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Jewish Power in America [Merged with other Nazi threads]

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Tenete Traditiones
16-08-2004, 03:42
After twisting so many threads into a a topic of Jewish power, perhaps we should get the facts about who really controls America...

In America, the media and the corrupt political scene dominate.
First off, the media, the most powerful branch of America's controlling elite, is almost 100% Jewish-controlled. Jews love to cry out "Ted Turner" when refuting this argument yet that is very weak as Turner could not be more of a Jewish slave. Jews control every thing else in the US Media. Here's a list.

Jewish-owned media outlets:
Walt Disney Company(including Touchstone/BuenaVista),CEO Michael Eisner, Jew
Walt Disney Picture Company(incl. ABC), Joe Roth, Jew
Miramax Films, Weinstein brothers, both Jews
Time Warner Inc., Gerald Levin, Jew
Viacom Inc.(incl. CBS, MTV), Murray Rothstein(aka Sumner Redstone), Jew
Paramount Pictures, Sherry Lansing, Jewess
News Corporation(incl. Fox) TV & Movie production headed by Peter Chernin, Jew
Sony Corporation of America,Michael Schulhof, Jew
Sony Pictures Alan Levine, Jew
New World Entertainment, owner Ronald Perelman, Chairman Brandon Tartikoff, Jews
DreamWorks SKG, David Geffen, Jeffrey Katzenberg, Steven Spielberg, Jews
MCA/Universal Pictures Edgar Bronfman (president of World Jewish Congress), Jew
Newsweek/ Washington Post Katherine Meyer Graham, Jewess
U.S. News & World Report/ NY Daily News Mortimer Zuckerman, Jew
Random House Publishing Newhouse, Jew
NBC News, Andrew Lack, Jew
Newhouse Media, incl. 26 newspapers, led by Newhouse family Jews
New York Times/ Boston Globe + 32 other newspapers, Arthur Ochs Sulzberger, Jr., Jew
Wall Street Journal Peter Kann, Jew
The following are some of their subsidaries:
Time Magazine
MTV
Nickelodeon
Prentice Hall
Simon & Schuster
Warner Books
Little, Brown
Disney Channel
HBO
Showtime
CNN
Fox News
ABC
NBC
CBS

Jewish Hollywood Actors and Actresses, and other "Celebrities":
Too many to list here. Jewish Actors and Actresses (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jews#Actors_.2F_Actresses) Just scroll down the list to see Jewish Comedians, hollywood bosses, famous criminals, spies, and political leaders.

Next up is the government, in which jews also are overrepresented.
We'll start with the Jews in the Bush Administration:
Ari Fleischer (2001-2003) White House Press Secretary
Josh Bolten Deputy Chief of Staff
Ken Melman White House Political Director
David Frum (2001-2002) Speechwriter
Brad Blakeman White House Director of Scheduling
Dov Zakheim (2001-2004) Undersecretary of Defense (Controller)
Paul Wolfowitz Deputy Secretary of Defense
I. Lewis Libby Chief of Staff to the Vice President
Adam Goldman (2001-2003) White House Liaison to the Jewish Community
Tevi Troy (2003-2004) White House Liaison to the Jewish Community
Noam Neusner (2004-) White House Liaison to the Jewish Community
Chris Gersten Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary, Administration for Children and Families at HHS
Elliott Abrams Director of the National Security Council's Office for Democracy, Human Rights and International Operations
Mark D. Weinberg Assistant Secretary of Housing and Urban Development for Public Affairs
Douglas Feith (2001- ) Under Secretary of Defense for Policy
Michael Chertoff Head of the Justice Department's criminal division
Daniel Kurtzer Ambassador to Israel
Cliff Sobel Ambassador to the Netherlands
Stuart Bernstein Ambassador to Denmark
Nancy Brinker Ambassador to Hungary
Frank Lavin Ambassador to Singapore
Ron Weiser Ambassador to Slovakia
Mel Sembler Ambassador to Italy
Martin Silverstein Ambassador to Uruguay
Jay Lefkowitz (2001-2004) Deputy Assistant to the President and Director of the Domestic Policy Council
Blake Gottesman President's personal aide
John Miller Director, State Department Office to Monitor and Combat Trafficking in Persons

Then the Jews who make up 20% of Congress, yet make up 2% of the U.S. population. How could they possibly be representative of a Gentile Nation?
Jews in the 108th Congress:

SENATE (9 Democrats, 2 Republicans)
Barbara Boxer (D-CA)
Norm Coleman (R-MN) - newly elected
Russell Feingold (D-WI)
Dianne Feinstein (D-CA)
Herb Kohl (D-WI)
Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ) - newly elected, previously served
Joe Lieberman (D-CT)
Carl Levin (D-MI) - re-elected
Charles Schumer (D-NY)
Arlen Specter (R-PA)
Ron Wyden (D-OR)

HOUSE (25 Democrats, 1 Republican)
Gary Ackerman (D-NY)
Shelly Berkley (D-NV)
Howard Berman (D-CA)
Eric Cantor (R-VA)
Benjamin Cardin (D-MD)
Susan Davis (D-CA)
Peter Deutsch (D-FL)
Rahm Emanuel (D-IL) - newly elected
Eliot Engel (D-NY)
Bob Filner (D-CA)
Barney Frank (D-M)
Martin Frost (D-TX)
Jane Harman (D-CA)
Steve Israel (D-NY)
Tom Lantos (D-CA)
Sander Levin (D-MI)
Nita Lowey (D-NY)
Jerrold Nadler (D-NY)
Steve Rothman (D-NJ)
Bernard Sanders (I-VT)
Jan Schakowsky (D-IL)
Adam Schiff (D-CA)
Brad Sherman (D-CA)
Henry Waxman (D-CA)
Anthony Weiner (D-NY)
Robert Wexler (D-FL)

Presidential Candidate John Kerry (Kohn) is also of Jewish descent.


Though left-wing censors would love to dismiss this as "neo-nazism," that does not refute facts presented here. Idiotic jokes about "anti-Semitism" are not needed. This is simply a resource to refer to when someone ridiculously claims that the media is not Jewish-controlled. That's all for now.
Purly Euclid
16-08-2004, 03:48
I'm thrilled with the number of Jews in the media and government. It promotes diversity.
CSW
16-08-2004, 03:51
This proves what again?
Trotterstan
16-08-2004, 03:53
talent, drive, determination. Maybe if you exhibited the same traits then you would own a major media conglomerate too.
RaidersNation
16-08-2004, 03:54
Why is being Jewish a crime?
Zeppistan
16-08-2004, 03:54
All those Jewish Democrats... and still the Republican party backs Israel to the wall as well....even when run by an oilman with long-standing ties to the Muslin world

In other words, your point seems.... pointless.
THE LOST PLANET
16-08-2004, 03:59
So what? First you have to prove to me that all these people you name are in fact jewish, I mean practicing jews not just of jewish decent. And I can't help but notice that you say these are jew owned companies and you list CEO's as proof. Guess what, CEO's don't necessarily own a company. You'd have to list all the stockholders and prove they're jewish to say that they're jew owned. As for your beef with (your claim) 20% of congress being jewish, America is not a gentile country as you state. Sure 75% of America is Christian, but that majority is made up of a dozen sects, many that view each other with suspicion and that still leaves 25% of the population who are not christian. Not everyone judges a candidate on their religion, many feel it is incidental. Get over the jewish conspiracy crap, we've heard it all before.
Malconiva
16-08-2004, 04:06
Apparently daddy came home drunk a few too many times to your trailer park and told you how life would be so much better if the Jews didn't rule the world. If only crackers like yourself would try and do something with your own life instead of blaming your pitiful existence and the fact that you will never amount to anything on a group of people.

I really feel bad for you that the way you explain to yourself why your life is meaningless is by making up theories on who is to blame, when the only person to blame is yourself.
QahJoh
16-08-2004, 04:12
Paramount Pictures, Sherry Lansing, Jewess

Just a tip: "Jewess" is sort of passe right now. Female Jews are just that, Jews. Using "Jewess" is about as archaic as calling Jews "Hebrews".

Jewish Hollywood Actors and Actresses, and other "Celebrities":
Too many to list here. Jewish Actors and Actresses (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jews#Actors_.2F_Actresses) Just scroll down the list to see Jewish Comedians, hollywood bosses, famous criminals, spies, and political leaders.

What does this "prove"? So there are many Jewish actors and actresses. So?

We'll start with the Jews in the Bush Administration:

That's dishonest. How many THOUSANDS of people make up "the Bush administration"? How many ambassadors does the US have? And some of those picks are just stupid. Wow, the White House Liasons to the Jewish community were Jewish. Holy shit! Alert the media.

Then the Jews who make up 20% of Congress

Says who? Cite a source.

[How could they possibly be representative of a Gentile Nation?

The fact that they have been ELECTED by Gentiles shows that they are believed by their constituents to be representative of them and their interests. You seem to be implying that a person in government cannot represent someone different than them. Under that logic, California should not be allowed to have two female Senators, since 138 million Californians are male, and clearly, they are not being properly represented by women.

Jews in the 108th Congress:

SENATE (9 Democrats, 2 Republicans)

9 + 2 = 11. There are 100 Senators. 11 out of 100 is NOT 20 percent. Strike one.

HOUSE (25 Democrats, 1 Republican)

25 + 1 = 26. There are 435 Reps in the House. 26 out of 435 is nowhere near 20 percent. Strike two.

Let's recap. You claimed that Jews make up 20% of Congress. According to this website, which is hosted on the official House of Reps server: http://www.house.gov/fattah/features/faq.htm, there are 535 members of Congress. 20% of 535 is 107. Assuming all the people you have named as Jews actually ARE Jews (and that's a big leap), you stil only have 37. According to YOUR OWN NUMBERS, Jews in fact make up only 6 % of Congress.

Congratulations, you are a GIGANTIC MORON. :upyours:

Presidential Candidate John Kerry (Kohn) is also of Jewish descent.

So what? You're acting as if it's a crime to be Jewish and run for public office.

Though left-wing censors would love to dismiss this as "neo-nazism," that does not refute facts presented here.

You mean "facts" like 37 being 20% of 535? :rolleyes:
Tenete Traditiones
16-08-2004, 04:18
So what? First you have to prove to me that all these people you name are in fact jewish, I mean practicing jews not just of jewish decent. And I can't help but notice that you say these are jew owned companies and you list CEO's as proof. Guess what, CEO's don't necessarily own a company. You'd have to list all the stockholders and prove they're jewish to say that they're jew owned. As for your beef with (your claim) 20% of congress being jewish, America is not a gentile country as you state. Sure 75% of America is Christian, but that majority is made up of a dozen sects, many that view each other with suspicion and that still leaves 25% of the population who are not christian. Not everyone judges a candidate on their religion, many feel it is incidental. Get over the jewish conspiracy crap, we've heard it all before.
First of all, Jews are a race, not a religion. Jewish descent is all that makes someone a Jew. Secondly, CEOs are in that position because Jews within the company can get them there. CEOs are the best way to tell who runs the company as listing the entire leadership of the company is unreasonable. In the Media, the few Jewish elite leaders have much more say about what gets released to the public than the average shareholder.

Your third point lacks such sense...
America is 98% Gentile.
If you believe that America is not a Gentile nation then it would seem you are advocating oligarchy by the 2% of Jews.
In case you didnt realize, being a Christian is not required to be a Gentile- anyone who is not a Jew can refer to themselves as that.
QahJoh
16-08-2004, 04:24
First of all, Jews are a race, not a religion. Jewish descent is all that makes someone a Jew.

That is not true, as I have already stated repeatedly in this thread: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=6793459#post6793459

Your third point lacks such sense...
America is 98% Gentile.

That is not what THE LOST PLANET said. His/Her post referred only to the number of CHRISTIANS in America, not Gentiles.

If you believe that America is not a Gentile nation then it would seem you are advocating oligarchy by the 2% of Jews.

What constitutes a "Gentile nation"?

In case you didnt realize, being a Christian is not required to be a Gentile- anyone who is not a Jew can refer to themselves as that.

In case you didn't realize, your "Gentile" tangent has no relation to what THE LOST PLANET wrote.
CSW
16-08-2004, 04:27
Actually Jews make up 17%. Combining the Houses at 535 is imbalanced.
11 Senators out of 100 is 11% alone.
26 Reps. out of 435 is 6% alone.
So that would make Jews 17% of Congress at 2% of the population.

I stand corrected by 3 percent. Now move on.
What?

Did that make any sense at all to anyone, or am I just alone?
Tenete Traditiones
16-08-2004, 04:30
\That is not what THE LOST PLANET said. His/Her post referred only to the number of CHRISTIANS in America, not Gentiles.

What constitutes a "Gentile nation"?

In case you didn't realize, your "Gentile" tangent has no relation to what THE LOST PLANET wrote.

LOST PLANET said America was not a Gentile nation. I corrected him based on the assumption that 98% should have control over their country if this is truly a Republic. You may disagree. His "Christian tangent" had no relation to anything I wrote and I am not discussing the percentage of Christians in America as it lacks relevance in this thread.
Linda Pachamama
16-08-2004, 04:31
Apparently daddy came home drunk a few too many times to your trailer park and told you how life would be so much better if the Jews didn't rule the world. If only crackers like yourself would try and do something with your own life instead of blaming your pitiful existence and the fact that you will never amount to anything on a group of people.

I really feel bad for you that the way you explain to yourself why your life is meaningless is by making up theories on who is to blame, when the only person to blame is yourself.

And apparently you are yet another number on the idiots who jump on the "anti-semitic" accusation wagon. I don't know if the guy who started this thread is anti-semitic and frankly I don't care if he is.

He made an important point when indicating the power the Jewish Lobby has in America, which is directly related to one of the biggest problems we have today. So Please, "Malconiva" . . . Try to be more original. Are you an angry right-wing Jew, or the regular ignorant citizen?
CSW
16-08-2004, 04:31
LOST PLANET said America was not a Gentile nation. I corrected him based on the assumption that 98% should have control over their country if this is truly a Republic. You may disagree. His "Christian tangent" had no relation to anything I wrote and I am not discussing the percentage of Christians in America as it lacks relevance in this thread.
And they do? Imagine that...
Bodies Without Organs
16-08-2004, 04:32
What?

Possibly it is 'Aryan maths' unfettered by such Jewish traits as accuracy or consistency.
Mentholyptus
16-08-2004, 04:33
TT still hasn't made any point, other than that Jews in America have been successful. So? Indians have been very successful in medicine, that doesn't imply anything sinister at all. Just that there's a lot of Indian doctors. In the same vein, all that you have (sort of, as QahJoh pointed out) proven is that there are a lot of Jewish executives and politicians. Does it matter? Nope.
I concur with QahJoh in saying: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/images/smilies/upyours.gif
Saritaville
16-08-2004, 04:35
There is no point to what you just said. What is wrong with people from all different religions involved in our lives?
Bodies Without Organs
16-08-2004, 04:36
Actually Jews make up 17%. Combining the Houses at 535 is imbalanced.
11 Senators out of 100 is 11% alone.
26 Reps. out of 435 is 6% alone.
So that would make Jews 17% of Congress at 2% of the population.

I stand corrected by 3 percent. Now move on.

By this reasoning we can also state that 100% of all people in the two houses are senators...

100 senators out of 100 is 100% alone.
0 representatives out of 435 is 0% alone.

So that would make senators 100% of congress.
THE LOST PLANET
16-08-2004, 04:36
Actually Jews make up 17%. Combining the Houses at 535 is imbalanced.
11 Senators out of 100 is 11% alone.
26 Reps. out of 435 is 6% alone.
So that would make Jews 17% of Congress at 2% of the population.

I stand corrected by 3 percent. Now move on.So you're adding 11% and 6% to get 17%? Well we all had suspicions you were an idiot. You just opened your mouth and removed all doubt.
QahJoh
16-08-2004, 04:37
Tenete Traditiones- your math is incorrect, and I'd love you to address my other points- particularly as to what you mean by "Gentile nation".

Tenete Traditiones
Actually Jews make up 17%. Combining the Houses at 535 is imbalanced.
11 Senators out of 100 is 11% alone.
26 Reps. out of 435 is 6% alone.
So that would make Jews 17% of Congress at 2% of the population.

I stand corrected by 3 percent. Now move on.

What?

Did that make any sense at all to anyone, or am I just alone?

Nope, it's bullshit. The Congress has 535 people in it. There are only 37 Jews. Tenete Traditiones is trying to use proportionality to fuck with the math. While one COULD say that Jews make up 11% of the Senate and 6% of the House, it's completely wrong to combine THOSE PERCENTAGES. Jews are NOT 17% of Congress.

Further, Tenete Traditiones has yet to answer the issue of WHY Jews can't represent Gentiles in government.
CSW
16-08-2004, 04:38
By this reasoning we can also state that 100% of all people in the two houses are senators...

100 senators out of 100 is 100% alone.
0 representatives out of 435 is 0% alone.

So that would make senators 100% of congress.
Bravo. I bow in favor of your brilliance.
HadesRulesMuch
16-08-2004, 04:38
Apparently daddy came home drunk a few too many times to your trailer park and told you how life would be so much better if the Jews didn't rule the world. If only crackers like yourself would try and do something with your own life instead of blaming your pitiful existence and the fact that you will never amount to anything on a group of people.

I really feel bad for you that the way you explain to yourself why your life is meaningless is by making up theories on who is to blame, when the only person to blame is yourself.

You have no right insinuating he is racist, prejudiced, hateful, or anything else when you refer to white people as "crackers." I am white, and I personally don't appreciate people referring to caucasians as "crackers." I don't even care if YOU are white. I believe this promotes racial prejudice, just as african-americans referring to themselves as "niggers" promotes racial prejudice. The last time someone called me a "cracker" to my face, I punched the living shit out of him. If you are going to comment on this misguided fool's post, then do it without insulting another race.
Asshole.

EDIT: The term Gentile refers (according to Jewish belief) to anyone who is not a Jew. Therefore, in a nation where most of the population is not composed of Jews, that nation would be considered a Gentile nation. Although referring to the US as a Gentile nation does sound stupid.
IDF
16-08-2004, 04:39
Actually Jews make up 17%. Combining the Houses at 535 is imbalanced.
11 Senators out of 100 is 11% alone.
26 Reps. out of 435 is 6% alone.
So that would make Jews 17% of Congress at 2% of the population.


OMFG!!!! It seems you can't do simple math, here's an idea, add 11 and 26 and then add 100 to 435, divide 37 over 535. It's real simple, it's called 3rd grade math

It seems to me that the reason you aren't suceeding and are stuck in a trailer park is not because Jews controling the World, but your ignorance.
Letila
16-08-2004, 04:40
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v193/eddy_the_great/data.jpg
I've said it once and I'll say it again:
Berkman!

What about anime? Is that controlled by the Jews? That's really all I watch on TV besides Star Trek.

