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I don't know if anybody posted this yet, because the Europeans are out in the streets celebrating and the Americans don't give a damn. But today 10 Eastern European nations have joined the European Union, boosting membership to 25 nations and becoming the largest trading bloc in the world. BEWARE, THE NEW WORLD, BECAUSE THE OLD WORLD IS MAKING A COMEBACK, AND WILL STORM THE WORLD WITH FORCE! HAHAHAHAHA! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

DB, come on. It was just one kilogram.

All right, more EU nations!

I don't know if anybody posted this yet, because the Europeans are out in the streets celebrating and the Americans don't give a damn. But today 10 Eastern European nations have joined the European Union, boosting membership to 25 nations and becoming the largest trading bloc in the world. BEWARE, THE NEW WORLD, BECAUSE THE OLD WORLD IS MAKING A COMEBACK, AND WILL STORM THE WORLD WITH FORCE! HAHAHAHAHA! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Why should the U.S. care? We already trade with all of Europe anyway?

Was Cyprus one of them? All I know is that I want to move to Cyprus, and currently, I'd like to move to the EU side, which would be Greece.

Was Cyprus one of them? All I know is that I want to move to Cyprus, and currently, I'd like to move to the EU side, which would be Greece.

Cyprus was one of them.

Why should the U.S. care? We already trade with all of Europe anyway?

The largest trading bloc, with more say in the WTO and a common external tariff. The demand for American goods have now decreased because cheaper labour and technology transfer in Eastern European countries will eventually flood the European markets with cheap goods. Who needs America then?

You convinced me, mate.

*packs bags and moves to Britian*

Well, North America and Japan will still trade with America, probably also Africa, Asia, Middle East, South America, Pacific Island Countries, etc. But I hope to move to Europe when I can figure out how to pull it off, so until then, I'll just wait here in the corn fields in Iowa.

I don't know if anybody posted this yet, because the Europeans are out in the streets celebrating and the Americans don't give a damn. But today 10 Eastern European nations have joined the European Union, boosting membership to 25 nations and becoming the largest trading bloc in the world. BEWARE, THE NEW WORLD, BECAUSE THE OLD WORLD IS MAKING A COMEBACK, AND WILL STORM THE WORLD WITH FORCE! HAHAHAHAHA! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Why should the U.S. care? We already trade with all of Europe anyway?

You mean "we already own all of Europe...", right?

Good for Europe. The only bad thing is that now more pocketbooks can be used to pay for things like the CAP.

Who are the current nations in the EU?

Wow! Ten in one day? That's impressive! Congrats Europe!

Maybe, instead of the new EU using its political power to stoop to the level of America and bully other nations around, they should seek to rise above such contemptuous immaturity and strive to make the world a better place?

BEWARE, THE NEW WORLD, BECAUSE THE OLD WORLD IS MAKING A COMEBACK, AND WILL STORM THE WORLD WITH FORCE! HAHAHAHAHA! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

uh... right. not sure comeback is the word id use for it. and im thinking that the whole "storming the world" bit is a load o' hoowy

Was Cyprus one of them? All I know is that I want to move to Cyprus, and currently, I'd like to move to the EU side, which would be Greece.

I believe Turkey joined and that means all of Cyprus is EU

Was Cyprus one of them? All I know is that I want to move to Cyprus, and currently, I'd like to move to the EU side, which would be Greece.

I believe Turkey joined and that means all of Cyprus is EU

Really! Oh thank goodness, if that's true they will be closer to uniting, or at least putting apart their differences! :D

Was Cyprus one of them? All I know is that I want to move to Cyprus, and currently, I'd like to move to the EU side, which would be Greece.

I believe Turkey joined and that means all of Cyprus is EU

Really! Oh thank goodness, if that's true they will be closer to uniting, or at least putting apart their differences! :D The only problem with this theory is that Turkey didn't join. :P

BEWARE, THE NEW WORLD, BECAUSE THE OLD WORLD IS MAKING A COMEBACK, AND WILL STORM THE WORLD WITH FORCE! HAHAHAHAHA! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

uh... right. not sure comeback is the word id use for it. and im thinking that the whole "storming the world" bit is a load o' hoowy
Oh, you've got to give it time to get up and running. Mind you, this is the largest European empire ever since the Romans.

Wow. Since the Romans. Interesting.

I just wish Turkish Cyprus would join the UN, it'd make me A LOT happier! :cry: to :( to :? to :roll: to :) to :wink: to :D to :P

Wow. Since the Romans. Interesting.

I just wish Turkish Cyprus would join the UN, it'd make me A LOT happier! :cry: to :( to :? to :roll: to :) to :wink: to :D to :P

Hahahaha. I hope that Turkey and Britain would both get the hell outta Cyprus and let things work out on their own.

BEWARE, THE NEW WORLD, BECAUSE THE OLD WORLD IS MAKING A COMEBACK, AND WILL STORM THE WORLD WITH FORCE! HAHAHAHAHA! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

uh... right. not sure comeback is the word id use for it. and im thinking that the whole "storming the world" bit is a load o' hoowy
Oh, you've got to give it time to get up and running. Mind you, this is the largest European empire ever since the Romans.

Actually, isn't it larger?

BEWARE, THE NEW WORLD, BECAUSE THE OLD WORLD IS MAKING A COMEBACK, AND WILL STORM THE WORLD WITH FORCE! HAHAHAHAHA! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

uh... right. not sure comeback is the word id use for it. and im thinking that the whole "storming the world" bit is a load o' hoowy
Oh, you've got to give it time to get up and running. Mind you, this is the largest European empire ever since the Romans.

Actually, isn't it larger?
You're right. It must be larger.

Isn't it a marvel? For 2000 years Europe has been fighting with each other (ever since the Roman Empire fell). I think it is about time they stopped fighting and stood up to American imperialism.

BEWARE, THE NEW WORLD, BECAUSE THE OLD WORLD IS MAKING A COMEBACK, AND WILL STORM THE WORLD WITH FORCE! HAHAHAHAHA! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

uh... right. not sure comeback is the word id use for it. and im thinking that the whole "storming the world" bit is a load o' hoowy
Oh, you've got to give it time to get up and running. Mind you, this is the largest European empire ever since the Romans.

Actually, isn't it larger?
You're right. It must be larger.

Isn't it a marvel? For 2000 years Europe has been fighting with each other (ever since the Roman Empire fell). I think it is about time they stopped fighting and stood up to American imperialism.

Although, it is smaller than the amount of territory Germany controlled at its height during WWII.

Maybe, instead of the new EU using its political power to stoop to the level of America and bully other nations around, they should seek to rise above such contemptuous immaturity and strive to make the world a better place?
I'm sorry to intrude on your EU lovefest but how about some reality...

How would the EU make the world a better place by not toppling dictators?
Maybe the Brits, Aussies, Canadians, and Americans should have just left you Europeans to your own tasks during World War 2. Since y'all were so happy being decimated by the Nazi's and their ilk.

Supporting the UN Oil For Food scandal, that even Kofi Annan's SON was in on? How about if we bribe Kim Jong Ill, of North Korea, how about Iran, Sudan, China...

Yes, that's much easier and more "mature" than actually dealing with the problem and freeing millions of people. All of those "mature" EUrocrats just turn their head away as millions of Jews, Muslims, Cubans, Chinese and others are led to the slaughterhouse.

I must go, because I have work to do tomorrow, if anyone would like to debate me on this, please email me or NationStates telegraph me. insanehippie@yahoo.com

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Defender of the painful truth.

How would the EU make the world a better place by not toppling dictators?
Pfft. It's not like we have to. You like it so much, you do it yourself. :roll:

How would the EU make the world a better place by not toppling dictators?
Pfft. It's not like we have to. You like it so much, you do it yourself. :roll:

I didn't realize that the EU was a love fest. What are you crazy Europeans doing over there?

BEWARE, THE NEW WORLD, BECAUSE THE OLD WORLD IS MAKING A COMEBACK, AND WILL STORM THE WORLD WITH FORCE! HAHAHAHAHA! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

uh... right. not sure comeback is the word id use for it. and im thinking that the whole "storming the world" bit is a load o' hoowy
Oh, you've got to give it time to get up and running. Mind you, this is the largest European empire ever since the Romans.

Actually, isn't it larger?
You're right. It must be larger.

Isn't it a marvel? For 2000 years Europe has been fighting with each other (ever since the Roman Empire fell). I think it is about time they stopped fighting and stood up to American imperialism.

Although, it is smaller than the amount of territory Germany controlled at its height during WWII. I'm counting peaceful, constructive empires only. Nobody gives a damn about the Third Reich.

I'm counting peaceful, constructive empires only. Nobody gives a damn about the Third Reich.

I think a few people give a damn about the Third Reich.

How would the EU make the world a better place by not toppling dictators?
Pfft. It's not like we have to. You like it so much, you do it yourself. :roll:

I don't see the "enlightened" French, German and Russians helping out... Oh right, they were getting Oil For Food vouchers from Saddam... ::smacks forehead::

The Brits needed help defeating Nazism, and the French liked having German generals order them around too much.

Learn some history. If it wasn't for the Brits, Aussies, Canadians, and Americans there wouldn't be an EU, but there'd be a United Fatherland of Germany.

Your economies in Europe are screwed because of your massive socialism compared to capitialism in America and somewhat in the UK.

The EU economic-wise is the best thing to protect Europe from itself in ages.

How would the EU make the world a better place by not toppling dictators?
Pfft. It's not like we have to. You like it so much, you do it yourself. :roll:

I don't see the "enlightened" French, German and Russians helping out... Oh right, they were getting Oil For Food vouchers from Saddam... ::smacks forehead::

The Brits needed help defeating Nazism, and the French liked having German generals order them around too much.

Learn some history. If it wasn't for the Brits, Aussies, Canadians, and Americans there wouldn't be an EU, but there'd be a United Fatherland of Germany.

Your economies in Europe are screwed because of your massive socialism compared to capitialism in America and somewhat in the UK.

The EU economic-wise is the best thing to protect Europe from itself in ages.

Didn't you have to go to work or something?

Let us now all have a quiet patriotic moment . . .

http://drcwww.kub.nl/dbi/instructie/eu/en/images/flag.jpg

http://www.reykjavikresources.com/upload/files/x-hh-i-alþjóðleg%20samvinna%20EU%20flag.jpg

http://www.europarl.eu.int/presentation/worldcup/pictures/zoom1.jpg

:D

Fabulous.

Let us now all have a quiet patriotic moment . . .

http://drcwww.kub.nl/dbi/instructie/eu/en/images/flag.jpg

http://www.reykjavikresources.com/upload/files/x-hh-i-alþjóðleg%20samvinna%20EU%20flag.jpg

http://www.europarl.eu.int/presentation/worldcup/pictures/zoom1.jpg

:D

Bravo Tactical Grace, Bravo! Very good time for a patriotic moment.

Learn some history. If it wasn't for the Brits, Aussies, Canadians, and Americans there wouldn't be an EU, but there'd be a United Fatherland of Germany.
I have. It would be a Soviet Union, not a Nazi Germany. :roll:

That's an impressive looking building. EU HQ?

That's an impressive looking building. EU HQ?
The European Parliament in Strasbourg. Beautiful building. Even more impressive in life. :D

That's an impressive looking building. EU HQ?
The European Parliament in Strasbourg. Beautiful building. Even more impressive in life. :D

I think the landscape does the trick. It just rises out of the water. It would probably be less impressive away from that river.

Yes, that's much easier and more "mature" than actually dealing with the problem and freeing millions of people.

If the objective of US foreign policy was to 'topple dictators' and 'free millions of people', then this argument might be worth something.

Due to the fact that the US hasn't touched the likes of Mugabe (probably because he doesn't have any oil), and has no apparent intention of doing so, the invasion of countries such as Iraq, as noble as it may seem when viewed through the mesh of propaganda, occurred solely to further the petty interests of the US, and the liberation of the Iraqi people was just a convenient side-effect.

The US doesn't give a crap about freeing people, any more than any other country does.

I think the landscape does the trick. It just rises out of the water. It would probably be less impressive away from that river.
True. It could so easily have been another giant glass edifice in the centre of some city, surrounded by all sort of crap. But on a sunny day, it is a real idyll.

Yes, that's much easier and more "mature" than actually dealing with the problem and freeing millions of people.

If the objective of US foreign policy was to 'topple dictators' and 'free millions of people', then this argument might be worth something.

Due to the fact that the US hasn't touched the likes of Mugabe (probably because he doesn't have any oil), and has no apparent intention of doing so, the invasion of countries such as Iraq, as noble as it may seem when viewed through the mesh of propaganda, occurred solely to further the petty interests of the US, and the liberation of the Iraqi people was just a convenient side-effect.

The US doesn't give a crap about freeing people, any more than any other country does.

Just a little note I read in my small midwestern newspaper. It was something about a successful democracy led by the UN might spread to other Arab countries and make the area a bit less hostile.

The US doesn't give a crap about freeing people, any more than any other country does.
True. People only have to look at South America to see that. But Americans like to forget that continent. It's a bit of an embarassment.

I think the landscape does the trick. It just rises out of the water. It would probably be less impressive away from that river.
True. It could so easily have been another giant glass edifice in the centre of some city, surrounded by all sort of crap. But on a sunny day, it is a real idyll.

Yeah. The contours really make it look like it's an extension of the water around it. Very good architecture and landscaping.

Yeah. The contours really make it look like it's an extension of the water around it. Very good architecture and landscaping.
Oh yes. I saw it on a cloudless July day just like in the picture. It seems to have been built to give the impression of a wave rising out of the water. The effect works well.

Once I finish my Masters of Teaching, I'm going to move over to England and get an English passport (after 8 years of course). The the world will be mine! :twisted:

Yeah. The contours really make it look like it's an extension of the water around it. Very good architecture and landscaping.
Oh yes. I saw it on a cloudless July day just like in the picture. It seems to have been built to give the impression of a wave rising out of the water. The effect works well.

Strasbourg, you say? Is there anything else of interest in Strasbourg? I might have to include it in my trip to Europe.

Strasbourg, you say? Is there anything else of interest in Strasbourg? I might have to include it in my trip to Europe.
Hmm. Well, it's a nice-looking town and there's a bit near the YHA place where you can walk across a bridge straight into Germany. And um, that's about it. I just walked around at random.

Strasbourg, you say? Is there anything else of interest in Strasbourg? I might have to include it in my trip to Europe.
Hmm. Well, it's a nice-looking town and there's a bit near the YHA place where you can walk across a bridge straight into Germany. And um, that's about it. I just walked around at random.

Hmm...darn. It'd be an awful lot of money to go all the way there just to see the one building.

Hmm...darn. It'd be an awful lot of money to go all the way there just to see the one building.
Well, it depends how long you're there for. If you are going to be Inter-Railing for 3-4 weeks, it's worth stopping over for a night, since it is a hub for a few destinations anyway and can be worked into a route pretty easily.

