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Point taken on the slavery, on review, I find you are right.

Yip. =)

On the rape topic. Adultry was a sin, punishable by death in Israel. If you didn't cry out then you probably weren't raped, it was probably consensual. In the city, in those times where there wasn't as much housing insulation, noise, and personal isolation as in our modern society, you probably would have been heard.

Yes, because every woman who doesn't cry out because someone is holding a weapon to her throat really wanted it. The point is that it is easy to imagine a situation in which a woman couldn't cry out and was raped - or, even worse, did cry out but was just not helped. You can't assume that the Israelites were better people than all the people today. This is a clear example of a society that looked upon women as being inherently inferior and less important than men, plain and simple.

As for genocide I could offer you the usual the Lord giveth and the Lord taketh, but I'm sure it won't mean much to anybody not already a Christian.

Way to make assumptions and not read anything I've written up until this point. I am a Christian. And, since I am a Christian, I recognize that genocide is *never* good. It is very much inherently evil.

You make quite a good point. Why do they ram Christianity down our throats at such early ages? Is it so it is easier to believe when you have no perception of the truth? After being a Anglican for about 13 years I turned to Taoism. It's a philosophy and I pefer it because you are not going to kill for your philosophical thoughts are you? You will kill for your beliefs. Anyway the less said the better

You have no beliefs..?

Do you believe there's a reasonable possibility that you'll wake up tomorrow..?

Religion was something I was brought up by. It got my through some very hard times in my life, and I'm glad it was "rammed down my throat" However I do believe that children need to make their own minds up to what they want to believe in. As parents we need to support that decision.

Ive allways noticed how many kids are rammed with religion from an early age apparantly to make them good LOL

Geez wont someone get a grip in this world ..

Why teach the kids about a stupid old story when we should be teaching them to be GOOD simple innit..

I mean why mess up there heads with a story that cant be prooved then fill their head with stuff about a devil in the afterlife -- Come on ppl think what this will do to them long-term it will make then unstable - when they should be stable with facts and not fiction..

Damn its pretty simple to do ..

I agree, but I also agree that liberals tend to throw facts out the window when it doesn't support thier view, so your all wrong.

You have no beliefs..?

Do you believe there's a reasonable possibility that you'll wake up tomorrow..?
Please, I agree with you, but we already had an argument like this before and I think that only once is good when no one actually changes opinion. To summarise the whole argument, some people think that scientific faith (backed up by science; who ever thought you could have faith in science) and repetitive occurences are different from religious faith, which is only backed up by what people saw when the religious occurences were believed to take place. Of course, I worded it differently to aid my argument, but secretly and not-so-secretly, everyone does it.

I agree, but I also agree that liberals tend to throw facts out the window when it doesn't support thier view, so your all wrong.
That's an unreasonable and pointless generalisation backed up with poor English, which, if you knew good English, could have backed up your argument slightly by reinforcing how people with poor English obviously haven't had much education or simply lack the intelligence to speak English properly. I agree, everyone tends to ignore what can't help them, or at least find a work-around that doesn't make perfect sense. But to make that generalisation without any sort of reinforcement (such as quoting one of the many times he did ignore important facts, and he did a lot) is wrong. Therefore, your argument is unsupported.

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Originally Posted by Perrien
I agree, but I also agree that liberals tend to throw facts out the window when it doesn't support thier view, so your all wrong.


That's an unreasonable and pointless generalisation backed up with poor English, which, if you knew good English, could have backed up your argument slightly by reinforcing how people with poor English obviously haven't had much education or simply lack the intelligence to speak English properly. I agree, everyone tends to ignore what can't help them, or at least find a work-around that doesn't make perfect sense. But to make that generalisation without any sort of reinforcement (such as quoting one of the many times he did ignore important facts, and he did a lot) is wrong. Therefore, your argument is unsupported.

I don't argue,... I pontificate,...

OH,... you're not talking to me..! :)

Sorry..!

..and I hate it when people use "their", and "your" instead of "you're".

