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and why has everybody got something against Jesus...
why not say Muhammad is overrated?
Or that Moses is overrated?

What about buddha?
Or the dalai Llama?

THeyre all exclusive ppl who are praised for being the greatest by some religion or another...
but why does Jesus face the most rejection?

George Washington. He would've been caught and executed by the British if it hadn't been for the French navy getting involved!

The Queen of England! She never actually does anything in politics whatso ever

and why has everybody got something against Jesus...
why not say Muhammad is overrated?
Or that Moses is overrated?

What about buddha?
Or the dalai Llama?

THeyre all exclusive ppl who are praised for being the greatest by some religion or another...
but why does Jesus face the most rejection?

Because Jesus is the most famous and the most worshipped

Thats a lie....
Maybe in the modern world...
But in the 3rd world, the Eastern world, and pretty much any other place than America Jesus is little known. Muhammad is more widely known, but may not be more widely worshipped.

Sides...that's still not a good reason. That's not making a choice, thats just reacting to the majority (well, an American majority) and being contrary to feel special.

Maths: Florence Nightingale ..yay pie charts

Um... I thought she was in medicine.

Because Jesus is the most famous and the most worshipped

And all the Muslims blowing themselves up in the name of Allah are doing it for kicks?

Again, an explanation would be quite nice...I really don't know much more than E=mc(squared)

It's a common mistake, but E=mc^2 is not part of the Relativity Theory. It's another one that says that energy and matter are the same thing and that you can convert one into the other. It has been observed many times in particle accelerators and it seems to hold.

Bertrand Russell wrote a book explaning relativity, but it's still complicated. In short relativity says that the speed of light in a vacuum is constant, but everything else depends on the observer.

Imagine you are inside a train and there is a ray of light coming from a lamp on the ceiling, bounces on a mirror on the floor and back. Let's say that the speed of light is 10m/s and the height of the train is 5 m. So, you time the round trip for the light being 1 s.

An external observer, outside the train, also sees the same ray of light making the trip down and up. But since the train is moving for him, the ray follows a longer path, say 15 m. Because the speed of light is a constant, according to the theory, the observer will time the same trip at 1.5 s. How can it be if you just timed it at 1 s and it's the same ray of light?

Well, according to the theory, it's because time was slower for you inside the train. While for the people outside, who were still, 1.5 s went by, for you it was just 1 s.

And the closer you are to the speed of light, the slower time will get, until it stands still for you. You would also get more massive and distances would get shorter. Einstein used to explain this concepts with "thought experiments" and then work out the mathematical equations.

It's not until very recently that the technology has allowed experimentation on this theory, and it seems to hold. At least it has so far.

And all the Muslims blowing themselves up in the name of Allah are doing it for kicks?

I get what you're saying, but that's kind of biggoted. Some Muslims are doing that, not all.

But then again, the qoran does have the sword verse to tell them to do what they are doing.
Still though, not all Muslims are like that, not even the majority.

It's not like i can name them..i'm talking about different scrolls and journals written by his contemporaries...
stuff by pontius pilot...herod...the like.


That's the problem, there really isn't a mention of him in the roman records of the time. There is a mention of a zealot leader who was crucified (like a lot of people were in those days) that is often taken to be Jesus, but without certainty; and there is a bill extended to a brother of some Jesus of Galillee, but still is not definitive. Common names, you see.

Of course, it may be that the necessary evidence simply hasn't been found. Still, I don't think that Jesus, if he existed, was the Son of God and saviour of humanity. Just a regular Jew with some neat ideas (and not the most radical of them all, by the way).

I'll look for the book, though.

and why has everybody got something against Jesus...
why not say Muhammad is overrated?
Or that Moses is overrated?

What about buddha?
Or the dalai Llama?

THeyre all exclusive ppl who are praised for being the greatest by some religion or another...
but why does Jesus face the most rejection?

Because Jesus is the only one who is a "God", and the only one who performed "miracles"

and why has everybody got something against Jesus...
why not say Muhammad is overrated?
Or that Moses is overrated?

What about buddha?
Or the dalai Llama?


Neither Mohammed, Moses, Buddha or the Dalai Lama are worshipped or said to be Son of God, much less Gods themselves.

Maybe the King of Thailand. He's supposed to be a god.

Because Jesus is the only one who is a "God", and the only one who performed "miracles"
umm....
Do you kno anything about any of the other ppl i mentioned?
Muhammad performed miracles...
Buddha performed miracles...
The dalai llama is seen as a demi-god

Buddha is a god in zen buddhism and to certain extensive hindus, tho core buddhism denies gods...

Become educated before speaking.

Neither Mohammed, Moses, Buddha or the Dalai Lama are worshipped or said to be Son of God, much less Gods themselves.

Maybe the King of Thailand. He's supposed to be a god.

Moses is not worshipped...but the other 3 definately are.....

oh yeah moses performed miracles too.

Or that Moses is overrated?

ooh, good one. moses sure gets a lot of credit for a guy that probably didn't exist.

ooh, good one. moses sure gets a lot of credit for a guy that probably didn't exist.

yay someone catches on!

Whatever reasons u have to hate Jesus, they apply to the forementioned as well.

ok fine you got me there, so I'm changing my answer, beacuse the vast majority of us with computers and internet access who speak english live in areas where the catholic church is the most dominant organized religion, ya happy now skipper?

ok fine you got me there, so I'm changing my answer, beacuse the vast majority of us with computers and internet access who speak english live in areas where the catholic church is the most dominant organized religion, ya happy now skipper?

yes

Maybe in the modern world...
But in the 3rd world, the Eastern world, and pretty much any other place than America Jesus is little known. Muhammad is more widely known, but may not be more widely worshipped.


And I thought the entire world was modern... hm.

Anyway, a very big chunk of the workd is Christian. Something like a 1/3, 1/4, certainly more than Islamic. Almost all of America (the continent) is between 60 to 90% Christian, Catholicism being the most favored branch. Europe is still a Christian majority place, Catholics mostly in the south and west, Protestant in the north and Orthodox in the east.

Several branches of Christianity are well established in the Middle East. Islam has great respect for Jesus as one of the Prophets. The Coptic church of Ethiopia and Egypt is one of the oldest branches of Christianity.

Much of the rest of Africa has mostly been converted to Christianity, much of the time by force like in America. There is some Islam in the north and east coast, and some pockets of tribal religions.

Perhaps Asia is the least "christianized" of all continents but there is still a presence in almost every country, except those few with very strict religious laws.

So, it's not like just a handful of people are Christian or the States being the last reduct of Christianity. Jesus is doing very well, in fact.

umm....
Do you kno anything about any of the other ppl i mentioned?
Muhammad performed miracles...
Buddha performed miracles...
The dalai llama is seen as a demi-god

Buddha is a god in zen buddhism and to certain extensive hindus, tho core buddhism denies gods...

Become educated before speaking.

He did start a religion that numbers some 1 billion strong...I think that has to count for something.

He stole most of his ideas for his mythologies.

There's a list of a dozen or so previous people/deities who used the same virgin/ressurection/feed thousands of people/etc bit.
(One of them was Buddha)

Also, all the crap about "loving thy neighbor" isn't all that special and extraordinairy.

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I was right about Florence Nightengale, right? She wasn't remotely related to math, she was a nurse in the Crimean War who was involved in the entirely different field of medical science.
What on earth did she have to do with pie charts?

So, it's not like just a handful of people are Christian or the States being the last reduct of Christianity. Jesus is doing very well, in fact.

It's still only about 35% of the world and quickly decreasing.

Bring back Athena. >,<

Moses is not worshipped...but the other 3 definately are.....

oh yeah moses performed miracles too.

