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This is he official world bowl discussion thread. We can talk about the world bowl now. Future ones even past bowls.(when it might come to that) also we can talk about football in todays world. Tell about are countries league. (someone could make a link to that thread with ALL THE LEAGUE SCORES AND SUCH)

Known Professional Football Leagues

BLOG-Bettian League of Gridiron
OFL-Oliverrian Football League(now Septrionia)
HFL-Horizon Football League(West Pacific)
NMFL-New Montreal Football League
BAFL-Bedistan American Football League
QAG-Qazox Association of Gridball
EFL-Empire Football League(Newmanistan)
TFL-Taeshan Football League officially known as the Fadron Pizza League
AFFA-Arrozan Football Federal Association

I'll take this opportunity to make a few comments about what I've noticed in World Bowl I.

-- First of all, I am pleased with the response that the competition has gotten. Originally remember, I was going to settle for just 8 teams, and we ended up with 24.

-- About 20 of the 24 teams turned in a roster, which is very good, considering american football rosters are much longer then world football/hockey/or baseball.

-- Satisfied with the level of RP the competition has gotten. Though sometimes, I wish I could have seen some other nations join in. But comparing this thread with the amount of posts in World Cup of Hockey and World Baseball Classic threads, I look at this competition as a success as well. Those where the competitions I was always going to judge this by. Comparing it to the World Cup would have been downright foolish, in every sense of the word.

-- I believe the teams in the semifinals all have very much earned their place. Don't feel like any of them are a fluke.

-- As for the scorination of the games, I believe the process was a success. Given that each game required "two" scorinations, one for TD's and one for FG's, it got me very comfortable in just working with it, in general. It's given me the confidence that I can host the Cup of Harmony now, which triggered my announcement that I will bid (I have a co-host now, btw). I was going to wait a bit to do that, but I think I can handle it now.
Overall on the topic of scorination, I believe that this method worked out just fine. If there is one flaw that I noticed, I would have to say that it cut down on the number of "upsets". If this was a World Cup-based competition, there may have been different results, as when, for example 2-7 Team A upset 8-1 Team B "2-1" in the "TD scorination", Team B usually bounced back in the "FG scorination" by a good enough margin to pull the game out. I don't view this as a big problem, because there still were a handful of upsets during the competition, and one team in particular who had a bit of a magical run given they really didn't have a huge RP bonus going on (Fujisawan Territories). So, in spots, they happened.

-- With all that said, I see no reason why to not have a World Bowl II. It will be back. It will come with ranks instituted. Perhaps we can use this thread now to discuss good ranking systems. I have an idea, but it would be good to see what others might think would be a good system, too. Nothing wrong with getting as much feedback as possible.

-- As for World Bowl II (which I'm thinking July when training camps start), if there is any other nation that wishes to host it, they should feel free to express their interest. I have no problems running it, just want others to know, if they wanted to, this is open to be hosted by other nations.

As for the initial rankings, just go by win-loss record.

Perhaps weighted, too, to account for qualifiers vs. final tournament.

Definately ought to be weighted. Maybe some form of point system.

Good thing is that no one has to worry about ties.

Newmanistan:

So, how exactly are you scorinating? I cant figure out any of this dang stuff. I think that if I could get one that worked, then I could at least run the national league that I've had planned out for a second, and then see where it leads as far as hosting, and things of that ature. (But that's way down the line.)

Newmanistan:

So, how exactly are you scorinating? I cant figure out any of this dang stuff. I think that if I could get one that worked, then I could at least run the national league that I've had planned out for a second, and then see where it leads as far as hosting, and things of that ature. (But that's way down the line.)

From the signup thread (instead of linking, I'm just gonna cut & paste!)

How will results be calculated?
– Through use of the World Cup’s (soccer) scorinator. This scorinator, while, in theory, generating soccer scores (non-Americans forgive my use of the word “soccer” on this thread) can be utilized to generate football scores, since the number of “goals” in an average soccer game is very, very similar to the number of “scoring drives” in football.
– There will be two scorinations per game using the soccer scorinator, one will be used for the number of touchdowns, and the other for number of field goals. The intention of using this scorinator is to use numbers that will determine how many TD’s and FG’s you will get.
Example: First scorination has a score a A 4, B 2. These numbers will be multiplied by SIX (more on extra points/conversions later) to produce a score of A 24, B 12. (For purposes of the example, lets say all extra point attempts were successful to make it A 28, B 14)
The second scorination has a score of B 3, A 1. These numbers will be multiplied by THREE to produce a score of B 9, A 3. It will be added to the TD score, so the final here would be A 31, B 23. Teams can come to the score in their role play however they want though.
--A game requiring OT would be scorinated a third time. If team A “won” by more then “1 goal” in the soccer simulation, they will win by a TD in the game. If it was just by 1, they will win by a FG. If it ends up being a tie, a “second OT” will be processed. (NFL playoff OT format used)

Extra Points/Two Point Conversions– The extra point is a very uneventful part of the NFL as the only time you’ll see one on Sportscenter is when one was botched. Therefore, a complicated formula for one is not necessary. According to a information I retrieved, the historic extra point success rate is 97.5%. Therefore, a random number, 1-100, will be generated per TD. If its 2.5 or above, the extra point will be successful.
– The same concept will be used for determining whether a 2-point conversion will be successful. According to the same source, the historic 2-point conversion success rate is 32%. Therefore, for a team with a “0"style modifier, a random number between 1-100 will be generated, and if its 32 or under, the conversion will be successful. Because offensive teams, in theory, are more likely to convert, I will add/subtract your style modifier to the 32. So if you are a +3, if it is 35 or under, it will be successful. If you are a -5, if you are 27 or under it will be successful.

When to go for two?
– At time of posting a roster, you will provide me with one of four options: always, aggressively, logically, or never.
It will be done as follows:
1) always/never= Self explanatory. You will either always kick an extra point or always go for two, no matter what.
2) aggressively= You will go for two every other TD.
3) logically= Here’s where it gets good. If the end result has you losing by one, and you scored at least one TD with an extra point, you will then have the extra point processed as a 2-point conversion and the shot at getting that additional point. If you lost by two, and you had at least 2 TD’s, you will get 2 cracks at 2-point conversions, and so on.

The deal with style modifiers:
This is where we factor in how offensive or defensively focused your team will be. +5 is the highest offensive setting, and -5 the highest defensive. This is my interpretation of the type of team each modifier number would likely produce:
+5: Your team will have a heavy pass based offense. You’d rather win 56-49 then 14-7.
+4: Still relatively pass based. But a little better defensively.
+3: Offensively focused, but with good run/pass balance.
+2: Offensive mainly focused on the run.
+1: A grind it out, run down the clock, running team.
0: Everything is balanced, but nothing stands out.
-1: Balanced, but with a bit of an edge to the defense.
-2: Defensively responsible, but you can score as well. Pittsburgh Steelers-ish.
-3: Strong defense, with an offense that can have its moments.
-4: Still defensively dominant, but your offense is not quite as lethargic as a -5.
-5: Defensively dominant, but not much offense. The Baltimore Ravens come to mind. You like winning 6-3.

Heh. I meant how the heck does the scorinaor work. I'll rtff.

I'm gonna steal a couple of "placeholders" on the first page of this thread for statistical information. This would be one.

And this would be a second. (stats to come on this and the above post)

A decent ranking system could be done by simply taking the NFL's formula for choosing draft order--champion is ranked first, then loser of championship game, then all playoff teams in order of exit from playoffs, etc., and also using their tiebreakers.