But I'm a notorious putz,.. and easily ignored. :)

just checking to see if this is still going

just checking to see if this is still going
Doesn't do anything unless someone suddenly utters blasphemies against someone else. Anyone? I'm starting to get bored.

The point still stands on my feelings against parenting religion into the youth ..

Without it we can be exactly the same and better with it we diminish our spirits and our kids lifes by simply telling them lies.

Ive allways noticed how many kids are rammed with religion from an early age apparantly to make them good LOL

Geez wont someone get a grip in this world ..

Why teach the kids about a stupid old story when we should be teaching them to be GOOD simple innit..

I mean why mess up there heads with a story that cant be prooved then fill their head with stuff about a devil in the afterlife -- Come on ppl think what this will do to them long-term it will make then unstable - when they should be stable with facts and not fiction..

Damn its pretty simple to do ..

Well, it's not like they actually care about their children. They can't show their kida the love in their hearts, so they try to make them believe in a bullshit god who can show them all the love in his heart.

Well, it's not like they actually care about their children. They can't show their kida the love in their hearts, so they try to make them believe in a bullshit god who can show them all the love in his heart.

Funny how that seems to characterize so many of our lives.

Well, it's not like they actually care about their children. They can't show their kida the love in their hearts, so they try to make them believe in a bullshit god who can show them all the love in his heart.


Exactly man i mean is it really that hard to show your kids some love without turning it into false a thing when it is the foundation of the link between parents and their kids ..

So why claim its from something we cant see, hear, touch or proove when obviously love is a feeling we harbour all our lives and can and should use it to bring up our kids with compassion in mind.

Yes,.. it IS time to change your underpants big C..! :)

Yes,.. it IS time to change your underpants big C..! :)
You sound far too excited.

Yes,.. it IS time to change your underpants big C..! :)


LoL another person who cant grasp reality or the question and has to get angry because they KNOW they are wrong

Well, I beg to differ on the belief that God doesn't exist.

Another one lost to the fantasy trap

Well, I beg to differ on the belief that God doesn't exist.
Um... okay. A little more substance might have been nice however.

Well, I beg to differ on the belief that God doesn't exist.


PROOVE IT !

Parents shouldnt ram religion down there kid's throats, Thats just wrong. they should let them choose what religion they want, when there old enough to understand of course.

hehe. I don't need to prove it. I just need to take you for a walk in the forest. To point out all the plants and animals that are around. and to ask:

"Do you really, honestly believe that all this, trees, grass, animals, us humans was created randomly? Just a mere mathematical possibility? That there is no Creator of some sort using His or Her or Its hands to create the Earth and all the life on it?"

hehe. I don't need to prove it. I just need to take you for a walk in the forest. To point out all the plants and animals that are around. and to ask:

"Do you really, honestly believe that all this, trees, grass, animals, us humans was created randomly? Just a mere mathematical possibility? That there is no Creator of some sort using His or Her or Its hands to create the Earth and all the life on it?"
And then I would pull out several essays by David Hume to discount that approach, point out the various ways in which evolution has long since solved that question, and discern that there is no directive goal in the evolution of life, thereby ruling out a creationistic prompting theory. Thus debasing your entire argument.

I mean really, the argument from design? You can do better than that.

Well, it's not like they actually care about their children. They can't show their kida the love in their hearts, so they try to make them believe in a bullshit god who can show them all the love in his heart.
I think that's a bit harsh. I mean, I don't like religion, and I'm sure that (EDIT: by that I mean what Eridanus said) is the case with many people, but I doubt that that is true of most Christians. Granted, my experience has been different from many people's; Both of my parents are Methodists, and made me go to church when I was younger, but they never forced their religion down my throat, and when I said I wasn't going to church anymore, that was it. They accepted it. But I think most parents who drag their kids to church do it out of genuine (although somewhat misguided, IMHO) concern for their children's well-being. For most of these people, it simply does not occur to them that their children would be better served if they were allowed to open their minds and encouraged to make their own decisions about what they want to believe. If I ever have kids, I'm certainly not going to drag them to church, but I'll certainly encourage them to learn about the various religions, and attend a service if one interests them.

hehe. I don't need to prove it. I just need to take you for a walk in the forest. To point out all the plants and animals that are around. and to ask:

"Do you really, honestly believe that all this, trees, grass, animals, us humans was created randomly? Just a mere mathematical possibility? That there is no Creator of some sort using His or Her or Its hands to create the Earth and all the life on it?"


