with refused.

Man, so many! The Expelled are awesome too! And Dick Nasty... and Bloodthirsty System... and The Samples... and the old Misfits... and Rambo... and half a million Japanese bands... and....

i believe it's Dag Nasty, but yeah it's said like Dick Nasty doesn't it

I think The Business should be mentioned somewhere in there...

Crucifucks
The Broadways
The Toy Dolls

And while were mentioning ska and its combination with punk;

Leftover Crack
Choking Victim
Mephiskapheles

Bands that should probably be mentioned in this thread.

I guess a lot of these are ska or hardcore, but here goes:

Distillers
Misfits
Cosmic Psychos
The Hardons
Samhain
Black Flag
Sex Pistols
The Saints
The Clash
Ramones
Suicidal Tendencies
DRI
Rancid
The Stooges
The Jam
The Stranglers
The Everdead
Killing Joke
The Pogues
Reel Big Fish
Goldfinger
Madness
MC5
The Circle Jerks
Husker Du

The Misfits are the greatest American Punk Band Ever.
Also, the most under-rated.

They arent even mentioned in Rolling Stones "Encyclopedia of Rock and Roll."


*The Misfits without Glenn Danzig, isnt the Misfits.

I saw the Misfits a few years back with the new singer, and while he was no Glenn, they still pumped live. :)

IMHO, the Misfits are probably the most seminal hardcore-punk band ever...

I saw the Misfits with Michael Graves, three years ago, in Pontiac.
It was okay, but the guy was no Glenn.

i believe it's Dag Nasty, but yeah it's said like Dick Nasty doesn't it


Ummm.... noooo. Dick Nasty is an Australian band. I don't give a stuff about Dag nasty.

You're all poseurs! Heed these words of wisdom---

1st stage of becoming a punk---
-you like the Sex Pistols, The Clash, Dead Kennedys, the Misfits and California Punk. You wear loads and loads of badges. You call yourself an anarchist, but don't know what it means. You wear a cap and cargo pants and sneakers.

2nd Stage---
-you like Crass, you go to your first shows but hover silently in the corner trying to be seen. You have a Sex Pistols t-shirt on. You get into other 1977 bands, like X-Ray Spex, Richard Hell, the Ramones and The Adverts. You get your first pair of Doc Martins and start spitting everywhere.

3rd Stage---
-you come to despise California punk and become a REAL anarchist... maybe you even reject anarchy and become a Marxist! You listen to European hardcore and don't even look twice at the junk which comes from Western US. You learn about DIY, and come into posession of bondage pants. You get the courage to talk to other people (gasp) at shows, and realise they're very nice. You learn to play pool and you lose your foolish obsession with sex. You mail order and listen to bands like Agathocles, Disrespect, State of Fear, Iskra, Doom and all the old 1982 UK bands. You have not yet changed your hair colour and you strangely seem to believe this is necessay. You only spit when necessary.

4th stage---
-you quit dressing up. By this stage, of course, the jacket and other clothes are your ONLY clothes and they seem completely normal to you, although you'll find that whenever you walk into a shop the security guards watch only you. You steal stuff, become a vegan, get rid of your docs and try to find a non-leather substitute. You join an anarcist federation or some other sort of socialist group. You read Kropotkin, Chomsky and Proudhon. You idolise Emma Goldman. You help organise gigs and you might even be in a band.

-I'm at the stage where I'm semi-homeless, rejected by most of my old friends because I've come to see how fake they are, I've got 9 close friends who I see everyday and do everything with and I haven't got a job. I haven't seen the Simpsons in 4 and a half years.

Christina

not everyone can deal with refused.

how very true. though those people are a mystery to me.

Ummm.... noooo. Dick Nasty is an Australian band. I don't give a stuff about Dag nasty.

You're all poseurs! Heed these words of wisdom---

1st stage of becoming a punk---
-you like the Sex Pistols, The Clash, Dead Kennedys, the Misfits and California Punk. You wear loads and loads of badges. You call yourself an anarchist, but don't know what it means. You wear a cap and cargo pants and sneakers.

2nd Stage---
-you like Crass, you go to your first shows but hover silently in the corner trying to be seen. You have a Sex Pistols t-shirt on. You get into other 1977 bands, like X-Ray Spex, Richard Hell, the Ramones and The Adverts. You get your first pair of Doc Martins and start spitting everywhere.

3rd Stage---
-you come to despise California punk and become a REAL anarchist... maybe you even reject anarchy and become a Marxist! You listen to European hardcore and don't even look twice at the junk which comes from Western US. You learn about DIY, and come into posession of bondage pants. You get the courage to talk to other people (gasp) at shows, and realise they're very nice. You learn to play pool and you lose your foolish obsession with sex. You mail order and listen to bands like Agathocles, Disrespect, State of Fear, Iskra, Doom and all the old 1982 UK bands. You have not yet changed your hair colour and you strangely seem to believe this is necessay. You only spit when necessary.

4th stage---
-you quit dressing up. By this stage, of course, the jacket and other clothes are your ONLY clothes and they seem completely normal to you, although you'll find that whenever you walk into a shop the security guards watch only you. You steal stuff, become a vegan, get rid of your docs and try to find a non-leather substitute. You join an anarcist federation or some other sort of socialist group. You read Kropotkin, Chomsky and Proudhon. You idolise Emma Goldman. You help organise gigs and you might even be in a band.

-I'm at the stage where I'm semi-homeless, rejected by most of my old friends because I've come to see how fake they are, I've got 9 close friends who I see everyday and do everything with and I haven't got a job. I haven't seen the Simpsons in 4 and a half years.

Christina

Hmmmmm... it seems so strict and hard to be a punk, full of all these rules...

Screw it, I'm going emo.

*turns off the lights and cries*

The new [I]NC album sucks. It's nothing compared to A New Morning...
They should split now that they have become stagnant!

Conflict

The Oppressed

Blaggers ITA

The Angelic Upstarts

New Model Army

Flux of Pink Indians

Blind Mole Rat

Will the Brits chuck things at me if I mention Carter USM?

Did any of you know the pogues drummer started out with only a snare and a floortom?

Not mentioned (I think):
Hatebreed
Ikara Colt
Alice in Chains (if grunge is punk, nirvana was mentioned earlier)
The Hives
Stickleback

Hatebreed = fat nazis.

Sex Pistols
Clash
Dead Kennedys
New York Dolls
Ramones (RIP Johnny :()
Drop Kick Murphys
Misfits
Suicidal Tendancies
Melt Banana
Genbaku Onanies
T.S.O.L
Rancid
SNFU

And a whole lot more...

Ah yes!, The classics from my days. Man I felt most alive then....

But Damn it! You forgot good ol' Iggy Pop! ;)

I hate Sex Pistols. Mind-numbingly over-rated.

The Ramones = 35 albums of the same song.

I hate Sex Pistols. Mind-numbingly over-rated.

The Ramones = 35 albums of the same song.
Respect the ramones! They taught the world you don't need solos!

Fun anekdote about the Ramones:
At one time they decided to make their shows shorter to play the songs faster. This got way out of hand until they played entire sets of 20 songs in 23 minutes.

Alice in Chains (if grunge is punk, nirvana was mentioned earlier)


Nirvana I can sort-of understand, but I wouldn't label AiC punk.

Oh yeah, have AFI been mentioned? They're not bad.

Not bad at all!

Johnny Ramone was a Republican. Ugh.


Johnny Ramone: Rebel in a rebel's world
By Steve Miller
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

....He was a rebel in a rebel's world, though. Johnny Ramone was a fiercely Republican-voting, NRA-supporting musician in a milieu that is remarkable for its embrace of all things left.
Johnny went worldwide public with his partisanship in 2002, when the Ramones were inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. At the microphone to give props to the people who made it all possible, he offered his own version of a Michael Moore moment.
"God bless President Bush, and God bless America," he said, clad in his trademark T-shirt, ripped blue jeans and leather jacket.
"I said that to counter those other speeches at the other awards," Mr. Ramone says in a phone interview. "Republicans let this happen over and over, and there is never anyone to stick up for them. They spend too much time defending themselves." ......

So not cool. Apparently he got pissed off with the other Ramones when they wanted to sing anti-Reagan songs, and he would tell off other rockers who burned American flags and stuff like that.

Plus I don't think he was anything special as a guitarist

Plus I don't think he was anything special as a guitarist

Name me one (1) guitarist that played the way he did prior to then hearing the first Ramones LP.

Well no, because blink 182 are shit and not punk. Just a bunch of stupid preppy white boys making shit music, ripping off good punk bands from yesteryear.
Of the top of my head (in order of preference):
Yes they are punk, old people just can't accept it. The same as that your parents probably didn't think that your music was 'real music'. Old people only want the music from their own generation. They can't deal with changes because they don't like the new sound of the new generation. But those bands are punk, they just aren't old skool.

AFI ,post sell-out. (not big puck fan)

I can't believe no-one's mentioned The Cure!

Quit wasting your time.

Viking metal and power metal all the way!

i like punk and ska so heres my top 10 of both


ska
big d and the kids table
catch 22
streetlight manifesto
reel big fish
the planet smashers
the aquabats
the slackers
operation ivy
suicide machines
$5 bucks

punk
rancid
kicked in the head
dropkick murphys
the exploited
ramones
the clash
joy division
river city rebels
bouncing souls
social distortion

To address two issues brought up in this thread.
1. Blink 182 and Good Charlotte are, on a technicality, punk. It's just that people who don't know punk claim they are great and that they themselves are punk. I believe this is what, to borrow a term from some skater kids I once saw on tv, "Posing" is. They are relegated to the genre of Pop/Punk, which was created by the corporations and doesn't exist except for a de facto belief that it does. Anyways...
2. It is possible to be/like punk and be conservative. There are quite a few conservatives in the punk scene, they just aren't very vocal about it and bands that are deemed "Anti-Bush" or some such, usually have one member that hates Republicans/Bush/Conservatives and the rest of which whom couldn't care less one way or another. I don't have the stats, but voting among those deemed punk is probably low. After all, if you are a "Stage 4 punk" as deemed by Mora Tau (which is complete and total BS) then you don't participate in the voting process due to the fact that it is too "governmental."

I can't believe no-one's mentioned The Cure!
The Cure are pop - possibly new romantic, definitely NOT punk...

