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Mew Mew Sweetie
24-08-2004, 21:07
Good for you, la! I believe we all need something to make us unique, la! And I have many things, la, la is just one of them, la! Unique-ness prevents labeling, la! Punk style started out unique, but became fad then label, la. Sad, yes? La...
Dacowookies
24-08-2004, 21:08
shit, i'm an old duffer.... :)
Mew Mew Sweetie
24-08-2004, 21:10
*laugh* La! I must give you a hint, though... I am younger than 16... so perhaps you are older than you thought, la? *laugh* But age is a natural thing and will show on me eventually, la! Except for elves... la...
Kadmark
24-08-2004, 21:14
I'd just like to say that all the US needs to do is cut all funding for foreign economic aid for a single week and it'd show the rest of the world the only reason their countries still exist (but to a much bigger extent to Africa and the Middle East than to Western Europe). Not only that, cutting foreign aid for a week would probably completely absolve the national debt, and then some! Cut all foreign aid for a year, and we'd have a budget surplus for a decade! Seriously, the US spend trillions of dollars a year helping out other countries. Yet, the more we help out Africa and the Middle East, the more those insignificant countries stand against us in the UN. My point is, why bother? Bush already pulled the plug on the AIDS Awareness Program in Africa because the Africans weren't listening and we were wasting billions of dollars because of it!
Mew Mew Sweetie
24-08-2004, 21:14
la... *cat ears fold down* I have to go, la. Please forgive me, la... Thank you for the chance to type like this and raise my posts, la, a little... la. Goodbye, la. Keep your uniquness, Fight for ANIMES RIGHT and go to Hollywoodmewmew.com... la. Please, la, and thank you, la.
TheLiberator
24-08-2004, 21:16
And the reason why you need the self-satisfaction of having your nation labelled as the "best" or "greatest" is? What the hell is the point? Way to allow people who are not from America become closer to you, and I might add, I am British, and there are many reasons why I would prefer to live where I am than America.

Health care, crime (guns), laws, goverment, your fast food and such, your politicians (bush anyone?), a lot of your television, your patrotis (ever hear a British person say "God bless Britain"? God bless India? God bless Iraq? Do you realise how stupid it sounds?) just to name a few reasons.

That being said, there are plenty of good points about America, and I enjoy American people and such. There are good points and bad points, just as there are in Britain. The thing is, I don't find the need to advocate my nation as the "best" simply to improve my ego in some small way by chanting "GREAT BRIT-AIN! GREAT BRIT-AIN!" and wanting to prove to everyone else how great my homeland is.hmmm, now if only there were more people in the world kind of like you. I agree with you. Why must we say who is better? Oh yeah, that's right. Because there are egotistical,manipulating,argumentative hotheads out there who want to take out their anger on others in some form. Don't deny it, we all know it's true. Oh, and as for the wrongs going on in America, maybe it's because of the freedom we are given? Then again, i'd rather have freedom,and PICK who "rules" per say, MY land. Unfortunately for Britain, and i still don't know why, but they would rather have one certain family that is supposed to be a "royal"family rule their land time after time again. Actually, there is no "royalness." Can you say, a form of social racism?

OOC: This post was not made to offend anyone, but rather to voice an OPINION from one in about 6billion. I am a proud American by the way, and i stand by my nation with the deepest pride.
Mew Mew Sweetie
24-08-2004, 21:16
Oh, la! Before I leave, la, I need to say, since someone mention aids, la, that a certain anime kitty has helped children major. Hello Kitty is the childrens aids mascot for Japan as well as the U.S, and has brought a few smiles and giggles to children suffering. La! So you see how important one anime is to certain people, la? Please help save more and perhaps we could see more smiles, la!
Attican Empire
24-08-2004, 21:16
*laugh* La! I must give you a hint, though... I am younger than 16... so perhaps you are older than you thought, la? *laugh* But age is a natural thing and will show on me eventually, la! Except for elves... la...

heil.
-North Korea-
24-08-2004, 21:17
Just keep in mind that the US has one of biggest populations in the world! The only one bigger is China, and they aer very corrupt, so we are the champions my friends myfriends and well keep on fighting till the end! Sorry that songs playing right now and its one of my favorites.

Um,,, your forgeting India.
Current Top 5 most populated countries (July 2004)

1 China 1,298,847,624 .
2 India 1,065,070,607
3 United States 293,027,571
4 Indonesia 238,452,952
5 Brazil 184,101,109



the Chinese government is corrupt, but western governments are more corrupt then most realize. The Chinese economy will overtake the US economy in a little as 20years. There economy has been growing at almost 10% a year, for 20 years

Anyway.. The US is a great place, but i can't say it is the best. Thats because there is no "Best country" All the developed nations are great.
New Obbhlia
24-08-2004, 21:18
Just keep in mind that the US has one of biggest populations in the world! The only one bigger is China, and they aer very corrupt, so we are the champions my friends myfriends and well keep on fighting till the end! Sorry that songs playing right now and its one of my favorites.

Excuse me! Seriously, Your global ignorance is pissing me off! Is the geography really that bad in the American school or is it just You?
Dacowookies
24-08-2004, 21:19
I'd just like to say that all the US needs to do is cut all funding for foreign economic aid for a single week and it'd show the rest of the world the only reason their countries still exist (but to a much bigger extent to Africa and the Middle East than to Western Europe). Not only that, cutting foreign aid for a week would probably completely absolve the national debt, and then some! Cut all foreign aid for a year, and we'd have a budget surplus for a decade! Seriously, the US spend trillions of dollars a year helping out other countries. Yet, the more we help out Africa and the Middle East, the more those insignificant countries stand against us in the UN. My point is, why bother? Bush already pulled the plug on the AIDS Awareness Program in Africa because the Africans weren't listening and we were wasting billions of dollars because of it!
excuse me?.....please do an we'll show you just how much the world needs you!
New Obbhlia
24-08-2004, 21:21
I'd just like to say that all the US needs to do is cut all funding for foreign economic aid for a single week and it'd show the rest of the world the only reason their countries still exist (but to a much bigger extent to Africa and the Middle East than to Western Europe).

Christ! Are there anti-Israel Americans? Get a bit more information of where Your tax money is spent before You say something like that.
Bad Republicans
24-08-2004, 21:25
Christ! Are there anti-Israel Americans? Get a bit more information of where Your tax money is spent before You say something like that.

Im anti-Israel they took land not theres they took our money and they want us to destroy Iran because of there nuclear weopons, why dont they do it? There giving us worse creditiblility, and yes if we cut off aid to all countrys we would be a lot richer, we are just more generous than other countrys
New Obbhlia
24-08-2004, 21:27
By the way I'd like to say that the only UN-countries that haven't signed the UN child-treaty (extencting the rights for youths and children, that means that the signing country should try to work against child-labour and childsoldiers etc.) are Somalia and US. But I am sure of that they had good reasons for it, the same as for not paying the UN member-fee I guess...
Bad Republicans
24-08-2004, 21:28
And why am I a mad woman? For fighting for the right for anime to be what it IS and what it's meant to BE? La?!?!

No because you are extremely annoying because you say La all the time, I wont think your annoying just please drop the LA!
New Obbhlia
24-08-2004, 21:29
Im anti-Israel they took land not theres they took our money and they want us to destroy Iran because of there nuclear weopons, why dont they do it? There giving us worse creditiblility, and yes if we cut off aid to all countrys we would be a lot richer, we are just more generous than other countrys

No You are not, every UN-member (of the first world) is to pay at least 2% of their BNP in foreign aid, compare to Luxembourg, Quwait and Monaco and You wouldn't see anu difference...
Bad Republicans
24-08-2004, 21:29
By the way I'd like to say that the only UN-countries that haven't signed the UN child-treaty (extencting the rights for youths and children, that means that the signing country should try to work against child-labour and childsoldiers etc.) are Somalia and US. But I am sure of that they had good reasons for it, the same as for not paying the UN member-fee I guess...

We have child labor laws in the US maybe thats a reason for you, we dont need these silly UN laws when we have our own laws.
ZeBob7904
24-08-2004, 21:29
America is filled with nothing but obese pigs who will anything that they see. Including babies mmmmmm babies.......
Seosavists
24-08-2004, 21:32
I'd just like to say that all the US needs to do is cut all funding for foreign economic aid for a single week and it'd show the rest of the world the only reason their countries still exist (but to a much bigger extent to Africa and the Middle East than to Western Europe).
How about if we returned the favor and watched your country crash and burn.

America is filled with nothing but obese pigs who will anything that they see. Including babies mmmmmm babies.......
www.babyeatingamericans.com its true
New Obbhlia
24-08-2004, 21:33
We have child labor laws in the US maybe thats a reason for you, we dont need these silly UN laws when we have our own laws.