No. Buddha is regardes as the more compasionate man and the example to follow, but not worshipped. Buddhists believe that Buddha attained Nirvana, therefore escaped existance, so it's useless to worship him. Buddha also prevented against worshipping. Of course, some people may worship him, because people tend to corrupt their religions, but most of the time they follow buddhist practices (the Eight-Fold Noble Path, the Four Noble Truths) while worshipping their own ancient gods.

Mohammed has stood a lot better. He is not worshipped either, any Mulsim would consider the idea blasphemous, he is an example to follow and is thought to be incapable of doing wrong, but still he is not god or adored as such. Mohammed prohibited making images because they may become subjects of adoration.

The Dalai Lama is considered a reincarnation of the very first Dalai Lama, and as such the spiritual guide of that particular branch of buddhism. But, as you mentioned, buddhism doesn't concernt itself with gods. So, he is not worhipped either.

Jesus is the only one that not only is regarded as the Son of God (the only one) but as God himself, and the only way to reach God.

Sure, Mohammed is overrated, the King of Thailand is overrated, the Dalai Lama is overrated, Krshna is overrated, and Buddha is overrated too, but not as much as Jesus. He takes the cake.

Unless you are Arrianist.

yay someone catches on!

Whatever reasons u have to hate Jesus, they apply to the forementioned as well.

hey don't look at me, i'm still sticking to my answer of christopher columbus. grr, genocide committing idiot gets his own damn holiday...

Still more then muslims though.

It's not like i can name them..i'm talking about different scrolls and journals written by his contemporaries...
stuff by pontius pilot...herod...the like.

commenors who saw him...
soldiers who dealt with him....

the bible is the only record that is in mass production...the rest are artifacts that you cant find at your local library....

read the book "evidence demands a verdict"
i dont think there are very many really
nothing by herod or pilot
but i thought i read there was something by joseph of armathea. or was that just some fictional thing?

yes florence nightingale was in the crimean war and started modern professional nursing

He's not overrated per se, but Hitler. People credit him with things like genius, where in actuality he was a charismatic orater who was ther at the right time to divert German anger to his benefit. He wasn't also that good of a tactician either, but since he was a politician and not a general and also slightly unhinged, that's expected.

Also, like everyone else- Columbus. Not only what everyone else said, but too many people credit him with discovering the world is round. I'm quite sure that people had known the world was round for at least a thousand years ago. At least in Greece.

oh well done. mother theresa dedicates her whole life to caring for the sick, and the children who have been dumped in bins by the hospitals. and all anyone can say is that she was over rated because she was against condoms?
Give yourselves a pat on the back, you've just completely disregarded and overlooked a lifetime of work from a woman who was completly selfless. She had almost no possesions and spent all her time making sure other people felt loved. you should be ashamed.

even when she was given money she gave it ALL away to the homeless. before you insult a woman that we should all look up to, take a look at your own lives and see what good you've actually done in your lives.
If you managed to achieve a fraction of the good that she did then you might possibly be able to understand all the work that she did.

No. Buddha is regardes as the more compasionate man and the example to follow, but not worshipped. Buddhists believe that Buddha attained Nirvana, therefore escaped existance, so it's useless to worship him. Buddha also prevented against worshipping. Of course, some people may worship him, because people tend to corrupt their religions, but most of the time they follow buddhist practices (the Eight-Fold Noble Path, the Four Noble Truths) while worshipping their own ancient gods.

Mohammed has stood a lot better. He is not worshipped either, any Mulsim would consider the idea blasphemous, he is an example to follow and is thought to be incapable of doing wrong, but still he is not god or adored as such. Mohammed prohibited making images because they may become subjects of adoration.

The Dalai Lama is considered a reincarnation of the very first Dalai Lama, and as such the spiritual guide of that particular branch of buddhism. But, as you mentioned, buddhism doesn't concernt itself with gods. So, he is not worhipped either.

Jesus is the only one that not only is regarded as the Son of God (the only one) but as God himself, and the only way to reach God.

Sure, Mohammed is overrated, the King of Thailand is overrated, the Dalai Lama is overrated, Krshna is overrated, and Buddha is overrated too, but not as much as Jesus. He takes the cake.

Unless you are Arrianist.

Worship is not defined as revering as a god. Worship is revering and trusting and puting faith in of any kind. Muhammad's words are held as a supreme guide to Allah, therefore he is worshipped. Buddah is worshipped as a god by some, and again, his philosophies are taken as supreme, therefore he is worshiped. He is viewed to be the ultimate enlightened one. He also returned from enlightenment to guide others directly through miracles and shape the world around him.
The Dalai Lama is unquestionable and untaintable...and anyeone viewing him as such is worshipping him.
And Muhammad said the christian texts were corrupted and that what he believed was the true path to what was a nameless god but then called Allah...and that you are in sin and false if you are outside Islam...so its just as exclusive as christianity and its foundation is based upon attacking another religion...so....yeah.

oh well done. mother theresa dedicates her whole life to caring for the sick, and the children who have been dumped in bins by the hospitals. and all anyone can say is that she was over rated because she was against condoms?
Give yourselves a pat on the back, you've just completely disregarded and overlooked a lifetime of work from a woman who was completly selfless. She had almost no possesions and spent all her time making sure other people felt loved. you should be ashamed.

even when she was given money she gave it ALL away to the homeless. before you insult a woman that we should all look up to, take a look at your own lives and see what good you've actually done in your lives.
If you managed to achieve a fraction of the good that she did then you might possibly be able to understand all the work that she did.

i like you :-) Not as blind as the others...

Worship is not defined as revering as a god. Worship is revering and trusting and puting faith in of any kind. Muhammad's words are held as a supreme guide to Allah, therefore he is worshipped. Buddah is worshipped as a god by some, and again, his philosophies are taken as supreme, therefore he is worshiped. He is viewed to be the ultimate enlightened one. He also returned from enlightenment to guide others directly through miracles and shape the world around him.
The Dalai Lama is unquestionable and untaintable...and anyeone viewing him as such is worshipping him.
And Muhammad said the christian texts were corrupted and that what he believed was the true path to what was a nameless god but then called Allah...and that you are in sin and false if you are outside Islam...so its just as exclusive as christianity and its foundation is based upon attacking another religion...so....yeah.

But worship is different than deification.

But worship is different than deification.

correict me if i'm wrong...deification means to make something a god, right?

THAT'S EXACTLY MY POINT. I'm arguing against people saying Jesus is special because of how much he is worshipped, and how that makes him overrated. I'm saying other people are worshipped just as much...
other things too...
say...
MONEY?

On a completly different note, what excatly was so bad about Nelson Mandela?

In my humble opinion – most historic figures are overrated for their accomplishments. That’s not to say that they didn’t have an important role to play (good or bad) but rather, following the philosophy that graveyards are filled with indispensable people.

Cheers.
W.

How about Paul Bunyan?

In my humble opinion – most historic figures are overrated for their accomplishments. That’s not to say that they didn’t have an important role to play (good or bad) but rather, following the philosophy that graveyards are filled with indispensable people.

Cheers.
W.

good way of putting it...i may not agree but i can't argue any obvious fallacies.

How about Paul Bunyan?

I'm not being sarcastic or anything, but, um, was he real?

Worship is not defined as revering as a god. Worship is revering and trusting and puting faith in of any kind. Muhammad's words are held as a supreme guide to Allah, therefore he is worshipped.


Well, yes. Perhaps I put more weight in the word worship to make it comparable to deification or regarded as divinity.

I agree that that whole bunch is overrated, but still, none of them has been deified, not as Jesus has been, part of a Trinity. Except for the King of Thailand, but not as many people take him seriously (and the guy is alive).

So, you may say it's a toss up between Jesus, Mohammed and the King of Thailand. My vote still has to go to Jesus, though. Just for degree of divinity and number of followers.

Well, yes. Perhaps I put more weight in the word worship to make it comparable to deification or regarded as divinity.

