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It made me sick, watching the Olympic opening ceremony, seeing the Israeli Olympic team marching in, it was so beautiful, but for a moment, I was so angry that those men and women were so hated. It is so awful. They got absolutely no applause. They came after Spain, who got a huge round of applause, and when Spain had marched by, and the noise died down, it did not get any louder when Israel came in. No one cheered. It was sickening. The fu***n United Arab Emirates team got more damn applause. The UAE had 3 frickin athletes. It made me sick. Anti-semitism has got to be one of the worst things ever. As a Christian and an American, I am appalled, and I hope to god those athletes are safe through this Olympic games and beyond. God protect them, becuase no one knows what crazy Islamic fundementalist or neo-nazi is going to try to kill them.

There's a difference between disliking Israeli policies, and anti Semitism. But I think that many people use the forward as an excuse for the latter: to justify their blind hate. It's disgusting. But I guess they're use to it. We've all been pulling this shit on them for the past 4,000 years.

I didn't watch that....Did the Israel athletes at least keep there chins up?

It made me sick, watching the Olympic opening ceremony, seeing the Israeli Olympic team marching in, it was so beautiful, but for a moment, I was so angry that those men and women were so hated. It is so awful. They got absolutely no applause. They came after Spain, who got a huge round of applause, and when Spain had marched by, and the noise died down, it did not get any louder when Israel came in. No one cheered. It was sickening. The fu***n United Arab Emirates team got more damn applause. The UAE had 3 frickin athletes. It made me sick. Anti-semitism has got to be one of the worst things ever. As a Christian and an American, I am appalled, and I hope to god those athletes are safe through this Olympic games and beyond. God protect them, becuase no one knows what crazy Islamic fundementalist or neo-nazi is going to try to kill them.

I'm not particularly fond of israel, but that is rather contrary to the Olympic spirit.

cause losers need someone to blame all of their fuck ups on someone, that someone is israel.

I've just heard, btw, that some Iranian wrestler withdrew after he learned he needed to wrestle an Israeli. Sickening. This is against the Olympic spirit. We're supposed to put asside our differences for a few days, and just compete. We can't let grudges hold us from everything. Even the US said it'd try to make a ceasefire in Iraq during this.

Susa,
I completely agree. I'm also a christian and the simple answer to your question is this, Israel is hated because they turned their hearts from God. The bible speaks about it all through 2nd Kings. They turned on God, served other Gods and were punished for it. They never went back to him in full through christ. Thats the cause for their troubles.

I hope Israel wins all of the competition its in (well... comes in 2nd to the USA :))

Susa,
I completely agree. I'm also a christian and the simple answer to your question is this, Israel is hated because they turned their hearts from God. The bible speaks about it all through 2nd Kings. They turned on God, served other Gods and were punished for it. They never went back to him in full through christ. Thats the cause for their troubles.
That doesn't justify our treatment of the Jews, however.

but What about Jesus himself? wasn't he jewish

but What about Jesus himself? wasn't he jewish

There wasn't Christianity back then, since technically Christianity is Judaism, except the Messiah has arrived the first time.

You "people" is the reason i hate religion.

Christianity is an extension of Judaism, and Islam Is a (slightly twisted) extension of the "Gospel" and the Torah. but still that doesn't change the fact that he was jewish.

I've just heard, btw, that some Iranian wrestler withdrew after he learned he needed to wrestle an Israeli. Sickening. This is against the Olympic spirit. We're supposed to put asside our differences for a few days, and just compete. We can't let grudges hold us from everything. Even the US said it'd try to make a ceasefire in Iraq during this.

"try" is, of course, a relative word.

it was easy for all the greek city states to stop fighting for two weeks to compete, but now? with a over a hundred nations and billions of people it's not that easy to persuade people about the "olympic spirit".

"It made me sick, watching the Olympic opening ceremony, seeing the Israeli Olympic team marching in, it was so beautiful, but for a moment, I was so angry that those men and women were so hated. It is so awful. They got absolutely no applause."

Wow . . . the fact that Israel got no applause made you sick . . . Aren't you sensitive? It is strange though that the Israeli army, blowing up Palestinian women and children, doesn't make you "sick."

You know what makes ME barf? Frivolous, self-righteous and pompous people who won't hesitate to chastise others efferously, while their own opinions are nothing but empty rhetoric.

I pretty much hate Israel too... although I do agree it is against the Olympic spirit, where political differences should be set aside in the name of the sports (for fair competition).

However, I don't think it's anti-semitism. Consider the fact that Ariel Sharon (sp?) is someone that many would consider approaching, if not being a war criminal. Consider the fact that Israel DID unfairly take the Palestinian's lands (with the backing of America, I have always always been against U.S support of Israel).

There's more, but I can't think of stuff off the top of my head. I haven't looked into stuff about Israel for a while.

If you really really desire it, I can look it up sometime.

However I think you can understand when I say it's not anti-semitism... I wouldn't care if that country was filled with Atheists, I'd still feel the same way.

cause losers need someone to blame all of their fuck ups on someone, that someone is israel.

Please don't set yourself up like this ever again. Your blatant ignorance is so evident that beginning to ridicule you is oh so tempting . . .

Anti-Semitism is obviously a problem and people try to mask it as being Anti-Israel. Obviously not everyone who is Anti-Israel is anti-Semitic, but a lot are. Some people obviously don't even try to make it acceptable to people and just admit that they're anti-Semitic. A look at the ADL reports, though, show that it is pervasive...

Wow . . . the fact that Israel got no applause made you sick . . . Aren't you sensitive? It is strange though that the Israeli army, blowing up Palestinian women and children, doesn't make you "sick."


So this is a reason for the attendees there to not applaud the Israelis? Because of their government, without regards to the people?

The bible speaks about it all through 2nd Kings. They turned on God, served other Gods and were punished for it. They never went back to him in full through christ. Thats the cause for their troubles.

:rolleyes:

Israel is a great nation. I love it. Like any nation, I don't agree with everything it does, but when suicide bombings are a regular thing, you have to expect some radically different ways of governing. I wish I had the money to fly over there and help them build that wall; I'd do it with honor, assuming I'd survive.

But if people don't want to applaud Israel, they don't have to.

And to answer your question of why is Israel hated?

Well, Israel is mostly Jewish, and the Jews seem to have been always hated.

So this is a reason for the attendees there to not applaud the Israelis? Because of their government, without regards to the people?

Just like everything else these days... :C

Wow . . . the fact that Israel got no applause made you sick . . . Aren't you sensitive? It is strange though that the Israeli army, blowing up Palestinian women and children, doesn't make you "sick."

You know what makes ME barf? Frivolous, self-righteous and pompous people who won't hesitate to chastise others efferously, while their own opinions are nothing but empty rhetoric.



ah im sick of this crap, get off the DURR ISRAEL IZ KILLN INNOCENT PPL AND EATING THEIR BABBIES bandwagon ?? you never mention the arabs that are blowing up buses with children and dance clubs ON PURPOSE

ah im sick of this crap, get off the DURR ISRAEL IZ KILLN INNOCENT PPL AND EATING THEIR BABBIES bandwagon ?? you never mention the arabs that are blowing up buses with children and dance clubs ON PURPOSE
hate to jump in on the whole israel vs. palestine thing, but so are the Israelis. On purpose. Neither side is innocent here.

Anti-Semitism is obviously a problem and people try to mask it as being Anti-Israel. Obviously not everyone who is Anti-Israel is anti-Semitic, but a lot are. Some people obviously don't even try to make it acceptable to people and just admit that they're anti-Semitic. A look at the ADL reports, though, show that it is pervasive...

Generalities, generalities. . . Your dear AJC and ADL did not hesitate for a second to offer files on Jewish leftists and actively collaborate in the hunt of the McCarthy era.

It is not a matter of anti-semitism AT ALL. It is a matter of economic power . . . "Anti-semitism" is just masking a cowardly Imperialist trend.

It is not a matter of anti-semitism AT ALL. It is a matter of economic power . . . "Anti-semitism" is just masking a cowardly Imperialist trend.
An imperialist trend to hate Jews?

Their government should be a non-issue here, because tonight and the next weeks are about the atheletes, who are not responsible for terrorrist acts or their leader's errors. They worked as hard as everyone else and are here for peaceable competition, to reap the fruits of their labors, they dreamed about this night as much as anybody else. They are mere citizens of a nation you may disagree with but they have no control over. They are atheletes, not politicians, so laud them as others or leave them alone.

hate to jump in on the whole israel vs. palestine thing, but so are the Israelis. On purpose. Neither side is innocent here.


bullcrap, israel targets terrorist targets, they hide behind kids and civilian population, these savages deserve to die.

ah im sick of this crap, get off the DURR ISRAEL IZ KILLN INNOCENT PPL AND EATING THEIR BABBIES bandwagon ?? you never mention the arabs that are blowing up buses with children and dance clubs ON PURPOSE

Uh. . . Are you aware of the fact that Israel has been occupying territories belonging to the Arab states ever since its establishment?

Did you ever hear of the Six Day war? A pre-emptive strike in which Israel occupied the Sinai peninsula, the West Bank and Golan Heights, and Destroyed almost entire Egyptian Air Force on ground?

Did you know that Israel has been continuosly been violating international law and human rights for years?

And you're bitching because Palestinians are blowing themselves up? I would be throwing stones too in such conditions.

Get your facts straight sparky, then I won't mind addressing you.

You must understand; The dislike of Israel does not equate Anti-Semitism.

Now, I'm sure there are many people who disguise Anti-Semitism under the veil of dislike for Israeli policies. But I don't encounter those people frequently.

Baikal: The fact that one person did something bad does not make the other person better.

how wise. take out your anger towards violent, militiant factions against track runners and swimmers. what could be more logical.

ah im sick of this crap, get off the DURR ISRAEL IZ KILLN INNOCENT PPL AND EATING THEIR BABBIES bandwagon ?? you never mention the arabs that are blowing up buses with children and dance clubs ON PURPOSE

I agree totally. Let's condemn Israel for everything it does. Let's bash them as if they target civilians and ignore it when the terrorists do it.

Israel never intentionally targets civilians. Unfortunately, terrorists have purposely tried to hide among the civilian population in an effort to use the Israeli army's morality against it. The terrorists themselves do not care about the lives of innocent Palestinians, which is why they are not hesitant to use them as shields. This behavior is a violation of international law. Article 51 of the 1977 amendment to the 1949 Geneva Conventions specifically prohibts the use of human shields:

"The presence or movements of the civilian population or individual civilians shall not be used to render certain points or areas immune from military operations, in particular attempts to shield military objects from attacks or to shield, favor or impede military operations."

Thus, the terrorists are ultimately responsible for noncombatants who are inadvertently killed or wounded as a result of the terrorists' practice of hiding among civilians to use them as shields.

But let's just blame Israel for it.

An imperialist trend to hate Jews?

No, an imperialist trend to support a TERRORIST STATE that has been occupying lands illegally for years and violating human rights.

Give me facts buddy.

Anti-Semitism is obviously a problem and people try to mask it as being Anti-Israel. Obviously not everyone who is Anti-Israel is anti-Semitic, but a lot are. Some people obviously don't even try to make it acceptable to people and just admit that they're anti-Semitic. A look at the ADL reports, though, show that it is pervasive...
Anti-anti Israeli Statism is obviously a problem and people try to mask it as standing up to anti-semitism. Obviously not everyone accused of being anti-semitic isnt, but a lot are not. I wouldnt have cheered for a delegation directly representing the Israeli state at this time.

So this is a reason for the attendees there to not applaud the Israelis? Because of their government, without regards to the people?
I cant tell you why, because I have not asked them all. However have you considered the fact that the 'people' were not there as 'people', but rather as a representative delegation of their nation state? I would happily applaud the hard working Israeli's who have through hard work earned the honour of competing in the Olympics. I wish them all the best, but that does not mean I have to cheer a nation state whose conduct I happen to disapprove of. When the individuals and teams compete, although they also represent Israel, they are representing themselves and their own hard work, and I happily applaud them, at the opening ceremonies they are a delegation representing a nation state whose current conduct I do not applaud, and I prefer for the government of that nation state to know that.

What really gets my goat is the minimalising of the abhorrence of anti semitism - something that the Israeli government encourage. Really if a criminal is caught trying to fraudulently obtain a passport, and they are then subjected to due process as woud be any other such criminal, and this is called anti semitism, what then can you call the disgusting desecration of Jewish graves several weeks later. Surely not the same thing, since that would imply that desecrating graves is equivalent to people being subjected to due legal process, and I think that it's quite clear these two things are not in any way the same.

In summary stop crying 'anti semitism' unless that is what it is. Anti semitism is not something that should be minimalised in this fashion. Political censure is a legitimate means of making your opinion known, and not to be mistaken with for instance claiming that the reason innocent Jewish children get blown to bits, is that they themselves are to blame because of their religous beliefs....that is anti semitism, and notably came from one of the posters supporting the original post in this thread.

I am not an anti-Semite. I have many friends who are Jewish. I believe that the way in which the Palestinians are attempting to gain recognition is, at the same time, counterproductive, and counter-Islamic. I do not, however, believe that Israel can make any excuses for their actions. Due process is a term wholly foreign to Israeli "justice." If you think what happened at Al-Ghraib is bad, don't even ask about Israeli intelligence, and their means of interrogation. Prisoners of Israel would beg to be sent to Al-Ghraib or Guantanamo. That said, I completely disagree with refusing to applaud the athletes from Israel. These are men and women who have worked at least as hard as any Greek athlete, possibly more so considering the daily war within with which these young men and women have to live. They should be applauded with at least as much gusto as the next country.

bullcrap, israel targets terrorist targets, they hide behind kids and civilian population, these savages deserve to die.

In 1976, a UN proposal for a two-state settlement, guaranteeing every state of the region “to live in peace within secure and recognized borders” arose.

The "savages" from Jordan, Syria, Egypt, the PLO and virtually the rest of the world endorsed this proposal.

But the U.S. vetoed it . . . Hmm. . . Can you give me your facts, you "informed young man" you!

Did you ever hear of the Six Day war? A pre-emptive strike in which Israel occupied the Sinai peninsula, the West Bank and Golan Heights, and Destroyed almost entire Egyptian Air Force on ground?

Pre-emptive does not mean unprovoked. Let's not forget about Syria's attacks on Israeli kibbutzim from the Golan Heights.

No, an imperialist trend to support a TERRORIST STATE that has been occupying lands illegally for years and violating human rights.

Give me facts buddy.
Evidence of what, a hate against Jews? As recently as August 9th in France, 60 gravestones were vandalized with swastikas at a Jewish cemetery.

First, a survery on Europe, which states that Anti-Semetism is decreasing from levels 2 years ago but still a problem :
http://www.adl.org/anti_semitism/european_attitudes_april_2004.pdf

and one on the USA :
http://www.adl.org/PresRele/ASUS_12/4109_12.asp

Russia :
http://www.adl.org/PresRele/ASInt_13/3469_13.asp?&MSHiC=1252&L=10&W=POLLEN+poll+POLLED+POLLING+POLLS+&Pre=%3CFONT+STYLE%3D%22color%3A+%23000000%3B+background%2Dcolor%3A+%23FFFF00%22%3E&Post=%3C%2FFONT%3E

And an article :
http://www.adl.org/Anti_semitism/global_anti_semitism_explosion.asp?&MSHiC=1252&L=10&W=POLLEN+poll+POLLED+POLLING+POLLS+&Pre=%3CFONT+STYLE%3D%22color%3A+%23000000%3B+background%2Dcolor%3A+%23FFFF00%22%3E&Post=%3C%2FFONT%3E

Great, we're talking about foreign policy and international politics and you give me information about some graffitti in a cemetery. :rolleyes:

Uh. . . Are you aware of the fact that Israel has been occupying territories belonging to the Arab states ever since its establishment?

Did you ever hear of the Six Day war? A pre-emptive strike in which Israel occupied the Sinai peninsula, the West Bank and Golan Heights, and Destroyed almost entire Egyptian Air Force on ground?

Did you know that Israel has been continuosly been violating international law and human rights for years?

And you're bitching because Palestinians are blowing themselves up? I would be throwing stones too in such conditions.

Get your facts straight sparky, then I won't mind addressing you.

well you started this but did not finnish it. how many times had israel been attacked by these same powers? where these same powers getting ready to attack again?
you used some truth to make your point but left out the more important parts that would have made your statment look foolish.
now i know the awnsers to these qustions i posed but i want you to do a little reserch and maybe you wont be so dam one sided.

p.s after you are done and have the awnsers to these qustions and see the circumstances tell me you would not have done close to what the israel did. and you will have to go back to the early 1900's to get a clear picture. ie population break up and how many where there.

Pre-emptive does not mean unprovoked. Let's not forget about Syria's attacks on Israeli kibbutzim from the Golan Heights.

Sweetie . . . The Golan heights does not belong to Israel. It is occupied by Israel.