That is totally up to You, if that is Your image then I don't care, but I hope that You do allow me to criticise the fee-paing from the US, US hasn't payed since Bush's election I belive...
Dizzy Queens
24-08-2004, 21:34
I'd just like to say that all the US needs to do is cut all funding for foreign economic aid for a single week and it'd show the rest of the world the only reason their countries still exist (but to a much bigger extent to Africa and the Middle East than to Western Europe). Not only that, cutting foreign aid for a week would probably completely absolve the national debt, and then some! Cut all foreign aid for a year, and we'd have a budget surplus for a decade! Seriously, the US spend trillions of dollars a year helping out other countries. Yet, the more we help out Africa and the Middle East, the more those insignificant countries stand against us in the UN. My point is, why bother? Bush already pulled the plug on the AIDS Awareness Program in Africa because the Africans weren't listening and we were wasting billions of dollars because of it!


The world might be less dependent on American generosity than you think - the Country with the worlds highest GDP is one of the least generous countries...who says so? The CIA of said country...here are some selected ranking for 2003 in Foreign Aid To Developing Nations

1.
Luxembourg
$352.30 per person

2.
Norway
$307.95 per person

3.
Denmark
$302.72 per person

4.
Netherlands
$216.71 per person

5.
Sweden
$191.48 per person

7.
France
$104.68 per person

8.
United Kingdom
$74.88 per person

11.
Ireland
$72.11 per person

12.
Japan
$71.53 per person

13.
Germany
$67.96 per person

17.
Spain
$33.07 per person

18.
Portugal
$26.82 per person

20.
United States
$23.76 per person

21.
Italy
$17.24 per person

22.
Lesotho
$0 per person
Mew Mew Sweetie
24-08-2004, 21:35
La! Guess who has returned, la? And... I read the (late, la!) post about my la's being annoying... well, la, you get to live with it, la... because, la, I am starting to type 'la' more and more frequently, la!!! Gr...
New Obbhlia
24-08-2004, 21:37
Hmm, I began to realise WHY US has so much better economy than Sweden...:P
Mew Mew Sweetie
24-08-2004, 21:37
La, so the U.S isn't such a big help, la? Ma-ma, and then there's my mother who has gotten so high on the U.S being sooo the best... *sigh* la.
Seosavists
24-08-2004, 21:38
La! Guess who has returned, la? And... I read the (late, la!) post about my la's being annoying... well, la, you get to live with it, la... because, la, I am starting to type 'la' more and more frequently, la!!! Gr...
LA? la whats La all this la about la 'la' la?
New Obbhlia
24-08-2004, 21:38
La! Guess who has returned, la? And... I read the (late, la!) post about my la's being annoying... well, la, you get to live with it, la... because, la, I am starting to type 'la' more and more frequently, la!!! Gr...

SHUT UP! Really, You have got nothing interesting to say, You just fill it out with those "la"s, please leave us alone or beheave, it can't be that hard, right?
Mew Mew Sweetie
24-08-2004, 21:39
*grins* La, it's just something I like to say, la. So you get to live with it, la, no matter how much you hate it, la. *evil grin* La!
Knight Of The Round
24-08-2004, 21:39
Yeah right. And don't forget blues. Thousands of SLAVES started that one.
All poor innocent slaves, drag to america. It was they who built your land, so don't come and say we owe you anything, cause YOU owe others.

The slaves built up the south not the whole of America.
Bunnyducks
24-08-2004, 21:39
Man! I just read the whole thread! It's amazing!
Comments you'd only expect to hear/see in a brain donor conference.
Keep up the good work.
New Obbhlia
24-08-2004, 21:40
*grins* La, it's just something I like to say, la. So you get to live with it, la, no matter how much you hate it, la. *evil grin* La!

I don't care but there seem to be others who do, respect them...
Mew Mew Sweetie
24-08-2004, 21:41
Oh, fye, la. Next you'll start yelling at me because my hair is brown or something, la! Control freak! Gr... geez... there, a un-finished sentence without that 'la'! Happy now? Jeez. I'll TRY to make one post with one la only, but geez, I can type what I want!!
New Obbhlia
24-08-2004, 21:43
Oh, fye, la. Next you'll start yelling at me because my hair is brown or something, la! Control freak! Gr... geez... there, a un-finished sentence without that 'la'! Happy now? Jeez. I'll TRY to make one post with one la only, but geez, I can type what I want!!

Sure You can, and other people can criticise whatever they want, the world gets so much easier from that point of view.
Seosavists
24-08-2004, 21:43
is it some kind of typing form of the hick-ups?
Schrandtopia
24-08-2004, 21:44
The world might be less dependent on American generosity than you think - the Country with the worlds highest GDP is one of the least generous countries...who says so? The CIA of said country...here are some selected ranking for 2003 in Foreign Aid To Developing Nations

[QUOTE=Dizzy Queens]1.
Luxembourg
$352.30 per person

and luxembourg has what? 3,000 people?

2.
Norway
$307.95 per person

they do what they can, but remember, we're only talking about 4 million people

3.
Denmark
$302.72 per person

4.
Netherlands
$216.71 per person

again, apreciated, but those are only what? 12 million people countries

5.
Sweden
$191.48 per person

the nordic race is doing well for itself, but then again, you could fit the whole nordic race inside NY, sweeden's only got 9 million

20.
United States
$23.76 per person


there we go 23.76 x 300,000,000= 7,128,000,000$
New Obbhlia
24-08-2004, 21:44
What happened to the others here, ran out of arguments? I'd like to see something from Knightsattheroundtable or what Your name was...
New Obbhlia
24-08-2004, 21:45
and luxembourg has what? 3,000 people?



they do what they can, but remember, we're only talking about 4 million people



again, apreciated, but those are only what? 12 million people countries



the nordic race is doing well for itself, but then again, you could fit the whole nordic race inside NY, sweeden's only got 9 million



there we go 23.76 x 300,000,000= 7,128,000,000$

But at least we do what we can, US does apperently not...

Edit: Denmarks got about 5 million inhabitants I think...
Mew Mew Sweetie
24-08-2004, 21:45
*laugh* No, it's like my mark or something. So... yeah. *resists urge to type the word in this post* I respect your opinions in my own little ways, and saying/typing that word is my obsession, I even say it in real life! It's more like the way people say 'like' EXAMPLE SENTENCE- I was like, whoa, and he was like, yeah, and we're both like, oooohh shiny! So there. One post without the word.
New Obbhlia
24-08-2004, 21:47
So there. One post without the word.

Nice work!:)
Liverwell
24-08-2004, 21:47
I balive that America is not the Greatest nation due to many things (No public healthcare, guns, to much fast food, no decent education systerm, Bush ect.) I don't think anywhere is the best, but eatehr Italy or New Zealand come close.

On the fat food idea would you rather have us have a government controlled food service making us even more government controlled or communist.
Mew Mew Sweetie
24-08-2004, 21:47
Nice work!:) Uh... can I go back to saying the word now? I think it'll give me some reverse-type of OCD or something... *twitch*
Seosavists
24-08-2004, 21:48
Man! I just read the whole thread! It's amazing!
Comments you'd only expect to hear/see in a brain donor conference.
Keep up the good work.
WOW you managed to read 19 pages of BS. How did you do. was it by telling yourself that some of it must not be crap? what a disappontment that must have been
Mew Mew Sweetie
24-08-2004, 21:48
On the fat food idea would you rather have us have a government controlled food service making us even more government controlled or communist.
Hm... I guess I wouldn't like that...
Tera Nova
24-08-2004, 21:49
America Rules? A Freudian slip perhaps? They are certainly the worlds current foremost purveyer of the "Might Makes Right" Credo

Knightsoftheround I was just in Italy, I wanted to take out a gun and kill someone everytime I saw a "go home Yankee" or "Americans go home" or "tourists leave"

I wonder, did you want to "take out a gun and kill someone" because of the signs, or perhaps were the signs there because these people are tired of all the Americans who want to "Take out a gun and shoot someone" Interesting question to ponder I must say
Mew Mew Sweetie
24-08-2004, 21:50
WOW you managed to read 19 pages of BS. How did you do. was it by telling yourself that some of it must not be crap? what a disappontment that must have been
*laugh* My eyes are brown because I'm full of it, dude. ^_^
New Obbhlia
24-08-2004, 21:50
On the fat food idea would you rather have us have a government controlled food service making us even more government controlled or communist.

Why not? We are discussing that in Sweden right now, people do not seem to eat as they should and therefore cost the society money, therfore extra taxes for fast food and slooped taxes on low-calorie food is the only logical thing to do, even lierals and conservatives like the idea.
Mew Mew Sweetie
24-08-2004, 21:51
Urm, yeah, I'm going to go back to saying la, now, la. Just not as frequently... um, la. *bow* Right. *puts on her glasses*
Mew Mew Sweetie
24-08-2004, 21:54
Why not? We are discussing that in Sweden right now, people do not seem to eat as they should and therefore cost the society money, therfore extra taxes for fast food and slooped taxes on low-calorie food is the only logical thing to do, even lierals and conservatives like the idea.
Low-calorie foods as in... CARROTS, LA?!?! Yum, carrots... and apples. ooh, apples. And peaches, la. Peaches are wonderful... Ooohhh... Low-calorie foods have always been logical, always will be. They're the next step towards... something.
Bunnyducks
24-08-2004, 21:54
WOW you managed to read 19 pages of BS. How did you do. was it by telling yourself that some of it must not be crap? what a disappontment that must have been

LOL
yeah... I thought it must get a lot better.... but no -- solid crap from 1 to 19. I toyed with the idea to actually correct some of the biggest misunderstandings in there... but I'm only human!
Dizzy Queens
24-08-2004, 21:54
Schrandtopia


If you measure the money in terms of a lump pay out then the US gives a large chunk - but if you measure it against the GDP and relative to other nations (as the per capita ratio does) then the number is rather small and can indicate other things - like the commitment a nation has to foreign aid.

