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I'm going to send a squad to WB5.

Anyone know where one of the storefronts that design gridiron unis is?

It's somewhere in this thread. Just don't remember excatly where it is at though.

I'm thinking we'll start signups for World Bowl V in a couple weeks. Then World Cup qualifying will be done, the lacrosse will be just about done, as will the basketball.

Nethertopia was designing football uniforms. His storefront is probably a few pages back in this forum (not this thread) now.

I would definitely be interested in some American football.. Have to keep an eye out for the sign up thread.

World Bowl V signups have begun, and if you don't believe me, look here:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=579741

Final statline of World Bowl 4:

Arroza's record against Dancougar and Kura-Pelland: 1-10 (.091)
Arroza's record against everyone else in the world: 51-3 (.944)

Re-quoting for relevance with World Bowl V coming down the pike!

I still can't believe that stat.

Can't wait for this one... will be great to RP a new team style seeing as Bernard has retired.

I'm hoping to give this one my all. I like playing the Brutes, they seem to be a big-name underdog since they won WB2.

The Group Draw is being put back a day to Thursday. This is because with 12 first-time nations, I am going to hold a brief "Baptism of Fire" type tournament to give these countries a chance to separate themselves from one another. Unfortunately, this is on very short notice I realize.

Argh!

Missed the signup deadline by about 11 hours...ah well...

I could throw Rymeria into the fire, so to speak, to bring it up to 32 teams if Newmanistan agrees.

Argh!

Missed the signup deadline by about 11 hours...ah well...

Well.... there are few people I'd make an exception for. You're one of them. WIth Sarzonia's offer of Rymeria, you and Rymeria are in.

Ah, great. Thanks, guys, I owe you both one. :)

Nice number.

So, since it's growing in popularity...what are the thoughts on eventually introducing a qualification process? It's still probably a few cycles away, at least, but it's worth discussing now so we're not trying to string something together at the last minute.

It's... always had a qualification process...

It's... always had a qualification process...

The only difference is the amount of teams that actually go to the actual World Bowl in country X.

It's... always had a qualification process...

You know what I mean.

You know what I mean.

No, I honestly don't... based on Arroza's post, do you mean qualification as in "set the number of group stage advancements to a permanent fixed number, e.g. 32 for a World Cup" as opposed to what we actually do, which is "let the hosts change the number each time based on the number of signups"? Because then I understand.

Basically, yeah.

As interest grows, I see one of three scenarios happening:

1) We continue the way we've been doing it, in which the host sets the limit for group stage competitors, with spots being allocated on a first-come first-serve basis.

2) We set a hard and fast limit for group stage competitors, and spots are allocated on a first-come first-serve basis

3) We implement a system of preliminary competitions similar to what they do with World Cup, in order to qualify for the bottom X number of group stage spots, with the defending champion (and possibly past champions), host, and the highest-rated teams getting the remainder of spots as automatic bids to the group stage.

Neither #1 nor #2 scale well, and for basically the same reasons. Either it's a relatively low limit, in which case the first-come first-serve nature will eventually mean that people who just aren't available at the right time of day or right day of the week will miss out, which doesn't seem very fair; or it's a relatively large limit, in which case it's just really unwieldy. So, as I see it #3 is the best option for the long term. We won't have to worry about how long signups for the main World Bowl have to remain open because the participants will already be pre-determined, so it's just a matter of finding everyone so they can confirm their participation; and the number of brand-new participants for any given cycle is likely to be low enough that the preliminary tournaments can be operated the same way we operate the current World Bowl without suffering from the scalability problems I described.

Like I said, it's not a problem now because popularity is still low enough that even to reach 32 signups were open for several days. But it's something to consider for the future, and I think it'd be best to have a plan in place now so we're not trying to string something together at the last minute when circumstances force us to have one right then and there.

Basically, yeah.

As interest grows, I see one of three scenarios happening:

1) We continue the way we've been doing it, in which the host sets the limit for group stage competitors, with spots being allocated on a first-come first-serve basis.

2) We set a hard and fast limit for group stage competitors, and spots are allocated on a first-come first-serve basis

3) We implement a system of preliminary competitions similar to what they do with World Cup, in order to qualify for the bottom X number of group stage spots, with the defending champion (and possibly past champions), host, and the highest-rated teams getting the remainder of spots as automatic bids to the group stage.

Ah, okay, I think we have different definitions of "group stage." The American football group stage has served the equivalent role of World Cup qualification. The hosts take as many as they can to get a nice number, then it's home-and-away and the top N advance to the World Bowl proper. The difference is that the final tournament has been strictly knockouts; there's been no group phase. And I was saying that my understanding was that rather than calculate N as a function of the number of group stage (qualifying round) competitors, we should fix it. And I agree. But probably only when we repeatedly get 32+ for these.

Right now, I do not see a need for a specific qualification process until the number of teams that sign up is well over 40. I think it'd be pretty silly, say, if there were 36 signups to have a qualification for 32 spots and then have another group stage. I believe that unless we held a World Bowl signup thread alive for as long as a World Cup signup thread remains alive that we could hit numbers in the 40's and the 50's, but am happy with the way it is right now.

For this World Bowl, I did consider after the group stages of the 32 teams, having another group stage involving the 16 teams that advance to find eight teams, but after thinking about it, didn't think that was necessary.

A groups stage after qualifying would work if we had something in the neighbourhood of 80 teams. Not 32-40. We can knock it down to 16 teams and do knockouts.

A qualifying stage, then a groups stage, then knockouts would drag this on too long in my opinion. It works for the World Cup since it has a long track record IRL, but for one of these more recent tournaments, I don't think it works that well.

But if it gets that popular that consistently, we can look at adding a groups stage between qualifying and knockouts.

Well If it stays consistently around 30-36 teams...
this might sound DUMB, but hear me out. (using 32 teams as an example)

Why not have it set up like the NFL. the final 16 teams from the previous are seeded 1-16 and randomly placed in one of 8 divisions. the other 16 teams then are randomly placed into the 8 divisions, creating 8 divisions of 4 teams each. 4 divisons are placed in one group, the other 4 in a 2nd group. Each team will play a 15-game 'group stage', playing every team in their 'group' once. The top team from each division in each group, plus the next best 4 (or 6 or 8) regardless of group, advance to the single elimination playoffs. The teams will be seed by record (much as they are now); with the highest 'seed' playing the lowest 'seed' in every round, (2nd best vs. 2nd worst, etc.).

The teams will be seed by record (much as they are now); with the highest 'seed' playing the lowest 'seed' in every round, (2nd best vs. 2nd worst, etc.).

Just as long as you don't do it the daft NFL way and put the division champions ahead of the wild cards regardless of record.

*mutters something about 11-win teams having to play 9-win teams away in the first round...not that he's bitter or anything*

Hmm.. Unfortunately I may not have time to get a roster and stuff sorted out.. Or even RP much :(. The football WC took up so much of my time and now I have a job with ridiculous hours. I'll do my best though.. Just a wee warning!

Just as long as you don't do it the daft NFL way and put the division champions ahead of the wild cards regardless of record.

*mutters something about 11-win teams having to play 9-win teams away in the first round...not that he's bitter or anything*

It ain't always fair, but that's just the way the ball bounces.

I doubt you'd do much muttering if the Falcons won the NFC South with a 9-7 record and they hosted let's say an 11-5 Arizona team that was a wild card. :tongue:

Oh, and I noticed you picked up the Sarzonian name for American football. ;)

Just as long as you don't do it the daft NFL way and put the division champions ahead of the wild cards regardless of record.

*mutters something about 11-win teams having to play 9-win teams away in the first round...not that he's bitter or anything*

Well, IF I host another WB and we have that many teams entered, Teams will be seeded by record, regardless of group finish.

*Mutters something about an 11-5 team that didn't even make the playoffs while an 8-8 team that shouldn't have come close to even sniffing the playoffs got in, and stupid conference tiebreakers*

Just as long as you don't do it the daft NFL way and put the division champions ahead of the wild cards regardless of record.

*mutters something about 11-win teams having to play 9-win teams away in the first round...not that he's bitter or anything*

*mumbles something about said 9-win team continuing to have home field advantage in the championship game when their opponent had a better record*

*mumbles something about said 9-win team continuing to have home field advantage in the championship game when their opponent had a better record*

*At least that 9-7 team won its division and didn't tie a crappy team on the road, 'cause the QB of the tying road team didn't know that games could end in a tie.*

Right now, I do not see a need for a specific qualification process until the number of teams that sign up is well over 40.

Nor do I.

No one's saying we need it right now. I'm just saying we should have a plan in place so that it's already there when we do need it, rather than trying to throw something together at the last minute because we had just realized that interest is such that continuing to do what we've been doing would be hugely convoluted and unwieldy.

It's okay, guys. Ben will avenge you :-D

Ben Doublecheeseburger?

I also like what they have Hines Ward calling him on KSK: "Ben Rongrastname"

Ben Doublecheeseburger?

The Roethlisburger is actually a pound of beef, eggs, and death. (No french fries on it, though, since that's stomping on Primanti territory.)

Instant classics: http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/2009/01/smirre-even-though-your-knee-is-aching.html, http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/2008/02/wild-tigers-hines-has-known.html, http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/2008/11/you-know-if-you-vote-they-give-you-a-sticker.html, and http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/2008/12/owie-to-headspot-is-worsest-than-you-can-possibly-imagine.html

I'm more a fan of Jerry Jones / Wade Phillips / Pac-Man.

