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I mean the illegal type. Have you?

Yes, but are you working for Rummsfeld? BTW they didn't call me Hoover for nothing!

PS-Funny story I was at a party in LA back in 77 and who should also be there, John Holmes. He turned out to be a freaking jerk, but he was a drug fiend after all. We hung out for a couple of hours, mainly because I had what he wanted.

Yes, but are you working for Rummsfeld? BTW they didn't call me Hoover for nothing!
Rummy did it! Ah, so you have taken drugs, it seems.

Yep.

It is funny though how many people become your "friends" esp women when they know you're holding a fat bag of white. My lifestyle with my wife was pretty hedonistic back then so she would let me take advantage of some of those offers. But alas we got out of the drugs and swinging days.

Our school likes to pull random people and accuse them of dealing drugs...its funny.

I got pulled one day (I've never done drugs), and handed this little test, it went something like this:

-Where do you deal Opium?
-Where do you deal Marajuana
(Same thing, lists lots of drugs)
-Do you deal Opium?
-Do you deal Marajuana?
(Same)

One of those things that makes you want to walk up to the teacher and say "Hey, are you asking this as a request, because Ive got some right here..."

I used to take Calpol when I was underage....apart from that, nope, and I don't plan to.

Um, no. Am I missing out or something?

getting stoned is good. occasionally, anyway. bad if you need to concentrate the next day, or are feeling upset about anything (makes me feel worse, anyway). still, i could list exactly the same side-effects of getting drunk too.

Um, no. Am I missing out or something?

No. Unless you want to be a moron like the rest of us.

Sure. Only yesterday.

No. Unless you want to be a moron like the rest of us.

Ya. IMO Some are worth trying once, but most are not really worth doing again.

Is drinking under-age classed as taking illegal drugs?

I've done that, plus smoked cannabis. Prefer alcohol most of the time, occasionaly a joint is nice. Gateway drug? Not a chance.

I sure have. There's little true difference between 'hard' drugs and 'soft' drugs either. You get side effects and a higher risk of ______ with hard drugs, so many think they're more powerful...when they aren't.

Pot (weed, herb, grass, whatever you wish to call it) is the only drug I've done more than once. Why? It's lower risk than cigarettes and gets you high.

I'm not, nor will I ever be, an addict to any drug.

No. Unless you want to be a moron like the rest of us.

i disagree.
that's like saying "i've never eaten fruit, am i missing out?"
maybe you're missing out - you might enjoy them if you do. but if you're content not to try then that's fine.
just remember there are lots of different kinds and you might not like all of them.

Is drinking under-age classed as taking illegal drugs?

I've done that, plus smoked cannabis. Prefer alcohol most of the time, occasionaly a joint is nice. Gateway drug? Not a chance.
:eek: You'll end in the gutter!!!! :D

Of course I never took drugs.


After all, I went through my teen years in the 70's and 80's... and we all know that during that period clean living, abstinence, and respect for authority were the norm in high school.....

Of course I never took drugs.


After all, I went through my teen years in the 70's and 80's... and we all know that during that period clean living, abstinence, and respect for authority were the norm in high school.....
Wow, with my superior perception skills, i taste some sarcasm in that post :shock:

Ya. IMO Some are worth trying once, but most are not really worth doing again.
So true... There are a few I think aren't worth ever trying, too...like Ecstasy. It drains your spinal fluid and damages nerve endings.

i went into work half drunk half hungover a couple of weeks ago and eventually got given a verbal warning and sent home, i found out that my boss thought i'd been taking drugs and now we're all gonna have to have a drugs test but the only person who's results are gonna come back clean are mine! i can't wait to see my bosses face when she gets them

Wow, with my superior perception skills, i taste some sarcasm in that post :shock:


Who me? Sarcasm?

:D

i disagree.
that's like saying "i've never eaten fruit, am i missing out?"
maybe you're missing out - you might enjoy them if you do. but if you're content not to try then that's fine.
just remember there are lots of different kinds and you might not like all of them.

Missing out? On what, empty bank accounts, holes in your brains? Well if you want to try go ahead, but remember any problems you have now will only be amplified 10 fold by drugs.

So true... There are a few I think aren't worth ever trying, too...like Ecstasy. It drains your spinal fluid and damages nerve endings.

Done that, it's crap. I'd rather get drunk, I find it a more pleasureable feeling.

Tell you what though; never do speed or any other amphetamines. They suck worse.

holes in your brains?
:confused: Huh?

Of course I never took drugs.


After all, I went through my teen years in the 70's and 80's... and we all know that during that period clean living, abstinence, and respect for authority were the norm in high school.....

Living in Canada you missed out on the best dope though. LA was the best place to be for the best drugs during the 70's. All of the "beautiful" people were there.

i went into work half drunk half hungover a couple of weeks ago and eventually got given a verbal warning and sent home, i found out that my boss thought i'd been taking drugs and now we're all gonna have to have a drugs test but the only person who's results are gonna come back clean are mine! i can't wait to see my bosses face when she gets them

I thought you were 14 or 15?

Good on ya, start young. Its what I did, and look where I ended up, just fine thankyou. *points gnawed chicken bone at tink and adjusts heshen sack that he is wearing*

Missing out? On what, empty bank accounts, holes in your brains? Well if you want to try go ahead, but remember any problems you have now will only be amplified 10 fold by drugs.
"Everything in moderation"

As long as you don't take what was a Friday night thing and make it an all-day-every-day thing, that won't happen to you. "Mind over matter" is also true here. One thing - there are a few drugs that aren't even addictive. Any addiction you develop is in your mind only. Such as marajuana.

:confused: Huh?

Ever seen what a cocaine addicts brain looks like after 10 years of hard use?

I flirted with the idea for a while, but after my friend in Freshman (I think) year of high school ended up half braindead from the stuff, I've become pretty resolved not to do it, ever.

I've never taken this hugely damaging chemical called 'drugs'

I used Weed, Alcohol, Coke, E, Speed, Poppers. All of them , with the exception of the first and last ones, I have only tried once or less the amount of fingers I have on one hand.

Ever seen what a cocaine addicts brain looks like after 10 years of hard use?
No. Just saw that their nosebridge wasn't realy firmly attached to their face anymore. :D

"Everything in moderation"

As long as you don't take what was a Friday night thing and make it an all-day-every-day thing, that won't happen to you. "Mind over matter" is also true here. One thing - there are a few drugs that aren't even addictive. Any addiction you develop is in your mind only. Such as marajuana.

But some drugs get you after your first time like H or Freebased Cocaine. Pot can be addictive to certain people. If you are a depressed or otherwise troubled person it makes it easier for you to become hooked.

PS-If you eat your boogies after your bag is finished, that's another good sign of addiction. Or crawling around the floor looking for chunks that ended up on the carpet

Done that, it's crap. I'd rather get drunk, I find it a more pleasureable feeling.

Tell you what though; never do speed or any other amphetamines. They suck worse.
If I need to get away from reality that badly, I'll go to sleep. ^_^

Eagh...they almost put me on Ritalin when I was 9...thought I had ADHD. =/ (Bipolar Disorder, for the interested)

Yes, I've tried and I'm a recreational user of marijuana.

Who me? Sarcasm?

:D
:D
Sarcasm? Never, no way, not me!

But Freebased Cocaine
What makes Cocaine freebased?

I thought you were 14 or 15?

Good on ya, start young. Its what I did, and look where I ended up, just fine thankyou. *points gnawed chicken bone at tink and adjusts heshen sack that he is wearing*
close, i'm 16, i started drinking when i was 12 though

"Everything in moderation"

What about moderation? Do you take moderation in moderation? In that case, you would have do lots of drugs at some point, lest you not moderate your moderation..... :confused:

If I need to get away from reality that badly, I'll go to sleep. ^_^

Eagh...they almost put me on Ritalin when I was 9...thought I had ADHD. =/ (Bipolar Disorder, for the interested)

Heh, I used E at a nightclub, not as a stress reliever or anything...and i'd rather be drunk. Even if it is more expensive.

close, i'm 16, i started drinking when i was 12 though
jeez!

But some drugs get you after your first time like H or Freebased Cocaine. Pot can be addictive to certain people. If you are a depressed or otherwise troubled person it makes it easier for you to become hooked.
This is true. You seem to know what you're talking about however - so you would know to stay away from the one-shot 'miraculous' drugs. Pot becomes necessary to some because they grow addictive to the escape, and any drug will supply that.

close, i'm 16, i started drinking when i was 12 though
Cool. Keep it up. And you'll have a liver replacement before your 30. :D

jeez!
It isn't as rare as you think. Not in Britain anyway.

What makes Cocaine freebased?

When you mix it with water then cook it carefully, then cool it quickly to form crystals, which you then smoke. Like crack, but much more expensive.

What about moderation? Do you take moderation in moderation? In that case, you would have do lots of drugs at some point, lest you not moderate your moderation..... :confused:
Everything in moderation.

Everything in the cookie jar. (Okay, I slip up sometimes too...I'm not perfect...)

To be serious: No, I don't ever binge (*steals terminology from the alcoholics*) on drugs. It's called self discipline. =P

close, i'm 16, i started drinking when i was 12 though

Heh, about the same age I started. Don't worry about those liver pains darl, just get drunk again and they'll go away. Or stoned. Once you start turning yellow, you better lay off for a week though.

It isn't as rare as you think. Not in Britain anyway.
It's happening on the continent more often lately as well. And it's rising. Thanks to things like Breezers and Smirnoff Ice etc.. Which is extremely popular.

It isn't as rare as you think. Not in Britain anyway.

Aye. Here in Australia, we shun people who don't drink by the age of 16. (Legal age is 18)

When you mix it with water then cook it carefully, then cool it quickly to form crystals, which you then smoke. Like crack, but much more expensive.
Ooh, never done that.

I'm curious and want to try it. But I made a promise to my self not to use it again.

It's happening on the continent more often lately as well. And it's rising. Thanks to things like Breezers and Smirnoff Ice etc.. Which is extremely popular.

Pfeh! Those are for for girly people.

Pfeh! Those are for for girly people.
Yes. But thats what the under drinking age kids like to drink. In large amounts you can get realy drunk from them.

It's happening on the continent more often lately as well. And it's rising. Thanks to things like Breezers and Smirnoff Ice etc.. Which is extremely popular.
I hate those drinks. They're far to sweet and make me feel sick.

However my parents have been offering me wine with dinner for as long as I remember, to teach me that it is ok to drink with food and in moderation. I think it has worked, I have never gone off the rails like some other people have. Which is why believe it is better to have a more liberal approach to alcohol. I have seen quite a few people who have never really get drunk (or drank) at home, who go off the rails when the leave home.

Yes. But thats what the under drinking age kids like to drink. In large amounts you can get realy drunk from them.

When I was still underage and wanted to get really drunk, I would down a bottle of beam in one sitting, maybe with a little help. (I don't do that anymore, though...I learned from experience)

Soft-grogs like breezers are no fun in comparison. Like Conceptualists said, far too sweet.

Pfeh! Those are for for girly people.
It tends to be looked down apon if you are not a girl and get an alcho-pop here.

