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One of the most ignorant proposals I've had the misfortune to read.

The vast majority of sex industry workers are illegally imported or procured sex slaves, often imported from the Asia region, entirely against their will.

The concept of a high class call girl a.k.a Julia Roberts in 'Pretty Woman' or anything of the sort is exactly that- a hollywood concept. Real life is much grimmer. At last count- over 2 million women and girls are sold into the sex slave industry *each year*, largely to be imported into western countries.

It's a vile trade and it's a vile person who supports it.

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Well, while I don't agree with the proposal,
That's sort of the point isn't it? That it is a vile trade, however it occurs, all the time. constantly.

Some studies have concluded that on average a prostitute, male or female, is raped over 33 times a year.
Now some would argue how can you say someone like that can be raped, and that is just absurd. Others would argue that every time a prostitute has sex it is rape, and while that has some merits, I don't necessarilly agree.

Prostitutes also have amazing amounts of violence committed against them, both sexual and just assault types.

One of the major reasons for all of this, one could argue, is that it is a hidden profession. They are "dirty" and "vile" and they are outlawed, so they live in the shadows, where they are brutalized and taken advantage of.

While legalizing prostitution would not create Julia Roberts, it would allow for people who chose to be prostitutes, and yes, there are people who do (look at articles about the mustang ranch, some of those prostitues chose, there are other examples as well) to do so in safety, and it would also END the sexual and physical abuse against prostitutes as well as the illegal trade in humans created by the sex industry.

My point is, that the outlawing of prostitution doesn't seem to have stopped it, in fact, in many ways it has made it worse... therefore...

There are certainly many, many horrors and tragedies in the prostitution situation today, however it seems that no one wonders what might change about that if prostitution were legalized. Legalized prostitution does not mean that rape, battery, and other such acts against the women would be legalized along with it. If prostitution were legal, the women involved would cease to be criminals, and this would allow for laws that could protect their rights specifically. I believe the forcible, illegal sale and purchase of women imported for that purpose would also change, as today it is a prosperous industry largely because it is an illegal one.

Indeed, the Hollywood concept of a prostitute is a fantasy, but perhaps with legalization and new protectorate laws, it can become more of a reality. Those who oppose prostitution on a purely moral basis fail to exhibit the fact that some women DO chose to be prostitutes, and it should be their right to do so. No two people are in total agreement over what one should be allowed to do with their own body, and the law should reflect this as well, at least to some extent.

There is no valid reason to ban a consensual activity such as prostitution.

The Confederacy of Caligatio sees this as a distinctly moral issue.

Prostitution is a disgusting "trade," and there is good reason for it to be criminalized. It fosters drug abuse and inner-city trouble.

As it is a moral issue, Caligatio hopes to see it fail in its bid to become a resolution for the general assembly to vote on.

The U.N. has a history of of making the wrong decision regarding moral issues, including the bill to legalize euthanasia which my country has the fortunate ability to ignore, and has summarily criminalized it. If this resolution regarding prostitution were to come before the general assembly, I would hope that it would be voted down.

The reasoning that we should legalize it because making it illegal has allegedly made it worse is faulty and has been used in other situations, especially marijuana and other drugs. Such ideas flee from reasoning and murder logic.

Todd M.
President of the Confederacy of Caligatio

Sex is not a moral issue, except to the extent where the issue of consent is concerned. Sex is primarily a dick-going-into-a-pussy issue.

Caligatio, tell me about those 'situations'

The reasoning that we should legalize it because making it illegal has allegedly made it worse is faulty and has been used in other situations, especially marijuana and other drugs. Such ideas flee from reasoning and murder logic.

The Confederacy of Caligatio apologizes if its intentions were not made clear in what it felt to be a rather clear statement.

The Empire of Kukonaitsu feels compelled to correct a misconception of views.

Prostitution as an illegal act/profession is not "made worse" by remaining illegal. It is, however devoid and excluded of certain rights as a profession because of the fact that it is illegal. A woman prostitute cannot file suit against a pimp for treating her unequally in the work place, or whatever the equivalent may be. Such an attempt would be met with trouble on all sides, especially from the side of the law. Her conditions could be improved if the law could disregard her profession as what it is (however they may perceive it personally), treat it as her way of making a living, and look at the real issue of abuse or whatever the problem may be.

It is also very important to understand that prostitution is not exclusively found in its slave trade form. Although it is, indeed a moral issue, the argument here is whether or not it is an issue that a government should decide for the individual, thereby telling that individual that there are restrictions on how they may use their own person.

Whatever the UN has done in the past, it is important to view each issue in its own right and see it for what it is--not in comparison to what already was.

- The Empress of Kukonaitsu thanks you for your time and apologizes for rambling

The delegate from Caligatio is hopefully able to put aside his righteous wroth a little bit more in order to follow a conversation.

What I believe the delegate was asking you is how has it proved to be faulty in those other situations.

more specifically, while it is a wonderfully poetic phrase, how exactly do those examples "flee from reasoning and murder logic."

The Delegates of the Republic of SilveryMinnow support the Resolution. It is only fair that the Worlds Second oldest profession be entitled to the same benefits as Lawyers, Doctors, and the Government.

P.S. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

We believe consenting adults should be allowed to use their body as they wish.

We believe a de-criminalization will make it easier to reach those who are unhappy with their situation and the stop trafficking in women and drug abuse.

We believe the criminalization of prostitution drives it ungerground where the women and men of the trade are completely at the mecy of their customers.

As mentioned previously, we of the Theocracy of Mahou Gakuen support this bill. As mentioned before, we hold the belief that so long as all people involved are doing it of their own consent, there should be no reason to ban it. the fact that money is exchanged should not make any major difference.

Our primary fear in prostitution in its current form tends to take its form mainly in the fear that of the sums of money transferred between individuals in this act, very little of it actually goes to the people actually selling their bodies, with most of it going into the hands of their "agents". The lack of money they are supplied with perpetually forces them to remain in this situation, despite the fact that had they gotten most of the money given over their body, many of them would be able to get themselves a proper education, and be able to eventually find better and more insightful work.

Again, this is merely our nation's stance, but we will support this bill as is added, and sincerely hope others will follow us.

Catholic Europe does not support this resolution. Currently, prostitution is illegal in catholic Europe and we wish for it to stay that way believing that legalising it could lead to rise in sexual diseases and also a rise in adultery.

We in Eckstate dont agree with the proposal of free prostitution. We would rather see that its illegal to buy sex, not to sell. In that way we will cathch the men behind the women who sells them. Cause its not the girls that want to sell their bodys, its the men who wants to buy them!

We in Eckstate dont agree with the proposal of free prostitution. We would rather see that its illegal to buy sex, not to sell. In that way we will cathch the men behind the women who sells them. Cause its not the girls that want to sell their bodys, its the men who wants to buy them!

And also the people who pimp them need to be caught as well.

The Confederacy of Caligatio sees this as a distinctly moral issue.

Prostitution is a disgusting "trade," and there is good reason for it to be criminalized. It fosters drug abuse and inner-city trouble.



Evidence please...


As it is a moral issue, Caligatio hopes to see it fail in its bid to become a resolution for the general assembly to vote on.

The U.N. has a history of of making the wrong decision regarding moral issues, including the bill to legalize euthanasia which my country has the fortunate ability to ignore, and has summarily criminalized it. If this resolution regarding prostitution were to come before the general assembly, I would hope that it would be voted down.


I'm sorry, when did morality become objective? Your morals are different to mine, I believe the UN makes morally correct descisions (well the euthanasia bill was so leaky I had to vote against it) but fundamentally most have been sound - you disagree? Well that's your democratic right I suppose.


The reasoning that we should legalize it because making it illegal has allegedly made it worse is faulty and has been used in other situations, especially marijuana and other drugs. Such ideas flee from reasoning and murder logic.


No they don't - welcome to the real world.

FACT criminalisation of drugs and prostitution has done nothing to reduce the indulgence in either in society.

FACT criminalisation of drugs means that drugs prices are massively inflated, causing addicts to become destitute and turn to crime to fund their habit.

FACT marijuana is no more harmful than alcohol and marijuana causes less social problems than alcohol. If we tolerate alcohol why not marijuana?

FACT criminalisation of prostitution causes sex workers to fear the police and they are very unlikely to report the brutal assaults they suffer to the establishment.

Consent
1 : compliance in or approval of what is done or proposed by another
2 : agreement as to action or opinion

What part of that isn't clear? The compliance part? The approval part? The agreement part?

The *vast* majority of prostitutes do NOT consent. They are slaves. Sold or stolen into the industry, where they then dissapear into the back rooms of countless places all over the world. Drugged or beaten beyond awareness, a low life expectancy, after which they dissapear.

Legal prostitution 1) doesn't mean that ignorant fools will get more sex cheaper and 2) would affect a tiny fraction of prostitutes at best.

Wake up and smell reality kids. It's got nothing to do with the lifeless fools who visit prostitutes, it's to do with the basic human rights that are stripped of the people sold into the industry.

Granting carte blanche to the perpetrators 'because it's legal' would be the worst travesty ever in this virtual UN. I pity the poor real world that has you sex deprived fools as it's future leader :)

Consent
1 : compliance in or approval of what is done or proposed by another
2 : agreement as to action or opinion

What part of that isn't clear? The compliance part? The approval part? The agreement part?

The *vast* majority of prostitutes do NOT consent. They are slaves. Sold or stolen into the industry, where they then dissapear into the back rooms of countless places all over the world. Drugged or beaten beyond awareness, a low life expectancy, after which they dissapear.

Legal prostitution 1) doesn't mean that ignorant fools will get more sex cheaper and 2) would affect a tiny fraction of prostitutes at best.

Wake up and smell reality kids. It's got nothing to do with the lifeless fools who visit prostitutes, it's to do with the basic human rights that are stripped of the people sold into the industry.

Granting carte blanche to the perpetrators 'because it's legal' would be the worst travesty ever in this virtual UN. I pity the poor real world that has you sex deprived fools as it's future leader :)

Facts and Figures that's what you need. The real fact is has been little research done the "sex industry" and most of the evidence you cite is anecdotal at best.

I think we should be encouraging people to understand why members of our society take drugs and indulge in prostitution. But in the end our upbringings and experiences of the drug and sex "trade" vary wildly, as do our viewpoints.

The Rogue Nation of Mataradesh is in full support of this proposal. We believe it will give prostitutes and other sex workers a chance to make use of labor laws which will protect their safety. We do not understand the viewpoint of Caligatio and others, since it seems as if they are disregarding the horrors of the sex slave trade. Although it would be best to stop this trade altogether, and we are currently putting one together, the fact remains that as long as there is prostitution (and there always has been and always will be), we must at least give workers the same protection that they would get in other industries.

Red Empiric provences totally agrees. It seems absurd to quote statistics of rape and abuse against legalising the proffession, since that is the only way to stop such events occuring. We strongly urge UN members to support this resolution in the name of civil liberty.

This i clearly a great exampel of why liberty is a strange word. It can mean anything. Why make it possible for fat, rich, white men to take advantage over poor, goodlooking girls? It´s a mantrade, wich the Peoples republic of Aalidhem strongly reject. In our contry we make it possible for everyone to be a part of the healthy production instead. Love and money is a bisarr coalation. It´s not about moral, it´s about how to use people in the best way.

And by the way- is this really a UN issue? To force a country into something it should effect other countries. Like if a country are to liberal on drugs, we other might get it as well, but if a country is hard on drugs- it doesn´t affect my citisens. This is not a UN issue! VOTE NO!!!

Secretary General of Aalidhems Peoples Party:

Mikael Wallgren

While I would agree with the idea of legalizing prostitution, I cannot vote for this bill, as it is too vague. I do believe there should be codes in this law about stemming the spread of sexualy transmitted diseases and reaffirming the illegality of enforced prostitution. There should also be an age limit set on the practice, the general age of adulthood, 18. How do you propose to collect these taxes, stem the possible influx of sexually transmitted disease, and protect prostitues under this sysem?

I think the fact that this issue even made it this far, only highlights the fact the UN is made up of mostly 13-18 year old horny boys, who probably haven't ever even seen a real prostitute, save on an episode of Cops.

The Dictatorship of A. C. M. hereby states that is fully in favour of the legalization of prostitution. Of course, each country will make a more specific legislation on this issue, but in general, this bill should be aproved. We agree with the Shankara government, the bill is indeed to vague. But each country can work this law according to it's principles.

With this, topics such as prostitute rapping, transmission of STDs and many other already refered in this discussion can, if not erradicated, at least be controlled and taken the proper measures to fight them.

Absolute Support!

Give women back the power that they know how to manipulate so well. My only concerns are protection from "pimps" and proper regulation for STD's.

If this becomes legal.......the pimp must go! Hell! He's nothing but a parasitic wifebeater gobbling up the profit anyway. If this is legalized, prostitutes will have available to them the entire spectrum of labor rights available to other working people.

It goes without saying that the industry will have to meet OSHA standards of compliance. Condom and Dam usage, and Bi-Monthly blood and pap/penis tests should be the norm. TAX THE HELL OUT OF THEM ALSO!!

As for you women and men who are against this, take care of your own significant other properly at home and they won't engage in this behavior without your consent!! (U frickin' prudes!) For everyone else----YEAHHHHHAAAAAAA!! Let the fur fly!! No pun intended thank you.

-Danakar

The Rogue Nation of Mataradesh is in full support of this proposal. We believe it will give prostitutes and other sex workers a chance to make use of labor laws which will protect their safety...

The fact remains that as long as there is prostitution (and there always has been and always will be), we must at least give workers the same protection that they would get in other industries.

The Democratic Republic of Buffalovia is in agreement with the Rogue Nation of Mataradesh that the legalization of prosititution would allow for protection of prostitutes under national and international labor law.

Additionally, the process would allow the government of Buffalovia to tax the activity of prositution in order to provide more adequate funding for health care and individuals living under the poverty line. As their profession is illegal, prostitutes pay no income tax and "johns" pay no sales tax. By legalizing prostitution, the government is able to take advantage of that.

Furthermore, requirements will be put in place for regular medical checkups of prostitutes as well as frequent testing for sexually transmitted diseases. Prostitues or owners of brothels who fail to comply with this law would face a heavy fine and/or imprisonment. Additionally, any prostitute found to have a sexually transmitted disease would receive treatment through a government facility and would be forced to retire.

While prositution may be considered immoral to some groups of individuals, the fact is that its prohibition opens a vacuum in which the back market operates. By legalizing/decriminalizing prostitution, we allow for better working conditions, find another source of revenue for the government, and make the process safer for all parties involved.

There should also be an age limit set on the practice, the general age of adulthood, 18.

That's a very good point.

As Shankara points out, this is not an issue for the UN to decide. There are many among us who support the idea of legalized prostitution, but do not see the need to impose that view on our friends and neighbors around the world.

The government of Johmamastan believes that the issue of sexual slavery was covered under the UN Resolution outlawing slavery. If that resolution is enforced effectively, we see no reason for further international action on behalf of the sex industry. Let each nation decide for themselves what to do about prostitution- vote "NO" on this resolution.

PM Adam Johmama
Commonwealth of Johmamastan

Just because its not included in the resolution doesn't mean that you can't implement it in your own nations - _Myopia_ is voting for this resolution but will add things like the age limit. Firstly we believe that it is the individual's choice to do what they want with their body. Second, we believe that legalisation is the best way to protect the rights of prostitutes - UN rules such as the ban on slavery and the workers'/unions' rights resolution could be used to smash the exploitative illegal sex slavery trade, and normal laws about assault etc would also apply, so prostitutes would not be scared to report crimes committed against them by employers and clients.

The Lone Star Republic Parliament vehemently opposes an international resolution on what constitutes proper prostitution, as if such a thing exists. This directly conflicts with a nation's right to consider IT'S OWN CULTURAL STANDARDS. For instance, a nation that bases it's morality on deep cultural and religious traditions may oppose prostitution. Another nation may have a long tradition of prostitution, such as those who have temple priestesses, "geishas", and the like. Why should one nation's traditions be forced over another's? Even if such a proposal passed, the former nation would likely make life difficult for prostitutes anyway.

In the same vein, there is an obvious imbalance in the number of delegates from the Western world. Who says 18-years-old is the age of consent of an adult? In Russia, it's 14. In Japan, it's 20. Again, why should one nation's preferences be forced upon another? Where is the line drawn between appropriate and inappropriate prostitution? And what about parents who sell their children into prostitution?

No, we cannot support such a vague and invasive resolution.

Peace and prosperity,
The Lone Star Republic Parliament

The government of Johmamastan believes that the issue of sexual slavery was covered under the UN Resolution outlawing slavery. If that resolution is enforced effectively, we see no reason for further international action on behalf of the sex industry.

If prostitutes were not themselves criminals, they wouldn't be so scared about reporting these crimes and so law enforcement agencies would have far more information with which they could attack those who run sex slavery trades.

This is a vile, disgusting attempt to legalize the sexual corruption of politicians and business leaders. I have known many prostitutes, and none of them has ever enjoyed her work; they know it is nothing more than rape, where they get paid not to bring charges.

The true solution is not to add another burden, that of tax, to people in already desperate situations, but to place those people in a situation where they have no need to sell themselves.

We in Ienotheisa has reached such a place. There are always jobs available, and certainly no one goes hungry or homeless if they do not work. And I can say with complete confidence that we have no prostitution here.

Yes, there is a trade of sex slaves across parts of the world. It is illegal, and should remain illegal. Those who practice it should be caught and punished. However, making prostitution legal will not help with that; it will only help with the women who freely and willingly become prostitutes due to their desperate situation.

So please, as a woman, I ask that you vote against this resolution, and instead work to improve the lives of those forced into the vile profession of prostitution.

Yours in Friendship,
Lady Viole Of the First

Prostitution is already legal in the Peoples Republic of West Lancashire but we don't see why it is an issue for the UN. Surely measures like this are a matter for the sovereign governments of each state.

Christian, Jewish or Muslim states who would object on religious grounds to this proposal are being forced to decide between their UN membership and their religious beliefs.

