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Joxr , I can see you're new.. so I should tell you we sort of have a rule if you copy/paste work that is not your own, we ask that you provide a link to where you got it from.

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Stephanie
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So, about a decade and a half later, he was off by between six days and two months. I don't think that's nearly as big a deal as Bush's well-documented and multiple lies.

"I remember spending Christmas Eve of 1968 five miles across the Cambodian border being shot at by our South Vietnamese allies who were drunk and celebrating Christmas. The absurdity of almost being killed by our own allies in a country in which President Nixon claimed there were no American troops was very real."

Pretty hard to get it wrong when it is Christmas Eve, but whatever you want to believe is your perogative.

Actually, I posted a thread that corrects this, and it sank like a stone. Kerry wasn't in Cambodia on Christmas 1968, but he was in January and February of 1969 - when Nixon was president.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/08/13/wus13.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/08/13/ixworld.html



Ironically, this proves that Richard Nixon is more memorable than Christmas.

So, about a decade and a half later, he was off by between six days and two months. I don't think that's nearly as big a deal as Bush's well-documented and multiple lies.

Even the Bush campaign admits that the statement in his campaign autobiography about him flying for "several years" is wrong. The explanations are that Bush was: 1) lying 2) too drugged out to remember how long he flew or 3) too lazy to read his own autobiography

One minor problem. His COs would've received the order for them to go into Cambodia. Even his Biographer admitted he wasn't there and that the info that was in his book came from Kerry himself. Kerry wasn't in Cambodia. Not even in 1969 or 1970!

"I remember spending Christmas Eve of 1968 five miles across the Cambodian border being shot at by our South Vietnamese allies who were drunk and celebrating Christmas. The absurdity of almost being killed by our own allies in a country in which President Nixon claimed there were no American troops was very real."

Pretty hard to get it wrong when it is Christmas Eve, but whatever you want to believe is your perogative.

FoB, can you please tell me exactly where you were in April of 1968? Exactly please. No room for error.. and 50 miles outside is not good enough. We need to know exactly.. it's only 36 years ago, surely you must recall with complete clarity!

One minor problem. His COs would've received the order for them to go into Cambodia. Even his Biographer admitted he wasn't there and that the info that was in his book came from Kerry himself. Kerry wasn't in Cambodia. Not even in 1969 or 1970!

That's actually precisely not what the biographer said - learn to read!

Edit to clarify - because it's not clear what FD meant. The biographer backed up Kerry's claims of being in Cambodia, but not at the time that Kerry said.

I'll admit he was wrong - but his rival misrepresented his military record as well.

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Bush is running his campaign on the issues he has faced and how he has handled them since 2000. What is at issue is, since Kerry's 2 main campaign hooks is that he isn't Bush and he received 3 Purple Hearts (lord knows THAT's seared into our memories), whether Kerry should open ALL of his records. Since he has made Nam his credentials for fitness to serve as our president, he should make all of his credentials open to view. If the 40 men who tell a different story of his time in Nam are wrong, then he needs to address the issues point by point. As long as he doesn't, there is going to be doubts in people who are trying to guage the man.
Here's the problem. Bush isn't running his campaign on his accomplishments, because if he was, he'd be down to about 30% support. What accomplishments? A lower stock market, lower employment, lower national security. Yeah--I want to run on that record. Look at Bush's campaign ads--they're of two sorts. They're either bullshit attacks on Kerry or they're trying to scare people into thinking that the terrorists are coming and only Bush can stop them. But there's nothing about Bush's actual performance as President in his platform--with good reason.

There is another problem. If you believe the media and the right-wing, then you'd think that all Kerry is running on is his three purple hearts, his bronze star and silver star--all legitimately earned, by the way. But that's not what he's running on--in fact, it's far from the focus of his campaign. His campaign is largely about turning the economy around, rolling back the tax cuts on the wealthiest Americans, closing the corporate tax loopholes and providing health insurance coverage for all Americans.

But do you hear the media talking about that? Do you hear talk radio talking about that? Of course not--why? Because it doesn't fit in with the narrative that they want constructed. They want the sensational attacks from the Swift Boat Vets for Bush. They want the quotes taken out of context by Cheney and Bush. They don't want to actually discuss substantive questions of policy because Bush comes off looking very very badly by comparison. The right-wing wants Bush in office, so they keep the spin coming, The media wants a horserace, because no one tunes in to a blowout. So they do what they must to keep it close. But if you're buying into the idea that all Kerry's running on is that he's not Bush and he's a war hero, then you're as gullible as they want you to be. And if you're really 53, then you're old enough to know better.