Becuase American's are highly nationalistic they tend to think that all money leaving their country is a terrible thing and in some ways unjust - accordingly they imagine a higher dollar value to foreign aid than is often the case. Similarly as some posts here indicate American's seem to think that their grandiosity in the world knows no bounds and cannot be compared. The point is simply that it can be compared and it often comes up less than impressive. The numbers simply illustrate that American's don't shell out more than others in the world of foreign aid - as a ratio of spending they are rather miserly.
Mew Mew Sweetie
24-08-2004, 21:57
Schrandtopia


If you measure the money in terms of a lump pay out then the US gives a large chunk - but if you measure it against the GDP and relative to other nations (as the per capita ratio does) then the number is rather small and can indicate other things - like the commitment a nation has to foreign aid.

Becuase American's are highly nationalistic they tend to think that all money leaving their country is a terrible thing and in some ways unjust - accordingly they imagine a higher dollar value to foreign aid than is often the case. Similarly as some posts here indicate American's seem to think that their grandiosity in the world knows no bounds and cannot be compared. The point is simply that it can be compared and it often comes up less than impressive. The numbers simply illustrate that American's don't shell out more than others in the world of foreign aid - as a ratio of spending they are rather miserly.
I'm American and I'm not like that, la... I think we could stand to loose a lot more money, and that people with more money than others could empty a bit of those wallets, la!
New Obbhlia
24-08-2004, 21:57
Low-calorie foods as in... CARROTS, LA?!?! Yum, carrots... and apples. ooh, apples. And peaches, la. Peaches are wonderful... Ooohhh... Low-calorie foods have always been logical, always will be. They're the next step towards... something.

Something like that, lowed taxes on fruit, potatoes, oat and so on and the raised for fast food, allkinds of snacks and candy.
Mew Mew Sweetie
24-08-2004, 21:59
Awesome, la. I made a vauge statement.... la. So proud of meself, la! *rolls her eyes at herself*
New Obbhlia
24-08-2004, 22:01
Of course not ALL liberals and food company-fat cats liked the ides but many did. We have also had a debate about controlling owerweight by regulate max temperature in houses, 17-18 c and you are actually losing weight(!).
Mew Mew Sweetie
24-08-2004, 22:02
So... let me put in one of my famouse what ifs, la, to get my brain flowing again. What if, la, an American with what we call a 'more than comfortable settlement' was to shell out about 40% of his or her wallet for donations to aids and stuff? How much would that help, la? Although I'm no good at percentages... AH IS THAT A TYPO? A KITTEN IS DEAD! Waah!
Bungles bollocks
24-08-2004, 22:03
The US are sub-human scum who are floating like a peice of worthless dross on the planets surface.

What an achievement:

Bombed 21 countries since 1945

Dropped Atomic Bombs

Cropped chemical weopons in Vietnam - babies are still born deformed in that country

Committed genocide against Native American Indians

Exploits the world so they can feed another generation of obese brain-dead Yanks.

Yep, the whole world hates you for good reasons.
Mew Mew Sweetie
24-08-2004, 22:05
The US are sub-human scum who are floating like a peice of worthless dross on the planets surface.

What an achievement:

Bombed 21 countries since 1945

Dropped Atomic Bombs

Cropped chemical weopons in Vietnam - babies are still born deformed in that country

Committed genocide against Native American Indians

Exploits the world so they can feed another generation of obese brain-dead Yanks.

Yep, the whole world hates you for good reasons.
And you can see quite plainly why I'm packing my bags for Japan the moment I can, la? Not all Americans did that, but the people who did, well, la, I agree, that's pretty scumish. But you don't know all americans, la, and I for one am not like that, will never be like that, and am QUITE disgusted with the people who did it, la!
Kasland
24-08-2004, 22:06
The slaves built up the south not the whole of America.

You do realise that's half of your country. That's quite a large amount.

Just because America's the biggest doesn't mean it's the best.
New Obbhlia
24-08-2004, 22:07
So... let me put in one of my famouse what ifs, la, to get my brain flowing again. What if, la, an American with what we call a 'more than comfortable settlement' was to shell out about 40% of his or her wallet for donations to aids and stuff? How much would that help, la? Although I'm no good at percentages... AH IS THAT A TYPO? A KITTEN IS DEAD! Waah!

You could probably give schools to a whole generation in Africa (with current exchange rate one elementary school year costs about 8-9 US-dollars).

Help a second world country to a first by investing and supporting it's economy

So you name it, practically everything.
Mew Mew Sweetie
24-08-2004, 22:08
Lonchola, Kas! The U.S isn't the best, la! It'll never be the best either, la, it's history is to dirty and disgraceful... *sigh*
Mew Mew Sweetie
24-08-2004, 22:10
You could probably give schools a whole generation in Africa (with current exchange rate one elementary school year costs about 8-9 US-dollars).

Help a second world country to a first.

So you name it, practically everything.
Ah, I see. Let me tell you a story... there was a girl in our school once who's mother was Japanese and I'm not sure about her father. Well, they all- except the daughter, for some reason- spoke perfect English, la, and they had come here to make a living, and I suppose the fact of their English means nothing, la, but whatever. Anyways, they made a fair share of money and went to China, and are now considered rich even though here it's considered middle-upper class. That shows you how much other countries need help, la!
Attican Empire
24-08-2004, 22:11
You do realise that's half of your country. That's quite a large amount.

Just because America's the biggest doesn't mean it's the best.

The South (the former CSA) is approximately 1/3 of the United States,
Attican Empire
24-08-2004, 22:12
Ah, I see. Let me tell you a story... there was a girl in our school once who's mother was Japanese and I'm not sure about her father. Well, they all- except the daughter, for some reason- spoke perfect English, la, and they had come here to make a living, and I suppose the fact of their English means nothing, la, but whatever. Anyways, they made a fair share of money and went to China, and are now considered rich even though here it's considered middle-upper class. That shows you how much other countries need help, la!

You can't be rich in China.
Seosavists
24-08-2004, 22:13
How come this topic has gone to 20 pages and people still think this topic is worth even argueing in obviously the americans that believe that their country is the best are idiots and will never admit that other countries are better than them. We can only hope that they dont learn how to reproduce and the sane people in america will not have their country's reputation ruined by the idiots in the future.
Mew Mew Sweetie
24-08-2004, 22:13
La, at least that's what the girls friend, also my friend, told me. That the money they made in the U.S they took with them and have a bunch of stuff that even people in America would kill to have because everything is cheap there but only because people don't make as much money...
New Obbhlia
24-08-2004, 22:14
Ah, I see. Let me tell you a story... there was a girl in our school once who's mother was Japanese and I'm not sure about her father. Well, they all- except the daughter, for some reason- spoke perfect English, la, and they had come here to make a living, and I suppose the fact of their English means nothing, la, but whatever. Anyways, they made a fair share of money and went to China, and are now considered rich even though here it's considered middle-upper class. That shows you how much other countries need help, la!

There is one guy in my school who lived on the Philippines until a year ago, there his family lived in a palace and had servants and everything, here they can barely afford to live in Stockholm city, gives you a bit of perspective, eh?
Kasland
24-08-2004, 22:15
The South (the former CSA) is approximately 1/3 of the United States,

Okay, I'm not an expert on American geography and history and such like. But still a third that's quite a considerable amount.
Attican Empire
24-08-2004, 22:16
Well, I am not saying that the United States is the greatest country in the world, but from ~1910 to now, it is and has been the most powerful. The only nations in that time period that have attempted to challenge that have been the German Empire, Nazi Germany, and the Soviet Union. They did not succeed.

Also, the difference between North and South is like the difference between Germany and Austria... except they happen to be the same nation.
Mew Mew Sweetie
24-08-2004, 22:17
There is one guy in my school who lived on the Philippines until a year ago, there his family lived in a palace and had servants and everything, here they can barely afford to live in Stockholm city, gives you a bit of perspective, eh?
Yes, la! That's sort of sad, la. I feel bad for him... and sort of angry for people not donating to immagrints and stuff, la... is he... um what do you call the people who are forced to move here? La, I read an article about them once...
New Obbhlia
24-08-2004, 22:19
Okay, I'm not an expert on American geography and history and such like. But still a third that's quite a considerable amount.

And Imagine what the southern states must have been during the times we are talking about, how many states were there during the war? Not 50, I am quite sure on that one. :)
Saumurland
24-08-2004, 22:19
You guys should visit us up north in THE best place to live wich is Montréal, (Québec)

We've got IMO; the best city to live in, the best Club scene in North America, greatest looking babes in NA, great food, great cultural scene, universal health care, 4 seasons, open minded people, almost decriminalized pot, drinkable water, (we take care of our environement) etc...