Finally, if the Jews really control the media, then, as a race, they must be the worst writers in existance. Any race who could create reality TV must be terrible at creativity. With that in mind, why should I be scared of them? I don't think they control the media, at least not if they are half as dangerous as you make them out to be.

If the white race is so great, then why don't they control the media and give us much better entertainment? I personally think that with exception of sci-fi and anime writers, humans in general just aren't good at writing. Those that control the media produce junk and those that don't control it can't write anything remotely good enough to threaten control of the media.
QahJoh
16-08-2004, 04:40
OMFG!!!! It seems you can't do simple math, here's an idea, add 11 and 26 and then add 100 to 435, divide 37 over 535. It's real simple, it's called 3rd grade math

It seems to me that the reason you aren't suceeding and are stuck in a trailer park is not because Jews controling the World, but your ignorance.

And here I always thought I broke the stereotyopes that Jews were good at math...

I guess everything's relative. ;)
Tenete Traditiones
16-08-2004, 04:40
So you're adding 11% and 6% to get 17%? Well we all had suspicions you were an idiot. You just opened your mouth and removed all doubt.
Nope, it's bullshit. The Congress has 535 people in it. There are only 37 Jews. Tenete Traditiones is trying to use proportionality to fuck with the math. While one COULD say that Jews make up 11% of the Senate and 6% of the House, it's completely wrong to combine THOSE PERCENTAGES. Jews are NOT 17% of Congress.

The Senate and House of Representatives are seperate Houses.
Combining them would be disproportionate to their votes.
QahJoh
16-08-2004, 04:41
You have no right insinuating he is racist, prejudiced, hateful, or anything else

But I do. He's all of the above. Check his posts.

Also, apparently math-illiterate.
CSW
16-08-2004, 04:41
The Senate and House of Representatives are seperate Houses.
Combining them would be disproportionate to their votes.
Once again, what?
Mentholyptus
16-08-2004, 04:41
I guess everything's relative. ;)
Was that an Einstein pun? Pleeeeeaaasssee let it be an Einstein pun. :D
IDF
16-08-2004, 04:43
Here is a point of refutation, most media sources like CNN are actually biased against Israel and won't call Arafat a terrorist. The only media outlet that does call him a terrorist and really slant the news towards Israel (which isn't bad and is part of why I watch them) is NewsCorp (Fox News Channel) and that is owned by Rupert Murdoch who is not Jewish, but rather a very religious Christian Australian.

Also, the people in Congress you listed and actors are Democrats, who constantly condemn Israel, it is Republicans (and very few of them are Jewish, I'm 1 of the few) that support Israel and are made to vomit at this ignorance.
QahJoh
16-08-2004, 04:43
The Senate and House of Representatives are seperate Houses.
Combining them would be disproportionate to their votes.

Who said anything about VOTES? You said the following:

Then the Jews who make up 20% of Congress, yet make up 2% of the U.S. population.

The fact is, Jews DO NOT make up 20% of Congress. The term "Congress" applies to all 535 members OF CONGRESS.

You were wrong, you're a weasel, and you can't do basic math.

Another :upyours:
Snigfidnia
16-08-2004, 04:44
Ask me why I'm bothering to post to this moron's thread -- I dunno. Well, maybe just to point out, pointlessly, that most of the media companies listed in the original post are publicly held corporations. Michael Eisner does not own Disney. He is the CEO, because the shareholders keep re-electing him -- prove to us, asswipe, that the shareholders are all jews. OK? Then, once you've accomplished that...tell us again why anyone should care about any of this.
HadesRulesMuch
16-08-2004, 04:44
But I do. He's all of the above. Check his posts.

Also, apparently math-illiterate.

Correct, you DO. Because he IS. However, my point is that Malconiva is the pot calling the kettle black.
QahJoh
16-08-2004, 04:45
Correct, you DO. Because he IS. However, my point is that Malconiva is the pot calling the kettle black.

A fair statement. I just wanted to clarify that Malconiva's faults shouldn't be used to justify this dope's behavior.
Bodies Without Organs
16-08-2004, 04:45
Bravo. I bow in favor of your brilliance.

Even better:

26 out of 435 (reportedly) Jewish members of Congress are (reportedly) Jewish, this gives 100% alone.
0 out of 409 (reportedly) non Jewish members of Congress are (reportedly) Jewish, this gives 0% alone.

So that would make 100% of Congress (reportedly) Jewish.


but wait...

409 out of 409 (reportedly) non Jewish members of Congress are (reportedly) non Jewish, this gives 100% alone.
0 out of 26 (reportedly) Jewish members of Congress are (reportedly) non Jewish, this gives 0% alone.

So that would make 100% of Congress (reportedly) non Jewish.

***

Therefore by the magnificent TT method 100% of Congress are simultaneously both (reportedly) Jewish and (reportedly) non Jewish.
HadesRulesMuch
16-08-2004, 04:46
Not at all. I agree with you completely.
Mentholyptus
16-08-2004, 04:47
I notice our mathematically challenged friend hasn't returned to defend his idiocy...
THE LOST PLANET
16-08-2004, 04:48
First of all, Jews are a race, not a religion. Jewish descent is all that makes someone a Jew. Secondly, CEOs are in that position because Jews within the company can get them there. CEOs are the best way to tell who runs the company as listing the entire leadership of the company is unreasonable. In the Media, the few Jewish elite leaders have much more say about what gets released to the public than the average shareholder.

Your third point lacks such sense...
America is 98% Gentile.
If you believe that America is not a Gentile nation then it would seem you are advocating oligarchy by the 2% of Jews.
In case you didnt realize, being a Christian is not required to be a Gentile- anyone who is not a Jew can refer to themselves as that.One of the standard definitions of the word 'Gentile' is 'a Christian', apparently you prefer one of the other definitions, specifically the one that defines it as 'a non-jew'. However I can't help but notice that you are liberal when defining what makes someone a jew when inflating the numbers for your conspiracy theory, but restrictive when defining what makes someone jew in figuring the percentage of gentiles in America. Do you get dizzy putting that much spin on things?
IDF
16-08-2004, 04:49
Also, you should get an idea of the business world (after you go back to 2nd grade and re-learn addition and division). the CEO is not in charge of a company. A CEO can do absolutely nothing without 50% of shares in favor of his decision (which usually means the Board of Directors). If I was the CEO of a company the odds are most of my decisions would be shot down unless I was a very good CEO. (something you won't be unless you can learn that 11/100 plus 26/435 does not = 17%
QahJoh
16-08-2004, 04:51
Here is a point of refutation, most media sources like CNN are actually biased against Israel and won't call Arafat a terrorist. The only media outlet that does call him a terrorist and really slant the news towards Israel (which isn't bad and is part of why I watch them) is NewsCorp (Fox News Channel) and that is owned by Rupert Murdoch who is not Jewish, but rather a very religious Christian Australian.

Well actually, I've heard a lot of rumors that Murdoch is, in fact, Jewish. I found this; unsure about its accuracy, though: http://www.wrmea.com/archives/june2003/0306024.html
Mentholyptus
16-08-2004, 04:52
Well actually, I've heard a lot of rumors that Murdoch is, in fact, Jewish.
Whatever his religious affiliations, the man is a greedy little bastard.
IDF
16-08-2004, 04:52
Well actually, I've heard a lot of rumors that Murdoch is, in fact, Jewish. I found this; unsure about its accuracy, though: http://www.wrmea.com/archives/june2003/0306024.html

Murdoch is very Christian, he is in fact considered by his rivals (Ted Turner) a Christian nut.

Besides the site you post is probably where TT gets his info, it is definitely an anti-Israel website trying to discredit Israel's best media supporter as having a hidden agenda.
Tenete Traditiones
16-08-2004, 04:56
TT still hasn't made any point, other than that Jews in America have been successful. So? Indians have been very successful in medicine, that doesn't imply anything sinister at all. Just that there's a lot of Indian doctors. In the same vein, all that you have (sort of, as QahJoh pointed out) proven is that there are a lot of Jewish executives and politicians. Does it matter? Nope.
I concur with QahJoh in saying: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/images/smilies/upyours.gif

Because 2% of the population has manifested complete control over the American media. The Jews have been responsible for the bringing destruction to America as it is rife with more foreign and internal problems than ever before.
The media promotes homosexuality, abortion, interracial relationships, same-sex marriages yet not heterosexual marriages. The Jewish ACLU has been behind the secularization of the country removing every vestige of God from the public square. Protestants are nothing more but Zionist slaves to Pat Robertson and other Zionist fanatics while Roman Catholics are deluded into following the Polish Jew Karol Kaczorowska Wojityla as their antipope.
Jews, unlike Germans, Irish, Italians, Swedes, French or any European people, are a distinct Semitic racial group as propagated by their Talmudic religion. They've thrived at the world's expense for millenia until now when the unGodly Israel was re-established with which they can truely dominate the world.
America is also now threatened by Arab terrorists thanks to blind support of Israel. Of course the question can be asked how these Arabs got into the country in the first place which can be traced to Jewish lobbying for open immigration. Jews are different than any other group and have no place in America. They should go back to beloved Israel and wait until the Mohammedan hordes destroy it. Just keep White blood out of there.
Maurichinia
16-08-2004, 04:56
1) by saying that 2% of Americans are jews you are exaggerating the true number of jews here, the actual number is closer to 1%

2) judaism is a religion, not a race, b/c many christians, muslims, buddhists, etc.. have jews somewhere in their ancestry but have no other connection to judaism

3) jews have a tradition of seeking a good education for their children. these children go on to be successful in life. maybe if you got up and learned something useful instead of complaining about your problems and passing blame you could get a job at the top as well
QahJoh
16-08-2004, 04:58
Murdoch is very Christian, he is in fact considered by his rivals (Ted Turner) a Christian nut.

According to what source?

Besides the site you post is probably where TT gets his info

That's a bit absurd. TT is obviously a full-blown anti-semite. I don't see anything on the source I gave you to indicate they are of a similar mindset.

it is definitely an anti-Israel website

What do you base this on?

trying to discredit Israel's best media supporter as having a hidden agenda.

Murdoch's agenda isn't hidden at all, IMO. He is unabashedly right-wing, including supporting the right-wing in Israel. One can discuss this without being anti-Israel.
IDF
16-08-2004, 04:58
Because 2% of the population has manifested complete control over the American media. The Jews have been responsible for the bringing destruction to America as it is rife with more foreign and internal problems than ever before.
The media promotes homosexuality, abortion, interracial relationships, same-sex marriages yet not heterosexual marriages. The Jewish ACLU has been behind the secularization of the country removing every vestige of God from the public square. Protestants are nothing more but Zionist slaves to Pat Robertson and other Zionist fanatics while Roman Catholics are deluded into following the Polish Jew Karol Kaczorowska Wojityla as their antipope.
Jews, unlike Germans, Irish, Italians, Swedes, French or any European people, are a distinct Semitic racial group as propagated by their Talmudic religion. They've thrived at the world's expense for millenia until now when the unGodly Israel was re-established with which they can truely dominate the world.
America is also now threatened by Arab terrorists thanks to blind support of Israel. Of course the question can be asked how these Arabs got into the country in the first place which can be traced to Jewish lobbying for open immigration. Jews are different than any other group and have no place in America. They should go back to beloved Israel and wait until the Mohammedan hordes destroy it. Just keep White blood out of there.


ROFLMAO!!! OUr ignorant buddy claims that Jews are encouraging abortion and homosexuality and other stuff, but then says they control Pat Robertson who stands agaisnt all of that. Explain that, after you go back to 2nd grade. I also want to see documentation for your ignorant lies.
Bodies Without Organs
16-08-2004, 05:00
1) by saying that 2% of Americans are jews you are exaggerating the true number of jews here, the actual number is closer to 1%

2% is the figure given in the CIA World Factbook, which if not authoritative, is at least arelatively reliable source. (1989 figures are the most up to date source that they have).
Kazderibidididad
16-08-2004, 05:02
I'd just like to post a heartfelt thank-you to TT for his lovely little comment. Now, any time I might consider myself small-minded, arrogant, or just plain dumb, I can come back here, read it, and know that here is someone who surpasses me easily in all three. Furthermore, someone who decided to BROADCAST those characteristics over the internet.

So, once again, many thanks, TT, for making us all feel a little better about ourselves.
Bodies Without Organs
16-08-2004, 05:02
General reminder to the thread: hurling insults at our good friend TT is not going to help the matter... don't let him/her rile you or provoke you into crossing any of the usual boundaries that can lead to deletions.
QahJoh
16-08-2004, 05:03
Because 2% of the population has manifested complete control over the American media. The Jews have been responsible for the bringing destruction to America as it is rife with more foreign and internal problems than ever before.

Prove it.

The media promotes homosexuality, abortion, interracial relationships, same-sex marriages yet not heterosexual marriages.

Prove it.

The Jewish ACLU has been behind the secularization of the country removing every vestige of God from the public square. Protestants are nothing more but Zionist slaves to Pat Robertson and other Zionist fanatics while Roman Catholics are deluded into following the Polish Jew Karol Kaczorowska Wojityla as their antipope.

Jews do not control Pat Roberston, and the Pope is not Jewish. Feel free to prove either assertion.

Jews, unlike Germans, Irish, Italians, Swedes, French or any European people, are a distinct Semitic racial group as propagated by their Talmudic religion.

Wrong.

They've thrived at the world's expense for millenia until now when the unGodly Israel was re-established with which they can truely dominate the world.

Bullshit.


America is also now threatened by Arab terrorists thanks to blind support of Israel. Of course the question can be asked how these Arabs got into the country in the first place which can be traced to Jewish lobbying for open immigration.

Another conspiracy :rolleyes:

Jews are different than any other group

How so?

and have no place in America.

Why? What makes me any less worthy to live here than you? What makes you so special?

They should go back to beloved Israel and wait until the Mohammedan hordes destroy it. Just keep White blood out of there.

I think I speak for a lot of people here when I say...

(Ahem)

"Fuck you up the ass with a fifteen-foot aluminum pole.

... With no lube."
Tenete Traditiones
16-08-2004, 05:03
Who said anything about VOTES? You said the following:



The fact is, Jews DO NOT make up 20% of Congress. The term "Congress" applies to all 535 members OF CONGRESS.

You were wrong, you're a weasel, and you can't do basic math.

Another :upyours:

I've had enough of debating technicalities and semantics.
I'm not going to entertain nonsense about the exact percentage of Jews in Congress anymore. You can have a laugh at your mathematical inaccuracies at the synagogue because I don't care. The two Houses are seperate and should not be combined in order to get a proper proportion of votes.
Now focus on the point of the thread, that is why racial minority of only 2% control the entire media of this country.
CSW
16-08-2004, 05:04
I've had enough of debating technicalities and semantics.
I'm not going to entertain nonsense about the exact percentage of Jews in Congress anymore. You can have a laugh at your mathematical inaccuracies at the synagogue because I don't care. The two Houses are seperate and should not be combined in order to get a proper proportion of votes.
Now focus on the point of the thread, that is why racial minority of only 2% control the entire media of this country.
Because they don't?
IDF
16-08-2004, 05:05
According to what source?


"Crazy Like a Fox", a book about the rise of Fox News Channel, also check any biographical info on Murdoch.
Bodies Without Organs
16-08-2004, 05:05
The two Houses are seperate and should not be combined in order to get a proper proportion of votes.


Then why did you apparently combine the percentage for them in your initial cut-and-pasted post?
QahJoh
16-08-2004, 05:07
I've had enough of debating technicalities and semantics.

You started this shit-storm. Don't throw a pissy-fit just because you can't divide.

I'm not going to entertain nonsense about the exact percentage of Jews in Congress anymore.

Heaven forbid you care about accuracy! That has no place here, of course. :rolleyes:

You can have a laugh at your mathematical inaccuracies at the synagogue because I don't care.

Obviously. You don't care about facts because your entire world-view is focused around blaming another group of people for the world's ills.

The two Houses are seperate and should not be combined in order to get a proper proportion of votes.

You're the one who said "20% of Congress" numnutz.

Now focus on the point of the thread, that is why racial minority of only 2% control the entire media of this country.

You have yet to prove this is true. I suppose when pressed, you'll say you "don't care about accuracy" on this, either.
THE LOST PLANET
16-08-2004, 05:07
Because 2% of the population has manifested complete control over the American media. The Jews have been responsible for the bringing destruction to America as it is rife with more foreign and internal problems than ever before.
The media promotes homosexuality, abortion, interracial relationships, same-sex marriages yet not heterosexual marriages. The Jewish ACLU has been behind the secularization of the country removing every vestige of God from the public square. Protestants are nothing more but Zionist slaves to Pat Robertson and other Zionist fanatics while Roman Catholics are deluded into following the Polish Jew Karol Kaczorowska Wojityla as their antipope.
Jews, unlike Germans, Irish, Italians, Swedes, French or any European people, are a distinct Semitic racial group as propagated by their Talmudic religion. They've thrived at the world's expense for millenia until now when the unGodly Israel was re-established with which they can truely dominate the world.
America is also now threatened by Arab terrorists thanks to blind support of Israel. Of course the question can be asked how these Arabs got into the country in the first place which can be traced to Jewish lobbying for open immigration. Jews are different than any other group and have no place in America. They should go back to beloved Israel and wait until the Mohammedan hordes destroy it. Just keep White blood out of there. :confused: Did you just call the pope a jew? Man you're in it deep aren't you. Aren't there any windows in that basement? I think the darkness and lack of ventilation are taking their toll.

You're following the time honored tradition of those who can't face up to their own failings; blame it on the universal scapegoat, the jews.
BLARGistania
16-08-2004, 05:07
Okay, that's nice, but it doesn't really prove anything besides the fact that there a lot of Jews that own successful companies.

You forgot to mention that even if the owner of the company is Jewish, the board really controls the what the company does, so you would have to look there instead of the CEO.
QahJoh
16-08-2004, 05:07
"Crazy Like a Fox", a book about the rise of Fox News Channel, also check any biographical info on Murdoch.

Thanks, I'll look into it. Also, understand I really don't care if Murdoch is Jewish or not, I just wanted to throw the info out there.
IDF
16-08-2004, 05:09
Also, how can the Jewish media be supporting abortion, homosexuality, and the ACLU when they control Pat Robertson who is the exact opposite of those views?
Kingliness
16-08-2004, 05:13
I think I see what happened with the math.
TT was trying to show Jewish power in Congress, so he did a propotional thing. But, when figuring the overall percentage, he added them instead of averaged them. The number TT was looking for is 8.5, not 17
IDF
16-08-2004, 05:15
I think I see what happened with the math.
TT was trying to show Jewish power in Congress, so he did a propotional thing. But, when figuring the overall percentage, he added them instead of averaged them. The number TT was looking for is 8.5, not 17
and even that number is misleading and wrong
QahJoh
16-08-2004, 05:16
Also, how can the Jewish media be supporting abortion, homosexuality, and the ACLU when they control Pat Robertson who is the exact opposite of those views?

