NationStates Jolt Archive

sorry dude, but I had to. You know.

1) Starting 2 wars within a decade

2) Having the fattest population on earth.

3) Starbucks.
4) Will Smith.

They think god is on their side. As if!

Oh come on, the original thread is enough to slam on the guy. Is this really neccisary? Kinda makes you look petty...

5) Having politicians in their seats because and only because of Corporations
6) Having a 2 party system

and Rap music

5) having a Bush in the White House
6) MacDonalds
7) Hollywood

Globalization = weak local economies = exploitation of the people for wages bordering slavery.

Plans of World Hegemony

- Martin Lawrence
- Dr Phil

Dr. Laura...

Dr. Laura...
who?

who?
DR. LAURA.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=de&ie=UTF-8&q=dr+laura&btnG=Suche&lr=

- stepping out of environmental treaties

If any of you are americans having you insulting gits we have you so count your self on the list

and Rap music
oh sorry america this is true

If any of you are americans having you insulting gits we have you so count your self on the list
There's nothing insulting on the list. Just facts why America is NOT cool :)

Pseudo-gods called celebrities.

This insults me to my CORE. I personaly dont give a damn of what you forieners think, but this is an Insult to my pride for my country, wich could very easly kick Britton's Ass, Canada's ass, we could utterly destroy any country on earth. We can take the entire damn world on and have a chance of winning.

I'm an American.

This insults me to my CORE. I personaly dont give a damn of what you forieners think, but this is an Insult to my pride for my country, wich could very easly kick Britton's Ass, Canada's ass, we could utterly destroy any country on earth. We can take the entire damn world on and have a chance of winning.
Feel yourself and exactly this attitude, added to the list of facts why the US is not cool :)

This insults me to my CORE. I personaly dont give a damn of what you forieners think, but this is an Insult to my pride for my country, wich could very easly kick Britton's Ass, Canada's ass, we could utterly destroy any country on earth. We can take the entire damn world on and have a chance of winning.

Perfect example right there of why America is NOT cool.... Little penis syndrome.

Perfect example right there of why America is NOT cool.... Little penis syndrome.We have 200+ Nuclear Missile silos all around our country, we have thousands of military bases around the WORLD. We can strike any country with in a second's notice. We are the most powerful country ever to grace the Earth.

This insults me to my CORE. I personaly dont give a damn of what you forieners think, but this is an Insult to my pride for my country, wich could very easly kick Britton's Ass, Canada's ass, we could utterly destroy any country on earth. We can take the entire damn world on and have a chance of winning.

I'm an American, and even I thought that was arrogant.

My 2 cents: Jerry Falwell.

I'm an American, and even I thought that was arrogant.

My 2 cents: Jerry Falwell.Im Patriotic, what can i say?

Im Patriotic, what can i say?

That reminds me:

Freedom Fries.

3) Starbucks.
4) Will Smith.

Whats wrong with starbucks.

This insults me to my CORE. I personaly dont give a damn of what you forieners think, but this is an Insult to my pride for my country, wich could very easly kick Britton's Ass, Canada's ass, we could utterly destroy any country on earth. We can take the entire damn world on and have a chance of winning.

I'm an American, and a patriot. That said, the entire above quote (with at least 6 spelling errors as well as other grammatical problems preserved) is why America is not cool.

How ironic is it that he is so sure of himself but likely couldn't spell his own name?

Im Patriotic, what can i say?
And arrogant.

Im Patriotic, what can i say?
You are not patriotic. You are jingoistic, exceedingly arrogant and generally amazingly dumb. "I fart in your general direction" :)

Look you commie pinko faggots, any one of you that is in another country, we could DESTROY. Lets list the problems with your natoins eh?

Britton:
Lost to America TWICE and we were weaker then them.
Almost tooken over by France...nuff' said

France:
Panzy ass faggots
Genocides own people
Too afraid to get there hands a bit bloody

Germany:
Like France, Panzy ass Faggots
Defeated by the fucking world Twice..

We have 200+ Nuclear Missile silos all around our country, we have thousands of military bases around the WORLD. We can strike any country with in a second's notice. We are the most powerful country ever to grace the Earth.

So? that's not a good thing...

With all the money America spends on the military so they can 'kick Britton's Ass' and 'Canada's ass' (both totally worthwhile things to do, I'm sure :rolleyes:), you could get the 1/3 of your population suffering below the poverty line back back into something resembling civilization, you could be creating a modern and all-encompassing school system to train people to benefit your society. You could be doing anything.

And you choose to hoard weapons of mass destruction, and train people to kill others efficiently.

Did someone say 'penis envy'? I think they did.

Whats wrong with starbucks.

Was that a question?

So? that's not a good thing...

With all the money America spends on the military so they can 'kick Britton's Ass' and 'Canada's ass' (both totally worthwhile things to do, I'm sure :rolleyes:), you could get the 1/3 of your population suffering below the poverty line back back into something resembling civilization, you could be creating a modern and all-encompassing school system to train people to benefit your society. You could be doing anything.

And you choose to hoard weapons of mass destruction, and train people to kill others efficiently.

Did someone say 'penis envy'? I think they did.For your informatoin, dureing the War of 1812, we DID try to take over Canada. We have never lost a war, NEVER.

yeah, well...i'm a REAL american (not one of those small-minded ones that insists their little country on the northern half of the AMERICAN continent has the right to call themselves and only themselves americans), and i'm glad we kicked your ass in WWII. see, you are the living embodiment of a spirit called fascism, which REAL americans helped to defeat. see, REAL americans understand the importance of community, diversity, tolerance and practicality. your rant demonstrates the decidedly UNamerican thinking with which you are infected. your inability to look past your own nationalistic jingoism highlights your savage, violent barbaric nature which would rather carry on the impractical and unprofitable business of TOTAL GLOBAL ANNIHILATION rather than....oh, i dunno....actually REFLECT on what is going on.

i am a real american. i come from that little country called the united states of america. i agree with most of what's on this list so far, and even the parts i don't agree with, i can still shrug it off. i mean...c'mon, RAP MUSIC? you've got to be kidding me, that stuff is GREAT! nononono, i'm not talking about the corrupted corporate-seduced rap music that's on the radio, i mean the real down to earth conscious hip hop, where the breath and rhythm and beat combine like alchemy into something greater. it's out there, trust me. go look. but yeah, mesazoic, you're a dick.


Mesazoic said:

This insults me to my CORE. I personaly dont give a damn of what you forieners think, but this is an Insult to my pride for my country, wich could very easly kick Britton's Ass, Canada's ass, we could utterly destroy any country on earth. We can take the entire damn world on and have a chance of winning.

Look you commie pinko faggots, any one of you that is in another country, we could DESTROY. Lets list the problems with your natoins eh?

Britton:
Lost to America TWICE and we were weaker then them.
Almost tooken over by France...nuff' said

France:
Panzy ass faggots
Genocides own people
Too afraid to get there hands a bit bloody

Germany:
Like France, Panzy ass Faggots
Defeated by the fucking world Twice..
LMAO.
Well if this kind if bitch slapping is the best you can come up with no wonder you only win wars where you get help. If this is the best reasoned response you can come up with and are a typical US citizen then those living on Easter Island could take the lot of them.

For your informatoin, dureing the War of 1812, we DID try to take over Canada. We have never lost a war, NEVER.
Yes wasn't that when the Brtis trooped in and burnt the White house down then trotted off agian

For your informatoin, dureing the War of 1812, we DID try to take over Canada. We have never lost a war, NEVER.

So what?

Millions of Americans starve to death, there are areas in cities comparatable to third world nations, schools are so underfunded that it's amazing they even bother opening their doors...

And... you're proud because you manage to murder more people of other nations than they manage to murder of yours?

Wow.

Just wow.

And why on earth would you want to take over Canada? Are their free-thinking and productives freedoms threatening to the dictatorship-of-the-upper-classes you so happily live in?

Globalization = weak local economies = exploitation of the people for wages bordering slavery.

Plans of World Hegemony Good points.

So can we say that America like every country has it’s problems but the volume and verbosity of those who most Americans are ashamed of puts them in a bad light?
So to all you reasoning US Citizens I apologize if my cosmopolitan friend appear to attack you. Stand away from the fool and you’ll be alright.

And how can a country represent democracy and free choice when a president gets elected when less that half the population votes for him purely because he won in the rich states?

the us gave us denim, for that i'm eternally grateful....and what do we brits counter with?... flat caps and bowlers :)
weak beer and suv's suck
and where the hell is britton?, halfwit

the us gave us denim, for that i'm eternally grateful....and what do we brits counter with?... flat caps and bowlers :)
Welly Boots! And Barber Jackets.

Anybody still counting?

I'm nominating this for #20:

Taken from a recent news article:
In the Los Angeles region, 53 percent of workers ages 16 and older were deemed functionally illiterate, the study said.

The basis for "functional literacy" included such things as being able to read a map and a bus schedule. :eek: I have to drive to LA tomorrow - I'm not counting on anybody being able to read the stop signs.

and where would i be without me reeces pieces...

the us gave us denim, for that i'm eternally grateful....and what do we brits counter with?... flat caps and bowlers :)
weak beer and suv's suck
and where the hell is britton?, halfwit

Better than Stetsons - horrible bloody things!!!

We gave them their language, and democracy, and liberty, and freedom of choice, sounds like a line from the Life of Brian - oh yeah Comedy, Music (proper music). Agree with the weak beer tho - although prefer the Czechoslovakian bud to the ripped off (again) American version

And how can a country represent democracy and free choice when a president gets elected when less that half the population votes for him purely because he won in the rich states?

Not to mention the fact that America has, more than once, caused democratically elected official to be overthrown and murdered to futher its own agenda.

Well, it sure is good to see everyone agreeing with each other again. :)

i believe the thread began as @37 reasons why the USA is not cool'...so trying not to repeat those already mentioned...

proxy wars (angola, afganistan, cambodia etc)

coca cola (coffee flavoured water with your sugar?)

profit over enviroment (gas prices, kyoto)

white sumpreisists :sniper:

gun law/NRA

disney (absolutely no redeaming qualities whatsoever :mad: )

jerry springer

the atkins diet

and if i could be bothered i'd post a whole load more....but life's too short

i do though just want to my reply above...

the blind, unswerving,illogical,arms led, vote and pressure group driven support for current israeli policy towards the palestinians despite the almost universally accepted point of view that is only when that particular running sore is solved will the middle east and world be able to believe that "the war on terroism" is one that might be "won".

And how can a country represent democracy and free choice when a president gets elected when less that half the population votes for him purely because he won in the rich states?

I hate to point it out, but it actually has nothing to do with rich states. George Bush, in fact, won many poor states, which countered Al Gore's rich states.

The election has nothing to do with wealth. It had to do with this little thing called an electoral college, which means the person who wins the majority of popular votes does not automatically win the election -- it goes to the person who wins the majority of electoral votes.

It's always been that way.

And 2000 wasn't the first time the person who wins the election won fewer popular votes.

I hate to point it out, but it actually has nothing to do with rich states. George Bush, in fact, won many poor states, which countered Al Gore's rich states.

The election has nothing to do with wealth. It had to do with this little thing called an electoral college, which means the person who wins the majority of popular votes does not automatically win the election -- it goes to the person who wins the majority of electoral votes.

It's always been that way.

And 2000 wasn't the first time the person who wins the election won fewer popular votes.
you do raise and interesting question that I have asked before. when was the last time a US president was elected and that person was not very rich? E.g. the last time average Joe was elected?

- Patriot Act... *shudder*

- those American fundamentalist Christian groups (Protestant) scare the crap out of me... (you know, the kind that doesn't shut-up until you repend, convert and submit to their religion)

- while there are poor people starving around the world because they don't enough enough food; there are Americans who deliberately starve themselves... and that ain't cool.

...and a note to Mesazoic: I've seen plenty of threads that insult Canada and other nations, so have many others here, but, we suck it up. So, be mature and suck it up, or risk being forever branded a n00b.

It depends who you listen to.

A lot of people like to paint Clinton as having been the "average Joe," but he was already independently wealthy before getting to the White House. Same with Carter. Certainly no one in my lifetime fits the bill.

I can't really think of an average wealth person who might have done it, other than maybe Eisenhouer, at least in the last 60 years. And I'm not sure what his wealth would've been like when he was elected. His career was in the military, so judging strictly by that, he wasn't the wealthiest man in the world when he was elected -- whether he had something outside, I honestly don't know.
Well if what you say is correct that's not as bad a record as I was expecting.
It still appears to be a pre requisite now to getting on in US politics.

you do raise and interesting question that I have asked before. when was the last time a US president was elected and that person was not very rich? E.g. the last time average Joe was elected?

It depends who you listen to.

A lot of people like to paint Clinton as having been the "average Joe," but he was already independently wealthy before getting to the White House. Same with Carter. Certainly no one in my lifetime fits the bill.

I can't really think of an average wealth person who might have done it, other than maybe Eisenhouer, at least in the last 60 years. And I'm not sure what his wealth would've been like when he was elected. His career was in the military, so judging strictly by that, he wasn't the wealthiest man in the world when he was elected -- whether he had something outside, I honestly don't know.

Have I just managed to reply to your post before you posted it? Cool. :cool:

Well if what you say is correct that's not as bad a record as I was expecting.
It still appears to be a pre requisite now to getting on in US politics.

Unfortunately, it does.

In my observation (and this is an opinion from having watched the elections in my lifetime), you can either deal with a corporate backed Democrat or a corporate backed Republican. In either case, you're very unlikely to deal with someone who hasn't been on the scene with a great deal of money for a few decades.

Have I just managed to reply to your post before you posted it? Cool. :cool:

Heh-heh. Yeah, I'm not sure how that happened. :p

Im Patriotic, what can i say?

You aren't patriotic. Your kind is a plague to this world. It's people like you who become terrorists. It's people like you who commit hate crimes. It's people like you that need to be eliminated.

Just because a country can take over doesn't mean that country and it's ideologies is cool. Hitler took over a good portion for awhile, but his belief in intolerance is not something to be desired.

I'm a United States citizen. I wish the 9/11 attacks hit the White House. If it was just military targets, I'd have no issue. The fact that civilains were targeted, that seems wrong. Some claim that 9/11 is just like Pearl Harbor. This fact is true if you think about it. Both times the US of A was attacked as it was viewed as lacking honor. Both times the government had knowledge it was going to happen. While they may not have known the targets and date Osama was going to use, they still did nothing to prevent it. Likewise, the government knew that the Japanese were going to attack. They did nothing to prevent this from happening. They did however move their better ships out of the area prior to the attack. Don't believe me? Then do some research you ignorant twit. You probably buy the "magic bullet" theory about Kennedy too.

George W Bush not only stole the election but is screwing up this country and the world. I think Dubya and associates should be put on trial for their crimes. Gore is our true President. Bush is a dictator who seized control.