You do need to proove it im afraid..

Im here so i feel someone created me or something, but where by realising that does it proove God exists and the bible and the storys of heaven and hell are true ?

For god sake man

I've always found it odd that people who rant and rave about how religion is nonexistant use any expression with God or hell in it. Wouldn't those terms be, you know, offensive? Or is it just an expression to you, even though you get so uptight about parents mentioning God to their kids.

I've always found it odd that people who rant and rave about how religion is nonexistant use any expression with God or hell in it. Wouldn't those terms be, you know, offensive? Or is it just an expression to you, even though you get so uptight about parents mentioning God to their kids.


Christ on a bike man - i hope this is sarcasm

You do need to proove it im afraid..

Im here so i feel someone created me or something, but where by realising that does it proove God exists and the bible and the storys of heaven and hell are true ?

Well, I don't think the Bible itself is actually as true as people may think. I think the miracles are the result of...something, just can't place it for now. But, I feel that yes, Ginny, there is a God out there that creates and keeps on creating.

I've always found it odd that people who rant and rave about how religion is nonexistant use any expression with God or hell in it. Wouldn't those terms be, you know, offensive? Or is it just an expression to you, even though you get so uptight about parents mentioning God to their kids.
Eh, it is just an expression, with entirely different connotation and, oftentimes, dennotation as well. Saying 'oh god no' is different in usage than 'now pray to god suzie'.

Well, I don't think the Bible itself is actually as true as people may think. I think the miracles are the result of...something, just can't place it for now. But, I feel that yes, Ginny, there is a God out there that creates and keeps on creating.

I respect what you say and thats what you feel and beleive that is good no harm thereas you know - you come across a lot better than half the people who beleive in GOD who claim its TRUE without no PROOF

Well, I'm sick of my parents taking me to art galleries every once in a while. I don't believe in art. Furthermore, I've not seen anyone make this art; it is a scientific impossibility that is was actually made. It is nonexistent. It is a fantasy. Why do they have to ask me (careful wording here) if I want to go to the art gallery, anyway? I think that's pushing it a bit too far. Why can't my parents stop ramming art down my throat?

Well, I'm sick of my parents taking me to art galleries every once in a while. I don't believe in art. Furthermore, I've not seen anyone make this art; it is a scientific impossibility that is was actually made. It is nonexistent. It is a fantasy. Why do they have to ask me (careful wording here) if I want to go to the art gallery, anyway? I think that's pushing it a bit too far. Why can't my parents stop ramming art down my throat?

I think your confused and in the wrong thread

Well, I don't think the Bible itself is actually as true as people may think. I think the miracles are the result of...something, just can't place it for now. But, I feel that yes, Ginny, there is a God out there that creates and keeps on creating.
Now that's worth listening to. I believe in a miracle of God, but I also believe in well-placed coincidences, divine intervention and the nonsensical idea that the Bible is not absolutely accurate.

I think your confused and in the wrong thread
I think you're confused and have trouble understanding satire.

Now we are getting somewhere LoL

Eh, it is just an expression, with entirely different connotation and, oftentimes, dennotation as well. Saying 'oh god no' is different in usage than 'now pray to god suzie'.

Correct, it is not the same. In fact, it is something completely opposite. It it talking the lords name in vein. Which is a pretty bad thing to do.

Correct, it is not the same. In fact, it is something completely opposite. It it talking the lords name in vein. Which is a pretty bad thing to do.


Not really especially when hardly anyone beleives in the stories anymore ..