(door flies open)
Pacman: Yo yo. Pacman be putn hiz deekaleek in dem azzcakez when mista trayna man say he ain’t gon shine. Pacman ain’t down wid it. Pacman wanna shine. Pacman wanna go n tak hiz peese uh duh pie. Pacman gon shine. Oh, he gon shine. He gon make dat [vagina] drool. He gon turn dat [vagina]fountn da fuk on. Pacman down wid it.

And Pacman gon drank. Oh, he gon drank. BULLEE 2 DA DAT. Pacman say ain’t no drank drank till dem chikns git xtra crspy. Pacman like dat. Pacman got his drumstik. He gon make a [female dog]bizkit. Shoot dat gravy on da bitch. She gon lik it. Pacman down wid it.

I doubt you'd do much muttering if the Falcons won the NFC South with a 9-7 record and they hosted let's say an 11-5 Arizona team that was a wild card. :tongue:

Well, no, probably not. Because then I'd have actually been able to go to the game. :p

Oh, and I noticed you picked up the Sarzonian name for American football. ;)

Heh, yep. Short and elegant without requiring one to overload a word with either the field you play it on or another sport entirely. :)

I'm more a fan of Jerry Jones / Wade Phillips / Pac-Man.

Those get repetitive after awhile, plus they're always just so damn long.

/me loves the Phil Rivers as Marmalard.

YA GOTTA ASK SOMEBOD-AYYYY!!!!!!!!!

Group E and Group D of the CoH look...similar for some reason.

Group E and Group D of the CoH look...similar for some reason.

I was gonna say Groups D and E of the World Bowl look familar....

Links to rosters provided on the first post of the everything thread. This post will also be updated with links to the days scores every matchday. (I promise I will remember to do that!) Congrats to Groups B & D on every team having a roster thus far. We're about 24 hours away now from kickoff.

Sarzonia: Are you planning on having everyone fly into space to play your puppet again?

Never mind the hotel managers salivating behind me.

If you'd still like to host them, they can play in Atalanta again unless someone specifies wanting to play in Rymeria.

Of course, if any of them play Kellie Pickler as hold music, you will hear about it. :p

2nd best Super Bowl Ever (behind only SB XXV)
Congrats Steelers.

Definitely a great Super Bowl, though I wish the Cardinals had won it.

Congratulations Pittsburgh.

Hooo boy, now what are we going to have to do to keep Santonio from being the next Plax? Warner had us beat, too, we were in prevention mode and failing miserably.

Now to crack the blinds and watch the Pitt kids riot outside.

Another championship for the great state of Pennsylvania!

Congrats to the Steelers!

Hooo boy, now what are we going to have to do to keep Santonio from being the next Plax? Warner had us beat, too, we were in prevention mode and failing miserably.

Now to crack the blinds and watch the Pitt kids riot outside.

Until the final drives by both teams, Harrison was the MVP, until that stupid punch he threw.

Until the final drives by both teams, Harrison was the MVP, until that stupid punch he threw.

Yeah, not sure what that was about.

Probably the other guy said something about Zinnedine Zidane and Harrison's mama.

just realised something!

Prux is the FIRST nation to win a Baptism of X in Football, TWICE! (one BoF, one BoI!) So I'm a trivia question!

Yeah, not sure what that was about.

Probably the other guy said something about Zinnedine Zidane and Harrison's mama.

If the Steelers don't get that TD (or a FG to tie), Fitz as MVP, or Warner?

Early prediction for SB XLIV:

Carolina vs. Baltimore

BTW, my offical ESPN.com pick was 25-20, almost had it right on the nose.

If the Steelers don't get that TD or a tying field goal, I'd say Warner gets MVP.

The Steelers shut Fitzgerald down for pretty much the entire first half and large chunks of the third quarter. They couldn't shut down Warner.

Being an oldschool Card-Pitt fan, I am both devastated and overjoyed :D:mad:

If the Steelers don't get that TD or a tying field goal, I'd say Warner gets MVP.

The Steelers shut Fitzgerald down for pretty much the entire first half and large chunks of the third quarter. They couldn't shut down Warner.

True, but in the 4th quarter, Fitz was unstoppable. On the final Ariz. TD; he just hit 6th-gear and blew away the Pitt safeties. If Harrison doesn't get that INT (or if he was ruled down at the 1), Pittsburgh loses this game. that INT was the big play, and as I said earlier, if it weren't for that punch in the 4th quarter, James Harrison would have been the MVP.

So the new tally for Super Bowl wins is Refs 2, Seattle and Arizona 0.

So the new tally for Super Bowl wins is Refs 2, Seattle and Arizona 0.

No it's tied 1-1. the 1st 'fumble' was a forward pass cleanly, the 2nd was a fumble, as Warner's double-pumped it. If he'd done only one pump, then it would have been a forward pass.

It was a fumble. He was toching it it was going forward. At least in my book its a forward time of motion.
The Refs totally were payed in some sort of way, and i refuse to reckognise that the
Steelers won this Super Bowl, and as for another great championship for our great state i do not include it with, well the Fleyers Cup and the Phillies series

Scorination will be delayed a couple hours. Let's shoot for 11. (or 2 hours later then your used too). Having a crazy morning (curses flat tire on car).

Even more entertaining was the response from Tahlequah when a reporter asked him about the week seven matchup at the Shin Jared Koeppel.

“Dancougar?! Don't talk about Dancougar! Are you kidding me? Dancougar?! I'm just hoping we can win a game, our next game at home."

HAHAHA, the Ghost of Jim Mora I strikes again!

Today's Cutoff is brought to you by the Keystone Department of Transportation. "Potholes?! What potholes?!"

Dude, of course they're not potholes. They're big gaping sections of not road.

It's sad how when you're driving on the interstate, you can tell when you've actually crossed the state line by how smooth the ride becomes.

Wow, have to say I'm really disappointed with how this has gone. I think a far more complicated balance system is in order for the next World Bowl to more accurately reflect the game of football and the varying styles of play associated with it. Also, I think we need to switch to a d100 two dice system where the difference in numbers rolled dictates the pace of the drive. On both fronts I'm more than willing to work with WB management to help design and implement a new system.

Wow, have to say I'm really disappointed with how this has gone. I think a far more complicated balance system is in order for the next World Bowl to more accurately reflect the game of football and the varying styles of play associated with it. Also, I think we need to switch to a d100 two dice system where the difference in numbers rolled dictates the pace of the drive. On both fronts I'm more than willing to work with WB management to help design and implement a new system.

Sorry that you have been disappointed. While I feel as though the current method is extremely effective, suggestions are always welcome to improve the game. I don't see anything involving dice being preferential to what is presently in place. Style modifiers are designed to control the kind of team you have.

I am very pleased with the results thus far. For the most part, the top-ranked teams are at the top, but there have been some upsets here and there. You are in a tough group, other first-timers (Peisandros, Bushdome) as well as "almost" first-timer Fujisawan Territories have done well.

I do believe the scorinator reflects the game, the recent Dancougar-Cassadaigua game was a good example if you could see how that score came about. It was actually just how it was RP'd to be honest. Cassadaigua 3-2 on TD sim, Dancougar 3-0 on FG. Since Cassadaigua's 2-point conversions was set to logical, they ended successfully converting on both. The "extra" sim went to Dancougar, hence how they won in OT. That's a hint of realism right there. That's just one example, and a good one because it also shows how upsets are very possible.

That's interesting, so if you're losing by X and you've scored at least X touchdowns, you roll the two point conversions until they miss or tie? Maybe I misread the original scorination procedure, but I thought it was only attempted if you were losing by one after all extra points were done. I'm not saying I disagree with the approach, I'm just curious how it resolves.

(Assuming Logical 2 PT) If you are losing by one after extra points were done, and you had one TD, you get one conversion attempt. Losing by two, and you had two TD's, you get two attempts. If the first of two is unsuccessful, then there is no second attempt. If it is successful, then there is the second attempt. (It would be logical that a team that was down by 16 would go for two late conversions). This only done if a game can be forced into OT. For example, if a team was losing by two and they three had TD's, they COULD NOT WIN the game with three conversions, only two would be attempted.

You are in a tough group, other first-timers (Peisandros, Bushdome) as well as "almost" first-timer Fujisawan Territories have done well.

One thing I'd like to mention to Scandavian States, the World Bowl seems to be more reliant on RPing than some of the other tournaments I've seen on here. If I hadn't RP'd last World Bowl, I'd probably have gone something like 2-8 or 3-7, but I ended up advancing to the playoffs since I RP'd a lot then. Having said that, RP'ing is never a guarantee of winning. It gives you a better chance to win, but a lot of factors are involved in which team wins or loses a game.

Not to mention you're essentially in the World Bowl's equivalent of the Group of Death. Newmanistan lost in the World Bowl final, Sarzonia took the previous champs to double overtime and Lurikastan has RP'd once or twice with a roster. If I wanted to, I could have questioned how close my home game against Lurikastan was, but I decided to RP it as my quarterback playing like shit. I could have also used the angle that the team was playing in a stadium they were unfamiliar with, even though it was their "home" stadium.

#5 Bluth Corporation @ #11 Sarzonia:
Bluth Corporation, the surprise team of the tournament going to Woodstock to take on the resilient Sarzonia Stars. The Stars are probably 2 years away, but a win against Bluth could be what they need to become consistent and take themselves to the next level. Stars 21 - Capitalists 14

FYI, I'm RPing that Hendrix Stadium in Woodstock is undergoing City Council-mandated repairs and that neither the Chip Moose Lacrosse Stadium nor Bryan Marshall Memorial Stadium are available. Therefore, the game's been moved to the Iron Bowl in Portland.