Great, we're talking about foreign policy and international politics and you give me information about some graffitti in a cemetery. :rolleyes:
You asked for evidence of anti-Semitism, didn't you? The cemetery was just the most recent of many examples of how a lot of times its not Anti-Israel, its Anti-Jew. Of course the links show that, too.

well you started this but did not finnish it. how many times had israel been attacked by these same powers? where these same powers getting ready to attack again?
you used some truth to make your point but left out the more important parts that would have made your statment look foolish.
now i know the awnsers to these qustions i posed but i want you to do a little reserch and maybe you wont be so dam one sided.

p.s after you are done and have the awnsers to these qustions and see the circumstances tell me you would not have done close to what the israel did. and you will have to go back to the early 1900's to get a clear picture. ie population break up and how many where there.

Again more superfluous generalities. Please address particular points that you disagree with. But if you admit that you must do some research, then do so, by all means!

Hint: The ADL and the Jewish Library won't do as an impartial source.;)

Uh. . . Are you aware of the fact that Israel has been occupying territories belonging to the Arab states ever since its establishment?
there was never such state as palestine, there was only a region named palestine, no such thing as palestinian!, they are same arabs

Did you ever hear of the Six Day war? A pre-emptive strike in which Israel occupied the Sinai peninsula, the West Bank and Golan Heights, and Destroyed almost entire Egyptian Air Force on ground?

did you ever hear that syria used the Golan Heights, which tower 3,000 feet above the Galilee, to shell Israeli farms and villages?, nasser "We shall not enter Palestine with its soil covered in sand," he said on March 8, 1965. "We shall enter it with its soil saturated in blood."

what about all the raids on israel??

May 15, Israel's Independence Day, Egyptian troops began moving into the Sinai and massing near the Israeli border. By May 18, Syrian troops were prepared for battle along the Golan Heights.

and the comment about egypt airforce is dumb, ITS WAR what the hell did you expect? throw flowers on their aircraft so they can later bomb israel into submission?


"We shall not complain any more to the UN about Israel. The sole method we shall apply against Israel is total war, which will result in the extermination of Zionist existence"


Did you know that Israel has been continuosly been violating international law and human rights for years?
and where are you from exactly mr justice?? let me guess, USA? if so dont talk if your own table is not clean

And you're bitching because Palestinians are blowing themselves up? I would be throwing stones too in such conditions.
their purpose is to destroy israel, and demorilise it by blowing up civilians

Get your facts straight sparky, then I won't mind addressing you.
you already addressed me now you idiot



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Sweetie . . . The Goan heights does not belong to Israel. It is occupied by Israel.

THEY ATTACKED IT WAS A WAR what the hell are you expecting???, they lost it and can go herding their camels. WELCOEM TO THE REAL WORLD

Israel is a great nation. I love it. Like any nation, I don't agree with everything it does, but when suicide bombings are a regular thing, you have to expect some radically different ways of governing. I wish I had the money to fly over there and help them build that wall; I'd do it with honor, assuming I'd survive.

But if people don't want to applaud Israel, they don't have to.

And to answer your question of why is Israel hated?

Well, Israel is mostly Jewish, and the Jews seem to have been always hated.


when one nation so degrades and oppresses another that they lose all hope and turn to suicide bombing as a last depairing act of defiance, then that same state turns around and uses these sad acts as justification for further oppression. then whines about antisemitism when they are hated all i can feel is contempt.

Ah yes, the whole Israel vs. Palestine issue...

If you ask me, I'd say that both sides are as bad as each other. Isreal started it, and the Palestinians continue it, seeing it as the only way they can fight back (you seen a Palestinian army anywhere?).

Neither side is 'right'. Ultimately, they're both slaughtering innocent civilians, something I believe is inexcusable and uneccessary if both sides actually behaved like adults.

Anti-Semitism, while it does exist, is little more than a poor excuse for this situation. It's like a white man killing a black man for raping his child, and calling it an act of racism.

As for the Athens opening ceremony, at least the crowd wasn't childish enough to actually boo them... :rolleyes:

In between all the drug scandals and commercialism, the Olympics has lost most of it's meaning anyway.

A look at the ADL reports,


The same ADL that stole over 3,000 police files from a California Police Department and shared the information with the South African Apartheid government?

The same ADL that lost a 12 million dollar lawsuit for defamation after they cost a Christian white male his job by printing in the paper "He's an anti-semite" just because he got into a verbal fight with a jewish neighbor over unrelated reasons.


The same ADL that is thoroughly discredited is the eyes of sane people.

I agree totally. Let's condemn Israel for everything it does. Let's bash them as if they target civilians and ignore it when the terrorists do it.

Israel never intentionally targets civilians. Unfortunately, terrorists have purposely tried to hide among the civilian population in an effort to use the Israeli army's morality against it. The terrorists themselves do not care about the lives of innocent Palestinians, which is why they are not hesitant to use them as shields. This behavior is a violation of international law. Article 51 of the 1977 amendment to the 1949 Geneva Conventions specifically prohibts the use of human shields:

"The presence or movements of the civilian population or individual civilians shall not be used to render certain points or areas immune from military operations, in particular attempts to shield military objects from attacks or to shield, favor or impede military operations."

Thus, the terrorists are ultimately responsible for noncombatants who are inadvertently killed or wounded as a result of the terrorists' practice of hiding among civilians to use them as shields.

But let's just blame Israel for it.

so when isreal fires missiles into crowded market places to kill militants in cars there, its the militants fault when civilians are killed because they should have stood out in the middle of a feild waiting to be murdered, that's disgusting logic. typical blame the victums mentality. you probably thing women who wear short dresses deserve to be raped too.

It made me sick, watching the Olympic opening ceremony, seeing the Israeli Olympic team marching in, it was so beautiful, but for a moment, I was so angry that those men and women were so hated. It is so awful. They got absolutely no applause. They came after Spain, who got a huge round of applause, and when Spain had marched by, and the noise died down, it did not get any louder when Israel came in. No one cheered. It was sickening. The fu***n United Arab Emirates team got more damn applause. The UAE had 3 frickin athletes. It made me sick. Anti-semitism has got to be one of the worst things ever. As a Christian and an American, I am appalled, and I hope to god those athletes are safe through this Olympic games and beyond. God protect them, becuase no one knows what crazy Islamic fundementalist or neo-nazi is going to try to kill them.

Whats wrong with the UAE? I like them more than Israel - mostly because Israel is home to the most extremist Jews on the planet - but not as bad as the Fucking United States.

It made me sick, watching the Olympic opening ceremony, seeing the Israeli Olympic team marching in, it was so beautiful, but for a moment, I was so angry that those men and women were so hated. It is so awful. They got absolutely no applause. They came after Spain, who got a huge round of applause, and when Spain had marched by, and the noise died down, it did not get any louder when Israel came in. No one cheered. It was sickening. The fu***n United Arab Emirates team got more damn applause. The UAE had 3 frickin athletes. It made me sick. Anti-semitism has got to be one of the worst things ever. As a Christian and an American, I am appalled, and I hope to god those athletes are safe through this Olympic games and beyond. God protect them, becuase no one knows what crazy Islamic fundementalist or neo-nazi is going to try to kill them.

Because the Israeli government is a genocidal, war crime comiting nation. Though I'll have to agree. The athletes deserved an applause, the athletes do not represent the governments decisions. Keep in mind that Israel does not represent the Jewish religion.

Whats wrong with the UAE?.


primitive, try living there and you will get beheaded for being an "infidel", and nothing useful came out from them but oil.

THEY ATTACKED IT WAS A WAR what the hell are you expecting???, they lost it and can go herding their camels. WELCOEM TO THE REAL WORLD

strange we don't allow any other nations in modern times to expand there borders through military conquest, but its okay for isreal. i wonder where sadaam got the idea he could annex kuwait... hmmm

The same ADL that is thoroughly discredited is the eyes of sane people.
Show me how their methodology on their polls are wrong or what they report (Ie the cemetery incident) is made up? Yeah, they did some bad things. They got reprimanded for the one about the job. Take a look at their reports (the ones about the USA and Europe) and they say their polling methodolgy and display the questions asked.

Because the Israeli government is a genocidal, war crime comiting nation. Though I'll have to agree. The athletes deserved an applause, the athletes do not represent the governments decisions. Keep in mind that Israel does not represent the Jewish religion.

american.. your nation has caused the most genocide :), so shut up and look at your own nation before speaking about israel.

primitive, try living there and you will get beheaded for being an "infidel", and nothing useful came out from them but oil.


racist overgeneralizing much?

Sweetie . . . The Golan heights does not belong to Israel. It is occupied by Israel.

Between 1948 and 1967, Syria controlled the Golan Heights and used it as a military stronghold from which its troops randomly sniped at Israeli civilians in the Hula Valley below, forcing children living on kibbutzim to sleep in bomb shelters. In addition, many roads in northern Israel could be crossed only after being cleared by mine-detection vehicles. In late 1966, a youth was blown to pieces by a mine while playing football near the Lebanon border. In some cases, attacks were carried out by Yasser Arafat's Fatah, which Syria allowed to operate from its territory.

Israel repeatedly, and unsuccessfully, protested the Syrian bombardments to the UN Mixed Armistice Commission, which was charged with enforcing the cease-fire. For example, Israel went to the UN in October 1966 to demand a halt to the Fatah attacks. The response from Damascus was defiant. "It is not our duty to stop them, but to encourage and strengthen them," the Syrian ambassador responded.

Nothing was done to stop Syria's aggression. A mild Security Council resolution expressing "regret" for such incidents was vetoed by the Soviet Union. Meanwhile, Israel was condemned by the UN when it retaliated. "As far as the Security Council was officially concerned," historian Netanel Lorch wrote, "there was an open season for killing Israelis on their own territory."

After the Six-Day War began, the Syrian air force attempted to bomb oil refineries in Haifa. While Israel was fighting in the Sinai and West Bank, Syrian artillery bombarded Israeli forces in the eastern Galilee, and armored units fired on villages in the Hula Valley below the Golan Heights.

On June 9, 1967, Israel moved against Syrian forces on the Golan. By late afternoon, June 10, Israel was in complete control of the plateau. Israel's seizure of the strategic heights occurred only after 19 years of provocation from Syria, and after unsuccessful efforts to get the international community to act against the aggressors.

Simply put, Israel didn't acquire the Golan Heights in a war of aggression.

american.. your nation has caused the most genocide :), so shut up and look at your own nation before speaking about israel.


hey the us is the only friend you got, don't start sassing the hand that supplies your war machine now.

american.. your nation has caused the most genocide :), so shut up and look at your own nation before speaking about israel.

heh, who says I'm an American? So shut up and get your facts straight before speaking about me. :)

racist overgeneralizing much?


nono, it is the truth, i live in this shithole named middle east,

try coming to one of the muslim nations and see how they will stone you cause you look foreign (infidel).

hey the us is the only friend you got, don't start sassing the hand that supplies your war machine now.


most jews are in POWER, ie have control of most usa, us against israel= usa will turn into a 3rd world banana republic.

Again more superfluous generalities. Please address particular points that you disagree with. But if you admit that you must do some research, then do so, by all means!

Hint: The ADL and the Jewish Library won't do as an impartial source.;)
sorry bud but if i do your home work for you will you ever learn anything.
and by the way i rember the new reports for this the first time around. i did my research as part of a class project.
i pretty much led you by the hand as to where you had to go with this but by all meens put your head in the sand. unless you allready know and deliberately with held the rest of the facts

american.. your nation has caused the most genocide :), so shut up and look at your own nation before speaking about israel.
Hmm how has the USA caused genocide? The closest thing in recent history, I think, would be Vietnam. Which is far from "the most genocide", especially compared to some Communists & of course the atrocities that went on in WW2.

Between 1948 and 1967, Syria controlled the Golan Heights and used it as a military stronghold from which its troops randomly sniped at Israeli civilians in the Hula Valley below, forcing children living on kibbutzim to sleep in bomb shelters. In addition, many roads in northern Israel could be crossed only after being cleared by mine-detection vehicles. In late 1966, a youth was blown to pieces by a mine while playing football near the Lebanon border. In some cases, attacks were carried out by Yasser Arafat's Fatah, which Syria allowed to operate from its territory.

Israel repeatedly, and unsuccessfully, protested the Syrian bombardments to the UN Mixed Armistice Commission, which was charged with enforcing the cease-fire. For example, Israel went to the UN in October 1966 to demand a halt to the Fatah attacks. The response from Damascus was defiant. "It is not our duty to stop them, but to encourage and strengthen them," the Syrian ambassador responded.

Nothing was done to stop Syria's aggression. A mild Security Council resolution expressing "regret" for such incidents was vetoed by the Soviet Union. Meanwhile, Israel was condemned by the UN when it retaliated. "As far as the Security Council was officially concerned," historian Netanel Lorch wrote, "there was an open season for killing Israelis on their own territory."

After the Six-Day War began, the Syrian air force attempted to bomb oil refineries in Haifa. While Israel was fighting in the Sinai and West Bank, Syrian artillery bombarded Israeli forces in the eastern Galilee, and armored units fired on villages in the Hula Valley below the Golan Heights.

On June 9, 1967, Israel moved against Syrian forces on the Golan. By late afternoon, June 10, Israel was in complete control of the plateau. Israel's seizure of the strategic heights occurred only after 19 years of provocation from Syria, and after unsuccessful efforts to get the international community to act against the aggressors.

Simply put, Israel didn't acquire the Golan Heights in a war of aggression.

cut and paste all the propaganda tracts you want, it won't change the fact that virtually everyone in the world outside the us knows you stole that land and someday you'll have to give it back.

heh, who says I'm an American? So shut up and get your facts straight before speaking about me. :)


then who are you exactly?

Hey Mods, better close this thread quick!

It's about to turn into a volcano.

there was never such state as palestine, there was only a region named palestine, no such thing as palestinian!, they are same arabs

So Egypt, Syria, Lebanon et al are fictitious states? When the Brits left, the land was . . . Divided?

If you don't know this then I don't know why I'm even bothering to respond, but what the hell . . .

did you ever hear that syria used the Golan Heights, which tower 3,000 feet above the Galilee, to shell Israeli farms and villages?, nasser "We shall not enter Palestine with its soil covered in sand," he said on March 8, 1965. "We shall enter it with its soil saturated in blood."

what about all the raids on israel??

May 15, Israel's Independence Day, Egyptian troops began moving into the Sinai and massing near the Israeli border. By May 18, Syrian troops were prepared for battle along the Golan Heights.

Uh huh, after Israel captured some 5,000 sq. Km and ejected some 750,000 Palestinians into exile, uh huh . . .


and the comment about egypt airforce is dumb, ITS WAR what the hell did you expect? throw flowers on their aircraft so they can later bomb israel into submission?

"It's war"? I think you missed the most important part of my post . . . It was a pre-emptive strike. Do you know what the word "pre-emptive" means? It's okay, now you'll have time to look it up. :)

and where are you from exactly mr justice??

Miss Justice that would be . . .

let me guess, USA? if so dont talk if your own table is not clean

Wrong. I live in Canada, but I'm originally from an underdog country. And nope, I'm not an Arab.

their purpose is to destroy israel, and demorilise it by blowing up civilians

And what is Israel doing? What is its purpose in occupying lands that don't belong to it and making life impossible for Palestinians?

you already addressed me now you idiot

And I do mind it? (d'uh)

cut and paste all the propaganda tracts you want, it won't change the fact that virtually everyone in the world outside the us knows you stole that land and someday you'll have to give it back.

Israel's already given back about 93% of the land it acquired. Give them time, and we'll likely see it all be given back.

american.. your nation has caused the most genocide :), so shut up and look at your own nation before speaking about israel.

True, Americans have committed, both directly and indirectly, acts of genocide. They are also the World's leading terrorist nation - but Israel are their puppet, thier policeman in the middle-east, an outpost of US Hegemony. They are just as bad and they are home to the most right wing jews in the World.

most jews are in POWER, ie have control of most usa, us against israel= usa will turn into a 3rd world banana republic.
I see, and how do they control most of the USA again? The Presidency? Congress? Votes?

Hmm how has the USA caused genocide? The closest thing in recent history, I think, would be Vietnam. Which is far from "the most genocide", especially compared to some Communists & of course the atrocities that went on in WW2.


all across the world, nam, korea, Laos, Cambodia, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan i can go on and on..

sorry bud but if i do your home work for you will you ever learn anything.
and by the way i rember the new reports for this the first time around. i did my research as part of a class project.
i pretty much led you by the hand as to where you had to go with this but by all meens put your head in the sand. unless you allready know and deliberately with held the rest of the facts

You led me by the hand? LOL

Please, go ahead, address a particular point! I don't mind at all! ;)

I've just heard, btw, that some Iranian wrestler withdrew after he learned he needed to wrestle an Israeli. Sickening. This is against the Olympic spirit. We're supposed to put asside our differences for a few days, and just compete. We can't let grudges hold us from everything. Even the US said it'd try to make a ceasefire in Iraq during this.