God in hell TOPIC

Correct, it is not the same. In fact, it is something completely opposite. It it talking the lords name in vein. Which is a pretty bad thing to do.
Only to those who believe in such things as taking the lord's name in vein. To the rest of us, it is just a saying. Much similar to saying 'crap' or 'oh shit'.

Pay close attention and watch this amazing magic trick. Changes to the original quote are in red.
Well, I'm sick of my parents taking me to churches every Sunday (and not every Sunday, even). I don't believe in God. Furthermore, I've not seen anyone complete these miracles; it is a scientific impossibility that it (whoops; spelling typo in original) actually happened. It is nonexistent. It is a fantasy. Why do they have to ask me (careful wording here) if I want to go to the Church, anyway? I think that's pushing it a bit too far. Why can't my parents stop ramming religion down my throat?
Did it sound kind of unreasonable when talking about Art?

Only to those who believe in such things as taking the lord's name in vein. To the rest of us, it is just a saying. Much similar to saying 'crap' or 'oh shit'.
not just for those who believe in it. I mean, well it is bad for everybody. becouse it isn't a matter of if you beleive in it or not becouse it is true. I have nothing more to say. You go on thinking what your thinking and I will go on whith what I know. Maybe within the next 20 years or so we will find out who is right. lol. "let this be a warning" lol jk.

Pay close attention and watch this amazing magic trick. Changes to the original quote are in red.

Did it sound kind of unreasonable when talking about Art?


I understood your post mate - it doesnt actually make a point though does it ..

Are you saying making kids go to an art gallery is like making them beleive in a fantasy story that will effect their entire lifes ??

Not really especially when hardly anyone beleives in the stories anymore ..

God in hell TOPIC
Actually, quite a few people believe in the stories nowadays. Just because this message board is full of extremist atheists doesn't mean that the entire world is. In fact, atheists are a very small minority in the world.

Anyone have a statistic? Right now I'm forced to make assumptions. I'm ashamed of myself.

Actually, quite a few people believe in the stories nowadays. Just because this message board is full of extremist atheists doesn't mean that the entire world is. In fact, atheists are a very small minority in the world.

Anyone have a statistic? Right now I'm forced to make assumptions. I'm ashamed of myself.

Im going on who i know and not what might be true the kids i know who are growing up I have talked too and have all said they dont even care about it let alone beleive in it.

They arent as stupid as they used to be and harder to brainwash using fantasy

Well, I'm sick of my parents taking me to art galleries every once in a while. I don't believe in art. Furthermore, I've not seen anyone make this art; it is a scientific impossibility that is was actually made. It is nonexistent. It is a fantasy. Why do they have to ask me (careful wording here) if I want to go to the art gallery, anyway? I think that's pushing it a bit too far. Why can't my parents stop ramming art down my throat?

Actually, this 'art' has been proven scientifically to exist by a recenty study. Social scientists followed around a select group of people who create 'art', who will hereafter be refered to as 'Artists'. As the scientists continued to study these 'Artists' they realized they are very much like you or I. 'Artists' have a similiar sleep and sustainance cycles as the normal population. The main difference between normal people and these 'Artists' is that 'Artists' for the most part do not take on any form of a career.

The process of creating 'art' varies as widely as the appearance of the 'Artists' themselves, varying from using primitive 'Water Coloring' techniques to sculpting various forms of 'Clay'.

The study has yet to conclude as to where 'Artists' origionate from, however. Some theories have been posed that they are delivered by seabirds to unfortunate couple's doorsteps, though it is currently in dispute by a radical group that claims that they actually come from the wombs of females who have been impregnated by males.

I shall report back to the forums where the issue of 'Artist Creation' has been solved.

And now, for no apparent reason, here is a bio-terrorism smiley
:gundge:

I understood your post mate - it doesnt actually make a point though does it ..