Although West Lancashire is officially an Atheist country that rejects all religious mumbo jumbo we respect the right of these deluded souls to believe whatever fairy story concerning a deity they chose. It's not the UN`s job to interfere with that.

The government of Johmamastan believes that the issue of sexual slavery was covered under the UN Resolution outlawing slavery. If that resolution is enforced effectively, we see no reason for further international action on behalf of the sex industry.

If prostitutes were not themselves criminals, they wouldn't be so scared about reporting these crimes and so law enforcement agencies would have far more information with which they could attack those who run sex slavery trades.

In the same vein, there is an obvious imbalance in the number of delegates from the Western world. Who says 18-years-old is the age of consent of an adult? In Russia, it's 14. In Japan, it's 20.


Also a valid point, however as there is no stipulation for age requirements in the resolution, it would be up to the INDIVIDUAL NATION to make that determination.

This is a vile, disgusting attempt to legalize the sexual corruption of politicians and business leaders. I have known many prostitutes, and none of them has ever enjoyed her work; they know it is nothing more than rape, where they get paid not to bring charges.

The true solution is not to add another burden, that of tax, to people in already desperate situations, but to place those people in a situation where they have no need to sell themselves.

We in Ienotheisa has reached such a place. There are always jobs available, and certainly no one goes hungry or homeless if they do not work. And I can say with complete confidence that we have no prostitution here.

Yes, there is a trade of sex slaves across parts of the world. It is illegal, and should remain illegal. Those who practice it should be caught and punished. However, making prostitution legal will not help with that; it will only help with the women who freely and willingly become prostitutes due to their desperate situation.

So please, as a woman, I ask that you vote against this resolution, and instead work to improve the lives of those forced into the vile profession of prostitution.

Yours in Friendship,
Lady Viole Of the First

Well, you've posted this for the second time on a different thread, so I'll reply in kind for the second time:

Thing is, legal prostitution would not be the same as the current sex trade. If prostitutes weren't afraid of getting into trouble, they could report violent crimes and exploitation. Then the exploitative, slavery-style side of the trade could be smashed on the basis of UN resolutions such as that banning slavery and the one codifying the rights of workers and unions.

In the end, I see no reason why consenting adults should not be allowed to do as they wish with their own bodies - and legalising the trade along with instituting the social welfare schemes mentioned in the resolution would help to ensure that prostitutes would be consenting adults.

This proposal is ridiculous, and New FYADIA simply will not stand for it. Despite the Bill improving the health standards of sex workers, as well as making it a safer job, we feel that it is detrimental to society as a whole to legalise prostitution. It is an unwanted blemish in New FYADIA, and legalising it will only feed the oily pimple that is prostitution, causing it to grow into a massive zit which will inevitable burst and spew forth its disgusting pus over the clean moral fabric of New FYADIAN society.

How dare we even discuss making prostition legal! I have worked with many women caught in this "profession," and I can tell you that most of these woman have either been abused in their past, or have not had intimacy properly modeled to them. To give our stamp of approval on prostitution would further their feelings of worthlessness. I am usually very against social programs, because agovernment run anything usually doesn't work, but we need to help these women.

Also, as a side note: Sex is a very powerful, very addictive drug. Men who abuse children don't start out abusing children. It's a gradual decent; usually starting with looking at porn, moving to consensual sex with the opposite sex, then slide down the pit to deviant sex. It's a gradual slope, and no, most guys who have sex with prostitutes don't abuse children, but with the legalization of prostitution, more men with sexual addictions will have sex with more women, and more men will end up deeper in the sex addiction pit.

I hope I have not been too graphic; this is a very, very serious issue, not one to be joked about. Please take it seriously, and realize that you need to vote against this bill.

This proposal is ridiculous, and New FYADIA simply will not stand for it. Despite the Bill improving the health standards of sex workers, as well as making it a safer job, we feel that it is detrimental to society as a whole to legalise prostitution. It is an unwanted blemish in New FYADIA, and legalising it will only feed the oily pimple that is prostitution, causing it to grow into a massive zit which will inevitable burst and spew forth its disgusting pus over the clean moral fabric of New FYADIAN society.

Why should your government or any government dictate how consenting adults can and can't use their bodies?

I'm sorry, when did morality become objective?

Morality is inherently objective. The problem religious fanatics such as Caligatio make is thinking sex is a moral issue, when it's not.

How dare we even discuss making prostition legal! I have worked with many women caught in this "profession," and I can tell you that most of these woman have either been abused in their past, or have not had intimacy properly modeled to them. To give our stamp of approval on prostitution would further their feelings of worthlessness. I am usually very against social programs, because agovernment run anything usually doesn't work, but we need to help these women.

Also, as a side note: Sex is a very powerful, very addictive drug. Men who abuse children don't start out abusing children. It's a gradual decent; usually starting with looking at porn, moving to consensual sex with the opposite sex, then slide down the pit to deviant sex. It's a gradual slope, and no, most guys who have sex with prostitutes don't abuse children, but with the legalization of prostitution, more men with sexual addictions will have sex with more women, and more men will end up deeper in the sex addiction pit.

I hope I have not been too graphic; this is a very, very serious issue, not one to be joked about. Please take it seriously, and realize that you need to vote against this bill.

So your argument is that people paying money to have sex with consenting adults will lead to them raping children? If you can't back this up with statistics, I'll have to assume it's about as valid as the "gateway drug" argument against cannabis legalisation (it doesn't work, people, because the only way cannabis leads to heroin is if you can buy both from the same person so legal cannabis would have as much chance of leading to heroin as legal alcohol - in the same way, a legal legitimate brothel wouldn't offer paedophiliac sex).

As to the first point, we're not just giving the sex trade a rubber stamp of apporval - we're legalising it so that it can be cleaned up more easily.

I will not support the legalization of prostitution without some sort of health care/testing program in place for those that work in it. I can see that it will go on regardless...but if we are going to be responsible, we MUST take care of our citizens!

If the "workers" are not protected/tested, then neither are their customers.

If prostitutes were not themselves criminals, they wouldn't be so scared about reporting these crimes and so law enforcement agencies would have far more information with which they could attack those who run sex slavery trades.[/quote]

Agreed. That's why prostitution is legal in Johmamastan. Since there is nothing in international law that prohibits a country from decriminalizing prostitution, we went ahead and did so. It works great. We think everybody should do it.

But we're not going to force fundamentalist nations to suddenly "lighten up" and start construction on bordellos. They should retain the right to handle their social issues they way they see fit. A "yes" vote on this issue takes away that right.

If prostitutes were not themselves criminals, they wouldn't be so scared about reporting these crimes and so law enforcement agencies would have far more information with which they could attack those who run sex slavery trades.[/quote]

Agreed. That's why prostitution is legal in Johmamastan. Since there is nothing in international law that prohibits a country from decriminalizing prostitution, we went ahead and did so. It works great. We think everybody should do it.

But we're not going to force fundamentalist nations to suddenly "lighten up" and start construction on bordellos. They should retain the right to handle their social issues they way they see fit. A "yes" vote on this issue takes away that right.

If prostitutes were not themselves criminals, they wouldn't be so scared about reporting these crimes and so law enforcement agencies would have far more information with which they could attack those who run sex slavery trades.[/quote]

Agreed. That's why prostitution is legal in Johmamastan. Since there is nothing in international law that prohibits a country from decriminalizing prostitution, we went ahead and did so. It works great. We think everybody should do it.

But we're not going to force fundamentalist nations to suddenly "lighten up" and start construction on bordellos. They should retain the right to handle their social issues they way they see fit. A "yes" vote on this issue takes away that right.

If prostitutes were not themselves criminals, they wouldn't be so scared about reporting these crimes and so law enforcement agencies would have far more information with which they could attack those who run sex slavery trades.[/quote]

Agreed. That's why prostitution is legal in Johmamastan. Since there is nothing in international law that prohibits a country from decriminalizing prostitution, we went ahead and did so. It works great. We think everybody should do it.

But we're not going to force fundamentalist nations to suddenly "lighten up" and start construction on bordellos. They should retain the right to handle their social issues they way they see fit. A "yes" vote on this issue takes away that right.

In The Protectorate of RM-rf, prostitution is already legalized, there is but no goverment-budget dedicated for private support-organisations or -unions, since our governement does not believe it should directly influence the free choices of employees.

There is but a license-system which is solely concerned with a mandatory health insurance, including testing for sexual diseases.

We are at the moment researching if this resolution will in effect make our system illegal, since we put extra claims on the legalisation of prostitution.
We chose not to financially support extra unions or support for prostitutes, since we beleave in a retreat of our government from subsidizing social issues.

An important question for us is to what level the UN should introduce legislation to force a specific implementation of Actions upon souvereign nations, it has a tendency of forcing a specific form of government upon these nations.
We are very positive towards international cooperation, but these moral issues should give more room to nations to decide on what sort of implementation they prefer.

In this case, the proposal does not force specific actions towards _how_ to handle prostitution, except to legalize it, without any extra boundaries.

It therefore could create an extra danger of essentially giving nations the chance of legalising a potentially dangerous issue, without extra guidance of the governement, be it in the form of Government budgets or other mandates on the allowance of it.

If prostitutes were not themselves criminals, they wouldn't be so scared about reporting these crimes and so law enforcement agencies would have far more information with which they could attack those who run sex slavery trades.[/quote]

Agreed. That's why prostitution is legal in Johmamastan. Since there is nothing in international law that prohibits a country from decriminalizing prostitution, we went ahead and did so. It works great. We think everybody should do it.

But we're not going to force fundamentalist nations to suddenly "lighten up" and start construction on bordellos. They should retain the right to handle their social issues they way they see fit. A "yes" vote on this issue takes away that right.

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I will not support the legalization of prostitution without some sort of health care/testing program in place for those that work in it. I can see that it will go on regardless...but if we are going to be responsible, we MUST take care of our citizens!

If the "workers" are not protected/tested, then neither are their customers.

You can do that in your own nation, as I will do in mine, and as I suspect most will do in theirs if this passes. If they don't, then it was probably like that before the resolution anyway - for instance an anarchic country couldn't really enforce mandatory testing and wouldn't have done so before this resolution.

But we're not going to force fundamentalist nations to suddenly "lighten up" and start construction on bordellos. They should retain the right to handle their social issues they way they see fit. A "yes" vote on this issue takes away that right.

But look at it this way: The right to do what one wants with one's body should be a fundamental human right. The right to sell one's body counts under that individual sovereignty and is therefore part of a fundamental human right. Fundamental human rights should be the business of the UN, at least in NS. Conservative societies should not be allowed to remove fundamental rights from their citizens, even if only a tiny minority want to use those rights.

Agreed Johmamastan. I also support the decriminalization of prostitution, but I strongly oppose the stamping out of the individual countries right to national sovereignty, which would be the effect of this and many other resolutions which have already passed. If you wish to legalize prostitution in your country, I will fight for your right to do so, but I will also fight for the right of other nations to choose not to. If there is not an issue already addressing this concern, the person who proposed this resolution should have submitted it as an issue to the game moderators, instead of trying to force their views on others through the U.N.

This proposal should be voted down for the following reasons:

1. It fails to address how the taxes will be collected. IT IS A CASH BUSINESS PEOPLE!!!

2. Fails to address heathcare benefits for the workers.

3. Fails to address registration of workers with the appropriate tax offices.

4. Fails to address how much should be charged for 'services rendered.'

Please vote this proposal down as one will be appearing soon that is better written and addresses the above reasons.

instead of trying to force their views on others through the U.N.

What?

The fact remains that any UN resolution is an attempt to impose the views of the many upon the few. If this was not the case, then the United Nations would cease to function. If you're not content with the resolutions passed with the United Nations, then leave. It really is that simple.

Yours sincerely,

G.D. Barnaky
Ministry of Pushing Other Nations Around

This proposal should be voted down for the following reasons:

1. It fails to address how the taxes will be collected. IT IS A CASH BUSINESS PEOPLE!!!

2. Fails to address heathcare benefits for the workers.

3. Fails to address registration of workers with the appropriate tax offices.

4. Fails to address how much should be charged for 'services rendered.'

Please vote this proposal down as one will be appearing soon that is better written and addresses the above reasons.

1-3 are things individual nations should sort out for themselves. As for the price, as long as both individuals agree, they can sort out whatever price is ok with them.

The legalisation and/or criminalisation of certain acts committed by individuals should NOT be an issue for the United Nations. This is something that individual nations should be deciding as their society and culture dictates.

The Rogue Nation of Greenspoint will vote against this resolution and we urge all freedom-loving leaders of sovereign nations to do the same.

James Moehlman
Asst. Manager ico U.N. Affairs

The legalisation and/or criminallisation of certain acts committed by individuals should NOT be an issue for the United Nations. This is something that individual nations should be deciding as their society and culture dictates.

The Rogue Nation of Greenspoint will vote against this resolution and we urge all freedom-loving leaders of sovereign nations to do the same.

James Moehlman
Asst. Manager ico U.N. Affairs

_Myopia_ is a freedom-loving nation led by a freedom loving president - but we value individual sovereignty over one's body more than we value governmental sovereigty over a nation.

While we of the Grand Atoll are deeply saddened that the UN would even discuss legitimizing the expliotation of women, we acknowledge the importance of the free and open exchange of ideas.

We of the Grand Atoll enjoy sex; it is a gift from Goddess and we treat it as such. We do not push our faith onto other nations; they must walk their own path. But we do not and will never condone the exploitation of women, and children (!), to appease men who twist sex into something horrific.

We oppose this proposal and strongly plead with all UN member nations also to oppose this proposal.

instead of trying to force their views on others through the U.N.

What?

The fact remains that any UN resolution is an attempt to impose the views of the many upon the few. If this was not the case, then the United Nations would cease to function. If you're not content with the resolutions passed with the United Nations, then leave. It really is that simple.

Yours sincerely,

G.D. Barnaky
Ministry of Pushing Other Nations Around

Since I have obligations to my region that can only be fulfilled if I am a U.N. member, that is not an option for me. Actually, this is a puppet nation I use because I was tired of having my main nation affected by poorly constructed resolutions and resolutions that harm national sovereignty. In truth, I would like to see the U.N. cease to function in its current capacity.

Well, while I don't agree with the proposal,
While legalizing prostitution would not create Julia Roberts, it would allow for people who chose to be prostitutes, and yes, there are people who do (look at articles about the mustang ranch, some of those prostitues chose, there are other examples as well) to do so in safety, and it would also END the sexual and physical abuse against prostitutes as well as the illegal trade in humans created by the sex industry.

While legalization of prostitution has been said to decrease violence against women, that has not been shown to be true. Women are still the victims, there are still unsafe acts, and the mustang ranch was shut down for fraud.

It has been shown that if you make an effort to enforce the small crimes, the little ones take care of themselves. In areas where prostitution has been legalized, the industry as a whole has expanded, and the unlicensed brothels have increased, as has police corruption. It leads to expansion in the trafficking of women across borders, in the increase of money to organized crime, and does not protect women.

In addition, this is a resolution that exceeds UN authority and decides national issues.

While we of the Grand Atoll are deeply saddened that the UN would even discuss legitimizing the expliotation of women, we acknowledge the importance of the free and open exchange of ideas.

We of the Grand Atoll enjoy sex; it is a gift from Goddess and we treat it as such. We do not push our faith onto other nations; they must walk their own path. But we do not and will never condone the exploitation of women, and children (!), to appease men who twist sex into something horrific.

We oppose this proposal and strongly plead with all UN member nations also to oppose this proposal.

This doesn't legitimise the exploitation of women. It legitimises the consensual act of combining sex and a monetary transaction, so that we can more easily crack down on occassions when it isn't consensual.

The Empire of Kukonaitsu is happy to see that so many other nations realize the reality of basic rights being denied prostitutes in the work place because of individual moral issues.

As for the slave trade, the real way for those wishing to end the horror is to get a foot in the door. Right now, all prostitutes are target for arrests. This is far too broad a scope, and really not worth the policing force put into it. Think of how much more can be done for the traded women if those willing to participate are allowed to do so.

The Empress of Kukonaitsu invites a reply, but stands firmly with her people in regards to her views here

But we're not going to force fundamentalist nations to suddenly "lighten up" and start construction on bordellos. They should retain the right to handle their social issues they way they see fit. A "yes" vote on this issue takes away that right.

I never really thought of it quite that way before.


The representative from the Democratic Republic of Buffalovia to the United Nations officially changes her vote from "for" to "against" in favor of a more clearly defined domestic law, outlined as above.

I think the resolution looks at this issue from the wrong angle, yes legalising prostitution could make life better for the prostitutes, but it also would make it 'right' or 'permissible' to have a slave trade or traffic in women.
This resolution would have to be coupled with a concerted effort from governments to support the prostitues and give them oppertunities to leave the streets, if they chose. They should be provided with facitilies such as family planning centres and protected from victimisation. The slave trade should be stopped and everyone should be given the freedom to decide if prostitution is the career they want (and by freedom I mean freedom from debt and poverty).

This resolution will do nothing but make the victimisation legal and more socially acceptable, no resolution will leave the prostitutes open to victimisation through the slave trade.

I think the resolution looks at this issue from the wrong angle, yes legalising prostitution could make life better for the prostitutes, but it also would make it 'right' or 'permissible' to have a slave trade or traffic in women.
This resolution would have to be coupled with a concerted effort from governments to support the prostitues and give them oppertunities to leave the streets, if they chose. They should be provided with facitilies such as family planning centres and protected from victimisation. The slave trade should be stopped and everyone should be given the freedom to decide if prostitution is the career they want (and by freedom I mean freedom from debt and poverty).

This resolution will do nothing but make the victimisation legal and more socially acceptable, no resolution will leave the prostitutes open to victimisation through the slave trade.