Hmm...darn. It'd be an awful lot of money to go all the way there just to see the one building.
Well, it depends how long you're there for. If you are going to be Inter-Railing for 3-4 weeks, it's worth stopping over for a night, since it is a hub for a few destinations anyway and can be worked into a route pretty easily.

Well I'm going to Italy and N. Africa, as well as southern France and hopefully Spain.

Well I'm going to Italy and N. Africa, as well as southern France and hopefully Spain.
Hmm, Strasbourg would be pretty far to the north of all that, then. :?

Well I'm going to Italy and N. Africa, as well as southern France and hopefully Spain.
Hmm, Strasbourg would be pretty far to the north of all that, then. :?

Indeed. And quite the travel expense.

Indeed. And quite the travel expense.
Oh well. Have fun in Southern Europe / North Africa, then. :)

Indeed. And quite the travel expense.
Oh well. Have fun in Southern Europe / North Africa, then. :)

I shall.

Why should the U.S. care? We already trade with all of Europe anyway?

The largest trading bloc, with more say in the WTO and a common external tariff. The demand for American goods have now decreased because cheaper labour and technology transfer in Eastern European countries will eventually flood the European markets with cheap goods. Who needs America then?


You are the reason why I HATE Europeans. I believe America should end the war on terror and focus on the EU, you guys are the TRUE threat to America and the world, I PROMISE you that the EU will plunge the world into WW3, this is bad, the EU will be the worst nation sense Nazi Germany, I am scared for the world.

Why should the U.S. care? We already trade with all of Europe anyway?

The largest trading bloc, with more say in the WTO and a common external tariff. The demand for American goods have now decreased because cheaper labour and technology transfer in Eastern European countries will eventually flood the European markets with cheap goods. Who needs America then?


You are the reason why I HATE Europeans. I believe America should end the war on terror and focus on the EU, you guys are the TRUE threat to America and the world, I PROMISE you that the EU will plunge the world into WW3, this is bad, the EU will be the worst nation sense Nazi Germany, I am scared for the world.

I do believe that he's Chinese.

Once I finish my Masters of Teaching, I'm going to move over to England and get an English passport (after 8 years of course). The the world will be mine! :twisted:



I would rather be dead then live in Europe, and I am ready to die to fight you!



DEATH TO THE EUROPEAN UNION

Why should the U.S. care? We already trade with all of Europe anyway?

The largest trading bloc, with more say in the WTO and a common external tariff. The demand for American goods have now decreased because cheaper labour and technology transfer in Eastern European countries will eventually flood the European markets with cheap goods. Who needs America then?


You are the reason why I HATE Europeans. I believe America should end the war on terror and focus on the EU, you guys are the TRUE threat to America and the world, I PROMISE you that the EU will plunge the world into WW3, this is bad, the EU will be the worst nation sense Nazi Germany, I am scared for the world.

I do believe that he's Chinese.


I am sorry for China then.

You are the reason why I HATE Europeans. I believe America should end the war on terror and focus on the EU, you guys are the TRUE threat to America and the world, I PROMISE you that the EU will plunge the world into WW3, this is bad, the EU will be the worst nation sense Nazi Germany, I am scared for the world.
Surely you speak in jest? Europe? Starting WW3? One day we may agree on what to do with the Common Agricultural Policy, but I can't see us ever agreeing to anything like that.

I would rather be dead then live in Europe, and I am ready to die to fight you!

DEATH TO THE EUROPEAN UNION
And I am ready to fight and die for the EU. Well, maybe not die. But if one is willing to fight, then death has a way of following. Anyway . . . nice to know everyone is sure of their position.

I would rather be dead then live in Europe

That's a relief.

You are the reason why I HATE Europeans. I believe America should end the war on terror and focus on the EU, you guys are the TRUE threat to America and the world, I PROMISE you that the EU will plunge the world into WW3, this is bad, the EU will be the worst nation sense Nazi Germany, I am scared for the world.
Surely you speak in jest? Europe? Starting WW3? One day we may agree on what to do with the Common Agricultural Policy, but I can't see us ever agreeing to anything like that.


Why not? You people started WW1 and WW2, why not WW3?

I would rather be dead then live in Europe

That's a relief.


Above is the reason why I hate Europeans.



Reason #576

Why not? You people started WW1 and WW2, why not WW3?

Because, foolish person, WW1 and WW2 were started between European countries. THe EU makes it less and less likely that this will happen again.

europe is boss; i havent been but my dad has and he loves it there (especially germany)

I would rather be dead then live in Europe

That's a relief.


Above is the reason why I hate Europeans.



Reason #576

Because they are wittier than you?

Why not? You people started WW1 and WW2, why not WW3?
Because back then, we ruled the world, but now we have retired and can't be bothered anymore, and America rules it. So chances are, America will do something really really stupid, and we will wake up going all "WTF is that noise?!" and it will be America starting WW3 because of some n00b cock-up.

Why not? You people started WW1 and WW2, why not WW3?

Because, foolish person, WW1 and WW2 were started between European countries. THe EU makes it less and less likely that this will happen again.



I see the EU has already brainwashed its people. Remember Hitler wanted World Domination, I suspect we will see the EU give us another Hitler.

Why not? You people started WW1 and WW2, why not WW3?
Because back then, we ruled the world, but now we have retired and can't be bothered anymore, and America rules it. So chances are, America will do something really really stupid, and we will wake up going all "WTF is that noise?!" and it will be America starting WW3 because of some n00b cock-up.


:roll:


Wake up, America will never do that.

Why not? You people started WW1 and WW2, why not WW3?

Because, foolish person, WW1 and WW2 were started between European countries. THe EU makes it less and less likely that this will happen again.

That is exactly right. In fact, WW1 started because of the assassination of a person, then one nation declared war on another, so it's ally joined to fight it, then another nation joined, and then Germany decided to invade Belgium to get to France, which made the UK join the war. And eventually the US got wound up in the whole thing!

Why not? You people started WW1 and WW2, why not WW3?

Because, foolish person, WW1 and WW2 were started between European countries. THe EU makes it less and less likely that this will happen again.



I see the EU has already brainwashed its people. Remember Hitler wanted World Domination, I suspect we will see the EU give us another Hitler.

lmao!

Yes, and the USA gave the world Rap music.... we suspect they will give us more.

Oh the humanity!

Why not? You people started WW1 and WW2, why not WW3?

Because, foolish person, WW1 and WW2 were started between European countries. THe EU makes it less and less likely that this will happen again.



I see the EU has already brainwashed its people. Remember Hitler wanted World Domination, I suspect we will see the EU give us another Hitler.

lmao!

Yes, and the USA gave the world Rap music.... we suspect they will give us more.

Oh the humanity!


The first step to allowing something bad to happen is thinking it won't.

BTW, Europeans seem to like Rap.

Why not? You people started WW1 and WW2, why not WW3?
Because back then, we ruled the world, but now we have retired and can't be bothered anymore, and America rules it. So chances are, America will do something really really stupid, and we will wake up going all "WTF is that noise?!" and it will be America starting WW3 because of some n00b cock-up.


:roll:


Wake up, America will never do that.

Yep... no nutbars in the US..... lol

Why not? You people started WW1 and WW2, why not WW3?
Because back then, we ruled the world, but now we have retired and can't be bothered anymore, and America rules it. So chances are, America will do something really really stupid, and we will wake up going all "WTF is that noise?!" and it will be America starting WW3 because of some n00b cock-up.


:roll:


Wake up, America will never do that.

Yep... no nutbars in the US..... lol


Thanks for the well written and thought out reply! :lol:

I see the EU has already brainwashed its people. Remember Hitler wanted World Domination, I suspect we will see the EU give us another Hitler.

Do any of these words go via your brain on the way out, or is it just a constant stream of xenophobic invective from your patriot gland?

Because back then, we ruled the world, but now we have retired and can't be bothered anymore, and America rules it. So chances are, America will do something really really stupid, and we will wake up going all "WTF is that noise?!" and it will be America starting WW3 because of some n00b cock-up.
:roll:

Wake up, America will never do that.
Why not? America regularly asserts its will through violence. One day, dropping just one small nuke somewhere will seem reasonable . . . after all, it is the only country on Earth to have done it in war before.

I see the EU has already brainwashed its people. Remember Hitler wanted World Domination, I suspect we will see the EU give us another Hitler.

Do any of these words go via your brain on the way out, or is it just a constant stream of xenophobic invective from your patriot gland?


Can't you idiots prove me wrong, or are you just going to continue with your flaming of me?

Why not? You people started WW1 and WW2, why not WW3?
Because back then, we ruled the world, but now we have retired and can't be bothered anymore, and America rules it. So chances are, America will do something really really stupid, and we will wake up going all "WTF is that noise?!" and it will be America starting WW3 because of some n00b cock-up.


:roll:


Wake up, America will never do that.

Yep... no nutbars in the US..... lol


Thanks for the well written and thought out reply! :lol:

Thought I'd stick with the level of the rest of the conversation....
8)

Because back then, we ruled the world, but now we have retired and can't be bothered anymore, and America rules it. So chances are, America will do something really really stupid, and we will wake up going all "WTF is that noise?!" and it will be America starting WW3 because of some n00b cock-up.
:roll:

Wake up, America will never do that.
Why not? America regularly asserts its will through violence. One day, dropping just one small nuke somewhere will seem reasonable . . . after all, it is the only country on Earth to have done it in war before.

The nukes are the thing that scares me about America. What's stopping them from killing us all? Besides the fact they'd have no allies or friends left in the world, what if they got sick of everyone they didn't need, and got, rid of us! :shock:

I see the EU has already brainwashed its people. Remember Hitler wanted World Domination, I suspect we will see the EU give us another Hitler.

Do any of these words go via your brain on the way out, or is it just a constant stream of xenophobic invective from your patriot gland?


Can't you idiots prove me wrong, or are you just going to continue with your flaming of me?

How do we prove you wrong that Europe won't produce another Hitler-type person? Prove to me that China won't invade the Philippines in the next 2,000 years.

Because back then, we ruled the world, but now we have retired and can't be bothered anymore, and America rules it. So chances are, America will do something really really stupid, and we will wake up going all "WTF is that noise?!" and it will be America starting WW3 because of some n00b cock-up.
:roll:

Wake up, America will never do that.
Why not? America regularly asserts its will through violence. One day, dropping just one small nuke somewhere will seem reasonable . . . after all, it is the only country on Earth to have done it in war before.


We nuked one country during a world war, that will not happen again unless we are forced! Our will is freedom, which is better the EU's will which is fuck the world.

Because back then, we ruled the world, but now we have retired and can't be bothered anymore, and America rules it. So chances are, America will do something really really stupid, and we will wake up going all "WTF is that noise?!" and it will be America starting WW3 because of some n00b cock-up.
:roll:

Wake up, America will never do that.
Why not? America regularly asserts its will through violence. One day, dropping just one small nuke somewhere will seem reasonable . . . after all, it is the only country on Earth to have done it in war before.

Hey now, we're peaceful folk. Those med students in Grenada needed us to invade!

Because back then, we ruled the world, but now we have retired and can't be bothered anymore, and America rules it. So chances are, America will do something really really stupid, and we will wake up going all "WTF is that noise?!" and it will be America starting WW3 because of some n00b cock-up.
:roll:

Wake up, America will never do that.
Why not? America regularly asserts its will through violence. One day, dropping just one small nuke somewhere will seem reasonable . . . after all, it is the only country on Earth to have done it in war before.

The nukes are the thing that scares me about America. What's stopping them from killing us all? Besides the fact they'd have no allies or friends left in the world, what if they got sick of everyone they didn't need, and got, rid of us! :shock:

Uh, we'd all die too.

Because back then, we ruled the world, but now we have retired and can't be bothered anymore, and America rules it. So chances are, America will do something really really stupid, and we will wake up going all "WTF is that noise?!" and it will be America starting WW3 because of some n00b cock-up.
:roll:

Wake up, America will never do that.
Why not? America regularly asserts its will through violence. One day, dropping just one small nuke somewhere will seem reasonable . . . after all, it is the only country on Earth to have done it in war before.

Hey now, we're peaceful folk. Those med students in Grenada needed us to invade!

We have had good intentions in most of our wars, its just that some didn't turn out so well.

I see the EU has already brainwashed its people. Remember Hitler wanted World Domination, I suspect we will see the EU give us another Hitler.

Do any of these words go via your brain on the way out, or is it just a constant stream of xenophobic invective from your patriot gland?


Can't you idiots prove me wrong, or are you just going to continue with your flaming of me?

Prove what wrong?

Prove in advance who will next frick up the world the most?

You first!

Can't you idiots prove me wrong, or are you just going to continue with your flaming of me?
Whoa! There we were discussing the beautifully landscaped grounds of the European Parliament building in Strasbourg, and you start saying that Europeans will become Nazis again and destroy the world. Tut-tut.

Can't you idiots prove me wrong, or are you just going to continue with your flaming of me?
Whoa! There we were discussing the beautifully landscaped grounds of the European Parliament building in Strasbourg, and you start saying that Europeans will become Nazis again and destroy the world. Tut-tut.

He also called all of us idiots in the same sentence that he accuses us of flaming him.

I see the EU has already brainwashed its people. Remember Hitler wanted World Domination, I suspect we will see the EU give us another Hitler.

Do any of these words go via your brain on the way out, or is it just a constant stream of xenophobic invective from your patriot gland?


Can't you idiots prove me wrong, or are you just going to continue with your flaming of me?

How do we prove you wrong that Europe won't produce another Hitler-type person? Prove to me that China won't invade the Philippines in the next 2,000 years.

That's true. We don't know what will happen in the future. For all we know some hippie president will be elected and break the US into 50 small countries! And China's big enough, what would be stopping it from invading. And another Hitler might be possible, but I'd hope we learned out lesson about descrimination the first time.

Because back then, we ruled the world, but now we have retired and can't be bothered anymore, and America rules it. So chances are, America will do something really really stupid, and we will wake up going all "WTF is that noise?!" and it will be America starting WW3 because of some n00b cock-up.
:roll:

Wake up, America will never do that.
Why not? America regularly asserts its will through violence. One day, dropping just one small nuke somewhere will seem reasonable . . . after all, it is the only country on Earth to have done it in war before.

The nukes are the thing that scares me about America. What's stopping them from killing us all? Besides the fact they'd have no allies or friends left in the world, what if they got sick of everyone they didn't need, and got, rid of us! :shock:

We don't use our nukes, and remember that Russia has more of them then we do. No allies or friends? LOL :roll:

Can't you idiots prove me wrong?

Enough said? I think so, how many warnings now Randy?

iDEAT

Stephanie
Game Moderator

We nuked one country during a world war, that will not happen again unless we are forced! Our will is freedom, which is better the EU's will which is f--- the world.