Are you saying making kids go to an art gallery is like making them beleive in a fantasy story that will effect their entire lifes ??
I can't stand it any longer. This HAS to be fixed.
I understood your post, mate; it doesn't actually make a point, though, does it?
Are you saying making kids go to an art gallery is similar to making them believe in a fantasy story that will affect their entire lifes?
No, but is it silly to force a kid to go to an art gallery simply because the kid might find it interesting? Isn't it silly for a kid not to believe in art simply because the kid didn't see it in development? And isn't it silly to force me to be politically correct by replacing pronouns with "the kid" (I just added that for fun, I hate political correctedness and originally kept on referring to the kid as a male)?

Then apply these questions to Religion.

By the way, doesn't it seem like the kids who are rammed down the throat are primarily atheists? Evidentally, they have not had their lives changed forever. Furthermore, some people are (surprise!) better off because of religion. I know, crazy, eh? But there are moral changes. The person has to live up to the expectations of his religion by not being an axe-wielding maniac. There's also the highly-sought-after Placebo effect, which can fix many deadly diseases, really.

Actually, this 'art' has been proven scientifically to exist by a recenty study. Social scientists followed around a select group of people who create 'art', who will hereafter be refered to as 'Artists'. As the scientists continued to study these 'Artists' they realized they are very much like you or I. 'Artists' have a similiar sleep and sustainance cycles as the normal population. The main difference between normal people and these 'Artists' is that 'Artists' for the most part do not take on any form of a career.

The process of creating 'art' varies as widely as the appearance of the 'Artists' themselves, varying from using primitive 'Water Coloring' techniques to sculpting various forms of 'Clay'.

The study has yet to conclude as to where 'Artists' origionate from, however. Some theories have been posed that they are delivered by seabirds to unfortunate couple's doorsteps, though it is currently in dispute by a radical group that claims that they actually come from the wombs of females who have been impregnated by males.

I shall report back to the forums where the issue of 'Artist Creation' has been solved.

And now, for no apparent reason, here is a bio-terrorism smiley
:gundge:
Damnit, hath no one know satire!? Think a little harder!

I can't stand it any longer. This HAS to be fixed.

No, but is it silly to force a kid to go to an art gallery simply because the kid might find it interesting? Isn't it silly for a kid not to believe in art simply because the kid didn't see it in development? And isn't it silly to force me to be politically correct by replacing pronouns with "the kid" (I just added that for fun, I hate political correctedness and originally kept on referring to the kid as a male)?

Then apply these questions to Religion.

By the way, doesn't it seem like the kids who are rammed down the throat are primarily atheists? Evidentally, they have not had their lives changed forever. Furthermore, some people are (surprise!) better off because of religion. I know, crazy, eh? But there are moral changes. The person has to live up to the expectations of his religion by not being an axe-wielding maniac. There's also the highly-sought-after Placebo effect, which can fix many deadly diseases, really.


Or if they just were good like everyone else there wouldnt be a problem

Im going on who i know and not what might be true the kids i know who are growing up I have talked too and have all said they dont even care about it let alone beleive in it.

They arent as stupid as they used to be and harder to brainwash using fantasy

Let's pay special attention, ladies and gentlemen, to the curious ramblings of our subject here.

Notice the "unique" spelling. The "unique" puntuation. The fantastically, nearly incomprehensible, use of grammar and syntax.

Yes,.. yes,.. Camy DOES indeed need a good underpants changing...!

Badly..!

It appears it's backing up and flowing from,.. yes,.. yes, it's flowing in copious amounts from Camy's mouth..!

Truly amazing..!

Well done Camy..! :D

Let's pay special attention, ladies and gentlemen, to the curious ramblings of our subject here.

Notice the "unique" spelling. The "unique" puntuation. The fantastically, nearly incomprehensible, use of grammar and syntax.

Yes,.. yes,.. Camy DOES indeed need a good underpants changing...!

Badly..!

It appears it's backing up and flowing from,.. yes,.. yes, it's flowing in copious amounts from Camy's mouth..!

Truly amazing..!