It tends to be looked down apon if you are not a girl and get an alcho-pop here.

Same here. The UK and Australia still aren't much different, eh?

I hate those drinks. They're far to sweet and make me feel sick.
My thoughts exactly. But thats why they are so popular with underagers. And they have about the same amount of alcohol in it as a good cold beer.

My thoughts exactly. But thats why they are so popular with underagers. And they have about the same amount of alcohol in it as a good cold beer.

Well, theres always bourbon and coke for a happy middle. Though I like my beer :)

Well, theres always bourbon and coke for a happy middle. Though I like my beer :)
Mmmm...beer....Grolsch and Warsteiner beeing my favorits.

Mmmm...beer....Grolsch and Warsteiner beeing my favorits.

My favourite is an Aussie brew called Crown Lager. I haven't gotten into European beers yet...

I have taken some. smoked an bit of hash (Not my drug rely i perfer alcohol) and tried amfetamin once.

Becides from that an cupple of years ago an friend of mine and me haid an smal buisness runing. We were roaling in money for an wile.

Mmmm...beer....Grolsch and Warsteiner beeing my favorits.
Do you know a beer called Duvel (iirc). I had it the last time I was in Holland and really liked it.

As a rule the continent makes better largers, but Britain makes better bitters (imo).

No. Never taken them. I always PAY for mine. :cool:

Do you know a beer called Duvel (iirc). I had it the last time I was in Holland and really liked it.

As a rule the continent makes better largers, but Britain makes better bitters (imo).
Yeah. Duvel. It's Belgian I think. Not realy one of my favorits.

I still do Marijuana like at parties or if a friend brings some around thats the only drug i've tried.

Pot (weed, herb, grass, whatever you wish to call it) is the only drug I've done more than once. Why? It's lower risk than cigarettes and gets you high.

I'm not, nor will I ever be, an addict to any drug.

First, that assumption is wrong. Cannabis is far more dangerous than tobacco. It has more tar and carbon monoxide than tobacco. Plus the possibility of a cannabis pychosis is not a joking matter.

And only way you can be shure, that you won't become a addict is not to use. There is no way you can control it otherway.

Wow, a thread dedicated to me! (Perhaps...)

It would be easier to ask what illegal drugs I haven't done... Basically the hard nasty ones: crack, herion, acid (and the obscure ones like TCH, 2CB, etc...)

Weed (plus variants) - pretty much every day, I find it helps me relax, it's an effective painkiller, it makes me happy if I'm down, as Howard Marks said: "I just like being stoned." And as Bill Hicks said: "I haven't killed, hurt or raped anyone, haven't stolen anything, didn't lose.. umm.. ONE f*cking job, I just laughed my ass off, and went about my day!"

Ecstacy - six times ever. Too inconsistent for me. The first time, on my 20th birthday was super cool, totally amazing and not much of a comedown. The other five times were just attempts to get as good as the first, but they were, with a couple of exceptions, crap. On Valentines Day this year me and a friend went out and double-dropped, intending to get mashed and pull some equally mashed girls, but that never happened. Strangely, it completely drained me of energy and testosterone, (you know how you can't get it up on a pill? Well, this removed the will to do so as well!), and I spent most of the night on a club couch, smoking and feeling really really happy, but I just couldn't be bothered to speak or move. Like weed lethargy, but kinda worse. A friend's girlfriend was gamely trying to set me up with some of her friends, but with every one I just grinned and said minimum. Bit of a waste that. I haven't done it since then, so after eight months maybe the next time will be a good one...

Ketamine - maybe ten or so times. Very very wierd drug. A bit unpleasant. It has a disgusting taste, and with a small dose everything get's wierd, a bit like when you're HAMMERED on alcohol, but without the nausea or headache. It's a dissassociative drug, meaning that your mind separates from your body. A higher dose sends you into a K-Hole, which I describe as a state of concious dreaming. You don't know where you are, or even who you are! It's very panicky if you're not expecting it! You see some crazy stuff. In my only K-Hole ever, I thought my conciousness was a spirit flying through space, and I didn't know where the f*ck my body was... A bit scary actually. I'd do it again, but it's a bit expensive and hard to get hold of. It's quite nasty, brain-health wise, so I'd never do it very often. Not even me...

Speed - horrible and dirty drug, don't do it. Use caffeine instead, it's more metabolism-friendly. Done it a couple of times, which was kinda pointless, since I could've got the same effect from four espressos (which I sometimes do, for giggles). But the comedown.. oh God, was it sh*t! Got emotionally tired as well as physically, got very depressed. Never again. Also done base, which is pure amphetamine. That reacted with me a little better, but still gave me a really sore back, and put me on a downer. No point really.

MDMA - the pure active ingredient of Ecstacy, did a line once at a squat party (awful places, bad vibes, the worst place ever to do any drug), but it must've been baking soda or something, 'cos it did absolutely nothing but give me a stinging nose. I haven't been bothered to try again.

Mushrooms - did four fat Mexicana mushrooms and the boiled juice in a glass once. Then did the stupidest thing ever to do on shrooms, and went to a club. Mistake. Wore sunglasses, and got really agitated and paranoid when my friend (who had no idea I was shrooming) nicked them and ran off. In a club with everyone yelling and bumping into me (which admitedly is normal), on shrooms it was very distressing. I felt a bit nauseous, and like I was watching things through a TV, which could've been nice to chill out to, but I was insane in my fresher year. Haven't bothered to try again, but I probably will, in a relaxing environment this time!

Cocaine - did it once, chilling in a friend's room at uni. We thought it would be good to put the room in total darkness and listen to Godspeed You Black Emperor very loudly. Enjoyed the music, but to be honest, the same effects can be done with a couple of pints and a spliff. Not worth it. It's fun, but nowhere near worth what you pay for it.

And that's about it! (Finally)

NB: I do not condone any use of a drug harder than weed (or maybe shrooms), they give you a really 'chemically' feeling which isn't that pleasant, and they're very dangerous. Cannabis should be legalised, there are hundreds of websites giving sane, logical arguments for the legalisation. For medicinal purposes if anything. Check out www.erowid.org for medical info on just about any drug out there. Research your drug first!

i'm living proof that winners sometimes do drugs.

i used LSD constantly during high school and graduated first in my class of 350. i have also used pot, shrooms, 2-ct7, cocaine, speed, MDMA, DXM, GHB, and opium, and i just completed bachelors degrees in Biology, Philosophy, and Psychology. i'm in graduate school now, studying for a Ph.D, and i still use alcohol and halucinogens on a fairly regular basis.

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I've got nothing against them. They're a choice after all. Why not just legalize all of them and charge a tax (as they do already for alcohol)?

That was the macro side of things... Now the micro side (ie, me). I've only done hash, on a few occasions, and mj once. I'll admit it, I've loved the feeling each time, especially with alcohol (the only other thing I make use of). Getin Hi, has seen me a couple of times smoking the stuff and drinking... not to mention the fact that he saw me in a mean state at a bbq last friday (ask him for an "objective" opinion).

Anyway, I've got nothing against drugs.

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I've got nothing against them. They're a choice after all. Why not just legalize all of them and charge a tax (as they do already for alcohol)?

That was the macro side of things... Now the micro side (ie, me). I've only done hash, on a few occasions, and mj once. I'll admit it, I've loved the feeling each time, especially with alcohol (the only other thing I make use of). Getin Hi, has seen me a couple of times smoking the stuff and drinking... not to mention the fact that he saw me in a mean state at a bbq last friday (ask him for an "objective" opinion).

Anyway, I've got nothing against drugs.

You were awesome, man. That was one mean state!

You do realise that the next stage in the game is to teach you how to roll a joint?

My opinions are always objective! From a subjective point of view...

Ooh, never done that.

I'm curious and want to try it. But I made a promise to my self not to use it again.

No you don't want too! They should call it housebasing as it'll eventually cost you everything.

Well, theres always bourbon and coke for a happy middle. Though I like my beer :)

How could you! Whiskey goes with coke. It is an insult to Bourbon to mix it with coke. A good country gentleman sips a neat bourbon.

smokin a bifta as i write, never did me any harm, use it the same as alcohol but without the hangover...tried everything once just out of curiosity and agree with the moderation thing..oh, and E's are better in fours..mmmmmmmmmm ;)

Eh, I smoked a bit of pot (weed) in my youth. I don't any more, and haven't in years, I don't see it as a big thing really. I don't really consider it hard drugs. I suppose I'm a bit of a hypocrite though, because if I ever catch my kids doing it, we are going to have a LONG talk.. :D

smokin a bifta as i write, never did me any harm, use it the same as alcohol but without the hangover...tried everything once just out of curiosity and agree with the moderation thing..oh, and E's are better in fours..mmmmmmmmmm ;)
Rolling one as I write. (Actually, most of the posts I make here are stoned posts and take half an hour to write...) Es in fours? That's £20 right there, I'm a poor student, you know? :D

Eh, I smoked a bit of pot (weed) in my youth. I don't any more, and haven't in years, I don't see it as a big thing really. I don't really consider it hard drugs. I suppose I'm a bit of a hypocrite though, because if I ever catch my kids doing it, we are going to have a LONG talk.. :D
you should have the talk before they get the opportunity to begin, at least they will know the dangers and be able to make an educated decision whether they accept or not.. :)

£5!!!!each, i'd stop if they ever cost me that...lol

The first drug that I did besides alcohol were amphetamines courtesy of Uncle Sam. When we were stationed in Thailand at our airbase the medical people would hand them to us before we flew our weasel missions near Hanoi.
Not only did they help us stay alert, but they also helped us keep our moods up, took some of the fear of certain death away. They made me feel like I was invincible, but alas I was wrong.

you should have the talk before they get the opportunity to begin, at least they will know the dangers and be able to make an educated decision whether they accept or not.. :)

Actually, I fully intend to.. at this point my son is 6 and my daughter is pushing 7 months old. I think I can put it off a little longer ;)

£5!!!!each, i'd stop if they ever cost me that...lol
As a wise man once said: 'In London, the drugs are f*cking expensive...'

I've never taken drugs, but everyone I meet seems to think i'm a pothead.

...i wonder why :D

My opinions are always objective! From a subjective point of view...

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

You've got a point there

First, that assumption is wrong. Cannabis is far more dangerous than tobacco. It has more tar and carbon monoxide than tobacco. Plus the possibility of a cannabis pychosis is not a joking matter.

And only way you can be shure, that you won't become a addict is not to use. There is no way you can control it otherway.
I said nothing about cannabis. Cannabis can be many things; marijuana is one of them, and is not dangerous.

This is because of the part of the plant it's prepared from.

Sure, there may be some species that I don't know of which are dangerous... But all cigarettes produced by tobacco companies which use superfertilizers are more so. When was the last time you saw a cancer patient prescribed with Marlboro Reds?