Think a smaller version of The Vet with natural grass instead of artificial turf.

Dude, of course they're not potholes. They're big gaping sections of not road.

It's sad how when you're driving on the interstate, you can tell when you've actually crossed the state line by how smooth the ride becomes.

What's worse, is that after five years of driving a truck I can tell you Pennsylvania is one of the "good" states. At least on the freeways and major roads.

Actually we have the most roads of any state in the country(look it up), and since we have so many roads we have some of the worst fixing going on over the years so at a lot of places its not that good.

Actually we have the most roads of any state in the country(look it up), and since we have so many roads we have some of the worst fixing going on over the years so at a lot of places its not that good.

Actually you're 4th on the list behind Illinois, California and Texas. Yes, there are bad spots (I-78 comes to mind.) but there's not the system wide bad roads like in New York (not counting the Thruway), Alabama, Louisiana, Wyoming, or Ohio

Just be glad you didn't have to deal with Rhode Island Drivers who couldn't find their ass with a compass, a map and a neon sign pointing to their asses. (Orginally from Massachusetts, home of the 2nd worst drivers in the universe, I think Neptunians are worse.. maybe.)

New York drivers are worse. D.C. drivers are horrendous.

Just be glad you didn't have to deal with Rhode Island Drivers who couldn't find their ass with a compass, a map and a neon sign pointing to their asses. (Orginally from Massachusetts, home of the 2nd worst drivers in the universe, I think Neptunians are worse.. maybe.)

Mass and R.I. > Jersey.

Ever see a NY or DC driver spend 45 minutes in a traffic circle/ rotary trying to cut across all three lanes of traffic? I've seen a RI driver do that, come to the McD's where I worked, then spend another 30 minutes trying to get back into the rotary, and then trying get off at the right street, which was just one street over?

Ever see a NY or DC driver spend 45 minutes in a traffic circle/ rotary trying to cut across all three lanes of traffic? I've seen a RI driver do that, come to the McD's where I worked, then spend another 30 minutes trying to get back into the rotary, and then trying get off at the right street, which was just one street over?

If I'm driving anywhere other than Massachusetts and I see a rotary, I just automatically assume I've done something horribly wrong, and leave the circle in the same direction I entered it. :)

Oh god, rotaries. Great idea until rush hour happens and every friggen person thinks they can fit. Why block one intersection when you can block several?

Massachusetts deliberately created rotaries for one reason:

To ensure that only the strong survive!

Sorry that you have been disappointed. While I feel as though the current method is extremely effective, suggestions are always welcome to improve the game. I don't see anything involving dice being preferential to what is presently in place. Style modifiers are designed to control the kind of team you have.

I am very pleased with the results thus far. For the most part, the top-ranked teams are at the top, but there have been some upsets here and there. You are in a tough group, other first-timers (Peisandros, Bushdome) as well as "almost" first-timer Fujisawan Territories have done well.

I do believe the scorinator reflects the game, the recent Dancougar-Cassadaigua game was a good example if you could see how that score came about. It was actually just how it was RP'd to be honest. Cassadaigua 3-2 on TD sim, Dancougar 3-0 on FG. Since Cassadaigua's 2-point conversions was set to logical, they ended successfully converting on both. The "extra" sim went to Dancougar, hence how they won in OT. That's a hint of realism right there. That's just one example, and a good one because it also shows how upsets are very possible.


Respectfully, I don't agree. I think that when you join several national teams (often with the best players possible) with necessarily different styles based on the varying traditions, scoring is going to extraordinarily high until probably single elimination matches when adjustments can be made.

Forex, I just can't see my team scoring less than four or five TDs a game given the extremely (and necessarily) inventive pass game that's evolved in the IFL, at least in qualifying. However, because of that, my national team wouldn't execute base running packages well and you'll noticed I made mention of my one excellent running play in the BoI coming off a Wildcat-style option sweep to the right (call would've been Namea Left 226 Jaeger), which succeeded largely because it's such an unusual play from a seemingly base three wide formation. On the flip side, my defense is necessarily a complicated pass defense base, but because it's Shinobi (Roving Zone lingo for d-backs) heavy a team that uses a run-heavy offense that has a decent homerun threat should probably have no difficulty keeping up.

Dice would only be used to determine un/successful execution of a play and the base result, but various (player determined) modifiers would come into play. I like the over-under sliding scale you use, but as I said it really needs to be expanded to three different scales to reflect all three phases on the game. I also think the two players themselves need to come together (on a dedicated IRC channel, with a Bowl official to referee) on a agreed-upon day to determine the results.

Anyway, I have a bunch of ideas that I think you'll like and I hope you'll help me put them together into a coherent whole.

Atlanta drivers are also pretty bad, though I'll agree with Sarz and say the ones in DC at least give them a run for their money. Fortunately they're a little more avoidable, since the Metro actually goes somewhere other than the bloody airport. :p

And on the subject of rotaries...the only place I've ever had to deal with those is Maryland. Usually in clearly unnecessary arrangements.

If by rotaries you mean roundabouts, then I agree!

Atlanta drivers are also pretty bad, though I'll agree with Sarz and say the ones in DC at least give them a run for their money. Fortunately they're a little more avoidable, since the Metro actually goes somewhere other than the bloody airport. :p

And on the subject of rotaries...the only place I've ever had to deal with those is Maryland. Usually in clearly unnecessary arrangements.

But if you expanded MARTA into the suburbs, the people in Marietta and Lawrenceville would have to deal with black people which is obviously a fate worse than death, considering how far they went to move away from us.

Respectfully, I don't agree. I think that when you join several national teams (often with the best players possible) with necessarily different styles based on the varying traditions, scoring is going to extraordinarily high until probably single elimination matches when adjustments can be made.

Some of those "best players possible" play defense, so how is it a given you'll walk all over them? The Pro Bowl doesn't work as an example here, because it's well known those defenses don't play all out because they have no incentive.

Dice would only be used to determine un/successful execution of a play and the base result, but various (player determined) modifiers would come into play. I like the over-under sliding scale you use, but as I said it really needs to be expanded to three different scales to reflect all three phases on the game. I also think the two players themselves need to come together (on a dedicated IRC channel, with a Bowl official to referee) on a agreed-upon day to determine the results.

This is adding too much complication to the process. Scorination is meant to be player-neutral; they provide their styles and have their strengths, and a number just comes out. Special cases, like scorinating based on phases of the game, are going to be largely irrelevant because people are just going to RP what they want. And these things need to be scored day after day or else a tournament takes for-friggin-ever. I doubt you'll ever get all of us in a chat room at the same time every single day, or even every weekend.

Now, a low-granularity scorinator has been done. I wrote one for the International Basketball Championships that generates events for every possession of the game and uses probabilities to determine every basket, foul, and rebound. I haven't built style modifiers in, but if you're perused that thread, you can see that the amount of randomness involved can result in some strange outcomes. Ask Newmanistan and he'll tell you all about it. I've given some thought of what it would take to write similar simulators for other sports, but I honestly have to work out a lot of the kinks in this one before I move on to something else.

The current method of using NSFS finds a sort of middle ground. My understanding of how it generates results is that each team gets X scoring chances a game, and each one results in either a 0 or 1 output, that is, a goal or not. Our initial observation was that this almost corresponded to drives in a football game: they either result in a score or they don't. We do it twice so that we wind up with the number of drives ending in touchdowns and the number ending in field goals, and resolve extra points separately based on preference. It's a good compromise which has worked well so far and has the added advantage of piggybacking on a scorinator that we're already confident in.

Atlanta drivers are also pretty bad, though I'll agree with Sarz and say the ones in DC at least give them a run for their money. Fortunately they're a little more avoidable, since the Metro actually goes somewhere other than the bloody airport. :p

And on the subject of rotaries...the only place I've ever had to deal with those is Maryland. Usually in clearly unnecessary arrangements.

Worst Intersection in the world: Seven Corners

*runs away from this thread*

Worst Intersection in the world: Seven Corners

*runs away from this thread*

Damn, I can't even properly understand physics in N-dimensional space, now we're expected to drive in it?!

Some of those "best players possible" play defense, so how is it a given you'll walk all over them? The Pro Bowl doesn't work as an example here, because it's well known those defenses don't play all out because they have no incentive.

I think you misunderstand my point. I'm saying that barring the teams that have deliberately RPed themselves as underequipped or underexperienced, every game should be a massively scoring shootout (think the 1986 game where Marino and O'Brien passed for 927 yards and the final score was 51-45) until the single elimination rounds where everybody has a bunch of game tape to study and make adjustments based upon.

This is adding too much complication to the process. Scorination is meant to be player-neutral; they provide their styles and have their strengths, and a number just comes out. Special cases, like scorinating based on phases of the game, are going to be largely irrelevant because people are just going to RP what they want.

I'm sure you know this, but football is essentially chess on turf. It's complicated. Using a scoring program for a game that is relatively simple and extremely low-scoring is... Well, I can't find the word, to be honest, but "not right" is about as close as it comes.

And these things need to be scored day after day or else a tournament takes for-friggin-ever. I doubt you'll ever get all of us in a chat room at the same time every single day, or even every weekend.

Mayhap, but in reality the players would only be needed for RP purposes. You could always just have officials do the scoring and hand the game logs over for RP purposes. It would halve the speed of score posting, which isn't bad considering how fast we've whipped through this tournament. My purpose in proposing this is to involve the players more and encourage RP.