A sensible proposal like this could cause me to rethink my decision not to join the UN.
Just to let you know, the Mustang Ranch was only one of many Adult Entertainment "Ranches" in northern Nevada. Joe Conforte, the owner of the former brothel, was convicted of tax evasion, which is a problem facing governments no matter what the nature of the buisness involved. You may, or may not be happy to know, that all of the girls have found jobs in the nearby Cottontail ranch, Kitty's Cathouse, the Kit Kat Ranch, Sagebrush Ranch and the Moonlight Bunny Ranch. All of which are operating without any legal or health problems. None of the girls seem unhappy with their work, and several have expressed pity at the slave-wages I earn as an office worker compared to their quadruple digit weekly take home pay!
Prostitution will always be legal in Angburz!

As a nation fighting a very successful battle against crime, The Empire of Terrible Malice will leave the UN if this proposal goes through. We recently were pressured by the world community, as well as the UN, to abolish our slave trade, and now we should be forced to go through with legalizing it? The UN has become a bureaucracy that no one is in control of anymore. How can any nation accept to allow slaves to be used for sexual services only?

We strongly advice everyone to vote against this proposal in order to restore the UN?s image a serious organisation. We simply cannot accept these kinds of laws to be processed in our fine, crime free nation as well as in the so-called slave opposing members of the UN.

- Vladim Viloshus
Minister of Arms and the Exterior

I think the resolution looks at this issue from the wrong angle, yes legalising prostitution could make life better for the prostitutes, but it also would make it 'right' or 'permissible' to have a slave trade or traffic in women.
This resolution would have to be coupled with a concerted effort from governments to support the prostitues and give them oppertunities to leave the streets, if they chose. They should be provided with facitilies such as family planning centres and protected from victimisation. The slave trade should be stopped and everyone should be given the freedom to decide if prostitution is the career they want (and by freedom I mean freedom from debt and poverty).

This resolution will do nothing but make the victimisation legal and more socially acceptable, no resolution will leave the prostitutes open to victimisation through the slave trade.

The resolution legalises prostitution specifically. This is how prostitution is defined:
1. The act or practice of engaging in sex acts for hire.
2. The act or an instance of offering or devoting one's talent to an unworthy use or cause.

Obviously we're talking about the first one here. Thus all this resolution does is to legalise the act of charging for sex - it does not legalise slavery (which is already banned by UN resolution) or other kinds of victimisation or expliotation. If you want more specific protection for prostitutes, you can do that in your own nation, as _Myopia_ already has

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The Persecuted Redeemed agree with Cathpernium and their argument being that it would legalize slave trade.

But not only that I find many other problems with this

1. It would also legalize another form of slavery. Usually pimps hold sway over their prostitutes by threatening them in some way or by supplying them with drugs. By enacting this proposal we would be legalizing the ability of men to beat down the other bender legally. I'm not saying this happens in all cases of prostitution but it does happen and it is a tragedy.

2. This also essentially legalizing rape. If prostitution becomes legal then anyone my rape anyone else and the rapee will be hard pressed to come up with any sort of proof that they were not raped. There are some medical test that can be run to determine this but what women who is trying to make ends meet would be able to pay for a lenghty medical examination let alone hiring a lawyer to represent them.

3rd and finally if this proposal passes we will be starting a system where if something is illegal but people commit the crime, then we should make it legal so that no-one is commiting any crime. That is what I see happening in this proposal and I will oppose it with all the force of my country.

I hope that you consider what I have said.
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The Persecuted Redeemed agree with Cathpernium and their argument being that it would legalize slave trade.

But not only that I find many other problems with this

1. It would also legalize another form of slavery. Usually pimps hold sway over their prostitutes by threatening them in some way or by supplying them with drugs. By enacting this proposal we would be legalizing the ability of men to beat down the other bender legally. I'm not saying this happens in all cases of prostitution but it does happen and it is a tragedy.

2. This also essentially legalizing rape. If prostitution becomes legal then anyone my rape anyone else and the rapee will be hard pressed to come up with any sort of proof that they were not raped. There are some medical test that can be run to determine this but what women who is trying to make ends meet would be able to pay for a lenghty medical examination let alone hiring a lawyer to represent them.

3rd and finally if this proposal passes we will be starting a system where if something is illegal but people commit the crime, then we should make it legal so that no-one is commiting any crime. That is what I see happening in this proposal and I will oppose it with all the force of my country.

I hope that you consider what I have said.
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In case people have forgotten, females are human beings. We don't sell humans do we? The sex trade is something that is the opposite... females are nothing more than objects to be used with a profit in mind. What other "profession" is that similar too? Slavery. Human beings are not objects. Will legalizing the sex trade make the "employees" a lot better off? How so will that happen? Just be legalizing it doesn't make the abuse, the pimps, and prejudice disappear. As pointed out earlier, the prostitutes usually don't want to be there... in fact many illegal coerced to be in the trade. The United Systems therefore vote against this resolution.

What needs to be done instead is to treat the problem at its social roots. Increase government spending on education, health care, welfare, and other social services to help reduce poverty.

In addition, the United Systems do point out that legalizing prostitution goes against many religious groups. The United Nations is composed of both secular and non-secular powers, passing this resolution will be contradicting religious, sacred beliefs in many nations.

It is paramount to know that every nation also has different problems and causes that would lead to such a tragic profession. Another important aspect is that there are cultural differences that relate to prostitution. The best method, the United Systems believe to not to force this resolution on to all nations, but allow each and every one to decide whether legalizing prostitution is the best way to deal with the problem. The United Systems say again that since every culture is different, this problem should be dealth with individually by each nation.

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The Persecuted Redeemed agree with Cathpernium and their argument being that it would legalize slave trade.

But not only that I find many other problems with this

1. It would also legalize another form of slavery. Usually pimps hold sway over their prostitutes by threatening them in some way or by supplying them with drugs. By enacting this proposal we would be legalizing the ability of men to beat down the other bender legally. I'm not saying this happens in all cases of prostitution but it does happen and it is a tragedy.

2. This also essentially legalizing rape. If prostitution becomes legal then anyone my rape anyone else and the rapee will be hard pressed to come up with any sort of proof that they were not raped. There are some medical test that can be run to determine this but what women who is trying to make ends meet would be able to pay for a lenghty medical examination let alone hiring a lawyer to represent them.

3rd and finally if this proposal passes we will be starting a system where if something is illegal but people commit the crime, then we should make it legal so that no-one is commiting any crime. That is what I see happening in this proposal and I will oppose it with all the force of my country.

I hope that you consider what I have said.
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Oops sorry for the multipost.

Freakin thing wouldn't post for 15 minutes.

My apologies.

Mataradesh urges caution when considering this matter. The arguments of Persecuted Redeemed show how easily the aim of this proposal can be misconstrued.

1. It would also legalize another form of slavery. Usually pimps hold sway over their prostitutes by threatening them in some way or by supplying them with drugs. By enacting this proposal we would be legalizing the ability of men to beat down the other bender legally. I'm not saying this happens in all cases of prostitution but it does happen and it is a tragedy.

The point of legalizing prosititution is to prevent such abuses. It is the aim of Mataradesh to prevent the abuse of both male and female sex workers by making sure that labor laws are applied to them as thoughtlessly as they are to factory workers.

2. This also essentially legalizing rape. If prostitution becomes legal then anyone my rape anyone else and the rapee will be hard pressed to come up with any sort of proof that they were not raped. There are some medical test that can be run to determine this but what women who is trying to make ends meet would be able to pay for a lenghty medical examination let alone hiring a lawyer to represent them.

Mataradesh urges Persecuted Redeemed to consider the facts of a situation before deciding its viewpoint. It is already difficult for a woman to prove that a rape occurred- the addition of money into the exchange will complicate matters very little. A woman consents to sex for a certain amount of money- this is consensual, just as is a doctor's checkup for a certain amount of money. It becomes nonconsensual when a woman says no to sex and the man forces it on her anyway. There is a clear difference.

3rd and finally if this proposal passes we will be starting a system where if something is illegal but people commit the crime, then we should make it legal so that no-one is commiting any crime. That is what I see happening in this proposal and I will oppose it with all the force of my country.

Besides the fact that the educated population of Mataradesh has trouble reading such confused language, this argument means nothing. Sex work is not inherently a crime. It is an industry similar to any other in which services are exchanged for money. It is this that is the basis of the proposal.

I think the resolution looks Thus all this resolution does is to legalise the act of charging for sex - it does not legalise slavery (which is already banned by UN resolution) or other kinds of victimisation or expliotation.

All countries in Europe have outlawed slavery. Some countries in Europe have legalized prostitution. What they have found is an increase in prostitution and an increase in the trafficking of women and girls from poorer countries, mostly stripped of their identity and forced to work as prostitutes. Destitute their best efforts, there is still victimization and exploitation.

I think that you are taking a very short-sighted view.

This proposal seems well, however it is poorly worded and poorly worded law can be easily tied into knots. As we see in this discussion. I will be forced to vote against it only because the law would leave too many loopholes for some things to be done.

I do however agree that the legalization of prostitution would lead to a safer more productive industry. as well as much more easily controlled, by use of unions and labor laws the people who participate in this industry would be protected from many of the dangers that are now associated with it. Also the taxes collected and the money saved by not fighting this, very large, industry would benefit the poor greatly.

I would support a more toughly worded proposal on this subject.

Huh....the peroposal is asking me a question? Arent proposals supposed to be stating what thwy are going to do the the laws of my country not ask me questions on my opinion?.........and as for the issue .......*cough STD cough*

While we of the Grand Atoll are deeply saddened that the UN would even discuss legitimizing the expliotation of women, we acknowledge the importance of the free and open exchange of ideas.

We of the Grand Atoll enjoy sex; it is a gift from Goddess and we treat it as such. We do not push our faith onto other nations; they must walk their own path. But we do not and will never condone the exploitation of women, and children (!), to appease men who twist sex into something horrific.

We oppose this proposal and strongly plead with all UN member nations also to oppose this proposal.

This doesn't legitimise the exploitation of women. It legitimises the consensual act of combining sex and a monetary transaction, so that we can more easily crack down on occassions when it isn't consensual.

Prostitution involves women and children being sold into sexual slavery. It is a corrupt degradation of another human being, and would not become less so simply by making the pimp no longer a lawbreaker. Do you really think that someone who abuses women illegally would suddenly become less corrupt with official endorsement of his profession? The illegal abuse would continue, under a different name.

This proposal would provide official UN approval of a nonconsensual practice. It is the equivalent of saying that slavery should be legal, so the UN would be able to monitor the working conditions of slaves.

If your nation wishes to make it legal for a woman or a child to be abused through prostitution, you must walk your own path. But you do not have a right to force the women or children of the Grand Atoll to do so.

But we're not going to force fundamentalist nations to suddenly "lighten up" and start construction on bordellos. They should retain the right to handle their social issues they way they see fit. A "yes" vote on this issue takes away that right.

I never really thought of it quite that way before.


The representative from the Democratic Republic of Buffalovia to the United Nations officially changes her vote from "for" to "against" in favor of a more clearly defined domestic law, outlined as above.

The Government of Inner Qwghlm, has also registered it's vote against this measure for muc hthe same reasons as outlined by the Johmamastanian Representative.

Whilst being in favour of the Legalisation of Prostitution, preferably by means of a licencing scheme, we do not believe that our moral view should be forced on others.

We urge those who have already voted in favour of this proposal to reconsider.

Hon Ms. Sopia Pthgggrk
Inner Qwghlm Deputy-Ambassador to the UN

I am asking that everyone vote AGAINST the proposal and in favor of a new, better worded proposal which will be posted shortly seeking endorsements. I am willing to listen to your requests for changes and will make amendments.

New Legalize Prostitution proposal:

An individual has sovereign rite over their body. For those individuals who wish to sell the use of their bodies for the act of prostitution we propose the following regulations:

1. Each individual who wishes to engage in prostitution be required to register with their local tax and security office.
2. Each individual will be required follow the code of conduct of the UN state in which they are practicing.
3. Registration requirements will be left up to each UN state.
4. Each approved individual will be issued a picture identification card which will be valid in all UN states.
5. Each individual will be required to show said identification card on demand in instances only related to their line of work.
6. Each individual will be required to follow the tax laws of the individual UN state in which they are practicing.
7. A portion of the taxes collected, which is at the discretion of each individual UN state, will be set aside for a mandatory healthcare pool.
8. Each state will be required to provide a confidential toll free number and department to register complaints.

I am asking that everyone vote AGAINST the proposal and in favor of a new, better worded proposal which will be posted shortly seeking endorsements. I am willing to listen to your requests for changes and will make amendments.

New Legalize Prostitution proposal:

An individual has sovereign rite over their body. For those individuals who wish to sell the use of their bodies for the act of prostitution we propose the following regulations:

1. Each individual who wishes to engage in prostitution be required to register with their local tax and security office.
2. Each individual will be required follow the code of conduct of the UN state in which they are practicing.
3. Registration requirements will be left up to each UN state.
4. Each approved individual will be issued a picture identification card which will be valid in all UN states.
5. Each individual will be required to show said identification card on demand in instances only related to their line of work.
6. Each individual will be required to follow the tax laws of the individual UN state in which they are practicing.
7. A portion of the taxes collected, which is at the discretion of each individual UN state, will be set aside for a mandatory healthcare pool.
8. Each state will be required to provide a confidential toll free number and department to register complaints.

I am asking that everyone vote AGAINST the proposal and in favor of a new, better worded proposal which will be posted shortly seeking endorsements. I am willing to listen to your requests for changes and will make amendments.

New Legalize Prostitution proposal:

An individual has sovereign rite over their body. For those individuals who wish to sell the use of their bodies for the act of prostitution we propose the following regulations:

1. Each individual who wishes to engage in prostitution be required to register with their local tax and security office.
2. Each individual will be required follow the code of conduct of the UN state in which they are practicing.
3. Registration requirements will be left up to each UN state.
4. Each approved individual will be issued a picture identification card which will be valid in all UN states.
5. Each individual will be required to show said identification card on demand in instances only related to their line of work.
6. Each individual will be required to follow the tax laws of the individual UN state in which they are practicing.
7. A portion of the taxes collected, which is at the discretion of each individual UN state, will be set aside for a mandatory healthcare pool.
8. Each state will be required to provide a confidential toll free number and department to register complaints.

I am asking that everyone vote AGAINST the proposal and in favor of a new, better worded proposal which will be posted shortly seeking endorsements. I am willing to listen to your requests for changes and will make amendments.

New Legalize Prostitution proposal:

An individual has sovereign rite over their body. For those individuals who wish to sell the use of their bodies for the act of prostitution we propose the following regulations:

1. Each individual who wishes to engage in prostitution be required to register with their local tax and security office.
2. Each individual will be required follow the code of conduct of the UN state in which they are practicing.
3. Registration requirements will be left up to each UN state.
4. Each approved individual will be issued a picture identification card which will be valid in all UN states.
5. Each individual will be required to show said identification card on demand in instances only related to their line of work.
6. Each individual will be required to follow the tax laws of the individual UN state in which they are practicing.
7. A portion of the taxes collected, which is at the discretion of each individual UN state, will be set aside for a mandatory healthcare pool.
8. Each state will be required to provide a confidential toll free number and department to register complaints.

I am asking that everyone vote AGAINST the proposal and in favor of a new, better worded proposal which will be posted shortly seeking endorsements. I am willing to listen to your requests for changes and will make amendments.

New Legalize Prostitution proposal:

An individual has sovereign rite over their body. For those individuals who wish to sell the use of their bodies for the act of prostitution we propose the following regulations:

1. Each individual who wishes to engage in prostitution be required to register with their local tax and security office.
2. Each individual will be required follow the code of conduct of the UN state in which they are practicing.
3. Registration requirements will be left up to each UN state.
4. Each approved individual will be issued a picture identification card which will be valid in all UN states.
5. Each individual will be required to show said identification card on demand in instances only related to their line of work.
6. Each individual will be required to follow the tax laws of the individual UN state in which they are practicing.
7. A portion of the taxes collected, which is at the discretion of each individual UN state, will be set aside for a mandatory healthcare pool.
8. Each state will be required to provide a confidential toll free number and department to register complaints.

I am asking that everyone vote AGAINST the proposal and in favor of a new, better worded proposal which will be posted shortly seeking endorsements. I am willing to listen to your requests for changes and will make amendments.

New Legalize Prostitution proposal:

An individual has sovereign rite over their body. For those individuals who wish to sell the use of their bodies for the act of prostitution we propose the following regulations:

1. Each individual who wishes to engage in prostitution be required to register with their local tax and security office.
2. Each individual will be required follow the code of conduct of the UN state in which they are practicing.
3. Registration requirements will be left up to each UN state.
4. Each approved individual will be issued a picture identification card which will be valid in all UN states.
5. Each individual will be required to show said identification card on demand in instances only related to their line of work.
6. Each individual will be required to follow the tax laws of the individual UN state in which they are practicing.
7. A portion of the taxes collected, which is at the discretion of each individual UN state, will be set aside for a mandatory healthcare pool.
8. Each state will be required to provide a confidential toll free number and department to register complaints.

Are you people crazy!?!?!? What are you a bunch of perverts?? Any one who votes "For" this issue has some very large moral problems and is a VERY sick person!!!!If you legalize prostitution, abortion rates will sky rocket, sexually translated diseases will go through the roof!!! I will NOT!! support this issue, and if it comes up in my nation I will be against it 100%!! Further more, if you are a Christian or if call yourself a "Christian" the only chioce that should seem right to you would be to vote against this issue. The Bible says that prostitution is a dirty and wicked thing!! And the Bible is always right!

Internal Minister- regional UN delegate- Newtilon.

Are you people crazy!?!?!? What are you a bunch of perverts?? Any one who votes "For" this issue has some very large moral problems and is a VERY sick person!!!!If you legalize prostitution, abortion rates will sky rocket, sexually translated diseases will go through the roof!!! I will NOT!! support this issue, and if it comes up in my nation I will be against it 100%!! Further more, if you are a Christian or if call yourself a "Christian" the only chioce that should seem right to you would be to vote against this issue. The Bible says that prostitution is a dirty and wicked thing!! And the Bible is always right!

Internal Minister- regional UN delegate- Newtilon.

Are you people crazy!?!?!? What are you a bunch of perverts?? Any one who votes "For" this issue has some very large moral problems and is a VERY sick person!!!!
Why? Sex is not a moral issue, it is a dick-going-into-a-pussy issue.