When/if this ever expands to > 32 on a regular basis, perhaps this:
Up to 24 entrants from the prior tournament receive automatic bids. Qualifier rounds are played to determine the last 8 spots, as well as any spots left if fewer than 24 of the prior tournament's entrants wished to return. The returnees who did not receive automatic bids (if any) would be required to proceed through the qualifier stage with everyone else.

The Arrozan Football Federal Association has come to a deal with several holdout teams, and will start a national league as soon as negotiations are finalized with several of the last teams including F.C. Atalanta (translation:as soon as I figure out this damn xml and how to use this damn scorinator I downloaded.)

National Premier League (Major League)
North Island Conference
Atalanta Senators
Black Tide F.C.
Evangeline Seraphs
F.C. Atalanta
Northland Cannons
Nova Lyon Panthers
Resurgens Flames
Way Path Pioneers

South Island Conference
Port Lange Archers
Aransas County Sea Stars
Lake St. Anthony Blues
Pine Forest United
Huracan Tropicals
Port Wentworth Pilots
Big Thicket Cavalry
Biloxoulaport Seabees

THIS post should go in this thread instead: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=422082

The weighted scoring system will be as follows:
0.25 points per group stage win.
0.5 points per playoff win
additional 1.0 point for 3rd place game winning team.
additional 1.0 point for World Bowl Runner up
additional 2.0 points to World Bowl victor

Like in the World Cup, points of the most recent three world bowls are what will take effect in determining your ranking.


If anyone has a problem with this system to determine rankings, or if you think you have a better idea, please speak up now. One of the above posts in which I held as a "placeholder" will be forever hold the up-to-date rankings.

thanks Qazox for that nice little link also if you would you can put stuff in here about leagues and stuff and my opening post shall hold the official list of the Founders of the World Bowl, Former hosts and if we have enough at some point i will institute a WBC(world Bowl comitee)to institute and decide rules and confirm hosts and such.

I would actually prefer seeing new rankings/stats get posted as they happen/get updated. It makes more sense to me to zip to the very end of a thread to get the latest news rather than search for the placeholder somewhere near the beginning.

And if the stupid wiki wasn't down...

The Unaclaimed Newspaper

Commisioner Lledoog Annonces planned Football League 2

Last night in an unsuprising move Comissioner Regor Lledoog of the Fadron Pizza Football League annonced the starting of league 2 of the Fadron
Football Pizza League. The move is after many a critical acount by newspaper writers such as myself. Fadron Pizza the sponsors of the league are rumored to have been looking into the idea.

Earlier today we talked to Fadron Pizzas owner Alex Fader"I'm happy to see we'll finally be able to start the second division"he said"I cant wait for the future more intense battles".

The two leagues will be set up like the post NS country of Englands soccer leagues, with the top team from every division being promoted to there respective parent leagues in league on as the opposite will happen to the worst teams in the top leaguew. There will be another 16 football teams added to the mix. Also Fader said it is possible in the future two have a couple more of these such divisions.

It is rumored that some teams may come from the possible Cities and suburbs. Atlantea may gain its third team besides the Greenville Gators, and the Atlantea Flyers, Yaton may be the most highly anticipated team, Tintown, Fadron 2nd team is possible, Ojian, Meirton, Crashew, and Dodgeville are other cities possible. An official announcement will be made next Wednesday.

And if the stupid wiki wasn't down...

Take a look at my signature...I've started a new one that's becoming more and more popular.

Future availability won't be a problem, either--it's a dedicated coloed box I own that I'm donating specifically for this use.

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As no one raised any objection with the ranking system, here then are the official post World Bowl I rankings with your WB points.

1) Dancougar 6.25
2) Arroza 4.50
3) Qazox 4.25
4) Taeshan 3.25
5) Kura-Pelland 2.75
6) Newmanistan 2.50
7) Pablicosta 1.75
7) Fujisawan Territories 1.75
7) Rennidan 1.75
10) Bluth Corporation 1.50
10) United Hetzel 1.50
12) Kose and the Turkomans 1.25
12) Bettia 1.25
14) Valanora 1.00
14) Shinfundo 1.00
14) Atruria 1.00
14) Vephrall 1.00
18) Unified Capitalizt States 0.75
18) Southamptonshire 0.75
20) Milchama 0.50
20) Swilatia 0.50
22) Holy Marsh 0.25
22) Yafor 2 0.25
22) Sorthern Northland 0.25

There will be a new alignment for the two conference as instead of having two divisions in each. There will just be two conferences playing round robin play home and away against the other teams and crossovers against the other conference.

National Conference

Tintown Tygers
Meirton Minutemen
Crashew Pride
Norton Knights
Yaton Attack
Ojian Blazers
Dodgeville Bulls
Reynea Rats

Taeshan Conference

Blacklake Blue Eagles
Loudon Lochers
Diebert Demons
Loachen Lakeeaters
Atlantea Arrows
Chinchinhua Cheetahs
The Cracken Cool
Ying Jing Yappers


With this new alignment of the leagues there will be only two promotions and demotions a year.

There will be a new alignment for the two conference as instead of having two divisions in each. There will just be two conferences playing round robin play home and away against the other teams and crossovers against the other conference.

National Conference

Tintown Tygers
Meirton Minutemen
Crashew Pride
Norton Knights
Yaton Attack
Ojian Blazers
Dodgeville Bulls
Reynea Rats

Taeshan Conference

Blacklake Blue Eagles
Loudon Lochers
Diebert Demons
Loachen Lakeeaters
Atlantea Arrows
Chinchinhua Cheetahs
The Cracken Cool
Ying Jing Yappers


With this new alignment of the leagues there will be only two promotions and demotions a year.

Taeshan, that post should be here:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=422082

Also, that format looks familiar for some reason ;)

i know the final standings and stuff will be put there. But if you look it up i already have my top tears standings and stuff arroza. Jeese ive been doing this a while longer then you.

i know the final standings and stuff will be put there. But if you look it up i already have my top tears standings and stuff arroza. Jeese ive been doing this a while longer then you.

Ok, I won't try to make any more jokes. I just said that because I got the exact same comment when I posted a domestic league.

i know i know sorry about the showing up kindoff thing

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The intended World Bowl II start remains late July. A sign up thread will likely be made around the 10th of July, as a very rough estimate. Actual start date for WB II will be, with certainty, after the Cup of Harmony if my CoH bid is successful.

Bump. :(

Bump. :(

LOL... I was attempting to bump this thread at the exact same time.... getting to about page 6 I think and wondering. "It can't be back that far!" Only to see you had just bumped it!

bumpage

Isn't it a bit weird having this thread, yet still using the actual World Bowl thread for discussion as well?

Yeah. I guess this is supposed to be the red-headed stepchild to the World Cup Discussion thread. But we haven't really had any thing like hosting concerns or BOF's and things like that yet.

Well it's lasted longer than my failed WWCDT (women's World Cup Disscussion Thread) which had i think 8 posts.

ALSO QAZOX formally submits an application to host World Bowl III.

I... suppose we could always start the usual whinging about randomness in the scorinator?

Well it's lasted longer than my failed WWCDT (women's World Cup Disscussion Thread) which had i think 8 posts.

ALSO QAZOX formally submits an application to host World Bowl III.

If you really want to, I won't compete with your bid.

It's not that I don't want to continue hosting this in the future, I think it would be good to have another nation take a shot to host it.

If you really want to, I won't compete with your bid.

It's not that I don't want to continue hosting this in the future, I think it would be good to have another nation take a shot to host it.

Ok, I was going to try to take a run at WBIII (hence why I was trying to run a domestic league), but I can wait.

Well you two can always compete against each other!

Does this mean we get to make a council to vote? :D

Or of course we could have a dictatorship where one of the proposing hosts just goes ahead and hosts it. I mean dictatorships have never done any harm.... oh wait.