Pot - i.e. leaf of a marijuana (cannabis) plant - does not cause cancer. Polonium 210 - a chemical found in commercial superfertilizers - DOES. =)

Some say that pot will kill brain cells. To you I say: Everything in moderation. If you eat enough cookies, you'll kill brain cells. If you spend too much time reading this post, you'll kill brain cells. Oops. =)

Pot is not physically addictive, nor mentally addictive. Other parts of the plant may be, but the leaf is not. As I said before: Any addiction you may develop is for the escape. The high. Not the drug.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

You've got a point there
You knows it!

it surprises me how many people frown on cannabis and choose to kill themselves with alcohol instead...at least i can walk in a straight line, talk properly, remember what happened and not make a total prat of myself every time i go out :)
an you don't get a beer visor an wake up with a pig next to you

never taken, never will

never taken, never will
any particular reason?

the only reason pot is illegal is because of lies made up by the media in the beginning of the century. I think no harm could come out of legalizing it, as good amsterdam is a proof of that

it surprises me how many people frown on cannabis and choose to kill themselves with alcohol instead...at least i can walk in a straight line, talk properly, remember what happened and not make a total prat of myself every time i go out :)
an you don't get a beer visor an wake up with a pig next to you

Thats all well and good but you sound retarded when you're stoned. It is funny making potheads freakout though. Like saying the cops are right outside the door. It's fun to hear a pothead try to have a deep conversation with someone who is sober.

the only reason pot is illegal is because of lies made up by the media in the beginning of the century. I think no harm could come out of legalizing it, as good amsterdam is a proof of that

If memory serves me correctly..Wasn't everyone worried about the Negro's getting high and raping our white womenfolk. Damn that refer madness!

Define illegal... *g* Late at night, sugar should be deemed illegal in my thinking, but then I have to eat prescribed medication that would definitely count as illegal drug without prescription... your pick. :D

Thats all well and good but you sound retarded when you're stoned. It is funny making potheads freakout though. Like saying the cops are right outside the door. It's fun to hear a pothead try to have a deep conversation with someone who is sober.
good point, most drugs have a downside..i don't want to see everything legalised coz i see the damage being done to some close friends, by alcahol also

I never have and I never will. I fear the consequences of toying with my brain chemistry. Don't you? :D

Think I smoked something, but not 100% sure. ;)

I mean the illegal type. Have you?

Absolutely not!

A good fat joint would do a lot of members here the world of good! :D

* "Shut up and smoke that!"
* "Oh... Sorry! I was taking life seriously..."

Nope. I'm surprised how many people apparently haven't.

A good fat joint would do a lot of members here the world of good! :D

* "Shut up and smoke that!"
* "Oh... Sorry! I was taking life seriously..."Shit--I've got a plan for peace in the Middle East that calls for airlifting burning bales of weed and then following it up with airlifts of Twinkies and Papa John's Pizza. By the time everyone came down, the Palestinians and the Israelis would love each other. :D

Nope, never have and don't intend to. Out of almost all my friends I'm almost the only one who hasn't... poor fools...

I just got done eating some brownies that had a bit of a strange taste to them. At first I though it was drugs, but the guy there said that he just sneezed on them.

Shit--I've got a plan for peace in the Middle East that calls for airlifting burning bales of weed and then following it up with airlifts of Twinkies and Papa John's Pizza. By the time everyone came down, the Palestinians and the Israelis would love each other. :D

Do you take campaign contributions? Cause that sure beats the hell out of the Bush&Co. plan. :D

And in reply to the actual question--yes, I have, and would again in the right circumstances.

Alcohol when I was 13 or shortly before. in family surroundings
Tobacco, 13 or 14
Weed 14-15, friends
XTC 16, alone
minor dose of shrooms 20, alone

Out of those I still drink sometimes and smoke every now and then. I actively search them out. If I had the connections I would have done lots of different things.
i'm living proof that winners sometimes do drugs.

i used LSD constantly during high school and graduated first in my class of 350. i have also used pot, shrooms, 2-ct7, cocaine, speed, MDMA, DXM, GHB, and opium, and i just completed bachelors degrees in Biology, Philosophy, and Psychology. i'm in graduate school now, studying for a Ph.D, and i still use alcohol and halucinogens on a fairly regular basis.
Interesting.

Yep.

Speed, E's, Mazzies, Cocaine (don't take it. Not for health reasons. It turns you into a complete dick), LSD, Dope, Shrooms, Alcohol. Ironically the only thing I ever had even the start of a problem with is the booze so I knocked it on the head.

I have quite different experiences of speed to most other people on here, it still remains one of my favourite drugs. This is probably because a) I don't get comedowns off it which makes me atypical to say the least and b) I'm very particular about my suppliers. Street speed is generally cut to buggery with all sorts of crap.

There were hemp seeds in a powerbar of mine once (made in canada of all natural ingredients) :naughty smiley:

Do you take campaign contributions? Cause that sure beats the hell out of the Bush&Co. plan. :D
Maybe I ought to run for office with that as my platform--vote for the three P's party--Pot, Papa John's and Peace!

Thats all well and good but you sound retarded when you're stoned. It is funny making potheads freakout though. Like saying the cops are right outside the door. It's fun to hear a pothead try to have a deep conversation with someone who is sober.
Potheads, stoned or sober (*reaches over and steals more terminology from alcoholics*), sound like that and freak out like that. This is because those that you refer to are stupid. There are many potheads I've encountered who may pause before saying something, or giggle while saying it, but can be just as deep or intellectual when high.

My family is a good example. Yes, the entire thing. Recently, at a family reunion, we had a back porch doobie circle and talked, laughed, played music, etc. But after the buzz faded and the stone set in, we started talking about spirituality, politics, and culture.

So don't assume that someone is stupid if they're smoking pot - some of the most intelligent people I know do so. In moderation. I can't stress that enough where drugs are concerned.

You're right that moderation is the key, Doom Batask, but there's also something to be said for the personality of the user. Can they ensure their personal business is taken care of before they medicate? One of the wisest men I know fires at least one up every single day--and he did it while working a straight job and successfully raising three kids. I've also known people who went completely to shit the second they tried any sort of mind-altering substance--they couldn't handle it. Had just as much intellectual potential as the first example, but couldn't handle it.

I accidentally smoked pot once. I thought it was a cuban cigarre. Well it was, technically, it just had pot in it.

Problem with pot is, and this is coming from an entirely medical background, it is highly addictive, has worse 'altered perception' effects than alcohol and gives a high risk of lung cancer (some studies indicate higher than tobacco smoking). I come from a country where the wacky weed is smoked and grown, illegally by a huge number of people, it is also indicated that in around 1/5 fatal car crashes, the driver is under the influence of said narcotic. Another nice little effect of the drug you won't read about on the internet is it supresses vommiting. When you drink alcohol and smoke pot at the same time, you are running a real risk of alcohol poisoning (it's basically impossible to poison yourself with pot btw) as you're not bringing any of that unhealthy stuff back up, it all stays in the system. At the very least, if you're on a big binge, you're probably going to make your hangover a heck of a lot worse.

No as much as you can say 'everything in moderation', it is a known fact, heck look around NS that 19 people out of 20 are idiots. Such people shouldn't be trusted with anything more dangerous than plastic cutlery, sadly they often are...

There were hemp seeds in a powerbar of mine once (made in canada of all natural ingredients) :naughty smiley:

Superpower07, I hope you know that the THC level in hemp is at such levels that you would need to smoke a joint of it the size of a telephone pole in order to get high. :D

Superpower07, I hope you know that the THC level in hemp is at such levels that you would need to smoke a joint of it the size of a telephone pole in order to get high. :D

Which is why people don't smoke their hemp suites.

What, do you mean today?




it's actually been a sober summer.....dammit......

I don't know names, but several very creidble international organizations, the World Health Organization among them, have admitted that marijuana is less dangerous that alcohol.

People don't get violent when stoned. People who are drunk can get very violent.

And I think this smiley is funny.
:gundge:

Yes ...


"But I didn't inhale."

http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung0304/spezial/Christz/Christz_smileraucher.gif

"Originally Posted by Bill Clinton
"But I didn't inhale."

nor did she swallow.

I don't.

Are you kidding? It would take away from my NS time.

I accidentally smoked pot once. I thought it was a cuban cigarre. Well it was, technically, it just had pot in it.

Problem with pot is, and this is coming from an entirely medical background, it is highly addictive, has worse 'altered perception' effects than alcohol and gives a high risk of lung cancer (some studies indicate higher than tobacco smoking).

please highly addictive my ass. and as far as cancer goes? id rather smoke 1 bowl then 5 ciggerettes. o but thats right nicotine is as addictive as heroine from what i hear. while marijuana? its mental at MOST. you dont get chills and go into withdrawl if you suddenly quit weed. so dont get your medical background from government sites, they are the same ones that said "this is your brain. this is your brain on drugs" and presumed to smash a kitchen with a frying pan.



I come from a country where the wacky weed is smoked and grown, illegally by a huge number of people, it is also indicated that in around 1/5 fatal car crashes, the driver is under the influence of said narcotic.

and when you say some narcotic im presuming alcohal is a narcotic too. so theres 95% of all the accidents


Another nice little effect of the drug you won't read about on the internet is it supresses vommiting. When you drink alcohol and smoke pot at the same time, you are running a real risk of alcohol poisoning (it's basically impossible to poison yourself with pot btw) as you're not bringing any of that unhealthy stuff back up, it all stays in the system. At the very least, if you're on a big binge, you're probably going to make your hangover a heck of a lot worse.

yea suppressing vommiting is bad. say that to the cancer patient on CHEMO and cant keep thier food down.


No as much as you can say 'everything in moderation', it is a known fact, heck look around NS that 19 people out of 20 are idiots. Such people shouldn't be trusted with anything more dangerous than plastic cutlery, sadly they often are...

get yourself out of your high and holy ass. stay away from caffine, thats a drug. are drugs only bad when deemed "illegal"? if not then read about cocaine and who abused that, you probobly consider him a genius. and I hope you dont like music, espessially pink floyd and dave matthews hell lets go with something newer, nirvana stone temple pilots? you like politics? O thats right there was clinton, he smoked pot, although he didnt inhale *cough bullshit cough* and bush, cocaine much? i could list hundreds of famous people ranging from the brilliant, to the wise, to the popular, and the artistic who have used, abused, and still maintained thier high place in society.

jamaican cigarettes :cool:

I accidentally smoked pot once. I thought it was a cuban cigarre. Well it was, technically, it just had pot in it.

Problem with pot is, and this is coming from an entirely medical background, it is highly addictive
actually, marijuana is not physically addictive at all, and has been shown through studies to be less psychologically addictive than chocolate, exercise, and (i'm not making this up) oranges. if your background is entirely medical then i am surprised you are unaware of that.

also, while marijuana smoke is a carcinogen in much the same way that tobacco smoke is, pot smoke has the benefit of being a vasodialator (meaning it causes blood vessels to expand), which often helps relieve respiratory problems. i'm not saying that makes it a good idea to smoke pot, just that pot is medically less dangerous than tobacco.

personally i don't smoke pot often because it mostly just makes me sleepy and hungry. a nice smoke can taste good and be a pleasent way to relax, but it's too expensive for me to manage very often.