Well done Camy..! :D


You dont actually have a single point to be heard - ive seen you post 6 times with no actual meaning just rambling on about ME tell you what why dont you just pray to me I AM YOUR GOD

Edit- I bet your pleased with that rambling pish as well sitting smiling I got him lol not even knowing we are discussing something scratching your very very fragile mind

Actually, quite a few people believe in the stories nowadays. Just because this message board is full of extremist atheists doesn't mean that the entire world is. In fact, atheists are a very small minority in the world.

Anyone have a statistic? Right now I'm forced to make assumptions. I'm ashamed of myself.

Something like 3-4% of the US population. I can't recall any figures on other nations. I feel out-gunned and out-numbered. We don't have any books to point to when people ask if we're right or not.

Something like 3-4% of the US population. I can't recall any figures on other nations. I feel out-gunned and out-numbered. We don't have any books to point to when people ask if we're right or not.


thats low and thank god its low

Children should be educated on religion throughout their life, but not just one religion, as many religions as the parents can while abiding the law etc. But the parents have an obligation to allow their child the ability to chose their religion at 13 and not look at their decision with prejudice.

Children should be educated on religion throughout their life, but not just one religion, as many religions as the parents can while abiding the law etc. But the parents have an obligation to allow their child the ability to chose their religion at 13 and not look at their decision with prejudice.


Why do you feel they should be mate ? (taught with religion)

Only to those who believe in such things as taking the lord's name in vein. To the rest of us, it is just a saying. Much similar to saying 'crap' or 'oh shit'.

I never thought that's what that commandment MEANT in the first place. In some cultures, saying "Oh my God" is considered invocation of the Lord, rather than taking His name in vain. To me, taking the Lord's name in vain has nothing to do with simple expressions like that--but with using God to justify acts He would NEVER approve of...like murdering innocents and so on.

I never thought that's what that commandment MEANT in the first place. In some cultures, saying "Oh my God" is considered invocation of the Lord, rather than taking His name in vain. To me, taking the Lord's name in vain has nothing to do with simple expressions like that--but with using God to justify acts He would NEVER approve of...like murdering innocents and so on.

Just like the witch burning thing that happened in scotland these evil christians were using the bible and gods name to burn innocent women which is pure sick. And i know christians who act on what they claim to beleive dont go around torching people.

Just like the witch burning thing that happened in scotland these evil christians were using the bible and gods name to burn innocent women which is pure sick. And i know christians who act on what they claim to beleive dont go around torching people.

Exactly, that was not a Christian act at all. I find that not many people have considered that particular interpretation of the Commandment I mentioned, and it seems to open some eyes when I point it out (in a good way).

thats low and thank god its low

Wait, you're happy that the atheist population is low? *confused*

As for your demand to another person that they prove the existence of the divine, why don't you prove the nonexistence of the divine?

Oh wait, you can't. The existence or nonexistence of a deity is an axiomatic decision. Some people believe they can sense a god or gods working in their lives. Some people do not sense that. However, both the assertion that there is a god and the assertion that there is not are equally unprovable, axiomatic statements.

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Originally Posted by Camdean
thats low and thank god its low


Wait, you're happy that the atheist population is low? *confused*

As for your demand to another person that they prove the existence of the divine, why don't you prove the nonexistence of the divine?

Oh wait, you can't. The existence or nonexistence of a deity is an axiomatic decision. Some people believe they can sense a god or gods working in their lives. Some people do not sense that. However, both the assertion that there is a god and the assertion that there is not are equally unprovable, axiomatic statements.

Well put..!

Most excellent post..!

Let it not be said I have praise for no one..!

Bring on the rational-irrationalists,.. for surely they are chosen of god,.. much as the last-kid-picked for dodgeball is so chosen..!