Yes, we can tell by your attitude towards anyone not american that it is clearly THEM with the problem.....


lmao

Because back then, we ruled the world, but now we have retired and can't be bothered anymore, and America rules it. So chances are, America will do something really really stupid, and we will wake up going all "WTF is that noise?!" and it will be America starting WW3 because of some n00b cock-up.
:roll:

Wake up, America will never do that.
Why not? America regularly asserts its will through violence. One day, dropping just one small nuke somewhere will seem reasonable . . . after all, it is the only country on Earth to have done it in war before.

The nukes are the thing that scares me about America. What's stopping them from killing us all? Besides the fact they'd have no allies or friends left in the world, what if they got sick of everyone they didn't need, and got, rid of us! :shock:

We don't use our nukes, and remember that Russia has more of them then we do. No allies or friends? LOL :roll:

Actually, as of a few years ago, the US has more than Russia. 1998 I believe.

Because back then, we ruled the world, but now we have retired and can't be bothered anymore, and America rules it. So chances are, America will do something really really stupid, and we will wake up going all "WTF is that noise?!" and it will be America starting WW3 because of some n00b cock-up.
:roll:

Wake up, America will never do that.
Why not? America regularly asserts its will through violence. One day, dropping just one small nuke somewhere will seem reasonable . . . after all, it is the only country on Earth to have done it in war before.

The nukes are the thing that scares me about America. What's stopping them from killing us all? Besides the fact they'd have no allies or friends left in the world, what if they got sick of everyone they didn't need, and got, rid of us! :shock:

We don't use our nukes, and remember that Russia has more of them then we do. No allies or friends? LOL :roll:

*ahem* didn't Russia just join NATO?

That would rather make them an ally wouldn;t it?

We nuked one country during a world war, that will not happen again unless we are forced! Our will is freedom, which is better the EU's will which is f--- the world.

Yes, we can tell by your attitude towards anyone not american that it is clearly THEM with the problem.....


lmao


You should look at YOUR attitudes towards Americans.

Actually, as of a few years ago, the US has more than Russia. 1998 I believe.
Let's not forget that most of Russia's nukes are clapped out early-1980s vehicles. At its peak, it had 20,000. Then less than 10,000. I seriously doubt it has more than 2,000 capable of immediate launch now, even if it claims 6,000 operational or whatever it is supposed to be these days.

Because back then, we ruled the world, but now we have retired and can't be bothered anymore, and America rules it. So chances are, America will do something really really stupid, and we will wake up going all "WTF is that noise?!" and it will be America starting WW3 because of some n00b cock-up.
:roll:

Wake up, America will never do that.
Why not? America regularly asserts its will through violence. One day, dropping just one small nuke somewhere will seem reasonable . . . after all, it is the only country on Earth to have done it in war before.

The nukes are the thing that scares me about America. What's stopping them from killing us all? Besides the fact they'd have no allies or friends left in the world, what if they got sick of everyone they didn't need, and got, rid of us! :shock:

We don't use our nukes, and remember that Russia has more of them then we do. No allies or friends? LOL :roll:

*ahem* didn't Russia just join NATO?

That would rather make them an ally wouldn;t it?

Russia is still Americas enemy.

*ahem* didn't Russia just join NATO?

That would rather make them an ally wouldn;t it?
Only for as long as that treaty is convenient. :wink:

Can't you idiots prove me wrong?

Enough said? I think so, how many warnings now Randy?

iDEAT

Stephanie
Game Moderator was that really necessary? ive seen you let other nations go for far more than that

Can't you idiots prove me wrong?

Enough said? I think so, how many warnings now Randy?

iDEAT

Stephanie
Game Moderator was that really necessary? ive seen you let other nations go for far more than that


I am not a Liberal, that is a deat worthy offense here.

Russia is still Americas enemy.
Man, that is just sooo 80s. :lol:

Can't you idiots prove me wrong?

Enough said? I think so, how many warnings now Randy?

iDEAT

Stephanie
Game Moderator was that really necessary? ive seen you let other nations go for far more than that

Yeah, but it was like his 9,000th warning.

Because back then, we ruled the world, but now we have retired and can't be bothered anymore, and America rules it. So chances are, America will do something really really stupid, and we will wake up going all "WTF is that noise?!" and it will be America starting WW3 because of some n00b cock-up.
:roll:

Wake up, America will never do that.
Why not? America regularly asserts its will through violence. One day, dropping just one small nuke somewhere will seem reasonable . . . after all, it is the only country on Earth to have done it in war before.

The nukes are the thing that scares me about America. What's stopping them from killing us all? Besides the fact they'd have no allies or friends left in the world, what if they got sick of everyone they didn't need, and got, rid of us! :shock:

We don't use our nukes, and remember that Russia has more of them then we do. No allies or friends? LOL :roll:

*ahem* didn't Russia just join NATO?

That would rather make them an ally wouldn;t it?

Russia is still Americas enemy.

I thought that the US and Russia were on friendly terms and just didn't like each other though.

I am not a Liberal, that is a deat worthy offense here.
No, but being a serial flamebaiter is. You've had your chances.

Russia is still Americas enemy.
Man, that is just sooo 80s. :lol:


Look into the Oil for Food scandal, that should prove my point.

Because back then, we ruled the world, but now we have retired and can't be bothered anymore, and America rules it. So chances are, America will do something really really stupid, and we will wake up going all "WTF is that noise?!" and it will be America starting WW3 because of some n00b cock-up.
:roll:

Wake up, America will never do that.
Why not? America regularly asserts its will through violence. One day, dropping just one small nuke somewhere will seem reasonable . . . after all, it is the only country on Earth to have done it in war before.

The nukes are the thing that scares me about America. What's stopping them from killing us all? Besides the fact they'd have no allies or friends left in the world, what if they got sick of everyone they didn't need, and got, rid of us! :shock:

We don't use our nukes, and remember that Russia has more of them then we do. No allies or friends? LOL :roll:

*ahem* didn't Russia just join NATO?

That would rather make them an ally wouldn;t it?

Russia is still Americas enemy.

I thought that the US and Russia were on friendly terms and just didn't like each other though.

I never believed the Cold war ever really ended.

I never believed the Cold war ever really ended.
Pfft, just like Rambo, fighting the Vietnam war in small-town America.

Russia is still Americas enemy.
Man, that is just sooo 80s. :lol:


Look into the Oil for Food scandal, that should prove my point.

If it's good enough for Dick Cheney to profit from Iraq during the embargo.... it's good enough for the Russians.

Can't you idiots prove me wrong?

Enough said? I think so, how many warnings now Randy?

iDEAT

Stephanie
Game Moderator was that really necessary? ive seen you let other nations go for far more than that

Yeah, but it was like his 9,000th warning.yugh......... well, i know; but i think the mods just didnt like him very much (can i even say that?)

Russia is still Americas enemy.
Man, that is just sooo 80s. :lol:
Look into the Oil for Food scandal, that should prove my point.
No, it doesn't. Non sequitor?

I never believed the Cold war ever really ended.
Pfft, just like Rambo, fighting the Vietnam war in small-town America.

Except Rambo had sanity issues.

Russia is still Americas enemy.
Man, that is just sooo 80s. :lol:


Look into the Oil for Food scandal, that should prove my point.

If it's good enough for Dick Cheney to profit from Iraq during the embargo.... it's good enough for the Russians.


:roll:

Maybe that's why Putin keeps visiting Bush at his Crawford, Texas ranch. They're working out plans to go to war on each other....

:roll:

Russia is still Americas enemy.
Man, that is just sooo 80s. :lol:
Look into the Oil for Food scandal, that should prove my point.
No, it doesn't. Non sequitor?


So taking kickbacks from Saddam is ok?

Russia is still Americas enemy.
Man, that is just sooo 80s. :lol:


Look into the Oil for Food scandal, that should prove my point.

If it's good enough for Dick Cheney to profit from Iraq during the embargo.... it's good enough for the Russians.


:roll:

Nice refutation Randy

Maybe that's why Putin keeps visiting Bush at his Crawford, Texas ranch. They're working out plans to go to war on each other....

:roll:


No, Bush is bribing Putin to get him to help in Iraq.

Russia is still Americas enemy.
Man, that is just sooo 80s. :lol:


Look into the Oil for Food scandal, that should prove my point.

If it's good enough for Dick Cheney to profit from Iraq during the embargo.... it's good enough for the Russians.


:roll:

Nice refutation Randy

About the same as what you have been doing.

Russia is still Americas enemy.
Man, that is just sooo 80s. :lol:
Look into the Oil for Food scandal, that should prove my point.
No, it doesn't. Non sequitor?


So taking kickbacks from Saddam is ok?

We'd really have to ask all the american companies who sold him his military tech in the first place....

Russia is still Americas enemy.
Man, that is just sooo 80s. :lol:
Look into the Oil for Food scandal, that should prove my point.
No, it doesn't. Non sequitor?


So taking kickbacks from Saddam is ok?

As opposed to the ten companies currently making hundreds of millions on contracts in IRaq who have previously been convicted of defrauding the US government?

Don't hold up others to standards you won;t keep yourself.

Russia is still Americas enemy.
Man, that is just sooo 80s. :lol:
Look into the Oil for Food scandal, that should prove my point.
No, it doesn't. Non sequitor?


So taking kickbacks from Saddam is ok?

We'd really have to ask all the american companies who sold him his military tech in the first place....

See, Europeans think it is ok for them to take kickbacks from terrorists.

Can't you idiots prove me wrong?

Enough said? I think so, how many warnings now Randy?

iDEAT

Stephanie
Game Moderator was that really necessary? ive seen you let other nations go for far more than that

His nation was tagged for other rule violations.. He has many warnings.. this alone, no, all together, yes.

Stephanie
Game Moderator

Russia is still Americas enemy.
Man, that is just sooo 80s. :lol:
Look into the Oil for Food scandal, that should prove my point.
No, it doesn't. Non sequitor?


So taking kickbacks from Saddam is ok?

As opposed to the ten companies currently making hundreds of millions on contracts in IRaq who have previously been convicted of defrauding the US government?

Don't hold up others to standards you won;t keep yourself.


:roll:

Once again Europeans let themselfs off for their crimes and use America as an excuse to do it!

Russia is still Americas enemy.
Man, that is just sooo 80s. :lol:
Look into the Oil for Food scandal, that should prove my point.
No, it doesn't. Non sequitor?


So taking kickbacks from Saddam is ok?

We'd really have to ask all the american companies who sold him his military tech in the first place....

See, Europeans think it is ok for them to take kickbacks from terrorists.

*cough cough* Iran Contra *cough cough*

See, Europeans think it is ok for them to take kickbacks from terrorists.
LMAO! What about Rumsfeld meeting Saddam Hussein back in the 1980s, when he was acting as a de facto salesman of military technology?

And America's support for the emerging al-Qaeda during the same time?

C'mon, you guys created those people! :lol:

Can't you idiots prove me wrong?

Enough said? I think so, how many warnings now Randy?

iDEAT

Stephanie
Game Moderator was that really necessary? ive seen you let other nations go for far more than that

His nation was tagged for other rule violations.. He has many warnings.. this alone, no, all together, yes.

Stephanie
Game Moderator oh, ok

I never believed the Cold war ever really ended.

You're sounding more and more like one of those people who goes to bed with an armful of guns, in case Kruschev is hiding in their closet.

Russia is still Americas enemy.
Man, that is just sooo 80s. :lol:
Look into the Oil for Food scandal, that should prove my point.
No, it doesn't. Non sequitor?


So taking kickbacks from Saddam is ok?

We'd really have to ask all the american companies who sold him his military tech in the first place....

See, Europeans think it is ok for them to take kickbacks from terrorists.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Some Europeans might think that stronly, others might become violently ill whent they think of that issue! It all depends on where they are, what info the get, and if they make their own decisions.

I never believed the Cold war ever really ended.

You're sounding more and more like one of those people who goes to bed with an armful of guns, in case Kruschev is hiding in their closet. i tell you he lives in the apartment above me!

:roll:

Once again Europeans let themselfs off for their crimes and use America as an excuse to do it!

Well - you make it too easy!

The biggest fraud in US history: Worldcom.

Who gets the contract to build the Iraqi Cellular network? Worldcom.

Russia is still Americas enemy.
Man, that is just sooo 80s. :lol:
Look into the Oil for Food scandal, that should prove my point.
No, it doesn't. Non sequitor?


So taking kickbacks from Saddam is ok?

We'd really have to ask all the american companies who sold him his military tech in the first place....

See, Europeans think it is ok for them to take kickbacks from terrorists.

*cough cough* Iran Contra *cough cough*


I was right, You DO think its ok for you to aid and take kickbacks from terrorists.

I never believed the Cold war ever really ended.
You're sounding more and more like one of those people who goes to bed with an armful of guns, in case Kruschev is hiding in their closet.
Well, not likely, at least not in the literal sense. But speaking of bogeymen, what do you think his would really be? Communists? Too obvious.

I never believed the Cold war ever really ended.

You're sounding more and more like one of those people who goes to bed with an armful of guns, in case Kruschev is hiding in their closet.

Best to wear protective headgear, in case he starts banging his shoe again. :D

I am not a Liberal, that is a deat worthy offense here.
No, but being a serial flamebaiter is. You've had your chances.

I never believed the Cold war ever really ended.
Pfft, just like Rambo, fighting the Vietnam war in small-town America.

I find it amusing that it is perfectly all right to flame America about being so evil, and yet it is the epitome of evil to insult the EU. How about a little moderation in the title "moderator"? Maybe warn BOTH sides on the issue?

On that note, I am perfectly fine with the EU being constructed and bringing new nations in. Yes, it is an economic threat to America, but its all part of the game of diplomacy. I would liek tos ee Europe able to stand on its own and take an active role united, instead of a confederation of nations. America doesnt seem to be fighting the creation of the EU, for all of America's "evil". How does that work?

It is the epitome of hypocrisy to complain about the United States being too judgemental and arrogant, yet, where is the assertiveness that is needed if you really GIVE a damn about these countries' welfare? Far be it from me to suggest a European nation to attempt to stop things in Rwanda, in Cambodia, and every other hellhole. Lets leave that to the whipping boy United States. That bastion of stupidity and evil that yet somehow manages to still remain a superpower despite all odds. Funny ol' world......

See, Europeans think it is ok for them to take kickbacks from terrorists.
LMAO! What about Rumsfeld meeting Saddam Hussein back in the 1980s, when he was acting as a de facto salesman of military technology?

And America's support for the emerging al-Qaeda during the same time?

C'mon, you guys created those people! :lol:


Look into Frances relationship with Saddam in the 80's, And the USA never supported Al-Qaeda, remember, We were in Afghanistan BEFORE Osama got there.

