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evenly split, that's quality.

Well there was this one time... I dug an old soldering iron out of somewhere in my basement, the kind that heates up and stays warm. It was probably the first time this thing had gotten used in 15 years. When I plugged it in, white smoke started coming out of it. I figured it didn't matter and kept on soldering until I got a big whiff... and BAM! This most incredible high ever, which I can't even begin to describe. Was it some drug my parents hid in the soldering iron way back in the 70's? Was it some chemical given off from some burning part? Can anyone tell me? I've also had some experience with mary jane, and I didn't even get "high" compared to that. All weed did was make me laugh a lot. (Which in itself is very enjoyable.)

Weed and alcohol (yes, alcohol is most definately a drug, just happens to be semi-legal at the moment; I'm not 21 yet).

I am surprised the poll is basically split 50-50. Would have thought more people had experimented, but then again, most of us are internet nerds. :p


Hmm...a note about alcohol vs. weed. Weed has caused me far less problems than booze. I don't think about getting high often, it's more just something I indulge in from time to time, like one of those expensive 5 dollar milkshakes (but they're damn worth it :p). When stoned I just like to sit down and watch TV or something. As for alcohol, I've found I actively have to control myself. For no reason at all I'll start wanting to get drunk. When drunk I've done some pretty stupid things.

All in all, I'd say what passes for drug *education* is horribly flawed, dishonest, and frankly damaging.

lol, what drugs have you taken? if you claim that heroine, opium, or crack are not addictive then that simply means you haven't taken them and don't know anybody who has :).

Just because something is addictive does not mean that people will get addicted to it. Alcohol is addictive - not everyone who drinks is an alcoholic. Just as not everyone who occasionally uses harder drugs will end up addicted. The myths that imply that if a person uses such things once then they are hooked is ridiculous. As is the myth that everyone who uses them will sooner or later be addicted.

Addiction varies person by person, and ranges from physical to mental addictions, something people routinely fail to mention. It's a very complicated issue. You can get "addicted" to anything. A lot of it depends on the person who indulges. Depressed people are more at risk to developing dependancies, for obvious reasons.

I took acid and weed during my uni years. I haven't taken anything since, and I don't feel the affects now.

I havent seen a single post of someone who uses heroin on here... Is it just a rare drug or is it because most of the time it does screw up your life?

I havent seen a single post of someone who uses heroin on here... Is it just a rare drug or is it because most of the time it does screw up your life?
Hmmm .... you're pre-supposing that spending time on NS constitutes a 'life'. :p

I havent seen a single post of someone who uses heroin on here... Is it just a rare drug or is it because most of the time it does screw up your life?

I've done it, but smoked, not injected.

Needles. </3

No,and I can safely say I never will. Drugs are for morons. All drugs do is harm you. Before you start ranting about fast food and all I will say this. Fast food isn't addictive. Drugs are. Harmful Chemicals + Nicotine=bad.

No,and I can safely say I never will. Drugs are for morons. All drugs do is harm you. Before you start ranting about fast food and all I will say this. Fast food isn't addictive. Drugs are. Harmful Chemicals + Nicotine=bad.

Last time I checked... nicotine was only in cigarettes... not weed or any other illegal drug.

No,and I can safely say I never will. Drugs are for morons. All drugs do is harm you. Before you start ranting about fast food and all I will say this. Fast food isn't addictive. Drugs are. Harmful Chemicals + Nicotine=bad.
Another example of complete ignorance of "drugs".

and only once, I said this shit is not for me and
I never gave in to peer presure again, the Santa-Nita
true drug story will be posted later on.