As for Saddam, he needed to be taken out. This is a fact. I do not supoort though the lies about the "weapons of mass destruction", how they claim Saddam was involved with 9/11 when he wasn't, and how the military handled/is handling the situation. How do I know for a fact that Saddam needed to be taken out? I have a friend who was part of a unit in Iraq's military when they invaded Kuwait.

And Karl Marx knew what he was talking about.

Look you commie pinko faggots, any one of you that is in another country, we could DESTROY. Lets list the problems with your natoins eh?

Let's list problems with your brain fuctions, ok?

Starting with your inability to type coherent sentences with decent grammar and spelling... Would it be too much to ask (probably) for you to check over what you've written before you submit it? Because, this is just plain bad.

Learn how to use a spellchecker, or even a dictionary.

Secondly, it seems that you're short on intellectual vocabulary, so, you have to resort to using childish name calling.

For this reason, you are branded a n00b because you're a newcomer who has decided it is necessary to flame people.

Britton:
Lost to America TWICE and we were weaker then them.
Almost tooken over by France...nuff' said
Name the war other than the American Revolution in which the British lost to the Americans? I believe that in the War of 1812, the British (and Canadians) did kick some American ass...

And, what the hell is "tooken"??

Really, see the first point I made about this post...and do the rest of us a favour and check your spelling and grammar.

France:
Panzy ass faggots
"Panzy"? Nope, I'm sorry, that word doesn't compute, perhaps you might like to find the correct spelling, if this word is indeed a spelling mistake.

And I believe that this statement is a flamebait and/or a racist remark...

Genocides own people

That sentence doesn't make sense (see the first point on grammar and spelling).

Further, last I checked, the last time the French willingly killed their own kind on a large scale was during the French Revolution and that's when they killed members of the aristocracy.

Too afraid to get there hands a bit bloody

You make it sound like being a pacifistic nation is a stupid thing. :rolleyes:

Germany:
Like France, Panzy ass Faggots
Defeated by the fucking world Twice..

Now, by saying the world, you're assuming she had no allies... *checks history book* oh right... I believe her allies were nations like Austria-Hungary, Italy, Japan...

Furthermore, according to this, the Germans were defeated in The Great War because the stalemate was ended when the Americans came in fresh as daisies, ready to kick ass. They weren't already exhausted by war, so they could be an asset to the campaign.

The Germans were defeated in WWII for a couple of simple reasons, one being they repeated history and held two fronts in that war; the one pushing into Russia and the one in the west, which weakened their might. This led to their defeat because their armed forces were spread thin when the Allies banded together to invade mainland Europe.

I suggest you do research first before you post, n00b.

coca cola (coffee flavoured water with your sugar?)

AND used to contain coke

- Largest and most Mafia organisations in the world

Im Patriotic, what can i say?

There's patriotic, and there's oversensitive.

Consider: maybe a very important part of love for one's country is having the strength to honestly see what is WRONG with it, so you can FIX it.


Now for the list. I think we DEFINITELY should accept the blame for taking the reality TV craze and running it into the damn ground. (Remember, though, that BIG BROTHER and SURVIVOR were originally Danish and English creations, so this is a joint problem...)

Jerry Springer.

Telsell... or whatever you call it. Those awful 30+ minute TV commercials selling stuff you don't need and on which they do an even more terrible voice-over in Dutch (and probably other languages too)

For your informatoin, dureing the War of 1812, we DID try to take over Canada. We have never lost a war, NEVER.
Dude. Vietnam.

Dude. Vietnam.

lol that was the first thing i wanted to say :D

Dude. Vietnam.
War on drugs/terror.

War on drugs/terror.
that's not a war, that's propaganda

- spreading propaganda

that's not a war, that's propaganda

- spreading propaganda
Propaganda war. And they are losing it/lost it already.

Ann Coulter, Michael Moore and any other political jackasses on either side of the spectrum

I don’t know what number we are up-to but the stupid American language is definitely not cool.

A friend of mine was once asked by an American to list down what America has done for England, his reply was F@*&%D up our language, that is what America has done for England.

Ann Coulter, Michael Moore and any other political jackasses on either side of the spectrum
Michael Moore political? I thought he was a TV-program/movie-maker?

- not being able to take well founded critisism from people like Michael Moore

Michael Moore political? I thought he was a TV-program/movie-maker?

- not being able to take well founded critisism from people like Michael Moore

I should have been more specific. Let me start off by saying I am a liberal (*gasp* the L-word!). However, my beef with Michael Moore is that he is very misleading and sometimes downright dishonest with what he says. I DO agree with most of his IDEAS, it's just the way he presents them that makes him a jackass, IMO.

And btw, he makes political movies and writes political books.

If you dont LIVE in the USA, you dont know jack shit about it, and i probally just insulted my self by saying this...anyway. Im realy going to love watching you pansys whine about Bush being re-elected. Freeing a Natoin from a tyrant dosent seem to make people happy anymore, assholes.

Learn how to use a spellchecker!

...

"Panzy"? Nope, I'm sorry, that word doesn't computer, perhaps you might like to find the correct spelling, if this word is indeed a spelling mistake.


The problem with relying solely on automatic spell-check programs is that if you mean to say “’Panzy’? Nope, I'm sorry, that word doesn't compute,” and you type “’Panzy’? Nope, I'm sorry, that word doesn't computer,” you know, with an “r,” spell-check won’t correct it because it’s still a word, just not the correct one. You still need to proofread anything you write. Like you, spell-check isn’t perfect.

If you’re going to call people out on grammar, spelling, and typos, your shit better be flawless.

Also, “nope” isn’t a real word, no matter how passionate you are about the subject.

If you dont LIVE in the USA, you dont know jack shit about it, and i probally just insulted my self by saying this...anyway. Im realy going to love watching you pansys whine about Bush being re-elected. Freeing a Natoin from a tyrant dosent seem to make people happy anymore, assholes.
In opposition to the US, European countries learn a great deal about the rest of the Western world (true, less about the rest) AND are almost required to keep up with what's going on in the rest of the Western World.

If you dont LIVE in the USA, you dont know jack shit about it, and i probally just insulted my self by saying this...anyway. Im realy going to love watching you pansys whine about Bush being re-elected. Freeing a Natoin from a tyrant dosent seem to make people happy anymore, assholes.

You make me laugh, i know quite a bit about America and it's politics and I live in Britain. How much do you know about our politics? Are you saying Iraq is better than it was under Saddam? Hell no! America could have gone about this war much better but instead the people live in constant terror from terrorists AND Americans. If Bush gets re-elected the system has failed us all. “Natoin” freed? I don’t think so

The problem with relying solely on automatic spell-check programs is that if you mean to say “’Panzy’? Nope, I'm sorry, that word doesn't compute,” and you type “’Panzy’? Nope, I'm sorry, that word doesn't computer,” you know, with an “r,” spell-check won’t correct it because it’s still a word, just not the correct one. You still need to proofread anything you write. Like you, spell-check isn’t perfect.

I was quoting it to make a point. :eyeroll:

If you’re going to call people out on grammar, spelling, and typos, your shit better be flawless.

I had one error. It's better than having several. Besides, no one is flawless no matter what. There will always be something wrong with what they are doing, saying, writing, et cetera.

Also, “nope” isn’t a real word, no matter how passionate you are about the subject.

I never said it was a real word. It's slang much like a lot of the vocaulary thrown around these days.

I was just busting your balls. Don't worry about it.

and Rap music
correction: having bling bling rap music... there are differences :D

Any more reasons?

So what?

Millions of Americans starve to death, there are areas in cities comparatable to third world nations, schools are so underfunded that it's amazing they even bother opening their doors...

And... you're proud because you manage to murder more people of other nations than they manage to murder of yours?

Wow.

Just wow.

And why on earth would you want to take over Canada? Are their free-thinking and productives freedoms threatening to the dictatorship-of-the-upper-classes you so happily live in?

This thread is funny and all, but the above statements are just silly.

Do you really believe millions of Americans starve to death? and areas in cities comparable to third world nations? you need to get out more, or at least buy a clue.

It depends who you listen to.

A lot of people like to paint Clinton as having been the "average Joe," but he was already independently wealthy before getting to the White House. Same with Carter. Certainly no one in my lifetime fits the bill.

I can't really think of an average wealth person who might have done it, other than maybe Eisenhouer, at least in the last 60 years. And I'm not sure what his wealth would've been like when he was elected. His career was in the military, so judging strictly by that, he wasn't the wealthiest man in the world when he was elected -- whether he had something outside, I honestly don't know.

He became independantly wealthy by being a corrupt govenor. he wasnt well off before that(aside from being part of a 2 lawyer family)

G.W. Bush is only worth about $15 million. certainly not pocket change, but hardly rich.

For your informatoin, dureing the War of 1812, we DID try to take over Canada. We have never lost a war, NEVER.

Yeah, everybody except John Kerry has totally forgotten about Vietnam...the Brits burned the White House once...and we will lose the war in Iraq, if for no other reason than that we simply assume that we could kick anyone's ass if we really wanted to.

I'll whup your daddy's ass, i'll whup your uncle's ass, i'll whup your black ass, i might even whip my own ass...ass kickers. ~From "Get Down" by WAR

I'm an American too. There's some shit we can be proud of, and a whole lot that we can't. 37 reasons why we're not cool right now is not a long enough list. An actual patriot would be able to see the flaws in his own country instead waving his d*ck around at everyone else.

and i'm adding the worst hypocrisy that the world has ever seen to the list.

For your informatoin, dureing the War of 1812, we DID try to take over Canada. We have never lost a war, NEVER.

read my lips.....VIETNAM

Do you really believe millions of Americans starve to death? and areas in cities comparable to third world nations? you need to get out more, or at least buy a clue.

Fair dos - I've never been to America, so I'm making assumptions. I'm pretty sure that there aren't any starving americans. If there were, they could just hunt down a standard american and eat them. A standard american can't move very fast and a family of six can live off one for 2 months. Seriously, food is dirt cheap in america, and america has welfare, how can americans starve?

I'd be really surprised, though, if there aren't any americans in big cities living in slum conditions, ie tumbling down buildings, or on the streets, roaches and rats, no healthcare, little clean water or sewerage.

This thread is hilarious. Praticularly:

"Millions of Americans starve to death, there are areas in cities comparatable to third world nations, schools are so underfunded that it's amazing they even bother opening their doors..."

I was not aware that Callista Flockhart and Kate Moss were millions of Americans. I always thought they were about .3 Americans put together. You can tell which Americans are poor, they're fat because they can't afford a gym membership.

We have a lot of people who live below the poverty line (set at approximately $20,000 per year for a family of four) who drive recent model cars and eat steak for dinner. While I agree that Jerry Springer and Budweiser beer (Samuel Adams is much better) is pretty lame (nor do I care for SUV's) the U.S. is a pretty nice place to live.

G.W. Bush is only worth about $15 million. certainly not pocket change, but hardly rich.

15 million dollars is not rich? ok. now I see what is so great about america, everyone in it has 15 million dollars. Britain is in the top 10 richest nations on earth. The average briton earns about USD45000 per year. That means to get the amount of money this tossbag has, they would have to work for 333 years.

I don't know how much the average american earns, and the IRS won't tell me. Anyone want to enlighten me?

I was not aware that Callista Flockhart and Kate Moss were millions of Americans. I always thought they were about .3 Americans put together. You can tell which Americans are poor, they're fat because they can't afford a gym membership.


Kate Moss is British. Americans are fat because they eat too much.

For your informatoin, dureing the War of 1812, we DID try to take over Canada. We have never lost a war, NEVER.

Was Korea a draw then?

And what about the civil war? some americans lost that. And what about this war on terrorism? You appear to be losing that too.

Now for the list. I think we DEFINITELY should accept the blame for taking the reality TV craze and running it into the damn ground. (Remember, though, that BIG BROTHER and SURVIVOR were originally Danish and English creations, so this is a joint problem...)

Yeah you bastard - we creative english geniuses invented shit reality tv, and we have more shit reality tv per capita, and our shit reality tv is more shit. so fuck off.

not being able to take well founded critisism from people like Michael Moore

michael moore used to rule. he wasn't allowed on yankee tv so he made tv programs for british tv, in america. i haven't seen his films.

America is uncool because it supports countries that defy UN resolutions, kill their own citizens with military hardware and research weapons of mass destruction.

You know, this whole thread makes me very sad. I am an American...and at that, an American soldier. I'm not necessarily sad that people are pointing at all of our faults. More accurately, I am sad because most of them are true. We do have a lot of problems. Unfortunately, those problems are manifest and represented by an overwhelmingly small majority of Americans.

The world does not know the average American. The average American loves family and friendships, their children and their work. We honor and value our word and our actions.

The average American is not a war-monger, nor a nationalist. We do not want to "take over" any country, or harm any peoples. We only want peace, prosperity, and a good future for our children...and a good beer.

We love sports and cookouts on the weekends. We're good to our wives (most of us, anyway)....

We love to laugh and have a good time with friends.

Most of us consider the rest of the world to be exotic - a place to one day see if we're lucky enough to have the opportunity.

We don't know much about the rest of the world, or even about our own, which is sad, but reasoned by the fact that we like our own little worlds, with family and friends, and just want to be left alone to live our lives individually. Americans are individuals with a shared idea.

We have horrible crime and poverty, corrupt politicians, misdirect policies and knee-jerk reactions - just like any and every other nation.

We use our place and status in the world for both good and bad reasons. We do, as a government, impose way too much will on the rest of the world...but we also, as a government, help out as much as we can.

We are imperfect, we can be mean and inconsiderate. We hurt and destroy, and we love and create.

We are the good, the bad, and the ugly, The beautiful and the scarred. The righteous and the evil.

We are human.

Nice to meet you.

If you dont LIVE in the USA, you dont know jack shit about it, and i probally just insulted my self by saying this...anyway. Im realy going to love watching you pansys whine about Bush being re-elected. Freeing a Natoin from a tyrant dosent seem to make people happy anymore, assholes.

Oh, I will be very happy when Bush loses the 2004 election. Very happy indeed.

You know, this whole thread makes me very sad. I am an American...and at that, an American soldier. I'm not necessarily sad that people are pointing at all of our faults. More accurately, I am sad because most of them are true. We do have a lot of problems. Unfortunately, those problems are manifest and represented by an overwhelmingly small majority of Americans.

The world does not know the average American. The average American loves family and friendships, their children and their work. We honor and value our word and our actions.

The average American is not a war-monger, nor a nationalist. We do not want to "take over" any country, or harm any peoples. We only want peace, prosperity, and a good future for our children...and a good beer.

We love sports and cookouts on the weekends. We're good to our wives (most of us, anyway)....

We love to laugh and have a good time with friends.