I vote a council of teams who have posted rosters for the last two cups

I vote a council of teams who have posted rosters for the last two cups

If Arroza wants to host WB III, go right ahead (ooc1: I was planning on holding it sometime in October, just after the RL World Series). I'm going to be too busy hosting the next Tour de Qazox (ooc2: Signups are coming soonish for that event)

Brutal Reality of World Bowl Scorination:
Team A wins "TD" scorination, 2-0.
Team B wins "FG" scorination, 5-1.

Team A wins game, 17-15. Other way around and it would have been Team B, 35-17. This is a good example though of where randomness comes into play in this.

Brutal Reality of World Bowl Scorination:
Team A wins "TD" scorination, 2-0.
Team B wins "FG" scorination, 5-1.

Team A wins game, 17-15. Other way around and it would have been Team B, 35-17. This is a good example though of where randomness comes into play in this.

<COUGH> You can just dispense with the "team A/team B" BS, as we all know you rigged it so I would lose :p </COUGH> (in jest!!!!!)

If Arroza wants to host WB III, go right ahead (ooc1: I was planning on holding it sometime in October, just after the RL World Series). I'm going to be too busy hosting the next Tour de Qazox (ooc2: Signups are coming soonish for that event)

Of absolutely no relevance to topic of this thread but, WOOHOO!! :D

And now on topic, if Qazox is doing le Tour around the time the next World Bowl is likely to be then if Arroza is also interested in hosting and is able to then, for me it makes sense to do what Qazox said. Not that any of that last sentence matters, I was just keeping this post a little OT. :P

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Dancougar, did you come up with that 4th & 10 poem on your own in the first Sportsman Erika episode? Because I actually thought that was very, very good!

Yeah, I wrote both the opening and ending themes during some downtime at work.

I totally LOLed at Qazox's reaction... it seems like you can't please all the people all the time, and last night, all those people were in my thread :D

Dancougar, I guessed you watched too much Friday Night Lights?

No, Eyeshield 21 ^_^;

No, Eyeshield 21 ^_^;

I have no Idea what that is... (and welcome to the 1000 post club.. your dues are due on Tuesday.. (Must 100 more posts by then... :p))

Eyeshield 21 is an anime about American football, from which I've borrowed a few ideas <_<; >_>;

The hilarious thing, I've found, is that at the end, the main character turns out to be alternate universe LaDanian Tomlinson. And I really wish I was kidding.

Eyeshield 21 is an anime about American football, from which I've borrowed a few ideas <_<; >_>;

The hilarious thing, I've found, is that at the end, the main character turns out to be alternate universe LaDanian Tomlinson. And I really wish I was kidding.

You can't make stuff like that up.

And besides, as far as Friday Night Lights is concerned (read the book, saw the movie on tv, never saw the series) Permian would never let a girl start at QB ;)

World Bowl II is definitely making up for World Bowl I's lack of last matchday drama! Especially in Group B, but even Group A has become interesting!

Yes, I have a headache after just figuring out all those scenarios.

World Bowl II is definitely making up for World Bowl I's lack of last matchday drama! Especially in Group B, but even Group A has become interesting!

*crosses fingers for the four way tie*

And, gosh, isn't Group C just thrilling?

Who will qualify? NOBODY KNOW--Oh, wait.

It's been... pretty obvious for a while now, hasn't it?

Bugger.

And, gosh, isn't Group C just thrilling?

Heh, at least we know the scorinator is weighting RPs pretty fairly, eh?

Yeah any guesses which nations are #1 and #2 in RP bonus? ;)

But who's 1 and 2?! hmmm I can't tell :)

I'm gonna' jump the gun and say Dancougar is ahead of me RP bonus wise.


But only just.

:P

But only just.

:P

I don't know, yours are certainly more fun to read.

I digress, good sir!

Pretty Sporstman Erika had me cringing and laughing at the cheesiness, and the general fun of the hooligan RPs was great.

Plus I prefer your match reports, which is why I waited for you to do them for both of our matches.

Pretty Sporstman Erika had me cringing and laughing at the cheesiness

Most excellent.

Mission accomplished.

Yeah any guesses which nations are #1 and #2 in RP bonus? ;)

But who's 1 and 2?! hmmm I can't tell :)

#1- Dancougar
#2- Rennidan
#3- QAZOX.

But i'm just spit balling.

Im thinking i got ahead of you Q. But im just spitballing too.^^^

1 point, Dancougar!

ONE POINT!

xD So damn close.

Geeeeez, I might have to play the both of you again, too! I can't keep up this streak of lucky wins by field goals forever!!

Yay for being in the other half of the draw.

Yay for being in the other half of the draw.

Why you cheering? You gotta try to beat me in the semifinals.. if you make it. Good Luck :p

Why you cheering? You gotta try to beat me in the semifinals.. if you make it. Good Luck :p

Did it in World Bowl 1. I'm sure history repeats itself. :p

Did it in World Bowl 1. I'm sure history repeats itself. :p

You bribed the referees, :eek: this time I did.. lol:p

You bribed the referees, :eek: this time I did.. lol:p

lol, whut?

And of course today is the day that I get super hungover and demotivated t write...and tomorrow's court if I live that long. great timing is great...

Both Semi-Finals won by 3 points?

Waaay too close. xD

Unlucky Arroza and Dancougar.

And I'd hate to think the amount of money people are making from the bets on Qazox's odds.

Ah, so close.

I know what it was. I didn't post enough demotivators, and I won't get started on the absolute lack of Erika love around here ^_^

I loved Erika!

And I think my counter to your demotivator is what clinched it for the Brutes. xD

Erm, thanks for not RPing Arroza?

Congratulations Rennidan on winning the World Bowl.

I've won the World Bowl? D:

Thought we still had two days to go and, y'know, a game to play, Kura? xD

And I think my counter to your demotivator is what clinched it for the Brutes. xD

I certainly LOLed.

Now I need a counter-counter-demotivator for third!

Both Semi-Finals won by 3 points?

Waaay too close. xD

Unlucky Arroza and Dancougar.

And I'd hate to think the amount of money people are making from the bets on Qazox's odds.

Thankfully, It's IC money, not RL money :cool:

I just got back from the Casino in Tunica. What did I miss?

Edit. Aww, crap.

Haha, yeah. Lovley suprise for you to come back to, eh Arroza?


Anyway, good luck Kura for today.

May the better team destroy the other! xD


And now, I'm off to the hospital for some stuff to be done to my ankle.

And now, I'm off to the hospital for some stuff to be done to my ankle.

Pat McGraw is most disappointed in you :-P

Congrats on the title!

WAHEY!

Now, roll on the next one so I can win it again!


And again, and again, and again....

Well done Newmanistan for hosting.

Congratualtions to Rennidan for winning, and to those whom participated.

Non-Confirmed Post World Bowl 2 Rankings...the formula was followed, but feel free to check my work.

Ranking Teams World Bowl 2 Points World Bowl 1 Points Total Ranking Pts.