Actually, here's a challenge for both Bill and Dances:

Why is Kerry's statement that he was in Cambodia during Christmas of 1968 (when it appears that he was there a few months later) more of a concern than Bush's statement that he saw the first plane on 9/11 crash on the morning of September 11, when no video was shown until the next day?

That's actually precisely not what the biographer said - learn to read!

Learn to research!

This WAS NOT mentioned in his book Tour of Duty written by Brinkly (his Biographer)! Why?

Also, Swift Boats wheren't allowed into Cambodia. That was not their mission. Unless he got a transfer that isn't listed on his website under his military records.

Actually, here's a challenge for both Bill and Dances:

Why is Kerry's statement that he was in Cambodia during Christmas of 1968 (when it appears that he was there a few months later) more of a concern than Bush's statement that he saw the first plane on 9/11 crash on the morning of September 11, when no video was shown until the next day?

Well I can say it is important for the simple reason is that he has mentioned it in 1971, 1986, and in 1992! His biography (Tour of Duty) does not include this but a different tail of what he did on Christmas that year.

As for Bush, I didn't hear him make that comment so I won't comment further till I research it.

Learn to research!

I find this ironic, coming from someone who believes Bill O'Reilly is independent. (Then why did he register as a republican?)

This WAS NOT mentioned in his book Tour of Duty written by Brinkly (his Biographer)! Why?

Because the diaries didn't exist then; Kerry went back with a time machine and created them after the Swift Boats book came out.

Or, because the ops were secret. But probably, because they weren't that interesting - Kerry dropped off some black ops people.

Actually, here's a challenge for both Bill and Dances:

Why is Kerry's statement that he was in Cambodia during Christmas of 1968 (when it appears that he was there a few months later) more of a concern than Bush's statement that he saw the first plane on 9/11 crash on the morning of September 11, when no video was shown until the next day?
Source?

As for Bush, I didn't hear him make that comment so I won't comment further till I research it.

Type the following:
Bush "one lousy pilot"

into Google and go wild.

(Don't forget that Bush's trifecta comment - which he's made several times - is also a lie.)

Well I can say it is important for the simple reason is that he has mentioned it in 1971, 1986, and in 1992! His biography (Tour of Duty) does not include this but a different tail of what he did on Christmas that year.

As for Bush, I didn't hear him make that comment so I won't comment further till I research it.
i can explain where he got nixon from, unless he named him in 1971, in which case it becomes highly ironic and even suspicious. in 1971, 8 months after kerry's statement in april, Nixon gave the exact statement "There are no troops in Cambodia"

also, that is a biography, not an AUTObiography, a biography is a life story done by some one thats not yourself, an autobiography is a life story written by yourself, if it is not in a BIOGRAPHY there are an extra host of reasons why that may not have been included IF it even came up

Kerry is a very unskilled liar, but also a habitual liar.

I find this ironic, coming from someone who believes Bill O'Reilly is independent. (Then why did he register as a republican?)



Because the diaries didn't exist then; Kerry went back with a time machine and created them after the Swift Boats book came out.

Or, because the ops were secret. But probably, because they weren't that interesting - Kerry dropped off some black ops people.

Its not in his journal! Brinkly looked at the Journal. If it was important as Kerry claimed it was, then he would've included it in his biography. Come to think of it, I don't think its in the other biography done by the Boston Globe either.

You just ignored the fact that Swift Boats where not and never was allowed into Cambodia. If he was transfered, his COs would've known about it otherwise, they would've considered him AWOL if he didn't report.

As for dropping off Black op people, that is actually cronicaled!

Kerry is a very unskilled liar, but also a habitual liar.
Source? Let me guess--swiftvets.com? Give me a break.

Two can play at this game, FOB.

Speaking of the Swift Boat Vets for Bush, anyone see the smackdown Jon Stewart laid down on them last week? A true thing of beauty. (http://www.comedycentral.com/mp/play.php?reposid=/multimedia/tds/headlines/9016.html) Why can't our press corps do this quality of work?