Most of us consider the rest of the world to be exotic - a place to one day see if we're lucky enough to have the opportunity.

We don't know much about the rest of the world, or even about our own, which is sad, but reasoned by the fact that we like our own little worlds, with family and friends, and just want to be left alone to live our lives individually. Americans are individuals with a shared idea.

We have horrible crime and poverty, corrupt politicians, misdirect policies and knee-jerk reactions - just like any and every other nation.

We use our place and status in the world for both good and bad reasons. We do, as a government, impose way too much will on the rest of the world...but we also, as a government, help out as much as we can.

We are imperfect, we can be mean and inconsiderate. We hurt and destroy, and we love and create.

We are the good, the bad, and the ugly, The beautiful and the scarred. The righteous and the evil.

We are human.

Nice to meet you.

Very well said.


And by the way, for others, Vietnam was not a war. It was a conflict. There's a Difference, (like the balkans) Conflict, not war.

Thank you for the compliment.

I have actually travelled all over the world. I really don't see how average citizens of any nation are different at all. We basically love and cherish the same things. Only the language and rituals are different.

The misconception that most Americans have about the rest of the world is the same as the misconception most of the world has about us. I wish I could fix that...invite the whole world to my house for a cookout, or something. Here - have a beer and a hot dog.

This insults me to my CORE. I personaly dont give a damn of what you forieners think, but this is an Insult to my pride for my country, wich could very easly kick Britton's Ass, Canada's ass, we could utterly destroy any country on earth. We can take the entire damn world on and have a chance of winning.

the guy who wrote this (and in doing so gave example of the attitude that makes the US suck) should be on the list.

Very well said.


And by the way, for others, Vietnam was not a war. It was a conflict. There's a Difference, (like the balkans) Conflict, not war.

Oh? And how do you define which is which?

You know, this whole thread makes me very sad. I am an American...and at that, an American soldier. I'm not necessarily sad that people are pointing at all of our faults. More accurately, I am sad because most of them are true. We do have a lot of problems. Unfortunately, those problems are manifest and represented by an overwhelmingly small majority of Americans.

The world does not know the average American. The average American loves family and friendships, their children and their work. We honor and value our word and our actions.

The average American is not a war-monger, nor a nationalist. We do not want to "take over" any country, or harm any peoples. We only want peace, prosperity, and a good future for our children...and a good beer.

We love sports and cookouts on the weekends. We're good to our wives (most of us, anyway)....

We love to laugh and have a good time with friends.

Most of us consider the rest of the world to be exotic - a place to one day see if we're lucky enough to have the opportunity.

We don't know much about the rest of the world, or even about our own, which is sad, but reasoned by the fact that we like our own little worlds, with family and friends, and just want to be left alone to live our lives individually. Americans are individuals with a shared idea.

We have horrible crime and poverty, corrupt politicians, misdirect policies and knee-jerk reactions - just like any and every other nation.

We use our place and status in the world for both good and bad reasons. We do, as a government, impose way too much will on the rest of the world...but we also, as a government, help out as much as we can.

We are imperfect, we can be mean and inconsiderate. We hurt and destroy, and we love and create.

We are the good, the bad, and the ugly, The beautiful and the scarred. The righteous and the evil.

We are human.

Nice to meet you.

As an American citizen I agree 100%.

It does bother me when people from other countries judge every American citizen because of the actions of a few people that most of us over here don't like anyways. But I will agree that alot of Americans are sheep that do not think for themselves. They suck up the dribble that the government spews forth and they do not know better.

Kind of like how Bush says our enonomy has never been stronger, but we're losing jobs like crazy. But then he boasts how he created over 200,000 jobs.....but look at the millions of jobs he's lost.

:sigh:

It's times like these when I want to move somewhere else....

Thank you for the compliment.

I have actually travelled all over the world. I really don't see how average citizens of any nation are different at all. We basically love and cherish the same things. Only the language and rituals are different.

The misconception that most Americans have about the rest of the world is the same as the misconception most of the world has about us. I wish I could fix that...invite the whole world to my house for a cookout, or something. Here - have a beer and a hot dog.
There is only one people on earth.
Thanks for your enlightening posts.
(I tell that as a citizen of the world)

You're right. Only one people.

One day, hopefully, we will realize that.

It won't be anytime soon, though.

Look you commie pinko faggots, any one of you that is in another country, we could DESTROY. Lets list the problems with your natoins eh?

Britton:
Lost to America TWICE and we were weaker then them.
Almost tooken over by France...nuff' said

France:
Panzy ass faggots
Genocides own people
Too afraid to get there hands a bit bloody

Germany:
Like France, Panzy ass Faggots
Defeated by the fucking world Twice..


This is NOT acceptable. Flaming of this magnitude results in the most severe of penalties.

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Taking a page out of Ineptia's book, eh? ;)

Very well said, Keljamistan. Far too easy to continue a stereotype.

Oh? And how do you define which is which?

Congress declares war. A formal declaration of war was never issued in Vietnam. It was a conflict.

Thank you.

Congress declares war. A formal declaration of war was never issued in Vietnam. It was a conflict.

Yes yes

A rose by any other name...

Let's ask Vietnam if it was a war...

Mezazoic said alot of crap in that post slating Britain, germany and france. Firstly, Britain only ever got defeated once by America in the independance war, and America may have been weaker but they had France on their side aswell. Britain has never been almost taken over by France, our country has only been successfully invaded once and that was in 1066 by William the Conquerer. We actually conquered alot of France in the Hundred Years War, but of course you never would have heard of that. Britain gave America alot like people have said - language, political ideas etc, and not to mention decent music :cool:

But anyway, on the list, Ignorance should be up there. I mean, i went to America this summer and someone asked me if we had ketchup in Britain. Many Americans dont know the difference between England and Britain, aand have never heard of places like Wales and Scotland. I'm English and i could list a good number of American states and at least recognize at accent or something like that.

Mezazoic said alot of crap in that post slating Britain, germany and france. Firstly, Britain only ever got defeated once by America in the independance war, and America may have been weaker but they had France on their side aswell. Britain has never been almost taken over by France, our country has only been successfully invaded once and that was in 1066 by William the Conquerer. We actually conquered alot of France in the Hundred Years War, but of course you never would have heard of that. Britain gave America alot like people have said - language, political ideas etc, and not to mention decent music :cool:

But anyway, on the list, Ignorance should be up there. I mean, i went to America this summer and someone asked me if we had ketchup in Britain. Many Americans dont know the difference between England and Britain, aand have never heard of places like Wales and Scotland. I'm English and i could list a good number of American states and at least recognize at accent or something like that.

You, sir, are truly enlightened.

But anyway, on the list, Ignorance should be up there. I mean, i went to America this summer and someone asked me if we had ketchup in Britain.

When I was over there (Britain), they kept calling it "red sauce." Tasted like ketchup...

Yes yes

A rose by any other name...

Let's ask Vietnam if it was a war...

It's a legal distinction, but it is a distinction.

You asked the question. I answered.

You know, this whole thread makes me very sad. I am an American...and at that, an American soldier. I'm not necessarily sad that people are pointing at all of our faults. More accurately, I am sad because most of them are true. We do have a lot of problems. Unfortunately, those problems are manifest and represented by an overwhelmingly small majority of Americans.

The world does not know the average American. The average American loves family and friendships, their children and their work. We honor and value our word and our actions.

The average American is not a war-monger, nor a nationalist. We do not want to "take over" any country, or harm any peoples. We only want peace, prosperity, and a good future for our children...and a good beer.

We love sports and cookouts on the weekends. We're good to our wives (most of us, anyway)....

We love to laugh and have a good time with friends.

Most of us consider the rest of the world to be exotic - a place to one day see if we're lucky enough to have the opportunity.

We don't know much about the rest of the world, or even about our own, which is sad, but reasoned by the fact that we like our own little worlds, with family and friends, and just want to be left alone to live our lives individually. Americans are individuals with a shared idea.

We have horrible crime and poverty, corrupt politicians, misdirect policies and knee-jerk reactions - just like any and every other nation.

We use our place and status in the world for both good and bad reasons. We do, as a government, impose way too much will on the rest of the world...but we also, as a government, help out as much as we can.

We are imperfect, we can be mean and inconsiderate. We hurt and destroy, and we love and create.

We are the good, the bad, and the ugly, The beautiful and the scarred. The righteous and the evil.

We are human.

Nice to meet you.

My own father was an Italian American, his mother and father moved them here (to Canada) and made a life for themselves when they began to feel that the afformentioned problems in the US were getting to be too much for them to handle. I am proud of my fathers American heritage, but ashamed of the countries problems and inherently of the association that has unfortunately come to be branded on all people living in the US by proxy.

I could not agree more with this statement, however, as far as making all nations equal on that level - i am sorry to report that my feelings toward the attitudes of people in the US remain unchanged. Its not that I think they are all bad people, but there is an overwhelming tendancy to have a more 'blind' faith in the policies of their leaders, and to march lock-step into battle (among other things - ie trade sanctions) when it is requested and in some cases demanded of the American people.

I know that all nations have their problems, but as a Canadian (and one who lives literally five minutes from the border) I can say in all honesty that there are major differences in the way US citizens hold their pride. Perhaps its not a bad thing to have this much pride - but i think we've all seen how dangerous it can be when it is used to make the American public a weapon used by their political leaders.

I love the American populace, but i detest their politics and as im sure youve guessed - the willingness of the population to follow it.

We have 200+ Nuclear Missile silos all around our country, we have thousands of military bases around the WORLD. We can strike any country with in a second's notice. We are the most powerful country ever to grace the Earth.

I'm an American.

I hate people like this; make us look like arrogant bastard.

And Bush.
And pop stars and media.
And rap music.

We're sucking right now.

While I agree that Americans are, by and large, a very prideful people, I must disagree that they are more prideful than most of the rest of the world. (Except for Canada, I have not been there.)

I have, however, been to many other countries and found their populations to be just as proportionately, or disproportionately (depending on perspective) full of national pride. I have heard many Americans, as you stated, blindlessely touting their political leader's rhetoric...I have heard the same thing among populations of the 20 or so contries I have visited. Demographically, you will hear the bantering of those in America who blindlessely follow policy much louder than those of us who don't, because those who don't are so fed up that they stay out of it and focus on their own home.

In my opinion, the biggest difference between America and the rest of the world is that the dirt and ugliness of America's corners and closets are exposed to the light of the world's ever-focused attention.

I would imagine most of the same dirt, just as much as most of the same goodness, would be exposed in any other country if the spotlight were turned inward. The dirt would look different, to be sure...but it would still be dirty. The goodness may take different forms...but it would still be pretty.

There's nothing insulting on the list. Just facts why America is NOT cool :)

You mean opinions?

Perfect example right there of why America is NOT cool.... Little penis syndrome.


Now why would we care what a bunch of snobby, stuck up euro trash who cant even fight their own god damn wars think? Hey euro trash heres an idea, shave and shower once and while. That applies to the men in europe as well.

BTW-flame all you want, like i said i dont care what you think.

*sigh*

I rest my case.

Thanks for the compliment Kelja. And as for red sauce, ive lived in Britain my entire life and never heard that before. Where exactly in Britain did you go?

As for us "fighting our own goddamm wars" i dont remember the europeans begging for american help in WWI. America joined because of the sinking of the Lustania and other civilian ships, not because Britain and France came begging at her star and stripes shoe-clad feet.

You aren't patriotic. Your kind is a plague to this world. It's people like you who become terrorists. It's people like you who commit hate crimes. It's people like you that need to be eliminated.

Just because a country can take over doesn't mean that country and it's ideologies is cool. Hitler took over a good portion for awhile, but his belief in intolerance is not something to be desired.

I'm a United States citizen. I wish the 9/11 attacks hit the White House. If it was just military targets, I'd have no issue. The fact that civilains were targeted, that seems wrong. Some claim that 9/11 is just like Pearl Harbor. This fact is true if you think about it. Both times the US of A was attacked as it was viewed as lacking honor. Both times the government had knowledge it was going to happen. While they may not have known the targets and date Osama was going to use, they still did nothing to prevent it. Likewise, the government knew that the Japanese were going to attack. They did nothing to prevent this from happening. They did however move their better ships out of the area prior to the attack. Don't believe me? Then do some research you ignorant twit. You probably buy the "magic bullet" theory about Kennedy too.

George W Bush not only stole the election but is screwing up this country and the world. I think Dubya and associates should be put on trial for their crimes. Gore is our true President. Bush is a dictator who seized control.

As for Saddam, he needed to be taken out. This is a fact. I do not supoort though the lies about the "weapons of mass destruction", how they claim Saddam was involved with 9/11 when he wasn't, and how the military handled/is handling the situation. How do I know for a fact that Saddam needed to be taken out? I have a friend who was part of a unit in Iraq's military when they invaded Kuwait.

And Karl Marx knew what he was talking about.

Hear hear.. *plants huge kiss on Wolfholme's cheek*

Oh, and i forgot to add in my origional post, Mezazoic saying Germany lost a war to the world is quite funny really. A single powerful nation with relatively weak allies loses against 4 superpowers as it's surrounded on all fronts and its people are starving to death by the end of the war? I never would have expected that.

Oh, and i forgot to add in my origional post, Mezazoic saying Germany lost a war to the world is quite funny really. A single powerful nation with relatively weak allies loses against 4 superpowers as it's surrounded on all fronts and its people are starving to death by the end of the war? I never would have expected that.

yeah, that wasn't too bright of an idea

Thanks for the compliment Kelja. And as for red sauce, ive lived in Britain my entire life and never heard that before. Where exactly in Britain did you go?


This was in Belfast...oh god what was that stuff?

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Mesazoic, your vast arsenal of nukes is pretty irrelevant, even Britain, if it so chose could destroy the whole world several times over merely by firing our weapons into the ground. In any case military superiority is surely not the best feature of any country- does this mean that Nazi Germany, or the USSR were 'cooler' countries than any of the European countries they overran?

If any other country had anywhere near your military power you'd be calling them dangerous rogue states with designs on world control, rather than lauding their intrinsic brilliance.

I was just busting your balls. Don't worry about it.
;) I'm a girl, so you can't!

Figuratively speaking of course.

Now why would we care what a bunch of snobby, stuck up euro trash who cant even fight their own god damn wars think? Hey euro trash heres an idea, shave and shower once and while. That applies to the men in europe as well.

BTW-flame all you want, like i said i dont care what you think.
Ok, I don't care what you "think" (that is, if you actually DO think), however it doesn't dismiss the fact that this is a flamebait, and it will warrent flaming and rightfully so.

Enjoy your time here until a mod busts your ass down.

FLAMEBAIT!

Figuratively speaking of course.
Oh, of course. :D

Anybody still counting?