Now, a low-granularity scorinator has been done. I wrote one for the International Basketball Championships that generates events for every possession of the game and uses probabilities to determine every basket, foul, and rebound. I haven't built style modifiers in, but if you're perused that thread, you can see that the amount of randomness involved can result in some strange outcomes. Ask Newmanistan and he'll tell you all about it. I've given some thought of what it would take to write similar simulators for other sports, but I honestly have to work out a lot of the kinks in this one before I move on to something else.

That would work nicely, but as you said it's not even a finished product for the intended sport. Style modifiers are essentially game plan outlines, which would allow you to modify case by case probabilities so that outcomes are uniform with each team's stated gameplan.

The current method of using NSFS finds a sort of middle ground. My understanding of how it generates results is that each team gets X scoring chances a game, and each one results in either a 0 or 1 output, that is, a goal or not. Our initial observation was that this almost corresponded to drives in a football game: they either result in a score or they don't. We do it twice so that we wind up with the number of drives ending in touchdowns and the number ending in field goals, and resolve extra points separately based on preference. It's a good compromise which has worked well so far and has the added advantage of piggybacking on a scorinator that we're already confident in.

I think, theoretically at least, the scorinator can be adapted to my proposal, but it still wouldn't be a simple yes/no result.

There have been the occasional 41-38 games in the World Bowl. Through World Bowl 3, the style modifier used was +/- 5, and that produced some high scoring games, especially when two +5's met. The result of cutting it down to +/-3 has lowered the average point per game. World Bowl 3 in particular produced some crazy blowouts. Qazox holds the record, I believe. I don't buy that most of our games should be 52-45 or something like that. This isn't Arena Football, there is something to be said about strong defense. Also, the deal on game tapes.... for example Newmanistan would have tapes on Dancougar from previous World Bowls, and its certainly reasonable to assume that Newmanistanian scouts would be able to collect information about first-year Dancougar players by checking out their domestic league games with their club team.

Not only has the modifier lowering of 5 to 3 cut down on the amount of successful drives somewhat, but of the 32 teams in the World Bowl, there are only three teams using a +3. There are a handful of +2's, but the majority are between -1 and +1.5. Many of the top ranked teams do not use high offensive modifiers, so these teams aren't routing the weak as much as they could be. I just don't think the amount of points per game is a problem.

If you come up with a scorinator or system do feel free to present it. I am open to all possibilities. I just think that the vast majority of participants, especially the regulars are satisfied with the method of scorination.

There have been the occasional 41-38 games in the World Bowl. Through World Bowl 3, the style modifier used was +/- 5, and that produced some high scoring games, especially when two +5's met. The result of cutting it down to +/-3 has lowered the average point per game. World Bowl 3 in particular produced some crazy blowouts. Qazox holds the record, I believe.



No comment.

I think you misunderstand my point. I'm saying that barring the teams that have deliberately RPed themselves as underequipped or underexperienced, every game should be a massively scoring shootout (think the 1986 game where Marino and O'Brien passed for 927 yards and the final score was 51-45) until the single elimination rounds where everybody has a bunch of game tape to study and make adjustments based upon.

Maybe that COULD have been the case in World Bowl I, but this is the fifth incarnation of the event. Most high-level teams have played at least 30 games, and some of us have played almost 70 games. That's more than enough tape for anyone. Add to that the fact, that because of the small size of World Bowls relative to World Cups most of us have already played each other. The game today was the SEVENTH time Arroza's played Dancougar. We've played Kura-Pelland FIVE times, Vephrall three times, and most other teams at least once.

Secondly, just because a team is good does not mean that a team is offensively minded. An inventive defensive package can do as much for a team as an inventive offensive package. Just ask the Steelers and Ravens. In a tournament that is basically to determine the best of the best, it's a fallacy to think that everyone there is going to try to dominate through offense. Even teams that do well on offense can do dramatically different things with the ball. No one's going to confuse the Triple Option with a 4-Wide Spread or a West coast style.

No matter what the media says from the Scandinavian States, there are just some teams who are to good at defensive

From the Everything thread. I must point out that first, it's Scandavian States. Second, the INN has never maid any claims of Imperial football supremacy, but has instead only reported upon the comments of a noted loudmouth and one of the best (if most arrogant) QBs in recent IFL history.

Maybe that COULD have been the case in World Bowl I, but this is the fifth incarnation of the event. Most high-level teams have played at least 30 games, and some of us have played almost 70 games. That's more than enough tape for anyone. Add to that the fact, that because of the small size of World Bowls relative to World Cups most of us have already played each other. The game today was the SEVENTH time Arroza's played Dancougar. We've played Kura-Pelland FIVE times, Vephrall three times, and most other teams at least once.

Yes, I agree with you about the high level teams who have been in the tournament since the beginning, if they've made no adjustments or devised completely new wrinkles. However, I would point to the recent and well-known example of just what Ronnie Brown did to the Patriots when Dan Henning introduced a dramatic wrinkle that the defense wasn't prepared for. It's not like the Patriots' D was a walkover for most of the season, maybe not as excellent as in previous years, but still good. It took a few weeks for teams to fully adjust and of the teams that the Fins only played once the Ravens were the only ones able to prevent the odd big play.

My main gripe is that football isn't soccer, experience in tournaments shouldn't be a factor against new teams with new wrinkles. After all, the most commonly said phrase in relation to football is "any given Sunday", whereas in soccer WC and Olympic experience is mostly all that matters. I see way more of the latter than the former, which as I said earlier just redlines my Not Right Meter.

Secondly, just because a team is good does not mean that a team is offensively minded. An inventive defensive package can do as much for a team as an inventive offensive package. Just ask the Steelers and Ravens. In a tournament that is basically to determine the best of the best, it's a fallacy to think that everyone there is going to try to dominate through offense. Even teams that do well on offense can do dramatically different things with the ball. No one's going to confuse the Triple Option with a 4-Wide Spread or a West coast style.

I still don't think you're quite understanding my point. I don't deny that a creative defense is essential, after all my defense is a man/zone hybrid that is geared towards shutting down the kind of massive aerial attacks seen in the IFL. Both the Ravens' and Steelers' defenses are excellent at stuffing the run and way above average against the pass, but as they are now I don't know that they could stop an offense that featured the best QBs, RBs, WRs, and OL in recent memory. Slow it down, sure. Hold it to a reasonable score that their respective offenses, on a good day, might stand a chance of matching or besting. But defense in and of itself isn't the only answer, going with a supreme defense and a so-so offense just simply shouldn't work. 40-60 combined points a game is reasonable (which seems to be awfully rare in this tournament) with the odd 80-100 combined points game thrown in for teams that are serious about doing crazy things.

My main gripe is that football isn't soccer, experience in tournaments shouldn't be a factor against new teams with new wrinkles. After all, the most commonly said phrase in relation to football is "any given Sunday", whereas in soccer WC and Olympic experience is mostly all that matters. I see way more of the latter than the former, which as I said earlier just redlines my Not Right Meter.

The phrase "any given Sunday" works in a league where things like salary caps and free agency are deliberately applied to level the playing field. National teams are different. They're biased toward their strengths and apply resources proportionally. Some countries have a larger talent pool to draw from and nothing can work around that. If you have a country producing Browns-level talent and another producing Dallas-level talent, yeah, you get the odd Browns victory, but most of the time Dallas will prevail.

It's more difficult for a national team to introduce a wrinkle at this level because chances are high that said innovation was already implemented at the club level.

Both the Ravens' and Steelers' defenses are excellent at stuffing the run and way above average against the pass, but as they are now I don't know that they could stop an offense that featured the best QBs, RBs, WRs, and OL in recent memory.

Maybe not, but the Steelers and Ravens don't have a monopoly on the best talent, either. A national team can pull together Ed Reed, Ray Lewis, James Harrison, and Troy Polamalu and just go out and play. No cap numbers to worry about, no contracts to get in the way. They live here, and we've selected them.

But defense in and of itself isn't the only answer, going with a supreme defense and a so-so offense just simply shouldn't work. 40-60 combined points a game is reasonable (which seems to be awfully rare in this tournament) with the odd 80-100 combined points game thrown in for teams that are serious about doing crazy things.

We could take a gander at the real world American Football World Cup (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IFAF_World_Cup) to see how often this happens. Yes, there is such a thing, and nobody cares because the USA team, which played for the first time in the 2007 edition, is made up of NCAA players from all levels, even NAIA. Teams of comparable strength played each other pretty closely: Sweden 16-14 France, Germany 7-0 Sweden, and you could claim USA 33-7 Germany. The final between the USA and Japan was 23-20 in overtime, and the Japanese were the two-time defending champs. There were also blowouts (USA 77-0 South Korea, Japan 48-0 Sweden), which I'd attribute more to the talent gap than anything else.

40-60 combined points a game is reasonable (which seems to be awfully rare in this tournament) with the odd 80-100 combined points game thrown in for teams that are serious about doing crazy things.

We must have had a lot of those in the original Gridiron World Championships (http://wikistates.outwardhosting.com/wiki/Gridiron_World_Championships), the predecessor to the World Bowl. :D

That said, the scores seem fine to me, as opposed to the ones from that one, which I thought were highly unrealistic. Who'd have known that an adaptation of my scorinator for a completely different sport would give better results than one I built specifically for this one? :p

(Although, one minor thing that bugs me ever so slightly is the inability for a team to finish with 2 points using this method. Then again, if you only score 2 points, you're not going to win anyway, I guess. :p)

(Although, one minor thing that bugs me ever so slightly is the inability for a team to finish with 2 points using this method. Then again, if you only score 2 points, you're not going to win anyway, I guess. :p)

Not so fast! ProFootballReference.com counts five ending 2-0, although none since 1938: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/game_scores_find.cgi?pts_win=2&pts_lose=0

The phrase "any given Sunday" works in a league where things like salary caps and free agency are deliberately applied to level the playing field. National teams are different. They're biased toward their strengths and apply resources proportionally. Some countries have a larger talent pool to draw from and nothing can work around that. If you have a country producing Browns-level talent and another producing Dallas-level talent, yeah, you get the odd Browns victory, but most of the time Dallas will prevail.