1 1) Dancougar 4.25 6.25 7.375
2 7) Rennidan 5.75 1.75 6.625
3 5) Kura-Pelland 3.75 2.75 5.125
4 2) Arroza 2.5 4.5 4.75
5 3) Qazox 2 4.25 4.125
6 4) Taeshan 1.5 3.25 3.125
7 6) Newmanistan 1.5 2.5 2.75
8 10) Bluth Corporation 1.75 1.5 2.5
9 12) Bettia 1.5 1.25 2.125
10 20) Milchama 1.75 0.5 2
11 22) Sorthern Northland 1.25 0.25 1.375
12 18) Unified Capitalizt. 0.75 0.75 1.125
13 Secristan 1 0 1
14 7) Pablicosta 0 1.75 0.875
15 7) Fujisawan Territories 0 1.75 0.875
16 10) United Hetzel 0 1.5 0.75
17 20) Swilatia 0.5 0.5 0.75
18 12) Kose and the Turk. 0 1.25 0.625
19 14) Valanora 0 1 0.5
20 14) Shinfundo 0 1 0.5
21 14) Atruria 0 1 0.5
22 14) Vephrall 0 1 0.5
23 Lovisa 0.5 0 0.5
24 18) Southamptonshire 0 0.75 0.375
25 Kenavt 0.25 0 0.25
26 Kosovoe 0.25 0 0.25
27 22) Holy Marsh 0 0.25 0.125
28 22) Yafor 2 0 0.25 0.125
29 Am3ricans 0 0 0


If you see a parentheses by your name, that was your ranking previous to World Bowl 1.

Excel Version. (http://savefile.com/files/1729393)

Thanks for figuring out the rankings. Though I'm going to give Am3ricans a 0.1 just to show his participation should he actually find his way back to the forum.

Did you still want to host World Bowl III?

Moved up 2 spots...hopefully next time I'll be able to RP all the way through.

Overtaken 5 teams in one season in the overall rankings?

Just goes to show RP works.

Oh, and Dancougar?

I'm coming for you next Bowl, buddy.

Thanks for figuring out the rankings. Though I'm going to give Am3ricans a 0.1 just to show his participation should he actually find his way back to the forum.

Did you still want to host World Bowl III?

Yes, but if I was to do so, I wouldn't want to start registration until after week 1/2 of the NFL season (Early September).
Does anyone else want it? Do we have some form of voting committee?

Overtaken 5 teams in one season in the overall rankings?

Just goes to show RP works.

Oh, and Dancougar?

I'm coming for you next Bowl, buddy.

Milchama and Sorthern Northland were the real winners, both jumping at least 10 spots.

Do we have some form of voting committee


I think it would definetely be worthwhile getting a voting committe, or World Bowl Council, together now, considering, in the future, more people will probably want to host the Bowl, and we'd be needing to get the committee together there and then.

I mean, yeah, at the moment it looks like it'll just be you going for the hosting, Arroza (and I'm fine with whenever you wanna' host it), but I'm just looking at what we might be needing later on.

Oh, and Dancougar?

I'm coming for you next Bowl, buddy.

I'm going to have to find more memes!!

I think it would definetely be worthwhile getting a voting committe, or World Bowl Council, together now, considering, in the future, more people will probably want to host the Bowl, and we'd be needing to get the committee together there and then.

I mean, yeah, at the moment it looks like it'll just be you going for the hosting, Arroza (and I'm fine with whenever you wanna' host it), but I'm just looking at what we might be needing later on.

Well luckily for a lot of the ideas we can just steal them wholesale from the World Cup and cut them to size. (like this thread!)

In that case, someone familiar with how that works should probably tell us how it's done.

Milchama and Sorthern Northland were the real winners, both jumping at least 10 spots.

We won something!? :eek:

Where's my prize? ;) :p

um if you post a roster in the last two world cups youre on the Comitee. Thats pretty much how its done.^^

Well luckily for a lot of the ideas we can just steal them wholesale from the World Cup and cut them to size. (like this thread!)

In that case, someone familiar with how that works should probably tell us how it's done.

Like Taeshan said, sorta. In the WC, it's the last 3 WC's. But since we've had two, then I'd suggest we'd either wait until after WB3 OR Count the GridIron Championships in the mix, and ANY TEAM that participated (meaning posted a roster and had at least 3 RP's or had 4 RP's and no roster) is on the council.

Some time soonish, i'm going to wikify (i'm begging dictionaries to put that word in the next editions) these last 2 World Bowls and the GridIron Championship (yes so Taeshan's lone World championship will be immortialized, as long as the internet exists). Just got done doing the WBC's and the WC of Hockey (which might start soon) and my TOUR de Qazox and like 5 other damn things. So i'm suffering wiki-burnout (another new word for the dictionaries).

It couldn't hurt to have a committee. It'd be best to have a committee that didn't need to do anything then not to have a committee when something important needed to be done. Since it's been a start up competition, right now, my recommendation is that everyone who signed up for WB I & II is automatically part of the committee, whether they posted a roster in each or not. Then from that point, we do it as the World Cup does it, where you have to have had posted a roster in the previous two cups.

I think mid/late September is a good starting point for World Bowl III, as at that point, World Cup Qualifying is probably over (or getting there). A sign up thread could be started about a week into the month, perhaps. If anyone else wished to have a competing bid against Arroza for World Bowl III, I don't want them to think that they cannot do that. I am not going to bid because I want to focus on winning this as opposed to hosting it for one tournament, or more.

Qazox, thanks for your intention to eventually Wiki the World Bowls, can't wait to see them! I took a stab at it a couple weeks ago and couldn't figure it out, but then again I didn't probably read every possible help menu.

yeah and with those help things it says to go to the whatever and ask people for help. My computer doesnt do that.^^

Is this GridIron Championship thing something like what I've been having ideas of doing?

I.E Each nation enters a certain amount of domestic teams, all the domestic teams are scrambled and put into divisions, and then they play for, well, a championship game, really.

I was kind of thinking that the divisions get set in stone, so each championship the same teams are playing, ala real NFL.



But on the other not, World Bowl Comittee! And I get to be a part of it! WOO!

no the Gridiron Championships was the predescessor to the World Bowl but you could do the domestic teams. How bout 5 per nation.(or 20 you could just do my league for me. HA HA)

I think it'd be worthwhile first seeing how many nations would want to throw themselves into it before picking the number of teams each should enter.

But I'll get to work thinking about it and planning it, making logos and a whole in depth 500 page history. ;D



Edit: And any ideas for a name for such a contest?

Mega Bowl, Elite Bowl, SuperDuper Divisional Contest of Gridiron, etc etc?

We wouldn't...over the last few weeks I've been working out a system to run my domestic league for me, which would include statistics tracking so as to automatically select my national team whenever it is needed.

Once that's up I plan on keeping my domestic league purely domestic, with the only international competition being my national team.

you wouldnt compete im guessing.^^

Yeah, that's pretty much what I said :D

There aren't many of us who have domestic leagues, so something smaller like a SuperLiga might work best. I personally don't foresee getting away from the amateur team with randomly generated names that cycles itself every few years, since my soccer leagues take up all my time ^_^

Bumpage

Well, the World Bowl is back, so I guess it's only right we bring this thread back around for use, rather than cluttering the RP thread with OOCSpammage, eh?

Well, the World Bowl is back, so I guess it's only right we bring this thread back around for use, rather than cluttering the RP thread with OOCSpammage, eh?

Since the World Bowl is like 13th on the list of priorities in the NSUniverse: (see attached list) it don't matter that much. :


Football(Soccer)
WCDT2 blithering
Cup of Harmony
Baptism of Fire
Oxen Cup
Oriental Cup
the U-21 Cup
Tour de Qazox
World Cup of Hockey
World Baseball Classic
Olympics (either one)
Cricket World Cup
WORLD BOWL
World Basketball Championships

Since the World Bowl is like 13th on the list of priorities in the NSUniverse: (see attached list) it don't matter that much. :


Football(Soccer)
WCDT2 blithering
Cup of Harmony
Baptism of Fire
Oxen Cup
Oriental Cup
the U-21 Cup
Tour de Qazox
World Cup of Hockey
World Baseball Classic
Olympics (either one)
Cricket World Cup
WORLD BOWL
World Basketball Championships


I've got to think that we're above cricket.

I've got to think that we're above cricket.