I'm nominating this for #20:

Taken from a recent news article:


The basis for "functional literacy" included such things as being able to read a map and a bus schedule. :eek: I have to drive to LA tomorrow - I'm not counting on anybody being able to read the stop signs.


What do you expect from a public school system controlled by Communist Liberal bastards?

Hey I got a bunch of other reasons:

- the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA)
- the RIAA and the MPAA
- Pretending to go to war for WMA but leaving North Korea running free
- Pretending to go to war to take out a tyrant but leaving Kim Jong Il (and so many others) running free
- Pretending to care about oppressed people and not doing anything about Tibet, Myanmar, Palestine and so many other countries
- Monsanto
- Helping war criminal Ariel Sharon set up apartheid in the middle east.
- Microsoft
- Having 10M children not covered by health insurance
- Introducing the world to software and "business method" patents
- SUVs
- Mc Donalds
- Having an electoral college

I could go on all day...

In my opinion, the biggest difference between America and the rest of the world is that the dirt and ugliness of America's corners and closets are exposed to the light of the world's ever-focused attention.

I would imagine most of the same dirt, just as much as most of the same goodness, would be exposed in any other country if the spotlight were turned inward. The dirt would look different, to be sure...but it would still be dirty. The goodness may take different forms...but it would still be pretty.

I couldnt agree more with you who art truly a gentleman of noble words.

Believe me Canada is not innocent or in any means dirt free, our government is very corrupt too, but luckily (or perhaps not depending on perspective as you put it) Canadians have made a habit out of continuing questioning of our governments actions - at every step. Sometimes this makes us Candians seem like fence sitters, and yes we do have a tendancy to take a lot of time to deal with issues that people south of us deal with very swiftly but there are pros and cons on both sides of that.

We have the same problems as people in the US, we have the same vices and the same greed, it just seems less pre-dominant here.

Of course thats an opinion and is easily disputed with other contradicting opinions - but its my opinion and i take pride in that.

Perhaps we should make a thread about why the human race is not cool, since we could apply nearly all of the worlds problems to that thread.

I am an american
I am a Texan
i am proud to live under the ideas that this country was founded on that made it such a great place to live so many years ago

those ideas now only exit in a small minority
i am self-suficient, i value my freedom, i respect the rights of others and do not enforce my opinions onto others, i am generous when i have it to spare and i strike hard when that which i care about it threatened

i am proud of the ideas of my country
i am ashamed of my country, or more accurately, what it has become.....

i don't agree with every reason i saw listed as something wrong with America...but i also know that when i say i am proud to be american, its because i like what it did once mean, and likely will never mean again...



our country was founded initially over some guys who didn't want to get screwed (in their opinions) over some money...not the average joe....but the priviledged caste...as a result we have the American Revolution (or Rebellion, depends on your view) so we fought with Britian, but it took the help of the French to gain our independance...not or the indpendance, but for money

years later we fought amoungst ourselves, many many many many people died, not for freedom of some slaves, but over money

later still we took part in a war that only affected us indirectly to assist both the French and the British, why? Because we believed in the profit that can be made from war....not for any threat to us really....but again....for money...

agian the world erupted in the flames of war as one mans driven vision and an islands nations attempt to expand put Nazi flags in France and had Britian echoing with the constant bombs of Nazi Germany...it could be argued that eventually the French would have pushed them out or Britian would have come back, but the cost in lives would have been much greater than the many lost when American troops came to fight with and die for countries that we at the time called friends....oh yeah...and the war pulled us out of our economic depression....so for glory, and for money...

with the long rich histories of both France and England i am sure we can look back and see why other countries still curse the names of both of these countries, India, Ireland, South Africa for example

Germany STILL stuggles to lose the horrible shadow of the swastika and France is a country with the proud history of their own revolution....

no one is perfect
you are proud...i am proud
and i don't condem you for your country of origin
this was a sad post
how can anyone who will so willingly mock another call themselves a person of honor or merit?

You went to Belfast?! That would explain it then. The Irish are a strange bunch :D Nah im just joking. But Ireland is different to England so they may well call it red sauce in some parts there.

5) having a Bush in the White House
6) MacDonalds
7) Hollywood

I dont know of any MacDonalds, you guys are so gay, you cant focus on why Europe is so great so you try to make us look bad why dont you lazy assholes just mind your own damn business! See what an effect we have on the world, you have McDonalds there too, its McDonalds, not MacDonalds, British piece of shit. America didnt start the war Bush did, your so jealous of us, and it shows, there was once a thread that said how united Europe is. YOU REALLY ARENT UNITED! You all have different languages, not all of you have the Europe and many of you hate each other such as Ireland and England, Germany and Poland. Why dont you focus on your own problems and than work on yours.

I dunno what number your on so i shall use 123456789) being rediculously patriotic i.e. going far enough to write reasons why your country is great

My own father was an Italian American, his mother and father moved them here (to Canada) and made a life for themselves when they began to feel that the afformentioned problems in the US were getting to be too much for them to handle. I am proud of my fathers American heritage, but ashamed of the countries problems and inherently of the association that has unfortunately come to be branded on all people living in the US by proxy.

I could not agree more with this statement, however, as far as making all nations equal on that level - i am sorry to report that my feelings toward the attitudes of people in the US remain unchanged. Its not that I think they are all bad people, but there is an overwhelming tendancy to have a more 'blind' faith in the policies of their leaders, and to march lock-step into battle (among other things - ie trade sanctions) when it is requested and in some cases demanded of the American people.

I know that all nations have their problems, but as a Canadian (and one who lives literally five minutes from the border) I can say in all honesty that there are major differences in the way US citizens hold their pride. Perhaps its not a bad thing to have this much pride - but i think we've all seen how dangerous it can be when it is used to make the American public a weapon used by their political leaders.

I love the American populace, but i detest their politics and as im sure youve guessed - the willingness of the population to follow it.

As an American also with Italian Heritage, Im proud to you as a neighbor to the north :)

I dunno what number your on so i shall use 123456789) being rediculously patriotic i.e. going far enough to write reasons why your country is great

Your country would probably be a nine... on the corruption meter.

stopping talking about europe like we're not united. all you need to do is look at european elections with their massive turnouts up to 20% in some places.

by the way i like the idea of a united europe but the eu isn't that great (still better than america because we have the french who have the sexiest language and ze germans who r a bit odd) woo go europe

These threads are really starting to piss me off.

I'm an american and I don't want to live in any other country, and I thank God every day that I don't have to. Being born here was a blessing, especially since I've been absolutely revolted by the conditions of many countries I've been too (including europe) In fact, the whole 1/3 poverty is total crap anyway. Something like 75% of these people have a home, color T.V. and other "essentials" not to mention plenty of food. Americas poverty line is set pretty high compared to most.

Why do you even care anyway? Complaining about us makes me wan't to believe that you're just jealous cause if you weren't, why would you have brought it up? The great thing about living in another country is that you don't have to live with us "dirty americans" so stop your bitchin!

:headbang: Fools

3) Starbucks.
4) Will Smith.

Dude starbucks kicks ass, and Will Smith is hilarious.

We have 200+ Nuclear Missile silos all around our country, we have thousands of military bases around the WORLD. We can strike any country with in a second's notice. We are the most powerful country ever to grace the Earth.

The United States have not managed to secure one third world nation using a third of their armed forces. Conclusion, they would not even be able to succesfully occupy a single Western European country.

So what if you have Nuclear Weapons, so does every one else, icluding Kazakstan! It only takes one Nuke to take out Manhatten.

you cannot not seriously say we are corrupt when nearly all of your politicians are bankrolled by big buisness

This insults me to my CORE. I personaly dont give a damn of what you forieners think, but this is an Insult to my pride for my country, wich could very easly kick Britton's Ass, Canada's ass, we could utterly destroy any country on earth. We can take the entire damn world on and have a chance of winning.


1) for sure hope they WONT take you in the army.
2) whats your point? taking over allies? wtf?!?
3) lets put it this way you guys can take over the world but if asians americans and african american were to say lets take over uSA...

well ITS DONE! already. so please... you ahve therght to remain in silence so stfu! enough stupidity pls..

no offense intended but really dude...

oh yeah:

4) letting 2 airplane crashin NY WOW!!!! where was your army then? go explain that to all the victim's family!

stop making a coutry that i like seem so retarded. :headbang:

These threads are really starting to piss me off.

I'm an american and I don't want to live in any other country, and I thank God every day that I don't have to. Being born here was a blessing, especially since I've been absolutely revolted by the conditions of many countries I've been too (including europe) In fact, the whole 1/3 poverty is total crap anyway. Something like 75% of these people have a home, color T.V. and other "essentials" not to mention plenty of food. Americas poverty line is set pretty high compared to most.

Why do you even care anyway? Complaining about us makes me wan't to believe that you're just jealous cause if you weren't, why would you have brought it up? The great thing about living in another country is that you don't have to live with us "dirty americans" so stop your bitchin!

:headbang: Fools

I was in Europe about a month ago, I love Europe but I hate Europeans, some of them were nice, but a lot of them were so snotty, also Europe is very bad for a raod trip.

you cannot not seriously say we are corrupt when nearly all of your politicians are bankrolled by big buisness

Not corrupt in that sence, I agree, we do have ONE enrolled in big business, but at least we have big business.

As an American also with Italian Heritage, Im proud to you as a neighbor to the north :)

nice to meet you.

Are you as sad as I am to note what has become of this forum??

I look at some of these posts and have to shake my head.
I mean, using McDonalds as an argument? Thats Absurd.

I liked that post by 'Haunt' though, and 'Keljamistan' has made some excellent posts as well.

1) for sure hope they WONT take you in the army.
2) whats your point? taking over allies? wtf?!?
3) lets put it this way you guys can take over the world but if asians americans and african american were to say lets take over uSA...

well ITS DONE! already. so please... you ahve therght to remain in silence so stfu! enough stupidity pls..

no offense intended but really dude...

oh yeah:

4) letting 2 airplane crashin NY WOW!!!! where was your army then? go explain that to all the victim's family!

stop making a coutry that i like seem so retarded. :headbang:

You just brought shame to your country uSA its USA, therght??? No idea what you meant there, or with asians americans and african american were to say lets take over the USA what are you talking about, the majority is white, and why would we have an army in the world trade centers or in the airport? I dont know about you but we dont like our tanks running along our streets looking for terrorists, other typos by you avhe. Your retarded :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:

Its really easy to think of reasons why the US sucks, beacuse it sucks at most things.
Wouldn't it be be more challenging to think of good things about the US, that is a lot harder. I have racked my brain and can only think of only 10 reasons off the top of my head:

1, Hip Hop music and culture (the early days up to 1998)
2, Hamburgers (come on, evryone has to admit that sometimes all you want is a burger)
3, California architecture
4, California wine
5, American Olympic Athletes (ok they didn't invent the Olympics, but now they dominate it!)
6, Peanut Butter (very cheap source of protein, and recess pieces are great)
7, Surfing
8, Skateboarding
9, Basketball (ok not as good as English invented sports, but still pretty fun)
10, California environmental policy (leads the world in progressive Environmental policy, even with Arnold in charge)

nice to meet you.

Are you as sad as I am to note what has become of this forum??

I look at some of these posts and have to shake my head.
I mean, using McDonalds as an argument? Thats Absurd.

I liked that post by 'Haunt' though, and 'Keljamistan' has made some excellent posts as well.

They insult McDonalds, even though they are stationed throughout there countrys and while I was recently in Italy there were tons of people in the Roman train station MCDonalds, I ordered a Big Mac and along with it being greasier bigger and worse tasting than American burgers it didnt have the special sauce.

Its really easy to think of reasons why the US sucks, beacuse it sucks at most things.
Wouldn't it be be more challenging to think of good things about the US, that is a lot harder. I have racked my brain and can only think of only 10 reasons off the top of my head:

1, Hip Hop music and culture (the early days up to 1998)
2, Hamburgers (come on, evryone has to admit that sometimes all you want is a burger)
3, California architecture
4, California wine
5, American Olympic Athletes (ok they didn't invent the Olympics, but now they dominate it!)
6, Peanut Butter (very cheap source of protein, and recess pieces are great)
7, Surfing
8, Skateboarding
9, Basketball (ok not as good as English invented sports, but still pretty fun)
10, California environmental policy (leads the world in progressive Environmental policy, even with Arnold in charge)

While I dont apreciate telling us we suck thank you for saying good things about us. WE have more things too you know, seriosly dont judge us until you come here. You can insult us all you want but first see our history our landmarks our way of living before you insult us.

this is as bad as the person who posted the 37 reasons why America is great. Europe may have some things better, then again there are places that have it better than europe. Sadly this is going to continue, we have entered an era of ignorance and tit-for-tat oneupsmanship that shows no sign of abating. And believe me there are plenty of people in America who would agree with the posts here and elsewhere America is not the be all end all despite what the idiots currently squatting on Penn. Ave. would have everyone believe.

I just thought of 3 more good things about America to add to the original list:

11, Information Technology and the Internet
12, Advances in space flight and satellite technology
13, Helping out the allies in World War II (even though they were a bit late)

Fuck all of you... obviously you people have no fucking life if you get on the internet and bash America... Wouldnt live any where else.

Its really easy to think of reasons why the US sucks, beacuse it sucks at most things.
Wouldn't it be be more challenging to think of good things about the US, that is a lot harder. I have racked my brain and can only think of only 10 reasons off the top of my head:

1, Hip Hop music and culture (the early days up to 1998)
2, Hamburgers (come on, evryone has to admit that sometimes all you want is a burger)
3, California architecture
4, California wine
5, American Olympic Athletes (ok they didn't invent the Olympics, but now they dominate it!)
6, Peanut Butter (very cheap source of protein, and recess pieces are great)
7, Surfing
8, Skateboarding
9, Basketball (ok not as good as English invented sports, but still pretty fun)
10, California environmental policy (leads the world in progressive Environmental policy, even with Arnold in charge)


Not to bust your balls, but surfing was a part of Hawaiian culture before the americas, and basketball was in fact invented by a Canadian.

oh, and as far as Californian environmental policy, they havent invented anything, they have however followed northern european standards and Canadian implementations. The US politicians (not very gracefully) also said to hell with Kyoto despite the overwhelming amount of emissions and polution that comes from their nation (last time i checked the US was number one in polution).

random fact checking. :D

Fuck all of you... obviously you people have no fucking life if you get on the internet and bash America... Wouldnt live any where else.

apparently you havent read all of the posts.

trry doing that first and then come back and insult us all ok.

there are some ppl here who arent in existence to bash the US.

We have 200+ Nuclear Missile silos all around our country, we have thousands of military bases around the WORLD. We can strike any country with in a second's notice. We are the most powerful country ever to grace the Earth.