Kerry Made False Cambodia Claim 50 Times

It won't be all that easy for John Kerry to revise his demonstrably false claim that he spent Christmas 1968 in Cambodia, since he's on the record more than 50 times making the assertion, according to former Vietnam Swift Boat commander John O'Neill.

"There are more than 50 occasions on which he said he was in Cambodia on Christmas Eve and Christmas Day in 1968," O'Neill told WABC Radio's Steve Malzberg on Sunday. "More than 50 - as recently as last summer."

Story Continues Below



The Kerry campaign has commissioned presidential biographer Douglas Brinkley to adjust his Cambodia claims to make them comport with the known facts in an upcoming report in The New Yorker magazine.
But O'Neill said it will be hard to palm off Kerry's previous accounts as mere inadvertent misstatements.

"It wasn't some casual memory," he told Malzberg. "He said his entire life changed that evening, because he realized the United States government was operating illegally. ... He defamed everybody in our unit by claiming he had been illegally ordered there."

O'Neill said some of Kerry's 50 references to spending Christmas '68 in Cambodia include speeches on the Senate floor, quotes in articles and on-the-record interviews with reporters.

He cited a 1992 Associated Press report and a July 7, 2004, account by the Boston Globe's Michael Kranish.

"We were told, 'Just go up there and do your patrol,'" Kerry said in the 12-year-old AP interview. "Everybody was over there [in Cambodia]. Nobody thought twice about it."

In July 2004, reporter Kranish said that Kerry had told him his assignment in Cambodia was the catalyst that turned him against the war:

"[Kerry] himself would say that you really have to look at a lot of his thought process as what was happening during Vietnam," he told the Fox News Channel.

"And in one short anecdote I'll tell you, that in Christmas of 1968, he was on a small boat with his men, basically in Cambodia at a time when Richard Nixon was telling the American public that we're not in Cambodia," Kranish said. [Editor's note: Richard Nixon was not sworn in as president until Jan. 20, 1969.]

"And he basically became skeptical. Well, the government is saying this, but he knew himself that wasn't true. And it's also why he says he came back to protest the war that he had served in."


http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/8/15/134301.shtml

You quote John Stewart, I quote Newsmax. Both partisan jokes.

A true thing of beauty. (http://www.comedycentral.com/mp/play.php?reposid=/multimedia/tds/headlines/9016.html) Why can't our press corps do this quality of work?

Really, I thought this one was even better ;)

Must See TV!!! (http://www.comedycentral.com/mp/play.php?reposid=/multimedia/tds/celeb/celeb_9016.html)

i can explain where he got nixon from, unless he named him in 1971, in which case it becomes highly ironic and even suspicious. in 1971, 8 months after kerry's statement in april, Nixon gave the exact statement "There are no troops in Cambodia"

also, that is a biography, not an AUTObiography, a biography is a life story done by some one thats not yourself, an autobiography is a life story written by yourself, if it is not in a BIOGRAPHY there are an extra host of reasons why that may not have been included IF it even came up

And yet Kerry doesn't have an AUTObiography anywhere or I would've seen it by now.

Its not in his journal! Brinkly looked at the Journal.

Jebus, I just posted an article in which the biographer says that it is in his journals, which he read, at the time. Yes, Brinkley didn't include it in the biography - I can't think of why he didn't ask your opinion of what should, and what shouldn't be included in Kerry's biography. The nerve!

You just ignored the fact that Swift Boats where not and never was allowed into Cambodia.

That's because it's an allegation, not a fact. What's the source for this fact - claims made by the Swift Boat vets? Considering that even after the US went into Cambodia - with bombing that killed a million people, and destablized the country before the advent of the Khmer Rouge - we were denying it.

In Daniel Ellsberg's book, he writes about the fact that two sets of target coordinates were given, so that even Congress thought we were bombing South Vietnam and not Cambodia.

Since when did John Stewart become a partisan? I believe he bashes both sides pretty much.

Source? Let me guess--swiftvets.com? Give me a break.

Two can play at this game, FOB.

Speaking of the Swift Boat Vets for Bush, anyone see the smackdown Jon Stewart laid down on them last week? A true thing of beauty. (http://www.comedycentral.com/mp/play.php?reposid=/multimedia/tds/headlines/9016.html) Why can't our press corps do this quality of work?
By the way, we have already established that you know nothing of the military, or the structure of the military. However, since no one on the right here has had the fortune of marking student on their tax forms for the last twenty years like you, I bow to your overwhelming ignorance of all things military.