I don't know, cricket is totally hardcore. I mean... they had to, like, ban throwing at dudes' heads.

um im sorry to say this but the oriental cup is at the bottom. Youve got to hand in to Dae for persistent but its not that high up, and the WBC is way higher then some of those id say 4th above BoF.

Since the World Bowl is like 13th on the list of priorities in the NSUniverse: (see attached list) it don't matter that much. :


Football(Soccer)
WCDT2 blithering
Cup of Harmony
Baptism of Fire
Oxen Cup
Oriental Cup
the U-21 Cup
Tour de Qazox
World Cup of Hockey
World Baseball Classic
Olympics (either one)
Cricket World Cup
WORLD BOWL
World Basketball Championships


Thank you for the official indisputable list. World Bowl is not down that low.

My rank would be:
1) World Cup (qualifying, cup proper, and discussion thread bickering)
2) Cup of Harmony
3) Baptism of Fire
4) Di Bradini Cup
5) Oxen Cup
6) World Baseball Classic
7) World Cup of Hockey
8) World Bowl
9) Tour de Qazox (sorry, just don't see the same numbers you do, maybe it was bigger in the past.)
10) International Basketball Championships (numbers up this year, good sign)
11) Olympics (Due to their infrequency)
12) Oriental Cup (Last one I looked at I think there were like 4 or 6 participating nations... his restrictions of entry keep it low on list)
13) World Lacrosse Championships (at least it got played out, #2 possible)
14) Cricket? (Have not seen it played here yet, "interest thread" only up to 6.

I agree with some changes WBC, and Wcoh should be ahead of the oxen cup because they've been a little more competitive(everone rps almost for the WBC, and Wcoh usually has the 2nd highest numbs behind WC)

Thank you for the official indisputable list. World Bowl is not down that low.

My rank would be:
1) World Cup (qualifying, cup proper, and discussion thread bickering)
2) Cup of Harmony
3) Baptism of Fire
4) Di Bradini Cup
5) Oxen Cup
6) World Baseball Classic
7) World Cup of Hockey
8) World Bowl
9) Tour de Qazox (sorry, just don't see the same numbers you do, maybe it was bigger in the past.)
10) International Basketball Championships (numbers up this year, good sign)
11) Olympics (Due to their infrequency)
12) Oriental Cup (Last one I looked at I think there were like 4 or 6 participating nations... his restrictions of entry keep it low on list)
13) World Lacrosse Championships (at least it got played out, #2 possible)
14) Cricket? (Have not seen it played here yet, "interest thread" only up to 6.


The TdQ has had at least 12 competitiors, 1/2 of which are repeaters every edition! The World Bowl just isn't in the same class yet (not until it's had about 5 or 6 competitions) If I listed it, the Women's World Cup back in it's hayday would have been #3 (behind the CoH, but ahead of the BoF).

And as for the Oxen Cup, It's currently the 4th longest active soccer tourney in the NSUniverse. that's why it's higher than Han's tourney and the new U-21 Cup.

Arroza, on the first page when I click my nation name to get my roster, I get the schedule for Group 3. (I didn't check any others) Also be sure to link the rosters of the nations that posted them after your original linking.

The TdQ has had at least 12 competitiors ... (snip)

Ok! You were just going more on a historic basis and I was looking more at the present scene, that'd explain the differences.

Arroza, on the first page when I click my nation name to get my roster, I get the schedule for Group 3. (I didn't check any others) Also be sure to link the rosters of the nations that posted them after your original linking.

Fixed. And the only nations that posted a roster and hadn't been linked to were Secristan, I believe and Arro...it's fixed, okay.

A 0-3 win in overtime?

Jehesus, I know I'm -5 and Secristan is a -4, but I've never been in a match that close.

A 0-3 win in overtime?

Jehesus, I know I'm -5 and Secristan is a -4, but I've never been in a match that close.

There was that Monday night game last year where Pittsburgh beat Miami 3-0 because Heinz Field turned into a giant mush pit. I LOLed.

There was that Monday night game last year where Pittsburgh beat Miami 3-0 because Heinz Field turned into a giant mush pit. I LOLed.

Yeah, but this game was inside, sort of. And there wasn't any dirt to be turned into a mush pit. :p

If that was what a -5 vs -4 looks like... what happens when Rennidan and I play each other

If that was what a -5 vs -4 looks like... what happens when Rennidan and I play each other

Quadruple OT?

I swear if I have to scorinate the game 5 times, I'm docking everyone involved.

Quadruple OT?

I swear if I have to scorinate the game 5 times, I'm docking everyone involved.

You could just let them tie and watch us all freak out when we try to broadcast who beats who in the final table.

Also, motion to change the definition of -5 from "You like winning 6-3." to "You like winning 3-0 in overtime. At home." :-D

Also, motion to change the definition of -5 from "You like winning 6-3." to "You like winning 3-0 in overtime. At home." :-D

Just because your score differential after 2 is probably higher that what they'll get all through qualifying doesn't really mean you can snap like that.

Motion seconded, though. :p

How about we just change -5 to 'The Rennidan Tactic? :D

Just because your score differential after 2 is probably higher that what they'll get all through qualifying doesn't really mean you can snap like that.

I'm just as surprised by the point windfall. Here's to you and New dragging me back down to earth!

I have to give Dancougar a big shout out for continuing to make RPs which amuse me, even if I'm not in their group anymore.

Rennidan Hangover? Powis vs a Bear?

Awesome stuff.

* Am I the only one who would bid muchas rusas to see Owen Powis wrestle one of Myedvedeya's bears?

50 Baht on Powis.

I'm beginning to think that going with a -5 modifier was a bad idea.

I'm beginning to think that going with a -5 modifier was a bad idea.

Yeah. Not really sure what you were thinking with that one, but it's all a luck game, I'm sure you'll pull it together.

Hey Arroza, I cleaned up the Standings for you.

Awh man, two losses in a row for the Brutes?

A 65-0 win from Dancougar (who are a -2 team?!)!

What the hell is happening?! xD

Awh man, two losses in a row for the Brutes?

A 65-0 win from Dancougar (who are a -2 team?!)!

What the hell is happening?! xD

-5 means any lucky shot's probably the game winner.

As for Dancougar, I have no damn idea either. It might help that they were playing a team that never posted a roster or a rp...Actually they've been scoring a lot for a -2. I think that's more a function of rank than any form of oddity.

So if I change to -2, I'll start whooping ass? :P I'll remember that for next World Bowl.

And I never remember -5 being such a lucky shot system in the last World Bowl. It worked relatively well last time. xD

Sweet mother of all that is Margaret. On the road, too?! I was wondering about that myself, but my horrible secret is out. Will Moohim is actually the Old Ball Coach, and I've been running Fun and Gun while reporting some nonsense about runningbacks.

"Today, the Black Wings brought in Peyton Manning on loan to increase their offensive efficiency, although analysts contribute their blowout win to shooting everyone on the opposing defense."

-5 is making me happy... 3-2 for a 1st time team, including an away win at rennidan seems good to me

Ah, what? I thought today was a break day! I was going to RP some more for, what I thought would be, tomorrows match. =/

Great.

Important Announcement:

I screwed up and ran matchday 6 when it should have been a break day.

Now people have already RP'ed matchday 6, so it's not really fair to undo the results of the matchday, that would be unfair to those who are paying attention and rolled with the punches.

So, therefore the mid-table break will be moved to between games 6 and 7 (TODAY). Normal simulation/scoring will resume Monday 2000 CDT. (GMT-6)

Thank you. Please forgive me.

Well, I think at the stage we're at, it'd just be safer to keep scorinating daily, instead of introducing a break at a different stage.


Edit: Annnd you edit your post just as I'm posting.

Fair enough then, man. You're the host, I'll happilly roll along with whatever you decide.