[in response to Bottle's earlier admissions of drug use]

Interesting.
interestingly, my drug use is what gave me a leg up when i got to my biochem and orgo classes in college; i never put a drug in my body without knowing what it is chemically and what it acts upon neurologically (this includes prescription drugs), so i have spent a whole lot of my free time learning chemistry and biochem in order to keep up with my medication and my illegal substance interests.

actually, marijuana is not physically addictive at all, and has been shown through studies to be less psychologically addictive than ... oranges. Well, damn, you mean it's the o.j. I jones for in the mornings instead of coffee. :eek:


BTW... good post.

I mean the illegal type. Have you?

I'm taking some right now, while I'm typing...but in a matter of months, it'll be decriminalized, so I guess I'm coming in under the wire...!

A good many of those on the NO list simply *must* have had in-vitro exposure then...

Yeah, but they're really not what they're cracked up to be, so I don't do it. Alcohol on the other hand... :D

Problem with pot is, and this is coming from an entirely medical background, it is highly addictive, has worse 'altered perception' effects than alcohol and gives a high risk of lung cancer (some studies indicate higher than tobacco smoking). I come from a country where the wacky weed is smoked and grown, illegally by a huge number of people, it is also indicated that in around 1/5 fatal car crashes, the driver is under the influence of said narcotic. Another nice little effect of the drug you won't read about on the internet is it supresses vommiting. When you drink alcohol and smoke pot at the same time, you are running a real risk of alcohol poisoning (it's basically impossible to poison yourself with pot btw) as you're not bringing any of that unhealthy stuff back up, it all stays in the system. At the very least, if you're on a big binge, you're probably going to make your hangover a heck of a lot worse.

Excellent, I also have a medical background. That being that half of my family is in the medical field one way or another, and if you took a picture of me, I literally have stacks upon stacks (it's not an oxy-moron) of medical resources behind me. Though I must disagree.

First of all, pot does not cause cancer in and of itself, as a chemical. The process of inhaling smoke can put you at greater risk for lung cancer, but that applies to hard-nosed non-smoking people who work in areas with a lot of smoke.

Secondly, the leaf of a cannabis plant, i.e. marijuana is not addictive in any capacity. THIQ (Tetrahydroisoquinoline; correct me if I misspelled it), a chemical found in the brain, is what you might call the 'addict gene'. Alcohol has been shown to activate the chemical release of THIQ, with more probability of activation in those whose families have a history of alcoholism. This is therefore hereditary.

THIQ's release is what you might know as a craving. It exists and releases from time to time in minor amounts - you might get a craving for chocolate for instance - but does not present a problem normally.

THIQ has also been observed to be activated by some drugs such as cocaine, crack, and heroin. You need to remember at this point that THIQ is not a craving for alcohol; it is a craving. Your mind decides what that craving is.

However, while I believe that it's true that if you believe in something enough it can become reality for you, pot is not one of these drugs. Ask any burnt out hippie who also drank whether it was harder to kick the alcohol or the marijuana, and the answer will always be the same: Alcohol. I say this with confidence because I myself have asked this question of many burnt out hippies, and I always got that same answer.

Third, when you're drunk, the world makes no sense, but YOU make sense. So you either mope about how it doesn't make sense, try to convince people that you're the only thing that makes sense, or become violent. Also, when drunk, you know what's best. Your sight will usually be altered in some way - blurred or otherwise hazy vision, or the world becoming a solid mix of colour.
(This is told from a drunkard's point of view while drunk; I've been there too)

While you're high or stoned - and this is a common trait between the two states marijuana will put you in - you say whatever is on your mind, because you don't think about the consequences of your words. You also find things incredibly amusing. Everything. Your thought processes slow, but your senses remain active and perfectly normal - it merely takes a bit longer for these things to 'register' with your brain.


I have no dispute with the rest. It's true. Any sense altering drug will inhibit driving, as not only are your reaction times slowed, sometimes you see things disproportionately or displaced; so that oncoming car that's 50 feet behind you is actually 5 feet behind you and coming on fast.

Yes, it inhibits vomiting. In some cases, the gag reflex is entirely disfunctional. Another interesting, though rather irrelevant fact: You won't sneeze while under the effects of marijuana. I haven't looked into why yet, but my theory is that it deadens nerves slightly, and in the sinuses, it's enough to stop the sneeze reflex.

It is funny though how many people become your "friends" esp women when they know you're holding a fat bag of white. My lifestyle with my wife was pretty hedonistic back then so she would let me take advantage of some of those offers. But alas we got out of the drugs and swinging days.


I never did like the way I was when that stuff was around. If I have my choice now, I don't even drink. I might smoke some, but that's the end of it these days.

I know what you mean, though. Everybody's your best friend, and you all sit around smiling and waiting to see who will break first, and start the next round.

There's more to life than becoming obnoxious and high as a kite.

Yes, but are you working for Rummsfeld? BTW they didn't call me Hoover for nothing!

PS-Funny story I was at a party in LA back in 77 and who should also be there, John Holmes. He turned out to be a freaking jerk, but he was a drug fiend after all. We hung out for a couple of hours, mainly because I had what he wanted.


So you did a line with John Holmes....

Wow.

Did ya see it?

Shit--I've got a plan for peace in the Middle East that calls for airlifting burning bales of weed and then following it up with airlifts of Twinkies and Papa John's Pizza. By the time everyone came down, the Palestinians and the Israelis would love each other. :D

Here's another good plan! BTW the one soldier looks like a young GW sort of.

LSD in Action (http://www.squizzle.com/movieview.asp?id=1300)

PS-Press the watch movie button.

I was never that weak-minded or so lacking in self-discipline to do drugs... :mad:

So you did a line with John Holmes....

Wow.

Did ya see it?

No we didn't treat him like a circus animal. Besides I didn't want to be green with envy. But he did disappear for a while with two blonds there.

Not really lines, more like letters of the alphabet though quite large and yes several with the king.

If were calling weed a drug, then yes.

Frequently.

In fact, right now even.

But I stop short of anything that has to be put in my nose, or my arm.....
Fuck that.

I was never that weak-minded or so lacking in self-discipline to do drugs... :mad:

I think you're missing the point, Romanohen. Addiction and the medical and psychological reasons behind it aren't so cut and dried. Some people are just naturally disposed to addiction. If there aren't drugs available in their environment, they'll find something else to form a dependence to. It's not about being weak-minded or lacking in self-discipline. Most addicts don't realize it's become a problem until they end up in the hospital or in court being given an order to undergo treatment.

Problem with pot is, and this is coming from an entirely medical background, it is highly addictive
I'm not addicted.

Another nice little effect of the drug you won't read about on the internet is it supresses vommiting. When you drink alcohol and smoke pot at the same time, you are running a real risk of alcohol poisoning (it's basically impossible to poison yourself with pot btw) as you're not bringing any of that unhealthy stuff back up, it all stays in the system.

Realy? It never stopped me from throwing up.

I've never done anything illegal (or drunk anything alcoholic except the foam off beer when I was little).

*but*

it's not for any irrational hatred of drugs. I just seem to have a tendency towards depression or elation (think minor and probably not clinical bi-polar disorder). I don't want to risk taking anything that might a) make the moods worse, b) lower my ability to think rationally and *not*, for example, try to kill myself and c) not too keen on the whole 'escaping problems' thing... because I know they'll still be their when I come down, so it makes no sense to me. So for me it's more a matter of my personality not being compatible with drugs, rather than any sort of Elite-ZOMG-Drugs-Are-For-Idiots complex.

I probably (mis)quote Bill Hicks too much already, but what the hell:

"Take a few grams of dried psylocibin mushrooms and squeegee your third eye!"

Yes.
In chronological order,I have tried-
Marijuana (For probably too long,i.e.on a more or less daily basis since I was 18 until last year)
Speed (Only twice,when I was already loaded,mind you,if I had known where to get good stuff,I probably would have experimented for longer)
Opium (Smoked it once in a nightclub,bit of a mix-up-"H" doesn't stand for hash,I found out later)
Now I don't even smoke cigarettes.
I have been "clean" for a year.
I just have a couple of beers or some wine now & then.
I watch what I eat and exercise daily.
I think it is good to party & experiment for a bit,but just realise that there are natural drugs (endorphins) released when you exercise & eat well,which feel fantastic.
That said,if I had the chance to go back to my teens,I probably still would have partied hard,You only live once.

Here's a couple of articles I dug up on de-mythologising cannabis. Check here for the full story: http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_myth.shtml but here are a couple of salient points that have been drifting around:

CLAIM #4:
MARIJUANA CAUSES LUNG DISEASE
It is frequently claimed that marijuana smoke contains such high concentrations of irritants that marijuana users' risk of developing lung disease is equal to or greater than that of tobacco users.

THE FACTS

Except for their psychoactive ingredients, marijuana and tobacco smoke are nearly identical. 21 Because most marijuana smokers inhale more deeply and hold the smoke in their lungs, more dangerous material may be consumed per cigarette. However, it is the total volume of irritant inhalation - not the amount in each cigarette - that matters.

Most tobacco smokers consume more than 10 cigarettes per day and some consume 40 or more. Regular marijuana smokers seldom consume more than three to five cigarettes per day and most consume far fewer. Thus, the amount of irritant material inhaled almost never approaches that of tobacco users.
Frequent marijuana smokers experience adverse respiratory symptoms from smoking, including chronic cough, chronic phlegm, and wheezing. However, the only prospective clinical study shows no increased risk of crippling pulmonary disease (chronic bronchitis and emphysema).
Since 1982, UCLA researchers have evaluated pulmonary function and bronchial cell characteristics in marijuana-only smokers, tobacco-only smokers, smokers of both, and non-smokers. Although they have found changes in marijuana-only smokers, the changes are much less pronounced than those found in tobacco smokers.
The nature of the marijuana-induced changes were also different, occurring primarily in the lung's large airways - not the small peripheral airways affected by tobacco smoke. Since it is small-airway inflammation that causes chronic bronchitis and emphysema, marijuana smokers may not develop these diseases.

In an epidemiological survey, approximately 1200 subjects gave information on smoking and pulmonary function at two-year intervals. A large percentage of the subjects underwent pulmonary function testing. Although a small group who reported previous marijuana smoking had significant pulmonary abnormalities, current marijuana smokers had no significant reduction in any pulmonary functions.
There are no epidemiological or aggregate clinical data suggesting that marijuana-only smokers develop lung cancer. However, since some bronchial cell changes appear to be pre-cancerous, an increased risk of cancer among frequent marijuana smokers is possible.

Since the pulmonary risks associated with marijuana are related to smoking, the danger is eliminated with other routes of administration. For committed smokers, pulmonary risk might be reduced with higher-potency products, which produce desired psychoactive effects with less inhalation of irritants. Smokers could also be encouraged to abandon deep inhalation and breath-holding, which increase drug delivery only slightly. Finally, pulmonary risk might be reduced if marijuana were smoked in water pipes rather than cigarettes.

CLAIM #8:
MARIJUANA CAUSES BRAIN DAMAGE

Critics state that marijuana has been shown to damage brain cells and that this damage, in turn, causes memory loss, cognitive impairment, and difficulties in learning.