...funniest album review I ever read described Robert Smith as a "fat, bloated, gothic Krusty the Klown"...:p

The Cure are pop - possibly new romantic, definitely NOT punk...

I think "goth" would be a more appropriate epithet.

Hmmmmm... it seems so strict and hard to be a punk, full of all these rules...

Screw it, I'm going emo.

*turns off the lights and cries*

LoL!

I actually really like Emo right now, well, for the past 6-12 months.

I don't mind the flaming, I'm gonna name but a few...
...hell, maybe someone will join in :P

Taking Back Sunday
Brand New
The Radio Years (unsigned)
Dashboard Confessional
Cursive
Homegrown

That'll do.

does that meanpunk as in older bands or modern bands like good charlotte, blink 182
Haha. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Good Charlotte, punk? There are plenty of modern punk bands, but those aren't them.

LoL!

I actually really like Emo right now, well, for the past 6-12 months.

I don't mind the flaming, I'm gonna name but a few...
...hell, maybe someone will join in :P

Taking Back Sunday
Brand New
The Radio Years (unsigned)
Dashboard Confessional
Cursive
Homegrown

That'll do.

Brand New? Emo? What?
Most of those are indie pop, thank you very much...(bit rough here, but isn't what is called 'screamo' technically emo)

skrewdriver
rahowa(before they sold out)
brutal attack
odin's law
midtown booyboys
max resist
no remorse
day of the sword
hellstomper

Dropkick Murphy's Floggin' Molly etc.

Anti-Flag
The Ataris
Bad Religion
The Clash
Dead Kennedys
Dropkick Murphys
Flogging Molly
Green Day
Mad Caddies
No Use For A Name
NOFX
The Offspring (older stuff)
Op Ivy
Rancid
The Ramones
The Vandals

They're my favs.

Blink 182 fans :sniper:



Fuck man!!! That the shit!!! 80's kid!!!

skrewdriver
rahowa(before they sold out)
brutal attack
odin's law
midtown booyboys
max resist
no remorse
day of the sword
hellstomper
Wait a sec you like racist bands?

Wait a sec you like racist bands?

i prefer the term racialist myself

Call 'em what the will but the message is clear.

Call 'em what the will but the message is clear.

granted subtlety is not their strong suit.

Well yeah. They're worse than rap. On the sublelty thing.

Well yeah. They're worse than rap. On the sublelty thing.

probably because there are white rappers, but black white power bands are really rare.

Ummm.... noooo. Dick Nasty is an Australian band. I don't give a stuff about Dag nasty.

You're all poseurs! Heed these words of wisdom---

1st stage of becoming a punk---
-you like the Sex Pistols, The Clash, Dead Kennedys, the Misfits and California Punk. You wear loads and loads of badges. You call yourself an anarchist, but don't know what it means. You wear a cap and cargo pants and sneakers.

2nd Stage---
-you like Crass, you go to your first shows but hover silently in the corner trying to be seen. You have a Sex Pistols t-shirt on. You get into other 1977 bands, like X-Ray Spex, Richard Hell, the Ramones and The Adverts. You get your first pair of Doc Martins and start spitting everywhere.

3rd Stage---
-you come to despise California punk and become a REAL anarchist... maybe you even reject anarchy and become a Marxist! You listen to European hardcore and don't even look twice at the junk which comes from Western US. You learn about DIY, and come into posession of bondage pants. You get the courage to talk to other people (gasp) at shows, and realise they're very nice. You learn to play pool and you lose your foolish obsession with sex. You mail order and listen to bands like Agathocles, Disrespect, State of Fear, Iskra, Doom and all the old 1982 UK bands. You have not yet changed your hair colour and you strangely seem to believe this is necessay. You only spit when necessary.

4th stage---
-you quit dressing up. By this stage, of course, the jacket and other clothes are your ONLY clothes and they seem completely normal to you, although you'll find that whenever you walk into a shop the security guards watch only you. You steal stuff, become a vegan, get rid of your docs and try to find a non-leather substitute. You join an anarcist federation or some other sort of socialist group. You read Kropotkin, Chomsky and Proudhon. You idolise Emma Goldman. You help organise gigs and you might even be in a band.

-I'm at the stage where I'm semi-homeless, rejected by most of my old friends because I've come to see how fake they are, I've got 9 close friends who I see everyday and do everything with and I haven't got a job. I haven't seen the Simpsons in 4 and a half years.

Christina


Congrats, you have no life!

I saw the Misfits in concert. Actually it was Marky Ramone on the drums, Dez Cadena from Black Flag on guitar, and Jerry Only on bass and vocals. It was really fucking awesome. Three people from three punk legends all in front of me.

DEATH TO EMO

(RIP Johnny)

Ummm.... noooo. Dick Nasty is an Australian band. I don't give a stuff about Dag nasty.

You're all poseurs! Heed these words of wisdom---

1st stage of becoming a punk---
-you like the Sex Pistols, The Clash, Dead Kennedys, the Misfits and California Punk. You wear loads and loads of badges. You call yourself an anarchist, but don't know what it means. You wear a cap and cargo pants and sneakers.

2nd Stage---
-you like Crass, you go to your first shows but hover silently in the corner trying to be seen. You have a Sex Pistols t-shirt on. You get into other 1977 bands, like X-Ray Spex, Richard Hell, the Ramones and The Adverts. You get your first pair of Doc Martins and start spitting everywhere.

3rd Stage---
-you come to despise California punk and become a REAL anarchist... maybe you even reject anarchy and become a Marxist! You listen to European hardcore and don't even look twice at the junk which comes from Western US. You learn about DIY, and come into posession of bondage pants. You get the courage to talk to other people (gasp) at shows, and realise they're very nice. You learn to play pool and you lose your foolish obsession with sex. You mail order and listen to bands like Agathocles, Disrespect, State of Fear, Iskra, Doom and all the old 1982 UK bands. You have not yet changed your hair colour and you strangely seem to believe this is necessay. You only spit when necessary.

4th stage---
-you quit dressing up. By this stage, of course, the jacket and other clothes are your ONLY clothes and they seem completely normal to you, although you'll find that whenever you walk into a shop the security guards watch only you. You steal stuff, become a vegan, get rid of your docs and try to find a non-leather substitute. You join an anarcist federation or some other sort of socialist group. You read Kropotkin, Chomsky and Proudhon. You idolise Emma Goldman. You help organise gigs and you might even be in a band.

-I'm at the stage where I'm semi-homeless, rejected by most of my old friends because I've come to see how fake they are, I've got 9 close friends who I see everyday and do everything with and I haven't got a job. I haven't seen the Simpsons in 4 and a half years.

Christina
Except for the bands nice people and hair coloring that's how you a become a hippie.

I saw the Misfits in concert. Actually it was Marky Ramone on the drums, Dez Cadena from Black Flag on guitar, and Jerry Only on bass and vocals. It was really fucking awesome. Three people from three punk legends all in front of me.

DEATH TO EMO

(RIP Johnny)
Cries a little you're a good man.

PUNK DIED IN THE 80's!!!!!!!!!

Anti-Flag
Flogging Molly
Dropkick Murphys
Alkaline Trio
Rise Against
Strike Anywhere
Dead Kennedys
Skinny Puppy
Lard
Ministry

-These are in no particular order and represent probably 1/5 of the bands i love. Most of the unmentioned ones are just as good as these. and the last 3 are really more industrial than punk, but still good

PUNK DIED IN THE 80's!!!!!!!!!
Original punk died in the 80's.

The Cure
Dead Kennedys
Dropkick Murphy
The Ramones

I listen to all types of music, so I tend to be interested in everything. However, the closest thing to rap I listen to is Beastie Boys. And I hate classical.

Alternative Rock is waaaayyyyy better.
:sniper: :gundge: :mp5: :confused:

the best punk band ever is.....(drumroll)..... NOFX! no questions asked. and pretty much anything else from fat boy records. no anger, just a buncha cali punk kids getting drunk and making good music.

the best punk band ever is.....(drumroll)..... NOFX! no questions asked. and pretty much anything else from fat boy records. no anger, just a buncha cali punk kids getting drunk and making good music.
Pfft. Only when they get political, and quite frankly, the Dead Kennedys did it better.

not mentioned yet:

Avail
Bouncing Souls
Dead Milkmen
Fugazi (well at least have firm roots in punk)
Nation of Ulysses
Screeching Weasel
Rice (for the pure fun of it)

As has been said, Flogging Molly is excellent punk :)

Mac Cumhail Finn? or someone else?

skrewdriver

The first LP remains a minor classic.

I saw the Misfits in concert. Actually it was Marky Ramone on the drums, Dez Cadena from Black Flag on guitar, and Jerry Only on bass and vocals.


Cynical marketing ploy, anyone? That would be a bit like Paul McCartney, Charlie Watts and Pete Townshend playing together and calling themselves the Beatles.

Rice (for the pure fun of it)

They're the ones that did an entire LP about rice, aren't they? - Fuck you, this is rice?


Goddamnit: we're on to page 5 now and nobody has mentioned Los Crudos yet... why? Nor has a single queercore band been named (with the possible exception of The Buzzcocks, that may fit some of the gender qualifications, but don't really count as one) Limp Wrist, Bikini Kill. Knifed, Go! anyone?


I'll just add as a coda that they two times I saw NOFX they acted like complete asshole rockstars before, during and after each one. This was back in the early 90s, so maybe they have caught themselves on since then.

Against Me!
Anti-Flag
Authority Zero
Avoid One Thing
Bad Religion
Bouncing Souls
Casualties
Death By Stereo
Descendents
Dropkick Murphys
Flogging Molly
Intro5pect
Lagwagon
Melee
No Use For A Name
NOFX
Pulley
Rise Against
Strike Anywhere
Strung Out
Suicide Machines
Swingin' Utters
US Bombs
Useless I.D.

Useless I.D.

To date these guys are the only Israeli punk band I have ever seen.

To date these guys are the only Israeli punk band I have ever seen.

Doesn't make them any less awesome in my book. :p

They're the ones that did an entire LP about rice, aren't they? - Fuck you, this is rice?


Goddamnit: we're on to page 5 now and nobody has mentioned Los Crudos yet... why? Nor has a single queercore band been named (with the possible exception of The Buzzcocks, that may fit some of the gender qualifications, but don't really count as one) Limp Wrist, Bikini Kill. Knifed, Go! anyone?