This sort of asinine "logic" can be traced back to the Protocols of Zion, which claims that capitalist and Socialist Jews are all REALLY controlled by the same group, and that they just "divide" themselves for public consumption.

It's stupid, but, like the rest of the protocols, people will believe it if they want to.
Discordia Magna
16-08-2004, 05:19
Glad the Jews are in control instead of the filthy christians.
Tenete Traditiones
16-08-2004, 05:25
Prove it. I'll make this brief and simple as your ignorance is stunning.
Homosexuality~ Queer Eye, Jewish ACLU&GLAAD lobbying for marriage between homosexuals, Canadian teenage propaganda "DeGrassi" featuring teen homosexuals in sexual positions, sodomy legalized....
Abortion ~ Jewish ACLU at lead again in lobbying
Interracial Relationships Just turn on MTV...




Jews do not control Pat Roberston, and the Pope is not Jewish. Feel free to prove either assertion.

Karol Wojityla's mother is Emilia Kaczorowska, a Jewess who later Anglicized her name to Katz.
He is also responsible for calling Jews "Christians' elder brothers."





Another conspiracy :rolleyes:
While seeking Allah's help, we form our reply based on two questions directed at the Americans:

Why are we fighting and opposing you?
What are we calling you to, and what do we want from you?

As for the first question: Why are we fighting and opposing you? The answer is very simple:

Because you attacked us and continue to attack us.

You attacked us in Palestine:
Palestine, which has sunk under military occupation for more than 80 years. The British handed over Palestine, with your help and your support, to the Jews, who have occupied it for more than 50 years; years overflowing with oppression, tyranny, crimes, killing, expulsion, destruction and devastation. The creation and continuation of Israel is one of the greatest crimes, and you are the leaders of its criminals. And of course there is no need to explain and prove the degree of American support for Israel. The creation of Israel is a crime which must be erased. Each and every person whose hands have become polluted in the contribution towards this crime must pay its*price, and pay for it heavily.

It brings us both laughter and tears to see that you have not yet tired of repeating your fabricated lies that the Jews have a historical right to Palestine, as it was promised to them in the Torah. Anyone who disputes with them on this alleged fact is accused of anti-semitism. This is one of the most fallacious, widely-circulated fabrications in history. The people of Palestine are pure Arabs and original Semites. It is the Muslims who are the inheritors of Moses (peace be upon him) and the inheritors of the real Torah that has not been changed. Muslims believe in all of the Prophets, including Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad, peace and blessings of Allah be upon them all. If the followers of Moses have been promised a right to Palestine in the Torah, then the Muslims are the most worthy nation of this.
Kazderibidididad
16-08-2004, 05:28
General reminder to the thread: hurling insults at our good friend TT is not going to help the matter... don't let him/her rile you or provoke you into crossing any of the usual boundaries that can lead to deletions.

Sorry, I didn't mean for my post to be interpreted as a simple insult - it's simply the truth - I look forward to posts like this in the same way I enjoy the Stainless Steel Rat series of books by Harry Harrison. It's so over-the-top as to be ludicrous. The difference, of course, is that Mr. Harrison writes satire, while our friend TT is serious, but the entertainment value is the same.

In a small rebuttal to TT's extended rant, I'd like to point out the simple fact that has already been mentioned by compatriots in this thread, which is this: Positions in the House are elected. It follows, then, that if their only supporters were the (alleged) 2% of the population that shares their religion, they would never make it into office. This, apparently, is not the case, so the logical conclusion is that they were elected into office by their consituents because they are good, effective politicians.

This argument would appear to make sense. Just my two cents.
QahJoh
16-08-2004, 05:29
I'll make this brief and simple as your ignorance is stunning.

Considering your math skills, that's quite a statement.

Homosexuality~ Queer Eye, Jewish ACLU&GLAAD lobbying for marriage between homosexuals, Canadian teenage propaganda "DeGrassi" featuring teen homosexuals in sexual positions, sodomy legalized....

How is this a specifically "Jewish" thing?

Abortion ~ Jewish ACLU at lead again in lobbying

Interracial Relationships Just turn on MTV...

We've already been over CEOs and Board Members.

Furthermore, I don't see anything WRONG with any of the three things you've mentioned. If Jews have been involved in spreading tolerance for these things... go Jews.

Karol Wojityla's mother is Emilia Kaczorowska, a Jewess who later Anglicized her name to Katz.

Prove it.

He is also responsible for calling Jews "Christians' elder brothers."

What the hell does that prove? If I call you a douchebag, does that indicate that I am in fact a woman who douches regularly?
Bodies Without Organs
16-08-2004, 05:30
I'll make this brief and simple as your ignorance is stunning.

You know, if his own people were running this world wide conspiracy I think they might just have mentioned it to QahJoh...
QahJoh
16-08-2004, 05:31
You know, if his own people were running this world wide conspiracy I think they might just have mentioned it to QahJoh...

I guess I missed that meeting.

Too bad, I do so enjoy that blood-soaked Matzoh buffet.
Bodies Without Organs
16-08-2004, 05:33
In a small rebuttal to TT's extended rant, I'd like to point out the simple fact that has already been mentioned by compatriots in this thread, which is this: Positions in the House are elected. It follows, then, that if their only supporters were the (alleged) 2% of the population that shares their religion, they would never make it into office.

Ah, but you forget the 'Gentile' popualtion of the US are mesmerised by the Jewish dominated media which cunningly hypnotise them into voting in such a way that a disproportionate amount of Jews are elected. Apparently...
Tenete Traditiones
16-08-2004, 05:33
Let us also point out that George Bush went to Israel before the 2000 election with a yarmulke on in order to please the Jewish establishment because he knew he would have no chance at becoming president otherwise. The Jewish media controls who fills government positions by telling the voters what they need to hear to get them to vote for the Jewish candidates or Zionist slaves. Bush and the Congress really are just figureheads for the media that controls America from the background.
Zaikuu
16-08-2004, 05:35
Wait a minute... I wanna know what's so wrong about being Jewish and why it's such a problem that Jews are the leaders of some parts of the media or in Congress.
Bodies Without Organs
16-08-2004, 05:35
Bush and the Congress really are just figureheads for the media that controls America from the background.

Exactly when did the conspiracy pull off their masterstroke and gain control of the US?
QahJoh
16-08-2004, 05:35
Let us also point out that George Bush went to Israel before the 2000 election with a yarmulke on in order to please the Jewish establishment because he knew he would have no chance at becoming president otherwise.

Uh huh... This despite the fact that historically, Jews have overwhelmingly voted Democratic.

The Jewish media controls who fills government positions by telling the voters what they need to hear to get them to vote for the Jewish candidates or Zionist slaves.

Except most government positions are, in fact, not elected, but apointed.

Bush and the Congress really are just figureheads for the media that controls America from the background.

What a convenient new tactic. Suddenly, now the fact that Jews are only 6% of Congress DOESN'T MATTER, because CONGRESS DOESN'T MATTER!

:rolleyes:
God of Gods
16-08-2004, 05:43
Why is this even a discussion?
Kazderibidididad
16-08-2004, 05:43
...Canadian teenage propaganda "DeGrassi" featuring teen homosexuals in sexual positions...

Right, now you're dissing Degrassi? That's one of the best shows that CBC produced in the 1980s. You dismiss it as "Canadian Propaganda", just because it dealt with gay/lesbian relationships? That's edgy stuff, inserted into an excellent teenage drama. Your summary dismissal of the show clearly reveals that you're intolerant and small-minded over a larger field than simply religion or ethnicity.
Kazderibidididad
16-08-2004, 05:44
Why is this even a discussion?

That's easy - we want to see how deep he's willing to dig.
Tenete Traditiones
16-08-2004, 05:45
Uh huh... This despite the fact that historically, Jews have overwhelmingly voted Democratic.
People's votes don't actually matter. The elite Jews who enabled Bush's campaign got him into office thanks to his ardent Zionism.



Except most government positions are, in fact, not elected, but apointed.
Appointed positions are obviously easier for Jews to take over as it avoids the whole "election" setup.



What a convenient new tactic. Suddenly, now the fact that Jews are only 6% of Congress DOESN'T MATTER, because CONGRESS DOESN'T MATTER!


Who said Congress doesn't matter?
All I said was that it is virtually powerless before the Jewish media, which essentially has proxy control over it.
Bodies Without Organs
16-08-2004, 05:47
...Canadian teenage propaganda "DeGrassi" featuring teen homosexuals in sexual positions...
Right, now you're dissing Degrassi?

At this point I'm forced to ask is Tenete Traditiones just another puppet set up to pastiche and satirize the paranoid world-view that he is expressing?
Zaikuu
16-08-2004, 05:49
That's easy - we want to see how deep he's willing to dig.

Which is fine and all, but I'm still curious to know why he insists anything Jewish is a bad thing.

Stop attacking my people.
IDF
16-08-2004, 05:51
How to prove this redneck wrong, I'm Jewish and you know what I don't control anything beyond my brain and grades. This means I will succeed in life and get to a position of power. You just jack off and blame the Jews for your many failings and you won't be in a position of power. Maybe that is why Jews are all powerful (which we aren't)
Tenete Traditiones
16-08-2004, 05:53
Right, now you're dissing Degrassi? That's one of the best shows that CBC produced in the 1980s. You dismiss it as "Canadian Propaganda", just because it dealt with gay/lesbian relationships? That's edgy stuff, inserted into an excellent teenage drama. Your summary dismissal of the show clearly reveals that you're intolerant and small-minded over a larger field than simply religion or ethnicity.
DeGrassi in both its original and "Next-Generation" forms is one of the most disgusting pieces of TalmudVision ever to air. In the "Next Generation" that is on now, limits have been pushed further with interracial relationships between Whites, negroes, Arabs, and Jews in addition to homosexuality, fornication, rape, molestation, the list goes on. Withcraft, Satanism, and Mohammedanism (with horrible "hate crimes") are also present despite being notably without any Christian references. Funded by the government, it is classic Communist propaganda targeted at teenagers.
THE LOST PLANET
16-08-2004, 05:54
Let us also point out that George Bush went to Israel before the 2000 election with a yarmulke on in order to please the Jewish establishment because he knew he would have no chance at becoming president otherwise. The Jewish media controls who fills government positions by telling the voters what they need to hear to get them to vote for the Jewish candidates or Zionist slaves. Bush and the Congress really are just figureheads for the media that controls America from the background.OMG you're right! the jews do control the media! *GASP* even Internet Access Providers! Dude they're onto you! quick turn off your computer and run!
QahJoh
16-08-2004, 05:54
Let us also point out that George Bush went to Israel before the 2000 election with a yarmulke on in order to please the Jewish establishment because he knew he would have no chance at becoming president otherwise.Uh huh... This despite the fact that historically, Jews have overwhelmingly voted Democratic.
People's votes don't actually matter. The elite Jews who enabled Bush's campaign got him into office thanks to his ardent Zionism.

Then why did Bush visit Israel publicly? Why would that impress the "elite" Jews? It was clearly a POPULIST visit, designed to affect VOTERS, not the "elites". If the elites were going to back Bush because of his "ardent Zionism", a visit to Israel would have been meaningless, since his Zionism obviously preceeded his visit.

The Jewish media controls who fills government positions by telling the voters what they need to hear to get them to vote for the Jewish candidates or Zionist slaves.Except most government positions are, in fact, not elected, but apointed.Appointed positions are obviously easier for Jews to take over as it avoids the whole "election" setup.

Are you even reading your own posts? You were just talking about the VOTERS! You're changing your story post-by-post!

Furthermore, where do you get the idea that JEWS are "taking over" the appointed positions? Why not do some research on THIS and report back? :rolleyes:

What a convenient new tactic. Suddenly, now the fact that Jews are only 6% of Congress DOESN'T MATTER, because CONGRESS DOESN'T MATTER!Who said Congress doesn't matter?

You did, moron.

Bush and the Congress really are just figureheads for the media that controls America from the background.

Got you. Dumbass.

All I said was that it is virtually powerless before the Jewish media, which essentially has proxy control over it.

No, you said it was a figurehead, which amounts to being useless, inept, and, as you said, powerless. Powerless and "doesn't matter" seem pretty similar to me.

So, if it's powerless, isn't the degree to which it has Jewish members completely IRRELEVANT?
IDF
16-08-2004, 05:56
Our ignorant Nazi seems to think wearing a yarmulke = being Jewish, I guess that the Cardinals in the Catholic Church and the Pope are Jewish then.
QahJoh
16-08-2004, 05:57
Our ignorant Nazi seems to think wearing a yarmulke = being Jewish, I guess that the Cardinals in the Catholic Church and the Pope are Jewish then.

According to him, the Pope IS Jewish. :rolleyes:
Podemore
16-08-2004, 05:57
I'll make this brief and simple as your ignorance is stunning.
Homosexuality~ Queer Eye, Jewish ACLU&GLAAD lobbying for marriage between homosexuals, Canadian teenage propaganda "DeGrassi" featuring teen homosexuals in sexual positions, sodomy legalized....
Abortion ~ Jewish ACLU at lead again in lobbying
Interracial Relationships Just turn on MTV...






Karol Wojityla's mother is Emilia Kaczorowska, a Jewess who later Anglicized her name to Katz.
He is also responsible for calling Jews "Christians' elder brothers."
I am jewish and I work for the ACLU but almost all of my co workers are not jewish, the heads of the organization, board of directors, is comprised of only one jew their are over 50 members. That is two percent seems proportional. You should try to learn about what you are saying before you say. For example you are an anti-semite I can prove that, homophobe, that to but I can not actualy call you a racist so I won't because I want to have my facts straight. You should try that.
Zaikuu
16-08-2004, 05:59
So, if it's powerless, isn't the degree to which it has Jewish members completely IRRELEVANT?

Yes.

Yes it is.
Keruvalia
16-08-2004, 06:00
First off, the media, the most powerful branch of America's controlling elite, is almost 100% Jewish-controlled.

So what?
Kazderibidididad
16-08-2004, 06:02
At this point I'm forced to ask is Tenete Traditiones just another puppet set up to pastiche and satirize the paranoid world-view that he is expressing?

A good point. He could very well be like T. Reginald Gibbons (http://www.adequacy.org/public/users/720/index.html) whose work, especially his diatribe against computer hackers (http://www.adequacy.org/public/stories/2001.12.2.42056.2147.html) was actually a clever satire, which was mistaken for someone who was writing in seriousness. If this is the case, TT is offending more people than he/she ought to with this satire, and should probably give up the game.

If this is not the case, however, perhaps pity, rather than fury, is a better response to the paranoid individual who sees a conspiracy where none exists, and attributes some sort of malevolent agenda to a religious group that harbours none.
Tenete Traditiones
16-08-2004, 06:02
Then why did Bush visit Israel publicly? Why would that impress the "elite" Jews? It was clearly a POPULIST visit, designed to affect VOTERS, not the "elites". If the elites were going to back Bush because of his "ardent Zionism", a visit to Israel would have been meaningless, since his Zionism obviously preceeded his visit.
No, it wouldn't.



Are you even reading your own posts? You were just talking about the VOTERS! You're changing your story post-by-post!
Elected and appointed officials are different things. Different strategies have to be adopted to take control over both of them. Your posts based on technicalities are becoming more and more senseless now.




So, if it's powerless, isn't the degree to which it has Jewish members completely IRRELEVANT?
They need to have the symbolic vote to make it look like this is a Republic. How they vote is chosen by the media anyway so it is true that it lacks relevance. It is done for show, yet the disproportionate number of Jews prove how much power the media has over the weak Congress.
Slack Baby
16-08-2004, 06:03
I think that what this all comes down to is that TT is a Xenophobe. He clearly sees anything as different from himself as wrong and for some reason is scared. Although I can't say for sure, TT is most likely white, Christian, conservative, heterosexual (or at least thinks so) and American. I can say this with confidence because he has attacked everyone who doesn't entirely conform to this list of traits.

TT needs to comprehend (although I don't think he will) that what defines a erson isn't entirely their religion, race, sexuality, etc...
I'm a Canadian Jew. I've met Carribean Christians and American Muslims who think and act more like me than other Canadian Jews.

I think just about anybody who has steppe out into the real world realizes this.
Bodies Without Organs
16-08-2004, 06:03
According to him, the Pope IS Jewish. :rolleyes:

What I now want to know is whether the Pope is superior or inferior in the chain of command compared to the US media. TT?
Bodies Without Organs
16-08-2004, 06:05
I think that what this all comes down to is that TT is a Xenophobe. He clearly sees anything as different from himself as wrong and for some reason is scared. Although I can't say for sure, TT is most likely white, Christian, conservative, heterosexual (or at least thinks so) and American. I can say this with confidence because he has attacked everyone who doesn't entirely conform to this list of traits.


His nation also provides evidence for suspecting that he is a Roman Catholic... ...but then again he could be a Jew sent here by his secret masters to discourage belief in the men behind the curtain by making the whole thing appear completely ludicrous and naught but the fevered imaginings of a mind ill at ease with itself.
Zaikuu
16-08-2004, 06:05
They need to have the symbolic vote to make it look like this is a Republic. How they vote is chosen by the media anyway so it is true that it lacks relevance. It is done for show, yet the disproportionate number of Jews prove how much power the media has over the weak Congress.

WHAT DO YOU MEAN DISPROPORTIONATE!? WHAT LAW IN THE UNITED STATES SAYS JEWISH PEOPLE AREN'T ALLOWED TO BE ELECTED OR "APPOINTED" INTO OFFICE?

*Calms down, takes a deep breath*

And I don't believe the media has so much power over what you would dare to call a weak Congress.
Tenete Traditiones
16-08-2004, 06:11
His nation also provides evidence for suspecting that he is a Roman Catholic...

I once followed Christian Identity however that was overcomplicated with a fragile theology. The Roman Catholic Church is Truthful with a solid theology.
Protestants are nothing but Christian Zionists or Episcopalian homosexuals nowadays anyway...
QahJoh
16-08-2004, 06:12
I once followed Christian Identity however that was overcomplicated with a fragile theology. The Roman Catholic Church is Truthful with a solid theology.
Protestants are nothing but Christian Zionists or Episcopalian homosexuals nowadays anyway...

Hang on, a major tenet of Catholic dogma is the infallibility of the Pope. That the Pope is God's representative on earth.

So... why aren't you obeying your Jew-Pope and treating us as your brothers?

... Or is it just that you treat your whole family like shit, too?
Bodies Without Organs
16-08-2004, 06:13
I once followed Christian Identity however that was overcomplicated with a fragile theology. The Roman Catholic Church is Truthful with a solid theology.

Even though the Pope is Jewish according to your claims?