Just because something is addictive does not mean that people will get addicted to it. Alcohol is addictive - not everyone who drinks is an alcoholic. Just as not everyone who occasionally uses harder drugs will end up addicted. The myths that imply that if a person uses such things once then they are hooked is ridiculous. As is the myth that everyone who uses them will sooner or later be addicted.
wrong, dangerously wrong. you hold some common and critical misconceptions about the nature of addiction.

a chemical that is physically addictive will, by definition, cause addiction reactions in all people. alcohol is not considered physically addictive unless consumed in mass quantities for extended periods, and even then it isn't technically a physical addiction (it's actually just a prolonged form of toxicity). marijuana is not physically addictive. LSD is not physically addictive. many other drugs are not physically addictive. it is possible to become PSYCHOLOGICALLY addicted to such substances, just as it is possible to be psychologically addicted to food, or sex, or gambling, but the medical definition of physical addiction does not apply to these drugs.

opiate drugs, on the other hand, are physically addictive. they cause physical, chemical reactions that are refered to as addiction. it is not possible for a human being to use heroine without showing addiction symptoms, for instance. crack cocaine is much the same as the opiates in this respect, causing physiological changes that consititute physical addiction.

this is the distinction that many people, if not most, are dangerously misinformed about. people think that addiction is always variable, and that certain people don't have "addictive personalities" and are therefore immune to addiction...that''s simply not the case. it is true that different people have varying levels of predisposition for psychological addiction, and varying physiological factors can influence how strong their physical addiction reactions will be, but there are limitations to the range of human physiology. certain drugs in certain concentrations will ALWAYS be physically addictive, no matter who you are.

Nope, nothing that didn't come from a pharmacist, and I don't really plan to. Then again, I start college in a year...

Alcohol is not considered physically addictive?

I've done Ecstasy and Marijuana. Didn't like either much. Now, I just drink. ;)

Alcohol is not considered physically addictive?
not unless abused for very long periods of time, and in that case it becomes more a situation of systemic habituation than addiction...it's not so much that you are addicted to it, it's more that your system has been full of a toxin for so long that it has adjusted to try to compensate.

Done skunk, which is great fun. Especially since my best friend decided to become a dealer.

Hell, a while back I started processing shrooms into easy to swallow caps for a laugh. Nobody told me it was illegal. Once I knew that....


... I started charging more. :D

There are five identified chemically addictive drugs that cause the body itself to develop a dependence. These are alcohol, nicotine, cocaine, opiates (heroin, opium etc) and paracetemol.

From what I've read, downers like Valiums and barbiturates are also addictive.

Then again, it's very difficult to get the FACTS about such matters, with all the slanted "studies" and general aura of bullshit.

From what I've read, downers like Valiums and barbiturates are also addictive.

Then again, it's very difficult to get the FACTS about such matters, with all the slanted "studies" and general aura of bullshit.

Barbituarates are highly addictive, benzo... benzo... Valium and related drugs are also addictive, but less so, they were invented as a less addictive substitute for people who take barbituarates theroputically.

From what I've read, downers like Valiums and barbiturates are also addictive.

Then again, it's very difficult to get the FACTS about such matters, with all the slanted "studies" and general aura of bullshit.
it gets a bit murky with barbituates, frankly. it is clear that people develop a tolerance to them, and that people who use them for prolonged periods (even in the precribed, safe amounts) will have adverse effects when they try to stop using them. however, they do not provoke a "classical" addiction reaction, neurochemically speaking, so TECHNICALLY they aren't considered addictive by some standards. personally i think that technicality is evidence that our definition of addiction is too narrow, because i think the psychopharmacological effects most certainly line up with addiction, and the medical community is slowly coming round on things like this.

of course, i have no idea how big a part drug companies can play in our definitions of medical addiction and so forth, and it would make perfect sense for them to keep the definition of addiction narrow in order to escape increased regulation...but that would be a conspiracy theory, and i don't swing that way...:)

man I love pot, so guess. :)
best part is its non-addictive

Yes i do drugs, and most of em to(not -), but stay away from GHB and GBL, those drugs will kill you. `Drugs are strange they can turn you from a right and left winger in to something inbetween, like your mind suddenly grasped the logic in the world. But as we all know to much of anything is bad. :headbang:

Um, no. Am I missing out or something?

Do it when your 80 no one should die without feeling absolute happiness in this cold world-(E)-. Don`t do E when your young.

A better question is who's done coke before, put your hand up.

;)

A better question is who's done coke before, put your hand up.