Compare to the States, we have ;

almost no violent crime, crime itself, no violence, xenophobe, walls, no religious freaks, no National month of Terrorism, more than 2 parties to choose from in elections, no propaganda from our news/governement, no oil industries / any big corporation that owns the balls of our politician and their agenda, no terrorist, CIA, and so own and so forth......

No history of ; slavery, barbarians, genocide, war, persecution, preamptive war, massacre etc...

Come to think of it, you americans should stay down where you are or go to english Canada...

ciao

saumure

P.S. Sorry for my spelling, english is my second language
Seosavists
24-08-2004, 22:19
You can't be rich in China.
You can be rich in Hong Kong
Mew Mew Sweetie
24-08-2004, 22:20
Well, I am not saying that the United States is the greatest country in the world, but from ~1910 to now, it is and has been the most powerful. The only nations in that time period that have attempted to challenge that have been the German Empire, Nazi Germany, and the Soviet Union. They did not succeed.

Also, the difference between North and South is like the difference between Germany and Austria... except they happen to be the same nation.
But it will not always be the most powerful if it is. I suspect we'll lose that title in 40-60 years... if we keep letting idiots and rednecks run the place.
New Obbhlia
24-08-2004, 22:21
Yes, la! That's sort of sad, la. I feel bad for him...

I don't think that there is any reason for that, at least in Sweden the best apartments are in the citys, not suburbs.
Mew Mew Sweetie
24-08-2004, 22:22
You guys should visit us up north in THE best place to live wich is Montréal, (Québec)

We've got IMO; the best city to live in, the best Club scene in North America, greatest looking babes in NA, great food, great cultural scene, universal health care, 4 seasons, open minded people, almost decriminalized pot, drinkable water, (we take care of our environement) etc...

Compare to the States, we have ;

almost no violent crime, crime itself, no violence, xenophobe, walls, no religious freaks, no National month of Terrorism, more than 2 parties to choose from in elections, no propaganda from our news/governement, no oil industries / any big corporation that owns the balls of our politician and their agenda, no terrorist, CIA, and so own and so forth......

No history of ; slavery, barbarians, genocide, war, persecution, preamptive war, massacre etc...

Come to think of it, you americans should stay down where you are or go to english Canada...

ciao

saumure

P.S. Sorry for my spelling, i'm a francophone
That does sound like quite the place to live in, and I agree, it sounds MUCH MUCH better than the U.S, which used to be a good place until idiots realized bombs can make people fear you. Which they thought was respect, but it's not, la! But I am not staying in America, la! NO WAY IM GOING TO JAPAN, LA!
Attican Empire
24-08-2004, 22:22
And Imagine what the southern states must have been during the times we are talking about, how many states were there during the war? Not 50, I am quite sure on that one. :)

I am fairly confident that there were not 50 states just prior to the war, either. We still had only 48 states in the early 1950's.
Attican Empire
24-08-2004, 22:23
You guys should visit us up north in THE best place to live wich is Montréal, (Québec)

We've got IMO; the best city to live in, the best Club scene in North America, greatest looking babes in NA, great food, great cultural scene, universal health care, 4 seasons, open minded people, almost decriminalized pot, drinkable water, (we take care of our environement) etc...

Compare to the States, we have ;

almost no violent crime, crime itself, no violence, xenophobe, walls, no religious freaks, no National month of Terrorism, more than 2 parties to choose from in elections, no propaganda from our news/governement, no oil industries / any big corporation that owns the balls of our politician and their agenda, no terrorist, CIA, and so own and so forth......

No history of ; slavery, barbarians, genocide, war, persecution, preamptive war, massacre etc...

Come to think of it, you americans should stay down where you are or go to english Canada...

ciao

saumure

P.S. Sorry for my spelling, i'm a francophone

To quote Triumph the Insult Comic Dog
"You're in North America, learn the language!"
Mew Mew Sweetie
24-08-2004, 22:23
You can be rich in Hong Kong
Well, Alexa (The girl who told me), always has been a little off with quoting. Maybe she meant Hong Kong? Oh well. I know they went to Virginia to visit relatives in July...
New Obbhlia
24-08-2004, 22:24
No history of ; slavery, barbarians, genocide, war, persecution, preamptive war, massacre etc...


If one doesn't count the Indians of course...
Mew Mew Sweetie
24-08-2004, 22:25
To quote Triumph the Insult Comic Dog
"You're in North America, learn the language!"
That's just wrong. Do you expect them to magically learn the language the moment someone says 'LEARN ENGLISH?' English is one of the hardest languages in the WORLD to learn, and takes a few YEARS to master. Gawd that gets me angry, la! And in North America, people also speak Spanish (Mexico, the likes) SO HAHAHAHA!!!
Attican Empire
24-08-2004, 22:26
That does sound like quite the place to live in, and I agree, it sounds MUCH MUCH better than the U.S, which used to be a good place until idiots realized bombs can make people fear you. Which they thought was respect, but it's not, la! But I am not staying in America, la! NO WAY IM GOING TO JAPAN, LA!

Where you will be an outcast, forced to learn a language that is nothing like the one you were raised with, forced to be able to read, write, and understand Japanese Heiroglyphs, et cetera.
New Obbhlia
24-08-2004, 22:26
SHIT! I have got school tomorrow, well cya.
Mew Mew Sweetie
24-08-2004, 22:27
PLUS in Canada tons and tons of people speak French because it's the NATIVE language there, and considered more than normal to speak, and write French better than English! Get a GRIP, man!
Seosavists
24-08-2004, 22:27
Hong Kong is in China but has a different system. http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/hk.html
Attican Empire
24-08-2004, 22:28
That's just wrong. Do you expect them to magically learn the language the moment someone says 'LEARN ENGLISH?' English is one of the hardest languages in the WORLD to learn, and takes a few YEARS to master. Gawd that gets me angry, la! And in North America, people also speak Spanish (Mexico, the likes) SO HAHAHAHA!!!

Seeing as Quebec/Montreal has been part of Canada for almost 100 years, which was and technically still is a British Commonwealth, I would think they would have learned English.

Also, I do not consider Mexico a part of North America. It is better placed in Central America... not physically of course, only on basis of culture.

Also, I guarantee you the native language of Canada is NOT French. It is Iroqouis, et cetera. French is the native language of.... France.
Mew Mew Sweetie
24-08-2004, 22:29
Where you will be an outcast, forced to learn a language that is nothing like the one you were raised with, forced to be able to read, write, and understand Japanese Heiroglyphs, et cetera.
No one said I was forcing myself to learn the language, la. I'm already learning it, la. Outcast...? Hmm... yeah, then how did other Americans get by in Japan, eh? *cough* They weren't outcasts, apparently. Actually, a lot of British people go to Japan and live there, and they weren't treated as outcasts... hm, what does that tell you? Plus they're nice enough to open schools for the English, America, etc.
Mew Mew Sweetie
24-08-2004, 22:30
Seeing as Quebec/Montreal has been part of Canada for almost 100 years, which was and technically still is a British Commonwealth, I would think they would have learned English.

Also, I do not consider Mexico a part of North America. It is better placed in Central America... not physically of course, only on basis of culture.

Also, I guarantee you the native language of Canada is NOT French. It is Iroqouis, et cetera. French is the native language of.... France.
La, did I say native? *blush* Whoops. But, yeah, more people speak French there than here, so it's considered fine.
Attican Empire
24-08-2004, 22:30
Plus, why would you want to move to Japan, unless you have Japanese Heritage? Europe, IMO, would be a better place, such as the UK or Germany. Japan, IMO, is still a far too new nation to live in... only having been modernized since the end of the 19th century.
Seosavists
24-08-2004, 22:37
Plus, why would you want to move to Japan, unless you have Japanese Heritage? Europe, IMO, would be a better place, such as the UK or Germany. Japan, IMO, is still a far too new nation to live in... only having been modernized since the end of the 19th century.
So WHAT Japan is a great country why do you care oh no they speak a different language and have a different culture Thats one of the reasons to go there. Have fun staying in english speaking countries all your life and finally
DU BIST DUMM
TU ES STUPIDE and
IS AMADÁN TÚ
Attican Empire
24-08-2004, 22:38
Deutschland ist nicht ein Englischsprachigreich...
Seosavists
24-08-2004, 22:40
Deutschland ist nicht ein Englischsprachigreich...
Ja!
Just noticed you said germany after posted O_o
Opal Isle
24-08-2004, 22:40
Plus, why would you want to move to Japan, unless you have Japanese Heritage? Europe, IMO, would be a better place, such as the UK or Germany. Japan, IMO, is still a far too new nation to live in... only having been modernized since the end of the 19th century.
So does that make my Grandpa too new of a person since he just got a computer and the internet less than a year ago?
Attican Empire
24-08-2004, 22:41
:) I didn't say I don't like Japan because of it's culture and language. I wouldn't want to LIVE there because of that (I don't know either), but I could adapt more readily and easily to European culture.... except for Spain and Italy (Atheists not welcome.), nor Austria (I've heard bad things about it.... from Germans.)
Attican Empire
24-08-2004, 22:42
So does that make my Grandpa too new of a person since he just got a computer and the internet less than a year ago?