Piss off it is. The Olympics has allways been Full of Political "Influences"
When the Olympics were in Russia, all over "Freedom" loving countries were offering Cash to Athletes I'f they chose not to go.

most jews are in POWER, ie have control of most usa, us against israel= usa will turn into a 3rd world banana republic.

oh now i caught you, your really a nazi pretending to be a jew. because that's just what a nazi propaganda tract would have a jew say about the us, but of course real sane people don't believe that crap about zog and international jewish conspiracies do they. of course not, my little white supremacist friend. caught ya!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I see, and how do they control most of the USA again? The Presidency? Congress? Votes?

Do you have any idea how powerful the Jewish Lobby is in New York?

Not to mention the power of Corporations.

Or over the media.

Or The Economy (Greenspan).

I'm sorry to say it, I'm not a racist - but they *do* dominate America, its simple fact, just look at the way the Media portrays Israel, as a young freedom loving nation who never do anything wrong, most Americans don't even know Israel is breaching International Law.

I see, and how do they control most of the USA again? The Presidency? Congress? Votes?


The people who cast the votes don't decide an election, the people
who count the votes do ;)

Hmm how has the USA caused genocide? The closest thing in recent history, I think, would be Vietnam. Which is far from "the most genocide", especially compared to some Communists & of course the atrocities that went on in WW2.

By supporting Genocidal dictators throughout Latin America, for instance?

oh now i caught you, your really a nazi pretending to be a jew. because that's just what a nazi propaganda tract would have a jew say about the us, but of course real sane people don't believe that crap about zog and international jewish conspiracies do they. of course not, my little white supremacist friend. caught ya!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sharon himself said that the jews controls usa :)

all across the world, nam, korea, Laos, Cambodia, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan i can go on and on..
Please do. Statute 6 of the ICC defines Genocide as "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group", the following acts being :

(a) Killing members of the group;

(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
So, war obviously creates casualties and many of these casualties are innocent people. This dosen't mean that any act of war is genocide, as noted by the definition the act must be carried out with the intent to destroy the group in whole or part. The US is not out to kill Arabs, to kill Serbs, or Koreans just because they are Arabic, Serbian, or Korean. Stretching it, you could make a case that there was genocide, especially on the local level, occuring in Vietnam but even then its a stretch.

I see, and how do they control most of the USA again? The Presidency? Congress? Votes?

Well, owning mass media outlets does help to bring blind partisans to your cause, like the idiot who started this thread, who obviously hasn't picked a history book up in her life.

True, Americans have committed, both directly and indirectly, acts of genocide. They are also the World's leading terrorist nation - but Israel are their puppet, thier policeman in the middle-east, an outpost of US Hegemony. They are just as bad and they are home to the most right wing jews in the World.
well lets be honest america and isreal have a complex relationship, neither is puppet or puppet master though both do seem to have one hand shoved up past the elbow in the others...

Well, owning mass media outlets does help to bring blind partisans to your cause, like the idiot who started this thread, who obviously hasn't picked a history book up in her life.

Exactly - It was an impulsive action of somebody afflicted with 'the patriotism' , he/she needs treatment for this disease immediately!

sharon himself said that the jews controls usa :)

and the nazis love quoting that, just admit it, your a nazi not a jew...lol

So, war obviously creates casualties and many of these casualties are innocent people. This dosen't mean that any act of war is genocide, as noted by the definition the act must be carried out with the intent to destroy the group in whole or part. The US is not out to kill Arabs, to kill Serbs, or Koreans just because they are Arabic, Serbian, or Korean. Stretching it, you could make a case that there was genocide, especially on the local level, occuring in Vietnam but even then its a stretch.

Google Dictator Rios Montt. IT WAS GENOCIDE AGAINST INDIGENOUS PEOPLE. IT WAS SUPPORTED BY THE U.S.

By supporting Genocidal dictators throughout Latin America, for instance?
Hm, some of these genocidal dictators? Horrible people, yes. Genocidal? Not usually. Besides, support dosen't equal the US engaging in acts of genocide, as reprehensible as supporting someone like Pinochet may have been.

There were over 3000 other murdered women, men and children in yugo,

Most were far more horribly mutilated. Many people were decapitated or had arms, legs, hands and feet severed by American cluster bombs. Many people were burned alive by napalm and fuel-air bombs. At least 9000 more human beings were injured or severely maimed by these American weapons of mass destruction dropped by American/NATO pilots. Many of the victims are children


Many people were exposed to the radiation of the 100,000 rounds of American depleted uranium bullets and missiles that were fired by NATO pilots. Because of this there will be a lot of cases of leukemia and cancer among the Yugoslavian population in years to come

American/NATO pilots assaulted the entire nation with over 40,000 sorties, dropping approximately 20,000 tons of bombs — more tonnage than the Nazis dropped in all of World War II

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The United States Air Force dropped the equivalent of a planeload of bombs every eight minutes for nine years on the people of Laos — from 1965 to 1973. Over 2,000,000 tons.

This was some of the heaviest aerial bombardment in world history.

Estimated civilian deaths: 500,000 men, women and children

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The direct American genocide of the Cambodian people lasted from 1969 to 1973. After that the Khmer Rouge, covertly supported by the U.S. government, continued the genocide.

Estimated civilian deaths: 2,000,000 — 2,500,000 people
from U.S. Air Force carpet-bombing and the Khmer Rouge combined.

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afghanistan

According to research by Marc Herold, an economics professor at the University of New Hampshire, and others, American/British state terrorists have murdered an estimated minimum of 24,000 civilian people so far, including women, children and elderly people — innocent people who had nothing whatsoever to do with the September 11 attacks.

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should i even talk about vietnam?

PAtriotism Is a disease frankly. If your Patriotic and uninformed your Ripe to be exploited.

Amazing how quickly threads, no matter their original puprose, can turn in anti-American ones.

*Begs the mods to close*

well lets be honest america and isreal have a complex relationship, neither is puppet or puppet master though both do seem to have one hand shoved up past the elbow in the others...

Oh, I would say Israel has always been a Junior Partner of the US - The US needs Israel though (to enforce Hegemony in the Middle East), but not as much as Israel needs the US to provide it with the weapons and currency to perform these illegal actions. The building of settlements in strategic areas is just another example of this - Israel is fortifying itself to be ready for any attempts from The Palestinians to remove the Israelis from thier illegal settlements.

and the nazis love quoting that, just admit it, your a nazi not a jew...lol


ok, im an ultra-nationalist jew. :)

By supporting Genocidal dictators throughout Latin America, for instance?
come on most latin american dictators aren't actually genocidal, maybe guatamala in the 60s and 70 and maybe 80, and by neglect brazil. most however brutal and oppressive really aren't trying to exterminate any ethnic groups.

Google Dictator Rios Montt. IT WAS GENOCIDE AGAINST INDIGENOUS PEOPLE. IT WAS SUPPORTED BY THE U.S.
Ok, I asked for an example and you provided it. This, as I said, dosen't equal the US engaging in acts of genocide, and even if you count it as such, it dosen't mean that the US has been the biggest perpetrator of genocide in recent history. At the end of the civil war in 1996, some 200,000 people were dead, which is a sad thing. It pales in comparison to say the artificial famines or the mass deportations that happened in the USSR.

Oh, I would say Israel has always been a Junior Partner of the US - The US needs Israel though (to enforce Hegemony in the Middle East), but not as much as Israel needs the US to provide it with the weapons and currency to perform these illegal actions. The building of settlements in strategic areas is just another example of this - Israel is fortifying itself to be ready for any attempts from The Palestinians to remove the Israelis from thier illegal settlements.

Well, the UN Security Council, in Resolution 242, acknowledged that Israel was entitled to claim at least part of these lands for new defensible borders.

And Israel withdrew from 91% of the territories when it gave up the Sinai. So they appear to have just the "part" that the Resolution authorized.

Hm, some of these genocidal dictators? Horrible people, yes. Genocidal? Not usually. Besides, support dosen't equal the US engaging in acts of genocide, as reprehensible as supporting someone like Pinochet may have been.

Rios Montt Killed thousands of indians just because they were indians . . . How the hell is that not genocide? Dude, those mental gymnastics of yours must be exhausting. . .

There were over 3000 other murdered women, men and children in yugo,

Most were far more horribly mutilated. Many people were decapitated or had arms, legs, hands and feet severed by American cluster bombs. Many people were burned alive by napalm and fuel-air bombs. At least 9000 more human beings were injured or severely maimed by these American weapons of mass destruction dropped by American/NATO pilots. Many of the victims are children


Many people were exposed to the radiation of the 100,000 rounds of American depleted uranium bullets and missiles that were fired by NATO pilots. Because of this there will be a lot of cases of leukemia and cancer among the Yugoslavian population in years to come

American/NATO pilots assaulted the entire nation with over 40,000 sorties, dropping approximately 20,000 tons of bombs — more tonnage than the Nazis dropped in all of World War II

---------

The United States Air Force dropped the equivalent of a planeload of bombs every eight minutes for nine years on the people of Laos — from 1965 to 1973. Over 2,000,000 tons.

This was some of the heaviest aerial bombardment in world history.

Estimated civilian deaths: 500,000 men, women and children

------------


The direct American genocide of the Cambodian people lasted from 1969 to 1973. After that the Khmer Rouge, covertly supported by the U.S. government, continued the genocide.

Estimated civilian deaths: 2,000,000 — 2,500,000 people
from U.S. Air Force carpet-bombing and the Khmer Rouge combined.

---------
afghanistan

According to research by Marc Herold, an economics professor at the University of New Hampshire, and others, American/British state terrorists have murdered an estimated minimum of 24,000 civilian people so far, including women, children and elderly people — innocent people who had nothing whatsoever to do with the September 11 attacks.

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should i even talk about vietnam?


quoting

should i even talk about vietnam?
Where's the basis for these claims? A lot of them seem to be extremely high, but even if you take the questionable figures, a lot of it dosen't even come close to the definition of genocide, especially what happened in Yugoslavia.

come on most latin american dictators aren't actually genocidal, maybe guatamala in the 60s and 70 and maybe 80, and by neglect brazil. most however brutal and oppressive really aren't trying to exterminate any ethnic groups.

Genocide does not only apply to ethinicity. It also applies to national and political groups.

Amazing how quickly threads, no matter their original puprose, can turn in anti-American ones.

*Begs the mods to close*

if you can't stand the heat, stop walking into the kitchen and annoying the cooks lol

Rios Montt Killed thousands of indians just because they were indians . . . How the hell is that not genocide? Dude, those mental gymnastics of yours must be exhausting. . .
I addressed the specific Rios Montt in another post.

Ok, I asked for an example and you provided it. This, as I said, dosen't equal the US engaging in acts of genocide, and even if you count it as such, it dosen't mean that the US has been the biggest perpetrator of genocide in recent history. At the end of the civil war in 1996, some 200,000 people were dead, which is a sad thing. It pales in comparison to say the artificial famines or the mass deportations that happened in the USSR.

Oh come of it!

The US has been responsible for state terrorism in Cambodia, Vietnam, Nicaragua, Afghanistan and Iraq. Its driven and led down the genocidal route by a fundamentalist Christian leader, in a country were a large proportion of the populace in certain areas of the South are so fiercely Christian - They would shoot somebody if they looked the faintest bit black. America bears all the hallmarks of the Worlds leading terrorist nation - it enforces propoganda and indoctrination through obedience from Schooling (Pledge allegiance to your Government) right up until the children are ready to watch the news - then the corporations with right wing interests can do it for them.

Why do you think America has remained staunchly far right across the whole of the political spectrum? Because of the facts mentioned about Society as a whole in America - And why Society is kept in this 'must consume' attitude for most of thier adult lives - Indoctrination, one key word. Bush's 'War on Terror' is comparable to Reagan's 'War on Terror' as they are both following the same Terrorism fuelled route - America is determined to enforce Imperialism through Hegemony on Arabic Nations, and use Israel as a partner in doing so. Whereas Reagan concentrated on Central America and decided to murder people there. Its all the same, its American Foreign Policy, and its here to stay.

Where's the basis for these claims? A lot of them seem to be extremely high, but even if you take the questionable figures, a lot of it dosen't even come close to the definition of genocide, especially what happened in Yugoslavia.

Nope, his figures are roughly accurate to what I am seeing on the some UNHCR hyperlink source.

Genocide does not only apply to ethinicity. It also applies to national and political groups.


are you sure political groups, i've never heard it applied to them before. man that broadens it right out. an awful lot of nations have wiped out small unpopular political sects, heck the war on al queada is genocidal then.

Amazing how quickly threads, no matter their original puprose, can turn in anti-American ones.


Hmm. . . "anti-americanism" coming from all kinds of people from all over the world. That should tell you something about, let's say, American foreign policy -- shouldn't it?

I addressed the specific Rios Montt in another post.


yes guatamala is the clearest case of genocidal action in the second half of the 20th century in the americas. it doesn't make every tin pot dictator of a banana republic genocidal though.

PAtriotism Is a disease frankly. If your Patriotic and uninformed your Ripe to be exploited.

There's nothing wrong with nationalism. It's ultra-nationalism that is more of a disease.

are you sure political groups, i've never heard it applied to them before. man that broadens it right out. an awful lot of nations have wiped out small unpopular political sects, heck the war on al queada is genocidal then.

I'm almost certain. That's at least the definiton when it pertains International Law.

Well, the UN Security Council, in Resolution 242, acknowledged that Israel was entitled to claim at least part of these lands for new defensible borders.

And Israel withdrew from 91% of the territories when it gave up the Sinai. So they appear to have just the "part" that the Resolution authorized.
Thats one Security Council Resolution - Remember that. Resolutions forcing Israel to abide by International Law, Force them to make a progressive plan for withdrawal and Condemnation of thier actions in certain events have always been met with the most isolationist of views. Israel is in breach of International Law, simply because it *can* and the US needs it to. But as soon as its importance diminishes, probably around 2020 when Countries start looking for other sources of Energy, America will abandon its special relationship with Israel and no amount of pressure from the Lobby Groups can stop this.

if you can't stand the heat, stop walking into the kitchen and annoying the cooks lol

lol, I guess you're right.

yes guatamala is the clearest case of genocidal action in the second half of the 20th century in the americas. it doesn't make every tin pot dictator of a banana republic genocidal though.

Most Latin American dictators shot leftists and Communists just for being so. That makes them genocidal.

Then, concerning the persecution theme and host-alien relationship, Roth wrote: "Have not Jews been admitted from time immemorial, freely, kindly, almost happily by every nation at whose gate they have knocked for admittance...Have the Jews ever had to petition a country for admission - the first time? Read for yourself the story of the progress of Jewry through Europe and America. Wherever they come they are welcomed, permitted to settle down, and join in the general business of the community. But one by one the industries of the country close to them because of unfair practices (by the Jews towards Christians) until it no longer being possible to hold in check the wrath of a betrayed people, there is violence and, inevitably, an ignominious ejection of the whole race from the land. There is not a single instance when the Jews have not fully deserved the bitter fruit of the fury of their persecutors...Jewish history has been tragic to the Jews and no less tragic to the neighboring nations who have suffered them. Our major vice of old, as of today, is parasitism. We are a people of vultures living on the labor (of the host nation) and the good nature of the rest of the world...We come to the nations pretending to escape persecution, we the most deadly persecutors in all the wretched annals of man."

(Jews Must Live, Samuel Roth)



Wars are the Jews harvest, for with them we wipe out the Christians and get control of their gold. We have already killed 100-million of them, and the end is not yet." (Chief Rabbi in France, in 1859, Rabbi Reichorn).


"Israel won the war [WW I]; we made it; we thrived on it; we profited from it. It was our supreme revenge on Christianity." (The Jewish Ambassador from Austria to London, Count Mensdorf, 1918).


(Note I know there was no Israel in WW1, but as a result of the promise by jewish power in USA to push America into the war, the British issued the Balfour Declaration and promised to favor a Jewish state in Palestine)


"We shall drive the Christians into war by exploiting their national vanity and stupidity. They will then massacre each other, thus giving room for our own people." (Rabbi Reichorn, in Le Contemporain, July 1st, 1880)


Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels said Blacks: "...were people who ought to be eradicated and swept from the earth." (Karl Marx, by Nathaniel Weyl).

(So much for Socialism being for racial equality!)


In an article by the Jew Victor Berger, one of the national leaders of the Socialist Party, wrote, in the Social Democratic Herald: "There can be no doubt that the Negroes and Mulattos constitute a lower race."

(So much for Socialism being for racial equality!)


"Jews may adopt the customs and language of the countries where they live; but they will never become part of the native population." (The Jewish Courier, January 17, 1924).


The Jewish owned Social Democratic Herald, on September 14, 1901, characterized Negroes as "inferior...depraved elements' who went around 'raping women and children.'"