I agree that that whole bunch is overrated, but still, none of them has been deified, not as Jesus has been, part of a Trinity. Except for the King of Thailand, but not as many people take him seriously (and the guy is alive).

So, you may say it's a toss up between Jesus, Mohammed and the King of Thailand. My vote still has to go to Jesus, though. Just for degree of divinity and number of followers.

if its an issue of divinity that i can accept your position.

i couldn't be bothered to read all the posts but were either of these two people mentioned???

J.K Rowling
David Beckham

if not then they should have been.

i had a revelation...i think someone else might have said it already tho.

you kno what's scary?

what if Jesus is the son of God, or that Mohommed was right?

Then you can't say they're overrated...and since there's not sufficient proof either way...i think it might be safer to argue outside of religious figures.

A very British one Princess Diana i know she is dead but she is still overhyped as a saint just because the gutter press feels responsible for her death.
She did some charity work however people forget thats what she was paid to do. I could go on a anti royal rant but i will contain myself

I'm pretty sure someone has already said this, but George Washington.
He was a great guy and all, and it isn't his fault, but he is slightly overrated. For example, technically , he was actually the 8th president. Although it's true he was the first president since the constitution, and they count from there.
Also, people assume that he was a great tactition, but in actuality, he was terrible at it. John Adams called him "an old mutton head" and jefferson said "he wasn't a great tactition".
He once constructed a fort at Great Meadows, Pennsylvania, on a swampy creek bottom, hemmed in in all three side by wooded hills. This position was so ludicrous that the French captured him immedietly and released him with advice to take up another line of work.
And, to be completely frank, he literally defeated the british by retreating faster then they could advance.

All this came from Uncle John's Bathroom Reader, and Uncle John's biggest ever bathroom reader, which are, despite the name, very good sources.

A very British one Princess Diana i know she is dead but she is still overhyped as a saint just because the gutter press feels responsible for her death.
She did some charity work however people forget thats what she was paid to do. I could go on a anti royal rant but i will contain myself

very true.

I never liked her much anyway.

Then you can't say they're overrated...and since there's not sufficient proof either way...i think it might be safer to argue outside of religious figures.

You may be right. Just to be on the safe side, one never knows.

Make it Sam Houston, then. Oops! I think some Texans consider him a religious figure.

For present day people, Nelson Mandela, a great symbol while in prison, totally ineffective as a national leader.

While I tend to think the French Revolution was a bust ("liberty, equality, fraternity"=>Robespierre and Napoleon), I can't point to one person for it.
Most overrated person of the past, probably Christopher Columbus who didn't really "discover" the New World.

You may be right. Just to be on the safe side, one never knows.

Make it Sam Houston, then. Oops! I think some Texans consider him a religious figure.

hahaha!

For present day people, Nelson Mandela, a great symbol while in prison, totally ineffective as a national leader.

While I tend to think the French Revolution was a bust ("liberty, equality, fraternity"=>Robespierre and Napoleon), I can't point to one person for ti.
Most overrated person of the past, probably Christopher Columbus who didn't really "discover" the New World.

it seems christopher columbus has found a following...or critical community more like.

i had a revelation...i think someone else might have said it already tho.

you kno what's scary?

what if Jesus is the son of God, or that Mohommed was right?

Then you can't say they're overrated...and since there's not sufficient proof either way...i think it might be safer to argue outside of religious figures.

Any "god" or "God" is overrated. Real or delusion. Anything that is twisted enough to demand that kind of respect and worship is overrated and unworthy.

I would say Beatrix Potter, the person who wrote those Peter rabbit stories.
I wouldn't call her "overrated" but she wasn't what she seemed to be. People assume that she was a sentimental animal loving author. She did love animals, but she wasn't sentimental. She also wrote, in her diaries, about killing boiling, and dissecting rabits so she could study their organs.

Any "god" or "God" is overrated. Real or delusion. Anything that is twisted enough to demand that kind of respect and worship is overrated and unworthy.

if something is that much greater than you...so far above you that you cannot fathom its hear, mind, and action...or even its power...what is there left to do than see its sacredness? and what else could we realistically do in relation to it than worship it?

I would say Beatrix Potter, the person who wrote those Peter rabbit stories.
I wouldn't call her "overrated" but she wasn't what she seemed to be. People assume that she was a sentimental animal loving author. She did love animals, but she wasn't sentimental. She also wrote, in her diaries, about killing boiling, and dissecting rabits so she could study their organs.

woah that's kind of cool :-P

I'm not being sarcastic or anything, but, um, was he real?


Yep - he was Canadian! lol...

Some people think Paul Bunyan was not a real person, but that's just not true. He was real and he lived in Canada. He became famous during a war in that country in 1837, called the Papineau Rebellion. A lot of the loggers joined the fight against the Queen's troops, and Paul Bunyan was always in the front lines, swinging his axe or any weapon he could reach, charging and smashing the enemy. When the war was over, Paul Bunyan had earned a reputation that would live for hundreds of years, maybe forever. The story of Paul Bunyan got bigger and better and greater each time the loggers gathered around their campfires at night.

Even though Paul Bunyan was from Canada, it was the American loggers who made him a hero. Michigan loggers added their own imagination to the tall logging tales. You see, it was in Michigan that Paul Bunyan found Babe, the blue ox that measured forty-two axe handles and a plug of chewing tobacco between the horns. It was also in Michigan where Paul
Bunyans's gigantic and romantic logging camps were built and furnished.

Yep - he was Canadian! lol...

Some people think Paul Bunyan was not a real person, but that's just not true. He was real and he lived in Canada. He became famous during a war in that country in 1837, called the Papineau Rebellion. A lot of the loggers joined the fight against the Queen's troops, and Paul Bunyan was always in the front lines, swinging his axe or any weapon he could reach, charging and smashing the enemy. When the war was over, Paul Bunyan had earned a reputation that would live for hundreds of years, maybe forever. The story of Paul Bunyan got bigger and better and greater each time the loggers gathered around their campfires at night.

Even though Paul Bunyan was from Canada, it was the American loggers who made him a hero. Michigan loggers added their own imagination to the tall logging tales. You see, it was in Michigan that Paul Bunyan found Babe, the blue ox that measured forty-two axe handles and a plug of chewing tobacco between the horns. It was also in Michigan where Paul
Bunyans's gigantic and romantic logging camps were built and furnished.

I don't know what pinko commie source you're reading, but Eau Claire, Wisconsin is the home of Paul Bunyan. They have the Paul Bunyan museum with a giant statue of him.

Pay no attention to the Michigan stories, or those people in Brainard, MN or Bemidji, MN calling themselves, "The Home of Paul Bunyan"!

if something is that much greater than you...so far above you that you cannot fathom its hear, mind, and action...or even its power...what is there left to do then see its sacredness? and what else could we realistically do in relation to it that worship it?

Ignore them. Noone, nobody, nothing deserves my praise unless I think they deserve it. Personally, I don't want, nor have time to waste my time praising gods/things.

What sacredness? Who defines sacredness?

I don't care if Superman existed, I would demand equal respect from him that I gave him.

If any "gods" wanted to talk with me, they could, but praise? praise is for insecure losers, and things not worth interacting with.

Yep - he was Canadian! lol...

Some people think Paul Bunyan was not a real person, but that's just not true. He was real and he lived in Canada. He became famous during a war in that country in 1837, called the Papineau Rebellion. A lot of the loggers joined the fight against the Queen's troops, and Paul Bunyan was always in the front lines, swinging his axe or any weapon he could reach, charging and smashing the enemy. When the war was over, Paul Bunyan had earned a reputation that would live for hundreds of years, maybe forever. The story of Paul Bunyan got bigger and better and greater each time the loggers gathered around their campfires at night.