So what turned you on to a belief in a world-wide Jewish conspiracy?
QahJoh
16-08-2004, 06:15
Funny, nothing here about the Pope being Jewish...

http://www.vatican.va/news_services/press/documentazione/documents/santopadre_biografie/giovanni_paolo_ii_biografia_breve_en.html

And you'd think the Vaitcan website would know.

... Maybe no one's told him yet?
Bodies Without Organs
16-08-2004, 06:15
Hang on, a major tenet of Catholic dogma is the infallibility of the Pope. That the Pope is God's representative on earth.

So... why aren't you obeying your Jew-Pope and treating us as your brothers?


Note how TT said 'used to'. He also claimed that the current Pope was in fact an anti-Pope - I believe he may answer that his election was an error.
Zaikuu
16-08-2004, 06:19
... Maybe no one's told him yet?

His mother was a "Jewess" but they just never told him.

( Jew-Pope made me chuckle, by the way. )
Claireystan
16-08-2004, 06:20
[QUOTE=Tenete Traditiones]
Then the Jews who make up 20% of Congress, yet make up 2% of the U.S. population. How could they possibly be representative of a Gentile Nation?

I thought a significant philosophy behind the establishment of the US was that the state was to have no legislative power over religion. Therefore, a politician's religion should have little to no influence on their activities in government.
Also, where is it written that the US is a Gentile nation? And whats the big threat about having Jewish people in power? What are they going to do to you? Its those bloody Christians you ought to be worried about, they seem determined to persecute and eliminate anyone who doesn't believe what they do.
Why can't we all just get along!!! :fluffle:
Zaikuu
16-08-2004, 06:27
Why can't we all just get along!!! :fluffle:

Because not all of us are Roman Catholic.

*Sigh*
Keruvalia
16-08-2004, 06:29
Here's my Jewish power over the media ...

This message is hidden because Tenete Traditiones is on your ignore list.
Zaikuu
16-08-2004, 06:31
Good idea...
Soviet Haaregrad
16-08-2004, 06:32
First of all, Jews are a race, not a religion. Jewish descent is all that makes someone a Jew.

Jews are not a race. There are Semitic(Arab), Slavic and Black Jews, these people did not all come from the same place.

Additionally, being born to members of a certain religion does not make you a follower.
Sarcodina
16-08-2004, 06:41
There is enough arguing amongst the Jewish community itself to really make me wish we were one big united conspiratorial family. As a Jew, there are some Jews and their views which make me more angry and sad then TT's comments tenfold.
Thus the point is just because someone is a Jew is far from meaning they are avid supporters of Jews as a whole or Jewish liason for takeover.
BECAUSE IF JEWS RULED THE WORLD WHY WE WOULD LET PEOPLE COME TO POWER AND KILL US AND PERSECUTE US IF WE COULD STOP IT!!! WHY WOULDN'T WE JUST HAVE ISRAEL TAKEOVER THE WHOLE MIDEAST? WHY WE WOULD WE LET THE SAME PROPAGANDA CONTINUE (I.E PROTOCOLS OF ZION ETC.) AND STILL BE POPULAR IN MANY PARTS OF THE WORLD? WHY WOULD WE BE THAT STUPID IF WE ARE SO SMART?
Sorry for the capitals but this conversation is truly disgusting.
Kazderibidididad
16-08-2004, 06:52
DeGrassi in both its original and "Next-Generation" forms is one of the most disgusting pieces of TalmudVision ever to air. In the "Next Generation" that is on now, limits have been pushed further with interracial relationships between Whites, negroes, Arabs, and Jews in addition to homosexuality, fornication, rape, molestation, the list goes on. Withcraft, Satanism, and Mohammedanism (with horrible "hate crimes") are also present despite being notably without any Christian references. Funded by the government, it is classic Communist propaganda targeted at teenagers.

Ummm... I really don't know where to start here. Perhaps at the end of your statement. COMMUNIST?!?! You must be joking. Communism, as practiced (as opposed to as defined by Marx), has to do more with the restriction of freedoms, rather than their improvement. You are saying, perhaps, that people shouldn't be free to date who they choose, of whatever race, creed, social status, religion, or sexual orientation?
(Beyond that, I've heard the CBC accused of partisianship on one occaision, and on another, lovely occaision, "excessive neutrality", but Communist, state-sponsored propaganda? That's a new one. Not good, but new.)

While I did not remember any Witchcraft (or Withcraft) taking place in Degrassi, I decided to give you the benefit of the doubt and check an episode synopsis. I saw no Satan-worshipping, or Witchcraft other than references to Wicca and gothic individuals. I presume this is what you meant, in which case, I beg again, learn tolerance! Next on the list, Mohammedanism? Call it Islam, as it's supposed to be. And the objection to this is... what? Just intolerance, again.

Rape and molestation do feature prominently in several episodes, but this is what we like to call drama. Would you censure Tennessee William's A Streetcar Named Desire, because the climax of the story is a rape? Would you burn Nabokov's Lolita because it describes a relationship between an older man and a young girl? (Well, you probably would, but I meant it more rhetorically - that is, an individual in their right mind.)

And what about me? I read Harry Potter, Tolkein, Isaac Asimov. I play D&D. I'm (gasp and horror) Canadian. Does this make me, somehow, less worthy of existence?

I shall refrain from saying what I believe you to be, but after the stream of vitrol you've spewed over the course of this threat at targets that are guilty of nothing more than the condemnable crime of being different, I can rest easy, knowing that whatever I may think of you, it is still far too nice.
MacDeath
16-08-2004, 06:57
Jewish identity is odd. It's a mix of religion, ethnicity, culture, heritage, etc...

I read this thing with a bit of interest. To be honest I had not entirely realized (and still perhaps don't quite grasp) the concept that there are actually still neo-Nazis and white supremacists out there who think like this.

What's so wrong about "interracial" marriages? We're all the same bloody species. If you go 'round saying that blacks and whites and Asians and Indians shouldn't marry one another... well then there's not a lot more to say 'cause you're a closed-minded bigot.

Homosexuality may be open to debate, but one thing is pretty clear: it doesn't hurt anyone except possibly the people involved, so why should homophobes get upset? What others do in their bedrooms is nobody else's business.

The math quibbles seem to me to be largely a waste of time. I believe the entire world population of Jews is around twelve or fifteen million... out of nearly seven billion, that's somewhere very roughly in the neighborhood of 1 in 500. About one-fifth of one-percent of the entire planet. Maybe I'm fudging the numbers a bit, I probably am, but even in America the Jewish population is well under 1% and in many countries it's lower still. Yes, there are a disproportionate number of Jews in positions of prominence and power. That would be because Jews highly value scholars and study, and it's rare to find an adult Jew-- even a non-religious one who's only Jewish by the cultural definition-- who doesn't have a college degree and the accompanying likelihood of success.

Zionism controls world politics? If anything, one might look at the voting records of the United Nations and witness how many times they have condemned Israel for defending itself against Arabs. And I may as well point out that there are a dozen Muslim countries of size, with oil wealth and so on, which treat their own populations (women especially) poorly and consider non-Arabs second-class citizens at best... while in Israel, all citizens can vote, women have equal rights, and there is at least some semblance of modern democracy. I suppose some would have it that democracy's an evil Jewish invention, but no one I'd consider sane thinks so.

Jews do tend to be progressive. As a general group they vote Democratic, fight against racism (the Anti-Defamation League is famous for it), the rich ones tend to be great philanthropists, and they generally try to make the world a bit more civilized.

As for the rest of the conspiracy nonsense... well, I may as well add my own voice to the chorus. I'm a Jew and if my people are running some conspiracy to take over the world, they haven't told ME about it. This whining puts me in mind of those nutcases who swear that the Illuminati, some reptilian aliens from another dimension, are secretly ruling the world.
THE LOST PLANET
16-08-2004, 06:58
Tenete Traditiones is offlineI told that boy to run, that they were homing in on his IP address, but he wouldn't listen. Now the Secret Internet Police of the Jewish Controled Media have him. He shoulda known that all the major ISP's are part of the vast Jewish media monopoly.
Lorthellian
16-08-2004, 07:05
Anyway even though according to TT's maths jews make up 17% of congress following the same maths that would mean that 183% of congress is not jewish so I think they may be a bit outnumbered there.
Conservative Thinkers
16-08-2004, 07:30
The irony in all this is that the tone and tenor of TT's argument shows that HE and all people like HIM are the real danger to the freedom that we all share and love. This is the stuff of crusades.... turning anger and self-loathing into outward blame and false accusation and denial of truth... it's a sickness far more dangerous than anything on this good earth.
Mrah
16-08-2004, 07:54
I just read this, and... wow... I'm ashamed. I am Roman Catholic and would like to say that this person's views on Judaism are certainly not shared in any way by any means by the Catholic Church. This is sick, and I apologise to anyone who forms their assumptions of Catholocism based on this bigot. That's all I really wanted to say.
Ruccas
16-08-2004, 08:01
Actually Jews make up 17%. Combining the Houses at 535 is imbalanced.
11 Senators out of 100 is 11% alone.
26 Reps. out of 435 is 6% alone.
So that would make Jews 17% of Congress at 2% of the population.

I stand corrected by 3 percent. Now move on.

I know this has probably been commented on a million times by now...

BUT LEARN HOW TO DO MATH!
Ruccas
16-08-2004, 08:03
And of course, point 2:
Jewish girls are hot. :fluffle:
Austrealite
16-08-2004, 09:07
Ok...lets get one thing straight - "Gentile" simply means "Nation" sometimes "Heathen Nation"

It has been corrupted by people to become an insult.

Just like the Term "Anti-Semite" - a Semite is a decendant of Shem - not many "Jews" - maybe only 6% are decendants of Shem. - He was a son of Noah.
QahJoh
16-08-2004, 09:47
One last thing:

Karol Wojityla's mother is Emilia Kaczorowska, a Jewess who later Anglicized her name to Katz.

I think you screwed up the bullshit conspiracy theory. According to your fellow net-jackasses, the "party line" is that her name was originally Katz, which she "Policized" to Kaczorowska. Why the hell would a Pole living in Poland her whole life ANGLICIZE her name, idiot? Particularly when she spent the last 20-plus years of her life as MRS. Wojityla? :rolleyes: Moron.

Of course, this is all a moot point, since, as mentioned http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/1999/pope/bio/early/:

The Wojtylas were strict Catholics

Which would mean that even IF Emilia was Jewish, she converted. That would make her of Jewish descent, not "Jewish" herself. Ditto for her son, who has no Jewish parents and is-obviously- Catholic.
Superpower07
16-08-2004, 12:21
Then the Jews who make up 20% of Congress, yet make up 2% of the U.S. population. How could they possibly be representative of a Gentile Nation

The following is an announcement by the Anti-Racist Agnostics of America:



SUFFER IN YOUR OWN CONCENTRATION CAMP, NeoNazi!!!! :sniper:

You idiot, one of Democracy's purposes is to put minorities in a better position to boost their voice - it has done exactly that for Jews, and soon, expect to see more Hispanics, African-Americans, Asians, and other minorities in our government
Tenete Traditiones
16-08-2004, 14:54
Even though the Pope is Jewish according to your claims?

So what turned you on to a belief in a world-wide Jewish conspiracy?
Hang on, a major tenet of Catholic dogma is the infallibility of the Pope. That the Pope is God's representative on earth.

So... why aren't you obeying your Jew-Pope and treating us as your brothers?

... Or is it just that you treat your whole family like shit, too?

The Pope is not Jewish. Antipope Karol is Jewish because his mother is Jewish.

“Our ways of life and those of the Jews are utterly different, and Jews will easily pervert the souls of simple folk to their superstition and unbelief if such folk are living in continual and intimate intercourse with them.”
~Pope Alexander III
Bodies Without Organs
16-08-2004, 14:56
The Pope is not Jewish. Antipope Karol is Jewish because his mother is Jewish.

So, you are claiming that there is currently no pope?
Tenete Traditiones
16-08-2004, 15:01
So, you are claiming that there is currently no pope?

Sede vacante
Bodies Without Organs
16-08-2004, 15:03
Sede vacante

Surely the very first Pope was also born of a Jewish mother? - which would seem to mean that it does not automatically qualify a person from the position.

So, what turned you away from the church and on to anti-Jewism?
Tenete Traditiones
16-08-2004, 15:08
Surely the very first Pope was also born of a Jewish mother? - which would seem to mean that it does not automatically qualify a person from the position.

So, what turned you away from the church and on to anti-Jewism?
John Paul II is not just a Jew but also a heretic and a communist who therefore cannot become the Pope.
What is it you mean by anti-Jewism and how does it conflict with the Church?
Zaikuu
16-08-2004, 15:21
One thing is starting to really annoy me - "His mother is Jewish so he is Jewish."

No.

No.

NO.

It goes as such:

If your mother is Jewish and you choose to follow the Jewish faith, then the Orthodox Jews will accept you as a true Jew. If your father is Jewish, the Orthodox Jews will not accept you as a true Jew. My dad and his entire family are Irish/Italian Catholics and my mother's entirely family is of a Polish/Russian Jewish decent. My father converted and I was raised Jewish, but it's only because my mother is Jewish that the Orthodox will accept me as a Jew.

However, if I had been raised as a Catholic I would not be looked at a a Jew at all.

YOUR MOTHER BEING JEWISH DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY MEAN YOU ARE JEWISH.

If this were the case, there would be a Helluvalot more Jews in the world today than there are.

I'm done.
Tenete Traditiones
16-08-2004, 15:30
The following is an announcement by the Anti-Racist Agnostics of America:



SUFFER IN YOUR OWN CONCENTRATION CAMP, NeoNazi!!!! :sniper:

You idiot, one of Democracy's purposes is to put minorities in a better position to boost their voice - it has done exactly that for Jews, and soon, expect to see more Hispanics, African-Americans, Asians, and other minorities in our government

Your post was senseless and ignorant.
Democracy is the enemy of decent people and the American Republic is already dissolving.

The USA has only gotten worse since:
the blind support of Zion and the Jews
Jewish seizure of American media
the taking of prayer and the Bible out of schools
the approval of the disastrous 1965 immigration policy
the propaganda of "racial equality" began

Also at this time Communist Angelo Roncalli seized control over the Papacy and started the Council of Death. Despite the fact that Cardinal Siri had already been made Pope Gregory XVII three days earlier when white smoke had poured out.

Following all these occurrences, America and the world began its decline.
Jeldred
16-08-2004, 15:34
John Paul II is not just a Jew but also a heretic and a communist who therefore cannot become the Pope.

But, since St Peter's mother was Jewish -- hell, JESUS's mother was Jewish -- how does having a Jewish mother disqualify anyone from being Pope?

Also, it's kind of difficult to be a heretic when you're at the top of the organisation who defines heresy. In fact, since the doctrine of Papal Infallibility is now orthodox Catholicism, he's incapable of heresy by definition. By stating that he's a heretic you are implicitly opposing the doctrine of Papal Infallibility, and are therefore committing heresy. Your yellow robes and pointy hat are in the post.

This is great. It's just like the 14th century all over again. You can excommunicate him, he can excommunicate you, we can all send anathemas all over the place, someone else can try to pronounce yet another person Pope as a compromise and everyone can excommunicate and anathematise him!

As for the "communist" bit: were you not paying attention in the 1980s? Did you not realise that there would be a test? It might be best for all concerned if you were set back a couple of decades and do it all again. That'll teach you not to screw around during reality.
Tenete Traditiones
16-08-2004, 15:35
One thing is starting to really annoy me - "His mother is Jewish so he is Jewish."

No.

No.

NO.

It goes as such:

If your mother is Jewish and you choose to follow the Jewish faith, then the Orthodox Jews will accept you as a true Jew. If your father is Jewish, the Orthodox Jews will not accept you as a true Jew. My dad and his entire family are Irish/Italian Catholics and my mother's entirely family is of a Polish/Russian Jewish decent. My father converted and I was raised Jewish, but it's only because my mother is Jewish that the Orthodox will accept me as a Jew.

However, if I had been raised as a Catholic I would not be looked at a a Jew at all.

YOUR MOTHER BEING JEWISH DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY MEAN YOU ARE JEWISH.

If this were the case, there would be a Helluvalot more Jews in the world today than there are.

I'm done.


According to Judaism 101: http://www.jewfaq.org/

It is important to note that being a Jew has nothing to do with what you believe or what you do. A person born to non-Jewish parents who has not undergone the formal process of conversion but who believes everything that Orthodox Jews believe and observes every law and custom of Judaism is still a non-Jew, even in the eyes of the most liberal movements of Judaism, and a person born to a Jewish mother who is an atheist and never practices the Jewish religion is still a Jew, even in the eyes of the ultra-Orthodox.
Zaikuu
16-08-2004, 15:42
The USA has only gotten worse since:
the blind support of Zion and the Jews
Jewish seizure of American media
the taking of prayer and the Bible out of schools
the approval of the disastrous 1965 immigration policy
the propaganda of "racial equality" began

...What is wrong with you?

Racial equality has nothing to do with Judiasm. Jew isn't a race, it's a religion. Racial equality is to help support and give more rights to blacks, Asians, Hispanics, etc. And explain why racial equality is propaganda, I see no problem with giving people who aren't white freedom.

And taking prayer and Bible out of schools isn't a bad thing, it's not only sensitive to the Jewish faith but to athiests, Muslims, Buddhists and other non-Christian religions.

I want to personally apologize that not everyone is a perfect white Roman Catholic. We'll try to change to better suit your twisted mind of perfection.
Tenete Traditiones
16-08-2004, 15:43
Also, it's kind of difficult to be a heretic when you're at the top of the organisation who defines heresy. In fact, since the doctrine of Papal Infallibility is now orthodox Catholicism, he's incapable of heresy by definition. By stating that he's a heretic you are implicitly opposing the doctrine of Papal Infallibility, and are therefore committing heresy. Your yellow robes and pointy hat are in the post.
Very faulty logic.. Karol Wojityla never assumed the Chair of Saint Peter
because he is a heretic like Roncalli, Montini, and Luciano.
Not only that you lack understanding of Papal Infallibility.
I'm not going to get far into this however you should know that not everything a pope does is ex cathedra.


As for the "communist" bit: were you not paying attention in the 1980s? Did you not realise that there would be a test? It might be best for all concerned if you were set back a couple of decades and do it all again. That'll teach you not to screw around during reality.
All I need is some statements from John Paul's current visit to France:

"I BOW TO FREEDOM, FRATERNITY AND EQUALITY"~ Antipope John Paul II

"France and the Holy See are joined in the fight for a world which places Man at the centre of every enterprise."
~ Joint Statement, Jacques Chirac, Antipope John Paul II

Need I really say anymore?
Superpower07
16-08-2004, 15:51
blah blah blah blah blah I'm a racist Nazi blah blah blah blah

Please mods, ban this guy already
Jeldred
16-08-2004, 15:52
Very faulty logic.. Karol Wojityla never assumed the Chair of Saint Peter
because he is a heretic like Roncalli, Montini, and Luciano.
Not only that you lack understanding of Papal Infallibility.
I'm not going to get far into this however you should know that not everything a pope does is ex cathedra.