And yet Kerry doesn't have an AUTObiography anywhere or I would've seen it by now.
BINGO YOU GET ONE, exactly one, POINT

John "Nixon wasn't crooked enough for my tastes" O'Neill--I'll put Stewart up against O'Neill any day of the week, and spot you two tons of bullshit.

Kerry Made False Cambodia Claim 50 Times

About Bush's trifecta claim...

http://www.spinsanity.org/post.html?2002_06_16_archive.html

And on top of all that, Domenech dismisses the fact that no one can find evidence of the Chicago campaign statement. But Bush has said at least seven times that he made this statement in Chicago (October 3, March 27, March 28, April 30, May 14, May 20 and June 14). Any partially exculpatory statements made at other times (if they exist) do not get the President off the hook, and the vague memories that Domenech cites do not count as evidence. If Bush said this, why hasn't the White House produced evidence of it despite repeated requests?

Even if everything the swift boat vets say about christmas in cambodia is true, it's not a reason to vote for Bush over Kerry.

ok this debate has gotten out of hand. I suggest that this line of arguement end so we can argue about something else like Bush getting re-elected, which he will!

By the way, we have already established that you know nothing of the military, or the structure of the military. However, since no one on the right here has had the fortune of marking student on their tax forms for the last twenty years like you, I bow to your overwhelming ignorance of all things military.

Stop trolling. NOW!

Stephanie
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Stop trolling. NOW!

Stephanie
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Dives into her troll shelter!

Head for the shelter jack this is going to get worse

troll alarms go off everywhere

Stop trolling. NOW!

Stephanie
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That is not trolling. Stop using your powers as a moderator to protect those who side with you.

By the way, we have already established that you know nothing of the military, or the structure of the military. However, since no one on the right here has had the fortune of marking student on their tax forms for the last twenty years like you, I bow to your overwhelming ignorance of all things military.Actually--I do have some knowledge of the military, although that's utterly irrelevant to this particular discussion. And for your information, I've worked my way through college for the last 10 years--held jobs, averaged 30+ hours a week at work and studied and raised a daughter. My parents are even more broke than I am, so I couldn't get anything from them. You want to come at me with biography? Bring it, you little shit. I've busted my ass for everything I've ever earned, and you can't touch that.

Sorry Steph--I replied before I saw your comment. I'll back out of the thread now in order to de-escalate the situation.

That is not trolling. Stop using your powers as a moderator to protect those who side with you.

Oh trust me FoB, if I was doing any such thing you would of been gone a long time ago. You're rude, you're mean, you're bitter and you troll. If you get yourself deleted it won't be on any one but you.

Actually--I do have some knowledge of the military, although that's utterly irrelevant to this particular discussion. And for your information, I've worked my way through college for the last 10 years--held jobs, averaged 30+ hours a week at work and studied and raised a daughter. My parents are even more broke than I am, so I couldn't get anything from them. You want to come at me with biography? Bring it, you little shit. I've busted my ass for everything I've ever earned, and you can't touch that.Lets see, ten years in the military, earned two degrees while working 60 hours a week, two deployments oversees for peacekeeping duties, and am supporting my wife (former Arabic translator) and my twin sons and another on the way on about 35 thousand a year. Injured several times while in hostile zones, and still get up every day at 400 in the morning to serve the country I love, coward. Call me alittle shit again, coward.

Oh trust me FoB, if I was doing any such thing you would of been gone a long time ago. You're rude, you're mean, you're bitter and you troll. If you get yourself deleted it won't be on any one but you.
I am only mean when attacked by the people here. You attack someone and in the same thread invoke your mod powers.

Call me alittle shit again, coward.

I'm telling you again.. stop it. Enough, just walk away, come back when you've cooled down. You keep it up and you can't say I'm not giving you a chance to just walk away. Take my advice.

Stephanie
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I am only mean when attacked by the people here. You attack someone and in the same thread invoke your mod powers.

FoB don't push it. I think your about to go to far.