Even though Paul Bunyan was from Canada, it was the American loggers who made him a hero. Michigan loggers added their own imagination to the tall logging tales. You see, it was in Michigan that Paul Bunyan found Babe, the blue ox that measured forty-two axe handles and a plug of chewing tobacco between the horns. It was also in Michigan where Paul
Bunyans's gigantic and romantic logging camps were built and furnished.
Actually, Paul Bunyan is what is known as "fakelore" He was created in 1920 by advertising agent W.B Laughead, to serve as a spokeshead for the Red River Lumber Company.

this place is crazy. Mandela is a terrorist? oh well i've got no desire to argue with people whos minds won't be changed...i'll just throw out a name I haven't seen yet that warrents mention--SIGMUND FREUD. Viktor Frankl's method of therapy is a million times more useful. Freud was right to point out that submerged memories can be a cause of distress, but a lot of the offshoots, a lot of the sexual theories, the interpretation of dreams, it basically reflects a) his experimentation with drugs and b) the fact that his entire clientele and sample population was UPPER-CLASS VIENNESE. Yeah so I'll throw out Freud since we're talking overrated. Not useless, but certainly overrated.

I can't believe i didn't think of Frued.

Ignore them. Noone, nobody, nothing deserves my praise unless I think they deserve it. Personally, I don't want, nor have time to waste my time praising gods/things.

What sacredness? Who defines sacredness?

I don't care if Superman existed, I would demand equal respect from him that I gave him.

If any "gods" wanted to talk with me, they could, but praise? praise is for insecure losers, and things not worth interacting with.

a prime example of the close-minded self centered human...
what makes you sure that something only deserves praise if you think so...cuz...its just possible that...you're WRONG. Reality exists outside the mind, not within.

And besides, think in terms of a creator maybe. If something created you, do you not think you owed it something?

Come to think of it, wouldn't yelling "Thank God" or "God Damnit!" be two forms of prayer?
In one you're thanking god, in the other, you're beseeching him/her.

a prime example of the close-minded self centered human...
what makes you sure that something only deserves praise if you think so...cuz...its just possible that...you're WRONG. Reality exists outside the mind, not within.

And besides, think in terms of a creator maybe. If something created you, do you not think you owed it something?

I owe allegiance to nothing. On that note, a loathe my mother and wish she were dead. This is an infantile comment, I know, but I'm simply stating facts.
I "create" daily, and note that even the term "create" is questionable, as I could simply use things that already exist.

Your assertion and assumption that it is one thing unnerves me and leaves me unwilling to talk to you.

Furthermore, the very fact that humbleness is godlike is enough to end this ridiculous quandry.

Do I need to praise the cosmos/gods for my creation? No. That is why I don't need to damn them for my transience.

Once again, I have every right to demand equal respect in return, as that is a fundemental of life.

But if you insist on arguing that my pagan morals are simply illusory, then yes, I am being an egoist and will gladly face the consequences.

If that ever were to happen, it would be refreshing beyong anything to know that gods and goddesses and unicorns and dragons do exist; but even then, they would get nothing from me, and whole bunch of curses and empty laughter for demanding such "human" necessities of praise and assurance.

Come to think of it, wouldn't yelling "Thank God" or "God Damnit!" be two forms of prayer?
In one you're thanking god, in the other, you're beseeching him/her.

Those are colloquialisms utilizing the bastardization of the German word "gott" completly unconnected with any actual deities.

I think most intellectuals are over-rated. Besides that I would say Ayn Rand is fairly over-rated, Descartes/Plato, and Freud are also over-rated.

I suppose that covers a large enough proportion of the sphere of the world; oh and yes of course, all of your opinions are over-rated. Mine? Well they are drastically under-rated.

Oh dear, I nearly forgot the almighty One Himself. The Christian variation of a supreme being, and the Muslim variation also, are over-rated.

Ten points to the man - no women allowed - who can reply with the most wit.

Ahh.
Then what's all this about "Using gods name in vain"?

No wit in this, but if the "almighty One Himself" is overrated, you assume he exists. Assuming that he/she created everything, he/she is overrated for just that. If he/she is overrated for creating everything, including you and your opinions, wouldn't it make sense for you and your opinions' creation to be overrated? That means that the creation of something underrated, was overrated and i won't go past that.

I think most intellectuals are over-rated. Besides that I would say Ayn Rand is fairly over-rated, Descartes/Plato, and Freud are also over-rated.

I suppose that covers a large enough proportion of the sphere of the world; oh and yes of course, all of your opinions are over-rated. Mine? Well they are drastically under-rated.

Oh dear, I nearly forgot the almighty One Himself. The Christian variation of a supreme being, and the Muslim variation also, are over-rated.

Ten points to the man - no women allowed - who can reply with the most wit.

what wit? you simply stated opinions without any form of reasoning whatsoever. Your challenge is meaningless.

I owe allegiance to nothing. On that note, a loathe my mother and wish she were dead. This is an infantile comment, I know, but I'm simply stating facts.[...]dragons do exist; but even then, they would get nothing from me, and whole bunch of curses and empty laughter for demanding such "human" necessities of praise and assurance.
I have no idea why I am quoting your post specifically; but on the point of religion - notice my nation name - I despise religion. I am agnostic because it is impossible to prove the existence of a god using a logical argument (note the stress with care); the best one can do is weigh the empirical evidence for or against god.

The point is that religion is never justified. Even given that a god or supreme deity does exist, religion is not given. I have never seen a religious person argue for religion, but purely for the existence of a god with the justification for religion assumed within the existence of god.

The fundamental basis of all religious dogma is the assumption that god is to be worshipped; from that basic premise spawned all of the beautiful churches and imaginitive books, works of art and tradition. Worship a god if you will, but why do you need somebody elses religion? Interpret god with your own belief.

I'd say 44% isn't overrated....so I'll not mess with Bush...otherwise...

King Arthur seems to be pretty overrated.



King Arthur was legend. There is no proof he actually existed.

what wit? you simply stated opinions without any form of reasoning whatsoever. Your challenge is meaningless.
And you "simply" typed gibberish.

I owe allegiance to nothing. On that note, a loathe my mother and wish she were dead. This is an infantile comment, I know, but I'm simply stating facts.
I "create" daily, and note that even the term "create" is questionable, as I could simply use things that already exist.

Your assertion and assumption that it is one thing unnerves me and leaves me unwilling to talk to you.

Furthermore, the very fact that humbleness is godlike is enough to end this ridiculous quandry.

Do I need to praise the cosmos/gods for my creation? No. That is why I don't need to damn them for my transience.

Once again, I have every right to demand equal respect in return, as that is a fundemental of life.

But if you insist on arguing that my pagan morals are simply illusory, then yes, I am being an egoist and will gladly face the consequences.

If that ever were to happen, it would be refreshing beyong anything to know that gods and goddesses and unicorns and dragons do exist; but even then, they would get nothing from me, and whole bunch of curses and empty laughter for demanding such "human" necessities of praise and assurance.

How can you demand respect of something more powerful than you? how can you make demands of any kind? what gives you that right?

And besides, the deity issue is far more copmlicted. Many deities are seen as having love and respect for their creations (jesus sacrificed himself).

Your ignorance of possibilities is astounding.

No wit in this, but if the "almighty One Himself" is overrated, you assume he exists. Assuming that he/she created everything, he/she is overrated for just that. If he/she is overrated for creating everything, including you and your opinions, wouldn't it make sense for you and your opinions' creation to be overrated? That means that the creation of something underrated, was overrated and i won't go past that.
Indeed no wit, but plenty of pedantry.

I have no idea why I am quoting your post specifically; but on the point of religion - notice my nation name - I despise religion. I am agnostic because it is impossible to prove the existence of gods using a logical argument (note the stress with care); the best one can do is weigh the empirical evidence for or against gods.

