NationStates Jolt Archive

Looking at voting now, I can see that it is likely that this resolution will pass, as disgusting as it is.

Since the ruling is vague, I will repeat what I heard another player saying on how to have it remain illegal (sort of).

Simply set the tax rates for the industry at an unsustainable rate, say 150%, 200%. Meaning that the industry will have to pay the government more money than they are making, and legal brotherals will fail. Police will continue to raid on "illegal" non-registered brotherals (which they will all be illegal since none of them will register to pay the 200% tax rate).

This allows you to do without prostitution and still abide by the resolution, I however will resign from the UN, this is a little too far out there in the left for my tastes.

although prostitution is a vile, horrfic and dirty practice, I do support this notion, as I don't agree that the government should be able to tell people what or what NOT to do with their bodies. Also, if we made it legal, so many other crimes against prostitutes would be eliminated. Also, if it was legal, we could put a tax on prostitution.

although prostitution is a vile, horrfic and dirty practice, I do support this notion, as I don't agree that the government should be able to tell people what or what NOT to do with their bodies. Also, if we made it legal, so many other crimes against prostitutes would be eliminated. Also, if it was legal, we could put a tax on prostitution.

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I wonder what it's going to take before one of you addresses what gives the UN the right to dictate the legality of prostitution within its member states? Is this not a gross invasion of national sovereignty?
http://www.nationstates.net/pages/faq.html#UN

You gave up part of your national sovereignty when you clicked the Accept link on your UN invitiation. Them's the breaks. Get over it or resign the UN.

No, not entirely. That is an overstatement. There is a difference between CAN and SHOULD. And from the tactics that I am observing, I'm beginning to think your votes aren't even representative.

I tire of the response: Get over it or leave. It is a trite response. We of the Holy Empire consider ourselves reformers. We find it intensely amusing that the irony exists that what would normally be considered such a hated dictatorship is in fact a reformer of a corrupted system that demands the right to abuse its priveleges.

If national sovereignty has been removed to the extent you claim, United Nations is an incorrect name. The Nation of "*****" is more accurate, with its government as a republican variation. Individual occurences should no longer be sent member nations because the "UN" will handle that. And, religious tolerance must be removed because it is openly defied by the current policies.

I wonder what it's going to take before one of you addresses what gives the UN the right to dictate the legality of prostitution within its member states? Is this not a gross invasion of national sovereignty?

This is an important point, and perhaps the reason why even those in favor of legalized traffic in women for sex should oppose this measure.

If your nation favors prostitution, this will happen:

1) the resolution passes, you have not changed; prostitution is not somehow more legal than before within your borders. You have not benefitted.
2) the resolution fails. you have not changed; prostitution is still legal within your borders and you have not been harmed.

If your nation opposes prostitution, this will happen:

1) the resulution passes, you just have been forced to allow people to traffic in women (and children) for money. You have been harmed, your national sovereignty violated.
2) the resolution fails, you have not changed; prostitution is still illegal within your borders and you have not been harmed.

The only solution to this issue that harms no nation is to vote this resolution down. The passing of this resolution immediately harms those nations which oppose prostitution and sets a precedent for compromising the sovereignty of all nations within their own borders.

We of the Grand Atoll implore this august body: please vote against this proposal.

precisely.

Prostitutes also have amazing amounts of violence committed against them, both sexual and just assault types.

One of the major reasons for all of this, one could argue, is that it is a hidden profession. They are "dirty" and "vile" and they are outlawed, so they live in the shadows, where they are brutalized and taken advantage of.

While legalizing prostitution would not create Julia Roberts, it would allow for people who chose to be prostitutes, and yes, there are people who do (look at articles about the mustang ranch, some of those prostitues chose, there are other examples as well) to do so in safety, and it would also END the sexual and physical abuse against prostitutes as well as the illegal trade in humans created by the sex industry.

My point is, that the outlawing of prostitution doesn't seem to have stopped it, in fact, in many ways it has made it worse... therefore...

Thank you for a very well stated arguement!

The Confederation of Mikitivity will vote in favour of the UN endorsement for the legalization of prostitution among its member states, with the hopes that by doing so, more governments will STOP ignoring the problems associated with it. Clearly a government has a resonsibility to address the issue, but for years policies of ignoring the problem haven't worked. Perhaps it is time for a change for the better!

Prostitutes also have amazing amounts of violence committed against them, both sexual and just assault types.

One of the major reasons for all of this, one could argue, is that it is a hidden profession. They are "dirty" and "vile" and they are outlawed, so they live in the shadows, where they are brutalized and taken advantage of.

While legalizing prostitution would not create Julia Roberts, it would allow for people who chose to be prostitutes, and yes, there are people who do (look at articles about the mustang ranch, some of those prostitues chose, there are other examples as well) to do so in safety, and it would also END the sexual and physical abuse against prostitutes as well as the illegal trade in humans created by the sex industry.