;)
*hand*

don't recommend it, though...it's the only drug i found myself becoming psychologically addicted to. not a good time, addiction, and certainly not something to play about with.

A better question is who's done coke before, put your hand up.

;)
One day, perhaps...:p

Sticking to booze and weed for the moment.

Thinking about tripping on cough syrup, anyone tried that?

(btw, the most recent South Park episode was hilarious! :D)

Thinking about tripping on cough syrup, anyone tried that?

you can't, not any more. at least, not on cough syrup sold in the US...they took out the stuff that yielded the trip. now all that will happen is you will get wicked sick. i haven't tried it, but i had a buddy who used to trip on that stuff waaaaaay back in the day, and he was pissed as hell when they stopped putting the "fun" in the cough syrup.

you can't, not any more. at least, not on cough syrup sold in the US...they took out the stuff that yielded the trip. now all that will happen is you will get wicked sick. i haven't tried it, but i had a buddy who used to trip on that stuff waaaaaay back in the day, and he was pissed as hell when they stopped putting the "fun" in the cough syrup.
You're kidding me. I knew they cut back DXM concentrations, but they still use it, right?

Anyways, from Robitussin's own website: http://www.robitussin.com/adult/cough/syrup/label_dmcs.asp

Active ingredients (in each 5 mL tsp)
Dextromethorphan HBr, USP 10 mg

That's the stuff. They must still sell it.



Edit: And a stronger one: http://www.robitussin.com/adult/cough/syrup/label_mscs.asp

Active ingredients (in each 5 mL tsp)
Dextromethorphan HBr, USP 15 mg

You're kidding me. I knew they cut back DXM concentrations, but they still use it, right?

Anyways, from Robitussin's own website: http://www.robitussin.com/adult/cough/syrup/label_dmcs.asp

Active ingredients (in each 5 mL tsp)
Dextromethorphan HBr, USP 10 mg

That's the stuff. They must still sell it.
it may be that they just reduced the concentration to the point where you won't feel a thing before you get so sick that it doesn't matter. all i know is that you drink that junk at your own risk...i have heard nothing but bad things from the syrup junkies who ought to know :P.

wow, almost 50% have never taken pot ><
this is just crazy ... except if they are very young (les than 15-16)

I'm taking some illegal drugs right now. Very tasty illegal drugs, too. From my own garden.

Anybody else?

I've smoked pot a few times, although I don't buy it myself; I wait until someone else is skinning up. I'm thinking about trying LSD, also, but I don't know where to get it. Ah well, I've got years yet.

Drank underage a little. Nothing more.

I've smoked pot a few times, although I don't buy it myself; I wait until someone else is skinning up. I'm thinking about trying LSD, also, but I don't know where to get it. Ah well, I've got years yet.

thinking about mushrooms, cause it's another drug that doesn't give any addiction.

Missing out? On what, empty bank accounts, holes in your brains? Well if you want to try go ahead, but remember any problems you have now will only be amplified 10 fold by drugs.
You seem to think that by drugs we mean cocaine.

Anyone else here tripped on cough syrup?

I have tried drugs. Hallucinogenics and the such are the only ones worth bothering with.

Anyone else here tripped on cough syrup?

Yup, and ketamin. DXM is harder on your brain(in recreational doses) then K though.

Ever used anti-histamines or Gravol to get high? It works if you don't fall asleep.

I mean the illegal type. Have you?
They aren't illegal in the Netherlands but they are in the Theocratic States of America. So yesno.

you can't, not any more. at least, not on cough syrup sold in the US...they took out the stuff that yielded the trip. now all that will happen is you will get wicked sick. i haven't tried it, but i had a buddy who used to trip on that stuff waaaaaay back in the day, and he was pissed as hell when they stopped putting the "fun" in the cough syrup.

He probably meant codeine, which they used to put in cough syrups. Now they use DXM, dextromethorphan hydrobromide, which is a dissassociative if he drank the cough syrup he probably just didn't have enough?

DXM can be used to help recovering opioid addicts, because it acts on the endorphan receptors without causing the same high.