Good night for an off night, too.

Our last game playoff scenario is so close to just how it was after World Bowl II. Needing to beat Milchama on the last day. Glad the cheerleaders are doing well, we may need to do this in all sports!

Qazox, since you always had the casino posts, what are the odds on Arroza NOT making the finals? Considering our combined 1-6 record against Kura-Pelland and Dancougar, it'd be a good bet.

We may have lost here but there was some good football news last night.....
Eagles 15, Steelers 6! Woohoo! ;)

We may have lost here but there was some good football news last night.....
Eagles 15, Steelers 6! Woohoo! ;)

Yeeeeeeeeah, that was really bad. At one point I found myself looking for something else to watch aside from Ben getting destroyed, and I realized... "What the... I would rather watch Wigan at Spurs?!"

Yeeeeeeeeah, that was really bad. At one point I found myself looking for something else to watch aside from Ben getting destroyed, and I realized... "What the... I would rather watch Wigan at Spurs?!"

I don't even know how to respond to that. I mean Wigan? Really?
I wouldn't have minded watching the Falcon game twice though, it was excellent.

I'm going to over the next week or so (depending on the amount of time I have to do so) Wikify (remember, I coined that term, come up with your own) All 4 Gridiron (American) Football World Championships/World bowls. So be patient.

And yes, somewhat it has to do with me winning one, but it's not the only reason.

As for World Bowl 4, It SHOULDN'T start until mid-October at the earliest. Give us a breather, etc.

Congrats, Qazox on the championship!

For World Bowl 4, I'm thinking that an early-mid November start might be good (and I'm not just saying this because it would line up perfectly with my vacation that month to be able to host it again!) World Cup 43 qualifications will be probably be around their end by then.

I'm going to over the next week or so (depending on the amount of time I have to do so) Wikify (remember, I coined that term, come up with your own) All 4 Gridiron (American) Football World Championships/World bowls. So be patient.

And yes, somewhat it has to do with me winning one, but it's not the only reason.

As for World Bowl 4, It SHOULDN'T start until mid-October at the earliest. Give us a breather, etc.

wikistates or nswiki? WBIII needs some prettying up, but it's been NS Wikinated.

wikistates or nswiki? WBIII needs some prettying up, but it's been NS Wikinated.

It's a good start, but I'll clean it up.

It's a good start, but I'll clean it up.

Thanks, I can't do anything on wiki sites except the basics.

Just type in World Bowl on Wikistates or click here (http://wikistates.outwardhosting.com/wiki/World Bowl) for the World Bowl NSwiki.

(Only the 1st, the Gridiron World Championships, ie: World Bowl 0 is done. The others are forth coming)

Just type in World Bowl on Wikistates or click here (http://wikistates.outwardhosting.com/wiki/World Bowl) for the World Bowl NSwiki.

(Only the 1st, the Gridiron World Championships, ie: World Bowl 0 is done. The others are forth coming)

The group stuff from World Bowl I/III was up, linked to it from the World Bowl Page. Also linked from the main page to the WBIII page (Wikistates).

Also, I thought we were using Roman numerals, so anything I did for the first World Bowl was under World Bowl I, second II, III, etc...

The group stuff from World Bowl I/III was up, linked to it from the World Bowl Page. Also linked from the main page to the WBIII page (Wikistates).

Also, I thought we were using Roman numerals, so anything I did for the first World Bowl was under World Bowl I, second II, III, etc...

Yeah, but on the NavBox, you can't have Roman numerals.

And World Bowl I is STILL World Bowl 1, etc. Just the Gridiron World Championships is listed as World Bowl 0.

OOOOOkay.

1st off: Newmanistan did a decent job overall, but needs to learn how to add. 16 team either had the wrong PF or PA. (they are fixed on the WikiStates page).
2nd off: Group 3 was messed up VERY BADLY. United Hetzel and Atruria, as well as Milchama and Kura-Pelland, each played each other 4 times!! (but even if the scores were switched around to the correct match-ups for those days, the end results are the same, so not a HUGE screw-up, except for possible PF/PA/PD calculations)
3rd off: World Bowl 1 is done. hopefully WB2 and WB3 will NOT be as tough to accomplish. (took me 1hr and 40 min to double check EVERYTHING!)


And 4thly: QAZOX bids to host World Bowl 4, (which will take place around the end of October, if i'm voted host.)

OOOOOkay.

1st off: Newmanistan did a decent job overall, but needs to learn how to add. 16 team either had the wrong PF or PA. (they are fixed on the WikiStates page).

16 teams? Really? Not saying your wrong but.... I find this number hard to believe. If true, then certainly I need to re-evaluate how I went about double-checking this. Based on the next section, did you factor in the corrections (replays?) to the games below?

2nd off: Group 3 was messed up VERY BADLY. United Hetzel and Atruria, as well as Milchama and Kura-Pelland, each played each other 4 times!! (but even if the scores were switched around to the correct match-ups for those days, the end results are the same, so not a HUGE screw-up, except for possible PF/PA/PD calculations)

This was noticed during the competition and rectified during the competition.

And 4thly: QAZOX bids to host World Bowl 4, (which will take place around the end of October, if i'm voted host.)

I look forward to critiquing it. ;)

16 teams? Really? Not saying your wrong but.... I find this number hard to believe. If true, then certainly I need to re-evaluate how I went about double-checking this. Based on the next section, did you factor in the corrections (replays?) to the games below?



This was noticed during the competition and rectified during the competition.



I look forward to critiquing it. ;)

Um, according to the World Bowl 1 results thread, there was no rectification about the group 3 matchups (trust me I re-read them last night, TWICE.) The scores are still listed as those 4 teams playing each other 4 times.

AS for the 16 teams that were messed up, I may have stretched the truth a bit (and apologize for that, i was counting Arroza's point Differential Mistakes):
Qazox: Wrong PA (Group 1)
Arroza: Wrong PA (Group 2)
Valanora: Wrong PF (group 2)
GROUP 3:
Dancougar: Wrong PF and Wrong PA
Kura-Pelland: Wrong PF and Wrong PA
United Hetzel: Wrong PF and Wrong PA
Atruria: Wrong PF and Wrong PA
Milchama: Wrong PF and Wrong PA
Bluth Corporation: Wrong PF
Bettia: Wrong PF and Wrong PA

Newmanistan, I'm NOT trying to tick ya off. For your 1st hosting job, you did good. I was just pointing out the mistakes (which creep in to any event), as a learning experience. If you were offended by it, I apologize once again. (and ANY critique of any event I host is welcome.)

Forgot this: I left the scores, results and statistics as is from Group 3. (meaning as far as I am concerned, the PF/PA/PD on the wiki is correct and "official".)

So... when does IV start?

Um, according to the World Bowl 1 results thread, there was no rectification about the group 3 matchups (


Post #171


Newmanistan, I'm NOT trying to tick ya off. For your 1st hosting job, you did good. I was just pointing out the mistakes (which creep in to any event), as a learning experience. If you were offended by it, I apologize once again. (and ANY critique of any event I host is welcome.)

No... was not offended, but there's a big difference between 5 teams being wrong (since the four Group 3 teams were accounted for) and 16. Wasn't ticked off... but I did feel "thrown under the bus" a little. Apology accepted, I knew you weren't meaning to pick an argument. I don't mind the criticism, I guess I was more annoyed that this came four months after the fact instead of immediately.

So... when does IV start?

Some time in October, most likely.

Post #171

No... was not offended, but there's a big difference between 5 teams being wrong (since the four Group 3 teams were accounted for) and 16. Wasn't ticked off... but I did feel "thrown under the bus" a little. Apology accepted, I knew you weren't meaning to pick an argument. I don't mind the criticism, I guess I was more annoyed that this came four months after the fact instead of immediately.