"The chief spokesman for the Swiftboat vets, John O'Neill, did not even serve at the same time as Kerry in Viet Nam. He was picked by Nixon as a shill back in the 60's and appeared in a "debate" against young Kerry on the Dick Cavett Show. This is pathetic slander, akin to what was done to Max Cleland in Georgia by Republican operatives. I am sick of this dirty politics."

http://congress.org/congressorg/bio/userletter/?id=595&letter_id=104435191


of course that sounds fishy just being a letter, but here's uyour proof from a right wing atricle

http://www.nationalreview.com/rose/rose200404211228.asp

"After a year on the Woodpecker, O'Neill transferred to the Swift boats in the spring of 1969, serving on them until the summer of 1970. His boat was fired on many times as it patrolled the Cambodian border, as well as the Uminh and Namcan forests in southern Vietnam. In the Swifts, says O'Neill, the average length of service was twelve months; John Kerry was in for four"


he transferred to swift boat in early 1969 (so not long after there were supposedly no one near cambodia), approximately the same time, if not after, kerry left vietnam.

"O'Neill wrote to Kessler, who got him involved in a Washington press conference. "We were convinced," says O'Neill, that "Kerry's charges were false." 60 Minutes and NBC both offered time for a debate — Kerry vs. O'Neill — but the former repeatedly balked. And then, miraculously, Kerry accepted an invitation from Dick Cavett to go head-to-head with O'Neill.

By this time, O'Neill had been star-spotted by President Nixon, and he met the president at the White House. (The sunny atmosphere turned a little frostier when O'Neill confided that he'd voted for Hubert Humphrey in '68: "The people all around me were shocked" when he told Nixon he was a Democrat.) He was also introduced to several Democratic congressmen and senators who didn't like Kerry's slanderous grandstanding"


ohh look, i found proof that the swift boats against veteran thing is a political maneuver

"He hasn't been politically involved since those heady days of the '70s. From 1972 onward, whenever people ran against Kerry, they asked O'Neill to spill some more beans, but he always declined — "because I believed in forgetting the thing." "

"What O'Neill found particularly unsettling was that here was "a guy who believed everything we did in Vietnam was a crime" but who was now "campaigning on his record and claiming to be a war hero." In short, "the only reason I'm getting involved now is because he's running for commander-in-chief of the United States." "


look i prove he is an attack dog for the republicans, swift boat vets against kerry is an attack dog group for the republicans and the release of this commercial is more politically motivated than factually motivated all in 1 post with only 2 sites in my bibliography, you all lose, i want a sticker

I'm telling you again.. stop it. Enough, just walk away, come back when you've cooled down. You keep it up and you can't say I'm not giving you a chance to just walk away. Take my advice.

Stephanie
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Where is the warning for the insult of calling me a little shit? Oh, yeah, thats right...

Well the border is pretty big and people do cross into the USA Illegally through that border. I still say put the troops there but alas, the ACLU and other groups won't allow it.

pretty big is an understatement. I myself have never been to a US border but I have driven across my home state of PA. that took a few hours. (4 if i remember right). there is no way to protect both borders. one border is too much to protect. I myself am more worried about the ports/rail system of america. if you take out louisiana and chicago you cut the country in half and lose 60% of shipping industry. why those cities? chicago is a hub for railroads and as far as louisiana goes you gotta go through there to get out of the mississippi. id make a good terrorist because I think about things like that.

Oh, as for having nothing to hit, research Formal, research! We have nuclear power plants, we have oil, lots and lots of oil. We aren't your largest trading partner in the world for nothing, or did you think you were only importing hockey sticks *LOL*

you sure about the oil thing? I thought our largest oil import came from a country in south america? we also buy more lumber from you guys then anywhere else as well, and hockey players too :)

pretty big is an understatement. I myself have never been to a US border but I have driven across my home state of PA. that took a few hours. (4 if i remember right). there is no way to protect both borders. one border is too much to protect. I myself am more worried about the ports/rail system of america. if you take out louisiana and chicago you cut the country in half and lose 60% of shipping industry. why those cities? chicago is a hub for railroads and as far as louisiana goes you gotta go through there to get out of the mississippi. id make a good terrorist because I think about things like that.