I was right, You DO think its ok for you to aid and take kickbacks from terrorists.

No. Because A) Saddam was not a terrorist. he was a dictator. There is a diference.

and B) because kickbacks are illegal in and of themselves. The source is irrelevant. Until the US corporate world is so clean it squeeks you have no right to point fingers.

I never believed the Cold war ever really ended.

You're sounding more and more like one of those people who goes to bed with an armful of guns, in case Kruschev is hiding in their closet.

I met his son actually as part of a Model United Nations proceedings. He teaches at Brown University. I liked him a lot and he had excellent points about moderation and diplomacy.

I am not a Liberal, that is a deat worthy offense here.
No, but being a serial flamebaiter is. You've had your chances.

I never believed the Cold war ever really ended.
Pfft, just like Rambo, fighting the Vietnam war in small-town America.

I find it amusing that it is perfectly all right to flame America about being so evil, and yet it is the epitome of evil to insult the EU. How about a little moderation in the title "moderator"? Maybe warn BOTH sides on the issue?

On that note, I am perfectly fine with the EU being constructed and bringing new nations in. Yes, it is an economic threat to America, but its all part of the game of diplomacy. I would liek tos ee Europe able to stand on its own and take an active role united, instead of a confederation of nations. America doesnt seem to be fighting the creation of the EU, for all of America's "evil". How does that work?

It is the epitome of hypocrisy to complain about the United States being too judgemental and arrogant, yet, where is the assertiveness that is needed if you really GIVE a damn about these countries' welfare? Far be it from me to suggest a European nation to attempt to stop things in Rwanda, in Cambodia, and every other hellhole. Lets leave that to the whipping boy United States. That bastion of stupidity and evil that yet somehow manages to still remain a superpower despite all odds. Funny ol' world......

thank you for having the courage to say what i wanted to but was too much of a pussy to say

I am not a Liberal, that is a deat worthy offense here.
No, but being a serial flamebaiter is. You've had your chances.

I never believed the Cold war ever really ended.
Pfft, just like Rambo, fighting the Vietnam war in small-town America.

I find it amusing that it is perfectly all right to flame America about being so evil, and yet it is the epitome of evil to insult the EU. How about a little moderation in the title "moderator"? Maybe warn BOTH sides on the issue?

On that note, I am perfectly fine with the EU being constructed and bringing new nations in. Yes, it is an economic threat to America, but its all part of the game of diplomacy. I would liek tos ee Europe able to stand on its own and take an active role united, instead of a confederation of nations. America doesnt seem to be fighting the creation of the EU, for all of America's "evil". How does that work?

It is the epitome of hypocrisy to complain about the United States being too judgemental and arrogant, yet, where is the assertiveness that is needed if you really GIVE a damn about these countries' welfare? Far be it from me to suggest a European nation to attempt to stop things in Rwanda, in Cambodia, and every other hellhole. Lets leave that to the whipping boy United States. That bastion of stupidity and evil that yet somehow manages to still remain a superpower despite all odds. Funny ol' world......

thank you for having the courage to say what i wanted to but was too much of a pussy to say

Not a problem. I leave myself open to flames etc and being accused of a host of other things. Yet amusing since I consider myself a moderate liberal, a centrist that wants to see the UN and Europe take more active roles. But Ill be damned if were calling this "fair" for both sides.

It isn't an empire, it's only a primarily economic alliance, though a very tight, strong one, of Eurpean nations. A key point is to remember they aren't united under one power.

I was right, You DO think its ok for you to aid and take kickbacks from terrorists.

No. Because A) Saddam was not a terrorist. he was a dictator. There is a diference.

and B) because kickbacks are illegal in and of themselves. The source is irrelevant. Until the US corporate world is so clean it squeeks you have no right to point fingers.


Again and Again Europeans let themselves off the hook and point fingers at America!

Here is a tip, You don't let one crime go because you think something else is worse.

I never believed the Cold war ever really ended.
You're sounding more and more like one of those people who goes to bed with an armful of guns, in case Kruschev is hiding in their closet.
Well, not likely, at least not in the literal sense. But speaking of bogeymen, what do you think his would really be? Communists? Too obvious.

In his closet, there's Kruschev, Hitler, Bin Laden, Napoleon, and Ralph Nader all plotting under a pile of coats.

It isn't an empire, it's only a primarily economic alliance, though a very tight, strong one, of Eurpean nations. A key point is to remember they aren't united under one power.


They will be.

I am not a Liberal, that is a deat worthy offense here.
No, but being a serial flamebaiter is. You've had your chances.

I never believed the Cold war ever really ended.
Pfft, just like Rambo, fighting the Vietnam war in small-town America.

I find it amusing that it is perfectly all right to flame America about being so evil, and yet it is the epitome of evil to insult the EU. How about a little moderation in the title "moderator"? Maybe warn BOTH sides on the issue?

On that note, I am perfectly fine with the EU being constructed and bringing new nations in. Yes, it is an economic threat to America, but its all part of the game of diplomacy. I would liek tos ee Europe able to stand on its own and take an active role united, instead of a confederation of nations. America doesnt seem to be fighting the creation of the EU, for all of America's "evil". How does that work?

It is the epitome of hypocrisy to complain about the United States being too judgemental and arrogant, yet, where is the assertiveness that is needed if you really GIVE a damn about these countries' welfare? Far be it from me to suggest a European nation to attempt to stop things in Rwanda, in Cambodia, and every other hellhole. Lets leave that to the whipping boy United States. That bastion of stupidity and evil that yet somehow manages to still remain a superpower despite all odds. Funny ol' world......

thank you for having the courage to say what i wanted to but was too much of a pussy to say

Not a problem. I leave myself open to flames etc and being accused of a host of other things. Yet amusing since I consider myself a moderate liberal, a centrist that wants to see the UN and Europe take more active roles. But Ill be damned if were calling this "fair" for both sides.

you're so cool, one of the few voices of reason on this site. (no sarcasm intended) if the mods deat you because of your heresy, you will be remebered as a martyr

I was right, You DO think its ok for you to aid and take kickbacks from terrorists.

No. Because A) Saddam was not a terrorist. he was a dictator. There is a diference.

and B) because kickbacks are illegal in and of themselves. The source is irrelevant. Until the US corporate world is so clean it squeeks you have no right to point fingers.


Again and Again Europeans let themselves off the hook and point fingers at America!

Here is a tip, You don't let one crime go because you think something else is worse.

You're doing the exact same thing! You're accusing French and Russian corporations of being evil and corrup for accepting kickbacks, but you're turning a blind eye to American corporations doing the exact same thing.

It isn't an empire, it's only a primarily economic alliance, though a very tight, strong one, of Eurpean nations. A key point is to remember they aren't united under one power.

That makes a lot of sense. Thank you! :) I was trying to figure out why I thought it sounded odd to say Empire.

I was right, You DO think its ok for you to aid and take kickbacks from terrorists.

No. Because A) Saddam was not a terrorist. he was a dictator. There is a diference.

and B) because kickbacks are illegal in and of themselves. The source is irrelevant. Until the US corporate world is so clean it squeeks you have no right to point fingers.


Again and Again Europeans let themselves off the hook and point fingers at America!

Here is a tip, You don't let one crime go because you think something else is worse.

You're doing the exact same thing! You're accusing French and Russian corporations of being evil and corrup for accepting kickbacks, but you're turning a blind eye to American corporations doing the exact same thing.

I never did that.

I was right, You DO think its ok for you to aid and take kickbacks from terrorists.

No. Because A) Saddam was not a terrorist. he was a dictator. There is a diference.

and B) because kickbacks are illegal in and of themselves. The source is irrelevant. Until the US corporate world is so clean it squeeks you have no right to point fingers.


Again and Again Europeans let themselves off the hook and point fingers at America!

Here is a tip, You don't let one crime go because you think something else is worse.

Nice tip. So why don't you live up to it ?


All you can do is bash Europe without any admission that perhaps the USA is not perfect or has had no complicity.

I was right, You DO think its ok for you to aid and take kickbacks from terrorists.

No. Because A) Saddam was not a terrorist. he was a dictator. There is a diference.

and B) because kickbacks are illegal in and of themselves. The source is irrelevant. Until the US corporate world is so clean it squeeks you have no right to point fingers.


Again and Again Europeans let themselves off the hook and point fingers at America!

Here is a tip, You don't let one crime go because you think something else is worse.

Nice tip. So why don't you live up to it ?


All you can do is bash Europe without any admission that perhaps the USA is not perfect or has had no complicity.


:roll:

There is no getting thru to you.

I was right, You DO think its ok for you to aid and take kickbacks from terrorists.

No. Because A) Saddam was not a terrorist. he was a dictator. There is a diference.

and B) because kickbacks are illegal in and of themselves. The source is irrelevant. Until the US corporate world is so clean it squeeks you have no right to point fingers.


Again and Again Europeans let themselves off the hook and point fingers at America!

Here is a tip, You don't let one crime go because you think something else is worse.

Nice tip. So why don't you live up to it ?


All you can do is bash Europe without any admission that perhaps the USA is not perfect or has had no complicity.

Good words. Maybe take your own advice. America is not "evil". Its disgusting that people condemn Bush's crusader mentality (myself included, being an atheist), and then go right around and have a Manichaean view that America represents whats wrong in the world and has no redeeming value.

:roll:

There is no getting thru to you.
LOL, every time US corporations are mentioned, you reply, ignoring the point and saying something irrelevant about the French or Russians or Europeans. You will even ignore this post because it contains something unwelcome. And yet you will quote it and add a rolling eyes smiley and some flippant comment about the French. Honestly.

All you can do is bash Europe without any admission that perhaps the USA is not perfect or has had no complicity.

The problem, Zep, is that when we do admit those things, no one seems to hear it. Instead it's much more fun to complain about how awful we are and how terrible everything we've ever done is. After awhile, if enough people say you are bad, you begin to either believe them or say, "Well, screw it, if I'm gonna pay for the crime, I might as well do it."

Lex/Randy is an idiot of the highest order and he in no way, shape or form represents the American view. Sometimes, though, I do understand his anger. I strive against it, but it can be crushing.

We make mistakes. Everyone makes mistakes. Why is it so satisfying to rip us apart for them?

:roll:

There is no getting thru to you.
LOL, every time US corporations are mentioned, you reply, ignoring the point and saying something irrelevant about the French or Russians or Europeans. You will even ignore this post because it contains something unwelcome. And yet you will quote it and add a rolling eyes smiley and some flippant comment about the French. Honestly.

Refer to my earlier post. Address it, if you may. Yes, I disagree with Lex Luger, but maybe offer a balanced opinion on this, or else criticize those who keep saying "America is evil" etc too.

There is no getting thru to you.

Admit that America isn't infallable. I dare you. Name something they've done wrong.

:roll:

There is no getting thru to you.

As one of my friends as put it before, You just don't have a good counter arguement which you think has no weakness. :!:

All right! Good for them all. The EU sounds like a nice deal and best of all, no Americans. NAFTA would work if not for Bush...

:roll:

There is no getting thru to you.
LOL, every time US corporations are mentioned, you reply, ignoring the point and saying something irrelevant about the French or Russians or Europeans. You will even ignore this post because it contains something unwelcome. And yet you will quote it and add a rolling eyes smiley and some flippant comment about the French. Honestly.


You are not listening! I am trying to point out what bad things Europeans do, and everytime you people ignore it and bash America!

There is no getting thru to you.

Admit that America isn't infallable. I dare you. Name something they've done wrong.

I dare you to admitt Europe isn't perfect! Stop trying to change the subject!

All you can do is bash Europe without any admission that perhaps the USA is not perfect or has had no complicity.

The problem, Zep, is that when we do admit those things, no one seems to hear it. Instead it's much more fun to complain about how awful we are and how terrible everything we've ever done is. After awhile, if enough people say you are bad, you begin to either believe them or say, "Well, screw it, if I'm gonna pay for the crime, I might as well do it."

Lex/Randy is an idiot of the highest order and he in no way, shape or form represents the American view. Sometimes, though, I do understand his anger. I strive against it, but it can be crushing.

We make mistakes. Everyone makes mistakes. Why is it so satisfying to rip us apart for them?

Most Americans feel the way I do.

You are not listening! I am trying to point out what bad things Europeans do, and everytime you people ignore it and bash America!

The fact is, that Europeans have been doing the most obscene things to each other since long before the New World was discovered. However, the EU is the path away from that history, towards a more peaceful and prosperous future, which is the point of this thread.

All you can do is bash Europe without any admission that perhaps the USA is not perfect or has had no complicity.

The problem, Zep, is that when we do admit those things, no one seems to hear it. Instead it's much more fun to complain about how awful we are and how terrible everything we've ever done is. After awhile, if enough people say you are bad, you begin to either believe them or say, "Well, screw it, if I'm gonna pay for the crime, I might as well do it."

Lex/Randy is an idiot of the highest order and he in no way, shape or form represents the American view. Sometimes, though, I do understand his anger. I strive against it, but it can be crushing.

We make mistakes. Everyone makes mistakes. Why is it so satisfying to rip us apart for them?

Its hard to imagine the sheer anger Europeans have for us. Look at the beginning of this thread; something GOOD happening. Then look where it degenerates to: the inevitable argument between America vs Europe.

Refer to my earlier post. Address it, if you may. Yes, I disagree with Lex Luger, but maybe offer a balanced opinion on this, or else criticize those who keep saying "America is evil" etc too.
People who say that America is "evil"? I don't believe in "evil" as such. I tend to ignore that stuff, unless it breaks the rules, in which case it gets Moderated. No time, generally.

Sometimes my aim is to offer a balanced opinion on the issue at hand. Not here, though. Here I have chosen to attack a set of ideas with mine. And I feel I am entitled to use a range of tactics.

All you can do is bash Europe without any admission that perhaps the USA is not perfect or has had no complicity.

The problem, Zep, is that when we do admit those things, no one seems to hear it. Instead it's much more fun to complain about how awful we are and how terrible everything we've ever done is. After awhile, if enough people say you are bad, you begin to either believe them or say, "Well, screw it, if I'm gonna pay for the crime, I might as well do it."

Lex/Randy is an idiot of the highest order and he in no way, shape or form represents the American view. Sometimes, though, I do understand his anger. I strive against it, but it can be crushing.

We make mistakes. Everyone makes mistakes. Why is it so satisfying to rip us apart for them?

Most Americans feel the way I do.

The hell they do.

You are not listening! I am trying to point out what bad things Europeans do, and everytime you people ignore it and bash America!

The fact is, that Europeans have been doing the most obscene things to each other since long before the New World was discovered. However, the EU is the path away from that history, towards a more peaceful and prosperous future, which is the point of this thread.


You are still comitting the same crimes to poor nations that you always have.

There is no getting thru to you.