Any moral, rational individual is completely in favor of this idea.

If you legalize prostitution, abortion rates will sky rocket,
Those who have abortions in cases other than rape will still be punished.

sexually translated diseases will go through the roof!!!
So? That's not government's concern, nor is it valid reason to violate individual rights.

The Bible says that prostitution is a dirty and wicked thing!!

What's that got to do with anything? If you think it's "dirty and wicked", then just don't do it. But that's not a valid reason to outlaw it.

One of the most ignorant proposals I've had the misfortune to read.

The vast majority of sex industry workers are illegally imported or procured sex slaves, often imported from the Asia region, entirely against their will.

The concept of a high class call girl a.k.a Julia Roberts in 'Pretty Woman' or anything of the sort is exactly that- a hollywood concept. Real life is much grimmer. At last count- over 2 million women and girls are sold into the sex slave industry *each year*, largely to be imported into western countries.

It's a vile trade and it's a vile person who supports it.

They won't be sex slaves because slavery is already illegal. By extention of the existing laws, who is to say that you can't have the "high class call girl"? There are a lot of rich people in my country.

I am in favor of the decriminilization of prostitution.
I am not in favor of this poorly worded proposal...If someone were hungry do you think they woud go sit around some useless beaurocrat's office to get a license and fill out a bunch of ridiculous forms so they could pay taxes? before they would just 'turn the trick' and get the cash to eat?
Get real folks!!!
Evilwaldo's proposal is even worse...just another layer of beauracracy making things worse...
As if hungry people are going to go through that song and dance...
I am beginning to wonder if the UN is worth wasting time on.
The proposals are so poorly worded and poorly thought out, why waste time on this drivel..
Almost every proposal has no way to be implemented...or the implementaltion woud put a crushing tax burden on the poor...which it is supposed to help...
I am thinking of leaving this thread and going to the one about abolishing the UN...that is starting to look pretty good.
And you know I, personally, am sick of hearing the so-called "Christian" viewpoint....I have read the Bible and am well aware of what is says...I have news for these "so-called Christian' nations. Why don't you go read your Bibles and stop peddling your hypocritical misinterpretations to those of us who live in the real world and not in some paranoid fantasy of hysterical judgements?

I am in favor of the decriminilization of prostitution.
I am not in favor of this poorly worded proposal...If someone were hungry do you think they woud go sit around some useless beaurocrat's office to get a license and fill out a bunch of ridiculous forms so they could pay taxes? before they would just 'turn the trick' and get the cash to eat?
Get real folks!!!
Evilwaldo's proposal is even worse...just another layer of beauracracy making things worse...
As if hungry people are going to go through that song and dance...
I am beginning to wonder if the UN is worth wasting time on.
The proposals are so poorly worded and poorly thought out, why waste time on this drivel..
Almost every proposal has no way to be implemented...or the implementaltion woud put a crushing tax burden on the poor...which it is supposed to help...
I am thinking of leaving this thread and going to the one about abolishing the UN...that is starting to look pretty good.
And you know I, personally, am sick of hearing the so-called "Christian" viewpoint....I have read the Bible and am well aware of what is says...I have news for these "so-called Christian' nations. Why don't you go read your Bibles and stop peddling your hypocritical misinterpretations to those of us who live in the real world and not in some paranoid fantasy of hysterical judgements?

I am against this even if the prostitutes are consenting!
for these reasons:

1. Even in America slaves are a very REAL problem making prostitution legal will make it so much harder to find these poor people.

2. It will be hard to tax.

3. SEX SHOULDN"T BE FOR CASH. It be special.

Honored members of these hallowed halls, it may stike you as odd that The Most Serene Republic of Cocaine and Hookers is not supporting this bill, but indeed it is true. Our non-support does not rest of the debate over whether prostitution is a moral endeavor. Our society as a whole is in fact largely based on our Hooker`s prowess. It is a source of pride for us. Our apprehension of this bill is largely based upon the language of the proposal. In The MSR of C and H, our prostitution is a highly governed affair. There are regulations that serve to check and balance such a fundamental institution. We feel that this proposal would seek to undermine the foundations that keep our glorious whores safe and protected by our laws. An across the board legalization could potentially lead to unlicensed prostitution thus increasing the horrors of the dark side of this most respected of institutions. For example, Alcohol is legal but it regulated. One must acquire a license to purvey it, and are accountable to the halls of justice if the regulations are not followed. We wish for the proposition here to do the same. Before The Most Serene Republic of Cocaine and Hookers will support any bill such as the proposed we urge that it be amended to protect the citizenry. We ask you to do the same.

Raoul Ferrari
Ambassador to the United Nations
The Most Serene Republic of Cocaine and Hookers

Here's one country that wont have under ANY circumstances women, or men for that matter, turning tricks for money.

I am appalled at the fact that so many people can be in favour of such a resolution. Honestly, legalization of prostitution will inflict massive health care costs on all members involved, and legalization sends a message to children that sex is a service that should be marketed and sold. Frankly, it repulses me that so many people have voted for this resolution. When one talks about extending individual rights into abrogation of the criminal code, where does it end? Shall we sanction drinking and driving? A person's right to consume alcohol and drive a car, sounds like upholding individual rights, despite the consequences it entails on the rest of society. The damage to the social infrastructure that comes from legalizing this is astronomical, and this resolution should be defeated resoundingly. If one completely ignores moral grounds, it still has economic costs on the government, and on the poor, who have to descend to this practice, which is now made available. It would discourage the economically underprivileged from obtaining real jobs, and place them into a situation of perpetual dependency. I would call on all nations to reject this resolution, and help me sponsor a new bill to make prostitution illegal in all member states.

Theocracy of Carakeilia

I am appalled at the fact that so many people can be in favour of such a resolution. Honestly, legalization of prostitution will inflict massive health care costs on all members involved, and legalization sends a message to children that sex is a service that should be marketed and sold. Frankly, it repulses me that so many people have voted for this resolution. When one talks about extending individual rights into abrogation of the criminal code, where does it end? Shall we sanction drinking and driving? A person's right to consume alcohol and drive a car, sounds like upholding individual rights, despite the consequences it entails on the rest of society. The damage to the social infrastructure that comes from legalizing this is astronomical, and this resolution should be defeated resoundingly. If one completely ignores moral grounds, it still has economic costs on the government, and on the poor, who have to descend to this practice, which is now made available. It would discourage the economically underprivileged from obtaining real jobs, and place them into a situation of perpetual dependency. I would call on all nations to reject this resolution, and help me sponsor a new bill to make prostitution illegal in all member states.

Theocracy of Carakeilia

My country has socialized medicine anyway, and we're already picking up the tab for the medical costs of prostitution- It's not something that goes away when it is outlawed. By making it legal, you force the practitioners to take care of their own issues, if you have privatized medicine.

Morally, I see no problem. It's up to the individual, and they have to live with it.

Honestly, legalization of prostitution will inflict massive health care costs on all members involved,
So? If the whore and her customers want to pay out the ass for the hospital bill, that's their prerogative.
and legalization sends a message to children that sex is a service that should be marketed and sold.
Why isn't it?
Frankly, it repulses me that so many people have voted for this resolution.
Then you are very and amoral.
When one talks about extending individual rights into abrogation of the criminal code, where does it end?
Is/ought fallacy.
Shall we sanction drinking and driving? A person's right to consume alcohol and drive a car, sounds like upholding individual rights, despite the consequences it entails on the rest of society.
Drinking and driving harms people who did not consent to the act. The same is not true for prostitution.
The damage to the social infrastructure that comes from legalizing this is astronomical,
Too bad. Government's job is protecting individual rights, not protecting "social infrastructure".
If one completely ignores moral grounds,
Actually, a moral individual is obligated to SUPPORT this resolution.
it still has economic costs on the government,
How?
and on the poor, who have to descend to this practice, which is now made available. It would discourage the economically underprivileged from obtaining real jobs,
Aside from the fact that that's wild speculation, it still doesn't justify violating individual rights.
and place them into a situation of perpetual dependency. I would call on all nations to reject this resolution, and help me sponsor a new bill to make prostitution illegal in all member states.
Then you are the most evil, amoral piece of filth in existence.

Prostitution is the creation of Takhisis the Dragonqueen the Queen of Darkness and Mistress of Lust and if as servants of the Light we must vote "NO" to this evil and corrupt proposal and I would ask all those who worship Good and Purity to vote No as well. Paladine the Platinum Dragon rejects this evil called prostitution and those who are good should as well.


High Priest Nadar Zendar
Official UN Representative of the Eternal Holy Star Empire of Istar
In the UN so the Kingpriest doesn’t have to join
The Protectorate of Istar UN Office

The Prussian Principailty is in strong favor of the prostitution proposal. As the UN representative of my government, I can tell you that my nation is always in favor of civil rights.

Some have said that their respective governments feel as though this will show children that sex is a marketable industry. And yet, in the world we live in today, is this not already true? For centuries, the saying "sex sells" has always held up; simply look to advertisements, or any form of entertainment and you will see that sex is obviously already being marketed. Children already have access to all this information, so why wouldn't they already believe sex is an industry?

As to health concerns, my government's recent research me that it has shown there will be no significant increase in STDs. With such obvious opposition to the bill already, my government believes nearly all of those who already buy sex will continue to do so, and approx. 98% those who don't will continue not to( and in fact, the 2% that is expected to switch will eventually drop, once they lose the 'thrill' of it).

My government does not believe religious morals should affect the passing of this proposal. As started with the above research, those who believe prostitution is wrong will obviously not solicit those types of services( and we can state with certainty that no one will be forced to participate and/or watch such acts). The Principality also firmly believes that religion and state should be separate; therefore, we disallow religious groups to force their moral laws on others.

"It is my blessed opportunity to send the word of my Grand Vizier Ezeqeel to the august delegation of the United Nations. I will offer the wisdom of the Light of Kokablel as purely and well as I can, rendering this grand assembly wiser for it."

"As it is said in the third chapter of the book of Turael, 'May not the gift of union meant for the bonding of husband and wife be given in return for goods. Such is an abomination and the perpetraters must needs be executed lest their corrupt hearts blot out the brightness of the light ... the means of execution needs be by fire, that their bodies and souls may be purified of dross before rejoining the Light of Kokablel [may it shine forever].'"

"So it has been, so it must be. The light of Kokabel spake unto the Grand Vizier Ezeqeel and we must follow its will, lest the Light turn from us and leave all in eternal darkness. I beseech you, brothers and sisters to strike down this heathen act, for it is an abomination to all that is pure in this world. Never you mind that it is an old grief, for a grief is a grief is a grief. Would you coddle a hand if it were gangrenous or cut it off? Take the medecine that is needed and slash this from the docket with a blinding strike."

Prostitution, like driving, firearms and "low" risk drugs (alcohol. marijuana and tobacco) are legal but regulated in Boreal Tundra. we are currently voting in favour of the resolution but, we may change our vote based on the specific wording of the resolution.

Those who practice the trade without the proper credentials, or fails to operate within the required standards, are dealt with in the same manner as any other business commiting the same offences.

This proposal does not increase human freedom at all, it just is another excuse for government to tax people...it would benefit the poor if they didn't have to pay taxes.
I am tired of these poorly thought out, poorly worded proposals that waste our time.

Why is the United Nation sanctioning the moral or legal codes of soverign nations? The United Nation is supposed to protect nations from each other, not run other nations over with ideals that will run counter to that of those nations. No nation should be forced to conform their legal code to that of this law, all nations reserve the right to change their moral or legal codes as they wish. This proposal has gone too far and is essentially nations forcing their opinion of morality on nations whose moral values are different. Are we trying turn the UN into a One world, One nation order?

This proposal is so ridiculous! There is a huge moral issue here. Now, I know that government shouldn't take sides on morals, but when laws are made that deal with controversial topics like this, it leads the way to even more radical laws. I'll give you an example. Originally, abortion was only legal in the US when the mother's life was in danger (before Roe v. Wade). Now you can have an abortion for any reason in the first trimester. This will eventually lead to abortions in the second and third trimesters, then to infanticide, and eventually euthanasia. Homosexual marriages (which is now legal in this UN) is now leading to prostitution. Now this will lead to more radical laws concerning sex. Eventually, you might start legalizing statuatory rape, incest, and underage pornography. Is this what you want for our world? The primary purpose of sexual intercourse is for a married man and woman to have a child. We should leave it at that and not make a mockery of the miracle of pro-creation.

Why is the past brought up?
With this new future, all can be made good.
When prostitution is made legal, the safety of both parties has improved. Both the seller, and the buyer. Random drug and disease testing can make sure that those who still can, will, and those who can't, will not.

Even though it is legal, I am sure certain rules can be made with companies that will be the prostitution dispensers will make contracts required, just like subscribing to online porn, so can they with a certain person. Or, if the seller is indepent in their practice, they will be able to ensure there safety with their respective country behind them.

Every year, people from ages 12 to 70+ engage in online, illegal, or real life intercourse. Obviously it is what the people want, and Evolutionary19 plans to give his people what they wish.

Many new rules and laws can be passed to help ensure that safety is at its max for both parties.

Along with safety, there is the money. Which, once taxed, can be diverted to help fight and solve crimes that the people actually want fixed. Or the money can be spent however the respective country desires.

The Dominion of Evolutionary19 plees it's respective Regional Delegate to vote for this proposal.

As for the bringing up of homosexual marriages leading to prositution, I would like to ask those nations to recheck there facts. Wouldn't it be more like heterosexual marraiges just ain't enough, so then came homosexual marriages have to pick up the slack(yes we know how easily this statement can be refuted, and how it is only an angrey response to ignorance.). Having a homosexual marriage is part of the diveristy in life. Just as is the need to have sex. And not everyone has the same options and oppertunities to have sex with people of the opposite or even the same sex. And life isn't always so easy when you can not recieve this type of activity.

I would rather see a man, or woman, have legal sex that they paid for, instead of raping a child, an adult, perform incest, or cause any other problems. Yes this proposal may be crossing moral lines, but if it gives us the oppertunity to help change a negative into a positive on the macro level, why not try?

His ever evolving Greatness,
Evolutionary19

The Dominion of Evolutionary19

Some have said that their respective governments feel as though this will show children that sex is a marketable industry. And yet, in the world we live in today, is this not already true? For centuries, the saying "sex sells" has always held up; simply look to advertisements, or any form of entertainment and you will see that sex is obviously already being marketed. Children already have access to all this information, so why wouldn't they already believe sex is an industry?

quite right- Germaine Greer wrote something on this in "The Female Eunich" I think. Those Christians morally against to the legalisation of Prostitution are ignorant in the sense that they are listening to a book that preaches a superiority of men over women, and as such I still find it unbelievable there are female Christians- but thats beside the point. However those in favour of it are also ignorant if they believe that such an act would end violation of women and men in blackmarket brothels. Just because you legalise something does not mean that everyone will do things legally- there will still be pimps who violate women illegally- there will be brothels who claim to be legal when they arent.

As for this bill the only rational vote is a NO
1. It goes against national sovreignty
2. It is wrong to enforce such a thing on fundamental nations
3. The wording is vague and will not achieve anything
4. There is nothing in the wording that addresses the human rights violations that occur currently in the sex trade.
5. There is also nothing in the bill that will stop the sex worker slave trade, which despite legislation banning slavery will increase as a result of this bill passing as the government will find it impossible to monitor the coming and going of sex workers.
6. It infringes on and waters down laws already made by nations in this area and as such cannot be accepted.

SO VOTE NO!!!!


My government does not believe religious morals should affect the passing of this proposal. As started with the above research, those who believe prostitution is wrong will obviously not solicit those types of services( and we can state with certainty that no one will be forced to participate and/or watch such acts). The Principality also firmly believes that religion and state should be separate; therefore, we disallow religious groups to force their moral laws on others.
Whilst I agree totally with your point there are a number of theocracies in the UN and unless you ban theocracy there will be nations who dont separate their religion on state. However for those nations to enforce their "moral values" on others is nothing shorts of a violation of the right of any human being to not be persecuted or descriminated against because of their religious beliefs (and that includes athiests)

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Cheers all

I say no to this one guys.

While this is a good idea in general, it would have to be proporly monitored and regulated, much like the single brothel the United States has.

But, this should be up to the individual nations, and their peoples beliefs and thoughts on whether or not they want this in their own land.

Here is how I put it to the people of my region:

I have voted against the resolution to legalize prostitution. Not only is prostitution the leading cause of spreading the majority of sexually transmitted diseases (especially AIDS), but street prostitutes are just plain filthy. Many people enter that career field under a shroud of embarrassment, and it is virtually impossible to check all of the world's prostitutes for STDs weekly, or for that matter, ever. Most would not even report, so as to protect their anonymity and privacy. Highly regulated, clean prostitution through call girls and approved brothels in our real-life society generally turns out well (although some STDs have still spread, even with routine medical checks), but the majority of prostitutes are street walkers. Also, prostitution is not a trillion-dollar industry. It may be the world's oldest known profession, and a popular one, but most prostitution is very cheap and very diseased. The burden on the medical industry would by far outweigh any improbable benefits to the economy. Thus, I strongly oppose the United Nations resolution to legalize prostitution. :?:

Why should your government or any government dictate how consenting adults can and can't use their bodies?
New FYADIA's main concerns are social welfare and education, and bringing up children in a nation where they see prostitutes on the streets goes against everything we stand for.

There is currently no prostitution in New FYADIA, and our nation is very proud of it standards of morals and values. Legalising prostitution brings in a new industry that our country could do without. Would you force national power standards on to a country that was happy with using fire?

The United Nations exists to safekeep the rights of citizens, and children have a right to grow up and go to school without having to see filthy sex workers lining our streets.

I am asking that everyone vote AGAINST the proposal and in favor of a new, better worded proposal which will be posted shortly seeking endorsements. I am willing to listen to your requests for changes and will make amendments.