THE FACTS

The original basis of this claim was a report that, upon postmortem examinations, structural changes in several brain regions were found in two rhesus monkeys exposed to THC. Because these changes primarily involved the hippocampus, a cortical brain region known to play an important role in learning and memory, this finding suggested possible negative consequences for human marijuana users.

Additional studies, employing rodents, reported similar brain changes.
However, to achieve these results, massive doses of THC - up to 200 times the psychoactive dose in humans - had to be given . In fact, studies employing 100 times the human dose have failed to reveal any damage.

In the most recently published study, rhesus monkeys were exposed through face-mask inhalation to the smoke equivalent of four to five joints per day for one year. When sacrificed seven months later, there was no observed alteration of hippocampal architecture, cell size, cell number, or synaptic configuration. The authors conclude:
"while behavioral and neuroendocrinal effects are observed during marijuana smoke exposure in the monkey, residual neuropathological and neurochemical effects of marijuana exposure were not observed seven months after the year-long marijuana smoke regimen."
Thus, 20 years after the first report of brain damage in two marijuana-exposed monkeys, the claim of damage to brain cells has been effectively disproven.
No postmortem examinations of the brains of human marijuana users have ever been conducted. However, numerous studies have explored marijuana effect on brain-related cognitive functions. Many employ an experimental design - in which subjects are given marijuana in a laboratory setting, and then compared to controls on a variety of measures involving attention, learning and memory.

In a number of studies, no significant differences were detected. In fact, there is substantial research demonstrating that that marijuana intoxication does not impair the retrieval of information learned previously. However, there is evidence that marijuana, particularly in high doses, may interfere with users' ability to transfer new information into longterm memory.
While there is general agreement that, while under the influence of marijuana, learning is less efficient, there is no evidence that marijuana users - even longterm users - suffer permanent impairment. Indeed, numerous studies comparing chronic marijuana users with non-user controls have found no significant differences in learning, memory recall or other cognitive functions.

i'm living proof that winners sometimes do drugs.

i used LSD constantly during high school and graduated first in my class of 350. i have also used pot, shrooms, 2-ct7, cocaine, speed, MDMA, DXM, GHB, and opium, and i just completed bachelors degrees in Biology, Philosophy, and Psychology. i'm in graduate school now, studying for a Ph.D, and i still use alcohol and halucinogens on a fairly regular basis.

Whoa, DXM is hard...I'd never do that. I want to try straight acid though, it sounds fun.

Whoa! thats a big-ass quote there!
I can sum my post up in one qoute from the late great comedian/philosopher Bill Hicks-
"Every time I think I'm partying too hard,I remember Keith Richards is still alive"

Or Denis Leary-
"Keith Richards says that kids should not do drugs!
Keith,we can't do any drugs because you already fuckin' did 'em all!We have to wait until you die,then smoke your ashes!"

I smoke a lot of cannabis, I have also used, Magic Mushrooms, MDMA, MDA, LSD, Ketamine, Methamphetamine (Speed), experimented with PCP, not recommended. Ummm, that is all I can think of presently and I am currently studying a batchelors degree in History (currently late modern).

Oh yes, and i'll throw in that im studying a double bachelors degree in arts/science. (possibly changing to arts/economics) :p

Many of historys geniuses & luminaries experimented with drugs.
"There are 24 beers in a crate & 24 hrs in a day.Coincidence? I think not!"
-I forget

Thats all well and good but you sound retarded when you're stoned. It is funny making potheads freakout though. Like saying the cops are right outside the door. It's fun to hear a pothead try to have a deep conversation with someone who is sober.

What about when someone is drunk and tries to talk to someon sober.
If your high, yes you can make a foul out of yourself. But at least you don't try and pick fights like most people seem to do when they're drunk

What about when someone is drunk and tries to talk to someon sober.
If your high, yes you can make a foul out of yourself. But at least you don't try and pick fights like most people seem to do when they're drunk

Theres people who can handle it, and people who can't. It's that simple.

Theres people who can handle it, and people who can't. It's that simple.

alcohol or pot?
Hell I take both. Never picked a fight when drunk or high.

Don't do drugs! and I mean any! Not until you know what the side effects are. If after that you still want to take them. Well.....its your choice.

Hell I started smoking cigarettes when I was 16 and pot when I was 15. Done LSD, speed, coke, etc......

If one of you does try pot though, watch out for alcohol. Can have a bugger of a rection. But if you do want to mix, drink then smoke, don't smoke then drink. Most people find the second option harder.

And don't worry if you smoke you won't become like Ozzy or Chich & Chong.

alcohol or pot?
Hell I take both. Never picked a fight when drunk or high.

I meant both actually.

BTW- the first time I tried pot, I was drunk. Virgin smoker + alcohol= POW. I was spacing out to a Nirvana video :D

And don't worry if you smoke you won't become like Ozzy or Chich & Chong.

Do you think the kiddies know who Cheech & Chong are?

Do you think the kiddies know who Cheech & Chong are?

I'm 18 and I do. I've claimed my dad's records :D

I'm 18 and I do. I've claimed my dad's records :D
I'm 19, I certainly wouldn't say an 18 year old is a 'kiddy' ;)

What type of records does he have?

Many of historys geniuses & luminaries experimented with drugs.
"There are 24 beers in a six-pack & 24 hrs in a day.Coincidence? I think not!"
-I forget

Dude, read what you just said and understand why it made me laugh.

I'm 19, I certainly wouldn't say an 18 year old is a 'kiddy' ;)

What type of records does he have?

Ah, OK, I thought you were older for some reason.

He's got a whole heap of Cheech and Chong spoken word albums...I only just discovered them the other week :)

Ah, OK, I thought you were older for some reason.

Really? No one has ever thought that before.

He's got a whole heap of Cheech and Chong spoken word albums...I only just discovered them the other week :)
Niice.

Here's a couple of articles I dug up on de-mythologising cannabis. Check here for the full story: http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_myth.shtml but here are a couple of salient points that have been drifting around:
*snip*
You're my hero.

"There are 24 beers in a six-pack & 24 hrs in a day.Coincidence? I think not!"-I forgetDamn, where do you shop?! :D

ive smoked resin and grass. chances are by the time you teenage years are over 80% of the people you know would have smoked weed at one time in their life. we try and smoke different things for a laugh eg cooked banana skins, monkeynut shells, brown sugar etc. i only smoke weed in social occasions when ones being sent around. ive never bought any and ive never smoked it on my own. why is cannabis illegal when it has no recorded fatalaties and alcohol costs the police and hospitals thousands/milions/billions of ..... (£,$ any other currency) each year?

Im 15, drink, and smoke cannabis regularly, have for almost a year. I don't see why these things fuck everyone else up so badly, I'm still very healthy, regular excersise, play rugby for the county. Im also one of the top in my year at school.

I got legal codeine pills in the Great White North; illegal in the US but very tasty.

Of course i had some undeclared contraband at customs that year!

Otherwise, just let me say: Never smoke a hooka with mouthwash in its chamber. Itmakes your mouth feel all fuzzy
an' yoo tawk funby for daydz.

I don't use any illegal substances. I don't like the idea of being at all out of control of myself, or of having chemicals in me that don't have a medical need to be there (and even with stuff like painkillers I can be quite sparing).

For those who do not take illegal drugs, I would highly suggest seeing if you can learn how to do lucid dreaming, or to at least work on improving your dream recall. That will give you a trippy, but safe experience. :-)

Nope......

I did not even know what beer tasted like until I was old enough to buy my own. I have never smoked a cigarette either.

On the other hand, I have not had so much as a cold in the past 15 years and I have NEVER been late to or missed a day of work in my entire working career.

Ya. IMO Some are worth trying once, but most are not really worth doing again.

I agree

Substances taken:

Cocaine
Crack
LSD
Morphine
2CB
Ecstasy
Ketamine
Amphetamine
Mogadon
Temazepam

That's what I can remember!

And before anyone asks, I've done certain things maybe once or twice and that was enough! nuff said! Trying to knock it all oh the head really but the weekends are soo tempting!

Many of historys geniuses & luminaries experimented with drugs.
"There are 24 beers in a six-pack & 24 hrs in a day.Coincidence? I think not!"
-I forget
Hehe.

The guy that came up with the idea of the structure of DNA said he saw it when he was tripping on acid.

Not to my knowledge

<_<

'If one of you does try pot though, watch out for alcohol. Can have a bugger of a rection. But if you do want to mix, drink then smoke, don't smoke then drink. Most people find the second option harder.'


I have never once found that to be true.

In my experience, getting stoned first and then drinking simply delays and mellows the effect of the alcohol.

Having a spliff when one is already drunk is what really does a person in. In me, it seems to have something to do with the utter lack of control one has when drunk. Suddenly introducing another substance seems to completely set off the alcohol, and, unless one is used to it, often results in copious, yet strangely amusing, vomiting.

Other than that I've only had Ecstasy.

Reading Festival in a few days, though...

Just remember it this way:
Beer then grass, you're on your ass.
Grass then beer, you're in the clear.

Dude, read what you just said and understand why it made me laugh.
D'oh! I meant a crate.
I was on no.24 when I posted that.

Damn, where do you shop?! :D
Let this be a lesson kids.
I meant a crate.D'oh!.

i would never take illegal drugz !! only medicine which iz a drug but never illegal ones... there iz a reason y they r illegal

Cannabis is safe. It's been proven by countless independent studies as being just about the safest thing you can take apart from bloody ginsing blossom!

It's been demonised in the US (and the UK just has to tag along, doesn't it?) because they couldn't think of an efficient way to tax it in the 1930's. They demonised it by creating the 'reefer madness' myth, that negroes and chinese gain the strength of ten men and rape our lovely white ladies under its influence. Um, yeeeeeeess....

Anyone who's done weed knows that it's a big enough task just to get up and change the TV channel when smoking, let alone rape someone. :D

Check my earlier posts for links to source-cited FAQs about the cheeky weed.

I haven't done any illegal drugs before, but I want to try pot. The only thing that stops me is the consequences if my dad finds out.

I mean the illegal type. Have you?

No, but I drink like a mofo.

i would never take illegal drugz !! only medicine which iz a drug but never illegal ones... there iz a reason y they r illegal
Go back to the hellpits of AOL please.

Go back to the hellpits of AOL please.
4m3n.

'If one of you does try pot though, watch out for alcohol. Can have a bugger of a rection. But if you do want to mix, drink then smoke, don't smoke then drink. Most people find the second option harder.'


I have never once found that to be true.

In my experience, getting stoned first and then drinking simply delays and mellows the effect of the alcohol.

Having a spliff when one is already drunk is what really does a person in. In me, it seems to have something to do with the utter lack of control one has when drunk. Suddenly introducing another substance seems to completely set off the alcohol, and, unless one is used to it, often results in copious, yet strangely amusing, vomiting.

Other than that I've only had Ecstasy.

Reading Festival in a few days, though...