I love to smoke weed, but i really don't consider it a "drug", hey it's a plant, people. an herb, no different than all those freaks (no offense if you do) who take st john's wort or any of the other stuff found in a pill in the store.
it's harmless.
anybody ever get high off a marker? it wasn't on purpose!

I've always considered pot a 'soft' drug...and I'm willing to extend that to hash, and even psilocybin. I won't touch hard drugs like cocaine, opiates, or 'designer drugs' like E or crystal meth.

I tried coke once or twice - and 'good stuff' at that, but I found I caught more of a buzz off of a cup of coffee than six long lines of the Peruvian flake. Go figure.

I smoked opiated hash and really liked it. Really liked it. Liked it enough to realize that some things are best left untouched.

But lemme digress a little: I haven't been down to the states since August of 2001, where I attended the X-Day drill at Brushwood, NY (it's a Subgenius thing). Having no connections south of the border, I smuggled a half ounce of premium weed in my complaining rectum over the Rainbow bridge, in seven pre-rolled fatties.

When I got there, I found to my surprise that most of the campsite was dry - all manner of Sub-Gees getting off on nightly excessive drinking. This from a group that likes to profess a great love of 'frappy' - code-word for weed. I decided to share out my stash with anyone who seemed so inclined.

Toward the end of the week, I repaid someone's kindness (they'd made pancakes for everybody) with a few long pulls on one of my last fat doobs. I didn't think anything of it, until his girlfriend came 'round to talk with me about twenty minutes later.

Apparently he was cowering in a corner of their tent, convinced I'd fed him angel dust or something. I had to laugh, as there was nothing in the joint other than high-quality Canadian weed, and I said as much. I told him to eat something sweet and stop worrying so much, that his blood-sugar level had obviously dipped a little low for comfort. His girlfriend wasn't angry with me, more like angry with him freakin' out.

As it turned out, she was the daughter of the State anti-drug czar for Pennsylvania, or Ohio, or some other nearby state, so she knew better than he what to expect from a few lungfuls of good weed. While he got his head together in the tent, she and I talked about the perpetual War on Drugs.

Nearly as I'd been able to tell, the War on Drugs had been entirely successful. Her boyfriend, though 'high' on 'pot' many times before, couldn't cope with the Canadian stuff - due to the fact that the weed he'd had floating around his community was industrial hemp by comparison.

It put me in mind of all those episodes of 'COPS' my SO & I watched together on Saturday nights...so many people caught on camera messed up on the shittiest substances imaginable, like crack, meth, PCP and perhaps most disgustingly of all, toluene (inhalants used in spraycan packaging, like paints). You could practically see the brain cells dying. all along, the heavy-handed cops would lecture them about living lives of sobriety, when you could see all they wanted to do was try to escape the horrribleness of their surrundings.

There was an obvious need on the part of the hapless fools we'd see, a need to get out of their heads. Someone who wants out of their own heads will get there using whatever means are available. My SO and I reasoned that if that were the case, it made sense to allow such people access to a more benign substance like pot in place of forcing them to resort to using wretched things like gold spraypaint cans to get off. I would typify that as a reasonable response to a social problem in a mature society.

Instead these poor sons of bitches are roughed up, lectured, berated, cuffed, and shut away out of sight. Maybe if they could just light up...maybe if there was anything TO light up...maybe, maybe, maybe.

I left Brushwood feeling no end of joy in the knowledge that in Canada, the War on Drugs is just a bit of inconsequential noise we hear from right-wing politicians hoping to score points with American pols from time to time.

A better question is who's done coke before, put your hand up.

;)

It makes me feel really chilled out for about 30 to an hour and then puts me to sleep. No kidding. It's not a quality issue either. Done it many times. The more hyped the batch gets other people, the more relaxed I get. Just an atypical reaction I guess.

Barbituarates are highly addictive, benzo... benzo... Valium and related drugs are also addictive, but less so, they were invented as a less addictive substitute for people who take barbituarates theroputically.