My point is, that the outlawing of prostitution doesn't seem to have stopped it, in fact, in many ways it has made it worse... therefore...

Thank you for a very well stated arguement!

The Confederation of Mikitivity will vote in favour of the UN endorsement for the legalization of prostitution among its member states, with the hopes that by doing so, more governments will STOP ignoring the problems associated with it. Clearly a government has a resonsibility to address the issue, but for years policies of ignoring the problem haven't worked. Perhaps it is time for a change for the better!

How exactly will legalization of prostitution benefit anything? People can still be kidnapped and forced into prostitution (and worse yet, slavery) by those who avoid the laws, and especially in countries not part of the UN.

How exactly would you set up testing for STD's? Would you require a nation to have their prostitutes tested every time they do the deed? Or would you suggest that every citizen and visitor to a nation get tested for STD's, barring them from brothels? This is effectively what it would take and would cause an enormous drain on resources.

The Kingdom of Corriene does not see how protecting prostitutes differs from normal human protection laws, and cannot support this proposal as it does not seem to have any real benefits.

Something of this nature almost demands government regulation, if it is legalized they can form unions, get insurance, child care and a number of other benefits(plus we can tax them)

Allderraan is completely against legalization of prostitution. While we do not believe it should be illegal, we believe it degrades women and is thus almost thoroughly nonexistant in our matriarchal culture. We also beleve it to be a sin, and that it is God's place to judge, not society's. So therefore, Allderraan will choose to vote against this issue

Something of this nature almost demands government regulation, if it is legalized they can form unions, get insurance, child care and a number of other benefits(plus we can tax them)

Spoken like a true Liberal!

How exactly will legalization of prostitution benefit anything? People can still be kidnapped and forced into prostitution (and worse yet, slavery) by those who avoid the laws, and especially in countries not part of the UN.

How exactly would you set up testing for STD's? Would you require a nation to have their prostitutes tested every time they do the deed? Or would you suggest that every citizen and visitor to a nation get tested for STD's, barring them from brothels? This is effectively what it would take and would cause an enormous drain on resources.

The Kingdom of Corriene does not see how protecting prostitutes differs from normal human protection laws, and cannot support this proposal as it does not seem to have any real benefits.

The UN proposal said nothing about STDs. If Corriene would like to set up a testing program (when the resolution passes -- and it looks like it will), perhaps Corriene would be so kind as to share the information of its program with other UN Members?

But to answer your question, it is the opinion of the people of Mikitivity that by legalizing prostitution, that governments will be recognizing it and thus may BETTER separate the viticims from the criminals that are taking advatnage of the illicit nature of prostitution in many countries (of which Mikitivity is not one, prostitution is already legal and regulated like most everything else in our Confedertion).

History has shown that when goverments prohibit things just as alcohol (the United States once did), that this can lead to INCREASED violence and organized crime. Black markets may still exist, but a nation with good leadership will find a way to MINIZIME the human rights abuses that illegal prostitution promotes.

The key here is REDUCE, not ELIMINATE, crimes associated with prostitution.


Think of social problems like you'd think of physical / environmental problems. Technology (in the case of physical problems) or Policy (in the case of social problems) will never be a complete fix. Humans will always generate waste. Humans will always take advantage of other humans. But this does not mean that governments should remain idle while environmental deregation or human rights abuses continue to GROW.

We, the Confederation of Mikitivity, urge you to reconsider your planned vote on the resolution before the Assembly by remembering what happened to the United States when alcohol was prohibited vs. after the prohibition was lifted.

Allderraan is completely against legalization of prostitution. While we do not believe it should be illegal, we believe it degrades women

While there are male prostitutes, women are by far the majority. This would reduce women and change their image entirely. If you want proof of this, think of the pornography industry and the magazine industry. With their images of "perfect" women, there is not one woman that is unaffected. Many end up unhappy with their bodies and depressed. Men, in turn, will begin to look upon women as objects and will not respect them for what they are.

How exactly will legalization of prostitution benefit anything? People can still be kidnapped and forced into prostitution (and worse yet, slavery) by those who avoid the laws, and especially in countries not part of the UN.

How exactly would you set up testing for STD's? Would you require a nation to have their prostitutes tested every time they do the deed? Or would you suggest that every citizen and visitor to a nation get tested for STD's, barring them from brothels? This is effectively what it would take and would cause an enormous drain on resources.

The Kingdom of Corriene does not see how protecting prostitutes differs from normal human protection laws, and cannot support this proposal as it does not seem to have any real benefits.