Ok, let me see: (Ok I stand corrected)

FIXED. WORLD BOWL I wiki is officially completed... On to WBII.

Well good News!

World Bowl II: Very few errors (all had to Do with PD)

Also: on the Group B tiebreaker, Bettia was 3-1 (not 2-2) and Bettia-Milchama didn't need to be tiebroken again. (3-1 is better than 2-2 thus the 2nd tiebreaker was unnecessary).

World Bowl 2 is done. WBIII tommorrow.

OOOOK.

WBIII Critque: Positives: 1- no repeats within a group, and the listed PD for each team added up correctly, (but...)

Negatives: None of the group total PD's add up correctly (meaning PF/PA errors), very inconsistant scoring (group A: 36.2 PPG, Group B: 29.3, Group C:17.6) WAY TOO much variance, BUT that might have to do with #'s of (-5's) in the group. Tiebreakers were not given in the thread (but I assumed the Normal ones we used in the past.)

JUST FOR FUTURE REFERENCE (for those who haven't hosted b4, but would like to possibly):
A: Double-Check your scheduling.
B: Double-Check your tiebreakers (every matchday)
C: Double-Check your MATH! (every matchday; VERY, VERY IMPORTANT, Use pen and paper on the side if you have to.)
D: Ask for help if you need it!
E: Remember, even though this is for fun, If you don't take hosting seriously, then they won't take you seriously.

(Arroza, I did it to New, only fair I do it to you too.)

PF/PA/PD mistakes:
GROUP 1:
Dancougar- PF/PD (added 2).
Arroza- PA/PD (forgot to add in one of the three 3 points allowed).
Newmanistan- PF/PD (added 2).
kenavt- PF/PA/PD (added 2pts on each).

GROUP 2:
Kura-Pelland- you forgot to add in their final game results [W35-10].
Bluth Corporation- PF/PD (off by 3 points).

GROUP 3:
Milchama- you forgot to add in their final game results [W 6-3].
Secristan- you forgot to add in their final game results [L 3-6].
Myedvedeva- you forgot to add in their final game results [L 3-24].
The Valerian Empire- PA/PD (somehow added 10 points)

GOOD news!

I saved a bunch of money by switching my car insurance over to GEICO! ;)

Wait that's not right....:confused:

OH!
World Bowls 1-3 and the Gridiron World Championships have been wikified! :hail::hail:

Wow. Paper copies of mathmaticals, and constant tie-checks. Doable by the time World Bowl 7 or 8 rolls around.

Wow. Paper copies of mathmaticals, and constant tie-checks. Doable by the time World Bowl 7 or 8 rolls around.

That;s why I'VE had only about 2 errors COMBINED in all the events I've hosted. (which is about 17 or so.)

World Bowl II: Very few errors (all had to Do with PD)


You're free to critique, but please no exaggerations if you will. To me that's when you go from being helpful to being annoying. :p I just went back and checked all PD's with World Bowl II, and there was one error. ONE. With last place Kosovoe that was more a case of me not entering it into the post properly (had the proper number in excel). You were right with the Bettia tiebreaker, though.

For World Bowl I, you included Arroza's errors as my errors, which is unfair to me. My World Bowl I spreadsheet is no longer because it was on my old computer that is no longer and it wasn't one of the files I felt I had to transfer over so I can't double check it.

Over the last few days, I too have been looking at old threads as part of my project with the Newmanistan soccer team which is going to be big (in my opinion) when complete. You did make an error in Oxen Cup 6. *cough*. Though you fixed it the next day so I can't get on you for that. lol

It's all good, I appreciate the help. You've apologized, I've accepted and I apologize for my errors in the competitions. Though I can't wait for Oxen Cup 8 and World Bowl 4 so I can be all over every PF/PA/PD number. :p

You're free to critique, but please no exaggerations if you will. To me that's when you go from being helpful to being annoying. :p I just went back and checked all PD's with World Bowl II, and there was one error. ONE. With last place Kosovoe that was more a case of me not entering it into the post properly (had the proper number in excel). You were right with the Bettia tiebreaker, though.

For World Bowl I, you included Arroza's errors as my errors, which is unfair to me. My World Bowl I spreadsheet is no longer because it was on my old computer that is no longer and it wasn't one of the files I felt I had to transfer over so I can't double check it.

Over the last few days, I too have been looking at old threads as part of my project with the Newmanistan soccer team which is going to be big (in my opinion) when complete. You did make an error in Oxen Cup 6. *cough*. Though you fixed it the next day so I can't get on you for that. lol

It's all good, I appreciate the help. You've apologized, I've accepted and I apologize for my errors in the competitions. Though I can't wait for Oxen Cup 8 and World Bowl 4 so I can be all over every PF/PA/PD number. :p

Be my guest :rolleyes:

bumpage

World Bowl 4 RP/Roster/Scores thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=572474) is up.

Resurrected from the ashes to get ready for some football!

Also this Charity Cup's turning out some premier matches, eh?
Edit: At least we don't have to play Rennidan on concrete.

Turf: Uh, well, technically, it's cement. So we'll treat it as field turf for the sakes of scorination, eh?

You were saying, Arroza?

You were saying, Arroza?

I'm pretty sure all these games are in Tundra Falls, so therefore, no concrete.

Aah, you were referring to the Charity Bowl. I thought you were just making a general statement about Qazox implementing the turfing system.

The name of Sarzonia's league is the Incorporated Gridball League.

Aah, you were referring to the Charity Bowl. I thought you were just making a general statement about Qazox implementing the turfing system.

Nope, just the charity run. And from the looks of it, unless we somehow still only have 4 groups [which I doubt with the sheer amount of sign ups] we should both be one seeds and there still won't be any nasty concrete-related injuries in Arroza's future.

Not a single Taeshani team member on the rennidan dream team. Oh im so ashamed. Gabe Martin didnt even make it as QB.

What can I say? I guess we're still sore after you knocked us out last World Bowl. :P

Hey guess what. My high schools football team(the Garden Spot Spartans if you dont know) just defeated the 2 seed(were the 10) 20-0. And it wasnt even an upset. That 2 would be Greencastle- Antrim at 10-2 know. We know play A TEAM IN THE HISTORY OF THE TWO SCHOOLS WHO MAY HAVE SCORED A 3 POINTS A GAME AVERAGE AGAINST OUR 40. bUT THERE THE 3 SEED. aWESOME. sO COOL.

World Bowl 4 RP/Roster/Scores thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=572474) is up.

Quick question because my memory isn't that good on this thread and I can't be bothered to search for it, but do we play overtime in the group stage?

Quick question because my memory isn't that good on this thread and I can't be bothered to search for it, but do we play overtime in the group stage?

Yes there is OT, but I'm allowing for Ties in the Group stage only this World Bowl.

Well, there was a game that went to overtime on matchday 1. So I'm guessing we're probably using NFL rules here (if still tied after one overtime, it remains a tie).

But hey, don't sweat it. As we've seen recently, even real NFL players aren't entirely sure how it works. :p

From World Bowl IV Thread:
(ooc: Yes. The rematch on MD 7 will be reversed to compensate. (LOL New, guess I'm human after all))


I need to be the one who catches you though! ;)
Seeing how this is quite an involved tournament to host now? :D

I wonder if there's another tie, someone would RP about their QB not nowing there was ties allowed this WB, like Monivan DcNabb didn't.

From World Bowl IV Thread:


I need to be the one who catches you though! ;)
Seeing how this is quite an involved tournament to host now? :D

Yes... but Overall, it was a very small mistake, and easily corrected, unlike messed up Points Differentials, points scored, etc. I make one of those mistakes, then you can call shenanigans on me.