I'll just add as a coda that they two times I saw NOFX they acted like complete asshole rockstars before, during and after each one. This was back in the early 90s, so maybe they have caught themselves on since then.
nofx acted like whiny hung over rock star wannabes when i saw them on the warped tour. they whined so much that the other band ran over they wasted more of their set than they lost. they were out of tune, loose sounding as hell and gave the distinct impression they couldn't be bothered to put on a decent show. i've never seen as bad a preformance in my life. every crappy highschool band playing at some random youth center i've ever seen was better than them.

-Here's some stuff I own--- look it up, buy it, and be free.

-The Public (Slovakia)
-Olotila (EU)
-Chineapple Punx (UK)
-The Exploited (UK)
-Gride (Czech Republic)
-Avoided (Japan)
-Juggling Jugulars (Finland)
-Selfish (Finland)
-Bewilderbomb (Australia)
-Dick Nasty (Australia)
-Autonomes Anruf Kommando (Germany)
-The Vibrators (UK)
-The Adicts (UK)
-Katastrofialue (EU)
-Battle of Disarm (Japan)
-Mentally Parasits (Slovakia)
-Totuus (Finland)
-Agathocles (Belgium)
-The Collapse (Australia)
-Karma (Belgium)
-Riot System (Australia)
-Tragedy (USA)
-Bullshit Propaganda (Holland)
-Rajoitus (Sweden)
-Totalt Jävla Mörker (Sweden)
-Shears (Italy)
-Con and Rot (Belgium)
-Kirous (Finland)
-Absurd Attitude (Finland)
-Doom (UK)
-Angelic Upstarts (UK)
-The Samples (UK)
-UFO Diktatorz (Italy)
-Chron Gen (UK)
-Okotta (Belgium)
-Assholes (Italy)
-The Birthday Party (Australia)
-Detestation (USA)
-Turun Tauti (Finland)
-Armed With Intelligece (USA)
-Totalitar (Sweden)
-Clusterbombunit (Germany)
-Lydia Lunch (Australia)
-The Skudz (USA) (You know I'm Beautiful is a punk rock classic)
-STP (Italy)
-KAAOS Nuke (Finland)
-Burned Out (Germany)
-Mrtva Budoucnost (Czech Republic)
-Kort Prosess (Germany)
-309 Chorus (USA)
-Subtracttozero (USA)
-X-Ray Spex (UK)
-Viimeinen Kolonna (Finland)
-Bingo (Italy)
-Action Pact (UK)
-Ciderfex (UK)
-Oktobr (Sweden)
-Mouthguard (Australia)
-Coward (USA)
-Lowlife (USA)
-US Bombs (USA)
-Debaser (Australia)
-Escape From Toytown (Australia)
-Tuomiopaivan Lapset (Finland)
-Draft Dodger (Australia)
-Asmodinas Leichenhaus (Germany)
-Epajarjestys (Finland)
-Wut Enbrannt (Germany)
-The Expelled (UK)
-Temporal Sluts (Italy)
-The Destructors (UK)
-Machine That Flashes (USA)
-UK Subs (UK)
-Charlie Don't Surf (Belgium)
-Church of Nihil (Finland)
-Silmaosasto (Finland)
-Unkind (Finland)
-Disgust (Sweden)
-CRASS (UK) hornerj155@aol
-The Restarts (UK)
-Riot Act (UK) (check out their cover of Johnny Cash's Ring of Fire)
-Suicidal Supermarket Trolleys (UK) (---2nd best name ever, after The Dreaded Rear Admiral.)
-Clusterfux (USA)
-Toxic Narcotic (USA)
-The Clap (Australia)
-Boomers (Italy)
-The Violators (UK)
-Downer (USA)
-Toerag Punx (Australia) (RIP Sarge)
-Punk al Muro (Italy)
-Urban Dogs (UK)
-Richard Hell (USA)
-400 Winks (New Zealand)
-Act (Australia) (This... INSAAANE! Age... of Chrrrrist)
-Forca Macabra (Finland)
-The Young Ones (USA)
-Ab Irato (France)
-The Ejected (UK)
-Johnny Moped (UK) (awesome, buy it, it's great. Not much available, though. Try and find 'Sniffin' Glue', a comp. of 1977 punk bands)
-Godnose (Australia)
-Sham 69 (UK)
-Kradj (Sweden)
-Zed (USA)
-Newtown Neurotics (UK)
-One Way System (UK)
-The Disables (Australia)
-Conation (Australia)
-The Adverts (UK)
-Alien Virus (Australia)
-Psychotic Lemmings (Australia)
-Rambo (USA)
-Vargiu and the Haters (Italy)
-Kuchenmesser Nr.8 (Germany)
-Against Me! (USA)
-Petrograd (Luxembourg)
-Hellshock (USA)
-Abrasive Wheels (UK)

O yeah, Sex Pistols (I *love* Bodies by them, who cares what others say about abortion), Rocketship From the Crypt, The Clash, DKs, The Misfits, blah blah blah, got them too.

The ONE problem with hardcore punk is that it all sounds roughly the same. Viimeinen Kollonna sounds just like The Collapse sounds just like Totalitar sounds just like Tragedy sounds just like The Avoided sounds just like Kuchemesser nr.8.

Because Industrial was mentioned, here's all my fav. Industrial bands--- Cabaret Voltaire, Einstrurzende Neubauten, Ministry, Test Department, Front 242, Scraping Foetus of the Wheel, My Life With the Thrill Kill Kult, Pigface, Throbbing Gristle, Skinny Puppy and Digital Poodle.
other good bands are The Eurythmics, The Residents, Transform, Nina Hagen, Danielle Dax, The Bad Seeds, Severed Heads, Janis Joplin, Marilyn Manson, Phase II, The Orchestra of Skin and Bone, Bipo, Sha-Lor, Dookie Touch, Bloodthorn, Aryan, Bjork, The Prodigy, Jam & Spoon, 4 Voice, X Clan, Ministry of Sound, Talking Heads, Najma, 23 Skidoo.... screw this, I've wasted enought time descibing my (impressive, I've just realised) record collection.

HAVE FUN!!!! I don't. I sit around all day, listening to the radio and music, reading books on Marxism and anarchism, plotting ways to injure Americans, writing, going on the internet and wondering why I have no friends.

Christina.

And GODAMMIT you still left out CRASS.

LoL!

I actually really like Emo right now, well, for the past 6-12 months.

I don't mind the flaming, I'm gonna name but a few...
...hell, maybe someone will join in :P

Taking Back Sunday
Brand New
The Radio Years (unsigned)
Dashboard Confessional
Cursive
Homegrown

That'll do.

Apart from Cursive, those are pop-punk bands. Please die now.

*the partisans
*the exploited
*dead fucking last
*gg allin
*CRASS
*conflict
*subhumans
*sex pistols
*drawback
*turtleslime
*sham 69
*cockney rejects
*dead kennedys
*the bronx
pommy punk bands and aussie punk bands are usually better than american but the yanks are alright

pop-punk bands.

i prefer the term ponk. i invented it myself back in 98 or 99

I think you're onto something, FS. If we start using it maybe we'll start a trend.

skrewdriver
rahowa(before they sold out)
brutal attack
odin's law
midtown booyboys
max resist
no remorse
day of the sword
hellstomper

Nazi punks? F**K OFF!

"Jimmy's joined the National Front
Jimmy's joined the National Front
Jimmy's joined the National Front
Jimmy is a fascist c*nt"

Nazi punks? F**K OFF!


Well said.

PUNK DIED IN THE 80's!!!!!!!!!

Original punk died in the 80's.

Original punk my skinny white ass. punk is punk, original or not, and as everyone knows, PUNX NOT DEAD

and, btw,

X-ray Spex have only been mentioned in passing by the bird with the big monologue about only being a punk if you've got no mates or something. X-ray Spex Germ Free Adolescents album is prescient - globalisation, genetic modification, corporatisation, it's all there, even if there is a sax in the band.

so X-ray Spex, kay?

And the cure's first album is a bit punkish, but they aren't a punk band.

What about 80s Wedding Present? and Mega City Four? and the Pixies? "You are the son of a motherfucker..." cool. And what about violent femmes? If we can have folko-punk like the tedious upper class levellers, I suggest that the violent femmes are appalachian mountain punk.*



*yes i know they're canadian, but what the fuck does canadian folk music sound like? and where does it come from? hillbillies with violins is, in my meagre experience, appalachian mountain music.

Apologise for that statement! "Tedious upper class Levellers"! Or at least substantiate your argument? What the f*** gives you the idea that they are upper class? Or are you just looking for an excuse to explain why you don't like their music?

Apologise for that statement! "Tedious upper class Levellers"! Or at least substantiate your argument? What the f*** gives you the idea that they are upper class? Or are you just looking for an excuse to explain why you don't like their music?

Simon Friend is public school educated - that might explain the idea.

Someone mentioned Toy Love, so there's obviously another Kiwi here somewhere.
Never mind them, if you want to talk Kiwi punk, lets talk about the Gordons...
Whoops! how could I forget the Gordons! Seminal Noise music at it's very best. I listen to them on my MP3 player at the gym. Nothing like "Future Shock' to get into the right aggressive mood.
Or Toy Love's "Pull down the Shades". One of the best Punk songs, anywhere, ever. I saw Chris Knox do a solo version of it a few years back. This was in his 'I can play my guitar faster than anyone living' phase and it (punk) ROCKED! At the Ween concert I think it was. Later one of the Ween's did a 20 minute guitar solo on their 'Buenas Tardis Amigo' song, which was almost as worthy as Chris' efforts on 'Shades.
I recommend to all you non-Kiwis to get yourself a copy of AK-79, just so you can see what you missed out on not living in Kiwiland in the late 70s. A fantastic complilation album. Also 'Don't fight it Martha, it's bigger than both of us'. But that's more post-punk.

Speaking of Post-Punk, no-one's mentioned these great US bands:
Big Black (Kerosene is the perfect song to train to)
Killdozer (the only version of 'Sweet Home Alabama' I can stand)
Wiseblood (best described as a bastard offspring of Killdozer and Big Black)
TAD (limited but good)
Jesus Lizard (see comment for TAD)
Rapeman (Big Black version 2.0)
Shellac (Big Black version 3.0)
and my all-time favourite post-punk band:
The Butthole Surfers.
You either love them or hate them. They indescribable, so I won't. Awesome live too.