The UN proposal said nothing about STDs. If Corriene would like to set up a testing program (when the resolution passes -- and it looks like it will), perhaps Corriene would be so kind as to share the information of its program with other UN Members?

But to answer your question, it is the opinion of the people of Mikitivity that by legalizing prostitution, that governments will be recognizing it and thus may BETTER separate the viticims from the criminals that are taking advatnage of the illicit nature of prostitution in many countries (of which Mikitivity is not one, prostitution is already legal and regulated like most everything else in our Confedertion).

History has shown that when goverments prohibit things just as alcohol (the United States once did), that this can lead to INCREASED violence and organized crime. Black markets may still exist, but a nation with good leadership will find a way to MINIZIME the human rights abuses that illegal prostitution promotes.

The key here is REDUCE, not ELIMINATE, crimes associated with prostitution.


Think of social problems like you'd think of physical / environmental problems. Technology (in the case of physical problems) or Policy (in the case of social problems) will never be a complete fix. Humans will always generate waste. Humans will always take advantage of other humans. But this does not mean that governments should remain idle while environmental deregation or human rights abuses continue to GROW.

We, the Confederation of Mikitivity, urge you to reconsider your planned vote on the resolution before the Assembly by remembering what happened to the United States when alcohol was prohibited vs. after the prohibition was lifted.

Something of this nature almost demands government regulation, if it is legalized they can form unions, get insurance, child care and a number of other benefits(plus we can tax them)

Exactly!



How exactly will legalization of prostitution benefit anything? People can still be kidnapped and forced into prostitution (and worse yet, slavery) by those who avoid the laws, and especially in countries not part of the UN.

How exactly would you set up testing for STD's? Would you require a nation to have their prostitutes tested every time they do the deed? Or would you suggest that every citizen and visitor to a nation get tested for STD's, barring them from brothels? This is effectively what it would take and would cause an enormous drain on resources.

The Kingdom of Corriene does not see how protecting prostitutes differs from normal human protection laws, and cannot support this proposal as it does not seem to have any real benefits.

The UN proposal said nothing about STDs. If Corriene would like to set up a testing program (when the resolution passes -- and it looks like it will), perhaps Corriene would be so kind as to share the information of its program with other UN Members?

But to answer your question, it is the opinion of the people of Mikitivity that by legalizing prostitution, that governments will be recognizing it and thus may BETTER separate the viticims from the criminals that are taking advatnage of the illicit nature of prostitution in many countries (of which Mikitivity is not one, prostitution is already legal and regulated like most everything else in our Confedertion).

History has shown that when goverments prohibit things just as alcohol (the United States once did), that this can lead to INCREASED violence and organized crime. Black markets may still exist, but a nation with good leadership will find a way to MINIZIME the human rights abuses that illegal prostitution promotes.

The key here is REDUCE, not ELIMINATE, crimes associated with prostitution.


Think of social problems like you'd think of physical / environmental problems. Technology (in the case of physical problems) or Policy (in the case of social problems) will never be a complete fix. Humans will always generate waste. Humans will always take advantage of other humans. But this does not mean that governments should remain idle while environmental deregation or human rights abuses continue to GROW.

We, the Confederation of Mikitivity, urge you to reconsider your planned vote on the resolution before the Assembly by remembering what happened to the United States when alcohol was prohibited vs. after the prohibition was lifted.

No one has the right to decide whether a profession is immoral and should be gone. Unless you're a prostitute you have no say whatsoever in this matter. The Hiigaran Fleet is against this proposal, but since we aren't part of the UN we have no say. We can only hope you all make the right decision.

The Commonweatlh of Cascadian States demands that prostitution be legalized. Given our high standards of workplace safety laws and our strict enforcement of them, along with our almost non-existent crime rate, prostitutes would be well cared for in our society. Also, we object to prostitutes being placed in an underground economy where they cannot be taxed! We are dependent on tourism, and feel that clean, legal brothels will be a welcome addition to our eco-tourism sector.

I have said this multiple times. I would support the legalization of prostitution, but this proposal is entirely open-ended. As with any legal profession, there are always policies and regulations that govern that profession. This proposal makes no regulations on prostitution. At the very least, a system needs to be adopted where prostitutes must be checked regularly for STDs and other diseases. Otherwise this entire UN is asking for serious trouble. As for my own country, we will implement these regulations regardless of what the pitiful, pathetic United Nations says. I urge everyone to either vote against this proposal or change your vote to against it until someone offers a regulated legalization of prostitution.

The Holy Republic of Beaumontia is a socially liberal state. Sexual freedoms are prevalent in our society, be it legalised same-sex marriage or a strong sex education programme.

However prostitution is not something to be condoned, it is the slavery of those who are often trapped in poverty and destitution. A person's body is sacred and should not be treated as a commodity.