I agree completely with this, actually. I just don't believe it's accounted for. If, in a country of 300 million (the US) you get three, maybe four, current players in a given position with a real claim of Hall-worthy greatness (I'll bet you can guess which ones I speak of), in a country of 3 billion you should have 40 of a similar skill level. In a country of 12 billion you should have 160.

It's more difficult for a national team to introduce a wrinkle at this level because chances are high that said innovation was already implemented at the club level.

But a wrinkle the other national teams have seen? To use the IFL as an example, there are 40 teams and each team plays eighteen games a season (8 against division and ten against non-division), so that's 360 game tapes a season. Say you go back ten years just to be sure you've covered every coaching tree, that's 3600 game tapes to review. You're going to have to find out who every coach is, down to the meanest assistant position coach, to make sure you can gameplan for every possible wrinkle. That's a who hell of a lot of man-hours. So I think that not only are teams not going to be prepared for every possible wrinkle a team new to the tournament could possibly throw, no smart team is even going to bother. They'll play their game to the best of their ability and then if they make it to single elimination, they'll review the game tapes from the tournament and the relevant tapes from the club level, then archive any they don't need.

So I think my contention that WB experience shouldn't matter as much as it seems to, at least in the earlier rounds, holds water. In the later rounds, when teams with WB experience who really know the intricacies of how to pace themselves come up against teams that are new to the tourney face each other, WB experience should tell.

Maybe not, but the Steelers and Ravens don't have a monopoly on the best talent, either. A national team can pull together Ed Reed, Ray Lewis, James Harrison, and Troy Polamalu and just go out and play. No cap numbers to worry about, no contracts to get in the way. They live here, and we've selected them.

I think just about any safety or LB could do well in either system. It's scheme, scheme, scheme. However, even Dick LaBeu admitted, when ESPN Magazine did an article on offenses like the Wildcat and Spread HD, that schematically it would be hard to stop something like the A-11 if it were run by Tom Brady and Peyton Manning (just those two, never mind having their choice of receivers). I'm not saying defense doesn't matter. Defense, in the end, wins championships. There's just a point where defense has more to do with slowing down the opposition rather than stopping it. I think at this level that point's been hit from day one.

World Bowl 3 in particular produced some crazy blowouts. Qazox holds the record, I believe.

No comment.

I'll comment: Vephrall 3:51 Arroza in World Bowl I.

Not so fast! ProFootballReference.com counts five ending 2-0, although none since 1938: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/game_scores_find.cgi?pts_win=2&pts_lose=0

Oh, I know it can happen IRL; I'm saying that it can't with our current World Bowl scorination method.

Oh, and...

*bitchslaps Sarzonia*

I thought I told you never to speak of that again!

We must have had a lot of those in the original Gridiron World Championships (http://wikistates.outwardhosting.com/wiki/Gridiron_World_Championships), the predecessor to the World Bowl. :D

There's three beatdowns in the first round of that tournament that stick out to me, one particularly being a 2-2 team beating a 3-1 team 60-10. The Mallatarsland smoking of Angaor, while completely over the top, seems typical of a truly superior team at the top of their game smashing a barely mediocre one having a bad day.

Btw, I looked at the NFL records page and it list four teams scoring ten touchdowns in one game, seven teams scoring nine TDs (the most recent being the Dec 7, 1980 CHI vs GBP game), and so many teams scoring eight TDs in a game that the NFL didn't bother listing them.

Mayhap writing into your program statistical caps based on NFL all-time records?

That said, the scores seem fine to me, as opposed to the ones from that one, which I thought were highly unrealistic. Who'd have known that an adaptation of my scorinator for a completely different sport would give better results than one I built specifically for this one? :p

I think it seems realistic because people just don't realize how often one-sided beatdowns actually happen. Maybe not to the extreme of eighty points in a game, but they do happen and often. In all actually it seems to me the process was fairly even, despite the high scores.

Oh, I know it can happen IRL; I'm saying that it can't with our current World Bowl scorination method.

Oh, and...

*bitchslaps Sarzonia*

I thought I told you never to speak of that again!

Uh, no you didn't.

*Kicks Vephrall in the nuts with a steel-toed boot*

Did anybody on here see the scores for the last Football cahmpionships in Japan between the 6 countries in the world that made iot. All the games, except the ones that included the us, were 20-20 and stuff like then. And further if my team witch plays a -whatver is the most defensive style let somebody get into a shootout with them id be really mad. Thirdly theses may be All Stars on offense but like someone else said that the probowlers just let things slide on defense, but when you play for your country you do not let other beat the crap out of you. And when to defensive teams play its gonna be low scoring because niether team is really concentrating on offense, and in some countries All Starrts are just the guys that show up to play, they arent all stars usually until; theyve done something a lot on each level.

Could be worse.

Georgia Tech 222 - Cumberland 0 (1916)

Did anybody on here see the scores for the last Football cahmpionships in Japan between the 6 countries in the world that made iot. All the games, except the ones that included the us, were 20-20 and stuff like then. And further if my team witch plays a -whatver is the most defensive style let somebody get into a shootout with them id be really mad. Thirdly theses may be All Stars on offense but like someone else said that the probowlers just let things slide on defense, but when you play for your country you do not let other beat the crap out of you. And when to defensive teams play its gonna be low scoring because niether team is really concentrating on offense, and in some countries All Starrts are just the guys that show up to play, they arent all stars usually until; theyve done something a lot on each level.

As I said; scheme, scheme, scheme. Say my offense is a seven out of ten, with anything above five progressively favoring passing and anything under progressively favoring runs. A defense which is a five (pretty much any NFL base scheme such as the Cover 2 or 3-4 zone blitz) is going to be facing an offense which has a 40% greater than normal chance of completing a pass. Why? Because the offense is likely in some form of spread and is very good at running pass plays, as determined by the seven rating. If, for a given play, the player on offense rolls three or less, that play is a running play and the five defense has a 67& advantage over the seven.

In either case both players roll a d10 to determine the outcome and then the advantage roll is subtracted from the disadvantage roll after the predetermined advantage is applied to either a run or pass. It sounds complicated, but each plays only requires two rolls plus some simple math in between to determine the outcome of each play. Hell, if you want to make it really simple, you can use the 120 play/game average in the NFL and do 240 two dice rolls to figure the outcome of the game.

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I get what Scandavian States is saying.
Basically: Scandavian States wants the scorinator to be MORE realistic, while the current one is not-as-realistic-as-can-be.

BUT: In the NFL and in College, in games involving teams of similar talent levels. Scores of 23-16, 28-24, 30-23 are MORE PREVALENT than the 45-3 whupping.

In my view, The World Bowl, at the group stages at least, mirrors College where you have the chance at the 49-10 game, whereas in the playoff stages, the NFL average of 26-20 seem to be the norm.

Scandavian States, if you so wish, create a scorinator to your liking, and if possible scorinate a sample tourney of four-eight teams, with various RP bonuses, ratings and modifiers. IF the results are reasonable (ie: no 222-0 scores or a bunch of 3-3 ties) then submit a bid to host the next World Bowl.

I just think that the vast majority of participants, especially the regulars are satisfied with the method of scorination.

Of course they are...considering they are in the play-offs....

Of course they are...considering they are in the play-offs....

Now, now, Toc. Let's not be bitter about this.

Rankings Post World Bowl V:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/ztmf5tyzm5o/Football Rankings (AMS) [postwb-5].ods

http://www.mediafire.com/file/dzqnywy23yj/Football Rankings (AMS) [postwb-5].xls

Rankings Post World Bowl V:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/ztmf5tyzm5o/Football Rankings (AMS) [postwb-5].ods

http://www.mediafire.com/file/dzqnywy23yj/Football Rankings (AMS) [postwb-5].xls

How's about English (ie: posting them in the thread, as usual?)

Anon delivers. At least, if you didn't know I was Dancougar.

1 Arroza 22
2 Dancougar 21.25
3 Newmanistan 20.25
4 Qazox 20
5 Kura-Pelland 17
6 Taeshan 16
7 Secristan 16
8 Rennidan 14
9 Vephrall 11.5
10 Sarzonia 11.25
11 Cotenshire 10.75
12 Lovisa 8.5
13 Bluth Corp 8.25
14 Green Wombat 8.25
15 Cassadaigua 7.5
16 Colbourne 7
17 Bushdome 6
18 Fujisawan Terr 6
19 Candrian Empire 5
20 Peisandros 5
21 Prux 5
22 Lurikastan 4.25
23 Myedvedeva 3.5
24 Patetopia 3
25 Nethertopia 3
26 Scandavian St 3
27 Greal 2.75
28 Kjomasasopia 2.5
29 Swilatia 2.5
30 Miroxia 2.25
31 W Newmanistan 2
32 kosovoe 2
33 Tocrowkia 2
34 Milchama 1.25
35 Rymeria 1
36 Tortuga y Hisp 1
37 LeQuince 1
38 Twin Dominions 1
39 Christstan 1
40 SeriniteII 1
41 Valerian Empire 0.75
42 Mantwenic 0.75
43 Antitidum 0.5
44 La Habana Cuba 0.5
45 NW Polaris 0
46 So Northland 0
47 Kose/Turkomans 0
48 Shinfundo 0
49 Atruria 0
50 Pablicosta 0
51 Holy Marsh 0
52 UCS 0
53 Valanora 0
54 So'hamptonshire 0
55 kenavt 0
56 United Hetzel 0
57 Yafor 2 0
58 Australiah 0
59 Am3ricans 0
60 Questille 0
61 Bettia 0

New Elo rankings are up: http://wikistates.outwardhosting.com/wiki/Post-World_Bowl_V_Elo_Rankings

If you play a friendly game outside the auspices of the World Bowl that you want included in the ratings, let me know the result (including final score), because my spreadsheet is set up to handle those as well as games within the World Bowl.