(So much for Socialism being for racial equality!)


The New York Journal American of February 3, 1949: "Today it is estimated by Jacob's grandson, John Schiff, that the old man sank about $20-million for the final triumph of Bolshevism in Russia."


"We are neither German, English or French. We are Jews and your Christian mentality is not ours." (Max Nordrow, a German Zionist Leader, in The Jewish World)

uzbek.


kanaka san? :)

Oh come of it!

The US has been responsible for state terrorism in Cambodia, Vietnam, Nicaragua, Afghanistan and Iraq. Its driven and led down the genocidal route by a fundamentalist Christian leader, in a country were a large proportion of the populace in certain areas of the South are so fiercely Christian - They woudl shoot somebody if they looked the faintest bit black. America bears all the hallmarks of the Worlds leading terrorist nation - it enforces propoganda and indoctrination through obedience from Schooling (Pledge allegiance to your Government) right up until the children are ready to watch the news - then the corporations with right wing interests can do it for them.

Why do you think America has remained staunchly far right across the whole of the political spectrum? Because of the facts mentioned about Society as a whole in America - And why Society is kept in this 'must consume' attitude for most of thier adult lives - Indoctrination, one key word. Bush's 'War on Terror' is comparable to Reagan's 'War on Terror' as they are both following the same Terrorism fuelled route - America is determined to enforce Imperialism through Hegemony on Arabic Nations, and use Israel as a partner in doing so. Whereas Reagan concentrated on Central America and decided to murder people there. Its all the same, its American Foreign Policy, and its here to stay.
Its funny how your own bigotry shows through. The Southern States have some of the highest percentages of black people in the country. Yes, Jim Crow laws were there - 40 years ago - and prejudice still does exist. Trying to equate how the South is a bastion of Conservative Christianity with racism, though, is wrong. Schools are more segregated across the USA now than they were sixty years ago. Children are NOT forced to say the Pledge of Allegiance and I doubt many of them watch the news, which you make the disputable claim that its right wing. But that has been debated to death in other threads, so I'm not even going to start with it here. America is nothing close to Far-Right, no suprise you have nothing to back it up. The only reason America is as conservative as it is today is because of the failures it experienced from the Johnson to Carter, when it was its most liberal. If America bringing democracy and getting rid of dictators or stopping Communism is enforcing imperialism on places like Iraq and Afghanistan, so be it, I'll be the first one to wear a big shirt that says "IMPERIALIST" on it.

ah yess Decisive Action, you people (the whole world) say that israel is the new nazi germany,

thats what we are going to be then, meet me, the jewzi :),

Nope, his figures are roughly accurate to what I am seeing on the some UNHCR hyperlink source.
Well they're not.

Take, for example, the Afghanistan claim. Marc Herold's biased figures were brought into question early on in the conflict, as can be seen here, as well as what he was and is doing to inflate figures :

http://www.techcentralstation.com/030402A.html

Wow . . . the fact that Israel got no applause made you sick . . . Aren't you sensitive? It is strange though that the Israeli army, blowing up Palestinian women and children, doesn't make you "sick."

You know what makes ME barf? Frivolous, self-righteous and pompous people who won't hesitate to chastise others efferously, while their own opinions are nothing but empty rhetoric.


Gee, you mean the Israeli Army, hitting scum terrorists hidding behind the women and children hummm?

And those Palestians blowing themselves up (Laugh on the "gaining heaven"...idiots are seeing Hell) killing innocent Israeli, and even own palestians in doing so, are nothing but Terrorists, not in anyway the sick idea of them being "freedom fighters"

I dont like Christians or Israelis.
Booo.

I'm almost certain. That's at least the definiton when it pertains International Law.
I already posted the ICC's (International Criminal Court) definition of genocide. From my earlier post :

"Statute 6 of the ICC defines Genocide as "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group", the following acts being :



(a) Killing members of the group;

(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
"

Its funny how your own bigotry shows through. The Southern States have some of the highest percentages of black people in the country. Yes, Jim Crow laws were there - 40 years ago - and prejudice still does exist. Trying to equate how the South is a bastion of Conservative Christianity with racism, though, is wrong. Schools are more segregated across the USA now than they were sixty years ago. Children are NOT forced to say the Pledge of Allegiance and I doubt many of them watch the news, which you make the disputable claim that its right wing. But that has been debated to death in other threads, so I'm not even going to start with it here. America is nothing close to Far-Right, no suprise you have nothing to back it up. The only reason America is as conservative as it is today is because of the failures it experienced from the Johnson to Carter, when it was its most liberal. If America bringing democracy and getting rid of dictators or stopping Communism is enforcing imperialism on places like Iraq and Afghanistan, so be it, I'll be the first one to wear a big shirt that says "IMPERIALIST" on it.

The old 'stopping communism' addage appears again I see?

As for evidence backing my claims that the US Political Spectrum is far right, I didn't know, that you didn't know it was common knowledge, but take a look at the Political Compass of American Politics on www.politicalcompass.org and I think you will be pleasently surprised by what you see.

True Children do not have the recite the pledge of allegiance but most still do, because they feel they need to, through indoctrination by thier parents at an early age. This is because most Americans are nationalistic by nature.

And no, The South is still an incredibly racist place - It is still a haven of the KKK and areas such as Texas have a white population, that, by majority, is Christian Fundamentalist.

I already posted the ICC's (International Criminal Court) definition of genocide. From my earlier post :

"Statute 6 of the ICC defines Genocide as "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group", the following acts being :



"


actually what america did and still does across the world is much worse then what the icc defines as genocide.

ok, im an ultra-nationalist jew. :)

well the real ernst rohm was a gay nazi, and when i remember i play this puppet as one, so i'm definitely the pot calling the kettle black but...

It made me sick, watching the Olympic opening ceremony, seeing the Israeli Olympic team marching in, it was so beautiful, but for a moment, I was so angry that those men and women were so hated. It is so awful. They got absolutely no applause. They came after Spain, who got a huge round of applause, and when Spain had marched by, and the noise died down, it did not get any louder when Israel came in. No one cheered. It was sickening. The fu***n United Arab Emirates team got more damn applause. The UAE had 3 frickin athletes. It made me sick. Anti-semitism has got to be one of the worst things ever. As a Christian and an American, I am appalled, and I hope to god those athletes are safe through this Olympic games and beyond. God protect them, becuase no one knows what crazy Islamic fundementalist or neo-nazi is going to try to kill them.

Doesn't really seem different from when the United States didn't show up to the Olympics in protest of it being held in Moscow during the Cold War

Gee, you mean the Israeli Army, hitting scum terrorists hidding behind the women and children hummm?

And those Palestians blowing themselves up (Laugh on the "gaining heaven"...idiots are seeing Hell) killing innocent Israeli, and even own palestians in doing so, are nothing but Terrorists, not in anyway the sick idea of them being "freedom fighters"

We're way pass that, I've elaborated over that through the pages . . . If you want to debate, be serious about it and catch on with the rest of us.

Otherwise, thanks for throwing in more evidence for my conclusion.

You are an ignorant, self-righteous ass-clown piece of trash. :)

Well they're not.

Take, for example, the Afghanistan claim. Marc Herold's biased figures were brought into question early on in the conflict, as can be seen here, as well as what he was and is doing to inflate figures :

http://www.techcentralstation.com/030402A.html

Source:

James K. Glassman

Ring any 'bias bells'?

And no, most of his casualty counts were accurate. I tend to believe the UNHCR rather than a Jewish bloke's Website with a vendetta against Arabs.

Source:

James K. Glassman

Ring any 'bias bells'?

And no, most of his casualty counts were accurate. .


i am a jew :)

And no, The South is still an incredibly racist place - It is still a haven of the KKK and areas such as Texas have a white population, that, by majority, is Christian Fundamentalist.

Doesn't the love of Lord jesus give you the warm fuzzies? ;)

i am a jew :)

Let me guess, you think Noam Chomsky is,

a) a "self-hating" Jew, or
b) "Not a real Jew"

You are an ignorant, self-righteous ass-clown piece of trash.

Don't expect to be around here much longer.

Uh. . . Are you aware of the fact that Israel has been occupying territories belonging to the Arab states ever since its establishment?

Did you ever hear of the Six Day war? A pre-emptive strike in which Israel occupied the Sinai peninsula, the West Bank and Golan Heights, and Destroyed almost entire Egyptian Air Force on ground?

Did you know that Israel has been continuosly been violating international law and human rights for years?

And you're bitching because Palestinians are blowing themselves up? I would be throwing stones too in such conditions.

Get your facts straight sparky, then I won't mind addressing you.



Israel took Golan Heights, Sinai, West Bank due to ARAB NATIONS attacking Israel.

West Bank was Jordan controlled, all the time those areas were under arab control did the arabs hand it over and give palestians a state? Nope, the arabs don't care for palestians other then as a "poker chip"

Israel HAS NOT been occupying those areas SINCE its Inception!!

I shudder to think of what history you were taught, fact is Israel was attacked and fought off the Arab nations more then once, they were attacked soon after their formation, each time the Arab nations attacked Israel, Israel TOOK arab land over, it is the Arabs own fault they lost west bank, and other areas, THEY have ALWAYS been the Aggressors!

Do note that egypt had the sense to work with Israel and so the Sinai was returned, if anything, if any part of west Bank were to be returned it would be to JORDAN and tough crap for palestians, The Golan Heights i believe were returned to Syria, The Gaza is in process of being left to its own devices...

The Jewish people have a great claim to the area, more then the arabs or palestians do.

Let me guess, you think Noam Chomsky is,

a) a "self-hating" Jew, or
b) "Not a real Jew"

i agree with almost all of his points..

the United States government is the leading "terrorist" state in modern times.

Let me guess, you think Noam Chomsky is,

a) a "self-hating" Jew, or
b) "Not a real Jew"

Hehe, I've heard it all - They even go so far as to put him on a 'jew haters' list on some Zionist Protection site.

The old 'stopping communism' addage appears again I see?

As for evidence backing my claims that the US Political Spectrum is far right, I didn't know, that you didn't know it was common knowledge, but take a look at the Political Compass of American Politics on www.politicalcompass.org and I think you will be pleasently surprised by what you see.
Sorry, the political compass is not good enough. I've taken the test, I've seen where they rank people on their scale, its all great. It isn't an authority on anything. The statements in the questionaire often have little to do with politics or make assumptions that might not be true. For example, "Astrology can accurately explain many things" has no bearing on either part of their political spectrum directly, obviously, but an assumption is made about a person depending on their answer.

True Children do not have the recite the pledge of allegiance but most still do, because they feel they need to, through indoctrination by thier parents at an early age. This is because most Americans are nationalistic by nature.
Who were their parents indoctrinated by? The circle dosen't run forever. As recently as the 60's and 70's, the "endless indoctrination circle" theory would hit a wall.

And no, The South is still an incredibly racist place - It is still a haven of the KKK and areas such as Texas have a white population, that, by majority, is Christian Fundamentalist.
Texas is a state with one of the thinnest White majorities! It boasts a sizeable African American minority and an ever-increasing Mexican/Hispanic minority group, which is, I think, 2nd in the country only to California. The KKK exists all over. If I'm not mistaken, Pennsylvania - a Northern state - leads the country in KKK membership. Things such as racism are, as I said, by no means limited to the South.

Hehe, I've heard it all - They even go so far as to put him on a 'jew haters' list on some Zionist Protection site.

you see, im different :)

Source:

James K. Glassman

Ring any 'bias bells'?

And no, most of his casualty counts were accurate. I tend to believe the UNHCR rather than a Jewish bloke's Website with a vendetta against Arabs.
I think you'd believe the Devil himself if he supported your point, NWV.

Thanks for the warning, but if that Ignorant self-righteous ass-clown piece of trash can get away with calling Palestinians "Scum" . . . or the idiot who started this thread can get away with her ignorant slandering, I must assume that the moderation here is rather selctive. That, or you should start handing more warnings out. ;)

you see, im different :)

Different in what way?

Oh right!

Well seeing as I never tarnished all Jews with the same brush - You shouldn't need to point that out - but its good to see Jews with a Liberal stance standing against the Conservative crackheads.

http://www.geocities.com/firebird24455/flash_behind_the_scenes_of_world_war_iii.html


Funny video about Iraq war and why it is being fought.

i agree with almost all of his points..

the United States government is the leading "terrorist" state in modern times.

What about Israel?

Whats the definition of being a terrorist state?

What about Israel?



well... ok i agree, we commit a genocide of arab people, since 2000 we have slaughtered 500 children and 222+ woman :),

Let's get back on the main topic.

Didn't you guys notice how the stadium was totally silent when Turkey marched by? Apparently, they're still angry about the Ottoman Empire. At least Israel got more applause than some.

You guys know what should have made everyone real sick?

The two Koreas coming as one, it was a total insult to everyone who was involved in the Korea War and the thousands of people being ravaged in Kim Jong Mentally Il's prison camps.

Taiwan being made to be represented as "Chinese Taipei" and carry the olympic flag even though it is literally fully autonomous now.

NBC running commercials during the ceremony and flying though a lot of countries just to fit them all in. All countries should get equal airtime at least during the parade.

That is what made me sick.

PS. Did you guys see the sweet garb Brazil and Kazakhstan were wearing? That RoXxOrS.

Whats the definition of being a terrorist state?

whoever you don't like. terrorist is such a fuzzy word we may just as well go with bush and just call our enemies "bad guys" or "evil men".

Israel took Golan Heights, Sinai, West Bank due to ARAB NATIONS attacking Israel.

It is common knowledge the Six-Day war was a pre-eptive strike. There was tension, obviously, but there was no military attack on Israel. You know what "pre-emptive" means, don't you?

West Bank was Jordan controlled, all the time those areas were under arab control did the arabs hand it over and give palestians a state? Nope, the arabs don't care for palestians other then as a "poker chip"
And that justifies Israel's abuses How?

Israel HAS NOT been occupying those areas SINCE its Inception!!

No. THOSE territories were occupied after the June war, but Israel has been taking over territory since its inception, starting in the Independence war.

I shudder to think of what history you were taught,
We are even. Your spelling makes me shudder too.

fact is Israel was attacked and fought off the Arab nations more then once, they were attacked soon after their formation, each time the Arab nations attacked Israel, Israel TOOK arab land over, it is the Arabs own fault they lost west bank, and other areas, THEY have ALWAYS been the Aggressors!

Really? Like in 1967? Or like Israel's bombing of Lebanon? Get your facts straight, please.

The Jewish people have a great claim to the area, more then the arabs or palestians do.

More?? Why?

well... ok i agree, we commit a genocide of arab people, since 2000 we have slaughtered 500 children and 222+ woman :),

Then what are you debating?

Alright I'm going to bed, hopefully if this turns into a trollfest again someone can contain it.

Hehe, I've heard it all - They even go so far as to put him on a 'jew haters' list on some Zionist Protection site.

I saw that site, it was one big joke!

cut and paste all the propaganda tracts you want, it won't change the fact that virtually everyone in the world outside the us knows you stole that land and someday you'll have to give it back.


Is what you are.

Israel stole no land, If Arabs had left 1947 Israel in peace Syria would have kept Golan, Egypt the Siunai, Jordan the West Bank and The palestians would be an issue on how the arabs were treating them... not a poker chip in hands of arabs vs Israel.

Israel expanded land through takeover of the AGGRESSOR nations waging war against Israel.

Is what you are.

Israel stole no land, If Arabs had left 1947 Israel in peace Syria would have kept Golan, Egypt the Siunai, Jordan the West Bank and The palestians would be an issue on how the arabs were treating them... not a poker chip in hands of arabs vs Israel.

Israel expanded land through takeover of the AGGRESSOR nations waging war against Israel.

i know your guys were the AGGRESSOR but what am i!!!!!!:D

Amazing mental gymnastics. . .
You are welcome to address my post especifically any time though. ;)

Is what you are.

Israel stole no land, If Arabs had left 1947 Israel in peace Syria would have kept Golan, Egypt the Siunai, Jordan the West Bank and The palestians would be an issue on how the arabs were treating them... not a poker chip in hands of arabs vs Israel.

Israel expanded land through takeover of the AGGRESSOR nations waging war against Israel.


We are ignoring the crucial fact that Israel came into existence in 1948 by ripping the land from the natives (arabs)


Why couldn't the jews just live in Palestine and be happy to share the land and enjoy the diversity that they preach in other nations to other races.

Israel exists to the detriment of all her neighbors.

Were the arab nations supposed to sit idly by while jewish invaders killed their racial and religious brethren in palestine?

We are ignoring the crucial fact that Israel came into existence in 1948 by ripping the land from the natives (arabs)





jews were there before, anyway they are inferior arabs and must be bulldozed to death.

i know your guys were the AGGRESSOR but what am i!!!!!!:D

I know, he/she is hilarious. . .

all across the world, nam, korea, Laos, Cambodia, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan i can go on and on..