And for the person who went on about Blink 182 being a punk band, they only 'punk' in the traditional sense of the word. (from Wikipedia)
"Rotten, mouldy, faggots....... of firewood"
or
"Prostitute"
Or
if you want to be more up-to-date, in the prison slang sense of the word meaning sexually submissive. Especially a old man to an young man :p
Anyone out there who likes Greenday (they have their moments I grant you) do your ears a favour and get hold of some Buzzcocks. You'll find out where Greenday got all their 'original' ideas from.

I think Green Day are more comparable to Stiff Little Fingers than The Buzzcocks.

I was thinking more of his singing voice and their songs are comparable to Pete Shelley. Musically, definitely SLF. Shall we agree they're a combination of the two?

But not as good as either. ;)

Ok, so I didn't know Simon went to private school. But I'm not going to get all Prolier-than-thou, cos that's just tw*tish!

I saw Greenday play at the Reading Festival in August and they covered the classic Buzzcocks songs "Ever fallen in love" (as well as playing some Clash and Ramones)

Ok, so I didn't know Simon went to private school. But I'm not going to get all Prolier-than-thou, cos that's just tw*tish!

I have to agree. The fact that Joe Strummer was as posh as they come doesn't detract in any way from the fact that the Clash are in my opinion the best punk band ever to have walked the surface of the planet...

I have to agree. The fact that Joe Strummer was as posh as they come doesn't detract in any way from the fact that the Clash are in my opinion the best punk band ever to have walked the surface of the planet...
A lot of them were public school boys or at least fairly well-educated. Shane McGowan, John Lyndon, Pete Weller, Pete Shelley....
But so what? They were rebelling against the society they were in, which is what punk's all about! I think that education certainly helped them write some fantastic songs.

its all about supporting your local artists... there's some good stuff probably in your neighbor's basement....

Dillinger Four
The Soviettes
The Crush

im a chav me boi's! Get em lads! oo i love dat dance n garage, and dere's nowt better dan goin skatin on a friday. Chibbers!
:headbang: :headbang: :gundge: :mp5:
:mp5: :gundge:
:gundge: :mp5:

Ok, so I didn't know Simon went to private school. But I'm not going to get all Prolier-than-thou, cos that's just tw*tish!

I saw Greenday play at the Reading Festival in August and they covered the classic Buzzcocks songs "Ever fallen in love" (as well as playing some Clash and Ramones)

The very specific thing that gets on my tits about it is that he *was* all prolier than thou. In "there's only one way of life" when he goes on about his dad taking him out of the dirty smoky town and walking him up a hill to look down on the "factory spill". If he ever went near a town with his dad it was to shop, and if his dad had shown him some dark satanic mills it would have been to say one day son all this will be yours.

Having said that, I don't expect all songwriters to only write true songs. That would be boring. And rich people can be crusties too. He just gets on my tits. Never heard a greenday song in my life, I don't think.

Never heard a Green Day song? I bet u actually have but don't realise it. I'm 15 and I only got into punk bout 2-3 yrs ago. I'd heard Minority, Warning, and Good Riddance but I only found out they were by Green Day when I bought International Superhits!

Also, Reading ruled! Reel Big Fish, The Offspring, Dropkick Murphys, The Distillers and (of course) Green Day were amazin. Would of liked to of seen Flogging Molly but didnt go on Sat.

I think Green Day are more comparable to Stiff Little Fingers than The Buzzcocks.

I actually see the Who as pretty large influence on Green Day - 'Pictures Of Lilly' riffs appear more than once on the Dookie[i] LP.


A lot of them were public school boys or at least fairly well-educated. Shane McGowan, John Lyndon, Pete Weller, Pete Shelley....

To the best of my knowledge [i]none of the above were public school boys (assuming you mean Paul Weller) - this is not to say that they aren't fiercely intelligent or musically inventive, obviously.*







* Or, in Shane McGowan's case was fiercely intelligent and musically creative before he destroyed himselff with smack and booze.

im a chav me boi's! Get em lads! oo i love dat dance n garage, and dere's nowt better dan goin skatin on a friday. Chibbers!


In my city we had a band that labelled themselves as 'spide-core' or 'spide-punk' - 'spide' being the local word for 'chav'. It actually made quite a bit of sense as a reaction against the inherent classism involved in the social Darwinist overtones of the way spides are denigrated and relegated to an underclass.

To the best of my knowledge none of the above were public school boys (assuming you mean Paul Weller) - this is not to say that they aren't fiercely intelligent or musically inventive, obviously.*
* Or, in Shane McGowan's case was fiercely intelligent and musically creative before he destroyed himselff with smack and booze.
Yep I did mean Paul Weller. :( He went to Art College.
Anyway, I said public school OR well-educated.
Pete Shelley attended the Bolton Institute of Technology before forming the Buzzcocks.
Shane McGowan attended Catholic Westminster Public School. He was expelled for possession of drugs mind :p

I 'spose you yankee pigs won't know any of our neo-British Australian bands. If you're just going t waste time listing boring bands like Pennywise, Bad Religion, Millencolin, All, Pulley and The Bouncing Souls, don't. They're worthless and California punk

youre an idiot.

plain and simple.

Bad Religion happens to be one of the most educated, politically involved and most brilliant bands ever, Greg Graffin has a fucking Phd, (yes thats true, look it up)

he was educated in Dalhousie, and now finds time to fill an proffesorial position at Cornell University between gigs.

A lot of the bands youve listed are little more than marketing gimmicks, im in a punk band so i know what im talking about.

furthermore, im Canadian, so dont think this an American sticking up for the US punk scene.

dont start to think that all US punk bands are Californian-esque Offspring wanna-be's, or no tallent hacks like some of the crap youve listed that are only in it for the money and the fame.

oh, and by the way, millencolin, is from Sweden dipshit.

you dont even have a clue what youre talking about so shut your fool mouth.

I listen to Green Day and Bouncing Souls. I don't care if they aren't "true punk" either.

Yep I did mean Paul Weller. :( He went to Art College.

Following the Townshend route.

Anyway, I said public school OR well-educated.

Yeah, I didn't challenge you on that point, though. Joe Strummer is the only one of the first generation of UK punks that I can think of that went to a Public school. Certainly lots of the members of various bands went to art school, but that remains a different class route to education (speaking within the context of the 70s).

youre an idiot.

plain and simple.

Bad Religion happens to be one of the most educated, politically involved and most brilliant bands ever, Greg Graffin has a fucking Phd, (yes thats true, look it up)

he was educated in Dalhousie, and now finds time to fill an proffesorial position at Cornell University between gigs.

A lot of the bands youve listed are little more than marketing gimmicks, im in a punk band so i know what im talking about.

furthermore, im Canadian, so dont think this an American sticking up for the US punk scene.

dont start to think that all US punk bands are Californian-esque Offspring wanna-be's, or no tallent hacks like some of the crap youve listed that are only in it for the money and the fame.

Thanks for saying what I would have. Bad Religion is freaking poetry. Now on to my list.

Bad Religion
Anti-Flag
Against All Authority
Ann Beretta
All
Bouncing Souls
H2O
Frenzal Rhomb
Dropkick Murphys
Flogging Molly
Lars and The Bastards
Pennywise
Me First & The Gimme Gimme's (Ok, so they do have a gimmick)
Suicide Machines
Osker
I Against I
Pulley
Dwarves
Agnostic Front

Good Punk:

The Clash
The Ramones
Richard Hell and the Voidoids
Black Flag
Dead Kennedys
Anti-Flag
The Vandals
The Queers
The Misfits
Flogging Molly (w00t! I'm seeing them next week!)
Lars Fredrichson and the Bastards
The Wierdos
The Buzzcocks
Dropkick Murphys (their old stuff)
The Groovy Goulies
Devo

They're some others, but I can't think of any.

I love punk, but you all gotta admit, Ska pwns Punk!

Some I don't think have been mentioned yet:

Eater
The Boys
The Drones
The UK Subs

:rolleyes:

Bad Religion is freaking poetry.

They do get boring as hell when you listent to them for extended periods of time though, I think anyone would admit that.

Skrewdriver are funny. They constantly claimed to be hard "nordic warriors" yet legged it at the slightest sniff of Red Action turning up.

Jewdriver are even better. And the song "Skrewydriver" by Dog on a rope is great too. ("He spent so much time on Mein Kamf he forgot the Highway Code" is a particuarly choice lyric.)

:D

Skrewdriver are funny. They constantly claimed to be hard "nordic warriors" yet legged it at the slightest sniff of Red Action turning up.

Well, you know what they say - "the better part of valour" and all that.



Jewdriver are even better.

Are there any religions that don't have their own punk bands? Plenty of Christian ones, several Buddhist ones, plenty of Jewish ones, several Muslim ones (at least nominally), several Krishna, several Rastafarian... which leaves what? Hindu punk bands? Anyone able to name one?

Ah - found some discussion of the Kathmandu punk scene which mentions a couple of bands:

http://www.wavemag.com.np/2002/october/punk_n_stuff.htm

Sex Pistols
Clash
Dead Kennedys
New York Dolls
Ramones (RIP Johnny :()
Drop Kick Murphys
Misfits
Suicidal Tendancies
Melt Banana
Genbaku Onanies
T.S.O.L
Rancid
SNFU

And a whole lot more...



ok how bout GREEN DAY
c'mon now

ne one heard of Story of the Year? ( rockin)

what about brand new?

(ok were kinda gettin into the emo category and im startin to scare myself)

There's that whole thing where Green Day SOLD OUT!

Jewdriver are even better. And the song "Skrewydriver" by Dog on a rope is great too. ("He spent so much time on Mein Kamf he forgot the Highway Code" is a particuarly choice lyric.)

:D

You are the first person I have ever met who has heard of Jewdriver.

There's that whole thing where Green Day SOLD OUT!
I've never really understood this. Does that somehow make all of their older stuff bad?

You are the first person I have ever met who has heard of Jewdriver.

I've heard of them and listened to a couple of the tunes off the website a couple of months back - they were pretty rough live recordings, IIRC - a case of the concept behind the band being somewhat better than the actual music.

Current anarchist-Oi favourites in this house: still the mighty Hardskin.