You could have fooled me... as far as I'm concerned -- and I think I have the vast bulk of the Catholic Church, their Cardinals, Archbishops, bishops and priests, monks, nuns and little old ladies with me on this one, novel expereince though that may be for all of us -- Pope John Paul II is the Pope, your deluded little fantasy notwithstanding. He's had his balls checked and everything. I bet you that even if you asked a rabid right-wing nutjob like Cardinal Ratzinger, head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (the Inquisition as was), he'd tell you that Pope John Paul II was Pope. He'd probably even get pretty incendiary about it. Or is he a commie too?

All I need is some statements from John Paul's current visit to France:

I BOW TO FREEDOM, FRATERNITY AND EQUALITY~ Antipope John Paul II

"France and the Holy See are joined in the fight for a world which places Man at the centre of every enterprise."~ Joint Statement, Jacques Chirac, Antipope John Paul II

So... in your mind, Freedom, Fraternity and Equality are BAD THINGS. I see. And not only is one of the most conservative Popes in many years a "communist", despite his well-documented and bitter opposition to the communist regime in Poland, but Jaques Chirac -- a right-wing crook of excellent pedigree -- is ALSO a communist. OK.

Need I really say anymore?

Hell, no. Not on my account.
Ladyrho
16-08-2004, 15:54
Ok, I am new so maybe I missed some earlier threads, but this proves what? :confused:
Tenete Traditiones
16-08-2004, 16:01
...What is wrong with you?

Racial equality has nothing to do with Judiasm. Jew isn't a race, it's a religion. Racial equality is to help support and give more rights to blacks, Asians, Hispanics, etc. And explain why racial equality is propaganda, I see no problem with giving people who aren't white freedom.

And taking prayer and Bible out of schools isn't a bad thing, it's not only sensitive to the Jewish faith but to athiests, Muslims, Buddhists and other non-Christian religions.

I want to personally apologize that not everyone is a perfect white Roman Catholic. We'll try to change to better suit your twisted mind of perfection.

Blacks, Asians, Arabs, Hispanics and Jews have no place in a White country.
Blacks are especially good at crime, with more black men in jail then in college.
The Black problem is the largest however we cannot forget the Arabs who cause terrorism. Those are different issues for another thread. The Jewish establishment is the reason why these other races have been accepted here in the first place.
With Jewish propaganda like propaganda like Cosby's or Proud Family or DeGrassi, who would think that Blacks commit 7.5 times more violent interracial (HATE!) crimes than whites, although whites outnumber blacks by 7 to 1.
The Holy Word
16-08-2004, 16:09
Please mods, ban this guy alreadyI disagree. Jeldred and Bodies Without Organs are ripping his arguments to shreds. He's doing more damage to himself then anyone else.
Tenete Traditiones
16-08-2004, 16:12
Please mods, ban this guy already

Where did I suggest I was a National Socialist?
The Holy Word
16-08-2004, 16:17
Where did I suggest I was a National Socialist?Technically speaking you're not- you're a Third Positionist.
Luciferius
16-08-2004, 16:20
Your post was senseless and ignorant.
Democracy is the enemy of decent people and the American Republic is already dissolving.

The USA has only gotten worse since:
the blind support of Zion and the Jews
Jewish seizure of American media
the taking of prayer and the Bible out of schools
the approval of the disastrous 1965 immigration policy
the propaganda of "racial equality" began

Also at this time Communist Angelo Roncalli seized control over the Papacy and started the Council of Death. Despite the fact that Cardinal Siri had already been made Pope Gregory XVII three days earlier when white smoke had poured out.

Following all these occurrences, America and the world began its decline.

Exactly! Jews are the reason America fights wars with Israel's rivals (Iraq) and societal decadence due to the liberal media. Finally, someone who sees straight through the bullcrap!
Ketosis
16-08-2004, 16:24
i think it is funny how in this day in age people are still arguing who's god has the biggest dick. and for some reason people just like to say "i hate jews". well i know a few jews and being aryan i cannot find anything wrong with them. ok, the funny little hats skecth me out, but to hate some one based on a hat, or what god they worship, or the lack of forskin just demonstrates who is the inferior one.
also, so fucking what if the jews controle the world? the most dammage that could happen is we would all have to wear little hats.
Tenete Traditiones
16-08-2004, 16:26
You could have fooled me... as far as I'm concerned -- and I think I have the vast bulk of the Catholic Church, their Cardinals, Archbishops, bishops and priests, monks, nuns and little old ladies with me on this one, novel expereince though that may be for all of us -- Pope John Paul II is the Pope, your deluded little fantasy notwithstanding. He's had his balls checked and everything. I bet you that even if you asked a rabid right-wing nutjob like Cardinal Ratzinger, head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (the Inquisition as was), he'd tell you that Pope John Paul II was Pope. He'd probably even get pretty incendiary about it. Or is he a commie too? The Church during Vatican II. Many heretics exiled by Pope Pius XII were welcomed back by John XXIII and Paul VI and these are who make up the modern Vatican. Ratzinger is just the same as all of them.



So... in your mind, Freedom, Fraternity and Equality are BAD THINGS. I see. And not only is one of the most conservative Popes in many years a "communist", despite his well-documented and bitter opposition to the communist regime in Poland, but Jaques Chirac -- a right-wing crook of excellent pedigree -- is ALSO a communist. OK.

"[S]uch is the theory, one could say the dream of the [French] Sillon; and that is what its teaching aims at, what it calls the democratic education of the people, that is, raising to its maximum the conscience and civic responsibility of every one, from which will result economic and political Democracy and the reign of JUSTICE, LIBERTY, EQUALITY, FRATERNITY. ... Now then! Distrust of the Church, their Mother, is being instilled into the minds of Catholic youth; they are being taught that after nineteen centuries She has not yet been able to build up in this world a society on true foundations; She has not understood the social notions of authority, liberty, equality, fraternity and human dignity...."
~Pope Saint Pius X, (Condemnation of Sillonism, 1910)
Tenete Traditiones
16-08-2004, 16:31
Exactly! Jews are the reason America fights wars with Israel's rivals (Iraq) and societal decadence due to the liberal media. Finally, someone who sees straight through the bullcrap!

I don't know whether you're being truthful or sarcastic but your statement is 100% correct. The Iraq war was for Israeli interests and Israeli interests alone.
Gentile bloodshed for the Jews thanks to the Zionists...
Luciferius
16-08-2004, 16:37
...What is wrong with you?

Racial equality has nothing to do with Judiasm. Jew isn't a race, it's a religion. Racial equality is to help support and give more rights to blacks, Asians, Hispanics, etc. And explain why racial equality is propaganda, I see no problem with giving people who aren't white freedom.

Liberal Jews feed us that "equality" crap, which motivates assbackwords scams on the part of minorities who want to make anyone who isn't one of them feel guilty for being who they are. Minority leadership is scaming their own people for gredy personal gain and to put themselves in positions to grab power.

And taking prayer and Bible out of schools isn't a bad thing, it's not only sensitive to the Jewish faith but to athiests, Muslims, Buddhists and other non-Christian religions.

Muslim mosques in AmeriKa are allowed to broadcast mulsim prayers throughout the city on loudspeakers, but Christian kids can't read a bible during lunch or volutarily take part in prayer outside?

When a christian extremist kills abortion doctors or sets off a bomb, it's "right-wing extremism" usually by 'racist' white males and it's conservative talk radio's fault. When muslims kill 3000 people in the worst attack since Pearl Harbor, it's the 'terrorists who hijacked islam; the religion of peace'. This is how Jewish controlled media have programmed the masses to think about religion AmeriKa.

I want to personally apologize that not everyone is a perfect white Roman Catholic. We'll try to change to better suit your twisted mind of perfection.

Good. Maybe you won't be so ignorant.
Flaggo
16-08-2004, 16:39
I would just like to say something. TT, it seems you are assuming everyone one here who is against you is Jewish. As a Unitarian Universalist (a liberal denomination of Christianity) I am very offended by everything you've said. Not only do you appear to be a blatent anti-semite, you are most unwilling to accept that just becuase there are a lot of Jews in the media doesn't mean they control it. I'm sorry that you are so ignorant. It must suck to be you.
Luciferius
16-08-2004, 16:39
I don't know whether you're being truthful or sarcastic but your statement is 100% correct. The Iraq war was for Israeli interests and Israeli interests alone.
Gentile bloodshed for the Jews thanks to the Zionists...

It did come off sarcastic but I meant what I said.
Bodies Without Organs
16-08-2004, 16:41
Blacks, Asians, Arabs, Hispanics and Jews have no place in a White country.

What supposedly 'white' country are you refering to here?
Ketosis
16-08-2004, 16:46
I would just like to say something. TT, it seems you are assuming everyone one here who is against you is Jewish. As a Unitarian Universalist (a liberal denomination of Christianity) I am very offended by everything you've said. Not only do you appear to be a blatent anti-semite, you are most unwilling to accept that just becuase there are a lot of Jews in the media doesn't mean they control it. I'm sorry that you are so ignorant. It must suck to be you.

you know, i think rupert murdoch (spelling) controles the media. he a jew?
wait, he is a far rightest republican... n/m

also, as for a white country, i hope your not refering to america. as it was originaly a red country.
Bodies Without Organs
16-08-2004, 16:46
Karol Wojityla never assumed the Chair of Saint Peter

Okay, so this statement clearly shows that being Jewish by your definition (ie. being born to a supposedly Jewish mother) is no barrier to becoming Pope, as Saint Peter himself was born to a Jewish mother and became Pope.


John Paul II is not just a Jew...

We have seen that this is irrelevant (above).

but also a heretic

Evidence? - "France and the Holy See are joined in the fight for a world which places Man at the centre of every enterprise." does not constitute such.

and a communist who therefore cannot become the Pope.

Evidence? Please also show that the belief in a particular ecconomic system is incompatible with the Roman Catholic church. "I bow to Freedom, Fraternity and Equality" does not constitute such evidence.
BastardSword
16-08-2004, 16:50
Just a tip: "Jewess" is sort of passe right now. Female Jews are just that, Jews. Using "Jewess" is about as archaic as calling Jews "Hebrews".



What does this "prove"? So there are many Jewish actors and actresses. So?



That's dishonest. How many THOUSANDS of people make up "the Bush administration"? How many ambassadors does the US have? And some of those picks are just stupid. Wow, the White House Liasons to the Jewish community were Jewish. Holy shit! Alert the media.



Says who? Cite a source.



The fact that they have been ELECTED by Gentiles shows that they are believed by their constituents to be representative of them and their interests. You seem to be implying that a person in government cannot represent someone different than them. Under that logic, California should not be allowed to have two female Senators, since 138 million Californians are male, and clearly, they are not being properly represented by women.



9 + 2 = 11. There are 100 Senators. 11 out of 100 is NOT 20 percent. Strike one.



25 + 1 = 26. There are 435 Reps in the House. 26 out of 435 is nowhere near 20 percent. Strike two.

Let's recap. You claimed that Jews make up 20% of Congress. According to this website, which is hosted on the official House of Reps server: http://www.house.gov/fattah/features/faq.htm, there are 535 members of Congress. 20% of 535 is 107. Assuming all the people you have named as Jews actually ARE Jews (and that's a big leap), you stil only have 37. According to YOUR OWN NUMBERS, Jews in fact make up only 6 % of Congress.

Congratulations, you are a GIGANTIC MORON. :upyours:



So what? You're acting as if it's a crime to be Jewish and run for public office.



You mean "facts" like 37 being 20% of 535? :rolleyes:

First Jew means you come from tribe of Judah, Hebrew means you come from any tribe. So yes Jews are hebrew.

So please check your sources.
Gymoor
16-08-2004, 16:51
Blacks, Asians, Arabs, Hispanics and Jews have no place in a White country.
Blacks are especially good at crime, with more black men in jail then in college.
The Black problem is the largest however we cannot forget the Arabs who cause terrorism. Those are different issues for another thread. The Jewish establishment is the reason why these other races have been accepted here in the first place.
With Jewish propaganda like propaganda like Cosby's or Proud Family or DeGrassi, who would think that Blacks commit 7.5 times more violent interracial (HATE!) crimes than whites, although whites outnumber blacks by 7 to 1.

Ah, but since many African Americans live in a depressed economic state, there might be other factors involved than race. Look into crime reports that compare people on an equal economic footing, and you'll see there's little, if any, difference in crime rates. Shall we exterminate, expell or discriminate against poor whites as well? What are the crime rates for middle-class and affluent African-Americans? I'll bet you more rich white men commit crime than rich black men do.
Tenete Traditiones
16-08-2004, 16:55
I would just like to say something. TT, it seems you are assuming everyone one here who is against you is Jewish. As a Unitarian Universalist (a liberal denomination of Christianity) I am very offended by everything you've said. Not only do you appear to be a blatent anti-semite, you are most unwilling to accept that just becuase there are a lot of Jews in the media doesn't mean they control it. I'm sorry that you are so ignorant. It must suck to be you.
I don't know where you got that impression. I never said that everyone who opposes my statements is Jew.
Anyway I don't see Christianity as thousands of denominations including UU but as Roman Catholic and heretic. (Unlike the Jew and goy, I do not view White Protestants as subhuman animals or inferior in any way.)
But UU would not even be considered part of Christianity in the common Protestant sense so your point is null.
Josephland
16-08-2004, 16:55
I still can't believe that people actually think Jews are trying to control the world. The whole idea is a lie.
From the book The Museum of Hoaxes:
"While the late 19th century produced many lighthearted tall tales, it also produced one notoriously vicious hoax...this was the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion. The Protocols first appeared in Russia at the beginning of the 20th century. It was said to be the text of a speech given by a Zionist leader outlining a secret Jewish plan to achieve world power by controlling international finance and subverting the power of the Christian church. The manuscript was then used to justify hate campaigns...from the Russian pogroms of the early 20th century, through to the actions of the Nazis during the 1930s and 40s...But the text of the Protocols actually derived from an 1865 work titled Dialogue in Hell Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu, which was written by Maurice Joly as an attack upon Emperor Napoleon III. It detailed how Napoleonic conspirators were plotting to undermine democratic institutions. The hoaxers simply substituted Zionist conspirators for Napoleonic ones. In other words, in its original form the Protocols had nothing to do with the Jewish people at all."
Janathoras
16-08-2004, 16:57
Kudos to Tenete Traditiones for amassing such a wealth of knowledge and opening an interesting subject of conversation. Even if it tends to degenerate into a 'can not!', 'can too!' debate or an equivalent of it. :-)
Zaikuu
16-08-2004, 16:58
Blacks, Asians, Arabs, Hispanics and Jews have no place in a White country.
Blacks are especially good at crime, with more black men in jail then in college.
The Black problem is the largest however we cannot forget the Arabs who cause terrorism. Those are different issues for another thread. The Jewish establishment is the reason why these other races have been accepted here in the first place.
With Jewish propaganda like propaganda like Cosby's or Proud Family or DeGrassi, who would think that Blacks commit 7.5 times more violent interracial (HATE!) crimes than whites, although whites outnumber blacks by 7 to 1.

Sorry love, but this isn't a white country. That's like saying Africa is a black country and whites, Asians, Arabs, Hispanics, and Jews have no place in a Black country.

Your continued ignorance never ceases to amaze me. It's very sickening that you can honestly sit here and say things like that about people who aren't white. Blacks may be more prone to violence ( sources, please? ) and there may be more in jail than college ( again, sources? ) but that doesn't mean jack shit. Most of the black people I know are hard-working, patriotic, intellegent, kind people. I know many Asians, Hispanics, and a few Arabs too, and it's the same for them. A few bad apples doens't mean the entire race is a horrible race.

And again: Jew is not a race.

I think it's people like you who don't belong in this country. This country was thought of as a haven for the Quakers ( if my memory serves me correctly ) from religious oppression in their European countries, and the Revolutionary War further freed the American people from British rule and gave us the right to make our own laws. We decided that all men are crated equal and if they want to come to the United States to escape persecution, then they were ( mostly ) welcomed.

I know, we had a horrible start with enslaving blacks and oppressing minorities, but we've developed as a nation and have learned to TOLERATE people who aren't white or of a certain religion.
Bodies Without Organs
16-08-2004, 17:02
Blacks, Asians, Arabs, Hispanics and Jews have no place in a White country.

What about white Jews?

Blacks are especially good at crime, with more black men in jail then in college.

If those figures are correct then they are not especially good at crime, else they would have gotten away with it and not be incarcerated.
Tenete Traditiones
16-08-2004, 17:02
Ah, but since many African Americans live in a depressed economic state, there might be other factors involved than race. Look into crime reports that compare people on an equal economic footing, and you'll see there's little, if any, difference in crime rates. Shall we exterminate, expell or discriminate against poor whites as well? What are the crime rates for middle-class and affluent African-Americans? I'll bet you more rich white men commit crime than rich black men do.
Excuses, excuses...
Blacks in the U.S. have had half a century to prove their greatness with affirmative action and today they still all live off of welfare and crime. Poor white farmers are much poorer then gold-rimmed Escalade-driving negroes yet they don't seem to be much of a problem do they?
If unfair economics is truly the problem then why isn't Father Africa thriving without Whites to hinder them?
Bodies Without Organs
16-08-2004, 17:05
Excuses, excuses...
Blacks in the U.S. have had half a century to prove their greatness with affirmative action and today they still all live off of welfare and crime.

Bullshit. Bullshit fucking lies and you know it.


It would seem that the white folk in the US have had since about 1960 to prove their greatness, yet according to you claims they are manipulated and lead by an international Jewish conspiracy. So what excuses do the white folks have?
Tenete Traditiones
16-08-2004, 17:06
What about white Jews?
That's an oxymoron.
Tenete Traditiones
16-08-2004, 17:07
Bullshit. Bullshit fucking lies and you know it.


It would seem that the white folk in the US have had since about 1960 to prove their greatness, yet according to you claims they are manipulated and lead by an international Jewish conspiracy. So what excuses do the white folks have?
What are you talking about? White Nations are the greatest and most civilized in the world.
Flaggo
16-08-2004, 17:07
But UU would not even be considered part of Christianity in the common Protestant sense so your point is null.
According to who? You? What makes you such an authority? I'm just curious as to where you are pulling this from. And whether or not I'm a Christian doesn't matter, the point is I'm not a Jew. And as for the who assuming they were Jewish thing, there were some previous comments you made that involved saying things about people who were arguing with you "going to the synagogue."
Oh, and please, don't get me started on your anti-interracial relationship/ anti-abortion/ anti-homosexuality tangent. Being a supporter of all interracial relationships (as I am in one), homosexuals (as I am one) and abotions (as I have had one), I think you are quite rude. Well, so much for not getting into it. ;)
Bodies Without Organs
16-08-2004, 17:09
That's an oxymoron.