If this resolution passes the Holy Republic shall remain a part of the UN, however we will be deeply disappointed in the international community.

I'm still concerned that the vast majority of participants are somewhat undereducated in things like 'The Real World' and 'The Sex Industry' and other lofty academic subjects the common delegate has no possible access to.

Oh wait. You do. Silly me.

You're all caught up in this lovely little dream that prostitutes are all lovely little high class call girls, some of who've had the misfortune to not hand in their union application on time.

Weak. Very weak. The vast majority of prostitutes are slaves. Kidnapped or sold into the industry, pimped out *against their will*. Legalising that is stupid.

One of Gigglealias renowned civil rights activist was recently quoted as saying :
" This proposal is no better than 'Make the niggers slaves again' or 'Burn the jews' or any of the other ignorant crap you malignantly stupid fools spout at predicatable interviews like a vile blowhole. Its very essence is based on ignorance. "


Gigglealian citizens spit on you plebian fools. As much as I try and stop them, they just insist on continuing. I don't blame them either.

One of our famous academics was overheard recently to say "I'm of the hope that the weak willed idiots all catch STD's and their genitals fall off". Whilst such strong statements from our academics does on occassion draw international backlash, it's a sentiment that he is not alone in.

As a new member to the UN (having completed my application 2 minutes ago), I am delighted to see that this issue is being debated. May I offer my full support for this bill to be accepted.

There are numerous reasons as to why prostitution should be legalised. Firstly, we now live in a society where sexual taboo is ever decreasing. People are more aware of there sexuality and sexual preferences and are less inclined to be ashamed of them. I think that people are now open-minded enough to accept that people like to have sex, and if there is a market for buying it, then it will be used regardless of its legislation. The important matter is how this industry is conducted.

The major priority must be the safety of the prostitutes themselves. By having legalised brothels, security can be in place to protect the girls against violent punters, the girls can also be kept away from class A drugs such as crack-cocaine and be issued with good quality contraceptives to protect both theirs and the customers health. The girls will also be freed from violent pimps and be given a fair wage for their services by the owners of the brothel. All of this can be government regulated.

Then of course there is the financial gain, nations lose millions in tax revenue by not taxing such establishments. The money earnt from this could go towards offering these girls support both in terms of their standard of living and their emotional well-being as well as offering further education for them so they do not have to rely on the prostitution industry all their lives. The potential benefits from this extra national revenue are endless.

Thirdly, the product itself will be improved. With bona fide businesses in competition with one another, the girls will be better looking, cleaner (in terms of health) and at a fairer price. This may sound a little ruthless to some, however, I suggest that people visit the top-notch brothels in Sydney. You don't have to use these particular services to enjoy yourself as the places are like big entertainment complexes and have a great atmostphere. The legalistion of prostitution is the way forward. I urge people to vote in favour of this sound proposed legislation

All the Best
Jimi

Well said.

Here's the view I posted during Nasicournia's debate of the current proposal (just to contribute ;)):

This is my reply for anyone who argues that this resolution should pass based on advocating the free choice of individuals to sell their bodies, and also includes other aspects of my view on the subject of why this proposal doesn't even belong in the UN.

Men and women should never have to make that choice. It should be our job as leaders of the government to make sure it never comes to that. The people that are forced into prostitution by poverty have no choice but to either starve or kill themselves from the inside out by compromising their integrity and selling their bodies to others. Children are sold into prostitution by parents who never wanted them and are too poor to keep them, etc.

Not only does this resolution encourage the degradation of other humans beings who are at a disadvantage, it also encourages us to believe that such lustful behavior is the norm. On top of everything else, this should never have went to the UN. It's a national matter, and the UN has no right to tell us we must or must not legalize prostitution.

Like my votes on other important issues, even if I wasn't against the principles of the proposal, I would vote against it--because it is resolutions of this class that continue to wreck havoc on national sovereignty and turn what should be national choices into United Nations mandates.

**Note that the Proposal also puts no age limit on prostitution**

Respectfully,

High Queen Pope Hope IV
Regional Delegate/Founder of Nasicournia

For those countries that vote no simply because of no age restriction being placed on the proposal, perhaps it was put that way so that each individual nation can put their own age limit on it without the proposal being explicit in itself.

Instead of the proposal being put into law as is, I think each nation puts their own interpretation on it, such as including an age restriction of their own choice.

Why should we leave age restrictions to the nations themselves when we already impinge upon their national sovereignty by demanding they legalize and regulate this practice? That is inconsistent. If you are to impinge, fulfill your obligations or do not bother. Half-done work is tiresome.

We say do not impinge, but I think that a worthy response.

Sex is not a moral issue, except to the extent where the issue of consent is concerned. Sex is primarily a dick-going-into-a-pussy issue.

i agree witht this guy