The roman empire and the british empire felt the same way at different points in their existence (as did the french and other empires) and look what happened to all of them granted Britain and France faired better than Rome in that they kept their nation alive even after losing empire but they still lost it. Pride cometh before a fall and sentiments like this are the famous last words of an empire before it falls. We could obliterate the world with nukes, that is true but we would be left with nothing and we might as well just obliterate ourselves in the process.

Firstly, please stop using simple spelling errors as arguments. So what, he missed out a capital letter, i dont think that shows much about his country.
I think NeitNJ has a point. You glorify your army and how great it is, but he is right, they couldnt stop 9/11. And you are being very dumb by taking his use of the word "army" so literally. He didnt mean tanks trawling the streets for terroists, he meant things the army intelligence service.
And Gallian saying that 75% of "these people" have color TV's (if he is referring to europeans) is a load of shite. Sure, he's been to a big european city and of course you're not going to alot of poverty there, but when you head out toward Eastern Europe the people there live a very harsh and poor existence torn by hunger and war.

I don't get the whole poverty thing, I walk through the poorest neighborhood in Worcester and every has a car, TV, and probably food. Sure there are hungry people in America, but where the hell are they?

The US politicians (not very gracefully) also said to hell with Kyoto despite the overwhelming amount of emissions and polution that comes from their nation (last time i checked the US was number one in polution).

random fact checking. :D

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT! We have regulations, # one is China! Followed by many other Asian countrys, you are soooooo stupid! :headbang: :headbang: China has no regulations because they think it will make them uncompetitive.

AND used to contain coke

- Largest and most Mafia organisations in the world

Yes coca cola contained coca which is the plant used to produce cocaine

Our mafia and its rise was an import and continues to be so, they became more visible when the idiotic idea of prohibition on alcohol came into being and we all know how that turned out...I'm just waiting until they realize the same thing with regard to the supposed war on drugs.

Firstly, please stop using simple spelling errors as arguments. So what, he missed out a capital letter, i dont think that shows much about his country.
I think NeitNJ has a point. You glorify your army and how great it is, but he is right, they couldnt stop 9/11. And you are being very dumb by taking his use of the word "army" so literally. He didnt mean tanks trawling the streets for terroists, he meant things the army intelligence service.
And Gallian saying that 75% of "these people" have color TV's (if he is referring to europeans) is a load of shite. Sure, he's been to a big european city and of course you're not going to alot of poverty there, but when you head out toward Eastern Europe the people there live a very harsh and poor existence torn by hunger and war.

YOu mean the CIA and FBI? IF YOU KNEW ANYTHING ABOUT 9/11 YOU WOULD KNOW THAT THE CIA WARNED BUSH FOR ABOUT A MONTH ABOUT THESE WARNINGS BUT OUR DUMB PRESIDENT WAS TOO BUSY PARADING IN TEXAS AND IGNORED EVERYTHING! ITS BUSH'S FAULT NOT THE CIA! The army has nothing to do with our country in times of piece, we dont have people running around airports looking for terrorists!!! Also it seems that you are proud of Europes poverty why are you dissing your own country?

Dude. Vietnam.

I wouldn't even suggest that one, it was not a declared war (only congress can officially declare war) and there were a lot of other problems there, remember that france also lost vietnam (they were there as a colonial power) we were just gullible enough to believe the lies sold to us by those administrations...hmmm sound familiar?

Fuck all of you... obviously you people have no fucking life if you get on the internet and bash America... Wouldnt live any where else.


Hey, I can do whatever the hell I please and say whatever the hell I want about America because I -am- American. It doesn't mean I have no life...in fact, the fact that you could get on here and bash US for bashing something shows that it is you, my dear friend, who has no life. At least we're contributing to intelligent conversation. All you did was string a few colorful insults and random words together, call it a sentence, and slap it down.

Pssh. People like you are the reason why I hate America.

Hey I got a bunch of other reasons:

- the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA)
- the RIAA and the MPAA
- Pretending to go to war for WMA but leaving North Korea running free
- Pretending to go to war to take out a tyrant but leaving Kim Jong Il (and so many others) running free
- Pretending to care about oppressed people and not doing anything about Tibet, Myanmar, Palestine and so many other countries
- Monsanto
- Helping war criminal Ariel Sharon set up apartheid in the middle east.
- Microsoft
- Having 10M children not covered by health insurance
- Introducing the world to software and "business method" patents
- SUVs
- Mc Donalds
- Having an electoral college

I could go on all day...

many things wrong with this, first of all, its WMD not WMA! whats so frekkin bad about MCDonalds, software and business methods are good, and Microsoft has many useful things about it. Oh and SUVs are better than mini vans, and plus, Germany, and Japan also have SUVs, stupid! and there is a highbrid SUV coming out, with 50 MPGs!

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT! We have regulations, # one is China! Followed by many other Asian countrys, you are soooooo stupid! :headbang: :headbang: China has no regulations because they think it will make them uncompetitive.

first of all, i am not saying that the US has no regulation, i am saying that they bowed out of Kyoto for economic reasons - showing true colour.
and the original point was that they really have not invented any new procedures or protocols, just followed others examples (though thats not a bad thing, just that they really cant take credit for the idea which was what the original post would have it seem.)

also, i am making reference to first world developed nations as far as emmision and polution contributes, look and see who heads that list will you, and then get back to me.

You know, this whole thread makes me very sad. I am an American...and at that, an American soldier. I'm not necessarily sad that people are pointing at all of our faults. More accurately, I am sad because most of them are true. We do have a lot of problems. Unfortunately, those problems are manifest and represented by an overwhelmingly small majority of Americans.

The world does not know the average American. The average American loves family and friendships, their children and their work. We honor and value our word and our actions.

The average American is not a war-monger, nor a nationalist. We do not want to "take over" any country, or harm any peoples. We only want peace, prosperity, and a good future for our children...and a good beer.

We love sports and cookouts on the weekends. We're good to our wives (most of us, anyway)....

We love to laugh and have a good time with friends.

Most of us consider the rest of the world to be exotic - a place to one day see if we're lucky enough to have the opportunity.

We don't know much about the rest of the world, or even about our own, which is sad, but reasoned by the fact that we like our own little worlds, with family and friends, and just want to be left alone to live our lives individually. Americans are individuals with a shared idea.

We have horrible crime and poverty, corrupt politicians, misdirect policies and knee-jerk reactions - just like any and every other nation.

We use our place and status in the world for both good and bad reasons. We do, as a government, impose way too much will on the rest of the world...but we also, as a government, help out as much as we can.

We are imperfect, we can be mean and inconsiderate. We hurt and destroy, and we love and create.

We are the good, the bad, and the ugly, The beautiful and the scarred. The righteous and the evil.

We are human.

Nice to meet you.

Thanks for that, I needed to read something like that not because the America bashing got to me but it showed that there is someone else out there in America who feels the same way I do.

What amazes me is that none of you realize that it is your self professed and often perpetrated disdain for either America or Europe that only propagates and feeds the fire of that hatred.

If you are European, and calling Americans stupid, you make Americans hate you.

If you are American, and calling Europeans stupid, you make Europeans hate you.

Neither of you will ever convince the other of your superiority, so why bother?

There is much stomping and gnashing of teeth.

Im Patriotic, what can i say?
wanna be even more patriotic? help me get out of this country. either pay for me to move to cananda of help me get a job (which is seemingly impossible here) so i can save up my cans of spam and toenail clippings that they call a paycheck so i can get myself outta here. :mad:

Thanks for that, I needed to read something like that not because the America bashing got to me but it showed that there is someone else out there in America who feels the same way I do.

You're welcome. Glad to see that someone shares the sentiment.

God I hate these threads. I'm american. I'm smart enough to see that we have problems that aren't going to be fixed soon. That isn't a big secret. My question to all non-citizens of the US is: why are you so concerned with us? If you don't like my country, then don't come here, don't buy stuff from here, don't ask us for money, and don't expect us to help you if some asshole decides to cross your border that you can't handle. You can bitch about our leaders and our way of life till you turn blue in the face, just as some high school kid who has a limited grasp of our national war record can claim that we took over Canada. It is a waste of time. When I think of other countries, for the most part I think of the things I love about them. When I think of Europe, I think of walking through Lieden or the beaches of the Med. When I think of Australia, I think of a rugged wilderness that is a photographer's paradise. When I think of the Middle East, I try to think of the cradle of civilization and the ancient architecture. Ok, so when I think of Central and South America I mainly thinking of latin women that make me drool....but in that way I'm glad certain stereotypes are based in fact. Hey, I spent 9 years living in Miami. Rice and Beans isn't the only thing that you get a taste for in the tropics!
The point is, when I think of my nation, I think of both the amazing things in the world today that originated here, and the price that was paid to reap such dividends. I think of all the advances in technology, science, and personal freedoms that began or were rekindled here. What European power was governed without a monarchy in power before our founders' experiment across the pond began it's fragile existence?
Do we have poverty? yes. Is that the design of the nation...in a sense yes. The schools are just fine. it's the society that has become too weak and PC to maintain order. And the fact remains that if you work hard in this country, you can be anything that you want to be. By the impression I get of what foreigners think is wealthy, I'm in the upper class. Does that mean I control the lives of others and force them to do slave labor? No. Does that mean that I expect that if they want to advance they must take their life in their own hands and work as I did to achieve this level of comfort? Yes. And how does one attain great personal wealth starting from nothing in countries that are socialized tothe benefit of the unambitious (as is estimated by myself and almost everyone that I know)?
Far too often I've heard from my ex-inlaws in Holland and friends in the UK that the foreign impression of the US is what they see on the television. Now if any among you have ever thought that this is a land of close to 300 million potential Jerry Springer guests, then you are no better a judge of American culture than a person who believes that Every Dutchman is stoned, all Germans are Nazis, The French have had absolutely no military sucess in their long history, or that all Polish people are stupid.
So instead of bashing America. Why don't you bash your own perfect country for a while. If you don't bother us for anything then you will be much better off. Let us sort out or problems on our own. We are a young nation or people from every culture on the world trying to find a balance that appeases the most amount of people as quickly as opinions change. That is a tall order to fill, so give us a break. If you wholeheartedly disagree with me, then please explain why. I'm not so much of an arrogant american (although I'm told we all are by birth) that I won't welcome an inteligent debate that might enlighten my outlook, and perhaps help me see where i can improve things in any capacity afforded me.

Mezazoic said alot of crap in that post slating Britain, germany and france. Firstly, Britain only ever got defeated once by America in the independance war, and America may have been weaker but they had France on their side aswell. Britain has never been almost taken over by France, our country has only been successfully invaded once and that was in 1066 by William the Conquerer. We actually conquered alot of France in the Hundred Years War, but of course you never would have heard of that. Britain gave America alot like people have said - language, political ideas etc, and not to mention decent music :cool:


I would take exception to the idea that it was britain who gave us our political ideas. Our revolution was fought to escape from british rule and the way we were ruled by that form of government. Rather our ideals came more from the greek Democritus, and to be even more specific Plato as we are a democratic republic, not a democracy with simple majority rule (that in and of itself would go against our constitution).

The majority of our governmental system draws even more from the Iroquois Indians and their confederacy (this is how the union of states and representative government originally formed) where we would have our individual tribes (ie our states) yet have representatives from our tribes meet (ie the federal level of government) to make decisions for the good of the entire confederacy while still allowing the states to govern day to day life.

What amazes me is that none of you realize that it is your self professed and often perpetrated disdain for either America or Europe that only propagates and feeds the fire of that hatred.

If you are European, and calling Americans stupid, you make Americans hate you.

If you are American, and calling Europeans stupid, you make Europeans hate you.

Neither of you will ever convince the other of your superiority, so why bother?

There is much stomping and gnashing of teeth.

Yep, give this man a cigar, I have been saying this in so many forums it isn't even funny fighting ignorance and arrogance with ignorance and arrogance only makes it worse.

If any of you are americans having you insulting gits we have you so count your self on the list
Oh, thats another reason (maybe Reasons) that damn patriot act, btw, if you try and trace me, you will find my computer in every country, including ones that don't even have computers HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

This insults me to my CORE. I personaly dont give a damn of what you forieners think, but this is an Insult to my pride for my country, wich could very easly kick Britton's Ass, Canada's ass, we could utterly destroy any country on earth. We can take the entire damn world on and have a chance of winning.
2) Mesazoic and his ilk.

What number are we on?


#) Civil liberties. That a definite no no against America. I mean, c'mon, who wants to go around knowing that it is illegal for companies to judge you by how you look?

What amazes me is that none of you realize that it is your self professed and often perpetrated disdain for either America or Europe that only propagates and feeds the fire of that hatred.

If you are European, and calling Americans stupid, you make Americans hate you.

If you are American, and calling Europeans stupid, you make Europeans hate you.

Neither of you will ever convince the other of your superiority, so why bother?

There is much stomping and gnashing of teeth.

again, thank you for saying what i have not the words to dispose.
you are a gentle genius.

Some claim that 9/11 is just like Pearl Harbor. This fact is true if you think about it.

Actually, it's slightly different. For one, Hawaii was not a state. It was a colony occupied by an outside military. Now it's officially "ours".

I hate to point it out, but it actually has nothing to do with rich states. George Bush, in fact, won many poor states, which countered Al Gore's rich states.

The election has nothing to do with wealth. It had to do with this little thing called an electoral college, which means the person who wins the majority of popular votes does not automatically win the election -- it goes to the person who wins the majority of electoral votes.

It's always been that way.

And 2000 wasn't the first time the person who wins the election won fewer popular votes.
It was the first time that the 'winner' had people chucking things at him as he went to the inauguration ceremony. Seriously though, the electorial college needs to be done away with, it was only done because the founding fathers didn't trust the US citizens to be informed enough to make decisions for themselves. And in this current age, where a 15 year old kid (albeit a rather gifted kid) can expose government secrets, I don't think that holds true anymore.
Oh, another reason: People who ignorantly insist that American Government is a democracy. Its a republic, if it were a true democracy, we would have to vote every day.

It was the first time that the 'winner' had people chucking things at him as he went to the inauguration ceremony. Seriously though, the electorial college needs to be done away with, it was only done because the founding fathers didn't trust the US citizens to be informed enough to make decisions for themselves. And in this current age, where a 15 year old kid (albeit a rather gifted kid) can expose government secrets, I don't think that holds true anymore.
Oh, another reason: People who ignorantly insist that American Government is a democracy. Its a republic, if it were a true democracy, we would have to vote every day.

and would wind up living in a dictatorship by the majority leaving the minority disillusioned and alone. A true democracy would be just as horrible as the most brutal dictatorship to those who are in the minority and find themselves oppressed.

If you dont LIVE in the USA, you dont know jack shit about it, and i probally just insulted my self by saying this...anyway. Im realy going to love watching you pansys whine about Bush being re-elected. Freeing a Natoin from a tyrant dosent seem to make people happy anymore, assholes.
Are you still here?