The point is that religion is never justified. Even given that gods or supreme deities do exist, religion is not given. I have never seen a religious person argue for religion, but purely for the existence of gods with the justification for religion assumed within the existence of gods.

The fundamental basis of all religious dogma is the assumption that gods are to be worshipped; from that basic premise spawned all of the beautiful churches and imaginitive books, works of art and tradition. Worship gods if you will, but why do you need somebody elses religion? Interpret gods with your own belief.

My compulsion is to edit your post so you say "gods". One god is so incredibly boring. It makes for a tepid script/movie/dialogue/mythology/cult/theology. It was so much better with polytheism and anamism. It was also far more realistic and logical.

Discordianism acknowledges the existence of more then one god, although they only worship one of them, but if you're looking for logic and realism, don't look there.

Hitler is entirely overrated.

He was not a military tactical genius. Nor was he a master at logistics. He knew how to worm his way up the ladder to the positions of power, but that's where the story ends. The mastery of Hitler was allowing a focus on modernized/mechanized/mobile warfare. And even then the Russians still had industrial superiority in that field.

Hitler was not the end-all-be-all definition of evil. He's just a modern conquorer who took his shot at fate. For the past 50 years, Jewish deaths from WW2 increases at a rate of 500,000 every three or four years to some astronomical number to adapt to the increasing shock thresholds of each generation.

In 10 years, I assure you 9 million Jews will have found a way to be killed during WW2.

But no one talks about the Armenian genocide by the Turks...

Or the Turks... period. Why does America know nothing about the Ottomans?

How can you demand respect of something more powerful than you? how can you make demands of any kind? what gives you that right?

And besides, the deity issue is far more copmlicted. Many deities are seen as having love and respect for their creations (jesus sacrificed himself).

Your ignorance of possibilities is astounding.

No, your ignorance of godly compassion and lack of need for human things such as "praise" is astounding.

Please stop insulting the gods by asserting that they needs such human things.

If they love me so much, then they had better respect me. It wasn't my choice to be created, it wasn't their choice to be creator. That's just how things were.

You cannot create something and expect it to enjoy it's state of gratitude and subordination, demand its respect and undying love, and be greatful that the fates gave it its place below you.

One is obligated on all levels of authority to respect each individual above or below with equal respect and dignity, as things could have easily been different in another existence.

And as for sacrafices, I make sacrafices too. Noone has the right to weigh one sacrafice over another... especially since there is no answer to the question "If heaven is such a great place, what's the sacrafice?"

Worship if you want, anything that unrightfully demands me to worship it for it's accidental elevated state of being has another thing coming. And anything that alleges free will and then attempts to punish me for excercising that is lower than the lowest low, and worthy of curse instead of praise.

I usually judge people by results

I have a lot. The main one I won't say under any circumstances, because if I do, I'll get flamed so badly I'll be scorched to ashes. So, I'll name some other ones (a few are guaranteed to generate some anger):

Franklin Roosevelt
Woodrow Wilson
Ronald Reagan
Mikhail Gorbachev
Nelson Mandela
Dwight Eisenhower
John F. Kennedy
Bill Clinton
Wow... mostly americans....

there is a pattern if you look deep enough.

there is a pattern if you look deep enough.

They all have the letter "o" in their name?

I dunno.
I'm assuming there's a pattern.

I dunno.
I'm assuming there's a pattern.

Well, most are "lefties" with the exception of a couple. Let me reiterate my dismay at his assertions about Mandela.

Most overrated person, eh? Well, two people come to mind. It's a close call, but the number two is Pierre Trudeau. We hear things about him and his "Just Society" and he was responsible for Canada's Charter of Rights and Freedoms, but he turned his back on any "Just Society" when he used the War Measures Act to impose a police state on Quebec in the wake of the October Crisis. (Two people were kidnapped by the FLQ, a Canadian terrorist group.) Furthermore, the Charter itself was a political document, which allowed many concessions for the provinces, including a notwithstanding clause that gave governments the ability to pass laws that are unconstitutional, and simply have to pass them again in five years' time. Finally, what can you say about a leader that sells out central Canada's provinces, more or less stealing the provinces' oil to get money for big Ottawa.
Number one, in my books, is a man we've all surely heard of. Johnnie Cochran. That's right; the OJ guy. This man's name has been synonymous with sleazy legal defense and money buying freedom for years, but when you get right down to it he's just another overpaid lawyer that used the "Race Card" one time. Moreover, the man has done more than defend rich black guysm but was responsible for many a lawsuit against big business, and won the freedom of wrongfully convicted Black Panther member, Geronimo Pratt. Believe it or not, the man has lost cases. Lots of them. And, as he wrote himself, a lawyer that tells you he's never lost a case, hasn't tried enough cases. He's tried enough, maybe we should leave him be.

I have a lot. The main one I won't say under any circumstances, because if I do, I'll get flamed so badly I'll be scorched to ashes. So, I'll name some other ones (a few are guaranteed to generate some anger):

Franklin Roosevelt
Woodrow Wilson
Ronald Reagan
Mikhail Gorbachev
Nelson Mandela
Dwight Eisenhower
John F. Kennedy
Bill Clinton
What about them?

Meh, not reading through all of this thread >_>

-Jesus. 1)I'm an atheist, and I doubt that he ever existed 2)The preachings that christans tell you about(love others, help others, blah blah blah...) didn't need a son of god to have them told. Anyone with a kind heart could tell you those thigns. 3)Christanity is overrated
-Columbus. Thanks to him, America was discovered...for the THIRD time!(first time by the Native Americans, second time by the Vikings) WOW! What an accompleshment! Don't forget his conquering of the natives!
-Famous soilders/warriors. Excelling at killing other people isn't a good thing, y'know. That applies to war "heroes" too. And "great" generals.
-Dr. Atkins. Low-carb diet=bad, since (complex)carbs are the best source of energy, and you're better off lowering fat & sugar intake, and actually EXERCISING.
-Any famous athlete. Sorry, doing well in a job where you're getting paid more than those who DESERVE it(like teachers) to play a game that the average joe can play(albeit not as well) does NOT impress me.

-Elvis.

I have a lot. The main one I won't say under any circumstances, because if I do, I'll get flamed so badly I'll be scorched to ashes. So, I'll name some other ones (a few are guaranteed to generate some anger):

Franklin Roosevelt
Woodrow Wilson
Ronald Reagan
Mikhail Gorbachev
Nelson Mandela
Dwight Eisenhower
John F. Kennedy
Bill Clinton
Bill Clinton wasnt overrated at all. He was just bad.

I doubt you're an athiest. Most likely, you're an agnostic.
Jesus existed, although he might have not been "divine".

-Jesus. 1)...I doubt that he ever existed
There is a lot of historical evidence to suggest otherwise; the dispute is whether or not he was the son of God.

-Columbus. Thanks to him, America was discovered...for the THIRD time!(first time by the Native Americans, second time by the Vikings) WOW! What an accompleshment! Don't forget his conquering of the natives!
Congratulations, primarily for your platitudinous comments, but also because the map that was used to suggest that the Vikings discovered America has been widely debated as a fake - I can't wait for the obvious replies.

Thankyou, in general, you are a socialistic-wealth of knowledge.

I doubt you're an athiest. Most likely, you're an agnostic.
Jesus existed, although he might have not been "divine".
What has thinking that Jesus didn't exist got to do with whether or not he believes a divine being exists? You can be an atheist and an idiot, just like theists are/can.


;)

Before you flame, I am asking a question to people more knowledgeable about the subject than myself here. So here goes (sorry if already mentioned, I skipped to the end of the post)

Was Rudi Guliani actually any good, or did people only like him because he made good speeches in the aftermath of 9/11? Was he actually a good mayor?

Also, Illumini - if that is your real name - why didn't you apply the same pedantry to him as you did to me. How can Jesus be over-rated if he didn't exist. Hmmm?