I don't think that word means what you think it means: it means something which is only apparently contradictory.
Tenete Traditiones
16-08-2004, 17:11
I don't think that word means what you think it means: it means something which is only apparently contradictory.

ox·y·mo·ron Au
n. pl. ox·y·mo·ra (-môr, -mr) or ox·y·mo·rons
A rhetorical figure in which incongruous or contradictory terms are combined

"White Jew" is an oxymoron.

Make some sense next time!
Zaikuu
16-08-2004, 17:12
That's an oxymoron.

I'm a white Jew.

My mother is a white Jew.

My grandmother and grandfather were white Jews.

Carry on.
Jeldred
16-08-2004, 17:12
The Church during Vatican II. Many heretics exiled by Pope Pius XII were welcomed back by John XXIII and Paul VI and these are who make up the modern Vatican. Ratzinger is just the same as all of them.

Right. And yet John XXIII and Paul VI were both Popes, were they not? Are you claiming that Vatican II was "ex cathedra"? Vatican II is orthodox Catholicism. Just because you might disagree with bits of it doesn't make it a heresy. Although the fact that you disagree with it does tend to make you a heretic.

"[S]uch is the theory, one could say the dream of the [French] Sillon; and that is what its teaching aims at, what it calls the democratic education of the people, that is, raising to its maximum the conscience and civic responsibility of every one, from which will result economic and political Democracy and the reign of JUSTICE, LIBERTY, EQUALITY, FRATERNITY. ... Now then! Distrust of the Church, their Mother, is being instilled into the minds of Catholic youth; they are being taught that after nineteen centuries She has not yet been able to build up in this world a society on true foundations; She has not understood the social notions of authority, liberty, equality, fraternity and human dignity...."
~Pope Saint Pius X, (Condemnation of Sillonism, 1910)

So... what? Pius X was an intolerant control freak who had a vested interest in fostering fear and ignorance? Is that supposed to be news? I fail to see how this has any bearing on anything at all. If you're gnashing your teeth in impotent fury at the dawn of the 20th century, I have worse news for you -- it's the 21st century now, baby, and it's just going to keep on getting worse. You think you can turn the clock back to the good old days when priests could abuse who they liked without consequence? Dream on.
Bodies Without Organs
16-08-2004, 17:12
What are you talking about?
I'm talking about you making patently untrue statements: that "Blacks in the U.S. have had half a century to prove their greatness with affirmative action and today they still all live off of welfare and crime.



You make the argument that Blacks in the US are inferior because they have not risen to dominate the society, yes? Whereas you also claim that Jews have risen and dominate the society, yes? That would seem to me to argue that the Jews are a superior people to the white folks.

White Nations are the greatest and most civilized in the world.

Example of a white nation please?
Bodies Without Organs
16-08-2004, 17:15
ox·y·mo·ron Au
n. pl. ox·y·mo·ra (-môr, -mr) or ox·y·mo·rons
A rhetorical figure in which incongruous or contradictory terms are combined

"White Jew" is an oxymoron.

Make some sense next time!

You do know what incongruous means, don't you?

oxymoron n. figure of speech in which apparently contradictory terms appear in conjunction (e.g. faith unfaithful kept him falsely true). [Greek, = pointedly foolish, from oxus sharp, moros dull]

Portable Oxford Dictionary, Oxford University, Oxford, 1994.
Moobyworld
16-08-2004, 17:20
Did you know according to the nazis 99% of prostitutes were jewish i really dont need to say how ridiculous that is.
I feel reality is actually more interesting whilst being blammed for the german loss in the first world war Jews actually had a higher conscription/fatality rate than the more "germanic peoples" according to a report done at the time which was later surpressed.
Germanic is in inverted commas as before the nazis most
"jews" were german first then jewish.
Statistics never prove anything they just interpret the data given so the initial post doesnt show or prove anything but i guess thats obvious.
Luciferius
16-08-2004, 17:22
You make the argument that Blacks in the US are inferior because they have not risen to dominate the society, yes? Whereas you also claim that Jews have risen and dominate the society, yes? That would seem to me to argue that the Jews are a superior people to the white folks.

No. They (Jews and Blacks) ruined their own countries and come here to ruin ours. This is why they are not fit to lead America. If they want to dominate society why can't they dominate their own?

Is it just a pure coincidence that the blacks over the globe continued to lead tribal existences or at best created fledgling centralized governments while practically every pure white country was creating a prosperous culture? That, while Michelangelo was painting the Sistine Chapel, in Africa they some guy was smearing mud on rock walls? That, while the African's were pondering how best to throw a piece of wood at an animal, Issac Newton was formulating the theory of gravity?

Example of a white nation please?

AmeriKa used to be one. Before the Jews and Hispanics ruined their own countries and took control of ours.
Tenete Traditiones
16-08-2004, 17:24
Right. And yet John XXIII and Paul VI were both Popes, were they not? Are you claiming that Vatican II was "ex cathedra"? Vatican II is orthodox Catholicism. Just because you might disagree with bits of it doesn't make it a heresy. Although the fact that you disagree with it does tend to make you a heretic.
John XIII was a heretic and therefore not a pope. As was Paul VI.



So... what? Pius X was an intolerant control freak who had a vested interest in fostering fear and ignorance? Is that supposed to be news? I fail to see how this has any bearing on anything at all. If you're gnashing your teeth in impotent fury at the dawn of the 20th century, I have worse news for you -- it's the 21st century now, baby, and it's just going to keep on getting worse. You think you can turn the clock back to the good old days when priests could abuse who they liked without consequence? Dream on.

Pope Pius X is a Saint. What he is said is as relevant today as ever.
If you are not a Roman Catholic, I suggest ceasing this sort of discussion.
Bodies Without Organs
16-08-2004, 17:25
Blacks, Asians, Arabs, Hispanics and Jews have no place in a White country.
Blacks are especially good at crime, with more black men in jail then in college.
The Black problem is the largest however we cannot forget the Arabs who cause terrorism.
With Jewish propaganda like propaganda like Cosby's or Proud Family or DeGrassi, who would think that Blacks commit 7.5 times more violent interracial (HATE!) crimes than whites, although whites outnumber blacks by 7 to 1.

No mention of the Asian population in the US, those that even Stormfront and David Duke report as only being 2/3 as likely as a white person to be arrested for violent crimes? surely that would argue that they have more of a black than whites in the US by your reasoning as expressed here?

The CIA World Factbook also claims that whites make up 77.1% of the US population, while blacks make up 12.9% of the US population. Once again you seem to be having a bit of trouble with your maths...

77.1/12.9=5.98

Thus a ratio of 6:1 instead of 7:1.

Care to prove that all violent interracial crimes committed by blacks are in fact racial motivated (ie. hate crimes)?

Source for any of these figures, if you please?
Josephland
16-08-2004, 17:26
No. They (Jews and Blacks) ruined their own countries and come here to ruin ours. This is why they are not fit to lead America. If they want to dominate society why can't they dominate their own?

Is it just a pure coincidence that the blacks over the globe continued to lead tribal existences or at best created fledgling centralized governments while practically every pure white country was creating a prosperous culture? That, while Michelangelo was painting the Sistine Chapel, in Africa they some guy was smearing mud on rock walls? That, while the African's were pondering how best to throw a piece of wood at an animal, Issac Newton was formulating the theory of gravity?

Does that include Mali, whose king gave away so much extra gold on his pilgrimage that the cost of gold in Egypt decreased dramatically for ten years?
Tenete Traditiones
16-08-2004, 17:26
Did you know according to the nazis 99% of prostitutes were jewish i really dont need to say how ridiculous that is.
I feel reality is actually more interesting whilst being blammed for the german loss in the first world war Jews actually had a higher conscription/fatality rate than the more "germanic peoples" according to a report done at the time which was later surpressed.
Germanic is in inverted commas as before the nazis most
"jews" were german first then jewish.
Statistics never prove anything they just interpret the data given so the initial post doesnt show or prove anything but i guess thats obvious.
Your post was the most ridiculous, unsubstantiated and irrelevant in this thread.
So far that is...
Flaggo
16-08-2004, 17:28
No. They (Jews and Blacks) ruined their own countries and come here to ruin ours.
And how do you explain slavery? There are many African Americans in this country who are here simply because generations ago their ancestors were forced to come here. Not because their countries were "ruined".
Zaikuu
16-08-2004, 17:29
I wants me some sources of how blacks and Jews ruined their own countries, please.
Bodies Without Organs
16-08-2004, 17:31
No. They (Jews and Blacks) ruined their own countries and come here to ruin ours.

Exactly what country did the Jews have that they ruined?
Tenete Traditiones
16-08-2004, 17:32
No mention of the Asian population in the US, those that even Stormfront and David Duke report as only being 2/3 as likely as a white person to be arrested for violent crimes? surely that would argue that they have more of a black than whites in the US by your reasoning as expressed here?
This part just made no sense. Try clarifying it.

Care to prove that all violent interracial crimes committed by blacks are in fact racial motivated (ie. hate crimes)?

Source for any of these figures, if you please?
They are documented in FBI records as interracial crimes. The motives of each individual negro are obviously not listed, however that is really not important.
The statistics are out.
Zaikuu
16-08-2004, 17:32
Exactly what country did the Jews have that they ruined?

I'd guess he means the ones they were kicked out of.
CSW
16-08-2004, 17:32
No. They (Jews and Blacks) ruined their own countries and come here to ruin ours. This is why they are not fit to lead America. If they want to dominate society why can't they dominate their own?

Is it just a pure coincidence that the blacks over the globe continued to lead tribal existences or at best created fledgling centralized governments while practically every pure white country was creating a prosperous culture? That, while Michelangelo was painting the Sistine Chapel, in Africa they some guy was smearing mud on rock walls? That, while the African's were pondering how best to throw a piece of wood at an animal, Issac Newton was formulating the theory of gravity?



AmeriKa used to be one. Before the Jews and Hispanics ruined their own countries and took control of ours.

Bullcrap, and you know it. Read Guns, Germs, and Steel for a good explanation of why things came out as they did. Learn something, ignorance is the reason for racism.

No, it never was. We've had blacks in our country since before the nation was even founded and you are ignoring all of the Native Americans.
CSW
16-08-2004, 17:33
This part just made no sense. Try clarifying it.


They are documented in FBI records as interracial crimes. The motives of each individual negro are obviously not listed, however that is really not important.
The statistics are out.
Blacks tend to be as a rule poorer, thanks to twits like you

The poorer you are, the more likely you are to commit a crime...
Bodies Without Organs
16-08-2004, 17:36
This part just made no sense. Try clarifying it.

Yup: it didn't did it? Here is what I intended to write...

"You make no mention of the Asian population in the US, those that even Stormfront and David Duke report as only being 2/3 as likely as a white person to be arrested for violent crimes? surely that would argue that they have more of a right to be in the US than the whites according to your reasoning as expressed here?"


They are documented in FBI records as interracial crimes. The motives of each individual negro are obviously not listed, however that is really not important.

So you had absolutely no grounds for adding the capitalised word in brackets with an exclamation mark to your post, then? That was all just idle speculation on your part, despite being provided as a factual claim?

Blacks commit 7.5 times more violent interracial (HATE!) crimes than whites, although whites outnumber blacks by 7 to 1.

(increased size added for clarity)
Tenete Traditiones
16-08-2004, 17:37
And how do you explain slavery? There are many African Americans in this country who are here simply because generations ago their ancestors were forced to come here. Not because their countries were "ruined".

"Slavery is the price we paid for civilization." ~ Zora Neale Hurston

It would be simple to pay them reparations to go back to Father Africa and escape the oppression here. Let them show us Black Power.
Bodies Without Organs
16-08-2004, 17:39
It would be simple to pay them reparations to go back to Father Africa and escape the oppression here. Let them show us Black Power.

Do you support a similar program of repatriation for all those other races that turned up on the American continent after 1492?
Rahle
16-08-2004, 17:40
Uh, okay, Hitler. Lay off. This is a really stupid post in the first place because *gasp* THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH BEING JEWISH! Oh my God, what are you, Christian? Now don't get me wrong, I don't have anything against Christians, Jewish folk, or any other type of religious peoples. You, however, don't need to go dick around with playing dictator. I will say, yes, there are lots of Jewish people in America. So what? Where else were they supposed to go when in 1938, Hitler began pushing them from their own countries? Where could they hope to go, other than our nation; which, might I remind you, has promised to protect the weak, the tired, and the huddled masses. So, STEP OFF, and get your copy of "Mein Kampf" OUT OF YOUR ASS.

You're like Hitler... but you lack the ability to rouse a nation to your cause. Then there's the fact that what you say just sounds... Stupid, and pointless. You kind of remind me of one Macarthy-- Except you've replace communism with Jewdaism.
Arlee
16-08-2004, 17:41
I find it incredibly depressing that even in the face of so much change and education, one still suffers through the work of making logic out of hate. See, it's quite easy for any number of people to argue with you, since it doesn't take much to see the missteps and incoherencies of your anti-everybody sentiment.

You seem to pride yourself on what knowledge you do have, while simultaneously making massive generalizations--mixing falsehoods with microscopic portions of history and statistics. Early on in these posts, you said you didn't want people to jump to anti-semitism--I ask you then, what exactly would you call the anti-Jewish rhetoric you've been spouting?

As for all of your other prejudices (homosexuality, every race but white, abortion, etc. etc.), I find it hard to believe that you've actually had any encounters with these kinds of people. Any number of your friends or coworkers could be gay or have had an abortion and you'd never know by just looking at them--which seems to be your basis of determining who to hate.
Flaggo
16-08-2004, 17:41
It would be simple to pay them reparations to go back to Father Africa and escape the oppression here. Let them show us Black Power.
At this point, do you think it would do any good to send them back? They are as far from African culture as we are! That's like saying everyone one who had ancestors on the Mayflower should be sent back to England. Would not work at all.
Oh, and by the way, just becuase the crime was interracial, doesn't make it a hate crime. Chose your words better.
Zaikuu
16-08-2004, 17:42
"Slavery is the price we paid for civilization." ~ Zora Neale Hurston

It would be simple to pay them reparations to go back to Father Africa and escape the oppression here. Let them show us Black Power.

Uhm... I understand you're quoting someone, but how the Hell is slavery the price we paid for civilization?

And paying them money then kicking them out is not going to ease their anger at how their people have been oppressed.

Sorry.
Bodies Without Organs
16-08-2004, 17:42
Uh, okay, Hitler.

There is no need to draw comparisons to Hitler here: our good friend TT has not claimed to be a Nazi, and truth to tell probably isn't according to his statements here. Vehemently anti-Jewish, yes, but not a Nazi.
Jeldred
16-08-2004, 17:43
John XIII was a heretic and therefore not a pope. As was Paul VI.

I assume you mean John XXIII, and not John XIII (unless you have some more startling revelations up your sleeve). Whatever: how, pray, were these two Popes heretics, and therefore "not Popes"? According to you? To coin a phrase, "who died and made you head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith?"

Pope Pius X is a Saint. What he is said is as relevant today as ever.

Oh, I'm with you on that one. Spot on.

If you are not a Roman Catholic, I suggest ceasing this sort of discussion.

Why? It's not as if you're a Roman Catholic, either. Try telling a priest, or a bishop, what you think of Pope John Paul II, or inform them of your carefully-reasoned views on Vatican II. See what happens.

Religion is ultimately a state of mind. If you get excommunicated by the Catholic Church, all you need to do is create an alternative viewpoint where YOU are the faithful and THEY are the heretic. Which you seem to have well under way. Therefore, if you can call yourself a "Roman Catholic" and claim that the Pope a heretic in the same breath, then I can be a "Roman Catholic" too. Universal is universal, right?
Josephland
16-08-2004, 17:44
I've lost count of the unrefuted arguments from the last two pages alone.
Communist Mississippi
16-08-2004, 17:46
I'm thrilled with the number of Jews in the media and government. It promotes diversity.



How is it diverse to have a small group be massive overrepresented in an area?

When in the 1980s 100% of the South African Government was dominated by the small white minority... How did you feel then? Were you "thrilled". Didn't think so, get lost hypocrite!
Macuna
16-08-2004, 17:47
Jesus Was A Jew!!!!!!
Rahle
16-08-2004, 17:47
There is no need to draw comparisons to Hitler here: our good friend TT has not claimed to be a Nazi, and truth to tell probably isn't according to his statements here. Vehemently anti-Jewish, yes, but not a Nazi.


I suppose. It is a little degrading to Hitler, even. While torn asunder in the wrong beliefs, he was, at the very least, a drastically inspired leader. When you can corrupt an entire nation to your belief, you have power. Making pointless, defective, broken arguments in an anti-sematic form, is a Nazi trait, even if he/she is not a Nazi.
CSW
16-08-2004, 17:48
How is it diverse to have a small group be massive overrepresented in an area?

When in the 1980s 100% of the South African Government was dominated by the small white minority... How did you feel then? Were you "thrilled". Didn't think so, get lost hypocrite!
"The jews" aren't stopping anyone from getting a leadership role...
Bodies Without Organs
16-08-2004, 17:50
I suppose. It is a little degrading to Hitler, even.

Just at the moment I think there enough hideously unsubstantiated claims and faulty parallels being thrown around in this thread without the anit-anti-Jewish section making their contribution.
Communist Mississippi
16-08-2004, 17:52
About congress, when you add up all the racial jews, and ignore the fact that many of the jews converted to Christianity (like Kerry) you'll see there are about 20% jews in the US Congress. So he is correct in that regard.
Tenete Traditiones
16-08-2004, 17:52
Yup: it didn't did it? Here is what I intended to write...

"You make no mention of the Asian population in the US, those that even Stormfront and David Duke report as only being 2/3 as likely as a white person to be arrested for violent crimes? surely that would argue that they have more of a right to be in the US than the whites according to your reasoning as expressed here?"
Crime alone is not the only reasoning. As I pointed out earlier, Blacks are main source of crime. Asians thrive off of White society just as the others do. What is wrong with staying in Asia?




So you had absolutely no grounds for adding the capitalised word in brackets with an exclamation mark to your post, then? That was all just idle speculation on your part, despite being provided as a factual claim?

No, I had grounds. Just as the media tells us every once a millennium when a white kills a black that it is a HATE crime. It is a much more safe assumption then "Most of the black people I know are hard-working, patriotic, intellegent, kind people. I know many Asians, Hispanics, and a few Arabs too, and it's the same for them. A few bad apples doens't mean the entire race is a horrible race," as Zaikuu has stated with no factual basis.
I have no way of proving individual motives, so it can be assumed just as it is assumed when the situation is reversed by the Jewish media. Otherwise, don't believe it, however the numbers do back up the negro's criminal nature.
Rahle
16-08-2004, 17:56
Just at the moment I think there enough hideously unsubstantiated claims and faulty parallels being thrown around in this thread without the anit-anti-Jewish section making their contribution.