Four? It takes me 8! Of course, we do the speed limit! LOL

As I said, Stupidity!

id call it civil war after too many wars. they started getting half assed "barbarian" troops to join the legion. although they were allowed in the legion before to gain citizenship. but near the end the force of rome were the people they conquered. and the civil wars were led by generals trying for emporer. there was a time (I forget the era) but the emporers would rule for no more then a few months until they were killed in a coup. and then the caesers that ruled were idiots. there are stories of one emporer disolving pearls and gold dust in his wine before he drank it and he led such a glamourous life style it nearly brought down rome to the brink of collapse. so it all goes back to what steph said, greed, gluttony, decadense (sp?).

Lets see, ten years in the military, earned two degrees while working 60 hours a week, two deployments oversees for peacekeeping duties, and am supporting my wife (former Arabic translator) and my twin sons and another on the way on about 35 thousand a year. Injured several times while in hostile zones, and still get up every day at 400 in the morning to serve the country I love, coward. Call me alittle shit again, coward.

now im gonna be a troll/flamer i dont know what you call it. no need to warn me i know its comming. but ive read alot of threads on this forum. and it seems EVERYONE has been involved in the military when thier military knowledge is questioned. It makes me wonder. ive never heard 400, only 0400.

Four? It takes me 8! Of course, we do the speed limit! LOL

maybe, i was real little when we did it memories a little vauge. but my dad has always had a lead foot. farthest west i have ever traveled was PSU main campus, (3 hours from philly and PSU is in the very middle of the state).

now im gonna be a troll/flamer i dont know what you call it. no need to warn me i know its comming. but ive read alot of threads on this forum. and it seems EVERYONE has been involved in the military when thier military knowledge is questioned. It makes me wonder. ive never heard 400, only 0400.

I've heard Four hundred hours and 0400! Depends on 1)where you at and 2)the person!

you sure about the oil thing? I thought our largest oil import came from a country in south america?

Yeah, I'm very sure :)

Click For Oil (http://www.eia.doe.gov/neic/rankings/crudebycountry.htm)

Canada also has the largest oil reserve in the world

Largest Oil Reserve In The World (http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2003/4/20/201246/566)

Yeah, I'm very sure :)

Click For Oil (http://www.eia.doe.gov/neic/rankings/crudebycountry.htm)

NO CLICKS FOR OIL :p :D

ah venezuala, thats the country. it was on the tip of my tounge, or keyboard in this case. yea you might as well be called #1. they are all around 1500 barrells.

Canada also has the largest oil reserve in the world

Largest Oil Reserve In The World (http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2003/4/20/201246/566) :)

thats just one spot. ill have to google it but im 99% sure that russia has the most untapped oil. i know the US is up there too because we have alaska (which we bought from the russians:) ) o yea if you dont notice already oil isnt my main intrest in the world. i just know the jist of whats going on in that feild.

Yeah, I'm very sure :)

Click For Oil (http://www.eia.doe.gov/neic/rankings/crudebycountry.htm)

Canada also has the largest oil reserve in the world

Largest Oil Reserve In The World (http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2003/4/20/201246/566)
That's it-your ass is soooo invaded....

Did you think you could get away with that many french speakers?

I'm putting Freedom Bacon on my pizza now....



don't kill me.....

That's it-your ass is soooo invaded....

Did you think you could get away with that many french speakers?

I'm putting Freedom Bacon on my pizza now....



don't kill me.....

Hehe :D

See, this is a typical example of your bias and blindness. Why do you mention LBJ and not Nixon?

But back to your original point, yes, I think any president needs to be investigated, and his defense department, and the intelligence agencies whenever a war is engaged in. Republican or Democrat, they need to be held ultimately accountable for what goes on. I would also say that FDR and the intelligence and Defense department of the time should have been investigated, or at least investigated more, during WWII.

See, I'm all for transparency and accountability in government, no matter who governs. I'm all for checks and balances, because too much power concentrated into a small group leads inevitably to catastrophe.