Btw, if bush gets elected again, it will be because his buddies will block his opposition from getting to the polls, and the state that 'wins' it for him will *GASP* be run by his BROTHER!!!! (Check the facts people, it happened last time)

Also, if this crime on humanity occurs, I will be in Canada, with the public healthcare and the good beer.

So? that's not a good thing...

With all the money America spends on the military so they can 'kick Britton's Ass' and 'Canada's ass' (both totally worthwhile things to do, I'm sure :rolleyes:), you could get the 1/3 of your population suffering below the poverty line back back into something resembling civilization, you could be creating a modern and all-encompassing school system to train people to benefit your society. You could be doing anything.


You know, there was a great study done recently which showed that ~80% of America's "poverty stricken poor" owned at least one car, had a stable residence, running water, electricity, an average of TWO TELEVISIONS (I'm not making this up), central heating, food stores meeting all government nutritional recommendations, access to free healthcare and education, a VCR, a telephone, and access to modern technology and the Internet (through libraries and government centers, if they didn't own them themselves). In MOST of the world, they would be considered quite wealthy.

Far less than 1% of the population of the U.S. lives in the type of abject poverty that you see in nations like India, Bangladesh, and across regions like Africa, and even that number is dwindling every year.

michael moore used to rule. he wasn't allowed on yankee tv so he made tv programs for british tv, in america. i haven't seen his films.
He still does rule, now admitted, he has a tendency to interpret facts in unusual ways. But never does he out and out LIE. And most of the people who are up in arms about Fareinheit (sp?) 9/11 HAVEN'T EVEN SEEN IT!!!
Rule #1 when talking to me: If you haven't tried it, don't diss it. And I can talk, I live in the city that started the 'Harry Potter is Devil Worship' shit (used to go to the school actually) Btw, when will the conservatives learn that creating controversy just makes more people interested?

It's funny how people from other nations hate america but when an evil dictator takes control or they don't get paid jack for their work they come running or in cuba's case paddling to our borders.

Europe :p :mp5: USA

You know, this whole thread makes me very sad. I am an American...and at that, an American soldier. I'm not necessarily sad that people are pointing at all of our faults. More accurately, I am sad because most of them are true. We do have a lot of problems. Unfortunately, those problems are manifest and represented by an overwhelmingly small majority of Americans.

The world does not know the average American. The average American loves family and friendships, their children and their work. We honor and value our word and our actions.

The average American is not a war-monger, nor a nationalist. We do not want to "take over" any country, or harm any peoples. We only want peace, prosperity, and a good future for our children...and a good beer.

We love sports and cookouts on the weekends. We're good to our wives (most of us, anyway)....

We love to laugh and have a good time with friends.

Most of us consider the rest of the world to be exotic - a place to one day see if we're lucky enough to have the opportunity.

We don't know much about the rest of the world, or even about our own, which is sad, but reasoned by the fact that we like our own little worlds, with family and friends, and just want to be left alone to live our lives individually. Americans are individuals with a shared idea.

We have horrible crime and poverty, corrupt politicians, misdirect policies and knee-jerk reactions - just like any and every other nation.

We use our place and status in the world for both good and bad reasons. We do, as a government, impose way too much will on the rest of the world...but we also, as a government, help out as much as we can.

We are imperfect, we can be mean and inconsiderate. We hurt and destroy, and we love and create.

We are the good, the bad, and the ugly, The beautiful and the scarred. The righteous and the evil.

We are human.

Nice to meet you.
:HUG!!!!:
Maybe that ignorant asshole will shut up now... (prays)

For your informatoin, dureing the War of 1812, we DID try to take over Canada. We have never lost a war, NEVER.

korea, vietnam...........

first of all, i am not saying that the US has no regulation, i am saying that they bowed out of Kyoto for economic reasons - showing true colour.

also, i am making reference to first world developed nations as far as emmision and polution contributes, look and see who heads that list will you, and then get back to me.

There's another problem that non-Americans (and many Americans) tend to forget about...Kyoto would have been unenforceabe in the U.S., because the federal government doesn't have the authority to arbitrarily cap emissions. Non-Americans should look up the "commerce clause", because it's the entire basis for federal authority in the United States. The federal government ONLY has jurisdiction in internal matters if they relate to matters of interstate or international trade. I could set up a CO2 generator behind my property and begin pumping raw greenhouse gasses into the air en masse, and unless I'm selling or shipping a product for money across state lines, the federal government couldn't get involved (the State of California is another matter entirely). Remember, the United States is a federal republic, and the authority of the national government was deliberately limited by its creators. Even if Bush had ratified Kyoto, the courts would have invalidated it the first time the government tried to use it against a stationary power generation station, or a factory that produced goods for in-state usage (like the oil refineries in California).

The very structure of our government prohibits the United States federal government from arbitrarily passing laws to restrict the actions of citizens.

Fuck all of you... obviously you people have no fucking life if you get on the internet and bash America... Wouldnt live any where else.
americans bash other countries all the time

Now why would we care what a bunch of snobby, stuck up euro trash who cant even fight their own god damn wars think? Hey euro trash heres an idea, shave and shower once and while. That applies to the men in europe as well.

BTW-flame all you want, like i said i dont care what you think.
Wow, 'insult' America and out come the flaming trolls....

Vietnam was a complete and total military victory for the Unites States.
There were 1.1 million Vietcong/NVA casualties. (This is not including civilian deaths) There were over 50,000 U.S. Casualties.

Propaganda in the U.S. caused everyone to believe we were losing, and eventually led to us pulling out.

That being said I believe the Vietnam war never should have happened. The majority of Vietnamese wanted to be communist, and we stepped in, forced everyone to vote for who we wanted, and tried to prevent communism from spreading there.

I think NeitNJ has a point. You glorify your army and how great it is, but he is right, they couldnt stop 9/11.

Look up the Posse Comitatus act. The U.S. military is legally prohibited from performing any law enforcement, including intelligence gathering, within the borders of the United States. All domestic law enforcement and intelligence gathering agencies must be civilian controlled and civilian run.

There's another problem that non-Americans (and many Americans) tend to forget about...Kyoto would have been unenforceabe in the U.S., because the federal government doesn't have the authority to arbitrarily cap emissions. Non-Americans should look up the "commerce clause", because it's the entire basis for federal authority in the United States. The federal government ONLY has jurisdiction in internal matters if they relate to matters of interstate or international trade. I could set up a CO2 generator behind my property and begin pumping raw greenhouse gasses into the air en masse, and unless I'm selling or shipping a product for money across state lines, the federal government couldn't get involved (the State of California is another matter entirely). Remember, the United States is a federal republic, and the authority of the national government was deliberately limited by its creators. Even if Bush had ratified Kyoto, the courts would have invalidated it the first time the government tried to use it against a stationary power generation station, or a factory that produced goods for in-state usage (like the oil refineries in California).

The very structure of our government prohibits the United States federal government from arbitrarily passing laws to restrict the actions of citizens.

that does not mean that the principles of Kyoto need not apply, i sure hope youre not saying that.

All countries (yes all of them) need to have a common goal when it comes to reducing our impact on the global environment, because it is unfair to allow environmentally friendly countries suffer at the hands of the less controlled (ie: the smog in Vancouver that we "import" from the Seattle area.)

Canada is not innocent either, but you can bet for damn sure that it lit a fire under Ralph Kleins ass to straighten up his environmental impact in the oil patches of Alberta when Kyoto was accepted. It wont ever fly here either, but its the principle that counts. In some cases, its the principle that gets people looking in the right direction.

Kyoto should at the very least be considered as a proper guideline.

Hear hear.. *plants huge kiss on Wolfholme's cheek*

Glad to see it was appreciated.

Anyway, the person who started this post is really no better than Mesozoic. This becomes apparent when you actually think what this thread is about. This thread is about intolerance.

Every country has its own pros and cons. If any of you bother to take a politics course you'd see that there is not a perfect government system in existence. The harsh reality is that there will never be a perfect government system. The closest thing would be Marxism, but Marxism does not work for one simple reason: humans.

That's right folks. It's human nature that causes all the problems. Man (and woman) is a selfish creature. Man places his priorities first. Even when man helps someone or some thing out, it is never out of the "goodness of his heart". Rather, man does this because it makes him feel better about himself. This fact though is not necessarily a bad thing. This has helped the species survive as long as it has. The fact though is that human greed gets in the way of true equality. Perhaps the species will evolve in time.

I do not understand the concept of patriotism. I found it amusing that on September 10th, 2001, most Americans were not putting a flag out in front of their house. However, two days later you were practically yelled at if you did not. This sudden burst of patriotism lasted about six month before it pretty much died out again. Correction, it was about 6 months until the swell died down a bit. I was shocked, as I only gave it three months. But hey, one can't be right all the time.

The day when the human race does not judge someone on skin color, sex, or nationality is the day that Marxism may work. Those of you who are too ignorant to understand may realize the truth in time. After all, ignorance can be cured by knowledge.

These threads are really starting to piss me off.

I'm an american and I don't want to live in any other country, and I thank God every day that I don't have to. Being born here was a blessing, especially since I've been absolutely revolted by the conditions of many countries I've been too (including europe) In fact, the whole 1/3 poverty is total crap anyway. Something like 75% of these people have a home, color T.V. and other "essentials" not to mention plenty of food. Americas poverty line is set pretty high compared to most.

Why do you even care anyway? Complaining about us makes me wan't to believe that you're just jealous cause if you weren't, why would you have brought it up? The great thing about living in another country is that you don't have to live with us "dirty americans" so stop your bitchin!

:headbang: Fools
No, the poverty line isn't set high, its just that our welfare system is constantly exploited. I saw a news program on people who collect welfare for drug addiction and use the welfare money to buy more drugs...We'll call that reason 37

You just brought shame to your country uSA its USA, therght??? No idea what you meant there, or with asians americans and african american were to say lets take over the USA what are you talking about, the majority is white, and why would we have an army in the world trade centers or in the airport? I dont know about you but we dont like our tanks running along our streets looking for terrorists, other typos by you avhe. Your retarded :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:
Okay, I'm gonna stop responding to you soon, people that use 'retarded' and 'gay' as part of their argument really cheese me off. And White america is basically a minority majority, which is to say that if all the minorities band together, they pretty much outnumber us.

Well yes, America isn't cool, but you guys are making Canada feel really left out.

Okay, I'm gonna stop responding to you soon, people that use 'retarded' and 'gay' as part of their argument really cheese me off.

It's amusing though when they cannot type.

I agree with you though. Using those types of words is not only a sign of a low intelligence and immaturity, but it is also a sign of intolerance. The same intolerance that fuels hate crimes, terrorists, and even Hitler's "Final Solution".

38. So much sexual repression.

But that's not the point. I've heard it said over and over and over that global warming is Bush's fault because he rejected Kyoto. Now, I'm no bush fan (a rabit lefty actually), but that argument is pure BS and I'm consistently suprised that people believe it.

The simple truth is that Kyoto, even if passed, would have had only a minor impact on U.S. greenhouse gas emissions, because the only real greenhouse gas generators that would have fallen under the federal purvue are automobiles (they are manufactured and sold across state lines, and so fall under federal jurisdiction). The governmental architecture in the U.S. was deliberately designed to avoid giving one group or portion of government too much power, and the result is that NO portion of government outside of the local governments has the ability to arbitrarily change the way Americans live.

Besides, anyone who has read Kyoto knows that it was little more than a wealth transfer scheme anyway. By granting nations the ability to sell their pollution "credits", the only thing Kyoto would have accomplished is a transfer of cash from the polluting nations to the non-polluters, as the polluters bought up the non-polluters credits. The non-industrial and island nations would have made a financial killing, but overall world pollution levels wouldn't have seen any major impact. Even the Kyoto authors admitted as much.

You aren't patriotic. Your kind is a plague to this world. It's people like you who become terrorists. It's people like you who commit hate crimes. It's people like you that need to be eliminated.

Just because a country can take over doesn't mean that country and it's ideologies is cool. Hitler took over a good portion for awhile, but his belief in intolerance is not something to be desired.

I'm a United States citizen. I wish the 9/11 attacks hit the White House. If it was just military targets, I'd have no issue. The fact that civilains were targeted, that seems wrong. Some claim that 9/11 is just like Pearl Harbor. This fact is true if you think about it. Both times the US of A was attacked as it was viewed as lacking honor. Both times the government had knowledge it was going to happen. While they may not have known the targets and date Osama was going to use, they still did nothing to prevent it. Likewise, the government knew that the Japanese were going to attack. They did nothing to prevent this from happening. They did however move their better ships out of the area prior to the attack. Don't believe me? Then do some research you ignorant twit. You probably buy the "magic bullet" theory about Kennedy too.

George W Bush not only stole the election but is screwing up this country and the world. I think Dubya and associates should be put on trial for their crimes. Gore is our true President. Bush is a dictator who seized control.

As for Saddam, he needed to be taken out. This is a fact. I do not supoort though the lies about the "weapons of mass destruction", how they claim Saddam was involved with 9/11 when he wasn't, and how the military handled/is handling the situation. How do I know for a fact that Saddam needed to be taken out? I have a friend who was part of a unit in Iraq's military when they invaded Kuwait.

And Karl Marx knew what he was talking about.



Damn straight! Especially about Karl Marx. The only man to say "hey, maybe we should help out EVERYOBODY!" besides Jesus. Hmm, this suggests something. Is it possible that Marx was the second coming of Christ? Now, I'm just trolling here, waiting for a libertarian, atheist, or conservative to go for a bite.

39. Drug use

Drugs are one the major causes of America's internal problems. Contrary to what the pot-smoking teenager down the road will tell you.

But that's not the point. I've heard it said over and over and over that global warming is Bush's fault because he rejected Kyoto. Now, I'm no bush fan (a rabit lefty actually), but that argument is pure BS and I'm consistently suprised that people believe it.

The simple truth is that Kyoto, even if passed, would have had only a minor impact on U.S. greenhouse gas emissions, because the only real greenhouse gas generators that would have fallen under the federal purvue are automobiles (they are manufactured and sold across state lines, and so fall under federal jurisdiction). The governmental architecture in the U.S. was deliberately designed to avoid giving one group or portion of government too much power, and the result is that NO portion of government outside of the local governments has the ability to arbitrarily change the way Americans live.

Besides, anyone who has read Kyoto knows that it was little more than a wealth transfer scheme anyway. By granting nations the ability to sell their pollution "credits", the only thing Kyoto would have accomplished is a transfer of cash from the polluting nations to the non-polluters, as the polluters bought up the non-polluters credits. The non-industrial and island nations would have made a financial killing, but overall world pollution levels wouldn't have seen any major impact. Even the Kyoto authors admitted as much.