In my opinion the most over-rated band is Led Zeppelin. Of course every classic rock fan knows that Zep kicks ass but I think they are waaaay to publicized.

the map that was used to suggest that the Vikings discovered America has been widely debated as a fake - I can't wait for the obvious replies.


Really? I honestly never knew that.
But the Americas were visited by some ancient Scandanavian explorers, weren't they?

usually you study a little before completely denying the existence of a supreme being who created everything

usually you study a little before completely denighing the existence of a supreme being who created everything
Who was that directed at? I hope it wasn't me, I only have the Shorter Oxford Dictionary, and it doesn't know what "denighing" means. There's no denying it, I don't have a clue who your comments were directed at.

Ha. I corrected my spelling mistake at the exact moment you pointed it out.
Not exact of course. I can't prove that, but the two things happened pretty close to each other.

Really? I honestly never knew that.
But the Americas were visited by some ancient Scandanavian explorers, weren't they?
I don't know about that. All I know is that the evidence for the Vikings discovering America was a map supposedly drawn by vikings which had the rough shape of America - or parts of it. Whether it was genuine is debated; personally - although I am no expert (who is) - I doubt it is real. The reason for this is that the person who it was first traced back to was known to make fakes to sell.

My memory of the story is vague, but that is all I remember.

Ha. I corrected my spelling mistake at the exact moment you pointed it out.
Not exact of course. I can't prove that, but the two things happened pretty close to each other.
Damn you! ;)

Although, it is there in my quote for all to see. Mwahaha. Oh well, who cares. Really though, who was your post directed at? my comments on your spelling were only a minor point.

You.

You.
Now I am even more confused. I haven't denied the existence of a supreme being, I am an agnostic.

It can be anyone (they have to be famous, of course): good, evil, a politician, a celebrity, whatever. There's only one rule: NO FLAMING!!!! under any circumstances!

John Kennedy (Son of the bootlegger)

Using the term "deny" asserts an elitist knowledge that there is evidence of definite deities, or in the case of your mythology, deity.

Furthermore, studying only uncovers the fact that most deities/deified crocks were nothing more than fantastical tales with numerous and blaringly obvious and incriminating similarities to older mythologies.

The only way to "prove" or "disprove" is through logic, which really wouldn't work because you can't argue logic against faith, or vice versa.

Deity*

Furthermore, it's more complicated as to why you can't use logic to prove the existence of a supreme being. It's nothing to do with faith.

Deity*

Furthermore, it's more complicated as to why you can't use logic to prove the existence of a supreme being. It's nothing to do with faith.

Right. But I mean, especially in regards to arguements of faith.

Yes, my spelling is terrible.

Right. But I mean, especially in regards to arguements of faith.
Ah, of course I see what you mean. The propositions of faith cannot be true or false because they are never asserted - they are believed. That is why they cannot be discussed in terms of logic. Still, that is not the reason why you cannot prove the metaphysical possibility of a supreme being.

Yes, my spelling is terrible.
I am especially attentive to spelling, which I dare say is not a good mix.

Well maybe these people aren't the most over rated in history but names that come off the top of my head are:
Madonna
Britney Spears
Enimen
The Kennedy's
Al Gore
Micheal Moore
People who write for the New York Times
Jennifer Lopez
Jessica & Ashlee Simpson
Hilton's
George Carlin
James Cameron
Beyonce
Kerry, Edwards and Heinz
MTV heh :rolleyes:
Richard Clark
Okay that's enough names..lol :eek:

But it's the fact that you worship him that makes him over-rated. From a non-Christian perspective, Jesus is insanely over-rated, because from a non-Christian perspective Jesus was just an old-world hippy turned cult leader, who got killed because his beliefs conflicted with those of another larger cult.With that kind of argument, you can basically discount every religion that has an idol of sorts. And that's just about all of them. From a non-Christian perspective, Jesus surely is overrated, but for every Christian, he isn't. From our perspective, he's done MUCH more for us that would deserve more than what we give him; not just dying for our sins (we like that one too, though), but teaching us morals, like to share, forgive others and many more. If we were to completely disrespect his teachings, we'd be living in hell for lack of a religious figure to guide us. In fact, simply because he was worshipped gives us a level of respect for him that would allow us to learn from him unlike anyone else. So, in essence, parts of the Christian population are NOT completely bloodthirsty because Jesus was overrated. You might've already been killed by a Christian fanatic if he wasn't worshipped. But probably not. You get the point.

You ever get the feeling that the only religions on this board are Christianity and Atheism and there's a constant argument between them that has been completely consistent since the dawn of time? Just thinking. False generalisation, but you know what I mean. Wouldn't it be nice if we could just get along, and maybe argue about something that it's easier to not have blind faith in, like politics.

With that kind of argument, you can basically discount every religion that has an idol of sorts. And that's just about all of them. From a non-Christian perspective, Jesus surely is overrated, but for every Christian, he isn't.This quote is brought to you minus the unnecessary bits that any Christian worth his or her salt can tell you.

Yes, from a perspective outside of that religion, each and every religious idol figure is over-rated. Christianity, being one of the largest and most zealous religions, gets Jesus the trophy shearly based on the fact that they are the most prominent religion, in my life at least.

Now, I never say that Jesus was a bad guy. Jesus was a great guy, he helped all sorts of people, and he had some actually decent ideas of how to deal with the Romans. He wanted to live in peace with them, rather than fight, and the Romans in turn let him do whatever he wanted because he wasn't a threat to them.

The Jews at the time, who had been suffering centuries of Roman oppression, were hoping for a Schwarzenegger-type messiah. Y'know, someone who'd come up in front of a crowd of Jews and yell out in a thick Austrian accent, "Leht's gho keel da Roh-mans!"
Jesus was a hippy, plain and simple, and the Jews didn't like him for taking the place of their militant messiah, so they got the Romans to wack him.

Now, my point in all of this is that no one besides God or his son deserves the praise and attention that Jesus gets today. If you're Christian, he's not over-rated because of that fact, but if you're not Christian, he is over-rated because of that same fact.

Meh, not reading through all of this thread >_>

-Jesus. 1)I'm an atheist, and I doubt that he ever existed 2)The preachings that christans tell you about(love others, help others, blah blah blah...) didn't need a son of god to have them told. Anyone with a kind heart could tell you those thigns. 3)Christanity is overrated
-Columbus. Thanks to him, America was discovered...for the THIRD time!(first time by the Native Americans, second time by the Vikings) WOW! What an accompleshment! Don't forget his conquering of the natives!
-Famous soilders/warriors. Excelling at killing other people isn't a good thing, y'know. That applies to war "heroes" too. And "great" generals.
-Dr. Atkins. Low-carb diet=bad, since (complex)carbs are the best source of energy, and you're better off lowering fat & sugar intake, and actually EXERCISING.
-Any famous athlete. Sorry, doing well in a job where you're getting paid more than those who DESERVE it(like teachers) to play a game that the average joe can play(albeit not as well) does NOT impress me.

-Elvis.
People with kind hearts don't come around often. Even most Christians can't seem to get a lot of the aspects of Christianity, particularly Extremist Catholics. Furthermore, anyone who goes about telling everyone to be kind to each other sounds like a retard unless you think they're the son of god. That's why he was crucified, because they thought he was some loonie. He was also a heretic in their eyes (of what I can remember, he didn't agree with trading money in the synagogue; after that, I can't remember).

Also, can you back up how "christanity is overrated?" That seems quite a random thing to say.

Though you're right about the others, I have to say ('cept maybe Elvis; I don't know much about that). Atkins was actually killed by his own diet from high Cholesterol, which is one of the bigger faults of the Atkins diet.

Though, I wouldn't say all teachers deserve the money they get. My curriculum is completely messed (waaaaaaaaaaay too slow) and the teachers seem to be a bit incapable when trying to expand on the curriculum and get off their ass and teach something new for once.