Currently also still expressing disbelief that somebody put out the "New Wave Of Chas And Dave" LP, featuring Dog On A Rope, Eastfield and others playing Chas & Dave covers.

I've never really understood this. Does that somehow make all of their older stuff bad?

Not nessicerily. I just don't like Green Day that much in the first place.

Not nessicerily. I just don't like Green Day that much in the first place.
And?

Ummm.... noooo. Dick Nasty is an Australian band. I don't give a stuff about Dag nasty.

You're all poseurs! Heed these words of wisdom---

1st stage of becoming a punk---
-you like the Sex Pistols, The Clash, Dead Kennedys, the Misfits and California Punk. You wear loads and loads of badges. You call yourself an anarchist, but don't know what it means. You wear a cap and cargo pants and sneakers.

2nd Stage---
-you like Crass, you go to your first shows but hover silently in the corner trying to be seen. You have a Sex Pistols t-shirt on. You get into other 1977 bands, like X-Ray Spex, Richard Hell, the Ramones and The Adverts. You get your first pair of Doc Martins and start spitting everywhere.

3rd Stage---
-you come to despise California punk and become a REAL anarchist... maybe you even reject anarchy and become a Marxist! You listen to European hardcore and don't even look twice at the junk which comes from Western US. You learn about DIY, and come into posession of bondage pants. You get the courage to talk to other people (gasp) at shows, and realise they're very nice. You learn to play pool and you lose your foolish obsession with sex. You mail order and listen to bands like Agathocles, Disrespect, State of Fear, Iskra, Doom and all the old 1982 UK bands. You have not yet changed your hair colour and you strangely seem to believe this is necessay. You only spit when necessary.

4th stage---
-you quit dressing up. By this stage, of course, the jacket and other clothes are your ONLY clothes and they seem completely normal to you, although you'll find that whenever you walk into a shop the security guards watch only you. You steal stuff, become a vegan, get rid of your docs and try to find a non-leather substitute. You join an anarcist federation or some other sort of socialist group. You read Kropotkin, Chomsky and Proudhon. You idolise Emma Goldman. You help organise gigs and you might even be in a band.

-I'm at the stage where I'm semi-homeless, rejected by most of my old friends because I've come to see how fake they are, I've got 9 close friends who I see everyday and do everything with and I haven't got a job. I haven't seen the Simpsons in 4 and a half years.

Christina

good Christ (youre not)

regulating or defining what it is to be a punk is going against the very nature of what it means to be a punk, its about rebellion and political outspoken behaviour for crying out loud.

people like you have developed the narrow view that in order to be a punk you have to fit into the cookie cut image that was set by bands like the sex pistols and so forth.. you seem to be forgetting that the term was in fact first coined by the Who - and they did not look like that. Oops, blew the lid off that bit of trash too. Punk is not about any definition, its about the attitude and the message behind the music.

Next youll be telling me that to be punk you need to have blonde hair and blue eyes you fascist pig.

Are you going to discount Mike Ness and Social D. for having country influence too? give me a break.

problems with intolerance toward a different look happens to be what punks were trying to illustrate by dressing the way they did - to be intollerant of others for doing differently is to revert to what they were fighting against.

To be a punk is simply to be yourself and to express it outwardly however you feel - not how marketing from bands that died 20 years ago dictates.
I would be just as much a punk tomorrow if i woke up and put on a fucking tutu - chew on that for a while.

put on a fucking tutu - chew on that for a while.


As long as it is pink.

You're all poseurs! Heed these words of wisdom---

1st stage of becoming a punk---
-you like the Sex Pistols, The Clash, Dead Kennedys, the Misfits and California Punk. You wear loads and loads of badges. You call yourself an anarchist, but don't know what it means. You wear a cap and cargo pants and sneakers.

2nd Stage---
-you like Crass, you go to your first shows but hover silently in the corner trying to be seen. You have a Sex Pistols t-shirt on. You get into other 1977 bands, like X-Ray Spex, Richard Hell, the Ramones and The Adverts. You get your first pair of Doc Martins and start spitting everywhere.

3rd Stage---
-you come to despise California punk and become a REAL anarchist... maybe you even reject anarchy and become a Marxist! You listen to European hardcore and don't even look twice at the junk which comes from Western US. You learn about DIY, and come into posession of bondage pants. You get the courage to talk to other people (gasp) at shows, and realise they're very nice. You learn to play pool and you lose your foolish obsession with sex. You mail order and listen to bands like Agathocles, Disrespect, State of Fear, Iskra, Doom and all the old 1982 UK bands. You have not yet changed your hair colour and you strangely seem to believe this is necessay. You only spit when necessary.

4th stage---
-you quit dressing up. By this stage, of course, the jacket and other clothes are your ONLY clothes and they seem completely normal to you, although you'll find that whenever you walk into a shop the security guards watch only you. You steal stuff, become a vegan, get rid of your docs and try to find a non-leather substitute. You join an anarcist federation or some other sort of socialist group. You read Kropotkin, Chomsky and Proudhon. You idolise Emma Goldman. You help organise gigs and you might even be in a band.


No offense, but NO!

Any true Punk would never stop listening to the Dead Kennedys, the Ramones, the Misfits, ect. I mean, seriously, these bands MADE everything that is in your "Stage 2, 3, and 4."

I mean, according to those 'stages' I practically each one.

Damned poser conformists! (It's an inside joke... you wouldn't understand)

Dear, dear, dear .... Page 6 before the Pixies or Killdozer get a mention.

Still waiting for Wire, the Table, the Slits, 999, and the Undertones/That Petrol Emotion. And is it really on me who remembers the Mekons?

This cannot be! :headbang:

Still, nice to see the Ramones getting the kudos they deserve.

Dear, dear, dear .... Page 6 before the Pixies or Killdozer get a mention.

Well, personally I'd bracket the Pixies in as a post-punk band, rather than your strict punk/hardcore band... and as far as Killdozer goes, we really can't expect to have listed every punk band can we? I reckon For ladies Only and Uncompromising War on Art Under the Dictatorship of the Proletariat are their best LPs. Their appearance playing American Pie on the attrocious Channel X was reason enough to excuse the rest of their yuppie crap. Pretty good when I saw them play in 94, but it was a bit of a strange venue set-up - tables and chairs... whether it was intended as a neo-Marxist cabaret or not, I don't know, but that was the general ambience.

Still waiting for Wire, the Table, the Slits, 999, and the Undertones/That Petrol Emotion. And is it really on me who remembers the Mekons?

Nope - the Table are the only band I don't know from that list.

Any true Punk would never stop listening to the Dead Kennedys, the Ramones, the Misfits, ect. I mean, seriously, these bands MADE everything that is in your "Stage 2, 3, and 4."


Still listening to them at the exclusion of something new and interesting after 20 odd years is nothing but stagnation though...

In no particular order:
Black Flag
Dropkick Murphys
Dead Kennedys
The Clash
The Sex Pistols
The Ramones (Johnny just died!)
Bad Brains
Minor Threat
Fugazi
Operation Ivy

In no order, much like the last post...

Green Day
Descendents
NOFX
Bad Religion
Thursday
Finch
Dead Kennedys
Black Flag
Circle Jerks
Ramones (RIP Johnny, Dee Dee, and Joey)
Sex Pistols
The Clash
Rancid
Operation Ivy
Mighty Mighty Bosstones
Motion City Soundtrack

I understand Thursday (because they're actually amazing) but Finch?! Wtf?

Dear, dear, dear .... Page 6 before the Pixies or Killdozer get a mention.

Still waiting for Wire, the Table, the Slits, 999, and the Undertones/That Petrol Emotion. And is it really on me who remembers the Mekons?

This cannot be! :headbang:

Still, nice to see the Ramones getting the kudos they deserve.

i always thought of That Petrol Emotion as sort of post-punk sub-goth, like Echo and the Bunnymen or something

what's a chav?

Please let's not go there.

what's a chav?

Look it up at http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=chav&r=f

Well now that someone has gone there, I might as well make it clear.

IH, if you're from the Manchester area you'd know them as "scallies".

don't think anyone could ever beat the ramones!!! clash n sex pistols ain't too bad..... but no! the ramones yehoo!

i always thought of That Petrol Emotion as sort of post-punk sub-goth, like Echo and the Bunnymen or something

Post-punk sub-goth, well I guess maybe, if you stretch a point well into two-dimensional space. But like Echo & the Bunnymen? Hmm, I think the fabric of my reality just sprung a leak.

Well, personally I'd bracket the Pixies in as a post-punk band, rather than your strict punk/hardcore band... and as far as Killdozer goes, we really can't expect to have listed every punk band can we? I reckon For ladies Only and Uncompromising War on Art Under the Dictatorship of the Proletariat are their best LPs. Their appearance playing American Pie on the attrocious Channel X was reason enough to excuse the rest of their yuppie crap. Pretty good when I saw them play in 94, but it was a bit of a strange venue set-up - tables and chairs... whether it was intended as a neo-Marxist cabaret or not, I don't know, but that was the general ambience.

Fair point about Killdozer, they were somewhat variable. But I would argue they were a little more punk than Madness (for crying out loud!) who I saw name-checked earlier. (Fine band, mind you. Met the drummer one time - very sound bloke.)

Nope - the Table are the only band I don't know from that list.

Ooh, ooh, another couple from the memory vaults: The Raincoats - blistering on stage, but rubbish on record. And the TV Personalities, always entertaining live even when bad beyond belief.

Fair point about Killdozer, they were somewhat variable.


Ah - I think you may have misunderstood my comments about the TV show being yupie crap as being directed at Killdozer, possibly, but yeah, not all of their stuff held up to their best...

But I would argue they were a little more punk than Madness (for crying out loud!) who I saw name-checked earlier.

I certainly wouldn't define Madness as a punk band - certainly they were informed by the punk ethos, but as far as the music they play goes, they just don't make the cut.

Interestingly for a band like the Redskins, who certainly were born of the punk wars, and played punk gigs regularly, often sharing the stage with Attila The Stockbroker, but musically were more informed by Northern Soul and Tamla Motown than by the Ramones or CRASS, I would define them as a punk band...

Ooh, ooh, another couple from the memory vaults:...