Greetings from your friendly neighborhood Dancougar.

Scorinating twice works but it's annoying to do manually. But I know Java. So, I decided I'd hack NSFS to automagically scorinate both American football and soccer: http://sites.google.com/site/nsdancougarfoo/files/nsfs2071.zip (http://sites.google.com/site/nsdancougarfoo/files/nsfs2071.zip)

I basically rearranged code so that it can run Newmanistan's algorithm and do all the gridiron math by itself. To enable this, add the football-code tag to the league or cup top-level (by name and season-id) and provide the value "american". You can type "association" and it will simulate soccer as before. The extra pat-style tag was added to teams, so you can specify that in addition to rank and style. The values are -1 for "never go for 2", 0 for "logical", and 1 for "always". Both the sample league and cup XML files have been edited to show how these work in case these descriptions aren't good enough.

The football-code tag is optional and defaults to "association" if not provided. The pat-style tag is also optional and defaults to 0. Additionally, specifying pat-styles for soccer will result in... nothing happening. They'll be ignored. This way, your current soccer configuration files will continue to work as they always have.

That's dope, anon. (I'm gonna call you that now. :D ) I'm off to create a Norwellian Gridball League now. See y'all when the fat lady sings.

OK, today is not my day for scorinating.

Danno, what do you make of this?


Error 102: Unknown I/O error.

Debugging information:
com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.impl.io.UTF8Reader.invalidByte(Unknown Source)
com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.impl.io.UTF8Reader.read(Unknown Source)
com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.impl.XMLEntityScanner.load(Unknown Source)
com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.impl.XMLEntityScanner.skipChar(Unknown Source)
com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.impl.XMLDocumentFragmentScannerImpl$FragmentContentDriver.next(Un known Source)
com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.impl.XMLDocumentScannerImpl.next(Unknown Source)
com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.impl.XMLDocumentFragmentScannerImpl.scanDocument(Unknown Source)
com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.parsers.XML11Configuration.parse(Unknown Source)

OK, today is not my day for scorinating.

Danno, what do you make of this?


Error 102: Unknown I/O error.
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I'd need to see your input file to know for sure. Telegram or private message it to me and I'll try to reproduce it on my end.

I've put it in a pastebin so as not to risk corrupting the code on the forum or the NS site, and also so that others can look at it if they so choose:

http://pastebin.com/m80f0298

You seem to have PMs turned off, but I'll send you a telegram with the URL also.

Nevermind, I figured it out. It's because I used the Spanish ñ character in a team name. NSFS doesn't like that, apparently.

Nevermind, I figured it out. It's because I used the Spanish ñ character in a team name. NSFS doesn't like that, apparently.

That typically isn't a problem. One thing I'd try checking is which character set you're saving the input file in. While I'm fairly sure it works with most common ones, it generally expects it to be in UTF-8.

To do this in Notepad: in the "Save As" dialog, there should be a dropdown box below the file name. Click on that and select "UTF-8".

That might fix the problem.

(Oh, and a big :hail: to Dancougar for that little modification. I think I'll keep that in NSFS3 if I ever get around to finishing it. :D)

Not to deter your interest in possibly hosting the BoF, but this is precisely the time I plan on getting World Bowl 6 underway. (Draft weekend). Hint, hint. ;)

Eerg.

In that case, consider this an official statement that I will not be submitting any sort of hosting bid. Assuming draft weekend is the start, that hits me right at finals and a long-distance move. :$

Eerg.

In that case, consider this an official statement that I will not be submitting any sort of hosting bid. Assuming draft weekend is the start, that hits me right at finals and a long-distance move. :$

I remember college finals week.....

Didn't really consider that (since I have since graduated). Will this affect any other regular players?

I'm not sure when draft weekend is and can't be arsed to check, but the madness will slowly increase over here over the next 10 weeks. This quarter is going to be insane.

I'm not sure when draft weekend is and can't be arsed to check, but the madness will slowly increase over here over the next 10 weeks. This quarter is going to be insane.

April 25th. At my own work, Memorial Day week and the week before are insane, so I was hoping this would be done by then based on my own schedule! But I remember enough about finals week to know that'd be a time to avoid if possible.

April 25th bookends Week 4 and Week 5 (out of 10) for me, which will be insane, but not abnormally so :D

I remember college finals week.....

Didn't really consider that (since I have since graduated). Will this affect any other regular players?

I think my finals are significantly earlier than most others, possibly due to us being on a semester system here rather than a quarter system.

Either way, at least this is the last time I have to deal with them. :D

I intend to bid to host to World Bowl 6.

The Nordics will, of course, be there. Let's give this thing another shot.

Sarzonia intends to compete in World Bowl VI.

Yeah we know we'll all onna be back were just deciding when the best possible time it would be to start it.

Finals for me would be in the second week of this if it began on the 25th but I could manage that. These past two weeks have been the more difficult ones as the professors all gang up on you and have your 15-20 page papers be due in a span of five days. On the bright side, I just finished my last one!

Wait, is this a signup thread now?

No its just a stating of interest the real sign up thread would be posted when we all agrre on a time.

Well, I know in my case the whole first half of May is probably bad (after the aforementioned exams, I'll be moving from Atlanta to the DC suburbs and getting everything set up there), but I'd rather not have the whole thing held up just for me. :p

NFL DRAFT weekend is fine with me....

Oh, where in the DC area, if you don't mind me asking? I grew up in Mitchellville (near Bowie).

Consider me interested.

Oh, where in the DC area, if you don't mind me asking? I grew up in Mitchellville (near Bowie).

I actually live near Mitchellville/Bowie now.

But yeah, pretty soon I'm going to have to deal with Vephrall in my backyard. :rolleyes: :p

Oh, cool. Go...um....Bay Sox....cough, cough...

I don't follow the damn BaySox.

They're part of that stench known as the Blowrioles organisation ... er, I mean Orioles. Fuck 'em.

But yeah.

Yeah Phillies All the way(oh really id be happy with the Rays, and Mets two), but anyways what does this conversation have to do with the World Bowl.

Yeah Phillies All the way(oh really id be happy with the Rays, and Mets two), but anyways what does this conversation have to do with the World Bowl.

Nothing, but it does make me want to vomit. :gundge:

Yeah Phillies All the way(oh really id be happy with...Mets two)

This does not go both ways. It's one or the other. Phillies or Mets. Just like you don't hear Yankee fans saying, "I like the Red Sox too."

Consider me interested.

Please then consider the sign up thread which is already open!

Why not the Mets fans unlike the Phillies fans don't hate the Phillies while most of us hate the Mets. I've never seen why we couldnt like the other considering there has only been like three years now that we have really been rivals.

Why not the Mets fans unlike the Phillies fans don't hate the Phillies while most of us hate the Mets. I've never seen why we couldnt like the other considering there has only been like three years now that we have really been rivals.

No way, young child. :p
It's always been a rivalry. ALWAYS. Even when they were fighting for 4th place in the NL East. It's just been in the media in more over the last few years because the Braves no longer own the division.

Mets fans don't like us either. Yankee fans are their #1 target, obviously, but we are #2. Of course, no one really likes Philadelphia fans, do they?


(OOC: Oh and the World Cup Discussion Thread goes off on tangents too. We can allow this briefly!)

It's just been in the media in more over the last few years because the Braves no longer own the division.

Actually, we've just rented it out for the past three years. I think your lease is up, though. :p

I'm pretty sure even the Philadelphia fans don't like the Philadelphia fans, and that goes for all sports.

Friggin '92 NLCS.

Day that baseball died ^_^

No way, young child. :p
It's always been a rivalry. ALWAYS. Even when they were fighting for 4th place in the NL East. It's just been in the media in more over the last few years because the Braves no longer own the division.

Mets fans don't like us either. Yankee fans are their #1 target, obviously, but we are #2. Of course, no one really likes Philadelphia fans, do they?


(OOC: Oh and the World Cup Discussion Thread goes off on tangents too. We can allow this briefly!)

D.C. area fans sure don't like Philly or New York.

Take it to (American) football and it's essentially birthright to hate Dallas. Even my sports-hating father hates the Cowboys (he refers to their city as "Malice.")

Believe it or not, a lot of kids at my elementary school in Mitchellville liked the Cowboys. They were huge back then. Of course, the staff and the right-thinking students hated those losers (the Redskins won a damn super bowl, fercrissakes! Beat Dan Marino!)

Why not the Mets fans unlike the Phillies fans don't hate the Phillies while most of us hate the Mets. I've never seen why we couldnt like the other considering there has only been like three years now that we have really been rivals.

No. Just No. Mets - Phillies - Braves = Triangle of Hate.

Friggin '92 NLCS.