Admit that America isn't infallable. I dare you. Name something they've done wrong.

I dare you to admitt Europe isn't perfect! Stop trying to change the subject!

Europe isn't perfect. They enacted genocide against the Native Americans, purposefully and accidentally. They almost destroyed the continent of Africa. They've caused some of the world's bloodiest conflicts.

Now you. You're so eager to point out Europe's faults, let's see you show some impartiality. Or is there no getting through to you?

There is no getting thru to you.

Admit that America isn't infallable. I dare you. Name something they've done wrong.

I dare you to admitt Europe isn't perfect! Stop trying to change the subject!

Europe isn't perfect. They enacted genocide against the Native Americans, purposefully and accidentally. They almost destroyed the continent of Africa. They've caused some of the world's bloodiest conflicts.

Now you. You're so eager to point out Europe's faults, let's see you show some impartiality. Or is there no getting through to you?


http://americanpeace.eccmei.net/

All you can do is bash Europe without any admission that perhaps the USA is not perfect or has had no complicity.

The problem, Zep, is that when we do admit those things, no one seems to hear it. Instead it's much more fun to complain about how awful we are and how terrible everything we've ever done is. After awhile, if enough people say you are bad, you begin to either believe them or say, "Well, screw it, if I'm gonna pay for the crime, I might as well do it."

Lex/Randy is an idiot of the highest order and he in no way, shape or form represents the American view. Sometimes, though, I do understand his anger. I strive against it, but it can be crushing.

We make mistakes. Everyone makes mistakes. Why is it so satisfying to rip us apart for them?

Most Americans feel the way I do.

Uh, no. They don't. Some do, many do not.

All you can do is bash Europe without any admission that perhaps the USA is not perfect or has had no complicity.

The problem, Zep, is that when we do admit those things, no one seems to hear it. Instead it's much more fun to complain about how awful we are and how terrible everything we've ever done is. After awhile, if enough people say you are bad, you begin to either believe them or say, "Well, screw it, if I'm gonna pay for the crime, I might as well do it."

Lex/Randy is an idiot of the highest order and he in no way, shape or form represents the American view. Sometimes, though, I do understand his anger. I strive against it, but it can be crushing.

We make mistakes. Everyone makes mistakes. Why is it so satisfying to rip us apart for them?

Most Americans feel the way I do.

I don't feel the way you do at all. And all of my friends don't either. In fact, most of us have made plans to move to EU countries when we get older. In fact, I can't think of very many Americans whom share you views, sorry to say.

All you can do is bash Europe without any admission that perhaps the USA is not perfect or has had no complicity.

The problem, Zep, is that when we do admit those things, no one seems to hear it. Instead it's much more fun to complain about how awful we are and how terrible everything we've ever done is. After awhile, if enough people say you are bad, you begin to either believe them or say, "Well, screw it, if I'm gonna pay for the crime, I might as well do it."

Lex/Randy is an idiot of the highest order and he in no way, shape or form represents the American view. Sometimes, though, I do understand his anger. I strive against it, but it can be crushing.

We make mistakes. Everyone makes mistakes. Why is it so satisfying to rip us apart for them?

Most Americans feel the way I do.

Uh, no. They don't. Some do, many do not.


Most Americans fear the EU and think they are trying to destroy us.

Refer to my earlier post. Address it, if you may. Yes, I disagree with Lex Luger, but maybe offer a balanced opinion on this, or else criticize those who keep saying "America is evil" etc too.
People who say that America is "evil"? I don't believe in "evil" as such. I tend to ignore that stuff, unless it breaks the rules, in which case it gets Moderated. No time, generally.

Sometimes my aim is to offer a balanced opinion on the issue at hand. Not here, though. Here I have chosen to attack a set of ideas with mine. And I feel I am entitled to use a range of tactics.

Then I guess I have to take your role in this: moderated argument. I agree the Eu should prosper and hope it does, but as I said before, Ill be damned if this is a "fair" argument. Xenophobia works both ways. He is xenophobic and isolationist, and yet, what is Europe to Americans? Xenophobic and isolationist. "Go back home" etc.

I was right, You DO think its ok for you to aid and take kickbacks from terrorists.

No. Because A) Saddam was not a terrorist. he was a dictator. There is a diference.

and B) because kickbacks are illegal in and of themselves. The source is irrelevant. Until the US corporate world is so clean it squeeks you have no right to point fingers.


Again and Again Europeans let themselves off the hook and point fingers at America!

Here is a tip, You don't let one crime go because you think something else is worse.

Nice tip. So why don't you live up to it ?


All you can do is bash Europe without any admission that perhaps the USA is not perfect or has had no complicity.

Good words. Maybe take your own advice. America is not "evil". Its disgusting that people condemn Bush's crusader mentality (myself included, being an atheist), and then go right around and have a Manichaean view that America represents whats wrong in the world and has no redeeming value.

And I have called America "evil" when exactly? I have, in this thread countered Randy/Lex's unfounded rants with instances that show that there is enough fingers to point in both directions.

That is all.

It is true that I do not like GW's administration, however you can be very certain that I recognize this as my feelings relating to this administration only - not the USA in general.

You are trying to paint me with something that is neither true nor fair.

-Z-

All you can do is bash Europe without any admission that perhaps the USA is not perfect or has had no complicity.

The problem, Zep, is that when we do admit those things, no one seems to hear it. Instead it's much more fun to complain about how awful we are and how terrible everything we've ever done is. After awhile, if enough people say you are bad, you begin to either believe them or say, "Well, screw it, if I'm gonna pay for the crime, I might as well do it."

Lex/Randy is an idiot of the highest order and he in no way, shape or form represents the American view. Sometimes, though, I do understand his anger. I strive against it, but it can be crushing.

We make mistakes. Everyone makes mistakes. Why is it so satisfying to rip us apart for them?

Most Americans feel the way I do.

I don't feel the way you do at all. And all of my friends don't either. In fact, most of us have made plans to move to EU countries when we get older. In fact, I can't think of very many Americans whom share you views, sorry to say.

You want to move to Europe? Go then and don't come back!

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the EU unfairly dominated by its larger members like France and Germany and its policies on free trade actually inhibit growth? In fact, didn't one of its recent drafts of a constitution include the yeilding of popular soverignty of the member states to some high council that can never be held accountable to the people? Oh well, I doubt whatever the Europeans do will affect anyone outside of Europe (besides the third world countries that they work so hard to keep down), the EU's GDP still isn't growing as fast as the US's which still surpasses the EU significantly when it comes to productivity, besides, dealing with Europe is a lot like dealing with other nations in nation states, if you don't like their whining just fire your ignore cannon, it's not like they have the collective will to actually do anything about it other than yell a lot, hold protests, and complain in online forums.

On a side note, just prior to WWI weren't many Europeans declaring it inconceivable that any western power would ever again make war on another?

There is no getting thru to you.

Admit that America isn't infallable. I dare you. Name something they've done wrong.

I dare you to admitt Europe isn't perfect! Stop trying to change the subject!

Europe isn't perfect. They enacted genocide against the Native Americans, purposefully and accidentally. They almost destroyed the continent of Africa. They've caused some of the world's bloodiest conflicts.

Now you. You're so eager to point out Europe's faults, let's see you show some impartiality. Or is there no getting through to you?


http://americanpeace.eccmei.net/

Okay, so you've shown your ability to search on google, then copy and paste. You've proven nothing. Actually say something.

I think it's time for another moment of patriotism. :D

http://www.europarl.eu.int/addresses/parliament/low2.jpg

You are still comitting the same crimes to poor nations that you always have.

I don't recall any new nations being brought under the relentless yoke of imperial oppression recently. Quite the opposite in fact; the disbanding of the European empires and reduction of European influence in world affairs to make way for greatly increased US influence. It is US corporations and foreign policies that are inflicting these 'crimes' on poor countries to a far greater degree than Europeans.

All you can do is bash Europe without any admission that perhaps the USA is not perfect or has had no complicity.

The problem, Zep, is that when we do admit those things, no one seems to hear it. Instead it's much more fun to complain about how awful we are and how terrible everything we've ever done is. After awhile, if enough people say you are bad, you begin to either believe them or say, "Well, screw it, if I'm gonna pay for the crime, I might as well do it."

Lex/Randy is an idiot of the highest order and he in no way, shape or form represents the American view. Sometimes, though, I do understand his anger. I strive against it, but it can be crushing.

We make mistakes. Everyone makes mistakes. Why is it so satisfying to rip us apart for them?

Most Americans feel the way I do.

I don't feel the way you do at all. And all of my friends don't either. In fact, most of us have made plans to move to EU countries when we get older. In fact, I can't think of very many Americans whom share you views, sorry to say.

You want to move to Europe? Go then and don't come back!

What's wrong with Europe! It's where some of our ancestors are, it has great languages, foods, people. Not that I don't like America. I like both Equally.

Its hard to imagine the sheer anger Europeans have for us. Look at the beginning of this thread; something GOOD happening. Then look where it degenerates to: the inevitable argument between America vs Europe.

To be fair, it degenerated because of one rampant idiot making everyone look bad. However, after that door was opened, it was the usual stampede to hop on the Bash The U.S. train. Of course, the original poster also had a hand in that.

I salute the EU and was hoping this thread would have had a different tone. In today's world, it seems rarer and rarer to find an example of a positive effort to bring cohesion and peace to the world or people willing to work together to overcome differences of opinion and culture in order to form a more lasting brotherhood of humanity. It's a shame that what should have been a celebratory thread dedicated to a great day in European history has been reduced into the standard mudslinging and hatemongering that so often clutters these boards.

You are not listening! I am trying to point out what bad things Europeans do, and everytime you people ignore it and bash America!

Perhaps it's your tone Lex.

You started off with "I hate the EU. IT will cause another hitler and WWIII" and other inflamatory statments.

That is a far cry from "pointing out that they have done bad things"/

Of course they have. EVERY country has.

But you started it as a bash thread. So you got rebutted in kind.

Hardly suprising....

:roll:

There is no getting thru to you.
LOL, every time US corporations are mentioned, you reply, ignoring the point and saying something irrelevant about the French or Russians or Europeans. You will even ignore this post because it contains something unwelcome. And yet you will quote it and add a rolling eyes smiley and some flippant comment about the French. Honestly.


You are not listening! I am trying to point out what bad things Europeans do, and everytime you people ignore it and bash America!

Yes, the Europeans have done bad things in the past, but America's past is linked to that of Europe. Also, the reason America is picked on rather quickly is because of its present obvious faults and glaring flaws and holes in the system created by Bush and his puppets.

Also, your statement is a horrible generalisation because you're saying that everyone who stands up for Europe suddenly is bashing America because we're ignoring your point. But, really, we're not ignoring your point, we're giving our opinion... Oh wait, I forgot, we can't because that would mean we're not comforming and acting like the same brand of brainless zombies that sit on their postal code worthy asses with their beady peepers glued to the glass teet tuned into the epitome of superior programming that is Jerry Springer and Fox News...

All you can do is bash Europe without any admission that perhaps the USA is not perfect or has had no complicity.

The problem, Zep, is that when we do admit those things, no one seems to hear it. Instead it's much more fun to complain about how awful we are and how terrible everything we've ever done is. After awhile, if enough people say you are bad, you begin to either believe them or say, "Well, screw it, if I'm gonna pay for the crime, I might as well do it."

Lex/Randy is an idiot of the highest order and he in no way, shape or form represents the American view. Sometimes, though, I do understand his anger. I strive against it, but it can be crushing.

We make mistakes. Everyone makes mistakes. Why is it so satisfying to rip us apart for them?

Most Americans feel the way I do.

Uh, no. They don't. Some do, many do not.


Most Americans fear the EU and think they are trying to destroy us.

Source please? I have yet to hear that sentiment expressed by anyone other than yourself.

There is no getting thru to you.

Admit that America isn't infallable. I dare you. Name something they've done wrong.

I dare you to admitt Europe isn't perfect! Stop trying to change the subject!

Europe isn't perfect. They enacted genocide against the Native Americans, purposefully and accidentally. They almost destroyed the continent of Africa. They've caused some of the world's bloodiest conflicts.

Now you. You're so eager to point out Europe's faults, let's see you show some impartiality. Or is there no getting through to you?


http://americanpeace.eccmei.net/

Okay, so you've shown your ability to search on google, then copy and paste. You've proven nothing. Actually say something.

I have had that site on my favorites for almost a year.

I'm counting peaceful, constructive empires only.

Then why the hell are you talking about the Roman Empire?

Peaceful would be the last word I'd ever use to describe Rome.

All you can do is bash Europe without any admission that perhaps the USA is not perfect or has had no complicity.

The problem, Zep, is that when we do admit those things, no one seems to hear it. Instead it's much more fun to complain about how awful we are and how terrible everything we've ever done is. After awhile, if enough people say you are bad, you begin to either believe them or say, "Well, screw it, if I'm gonna pay for the crime, I might as well do it."

Lex/Randy is an idiot of the highest order and he in no way, shape or form represents the American view. Sometimes, though, I do understand his anger. I strive against it, but it can be crushing.

We make mistakes. Everyone makes mistakes. Why is it so satisfying to rip us apart for them?

Well said good sir, well said!

All you can do is bash Europe without any admission that perhaps the USA is not perfect or has had no complicity.

The problem, Zep, is that when we do admit those things, no one seems to hear it. Instead it's much more fun to complain about how awful we are and how terrible everything we've ever done is. After awhile, if enough people say you are bad, you begin to either believe them or say, "Well, screw it, if I'm gonna pay for the crime, I might as well do it."

Lex/Randy is an idiot of the highest order and he in no way, shape or form represents the American view. Sometimes, though, I do understand his anger. I strive against it, but it can be crushing.

We make mistakes. Everyone makes mistakes. Why is it so satisfying to rip us apart for them?

Most Americans feel the way I do.

Uh, no. They don't. Some do, many do not.


Most Americans fear the EU and think they are trying to destroy us.

Up your meds, dude, because you are living in a psychotic episode if you actually think that.

Most Americans fear the EU and think they are trying to destroy us.
No, from what I have heard, most Americans* see the EU as an economically and militarily weak alliance stifled by bureaucracy and decaying socialist institutions.

* That is, most Americans who are aware of the EU in the first place, and are capable of informed reasoning on the subject.

Its hard to imagine the sheer anger Europeans have for us. Look at the beginning of this thread; something GOOD happening. Then look where it degenerates to: the inevitable argument between America vs Europe.

To be fair, it degenerated because of one rampant idiot making everyone look bad. However, after that door was opened, it was the usual stampede to hop on the Bash The U.S. train. Of course, the original poster also had a hand in that.