New Legalize Prostitution proposal:

An individual has sovereign rite over their body. For those individuals who wish to sell the use of their bodies for the act of prostitution we propose the following regulations:

1. Each individual who wishes to engage in prostitution be required to register with their local tax and security office.
2. Each individual will be required follow the code of conduct of the UN state in which they are practicing.
3. Registration requirements will be left up to each UN state.
4. Each approved individual will be issued a picture identification card which will be valid in all UN states.
5. Each individual will be required to show said identification card on demand in instances only related to their line of work.
6. Each individual will be required to follow the tax laws of the individual UN state in which they are practicing.
7. A portion of the taxes collected, which is at the discretion of each individual UN state, will be set aside for a mandatory healthcare pool.
8. Each state will be required to provide a confidential toll free number and department to register complaints.

The nations in the region of Amsterdam have decided to support the original UN proposal, for obvious reasons. :) The proposal seems to leave a lot up for interpretation, and could perhaps be worded better. We like your ideas, Evilwaldo, and given the choice would vote for them over the UN proposal. However less liberal nations would probably balk at the additional rules and regulations, and your proposal would stand less of a chance of being approved. Hence, for now, we support the original stance. If you wish to submit your ideas as an amendment to the original proposal after it passes, we will support it 100%.

What kind of morons are you guys. This may be about some other political freedom. but heck legalizing protsitution is just plain evil. The Lord God Almighty destroyed entire cities for this singe corruptness. Prostitution like adultary and fornication are all sins that you not only commit against yourself but against others.

Another piont is whatabout the children wh would be born to these prostitutes and their one time parter? think of all the kids in orphanages waiting to be adopted right now. adding sex to the market is just going to increase the 3 of orphanages we're going to need.
What about abortion thats a big enough problem already. think now of all those unborn HUMAN BABIES that would be put to death, MURDERED!!
Sex is between two consenting adults yes, but for this not to be evil in the eyes of the Lord it is between a husband and a wife.

I am overwhelmed by the thought that all you sick minded pimps out there want to legalize prostitution. (even if this is a game) just so you can dream about your fantasy land and have the body of about any girl or girls that you want. and having them making out w/you just because in your little chunk of rock its now legal because our governing body has no morals whatsoever

Name any religion that puts sex and prostitution up on a pedistal and says "do this, this is good, this is right" can you think of any. Cause i sure can't. if we're always hiding when we have sex or dream about our fantasies. Doin it all in the dark. How can it be right if we're tryin' so hard to hide it from those close to us.

THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO MY OPINION

This is just sad.

Being attacked by people I don't even know.

Well I apologize for being naive and thinking that I could test the waters with ANY kind of proposal.

Why do people become so wrapped up in games like this?

Whatever. I'm resigning soon. Don't bother trying to get me thrown out.

While Godless Savage Garden would personally legalize prostitution, this seems like more of a sovereign issue. When Godless Savage Garden thinks of basic human rights that the UN should defend, the right to sell your body for sex doesn't come to mind.

Assuming (at this point, hoping) that this resolution is knocked down, Godless Savage Garden does suggest either the legalization of prostitution or a heavy crackdown on it from his fellow nations, because this issue definitely isn't one to criminalize and do nothing about.

Why bother?

There are too many childish people crowding Kepone's embassy with hateful messages.

If you cannot debate something peacefully and coherantly, DO NOT DEBATE AT ALL!

Ok, I'm going out of character for a moment Kepone.

Grow up. This is a game. If you are this offended by a rampant debate over a vastly contested issue in real life where many of us are playing roles that are just a little comically obscene in the level of our stances, then you really don't need to be playing this game.

You chose a hotly contested issue. Some people have strong issues with this. I have my own opinion, whereas Ezeqeel of the Holy Empire of Kokablel has his. There are a bunch of us who are probably just here in the 'role' of our nations. Did you expect us to just vote and be done with it? Jeeze buddy, toughen your damned skin.

Good god, I mean this is supposed to be fun, right? Personally, I find being the voice of some half-crazed celestial cult-run nation to be damned amusing. Why don't you take this just a little less seriously and enjoy yourself for once? This place is no example of RL and these policies don't actually affect anyone. Debate to your heart's content, thicken your skin and get it through your dense head that this. is. just. a. game. Any claims to it being some grand experiment fall rather flat, considering the number of regions devoted to booze and babes.

I voted for the resolution, however, it is in need of serious revision. It completely lacks any provisions for saftey, regulations, etc. The only reason I voted for it in its current form is the fact that I doubt it will be brought to the UN again any time soon.

Name any religion that puts sex and prostitution up on a pedistal and says "do this, this is good, this is right" can you think of any. Cause i sure can't.


Yes, there ARE religions that promote sex, such as Wicca and other Pagan religions. Being a Wicca, and thereby supporting the paramount phrase of "An it harm none, do as ye will", I do not see any problems with prostitution per se. If men or women want to sell such services for a profit then let them.

However, I am still voting against this resolution, as it is vaguely worded and says nothing about ensuring the health and protection of the prostitiute. The world of prostitution today is a pool of crime, drugs, and disease, largely due to laws and lack of regulation.

And please spare us more of these self-righteous fanatics.

By legalizing this particular act, you force responsibility upoin your citizens, and free your police up for more important things, like rape and homicide.

Additionally, by legalizing it, you can regulate something that would be going on anyway.

By legalizing this particular act, you force responsibility upoin your citizens, and free your police up for more important things, like rape and homicide.

Additionally, by legalizing it, you can regulate something that would be going on anyway.

if you regulate prostitution you would still be diverting resources from the police to regulate it.

Not necessarily, not if you tax prostitution. If you can regulate it, you can tax it. Tax brings in revenue, revenue helps fund the regulation.

The Confederacy of Caligatio sees this as a distinctly moral issue.

Prostitution is a disgusting "trade," and there is good reason for it to be criminalized. It fosters drug abuse and inner-city trouble.

Todd M.
President of the Confederacy of Caligatio

I think it's more the other way around. I think addicts sometimes turn to prostitution as a means to get drugs. Therefore, addiction fosters prostitution.

Femination feels that properly regulated prostitution would be ideal. However, it has proven very difficult to properly regulate the sex trade. One of the obstacles in the proper regulation of prostitution has to do with the people who have historically been creating the regulations and enforcing them. Sex work is dominated by women performing the sex acts, but by men controlling the industry. Proper regulation would have to involve more than just mandatory condom usage and testing. A great book to read is "Brothel;" it's about the sex workers at Mustang Ranch and it offers a great deal of insight on the subject.

One of the most ignorant proposals I've had the misfortune to read.

The vast majority of sex industry workers are illegally imported or procured sex slaves, often imported from the Asia region, entirely against their will.

The concept of a high class call girl a.k.a Julia Roberts in 'Pretty Woman' or anything of the sort is exactly that- a hollywood concept. Real life is much grimmer. At last count- over 2 million women and girls are sold into the sex slave industry *each year*, largely to be imported into western countries.

It's a vile trade and it's a vile person who supports it.

i agree, so there for i am resigning from the un, and i urge anyone who feels the same to join me

Im sure that this is one of the few debates where there is a strong argument which could be made for every position. My own view is that exploitation and brutalisation of sex workers is aided not controlled by the illegality of the occupation this makes it clandestine and harder to regulate.
Its also true that its not inaccurate to call this the "oldest profession" and we live in the world the way it is not the way we would like it to be a pragmatic approach is usually a sensible one.
Finally there is also an argument on behalf of those whose appearance age or circumstances prevent them from easily forming physical relationships. Prostitution while apparently unpallatable does provide a conduit for their fufilment as sexual beings. It would be easy for those who are young and attractive or simply happily attached to dismiss that need.

If we legalize prostitution, we should be able to charge for a licence, therefore increasing revenue to pay off our debts. The only possible downside is that reckless people who would already do it illegally are now doing it legally.

Doesn't really seem right for the United Nations to be micromanaging the vice laws of it's member nations. It really should be a matter of community standards, and I can tell you that the people of Arcadia of My Youth certainly don't want prostitution in their nation. However, if this resolution passes, the vague wording of it offers a good solution: Since it allows for the taxation of prostitution, anyone engaging in a sex act for money will be taxed at a rate of 1000% (IE: If they are payed $50 for sex, they will owe the government $500). Kind of kills the whole point, doesn't it?

Tribunal Leader Silam Malice’s speech to the citizens of The Empire of Malice debating the topic of the latest UN proposal

Citizens of our noble nation:
We have come far. Not long ago we were a small and meaningless nation with no possibilities for economical growth. Not long ago, our population was unhappy, living under a tyranny. Not long ago we didn’t have meat nor had we any milk. Not long ago, our streets were flourishing with crime. Not long ago, we did not have any reasons to be happy at all.

We have come far!

Today our economy is stronger than ever and growing at a rate any capitalist can envy. Our people enjoy jobs, three hours less work a day and two weeks holiday every year. There are no unemployed people in our entire country. There is nobody who does not receive a pay check of exactly 25 BP’s every week. There is enough meat and milk for every man, women and child in the entire country, thanks to our friends who sent experts to rebuild our breeding programs for our nation animal that provides us with both meat and milk. Crime has been reduced to almost zero after the founding of the Department of Citizen Control & Protection. But we did not stop with this. Crime has been reduced further more with the creation of the new anti-crime system that allows the DCCP to detect and catch criminals just seconds after the crime has been committed.

<crowd cheering for five minutes>

So what reasons are there to complain today?

The UN seems to think there are several reasons. They claim that we are a psychotic dictatorship. They say our country lacks civil rights. They say… They say that our political freedoms are unheard of. Unheard of? And our economy… Our economy is described by words not suitable for any description of an international professionalism that the UN claims to have.

I do not call the UN liars. I pity them. I do. They have not experienced our country. They do not know what we know. They have never lived here like you have.

What is psychotic with the democratic Tribunal, who creates laws only with the intention of giving their citizens a better life? What dictatorship has _three_ independent newspapers that never have the same headlines? How can they label a country where the unemployment rate is zero and everyone makes the same amount of money as a county that has few civil rights? Are you not equal? Have you not got the right to move if you are treated terrible? Have you not the right to come before the Tribunal and complain? <crowd cheering>

And political freedoms? What political freedoms have you not heard of? Why do you need to change a leadership that has brought you nothing but improvements? If you are unhappy, as the UN claims, why do you not then protest? Tell me… Are you unhappy? Do you want to replace the Tribunal with a decadent government with hundreds of representatives and senators all taking bribes and big fat checks? Would you like to throw away money on elections? Will you not rather have a triumvirate were _bribes_ and not political freedoms are unheard of? Do you not want is so?

<crowd cheering>

And when it comes to our economy… Speak up all of you who have no job! <silence>
Speak up all of you who did not receive 25BP’s last week! <silence>
Speak up all of you who have not eaten meat and drunken milk today! <silence>
Do you call jobs, pay checks and food on your table the situation of a country with bad economy. Oh no.

But I do not blame the UN. I do not blame them; I pity them. For they have not experienced your kind of freedom. I can do no more than to pity them for their prejudice.

But our pity is not enough. The UN are trying to increase crime. Yes! Increase crime. Not like the DCCP. Not decrease like in our nation. They expect us to legalize prostitution. They forbid us to trade slaves, and we complied. We understood why it was wrong to trade with human life; our own flesh and blood. And we take responsibility and admit that we were wrong. We can not trade human flesh like rat meat, or cow meat for that sake.

But the UN. No the UN whish to reinstate slave trade just weeks after we abolished it. Not the slavery of working men who receives food. Not slavery that leads to construction of orphanages and hospitals. No. Do you know what they wish for? They wish for the streets of our glorious city of Violenceburg to fill up with hookers, call-girls, prostitutes and pimps.
<Crowd booing>

But we have come too far. We do not accept the law pushed upon us by a decadent and hypocritical UN. No; we do not accept to take orders from an alliance of nations that condemn our country because we have showed that we are better than them. We can not allow ourselves to sink to their level. So we have to do something. We have to do the only right thing.

Today. Today we write history.

We hereby resign from the UN!

<Crowd cheering for two hours while chanting “Tribunal, Tribunal, Tribunal”>

There has always, and always will be a black market. But I don't feel we should legalise it or protect its tradesmen for this fact !?! Hard times are not a reason to legalise prostitution; people steal in hard times, should we legalise that? At the end of the day, whether in hard times or not, prostitution is like selling your soul to the devil, we should never again contemplate legalising it. It is immoral for them to do it for money and it is certainly immoral for the governments to legalise it so that they can tax it!

I'm sorry, when did morality become objective?

Morality is inherently objective. The problem religious fanatics such as Caligatio make is thinking sex is a moral issue, when it's not.

Morality is inherently objective????? I think you need to take some lessons in basic philosophy. Morals and Morality are totally subjective. Everyone has their own set of morals, which probably differ slightly from everyone else's. What one person thinks is a "moral outrage" might be perfectly acceptable to another person. I'm afraid you're just wrong on that one.

Sex can be a moral issue, it depends on your morals.

I'm sorry, when did morality become objective?

Morality is inherently objective. The problem religious fanatics such as Caligatio make is thinking sex is a moral issue, when it's not.

Morality is inherently objective????? I think you need to take some lessons in basic philosophy. Morals and Morality are totally subjective. Everyone has their own set of morals, which probably differ slightly from everyone else's. What one person thinks is a "moral outrage" might be perfectly acceptable to another person. I'm afraid you're just wrong on that one.

Sex can be a moral issue, it depends on your morals.

I feel that this is the basis for a good proposal, but for the wrong reasons. You don't legalise something purely to tax it, you legalise it to reduce the problems that come with unregulated illegal things.

This proposal suggests that because prostotution happens and will never stop it should be legalised. I agree. It then goes on to suggest that the government should tax the profits made from prostitution and put them towards the poor, which is a a commendable idea in the fact that it is selfless, but I think it misses the bigger picture.

Prostitution should be legalised so that the people who turn to prostitution can be better looked after i.e. safer, cleaner working conditions, proper pay, basic human rights etc.. It would be simply wrong to tax them unfairly based purely on their profession.

Legalised prostition should only happen if the purpose is to relieve prostitutes of their second class citizen status, not to help business men not break the law and then ease their consciences by putting some of their money to a worthy cause.

Think about it.

By legalizing this particular act, you force responsibility upoin your citizens, and free your police up for more important things, like rape and homicide.

Additionally, by legalizing it, you can regulate something that would be going on anyway.
Your naivety is astounding, do you not believe that homicide and rape are also linked to prostitution?

By passing this act, you are not forcing responsibility on your citizens, you are forcing smut, perversion and disease upon them. While New FYADIA holds social progression as one of the most important issues, we will not allow ourselves to be told which industries should be legal and which shouldn't. Prostitution will harm us, ethically, morally, financially and criminally. This act is criminal! It will introduce into New FYADIA a blackness of the soul that will destroy our way of life.

New FYADIA does not need, nor want prostitution.

The morality of the argument is not the point here. This is clearly a moral issue which will divide those of all political and cultural hues. I can perceive little or no benefit from international vs. national legislation therefore it is not a matter for the UN.

Personally I would legalize it, but I cannot endorse this proposal, it's a matter for nation states, and not the UN.

Unfortunately, you don't get to write your own law if this passes, you don't get to change the wording (which isn't even grammatical), the rules say you must enact laws to make the resolution stand.

If you're really keen, fine, legalize in your own nation, but clearly some people are vehemently against. It's morally dubious to force this upon them since it adds nothing to your own country that a national law wouldn't provide, whilst compromising their legal systems and beliefs. It's a bad law.

we vote "yes"

One of the main reasons is because
we can bring this part of our unregulated work force under the same "occupational health and safety " laws as other hard working members of our community.

Morals be buggered. !!!!! ITS ALL about the worker !!!!!
weather they be cleaning your toilet, building the new shopping centre or laying your man !!


have a nice day :)

Our workers have and deserve universal rights of employment !

A NO vote on this resolution is a vote for legalized prostitution- in the countries that decide they want it. There is nothing is current international law that stops a country from decriminalizing this act, so there is no need for a UN resolution "legalizing" it.

A YES vote on this resolution is a vote for mandatory legal prostitution in all countries, regardless of their wishes.

We call upon all UN Members to strike a blow for national sovereignty by voting NO on this resolution.

Thank You,
PM Adam Johmama
Commonwealth of Joemamastan

A NO vote on this resolution is a vote for legalized prostitution- in the countries that decide they want it. There is nothing is current international law that stops a country from decriminalizing this act, so there is no need for a UN resolution "legalizing" it.

A YES vote on this resolution is a vote for mandatory legal prostitution in all countries, regardless of their wishes.

We call upon all UN Members to strike a blow for national sovereignty by voting NO on this resolution.

Thank You,
PM Adam Johmama
Commonwealth of Joemamastan

Fredona is decidedly against legalizing prostitution. What kind of message do those governments who are voteing for this proposal want to send to their respective peoples? That this demoralising and utterly deplorable profession is acceptable as a means of living. Those people unfortunate enough to have to partake in it usually are forced into it due to economic circumstances, to feed a drug habit, or because they are sold into it. The associated crimes such as trafficing, drugs and slaves should that be legalised as well? Fredona is disguisted that this proposal has even been considered never mind that it seems to be popularily embrassed.

I'm sorry, when did morality become objective?

Morality is inherently objective. The problem religious fanatics such as Caligatio make is thinking sex is a moral issue, when it's not.

Morality is inherently objective????? I think you need to take some lessons in basic philosophy. Morals and Morality are totally subjective. Everyone has their own set of morals, which probably differ slightly from everyone else's. What one person thinks is a "moral outrage" might be perfectly acceptable to another person. I'm afraid you're just wrong on that one.


That is very ignorant. There is one objectively correct system of morality. That different people have different morals is a consequence of their failure to accept the correct system, not because morality is non-objective.

It is YOU who needs some philosophy.

Slags who have to sell sex for a living are usually ugly bitches who didn't come for decent backgrounds, and so didn't go to decent schools, and so didn't get good enough exam results to go to decent universities.

They should be allowed to become whores if they legally state that they are using contraceptives. If they got pregnant, then they would rely on child benefit which would cost the taxpayer.