Benzodiazepines may have been developed to be a less physically addictive substitute, but just the opposite is true. Benzo's will cause physical addiction faster than practically everything else other than nicotene (yes, they are more physically addictive than even opiates). And if a person uses benzos long enough, the system shock from physical withdrawals have a chance of being deadly. A prescription for as needed for panic attacks or whatnot is okay. But if someone takes 2-3 a day for more than just a couple of days, then physical addiction is a risk.

Valium is actually diazepam, and my mate mixes it (I think) in his local pharmacy, along with methodone for all the ex-junkies where I live.

I've smoked skunk some, and my cousin has done most things except heroin and crack. So I get offers every other week. LSD might be interesting, I think I'll try that next

*goes to find a tab*

nope.

I love to smoke weed, but i really don't consider it a "drug", hey it's a plant, people. an herb, no different than all those freaks (no offense if you do) who take st john's wort or any of the other stuff found in a pill in the store.
it's harmless.
anybody ever get high off a marker? it wasn't on purpose!

I've gotten fucked off solvents a few times, never intentionally though, just because I'm too stubborn to leave when I spill glue, or to turn the fan on in the spraybooth(in my auto body class).

Ether is substantially safer then other solvents, if anyone was wondering.

Just weed, as I'm guessing the majority of people who voted "yes".

Given the skewed nature of this online forum, what does that say about the large numbers of liberals and libertarians here?

If this poll were run on freerepublic.com, care to take a guess what their numbers would be?

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Graaah. Brains.
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Zombie thread.
Graaah. Brains.
It looks like that zombie voted yes.

Oh noooo!

It's Jurassic Park all over again

Mmmmm drugs be good.......... and bad. But I will just pretend they are good so I can get alot more enjoyment out of life without feeling bad.

Just say no.

Nothing like a good hit of cheese ;)

I'm not sure if I've posted on this thread before or not...


Anyway, does cannabis tea count as an illegal drug?

Nope, never have...never really saw the point. Hell, I don't even smoke.

Woo, yes is winning. (I voted yes)

Just...

Yhea it is pretty suprising that so many people havent tryed them. But I guess this isnt the real world we are in here is it...

Yhea it is pretty suprising that so many people havent tryed them. But I guess this isnt the real world we are in here is it...
I suppose there are lots of kids here.

And lots of sheltered people!
:p

I suppose there are lots of kids here.

And lots of sheltered people!
:p


Fair point...... abit of a bummer though, poor guys dont know what they are missing out on :p

dope and e (but i think the E was just cleverly disguised rolaids)

You know what addicts are? Weak minded epsilons who should be shot in the back of the head. We have no use for people like you. You are selfish, isolatory, mentally deranged indiviguals, who should not be allowed to breathe.

Yes some people can't help themselves, they're dependent on the drug. *bu hu*

Yeah I feel bad for some fucking junkie leeching off my tax dollars, becuase he can't help himself. If any of you had the money to pay for the health problem you're going to contract I'd tell you to go ahead.

Drugs are also for people who can't find sex, or any other type of stimulis. Really it is the lowliest form of pleasure in existence.

Yes some people can't help themselves, they're dependent on the drug. *bu hu*

Yeah I feel bad for some fucking junkie leeching off my tax dollars, becuase he can't help himself. If any of you had the money to pay for the health problem you're going to contract I'd tell you to go ahead.

Drugs are also for people who can't find sex, or any other type of stimulis. Really it is the lowliest form of pleasure in existence.

Yhea well thought out post there buddy. Good to see some people on this thread do their research.

I guess you were hoping for some angry junkie to bite back hard and maybe even E-jab you in the eye with a needle or something?

You know what addicts are? Weak minded epsilons who should be shot in the back of the head. We have no use for people like you. You are selfish, isolatory, mentally deranged indiviguals, who should not be allowed to breathe.

What kind of addicts are you talking about here? I mean, tobacco and alcohol are drugs. I doubt that you have a problem with smokers.

Drugs are also for people who can't find sex, or any other type of stimulis. Really it is the lowliest form of pleasure in existence.i would say the lowliest form of pleasure in existence is posting your self-important rants on an internet forum to safely and annonymously bolster your own ego.