Day that baseball died ^_^

You call it the day baseball died, I call it the start of a dynasty.

Believe it or not, a lot of kids at my elementary school in Mitchellville liked the Cowboys. They were huge back then. Of course, the staff and the right-thinking students hated those losers (the Redskins won a damn super bowl, fercrissakes! Beat Dan Marino!)

Actually, Dan Marino didn't play in Super Bowl XVII. David Woodley was the starting quarterback for the Miami Dolphins that year. Dan Marino wasn't drafted until before the 1983 season. That Redskins-Dolphins Super Bowl came after the 1982 season.

D.C. area fans sure don't like Philly or New York.

Take it to (American) football and it's essentially birthright to hate Dallas. Even my sports-hating father hates the Cowboys (he refers to their city as "Malice.")

Don't you mean the ALICE Cowgirls?

Actually, Dan Marino didn't play in Super Bowl XVII. David Woodley was the starting quarterback for the Miami Dolphins that year. Dan Marino wasn't drafted until before the 1983 season. That Redskins-Dolphins Super Bowl came after the 1982 season.

My bad, the Redskins beat the Bills that year. (It was 1992.) I wasn't even born in 1983.

Arroza and Taeshan?

Damn, I really must've done something to piss off Margaret prior to the group draw. :p

Shut up Veph.

I've got Qazox, Newmanistan AND Rennidan in MY group! :p

yeah, but really Arroza and Taeshan come on id take that any day.

I'm not looking at the rankings here, just pure history. Which has not been kind to me...

Group C is rough but then again they all are. All groups look like they have at least four legitimate contenders.

Group C is rough but then again they all are. All groups look like they have at least four legitimate contenders.

Yup; lots of repeat offenders in this one as opposed to new competitors, so there's not that much between the teams in terms of their KPB, or whatever we call our equivalent. Add to that, a lot of these teams are strong roleplayers, too.

I'm gonna have to turn up the defense a bit for this one ^_^

What about me? I got:

Colbourne (16)
Lucino (NR)
Newmanistan (3)
Rennidan (8)
Sarzonia (10)
Tocrowkia (33)

in my group... LOL

The groups are tough. I thought about expanding the playoffs to 12 teams where the group winners and the best second place team get a bye but I think it's better to just leave it as it is. With fourteen matchdays, qualifying is meaninful for everyone and that hasn't always been the case in the World Bowl.

I do sympathize with the newbies and Tocrowkia.

With fourteen matchdays, qualifying is meaninful for everyone and that hasn't always been the case in the World Bowl.

Well, in that case, let's just nix the playoffs all together! We'll let the rest of the forum vote on who's best, and then we can...

*runs away from a crush of flaming arrows*

just vote me supreme ruler. Anyways its not our fault there that lowly ranked that they ended up playing the best. Thats how you make it somewhere by beating the best.

Hey, I made up my own damn offensive formation. If that doesn't help me beat the best, I dunno what will.

continuosly rping, and thats been done before the play thing. its a bit over the top though.

continuosly rping

Yeah, I know :/

its a bit over the top though.

Hey, it's a full team profile. It took 5 hours and it was fun to do. I'm hoping it has some influence on football RPing in the future. It would be awesome if the revolver offense caught on as an NS exclusive.

its a bit over the top though.

Really? I'd call that Doing It Right. All I ever do is say "Uh... we like to run. And play the 3-4. You know what, watch the 70s Steelers and put my names over theirs."

Noone said we have to do that. If we did it would take like five minutes. In my short history of football (like the past 7 years didnt wtch til i was like 5 or so) it is pretty easy to come up with a good plan of attack.

continuosly rping, and thats been done before the play thing. its a bit over the top though.

(Puts on Archregimancy hat)

Please drop it. There is nothing wrong with what Norwellia did and quite frankly I found it highly interesting. To attempt to discourage that kind of high quality RPing is unacceptable, especially when it is towards a newer user. This is the kind of thing that you do that annoys the World Cup veterans on the World Cup thread. Please do not bring it here.

Enough is enough.

(Takes off Archregimancy hat)

Who says it was discouragement i just said it may have been a bit to much. and um what gives you the uh right to stop this action even if it was an action. We dont exactly have a primer leader as in soccer.

Who says it was discouragement i just said it may have been a bit to much. and um what gives you the uh right to stop this action even if it was an action. We dont exactly have a primer leader as in soccer.

Being the unofficial leader of World Bowl related events since its inception, I am pretty much the President of this. If you wish to do something constructive and wish to propose that we have an election to name an official President then go ahead, otherwise, the World Bowl is something that I consider myself the "go to guy" with, if you don't want to term me as a President.

I see the leaders of the World Bowl effort as amore group effort between the hosts, and a few of us like me and Veph, and some others who pushed it from the Grid to what it became at first. Yes you may infact be the overall most into it, but really did you have to say outright that you think youve done the most and nonoe else had a big impact on it.

Speaking of IMPORTANT WORLD BOWL business, I'll (hopefully) have a World Bowl VI wikipage up hopefully soon.

I see the leaders of the World Bowl effort as amore group effort between the hosts, and a few of us like me and Veph, and some others who pushed it from the Grid to what it became at first. Yes you may infact be the overall most into it, but really did you have to say outright that you think youve done the most and nonoe else had a big impact on it.

Drop it. If you regard someone else as the leader of this go ahead. There are indeed several who do a lot. But I'm sure that Dancougar, Arroza, Qazox, Vephrall, among others would all agree that there is nothing constructive and it's actually very counter-productive to be discouraging a new user to RP how he wishes too.

The formations are nice addition, and provide us who have longer RP's with more information that we can use when discussing the game. Traditionally, people have been allowed to RP as they see fit, and nothing is overkill that I have seen thus far, and it would take quite a bit for me to think that.

Well, someone's on my ass whenever I try to contribute anything around here, so I'm used to it.

Tae.. just drop it. I understand the intent of what you said, but the meaning came across incorrectly.

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The groups are tough. I thought about expanding the playoffs to 12 teams where the group winners and the best second place team get a bye but I think it's better to just leave it as it is. With fourteen matchdays, qualifying is meaninful for everyone and that hasn't always been the case in the World Bowl.

I do sympathize with the newbies and Tocrowkia.

Thank you.

Norwellia, note that we do have history with Lovisa. We met on MD8 of World Bowl V, winning 27-23. There were cross-group games in this World Bowl.

Oops! Thanks for the heads up, I'll note that in my files.

Out of curiosity, what was the history?

/should really be catching up on homework or, better, sleeping

I'm just glad I didn't miss a matchday.

As for the leadership:

"We form like Voltron, and Newmanistan just happened to be the head" - Method Man [paraphrased]

Edit: Take heart, Vephrall. You're one of only 3 countries not named Dancougar or Kura-Pelland to win a football game against Arroza in 6 World Bowls, and the only one to have not done it in World Bowl I.

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Kind of silly to type "OOC" in a discussion thread, which is normally OOC by definition, don't you think?

Kind of silly to type "OOC" in a discussion thread, which is normally OOC by definition, don't you think?

so???

Sarzonia: Do you still sell Navy Ships/Weaponry? Just wondering, this has nothing to do with playing at Cotenshire tonight. :eek:

I sure do (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=457777).

I sure do (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=457777).

Thank you, good sir. You have a medium sized order (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14732016&postcount=358).

Also: Tony Gonzalez to the Falcons! Heck yes!

I've confirmed (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14732071&postcount=359) your order.

If you have any OOC questions, feel free to drop me a PM here on Jolt or TG me in game.

Also: Tony Gonzalez to the Falcons! Heck yes!

Hey, good for him, but I'll be sad not to see the touchdown race between him and Antonio Gates twice a year anymore. The promotion is about eight years overdue, IMO. It's a shame that he doesn't yet have the handful of Super Bowl rings he so richly deserves.

It's a shame that he doesn't yet have the handful of Super Bowl rings he so richly deserves.

He could've always come and played for us ^_^

justa word of note... the wikipage will be updated every 3 or 4 MD's, NOT EVERYDAY (unless someone else wants to do it) It is permalinked to the header of my posts. as: QSPN.com/WorldBowlVI Coverage

The Pittsburgh Steelers..... why I don't feel sorry for Pittsburgh Pirates fans.

Just like.... the Detroit Red Wings... why I don't feel sorry for Detroit Lions fans.

The Pittsburgh Steelers..... why I don't feel sorry for Pittsburgh Pirates fans.

Just like.... the Detroit Red Wings... why I don't feel sorry for Detroit Lions fans.

Oh, hush, you guys got to win something, too :-P

I've been to the other side of the fourth wall and back, my friend, and let me tell you, it's a whole 'nother world. What say you on this nonsense, these Joe Gibbses and Air Coryells?

Stanley P.
Placido

I'd say that you're on the wrong side of the wall, then. It's all in good fun! After all, do you really think it's all that original, and terribly convenient, that our coach has a name like 'Will Moohim'? Knowing what you know, I'm sure you can solve the mystery. Next you'll be expecting me to do some Don Julio Silver shots...

Thanks for the vote of confidence. Can you give me a hint on the Moohim thing, though? I'm sure I'll feel stupid after I figure it out (or someone tells me)...

Personally, as far as the fourth wall goes, I consider all influential real-life sports formations, ideas, tactics, etc. to be existant and influential on NS sports, because otherwise it'd be too hard for me to draw the line. Does the 4-4-2 exist? What about the shotgun formation? The double switch? The soccer rule against taking one's shirt off to celebrate a goal? I'd rather not get into that debate (with myself, granted).