Vietnam... USA took over from French the protection of S.Vietnam,

Korea... N.Korea attacked South Korea, the USA and the UN intervened to prevent the Communist North from taking over South, in fact that war ended in a ceasefire, Technically the UNITED NATIONS and USA are STILL at war with N.Korea, meaning all nations in UN are basically at war with N.Korea LOL!

Laos? Cambodia? Actions involving the communist viet Cong.

Yugoslavia? You mean Bosnia etc... get real...

Afghan? The taliban supported al-Quadia and refused to hand them over for the terrorist action on the towers in 9/11 Since they made their bed with al-quada the USa rightfully went to war for the ACT OF WAR on US SOIL!

jews were there before, anyway they are inferior arabs and must be bulldozed to death.


you're really growing on me you crazy fukker, ever se the movie "the believer" or hear of leo felton. you could have a place in the wp movement if you gave it half a chance ..lol

We are ignoring the crucial fact that Israel came into existence in 1948 by ripping the land from the natives (arabs)


Why couldn't the jews just live in Palestine and be happy to share the land and enjoy the diversity that they preach in other nations to other races.

Israel exists to the detriment of all her neighbors.

Were the arab nations supposed to sit idly by while jewish invaders killed their racial and religious brethren in palestine?

Exactly. After being oppressed for such a long time, Arabs were obviously not going to let go of Palestine that easily. It is not a matter of Jewish presence , but of jewish sovereignty. Jews could have lived there in perfect harmony.

you're really growing on me you crazy fukker, ever se the movie "the believer" or hear of leo felton. you could have a place in the wp movement if you gave it half a chance ..lol


more like JP :)

you're really growing on me you crazy fukker, ever se the movie "the believer" or hear of leo felton. you could have a place in the wp movement if you gave it half a chance ..lol

He's desperetaly trying to convince himself that he is the victim of racism. He hasn't been able to come up with facts, so therefore he plays the victim.

This guy doesn't get the fact that I'm all over his ass 'cause he's being an ignorant, zealous dumbass, not because he's a jew. But well, apparently he loves feeling persecuted . . . Maybe that makes him feel important, who knows?

he is the victim of racism.


fuck that, you are the victem here, enjoying yuor jew holiwood movies? coca cola? GOOGLE? your dumb ass life is controlled by jews, get over it slob.

I've just heard, btw, that some Iranian wrestler withdrew after he learned he needed to wrestle an Israeli. Sickening. This is against the Olympic spirit. We're supposed to put asside our differences for a few days, and just compete. We can't let grudges hold us from everything. Even the US said it'd try to make a ceasefire in Iraq during this.

Yeah..... try to make a ceasefire by storming Najaf? i can't see the logic in that.

Otherwise, thanks for throwing in more evidence for my conclusion.
You are an ignorant, self-righteous ass-clown piece of trash. :)


Tsk, Tsk, falling back on Swear words, the last refuge of the utter ignorant.

Thanks for the warning, but if that Ignorant self-righteous ass-clown piece of trash can get away with calling Palestinians "Scum" . . . or the idiot who started this thread can get away with her ignorant slandering, I must assume that the moderation here is rather selctive. That, or you should start handing more warnings out. ;)


It is one thing to call a generic people scum and I was calling in fact TERRORISTS "Scum" it is not equal to calling Me , personally, an Ass-Clown.

It is one thing to call a generic people scum and I was calling in fact TERRORISTS "Scum" it is not equal to calling Me , personally, an Ass-Clown.


i perfer ass monkey, cuz i think its funnier. it conjures up both the image of gay sex and those freaky monkeys with the giant flaming red butts.

We are ignoring the crucial fact that Israel came into existence in 1948 by ripping the land from the natives (arabs)


Why couldn't the jews just live in Palestine and be happy to share the land and enjoy the diversity that they preach in other nations to other races.

Israel exists to the detriment of all her neighbors.

Were the arab nations supposed to sit idly by while jewish invaders killed their racial and religious brethren in palestine?

The Mandate had a Jewish State intended.

Israel formed out of the fact that the arabs were refusing to allow a jewish State.

The arabs were not the Natives, history is that the land was JEWISH, there was the Kingdom of the Jews , the ROMANS around 70 AD broke up that Nation, there however have been jews living there from the Time then to now, the Arabs are recent invaders, they came in after the ottoman empire, the arabs are not nor ever have bee NATIVES of Israel while the Jews have a huge historical claim, Jerusalm was the Capital of the Jewish KINGDOM.

The palestians are people even the arabs have ignored, from 1947-on after
Israel was formed the palestians were there, in Jordans west bank etc, the arabs never gave palestians the land for their own, Jordan held it as Jordanian land the Palestians were pariahs in arab nations, their a poker chip used often by arabs in the old feud between arabic and Jewish going back to when both were ONE PEOPLE but one brother lost his birth right to another, sold it for food That was the ancestor of the arabic peoples, in abrahams time.

The Arabic and The jewish are locked in a blood Feud that will never end till
Christs coming.

The palestians had a very real chance for own state recently, but arafat and others controling palestians for their own ends, selfish ends, to keep power and all walked away from that generous settlement and the present infadia began!

I am sick of the palestians and getting sick of the arabs, both need to realize that they have to accept israel is here to stay, suck it up and deal with that fact.

LAA:
you missed a few points in your rant about the person who called Palestinians scum and the person who started this thread.
what about the person who has been insulting Israel and Jews since the start of this thread??? YOU
you're more racist than anyone here.

LAA:
you missed a few points in your rant about the person who called Palestinians scum and the person who started this thread.
what about the person who has been insulting Israel and Jews since the start of this thread??? YOU
you're more racist than anyone here.


hmmm i don't know, there's some pretty heavy competition for that honor on this thread.

You led me by the hand? LOL

Please, go ahead, address a particular point! I don't mind at all! ;)
not so bright hay. ok look up the population of the regon in 1900 and who made up what. follow that untill 1950. next find out about the holy sites in palistine and what kind of condition they where in and when they where restord and why. find out who attacked israel and how many times before the preamtive strike. find out what these so called inocent forces where doing up to the attack. find out what happend to the other 90% of palistine that does not belong to israel. and what countrys other than the allies in WWII ever gave back teritory that they concerd in war. only when you do the above will you even begin to understand why it is like it is there.

p.s i have been up 20 hours so forgive the spelling

I've just heard, btw, that some Iranian wrestler withdrew after he learned he needed to wrestle an Israeli. Sickening. This is against the Olympic spirit. We're supposed to put asside our differences for a few days, and just compete. We can't let grudges hold us from everything. Even the US said it'd try to make a ceasefire in Iraq during this.
Yes, I heard that story. I would of rather seen the Israeli kick that dudes ass. THat would have been good.

...They got absolutely no applause. .... The fu***n United Arab Emirates team got more damn applause. The UAE had 3 frickin athletes.Indeed...I saw it too...Iraq, Palestine and Afghanistan got huge Applauses...Israel was given the silent treatment...

You want to know why?

Simple because they(the rest of the World) Perceive Iraq,/Palestine/Afghanistan as the VICTIMS...and they perceive Israel as the Bloody Abusers....

I know...I know...Thas is no what Average Americans Perceive....Blame that difference-of-perception on the American Media....The Jewish-Controlled American Media.

I've just heard, btw, that some Iranian wrestler withdrew after he learned he needed to wrestle an Israeli. Sickening. This is against the Olympic spirit. We're supposed to put asside our differences for a few days, and just compete. We can't let grudges hold us from everything. Even the US said it'd try to make a ceasefire in Iraq during this.
The Athletes are also meant to not take drugs

racist overgeneralizing much?
Is he lying? If you live there and openly claim your religion is better than islam, someone will kill you. Other than oil, what can you point to that the UAE has contributed?

Yes, I heard that story. I would of rather seen the Israeli kick that dudes ass. THat would have been good.

Well, I heared a certain US and USSR also refused to compeed against each other in 1980 and 1984, I guess they deserved a good kick in the balls to then huh? :rolleyes: So, following the logic of Purely Euclid and you, this gives Iran a more sportive attitude then the US since all US athletes boycoted Moskau 80 and all USSR boycoted as a reaction LA '84 :p

Boycots are of anytime and if Nazi germany would still exist there would be a lot of booh too on the games just like it is for Israel and other countries with a democratic deficit.
The stupidiest thing would be to shut uop and don't manifestate your angryness before the eye of the world.

Well, I heared a certain US and USSR also refused to compeed against each other in 1980 and 1984, I guess they deserved a good kick in the balls to then huh? :rolleyes: So, following the logic of Purely Euclid and you, this gives Iran a more sportive attitude then the US since all US athletes boycoted Moskau 80 and all USSR boycoted as a reaction LA '84 :p

Boycots are of anytime and if Nazi germany would still exist there would be a lot of booh too on the games just like it is for Israel and other countries with a democratic deficit.
The stupidiest thing would be to shut uop and don't manifestate your angryness before the eye of the world.
The US and USSR did not boycott each others games for religious reasons. Those 2 countrys did not participate for safeties sake.

how wise. take out your anger towards violent, militiant factions against track runners and swimmers. what could be more logical.
And then call everyone who didn't applaud anti-semite. Cause thats sooo logical. :rolleyes:

Susa,
I completely agree. I'm also a christian and the simple answer to your question is this, Israel is hated because they turned their hearts from God. The bible speaks about it all through 2nd Kings. They turned on God, served other Gods and were punished for it. They never went back to him in full through christ. Thats the cause for their troubles.
You forget you should be helpung Isreal build a temple where the Arabs built a mosque or Jesus will never return for you. Its in the bible has to happen.
Also if you forgot you are supposed to be preaching to not killing jews. Also to the gentiles but the jews more.

When the US team marched in, there was tremendous applause. When some of the noise had died down, the announcers said something along the lines of "Greeks draw a clear line between US citizens and the US government, so that is why they are cheering". This is true. Most Greeks do not support the US government, just the same as most Greeks do not support the Israeli government. So why did they cheer the US team tremendously and not the Israeli team? Because they are anti-semites.

Those 2 countrys did not participate for safeties sake.Bullcrap

You forget you should be helpung Isreal build a temple where the Arabs built a mosque or Jesus will never return for you. Its in the bible has to happen.
Also if you forgot you are supposed to be preaching to not killing jews. Also to the gentiles but the jews more.You should stop beleiving everything you read....It makes you look like a ******

The US and USSR did not boycott each others games for religious reasons. Those 2 countrys did not participate for safeties sake.

Keep on dreaming :rolleyes: , never heared about political reasons?

You should stop beleiving everything you read....It makes you look like a ******
So you don't belive anything you ever read? YOU must be illiterate lol

So you don't belive anything you ever read? YOU must be illiterate lolDo you even know what Illiterate means?

Do you even know what Illiterate means?
It means he can't read, he'd have to believe something to be literate.
If you don't believe what you are told then you don't think A makes the "ah" sound and so you put a "Ga" sound or something instead making the word (and world) sound wierd and unusable.

It means he can't read, he'd have to believe something to be literate.
If you don't believe what you are told then you don't think A makes the "ah" sound and so you put a "Ga" sound or something instead making the word (and world) sound wierd and unusable.You have a point...I take it all back...

Wow . . . the fact that Israel got no applause made you sick . . . Aren't you sensitive? It is strange though that the Israeli army, blowing up Palestinian women and children, doesn't make you "sick."


Wow, how one sided.

Here I ought to remind you the Israeli army at least tries to kill terrorists, while the palestinians blow themselves in malls, bus stations and pretty much wherever they can to kill as much Israelis as possible.

get over it. So people hate Israel. So? People hate America too, people hate France just as well, people hate so many countries, and applauds in the olympics, well, that's the last thing we've got to worry about, trust me, we managed to get over it.

... People hate America too, people hate France just as well, people hate so many countries....I we could measure hate..my bet would be that Israel gets the Gold Wedal

I we could measure hate..my bet would be that Israel gets the Gold Wedal

I used to strongly agree, yet after sept. 11...
Hell, we still get the gold Medal.
We should make THAT an olympic sport!

You ignorant little piece of shit.

I started reading this thread and I figured that I could lend a hand to someone who was trying to defend their home country from a verbal assualt being launched at them by people who hated them.. Unfortunately for you I continued reading your thread, and your responses and quickly realized that you're an ignorant piece of shit who is unable to look at the facts clearly and objectively.


A couple points right quick. The US did not instigate genocide in Korea, Laos or Cambodia, the genocide came after US forces left the region and they fell to the communist forces in the area, these forces were funded by the USSR. Also, Yugoslavia, if I recall correctly never actually saw the presence of US troops in the region until that late 90's when we went in there to stop the killing that was being done by the former Soviet Satteliete Regimes.


You also stated that the US was under the control of the Jews. Thus, if America is responsible for the genocides in the aforementioned regions does this not make the Jews responsible for these genocides? I think since, according to you, the Jews control my country that yes, you people would be responsible for those attrocities.

However thats a null point as I have already shown you, as will historical record, that the regions you mentioned, and the geocides that occured there were the fault of the Soviet supported regimes that the US was trying to prevent from coming to power.

Now this is not to say that we didn't soil our hands in South and Central America. I'm not that stupid, we did, and it wasn't the best decision we could've made. But its in the past.

Now onto Israel.

I can sit here for hours and defend the nation as a haven for a historically persecuted and displaced people.

or I illustrate how the Jews were run out the region around and after the time of Christ for their persecution of anyone who was not of the Jewish faith. Or the fact that Jews were the world's first Terrorists, engaging in Assassination and chemical warfare(poisoning the water supply of the Roman Government buildings and barracks) before Christ was a sparkle in Mary's eye.

I could do that, or I could point out that the Israeli Government allowed a violent anti-arab group access to the Palestinian Refugee camps an action which resulted in the slaughter of thousands of Palestinian men women and children. I could also point out that the nation of Israel, in its crusade against Yasser Arafat during the 60's and 70' invaded the country Lebanon and for the most part brought the country to the ground. BTW hotshit, your illegal invasion of Lebanon makes the US invastion of Iraq look like a shining example of how to legally invade a nation.

Ariel Sharon, possibly the most hated politician in the world. Ariel Sharon was brought up on war charges in late 90's early 2000's by an officer of the Israeli Military. The charges were sufficently severe the Sharon was going to be brought before a tribunal on the Hague, in a manner very similiar to everyones's favorite dictator of late Slobadon Milosevic. Some how the officer bringing the charges died in a car bombing.. for some reason all the other witnesses vanished. I found that to be a rather interesting coincidence.

Baikal:
Your nation exists because the British thought it would be a good idea. Your nation is armed because the United States needs an ally in your region. Your ountry is more dependant on the US then Paris Hilton is on coke.

So if you're gonna take potshots at America.

Remeber this, you won the Six-Day War with American weapons. Our weapons are the reason you don't speak Arabic and have your hands chopped off for petty theft. And if we're a Terrorist Sponsoring Nation, then you my ignorant friend, are our Terrorist Group of choice.

You ignorant little piece of shit.

I started reading this thread and I figured that I could lend a hand to someone who was trying to defend their home country from a verbal assualt being launched at them by people who hated them.. Unfortunately for you I continued reading your thread, and your responses and quickly realized that you're an ignorant piece of shit who is unable to look at the facts clearly and objectively.


A couple points right quick. The US did not instigate genocide in Korea, Laos or Cambodia, the genocide came after US forces left the region and they fell to the communist forces in the area, these forces were funded by the USSR. Also, Yugoslavia, if I recall correctly never actually saw the presence of US troops in the region until that late 90's when we went in there to stop the killing that was being done by the former Soviet Satteliete Regimes.


You also stated that the US was under the control of the Jews. Thus, if America is responsible for the genocides in the aforementioned regions does this not make the Jews responsible for these genocides? I think since, according to you, the Jews control my country that yes, you people would be responsible for those attrocities.

However thats a null point as I have already shown you, as will historical record, that the regions you mentioned, and the geocides that occured there were the fault of the Soviet supported regimes that the US was trying to prevent from coming to power.

Now this is not to say that we didn't soil our hands in South and Central America. I'm not that stupid, we did, and it wasn't the best decision we could've made. But its in the past.

Now onto Israel.

I can sit here for hours and defend the nation as a haven for a historically persecuted and displaced people.

or I illustrate how the Jews were run out the region around and after the time of Christ for their persecution of anyone who was not of the Jewish faith. Or the fact that Jews were the world's first Terrorists, engaging in Assassination and chemical warfare(poisoning the water supply of the Roman Government buildings and barracks) before Christ was a sparkle in Mary's eye.

I could do that, or I could point out that the Israeli Government allowed a violent anti-arab group access to the Palestinian Refugee camps an action which resulted in the slaughter of thousands of Palestinian men women and children. I could also point out that the nation of Israel, in its crusade against Yasser Arafat during the 60's and 70' invaded the country Lebanon and for the most part brought the country to the ground. BTW hotshit, your illegal invasion of Lebanon makes the US invastion of Iraq look like a shining example of how to legally invade a nation.