I salute the EU and was hoping this thread would have had a different tone. In today's world, it seems rarer and rarer to find an example of a positive effort to bring cohesion and peace to the world or people willing to work together to overcome differences of opinion and culture in order to form a more lasting brotherhood of humanity. It's a shame that what should have been a celebratory thread dedicated to a great day in European history has been reduced into the standard mudslinging and hatemongering that so often clutters these boards.


Great day for Europeans bad day for everybody else.

Most Americans fear the EU and think they are trying to destroy us.
No, from what I have heard, most Americans* see the EU as an economically and militarily weak alliance stifled by bureaucracy and decaying socialist institutions.

* That is, most Americans who are aware of the EU in the first place, and are capable of informed reasoning on the subject.


The Americans who think the EU is weak are morons, the EU is not weak.

I was right, You DO think its ok for you to aid and take kickbacks from terrorists.

No. Because A) Saddam was not a terrorist. he was a dictator. There is a diference.

and B) because kickbacks are illegal in and of themselves. The source is irrelevant. Until the US corporate world is so clean it squeeks you have no right to point fingers.


Again and Again Europeans let themselves off the hook and point fingers at America!

Here is a tip, You don't let one crime go because you think something else is worse.

Nice tip. So why don't you live up to it ?


All you can do is bash Europe without any admission that perhaps the USA is not perfect or has had no complicity.

Good words. Maybe take your own advice. America is not "evil". Its disgusting that people condemn Bush's crusader mentality (myself included, being an atheist), and then go right around and have a Manichaean view that America represents whats wrong in the world and has no redeeming value.

And I have called America "evil" when exactly? I have, in this thread countered Randy/Lex's unfounded rants with instances that show that there is enough fingers to point in both directions.

That is all.

It is true that I do not like GW's administration, however you can be very certain that I recognize this as my feelings relating to this administration only - not the USA in general.

You are trying to paint me with something that is neither true nor fair.

-Z-

I apologize. I am not indicting you in particular. Im indicting a mentality that seems prevalent abroad and asking you to please refute that opinion. I have a tendency to use singular posts to make a broad point.

Again, I apologize. I just want to keep this topic on something resembling an intellectual basis.

-Crownguard

I just want to keep this topic on something resembling an intellectual basis.

Did you notice how before Randy/Lex showed up, TG, a European, and me, an American, were having a completely civil conversation without resorting to attacking each other's nationality?

1. I don't really care who joined the EU or why they joined it. Good for them, I still don't care.

2. The EU has little interest in crushing the US economically. Many European investors are investing in the US, and it would be unwise to destroy the economic base you're investing in.

3. The US still has the largest single economy in the world. The EU combined may have more purchasing parity, but it is still very factionalized

4. Again, who cares if they have a larger combined economy. OMG they're HUGE!!! Whoopty Doo, money isn't everything.

I just want to keep this topic on something resembling an intellectual basis.
Did you notice how before Randy/Lex showed up, TG, a European, and me, an American, were having a completely civil conversation without resorting to attacking each other's nationality?
We're traitors. :shock:

1. I don't really care who joined the EU or why they joined it. Good for them, I still don't care.

2. The EU has little interest in crushing the US economically. Many European investors are investing in the US, and it would be unwise to destroy the economic base you're investing in.

3. The US still has the largest single economy in the world. The EU combined may have more purchasing parity, but it is still very factionalized

4. Again, who cares if they have a larger combined economy. OMG they're HUGE!!! Whoopty Doo, money isn't everything. hehe, well said

Great day for Europeans bad day for everybody else.

Sir, you are perilously close to making me lose my religion.

You are an uniformed idiot living in a twisted bomb shelter of your own imagination. Not only do your opinions only represent the fringe of the fringe, but they are an insult to everyone in this country who is trying to do good. Throughout this entire thread you have not said a single fact, except to glancingly mention them and completely misapply them. Please, for the good of the United States that you claim to hold so dear, seek professional help.

Okay, sometimes mudslinging is fun. :)

Too bad it had to happen in this thread. :(

I still think it's a good thing and extend my fondest wishes and hopes of peace to the EU, if anyone cares. Perhaps someday, maybe our children will learn to get along and like each other.

Most Americans fear the EU and think they are trying to destroy us.
No, from what I have heard, most Americans* see the EU as an economically and militarily weak alliance stifled by bureaucracy and decaying socialist institutions.

* That is, most Americans who are aware of the EU in the first place, and are capable of informed reasoning on the subject.

Isnt it though? Lets be fair. Its still in its embryonic stages, so I dont expect it to be a political miracle, but a work in progress. Case point: The United States post-War of Independence. It took till 1789 (I beleive) to actually graduate to a mature country from a fractional confederacy.


I give the EU credit, and hope it succeeds. However, it faces problems like any other political institution.

Great day for Europeans bad day for everybody else.

Sir, you are perilously close to making me lose my religion.

You are an uniformed idiot living in a twisted bomb shelter of your own imagination. Not only do your opinions only represent the fringe of the fringe, but they are an insult to everyone in this country who is trying to do good. Throughout this entire thread you have not said a single fact, except to glancingly mention them and completely misapply them. Please, for the good of the United States that you claim to hold so dear, seek professional help.

Okay, sometimes mudslinging is fun. :)

Too bad it had to happen in this thread. :(

I still think it's a good thing and extend my fondest wishes and hopes of peace to the EU, if anyone cares. Perhaps someday, maybe our children will learn to get along and like each other.

ModAlert

I just want to keep this topic on something resembling an intellectual basis.

Did you notice how before Randy/Lex showed up, TG, a European, and me, an American, were having a completely civil conversation without resorting to attacking each other's nationality?

Did I refer specifically to you? Then again, isnt it the mark of maturity to be above degeneration to his level?

Great day for Europeans bad day for everybody else.

Sir, you are perilously close to making me lose my religion.

You are an uniformed idiot living in a twisted bomb shelter of your own imagination. Not only do your opinions only represent the fringe of the fringe, but they are an insult to everyone in this country who is trying to do good. Throughout this entire thread you have not said a single fact, except to glancingly mention them and completely misapply them. Please, for the good of the United States that you claim to hold so dear, seek professional help.

Okay, sometimes mudslinging is fun. :)

Too bad it had to happen in this thread. :(

I still think it's a good thing and extend my fondest wishes and hopes of peace to the EU, if anyone cares. Perhaps someday, maybe our children will learn to get along and like each other.

Yes, too bad it happened here. I was enjoying talking about nations that made it into the EU, like part of Cyprus. Hopefully, if it's still in the EU when I'm older, I'll get to move there and support the place my name relates to!

Jerry Springer and Fox News...

I take offense to that, you shouldn't connect the two, Fox is a relic of an earlier age, before the left decided to leave moderates behind, Jerry Springer was a fairly successful politician on the far left before he went into show business.

Great day for Europeans bad day for everybody else.

Sir, you are perilously close to making me lose my religion.

You are an uniformed idiot living in a twisted bomb shelter of your own imagination. Not only do your opinions only represent the fringe of the fringe, but they are an insult to everyone in this country who is trying to do good. Throughout this entire thread you have not said a single fact, except to glancingly mention them and completely misapply them. Please, for the good of the United States that you claim to hold so dear, seek professional help.

Okay, sometimes mudslinging is fun. :)

Too bad it had to happen in this thread. :(

I still think it's a good thing and extend my fondest wishes and hopes of peace to the EU, if anyone cares. Perhaps someday, maybe our children will learn to get along and like each other.

getting a little angry ar we?

Great day for Europeans bad day for everybody else.

Sir, you are perilously close to making me lose my religion.

You are an uniformed idiot living in a twisted bomb shelter of your own imagination. Not only do your opinions only represent the fringe of the fringe, but they are an insult to everyone in this country who is trying to do good. Throughout this entire thread you have not said a single fact, except to glancingly mention them and completely misapply them. Please, for the good of the United States that you claim to hold so dear, seek professional help.

Okay, sometimes mudslinging is fun. :)

Too bad it had to happen in this thread. :(

I still think it's a good thing and extend my fondest wishes and hopes of peace to the EU, if anyone cares. Perhaps someday, maybe our children will learn to get along and like each other.

getting a little angry ar we?

Yes. And it's wrong. And I'm sorry.

Jerry Springer and Fox News...

I take offense to that, you shouldn't connect the two, Fox is a relic of an earlier age, before the left decided to leave moderates behind, Jerry Springer was a fairly successful politician on the far left before he went into show business.


Fox News is the highest rated news network in America and one of the most in the world.

Great day for Europeans bad day for everybody else.

Sir, you are perilously close to making me lose my religion.

You are an uniformed idiot living in a twisted bomb shelter of your own imagination. Not only do your opinions only represent the fringe of the fringe, but they are an insult to everyone in this country who is trying to do good. Throughout this entire thread you have not said a single fact, except to glancingly mention them and completely misapply them. Please, for the good of the United States that you claim to hold so dear, seek professional help.

Okay, sometimes mudslinging is fun. :)

Too bad it had to happen in this thread. :(

I still think it's a good thing and extend my fondest wishes and hopes of peace to the EU, if anyone cares. Perhaps someday, maybe our children will learn to get along and like each other.

getting a little angry ar we?

Yes. And it's wrong. And I'm sorry.

Why are you apologzing to him?

Yes, too bad it happened here. I was enjoying talking about nations that made it into the EU, like part of Cyprus. Hopefully, if it's still in the EU when I'm older, I'll get to move there and support the place my name relates to!

I doubt Turkey will be allowed into the EU any time soon, wasn't its membership declined based on some glaring human rights issues?

Great day for Europeans bad day for everybody else.

Sir, you are perilously close to making me lose my religion.

You are an uniformed idiot living in a twisted bomb shelter of your own imagination. Not only do your opinions only represent the fringe of the fringe, but they are an insult to everyone in this country who is trying to do good. Throughout this entire thread you have not said a single fact, except to glancingly mention them and completely misapply them. Please, for the good of the United States that you claim to hold so dear, seek professional help.

Okay, sometimes mudslinging is fun. :)

Too bad it had to happen in this thread. :(

I still think it's a good thing and extend my fondest wishes and hopes of peace to the EU, if anyone cares. Perhaps someday, maybe our children will learn to get along and like each other.

getting a little angry ar we?

Yes. And it's wrong. And I'm sorry.i wouldnt worry if i were you, they probably wont say anything :wink:

I just want to keep this topic on something resembling an intellectual basis.

Did you notice how before Randy/Lex showed up, TG, a European, and me, an American, were having a completely civil conversation without resorting to attacking each other's nationality?

Did I refer specifically to you? Then again, isnt it the mark of maturity to be above degeneration to his level?

No, but I was making a point. Randy/Lex is the one who has caused this thread to degenerate. We may all pretend to be mature, but when someone attacks a part of you that is very close, i.e. national pride, most everyone would respond angrily. It's only natural for people to be angry with his comments. He's the one who came in and spoiled a decent conversation with flame-baiting anti-everything-that-isn't-American rhetoric.

Great day for Europeans bad day for everybody else.

Sir, you are perilously close to making me lose my religion.

You are an uniformed idiot living in a twisted bomb shelter of your own imagination. Not only do your opinions only represent the fringe of the fringe, but they are an insult to everyone in this country who is trying to do good. Throughout this entire thread you have not said a single fact, except to glancingly mention them and completely misapply them. Please, for the good of the United States that you claim to hold so dear, seek professional help.

Okay, sometimes mudslinging is fun. :)

Too bad it had to happen in this thread. :(

I still think it's a good thing and extend my fondest wishes and hopes of peace to the EU, if anyone cares. Perhaps someday, maybe our children will learn to get along and like each other.

getting a little angry ar we?

Yes. And it's wrong. And I'm sorry.i wouldnt worry if i were you, they probably wont say anything :wink:

Mod bias.

Yes, too bad it happened here. I was enjoying talking about nations that made it into the EU, like part of Cyprus. Hopefully, if it's still in the EU when I'm older, I'll get to move there and support the place my name relates to!

I doubt Turkey will be allowed into the EU any time soon, wasn't its membership declined based on some glaring human rights issues?

Interesting point. However, wouldnt it be wiser to accept Turkey and then fix the problems with the assistance OF the EU? Elitism among countries is very, very dangerous.

I just want to keep this topic on something resembling an intellectual basis.

Did you notice how before Randy/Lex showed up, TG, a European, and me, an American, were having a completely civil conversation without resorting to attacking each other's nationality?

Did I refer specifically to you? Then again, isnt it the mark of maturity to be above degeneration to his level?

No, but I was making a point. Randy/Lex is the one who has caused this thread to degenerate. We may all pretend to be mature, but when someone attacks a part of you that is very close, i.e. national pride, most everyone would respond angrily. It's only natural for people to be angry with his comments. He's the one who came in and spoiled a decent conversation with flame-baiting anti-everything-that-isn't-American rhetoric.


The person who made this thread started the problem.

Was Cyprus one of them? All I know is that I want to move to Cyprus, and currently, I'd like to move to the EU side, which would be Greece.

Cyprus is scary man, what with the religious clashes and all...

Yes, too bad it happened here. I was enjoying talking about nations that made it into the EU, like part of Cyprus. Hopefully, if it's still in the EU when I'm older, I'll get to move there and support the place my name relates to!

I doubt Turkey will be allowed into the EU any time soon, wasn't its membership declined based on some glaring human rights issues?

I think so, sadly. :cry: At least I'll get to move to Greek Cyprus. Then, by that time, they'll have convinced Turkish Cyprus to give up and give them the land! :)

The person who made this thread started the problem.

The person who started this thread included a little flamebait which you picked up nicely. Are you enjoying this?

Great day for Europeans bad day for everybody else.

Sir, you are perilously close to making me lose my religion.

You are an uniformed idiot living in a twisted bomb shelter of your own imagination. Not only do your opinions only represent the fringe of the fringe, but they are an insult to everyone in this country who is trying to do good. Throughout this entire thread you have not said a single fact, except to glancingly mention them and completely misapply them. Please, for the good of the United States that you claim to hold so dear, seek professional help.

Okay, sometimes mudslinging is fun. :)

Too bad it had to happen in this thread. :(

I still think it's a good thing and extend my fondest wishes and hopes of peace to the EU, if anyone cares. Perhaps someday, maybe our children will learn to get along and like each other.

getting a little angry ar we?

Yes. And it's wrong. And I'm sorry.i wouldnt worry if i were you, they probably wont say anything :wink:

Mod bias. well, no shit I dont think they like you very much, and that can be a dangerous thing (they wouldnt like me either if i voiced all my true opinions about the world)

I just want to keep this topic on something resembling an intellectual basis.

Did you notice how before Randy/Lex showed up, TG, a European, and me, an American, were having a completely civil conversation without resorting to attacking each other's nationality?

Did I refer specifically to you? Then again, isnt it the mark of maturity to be above degeneration to his level?