I draw the line at actually hiring real-life people, though. But that's just my RP style, and if Marty Schottenheimer can win World Bowl VII, more power to him.

Thanks for the vote of confidence. Can you give me a hint on the Moohim thing, though? I'm sure I'll feel stupid after I figure it out (or someone tells me)...

Back when the World Bowl first happened, Newmanistan described -2 as "think Pittsburgh Steelers", so naturally that's what I picked for my team.

With that context, next think about what goes moo...

AGGGGGGGGH

I do feel stupid.

OOC at Dan: from 35 yards out it would've been Tim Pogley. Brightman's used for kicks more than 40-45 yards away (dependent upon wind conditions).

Yeah... I read their descriptions in your roster post and was wrestling over where the cutoff would be for the short-range guy versus the long-range guy. I chose.... poorly. *ages rapidly for no reason and evaporates into dust*

I've edited my original post accordingly.

it took Arroza THAT long to figure out Bill Cowher? I got it right away, after i drank a beer or three.

it took Arroza THAT long to figure out Bill Cowher? I got it right away, after i drank a beer or three.

I never really had reason to ponder the roots of Moohim. Besides, due to our history and rivalry game, I've always associated Dancougar with the Univ. of Pittsburgh, not the Steelers.

Besides, due to our history and rivalry game, I've always associated Dancougar with the Univ. of Pittsburgh

Which makes it a good thing that you're on the other side of that rivalry. (While I was born in Georgia and currently attend Georgia Tech (for about the next week, anyway :D), my family comes from - yep, you guessed it - West by God Virginia. :p)

I never really had reason to ponder the roots of Moohim. Besides, due to our history and rivalry game, I've always associated Dancougar with the Univ. of Pittsburgh, not the Steelers.

I tend to steal RP fodder from lots of teams around the area, and living on top of Pitt has definitely given me stuff to work with. (And I'm quite happy to see that NSFS has given some love to the fictional Carnegie Tech by sending them to both grand finals in my latest Domestic Soccer post!)

That'll teach me to skype all day instead of paying attention.

A one-point loss to the Candrian freakin' Empire? Oh, that's brutal.

They have been in a few more times then you and they have a better ranking.

Hmm, what are the odds of a 4-way tie at 8-4 or 9-3 in Group A.

Murderes row has nothing on poor Steroga's schedule.

If all four top teams win all of their games against non-top 4 opponents, and win their home games [with one exception: Cassadaigua over Taeshan], then we will have a situation in Group A where not only are there 4 teams at 9-3. All four of those teams will have lost to each of the other top 4 teams in their group once.

Does it go to goal differential in that situation?

I'm not a fan of having three straight away fixtures and five of six away matches with the lone home match in that stretch being against fuggin Qazox. But I'll live.

Steroga's getting tagged big time. Sucks to be them.

...with the lone home match in that stretch being against fuggin Qazox. .

So there is a bright spot....:tongue:

YUm wouldnt i be on top of Vephrall. I beat them head to head. (or maybe i didnt read that you werent using H2H, if thats the case forget this.

YUm wouldnt i be on top of Vephrall. I beat them head to head. (or maybe i didnt read that you werent using H2H, if thats the case forget this.

Yeah, they're just sorted by point differential for now, even though head-to-head is technically the first tiebreaker (and would put KP ahead of me in Group B).

So there is a bright spot....:tongue:

For you, perhaps! :p

YUm wouldnt i be on top of Vephrall. I beat them head to head. (or maybe i didnt read that you werent using H2H, if thats the case forget this.

Starting with the second half, I will be sorting based on H2H. You are correct in that you are in first right now, officially.

If all four top teams win all of their games against non-top 4 opponents, and win their home games [with one exception: Cassadaigua over Taeshan], then we will have a situation in Group A where not only are there 4 teams at 9-3. All four of those teams will have lost to each of the other top 4 teams in their group once.

Does it go to goal differential in that situation?

Yes if this were to occur, it would be decided by overall point differential.

I'm not a fan of having three straight away fixtures and five of six away matches with the lone home match in that stretch being against fuggin Qazox. But I'll live.


I tried to keep teams from long road stretches. After setting up the schedule, I was aware that this would happen, but if I changed MD7 to be 3 at 6 instead of 6 at 3, then “3" has six consecutive road games. Changing another pairing would have kept someone from having three first half home games, which is something that I attempted to ensure. You do finish with a nice four of five homestand. I figured that would be a good trade off for the “6's”

I think it was World Cup 44 where I had seven of eight road games to start qualifying and my home match was against the top ranked team of the group, so I can understand.

If all four top teams win all of their games against non-top 4 opponents, and win their home games [with one exception: Cassadaigua over Taeshan], then we will have a situation in Group A where not only are there 4 teams at 9-3. All four of those teams will have lost to each of the other top 4 teams in their group once.

Does it go to goal differential in that situation?

Cripes, what is this, the ACC Coastal Division? :p

You do finish with a nice four of five homestand. I figured that would be a good trade off for the “6's”

Hence my saying, "but I'll live." :)

YUm wouldnt i be on top of Vephrall. I beat them head to head. (or maybe i didnt read that you werent using H2H, if thats the case forget this.

Secristan's not sorting with tie-breakers until after MD8.

So much for being fresh after your bye!

I might not be Online the next two nights, as I'm finally moving into my new place. If i can I will post, ifnot, I'll be back on monday, most likely.

Note to Arroza Fadron Pizza field at Wonder Park is the home of the wiechester Wonder of Wiechester on a different island of Taeshan. (it has like a 1 degree lower temp average) and really it is confusing whats going on there. The Fadron Pizza Company has a hand in most businesses in Taeshan. Or business fronts. all over Taeshan.

Dancougar: If you RP before us, please have Jerry Eiseman be the starting QB and Casey Stewart start HB. Mitchell and Hausler have been suspended for the game.

Note to Arroza Fadron Pizza field at Wonder Park is the home of the wiechester Wonder of Wiechester on a different island of Taeshan. (it has like a 1 degree lower temp average) and really it is confusing whats going on there. The Fadron Pizza Company has a hand in most businesses in Taeshan. Or business fronts. all over Taeshan.

wat

Dancougar: If you RP before us, please have Jerry Eiseman be the starting QB and Casey Stewart start HB. Mitchell and Hausler have been suspended for the game.

WTG Secristan, first team to beat Dancougar in Dancougar!

The field is in wiechester, Fadron Pizza just owns it, and i cant believe i lost that may be the biggest peice of bs loss ive ever had.

Yo, someone be sure to message me when the next World Bowl is organized. I really wanted to be in this one and make some noise.

17-10 tnak God. Know i'd hate to be in Cassa's pos right now. Nothing you can do, at least your practically assured a spot in the playoffs unless they tie.

17-10 tnak God. Know i'd hate to be in Cassa's pos right now. Nothing you can do, at least your practically assured a spot in the playoffs unless they tie.

Not exactly, I mean if Vephrall wins then they'd have to beat us on differential, which is probably not going to happen since we were top in the tournament after MD 12. So theoretically Cassadaigua's pretty much got to hope we win tomorrow to go through a Vephrall's expense.

Ooh! Match fixing scandal! I'm just wondering what would happen if I chose not to RP on purpose with the intention of losing the game, to let Vephrall through into the knockout round.

What's more surprising is that there's a pretty good chance that we could be in the 8/9 qualifying game. Actually, that would mean we might get Dancougar in the first round. Man, going empty is looking better and better.

I just want to remind everyone that the MD14 scorination will be about 4-5 hours later then normal as I had said at the opening that scorination on Thursday's will be later, and last Thursday was an off day!

Rankings: post World Bowl VI are up. Links to relevant ODS/XLS files will be provided upon request along with an explanation of the ranking system if anyone wants it, as usual.

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Arroza, did ya update the wikipage as well?

Arroza, did ya update the wikipage as well?

No, not yet.

Edit: I don't even think I do the ELO rankings, I do the ones that are similar to the World Cup system.

Just wondering that's all.

I'll have the games and avg. score up this weekend probably, on the wiki.

I'm the one who does the Elo rankings...I'll get them up sometime in the next few weeks or so.

It's a pity I missed this World Bowl...I just resurrected my nation yesterday morning, after letting it lapse for a few months due to a combination of both computer issues and a 20-hour courseload of all 300- and 400-level classes in addition to my jazz ensemble and symphony orchestra classes, but I'll go through the WBVI thread when I get a chance and input the results into my Elo spreadsheet and post them, don't worry.

The latest Elo rankings are available at http://wikistates.outwardhosting.com/wiki/Post-World_Bowl_VI_Elo_Rankings

Not many surprises here...the ratings of the topmost countries actually dropped because beginning with WBV I changed the calculations so instead of just looking at wins or losses, it looks at how big a win or loss was. The ratings will stabilize after WBVII, when the last ratings that were calculated with the old method drop out (since it only takes into account the last three World Bowls).

For those of you who understand the Elo system, what I did was, instead of assigning a "score" of 1 for a win and 0 for a loss, the "score" is now equal to the fraction of the points in the entire game scored by a given team. So in a game that ends with a score 15-5, the winner's "score" for Elo purposes will be 15/20=0.75, and the loser's will be 5/20=0.75.

Please note that World Bowl 7 signups have begun on the new forum, as has a new version of this very discussion thread.

The new forum represents the future of NS, whether they are preferable to this forum or not (in my opinion, it is very preferable to this forum), and is where all future World Bowl competitions will take place. Also for those interested, a new domestic American Football newswire thread has also been created over there.