Ariel Sharon, possibly the most hated politician in the world. Ariel Sharon was brought up on war charges in late 90's early 2000's by an officer of the Israeli Military. The charges were sufficently severe the Sharon was going to be brought before a tribunal on the Hague, in a manner very similiar to everyones's favorite dictator of late Slobadon Milosevic. Some how the officer bringing the charges died in a car bombing.. for some reason all the other witnesses vanished. I found that to be a rather interesting coincidence.

Baikal:
Your nation exists because the British thought it would be a good idea. Your nation is armed because the United States needs an ally in your region. Your ountry is more dependant on the US then Paris Hilton is on coke.

So if you're gonna take potshots at America.

Remeber this, you won the Six-Day War with American weapons. Our weapons are the reason you don't speak Arabic and have your hands chopped off for petty theft. And if we're a Terrorist Sponsoring Nation, then you my ignorant friend, are our Terrorist Group of choice.

'Korea, Laos or Cambodia, the genocide came after US forces left the region and they fell to the communist forces in the area, these forces were funded by the USSR.'

I find it ironic that the US went to vietnam to prevent the region from becomming communist and by it's action it destabilised the region allowing communists to take over.

nice post

People like Baikal, Mackistahn my friend, are one of many reasons Israel is hated.

I just hope people understand Baikal's not representive to all Israelis... in fact I hope that was a weird joke.

Vietnam was a bad idea. I think we can all agree on this.

I know he's not reprsentative of Israel. Just like other idiots aren't representative of America. He just kinda hit a spot with me and I felt the need to respond.

You ignorant little piece of shit.

I started reading this thread and I figured that I could lend a hand to someone who was trying to defend their home country from a verbal assualt being launched at them by people who hated them.. Unfortunately for you I continued reading your thread, and your responses and quickly realized that you're an ignorant piece of shit who is unable to look at the facts clearly and objectively.


A couple points right quick. The US did not instigate genocide in Korea, Laos or Cambodia, the genocide came after US forces left the region and they fell to the communist forces in the area, these forces were funded by the USSR. Also, Yugoslavia, if I recall correctly never actually saw the presence of US troops in the region until that late 90's when we went in there to stop the killing that was being done by the former Soviet Satteliete Regimes.


You also stated that the US was under the control of the Jews. Thus, if America is responsible for the genocides in the aforementioned regions does this not make the Jews responsible for these genocides? I think since, according to you, the Jews control my country that yes, you people would be responsible for those attrocities.

However thats a null point as I have already shown you, as will historical record, that the regions you mentioned, and the geocides that occured there were the fault of the Soviet supported regimes that the US was trying to prevent from coming to power.

Now this is not to say that we didn't soil our hands in South and Central America. I'm not that stupid, we did, and it wasn't the best decision we could've made. But its in the past.

Now onto Israel.

I can sit here for hours and defend the nation as a haven for a historically persecuted and displaced people.

or I illustrate how the Jews were run out the region around and after the time of Christ for their persecution of anyone who was not of the Jewish faith. Or the fact that Jews were the world's first Terrorists, engaging in Assassination and chemical warfare(poisoning the water supply of the Roman Government buildings and barracks) before Christ was a sparkle in Mary's eye.

I could do that, or I could point out that the Israeli Government allowed a violent anti-arab group access to the Palestinian Refugee camps an action which resulted in the slaughter of thousands of Palestinian men women and children. I could also point out that the nation of Israel, in its crusade against Yasser Arafat during the 60's and 70' invaded the country Lebanon and for the most part brought the country to the ground. BTW hotshit, your illegal invasion of Lebanon makes the US invastion of Iraq look like a shining example of how to legally invade a nation.

Ariel Sharon, possibly the most hated politician in the world. Ariel Sharon was brought up on war charges in late 90's early 2000's by an officer of the Israeli Military. The charges were sufficently severe the Sharon was going to be brought before a tribunal on the Hague, in a manner very similiar to everyones's favorite dictator of late Slobadon Milosevic. Some how the officer bringing the charges died in a car bombing.. for some reason all the other witnesses vanished. I found that to be a rather interesting coincidence.

Baikal:
Your nation exists because the British thought it would be a good idea. Your nation is armed because the United States needs an ally in your region. Your ountry is more dependant on the US then Paris Hilton is on coke.

So if you're gonna take potshots at America.

Remeber this, you won the Six-Day War with American weapons. Our weapons are the reason you don't speak Arabic and have your hands chopped off for petty theft. And if we're a Terrorist Sponsoring Nation, then you my ignorant friend, are our Terrorist Group of choice.

Wow I compltely agree! I hate Israel- the Palestinian sucide bombings, and intifadas are well documented by the press, yet they never report on the Israeli soldiers who get bored on their outposts, and who snipe through the windows of Palestinian schools (what better way to make the new generation of Palestinians love Israel, by shooting the shit out of their best friends whilst they try to learn!) What about the Israeli soldiers who shot a Channel 4 (in Britain) Journalist, who was making a documentary on them, even though him and his partners were waving a white flag, shouting "we are British journalists we mean no harm" in English and whatever they speak in Israel (I would say Yiddish, but I thought that that was a European Jewish language, I would say Hebrew, but I dont know if that is a mainstream langauge anymore,and I would say Arabic, but fear the response from the Zionists)

How can people justify a nation that locks someone away for 18 years for revealing the fact that that country is pursuing illegal weapons (Modechai Vanunu, still not allowed to leave Israel). Before the Ultra-Right responds by saying that anyone who does that is unpatriotic, can I suggest that he acted so as to warn his fellow Israeli's what maniacs they were governed by (we have a really unstable region, lets add nuclear weapons! That will make everyone feel safer).

Israel is full of people who were persecuted because they were different- now Palestinians are persecuted because they want their country back. If people then use the arguement that Jews were there first, being Israeli doesnt automatically make you a Jew, like being British doesnt make you white/Christian. Also, with that argument, then we must hand all lands over to the people of Ethiopia, because they are where it is believed that humankind started (if any christian dares to claim that God created man and they started in Eden, I will lose any respect I may have had for that person immediately! You cannot use religious, unproven dogma to justify something to people who do not share that belief)., and so the people of Ethipoia can claim to have "been here first".

'Korea, Laos or Cambodia, the genocide came after US forces left the region and they fell to the communist forces in the area, these forces were funded by the USSR.'

I find it ironic that the US went to vietnam to prevent the region from becomming communist and by it's action it destabilised the region allowing communists to take over.

nice post


The problem with vietnam is that unlike iraq, the USA did not fully wage war.

We did not invade N.Vietnam per se, we bombed it but we never invaded it to take the N.Vietnam govt out.

If USa had done that there would be one Vietnam and not a communist one.

The problem with vietnam is that unlike iraq, the USA did not fully wage war.

We did not invade N.Vietnam per se, we bombed it but we never invaded it to take the N.Vietnam govt out.

If USa had done that there would be one Vietnam and not a communist one.

Vietnam seems to be a lot harder to invade at first sight. The forrests are the perfect setting for large scale guerillia warfare. If you don't clear the forrests, your supplyroutes will be under constant attack. If you do clear the forrests you will lose an enormous amount of men. the first option will eventually force you to retreat, the second one makes sure the press will force you to retreat.

That's how i see it.

You ignorant little piece of shit.

I started reading this thread and I figured that I could lend a hand to someone who was trying to defend their home country from a verbal assualt being launched at them by people who hated them.. Unfortunately for you I continued reading your thread, and your responses and quickly realized that you're an ignorant piece of shit who is unable to look at the facts clearly and objectively.


A couple points right quick. The US did not instigate genocide in Korea, Laos or Cambodia, the genocide came after US forces left the region and they fell to the communist forces in the area, these forces were funded by the USSR. Also, Yugoslavia, if I recall correctly never actually saw the presence of US troops in the region until that late 90's when we went in there to stop the killing that was being done by the former Soviet Satteliete Regimes.


You also stated that the US was under the control of the Jews. Thus, if America is responsible for the genocides in the aforementioned regions does this not make the Jews responsible for these genocides? I think since, according to you, the Jews control my country that yes, you people would be responsible for those attrocities.

However thats a null point as I have already shown you, as will historical record, that the regions you mentioned, and the geocides that occured there were the fault of the Soviet supported regimes that the US was trying to prevent from coming to power.

Now this is not to say that we didn't soil our hands in South and Central America. I'm not that stupid, we did, and it wasn't the best decision we could've made. But its in the past.

Now onto Israel.

I can sit here for hours and defend the nation as a haven for a historically persecuted and displaced people.

or I illustrate how the Jews were run out the region around and after the time of Christ for their persecution of anyone who was not of the Jewish faith. Or the fact that Jews were the world's first Terrorists, engaging in Assassination and chemical warfare(poisoning the water supply of the Roman Government buildings and barracks) before Christ was a sparkle in Mary's eye.

I could do that, or I could point out that the Israeli Government allowed a violent anti-arab group access to the Palestinian Refugee camps an action which resulted in the slaughter of thousands of Palestinian men women and children. I could also point out that the nation of Israel, in its crusade against Yasser Arafat during the 60's and 70' invaded the country Lebanon and for the most part brought the country to the ground. BTW hotshit, your illegal invasion of Lebanon makes the US invastion of Iraq look like a shining example of how to legally invade a nation.

Ariel Sharon, possibly the most hated politician in the world. Ariel Sharon was brought up on war charges in late 90's early 2000's by an officer of the Israeli Military. The charges were sufficently severe the Sharon was going to be brought before a tribunal on the Hague, in a manner very similiar to everyones's favorite dictator of late Slobadon Milosevic. Some how the officer bringing the charges died in a car bombing.. for some reason all the other witnesses vanished. I found that to be a rather interesting coincidence.

Baikal:
Your nation exists because the British thought it would be a good idea. Your nation is armed because the United States needs an ally in your region. Your ountry is more dependant on the US then Paris Hilton is on coke.

So if you're gonna take potshots at America.

Remeber this, you won the Six-Day War with American weapons. Our weapons are the reason you don't speak Arabic and have your hands chopped off for petty theft. And if we're a Terrorist Sponsoring Nation, then you my ignorant friend, are our Terrorist Group of choice.


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Connersonia - I agree..

Nice post Mackistan :fluffle:
But I think that Baikall is in fact a anti semite who hides under the skin of a Zionist. in fact he succeed well in that. His only purpose seems to be to spead hate under Israels best allie, the US.

I have my thoughts on the US unconditional and blind support at towards the Israeli regime but I just think that Baikal is a antisemite/anti Israeli because he tries to make them even worse then they allready are, a real Zionist would never do that. My 2 Eurocents...

Mackistan, are you also or aware that the Chechzs sold them Messersmit Bf 109 fighter plains in 1948? (souvenirs of WWII) and they had some B-17 from the US in wich they started their first bombings on civilians (Jordan cities and Palestine quarters)? I've read a fine article about the Arrab- Isreali wars in wich this was explained, very interesting.

Wow, how one sided.

Here I ought to remind you the Israeli army at least tries to kill terrorists, while the palestinians blow themselves in malls, bus stations and pretty much wherever they can to kill as much Israelis as possible.

get over it. So people hate Israel. So? People hate America too, people hate France just as well, people hate so many countries, and applauds in the olympics, well, that's the last thing we've got to worry about, trust me, we managed to get over it.

Alright, this whole arguement there is starting to preturb me. How else do you expect the palestinians to fight? Use their american made apache helicopters to use their "smart bombs" (which by the way, have a habit of being dumb and smacking civilians instead of their targets) Oh thats right... we don't support the Arab "infidels." Ironic isn't it? that a country that basically just wants half the land to call for themselves, but is muslim, isn't supported. Sure, their terrorists there (still want to know a straight and non-biased definition of a "terrorist" saying a person who hold up a mall for no reason and kills 20 people is called a "murderer" but a person who does the same thing for some abstract reason, no matter how supported/unsupported it may be is called a "terrorist" and the latter is considered more evil...) but how the hell else do you think they should fight? My solution? Saying there both just as evil and have done just about as much "genocide" and "murdering" as any other nation in the world (see: French Revolution)(Britian in India/Egypt)(Germany in WW2)(Russia... just russia, no real time period in general)(China... ditto.)(United States... ditto) is to give them both the same amount of funding, and let them kill each other. It will stop the bitching, will safe USA citizens lives, stem the world population, and it will make us look like were doing something "for the better good" instead of "for the better israel" or for "the better Palestine." However, and this is the last thing I'll touch on, I also think its funny that the same people who knock on "terrorists" who use car bombs, turn around and support United States killing 3 times as many harmless civilians in Iraq to date then Osama Bin Laden did on Sept. 11. Ah the sweet aroma of irony.

primitive, try living there and you will get beheaded for being an "infidel", and nothing useful came out from them but oil.

Go back to school and stop with the stereotypes...I lived in Dubai (that's in the UAE by the way) for 2 years and it's about the most cosmopolitan country I've seen. Beheaded? Give me a break...they're so modern they'd make you look like a backwoods hick. I've got another shocker for you...are you aware that many Palestinians are Christians? Don't paint all people in the middle east with the same "howling savage islamic fanatic camel driver" brush.

I will give Israel this:

I think most Israeli's genuinely want peace. They want the fighting and violence to stop. I think the same is true of the Palestinians.

Unfortunately what these two countries want doesn't matter. It never has.

Counties like Iran, Syria and Lebanon do not even recognize Israel as a state. In fact they fund groups like Hamas, Hizbollah, Islamic Jihad and the al Ahksa Brigades. Those countries and the groups they fund want Israel dead and gone.

Notice everytime there has been any significant move towards peace there has been a bombing? And its always been either Hamas, Hizbollah or Islamic Jihads fault?

Funny how that works isn't it. When Isreal and Palestine get close to finally solving their issues, terrorists muck up the works and cause Israel to react. Unfortunately most of the four aforementioned terrorist groups are Palestinians.

If the Middle Eastern countries which claim to 'identify' with the Palestinians really wanted to help, I mean REALLY wanted to help. I'm sure that the three or four nations could easily provide the Palestinians with homes and jobs and better living coniditions then the Refugee Camps offer them. Hell if they just stopped funding the groups like Hamas, Hizbollah and Islamic Jihad the peace process would probably solve itself.

However, they can make money off the Palestinian problem. They have charities to help the Palestinians, but oddly enough no mooney makes it to them. Funny how that works.

Too put it simply, Palestine is a highly solvable problem. The countries that can really help solve it though, have no interest in seeing the situation end. Because if its ends peacefully the political ramifications for those nations would be incredible.

and if you're too stupid to understand what I mean. Tough shit. Long night at work.

It's easy for us Brits, Americans, Canadians etc etc to sit here and criticise the wrong-doings of Israel and Palestine. At the end of the day, the Israelis/Jews have taken land which does not belong to them. How would you feel if someone took your land? I am not condoning Israel's or the Palestinians behaviour, but, I'm sure if someone tried taking America's land for example, the Americans would fight for it. America say they want peace in the middle east...but how can peace be achieved when America is siding with Israel by funding it? As for the security wall...anyone who agrees that it is a good thing must be mentally insane. It is seperating Palestinian families. Whoever started this threat (I can't be bothered going back to the first post) blew everything out of proportion. If people didn't want to clap for the Israeli athletes, they didn't have to. It's democracy, a choice to do what you want (within reasonable boundaries). Personally, when it comes to sporting events such as the olympics, the only nations I will applaud are Great Britain and Ireland. Now please draw and end to this conversation, it could go on for days.

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.... At the end of the day, the Israelis/Jews have taken land which does not belong to them. How would you feel if someone took your land?....
Great Post
BTW...Why G.Britain and Ireland? just curious :)

Do you have any idea how powerful the Jewish Lobby is in New York?

Not to mention the power of Corporations.

Or over the media.

Or The Economy (Greenspan).

I'm sorry to say it, I'm not a racist - but they *do* dominate America, its simple fact, just look at the way the Media portrays Israel, as a young freedom loving nation who never do anything wrong, most Americans don't even know Israel is breaching International Law.

Aren't you a European? What makes you an expert on American media?

Look, I'm not a huge fan of Sharon OR his government, but why is that the issue? I think that it's petty to take the bad decisions of the government of some country out on the athletes themselves. It's not their fault that they represent Israel...they got to the games by being the best, and I think that's just unsportsmanlike. If Sharon comes on thefield, by all means, boo him. I'd probably join in, but I think the sentiment against the athletes caught in the middle is just petty. How would America like being booed and discriminated at the Olympics because Bush stuck up his middle finger at the UN by entering Iraq??

Let me guess, you think Noam Chomsky is,

a) a "self-hating" Jew, or
b) "Not a real Jew"

I think Noam Chomsky's a douchebag. The issue of his "Jewishness" is largely irrelevant.