That is a very very bad correlation.
Opal Isle
24-08-2004, 22:44
That is a very very bad correlation.
You said Japan is too new because they only modernized in the 19th century.
My grandpa just modernized less than a year ago, but he's really old. Japan is a REALLY old country.
Seosavists
24-08-2004, 22:46
Yes your grandpa is to new to live in :p
Attican Empire
24-08-2004, 22:47
You said Japan is too new because they only modernized in the 19th century.
My grandpa just modernized less than a year ago, but he's really old. Japan is a REALLY old country.

Japan has only been a nation for a little over 100 years... before that it was many smaller nations that happened to exist on the Japanese Isles.

Germany, on the other hand, has been unified before.... the Holy Roman Empire... for over 1000 years.
Opal Isle
24-08-2004, 22:49
Germany? No it hasn't...
Germany wasn't Germany until the German speaking nations were united under (can't remember the dudes name) in the early to mid 19th century...
Saumurland
24-08-2004, 22:50
From Attican Empire:

To quote Triumph the Insult Comic Dog
"You're in North America, learn the language!"

And why not add a <<speak white>>, or <<speak american>> and or <<speak christian>>.

I'm glad that up in Québec we are 85 % francophone and we have only one official language which is FRENCH.

But, since we are not narrow-minded, we also learn english and sometime a third language. (Makes our voyage alot nicer in the world)
Attican Empire
24-08-2004, 22:53
Germany? No it hasn't...
Germany wasn't Germany until the German speaking nations were united under (can't remember the dudes name) in the early to mid 19th century...

Germany was the Holy Roman Empire until the Napoleonic Wars, at which point it divided into about 20 Germanic kingdoms. Bismarck united the Empire under the Kaiser in 1871, after the Franco-Prussian War of 1870-71. Any questions?
Attican Empire
24-08-2004, 22:54
From Attican Empire:

To quote Triumph the Insult Comic Dog
"You're in North America, learn the language!"

And why not add a <<speak white>>, or <<speak american>> and or <<speak christian>>.

I'm glad that up in Québec we are 85 % francophone and we have only one official language which is FRENCH.

But, since we are not narrow-minded, we also learn english and sometime a third language. (Makes our voyage alot nicer in the world)

Quebec does not have an official language, since it is not a COUNTRY. It is a PROVINCE OF CANADA, which has two official languages: ENGLISH and FRENCH. Get your own national politics right.
Esprit-Ouvert
24-08-2004, 22:55
All I have to say is that America is rooted in insecurity, war and exploitation. The doctrine of Manifest Destiny is ingrained in the nation's history. Time and time again, since the America Revolution the USA has tried its best to push its social/economic/political ideals on other nations. And maybe not with bad intentions, but certainly with ignorance of those opposite their magnificent democracy.
It started with the Aboriginal nations when the "frontiersmen" moved westward, it was Cuba after the war with Spain in 1898, it was Hawaii later, it is Iraq and Afghanistan now. America is not the greatest nation in the world, it is the most powerful and one of the most feared because of its history and military.
The greatest nations are those which foster mutual respect, understanding, love, and community to a large extent. Canada is no great nation either (I am from Canada by the way)...its history is full of humanitarian attrocities as well, one just has to dig deeper in the Canadian case...read between the lines.
Mew Mew Sweetie
24-08-2004, 22:57
I had to do something, but Im' back now. *tears of joy* I'm so happy to see people defending Japan... in a way, la! *tears of anger* But SOME peole... Grr... Well, I think more people speak french because they're decendents of the people from France who went out there to discover new places and water routes, y'know? That's probably wrong but, yeah, wtf.
Attican Empire
24-08-2004, 22:57
All I have to say is that America is rooted in insecurity, war and exploitation. The doctrine of Manifest Destiny is ingrained in the nation's history. Time and time again, since the America Revolution the USA has tried its best to push its social/economic/political ideals on other nations. And maybe not with bad intentions, but certainly with ignorance of those opposite their magnificent democracy.
It started with the Aboriginal nations when the "frontiersmen" moved westward, it was Cuba after the war with Spain in 1898, it was Hawaii later, it is Iraq and Afghanistan now. America is not the greatest nation in the world, it is the most powerful and one of the most feared because of its history and military.
The greatest nations are those which foster mutual respect, understanding, love, and community to a large extent. Canada is no great nation either (I am from Canada by the way)...its history is full of humanitarian attrocities as well, one just has to dig deeper in the Canadian case...read between the lines.

Hawaii happened prior to, not after, the Spanish-American War...
Revolutionsz
24-08-2004, 22:57
...And one thing. Italy, Spain, England, Philipines, South Korea, Japan and many more. Are all in this war with us we are trend setters, you are followers, we are up here, you are down there.your list is getting shorter...
Esprit-Ouvert
24-08-2004, 22:57
Quebec does not have an official language, since it is not a COUNTRY. It is a PROVINCE OF CANADA, which has two official languages: ENGLISH and FRENCH. Get your own national politics right.

Sovereigntists would certainly disagree with you.
It may be a Province under the Canadian federation, but to a Quebecois sovereigntist, is is none other than the nation of Quebec...still very much in an ongoing struggle for independence from an authoritarian Canadian state and cultural identity. Its all a matter of perspective.
French Camp
24-08-2004, 22:58
Yeah right. And don't forget blues. Thousands of SLAVES started that one.
All poor innocent slaves, drag to america. It was they who built your land, so don't come and say we owe you anything, cause YOU owe others.

I think if you read your history books, the Portuguese were the first if not one of the first to traffic in slaves, most if not all were brought to the Americas by Europeans, who were all sold to them by their OWN people. As far as building "your land" what about the Chinese and the Mexicans who were here on there own free will, then again there were not many slaves if any in the west, so who built that.
Esprit-Ouvert
24-08-2004, 22:59
Hawaii happened prior to, not after, the Spanish-American War...

Well, with dates gone wonky. The point is nonetheless valid. lol.

From my understanding, Hawaii became a s

The sp-am war was essentially in effect from before May 1898 - December/early 1899...and Hawaii became a territory in July of 1898...so its debatable when things start and finish.
Attican Empire
24-08-2004, 23:00
Sovereigntists would certainly disagree with you.
It may be a Province under the Canadian federation, but to a Quebecois sovereigntist, is is none other than the nation of Quebec...still very much in an ongoing struggle for independence from an authoritarian Canadian state and cultural identity. Its all a matter of perspective.

You are not a nation until you have declared your independence. Go ahead, do it... you would be crushed by a Canado-American military... neither wants to see you be independent.
Mew Mew Sweetie
24-08-2004, 23:00
Why can't we just drop that subject and accept the fact that America and Europe sort of pushed against eachother in the slavery 'trend' and 'trade'? Hm. I stopped typing la all the sudden. Whee I'm proud of myself...
French Camp
24-08-2004, 23:01
All I have to say is that America is rooted in insecurity, war and exploitation. The doctrine of Manifest Destiny is ingrained in the nation's history. Time and time again, since the America Revolution the USA has tried its best to push its social/economic/political ideals on other nations. And maybe not with bad intentions, but certainly with ignorance of those opposite their magnificent democracy.
It started with the Aboriginal nations when the "frontiersmen" moved westward, it was Cuba after the war with Spain in 1898, it was Hawaii later, it is Iraq and Afghanistan now. America is not the greatest nation in the world, it is the most powerful and one of the most feared because of its history and military.
The greatest nations are those which foster mutual respect, understanding, love, and community to a large extent. Canada is no great nation either (I am from Canada by the way)...its history is full of humanitarian attrocities as well, one just has to dig deeper in the Canadian case...read between the lines.

What about a little man named "HILTER"....another non American war monger, if you read these posts one would think that could never happen.
Seosavists
24-08-2004, 23:04
What about a little man named "HILTER"....another non American war monger, if you read these posts one would think that could never happen.
Its very unlightly to happen again in Europe
Mew Mew Sweetie
24-08-2004, 23:04
America just went sour... it's sort of a pity. America used to be the best place around, but due to the 'trends' in fast food, drugs, beer, expensive things (less money to donate, la. *sniff*), non-gays, Christian-and-only-Christian, favoring of races (racism, SP), etc., it's crumbling before me.
Opal Isle
24-08-2004, 23:08
Germany was the Holy Roman Empire until the Napoleonic Wars, at which point it divided into about 20 Germanic kingdoms. Bismarck united the Empire under the Kaiser in 1871, after the Franco-Prussian War of 1870-71. Any questions?
The Holy Roman Empire wasn't just Germany...and it wasn't even primarily German. I'm not saying the Germans didn't make a large chunk of the Holy Roman Empire, but seriously...nationalism pretty much hit the whole world at the same time and Japan became a united nation about the same time Germany did (I don't mean a member of the UN either).
Esprit-Ouvert
24-08-2004, 23:08
You are not a nation until you have declared your independence. Go ahead, do it... you would be crushed by a Canado-American military... neither wants to see you be independent.