Ooh. Instant spinning. Drink, then smoke. Not good. I'd say practice a little moderation in both. At least you can snap out of being stoned, though. If I needed to drive someone to the hospital drunk, we'd both be screwed. If I had to do it stoned, I'd say that I believe I would have a better chance of snapping out of it and doing what needed to be done.

Alcohol is the most dangerous drug we have, at the moment. It's legal, though, and ubiquitous, so people don't see the problem. It's in front of them all the time.

So true... There are a few I think aren't worth ever trying, too...like Ecstasy. It drains your spinal fluid and damages nerve endings.

Rumor #1: MDMA drains your spinal fluid, ruins your back, etc.
Untrue. This urban legend apparently started because some pharmacological studies are done by giving subjects MDMA, then withdrawing cerebrospinal fluid samples for analysis via spinal tap. It is "MDMA research", not "MDMA" that may drain your spinal fluid!

Rumor #2: MDMA causes brain damage similar to Parkinson's disease
Unfortunately the MDMA & Parkinson's issue became much more complicated between 1999 and 2003. Most simply, there is very little evidence that MDMA causes Parkinson's disease and there is evidence to suggest it does not.


First, this rumor was initially cited in the late 1980s because of the confusion between MDMA and MPTP. One of the reasons that Parkinson's is associated in people's minds with "designer drugs" is that in the mid 1980s, a toxic contaminant in a batch of a synthetic analog of Demerol caused massive dopamine-system damage to the users unfortunate enough to try it. Many users started having Parkinson's symptoms and the US Congress rushed to pass the Analogue Drug Laws partially as a result of the media frenzy surrounding this tragedy. The contaminant is called MPTP and more information about this can be found in the Erowid MPTP Vault.


Second, in 1999 the first medical case report of an ecstasy user developing Parkinson's symptoms was reported by Mintzer. Following this case report, there were two additional case reports of ecstasy users who developed Parkinson's-like symptoms (Kuniyoshi 2003, O'Suilleabhain 2003) but none of the reports included any evidence of causal connection. The difficulty here is that there are literally tens of millions of ecstasy users in the U.S. alone, most of them young, and simply finding a small number of these who develop a rare disease cannot be assumed to indicate a causal relationship between the behavior and the disease. This also does not mean there is no connection, simply that it remains very speculative.


Third, in a paper published in 2002 in the prestigous journal Science, one of the key ecstasy brain damage researchers, George Ricaurte, reported that "a single dose of ecstasy" could cause Parkinson's. This 'fact' was trumpeted by virtually every news outlet in the U.S. and was big news. Unfortunately for Dr. Ricaurte, it was soon discovered that he had accidentally given the monkeys methamphetamine instead of MDMA and methamphetamine is a known dopamine neurotoxin. It is important to note, however, that methamphetamine has NOT been found to cause Parkinson's disease, further damaging Ricaurte's credibility. For more information about this, see Major Error in Ecstasy Research, by Erowid.


For an overview of this issue, please see the 2003 paper by Kish: What Is the Evidence That Ecstasy (MDMA) Can Cause Parkinson's Disease?.

Source: http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma_faq.shtml

I don't use any illegal substances. I don't like the idea of being at all out of control of myself, or of having chemicals in me that don't have a medical need to be there (and even with stuff like painkillers I can be quite sparing).

For those who do not take illegal drugs, I would highly suggest seeing if you can learn how to do lucid dreaming, or to at least work on improving your dream recall. That will give you a trippy, but safe experience. :-)

So will weed, so will acid when taken in 'modern' doses.

Late 60s - 70s doses were like 200 - 300 micrograms, now they're usually 25-50 micrograms.

So will weed, so will acid when taken in 'modern' doses.

While that may be true, I personally prefer natural dreaming because in that way I can get all of the fun with none of the risks. The only thing about lucid dreaming, meditation, and other dream-related things is that it'll require some effort on your part if you're not naturally "talented" in dream recall and control. Still, I think it's well worth the work. :)

I'm not telling others what to do here, simply trying to make people aware of the option.

GAh! I never would have though more than 50% of NationStates had done illegal drugs. Good grief! I mean, I'm all for legalization and freedom to do what you want with your body and all that, but I didn't think that it happened THIS MUCH.

GAh! I never would have though more than 50% of NationStates had done illegal drugs. Good grief! I mean, I'm all for legalization and freedom to do what you want with your body and all that, but I didn't think that it happened THIS MUCH.

Being on the Internet, and also given some of the extreme political persuasions I've seen here, it seems to me NationStates probably offers a skewed sample of the general population.

Well yeah, duh, but I mean, even out of an extreme skewer, I didn't expect over 50%. Geez!

I don't do drugs, never seen the point personally, I like reality :p

Anywho, as for legalization... well it is your body and what you do to it in your own home is fine with me. But, the moment it harms or interfers with anyone's "rights" or safety, you have no "right" to do it.

(note the word right is in quations because I hold the opinion that it is in actuality an almost meaningless word)

GAh! I never would have though more than 50% of NationStates had done illegal drugs. Good grief! I mean, I'm all for legalization and freedom to do what you want with your body and all that, but I didn't think that it happened THIS MUCH.

id have thought that the percentage of people would be higher. but im gonna link that to us all being nerds here. and lets admit it fellow nerds, the nerd category that we are in tend to have more mama boys and cautious people in our group then any other group.

...drugs are for the weak tht cant deal with reality...

Yeah, I have and still do smoke weed occasionally.

I did LSD and Acid once.

But never do PCP, scariest thing ever.

Only 52%? Jesus Christ, this forum has a chronic (pun not intended) shortage of weed.

Dumb question. Did u even got drunk? did u even smoke a joint? did u even took some oxies, did u.....?

Just to let people know, I have NEVER taken drugs. I accidentally chose "yes".

weed, morphine, oxycondin, oxycodone, codeine, adderal, paxil, opium, salvia, cocaine, vicadin, percosets, valium. don't have any on me though, in case big brother is watching :-D

Hitler never smoked or drank but by the end of the war he was addicted to prescription drugs, including cocaine.

Holy shit a lot of people have taken drugs. Im surprised kindof.

Yes. And I'm smoking some hashish right now.

not one that should be illegal.


and i'm in a country where it's decriminalized... or did they switch it back? damn confusing legislation caused in part by threats from bush and his idiot friends. american put comes mostly from america.

no. no drugs for this kid. watching other peoples' lives go to waste is enough,thankee.

I'm doing it right now. To quote Cypress Hill, "I love you, Mary Jane."

no. no drugs for this kid. watching other peoples' lives go to waste is enough,thankee.

oh, please, recreational use is not a life going to waste.

i hate how the u.s. government feeds such propaganda to kids. they say "oh yeah, one hit of pot and you're brain damaged and hopelessly addicted" news flash: it doesn't work like that.

pot is as addictive as this message board.

weed, morphine, oxycondin, oxycodone, codeine, adderal, paxil, opium, salvia, cocaine, vicadin, percosets, valium. don't have any on me though, in case big brother is watching :-D

Hitler never smoked or drank but by the end of the war he was addicted to prescription drugs, including cocaine.

You must not be able to deal with reality very well...

oh, please, recreational use is not a life going to waste.

i hate how the u.s. government feeds such propaganda to kids. they say "oh yeah, one hit of pot and you're brain damaged and hopelessly addicted" news flash: it doesn't work like that.

pot is as addictive as this message board.
Well, i guess pot does that to your mind then.

pot is as addictive as this message board.

It is addctive.

Dumb question. Did u even got drunk? did u even smoke a joint? did u even took some oxies, did u.....?

Wow. Am I the only person here who hasn't even TRIED any of these things and doesn't want to?

The only really powerful things I've ever had in my system have been codeine and Percocet, but in both cases only because of surgery or injury--and I didn't even take anywhere near as much as I was supposed to. The second night of the Percocet I flushed that stuff. Made me HORRIBLY dizzy, and I could care less that I'd just had my wisdom teeth out...I had to get RID of it.

To borrow a phrase from Dennis Kucinich, no, but I think they should be legal.

I did a lot of illegal drugs when i was high school and i dont regret it because i know what they do and what its like. Now that im in college, i can just say to myself i dont need it because its a been there done that situation.

You must not be able to deal with reality very well...

apart from weed i've only tried the other stuff a handful of times. everyone has their own opinion on drugs, but i think they arent any more harmful that sitting in front of a computer all day (if you want to talk about not dealing with reality)

no. no drugs for this kid. watching other peoples' lives go to waste is enough,thankee.
yup, i know my life is a total waste since i used drugs. oh wait, no, never mind...i graduated at the top of my class (actually was on three different drugs while giving my valedictory speech, only one of which was prescribed), went to a top-tier college, got three degrees in four years, and started training for my Ph.D. i have a fabulous boyfriend, a great family, and some of the best friends anybody could ever have.

hmm. perhaps Reefer Madness was not being entirely accurate, after all...

I find it very sad that so many people will have a bad experience with drugs or know someone who has used and abused. One of the sadest parts is that most if not all problems caused directly from drug prohibition are caused directly and indirectly by the laws themselves.

Drugs can have many beneficial effects to society, if there is a correct mindset for it. Many people (I know a lot of them) will take a psychodelic drug without any prior understanding of what might happen, and will have a horrible time. They loose the ability to gain the benefits into the understanding of our own personal consiousness and reality just because they are uninformed and uneducated.

People understand, the only reason you are against drugs is because you are being told to be. Smoking and alchohol are statistically as bad for you as any other drug. Go find the studies, the real studies, not just shit like on www.freevibe.com (which doesnt even source their material). This is not a war worth fighting. Its a war against freedom of consiousness and thought.

I tried pot once, but all it did was make me smell bad. A waste of money, I would say drugs. If I need a quick way to feel good, well, I can go into the bathroom with some kleenex

drugs are fine - just dont be stupid about them...

"they" always tell you not to use "gateway" drugs; because if you do, you will realize that they are not all bad and will then take more.

Your body, your choice. God damn government.

I tried pot once, but all it did was make me smell bad. A waste of money, I would say drugs. If I need a quick way to feel good, well, I can go into the bathroom with some kleenex

you sure that wasnt oregano?

yup, i know my life is a total waste since i used drugs. oh wait, no, never mind...i graduated at the top of my class (actually was on three different drugs while giving my valedictory speech, only one of which was prescribed), went to a top-tier college, got three degrees in four years, and started training for my Ph.D. i have a fabulous boyfriend, a great family, and some of the best friends anybody could ever have.

hmm. perhaps Reefer Madness was not being entirely accurate, after all...


"The leaves and berries of the Marijuana plant can be a dangerous and deadly drug."
-Reefer Madness.


You show me a Marijuana Berry, and I'll show you a dangerous drug.


...and then Im gonna make a Pie.

you sure that wasnt oregano?


yeah, cause everyone else got hella high. maybe I just have a higher tolerance so it takes more to do anything for me. oh well, one less thing to spend money on.

21 January 2003

OFFICIAL GAZETTE

COUNCIL OF STATE

FIDEL CASTRO RUZ, President of the
Council of State of the Republic of Cuba.