Since you mentioned it, though:

As far as "not a real Jew"- that's basically a meaningless statement. Judging from what I know of him, I'd say Chomsky basically disasociates himself from his Jewish identity. That combined with his criticism of many Jewish cultural mores (support of Israel, traditional veneration and respect for the Holocaust) has led some people to use the "self-hatred" label. Is it accurate? Hard to say. Chomsky certainly sometimes seems hostile towards Jews he disagrees with- but is this specifically because they are Jews or because he disagrees with them?

Self-hating Jews certainly exist. Is Chomsky one? I'd say it probably doesn't really matter. What matters is if one accepts Chomsky's criticisms and actions as valid. Labels are really only secondary.

Different in what way?

Oh right!

Well seeing as I never tarnished all Jews with the same brush - You shouldn't need to point that out - but its good to see Jews with a Liberal stance standing against the Conservative crackheads.

You moron, he said he was an ultra-nationalist. That's about as far-right as you can get on the Israeli political spectrum.

(Although it seems to me that he's just trolling.)

We are ignoring the crucial fact that Israel came into existence in 1948 by ripping the land from the natives (arabs)

Actually, it was the UN that created it.

Why couldn't the jews just live in Palestine and be happy to share the land and enjoy the diversity that they preach in other nations to other races.

Check out the Arab massacres against Jewish immigrants in Palestine between 1900 and the early 1940s. It seems Palestinian Arab "diversity" only applied to Palestinian Jews, not European ones.

Israel exists to the detriment of all her neighbors.

That's a rather subjective statement. How much of that is solely due to Israel's actions, and how much is related to Israel's neighbors furthering this mutual relationship?

Were the arab nations supposed to sit idly by while jewish invaders killed their racial and religious brethren in palestine?

The Arab armies attacked Israel first, genius.

Revolutionsz:

G.Britain because I'm British, and Ireland because my grandfather was Irish.

At the end of the day, the Israelis/Jews have taken land which does not belong to them.

You are aware that Israel has given back around 90% of the land they took?

Oh, and taking that land (the "west bank") was LEGAL by the UN Security Council Resolution 242.

I've just heard, btw, that some Iranian wrestler withdrew after he learned he needed to wrestle an Israeli. Sickening. This is against the Olympic spirit. We're supposed to put asside our differences for a few days, and just compete. We can't let grudges hold us from everything. Even the US said it'd try to make a ceasefire in Iraq during this.

Some of you may be too young to recall, but the USA did boycott the Olympic Games when it was held in the then U.S.S.R., this type of behaviour is not really new.

Here is a link that will show you what I mean..

http://www.fhw.gr/olympics/modern/en/history/h104.html

Vietnam seems to be a lot harder to invade at first sight. The forrests are the perfect setting for large scale guerillia warfare. If you don't clear the forrests, your supplyroutes will be under constant attack. If you do clear the forrests you will lose an enormous amount of men. the first option will eventually force you to retreat, the second one makes sure the press will force you to retreat.

That's how i see it.


USA should have invaded and occupied all the citys and from there defolited the jungle leaving open the gurellias..

Point is that there was no invasion so the urban areas what few there were were capable of producing weapons etc and also for storing/distributing same.

Yes there would been Gurellia war but we were already fighting THAT in S.Vietnam, the holding back from fully invading N.Vietnam and taking control of its centers of population made a difference.

The whole point I'm making is USA did NOT wage TOTAL war in Vietnam, we did not Fully engage N.Vietnam, we only defended S.Vietnam and fought Viet Cong IN S.Vietnam.

A huge difference... we were doing Defense in Vietnam where Offense was what we should been doing.

USA should have invaded and occupied all the citys and from there defolited the jungle leaving open the gurellias..

Point is that there was no invasion so the urban areas what few there were were capable of producing weapons etc and also for storing/distributing same.

Yes there would been Gurellia war but we were already fighting THAT in S.Vietnam, the holding back from fully invading N.Vietnam and taking control of its centers of population made a difference.

The whole point I'm making is USA did NOT wage TOTAL war in Vietnam, we did not Fully engage N.Vietnam, we only defended S.Vietnam and fought Viet Cong IN S.Vietnam.

A huge difference... we were doing Defense in Vietnam where Offense was what we should been doing.

Hmmmm- so bombing raids in North Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos where all defensive manouevres where they? Basically, with Vietnam- the press showed what scumly ( i know its not a word lol) tactics that the Americans were willing to use- right now, the USA is shitting its pants (by this i mean pants, not trousers) trying to stop nations from developing nukes, chemical and biological weapons. You are the only nation that has ever used a nuclear weapon in offense. You also used Agent Orange, Napalm, and other chemical weapons in Vietnam (mostly in the south lol u retards), thus pissing off all of the South Vietnamese, making more of them join the Vietcong.

You say that there was no invasion- I dont know if you mean by the US into the North, or by the North into the South- if you mean the latter, then I will remind you of Tet. If you mean the former, then I remind you that drugs are bad for your health so you should stop taking them.

You think that America should have defoliated all of the Jungles of South Vietnam? I think that this speaks volumes about you, and so no reply is necesary.

Basically, lets look at the situation now. The Truman Doctrine didnt really work did it (ie containment) with all of Vietnam now Commie. Well done the USA, God Bless America (btw I am being sardonic)

Also, we are now off topic so please lets keep the discussion relavent (I say after making my retaliatory post lol).

Anyone want to know why Israel is hated? Go disguise yourself as a Palestinian, live there for a week, and you will sure as Hell know why

How can you hate a Nation that doesn't exist? The so called "Israel" is a Nation built on lies, deceit, and plagiarism.

It isn’t a Nation of YHWH under the Israelites, but a Nation built to spit on YHWH and the promised Messiah. I won’t ever accept the term “Israel” but call it by its new owners – it is named “Canaan”

Also why do you like this "Nation" when I have seen some of its people wish the death of every American Christian?

It made me sick, watching the Olympic opening ceremony, seeing the Israeli Olympic team marching in, it was so beautiful, but for a moment, I was so angry that those men and women were so hated. It is so awful. They got absolutely no applause. They came after Spain, who got a huge round of applause, and when Spain had marched by, and the noise died down, it did not get any louder when Israel came in. No one cheered. It was sickening. The fu***n United Arab Emirates team got more damn applause. The UAE had 3 frickin athletes. It made me sick. Anti-semitism has got to be one of the worst things ever. As a Christian and an American, I am appalled, and I hope to god those athletes are safe through this Olympic games and beyond. God protect them, becuase no one knows what crazy Islamic fundementalist or neo-nazi is going to try to kill them.


You call yourself "Christian"? Your words do not sum this up.

You call yourself "Christian"? Your words do not sum this up.
how so, people that swear cant call themselves christians now? is christianity only for the pure?if you think so then your no better than i am my friend. As for israel, why do you hate them so? Because there at constant conflict with the palastinians? WHO CARES, its there choice buddy, im rooting for israel just so you all know
Palastine :sniper:

Who cares about Zionist ISSreal?

ISrael :sniper: Ariel Sharon :sniper:

It's easy for us Brits, Americans, Canadians etc etc to sit here and criticise the wrong-doings of Israel and Palestine. At the end of the day, the Israelis/Jews have taken land which does not belong to them. How would you feel if someone took your land? I am not condoning Israel's or the Palestinians behaviour, but, I'm sure if someone tried taking America's land for example, the Americans would fight for it. America say they want peace in the middle east...but how can peace be achieved when America is siding with Israel by funding it? As for the security wall...anyone who agrees that it is a good thing must be mentally insane. It is seperating Palestinian families. Whoever started this threat (I can't be bothered going back to the first post) blew everything out of proportion. If people didn't want to clap for the Israeli athletes, they didn't have to. It's democracy, a choice to do what you want (within reasonable boundaries). Personally, when it comes to sporting events such as the olympics, the only nations I will applaud are Great Britain and Ireland. Now please draw and end to this conversation, it could go on for days.

wtf???? History my friend, history. If you have ever read the bible (doubt it) or read a history book(doubt it) that tells you the story of the jews, The land they are fighting for belonged to the jews long before the palistinians. It got divided between brothers i believe.

how so, people that swear cant call themselves christians now? is christianity only for the pure?if you think so then your no better than i am my friend. As for israel, why do you hate them so? Because there at constant conflict with the palastinians? WHO CARES, its there choice buddy, im rooting for israel just so you all know
Palastine :sniper:

I don't hate Israel - there is no Israel. There is Canaan. I will only ever notice the Nation of Israel when the true Israelites are in control. This isn't now, so no, I don't hate Israel. There is no nation by that name.

And a true Christian wouldn't notice the Nation who wishes death upon them. I have seen these so called "Israelies" aka Cannites) wish death upon all American Christians.

I don't hate Israel - there is no Israel. There is Canaan. I will only ever notice the Nation of Israel when the true Israelites are in control. This isn't now, so no, I don't hate Israel. There is no nation by that name.

And a true Christian wouldn't notice the Nation who wishes death upon them. I have seen these so called "Israelies" aka Cannites) wish death upon all American Christians.
im sorry but i dont believe you. I need you to prove that israelites wish death upon me.

The reason the Israelies didnt get much aplause was because their government continually ignores UN and international laws, i wouldnt call this anti Semitism. If you ever watch the news Israel keeps killing innocent palestians, even children, and you ask why they are hated.

wtf???? History my friend, history. If you have ever read the bible (doubt it) or read a history book(doubt it) that tells you the story of the jews, The land they are fighting for belonged to the jews long before the palistinians. It got divided between brothers i believe.
The bible is an accurate protrayal of history....hmmm, how about NOOO. Got one word for u boy, Dinosaur.
This thread just shows you how indoctrinated america has become by their zionist masters. And u call yourselves free.

how wise. take out your anger towards violent, militiant factions against track runners and swimmers. what could be more logical.

Indeed. In fact that is the most logical and wise: A completely non-violent way to show displeasure at a country's actions at the most important event this year, with billions of ppl from every part of the world watching. It may have helped hammer home to the Israeli govt. the point of exactly how displeased the majority of the world is towards Israel's palestinian policies. Remember this was a crowd made up of ppl from all around the world (sure the majority were European, but lots of others, including US and Israel were there), and it wasn't a pre-arranged action. No-one (as far as I'm aware) went around the crowd telling them not to clap when the Israeli team came in. It was spontaneous and across the whole crowd.
Remember, the Olympics are polictical, there's no getting away from that.
And who said it was anger? Not applauding is displeasure; booing or hurling abuse is anger. Please don't use emotive terms in an attempt to make the non-violent protest appear anti-semetic.

Notice everytime there has been any significant move towards peace there has been a bombing? And its always been either Hamas, Hizbollah or Islamic Jihads fault?
Every time? Which of those groups killed Yitzhak Rabin again?

As far as "not a real Jew"- that's basically a meaningless statement. Judging from what I know of him, I'd say Chomsky basically disasociates himself from his Jewish identity. That combined with his criticism of many Jewish cultural mores (support of Israel, traditional veneration and respect for the Holocaust) has led some people to use the "self-hatred" label. Is it accurate? Hard to say. Chomsky certainly sometimes seems hostile towards Jews he disagrees with- but is this specifically because they are Jews or because he disagrees with them?Firstly, Decisive Action is a neo-nazi, just so you know.

Can you back up your claim that Chomsky has no respect for the Holocaust? Onto the question of Jewish identity. The idea that support for Israel is some kind of 'litmus test' is frankly laughable- you do realise that precludes some of the ultra orthodox? My Jewish identity is based on the shared history and experiences of a people- more specifically I take my precedents from the Warsaw uprising and anti fascist groups like the '43 group. The Jewish people have always contained the atheist and the radical, alongside the religious and the conservative. I fail to understand your insistence on narrowing the parameters of the Jewish experience.

I think part of the problem is the hijacking of the term 'Zionist' by the right-Zionist movement. Chomsky was originally considered a Zionist after all. I'd recommend reading anything by S.Dubnow (who believes that everyone should have the right to live wherever they want and Zionism is the Jewish particular of that right) and, if you get get hold of a copy; it's rather obscure, "Political entropy in the Jewish Diaspora" by Benjamin Franks.

Check out the Arab massacres against Jewish immigrants in Palestine between 1900 and the early 1940s. It seems Palestinian Arab "diversity" only applied to Palestinian Jews, not European ones.That's true. But in Israel the opposite is- look at the discrimination faced by Ethopian Jews there.

On a general point, I do think that the American right-zionists need to answer for their alliance with the Christian right- particuarly that section that believes that Israel must be supported so the Jews can be converted to pave the way for the return of Christ.

The fascists want me to 'go away'. The right-Zionists want me to 'come away'. As far as I'm concerned they can both go fuck themselves.

I don't hate Israel - there is no Israel. There is Canaan. I will only ever notice the Nation of Israel when the true Israelites are in control.

Who are these TRUE Israelites you refer to? Are they the ancestors of the people of Northern Europe as some have claimed? That is a theory I would like to believe in but there is no evidence to prove this. I have been through debate after debate on both sides of this and I can only conclude that any who are against Israel are only hiding their anti-semitism. I don't believe the Jews are really asking for much. One tiny strip of land in the whole world simply for their own protection. "DERR... DA HOLOKAST WAS DONE A MYTH" Fact is, if anyone besides Jews were doing the same thing to the Palestinians you would have no problem with it. Admit it. I know for a fact that the Palestinians only want to massacre the Jewish people. Israel is only seeking to protect its people from terrorism. Unlike many who participate in these (pointless) debates, I have actually been to Israel and witnessed the situation first-hand. I'll take the company of a Jew over a towelhead any day.

I think Israel and their fat president Ariel sharon should go to hell.

Israel :mp5:

Susa,
I completely agree. I'm also a christian and the simple answer to your question is this, Israel is hated because they turned their hearts from God. The bible speaks about it all through 2nd Kings. They turned on God, served other Gods and were punished for it. They never went back to him in full through christ. Thats the cause for their troubles.


and then why did the uae atheletes get aplause?

and even if you turn you heart from god that isnt an excuse for others to hate you. The god thing is btwn u and god. all the other little people should mind their own biz.

I've just heard, btw, that some Iranian wrestler withdrew after he learned he needed to wrestle an Israeli. Sickening. I find Israel's attempted ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians quite sickening.

Then again, most people think all Palestinians are terrorists.

o.k, for the time been i won't respond to much to this debate. ( my first post btw).
anyway, out of everyone who has been pro-isreal, how many of you are American?
for my European friends i'll explain this.
I've been to america before and the sheer amount of Isreali propaganda is unreal. even in disneyland, there is a show about world cultures. well, when we came to one about isreal, it was 10 mins. of "how Jews have been mistreated by arabs and just about everybody else" and " why America MUST support Isreal" the whole thing is just a show about palistinians blowing up isrealis.
now, many people seem to think of Isreal as this ancient nation. it isn't.
after world war two, America and England quite simply invaded palistein and parts of other counties and gave the land to refugees. the reason; a ally nation in arab teritories would be very useful in the years to come.
now for those of you who said " its just a small strib of land", do you have any idea just how big isreal is!
look at it differently. imagine every iraqi refugee decided to come over to America and draw a big circle over a map covering washinton, boston, manhatten, chicargo, tyhe entire state of massachuses (SP?), etc. and inside this circle they made their own country and everybody inside it had to abide by the new laws set up them. do you honestly think the American government or people would just say " sure, take it. we don't care".
they wouldn't.
as for the anti-semeticism, that is usally an excuse to turn the tables on any opposition to Isreal. i mean, even jewish people get called anti-semetic. ( Naom Chomsky for one).
also, within this "circle on the map" imagine they said made every non muslim a second class citizen. that is exactly what the Isrealis are doing to the palistinians.
now, these Iraqis don't much like you Americans so what do they do? they take a leaf out of Isreals book. they shut of all water and electricity supplies. How nice.
so, everytime sombody claims its" only a small bit of land" just think. you wouldn't abide by it. why should anyone else?

fu***n United Arab Emirates team got more damn applause. The UAE had 3 frickin athletes. It made me sick. Anti-semitism has got to be one of the worst things ever. Arabs are semitic people too.

I don't see you complaining about Palestinians being forced to live in vile refugee camps because rich Israeli settlers wanted more farm land.

The god thing is btwn u and god.

Not entirely.. That's how the church contolled the West in the Middle Ages.. They forced the idea down Christians' throats that the relationship between god and human beings is their business..

Hence the.. hmm.. forgot the term.. they used to sell pieces of paper guaranteeing you a place in heaven.. now what was that called?.. Damn.. slipped my mind..

Demented Hamsters, The Holy Word, Drabikstan, Naszinia; I salute you..

(Wait for them to call us anti-semites now.)

Israel never intentionally targets civilians. Maybe you should read about how Israel was created.

Arabs are semitic people too.
Not in terms of the popular usage.

Fact is, if anyone besides Jews were doing the same thing to the Palestinians you would have no problem with it.