Nonsense. A nation is a group of people with common culture, identity etc. Such as the First Nations. And regardless of whether they want it or not, the possibility is still there. Do you think if Quebec became sovereign an "Canado-American" military would attack? Be serious. This would be undoubtedly a peaceful and diplomatic affair if it were to become fact. (of course the FLQ crisis shows that violent radicals can pop up anywhere).
Mew Mew Sweetie
24-08-2004, 23:09
The Holy Roman Empire wasn't just Germany...and it wasn't even primarily German. I'm not saying the Germans didn't make a large chunk of the Holy Roman Empire, but seriously...nationalism pretty much hit the whole world at the same time and Japan became a united nation about the same time Germany did (I don't mean a member of the UN either).
Wasn't the Holy Roman Empire a bunch of places that were considered part of it? Oh man I need to read my books more...
Esprit-Ouvert
24-08-2004, 23:10
What about a little man named "HILTER"....another non American war monger, if you read these posts one would think that could never happen.

what do you mean?
Mew Mew Sweetie
24-08-2004, 23:11
Nonsense. A nation is a group of people with common culture, identity etc. Such as the First Nations. And regardless of whether they want it or not, the possibility is still there. Do you think if Quebec became sovereign an "Canado-American" military would attack? Be serious. This would be undoubtedly a peaceful and diplomatic affair if it were to become fact. (of course the FLQ crisis shows that violent radicals can pop up anywhere).
La, but if any place became independent, someone would throw a fit and say you can't for various reasons, however stupid they are. I suppose Bush would throw some fit and have his feelings that no one can become independent anymore because it's to late or whatever his crap is.
Mew Mew Sweetie
24-08-2004, 23:15
It's been fun here, but now I have to go on my Neopets account, check my Nation-states issues and telegrams, then Zeta, then Kiro... *sigh* It's a busy world, la.
_Susa_
24-08-2004, 23:15
Why would anyone disagree? They couldnt go too far anyway, America is the best country, my ancestors lived here since the begining, 1630, it was like the first boat after the Mayflower! Europe had their chance to overpass us, or to crush us when we were new, now there jealous. They are all jealous of our amazing power economy, and influence on the rest of the world. And our patriotism. Go America! USA USA USA USA USA USA!
USA! USA! we rock man!
Attican Empire
24-08-2004, 23:15
The Holy Roman Empire wasn't just Germany...and it wasn't even primarily German. I'm not saying the Germans didn't make a large chunk of the Holy Roman Empire, but seriously...nationalism pretty much hit the whole world at the same time and Japan became a united nation about the same time Germany did (I don't mean a member of the UN either).

The Holy Roman Emperor was also always known as the King of the Germans. The full name was Heiliges Römisches Reich deutscher Nation, or the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation. Also, the United Nations weren't around in 1871... the UN was founded in 1945...
Opal Isle
24-08-2004, 23:16
Wasn't the Holy Roman Empire a bunch of places that were considered part of it? Oh man I need to read my books more...
In the same sense that the United States of America are a bunch of places that are considered one nation. There was a single emporor who ruled over them all though (Charlemagne, a Frank, not a German).
Mew Mew Sweetie
24-08-2004, 23:16
USA! USA! we rock man!
*coughs before she goes* That was a looong time ago.
Attican Empire
24-08-2004, 23:17
In the same sense that the United States of America are a bunch of places that are considered one nation. There was a single emporor who ruled over them all though (Charlemagne, a Frank, not a German).

Charlemagne (or Karl der Grosse) was never emperor of the Holy Roman Empire. He was emperor of the Frankish Empire, which, after his death, split up into the Frankish Kingdom and the Holy Roman Empire. Ever hear of Barbarossa?

Also, the Franks were a Germanic tribe.
Opal Isle
24-08-2004, 23:17
The Holy Roman Emperor was also always known as the King of the Germans. The full name was Heiliges Römisches Reich deutscher Nation, or the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation. Also, the United Nations weren't around in 1871... the UN was founded in 1945...
You can't read. I said I'm not talking about the UN. I was talking about a united nation...without an S. When all the Germanic nations came together, they became one united nation known as Germany. Same thing goes for Japan. It happened around the same time period. The Holy Roman Empire was not Germany.
Esprit-Ouvert
24-08-2004, 23:17
Oh there would be debate for sure. There was during both Quebec referendums on sovereignty-association. There should be debate.

But, if separation happens in Canada, miliatry influence is possible if the heat is turned up like the FLQ catastrophe or the Oka crisis. Many Canadian intra-national issues of nationality have been settled peacefully...such as the Nisga'a Final Agreement, or the Nunavut agreement. If no toes or open wounds are stepped on and there is mutual respect, issues of sovereignty can be dealt with quite well.
Opal Isle
24-08-2004, 23:19
Also, the Franks were a Germanic tribe.
Which became France, which makes them not Germany. The Angles were a Germanic tribe too, but they became England, which makes them not Germany.
Attican Empire
24-08-2004, 23:21
Which became France, which makes them not Germany. The Angles were a Germanic tribe too, but they became England, which makes them not Germany.

That doesn't change the fact that Charlemagne was not the emperor of the Holy Roman Empire. When the Frankish Empire broke up, it created:

THE FRANKISH KINGDOM (France)
THE HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE (Mainly Germany, parts of italy, austria, hungary, netherlands, et cetera)

The Holy Roman Empire, while not being Germany, included Germany in it. It was also led by, guess what, a German monarch.
Attican Empire
24-08-2004, 23:24
http://xenohistorian.faithweb.com/worldhis/map22.gif
Dacowookies
24-08-2004, 23:26
how can a sophisticated europe, with thousands of years of history be jealous of the us....burgers, war, shit shit shit shit
Opal Isle
24-08-2004, 23:26
That doesn't change the fact that Charlemagne was not the emperor of the Holy Roman Empire. When the Frankish Empire broke up, it created:

THE FRANKISH KINGDOM (France)
THE HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE (Mainly Germany, parts of italy, austria, hungary, netherlands, et cetera)

The Holy Roman Empire, while not being Germany, included Germany in it. It was also led by, guess what, a German monarch.
Hmm. I still don't consider Germany older than Japan as a nation. It's hard to have a nation before there is nationalism. And Germany was late to the game of Nationalism.
Attican Empire
24-08-2004, 23:27
Hmm. I still don't consider Germany older than Japan as a nation. It's hard to have a nation before there is nationalism. And Germany was late to the game of Nationalism.

Dunno, the Hebrews in Judea were quite nationalistic, rising up against the Romans again and again.... same as the Germanic Tribes....
Compuq
24-08-2004, 23:30
You can't be rich in China.

Yea you can, China is capitialist now
Opal Isle
24-08-2004, 23:30
The Holy Roman Empire isn't nationalism and the individual Germanic tribes weren't united until, as you pointed out, 1871.
Nematodates
24-08-2004, 23:30
Quote: Mew Mew Sweetie
"PLUS in Canada tons and tons of people speak French because it's the NATIVE language there, and considered more than normal to speak, and write French better than English! Get a GRIP, man!"

Sweetie, I would definitely not go as far as saying tons and tons of people speak French. More people here in Canada speak English than French. And no we are not expected to write nor speak French better than English. Some people are bilingual but the dominant language here is English. Quebec is the province that is predominantly French. But the rest of Canada is predominantly English.
Opal Isle
24-08-2004, 23:31
French is not a native language anywhere on either America.
Seosavists
24-08-2004, 23:34
Yea you can, China is capitialist now
Huh ahh checks net Huh America is Communist damn stupid parrel dimension.
Sireriously though What are you talking about? :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:
Seosavists
24-08-2004, 23:35
French is not a native language anywhere on either America.
English is not a native language in any of the americas either
Opal Isle
24-08-2004, 23:36
Eh...China is in transition. The communist dictators and people at the top know that they are going to lose power if they keep communism in place so they are transitioning to the top of a capitalistic economic set up.
Opal Isle
24-08-2004, 23:37
English is not a native language in any of the americas either
I didn't say it was. I was merely correcting the person that claimed French was a native language in Canada, heh, because by that token, Russian is native in Alaska, the Northwestern Territory, Washington, Oregon, northern California and Spanish is native in most of the southern United States. And in fact, French is native pretty much through out the Mid Western states...
French Camp
24-08-2004, 23:39
Its very unlightly to happen again in Europe

But it already has... Just look at the news... until we can find away to get along and live in peace.
French Camp
24-08-2004, 23:44
I didn't say it was. I was merely correcting the person that claimed French was a native language in Canada, heh, because by that token, Russian is native in Alaska, the Northwestern Territory, Washington, Oregon, northern California and Spanish is native in most of the southern United States. And in fact, French is native pretty much through out the Mid Western states...

Not native maybe more affluent in some places than others. The USA does not have one native language but many, there were many different Native American tribes they spoke all different languages.
Opal Isle
24-08-2004, 23:44
None of those languages were French, English, Russian, or Spanish though. ;)
Seosavists
24-08-2004, 23:47
But it already has... Just look at the news... until we can find away to get along and live in peace.
Another Hitler? In europe?
Kevlanakia
24-08-2004, 23:53
I don't see what all the fuzz is about.