Yes some people can't help themselves, they're dependent on the drug. *bu hu*

Yeah I feel bad for some fucking junkie leeching off my tax dollars, becuase he can't help himself. If any of you had the money to pay for the health problem you're going to contract I'd tell you to go ahead.

Drugs are also for people who can't find sex, or any other type of stimulis. Really it is the lowliest form of pleasure in existence.

Agreed. :mad:

No, i have never been interested. I have no problem with anyone else doing them though.

Really, who would do something that stupid?

Really, who would do something that stupid?
to what are you refering?

to what are you refering?

Drugs.

Why would such smart people do such stupid things?

Really, who would do something that stupid?

So coffee drinkers, smokers and anyone who drink alcohol is stupid? Do you take medication ever? You're aware that some of them do alter brain function?

And drugs have had a role in some great art. Think The Doors, named after "The Doors of Perception," a book by Aldous Huxley on his experiences with drugs, particularly mescalin I think. Ooh, and Live's Secret Samadhi, apparently a very high album. :D

Drugs.

Why would such smart people do such stupid things?
depends on the drugs. do you take aspirin? do you drink caffeinated cola? do you believe consumption of alcohol can be appropriate under certain circumstances?

there are drugs that are less dangerous and physically damaging than fried chicken. there are drugs that will hook you if you look at them. there are drugs that will save your life, drugs that will take it, and drugs that won't do much of anything to your life. there are drugs that are very dangerous and highly addictive, and there are drugs that are highly beneficial.

i don't know if i qualify as a "smart person," but i can tell you that i did drugs for the same reason i put spices in my cooking. a little flavor to life is enjoyable, to me, and as long as you use your head and practice moderation in all things you won't run into much trouble.

depends on the drugs. do you take aspirin? do you drink caffeinated cola? do you believe consumption of alcohol can be appropriate under certain circumstances?

there are drugs that are less dangerous and physically damaging than fried chicken. there are drugs that will hook you if you look at them. there are drugs that will save your life, drugs that will take it, and drugs that won't do much of anything to your life. there are drugs that are very dangerous and highly addictive, and there are drugs that are highly beneficial.

i don't know if i qualify as a "smart person," but i can tell you that i did drugs for the same reason i put spices in my cooking. a little flavor to life is enjoyable, to me, and as long as you use your head and practice moderation in all things you won't run into much trouble.

Moderation is okay, though. Snorting gallons of heroin, jabbing potloads of coke in your veins, though, ain't.

Moderation is okay, though. Snorting gallons of heroin, jabbing potloads of coke in your veins, though, ain't.
no argument here. going nuts over drugs is as stupid as going nuts over food, or sex, or gambling...excess is the problem, in my opinion, not drugs in particular. there are plenty of smart, capable, successful people who use drugs, just like there are smart, capable, successful people who eat, have sex, or gamble. the key is balance.

Snorting gallons of heroin, jabbing potloads of coke in your veins
Not to mention that that's impossible...

no argument here. going nuts over drugs is as stupid as going nuts over food, or sex, or gambling...excess is the problem, in my opinion, not drugs in particular. there are plenty of smart, capable, successful people who use drugs, just like there are smart, capable, successful people who eat, have sex, or gamble. the key is balance.

Agreed, my friend. Moderation is no vice. Going nuts is nothing good.

Is it just me or does it seem quite hysterical that this topic and LP's topic are being posted at the same time. Have your ever doen drugs? "No, but I'll show you show to drink some beer."

Not to mention that that's impossible...

What do you mean.

:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

What do you mean.
Just that you snort coke and inject heroin- not vice versa. :p
But yeah, moderation good. There's no point being wasted all the time.

Just that you snort coke and inject heroin- not vice versa.
You can inject cocaine, and you can snort heroin.

Just that you snort coke and inject heroin- not vice versa. :p

you can inject cocaine and snort heroine.

You can inject cocaine, and you can snort heroin.
damn, beat me to it, and used better punctuation...

Now that I use my brain, that makes sense. :p As long as you bypass the stomach. *thinks of pharmacology*

Ok, ok, I'm a nerd. :p