No, but I was making a point. Randy/Lex is the one who has caused this thread to degenerate. We may all pretend to be mature, but when someone attacks a part of you that is very close, i.e. national pride, most everyone would respond angrily. It's only natural for people to be angry with his comments. He's the one who came in and spoiled a decent conversation with flame-baiting anti-everything-that-isn't-American rhetoric.

Much as I liked the level of the conversation before he came in, I think its good to have a bit of perspective here. He offers a contrast to more enlightened views of the nature of diplomacy, and WHY it is both sides need to sit down and get things straight. In that case, he is the catalyst for a debate that probably needs to be gotten out of the way, despite the tone it is taking. Otherwise, it would be bubbling in each of our thoughts and jsut under the surface of our posts.

The person who made this thread started the problem.

The person who started this thread included a little flamebait which you picked up nicely. Are you enjoying this?


You flamebait you get flamed, Fair. He asked for it.

I don't know if anybody posted this yet, because the Europeans are out in the streets celebrating and the Americans don't give a damn. But today 10 Eastern European nations have joined the European Union, boosting membership to 25 nations and becoming the largest trading bloc in the world. BEWARE, THE NEW WORLD, BECAUSE THE OLD WORLD IS MAKING A COMEBACK, AND WILL STORM THE WORLD WITH FORCE! HAHAHAHAHA! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Congrats, Western Europe. Have fun being tugboats.

Most Americans fear the EU and think they are trying to destroy us.

Up your meds, dude, because you are living in a psychotic episode if you actually think that.

Well, to be fair, the EU is partially led by France, which describes itseld as a counterweight to the US. While Lex is again exaggerating, many Americans might be concerned by the creation of an anti-American European superstate.

well, no shit I dont think they like you very much, and that can be a dangerous thing (they wouldnt like me either if i voiced all my true opinions about the world)

What do you base that on? The rules are the rules, regardless of the mods personal opinions. If you break them, you get deleted.

No, from what I have heard, most Americans* see the EU as an economically and militarily weak alliance stifled by bureaucracy and decaying socialist institutions.

* That is, most Americans who are aware of the EU in the first place, and are capable of informed reasoning on the subject.
Isnt it though? Lets be fair. Its still in its embryonic stages, so I dont expect it to be a political miracle, but a work in progress. Case point: The United States post-War of Independence. It took till 1789 (I beleive) to actually graduate to a mature country from a fractional confederacy.

I give the EU credit, and hope it succeeds. However, it faces problems like any other political institution.
Quite. What I was challenging was the view that it is a Fourth Reich which will take on America and destroy the world in a nuclear holocaust. Which is what Lex Luger, the late Mr Savage, seems to be suggesting.

Great day for Europeans bad day for everybody else.

Sir, you are perilously close to making me lose my religion.

You are an uniformed idiot living in a twisted bomb shelter of your own imagination. Not only do your opinions only represent the fringe of the fringe, but they are an insult to everyone in this country who is trying to do good. Throughout this entire thread you have not said a single fact, except to glancingly mention them and completely misapply them. Please, for the good of the United States that you claim to hold so dear, seek professional help.

Okay, sometimes mudslinging is fun. :)

Too bad it had to happen in this thread. :(

I still think it's a good thing and extend my fondest wishes and hopes of peace to the EU, if anyone cares. Perhaps someday, maybe our children will learn to get along and like each other.

getting a little angry ar we?

Yes. And it's wrong. And I'm sorry.i wouldnt worry if i were you, they probably wont say anything :wink:

Mod bias. well, no shit I dont think they like you very much, and that can be a dangerous thing (they wouldnt like me either if i voiced all my true opinions about the world)

Voice your true opinions, don't let them scare you.

Jerry Springer and Fox News...

I take offense to that, you shouldn't connect the two, Fox is a relic of an earlier age, before the left decided to leave moderates behind, Jerry Springer was a fairly successful politician on the far left before he went into show business.

Really? Seeing the trash that spews out from the two, I'm hardly inclinced to even consider that you may be telling the truth.

Most Americans fear the EU and think they are trying to destroy us.

Up your meds, dude, because you are living in a psychotic episode if you actually think that.

Well, to be fair, the EU is partially led by France, which describes itseld as a counterweight to the US. While Lex is again exaggerating, many Americans might be concerned by the creation of an anti-American European superstate.


That superstate is starting to take shape.

well, no shit I dont think they like you very much, and that can be a dangerous thing (they wouldnt like me either if i voiced all my true opinions about the world)

What do you base that on? The rules are the rules, regardless of the mods personal opinions. If you break them, you get deleted.

MWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! :lol: c'mon now, you dont think the mods are completely without bias, and flaws do you? i could go on, but i care far too much about my nation to go and risk everything on a post. (ill leave it at that for right now)

That superstate is starting to take shape.

Wait, I know what this is. This is like five drunken frat boys sitting around a computer having a laugh and putting the wind up on a political posting board. Now I get it. Okay, kids, you've had your fun, just remember to take asprin before you go to bed (not Tylenol because it can wreck your kidneys) and drink at least one 8 ounce glass of water for every alcoholic beverage you consumed.

I just want to keep this topic on something resembling an intellectual basis.

Did you notice how before Randy/Lex showed up, TG, a European, and me, an American, were having a completely civil conversation without resorting to attacking each other's nationality?

Did I refer specifically to you? Then again, isnt it the mark of maturity to be above degeneration to his level?

No, but I was making a point. Randy/Lex is the one who has caused this thread to degenerate. We may all pretend to be mature, but when someone attacks a part of you that is very close, i.e. national pride, most everyone would respond angrily. It's only natural for people to be angry with his comments. He's the one who came in and spoiled a decent conversation with flame-baiting anti-everything-that-isn't-American rhetoric.

Much as I liked the level of the conversation before he came in, I think its good to have a bit of perspective here. He offers a contrast to more enlightened views of the nature of diplomacy, and WHY it is both sides need to sit down and get things straight. In that case, he is the catalyst for a debate that probably needs to be gotten out of the way, despite the tone it is taking. Otherwise, it would be bubbling in each of our thoughts and jsut under the surface of our posts.

He offers nothing. All he does is espouse the same tired rhetoric post after post, attack people when they disagree, refuse to even accept opposing viewpoints, deny anything he says is wrong, and cry foul for the same things he does to other people. He doesn't really encourage intelligent debate any more than The Red Arrow. There are plenty of intelligent, reasonable conservatives on this forum who, while not agreeing with, I can at least respect. Kwangistar comes to mind. All he does is anger people.

Great day for Europeans bad day for everybody else.

Sir, you are perilously close to making me lose my religion.

You are an uniformed idiot living in a twisted bomb shelter of your own imagination. Not only do your opinions only represent the fringe of the fringe, but they are an insult to everyone in this country who is trying to do good. Throughout this entire thread you have not said a single fact, except to glancingly mention them and completely misapply them. Please, for the good of the United States that you claim to hold so dear, seek professional help.

Okay, sometimes mudslinging is fun. :)

Too bad it had to happen in this thread. :(

I still think it's a good thing and extend my fondest wishes and hopes of peace to the EU, if anyone cares. Perhaps someday, maybe our children will learn to get along and like each other.

getting a little angry ar we?

Yes. And it's wrong. And I'm sorry.i wouldnt worry if i were you, they probably wont say anything :wink:

Mod bias. well, no shit I dont think they like you very much, and that can be a dangerous thing (they wouldnt like me either if i voiced all my true opinions about the world)

Voice your true opinions, don't let them scare you.



well, im terrified of what would happen, because my views are far more extreme than yours

That superstate is starting to take shape.

Wait, I know what this is. This is like five drunken frat boys sitting around a computer having a laugh and putting the wind up on a political posting board. Now I get it. Okay, kids, you've had your fun, just remember to take asprin before you go to bed (not Tylenol because it can wreck your kidneys) and drink at least one 8 ounce glass of water for every alcoholic beverage you consumed.

:roll:

Thanks for showing how ignorant you are.

No, from what I have heard, most Americans* see the EU as an economically and militarily weak alliance stifled by bureaucracy and decaying socialist institutions.

* That is, most Americans who are aware of the EU in the first place, and are capable of informed reasoning on the subject.
Isnt it though? Lets be fair. Its still in its embryonic stages, so I dont expect it to be a political miracle, but a work in progress. Case point: The United States post-War of Independence. It took till 1789 (I beleive) to actually graduate to a mature country from a fractional confederacy.

I give the EU credit, and hope it succeeds. However, it faces problems like any other political institution.
Quite. What I was challenging was the view that it is a Fourth Reich which will take on America and destroy the world ina nuclear holocaust. Which is what Lex Luger, the late Mr Savage, seems to be suggesting.

A good point, but are any of us here taking Lex Luger seriously, or his counterparts on the other side of the debate? Though, Im glad certain politicians and people with "power" but no intellect generally avoid Nationstates and his arguments. :)

Einstein makes a good point about human stupidity, heh.

Great day for Europeans bad day for everybody else.

Sir, you are perilously close to making me lose my religion.

You are an uniformed idiot living in a twisted bomb shelter of your own imagination. Not only do your opinions only represent the fringe of the fringe, but they are an insult to everyone in this country who is trying to do good. Throughout this entire thread you have not said a single fact, except to glancingly mention them and completely misapply them. Please, for the good of the United States that you claim to hold so dear, seek professional help.

Okay, sometimes mudslinging is fun. :)

Too bad it had to happen in this thread. :(

I still think it's a good thing and extend my fondest wishes and hopes of peace to the EU, if anyone cares. Perhaps someday, maybe our children will learn to get along and like each other.

getting a little angry ar we?

Yes. And it's wrong. And I'm sorry.i wouldnt worry if i were you, they probably wont say anything :wink:

Mod bias. well, no shit I dont think they like you very much, and that can be a dangerous thing (they wouldnt like me either if i voiced all my true opinions about the world)

Voice your true opinions, don't let them scare you.



well, im terrified of what would happen, because my views are far more extreme than yours


Please tell me.

No, from what I have heard, most Americans* see the EU as an economically and militarily weak alliance stifled by bureaucracy and decaying socialist institutions.

* That is, most Americans who are aware of the EU in the first place, and are capable of informed reasoning on the subject.
Isnt it though? Lets be fair. Its still in its embryonic stages, so I dont expect it to be a political miracle, but a work in progress. Case point: The United States post-War of Independence. It took till 1789 (I beleive) to actually graduate to a mature country from a fractional confederacy.

I give the EU credit, and hope it succeeds. However, it faces problems like any other political institution.
Quite. What I was challenging was the view that it is a Fourth Reich which will take on America and destroy the world ina nuclear holocaust. Which is what Lex Luger, the late Mr Savage, seems to be suggesting.

A good point, but are any of us here taking Lex Luger seriously, or his counterparts on the other side of the debate? Though, Im glad certain politicians and people with "power" but no intellect generally avoid Nationstates and his arguments. :)

Einstein makes a good point about human stupidity, heh.

I'm not listening to his arguments anymore, they offer no new points, as said above.

well, no shit I dont think they like you very much, and that can be a dangerous thing (they wouldnt like me either if i voiced all my true opinions about the world)

What do you base that on? The rules are the rules, regardless of the mods personal opinions. If you break them, you get deleted.

MWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! :lol: c'mon now, you dont think the mods are completely without bias, and flaws do you? i could go on, but i care far too much about my nation to go and risk everything on a post. (ill leave it at that for right now)

As far as enforcing the rules of this site, yes, I do think they are without bias. I think, as people, of course they are biased towards whatever their beliefs are. But the reason they were chosen to be mods, and continue to be mods, is because they've shown an ability to become impartial when needed.

Wait, I know what this is. This is like five drunken frat boys sitting around a computer having a laugh and putting the wind up on a political posting board. Now I get it. Okay, kids, you've had your fun, just remember to take asprin before you go to bed (not Tylenol because it can wreck your kidneys) and drink at least one 8 ounce glass of water for every alcoholic beverage you consumed.

Too late, I've already taken the Tylenol, should I induce vomitting?

No, from what I have heard, most Americans* see the EU as an economically and militarily weak alliance stifled by bureaucracy and decaying socialist institutions.

* That is, most Americans who are aware of the EU in the first place, and are capable of informed reasoning on the subject.
Isnt it though? Lets be fair. Its still in its embryonic stages, so I dont expect it to be a political miracle, but a work in progress. Case point: The United States post-War of Independence. It took till 1789 (I beleive) to actually graduate to a mature country from a fractional confederacy.

I give the EU credit, and hope it succeeds. However, it faces problems like any other political institution.
Quite. What I was challenging was the view that it is a Fourth Reich which will take on America and destroy the world ina nuclear holocaust. Which is what Lex Luger, the late Mr Savage, seems to be suggesting.

A good point, but are any of us here taking Lex Luger seriously, or his counterparts on the other side of the debate? Though, Im glad certain politicians and people with "power" but no intellect generally avoid Nationstates and his arguments. :)

Einstein makes a good point about human stupidity, heh.

I'm not listening to his arguments anymore, they offer no new points, as said above.


The only other aruments here are pointless America bashing and brainless patriotism.

I just want to keep this topic on something resembling an intellectual basis.

Did you notice how before Randy/Lex showed up, TG, a European, and me, an American, were having a completely civil conversation without resorting to attacking each other's nationality?

Did I refer specifically to you? Then again, isnt it the mark of maturity to be above degeneration to his level?

No, but I was making a point. Randy/Lex is the one who has caused this thread to degenerate. We may all pretend to be mature, but when someone attacks a part of you that is very close, i.e. national pride, most everyone would respond angrily. It's only natural for people to be angry with his comments. He's the one who came in and spoiled a decent conversation with flame-baiting anti-everything-that-isn't-American rhetoric.

Much as I liked the level of the conversation before he came in, I think its good to have a bit of perspective here. He offers a contrast to more enlightened views of the nature of diplomacy, and WHY it is both sides need to sit down and get things straight. In that case, he is the catalyst for a debate that probably needs to be gotten out of the way, despite the tone it is taking. Otherwise, it would be bubbling in each of our thoughts and jsut under the surface of our posts.

He offers nothing. All he does is espouse the same tired rhetoric post after post, attack people when they disagree, refuse to even accept opposing viewpoints, deny anything he says is wrong, and cry foul for the same things he does to other people. He doesn't really encourage intelligent debate any more than The Red Arrow. There are plenty of intelligent, reasonable conservatives on this forum who, while not agreeing with, I can at least respect. Kwangistar comes to mind. All he does is anger people.

However, it is precisely people like Lex who are the ones we need to argue with and change/enlighten. I dont know about you, but Im not worried about intelligent conservatives or liberals, but those who lack the mental capacity to fully understand their positions. I worry about those people who are like him, and manage to convince others too apathetic to stand up for their beliefs.