Oops, sorry. Can't help it, I have a thing against bigotry. Bad left over from my love of history and my study of idiots. But we're not getting into the fact that people like TT were the cause of Emmit Till's death, or that which lead to the senseless destruction of 11 million lives. I just don't understand why it -matters-. So they're Jewish. So what? I don't really have a religion. I don't see why everyone's always judging each other; and I never say anything until someone does something stupid, like this. I don't start fights, but I'm more than happy to join in. Also: I have as much right to state my opinion as anyone else here; including the fool so tangled in bigotry s/he created this thread.
Communist Mississippi
16-08-2004, 17:57
"The jews" aren't stopping anyone from getting a leadership role...


Oh if only that were true.
Frishland
16-08-2004, 17:58
After twisting so many threads into a a topic of Jewish power, perhaps we should get the facts about who really controls America...

In America, the media and the corrupt political scene dominate.
First off, the media, the most powerful branch of America's controlling elite, is almost 100% Jewish-controlled. Jews love to cry out "Ted Turner" when refuting this argument yet that is very weak as Turner could not be more of a Jewish slave. Jews control every thing else in the US Media. Here's a list.

Jewish-owned media outlets:
Walt Disney Company(including Touchstone/BuenaVista),CEO Michael Eisner, Jew
Walt Disney Picture Company(incl. ABC), Joe Roth, Jew
Miramax Films, Weinstein brothers, both Jews
Time Warner Inc., Gerald Levin, Jew
Viacom Inc.(incl. CBS, MTV), Murray Rothstein(aka Sumner Redstone), Jew
Paramount Pictures, Sherry Lansing, Jewess
News Corporation(incl. Fox) TV & Movie production headed by Peter Chernin, Jew
Sony Corporation of America,Michael Schulhof, Jew
Sony Pictures Alan Levine, Jew
New World Entertainment, owner Ronald Perelman, Chairman Brandon Tartikoff, Jews
DreamWorks SKG, David Geffen, Jeffrey Katzenberg, Steven Spielberg, Jews
MCA/Universal Pictures Edgar Bronfman (president of World Jewish Congress), Jew
Newsweek/ Washington Post Katherine Meyer Graham, Jewess
U.S. News & World Report/ NY Daily News Mortimer Zuckerman, Jew
Random House Publishing Newhouse, Jew
NBC News, Andrew Lack, Jew
Newhouse Media, incl. 26 newspapers, led by Newhouse family Jews
New York Times/ Boston Globe + 32 other newspapers, Arthur Ochs Sulzberger, Jr., Jew
Wall Street Journal Peter Kann, Jew
The following are some of their subsidaries:
Time Magazine
MTV
Nickelodeon
Prentice Hall
Simon & Schuster
Warner Books
Little, Brown
Disney Channel
HBO
Showtime
CNN
Fox News
ABC
NBC
CBS

Jewish Hollywood Actors and Actresses, and other "Celebrities":
Too many to list here. Jewish Actors and Actresses (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jews#Actors_.2F_Actresses) Just scroll down the list to see Jewish Comedians, hollywood bosses, famous criminals, spies, and political leaders.

Next up is the government, in which jews also are overrepresented.
We'll start with the Jews in the Bush Administration:
Ari Fleischer (2001-2003) White House Press Secretary
Josh Bolten Deputy Chief of Staff
Ken Melman White House Political Director
David Frum (2001-2002) Speechwriter
Brad Blakeman White House Director of Scheduling
Dov Zakheim (2001-2004) Undersecretary of Defense (Controller)
Paul Wolfowitz Deputy Secretary of Defense
I. Lewis Libby Chief of Staff to the Vice President
Adam Goldman (2001-2003) White House Liaison to the Jewish Community
Tevi Troy (2003-2004) White House Liaison to the Jewish Community
Noam Neusner (2004-) White House Liaison to the Jewish Community
Chris Gersten Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary, Administration for Children and Families at HHS
Elliott Abrams Director of the National Security Council's Office for Democracy, Human Rights and International Operations
Mark D. Weinberg Assistant Secretary of Housing and Urban Development for Public Affairs
Douglas Feith (2001- ) Under Secretary of Defense for Policy
Michael Chertoff Head of the Justice Department's criminal division
Daniel Kurtzer Ambassador to Israel
Cliff Sobel Ambassador to the Netherlands
Stuart Bernstein Ambassador to Denmark
Nancy Brinker Ambassador to Hungary
Frank Lavin Ambassador to Singapore
Ron Weiser Ambassador to Slovakia
Mel Sembler Ambassador to Italy
Martin Silverstein Ambassador to Uruguay
Jay Lefkowitz (2001-2004) Deputy Assistant to the President and Director of the Domestic Policy Council
Blake Gottesman President's personal aide
John Miller Director, State Department Office to Monitor and Combat Trafficking in Persons

Then the Jews who make up 20% of Congress, yet make up 2% of the U.S. population. How could they possibly be representative of a Gentile Nation?
Jews in the 108th Congress:

SENATE (9 Democrats, 2 Republicans)
Barbara Boxer (D-CA)
Norm Coleman (R-MN) - newly elected
Russell Feingold (D-WI)
Dianne Feinstein (D-CA)
Herb Kohl (D-WI)
Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ) - newly elected, previously served
Joe Lieberman (D-CT)
Carl Levin (D-MI) - re-elected
Charles Schumer (D-NY)
Arlen Specter (R-PA)
Ron Wyden (D-OR)

HOUSE (25 Democrats, 1 Republican)
Gary Ackerman (D-NY)
Shelly Berkley (D-NV)
Howard Berman (D-CA)
Eric Cantor (R-VA)
Benjamin Cardin (D-MD)
Susan Davis (D-CA)
Peter Deutsch (D-FL)
Rahm Emanuel (D-IL) - newly elected
Eliot Engel (D-NY)
Bob Filner (D-CA)
Barney Frank (D-M)
Martin Frost (D-TX)
Jane Harman (D-CA)
Steve Israel (D-NY)
Tom Lantos (D-CA)
Sander Levin (D-MI)
Nita Lowey (D-NY)
Jerrold Nadler (D-NY)
Steve Rothman (D-NJ)
Bernard Sanders (I-VT)
Jan Schakowsky (D-IL)
Adam Schiff (D-CA)
Brad Sherman (D-CA)
Henry Waxman (D-CA)
Anthony Weiner (D-NY)
Robert Wexler (D-FL)

Presidential Candidate John Kerry (Kohn) is also of Jewish descent.


Though left-wing censors would love to dismiss this as "neo-nazism," that does not refute facts presented here. Idiotic jokes about "anti-Semitism" are not needed. This is simply a resource to refer to when someone ridiculously claims that the media is not Jewish-controlled. That's all for now.
All you've shown through what, I would point out, are very selective examples, is that a disproportionate number of people who appear to control things (they don't actually--the institutions do; the people ostensibly in control just manipulate around the edges) are Jewish. What I think is much more telling is that so many are white males, or that they're all corporations to begin with. All you've shown is a disproportionate political activism and intellectuality in Jewish culture, which is commendable. Then again, perhaps I'm biased, being a Jew.
Tenete Traditiones
16-08-2004, 17:58
Jesus Was A Jew!!!!!!
Jesus was a Levite.
Mary's mother was Anna, of the Levi tribe, not of Judah.
Therefore Mary was a Levite as was her Son.

Relations between Biblical Hebrews and modern "jews" have yet to be proven anyway.
Rahle
16-08-2004, 17:59
Oh if only that were true.

<sarcasm> Oh, of course. Those darn Jewish people! Always stoppin me from becoming president. You just wait..! *shake fist* </sarcasm>
Bodies Without Organs
16-08-2004, 17:59
No, I had grounds.

Translation: "I had grounds"


I have no way of proving individual motives, so it can be assumed just as it is assumed when the situation is reversed by the Jewish media.

Translation: "I had no grounds".

Question: how do the Jews benefit by an increased crime rate?

Otherwise, don't believe it, however the numbers do back up the negro's criminal nature.

The only numbers I have seen are the ones I hunted out myself and they refer to arrests (not convictions) for violent inter-racial crimes and make no mention of motivation.
Decisive Action
16-08-2004, 18:03
But we're not getting into the fact that people like TT were the cause of Emmit Till's death, .

The only thing that caused the negro boy's death, was that he didn't listen to his relatives in Chicago when they said, "Mind the white folks in Mississippi". The story that he simply "whistled" at the white woman in the store, from what I've read is not ture. He practically forced himself upon her and she had to pull a gun from behind the counter to get him away. Now that could be wrong, I'll never know for sure because I wasn't there. But I don't think people are in the habit of just killing black boys for no reason, that's the truth; if for no other reason, people have other things to do!
Bodies Without Organs
16-08-2004, 18:05
Also: I have as much right to state my opinion as anyone else here; including the fool so tangled in bigotry s/he created this thread.

Indeed, I am not trying to shout you down or censor your opinions: but I will take issue with claims I disagree with regardless of what 'side' they may be coming from.
Tenete Traditiones
16-08-2004, 18:09
All you've shown through what, I would point out, are very selective examples, is that a disproportionate number of people who appear to control things (they don't actually--the institutions do; the people ostensibly in control just manipulate around the edges) are Jewish. What I think is much more telling is that so many are white males, or that they're all corporations to begin with. All you've shown is a disproportionate political activism and intellectuality in Jewish culture, which is commendable. Then again, perhaps I'm biased, being a Jew.

They do control things. They found their way to the top thanks to Jewish control over the corporation.
If jews are so commendable, why have they failed to create themselves a state in the past 2000 or so years. From a Biblical perspective, they lost Israel, and have since then become parasites in Europe and more recently, the USA. Then comes the holohoax. And all of a sudden the world must cater to the establishment of a state already occupied in Palestine, with White, not Jewish blood and resources being used to create it. Jews are obviously cowardly to force the U.S.A. to fight Israel's wars.
I must say, Jews are excellent at deception, however.
Then again, perhaps I'm biased, being a goy.
Rahle
16-08-2004, 18:11
The only thing that caused the negro boy's death, was that he didn't listen to his relatives in Chicago when they said, "Mind the white folks in Mississippi". The story that he simply "whistled" at the white woman in the store, from what I've read is not ture. He practically forced himself upon her and she had to pull a gun from behind the counter to get him away. Now that could be wrong, I'll never know for sure because I wasn't there. But I don't think people are in the habit of just killing black boys for no reason, that's the truth; if for no other reason, people have other things to do!

Emmit Till whistled at Mrs. Carolyn Bryant. He encouraged her to date with him, along with the words, "it's okay baby, I've been with white women before." He never laid a hand on her from -any- account I've studied of the case. Even so, what happened to Emmit Till was unspeakable. That the state of Mississippi allowed Bryant and Milam to get away with it, was insane.
Gorka
16-08-2004, 18:11
After twisting so many threads into a a topic of Jewish power, perhaps we should get the facts about who really controls America...

In America, the media and the corrupt political scene dominate.
First off, the media, the most powerful branch of America's controlling elite, is almost 100% Jewish-controlled. Jews love to cry out "Ted Turner" when refuting this argument yet that is very weak as Turner could not be more of a Jewish slave. Jews control every thing else in the US Media. Here's a list.

Jewish-owned media outlets:
Walt Disney Company(including Touchstone/BuenaVista),CEO Michael Eisner, Jew
Walt Disney Picture Company(incl. ABC), Joe Roth, Jew
Miramax Films, Weinstein brothers, both Jews
Time Warner Inc., Gerald Levin, Jew
Viacom Inc.(incl. CBS, MTV), Murray Rothstein(aka Sumner Redstone), Jew
Paramount Pictures, Sherry Lansing, Jewess
News Corporation(incl. Fox) TV & Movie production headed by Peter Chernin, Jew
Sony Corporation of America,Michael Schulhof, Jew
Sony Pictures Alan Levine, Jew
New World Entertainment, owner Ronald Perelman, Chairman Brandon Tartikoff, Jews
DreamWorks SKG, David Geffen, Jeffrey Katzenberg, Steven Spielberg, Jews
MCA/Universal Pictures Edgar Bronfman (president of World Jewish Congress), Jew
Newsweek/ Washington Post Katherine Meyer Graham, Jewess
U.S. News & World Report/ NY Daily News Mortimer Zuckerman, Jew
Random House Publishing Newhouse, Jew
NBC News, Andrew Lack, Jew
Newhouse Media, incl. 26 newspapers, led by Newhouse family Jews
New York Times/ Boston Globe + 32 other newspapers, Arthur Ochs Sulzberger, Jr., Jew
Wall Street Journal Peter Kann, Jew
The following are some of their subsidaries:
Time Magazine
MTV
Nickelodeon
Prentice Hall
Simon & Schuster
Warner Books
Little, Brown
Disney Channel
HBO
Showtime
CNN
Fox News
ABC
NBC
CBS

Jewish Hollywood Actors and Actresses, and other "Celebrities":
Too many to list here. Jewish Actors and Actresses (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jews#Actors_.2F_Actresses) Just scroll down the list to see Jewish Comedians, hollywood bosses, famous criminals, spies, and political leaders.

Next up is the government, in which jews also are overrepresented.
We'll start with the Jews in the Bush Administration:
Ari Fleischer (2001-2003) White House Press Secretary
Josh Bolten Deputy Chief of Staff
Ken Melman White House Political Director
David Frum (2001-2002) Speechwriter
Brad Blakeman White House Director of Scheduling
Dov Zakheim (2001-2004) Undersecretary of Defense (Controller)
Paul Wolfowitz Deputy Secretary of Defense
I. Lewis Libby Chief of Staff to the Vice President
Adam Goldman (2001-2003) White House Liaison to the Jewish Community
Tevi Troy (2003-2004) White House Liaison to the Jewish Community
Noam Neusner (2004-) White House Liaison to the Jewish Community
Chris Gersten Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary, Administration for Children and Families at HHS
Elliott Abrams Director of the National Security Council's Office for Democracy, Human Rights and International Operations
Mark D. Weinberg Assistant Secretary of Housing and Urban Development for Public Affairs
Douglas Feith (2001- ) Under Secretary of Defense for Policy
Michael Chertoff Head of the Justice Department's criminal division
Daniel Kurtzer Ambassador to Israel
Cliff Sobel Ambassador to the Netherlands
Stuart Bernstein Ambassador to Denmark
Nancy Brinker Ambassador to Hungary
Frank Lavin Ambassador to Singapore
Ron Weiser Ambassador to Slovakia
Mel Sembler Ambassador to Italy
Martin Silverstein Ambassador to Uruguay
Jay Lefkowitz (2001-2004) Deputy Assistant to the President and Director of the Domestic Policy Council
Blake Gottesman President's personal aide
John Miller Director, State Department Office to Monitor and Combat Trafficking in Persons

Then the Jews who make up 20% of Congress, yet make up 2% of the U.S. population. How could they possibly be representative of a Gentile Nation?
Jews in the 108th Congress:

SENATE (9 Democrats, 2 Republicans)
Barbara Boxer (D-CA)
Norm Coleman (R-MN) - newly elected
Russell Feingold (D-WI)
Dianne Feinstein (D-CA)
Herb Kohl (D-WI)
Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ) - newly elected, previously served
Joe Lieberman (D-CT)
Carl Levin (D-MI) - re-elected
Charles Schumer (D-NY)
Arlen Specter (R-PA)
Ron Wyden (D-OR)

HOUSE (25 Democrats, 1 Republican)
Gary Ackerman (D-NY)
Shelly Berkley (D-NV)
Howard Berman (D-CA)
Eric Cantor (R-VA)
Benjamin Cardin (D-MD)
Susan Davis (D-CA)
Peter Deutsch (D-FL)
Rahm Emanuel (D-IL) - newly elected
Eliot Engel (D-NY)
Bob Filner (D-CA)
Barney Frank (D-M)
Martin Frost (D-TX)
Jane Harman (D-CA)
Steve Israel (D-NY)
Tom Lantos (D-CA)
Sander Levin (D-MI)
Nita Lowey (D-NY)
Jerrold Nadler (D-NY)
Steve Rothman (D-NJ)
Bernard Sanders (I-VT)
Jan Schakowsky (D-IL)
Adam Schiff (D-CA)
Brad Sherman (D-CA)
Henry Waxman (D-CA)
Anthony Weiner (D-NY)
Robert Wexler (D-FL)

Presidential Candidate John Kerry (Kohn) is also of Jewish descent.


Though left-wing censors would love to dismiss this as "neo-nazism," that does not refute facts presented here. Idiotic jokes about "anti-Semitism" are not needed. This is simply a resource to refer to when someone ridiculously claims that the media is not Jewish-controlled. That's all for now.


It's about time someone exposed them! But, of course, we cannot stop here! We must also reveal the great Catholic conspiracy for world domination!!

Seriously, you might as well have compiled a list of left-handed people with more than 5 speeding tickets.
Tenete Traditiones
16-08-2004, 18:15
It's about time someone exposed them! But, of course, we cannot stop here! We must also reveal the great Catholic conspiracy for world domination!!

We are not presently discussing Antipope John Paul II's plan for New World Order.
Please stick to the topic.
Rahle
16-08-2004, 18:15
They do control things. They found their way to the top thanks to Jewish control over the corporation.
If jews are so commendable, why have they failed to create themselves a state in the past 2000 or so years.

...Okay, that was just stupid. Why don't -you- jsut go out and make a "state" (I'd like to point out, they were sort of hoping for a country). Seriously, you find at least a couple hundred thousand miles of land that is not owned by a country, and happens to be the Holy Land, and make a country. Come on, go for it, if it's so easy. Don't trip on your political shoelaces, Skippy.
Rahle
16-08-2004, 18:16
We are not presently discussing Antipope John Paul II's plan for New World Order.
Please stick to the topic.

...Wow, sarcasm really does go over some people's heads.
Bodies Without Organs
16-08-2004, 18:17
We are not presently discussing Antipope John Paul II's plan for New World Order.
Please stick to the topic.

I thought that as part of the international Jewish conspiracy he was very much part of the topic, no?

Also if he isn't Pope, as you claim, then he is not actively part of the "Catholic conspiracy for world domination", no?
Tenete Traditiones
16-08-2004, 18:19
...Okay, that was just stupid. Why don't -you- jsut go out and make a "state" (I'd like to point out, they were sort of hoping for a country). Seriously, you find at least a couple hundred thousand miles of land that is not owned by a country, and happens to be the Holy Land, and make a country. Come on, go for it, if it's so easy. Don't trip on your political shoelaces, Skippy.

The land was occupied. Had the Jews shed their own blood in a war to take the land for their own state I would not care. Instead they had American funding and military assistance, plunging us into the middle of the Arab-Jewish conflict in which we always lose.
Rahle
16-08-2004, 18:22
The land was occupied. Had the Jews shed their own blood in a war to take the land for their own state I would not care. Instead they had American funding and military assistance, plunging us into the middle of the Arab-Jewish conflict in which we always lose.