I quite like the bittorrents site located here - http://punktorrents.com/

If only because it regularly has posts of music by a lot of the semi-forgotten (to the 'younger' generation) bands. You got your Gang of Four, your Slits, your Alternative TV, your Three Johns, all those kind of bands popping up there every now and again.

I certainly wouldn't define Madness as a punk band - certainly they were informed by the punk ethos, but as far as the music they play goes, they just don't make the cut.

Interestingly for a band like the Redskins, who certainly were born of the punk wars, and played punk gigs regularly, often sharing the stage with Attila The Stockbroker, but musically were more informed by Northern Soul and Tamla Motown than by the Ramones or CRASS, I would define them as a punk band...

I'd agree with you on that one, and a damn fine band they were too! (And a damn fine poet.)

I quite like the bittorrents site located here - http://punktorrents.com/

If only because it regularly has posts of music by a lot of the semi-forgotten (to the 'younger' generation) bands. You got your Gang of Four, your Slits, your Alternative TV, your Three Johns, all those kind of bands popping up there every now and again.
Thanks for the link ... looks interesting. I'll check it out.

And another four names with great memories attached. I'd better get off this topic now before I go and blow the kids' already pitiful inheritance on coverting my '70s vinyl to CD (or at least chasing down all those recordings I was too broke at the time to buy). And before I have a sudden rush of blood to the head and claim the Radio Stars for punk. Or the Runaways.

One final thought ... the Flamin' Groovies' Grease EP .... at least 10 years ahead of its time (and how disappointed was I when saw what the subsequent movie was about?).

I can't believe CRASS haven't been mentioned yet.

And I'm going to go ahead and count Refused as a punk band.

They are indeed the Shape of Punk to Come.

I'll add some of my favorites
AFI (was more punk than it is now, like 95)
At the Drive In
Sparta
The Mars Volta
BRMC
And of course the givens (Clash, Ramones, Sex Pistols)

Gang Of Four is the shizzle. The Living End, anyone?

hey mora tau u said u want to hear some real punk bands.

The Misfits
The Exploited
Lower Class Brats
One Way System
GBH
Anti-Nowhere league
The Adicts
Fear
Chaotic Dischord
The Beltones
The Pist
Speacial Duties
The Skeptix
Skrewdriver

All of them kick ass.

One final thought ... the Flamin' Groovies' Grease EP .... at least 10 years ahead of its time (and how disappointed was I when saw what the subsequent movie was about?).

Things ahead of their time? John Cooper Clarke's I Married A Monster From Outer Space is the birth of ambient house 10 years too earliy...

everyone has forgotten that the term was coined by The Who before anyone else, and to be a punk would be therefore based on that which Pete Townshend meant by the term... we should ask him who is and is not a "real" punk band hmmm...

the whole concept of defining music categorically is absurd, and inapplicable.

ive said it before, and ill say it again, punk is the attitude and the means served by the music - politically charged and fused with emotion.

There are bands ive seen discounted in this forum that i believe would more than likely fall into this category.

(ill wait now, and give the noobs a chance to fill the board up with every urban dictionary's self proclaimed definition of what it is to be considered punk music)

how did the perception of Punk Rock become solely attributed to a certain look / sound??

newsflash!! it didnt. Its supposed to be non-conformistic, therefore bands that feel it nessecary to categorize themselves and play only a very distinct and patterned sound / image that has been copied are in fact the farthest thing from being punk - and those who create a new sound / look be it similar or not to those past, are more truly punk rock than the former.

I guess no one considered the messages that were trying to be taught by the lyrics of some of the bands you proclamate such reverie for.

non-conformism is punk is non-conformist.

actually id like to even go a little farther with this whole defintion thing...

The Who used the term in a radio interview to describe themselves in 1966,
the first time it was used in print was by Dave Marsh, to describe a growing american music phenom... the hard rock east coast sound. Soon after the term became commonplace and was used to describe the later acts that somehow annexed the term and took it upon themselves to declare their image as what it meant to be "punk rock".

Formerly it had been used to describe the attitude of certain prisoners, and since the history of the word is vauge and varied at best - it would be hard to define it based on use alone, or by its literal meanings (of which sevral connotations have been added over the years)

(ill wait now, and give the noobs a chance to fill the board up with every urban dictionary's self proclaimed definition of what it is to be considered punk music)

See also Wittgenstein on family resemblances: Philosophical Investigations, sections 65-77. :P

Hmm...this is a most excellent topic

I'd have to say: Rancid, Sex Pistols, Distillers, NOFX, even though i don't know a lot of their stuff, Me First and the Gimme Gimme's..even though I don't think they really count, but they're punk enough for me, and of course, everyone's favorite boys from Queens: the Ramones. :cool:

Hmm...this is a most excellent topic

I'd have to say: Rancid, Sex Pistols, Distillers, NOFX, even though i don't know a lot of their stuff, Me First and the Gimme Gimme's..even though I don't think they really count, but they're punk enough for me, and of course, everyone's favorite boys from Queens: the Ramones. :cool:

i would include gimme gimme's on the basis that they all have involment in punk aside from the 'cover song' project they have gained fame for.

See also Wittgenstein on family resemblances: Philosophical Investigations, sections 65-77. :P

perhaps you can post it since i dont have the book, (i mean, i could quote a page from Nietzsche's 'Thus Spake Zarathustra' and you wouldnt have a clue either)

5 knuckle, capdown, lightyear, no avail, precious life stone, adequate 7 and the rest of the u.k punk/ska punk/hc scene, but there are quite a few good u.s bands, like bouncing souls, op ivy, sick of it all, and leftover crack, all dope to ride a bmx to

perhaps you can post it since i dont have the book, (i mean, i could quote a page from Nietzsche's 'Thus Spake Zarathustra' and you wouldnt have a clue either)

Ah: well, I probably would have a clue about Thus Spake Zarathustra, but I take your point - I guess I made the assumption that you would know I was refering to his theory of family resemblances because of your sig: a quick working summary of his point is made here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_Investigations#Language_games_and_the_word_.22game.22

More indepth exploration goes on here:

http://www.voidspace.org.uk/psychology/wittgenstein/eight.shtml

There is nothing in common to all those things which are labelled as 'punk', but within that group there exist 'family resemblances' - discontinuous similarities - which are sufficient for us to understand what we are talking about when we use the term.

The Clash.

A good band I've not seen mentoned here is Cock Sparrrer. And The Living End are good.

There is nothing in common to all those things which are labelled as 'punk', but within that group there exist 'family resemblances' - discontinuous similarities - which are sufficient for us to understand what we are talking about when we use the term.

cripes, turns out i have read some of that before, (ive forgotten oh so much about Phil 320!) Yes, that is applicable to my point, in fact i would say it adds a lot of strength to the argument if ppl take the time to read and understand it.

I just cant stand to see music categorized - it really does seem pointless to me.

on a side note...
are you a fan of Nietzsche as i am?

1. Operation Ivy
2. Dead Kennedys
3. Reagan Youth
4. NOFX
5. (old) Bad Religion

I can't really rate the rest of what I like, new bad religion is somewhere in the middle though, gotta have variety.

Things ahead of their time? John Cooper Clarke's I Married A Monster From Outer Space is the birth of ambient house 10 years too earliy...
10 Years Too Soon .... hmm .... Sly & The Family Stone

are you a fan of Nietzsche as i am?

Probably, yes. Can we name a punk/hardcore band that makes use of Nietzsche without twisting him horribly into a caricature of himself?

Probably, yes. Can we name a punk/hardcore band that makes use of Nietzsche without twisting him horribly into a caricature of himself?

most likely not.

Nietzsche is one of the most misunderstood philosophers of all time, look how badly hitler misinterpreted the concept of the ubermesche!

Ah! but much in man is still ape, just as much in ape is still worm... and then, much in man is still worm as well.

(slightly skewed but more easily read this way)

Nietzsche is one of the most misunderstood philosophers of all time, look how badly hitler misinterpreted the concept of the ubermesche!

The fact that Adolf Hitler never read a word of Nietzsche other than those displayed on the walls of the Nietzsche museum run by the anti-semite Elizabeth Nietzsche, to the best of anyone's knowledge, may have something to do with this.

The fact that Adolf Hitler never read a word of Nietzsche other than those displayed on the walls of the Nietzsche museum run by the anti-semite Elizabeth Nietzsche, to the best of anyone's knowledge, may have something to do with this.

oh more than slightly.

but a misinterpretation nonetheless, and at a catastrophic scale as well i might add.

of course Hitler was an anti-semite long before (seemingly from being raised in a sewing shop by jewish people - though im not sure why he turned against them)

its amazing how powerful words can be.

hmmm, this might need a seperate thread....

One Size Fits All (local band from my town. Last show this Friday.)
Left To Prove (From the cape)
Various other local punk

The Clash
The Sex Pistols
Operation Ivy
NOFX
Dropkick Murphys-was going to go to a free concert but missed out.

NOFX
Anti-Flag
Dead Kennedys
Bad Religion
PROPAGANDHI
Warsaw Pack (not really punk but goddamn good FUCK CAPITALISM AND THE USA music)
Mad Caddies
Rise Against
Rancid
old AFI
Pennywise

Can someone tell me why it's not Punkish to like AFI's new stuff. Did I hear accusations of selling out? When exactly did this alleged sell-out occur, so which of their albums in my collection are pre sell-out and which ones are post sell-out? Will someone please inform me of the facts!

Not bad at all!

Johnny Ramone was a Republican. Ugh.
...
So not cool. Apparently he got pissed off with the other Ramones when they wanted to sing anti-Reagan songs, and he would tell off other rockers who burned American flags and stuff like that.

Yeah. If you want to be punk you have to be like all the other punks. There are rules to these things. You have to support the big government sided Democractic Party. It is the only way...

Also, most people hate Blink 182 because they think it is cool to.

I hate you guys.

LOL! Course you do...

It's a sad state of affairs when you can only be rebellious by rebelling against your fellow rebels and conforming into a good conservative citizen. Kind of like a double bluff....everyone must think you're a radical because you play punk rock'n'roll when actually you're very traditionalist and boring!

From my own political point of view I disagree with Johnny Ramone's opinions....as a fan of punk music I am disappointed that one of its heroes supported right-wing, pro-establishment, pro-conservative politics.

LOL! Course you do...