The sad thing is that this current administration encourages mud slinging in political discourse, but actively, aggressively and heavy-handedly represses critical voices raised against them. They cry secrecy when it comes to energy task forces, but reveal double agents who have infiltrated Al Qaeda. They conceal Bush's own military records (or "lose" them for a time,) while their neo-con surrogates make up lies about Kerry's service. They depict a triple-amputee Vietnam Vet as being analogous to Bin Laden, and cry foul when a longtime blue-working comedienne makes the obvious comparison between Bush and genitalia.
It's a world where Theresa Heinz saying "shove it!" to a weasally right-wing reporter is worse than Cheney saying "go F-__ yourself!" to a congressman in a venue where such language is not allowed!
It's a world where Kerry protesting the Viet Nam War emboldens the enemy more than Cowboy Bush saying "bring it on!"
It's a world where an Iraq suddenly flooded with insurrectionists, foreign fighters and terrorist groups is less of a global threat than a local (albeit truly ruthless and evil,) secular bully dictator.
It's a world where the undocumented and after-the-fact words of a clearly partisan group carries more weight than actual military records and the testimony of the men who actually were Kerry's crew.
And yet, when people say that they do not recollect Bush ever showing up for duty in Alabama, not ONE person says they served with him there, and the military records show he was grounded, did not show up for a physical (something that usually calls for an investigation and disciplinary action,) and wasted millions of dollars of taxpayers money in unused training, this is all unfounded specualtion and rumor.
To paraphrase Kerry himself, it's a world where we're paying to open police stations and firehouses in Iraq, and closing them here in America.

Do you see the cognitive disconnect yet? Do you see the pervasive hypocrisy? Can you break out of your dogmatic shell just a little to see the absurdity of it all?

9 pages later and I have seen no response, except one excuse that there simply weren't any posters to respond.

That's it-your ass is soooo invaded....

Did you think you could get away with that many french speakers?

I'm putting Freedom Bacon on my pizza now....



don't kill me.....

Down with William Shatner, Martin Short, Mike Meyers and most especially, that most evil of blackguards, Alan Thicke!

I hate Canada and their relatively low crime rates and funny sketch comedy groups. There's something evil and sinister about hockey, and curling is clearly a communist game.

I don't trust anyone who mispronounces the word "about." Though, of course, the word "nuke-you-lar" is perfectly acceptible.

Now, as a stereotypical Californian, I'm off to eat my all avocado and tofu dinner while I simultaneously surf, talk on my cell phone, hug trees and indulge in gay marriage, even though I am straight.

[end sarcasm]

Where is the warning for the insult of calling me a little shit? Oh, yeah, thats right...
Nothing, huh? Whatever, just goes to show...

Where is the warning for the insult of calling me a little shit? Oh, yeah, thats right...Go back and read my post to Stephistan--I posted to you while she was posting the warning, and subsequently walked away from the thread to keep it from escalating. I got the general warning and backed off. If you weren't so busy finding ways to be persecuted, you might have realized that and backed off yourself.

Now, as a stereotypical Californian, I'm off to eat my all avocado and tofu dinner while I simultaneously surf, talk on my cell phone, hug trees and indulge in gay marriage, even though I am straight.

[end sarcasm]


Oh c'mon - you can't possibly do all that on one day! Not with the traffic....

Go back and read my post to Stephistan--I posted to you while she was posting the warning, and subsequently walked away from the thread to keep it from escalating. I got the general warning and backed off. If you weren't so busy finding ways to be persecuted, you might have realized that and backed off yourself.
Whatever, man, We all see what is going on.

Incertonia - thank you for taking the cue and leaving the topic alone this afternoon..

Please don't call FoB a shit head or shit or little shit.. or whatever it was.okay?

Thanks!

I promise to keep the insults to a minimum Stephistan.

Kerry won 3 purple hearts and he claims that will help him win....so since I have 1 does that mean I can run and win?


NOTE: I hate both people running for President so don't go saying I support anyone.

Kerry won 3 purple hearts and he claims that will help him win....so since I have 1 does that mean I can run and win?


NOTE: I hate both people running for President so don't go saying I support anyone.
Sure man, you are just as qualified as kerry. Hell, your senate record is probably just as substantial as kerry's.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Incertonia
A true thing of beauty. Why can't our press corps do this quality of work?

http://www.comedycentral.com/mp/play.php?reposid=/multimedia/tds/headlines/9016.html

Why that is a thing of beauty Incertonia. Thanks for posting it.

Sure man, you are just as qualified as kerry. Hell, your senate record is probably just as substantial as kerry's.


I'm only 28, to young or I would kick ass in this year election. Bring back the old US!!!

I'm only 28, to young or I would kick ass in this year election. Bring back the old US!!!
I think the old USA died when JFK was assasinated? That would be before you were born though.

I don't know ChanuckHeaven. SOmething like that can be speculated but I don't know. You could be right.