If they weren't allowed to become whores then they would find some other way of making money such as arriving at peoples doors with a fake baby (usually a doll) and expecting to be given money.

The argument has been made that prostitution results in a grim life for the prostitutes. However, because the business is (by necessity) run by criminals, the purveyors taint the product. Legalized prostitution would take the trade out of the shadows and out of the hands of criminals, and bring it into the light for regulation and the protection of the workers. Who knows? It may even lend respectability and status to the plyers of the trade.

ChutneyLand votes for the legalization of prostitution.

The argument has been made that prostitution results in a grim life for the prostitutes. However, because the business is (by necessity) run by criminals, the purveyors taint the product. Legalized prostitution would take the trade out of the shadows and out of the hands of criminals, and bring it into the light for regulation and the protection of the workers. Who knows? It may even lend respectability and status to the plyers of the trade.

ChutneyLand votes of the legalization of prostitution.

The argument has been made that prostitution results in a grim life for the prostitutes. However, because the business is (by necessity) run by criminals, the purveyors taint the product. Legalized prostitution would take the trade out of the shadows and out of the hands of criminals, and bring it into the light for regulation and the protection of the workers. Who knows? It may even lend respectability and status to the plyers of the trade.

ChutneyLand votes for the legalization of prostitution.

The way I see it, prostitution should be legal, and we have voted for this Resolution.

First of all, it is the one business deal I can thin of where the consumer doesn't mind getting screwed!

Second, a prostitute has the best deal going....they got something...they sell it...and they still got it!!

Now, I WOULD illegalize pimping. Pimps are parasites!

They way legal prostitution will be handled in Labrador (and we will legalize it, whether or not this Resolution passes) will be modeled after the way they handle it in Nevada.

There will be state-run "cathouses" where both women and men who voluntarily choose to engage in prostitution will be able to prostitute themselves in a safe, clean environment. Each prostitute will rent a room by the month in a "cathouse." She or he will set their own schedule, working as much, or as little, as they choose. And they will have the right to refuse any John...or Joan...that they want to resfuse. They will lso set their own prices.

There will be required use of condoms for all prostitutes, and mandatory monthly STD screenings. Only those prostitutes who get a clean bll of health will be able to rent a room in the "cathouse." They must produce this clean bill of health every month, at renewal time.

This is the only form in which prostitution shall be legal. Street workers will remain illegal, and anyone who is guilty of pimping shall be tried, convicted and executed as the scum they are!

The way we see it in Labrador, it is not the government's place to enforce "morality" and our police force has more important things to do than to enforce morality. Those who want a prostitute will get one, whether it is legal or not, so might as well make it clean, safe, and legal.

Furthermore, it is the position of the Labradorian government that people are the sole holder of Title Deed to their own bodies. So long as what they are doing does not endanger other people, encroach upon the rights of others, and is done between consenting adults...it is not the government's place to tell them that they can't.

Meanwhile, it is also our position that, if you are such a prude that you can't handle prostitution, or sex...and can't bear the thought of other people engaging in sex...they don't YOU engage in sex. don't try to tell others that THEY can't.

There will be different "cathouses" for different types of prostitutes, and clients. One where men wlll be able to protitute themselves to women...others where men will be able to prostitute themselves to other men...smae for women. and there will be "cathouses" where the prostitutes are transgender...are into leather, are into B&D or S&M...just about any sort of thing you can think of will be catered to....in a safe, clean, legal environment.

Again, keep your "holier-than-thou" morals OUT of our lawbooks in Labrador!

Thank you!

I'm sorry, when did morality become objective?

Morality is inherently objective. The problem religious fanatics such as Caligatio make is thinking sex is a moral issue, when it's not.

Morality is inherently objective????? I think you need to take some lessons in basic philosophy. Morals and Morality are totally subjective. Everyone has their own set of morals, which probably differ slightly from everyone else's. What one person thinks is a "moral outrage" might be perfectly acceptable to another person. I'm afraid you're just wrong on that one.


That is very ignorant. There is one objectively correct system of morality. That different people have different morals is a consequence of their failure to accept the correct system, not because morality is non-objective.

It is YOU who needs some philosophy.

Ah, yes...and I am sure that the "correct" system of morality is the one that YOU happen to hold! Do I win the cigar? If so, I'd like an El Producto, please, no cheap White Owls for me.

You holier-than-thou types just never cease to amaze me!

Well, you can keep your holier-than-thou morals OFF my civil law books, okay? Thank you very much.

Even your own Bible says..."Worry about the plank in your own eye before you worry about the speck in your neighbor's eye." You holier-than-thou types are sure great at pointing that finger, aren't you? Except, of course, that you lack the courage to point that finger at your own self!

Just remember for every finger you point, there are three pointing back at you!

And again...keep YOUR morals off MY lawbooks! :evil:

Doesn't it bother anyone that it provides no protection against the prostitution of children? If you read the proposal, it is clear that the proposal would force all UN nations to legalize prostitution in all its forms. This proposal needs to be worked a bit more. Also, I believe this proposal is pushing the bounds of UN authority too far. I would support this proposal if it provided protections for prostitutes, but it does not.

One of the most ignorant proposals I've had the misfortune to read.

The vast majority of sex industry workers are illegally imported or procured sex slaves, often imported from the Asia region, entirely against their will.

The concept of a high class call girl a.k.a Julia Roberts in 'Pretty Woman' or anything of the sort is exactly that- a hollywood concept. Real life is much grimmer. At last count- over 2 million women and girls are sold into the sex slave industry *each year*, largely to be imported into western countries.

It's a vile trade and it's a vile person who supports it.

i agree, so there for i am resigning from the un, and i urge anyone who feels the same to join me

We of the Grand Atoll urge our sister nation to caution. The proposal has not passed and - please Goddess - will not be passed. If you remain in the UN, at least you can let your voice - through your vote - be heard.

Doesn't it bother anyone that it provides no protection against the prostitution of children? If you read the proposal, it is clear that the proposal would force all UN nations to legalize prostitution in all its forms. This proposal needs to be worked a bit more. Also, I believe this proposal is pushing the bounds of UN authority too far. I would support this proposal if it provided protections for prostitutes, but it does not.

Ah, but one can enact laws that comply with the Resolution, and address those very points. See our posting above as to how prostitution shall be legalized in Labrador.

Hell, it'll be another boost to our tourist industry if this doesn't pass, because we are legalizing it, effective immediately, in Labrador. And, as I said before, this is the best of all business deals, because, at least in this one, the consumer doesn't mind getting screwed! :lol:

Doesn't it bother anyone that it provides no protection against the prostitution of children? If you read the proposal, it is clear that the proposal would force all UN nations to legalize prostitution in all its forms. This proposal needs to be worked a bit more. Also, I believe this proposal is pushing the bounds of UN authority too far. I would support this proposal if it provided protections for prostitutes, but it does not.

Ah, but one can enact laws that comply with the Resolution, and address those very points. See our posting above as to how prostitution shall be legalized in Labrador.

Hell, it'll be another boost to our tourist industry if this doesn't pass, because we are legalizing it, effective immediately, in Labrador. And, as I said before, this is the best of all business deals, because, at least in this one, the consumer doesn't mind getting screwed! :lol:

Perhaps that is how it should stay? This is a decision a nation needs to make on it's own, having it forced upon them will just create backlash.

The U.N. is clearly overstepping it's boundaries on this issue.

The sovereign nation of Marlins is not completely against the legalization of prostitution, but even we must admit that this proposal is so vague and open-ended that it should not be voted for in the United Nations. Only under strict regulations should prostitution be legalized. Prostitutes should be made to obtain a license that says they are STD free and healthy enough to be a prostitute. The last thing we need is prostitutes with STDs and other diseases spreading these things. The nation of Marlins would support a proposal that addressed this issue. But as written, the current proposal would not take care of this obviously necessary item. I sincerely urge all nations of the United Nations to vote no on this proposal until the time when another nation will step forward with a more clear, concise, and better thought out proposal about the legalization of prostitution.

While I personally am for this resolution, I voted against. This resolution is being pushed through the UN by the Alliance of Socialist States! Even though, as a capitalist, I believe the government has no right to tell people what to do, the fact is that this resolution is a battle between the Slavish Socialists and us Free Capitalists. I urge all Capitalists to vote AGAINST, in order to keep the United Nations free. It can't become dominated by socialists.

And what of the nations not ready for this?

What of their people currently in this dark industry?

What of their subsequent ostracizing from their own nation?

And what of the persecution that follows?

What of the bloodshed and havok that will be wrought upon these people because of our selfishness?

They will be persecuted and killed by mobs in conservative and right wing governments because of a backlash instinct of being FORCED to do something you are ideologically opposed to.

As civilized, progressive nations... we need to recognize the sovereign rights of our ideological opposites. We need to acknowledge the fact that our path is not he only way.....

If we force this proposal upon others, may God have mercy upon our souls... for we shall have dipped our hands in the blood of innocents.

I'm sorry, when did morality become objective?

Morality is inherently objective. The problem religious fanatics such as Caligatio make is thinking sex is a moral issue, when it's not.

Morality is inherently objective????? I think you need to take some lessons in basic philosophy. Morals and Morality are totally subjective. Everyone has their own set of morals, which probably differ slightly from everyone else's. What one person thinks is a "moral outrage" might be perfectly acceptable to another person. I'm afraid you're just wrong on that one.


That is very ignorant. There is one objectively correct system of morality. That different people have different morals is a consequence of their failure to accept the correct system, not because morality is non-objective.

It is YOU who needs some philosophy.

Ah, yes...and I am sure that the "correct" system of morality is the one that YOU happen to hold! Do I win the cigar? If so, I'd like an El Producto, please, no cheap White Owls for me.

You holier-than-thou types just never cease to amaze me!

Well, you can keep your holier-than-thou morals OFF my civil law books, okay? Thank you very much.

Even your own Bible says..."Worry about the plank in your own eye before you worry about the speck in your neighbor's eye." You holier-than-thou types are sure great at pointing that finger, aren't you? Except, of course, that you lack the courage to point that finger at your own self!

Just remember for every finger you point, there are three pointing back at you!

And again...keep YOUR morals off MY lawbooks! :evil:

Well I dont want any hands on my damn law books either, specifically hands that would legalize prostitution in MY country. It's those who are voting for this proposal that are mucking around with the law as it is now.

The Empire of Kukonaitsu feels concerned that those immediately rejecting this proposal are not considering both sides carefully.

It seems clear what will happen if it is NOT legalized--things will logically remain as they are now. Currently the horrors, misfortunes, and inadequate life situations of prostitutes are VERY GRADUALLY improving. This improvement is so slow that it is really not doing enough good to be accounted for. The government needs to step in on this issue, rather than maintaing a deaf ear to the problem. It is the government's responsibility to take responsibility for those under its power. These women are in a painful situation, and as they don't often have that choice as to whether to participate in the profession or not, it seems logical that the government try to provide them some sort of aid. This can be much more successfully done if the practice itself is made legal so the women can stop scrambling for cover every time they see law enforcement coming.

The Empire of Kukonaitsu encourages other nations to promote this proposal. Yes, it is vague, but it is an important first step to the spreading of individual rights and liberties.

The Empire of Kukonaitsu feels concerned that those immediately rejecting this proposal are not considering both sides carefully.

It seems clear what will happen if it is NOT legalized--things will logically remain as they are now. Currently the horrors, misfortunes, and inadequate life situations of prostitutes are VERY GRADUALLY improving. This improvement is so slow that it is really not doing enough good to be accounted for. The government needs to step in on this issue, rather than maintaing a deaf ear to the problem. It is the government's responsibility to take responsibility for those under its power. These women are in a painful situation, and as they don't often have that choice as to whether to participate in the profession or not, it seems logical that the government try to provide them some sort of aid. This can be much more successfully done if the practice itself is made legal so the women can stop scrambling for cover every time they see law enforcement coming.

The Empire of Kukonaitsu encourages other nations to promote this proposal. Yes, it is vague, but it is an important first step to the spreading of individual rights and liberties.

The Empire of Kukonaitsu feels concerned that those immediately rejecting this proposal are not considering both sides carefully.

It seems clear what will happen if it is NOT legalized--things will logically remain as they are now. Currently the horrors, misfortunes, and inadequate life situations of prostitutes are VERY GRADUALLY improving. This improvement is so slow that it is really not doing enough good to be accounted for. The government needs to step in on this issue, rather than maintaing a deaf ear to the problem. It is the government's responsibility to take responsibility for those under its power. These women are in a painful situation, and as they don't often have that choice as to whether to participate in the profession or not, it seems logical that the government try to provide them some sort of aid. This can be much more successfully done if the practice itself is made legal so the women can stop scrambling for cover every time they see law enforcement coming.

The Empire of Kukonaitsu encourages other nations to promote this proposal. Yes, it is vague, but it is an important first step to the spreading of individual rights and liberties.
So we should force nations to respect the women's rights to disrespect themselves? Besides, there are better ways to make sure the position of the female is respected than forcing every nation to preserve the right to sell one's body. You, by saying this, are declaring that prostitution is a way for a women can gain relief from their troubles, not more government social programs. Are you advocating that prostitution is more effective than laws, social programs, or welfare? We feel that is wrong, no nation should be forced to sacrifice social program for the masses just to assure they can carry out health regulations for the few.

Prostitution is just a gateway for an epidemic of STDs and more 'legalized' criminal activitiy. And eventually lead to a cesspool of diseased human garbage that would be at the expense of most health care systems instead of letting them rot away like they should. Against all the way.

The Empire of Kukonaitsu feels concerned that those immediately rejecting this proposal are not considering both sides carefully.

It seems clear what will happen if it is NOT legalized--things will logically remain as they are now. Currently the horrors, misfortunes, and inadequate life situations of prostitutes are VERY GRADUALLY improving. This improvement is so slow that it is really not doing enough good to be accounted for. The government needs to step in on this issue, rather than maintaing a deaf ear to the problem. It is the government's responsibility to take responsibility for those under its power. These women are in a painful situation, and as they don't often have that choice as to whether to participate in the profession or not, it seems logical that the government try to provide them some sort of aid. This can be much more successfully done if the practice itself is made legal so the women can stop scrambling for cover every time they see law enforcement coming.

The Empire of Kukonaitsu encourages other nations to promote this proposal. Yes, it is vague, but it is an important first step to the spreading of individual rights and liberties.

*shakes head* and defy the rights of individual governments to declare their own laws in these regards. Individual nations are no longer permitted to decide the ethics and laws they uphold. The United Nations must be all one homogenous family. Perhaps the United Nations will next desire that we become senators in an unequal and stinted democratic union of all nations, now called states.

*wry grin* Is it just to jam your views of ethics and civil liberties down our throats to this extent?

Even prostitution, in the long run, may become a more or less respectable profession. . . That quality will surely attach to it if ever it grows quite unnecessary; whatever is unnecessary is always respectable, for example, religion, fashionable clothing, and a knowledge of Latin grammar. The prostitute is disesteemed today, not because her trade involves anything intrinsically degrading or even disagreeable, but because she is currently assumed to have been driven into it by dire necessity, against her dignity and inclination. . . The truth is that prostitution is one of the most attractive of the occupations practically open to the sort of women who engage in it. . .If she complains of it, then you may be sure that her success is below her expectations. A starving lawyer always sees injustice, in the courts.
-H.L. Mencken

Still and all, the Republic of Bokonon42 votes against. Let every country that would legalize it, do so. Let those that won't, not.

A recent resolution passed by this body gave "Workers Rights," to all citizens of the U.N.

Legalized Prostitution would fall under those guidelines. This includes "Child Labor." Which would allow nations to enact greater penalties for violations of the law.

Prostitutes would also be considered self employed, and able to transact with HMO services. Employees would also be able to collect from Health and Human services, and Unionize. They would also be able to lobby government for their benefit. (Cuts out the middleman for most other lobbying groups.)

Keeping Prostitution illegal provides a universal guideline for all illegal acts committed under the sale of sexual acts. In other words because it is illegal, anything goes. Maintaining the illegality of Prostitution only allows for the sufferance of those who have no other alternative.

Double post. FIX THESE FORUMS!

Does a coin have two sides?

On one hand we have people, that from different views cant get close to a nother human being...On the other hand on witch ground do we even speak about another guy or girl to prostitute him/her selves???

Its an moral dilemma that the modern world cant do with out prostitution!!!

The republic of Gesthrike can´t say yes to this issue because of the humans rigths. And studies show that prostitute all over the world would do differently if they had the chanse.
Let us instead start a movement that gives all the citisents of the world the same possiblility to education, job and a future and we´ll se that prostitution is not nessacerly.


With regards

The president of Gesthrike.


Michael Oar

Does a coin have two sides?

On one hand we have people, that from different views cant get close to a nother human being...On the other hand on witch ground do we even speak about another guy or girl to prostitute him/her selves???

Its an moral dilemma that the modern world cant do with out prostitution!!!

The republic of Gesthrike can´t say yes to this issue because of the humans rigths. And studies show that prostitute all over the world would do differently if they had the chanse.
Let us instead start a movement that gives all the citisents of the world the same possiblility to education, job and a future and we´ll se that prostitution is not nessacerly.


With regards

The president of Gesthrike.


Michael Oar

This resolution will pass for 1 main reason.

Look at the demographic of people playing this game. It is a healthy mixture of 43 year old nerds living in their mom's basement only playing this game in between a good LARP, and 12 year old nerds only playing this game between games of D&D and counterstrike.

So debating this is an exercise in futility.

I know this will get tons of flame so just so you are all aware, the delegate from Hanszen is a 59 year old nerd living in his mom's basement only playing this game between games of Tetris and Starcraft.

This resolution will pass for 1 main reason.

Look at the demographic of people playing this game. It is a healthy mixture of 43 year old nerds living in their mom's basement only playing this game in between a good LARP, and 12 year old nerds only playing this game between games of D&D and counterstrike.

So debating this is an exercise in futility.

I know this will get tons of flame so just so you are all aware, the delegate from Hanszen is a 59 year old nerd living in his mom's basement only playing this game between games of Tetris and Starcraft.

:mrgreen: Nerd.