"Get It On..!" <Captain Tenneal> (http://mxc.moonfruit.com/)

Why do you feel they should be mate ? (taught with religion)
Well, I'm not sure what his reasons are, but, even though I'm an agnostic, I do believe that children should have at least a little bit of education on the major religions. Not only will it help them understand other people a little better, but maybe there's a religion out there that suits them, but that they would not normally be exposed to. While I have decided that following a religion is not right for me, simply the fact that such a large majority of the population follows a religion should lead everyone to think that maybe there is some validity to them. I'm not willing to simply dismiss all religion in all its forms as bullshit, and I think it would do us all some good to at least hear what "the other guy" (be he Muslim, Christian, Hindu, atheist, etc.) has to say. Now, I admit, I don't know much at all about Islam, Hinduism, etc., but I hope to fix that one day.

Just like the witch burning thing that happened in scotland these evil christians were using the bible and gods name to burn innocent women which is pure sick. And i know christians who act on what they claim to beleive dont go around torching people.
Who were the ones being burned? Rich people. People who have committed crimes against other people or people who have revealed crimes or can. People who pose a threat to other people. Religion is just a cover-up, as it has been for many years.

Or if they just were good like everyone else there wouldnt be a problem
Sorry, but what the hell does this sentence mean?

EDIT: I'm going to take a leap of faith (which, thankfully, I can do, because I HAVE faith, as opposed to someone who can't believe in art just because they weren't present in its creation) and assume you're talking about how it'd be better if people just followed morals rather than learning from religion.

Don't assume people can be good on their own. Communism was built with the assumption people would work without being forced. That's why the USSR turned out crummy and they had to kill, torture, imprison, silence and place in gulags. It took a reason to follow morals to keep people working, and there were only a few reasons.

By the way, Camdean, you have a bad habit of replying only to small parts of questions and pretending you've answered all of them. Actually give us a half-decent rebuttal for everything we say or admit you're wrong. 'Course, you're probably not gonna read this and come up with a decent reply, anyway.

Who were the ones being burned? Rich people. People who have committed crimes against other people or people who have revealed crimes or can. People who pose a threat to other people. Religion is just a cover-up, as it has been for many years.

Yes, it's their own selfish acts--and that was the point I was making in the post that Camdean was responding to, that God never, EVER sanctioned that sort of thing. It must grieve Him more terribly than just about anything else, when people torture, kill, and oppress "in His name". In fact, I think it's even a form of blasphemy to justify hatefulness with His name...which was the point of my original post he was answering.

just for the record i respect religious people as long as they just be good- which basically leads to - forget religion just be GOOD

We all the know the rights and wrongs and it ISNT hard to teach the kids this is it ?
My only question for you would be. What is right and wrong without God? Finality is my proof that God exists, the fact that everything has a purpose, and a place. By no means am I saying that you should stop being a "good" person, but ask yourself to what end, so that in a generation or two when your children and their children are long dead, what purpose did your life serve. To leave this world with nothing? And in return to contribute nothing to this world. No there has to be something more to this world.

No what im saying is stop teaching the kids about a fantasy novel 2000 year old if you really care about them you would just want them to know the good n bad - a severe diference that needs to be taught .. It can be taught without a book -LOL You have it in you to teach them what you have learned - i know the bible wasnt evil man - but its old fashioned a couple of thousand of years lol cant we just do what jesus would do and teach good ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

If you really beleive in the bible you will understand
Does that mean you believe the Bible?

Does that mean you believe the Bible?
No, it means he respects people who believe in the bible and he agrees that people should use its morals, but it's a two-thousand year old fantasy story that no one cares about.

Hey, Camdean, why is something a fantasy just because it's old? Can you come up with ANYTHING better than "its too thawsnd yeers old, m8"? Hey, the Greeks discovered many things before we did. Insulation, the Earth being round, the Earth not being the centre of the solar system, Greek Fire, artisanship, masonry (during the Middle Ages, people had no clue how to build a wall, so they just stacked a whole bunch of stones and made 'em much thicker; "quantity, not quality")... The list goes on and on. Are you telling me these things are now lies!? They stopped being true after two thousand years!? Is the Earth Flat AND the centre of the Universe, which contradict each other!? Come on, come up with a REAL reason to not believe in the Bible. There are a lot, you just missed, uh... All of them.