BE IT KNOWN:
That the Council of State has
agreed upon the following:

WHEREAS: Humanity lives in the silent horror of a real war
that recognizes no borders, generated by the illegal drug
trade that is growing unrestrained as a global threat, that
affects every corner of the planet and hundreds of millions
of addicted users, at the same time that it engenders
violence, corruption, social instability, ungovernability,
insecurity, deterioration of physical and mental health, and
money laundering, among other ills.

WHEREAS: Cuba, as a member of the international community,
also faces ever greater threats and perils from this
phenomenon, as shown by the recent growth in the rate of
use, although minor in comparison with other nations.

WHEREAS: The ownership of houses and lands by citizens is
the result of revolutionary labors benefiting working
people, and it is therefore unacceptable that unscrupulous
people take advantage of these benefits and use them in
activities for profit and personal enrichment to the
detriment of the common well-being and of the moral values
of our society.

WHEREAS: It is well known that on occasions, foreigners
coming to our country are found transporting drugs destined
for other countries and even developing an internal market
for those substances, violating the established regulations
for their stay in this country, organizing their operations
from rented houses, many of which are illegal,

WHEREAS: The struggle against drugs in our country is
consistent with the extraordinary humanist and binding
values that the Revolution has forged, and is part of the
endeavor to constantly dignify the human being and to create
a vital general culture as a real and infinite step in
building a new society. In this confrontation, we will
employ the necessary juridical instruments and continue
utilizing resources despite our economic limitations to
combat international drug trafficking and the incipient
internal market to the death.

WHEREAS: Such serious and harmful acts against the life and
health of the people, especially adolescents and young
people, who are particularly vulnerable to such criminal
behavior, can only be confronted with drastic and exemplary
measures.

WHEREAS: It is equally necessary, within the framework of
the law, to combat with greater rigor and energy other
manifestations of corruption and antisocial conduct that
noticeably affects our society and that involve the use of
houses or s and lands.

THEREFORE: The Council of State, acting on the authority
conferred on it under clause c) of Article 90 of the
Constitution of the Republic, proclaims the following:

LAW-DECREE No. 232 CONCERNING CONFISCATIONS
FOR ACTIONS RELATED TO DRUGS, CORRUPTION,
OR OTHER ILLICIT ACTS.

SECTION I: CONFISCATION OF
HOUSES OR COMMERCIAL SPACES

ARTICLE 1.-The confiscation or loss of the respective rights
to houses or commercial space is authorized for those who:

a) produce, traffic in, acquire, store, consume, hide or by
any other means carry out, directly or indirectly, acts
related to illicit drugs, narcotics, psychotropic substances
or other substances that produce similar effects;

b) engage in acts of corruption, prostitution, trafficking
in prostitutes, procuring, pornography, corruption of
minors, traffic in persons, or similar acts;

ARTICLE 2.1.-Confiscations referred to in the previous
article may be ordered in cases where the legal owner of a
house or commercial space has:

a) rented out the house or commercial space without duly
registering it or, having registered it, failing to inform
the authorities about said rental according to the
established legal procedures;

b) given lodging to a person who commits any of the acts
described in the previous article, providing that the
occasion or circumstances that led to the acts indicate, or
permit the reasonable assumption that the owner had
knowledge of or was an accomplice in such acts;

c) used the house or commercial space or any part of them as
a clandestine discotheque, videoteque, brothel, or for other
purposes in which the acts referred to in the previous
article are practiced.

2.-When the acts mentioned in Article 1 are carried out by a
renter, tenant, or occupant of a house or commercial space,
acting in any of the ways referred to in that article, such
persons shall be deprived of the corresponding rights.

ARTICLE 3.-When appropriate, the Attorney General and the
Minister of the Interior shall inform the Provincial
Director of Housing of the particulars necessary to act in
these cases.

ARTICLE 4.1. - Instructions providing for the confiscation
or loss of rights to a house or commercial space shall be
issued by the Provincial Director of Housing or by the
special municipality Isla de la Juventud, within seven
working days from the date when the acts in question were
first discovered.

2. - Reviews of an instruction referred to in the previous
clause shall only be brought before the President of the
National Institute of Housing. The review shall take place
within three working days following the date of the
notification of the contested instruction, without
interrupting the execution of the confiscation process.

3. - In case of a review, there shall be no administrative
or judicial remedy recognized against the decision handed
down by the President of the National Institute of Housing

ARTICLE 5. - In carrying out the dispositions in the
previous article, the housing authorities shall be assisted
by the National Revolutionary Police to preserve public
order.

ARTICLE 6.- The assets referred to in this section are
understood as any house that serves as permanent or
temporary shelter, as well as the enclosed rooms of which
they form a part, and the spaces, roofs, patios, and,
enclosed gardens contiguous with it or giving access to its
interior..

SECTION II: CONFISCATION OF
LAND AND AGRICULTURAL ASSETS

ARTICLE 7.1.-Consfiscation shall be ordered of lands and
agricultural assets of any owner who:

a) cultivates the cannabis idica, known as marihuana, or
other plants of similar properties;

b) Conceals, transport, or traffics in any type of drugs,
narcotics, psychotropic substances, or substances of similar
effect.

2.-When acts referred to in the previous clause are
committed by a tenant, that person shall forfeit both the
right to use that land as well as the agricultural assets.

3.-Notwithstanding the dispositions in the previous clauses,
assets that are indispensable to satisfy the vital
necessities of the delinquent or of the dependent family
members of the delinquent shall be exempted from
confiscation.

ARTICLE 8.-Confiscation of land and agricultural assets and
the loss of the right of possession of land, will also apply
when the acts referred to in the previous article are
committed by persons who are not the owners, provided that
the occasion or circumstances in which said acts are carried
out permits the reasonable conclusion that the acts were
committed with the knowledge of the owner or the occupant of
the land.

ARTICLE 9.1.-When acts stipulated in Article 7.1 are
committed within the property of an Agricultural Production
Cooperative, the delinquent shall forfeit the corresponding
rights and a heavy economic penalty shall be levied against
the cooperative because of its tolerance, negligence or lack
of vigilance and control over said property.

2.-If the acts occurred at a Basic Unit of Production
Cooperative, the same procedure as indicated in the previous
clause shall be followed.

ARTICLE 10.1.-The order for the confiscation or loss of the
right to possess lands shall be issued by the Land Agent of
the Ministry of Agriculture within a period of seven working
days from the date the acts referred to in Article 7.1 were
discovered.

2. - An order, as mentioned in the previous clause, may be
reviewed only by the Minister of Agriculture.

3.-The review shall take place within three working says
following the date the order was issued but may not
interrupt execution of the confiscation process.

4.-In case of a review, there shall be no administrative or
judicial remedy recognized against the ruling made by the
Ministry of Agriculture.

ARTICLE 11.-For the purposes of this Law-Decree, animals,
facilities, crops, equipment, or tools used in agricultural
production, liquidated assets and mortgage obligations, and
houses are considered agricultural property.

FINAL DISPOSITIONES

FIRST: The dispositions contained in this Law-Decree shall
be applied without prejudice to the penalties that might be
ordered against the accused.

SECOND: Confiscated properties shall be disposed of in the
manner most useful from the socio-economic point of view and
in a timely fashion.

THIRD: The Attorney General of the Republic, in the exercise
of the functions established in Article 127 of the
Constitution of the Republic, shall supervise and manage the
effective and rapid execution of the measures and steps set
forth in this Law-Decree.

FOURTH: The Minster of the Interior, the Minister of
Agriculture, and the President of the National Institute of
Housing shall be authorized to issue the orders and
instructions necessary within their own jurisdiction to
insure the fullest implementation of the terms set forth in
this Law-Decree.

FIFTH: This Law-Decree shall go into effect on the date of
its publication in the Official Gazette of the Republic.
Any law or regulation that conflicts with this Law-Decree
shall be repealed.

GIVEN in the Palace of the Revolution, in the City of
Havana, on the twenty-first day of the month of January
2003. Fidel Castro Ruz

Could not agree more.

yeah, cause everyone else got hella high. maybe I just have a higher tolerance so it takes more to do anything for me. oh well, one less thing to spend money on.


Actually, many people just dont get high off of it the first time they smoke.

Nothing that's illegal in Afghanistan! I think...

oh, please, recreational use is not a life going to waste.

i hate how the u.s. government feeds such propaganda to kids. they say "oh yeah, one hit of pot and you're brain damaged and hopelessly addicted" news flash: it doesn't work like that.

pot is as addictive as this message board.
I beg to differ. I've smoked pot maybe 5 or 6 times, but I've spent hours wasting time at this board. =)

I beg to differ. I've smoked pot maybe 5 or 6 times, but I've spent hours wasting time at this board. =)

True dat!

"The leaves and berries of the Marijuana plant can be a dangerous and deadly drug."
-Reefer Madness.


You show me a Marijuana Berry, and I'll show you a dangerous drug.


...and then Im gonna make a Pie.
yeah, i actually own a copy of Reefer Madness; it sits next to my copy of the 1970s Batman, in the "comedy" section.

being from BC(its a province in canada for the ignorant), we have some of the best weed in the world... its renouned.. and ive gone all through high school without so much as puffin on a joint. and i dont mean to either.. i bet within a 2 block radius of my house there are 6 minor grow ops and i know that the vegitated areas around my city are certainly overwhelmed with the mj. so its certainly not a matter of finding it. i just dont want to, i get too fucked up from my own mind when im sobre. I do however endulge in the odd beer or rum and coke or whiskey and coke. but then again us canadians like our booze.

I've got nothing against them. They're a choice after all. Why not just legalize all of them and charge a tax (as they do already for alcohol)?

this is kinda whats going on in canada at the moment and certainly has been in the works for some time.. at least with cannibis..

pot is as addictive as this message board.

Wow...that's a good call...

Actually, many people just dont get high off of it the first time they smoke.

Odd. Well, I don't plan to waste my money on it anyway. I can't afford expensive habits

do you mean today or ever..... i guess the answer is the same anyway so dont feel obliged to answer.

Yeah I do 'em all the time!
In fact, once I'm finished here I'll immediately go do some more.
I enjoy using them and in my several years of use have had few, if any, ill side effects apart from the hole they burn in my pocket, but I'd just waste that money on somethin' else any way.

Best Drug experience - dose of about twenty Mushrooms - Physical and spiritual revelation of the most divine kind. Anything that can take us back to the garden of eden can't be that bad!
Don't believe in pushing drugs though, it should be a personal choice, without any pressure.

yeah, i actually own a copy of Reefer Madness; it sits next to my copy of the 1970s Batman, in the "comedy" section.
Glad to see there are more fans of this Cinema Classic.
Play it faster!

This may seem crazed, but I drink a martini before I take an exam... I find it keeps me a little more loosely strung and I can think about the exam rather than the panic at not knowing everything. (I know, strange coming from a teacher of nearly 20 years, but we have to continue taking courses to keep up to date.) I managed to stay clean in the 70s despite hanging out with the rest of the neighborhood heads. See, now, I have to stay absolutely clean or face losing my certification... hooray for societal standards :). I know I wouldn't want my kids to go to a class taught by some coked-out addict. Thanks, I need my judgement in tact in case one of my kids pulls a gun out of a backpack and opens fire on the classroom. :eek:

being from BC(its a province in canada for the ignorant), we have some of the best weed in the world... its renouned.. and ive gone all through high school without so much as puffin on a joint.