From what I've seen and heard from friends and random internet Europeans, (who all taken together make up a very small fraction of the total population in Europe, I'll admit,) I've gotten the distinct impression that alot of European anti-Americanism is derived from the fact that we Europeans hate the thought of some other part of the world being the Top Dog. At least, that's how I feel about the US. Don't get me wrong, though. We may be criticizing (at least partially) because we want back on top, but that doesn't mean we're wrong. -At least not all of the time. The US- as the rest of the world- have major issues. And you may argue as much as you want about how you're a large nation, which makes it harder to reach the sort of social security found in Scandinavia (I'm Norwegian. When it comes to Norway or Scandinavia, I'm as arrogant and condescending as any citizen of the US.)
But you also have just about the greatest economy in the world. And the supremely largest military budget. I'm sure it would be possible to allocate more money to fighting poverty and social injustice.

But I digress. In my opinion, the US is no different from any other country or interest group in the world. One always seeks to improve one's own conditions and this is more often than not done at the expense of others.

By the way, I would like to add that no matter what the Swedes and the Danes might tell you, Norway is the ultimate country. Just look at our fjords! How could a country with so many fjords possibly be anything but the ultimate country? Also, the Danes and Swedes are jealous of our dashing good looks.
HadesRulesMuch
24-08-2004, 23:59
how can a sophisticated europe, with thousands of years of history be jealous of the us....burgers, war, shit shit shit shit

Yea, right. After all, hamburgers, and frankfurters, sound like they were made in America don't they? (hamburgers and hot dogs) Thousands of years of history?
War war war, communism, fascism, you guys are doing great. I can same the same about Europe that you can about America. Don't be an ass.
Seosavists
24-08-2004, 23:59
Americas OK but its not the best
HadesRulesMuch
25-08-2004, 00:00
I don't see what all the fuzz is about.

From what I've seen and heard from friends and random internet Europeans, (who all taken together make up a very small fraction of the total population in Europe, I'll admit,) I've gotten the distinct impression that alot of European anti-Americanism is derived from the fact that we Europeans hate the thought of some other part of the world being the Top Dog. At least, that's how I feel about the US. Don't get me wrong, though. We may be criticizing (at least partially) because we want back on top, but that doesn't mean we're wrong. -At least not all of the time. The US- as the rest of the world- have major issues. And you may argue as much as you want about how you're a large nation, which makes it harder to reach the sort of social security found in Scandinavia (I'm Norwegian. When it comes to Norway or Scandinavia, I'm as arrogant and condescending as any citizen of the US.)
But you also have just about the greatest economy in the world. And the supremely largest military budget. I'm sure it would be possible to allocate more money to fighting poverty and social injustice.

But I digress. In my opinion, the US is no different from any other country or interest group in the world. One always seeks to improve one's own conditions and this is more often than not done at the expense of others.

By the way, I would like to add that no matter what the Swedes and the Danes might tell you, Norway is the ultimate country. Just look at our fjords! How could a country with so many fjords possibly be anything but the ultimate country? Also, the Danes and Swedes are jealous of our dashing good looks.

Go stick your finger in a dike.
Seosavists
25-08-2004, 00:05
Yea, right. After all, hamburgers, and frankfurters, sound like they were made in America don't they? (hamburgers and hot dogs)
Thanks you just reminded me of a reason US isnt the best The food europe and asia ROCK at food what food does america have thats better than say italian food. And still we're thiner than Americans (based on averages)
Ps Pretty sure hamburgers have nothing to do with hamburg not sure about frankfurters.
Kevlanakia
25-08-2004, 00:05
Go stick your finger in a dike.

A dike? That's Dutch people you're thinking of there, I think.
Opal Isle
25-08-2004, 00:07
Thanks you just reminded me of a reason US isnt the best The food europe and asia ROCK at food what food does america have thats better than say italian food. And still we're thiner than Americans (based on averages)
Ps Pretty sure hamburgers have nothing to do with hamburg not sure about frankfurters.
Hamburgers and Frankfurters are German foods. There is no "American" food. All "American" foods are simply Americanized versions of other foods. Unless you count popcorn as an American food becuase the native Americans figured that one out...
Seosavists
25-08-2004, 00:08
A dike? That's Dutch people you're thinking of there, I think.
LOL you're right hes wrong he just made himself look stupid wow that looked easy
Glinde Nessroe
25-08-2004, 00:09
America, the egotistical country. The making of this thread is a reflection of how sad your people can be. Your country is all things an extremist would adore. Your country has good and bad people in it, it is the best, and it is the utmost worst. Your country is reflected only by the thoughts of others, a writer can't decide he is the best writer until someone agree's, you will never have me agree with your statement, but I am not as pig headed as you to say you can't be proud. Be proud, don't be an ignorant prick.
Bunnyducks
25-08-2004, 00:10
Well... technically french fries is American food then... potato wasn't known in the 'old world'.
Seosavists
25-08-2004, 00:16
Hamburgers and Frankfurters are German foods. There is no "American" food. All "American" foods are simply Americanized versions of other foods. Unless you count popcorn as an American food becuase the native Americans figured that one out...
The name Hamburger comes from hamburg http://www.foodvenue.com/content/features/f020006_hamburger.asp but anyway European foods taste better in the countries they come from like Italian the best place in the world to get italian food is in Italy so EUROPE WINS YAY
Best place to get Asian food is asia so Asia draws YAY
I am Satan
25-08-2004, 00:20
The name Hamburger comes from hamburg http://www.foodvenue.com/content/features/f020006_hamburger.asp but anyway European foods taste better in the countries they come from like Italian the best place in the world to get italian food is in Italy so EUROPE WINS YAY
Best place to get Asian food is asia so Asia draws YAY

What about the CheeseSteak? Invented in America. My home town Philadelphia to be precise.
I am Satan
25-08-2004, 00:21
oops quoted the wrong thing, hehe
I am Satan
25-08-2004, 00:23
The name Hamburger comes from hamburg http://www.foodvenue.com/content/features/f020006_hamburger.asp but anyway European foods taste better in the countries they come from like Italian the best place in the world to get italian food is in Italy so EUROPE WINS YAY
Best place to get Asian food is asia so Asia draws YAY

Thats not always true, America makesw way better pizza than Italy, all American crust is soft and thick, Italian crust is paper thin they often dont use yeast. But other than that Ill agree with you.
HARDCORE people
25-08-2004, 00:35
Also, personally I do not beleive Dyslexia is a disease, I beleive it is an unwillingness to learn that keeps the child from attempting to learn.

How can you say that!? I know dyslexic people who have genius IQs an are university scholars. You truly are pathetic.

Oh and Britain rules, atleast we are civalized people. America is no more than a shithole full of useless idiots who have such pathetic lives they have to walk around saying how they are superior to us all.

Granted there are some good Americans as there are good and bad in all countries, it just seems all you ever see is the bad.
Globes R Us
25-08-2004, 01:16
I was wondering a few days ago why I don't visit NS as much and enjoy a good debate.

I know now.

America is the best country on the face of the Earth
Europe had their chance to overpass us, or to crush us when we were new, now there jealous. They are all jealous of our amazing power economy, and influence on the rest of the world. And our patriotism. Go America! USA USA USA USA USA USA!

Hell yeah! We rule! I was just in Italy, I wanted to take out a gun and kill someone
we have no culture, except for Jazz, Rap, Rock n 'Roll, Hip-Hop and almost all music after the year 1900 (so leave out classical, who cares) so we started all of music, and they listen to it, its funny how ignorant people can be.

Hey if it wasnt for slavery they would be starving in Africa,

Hey dont get me wrong, I love Italy, not so much the people, unless there nice

England was founded by the Roman Empire Romans built most of England cause its pretty small

I was just saying that England wasnt self built we are trend setters, you are followers, we are up here, you are down there

The Romans did first take Britian from the people living there (Can't rember what there names where, I think it was Picts,) And they increased the size of many of the places there and changed rthere names. But there already was a village/small town on the site of London. The Romans just made it bigger. Also it's generally accepted that thought the Romans where the first to uninise Britian howver it was King Knut (Canute) Who first unionised modern England.

there our proetestors in NYC as we speak. You see, people still Immigrate to America, we still get the worlds most Immigrants, so we cant really be too bad

Italy is a horrible nation

Aye, ya cunts, yae widnae expect tha wid yae?

Bush is temporary, very temporary, and our education is great, at least better than yours


Blind British, thinking THEY are Europe

Then The Normans took over britain. [b]However they did NOT form a new Britian just took it over. Thus my esclusion of them

). So when it does happen (and don't get my wrong I hope there reduced back down to a simple power) (the US)

no, it makes you fat! and the educational thing is a bit questionable...history for example

a lot of people are trying to get out of Europe

i've said mine so now you know what i think. This discussion has no goa

Also, personally I do not beleive Dyslexia is a disease, I beleive it is an unwillingness to learn

Spain and Italy are horrible countries

"England" is the region south of Scotland, and East of Wales. Now, the UNITED KINGDOM is Enland, Scotland & Wales. Are you a geneticist? Then provide me with a Karyotype, and an outline of the gene(s) that produce Dyslexia.