It's a sad state of affairs when you can only be rebellious by rebelling against your fellow rebels and conforming into a good conservative citizen. Kind of like a double bluff....everyone must think you're a radical because you play punk rock'n'roll when actually you're very traditionalist and boring!

From my own political point of view I disagree with Johnny Ramone's opinions....as a fan of punk music I am disappointed that one of its heroes supported right-wing, pro-establishment, pro-conservative politics.
Double bluffs are fun...

You can do more damage inside the system than outside of it

or you could just be true to yourself, and admit that there is obvious benefits to having both, and that there is a nessecity in keeping an opposition.

just a thought.

You can do more damage inside the system than outside of it

Which bit of the system are Blink 182 and AFI damaging?

Which bit of the system are Blink 182 and AFI damaging?

I never said they were punk. But I guess they helped bring an end to boy bands. Now we have to deal with mall-punk...

Which bit of the system are Blink 182 and AFI damaging?
That one over there? See it?


(Though I do have to admit, Blink 182 is a small price to pay for getting rid of N'SYNC or whatever)

There are more, but heere are some of my favorites that I've mostly been listening to lately:

Dead Kennedys
Ramones
Clash
Green Day (pre sell-out era)
Dead Milkmen

Ramones
Clash
Green Day (pre sell-out era)


Someone explain to me why Green Day are seen to have sold out by signing to a major label, but the Clash and the Ramones aren't...

Can someone tell me why it's not Punkish to like AFI's new stuff. Did I hear accusations of selling out? When exactly did this alleged sell-out occur, so which of their albums in my collection are pre sell-out and which ones are post sell-out? Will someone please inform me of the facts!
they didn't sell out they just turned from a misfits tribute band into a cure tribute band, and punks like the misfits better. i don't especially like "sing the sorrow" but my wife loves it, its just personal taste.

Someone explain to me why Green Day are seen to have sold out by signing to a major label, but the Clash and the Ramones aren't...
the ramones never really gave anyone the impression they cared whether or not they sold out, and big audio dynamite sucked so bad even sandanesta and cut the crap seemed good....

actually its probably because they really wasn't as much of an independent labal community in 77...

meh who cares i thought green day sucked before they ever sold out and its bad religion who piss me off, they whore other bands to the major labels threw their psuedoindependent epitaph brothel label then act all psuedointellectual and psuedorevolutionary.

3 uses of the prefix psuedo in on run of sentence... i win.

the ramones never really gave anyone the impression they cared whether or not they sold out, and big audio dynamite sucked so bad even sandanesta and cut the crap seemed good....

Personally I consider Sandinista, for all its myriad flaws, the Clash's best LP. So kill me. I agree that Cut The Crap would have been better not born - although This Is England does redeem it slightly, even if it doesn't live up to the live boot versions...

actually its probably because they really wasn't as much of an independent labal community in 77...

Yeah I know that, but I was just wanting to see what some of the young turks on the thread were going to say in response.

meh who cares i thought green day sucked before they ever sold out and its bad religion who piss me off, they whore other bands to the major labels threw their psuedoindependent epitaph brothel label then act all psuedointellectual and psuedorevolutionary.

At least Green Day had some decency when they signed, they then offered paid positions to promoters and sound engineers and other people that had helped them in their more underground days.

Personally I would rather have nothing to do with major labels - their main driving force at the end of the day is not art, but profit - which seems to be missing the whole point: focusing on the wrong word in the term "music industry" to the possible detriment of the other.

Is there such a thing as a good punk band?

Is there such a thing as a good punk band?

To quote the Electro-Hippies: "the only good punk is a dead one".

To quote the Electro-Hippies: "the only good punk is a dead one".

-- aha aha aha... no. Punks aren't dead. We only smell that way. Anyway, I can't believe Green Day has been brought up. Or Alternative TV (you poseur! They only recorded one song that's still available--- and that's on Sniffin' Glue, the poseur's guide to the galxy)... ATV!!??? what? I never caaaare oo the girls 'ave been screwin.... male or female... there's never any, never any incentive... da da da da da da' bleeeding wwwweak as piss! Listen to Toxic Narcotic, that'll knock some sense in to you! Or the casualties! Gordon Bennett!
No, that smeghead from ATV should be shot. The one who said "Punk died when The Clash signed up to EMI" or some rot.... punk was only BORN in 1982! Before that it was cutesy rock n' roll ASPIRING to become something more. Sid was cool. So was Richard Hell, Joe Strummer, Gaye Advert, Poly Styrene, Pauline Murray, Johnny Moped, Tim from the Adverts and Johnny Rotton, but they weren't punks, most of them were meat-eating, sellout, fame-seeking, pro-system, 'A stands for apathetic', poseur, shampoo, lollypops, richboy-you-wash-alot weaklings. Naaaaah, punk started with legends like The Exploited, UK Subs, The Violators and The Adicts.

C

No offense, but NO!

Any true Punk would never stop listening to the Dead Kennedys, the Ramones, the Misfits, ect. I mean, seriously, these bands MADE everything that is in your "Stage 2, 3, and 4."

I mean, according to those 'stages' I practically each one.

Damned poser conformists! (It's an inside joke... you wouldn't understand)

Up yours, pig. The Ramones were good at first but became a joke. Jello Biafra's a legend and I still listen to him, I paid $60 to see him speak in Fedruary, but there's only so much Jello to be listened to. He isn't even Veg. The Misfits... are pathetic. Early... godlike. Now, they're weak as piss. The Danzigs???? UUUUUUURGGGH!

-- aha aha aha... no. Punks aren't dead. We only smell that way.

You do of course know that the Electro-Hippies were a punk band? Irony? Hello?

Or Alternative TV (you poseur! They only recorded one song that's still available--- and that's on Sniffin' Glue, the poseur's guide to the galxy)

Whether their records are still available or not doesn't matter shit to me when I have the original 7"s sitting in my record collection. Besides which a quick glance, even at Amazon will show that you are sadly mistaken in your claims:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/artist/glance/-/68079/002-1356631-2590456...

ATV!!??? what? I never caaaare oo the girls 'ave been screwin.... male or female... there's never any, never any incentive... da da da da da da' bleeeding wwwweak as piss! Listen to Toxic Narcotic, that'll knock some sense in to you! Or the casualties! Gordon Bennett!

Thanks for the unwarrented assumptions about what kind of music I listen to. How about you tracking down some Neanderthal/Charred Remains/Man Is The Bastard?

No, that smeghead from ATV should be shot. The one who said "Punk died when The Clash signed up to EMI" or some rot.... punk was only BORN in 1982!

Tell that to CRASS.

Naaaaah, punk started with legends like The Exploited, UK Subs, The Violators and The Adicts.

Ah right, punk started in 1982 with bands like the UK Subs (formed in 1976), the Exploited (formed in 1980), The Violators (formed in 1976), and the Adicts (formed 1976). Exactly what style of music were they all playing prior to '82?


Nice troll, but a tad incoherent and a couple more actually factually correct statements wouldn't have gone amiss.

1.Fuck Punk in the Ass :sniper:
2.Punk is Gay :sniper:
3.Punk Sucks :sniper:
4.I Hate Punk :sniper:
5.The Punk Bitches :sniper:
6.Blink 182 :sniper:
7.Only a Retard Would Listen to Punk :sniper:
8.George W. Bush :sniper:
9.Punk Sucks Whale Cock :sniper:
10.Good Charlotte :sniper:

Those are my favorite punk bands.

Explain to me in words I can understand how this isn't flamebait/flaming?

It is.

It is.

Note the tactical deletion by The Gaza Strip when he realised his jig was well and truly up. :p

The quote has sealed their fate. How ironic. So ironic, in fact, that I will write a shitty song about it.

A shitty punk band with an awesome plan...

:cool:

the ramones never really gave anyone the impression they cared whether or not they sold out, and big audio dynamite sucked so bad even sandanesta and cut the crap seemed good....

actually its probably because they really wasn't as much of an independent labal community in 77...

meh who cares i thought green day sucked before they ever sold out and its bad religion who piss me off, they whore other bands to the major labels threw their psuedoindependent epitaph brothel label then act all psuedointellectual and psuedorevolutionary.

3 uses of the prefix psuedo in on run of sentence... i win.

Yes, you are a winner... Spelling the prefix pseudo- wrong four times in one post must be some sort of a record.

Note the tactical deletion by The Gaza Strip when he realised his jig was well and truly up. :p

Or maybe he realised what punk music actually is :)

Yes, you are a winner... Spelling the prefix pseudo- wrong four times in one post must be some sort of a record.

i perfer to regard them as alternative spellings, thank you very much, you corperate conformist petty bourgeois whore

[QUOTE=Nationalist Valhalla]actually its probably because they really wasn't as much of an independent labal community in 77...
[QUOTE]

there were hundreds of independent labels in th uk in 77. the clash signed to a major because they liked money.

actually its probably because they really wasn't as much of an independent labal community in 77...


there were hundreds of independent labels in th uk in 77. the clash signed to a major because they liked money.

Well off the top of my head I can think of about 4 London based independent labels dealing with rock existing in '77 (Deptford Fun City*, Charisma, Chiswick, Stiff), I'm sure there were others, but I think the big indie label explosion started somewhat later - '78 perhaps - certainly there was not a particularly large range of them in Jan '77 when the Clash signed compared to what came later.


* First release June '77.


EDIT: other UK indie labels existing in early '77 that would have anything to do with a rock band - Virgin, UK, RAK, Island.

CRASS released their stuff independently after censorship issues with the first album and the record company.

CRASS released their stuff independently after censorship issues with the first album and the record company.

Yeah, but that wasn't until '78 when the whole indie label thing started rolling.

My Favorites:

Blitz (UK)
The Business (UK)
Oi Polloi (UK)
Brigada Flores Magon (F) (Though they are a skinhead band)
The Casualties (USA)
Stage Bottles (GER)
No Respect (GER)
4 Promille (GER)
Volxsturm (GER)
Dritte Wahl (GER)
Cotzraiz (GER)
Dead Kennedys (USA)
Angelic Upstarts (UK)
The Oppressed (USA?)
Chaos Z (GER)
Loikaemie (GER)
Klasse Kriminale (ITA)
Hass (GER)
Normahl (GER)
Oberste Heeresleitung (GER)
Red London (UK)
Scumpies (GER)
Scattergun (GER)
Slime (GER)
Sham 69 (UK)
The Prowlers (CAN)
Toxoplasma (GER)
Uppercuts (GER)
Verlorene Jungs (GER)
Wizo (GER)
Zaunpfahl (GER)
Terrorgruppe (GER)
Dödelhaie (GER)

Quite a lot of bands. Nearly half of them typical german punk ("Deutschpunk"), other half more or less classical Oi/Skinheadrock/streetpunk/whateveryouwanttocallit, the rest's various styles.