Ghandi, though I suppose since he took a Hell of a lot of abuse before deliberately inciting mass riots and threatening to help the Axis/overthrow British rule in a blood coup it's sort of fair enough.

Mother Theresa, for successfully ignoring famine, mass rape, war crimes, murder and all the fun of a full on war against civilians in order to tell raped woman not to get abortions during one of the Pakistan/India conflicts. Then supporting Very Bad dicator after Very Bad dictator after Very Bad dictator...then accepting money off the mafia and other shady chaps. Then setting her charity up as a hospital or hostel network while instead supplying houses for people to die enough, whilst keeping the money and using it to prolong her own damn near worthless life for as long as possible.

Plus she was exorcised once.

Seriously, what the Hell did she do that was good?

Oh, and Tom Green, terribly annoying and abrasive fellow.

Ghandi, though I suppose since he took a Hell of a lot of abuse before deliberately inciting mass riots and threatening to help the Axis/overthrow British rule in a blood coup it's sort of fair enough.

Mother Theresa, for successfully ignoring famine, mass rape, war crimes, murder and all the fun of a full on war against civilians in order to tell raped woman not to get abortions during one of the Pakistan/India conflicts. Then supporting Very Bad dicator after Very Bad dictator after Very Bad dictator...then accepting money off the mafia and other shady chaps. Then setting her charity up as a hospital or hostel network while instead supplying houses for people to die enough, whilst keeping the money and using it to prolong her own damn near worthless life for as long as possible.

Plus she was exorcised once.

Seriously, what the Hell did she do that was good?

Oh, and Tom Green, terribly annoying and abrasive fellow.Gandhi was only working in the interests of India. He didn't care about WWII except for the fact that it caused tension on the Brittish, which made them bend to his will easier.

Tom Green I'll definately give you, and I don't know enough about Mother Theresa to decide either way.

The person I'm thinking of was a prolific plagiarist, was called "the most notorious liar in the country," by J. Edgar Hoover, was more of an adulterer than Kennedy and Clinton combined, led hundreds of violence-producing marches, hired (and often beat up) prostitutes, was a pagan, an alcoholic, a full-fledged predatory sexual psychopath, a radical socialist, brought a lot of cities to the brink of anarchy, rubbed elbows with radical communists (one who was employed by the KGB, others who were convicted of bombing buildings) and even had many of them join his organization, and he is one of the most beloved and respected men in our country. That's all I'll say.
You're talking about Martin Luther King.

I can't belive you cite J. Edgar Hoover as a source for calling someone a liar. Pot/kettle?

And J. Edgar Hoover has just SO much to be respected about him.

He wasn't a plagiarist, but a disciple. You're thinking of Gandhi's works, correct? He took those and added on his own thoughts.

Also, what's wrong with socialism and communism? Are you so closed-minded as to not even consider that maybe those forms of government could be better than what we have?

As for the violence producing marches, that was on the side of the government most of the time. The point of his marches was to be nonviolent and to not resist, but racism drove police to do some other things.

And the Anarchy bit? Ever heard of the battle of Los Angeles? Best thing that ever happened to that city. Ever.

I doubt so much that you can prove he was "a full-fledged predatory sexual psychopath". And what's wrong with paganism, anyway? It's a completely legitimate religion, even though I highly doubt he was a pagan, considering the fact that he was not only a reverend of the Lutheran Church, but also named after the Lutheran Church's founder.

Most of your facts here are so far biased, they border on untrue.
Also worth mentioning that adultory, while not exactly a good thing, is hardly the mater and pater of all evils (ditto paganism, plagerism, alcoholism and socialism)

Mother Theresa is known to have had friendships with one or more dictators. Tito (some Balkan country) , and/or the crazy cannibal African one.
Yugoslavia and Idi Amin are the blanks there I think

Dr.Atkins (lets just forget all that science saying that carbs are essential to life)

Mother Theresa (she caused more trouble than helped...all she did was take advantage of poor people to convert them...whoopdiedoo! There are like thousands of other missionaries out there taking advatage of poor people too...i don't see any glorifying of them?)

Diana. OK cummon. Why? Why? Why? There are plenty of princessess out there. Some more attractive than her. The woman married that hideous prince (with bad taste for women after his divorce) in the first place. Really who cares? This is the princess of WALES!!! England is a small enough island...now wales makes it more important. Really who cares? I think the Saudi family is more funny to watch...atleast their scandals aren't chik flick style.

I am sure there are more overrated people I can list. Let me think though.

Descartes. He's overrated. As a philosopher at least... he was a good mathematician.

The "no one knew the earth was round" theory is waaay overrated too.The cogito is very compelling, but the meditations go downhill in a big way after chapter 2.

More overrated people:

Nelson Mandela, the murderer/terrorist

One man's cat is another man's cow. I prefer to think of Mandela as the best reason why we should not label people so quickly as terrorists.

Dr.Atkins (lets just forget all that science saying that carbs are essential to life)
Doesn't it also contradict the law of conservation of energy?

It's true that the finding ended up pretty badly for the indians but you can't blame Columbus for that.He gave them blankets coated with smallpox. I can blame him for that.

He's the first person to use biological weapons for gods sakes!!

Doesn't it also contradict the law of conservation of energy?

Errr yess.....he is also a greedy capitalist. Where's the [creator's name] low fat diet? He doesn't have his name on that. Dr Atkins is a little peabrain living the high-life while people get eating disorders from lack of carbs.

And who cares...why not call it the "low-carb diet". Greedy capitalist pig :)

He gave them blankets coated with smallpox. I can blame him for that.

He's the first person to use biological weapons for gods sakes!!

Your right, Columbus belongs on the list.

The country which sent him off executed him for his atrocious murders. How sad is that? This guy kills millions and gets his own holiday...grrrr

and why has everybody got something against Jesus...
why not say Muhammad is overrated?
Or that Moses is overrated?

What about buddha?
Or the dalai Llama?

THeyre all exclusive ppl who are praised for being the greatest by some religion or another...
but why does Jesus face the most rejection?
The point is that Jesus is the most highly rated, and no more deserving of that rating than others. Therefore he is the most overrated.

Thats a lie....
Maybe in the modern world...
But in the 3rd world, the Eastern world, and pretty much any other place than America Jesus is little known. Muhammad is more widely known, but may not be more widely worshipped.

Sides...that's still not a good reason. That's not making a choice, thats just reacting to the majority (well, an American majority) and being contrary to feel special.
Christianity is the largest religion in the world. Its true that a lot of people in China are athiest, and that a lot of people in India follow Hinduism, and that a lot of people in the Middle East are Muslims, but almost all of South America, and a good chunk of Africa, as well as Europe and North and Central America are predominantly christian.

It's a common mistake, but E=mc^2 is not part of the Relativity Theory. It's another one that says that energy and matter are the same thing and that you can convert one into the other. It has been observed many times in particle accelerators and it seems to hold.
I'm fairly sure that the fact that Energy, matter and the speed of light are all related and interchangable is usually termed the theory of relativity. There are two different relativities, special and general, that could be where you're getting mixed up.

Personally, my most overrated person has to be The Smoking Man. Did you know, he was in fact not the first person to come up with the Forum 7 mystery? People in the technical forum had noticed it months before. All he did was put together a bunch of hyperlinks and turn it into a conspiracy. For shame!

Friggin Parratoga


I've seen her posts, she wasn't better than anyone else, and the only thing she's done is grab attention (although it's gone now, thankfully) and kept her name up in the top 100 list for Posters...formerly.