Uh oh... bad satire song popping into my head! Aaaaah! Stinkin' Napoleon the 16th... (or is it 13th or 14th?)

"I owe a lot to Iowa pot
Iowa raised and ran
I never knew such beautiful boo
Grew in this groovy land I'm in
And I'm indebted indeed
To wonderful weed
Iowa raised and born
Oh, I owe a lot to Iowa pot
And that's not just Iowa corn"

(written because domestic in the US tends to be kind of skunky and flat... not that I'd know.)

I know I wouldn't want my kids to go to a class taught by some coked-out addict. Thanks, I need my judgement in tact in case one of my kids pulls a gun out of a backpack and opens fire on the classroom. :eek:
Agreed - No workplace is suitable for intoxication of any kind - that's why we should all do drugs at home! :D

So true... There are a few I think aren't worth ever trying, too...like Ecstasy. It drains your spinal fluid and damages nerve endings.

"Ecstasy drains your spinal fluid" ? says who? My spinal fluid is just fine. In the UK, aspirin kills more people than ecstasy. probably.

"Ecstasy drains your spinal fluid" ? says who? My spinal fluid is just fine. In the UK, aspirin kills more people than ecstasy. probably.

Haha!

Aspirin is widely abused but I doubt it kills more than E.

"Ecstasy drains your spinal fluid" ? says who? My spinal fluid is just fine. In the UK, aspirin kills more people than ecstasy. probably.

Wouldn't mind getting a source for THAT. I suppose there is some report of the horrid dangers of asprin. You don't here people dropping dead of taking that other than the people many of them teenagers who die of ecstasy. I don't think you have to worry about your heart beating out of you chest from an asprin.

Rumor #1: MDMA drains your spinal fluid, ruins your back, etc.
Untrue. This urban legend apparently started because some pharmacological studies are done by giving subjects MDMA, then withdrawing cerebrospinal fluid samples for analysis via spinal tap. It is "MDMA research", not "MDMA" that may drain your spinal fluid!

Rumor #2: MDMA causes brain damage similar to Parkinson's disease
Unfortunately the MDMA & Parkinson's issue became much more complicated between 1999 and 2003. Most simply, there is very little evidence that MDMA causes Parkinson's disease and there is evidence to suggest it does not.


First, this rumor was initially cited in the late 1980s because of the confusion between MDMA and MPTP. One of the reasons that Parkinson's is associated in people's minds with "designer drugs" is that in the mid 1980s, a toxic contaminant in a batch of a synthetic analog of Demerol caused massive dopamine-system damage to the users unfortunate enough to try it. Many users started having Parkinson's symptoms and the US Congress rushed to pass the Analogue Drug Laws partially as a result of the media frenzy surrounding this tragedy. The contaminant is called MPTP and more information about this can be found in the Erowid MPTP Vault.


Second, in 1999 the first medical case report of an ecstasy user developing Parkinson's symptoms was reported by Mintzer. Following this case report, there were two additional case reports of ecstasy users who developed Parkinson's-like symptoms (Kuniyoshi 2003, O'Suilleabhain 2003) but none of the reports included any evidence of causal connection. The difficulty here is that there are literally tens of millions of ecstasy users in the U.S. alone, most of them young, and simply finding a small number of these who develop a rare disease cannot be assumed to indicate a causal relationship between the behavior and the disease. This also does not mean there is no connection, simply that it remains very speculative.


Third, in a paper published in 2002 in the prestigous journal Science, one of the key ecstasy brain damage researchers, George Ricaurte, reported that "a single dose of ecstasy" could cause Parkinson's. This 'fact' was trumpeted by virtually every news outlet in the U.S. and was big news. Unfortunately for Dr. Ricaurte, it was soon discovered that he had accidentally given the monkeys methamphetamine instead of MDMA and methamphetamine is a known dopamine neurotoxin. It is important to note, however, that methamphetamine has NOT been found to cause Parkinson's disease, further damaging Ricaurte's credibility. For more information about this, see Major Error in Ecstasy Research, by Erowid.


For an overview of this issue, please see the 2003 paper by Kish: What Is the Evidence That Ecstasy (MDMA) Can Cause Parkinson's Disease?.

Source: http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma_faq.shtml

What he said.

Extremely prolonged use of cocaine can cause Parkinsons-like symptoms when the dopamine L-dopa system in the brain breaks down. I've seen lots of long term heavily loved up people and none of them got the shakes.

In my experience, I think it might cause mild depression or not even that, maybe mild joylessness, after long term use, like it has burned out your fun muscle. But maybe I just hang out with miserable people. I like the smiths and radiohead.

Wouldn't mind getting a source for THAT. I suppose there is some report of the horrid dangers of asprin. You don't here people dropping dead of taking that other than the people many of them teenagers who die of ecstasy. I don't think you have to worry about your heart beating out of you chest from an asprin.

I can't find a source at present, but it is generally quoted on R4 that there have been about 50 "ecstasy-related" deaths in the UK. This figure includes people like Leah Betts who died of hydrocephalus (worried about dehydrating, she actually overdosed on water) and people who crash their cars or fall out of windows while Ed up. The last police estimates I heard were in the mid 90s, but they were that around 1 million Es are downed every week. I'm sure E is less popular now, even though it is dirt cheap. It may just be me - now a responsible adult with responsibilities, I can't afford the time to do drugs.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2159470.stm says ecstasy deaths are up to 40 a year in 2001, and links to another article that says they are 56 deaths for 500,000 tablets in a year

http://www.medicalprotection.org/medical/united_kingdom/publications/casebook/2004_3_adverse.aspx cites a study which claims that over 10,000 people a year will die of adverse drug reactions to medical drugs in NHS hospitals in the UK each year. Aspirin was involved in 17 out of the 28 deaths in the study, so extrapolated to the probable 10,000 deaths in the uk as a whole, that would about 6000 deaths per year.

So the score is:
Aspirin 6000 Ecstasy 56.

I was almost put off by 2 pages of people competing to have the youngest age at which they commenced drinking. The GREAT MAJORITY of teenagers drink, it's nothing to boast about. Neither is laying your workmates open to losing their jobs because you think it's cool to drink.

ANYWAY.

I have had:
blow (more or less every day)
pills (on about 10 different occasions, so not regularly- I've never had a bad experience with them)
cocaine
mushrooms

In addition to this, I drink alcohol, probably averaging twice a week, and I've taken a variety of painkillers not prescribed to me.

I have found all my worst experiences have involved alcohol. It's more likely to make me sick, more likely to make me do regrettable things, and more likely to make me feel down while under its influence.

I respect people who have no desire to try drugs- that's a personal choice, and sometimes there can be an awful lot of pressure. However, I ABSOLUTELY REFUTE the idea that everyone who does use drugs is weak, and has caved into some kind of peer pressure. I also refute the idea that taking drugs will inevitably lead to one's demise. While I can't claim such acheivements as Bottle, I'd compare myself to her. I took a combination of cannabis, alcohol and occasionally ecstasy and cocaine throughout the last academic year. I also took more classes than the other students, and passed with grades better than anyone I know. To me, it's all about knowing your limits, and then knowing how far you can push them.

Yeah, the only bad drug experiences i've had were with alcohol. It's certainly just as dangerous as most other illicit drugs.

I have a feeling that Es are probably more popular now than in the nineties...I know quite a few people that do them and most of them are outside the general stoner crowd...Still...I might be wrong...I'm pretty stoned as I right this so I can't be bothered checking...

Yah.

I have a feeling that Es are probably more popular now than in the nineties...I know quite a few people that do them and most of them are outside the general stoner crowd...Still...I might be wrong...I'm pretty stoned as I right this so I can't be bothered checking...
I'd say your write, almost half the e-heads I know don't even smoke pot, the pussies, and it's still getting more popular amonst the youth - No doubt about it!

I'd say your write, almost half the e-heads I know don't even smoke pot, the pussies, and it's still getting more popular amonst the youth - No doubt about it!

given that it is 120 times safer than aspirin, i'm not surprised

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2159470.stm says ecstasy deaths are up to 40 a year in 2001, and links to another article that says they are 56 deaths for 500,000 tablets in a year

http://www.medicalprotection.org/medical/united_kingdom/publications/casebook/2004_3_adverse.aspx cites a study which claims that over 10,000 people a year will die of adverse drug reactions to medical drugs in NHS hospitals in the UK each year. Aspirin was involved in 17 out of the 28 deaths in the study, so extrapolated to the probable 10,000 deaths in the uk as a whole, that would about 6000 deaths per year.

So the score is:
Aspirin 6000 Ecstasy 56.

The UK is hardly the US. Hell of a lot more than 56 deaths.

I don't use any illegal substances. I don't like the idea of being at all out of control of myself, or of having chemicals in me that don't have a medical need to be there (and even with stuff like painkillers I can be quite sparing).Yeah, that's exactly what I think. I've never done drugs, and never will. There's just no real reason to do so, and I'm not going to expose myself to danger just to have a little 'fun'.

It is addctive.

Yes, the message board is addictive. :wink:

THC is one of the least addictive drugs known to man.

No, never. And I never would.

Cannabis and Magic Mushrooms.

There is an interestin article in New Scientist this week about how animals (including humans) are drawn to take drugs that change thier reality, especially if they are in surroundings that deprive them of sensory stimulation. It seems it may be natural to want stop the normal reality and see the world in a different light; I mean, how can we tell if this is our true reality if a few molecules of chemical can totally change our view of the world. Is the way we see things just the best way for survival rather than what the world is really like.

pot is as addictive as this message board.

Damn I love that quotation. :D

drugs fuck with your brain, and that's not high on my list of good things.

drugs fuck with your brain, and that's not high on my list of good things.

Not always, if they are used sensibly and not done to excess. Of course LSD and such can leave imprints on your brain, but they are not "natural" drugs anyway, they are highly concentrated and man produced. People have been using drugs for millenia, coca leaes are used in the Andes to stave off altitude sickness for example.

Also, caffiene "fucks with your brain", biologically speaking anyway; it is addictive and changes the balance of chemicals in the brain and therefore alters your reality (even if only slightly). Same with alcohol (which is worse than many illegal substances in many cases).

i ve tried drugs before but they not so great. and there not that addictive either. people who are addicted have no will power just to stop

I've taken: ketamine, marijuana, and ecstacy. I've only taken ecstacy once, ketamine 3 times, and smoked marijuana 5-6 time....

i ve tried drugs before but they not so great. and there not that addictive either. people who are addicted have no will power just to stop
lol, what drugs have you taken? if you claim that heroine, opium, or crack are not addictive then that simply means you haven't taken them and don't know anybody who has :).

Wow, its exactly tied 153-153. I knew it would be close, but not that close. It's no for me. I currently run cross country and track and i can't have anything slowing me down if I want to make it to state. Not that I'd try it otherwise.

no, and I never plan to