Even your own Bible says

Ehh...what bible?

Even your own Bible says

Ehh...what bible?

My nation *has* no crime. Banning prostitution won't help crime. It's already under control. Legalizing things will eventually just have everything legal--even things that shouldn't be. And forcing your moral standards on others is not what the UN is about.

This legislation is badly worded, and only takes the matter so far. Unfortunately, sexual activity can promote a variety of diseases, none of which are taken into account by this legislation.

I suggest that this proposal should be withdrawn until such time as there is included in it some additional proposal governing the legal requirements of each state to provide health care, medical supervision and advice for the workers adn thier customers.

Otherwise will will promote a epidemic of such proprtions thatit does not bear thinking about.

Hay, let the girls get more bang for there buck!

Legalize prostitution???? i think not !!!!!! if this new law is passed i will be force to leave the United Nations!!!!! i will not take part in a world where the legalize SEX as a profession!! i find this incrediably unexcpetable and totally gross!!!!!! if you alow this what kind of future will be sending the future of our socitey. Teenagers will think it is ok and wee will have a boom in teen pregnacy and we will be stuck with a baby boom!!! i will under no sercamstance agree!

The People's Republic of Djibouti Djibouti

Let's vote this proposal down!

Let's vote this proposal down!

Let's vote this proposal down!

Let's vote this proposal down!

Let's vote this proposal down!

Let's vote this proposal down!

Let's vote this proposal down!

Still and all, the Republic of Bokonon42 votes against. Let every country that would legalize it, do so. Let those that won't, not.

Well said, Bokonon42! We of the Grand Atoll will not force other nations to bend to our laws, and will reserve the right not to bend to the laws of other nations, in this issue.

its their choice

Djibouti Djibouti, you said it was totally gross? pathetic, until the year comes when you can make an informed adult decision, stop commenting on things you don't understand. if prostitution was legalized, it would be highly regulated and prostitutes would fall under many worker safety laws.
And you think teens are the only ones to seek prostitutes?

heard about AIDS? this case of infection would balloon from toy balloon to hot air balloon if prostitution would be legalized. of course, arrest those bootilicious and send them to rehab same thing with those "hotdogs w/ 2 balls".

The Dictator of Pronopia had this to say in this evening news brief, "Prostitution is a business, pure and simple. The porn industry rakes in a ridiculous amount of money every year. The attempt to deny the fact that the human race is a sexual species by making prostitution illegal is silly and unreasonable. To quote moral objections in an attempt to rationalize the illegalization of prostitution is just another attempt by religious Zealots to deny the practicalities and real life ramifications of reality."

From the voting one might deduce that:

* there are more males playing NationStates than females.
* many of those males have difficulty forming permanent and satisfying relationships.
* but they do have some money.
* they do not appreciate their female counterparts' social difficulties in the face of unfair competition.
* they see no connection between morality and the building and maintenance of families or the limiting of behaviorally-controllable disease vectors.
* they may superstitiously believe Science will be able to fix anything that comes along in the way of such diseases.

Grow up, boys.

From the voting one might deduce that:

* there are more males playing NationStates than females.
* many of those males have difficulty forming permanent and satisfying relationships.
* but they do have some money.
* they do not appreciate their female counterparts' social difficulties in the face of unfair competition.
* they see no connection between morality and the building and maintenance of families or the limiting of behaviorally-controllable disease vectors.
* they may superstitiously believe Science will be able to fix anything that comes along in the way of such diseases.

Grow up, boys.

legalized prostitution is REGULATED prostitution, and its also a way to increase tax revenues.

make all hoes work in bunny ranches or brothels. we get property taxes and mortgage taxes, state local and municipality taxes.

all transactions are recorded sales. we get state local and municipal sales tax.

all hoes are now W2 employees, as the regulations forbid them from being 'independent contractors' they can only work for one brothel/ranch at once, therefore their income is TAXED. federal state and local taxes as well as medicare.

if anyone has ever been to Las Vegas and seen people paying 2k/hr for a bunny ranch girl...thats a lotta frickin tax baby! by the way if you havent, there was an HBO special on bunny ranches, hence where i found out about the 2k/hr thing.

TAX is GOOD GOVERNMENT!!!

^ Yep, thats about how it is. :P

From the voting one might deduce that:

* there are more males playing NationStates than females.
* many of those males have difficulty forming permanent and satisfying relationships.
* but they do have some money.
* they do not appreciate their female counterparts' social difficulties in the face of unfair competition.
* they see no connection between morality and the building and maintenance of families or the limiting of behaviorally-controllable disease vectors.
* they may superstitiously believe Science will be able to fix anything that comes along in the way of such diseases.

Grow up, boys.

Are you telling me that males cannot be prostitutes?The proposal to legalize protitution says nothing about femaly only prostitution. Do you also believe that only females can have economic troubles( clearly your country is in a sad state of affairs if your men and women do not recieve equal pay!)? While I do not mean to be presumptuous, it seems yours is a sexist nation.

You also seem to believe that by marriage( and thus theoretically ending the demand for prostitution), sexually transmiitted diseases suddenly are eliminated and cannot be contracted. This is certainly untrue. Also, the scientists of Prussia, while having no created a cure for AIDS or cancer( or any disease) yet, certainly show no sign of any task being impossible.

Even if it is legalized, undoubtedly those who agree with prostitution will continue to solicit those services, and those who disagree will continue to um... not solicit them. However, with the legalization, prositution can become a regulated business (subject to very strict health and government regulations) and those who enjoy its services will no longer clutter the Prussian prisons. Prostitution may even become a fairy high-class job, as it once was( the Prussian ambassador now cites ancient greco-roman brothels, and more recently, red-light districts of Hawaii in World War 2).

Give me a break, guys. I know, I know, everyone wants some. However, with STD's, AIDS, HIV, and what-have-you flying around all over the place, I really don't think it's a good idea to make picking up hookers legal.

The Confederacy of Caligatio, despite the attempts to convince otherwise, and the threats upon his nation and region by those nations inhabiting the Internationale, continues to see the issue of legalizing prostitution as a moral issue, to be decided by each sovereign nation.

The Confederacy of Caligatio claims no state religion, but considers itself a nation influenced by the inherent spirtuality and morality of its inhabitants. Thus, Caligatio remains opposed to such a bill which promotes immorality and defies the sovereignty of every nation of the U.N.

Todd M.
President of the Confederacy of Caligatio

The President of the Confederacy of Caligatio, despite the attempts to convince otherwise, and the threats upon his nation and region by those nations inhabiting the Internationale, continues to see the issue of legalizing prostitution as a moral issue, to be decided by each sovereign nation.

The Confederacy of Caligatio claims no state religion, but considers itself a nation influenced by the inherent spirtuality and morality of its inhabitants. Thus, Caligatio remains opposed to such a bill which promotes immorality and defies the sovereignty of every nation of the U.N.

Todd M.
President of the Confederacy of Caligatio

I voted against this resolution for one reason, and one reason only -- I feel that issues such as these are better left up to the decisions of national governments. We've already established throughout this thread that many, many nations have differing points of view. Why should a decision about such a *moral* issue be implemented in all nations when it goes against the moral basis of some nations?

I personally feel that this could make for a very good national issue, and I'm honestly not sure how I would respond. While I do see the economic benefit, I'm not sure if "legalizing" prostitution would make things safer for *all* prostitutes. There have been mentions of those sold into the sex slave industry already, and many times these groups are underground, which makes it difficult to get information or figures. Who's to say that they won't "disband" and just continue to conduct things as they've been doing for years?

Anyhow, I say vote no, because this isn't the type of issue that the UN should be worrying about. This is a national issue, not an international one, IMHO.

Yours,
~Lizzy Hall~
Benevolent Leader of the United Monkey Feet of Mousebumples

That is very ignorant. There is one objectively correct system of morality. That different people have different morals is a consequence of their failure to accept the correct system, not because morality is non-objective.

It's statements like this that make me glad that this is a game.

From the voting one might deduce that:

* there are more males playing NationStates than females.
* many of those males have difficulty forming permanent and satisfying relationships.
* but they do have some money.
* they do not appreciate their female counterparts' social difficulties in the face of unfair competition.
* they see no connection between morality and the building and maintenance of families or the limiting of behaviorally-controllable disease vectors.
* they may superstitiously believe Science will be able to fix anything that comes along in the way of such diseases.

Grow up, boys.

What can i say to this. Beside the fact that i dont care. The fact is, prostitution isnt a horrible thing. If its its legalized, its not like good honest people would be contracting STD's like aids. I mean, its a persons choice to either sell thier bodies, or purchase time with anothers. Its not forced on anyone.

Your naivety is astounding, do you not believe that homicide and rape are also linked to prostitution?

When prostitution is performed in illcit circumstances, of course they are. Hence my "yes" vote.

By passing this act, you are not forcing responsibility on your citizens, you are forcing smut, perversion and disease upon them.

No. I am allowing those who want smut and perversion to get it without violating the law. I see nothing wrong with that. It's their funeral. As for disease, it is far easier to keep track of when you are regulating and governing it.

The one who is naive is you. This stuff goes on anyway. We just want to be able to keep tabs on it.

Your naivety is astounding, do you not believe that homicide and rape are also linked to prostitution?

When prostitution is performed in illcit circumstances, of course they are. Hence my "yes" vote.

By passing this act, you are not forcing responsibility on your citizens, you are forcing smut, perversion and disease upon them.

No. I am allowing those who want smut and perversion to get it without violating the law. I see nothing wrong with that. It's their funeral. As for disease, it is far easier to keep track of when you are regulating and governing it.

The one who is naive is you. This stuff goes on anyway. We just want to be able to keep tabs on it.

Your naivety is astounding, do you not believe that homicide and rape are also linked to prostitution?

When prostitution is performed in illcit circumstances, of course they are. Hence my "yes" vote.

By passing this act, you are not forcing responsibility on your citizens, you are forcing smut, perversion and disease upon them.

No. I am allowing those who want smut and perversion to get it without violating the law. I see nothing wrong with that. It's their funeral. As for disease, it is far easier to keep track of when you are regulating and governing it.

The one who is naive is you. This stuff goes on anyway. We just want to be able to keep tabs on it.

From the voting one might deduce that:

* there are more males playing NationStates than females.
* many of those males have difficulty forming permanent and satisfying relationships.
* but they do have some money.
* they do not appreciate their female counterparts' social difficulties in the face of unfair competition.
* they see no connection between morality and the building and maintenance of families or the limiting of behaviorally-controllable disease vectors.
* they may superstitiously believe Science will be able to fix anything that comes along in the way of such diseases.

Or, more likely, they realize that government has no place regulating the voluntary transactions between individuals.

Stop being a moron.

From the voting one might deduce that:

* there are more males playing NationStates than females.
* many of those males have difficulty forming permanent and satisfying relationships.
* but they do have some money.
* they do not appreciate their female counterparts' social difficulties in the face of unfair competition.
* they see no connection between morality and the building and maintenance of families or the limiting of behaviorally-controllable disease vectors.
* they may superstitiously believe Science will be able to fix anything that comes along in the way of such diseases.

Grow up, boys.

I find this terribly insulting as a player of NationStates. I am a woman who believes that all women should be protected, even in a make-believe world. I do not employ prostitutes, and I am not a prostitute. However, the plight of many sex workers has led me to believe that their rights must be protected as are the rights of every other laborer. Are the men and women in this industry suddenly sub-human? Aren't they entitled to pretections in the work place?

Those who say that selling your body is wrong...do you think modelling is wrong? Do you think that volunteering for a medical study is wrong? Those with high-brow morality and a lack of understanding of life issues may feel that they can discriminate against a chosen profession, but both Mataradesh and myself as a person believe that every man and woman should have protection under labor laws.

How the hell did I post so many freaking times? I only clicked the sumbit button once!

If you disagree with what I say please post a reply saying so. I just wanted to summerize the arguements for and against this resolution.

For, With prositution legalized Tax will increase. Crimes commited against prostutatutes will go down because they can go to court and not be afraid of being thrown in jail for being a prositute. With prositution legalized prositutes can go to doctors to get tested without being afraid, and get tested more often. Like many people have said, prositutes run a great risk everytime they do it, with this major source of STDs mostly shut down STD rates will also go down. It will continue no matter what we do so if we legalize it we can steer it our way. And it is one of the world's oldest profesions.

Against, It is morally reprehensable. Most of the prositutes are slaves brought in from asia. Legalizing it will not clean it up or make it any safer. Legalizing it will make STD infection rates go up through the roof. And again because it is one of the main points, It is morally reprehensable.

Now personally I voted yes for the resoultion so naturally my views are a little slanted.

I just wanted to throw a little more fuel on this fire :twisted:
The Kingdom of Camulot

If you disagree with what I say please post a reply saying so. I just wanted to summerize the arguements for and against this resolution.

For, With prositution legalized Tax will increase. Crimes commited against prostutatutes will go down because they can go to court and not be afraid of being thrown in jail for being a prositute. With prositution legalized prositutes can go to doctors to get tested without being afraid, and get tested more often. Like many people have said, prositutes run a great risk everytime they do it, with this major source of STDs mostly shut down STD rates will also go down. It will continue no matter what we do so if we legalize it we can steer it our way. And it is one of the world's oldest profesions.

Against, It is morally reprehensable. Most of the prositutes are slaves brought in from asia. Legalizing it will not clean it up or make it any safer. Legalizing it will make STD infection rates go up through the roof. And again because it is one of the main points, It is morally reprehensable.

Now personally I voted yes for the resoultion so naturally my views are a little slanted.

I just wanted to throw a little more fuel on this fire :twisted:
The Kingdom of Camulot

Caumulot, you forgot a key argument against: It is not the right of the United Nations to interfere to this extent in the national policies of the nation states. We are not some global republic whose laws are dictated by an international headquarters, and we of the Holy Empire of Kokablel for one are here to ensure that the UN abides by this.

Can the UN dictate all domestic policy for its member nations? yes.

Should it? No.

We are given multiple scenarios throughout the course of our time as leaders of these nation states. To an inordinate degree recent legislation has forced compliance with rules that defy the right of individual nation states to answer the call of our people.

Who rules our people, you or we? We were called upon by them and rule them with a benevolent but strict hand, not the United Nations. Why is it the right of this august body to stand forth and declare all of our toils and trials null and void, subject to the whim of a small selection of delegates comprising the majority of votes?

We strongly urge even those in favor of its legalisation to consider this. it is beneficial to your people? Fine, go forth and do as you choose, for it is your right as sovereign nations blessed with the sword by the All Holy, Everpresent Light of Kokablel, may it shine forever over the lands of iniquity. It is your right to rule your people and submit them to the sword as is just. It is not, however, your right to decide the sword's wielding for those also gifted with it. Other nations may find other equitable fashions of handling these matters that do not involve its legalization. Who are you to claim that only you are right?

I save vote this legislation down, destroy it and burn it. It is an offense to the national sovereignty of nation states and an insult to their individual wielding of the sword. That, or tear out your passages declaring religious tolerance and burn it, for you're all in violation of it for declaring that our theocratic nation is unjust in fulfilling its rule. I say further that all such invasions on the rights of nation states ought be torn out and burned. Allow the nations to do as they must. Guide them. Argue with them. Do not lay the sword meant for your people to their necks and demand that they obey your will in religion. Or, if you will, have the decency to be honest in doing so. It is only common courtesy.

I voted against this proposal, because I think it is wrong to sell yourself, and virginity, for money. Sex is already a domonate thing in many minds of this world, and imaginge how many innocent girls would be on the street doing this, because it is a leagal way to make money. Also, wouldn't it be odd to ask someone "Hey what do you do for a living?" and them respond "I sell my body, and have sex with strangers"
This is my point of veiw,
~Iris
The proud owner of "The freedom filled region"
Join today, telegram me about requirements!

Prostitution is a demeaning and pshycologically dammaging act to those involved in it, the idea of getting 'protections' from pimps and other preditors is ludicruos, all governments have statuates that protect people from assault and kidnap already, and it doesn't make a dent in the trade one single bit.

All such a 'resolution' would do is reward bad behavior by making it leagal.

My nation will have no part in this foolishness.

Your body your choice just make sure the person you do it with is healthy

The Armed Republic of Struckman has put forth a proposal for a Global Ban on Prostitution on the UN's List proposals page 19.I strongly recommend that all nations that support a ban to endorse the proposal.

The Armed Republic of Struckman has put forth a proposal for a Global Ban on Prostitution on the UN's List proposals page 19.I strongly recommend that all nations that support a ban to endorse the proposal.

heard about AIDS? this case of infection would balloon from toy balloon to hot air balloon if prostitution would be legalized. of course, arrest those bootilicious and send them to rehab same thing with those "hotdogs w/ 2 balls".

Aids with legalized prostitution can be stopped the same way as Aids without legalized prostition. Abstinence. Legalized Prostitution would allow prostitutes with STD's to seek help without fear of prosecution.

The major role of the U.N. is to present Resolutions that promote harmony between the Nation members. There is in fact a mandate requiring the compliance of some nations to resemble others, regardless of Sovereignty. I'm sure everyone realized that when they signed up. LOL. Sovereignty cannot be exercised in the NationStates U.N. It is in fact Democracy in its purest form. The minority have no voice.

One of the most ignorant proposals I've had the misfortune to read.

The vast majority of sex industry workers are illegally imported or procured sex slaves, often imported from the Asia region, entirely against their will.

The concept of a high class call girl a.k.a Julia Roberts in 'Pretty Woman' or anything of the sort is exactly that- a hollywood concept. Real life is much grimmer. At last count- over 2 million women and girls are sold into the sex slave industry *each year*, largely to be imported into western countries.

It's a vile trade and it's a vile person who supports it.

:roll: These abuses exist because prostitution is illegal. If it was brought out in the open and regulated, coersed prostition and slavery would be VASTLY reduced.

Give me a break, guys. I know, I know, everyone wants some. However, with STD's, AIDS, HIV, and what-have-you flying around all over the place, I really don't think it's a good idea to make picking up hookers legal.