I'll take the company of a Jew over a towelhead any day.
This guy sure knows how to add credibility to an argument.

It is true that other people besides Palestinians are getting denied basic rights or getting driven of the land they live in all over the world. It still doesn't make Israel's actions against the Palestinians any more acceptable and it certainly is no reason to look the other way. It's only natural that first-world countries are interested in things happening in Israel and the Middle-East.

Hence the.. hmm.. forgot the term.. they used to sell pieces of paper guaranteeing you a place in heaven.. now what was that called?.. Damn.. slipped my mind..

Indulgences. The Idea was that instead of making a pilgrimage you would pay the amount of money needed to go on that pilgrimage. But eventually it became "rich people can go to heaven no matter what they do, as long as they pay"

Let's get back on the main topic.

Didn't you guys notice how the stadium was totally silent when Turkey marched by? Apparently, they're still angry about the Ottoman Empire. No, people are still angry about the Turkish invasion of Cyprus. Or maybe over Turkey's refusal to accept guilt for the Armenian genocide.

That is why Turkey will never be part of Europe.

No, people are still angry about the Turkish invasion of Cyprus. Or maybe over Turkey's refusal to accept guilt for the Armenian genocide.

That is why Turkey will never be part of Europe.
The Turkish 'invasion' of Cyprus appears to have been distorted as time has passed. The original reason for the invasion was because some mad Greek was all for overthrowing the elected Gov and as he was doing this the Turkish invaded as they and the British and Greeks had agreed to do should something like this happen.
Once they were in and had taken slightly more of the island as a % as there was Turkish people they told the rest of us to B*gger off. Even when the mad Greek guy was no longer in the picture. Simly put I know but it was not as simple as the Turkish deciding to invade for the hell of it. there was fault on both sides and on the British (who as far as I can tell were being pressured by the US not to get involved in matters of Empire).

Vietnam... USA took over from French the protection of S.Vietnam, The US launched an undeclared war against North Vietnam while supporting a brutal military junta in the South. Millions of Vietnamese civilians died as a result.

Korea... N.Korea attacked South Korea, the USA and the UN intervened to prevent the Communist North from taking over South, in fact that war ended in a ceasefire, Technically the UNITED NATIONS and USA are STILL at war with N.Korea, meaning all nations in UN are basically at war with N.Korea LOL! The South was actually planning an invasion of the North also. However, the North attacked first. The crackpot dictator in South Korea was no better than Kim-il Sung.

The 'UN operation' was a joke. The USSR, China and the communist bloc boycotted the UN because of the its bias against North Korea.

Laos? Cambodia? Actions involving the communist viet Cong. The US illegally bombed Laos and Cambodia (resulting in the death of thousands of civilians)

Yugoslavia? You mean Bosnia etc... get real... I supported NATO intervention in Kosovo against Milosevic. However, the US fuelled the conflict by supporting radical factions (such as the KLA) against Serb civilians. It also supported radical factions against the Serbs during the previous wars (Bosnia, Croatia) which led to increased bloodshed.

Also, the use of DU during the bombing of Serbia-Montenegro has stained the country forever.

The US and USSR did not boycott each others games for religious reasons. Those 2 countrys did not participate for safeties sake. LMAO.....were the olympic teams comprised of KGB and CIA agents?

The US boycotted the 1980 Moscow games because of the Soviet intervention in Afghanistan. In return, the USSR boycotted the 84 games.

Uh. . . Are you aware of the fact that Israel has been occupying territories belonging to the Arab states ever since its establishment?

Since its establishment? So I suppose that you believe that Israel did not have a right to exist? Did you never hear of the League of Nations' partition plan, which the Israelis based the borders that they declared for themselves on 15 may 1948 upon? About how the Arabs who were continually attacking them rejected every plan and the very principle of sharing the land even with Jews whose families had lived there for centuries?

Did you ever hear of the Six Day war? A pre-emptive strike in which Israel occupied the Sinai peninsula, the West Bank and Golan Heights, and Destroyed almost entire Egyptian Air Force on ground?

Did you ever hear of the events leading up to that war? The shelling of Israeli towns in the Golan, the blockading of Israel's ports, the massing of troops on Israel's borders, and the meeting of arab leaders to rally under the old battle cry of "push them all into the sea"?

If a murderer who has vowed to kill you is gathered with his friends outside of your house, loading their weapons and boasting aloud about how you will die tonight, do you have to wait until they break down the door to start shooting?

Did you know that Israel has been continuosly been violating international law and human rights for years?

Are U.N. sanctions what you are calling international law? Is bulldozing the homes of terrorist murderers what you call violation of human rights?

And you're bitching because Palestinians are blowing themselves up? I would be throwing stones too in such conditions.

No... if my nation tried to destroy a neighbouring nation for purely racist/relgionist reasons, and lost, and the land I was living on was now occupied by that other nation's armies, I would neither be throwing stones nor teaching my children to die murdering their soldiers.

But I guess we know what you would do... glad I'm not one of your kids.

Get your facts straight sparky, then I won't mind addressing you.

Why? You don't like an even playing field? The other guy has to have his facts straight but that doesn't apply to you?

You know what Jordan did when faced with terrorists? They executed the surviving members of the terrorists' families. U.N. sanctions, anyone?

Are U.N. sanctions what you are calling international law? Is bulldozing the homes of terrorist murderers what you call violation of human rights?
What evidence do you have that all houses bulldozed were the homes of terrorists? Or do you believe in the concept of 'collective punishment'?

UN Resolutions Against Israel, 1955-1992:

Resolution 106: "...‘condemns’ Israel for Gaza raid"
Resolution 111: "...‘condemns’ Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people"
Resolution 127: "...‘recommends’ Israel suspend its ‘no-man’s zone’ in Jerusalem"
Resolution 162: "...‘urges’ Israel to comply with UN decisions"
Resolution 171: "...determines flagrant violations’ by Israel in its attack on Syria"
Resolution 228: "...‘censures’ Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control"
Resolution 237: "...‘urges’ Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees"
Resolution 248: "...‘condemns’ Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan"
Resolution 250: "...‘calls’ on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem"
Resolution 251: "...‘deeply deplores’ Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250"
Resolution 252: "...‘declares invalid’ Israel’s acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital"
Resolution 256: "...‘condemns’ Israeli raids on Jordan as ‘flagrant violation"
Resolution 259: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation"
Resolution 262: "...‘condemns’ Israel for attack on Beirut airport"
Resolution 265: "...‘condemns’ Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan"
Resolution 267: "...‘censures’ Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem"
Resolution 270: "...‘condemns’ Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon"
Resolution 271: "...‘condemns’ Israel’s failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem"
Resolution 279: "...‘demands’ withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon"
Resolution 280: "....‘condemns’ Israeli’s attacks against Lebanon"
Resolution 285: "...‘demands’ immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon"
Resolution 298: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s changing of the status of Jerusalem"
Resolution 313: "...‘demands’ that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon"
Resolution 316: "...‘condemns’ Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon"
Resolution 317: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon"
Resolution 332: "...‘condemns’ Israel’s repeated attacks against Lebanon"
Resolution 337: "...‘condemns’ Israel for violating Lebanon’s sovereignty"
Resolution 347: "...‘condemns’ Israeli attacks on Lebanon"
Resolution 425: "...‘calls’ on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon"
Resolution 427: "...‘calls’ on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon’
Resolution 444: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces"
Resolution 446: "...‘determines’ that Israeli settlements are a ‘serious obstruction’ to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention"
Resolution 450: "...‘calls’ on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon"
Resolution 452: "...‘calls’ on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories"
Resolution 465: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s settlements and asks all member states not to assist Israel’s settlements program"
Resolution 467: "...‘strongly deplores’ Israel’s military intervention in Lebanon"
Resolution 468: "...‘calls’ on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return"
Resolution 469: "...‘strongly deplores’ Israel’s failure to observe the council’s order not to deport Palestinians"
Resolution 471: "...‘expresses deep concern’ at Israel’s failure to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention"
Resolution 476: "...‘reiterates’ that Israel’s claims to Jerusalem are ‘null and void’
Resolution 478: "...‘censures (Israel) in the strongest terms’ for its claim to Jerusalem in its ‘Basic Law’
Resolution 484: "...‘declares it imperative’ that Israel re-admit two deported Palestinian mayors"
Resolution 487: "...‘strongly condemns’ Israel for its attack on Iraq’s nuclear facility"
Resolution 497: "...‘decides’ that Israel’s annexation of Syria’s Golan Heights is ‘null and void’ and demands that Israel rescind its decision forthwith"
Resolution 498: "...‘calls’ on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon"
Resolution 501: "...‘calls’ on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops"
Resolution 509: "...‘demands’ that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon"
Resolution 515: "...‘demands’ that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and allow food supplies to be brought in"
Resolution 517: "...‘censures’ Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon"
Resolution 518: "...‘demands’ that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon"
Resolution 520: "...‘condemns’ Israel’s attack into West Beirut"
Resolution 573: "...‘condemns’ Israel ‘vigorously’ for bombing Tunisia in attack on PLO headquarters
Resolution 587: "...‘takes note’ of previous calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw"
Resolution 592: "...‘strongly deplores’ the killing of Palestinian students at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops"
Resolution 605: "...‘strongly deplores’ Israel’s policies and practices denying the human rights of Palestinians
Resolution 607: "...‘calls’ on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention
Resolution 608: "...‘deeply regrets’ that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians"
Resolution 636: "...‘deeply regrets’ Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians
Resolution 641: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s continuing deportation of Palestinians
Resolution 672: "...‘condemns’ Israel for violence against Palestinians at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount
Resolution 673: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s refusal to cooperate with the United Nations
Resolution 681: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s resumption of the deportation of Palestinians
Resolution 694: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s deportation of Palestinians and calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return
Resolution 726: "...‘strongly condemns’ Israel’s deportation of Palestinians
Resolution 799: "...‘strongly condemns’ Israel’s deportation of 413 Palestinians and calls for their immediate return.

I've just heard, btw, that some Iranian wrestler withdrew after he learned he needed to wrestle an Israeli. Sickening. This is against the Olympic spirit. We're supposed to put asside our differences for a few days, and just compete. We can't let grudges hold us from everything. Even the US said it'd try to make a ceasefire in Iraq during this.

I may be incorrect, but I think this was actually in the Judo competition. The Iranian did withdraw when he learned he had to have a match against an Israeli.

Oh, and he was the one who carried the Iranian flag in the opening ceremonies, no less.

Israel is disliked because of its conduct in the occupied Palestinian territories. It has nothing to do with anti-semitism.

What evidence do you have that all houses bulldozed were the homes of terrorists? Or do you believe in the concept of 'collective punishment'?

As much evidence as for any conclusion reached by governmental process as to the guilt of a suspect... however, since the suspect left many many little bits of himself at the crime scene in many of these cases, I put a lot of extra stock in the forensic evidence.

I am sure there have been some bad judgements. You go look into a town where virtually everybody is weeping and cheering for the "martyrdom" of the local boy who just turned a couple dozen of your noncombatant countrymen into hamburger, looking for accomplices, and you're going to have some problems with overzealousness in your own processes.

Let's look at it this way:

A blows up B's children's schoolbus, killing a busload of kids and dying in the process.

B shows up at A's house, after A's next of kin have spent a few days partying because they believe that A is now in Heaven as a reward for having killed B's children. B brings a bulldozer and tells A's family that in one hour he is going to flatten A's house. In one hour he flattens A's house, and anyone who didn't believe him or for some other reason refused to leave it as well. Maybe sometimes B shows up and A's home town is having a block party, celebrating the deaths of B's children so B says fuck 'em, and tells them he is going to bulldoze A's house and every other house next to it. What a bastard!

A did what he did because his father's father's generation was not willing to live next door to B in peace, but lost every war they started, and because his family and friends and preachers, whose houses also got "collectively punished" told him that God wanted him to do it. B did what he did because the day before he had had to bury the mangled pieces of his children.



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Drabikstan -

Nice list. What have you got on U.N. resolutions against the Palestinian terrorists?

As much evidence as for any conclusion reached by governmental process as to the guilt of a suspect... however, since the suspect left many many little bits of himself at the crime scene in many of these cases, I put a lot of extra stock in the forensic evidence.

*Snip Snippety Snip*
I actually meant verifiable sources.

Bahaha.. the UN is running out of strong adjectives..

We need a linguist to invent some new synonyms for "deplore"

As a Christian and an American, I am appalled

I am appalled by how brainwashed and ignorant Americans are of Israel's foriegn policy.

Hating Israel has got nothing whatsoever to do with hating Jews (not all Jews are zionists thankfully).

Instead of keeping on asking why everyone hates Israel, why don't you just do some research of your own about the history of the Arab-Israeli conflict and figure it out yourself.

I'm suprised people aren't giving the same treatment to Americans. I guess the US just hasn't reached that level yet. Well give Bush 4 more years and perhaps we can.

I've just heard, btw, that some Iranian wrestler withdrew after he learned he needed to wrestle an Israeli. Sickening.

Once again the power of the internet: half-heard stories are sent round the world and picked up by others to 'prove' their point - in this case that everyone is anti-semetic.
A few minutes of googling uncovers the real story:
btw it was judo, not wrestling. The Iranian was Arash Miresmaeili, a two-time World Champion (2001 & 2003) in the 66kg class.
Iran, since the 1979 Islamic revolution, has never recognised Israel and no Iranian athlete has ever competed against an Israeli one. So first up, it was a political protest, not an anti-semetic one.
As to what the Israeli competitior had to say:
Ehud Vaks was crushed when he heard he would win his first match by forfeit. "I feel horrible for (Miresmaeili), and I'm sure if it was up to him, he would have fought," said Vaks, who lost in the second round. "I know what it feels like to lose, and this is worse. The politicians didn't let him fight. That is not the way I wanted to win. It is not fair to him. He was the favorite. It's a small world, the judo world, and I admire him as a fighter.

Hardly a comment from someone who has been insulted over his religious beliefs.
Now onto perhaps the real reason why he didn't compete:
Arash turned up for the weigh-in (hardly the conduct of someone refusing to fight) and was over the weight limit. He left immediately after the weigh-in and the Iranian camp issued the above reason why he wasn't competing.
"The IJF is surprised that such an elite player could not make his weight," said federation spokesman Michel Besson. "Everyone was so professional (Saturday). Today, we're surprised what happened. We need more information. Perhaps he is hiding something, but we don't know.
Iran obviously knew there was a chance he would face the Israeli, so why wait until the day of competition to announce the boycott? My guess is that he was out of shape and likely not to win (he was the heavy favourite). This was the one way he could avoid embarassment and allow the Irans a chance to use him fo a polictical message.

So you should feel sorry for him, not hate him. I'm sure if given the chance he'd have fought. No-one's going to train for 4 years, become World Champ and then pull out minutes before competing at the Olympics cause of a political ideal are they? He knew he might have to fight the Israeli. If he felt that strongly, he would've pulled out way before.
It's just sad that the Olympics are sometimes used as a political forum, but that's life I guess. Of course since we're competing as countries there's no real getting away from that is there?
And, as I said, regardless it was a protest against the Israel state, not against Semetism itself. There is a difference there.

I guess this why the US and Israel like each other so much: Cause whenever something happens in protest against them they immediately take it to mean it's anti-Amercian or anti-Semetic.

All the talks about occupying arab land are missleading lies since it is the Israelies who were born and raised on this land for decades before they were brutally thrown to exile.
This exile ended 130 years ago and will never return!

We will continue to live on our land and if the Arabs won't accept that -
they will continue to face the consequinces - we show no mercy for terror.
We have no desire to hurt innocent people but rather to react with full force against terrorists - and if the arabs want to change this reality - they should abandon terrorism and the so called the "Right Of Return" = the claim to flood Israeli Land with millions of Arab refugees , and sit with us for peace negotiations.

besides that - I don't think that the spirit of the Olympic games really says that nations should be punished for sending athleetes to compete in the games ,
The Russian army is occupying Chechnia - so does the crowd hate their athleetes ? - I think not - I know I don't , so neither should you.

I actually meant verifiable sources.

Uhm... did you read what I wrote, or just snip it?

I do NOT believe that ALL home demolished were the homes of terrorists. When a town shelters people who blow up schoolkids and old folks and commuters and anyone else who just happened to be nearby, shit can get out of hand.

Palestinian terrorists, who inheritted the war that their misguided and hatefully racist forfathers started and lost, teach their children to be bombs and shields and connon fodder for the glory of God. Where is the censure? Where is the outrage? Where is the righteous indignation from Europa, with its spotless record of military ethics? Where is the international outcry from the world's civil rights community?

It is directed at Israel, who took land in wars of the defense of their very existance. It is directed at the extremes that they go to when they see one another being indescriminantly murdered by the child-bombs of those who insist on being their enemies. It is directed at the excesses that occur when a people's destruction is sought by people who are willing to commit such atrocities.