The point is that Jesus is the most highly rated, and no more deserving of that rating than others. Therefore he is the most overrated.
Is Jesus overrated because he has more worshippers, or is everyone else underrated? Furthermore, he'd have to be called overrated if he was not deserving of attention, which is way too disputed to go over. Even furthermore, to say that he is overrated due to people's devotion and his number of worshippers and people who know of him is wrong. That would be like forcing any worshippers of Jesus above the average worshipper count of other religions to go and worship someone else who they don't even believe in. I'd think it would be hilarious if Atheists became the majority and they'd be forced to worship someone.

Point is, statistics can mean whatever you want if said properly, but that does not make them right. One might say that the Christian Lord was definitely the only true religion because the most people believe it.

Errr yess.....he is also a greedy capitalist. Where's the [creator's name] low fat diet? He doesn't have his name on that. Dr Atkins is a little peabrain living the high-life while people get eating disorders from lack of carbs.

And who cares...why not call it the "low-carb diet". Greedy capitalist pig :)

He's dead, thank god. The bastard.

Come to think of it, wouldn't yelling "Thank God" or "God Damnit!" be two forms of prayer?
In one you're thanking god, in the other, you're beseeching him/her.

no, that's blasphemy. well it is in the context that most people use it in, unless you were thanking god for some kind of miracle (or something similar) then saying "Thank God" would be okay. but you're not allowed to say "God Damnit" because that's using his name in vain.

Lady Thatcher

Lady Thatcher

Indeed, she was the cause of more misery than good.

Jesus.

Jesus.

Fourth time he's been brought up

Beethoven.

...no wait, he was pretty good. I suppose I'll just say Ayn Rand again to emphasise the point; Nirvana are also over-rated. This thread is fairly over-rated..

MLK. yeah he did some good stuff for racism but shut up about him. I'd rather learn about my countrys history of how it began, or the presidents in class instead of everyone second about the racism that only exists in individuals today. The goverment isn't being racist, im sick of everyone saying that. If anything they give more rights to the other races than whites. What about black history month and latino history month, wheres white history month or jewish history month or something. NO OFFENSE!!

no. plagiarism covers both outright copying people's words and using their ideas without proper citation. doing either is a serious violation of academic standards and can get you into loads of trouble in an academic setting.

Like most national constitutions and other analogous historical documents in the world the Declaration of Independence may not have ended with a bunch of footnotes but Jefferson wasn't claiming to have invented the ideas contained within the DoI. People frequently in even academic situations make unoriginal uncited generalizations and borrow cliches from the zeitgeist of the time as Jefferson has. Though I agree that the media and other sources always incorrectly portray Jefferson as a groundbreaking philosopher... Jefferson himself repeatedly acknowledged the debts he owed to past thinkers

jefferson is as guilty of plagiarism as mlk jr is.
Jefferson never repeatedly stole thousands of words from books for his college essays though... In the strictest academic settings neither man would last if we looked at just the DoI and I have a Dream, however MLK's plagiarism is much more severe considering their entire bodies of writings.

I'm fairly sure that the fact that Energy, matter and the speed of light are all related and interchangable is usually termed the theory of relativity. There are two different relativities, special and general, that could be where you're getting mixed up.
No the relation between energy and matter is called the equivalence principle. The theories of relativity deal with other things.

Um, dude, just cause they both quoted from the same song doesn't mean one plagarized from the other. It's a very well known song.

My country tis of thee,
Sweet land of liberty,
Of thee I sing.
Land where my fathers died!
Land of the Pilgrim's pride!
From every mountain side,
Let freedom ring!

My native country, thee,
Land of the noble free,
Thy name I love.
I love thy rocks and rills,
Thy woods and templed hills;
My heart with rapture fills
Like that above.

Let music swell the breeze,
And ring from all the trees
Sweet freedom's song.
Let mortal tongues awake;
Let all that breathe partake;
Let rocks their silence break,
The sound prolong.

Our father's God to, Thee,
Author of liberty,
To Thee we sing.
Long may our land be bright
With freedom's holy light;
Protect us by Thy might,
Great God, our King!
That's not the only song quoted in the speeches. We've already established that this part of King's speech was borrowed from Archibald Carey's. However Free Soviets also pointed out that the copying was most probably authorized and legitimate so theres not much of a problem with the speech dilemma...

Friggin Parratoga


I've seen her posts, she wasn't better than anyone else, and the only thing she's done is grab attention (although it's gone now, thankfully) and kept her name up in the top 100 list for Posters...formerly.


I was #1, what are you talking about? I was THE number one poster way back when. ;)

It's not my fault I got a lot of attention.

In American history: almost all of our founding fathers. Presidents Lincoln, Kennedy, and FDR.

Of all time: Columbus. Or Cristobal Colon. Or whatever the hell his real name may have been.

In entertainment/art: Stanley Kubrick, oh GOD.

In entertainment/art: Stanley Kubrick, oh GOD.

Sinner!

I loved The Shining. I kind of liked 2001. Other than that... Dont even get me started on the putrid garbage known as Eyes Wide Shut. I'm glad the bastard finally tanked.

Another far overrated figure: Hitler. Just a tool in the greater machine. If we're looking for a scapegoat to the atrocities of WWII, we should be looking more at Hitler's dear friend Mr. Heinrich...

Ceasar........... ;)
Caesar is a title, not a person. I presume that you mean Julius Caesar of the House of Julii, the person most people mistakenly refer to as just 'Caesar.'
Anyway, Albert Einstein. Just because someone is a grand master of math and physics doesn't make him or her an all-around genius.

Let the dead rest in peace, my friend.

Che Guevera.

Geoff Boycott. And he's generally thought of as shite anyway.

Most overrated people? Here goes-

-The majority of celeberties (a bunch of elitists who are worshipped but shouldn't be)
-The French involvement in WWII (France lost in like a week and then joined Hitler. A few brave people resisted, but many joined Hitler and then we give the whole country credit and call them an "allied nation.")
-Colombus
-JFK
-Carter
-All the Clintons
-Nietshze or whatever his face is
-Many more...

John F. Kennedy


In fact......the whole Kennedy clan

Kurt cobaine
metalica

John F. Kennedy


In fact......the whole Kennedy clan
I don't see what was so bad about Kennedy. He was a major key player in The Space Race, The Cold War (not as big), and in The Cuban Missile Crisis.
And if I'm right, he is the one responsible for the release of Martin Luther King.

I think people are ticked because he was assasinated and people spend more time over the man and not over what the man did.

I don't see what was so bad about Kennedy. He was a major key player in The Space Race, The Cold War (not as big), and in The Cuban Missile Crisis.
And if I'm right, he is the one responsible for the release of Martin Luther King.

I think people are ticked because he was assasinated and people spend more time over the man and not over what the man did.


didnt say he was bad. Just overrated. The Kennedys are the United States version of royalty-at least thats how they were fussed over and portrayed.

And for the record, saying anyone is overrated in history is just stupid, IMO.

History is so much more than events, history is not about when battles were fought, what Generals fought what wars, when did the Depression hit. History is about the ideals behind the events. You learn history, you learn about the struggle of mankind, litterally.

Almost every event in history had an ideal behind it.

Shaq
Sammy "Cork" Sosa
Esteban Loaiza
Michael Vick
Brett Favre
Kerry Wood
Carlos Zambrano
Mark Pryor
Joe Borowski
Corey Patterson
Michael Barrett
Ronnie Woo
Kyle Farnsworth

Jesus
Moses
Buddha
Mohammed
and just about everyone else.
The whole human race is overated, in the long run we are just not that important.

Napoleon. Yay, he took over Europe. But as soon as the Coalition beat him not once but twice pretty much everything he accomplished was reverted. What a waste of military talent.

I'm surprised noone has mentioned G.W.Bush. Even though he's still in the present, he must be the most overrated person ever.

If anyone disagress with that, than I'd say Elvis Presley. All he did was sing black music and he was famous. (I can't stand Elvis)

What about Count Dracula. Ok he was a bastard, but him being a Vampire???