That is true, very true. The problem though with Global Warming is that it will happen anyway. The CO2 keeps accumulating, and no matter how much we try to slow down, it is still going to happen. Eventually, the Global Warming will end in a Global disaster. The only thing we can hope for is some virus springing up and destroying the vast majority of mankind. The survivors will be our legacy to the world, and maybe they will talk about industrialization in legends or myths, as stories to terrify their children.


To save humanity is to doom the world, and vice versa.

The great thing about living in another country is that you don't have to live with us "dirty americans". :headbang:
Amen to that. :)

39. Drug use

Drugs are one the major causes of America's internal problems. Contrary to what the pot-smoking teenager down the road will tell you.


Interesting. Then, tell me, why is the Netherlands such a fiscally successful country? They have massive amounts of drug use. And it has been shown that the illegalisation of drugs causes more crime problems than when it is legalized.

In the states that have allowed the use of Marijuana (Alaska, Michigan, Hawaii) the amount of drug-related, violent, and non-violent crimes has dropped rapidly. Because there is no need for a crime market anymore, there is no more crime!

Look at what the experts on this will tell you. Legalization, wherever it has been tried has been beneficial.

Fuck all of you... obviously you people have no fucking life if you get on the internet and bash America... Wouldnt live any where else.

Any more like that from you and you're gone. Do I make myself clear? This is an official warning.


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I am an America and I love America. But this doesn't mean that I am a Nationalistic person who believes that everyone else sucks.

Good things about America:

Democracy: Although it seems that America is getting less and less Democratic, I feel that the people still get their say, most of the times.

The Freedoms: We have a large amount of freedoms that others don't have.

Military: We do have a large military keeping us safe from invasions but this does not mean that we are invincible. I believe that we can take on many nation one-on-one but that would be stupid and that nations allies would intervene.

Bad Things:

Patriot act: Disgusting.

Uber Nationalists: I hate them.

Economy: We have an average one but the problem is, if you raises taxes on the rich then when the poor become richer then they fall back into being poor.

I am neither Rep. or Dem. Also I don't necesarrily(sp.) believe that what you say is correct but I still believe that you should say it without me critisizing(sp.) your views.

NOTE: is that how you think an American should act because then I have people that agree that just because I am Amer. I am not idiotic and power-hungery.

You aren't patriotic. Your kind is a plague to this world. It's people like you who become terrorists. It's people like you who commit hate crimes. It's people like you that need to be eliminated.

Just because a country can take over doesn't mean that country and it's ideologies is cool. Hitler took over a good portion for awhile, but his belief in intolerance is not something to be desired.

I'm a United States citizen. I wish the 9/11 attacks hit the White House. If it was just military targets, I'd have no issue. The fact that civilains were targeted, that seems wrong. Some claim that 9/11 is just like Pearl Harbor. This fact is true if you think about it. Both times the US of A was attacked as it was viewed as lacking honor. Both times the government had knowledge it was going to happen. While they may not have known the targets and date Osama was going to use, they still did nothing to prevent it. Likewise, the government knew that the Japanese were going to attack. They did nothing to prevent this from happening. They did however move their better ships out of the area prior to the attack. Don't believe me? Then do some research you ignorant twit. You probably buy the "magic bullet" theory about Kennedy too.

George W Bush not only stole the election but is screwing up this country and the world. I think Dubya and associates should be put on trial for their crimes. Gore is our true President. Bush is a dictator who seized control.

As for Saddam, he needed to be taken out. This is a fact. I do not supoort though the lies about the "weapons of mass destruction", how they claim Saddam was involved with 9/11 when he wasn't, and how the military handled/is handling the situation. How do I know for a fact that Saddam needed to be taken out? I have a friend who was part of a unit in Iraq's military when they invaded Kuwait.

And Karl Marx knew what he was talking about.

^Well Said

... there are far too many people who lack the intelligence to realize that a John Kerry Presidency would be a total disaster for the Nation.

38. So much sexual repression.

What do you expect from a nation founded by puritans fleeing what they saw as the evil exhibitionism etc. of Europe...

korea, vietnam...........
we tied korea and we pulled out of vietnam. we won all the battles in vietnam but we had a descent amount of casualties and the american public hated having our boys out there dying just to get rid of communism as well. But If we did stay in there and didnt pussy out because of politics we would have most likely won.

39. Drug use

Drugs are one the major causes of America's internal problems. Contrary to what the pot-smoking teenager down the road will tell you.

that is more bs spewed by the government. Drug use would not be a problem nor a cause for crime if it was legalized and regulated by the government instead the government uses the "war on drugs" as a convenient excuse to waste more money on a never ending "war" when it suits them (and they need the votes) or we have the CIA selling the crap to fund clandestine support for some faction in some other country. Quite honestly the war on drugs is hypocrisy at it's finest rather than fighting the drug trade through more law enforcement we should be spending more money aiding countries where drug trafficking is one of the few lucrative means of earning an income. Instead we let those countries thrive on the drug trade much as we are allowing Afghanistan to do now. The taliban sucked but they at least outlawed the production of poppies used to make opium and heroin.

That is true, very true. The problem though with Global Warming is that it will happen anyway. The CO2 keeps accumulating, and no matter how much we try to slow down, it is still going to happen. Eventually, the Global Warming will end in a Global disaster. The only thing we can hope for is some virus springing up and destroying the vast majority of mankind. The survivors will be our legacy to the world, and maybe they will talk about industrialization in legends or myths, as stories to terrify their children.


To save humanity is to doom the world, and vice versa.

lets hope so,

*injects himself with immunization and prepares "Cure 103.21 Build 6*

... there are far too many people who lack the intelligence to realize that a John Kerry Presidency would be a total disaster for the Nation.

as opposed to 4 more years of bush? If he is re-elected I have a feeling the world and America as we know it will be in a world of trouble. The continuation of the rule by the far right with bush as the puppet will see this country digress rather than progress. In fact bush is nothing of what he claims to be and people need to realize that. The last time someone claimed to be put in power by God was the middle ages is that the type of system we want to return to where leaders believe that, the will of the people be damned, they rule by divine right? That is hardly a time I or the majority of the people would want. I'll take Kerry's ability to see all sides of an issue over the jack boot wearing lock step march into oblivion that will come with any more rule by the neo-CON's.

Wanna know what I think is funny?

How every single thread invariably descends into Bush v. Kerry hell.

How do you guys always seem to do that?

For example:

Person #1: I like strawberry jam over blueberry jam.

Person #2: Well, obviously, blueberry jam is BETTER

Person #1: Oh yeah, well you won't HAVE any jam at all if Bush is reelected!

Person #1: Well, at least Bush won't give it away for free, like Kerry!

;)

Untrue.

... there are far too many people who lack the intelligence to realize that a John Kerry Presidency would be a total disaster for the Nation.

You are absolutely right. We need a deserter, a liar, a thief, a moron, and a puppet at the helm of the United States. We need a President who is so religious that Jesus himself tells him to invade other countries. We need a President that believes more in the Bible than the Constitution. We need a President who is willing to give tax benefits to his friends at the expense of the nation. We need a President that will give us a lie as pretext to go to war against a country that had nothing to do with the terrorist attacks on September 11th. We need a President that supports a mandatory draft for men and women from 18 to 26 years of age. We need a President that is a homophobe. Not only that, but we need ignorant Americans like you that support Bush. Way to go Etrusciana, the United States of America is counting on you!

If Kerry was to win the Presidency, the world may actually grow to respect the United States of America. Well, at least a bit more than it does now. As Etrusciana put it, such a thing would be a disaster. Please remember that fact America on Election Day. We are counting on you as well!

Wanna know what I think is funny?

How every single thread invariably descends into Bush v. Kerry hell.

How do you guys always seem to do that?

For example:

Person #1: I like strawberry jam over blueberry jam.

Person #2: Well, obviously, blueberry jam is BETTER

Person #1: Oh yeah, well you won't HAVE any jam at all if Bush is reelected!

Person #1: Well, at least Bush won't give it away for free, like Kerry!

;)

World events and the issues being discussed here are directly related to this presidential campaign being the last super power the world has a stake in the future presidency of our country.

It is also precisely because of our nation and its misguided actions and bellicose rhetoric that we find ourselves even having these constant one-ups-manship debates. Granted we have had them before but never before have they been so apparent especially in this ages of the internet. I am sure there was plenty of it during both world wars however it was not as visible as it is now.

As an American about to leave for Iraq soon and possibly give my life for my country I am appalled by this topic. Anyone who has not had to face the possibilitie of being involved in a war or has been involved in a war has no idea what it is like. Therefore one must not jump to an opinion on war. I am not thrilled to be going but I will do what I can to keep my wife safe.

Vietnam was a complete and total military victory for the Unites States.
There were 1.1 million Vietcong/NVA casualties. (This is not including civilian deaths) There were over 50,000 U.S. Casualties.

Inflicting more casualties does not constitute military victory, and certainly not TOTAL victory. We went into Vietnam with the goal of keeping South Vietnam free from Communist control. We failed. By any reasonable standards the Vietnam War was a defeat, and a humiliating one at that. Your logic that we won simply because we inflicted more casualties is pure crap. If we follow that reasoning, the Confederates won the civil war.

we tied korea and we pulled out of vietnam. we won all the battles in vietnam but we had a descent amount of casualties and the american public hated having our boys out there dying just to get rid of communism as well. But If we did stay in there and didnt pussy out because of politics we would have most likely won.


If you think we won all the battles in Vietnam well you are wrong. Most of the Large Battles we won in the end.

A lot of the small battles we lost around platoon level. Because the NVA would hit these poor guys with overwhelming firepower.

I love these threads seeing people bash it out on computer screens never seeing on anothers faces...take guts to do that or quite possible just being 12 years old just finishing an episode of power rangers.

World events and the issues being discussed here are directly related to this presidential campaign being the last super power the world has a stake in the future presidency of our country.

It is also precisely because of our nation and its misguided actions and bellicose rhetoric that we find ourselves even having these constant one-ups-manship debates. Granted we have had them before but never before have they been so apparent especially in this ages of the internet. I am sure there was plenty of it during both world wars however it was not as visible as it is now.

While I agree with your premise that the world is, indeed, watching very closely the election between Bush and Kerry, I feel that still we need a bit of levity here. Moderation, if you will. ALL people seem to talk about is Bush v. Kerry, and just once I'd like to see an issue debated to its end. It's NATURAL end. Not it's Bush/Kerry conclusion.

If we follow that reasoning, the Confederates won the civil war.

Some in the South believe the Confederates won the "War of Northern Aggression".

As an American about to leave for Iraq soon and possibly give my life for my country I am appalled by this topic. Anyone who has not had to face the possibilitie of being involved in a war or has been involved in a war has no idea what it is like. Therefore one must not jump to an opinion on war. I am not thrilled to be going but I will do what I can to keep my wife safe.

Going to afghanistan and hunting bin laden will keep you and yours safe or at least further that objective. Going to Iraq wearing a big target will not. Iraq, despite what bush says, is not about the war on terror and never was. The only rationale for that would be the idea that sending you and other soldiers (I was once one myself) off to die in a foreign land and be a target so that they won't hit us here at home. Even that rationale is shakey because they will still hit us here and you going to fight in Iraq is not going to solve that.

While I agree with your premise that the world is, indeed, watching very closely the election between Bush and Kerry, I feel that still we need a bit of levity here. Moderation, if you will. ALL people seem to talk about is Bush v. Kerry, and just once I'd like to see an issue debated to its end. It's NATURAL end. Not it's Bush/Kerry conclusion.

I agree 1000% and under normal circumstances and in normal times that would be possible, sadly these are FAR from normal circumstances and normal times.

all i have to say is if kerry wins i'm not re-enlisting

Inflicting more casualties does not constitute military victory, and certainly not TOTAL victory. We went into Vietnam with the goal of keeping South Vietnam free from Communist control. We failed. By any reasonable standards the Vietnam War was a defeat, and a humiliating one at that. Your logic that we won simply because we inflicted more casualties is pure crap. If we follow that reasoning, the Confederates won the civil war.

We lost in Vietnam for the following reasons:

We were propping up a south vietnamese government that was not popular among even the south vietnamese.

We fought to hold a line and those wars are either lost (vietnam) or end in a stale mate (north korea).

Our troops were guided by a civilian administration lacking the will or ability to fight and win a real war. All actions by our troops including bombing rades were only approved by the white house and higher ups not generals on the ground.

Due to the above vietnam became more unpopular in the U.S. as the American public became weary of a war which was not ending and not producing results. Instead more and more people were being sent over to fight and die and we were war weary after both WWII and Korea. Ho Chi Minh himself stated that he was about ready to give up had it not been for the public pressure to end the war, in his own words we were winning militarily but we lost in the public sense.

all i have to say is if kerry wins i'm not re-enlisting

that's your choice, but serving in the military is not about who your commander in chief is it's about serving your country. After all CO's of all rank can be lying thieving cheats.

The reason so many people hate America is because of our wealth and power. Especially socialist europeans, since their economies have been stagnating and their professionals are all leaving. I can't recall how many doctors I have been to who are from Europe or Canada and left because they can make money here. Hmm. Maybe that's why in Canada they put you on a three-year waiting list for a disease that will kill you in six months (it happened to my mother who is from Canada. She would never go back to live there.) Even though the Euro is slightly worth more and our economy is in recovery, it will not last, because their economies are so tightly controlled. They are jealous of America's many achievements (when was the last time Europe put a man on the moon?) Their pride is hurt by the fact that we bailed them out or (in the case of Germans) beat them in two world wars. They do not want to get rid of these vast welfare states, which would be the only road to America's kinds of achievements, they just want to pull us down by pressuring us to adopt socialism or the Kyoto treaty or a hundred other things. So piss off Euro-trash! You would be speaking german if it weren't for us. And if you already do speak german, then think of this: we could have just sat at the German border and let Stalin do his worst on the whole country, not just the east. I heard the Russian soldiers really liked those german women!

Going to afghanistan and hunting bin laden will keep you and yours safe or at least further that objective. Going to Iraq wearing a big target will not. Iraq, despite what bush says, is not about the war on terror and never was. The only rationale for that would be the idea that sending you and other soldiers (I was once one myself) off to die in a foreign land and be a target so that they won't hit us here at home. Even that rationale is shakey because they will still hit us here and you going to fight in Iraq is not going to solve that.

Great advice, Dreggas. That's exactly what a soldier leaving his family for war needs to hear. Good job. I'm sure he wasn't demoralized enough, yet...so thanks for pushing it further.

And how can a country represent democracy and free choice when a president gets elected when less that half the population votes for him purely because he won in the rich states?


He lost the rich states, or at least the RICHEST state, California. This is precisely one of the reasons the electoral college is here, so that no one state can have too much say. Regardless of whether he won the popular vote it IS our system, very clearly defined in our constitution.