.. That was also stunningly defective. So far as I can remember, Jewdaism does not encourage violence. Yes, they want the Holy Land. It's the birth of their religion, amoung others. They can't help it that two other groups, and probably more, want it too. Hell, come on skippy, what's your state, we'll give them that. You know. Since it's so easy to get one's hands on a country.
Tenete Traditiones
16-08-2004, 18:24
I thought that as part of the international Jewish conspiracy he was very much part of the topic, no?

Also if he isn't Pope, as you claim, then he is not actively part of the "Catholic conspiracy for world domination", no?

As long as the discussion remains focused on the Jewish political aspect then yes the Novus Ordo Church is part of this discussion. However I felt the need to stifle the idiotic sarcasm of Gorka. I do not wish for a theological debate in this thread, either. The issue of left-wing control over the Church is enough for its own thread.
Tenete Traditiones
16-08-2004, 18:28
.. That was also stunningly defective. So far as I can remember, Jewdaism does not encourage violence. Yes, they want the Holy Land. It's the birth of their religion, amoung others. They can't help it that two other groups, and probably more, want it too. Hell, come on skippy, what's your state, we'll give them that. You know. Since it's so easy to get one's hands on a country.

Jewdaism?

You did not justify why White blood and resources must be used for the interests of a Jewish state.

You also seem to be so ignorant so as to think that "state" as used here refers to a state of the United States of America.

Your posts are lacking any factual basis, only opinions, and very foolish ones at that.
CSW
16-08-2004, 18:29
About congress, when you add up all the racial jews, and ignore the fact that many of the jews converted to Christianity (like Kerry) you'll see there are about 20% jews in the US Congress. So he is correct in that regard.
*cough*Bullshit*cough*
CSW
16-08-2004, 18:30
Jewdaism?

You did not justify why White blood and resources must be used for the interests of a Jewish state.

You also seem to be so ignorant so as to think that "state" as used here refers to a state of the United States of America.

Your posts are lacking any factual basis, only opinions, and very foolish ones at that.
The irony. It burns.
Tenete Traditiones
16-08-2004, 18:32
The irony. It burns.
Your point?
Hampster Squared
16-08-2004, 18:33
Even better:

26 out of 435 (reportedly) Jewish members of Congress are (reportedly) Jewish, this gives 100% alone.
0 out of 409 (reportedly) non Jewish members of Congress are (reportedly) Jewish, this gives 0% alone.

So that would make 100% of Congress (reportedly) Jewish.


but wait...

409 out of 409 (reportedly) non Jewish members of Congress are (reportedly) non Jewish, this gives 100% alone.
0 out of 26 (reportedly) Jewish members of Congress are (reportedly) non Jewish, this gives 0% alone.

So that would make 100% of Congress (reportedly) non Jewish.

***

Therefore by the magnificent TT method 100% of Congress are simultaneously both (reportedly) Jewish and (reportedly) non Jewish.


My god, it's quantum mechanics! Now what happens if you lock Congress in a box linked up to a poison gas gun I wonder....

Jewish Power....Is this like a very exclusive General Electric? If so, too bad it's only in America :P

No one will win this argument, because ultimately, neither side will listen and nobody's view will be changed. Oh well, carry on
Kazderibidididad
16-08-2004, 18:34
And of course, point 2:
Jewish girls are hot. :fluffle:

First off, props to that.

About congress, when you add up all the racial jews, and ignore the fact that many of the jews converted to Christianity (like Kerry)

NOT a race, as established earlier. Next!

Crime alone is not the only reasoning. As I pointed out earlier, Blacks are main source of crime. Asians thrive off of White society just as the others do. What is wrong with staying in Asia?


Leaving your skewed statistics for crime alone (for now), let's examine your next statement. To paraphrase, to the Europeans in the 15th century, "What's wrong with staying in Europe?" Perhaps because the settlers saw a land of freedom and opportunity, an escape from persecution? Certainly, there's an easy comparison between those first settlers and anti-Maoists fleeing China during Mao's regime.

But there's more wrong with your point than simply that - you seem to imply that Asians are freeloaders, living off the "white man"'s work. Now, much as I hate to generalize, the hardest working people I know, without exception, are all Asian. This is not to say that I don't have hard-working friends of other ethnicities, but the ones who work harder than I used to think was possible - they're the "freeloaders" you object to.

Another point that occurs - initially, you listed actors/actresses as Jews in your paranoid conspiracy rant. And the same rules that apply to elected officials apply to celebrities - only much moreso. Only about 50% of the population turns out to vote (less in municipal elections), but EVERYONE watches movies/tv. Actors/actresses only remain successful if they are POPULAR. So it's only by the acclaim of the majority of the population that such people remain in any position of entertainment power.

That having been covered, I must again offer you kudos, TT, for providing us with a source of cheap entertainment. I imagine this is what it was like to watch the village idiot/drunk cavorting around, advertising his total lack of intelligence and tact to all, and being pelted by rotten vegetables. I can almost understand the attraction, now!
CSW
16-08-2004, 18:34
Your point?
That you are an absolute twit who has no clue what you are talking about?
Tenete Traditiones
16-08-2004, 18:38
That you are an absolute twit who has no clue what you are talking about?
What are you talking about?
All you're doing is making ridiculous and unwarranted insults.
Hampster Squared
16-08-2004, 18:39
What are you talking about?
All you're doing is making ridiculous and unwarranted insults.

Ask a stupid question, and you'll get a stupid answer...moron
CSW
16-08-2004, 18:40
What are you talking about?
All you're doing is making ridiculous and unwarranted insults.
Oh, trust me, they are warrented.

You have no idea why the 'white' man has been so successful, do you?
Tenete Traditiones
16-08-2004, 18:44
But there's more wrong with your point than simply that - you seem to imply that Asians are freeloaders, living off the "white man"'s work. Now, much as I hate to generalize, the hardest working people I know, without exception, are all Asian. This is not to say that I don't have hard-working friends of other ethnicities, but the ones who work harder than I used to think was possible - they're the "freeloaders" you object to.
Opinion

Another point that occurs - initially, you listed actors/actresses as Jews in your paranoid conspiracy rant. And the same rules that apply to elected officials apply to celebrities - only much moreso. Only about 50% of the population turns out to vote (less in municipal elections), but EVERYONE watches movies/tv. Actors/actresses only remain successful if they are POPULAR. So it's only by the acclaim of the majority of the population that such people remain in any position of entertainment power.
Jewish actors stay in power because the Jewish media supports them. Otherwise no actor or actress could survive.
Decisive Action
16-08-2004, 18:45
What are you talking about?
All you're doing is making ridiculous and unwarranted insults.

Don't even let these people bother you, the war is coming, and then all the wrongs will be put right. I've seen the war, I know about it, I've seen it, I know it is going to happen. It's soon going to be a reality. I've seen it.
Tenete Traditiones
16-08-2004, 18:46
Ask a stupid question, and you'll get a stupid answer...moron
Who are you and what is the relevance of your statement?
If you're not contributing anything positive to this thread then you can leave since you find this thread so "stupid."
Rahle
16-08-2004, 18:50
Jewdaism?

You did not justify why White blood and resources must be used for the interests of a Jewish state.

You also seem to be so ignorant so as to think that "state" as used here refers to a state of the United States of America.

Your posts are lacking any factual basis, only opinions, and very foolish ones at that.

Um. Wow. You're kinda.. stupid. State's are deemed as smaller-than-country pieces of land governed by a larger net government. Stop going Macarthy on me, kid. You'd do well to stop thinking of yourself as white, and to start thinking of yourself as a Human. Share, man, and step off your "look at me, my ancestors came from all over the world, but I can be filled with bigotry and complain about others anyways!" If it bugs you so much, sir, go get yourself elected into the office.
Decisive Action
16-08-2004, 18:53
Um. Wow. You're kinda.. stupid. State's are deemed as smaller-than-country pieces of land governed by a larger net government. Stop going Macarthy on me, kid. You'd do well to stop thinking of yourself as white, and to start thinking of yourself as a Human. Share, man, and step off your "look at me, my ancestors came from all over the world, but I can be filled with bigotry and complain about others anyways!" If it bugs you so much, sir, go get yourself elected into the office.




Whites are the only true "human", we evolved from Homo erectus and Homo habilis into Homo sapiens. Making us "Humans"

The other races are a descended from the Australopithecine.


The jews are a mixture of arab, semite, asian, and african blood, the ultimate mongrelized race. They are originally from central Asia. Jews are Khazars.
Decisive Action
16-08-2004, 18:57
Well, what do you all think?
Tenete Traditiones
16-08-2004, 18:57
Um. Wow. You're kinda.. stupid. State's are deemed as smaller-than-country pieces of land governed by a larger net government. Stop going Macarthy on me, kid. You'd do well to stop thinking of yourself as white, and to start thinking of yourself as a Human. Share, man, and step off your "look at me, my ancestors came from all over the world, but I can be filled with bigotry and complain about others anyways!" If it bugs you so much, sir, go get yourself elected into the office.

state:
A body politic, especially one constituting a nation

I'm tired of quoting the dictionary for idiots now. The USA is a state of States and France, Germany, and Israel, etc. are also states. Their size is not of importance. This is ridiculous topic to have to have to answer to...

And I cannot be elected to a United States office as I refuse to bow before Israel and the Jews. Look at the pro-Palestinian extremist Ralph Nader who has been kept off ballots and despised by the Jewish media. Michael Peroutka has not been mentioned by the media since his party has served Zion well before.
Kazderibidididad
16-08-2004, 18:58
Opinion (regarding my prior post)
Hmmmm.. yes, this would be my educated opinion, given that I have always been in the top 10% of my classes, and my asian friends were either matching me or surpassing me in both quality and quantity of work. And three of my asian friends this summer are holding down 3 jobs, while another four have two. And I cannot think of any asian friend of mine who has been fired from a job for incompetance, or failed a class. Oh, and my father (a surgeon)'s three most promising residents are all asian. But this is just evidence, which you've proven yourself capable of ignoring.

I'd also like to point out that the entirety of your contribution to this thread has been your own twisted opinion backed by flimsy or irrelevant facts. So I feel justified in stating my opinion from time to time.

As for your delusions that the media controls the popularity of actors and actresses - No. Box offices tell the truth - popular movies are attended often, and no matter how much the media tries to trump up a bad movie, it'll still flop. Much as you'd like to blame the media for everything, people still have what we like to call "free will". If people don't like something, they won't do it. As a matter of fact, I wrote an essay on the topic just this year. I can send it to you, should so desire. I'll even include a glossary, for difficult words, like oxymoron, freedom, fraternity and equality.
Tenete Traditiones
16-08-2004, 18:59
No, it never occurred.
Rahle
16-08-2004, 18:59
Whites are the only true "human", we evolved from Homo erectus and Homo habilis into Homo sapiens. Making us "Humans"

The other races are a descended from the Australopithecine.


The jews are a mixture of arab, semite, asian, and african blood, the ultimate mongrelized race. They are originally from central Asia. Jews are Khazars.

Mother of Christ, that is the most defective statement I've heard all day. Humans are humans. Created by God, in His own image. Created by God Himself. As -humans-. Not whites, not asians, not as anything but HUMANS.
Gymoor
16-08-2004, 19:00
Nothing happens just as "they" say it did. Largely, though, the holocaust was as reported. Too much anecdotal and physical evidence to even consider otherwise.
VoteEarly
16-08-2004, 19:01
Time will show us the truth!
BastardSword
16-08-2004, 19:01
Time will show us the truth!
Don't you mean time travel?
VoteEarly
16-08-2004, 19:01
Nothing happens just as "they" say it did. Largely, though, the holocaust was as reported. Too much anecdotal and physical evidence to even consider otherwise.



So how did the dead bodies wind up dead? Typhus kills just as bad as gas.
Sumamba Buwhan
16-08-2004, 19:02
how would I know? I wasn't there.

I assume lots and lots of Jews died because thats what I have always heard.
Communist Mississippi
16-08-2004, 19:04
how would I know? I wasn't there.

I assume lots and lots of Jews died because thats what I have always heard.


I assume nothing, I try to find out for myself. And according to the Jewish Historian David Cole, it didn't occur, there was no "final solution". But a typhus epidemic did kill over 100,000 jews.


They recently revised the number of jews killed at Auschwitz (they=Polish gov't) from 4 million to 2 million. So why hasn't the "Sacred Six Million" number, dropped to 4 million?

They've turned the Holocaust into a religion!
Communist Mississippi
16-08-2004, 19:04
Middleton, you're an idiot!
Kwangistar
16-08-2004, 19:05
So how did the dead bodies wind up dead? Typhus kills just as bad as gas.
Was not the goal to get as much labor out of the Jews and then kill them? Typhus would waste a lot of good bodies. With gas you can apply it to those who are weak or otherwise incapable of doing the job while keeping those who can still work.
Rahle
16-08-2004, 19:06
state:
A body politic, especially one constituting a nation

I'm tired of quoting the dictionary for idiots now. The USA is a state of States and France, Germany, and Israel, etc. are also states. Their size is not of importance. This is ridiculous topic to have to have to answer to...

And I cannot be elected to a United States office as I refuse to bow before Israel and the Jews. Look at the pro-Palestinian extremist Ralph Nader who has been kept off ballots and despised by the Jewish media. Michael Peroutka has not been mentioned by the media since his party has served Zion well before.

Okay, I take it back. You're filled with bigotry, stupidity, and something very akin to a large, racism-filled stick up your ass. People like you are wasting air by breathing. Hurry up and stop doing that.

Oh, and the only reason you wouldn't get to office is because no one but the crackpots would support your opinion. Crackpots and racists, anyways.
Tenete Traditiones
16-08-2004, 19:06
Hmmmm.. yes, this would be my educated opinion, given that I have always been in the top 10% of my classes, and my asian friends were either matching me or surpassing me in both quality and quantity of work. And three of my asian friends this summer are holding down 3 jobs, while another four have two. And I cannot think of any asian friend of mine who has been fired from a job for incompetance, or failed a class. Oh, and my father (a surgeon)'s three most promising residents are all asian. But this is just evidence, which you've proven yourself capable of ignoring.
I'm a 5 year old who is in the top 1% of my class at Harvard. And my friends Jamal, Tyrone, and Leroy shot 56 people down the block from me. :rolleyes: Try some facts... Not your personal, likely untrue, stories.:rolleyes:

I'd also like to point out that the entirety of your contribution to this thread has been your own twisted opinion backed by flimsy or irrelevant facts. So I feel justified in stating my opinion from time to time.
I've stated facts repeatedly.

As for your delusions that the media controls the popularity of actors and actresses - No. Box offices tell the truth - popular movies are attended often, and no matter how much the media tries to trump up a bad movie, it'll still flop. Much as you'd like to blame the media for everything, people still have what we like to call "free will". If people don't like something, they won't do it. As a matter of fact, I wrote an essay on the topic just this year. I can send it to you, should so desire. I'll even include a glossary, for difficult words, like oxymoron, freedom, fraternity and equality.

No they don't. Their Free Will is narrowed by what the Jews want it to be and punishments are in order for those who don't follow their rule. PATRIOT ACT was the first step in silencing opposition to the Jewish establishment.
CSW
16-08-2004, 19:07
I assume nothing, I try to find out for myself. And according to the Jewish Historian David Cole, it didn't occur, there was no "final solution". But a typhus epidemic did kill over 100,000 jews.


They recently revised the number of jews killed at Auschwitz (they=Polish gov't) from 4 million to 2 million. So why hasn't the "Sacred Six Million" number, dropped to 4 million?

They've turned the Holocaust into a religion!
Ah yes, and the gas chambers are just for show.

The camps were just amusement parks too, but some of the food was bad and sadly despite the best care given by the Aryan Gods they died :(
Luciferius
16-08-2004, 19:08
No, it never occurred.

Too bad.
Communist Mississippi
16-08-2004, 19:09
Ah yes, and the gas chambers are just for show.

The camps were just amusement parks too, but some of the food was bad and sadly despite the best care given by the Aryan Gods they died :(


Watch the video, "Truth Behind the Gates of Auschwitz", it's a real eye opener, see what the gas chambers were really for. (Delousing the clothing and mattresses in attempts to keep typhus outbreaks down) There were no vents in the ceiling in the allied air recon photos. But sure enough, shortly after the soviets took the camps, the vents show up!

It's wrong to put people in internment camps, but there was no plan to wipe them out. We're talking about Germany here, not some tribal county in Central Africa.
Kwangistar
16-08-2004, 19:11
Watch the video, "Truth Behind the Gates of Auschwitz", it's a real eye opener, see what the gas chambers were really for. (Delousing the clothing and mattresses in attempts to keep typhus outbreaks down) There were no vents in the ceiling in the allied air recon photos. But sure enough, shortly after the soviets took the camps, the vents show up!

What about camps liberated by the Western Allies? Did they put in fake vents, too?
Rahle
16-08-2004, 19:11
No they don't. Their Free Will is narrowed by what the Jews want it to be and punishments are in order for those who don't follow their rule. PATRIOT ACT was the first step in silencing opposition to the Jewish establishment.

...May I remind you, sir, that drugs are bad? Just say no.
Sumamba Buwhan
16-08-2004, 19:12
I assume nothing, I try to find out for myself. And according to the Jewish Historian David Cole, it didn't occur, there was no "final solution". But a typhus epidemic did kill over 100,000 jews.


They recently revised the number of jews killed at Auschwitz (they=Polish gov't) from 4 million to 2 million. So why hasn't the "Sacred Six Million" number, dropped to 4 million?

They've turned the Holocaust into a religion!

oh well as long as one Historian says so. And 2-4 million jews being killed is somehow acceptable and/or not a holocaust?

HOw are you or I goign to find out for ourselves how many actually died? You wanna take a trip to go count them yoruself? I don't. I will accept that there was a mass killing of Jews as the evidence suggests and leave it at that. I don't think that we need to feel sorry for the Jews nowadays because of thier past though.
Letila
16-08-2004, 19:13
World War Two itself was made up! It was intended to make anime look bad. Don't fall for the WWHoax!
Tenete Traditiones
16-08-2004, 19:13
Mother of Christ, that is the most defective statement I've heard all day. Humans are humans. Created by God, in His own image. Created by God Himself. As -humans-. Not whites, not asians, not as anything but HUMANS.
Jews are accursed after repeated denial of God and for commiting deicide against Christ and his followers.
As for the others, I dont mean to dust off the CI books but, perhaps Genesis has more allegorical meaning regarding Adam and Eve. The mark of Cain can be the Star of David, as corrupted by the Israeli flag or more likely darker skin and inferior structure.
I'm not here to have a theological debate over the place of the muds right now.