I do not know anything about italys government, but i do hate the nation

The United Kingdom is a nation, Scotland, England, Wales, and Northern Ireland are kingdoms


Only England is a semi-Kingdom, the others are countrys not monarchys

I dont get why They still have a royal family, thats so barbaric, and many English agree with me, they have to give them tax money and they just sit on there ass eating grapes all day

Spains royal family isnt too strong either, they live in a mansion smaller than the white house, my friend told me that


Juan Carlos was trained by Franco, Franco created an ultra-fascist regime for him

Monarchies are one of the few things that bring us europeans above countries such as the US

im still a bit young, and, it has to be said, fanatical. im also an anarchist because im very against the monarchy. im not a full-blown one, against all law and order did i say that bush was great? he's worse than any monarchy, and acts like he dropped out of primary school (or elementary school). and, he also won due to vote tampering, i think

and monarchies like ours are bringing us lower

Anarchist != Liberal.

the US is a stupid country.

No, just get some of the ultra-patriotic guys in the white house, then America will be distroyed.

but, if america fell, and europe was not united neough to take up thier mantle, then what would happen to the world? with no superpowers to suppress them, all sorts of nations would be attacking others.

it wasnt bush at the head of hiroshima, but it must have been someone similar.


Most people dont know why we bombed Hiroshima, Ill tell you, Japan was doing well and we wanted a surrender from them

once war starts, you arnt going to get very without killing

Japan has been free since like... a while, I think since the end of the 18 or 19 century, South Korea is a democrocy... well, yeah, so get your facts straight. America is full of narrow minded people just as it is full of smart people. . Bush was one of the worst presidents this damned place ever had and Kerry is just as bad. I mean, the banning of Gay people? Most Gay people are nice. I mean, I'm not gay or anything, but still... You dumb arze.

and going back to page 3 or whatever, slaves didnt found this country at all, they didnt build any states, they just picked cotton for the southerners

Japan has a bigger population than us

any brits or anti americans continue your fight for a safer non american world

In one of the section-i-forgot-what-they're-called of Japan the population is around 20-40 million... and all of America's population is what? Hm. I need to brush up on my books, don't I,


I like our weapons they keep our children safe which is much more important than other countrys children.

I'd just like to say that all the US needs to do is cut all funding for foreign economic aid for a single week and it'd show the rest of the world the only reason their countries still exis

Then again, i'd rather have freedom,and PICK who "rules" per say, MY land. Unfortunately for Britain, and i still don't know why, but they would rather have one certain family that is supposed to be a "royal"family rule their land time after time again. Actually, there is no "royalness." Can you say, a form of social racism?

America is filled with nothing but obese pigs

La! Guess who has returned, la? And... I read the (late, la!) post about my la's being annoying... well, la, you get to live with it, la... because, la, I am starting to type 'la' more and more frequently, la!!! Gr..

The US are sub-human scum who are floating like a peice of worthless dross on the planets surface.

You can't be rich in China

You're in North America, learn the language



Seeing as Quebec/Montreal has been part of Canada for almost 100 years, which was and technically still is a British Commonwealth, I would think they would have learned English.


Germany, on the other hand, has been unified before.... the Holy Roman Empire... for over 1000 years


Wasn't the Holy Roman Empire a bunch of places that were considered part of it?


USA! USA! we rock man!

Also, the Franks were a Germanic tribe.

Which became France, which makes them not Germany. The Angles were a Germanic tribe too, but they became England, which makes them not Germany

It's hard to have a nation before there is nationalism.

I've gotten the distinct impression that alot of European anti-Americanism is derived from the fact that we Europeans hate the thought of some other part of the world being the Top Dog


Go stick your finger in a dike

America makesw way better pizza than Italy

America is no more than a shithole full of useless idiots who have such pathetic lives
Tommica
25-08-2004, 01:32
Alrighty then.
Nothing is wrong with yelling your country's name is pride. Even i do it.
CANADA! CANADA! CANADA! CANADA! CANADA! CANADA! I LOVE CANADA!
I AM CANADIAN!!!!!! :D
However, what i don't do is bash other countries.
Labelling a country the GREATEST is stupid. Really stupid. America may be the most powerful, the most influencial and the richest, but i would never say it's the greatest.
Is it the cleanest? Yea, right... Is it the safest? Umm.... Other way(So Micheal Moore's propaganda tells us..lol)... Is it the most beautiful? Not at all(I like to think canada's close, but hey).
Best country? There can't be one.
Sincerely,
Icon
P.S.
Since when did the americans come up with rock(at least the good stuff?). Two words. British invasion. Go Pink Floyd!!
Attican Empire
25-08-2004, 01:33
Globes R Us.
What was the point of posting that? Thank you for your useless and utterly noninformational insight.
Globes R Us
25-08-2004, 01:35
Globes R Us.
What was the point of posting that? Thank you for your useless and utterly noninformational insight.

It will be obvious to most. Useless and utterly noninformational is precisely the point.
Yornoc
25-08-2004, 01:50
or not. I'm a proud european.
I don't think any of us is the better, we all just keep showing what we got. Look at this, a brand new weapon! It can kill millions of innocent chidlren, isn't that amazing!!??! The next day, the ameicans come up with something even worse and it goes on. STOP IT THERE, okey?

We don't need another cold war, what we need is peace! And do we get peace with two superpowers competing against eachother? No, we don't.

MORE POWER TO THE UN!!

//btw, i'm from sweden. Anymore swedes who thinking the same? congrats, your normal..

Peace through pathetic apathy and mediocrity isn't really peace. It’s complacent failure!

By the way, those “innocent children” aren’t really innocent when they’re walking into crowded shopping centers with vests made of explosives. And I don’t find you people normal. You’re nominal at best! :sniper:
Compuq
25-08-2004, 02:25
Huh ahh checks net Huh America is Communist damn stupid parrel dimension.
Sireriously though What are you talking about? :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:

Well, The country is still ruled by the communist party. However for the past 20 years , the goverment has liberated the economy so much that now it is a well on the way to be a market economy. The polices of the communist party of china have little to do with communism. They are all about staying in power.

Here are a few links
http://www.time.com/time/asia/covers/1101020923/
http://www.mises.org/fullstory.aspx?control=824&fs=welcome+to+capitalist+china
http://www.freep.com/news/nw/china3_20040303.htm
San Sombrero
25-08-2004, 07:32
Yeah keep in mind that Denmark has a small population making it easy to get free healthcare and free collage and much easier to have a small murder rate, think about it if you have a room with 1000 people and a room with 100 people which room would have the most murders, DUH! And its very expensive to give 300 million people free healthcare and free collage. Not so hard to give a few million or thousand or however many

Actually, larger countries should have better and cheaper systems per capita due to economies of scale.

Generally speaking the American education system is poor, but when Americans excel they really excel - look at the space programme in the mid 20th century and all sorts of other achievements. Sadly these efforts are the exception, rather than the rule.
Dobbs Town
25-08-2004, 07:53
America Rules. *sigh* Yes, America "rules"...unfortunately. At least with British Imperial rule, you had the sense that somehow, the British were clever, insightful, intelligent people with good manners and a proper education. Not so with the current crop. They's proud tuh be idjits! That's how the Lard intended 'em tuh bein'! Hyuck!
Seket-Hetep
25-08-2004, 08:07
no nation is the best. every country has its own flaws that make it aggrivating, but every country also has its edges that make it (in ways) better than other nations. all you US-hating euros can shut your traps, because you've got your own crap you need to deal with, and so do we.
no nation the worst? i can't say, i've never been to the less-fortunate nations of the world, so i couldn't really tell you.
Seket-Hetep
25-08-2004, 08:13
Sadly these efforts are the exception, rather than the rule.
too true, unfortunately
Deranged Chinchillas
25-08-2004, 08:16
no nation is the best. every country has its own flaws that make it aggrivating, but every country also has its edges that make it (in ways) better than other nations. all you US-hating euros can shut your traps, because you've got your own crap you need to deal with, and so do we.
no nation the worst? i can't say, i've never been to the less-fortunate nations of the world, so i couldn't really tell you.

An intelligent post? OMG!!!!! HAHAHA!!! Someone isn't contibuting to the arguments! WOOT!!! There's hope for this forum yet...
Dxdark
25-08-2004, 08:26
no nation is the best. every country has its own flaws that make it aggrivating, but every country also has its edges that make it (in ways) better than other nations.
I agree with that. Personally, I'm an Aussie so I wouldn't say that the United States is the best country, but when you look at Libya and Kenya and how people are starving, it isn't the worst. I think I can safely say that no one on this forum can say which is the best country in the world because I don't think anyone on this forum has been to every country in the world.
Lower Aquatica
25-08-2004, 15:00
Before you can make any statement about whether a country "Rules", you need to further clarify what it is that the country you are claiming rules AT. You know, the whole "every nation has its strengths and weaknesses" argument.

To those who have said that American EDUCATION rules -- I beg to differ. And I AM American.
Seosavists
25-08-2004, 15:04
Al-Qaida was established by Osama Bin Laden in 1988 to expand the resistance movement against the Soviet forces in Afghanistan into a pan-Islamic resistance movement. It evolved from an organisation referred to as the Makhtab al-Khidamat, which initially helped to finance, recruit, and train mujahedeen for the Afghan resistance against the Soviets during the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan. This organisation was funded partly by Osama Bin Laden himself, but also by donations from many sources in Islamic countries and the US Government. Al-Qaida is thought currently to have several thousand members.....America RULES not.