This is totaly corrrect i don't see why all of you are going for this "SEX biz" If you guys want to kill of you totall population with STD's and all of that by all means go ahead but i must say this: I will not allow the legalization of something that is suposed to be sacred between MARRIED cupples (Husband and Wife)!! in this society we understand that yes sex sells but why do we have to make it a regular!! this "SEX BIZ" shouldnt be a norm! this law i believe is totally rediculous

We feel that each nation's government should have the ability to choose on its own whether or not to legalize prostitution. A UN resolution requiring any one position is unnecessary.

We feel that each nation's government should have the ability to choose on its own whether or not to legalize prostitution. A UN resolution requiring any one position is unnecessary.

The Armed Nation of Struckman agrees with what you are saying,but if the UN approves this resolution than my nation has no choice but to fight it to the bloody end!

The Armed Republic of Struckman has put forth a proposal for a Global Ban on Prostitution on the UN's List proposals page 19.I strongly recommend that all nations that support a ban to endorse the proposal.

*shakes his head pointedly* You are equally in error Struckman. This is not an issue for the UN to decide. These are domestic issues within the bounds of the nation states themselves. Stay out of our affairs. The Holy Light will guide us. We need no more than your polite counsel in this matter, not your legal sword at our throats.

Xanthal is correct in this case and I direct him to perhaps consider joining the coalition against such defiance of national sovereignty.

If everybody using the words "moral" "vile" and "trade" in the same line could just calm down for a moment I would like to make a point.

Almost EVERY argument for or against this proposal seems to involve the base of the issue, prostitutuion itself. Errrr, hate to pop your... bubbles but has anyone actually read the proposal and noticed is lacking of any real definitions of purpose apart from the legalisation bitty?

What about age? Can a 3 year old decide to sell their body?

Now THAT is a disturbing thought. No need to go into the amounts of sickos who'd seize on that in court... or probably seize the nearest 3 year old out of court...

Wake up the lot of you, this proposal is not wrong for what it tries to do,

IT IS WRONG BECAUSE IT DOES NOT DEFINE WHAT IT DOES to any useful standard.

A (very concerned) Rep of Komokom.

You're sick, it's immoral and totally absurd. :x

You're sick, it's immoral and totally absurd. :x

Immoral? Depends on your moral code.

Absurd? Not likely.

The Rogue Nation of Citronnia supports civil rights, and it does not believe that the morality of it's leader has the right to decide what it's citizens do, and making choices based on that is tanamount to a theocracy.

Stating this, why did you feel it necessary to state that we as a group are sick?

I will be voting for this resolution, on the basis that it follows the ideals of Citronnian political policy.

The Armed Republic of Struckman has put forth a proposal for a Global Ban on Prostitution on the UN's List proposals page 19.I strongly recommend that all nations that support a ban to endorse the proposal.

*shakes his head pointedly* You are equally in error Struckman. This is not an issue for the UN to decide. These are domestic issues within the bounds of the nation states themselves. Stay out of our affairs. The Holy Light will guide us. We need no more than your polite counsel in this matter, not your legal sword at our throats.

Xanthal is correct in this case and I direct him to perhaps consider joining the coalition against such defiance of national sovereignty.

Struckman has scrapped that proposal in favor of one that protects individual Member rights.New version:Ban UN Prostitution Resolution (page 20 UN listing Proposals)

I guess that's the problem with simply calling something "immoral" and "sick", with the hope that your comment has actually acheived something.

While these nations are siting around with their fingers in their ears, those that support the bid could continue to address the issues surrounding prostitution. Perhaps we could outlaw the use of minors in any sexual activity, EVEN transactions between two consenting adults. Boy, that sounds alot better than outlawing the "procurement of a sexual act"; which doesn't account for children, anyway...
\oh wait, we could even create laws that govern the treatment of women and men who have chosen the sex trade, in order to ensure their safety. Concentrating on one's safety seems much more attainable than enforcing someone's moral code.

And again- While we're busy trying to address the needs of our citizens, (which INCLUDE those involved in the sex trade,) the rest of you can wallow in your ignorance; pretending that prostitution doesn't happen around good country people - oops, I mean to good countries.

Question.

Dose the UN have the authority to tell its sovereign nations how to handle its peoples? The job of the UN is of a PEACE KEEPING Nature and that alone.

By calling for a global ban on prostitution it is oversteping its bounds, I will post my position on Prostitution , if and when my application is returned with MTXOracle's acceptance to the UN.

Question.

Dose the UN have the authority to tell its sovereign nations how to handle its peoples? The job of the UN is of a PEACE KEEPING Nature and that alone.

By calling for a global ban on prostitution it is oversteping its bounds, I will post my position on Prostitution , if and when my application is returned with MTXOracle's acceptance to the UN.

Must... fight... tempatation...

No, I don't need to actually. The people of Gigglealia have conducted a poll and the almost unaminous majority have declared you an idiot. There was one vote to the contrary, studies indicate it was your mother calling in your support.

If you're not even going to take the effort to read the first post then get out of my thread. It's about the proposal to legalise prostitution. Not about either you getting into the UN or anyone banning prostitution.

Must... fight... tempatation...

No, I don't need to actually. The people of Gigglealia have conducted a poll and the almost unaminous majority have declared you an idiot. There was one vote to the contrary, studies indicate it was your mother calling in your support.

If you're not even going to take the effort to read the first post then get out of my thread. It's about the proposal to legalise prostitution. Not about either you getting into the UN or anyone banning prostitution.

OMG... Give me a break!
First of all, my mother wouldnt vote for anything... cause shes a dumbass.

Seccondly, Incase you havent noticed, there are several nations calling upon the UN for a global ban on prostitution, inspite of your thread being about the legalization of prostitution, so go bite somone elses head off.

Thirdy, As a new nation and a not yet member of the UN, The Soverieing Peoples Republic of MTXOracle feels that we should wait to be accepted to the Peace Keeping Body before posting our official position. This post was mearly to pose a question regarding weather or not it was the place of the UN to be voting on such a resolution.

I am disgusted that this proposal even got onto the FLOOR, let alone how the vote has carried so far! This has nothing to do with "Civil Rights," this is some hairbrained scheme from some half-wit capitalist who has nothing better to do with his time than come up with ways to make the most disgusting acts legal for the sake of turning a profit! If they want to do this for their own country, so be it, and what right have we to stop them? But I tell you now, that should the vote not change significantly within a few hours, Wolf Brotherhood will resign from the U.N. I have no intention of allowing this travisty to human nature to become legallized upon my shores. May God or whatever diety you worship have mercy on those who don't follow.

lighten up

Some of the arguments against this proposal have been utterly ludicrous and completely invalid and contradictory.
ie "prostitution fosters drug abuse..."

drug use is often the cause of prostitution as addicted persons use the proceeds of prostitution to fund their habit. (which they have no control over as the latest research indicates that psysiological changes take place after use leading to addiction being hardwired, ie a disease, not a choice)
not the other way round.

some other people seem to be saying that keeping it illegal will make it go away.

Doh! isn't it already illegal, isn't it already a problem? it hasn't gone away,it's a growing problem. Legalisation will allow countries to tackle the problem head on.

Legalising prostitution wont make it easier for the government to tackle the problem, that is the very reason that the issue was called into question. If it is passed it will merely allow the government to turn their backs on the problem and allow people to carry on with this shameful practise, you really don't understand the basic moral rights, no forget that, the feeling that these people have. Drug use, who cares? Drug usage is not on debate right now. Legalising a problem doesn't make it go away.
If it remains illegal then those of us who actually care can do something about it. What do you suggest doing if you legalise the problem? You wont be able to regulate it or control it in any way. It will now be a legal problem and therefore will remain unanswerable to the law.
For crying out loud, realise that although keeping the problem illegal wont make it go away it will allow us to deal with the problem as a problem, not as an oddity.
If you wish to debate the point just suggest to me how legalising the problem will allow you to deal with it?

The United Socialist States of Islas del Filipinas is strongly condemning this resolution. It should have not have been in the floor in the first place. This is totally immoral and uncalled for and a direct violation of the respect for woman. How could we possibly take the guilt of taking taxes from people who sell themselves.

The solution to eradicate prositution is education and elimination of poverty. I called on the the U.N. Secretary General and other nations to give sense to the U.N. I trusted previous decisions of the U.N. but if this resolution will be passed I am not sure if I will trust the U.N.

I agree. Prostitution should be purged throughout the world. It is immoral and decreases women's status and rights'. Men take advantage of poor women and in poor countries this fuels the spread of HIV, ban prostitution in every country I say!

I agree on the total ban of prostitution rather than legalization!

I believe in the legalization of prostitution. If a woman wants to sell her body in a clean and the most risk-free environment possible, then let her. It already happens illegaly. Why not make it so that they have better conditions and working rights?

But with the text of this proposal i do not agree. Especially in the end where it says: "Why must we make it a priority for law enforcement to monitor and arrest prostitutes when there are greater crimes out there?"

When there are greater crimes?? So you consider prostitution (which you want to legalize), already to be a crime. Im talking in the psychological view of the subject, not what is written in the law.

This resulation cannot be the grounds for prostitution legalization in my opinion.

As a new member to the UN (having completed my application 2 minutes ago), I am delighted to see that this issue is being debated. May I offer my full support for this bill to be accepted.

There are numerous reasons as to why prostitution should be legalised. Firstly, we now live in a society where sexual taboo is ever decreasing. People are more aware of there sexuality and sexual preferences and are less inclined to be ashamed of them. I think that people are now open-minded enough to accept that people like to have sex, and if there is a market for buying it, then it will be used regardless of its legislation. The important matter is how this industry is conducted.

The major priority must be the safety of the prostitutes themselves. By having legalised brothels, security can be in place to protect the girls against violent punters, the girls can also be kept away from class A drugs such as crack-cocaine and be issued with good quality contraceptives to protect both theirs and the customers health. The girls will also be freed from violent pimps and be given a fair wage for their services by the owners of the brothel. All of this can be government regulated.

Then of course there is the financial gain, nations lose millions in tax revenue by not taxing such establishments. The money earnt from this could go towards offering these girls support both in terms of their standard of living and their emotional well-being as well as offering further education for them so they do not have to rely on the prostitution industry all their lives. The potential benefits from this extra national revenue are endless.

Thirdly, the product itself will be improved. With bona fide businesses in competition with one another, the girls will be better looking, cleaner (in terms of health) and at a fairer price. This may sound a little ruthless to some, however, I suggest that people visit the top-notch brothels in Sydney. You don't have to use these particular services to enjoy yourself as the places are like big entertainment complexes and have a great atmostphere. The legalistion of prostitution is the way forward. I urge people to vote in favour of this sound proposed legislation

All the Best
Jimi

As a new member to the UN (having completed my application 2 minutes ago), I am delighted to see that this issue is being debated. May I offer my full support for this bill to be accepted.

There are numerous reasons as to why prostitution should be legalised. Firstly, we now live in a society where sexual taboo is ever decreasing. People are more aware of there sexuality and sexual preferences and are less inclined to be ashamed of them. I think that people are now open-minded enough to accept that people like to have sex, and if there is a market for buying it, then it will be used regardless of its legislation. The important matter is how this industry is conducted.

The major priority must be the safety of the prostitutes themselves. By having legalised brothels, security can be in place to protect the girls against violent punters, the girls can also be kept away from class A drugs such as crack-cocaine and be issued with good quality contraceptives to protect both theirs and the customers health. The girls will also be freed from violent pimps and be given a fair wage for their services by the owners of the brothel. All of this can be government regulated.

Then of course there is the financial gain, nations lose millions in tax revenue by not taxing such establishments. The money earnt from this could go towards offering these girls support both in terms of their standard of living and their emotional well-being as well as offering further education for them so they do not have to rely on the prostitution industry all their lives. The potential benefits from this extra national revenue are endless.

Thirdly, the product itself will be improved. With bona fide businesses in competition with one another, the girls will be better looking, cleaner (in terms of health) and at a fairer price. This may sound a little ruthless to some, however, I suggest that people visit the top-notch brothels in Sydney. You don't have to use these particular services to enjoy yourself as the places are like big entertainment complexes and have a great atmostphere. The legalistion of prostitution is the way forward. I urge people to vote in favour of this sound proposed legislation

All the Best
Jimi

In an ideal world, prostitution would be illegal, no poor women would have to sell their bodies for sex and possibly get STDS, get pregnant, or get beaten by their clientelle in lieu of payment.

THIs is, however, very much NOT an ideal world. Prostitution WILL occur, and if you think otherwise, you are A. Far too idealistic and B. Probably someone who's never been lonely on a friday night.

Prostitution at it's core is NOT an immoral service from a practical standpoint (There are obviously religious standpoints, but those have NO PLACE in a United Nations forum). You claim that it exploits women, takes advantage of them, but that position in and of itself is pure cheauvanism. Most prositutes CHOSE that life. If you ask the average street prostitute if she wants prostitution BANNED, she'll tell you no, because then she has NO WAY to support herself and/or her kid. So you're going to remove the evil, anti-christian prostitution and in return you get to kill off the woman whose parents pulled her out of school at a young age to go off pigdicking in ratscrew, Arkansas, and now knows of no other way to make money except selling herself. Thus, not only do you kill an economic industry, you kill the workers in it, as many of them have no other ways to support themselves.

But since this resolution is voting to LEGALIZE prostitution, lets look at the pros and cons of THAT.

First, the cons.
If you keep prostitution illegal, what have you done? You've kept your government nice and religiousy-clean. You can honestly say "We're moral, religiously. We keep men loyal to their wives, and we keep poor, lonely virgins as poor, lonely virgins. We're working for a better society in the Moral Religious sense."

I put so much emphasis on the "religious" part because anyone who says keeping prostitution illegal is moral obviously never considered the human factor, which I stated above.

Now, the Pros of legalizing it:

WE can start with a little history lesson. In Feudal Terra-Centauri, prostitution was not only legal but commonly accepted. Houses of the Willow World were not only common but expected in every town a man visited. When his wife was being less then accomidating, he could visit such houses and enjoy himself as a guest of a mama-san and her group of whores.

Those whores were WELL-PAID, they were WELL-FED and WELL-CLOTHED. They lived in something very much resembling luxury. And as for the mama-san...she was rich. All of it was done incredibly smoothly. FEw people got STDS or had children. The society didn't collapse and spiral into flaming, burning, 5 MegaTon wreckage. Instead, it prospered.

Why? Because it was LEGAL, and they could conduct their business using the BEST equipment, and the BEST services. And they didn't have to be scared of some Federal agent (Samurai) barging into their house and arresting all of them (lopping their heads off).

Now look at modern days. Prostitution is shady business, and a lot of men and women get killed as a result. If you make it legal, suddenly instead of arresting the prostitute who got the life beaten out of her for BEING a prostitute, you arrest the client who beat the life out of the woman for ASSAULT AND BATTERY, a REAL offense.

If you make it legal, you can make it so that prostitutes and pimps can charge what they want for services and go home a little bit richer every night.

If you make it legal, you can make it more exlcusive, so the prostitutes can REQUIRE their clientelle to wear protection.

YOu can give them the same medical benefits as the rest of their country has.

If you make prostitution legal, you give it government PROTECTION, and you make it safe.

If you keep it illegal, you say "if you are a prostitute, you are not human. Enjoy getting beaten."

Are you so sure it's immoral to make it legal?

By the way, as Jimi said, there are some damned fine brothels in Terra-Centauri. Feel free to visit.

I wonder what it's going to take before one of you addresses what gives the UN the right to dictate the legality of prostitution within its member states? Is this not a gross invasion of national sovereignty?

I agree. Prostitution should be purged throughout the world. It is immoral and decreases women's status and rights'. Men take advantage of poor women and in poor countries this fuels the spread of HIV, ban prostitution in every country I say!

Not in MY country. You keep YOUR "morals" off MY lawbooks!

I believe in the legalization of prostitution. If a woman wants to sell her body in a clean and the most risk-free environment possible, then let her. It already happens illegaly. Why not make it so that they have better conditions and working rights?

But with the text of this proposal i do not agree. Especially in the end where it says: "Why must we make it a priority for law enforcement to monitor and arrest prostitutes when there are greater crimes out there?"

When there are greater crimes?? So you consider prostitution (which you want to legalize), already to be a crime. Im talking in the psychological view of the subject, not what is written in the law.

This resulation cannot be the grounds for prostitution legalization in my opinion.

It is a crime because the law says it is...not because the original posting party actually believes that it is a crime, or that it should e a crime. But the law (United States, anyway) makes prostitution a crime. Excpt in Nevada. If I say prostitution is a crime, I am stating a fact...because it is on the lawbooks of the United States as a crime. I am not stating that I agree that it should be a crime. Stop twisting other's words to make them mean what YOU want them to mean.

I wonder what it's going to take before one of you addresses what gives the UN the right to dictate the legality of prostitution within its member states? Is this not a gross invasion of national sovereignty?
http://www.nationstates.net/pages/faq.html#UN

You gave up part of your national sovereignty when you clicked the Accept link on your UN invitiation. Them's the breaks. Get over it or resign the UN.

I wonder what it's going to take before one of you addresses what gives the UN the right to dictate the legality of prostitution within its member states? Is this not a gross invasion of national sovereignty?

This is an important point, and perhaps the reason why even those in favor of legalized traffic in women for sex should oppose this measure.

If your nation favors prostitution, this will happen:

1) the resolution passes, you have not changed; prostitution is not somehow more legal than before within your borders. You have not benefitted.
2) the resolution fails. you have not changed; prostitution is still legal within your borders and you have not been harmed.

If your nation opposes prostitution, this will happen:

1) the resulution passes, you just have been forced to allow people to traffic in women (and children) for money. You have been harmed, your national sovereignty violated.
2) the resolution fails, you have not changed; prostitution is still illegal within your borders and you have not been harmed.

The only solution to this issue that harms no nation is to vote this resolution down. The passing of this resolution immediately harms those nations which oppose prostitution and sets a precedent for compromising the sovereignty of all nations within their own borders.

We of the Grand Atoll implore this august body: please vote against this proposal.

<yet another double post - hopefully this will be fixed in NS2?>