CRASS released their stuff independently after censorship issues with the first album and the record company.

Who cares? Crass are damn hippies, who once shouted "no violence, no violence!" from down the stage while neofascist boneheads stormed the location. Veganism, Pacifism etc. are at least not my way of life regarding the thing called "punk".

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Can somebody explain to me, why a person like Nationalist Valhalla, who is listening to obviously right-winged, racist and national-socialist music, is still not ignored? Do you like rightists in the punk scene, or what?

The Dead Kennedys have got to be my favorite punk band ever. Actually, one of my favorite bands ever. I never get tired of DK.

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Can somebody explain to me, why a person like Nationalist Valhalla, who is listening to obviously right-winged, racist and national-socialist music, is still not ignored? Do you like rightists in the punk scene, or what?

All is not as it appears with NV...

All is not as it appears with NV...
Care to elaborate?

Care to elaborate?

No.

No.
Pretty please with a cherry on top?

Pretty please with a cherry on top?

well i generally ignore him even if no one else does, and i occasionally have sex with his wife.

Might as well represent the North side.

Go find these bands on the net you lazy bastard. All Canadian here. I'll throw in some metal too, cuz if you don't like metal, you suck.

Propagandhi
SNFU
DOA
Viletones
Dirty Bird
Fuck the Facts
I Hate Sally
The Rotten
A Dying Race
Polidicks
Cryptopsy
Dayglo Abortions
Bunchofuckingoofs
Fucknuckles
No Means No
Hanson Brothers
GFK
Grade
Rammer
Punch Drunk
The NoNos
Random Killing
The Legendary Klopeks
Sector Seven
Cursed
No Warning
Buried Inside

Chaotic Dischord
The Ejected
Public Nuisance
Angelic Upstarts
The Wierdos
Zyklome
K-4
Deserta (French, I think)
Ratos de Parao
The Bags
Grisen Skriker
Celebrity Skin
The Meat Men
Los Trios Paranoia
Pneumania
Artless
Ed Gein's Car
Negative Approach
The Unflushed
Worse Than Useless

well i generally ignore him even if no one else does, and i occasionally have sex with his wife.

You too?!

Just curious, how many of you have heard of the legendary Australian punk/grunge/pub-rock band "Cosmic Psychos"?

http://www.internationaltrash.com/catalog/images/dk007.jpg

The best on Earth are;

-Agathocles (Belgium)
-Tragedy (America)
-Cornucopia (Belgium)
-Doom (England)
-Totalitar (Sweden)
-Eclectic TV (Japan)
-The Birthday Party (Australia)
-Dekadent (Germany)
-Thulsa Doom (America)
-Disagree (Canada)
-Children of the Barren Wasteland (America)
-Clusterbombunit (Germany)
-Viimeinen Kollonna (Finland)
-Extinction of Mankind (England)
-Distraught (America)
-Silmaosato (Finland)
-The Collapse (Australia)
-Draft Dodger (Australia)
-Kaaos (Finland)
and (of course) the English Chineapple Punx.

Smash the Applecore Punks, go MINCECORE! (Sorry, Australian hardcore sectarianism)

Wow, this was a helluva gravedig. I remember this thread. :p

More dinosaurs. YAY! :rolleyes:

More dinosaurs. YAY! :rolleyes:

Psst, LP...I dare you to track back to your first ever post and bump it. ;)

Psst, LP...I dare you to track back to your first ever post and bump it. ;)
I don't wanna :(

I don't wanna :(

You're such a wuss. You don't want people to think you're a girl, do you? :p

The best on Earth are;

-Doom (England)

Their singer, Wayne, was found dead about ten days ago following one of his epileptic fits. He will be sadly missed.

Wow, this was a helluva gravedig. I remember this thread. :p

Indeed.

I don't remember this thread. Would someone care to refresh my memory?

Did I have Sin Dios on my list? Did I have a list?

*too lazy to read thread*

Their singer, Wayne, was found dead about ten days ago following one of his epileptic fits. He will be sadly missed.


Arrrgh, no! You're kidding, aren't you?

Arrrgh, no! You're kidding, aren't you?

Nope - 'fraid not:

http://profaneexistence.com/board/index.php?showtopic=6590

http://www.network54.com/Forum/thread?forumid=136636&messageid=1111486092&lp=1111790631

Here are some I like (some are less "punk" than others -- labels suck):

Social Distortion
Fugazi
Minor Threat (straight edge, but good)
Nirvana
Bad Brains
The Clash
Black Flag
Fishbone
The Pixies
JFA (Jodie Foster's Army)
Cracker
Husker Du
Rage Against the Machine
Tall Dwarfs
Ciccone Youth
Soundgarden
Dinosaur Jr.
Big Black
Mudhoney
Sonic Youth
Screaming Trees
SNFU
Government Issue
L7
Afghan Whigs
Meat Puppets
Prodigy
Green Day
Rancid
The Pogues
Hole
Dropkick Murphys
Flogging Molly
Mary's Danish
Murphy’s Law (skinhead Nazi punks -- but decent band, ignore the lyrics)
AFI
Butthole Surfers
Dead Kennedys
Sublime
Misfits
Iggy and the Stooges
Dead Milkmen
NoMeansNo
G.B.H.
Offspring (older stuff is better)
The Cramps
Rollins Band
Suicidal Tendencies
X

-snip-

What... No Sex Pistols?

What... No Sex Pistols?

Doh! :headbang:

(Although there are probably more I like and forgot about than are on the list anyway.)

The thread's title is an oxymoron.

The thread's title is an oxymoron.

haha couldn't agree with you more!

the only semi alright punk band is Forward Area (and even they're not that good).

Forgive them Lord. They know not what they do.


(And I can't believe I forgot my favorite: Jane's Addiction. :headbang: )

Well, JA is more of an Alternative/Post-Punk band, but I guess they fit in.

Real Punk groups:

Bad Religion
Pennywise
Dead Kenedys
Clash
Sex Pistols
Anti-Flag
Rise Against
Strike Anwhere
Dropkick Murphys
Rage Against the Machine

More generally Punk Groups:
Less than Jake (Eh.... Ska Punk... Really isn't punk per se, but I like it anyway.)
Lawrence Arms (Pop Punk =| Punk still "Decanting the Insalubrious" is a good peice)
Flogging Molly (More folk then Punk Imo, but good either way. Even if they do make me feel like I'm living during the Industrial revolution.)

Anyone else read through this and feel as if you are reading the jacket of Rock Against Bush? Well... cept for the Pistols and the Clash that is...

Hardcore Punk groups:

Bad Religion
Pennywise
Dead Kenedys
Clash
Sex Pistols
Anti-Flag
Rise Against
Strike Anwhere
Dropkick Murphys
Rage Against the Machine

Well, the Sex Pistols were an original, not a Hardcore band (though they had a very rough, raw, fast sound when live). Bad Religion's just Los Angeles Punk Rock. The Clash was Reggae-Punk. The Dropkick Murphys are Celtic Punk, and RAtM's not even any of the above.

Well, the Sex Pistols were an original, not a Hardcore band (though they had a very rough, raw, fast sound when live). Bad Religion's just Los Angeles Punk Rock. The Clash was Reggae-Punk. The Dropkick Murphys are Celtic Punk, and RAtM's not even any of the above.

Eh I forgot to edit that to say Real Punk.

Yeah... And I like to rail on RAtM, just to spite their fans. They *are* a Punk band, but it's just that so many of their fans are idiots and assholes.

Well, the Sex Pistols were an original, not a Hardcore band (though they had a very rough, raw, fast sound when live).

If they were as original as you want to make out (by listing other bands and asserting that they weren't original in contrast) why do they sound so much like a miscegenation of New York Dolls/Hawkwind/Small Faces?


EDIT: ah, the context becomes clear following the 'real'/'hardcore' comment.

Steve Jones said he got his playing style from listening to the Dolls and Faces, while Glen listened to the Undergorund/Mod music of the day. John was a fan of Captain Beefheart, the Stooges, The Doors, and the like.

And don't forget that the Ramones had their share of influences, though they were more pop/bubblegum-style bands than the Pistols listened to.

The point is that every band has influences. There is no truly "original" group/band.

Yeah... And I like to rail on RAtM, just to spite their fans. They *are* a Punk band, but it's just that so many of their fans are idiots and assholes.

Hey! :mad:

:p

Hey! :mad:

:p

Note that I said most...

...Including you :D!

Erm... I have a sorta socio-political sorta punk music question. Is it just me or do the Celtic Punk bands sing songs that sound like they came out of the Industrial Revolution? Is there a reason for this?

As examples I'm gonna cite: "We got the Power" by Dropkick Murphys and "Factory Girls" by Flogging Molly.

It's because the Scots were the main workforce in British factories, and the conditions were awful. Sometimes, these Scottish workers were so poor that they had to live in shacks inside the factories. Their clothes would be stained black from the smoke and soot.

It's because the Scots were the main workforce in British factories, and the conditions were awful.

No they weren't: it would have been the English, and then the Irish. Scotland to this day remains relatively unindustrialised and there was no great migration during the industrial revolution.

Okay then, my bad. The History Channel does get things wrong, from time to time.

The Hives

Always thought they were alternative rock... hey, wait a minute... they are!!!

*Trys to imagine Swedish punk rock band*

Sweden had a lot of Punk Rock bands back in 1977, though they weren' very well-known. They all sprung up because of the Sex Pistols and their "Summer of Hate".

i didnt see AFI until someone said they sold out (i think you mean pre-selling out not post)

but i'd like defend them saying that getting more radio play doesnt not equal selling out people just finally started to recognize them - i dont feel there lastest CD showed a large change in there sound - unlike blink 182 or goodcharlotte - which have a big difference from there 1st CDs to there next ones -

and what was with that last drop kick CD - that sucked balls

Punk is dead.

That is all.

Carry on.

*Trys to imagine Swedish punk rock band*

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is fucking dead.