Wait, I know what this is. This is like five drunken frat boys sitting around a computer having a laugh and putting the wind up on a political posting board. Now I get it. Okay, kids, you've had your fun, just remember to take asprin before you go to bed (not Tylenol because it can wreck your kidneys) and drink at least one 8 ounce glass of water for every alcoholic beverage you consumed.

Too late, I've already taken the Tylenol, should I induce vomitting?

Possibly. It all depends, though. I mean, you do have two kidneys so perhaps sacrificing one to the Party Gods is okay.

I just want to keep this topic on something resembling an intellectual basis.

Did you notice how before Randy/Lex showed up, TG, a European, and me, an American, were having a completely civil conversation without resorting to attacking each other's nationality?

Did I refer specifically to you? Then again, isnt it the mark of maturity to be above degeneration to his level?

No, but I was making a point. Randy/Lex is the one who has caused this thread to degenerate. We may all pretend to be mature, but when someone attacks a part of you that is very close, i.e. national pride, most everyone would respond angrily. It's only natural for people to be angry with his comments. He's the one who came in and spoiled a decent conversation with flame-baiting anti-everything-that-isn't-American rhetoric.

Much as I liked the level of the conversation before he came in, I think its good to have a bit of perspective here. He offers a contrast to more enlightened views of the nature of diplomacy, and WHY it is both sides need to sit down and get things straight. In that case, he is the catalyst for a debate that probably needs to be gotten out of the way, despite the tone it is taking. Otherwise, it would be bubbling in each of our thoughts and jsut under the surface of our posts.

He offers nothing. All he does is espouse the same tired rhetoric post after post, attack people when they disagree, refuse to even accept opposing viewpoints, deny anything he says is wrong, and cry foul for the same things he does to other people. He doesn't really encourage intelligent debate any more than The Red Arrow. There are plenty of intelligent, reasonable conservatives on this forum who, while not agreeing with, I can at least respect. Kwangistar comes to mind. All he does is anger people.

However, it is precisely people like Lex who are the ones we need to argue with and change/enlighten. I dont know about you, but Im not worried about intelligent conservatives or liberals, but those who lack the mental capacity to fully understand their positions. I worry about thsoe people who are like him, and manage to convince others too apathetic to stand up for their beliefs.

Too late, I already have a cult. :)

No, from what I have heard, most Americans* see the EU as an economically and militarily weak alliance stifled by bureaucracy and decaying socialist institutions.

* That is, most Americans who are aware of the EU in the first place, and are capable of informed reasoning on the subject.
Isnt it though? Lets be fair. Its still in its embryonic stages, so I dont expect it to be a political miracle, but a work in progress. Case point: The United States post-War of Independence. It took till 1789 (I beleive) to actually graduate to a mature country from a fractional confederacy.

I give the EU credit, and hope it succeeds. However, it faces problems like any other political institution.
Quite. What I was challenging was the view that it is a Fourth Reich which will take on America and destroy the world ina nuclear holocaust. Which is what Lex Luger, the late Mr Savage, seems to be suggesting.

A good point, but are any of us here taking Lex Luger seriously, or his counterparts on the other side of the debate? Though, Im glad certain politicians and people with "power" but no intellect generally avoid Nationstates and his arguments. :)

Einstein makes a good point about human stupidity, heh.

I'm not listening to his arguments anymore, they offer no new points, as said above.


The only other aruments here are pointless America bashing and brainless patriotism.

Is it not true that you are trying to argue in favor of America and bashing Europe? While others are trying to defend Europe. We keep trying to bring up new points, but, pardon the saying, are like a broken record. You are just repeating the same stuff over and over again.

However, it is precisely people like Lex who are the ones we need to argue with and change/enlighten. I dont know about you, but Im not worried about intelligent conservatives or liberals, but those who lack the mental capacity to fully understand their positions. I worry about thsoe people who are like him, and manage to convince others too apathetic to stand up for their beliefs.

People like him are beyond changing. You will never convince someone like Randy/Lex, or Raysia, or TRA that they are wrong, or that maybe there is the remotest possibility that there is another way to look at something. They've shown time and again that they are so self-assured of their own correctness that no amount of logic or reasoning will convince them of anything other than what they already believe.

Great day for Europeans bad day for everybody else.

Sir, you are perilously close to making me lose my religion.

You are an uniformed idiot living in a twisted bomb shelter of your own imagination. Not only do your opinions only represent the fringe of the fringe, but they are an insult to everyone in this country who is trying to do good. Throughout this entire thread you have not said a single fact, except to glancingly mention them and completely misapply them. Please, for the good of the United States that you claim to hold so dear, seek professional help.

Okay, sometimes mudslinging is fun. :)

Too bad it had to happen in this thread. :(

I still think it's a good thing and extend my fondest wishes and hopes of peace to the EU, if anyone cares. Perhaps someday, maybe our children will learn to get along and like each other.

getting a little angry ar we?

Yes. And it's wrong. And I'm sorry.i wouldnt worry if i were you, they probably wont say anything :wink:

Mod bias. well, no shit I dont think they like you very much, and that can be a dangerous thing (they wouldnt like me either if i voiced all my true opinions about the world)

Voice your true opinions, don't let them scare you.



well, im terrified of what would happen, because my views are far more extreme than yours


Please tell me.

okay, i dont even know why canada and mexico exist. we should have annexed them long ago. we shouldnt let any institution that could challenge our superiority exist.

there, ill leave it at that

I just want to keep this topic on something resembling an intellectual basis.

Did you notice how before Randy/Lex showed up, TG, a European, and me, an American, were having a completely civil conversation without resorting to attacking each other's nationality?

Did I refer specifically to you? Then again, isnt it the mark of maturity to be above degeneration to his level?

No, but I was making a point. Randy/Lex is the one who has caused this thread to degenerate. We may all pretend to be mature, but when someone attacks a part of you that is very close, i.e. national pride, most everyone would respond angrily. It's only natural for people to be angry with his comments. He's the one who came in and spoiled a decent conversation with flame-baiting anti-everything-that-isn't-American rhetoric.

Much as I liked the level of the conversation before he came in, I think its good to have a bit of perspective here. He offers a contrast to more enlightened views of the nature of diplomacy, and WHY it is both sides need to sit down and get things straight. In that case, he is the catalyst for a debate that probably needs to be gotten out of the way, despite the tone it is taking. Otherwise, it would be bubbling in each of our thoughts and jsut under the surface of our posts.

He offers nothing. All he does is espouse the same tired rhetoric post after post, attack people when they disagree, refuse to even accept opposing viewpoints, deny anything he says is wrong, and cry foul for the same things he does to other people. He doesn't really encourage intelligent debate any more than The Red Arrow. There are plenty of intelligent, reasonable conservatives on this forum who, while not agreeing with, I can at least respect. Kwangistar comes to mind. All he does is anger people.

However, it is precisely people like Lex who are the ones we need to argue with and change/enlighten. I dont know about you, but Im not worried about intelligent conservatives or liberals, but those who lack the mental capacity to fully understand their positions. I worry about thsoe people who are like him, and manage to convince others too apathetic to stand up for their beliefs.

Too late, I already have a cult. :)

Did you ever consider Scientology?

However, it is precisely people like Lex who are the ones we need to argue with and change/enlighten. I dont know about you, but Im not worried about intelligent conservatives or liberals, but those who lack the mental capacity to fully understand their positions. I worry about thsoe people who are like him, and manage to convince others too apathetic to stand up for their beliefs.

People like him are beyond changing. You will never convince someone like Randy/Lex, or Raysia, or TRA that they are wrong, or that maybe there is the remotest possibility that there is another way to look at something. They've shown time and again that they are so self-assured of their own correctness that no amount of logic or reasoning will convince them of anything other than what they already believe.


You are just like us, You think you are always right and everybody else is wrong.

well, no shit I dont think they like you very much, and that can be a dangerous thing (they wouldnt like me either if i voiced all my true opinions about the world)

What do you base that on? The rules are the rules, regardless of the mods personal opinions. If you break them, you get deleted.

MWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! :lol: c'mon now, you dont think the mods are completely without bias, and flaws do you? i could go on, but i care far too much about my nation to go and risk everything on a post. (ill leave it at that for right now)

As far as enforcing the rules of this site, yes, I do think they are without bias. I think, as people, of course they are biased towards whatever their beliefs are. But the reason they were chosen to be mods, and continue to be mods, is because they've shown an ability to become impartial when needed.
what about amerigo? what happened to him? he used to be a mod

I just want to keep this topic on something resembling an intellectual basis.

Did you notice how before Randy/Lex showed up, TG, a European, and me, an American, were having a completely civil conversation without resorting to attacking each other's nationality?

Did I refer specifically to you? Then again, isnt it the mark of maturity to be above degeneration to his level?

No, but I was making a point. Randy/Lex is the one who has caused this thread to degenerate. We may all pretend to be mature, but when someone attacks a part of you that is very close, i.e. national pride, most everyone would respond angrily. It's only natural for people to be angry with his comments. He's the one who came in and spoiled a decent conversation with flame-baiting anti-everything-that-isn't-American rhetoric.

Much as I liked the level of the conversation before he came in, I think its good to have a bit of perspective here. He offers a contrast to more enlightened views of the nature of diplomacy, and WHY it is both sides need to sit down and get things straight. In that case, he is the catalyst for a debate that probably needs to be gotten out of the way, despite the tone it is taking. Otherwise, it would be bubbling in each of our thoughts and jsut under the surface of our posts.

He offers nothing. All he does is espouse the same tired rhetoric post after post, attack people when they disagree, refuse to even accept opposing viewpoints, deny anything he says is wrong, and cry foul for the same things he does to other people. He doesn't really encourage intelligent debate any more than The Red Arrow. There are plenty of intelligent, reasonable conservatives on this forum who, while not agreeing with, I can at least respect. Kwangistar comes to mind. All he does is anger people.

However, it is precisely people like Lex who are the ones we need to argue with and change/enlighten. I dont know about you, but Im not worried about intelligent conservatives or liberals, but those who lack the mental capacity to fully understand their positions. I worry about thsoe people who are like him, and manage to convince others too apathetic to stand up for their beliefs.

Too late, I already have a cult. :)

Did you ever consider Scientology?


That fake religion.

However, it is precisely people like Lex who are the ones we need to argue with and change/enlighten. I dont know about you, but Im not worried about intelligent conservatives or liberals, but those who lack the mental capacity to fully understand their positions. I worry about thsoe people who are like him, and manage to convince others too apathetic to stand up for their beliefs.

People like him are beyond changing. You will never convince someone like Randy/Lex, or Raysia, or TRA that they are wrong, or that maybe there is the remotest possibility that there is another way to look at something. They've shown time and again that they are so self-assured of their own correctness that no amount of logic or reasoning will convince them of anything other than what they already believe.

Well we cant ignore them if they gain power or prestige, and we cant lock them away somewhere. Yes, you could kill them, but how different are WE then from them?

Its a bit of a Catch-22.

However, it is precisely people like Lex who are the ones we need to argue with and change/enlighten. I dont know about you, but Im not worried about intelligent conservatives or liberals, but those who lack the mental capacity to fully understand their positions. I worry about thsoe people who are like him, and manage to convince others too apathetic to stand up for their beliefs.

People like him are beyond changing. You will never convince someone like Randy/Lex, or Raysia, or TRA that they are wrong, or that maybe there is the remotest possibility that there is another way to look at something. They've shown time and again that they are so self-assured of their own correctness that no amount of logic or reasoning will convince them of anything other than what they already believe.


You are just like us, You think you are always right and everybody else is wrong.

You're right, I do. Ooh, catch-22.

People like him are beyond changing. You will never convince someone like Randy/Lex, or Raysia, or TRA that they are wrong, or that maybe there is the remotest possibility that there is another way to look at something. They've shown time and again that they are so self-assured of their own correctness that no amount of logic or reasoning will convince them of anything other than what they already believe.

But shouldn't we at least try? Doesn't it say something much worse about us if we knowingly write them off as irretrievable?

Well, to be fair, the EU is partially led by France, which describes itseld as a counterweight to the US. While Lex is again exaggerating, many Americans might be concerned by the creation of an anti-American European superstate.
I doubt it is even on the radar of many Americans. I was watching several US news channels on satellite, and the issue was hardly covered. Just a tiny announcement between Michael Jackson being a pervert and the sports news.

Well, to be fair, the EU is partially led by France, which describes itseld as a counterweight to the US. While Lex is again exaggerating, many Americans might be concerned by the creation of an anti-American European superstate.
I doubt it is even on the radar of many Americans. I was watching several US news channels on satellite, and the issue was hardly covered. Just a tiny announcement between Michael Jackson being a pervert and the sports news.


Fox News was very into it.

Well, to be fair, the EU is partially led by France, which describes itseld as a counterweight to the US. While Lex is again exaggerating, many Americans might be concerned by the creation of an anti-American European superstate.
I doubt it is even on the radar of many Americans. I was watching several US news channels on satellite, and the issue was hardly covered. Just a tiny announcement between Michael Jackson being a pervert and the sports news.

I think you're probably right, TG, which is a shame because it is a momentous day. Still, I guess it's a human characteristic to focus on what's most important and immediately relavent to them.

People like him are beyond changing. You will never convince someone like Randy/Lex, or Raysia, or TRA that they are wrong, or that maybe there is the remotest possibility that there is another way to look at something. They've shown time and again that they are so self-assured of their own correctness that no amount of logic or reasoning will convince them of anything other than what they already believe.

But shouldn't we at least try? Doesn't it say something much worse about us if we knowingly write them off as irretrievable?

We do try. When Randy/Lex first came on the scene, everyone tried arguing with him. I did too. But after two months of the exact same attitude about everything, it was obvious that nothing we said made any impact upon him. The same thing can be said about TRA. When he first came around, liberals and conservatives alike came together to try and point out his fallacies. But what do people do now? They ignore his threads. Why? Because it became painfully obvious that nothing we said was going to change his mind one bit. You can't convince a fish to get out of water.

Well, to be fair, the EU is partially led by France, which describes itseld as a counterweight to the US. While Lex is again exaggerating, many Americans might be concerned by the creation of an anti-American European superstate.
I doubt it is even on the radar of many Americans. I was watching several US news channels on satellite, and the issue was hardly covered. Just a tiny announcement between Michael Jackson being a pervert and the sports news.

Most of the intellectual people tend to have a healthy disregard for mainstream media. News has become melded with entertainment, and they KNOW their target market, hence why they appeal to it.

I am more inclined to trust C-SPAN, or even, forbid it, the DAILY SHOW over some of them.

I doubt it is even on the radar of many Americans. I was watching several US news channels on satellite, and the issue was hardly covered. Just a tiny announcement between Michael Jackson being a pervert and the sports news.
Fox News was very into it.
Their coverage was hardly "OMG, this means an alliance is taking shape which will eventually seek to destroy us with nukes!" Not even close.