Great advice, Dreggas. That's exactly what a soldier leaving his family for war needs to hear. Good job. I'm sure he wasn't demoralized enough, yet...so thanks for pushing it further.

I apologize for that, I just get caught up in the heat of crap and can't stand hearing the crap anymore about Iraq being the frontlines in the war on terrorism, I do apologise for that comment.

You would be speaking german if it weren't for us. And if you already do speak german, then think of this: we could have just sat at the German border and let Stalin do his worst on the whole country, not just the east. I heard the Russian soldiers really liked those german women!

Get a brain and try to learn something about history :rolleyes: , these US hoax opinions are really something of the past on your uncle's toilet paper in his shithouse on the farm (yep , the one that sexually abused you as a child and made that you wanted to escape to the free world, EUROPE :upyours: )

Inflicting more casualties does not constitute military victory, and certainly not TOTAL victory. We went into Vietnam with the goal of keeping South Vietnam free from Communist control. We failed. By any reasonable standards the Vietnam War was a defeat, and a humiliating one at that. Your logic that we won simply because we inflicted more casualties is pure crap. If we follow that reasoning, the Confederates won the civil war.

Obviously you do not understand the meaning of "military victory"

Rabervania,

I apologise for the hot headedness of the comment I posted in response to you going to Iraq soon, it was out of line and I will own it. There is no excuse for what I posted and I am man enough to admit that. I also know you are doing your job and wish you god-speed and a safe return to your family. Please understand that I do respect that you are serving and respect the sacrifices you and others make and have made for our country.

Humbled and embarrassed,
Dreggas

Get a brain and try to learn something about history :rolleyes: , these US hoax opinions are really something of the past on your uncle's toilet paper in his shithouse on the farm (yep , the one that sexually abused you as a child and made that you wanted to escape to the free world, EUROPE :upyours: )

more wonderful and highly cultured critiques I see...and just how is it that europe is better than America again? The culture? What?

The reason so many people hate America is because of our wealth and power. Especially socialist europeans, since their economies have been stagnating and their professionals are all leaving. I can't recall how many doctors I have been to who are from Europe or Canada and left because they can make money here. Hmm. Maybe that's why in Canada they put you on a three-year waiting list for a disease that will kill you in six months (it happened to my mother who is from Canada. She would never go back to live there.) Even though the Euro is slightly worth more and our economy is in recovery, it will not last, because their economies are so tightly controlled. They are jealous of America's many achievements (when was the last time Europe put a man on the moon?) Their pride is hurt by the fact that we bailed them out or (in the case of Germans) beat them in two world wars. They do not want to get rid of these vast welfare states, which would be the only road to America's kinds of achievements, they just want to pull us down by pressuring us to adopt socialism or the Kyoto treaty or a hundred other things. So piss off Euro-trash! You would be speaking german if it weren't for us. And if you already do speak german, then think of this: we could have just sat at the German border and let Stalin do his worst on the whole country, not just the east. I heard the Russian soldiers really liked those german women!

One should not boast of their actions but let others do it for them. To be boastful and overly prideful is to set oneself up for disaster. Europe has never fogotten how America helped in both World Wars however it was not just America shouldering that burden.

For your informatoin, dureing the War of 1812, we DID try to take over Canada. We have never lost a war, NEVER.
korea, vietnam...........

I won't disagree about the US losing the war in Vietnam, but last time I checked the Korean War was and still is considered a "UN Police Action". The US was in Korea as part of the UN. So if anyone "lost" it was collectivelly the UN. Besides last I checked, the Korean War never officially ended. Korea was never reunited, and North and South Korea still have a military zone around the 50th parallel. Seeing as it never ended, we can't even say the UN lost.

Just my two cents.....

38. So much sexual repression.

Apparently you never heard of William Jefferson Clinton. Old Bill certainly didn't feel like repressing his urges when he was supposed to be leading the US. I guess he just couldn't make it the last few feet to his desk. ;)

Seriously though, I have to agree there is a lot wrong with my country. I'm not the first american to admit this, and I doubt I'll be the last. However, as other have pointed out, EVERY nation has its problems. EVERY nation has its good and bad aspects. EVERY nation is like this because EVERY nation is governed by humans, and EVERY human has his/her good and bad aspects.

You are absolutely right. We need a deserter, a liar, a thief, a moron, and a puppet at the helm of the United States. We need a President who is so religious that Jesus himself tells him to invade other countries. We need a President that believes more in the Bible than the Constitution. We need a President who is willing to give tax benefits to his friends at the expense of the nation. We need a President that will give us a lie as pretext to go to war against a country that had nothing to do with the terrorist attacks on September 11th. We need a President that supports a mandatory draft for men and women from 18 to 26 years of age. We need a President that is a homophobe. Not only that, but we need ignorant Americans like you that support Bush. Way to go Etrusciana, the United States of America is counting on you!

If Kerry was to win the Presidency, the world may actually grow to respect the United States of America. Well, at least a bit more than it does now. As Etrusciana put it, such a thing would be a disaster. Please remember that fact America on Election Day. We are counting on you as well!

Do you have sources, or indeed reasons at all for all of your accusations? Bush is certainly not the best president the US will ever have, but he is not a bad man, not a puppet, not an imbecile or a homophobe. Unfounded accusations such as these are part of the reason Bush has no respect in the world; it creates an atmosphere which encourages Bush bashing. Take an honest look at Bush. He certainly has faults, he has certainly made mistakes, and i dont think hes improved our country noticably, but he isnt the antichrist either (although i have heard him called that many times, no joke). The world does respect America, the title of this thread notwithstanding. The bottom line with America is this: some Americans may be fat or uneducated or bigoted. They may be hideously ignorant. That is what America is all about. Every American may not be forced to recieve a world class education, but every American has the opportunity to learn anything they want. America may not have the best health care system in the world, which takes care of every citizen or permanent resident, but no American is denied care in a time of need, and Americas doctors and surgeons are the best in the world. Americans have the opportunity to be obese, but Americans have the infrastructure and disposable income to be healthy and live long lives as well. We live by the sword and die by the sword and with opportunity comes the opportunity to fail. Our environmental policies are abyssymal, but the research to solve the most pressing concerns ofthe day is largely being done here in the US. (dont get me started, we are stubborn bastards, and the advancement of ethanol as a fuel is severely retarded by alcohol production regulations :headbang:)

I dont know if anyone will take the time to read this rant, or respond, or understand the gibberish ive come up with. Take an honest look at the US though, and Bush, if you do read this. Ask yourself why we are so bad? Have we hurt you personally or your nation as a whole? Or are you doing what you hate us so much for, imposing your point of view on us.

well at least we can count on the rest of the world to come to your aide, help you out of a tight jam and give you billions of dollars..... yeah thats what the rest of the world does :rolleyes:

This insults me to my CORE. I personaly dont give a damn of what you forieners think, but this is an Insult to my pride for my country, wich could very easly kick Britton's Ass, Canada's ass, we could utterly destroy any country on earth. We can take the entire damn world on and have a chance of winning.
There's nothing insulting on the list. Just facts why America is NOT cool

These statements have equal merit, a persuasive case could be made for either one. Definently a lot of reasons why America is NOT cool, but on the other hand, US vs WORLD SUNDAY SUNDAY SUNDAY would be a hell of a fight: on one hand , the US has clear air superiority, but the naval battles would be epic... and if the Chinese army ever set foot on US soil, wed be done for... on the other hand... there are enough guns in the US to outfit every able bodied citizen and then some... (yes we have troubles in Iraq... but remember... before we invaded, the Iraqi army was considered what... #10 worldwide? and IMO we were trying to be nice and overly sensitive, no civillian casualties, etc... in a no holds barred (save nukes) match things could be totally different)

ANYWAYS definently tasteless on my part but i thought i had to play devils advocate here, you guys ripped that poor kid a new one.

Do you have sources, or indeed reasons at all for all of your accusations? Bush is certainly not the best president the US will ever have, but he is not a bad man, not a puppet, not an imbecile or a homophobe. Unfounded accusations such as these are part of the reason Bush has no respect in the world; it creates an atmosphere which encourages Bush bashing. Take an honest look at Bush. He certainly has faults, he has certainly made mistakes, and i dont think hes improved our country noticably, but he isnt the antichrist either (although i have heard him called that many times, no joke). The world does respect America, the title of this thread notwithstanding. The bottom line with America is this: some Americans may be fat or uneducated or bigoted. They may be hideously ignorant. That is what America is all about. Every American may not be forced to recieve a world class education, but every American has the opportunity to learn anything they want. America may not have the best health care system in the world, which takes care of every citizen or permanent resident, but no American is denied care in a time of need, and Americas doctors and surgeons are the best in the world. Americans have the opportunity to be obese, but Americans have the infrastructure and disposable income to be healthy and live long lives as well. We live by the sword and die by the sword and with opportunity comes the opportunity to fail. Our environmental policies are abyssymal, but the research to solve the most pressing concerns ofthe day is largely being done here in the US. (dont get me started, we are stubborn bastards, and the advancement of ethanol as a fuel is severely retarded by alcohol production regulations :headbang:)

I dont know if anyone will take the time to read this rant, or respond, or understand the gibberish ive come up with. Take an honest look at the US though, and Bush, if you do read this. Ask yourself why we are so bad? Have we hurt you personally or your nation as a whole? Or are you doing what you hate us so much for, imposing your point of view on us.

Bush is not the bogey man in fact I do not fear him personally but rather the people behind him and yes there are people that this man has allowed to influence him and his decisions who have no business doing so.

Bush touts no child left behind while underfunding it as shown in his own budget which will cut funding for the program by several billion which was needed to make it effective.

He touts his medicare plan which does not in any way shape or form fix medicare nor does it provide any real viable options when it comes to prescription drugs, it does however benefit the drug companies.

He proposes a so-called ownership society where I would have the ability to invest some of my Social Security in the stock market, in most cases I'd be better off taking that cash to vegas. One good hard crash and my supposed security is flushed right down the toilet.

He took us to war on lies. Granted I supported the removal of Saddam due to the fact that his regime was as bad as any other dictatorship with regards to the torture of his own people, however that was not the reason given and when the reason given proved false he did not have the intestinal fortitude to say "I was wrong" instead we are "staying the course" which is needed but he would not be a man and own his mistakes. We need to fix Iraq, we own it now and can't pull out however history will recall the fact that this was more a war of opportunity rather than real necessity.

The list goes on, I could have supported bush and did support him after 9/11 however my confidence in him is shot, he does not represent me nor does he represent most of my beliefs both public and personal and is not the man I want leading my country.

Tell me Mr. Basil Fawlty, how are they "hoax opinions"? Did the mighty British Empire (lol) suddenly become very strong and liberate europe? Did the French put their arms down and actually fight? Did Vichy suddenly realise that Germany was evil and turn on the Nazis? No. America spent a great deal of money giving weapons to everyone against the Nazis, including the Soviet Union, America sent its sons to die at Normandy, America liberated most of the death camps. The Europeans were content to let the Jews all die, even the British, and they all said they did not know it was going on (???!!!). A penpal I made through the Zionist group at my synagogue says that her own synagogue in Paris had been vandalised 27 times in one month. There's another reason to like America. The only significant anti-semitism here comes from left-wing university professors who think America should be like the welfare states of Europe. I think it proves that Europe would be more than happy to kill us Jews off, and that even Britain and most of Russia would have gladly accepted rule by the Nazis like the French did just to get rid of us. That is why they hate Israel so much, and another reason to hate America, a nation that completely accepts Jews and is friendly to Israel. Could your own dislike of America be a disguised anti-semitism?

Dagnia, I think that your post is to stupid to get a reply from him.
It is full of unhistorical shit and bias.

Tell me Mr. Basil Fawlty, how are they "hoax opinions"? Did the mighty British Empire (lol) suddenly become very strong and liberate europe? Did the French put their arms down and actually fight? Did Vichy suddenly realise that Germany was evil and turn on the Nazis? No. America spent a great deal of money giving weapons to everyone against the Nazis, including the Soviet Union, America sent its sons to die at Normandy, America liberated most of the death camps. The Europeans were content to let the Jews all die, even the British, and they all said they did not know it was going on (???!!!). A penpal I made through the Zionist group at my synagogue says that her own synagogue in Paris had been vandalised 27 times in one month. There's another reason to like America. The only significant anti-semitism here comes from left-wing university professors who think America should be like the welfare states of Europe. I think it proves that Europe would be more than happy to kill us Jews off, and that even Britain and most of Russia would have gladly accepted rule by the Nazis like the French did just to get rid of us. That is why they hate Israel so much, and another reason to hate America, a nation that completely accepts Jews and is friendly to Israel. Could your own dislike of America be a disguised anti-semitism?

If and when "Israel" becomes recognized as being a "state" and the jews a "people" i think a lot of that will be fixed. However that in and of itself is the issue. If you believe Israel's policies towards the palestinians are wrong you are quickly branded an anti-semite. The Europeans see the side of the palestinians more than the U.S. does and believe the tactics used by Israel as a state to be wrong in every way shape and form, this has sadly spilled over into some Europeans falling back to the hitler days of believing jews are evil but it goes further back than that.

Sadly there will be no resolution to that situation until such time as Israel begins to think in terms of State and not ethnicity or race. There can be a political solution but until Israel becomes a "state" and not just a "people" there will be problems.

I apologize if that came off sounding in any way shape or form as being anti-semitic because that was not the intent.

Did the mighty British Empire (lol) suddenly become very strong and liberate europe?

First of all, considering the British heldout as long as they did with minimal help, I would not go around insulting their role in WWII. Second, why is WWII discussed so damn much in this forum? All it seems to bring up is "my nation's better than your nation at making war and killing people". If I'm not mistaken, talk of WWII is avoided in conversation in Japan because of the hard feelings it always manages to bring up. Smart people if you ask me.

First of all, considering the British heldout as long as they did with minimal help, I would not go around insulting their role in WWII. Second, why is WWII discussed so damn much in this forum? All it seems to bring up is "my nation's better than your nation at making war and killing people". If I'm not mistaken, talk of WWII is avoided in conversation in Japan because of the hard feelings it always manages to bring up. So the Japanese avoid talking about it. Smart people if you ask me.

You're completely right, but it is nice when people are informed . But you'll allways see ignorant people like Dagnia on any board. They know shit about history and there only purpose is propaganda. But that is nation States...
On WWII fora those guys are ignored or banned.

You're completely right, but it is nice when people are informed . But you'll allways see ignorant people like Dagnia on any board. They know shit about history and there only purpose is propaganda. But that is nation States...
On WWII fora those guys are ignored or banned.

I'm not at all surprised by that. Some people posting on here seem to be under the impression that WWII was fought only in Europe. People like that seem completely ignorant about the fronts in Africa and the Pacific. That or they have really bad tunnel vision when they're reading history books. :rolleyes: