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No one on the Allied side was pure. The Soviets had obvious reasons, and Roosevelt was trying to use the victory to extend his statist policies. However, neither of them wanted to commit mass murder on the scale the Germans and the Japanese wanted to. If that isn't evil, what is?
You're too entrenched in your political views, I think it is pointless telling you how history happened. Just remember always that Nazi Germany was a dictatorship where any dissent resulted in death. Hitler was the culprit, not the German people as a whole. Thus your cries for cleansing the world of the Germans and the Japanese are insane at best.

What do I care? The Graf Spee was a tool of the murderers, showing up in what were supposed to be neutral waters. That is not normal by any measure.

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=46452&highlight=graf+spee
(still no river, see, New Anthrus)

As a member of that site and WWII addict,I do care that you and Anthrus change historical facts for your political views.

You're too entrenched in your political views, I think it is pointless telling you how history happened. Just remember always that Nazi Germany was a dictatorship where any dissent resulted in death. Hitler was the culprit, not the German people as a whole. Thus your cries for cleansing the world of the Germans and the Japanese are insane at best.
Not the Germans and Japanese alive today. We have succeeded in killing the monster in each of them. Just the Germans and Japanese of the fascist era.

Not the Germans and Japanese alive today. We have succeeded in killing the monster in each of them. Just the Germans and Japanese of the fascist era.
And where is the difference in that you idiot?

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=46452&highlight=graf+spee
(still no river, see, New Anthrus)

As a member of that site and WWII addict,I do care that you and Anthrus change historical facts for your political views.
I am New Anthrus. And I don't try to change them for my political views. I have no motive to change them for today. I just want the world to know the absolute evil that once existed.

I beg to differ on Germany. They were traditionally war-like, but in the thirties, it was brought to a height so popular, and so twisted, that I'm convinced that Hitler posoined the majority of German minds with his sick vision of universal supremacy. The worst part, however, was that it was incurable for most Germans.
Firstly, I dispute your claim that Germans are traditionally war like. Sure, the most prominent German state was Prussia which through its power was able to influence the entire German nation with a uniquely Prussian militarism. But Germany has a strong philosophical and scientific tradition of national introspection in which tough questions about nationalism, the State, and the individual were answered as early as in the 1700s. Christianity and Social Democracy taught compassion to Germans. Thats why ordinary Germans had a sound moral foundation. Whereas Japan has never to this day had serious national introspection. To them, during WWII especially, the Emperor and the State were divine and nothing done in the name of Japan could be wrong or criminal. The murder of millions of Chinese was celebrated throughout Japan.

When a testing time came like the Great Depression, the Germans were tempted by Nazism. Sure, a lot of hardcore psychos like SS were active in Germany but most people lost enthusiasm about Nazism as the regime and war progressed. Whereas the Japanese got into militarism but stuck to it... they didn't know any other lifestyle besides total obedience to the government and emperor. During the Japanese occupation of China the Japanese engaged in such brutal and sadistic genocide that even the Nazi representative to Japan, John Rabe, was horrified and offered thousands of Chinese victims shelter in the Nazi embassy compound. It is ironic that in Nanjing, China, the Nazi flag was a symbol of safety and compassion but given the historical differences of Germany and Japan, it is completely logical that the Germans had much more sense than the Japanese.

showing up in what were supposed to be neutral waters. That is not normal by any measure.

Again you give proof that you have not understand or read the facts. In my first post, I explained very well that this can be done following the international laws. Or where do you think ships refuel and take cargo or make repairs if they can not take it in neutral harbors, the Brits and Germans sometimes met in such neutral harbours like for example Vigo (Spain). Such harbours were spynests.

And where is the difference in that you idiot?
The difference is that the modern Germans and Japanese are relatively peaceful and liberal. So peaceful, in fact, that their populations border on passifism. We have all succeeded in eliminating this monster, but once, it hijacked two great nations, and used them for extreme evil.

I am New Anthrus.

Better not say that to the MODS, your puppet has lots of posts.

And I don't try to change them for my political views. I have no motive to change them for today. I just want the world to know the absolute evil that once existed.

OK, understood, but it was not nice to see how you talked about things that were not true. Guess that nobody here defends the Nazis but only tries to look for the truth.

The difference is that the modern Germans and Japanese are relatively peaceful and liberal. So peaceful, in fact, that their populations border on passifism. We have all succeeded in eliminating this monster, but once, it hijacked two great nations, and used them for extreme evil.
As usual you twist your own words. You wished they had wiped out all Germans and Japanese from the the '30's, '40's, which would mean there wouldn't have been another generation. But you don't want those living today dead. Who wouldn't have been around if a genocidal maniac like you had anything to say about it back then.

Firstly, I dispute your claim that Germans are traditionally war like. Sure, the most prominent German state was Prussia which through its power was able to influence the entire German nation with a uniquely Prussian militarism. But Germany has a strong philosophical and scientific tradition of national introspection in which tough questions about nationalism, the State, and the individual were answered as early as in the 1700s. Christianity and Social Democracy taught compassion to Germans. Thats why ordinary Germans had a sound moral foundation. Whereas Japan has never to this day had serious national introspection. To them, during WWII especially, the Emperor and the State were divine and nothing done in the name of Japan could be wrong or criminal. The murder of millions of Chinese was celebrated throughout Japan.

When a testing time came like the Great Depression, the Germans were tempted by Nazism. Sure, a lot of hardcore psychos like SS were active in Germany but most people lost enthusiasm about Nazism as the regime and war progressed. Whereas the Japanese got into militarism but stuck to it... they didn't know any other lifestyle besides total obedience to the government and emperor. During the Japanese occupation of China the Japanese engaged in such brutal and sadistic genocide that even the Nazi representative to Japan, John Rabe, was horrified and offered thousands of Chinese victims shelter in the Nazi embassy compound. It is ironic that in Nanjing, China, the Nazi flag was a symbol of safety and compassion but given the historical differences of Germany and Japan, it is completely logical that the Germans had much more sense than the Japanese.
It is ironic. He must have been able to escape the brainwashing of back home, and retained some humanity. Anyhow, the Germans were warlike. Perhaps not as wontonly warlike as the Japanese, but they seemed to almost enjoy it as a form of diplomacy. The Germans waged perpetual war against the Romans. The Germans started the Thirty Years' War, WWI, etc. And of course, who can ever forget the vast number of Hessians that were mercenaries. They actually were the main fighting force for the British in the American Revolution. Anyhow, whatever impulse they were restraining was one that not only was allowed to roam free, but grew under Hitler.

OK, understood, but it was not nice to see how you talked about things that were not true. Guess that nobody here defends the Nazis but only tries to look for the truth.
By my own admission, I will say that the twin evils being discussed about don't deserve to have the truth defend them. They had most of their populations supporting them, and fascism was a dangerous disease. However, instead of being defeated, it was spread to nations like Argentina.

As usual you twist your own words. You wished they had wiped out all Germans and Japanese from the the '30's, '40's, which would mean there wouldn't have been another generation. But you don't want those living today dead. Who wouldn't have been around if a genocidal maniac like you had anything to say about it back then.
Oh, but if you look at my earlier posts, I said that I wanted the murdering spirit scared out of the children. I'm sure that even if we tried, we couldn't kill the majority of Germans and Japanese.

The difference is that the modern Germans and Japanese are relatively peaceful and liberal. So peaceful, in fact, that their populations border on passifism. We have all succeeded in eliminating this monster, but once, it hijacked two great nations, and used them for extreme evil.
Germany is a peaceful place today but we have never succeeded in reforming Japan. Partly because the US became paranoid of communism after WWII and in order to speed up rebuilding Japan caved in to a lot of the Japanese' demands, such as pardoning the war criminal Hirohito and hundreds of other war criminals. This is a shortsighted mistake of the US that I am ashamed of. To this day the Japanese government and nation has not confronted their past. It is illegal to mention Japan's atrocities during WWII in Japanese textbooks. The ruling party of Japan is the closest thing in the world to a ruling neo-Nazi regime and the extreme right is alive and very well in Japan... many symbols of war including the militarist anthem have been resurrected in Japan... can you imagine singing Horst Wessel and flying the Nazi swastika in Germany today? Every year the Prime Minister goes to visit the shrine dedicated to Tojo Hideki which is the equivalent of Schroder re-enacting the Nuremburg Rally and praising Hitler. The Japanese far-right is a powerful political force in Parliament and has been responsible for the assassination of left-wing politicians, Socialists, and people who criticize the Emperor. The possibility that Japan will again become a xenophobic and jingoistic state is very real.

Better not say that to the MODS, your puppet has lots of posts.


There is nothing wrong with having puppets or posting under puppets

They had most of their populations supporting them
Once again wrong. Already debunked in earlier posts.

Germany is a peaceful place today but we have never succeeded in reforming Japan. Partly because the US became paranoid of communism after WWII and in order to speed up rebuilding Japan caved in to a lot of the Japanese' demands, such as pardoning the war criminal Hirohito and hundreds of other war criminals. This is a shortsighted mistake of the US that I am ashamed of. To this day the Japanese government and nation has not confronted their past. It is illegal to mention Japan's atrocities during WWII in Japanese textbooks. The ruling party of Japan is the closest thing in the world to a ruling neo-Nazi regime and the extreme right is alive and very well in Japan... many symbols of war including the militarist anthem have been resurrected in Japan... can you imagine singing Horst Wessel and flying the Nazi swastika in Germany today? Every year the Prime Minister goes to visit the shrine dedicated to Tojo Hideki which is the equivalent of Schroder re-enacting the Nuremburg Rally and praising Hitler. The Japanese far-right is a powerful political force in Parliament and has been responsible for the assassination of left-wing politicians, Socialists, and people who criticize the Emperor. The possibility that Japan will again become a xenophobic and jingoistic state is very real.
There is just one good thing, though: even though their people are still like this, they are very quiet on this, and refuse to let it interfere with their lives. If they didn't reform somewhat, Japan would be isolated completely, which hasn't happened. But Japan is 99% homogeonous, despite being surrounded by poorer nations. I feel that this will backfire with their aging population.

Once again wrong. Already debunked in earlier posts.
But I still believe it. You forget about the cult of Hirohito, a war criminal. Or about the Reichstag being dominated by Nazis when Hitler had the same role as, say, Ed Gillespi in the US: somewhat known and heading the party, but not too terribly powerful yet.

It is ironic. He must have been able to escape the brainwashing of back home, and retained some humanity. Anyhow, the Germans were warlike. Perhaps not as wontonly warlike as the Japanese, but they seemed to almost enjoy it as a form of diplomacy. The Germans waged perpetual war against the Romans. The Germans started the Thirty Years' War, WWI, etc. And of course, who can ever forget the vast number of Hessians that were mercenaries. They actually were the main fighting force for the British in the American Revolution. Anyhow, whatever impulse they were restraining was one that not only was allowed to roam free, but grew under Hitler.
That is ridiculous... every nation in the world can have countless wars and violence attributed to it. The Parthians also constantly attacked the Romans and then again, the Romans constantly attacked its neighbors. The only reason Germans are involved in many of the biggest wars is because of Germany's central and strategic location in Europe where they are often caught between superpowers like France, RUssia, Sweden, Turkey, and England who constantly bicker over the fate of weak and divided mitteleuropa. Hessians are well known but Italian and Swiss mercenaries were in practically everyone's army during the Middle Ages. Militarism and jingoism in WWI was the fault of everybody. Every nation has a potential for murder and rampage, and it was Germany and Japan's luck of the draw that their leaders were among the few in history which successfully channeled the potential into real palpable conquests, at least for a little while. Germany today has successfully minimized any urge for war but I think Japan is still questionable.

There is just one good thing, though: even though their people are still like this, they are very quiet on this, and refuse to let it interfere with their lives. If they didn't reform somewhat, Japan would be isolated completely, which hasn't happened. But Japan is 99% homogeonous, despite being surrounded by poorer nations. I feel that this will backfire with their aging population.
The only reason Japan is accepted by its neighbors is because Japan has all the money and investors, which its neighbors need. Culturally, the Japanese have not made meaningful reforms. I don't think you can comprehend the resentment that a lot of fellow Asians feel toward Japan's refusal to apologize for WWII or its glorification of war criminals. Just a few weeks ago South Korea celebrated its Liberation (from Japan) Day which was a virulently anti-Japanese spectacle. Japan needs to ask itself serious questions, and have fear for its future position in East Asia, if all of its neighbors define their patriotism in terms of anti-Japanism.

But I still believe it.

Like I showed with my posts, it is a belief, and beliefs aren't facts, like I posted.

I believe it was at the Yalta conference that Winston Churchill jokingly said that Germany should be turned into a potato field as punishment for the war. Of course, behind every joke is a little bit of the truth. Knowing how much the English and Irish love each other, Churchill was probably looking for a way to screw them over by destroying Irish agriculture. I personally like the Irish and would not want anything bad to happen to them, and since their economy is no longer potato-based, now would be the best time to do it. We should just raze the entire country, even buildings of great historical significance would go. After we are done, the Germans would only be allowed to grow potatoes and nothing else. If they do not like eating potato, then tough tanuki on them! They would live in houses made of whatever they could find near them and they would be denied electricity. There is still time, although it is running out. It has to be done before the last generation to have experienced the war dies off, or it would be pointless.
Much earlier in this thread, someone (Lotringen, if I remember correctly) seemed to think that the invasion of Poland was justified, because Poland refused to surrender Danzig. Danzig was neither Polish nor German, but rather a free port. In addition, Germany never used Danzig as an excuse to invade Poland. The SS fabricated an attack on a radio station in Gleiwitz (today known as Gliwice) to make it look like Poland was attacking Germany, similar to the way the Japanese murdered Koreans dressed in Japanese uniform and blamed it on Chinese attacking from Manchuria.
Much has been said about the expelled Germans forced to leave what is now Western Poland. Since Germany was the agressor, all Germans are fair game.
Although I was against the war in Iraq, I think there might be a much more sinister reason that the German government was against it. Without Saddam, there was one less person to give money to the suicide bombers killing innocent Israeli civilians. According to the B'nai B'rith, anti-semitism is at an all-time high in Europe since the end of the second world war, with France at the top and Germany at a close second (Poland is surprisingly low, considering it has a bad reputation with anti-semitism, but my grandparents lived there before WWII, and had no problems with the Polish people). Perhaps the Germans still want all the Jews to die, but they can't really do much from Germany, since most of us are in Israel, so they indirectly support the rag-heads who want to kill us.

I believe it was at the Yalta conference that Winston Churchill jokingly said that Germany should be turned into a potato field as punishment for the war. Of course, behind every joke is a little bit of the truth. Knowing how much the English and Irish love each other, Churchill was probably looking for a way to screw them over by destroying Irish agriculture. I personally like the Irish and would not want anything bad to happen to them, and since their economy is no longer potato-based, now would be the best time to do it. We should just raze the entire country, even buildings of great historical significance would go. After we are done, the Germans would only be allowed to grow potatoes and nothing else. If they do not like eating potato, then tough tanuki on them! They would live in houses made of whatever they could find near them and they would be denied electricity. There is still time, although it is running out. It has to be done before the last generation to have experienced the war dies off, or it would be pointless.
Much earlier in this thread, someone (Lotringen, if I remember correctly) seemed to think that the invasion of Poland was justified, because Poland refused to surrender Danzig. Danzig was neither Polish nor German, but rather a free port. In addition, Germany never used Danzig as an excuse to invade Poland. The SS fabricated an attack on a radio station in Gleiwitz (today known as Gliwice) to make it look like Poland was attacking Germany, similar to the way the Japanese murdered Koreans dressed in Japanese uniform and blamed it on Chinese attacking from Manchuria.
Much has been said about the expelled Germans forced to leave what is now Western Poland. Since Germany was the agressor, all Germans are fair game.
Although I was against the war in Iraq, I think there might be a much more sinister reason that the German government was against it. Without Saddam, there was one less person to give money to the suicide bombers killing innocent Israeli civilians. According to the B'nai B'rith, anti-semitism is at an all-time high in Europe since the end of the second world war, with France at the top and Germany at a close second (Poland is surprisingly low, considering it has a bad reputation with anti-semitism, but my grandparents lived there before WWII, and had no problems with the Polish people). Perhaps the Germans still want all the Jews to die, but they can't really do much from Germany, since most of us are in Israel, so they indirectly support the rag-heads who want to kill us.
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I'm speechless about so much nonsense.

I beleive the Bundeswehr should invade Poland for this insolence, and reannex Silesia, East, and West Prussia. The Polish army doesn't stand a chance!

Macht schnell für Polen! Wir mussen die Polnisch ausweisen!

I beg to differ on Germany. They were traditionally war-like, but in the thirties, it was brought to a height so popular, and so twisted, that I'm convinced that Hitler posoined the majority of German minds with his sick vision of universal supremacy. The worst part, however, was that it was incurable for most Germans.

Well, the Germans spend a lot of time smacking their own heads in AND defending themselves against a powerful and dangerous neigbour: France. I see it that way: With neighbours like France, the Russians OR the Romans (in ancient times) you DO have to turn war like or at least pretty good at the business of war.

Germans DO have a reputation for their battle prowess (among other things like working hard or speaking with a funny accent), but assuming they are all maniac war sychophats is a bit ... of a over reaction.

So, Germans would like to resurrect good old prussian soul? Some say that causing (and losing) two world wars would teach them how to be silent...

Perhaps the Germans still want all the Jews to die, but they can't really do much from Germany, since most of us are in Israel, so they indirectly support the rag-heads who want to kill us.

Oh please, that´s nonsense. You DO know that Germany is one of the most stern supporters of Israel? A few years ago there was a HUGHE and I mean HUGHE discussion in Germany as a lot of people who dared to (grasp!) criticize Israel for it´s policies were acused of anti-semitism? Speaking out against Issrael is a BIG tabu in Germany.

Suggesting that Germany is supporting "rag-heads" (which IIRC is a racial slur against Arabs - you might want consider to drop that term) to kill all jews is bull-shit. Didn´t Sharon call Germany one of Israel´s best friends a few months ago?

During the Japanese occupation of China the Japanese engaged in such brutal and sadistic genocide that even the Nazi representative to Japan, John Rabe, was horrified and offered thousands of Chinese victims shelter in the Nazi embassy compound. It is ironic that in Nanjing, China, the Nazi flag was a symbol of safety and compassion but given the historical differences of Germany and Japan, it is completely logical that the Germans had much more sense than the Japanese.

John Rabe aka "The Good Nazi" aka "The Living Buddha" (http://www.moreorless.au.com/heroes/rabe.html)

Oskar Schindler (which is probably more prominent thanks to Steven Spielberg) was also a stern Nazi.

Oh please, that´s nonsense. You DO know that Germany is one of the most stern supporters of Israel? A few years ago there was a HUGHE and I mean HUGHE discussion in Germany as a lot of people who dared to (grasp!) criticize Israel for it´s policies were acused of anti-semitism? Speaking out against Issrael is a BIG tabu in Germany.

Yeah. It was fucking ridiculouse.

So, Germans would like to resurrect good old prussian soul? Some say that causing (and losing) two world wars would teach them how to be silent...

Germany did not start World War 1, so shut it.

That is ridiculous... every nation in the world can have countless wars and violence attributed to it. The Parthians also constantly attacked the Romans and then again, the Romans constantly attacked its neighbors. The only reason Germans are involved in many of the biggest wars is because of Germany's central and strategic location in Europe where they are often caught between superpowers like France, RUssia, Sweden, Turkey, and England who constantly bicker over the fate of weak and divided mitteleuropa. Hessians are well known but Italian and Swiss mercenaries were in practically everyone's army during the Middle Ages. Militarism and jingoism in WWI was the fault of everybody. Every nation has a potential for murder and rampage, and it was Germany and Japan's luck of the draw that their leaders were among the few in history which successfully channeled the potential into real palpable conquests, at least for a little while. Germany today has successfully minimized any urge for war but I think Japan is still questionable.
Fine. We'll agree to disagree. But how is it that many of the best generals in war end up being German?
As for Japan, I do agree with you, there. They rely too much on their checkbook, and not enough on anything else. The Japanese need to focus on the other things to get real reconciliation.

poland make zubrowka. i like zubrowka

95% was sort of a guess, really. But I bet that at least 90% of the world's population is not German.
95% of the worlds population is not American, my friend.
But you are really missing the point of the national socialists ideology.
It was a racist ideology which directed different characterisitcs to different nationalities.
The Jews and Gypsis were seen as non-humans - as evil, monster, who wanted to take over the world. Aside of the fact - and that argument was used for the religious people - that they killed Jesus. The Jews were in that position in European history for centuries. Responsible for the plague, for revolution, famie, murder, e.g.. And the European history is full of genocides in that respect. And the jews were blamed for the defeat of Germany in World War I (step in the back legend). The Holocaust was the biggest one. It can be explained with the fact that a radical party ceized power and with the technical abilites which make it possible - aside of the fact that it happened in the shadow of World War II. Unlike many believe the events took place outside Germany - in Poland. How many Germans did really now about it? Certainly some, but the assumption that all knew about it is errouneous.
What was the aim regarding other groups? It belongs to the historic truth that many forget that Germany was allied to Italy.
During the war a lot of countries - willingly, because of similiar interests or believes joined an alliance.
Slovakia and Croatia for example. And the willingly supported the German policy in the region. Others allied themself with Germany against the Soviets like Hungary, Romenia, Bulgaria and Finnland. Are those lies? No, that are historic facts.
The political aims for western Europe was to install puppet regimes - which was partly done: Vichy France or the National Socialists Party in Norway.
Regarding parts of Eastern Europe the aims were different - especially towards countries which had traditionally a hostile attitude to Germany. The aim was to make the Serbs, Poles and Russians to slaves of the "German civilisation".
The assumption that it was intended to kill all of them is eroneous. You can´t use dead people as slaves. That was however intended for all jews and gypsies.
Regarding other nationalities. Actually Scandinavians (Nordics) were seen as superior to most Germans. Western Europeans as somehow equal, Southern Europeans still as partners but Poles, Russians and Serbs as inferior.
And Jews and gypsis were not seen as humans at all.
Did such theories only exist in Germany? No, but it was the country which too it to the extreme. That should rather be seen as a warning for all to what racialism could lead. Simular that should be the case for Japanese history.
But I don´t think it is right for other countries to point there finger at that do distract from their own dark parts of history. That is not acceptable.
And it is not acceptable either to start a turn-around racialism which declares all Germans as evil monsters and puts them into a position the jews were in.
People who have such an position are no different to the Nazis.
Two wrongs do not make a right. And that is a fact Poland and the Czech Republic need to understand as well.
No nation has after the war as much examined and criticized its own national history as Germany did. That is a historic truth. That includes all aspects of the dictatorship and the guilt German nationals were involved in. But the call not to leave any aspects out of this examination had to lead into a development that we have to adress an issue which was staunchly ignored for many years: the fact that also German nationals were victims of Hitlers war and its consequences and the events following it: a campaign of ethnic cleansing. A fact which ought to be remembered as well.
Poland has no legal right to demand reparations anymore since it itself declared before that it is not going to demand more of them. Even if this legal position is not shared it needs to be said that those demands were already fulfilled due to the transfer of a third of German territory to Poland and the "ethnic cleansing" of it to make place for the Poles.
If the Polish government would demand reparations however - which it itself said it wouldn´t do - it could only go to the European court of justice to make its case. And the chances for that to succeed are close to zero.
And it would face counter-claims by Germany for the ethnic cleansing and the stealing of land, the killings and crimes on German nationals afterwards. Which legally has a chance of close to zero as well.
I actually agree with the Polish president which seems to be a voice of reason in this matter. He said: If we open up old bills we could really doing it: destroying Europe (again).

I believe it was at the Yalta conference that Winston Churchill jokingly said that Germany should be turned into a potato field as punishment for the war. Of course, behind every joke is a little bit of the truth. .
There is indeed. However Germany was needed as an ally in the Cold War against the Soviets. And today it is the third largest economic power. So, forget it. That can´t be done to Japan either. You are obviously not even able to defeat the palestinians. And they are much fewer. So, forget it.


Knowing how much the English and Irish love each other, Churchill was probably looking for a way to screw them over by destroying Irish agriculture. I personally like the Irish and would not want anything bad to happen to them, and since their economy is no longer potato-based, now would be the best time to do it. We should just raze the entire country, even buildings of great historical significance would go. After we are done, the Germans would only be allowed to grow potatoes and nothing else. If they do not like eating potato, then tough tanuki on them! They would live in houses made of whatever they could find near them and they would be denied electricity. There is still time, although it is running out. It has to be done before the last generation to have experienced the war dies off, or it would be pointless..
It is already pointless and it is impossible as well. I like the Irish also. But what would you think if we replaced the word German in your statement with the word Israel or jew?
Would you like that?





Although I was against the war in Iraq, I think there might be a much more sinister reason that the German government was against it. Without Saddam, there was one less person to give money to the suicide bombers killing innocent Israeli civilians. According to the B'nai B'rith, anti-semitism is at an all-time high in Europe since the end of the second world war, with France at the top and Germany at a close second (Poland is surprisingly low, considering it has a bad reputation with anti-semitism, but my grandparents lived there before WWII, and had no problems with the Polish people). Perhaps the Germans still want all the Jews to die, but they can't really do much from Germany, since most of us are in Israel, so they indirectly support the rag-heads who want to kill us.
Really: so why are today 100.000 jews living in Germany, more than ever since World War II? In 1990 it were just 30.000. So obviously those are evil traitors of Israel, right?
Regarding anti-semitism in Poland: the party which pushed the proposal forward - the right-extreme LPG party - spoke about a "german-jewish conspiracy" and called all politicans who are working for the improvement of the relationship with Germany traitors.
Why were you against the war in Iraq? Probably you should be considered a traitor as well.
Why was the "evil" Germany supporting the war against Afghanistan?
And why does Germany almost never voting for any resolution criticizing Israel? All part of a secret strategy?
Why has the German interior minister Schily yesterday declared in his visit to Jerusalem his support for the construction of the security barrier - which is disputed in Israel itself? All part of a German-Arab world conspiracy? It seems to be you who is suffering from conspiracy theories in a simular manner unfortunately many people suffered from that in the 1930s and 1940s. You should really come to reason and you should use your brain to think before you write such nonsense.

95% of the worlds population is not American, my friend.
But you are really missing the point of the national socialists ideology.
It was a racist ideology which directed different characterisitcs to different nationalities.
The Jews and Gypsis were seen as non-humans - as evil, monster, who wanted to take over the world. Aside of the fact - and that argument was used for the religious people - that they killed Jesus. The Jews were in that position in European history for centuries. Responsible for the plague, for revolution, famie, murder, e.g.. And the European history is full of genocides in that respect. And the jews were blamed for the defeat of Germany in World War I (step in the back legend). The Holocaust was the biggest one. It can be explained with the fact that a radical party ceized power and with the technical abilites which make it possible - aside of the fact that it happened in the shadow of World War II. Unlike many believe the events took place outside Germany - in Poland. How many Germans did really now about it? Certainly some, but the assumption that all knew about it is errouneous.
What was the aim regarding other groups? It belongs to the historic truth that many forget that Germany was allied to Italy.
During the war a lot of countries - willingly, because of similiar interests or believes joined an alliance.
Slovakia and Croatia for example. And the willingly supported the German policy in the region. Others allied themself with Germany against the Soviets like Hungary, Romenia, Bulgaria and Finnland. Are those lies? No, that are historic facts.
The political aims for western Europe was to install puppet regimes - which was partly done: Vichy France or the National Socialists Party in Norway.
Regarding parts of Eastern Europe the aims were different - especially towards countries which had traditionally a hostile attitude to Germany. The aim was to make the Serbs, Poles and Russians to slaves of the "German civilisation".
The assumption that it was intended to kill all of them is eroneous. You can´t use dead people as slaves. That was however intended for all jews and gypsies.
Regarding other nationalities. Actually Scandinavians (Nordics) were seen as superior to most Germans. Western Europeans as somehow equal, Southern Europeans still as partners but Poles, Russians and Serbs as inferior.
And Jews and gypsis were not seen as humans at all.
Did such theories only exist in Germany? No, but it was the country which too it to the extreme. That should rather be seen as a warning for all to what racialism could lead. Simular that should be the case for Japanese history.
But I don´t think it is right for other countries to point there finger at that do distract from their own dark parts of history. That is not acceptable.
And it is not acceptable either to start a turn-around racialism which declares all Germans as evil monsters and puts them into a position the jews were in.
People who have such an position are no different to the Nazis.
Two wrongs do not make a right. And that is a fact Poland and the Czech Republic need to understand as well.
No nation has after the war as much examined and criticized its own national history as Germany did. That is a historic truth. That includes all aspects of the dictatorship and the guilt German nationals were involved in. But the call not to leave any aspects out of this examination had to lead into a development that we have to adress an issue which was staunchly ignored for many years: the fact that also German nationals were victims of Hitlers war and its consequences and the events following it: a campaign of ethnic cleansing. A fact which ought to be remembered as well.
Poland has no legal right to demand reparations anymore since it itself declared before that it is not going to demand more of them. Even if this legal position is not shared it needs to be said that those demands were already fulfilled due to the transfer of a third of German territory to Poland and the "ethnic cleansing" of it to make place for the Poles.
If the Polish government would demand reparations however - which it itself said it wouldn´t do - it could only go to the European court of justice to make its case. And the chances for that to succeed are close to zero.
And it would face counter-claims by Germany for the ethnic cleansing and the stealing of land, the killings and crimes on German nationals afterwards. Which legally has a chance of close to zero as well.
I actually agree with the Polish president which seems to be a voice of reason in this matter. He said: If we open up old bills we could really doing it: destroying Europe (again).
I think Hitler would've preferred them all dead. Jews and Gypsies were simply the easiest to target, because they were always a target of prejudice. Slavs were often sent to deathcamps, too. Don't forget, Hitler didn't implement his "Final Solution" until well after the war started. It'd only be a matter of time before he proposed one for the "Slavic Problem", or "British Problem", or "(insert your ethnicity here) Problem".

I beleive the Bundeswehr should invade Poland for this insolence, and reannex Silesia, East, and West Prussia. The Polish army doesn't stand a chance!

Macht schnell für Polen! Wir mussen die Polnisch ausweisen!
This is not 1939! After the USA switches it's bases from Germany to Poland we will see if the Bundeswehr is up for it. And this time there won't be a Stalin to help partition Poland.

The Bundeswehr is still the largest military power in Europe, not counting Russia. Poland might have a military, but even they contract German assistance, like much of the world (such as Canada and Spain). Note to you, do not invade Germany to force reparations. You might lose your German territories :).

This is not 1939! After the USA switches it's bases from Germany to Poland we will see if the Bundeswehr is up for it. And this time there won't be a Stalin to help partition Poland.
Yes, it is not 1939.
Bush is not Rosevelt, Schröder not Hitler and Putin not Stalin. And you shouldn´t write such a nonsense.
The US is remaining most of its bases in Germany. It is and remains its largest base in Europe.
The International Harald Tribune reported the following about the issue:
http://www.iht.com/articles/538365.html

I might add to that that Poland and Germany signed in 1991 a treaty regarding the outstanding issues regarding World War II. In that treaty Germany finally recognized the Polish west border.
The german government has declared not to demand compensation for the "ethnic cleansing" of 14 million Germans - which caused hundreds of thousands of deaths - from those territories. The Polish government has made simular statements in 1953, 1970 (legally binding), in 1991 and recently in 2004 - even after the Sejm decision which isn´t legally binding anyway. I see rather domestic reasons - the upcoming election - as the reason for this nationalistic uproar which has no legal basis anyway since Poland received a lot of money already and a third of the German territory.