I know, just like the incorrect winning percentage for us and Nethertopia right now are. ;)

I know, just like the incorrect winning percentage for us and Nethertopia right now are. ;)

I felt sorry for ya, and let ya have a freebie. :p ;).

I wonder if there's another tie, someone would RP about their QB not nowing there was ties allowed this WB, like Monivan DcNabb didn't.

Remember several years ago when everyone was jumping down Rush Limbaugh's throat because he called McNabb an idiot?

And now this happens...

Anyway...I resurrected my nation too late to participate in this World Bowl, but I will be participating in the next one. In the meantime, I'd like to put together and keep track of Elo ratings for all the national football teams. Doing this would require a record of every game ever played. It'll be fairly easy to find the World Bowl threads, but if anyone can point me to any threads for non-World Bowl international games they may have participated in, I'd be much obliged.

I intend to keep three sets of ratings: one all-time, one spanning the time since three World Bowls ago, and one spanning the time since five World Bowls ago.

I know, just like the incorrect winning percentage for us and Nethertopia right now are. ;)

Eh?

Eh?

It was since fixed.

Haven't been following the discussion at all, to be honest. I just saw Nethertopia in a flash and had to react ;)

Stupid Eagles. At least my team new what a tie was

I intend to keep three sets of ratings: one all-time, one spanning the time since three World Bowls ago, and one spanning the time since five World Bowls ago.

Other than in the World Bowl threads, there isn't too many international football/gridiron friendlies.

And yes Elo ratings would be good. (It would provide an alternate ranking system, independent of any single tourney's results)

MATCHDAY THREE SCORES

Arroza 4-0-0 1.000 107 53 +54


Is this is matchday 3, why have we all played 4 games. :)

Maybe I'm being thick, but I don't understand La Habana Cuba (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14232721&postcount=121)'s latest RP. :S

Maybe I'm being thick, but I don't understand La Habana Cuba (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14232721&postcount=121)'s latest RP. :S

I think that they think this this is a judged activity like the olympics? Maybe they're looking for the russian judge?

I've got the current Elo rankings (as of the conclusion of WBIII) calculated and up, both for all-time and over just the last 3 World Bowls.

You can see them at http://wikistates.outwardhosting.com/wiki/International_Football_Elo_Rankings

You can also view the Elo Rankings as they were at the conclusion of prior World Bowls at each World Bowl's individual wiki entry.

Quick question for Qaz, is there an off day after tonight's MD5, or do we jump right into the second half tomorrow night?

I think that they think this this is a judged activity like the olympics? Maybe they're looking for the russian judge?

In Soviet Dancougar, rankings roleplay you?

I've got the current Elo rankings (as of the conclusion of WBIII) calculated and up, both for all-time and over just the last 3 World Bowls.

You can see them at http://wikistates.outwardhosting.com/wiki/International_Football_Elo_Rankings

You can also view the Elo Rankings as they were at the conclusion of prior World Bowls at each World Bowl's individual wiki entry.

Nice! Just to satisfy my engineer's curiosity, could you wikify the formula, e.g. how much weight is assigned to qualification, tournament, friendlies etc., and how the margin-of-victory is factored in?

Yes. I was also wondering if an ELO system doesn't penalize new teans unfairly, as seen by Secristan's 37th overall/22nd over the last 3 rating.

I'vr got Secristan 11th and Myedvedeva 13th in my World Cup Clone rankings.

Yes. I was also wondering if an ELO system doesn't penalize new teans unfairly, as seen by Secristan's 37th overall/22nd over the last 3 rating.

Yeah, in chess at least, an ELO system takes somewhere on the order of 30 games to converge on something close to an accurate rating. At our rate, we'd need two or three tournaments to hit that.

The way you start out is also critical; if you just assign teams a flat rating, it may overestimate or underestimate their true strength. I think existing systems don't assign an initial rating until after a few games, so you're started somewhere closer to your true strength.

For instance, instead of starting everyone at a 1000, say you play the first five games and manage to beat a 1300 and a 1350. Then maybe your true initial rating is in the neighborhood of 1300 as well. Although then you have to retroactively process the ratings for those other teams, and... so yeah, there's some messy math and statistics involved.

There's also the issue of teams playing and then disappearing. Since ELO rankings don't degrade over time, but can only rise or fall as games are played, teams that don't play games are more or less frozen forever. So a team which plays a lot of games but can't get wins would never pass them.

This isn't to say that I'm criticizing Bluth's rankings. They're just peculiarities of the system, which takes awhile to get rolling just due to the math involved.

Is this is matchday 3, why have we all played 4 games. :)

DISCLAIMER:

Qazox has been working 12 hour days for the last 2 weeks and what's left of the intelligent potion of his brain has decided to check out for an early vacation before Thanksgiving.:$

AND to Dancougar: NO there won't be a day off after MD5. This way I can get the entire group stages done before Thanksgiving. Thanksgiving will be the lone OFF day.

Nice! Just to satisfy my engineer's curiosity, could you wikify the formula, e.g. how much weight is assigned to qualification, tournament, friendlies etc., and how the margin-of-victory is factored in?
At this point, it doesn't. I'm just keeping the spreadsheets simple to start out.

For instance, instead of starting everyone at a 1000, say you play the first five games and manage to beat a 1300 and a 1350. Then maybe your true initial rating is in the neighborhood of 1300 as well. Although then you have to retroactively process the ratings for those other teams, and... so yeah, there's some messy math and statistics involved.
Yeah, it'd end up requiring me to solve something like a 50x52 matrix...if I still had Matlab it'd be a cinch, but I don't and I don't want to try doing something like this in C or PHP.

There's also the issue of teams playing and then disappearing. Since ELO rankings don't degrade over time, but can only rise or fall as games are played, teams that don't play games are more or less frozen forever. So a team which plays a lot of games but can't get wins would never pass them.

That's why I did the Last-3 (and, eventually, the Last-5) rankings. Once they get rolling, the All-Time Rankings will be really nothing more than just fun.

This isn't to say that I'm criticizing Bluth's rankings. They're just peculiarities of the system, which takes awhile to get rolling just due to the math involved.

Yup; but that said, criticize away if you want. If I can make them better I will. That's not to say I will automatically incorporate any criticism I receive, but I will continue it--and maybe even discuss it with you--and if I end up deciding it's a good idea, I'll incorporate it.

At this point, it doesn't. I'm just keeping the spreadsheets simple to start out.

Ah, well one day, I think it would be pretty straightforward to tweak the formula for World_Football_Elo_Ratings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Football_Elo_Ratings), with the goal index maybe switching to a touchdown index (so bigger wins get weighted more heavily).

Ah, well one day, I think it would be pretty straightforward to tweak the formula for World_Football_Elo_Ratings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Football_Elo_Ratings), with the goal index maybe switching to a touchdown index (so bigger wins get weighted more heavily).

Oh, certainly, certainly.

In fact, I already know how I would (probably) do it: weight bigger games simply by modifying the K-value, and include margin of victory through the following process:

Add both team scores together
Divide the player's score by the aggregate score
Average the result with the expected win likelihood (the Elo formula refers to it as "expected score", but that's a relic of it being designed for chess where the possible scores for a game are either 0, 0.5, or 1--what it really represents is the expected likelihood of winning) and use this as the Sa value in calculating the new rating

What I read:

Me: Um, am I the only one that think this looks funny?
Danc: Yes, because [bzzzt-engineer speak]
Bluth: [bzzt - more engineer speak]
Dancougar: [bzzt - even farther over my head]
Bluth: [bzzt - more engineer speak]
Dancougar: [bzzt - even farther over my head]
Bluth: [bzzt - more engineer speak] k-value [bzzzt]
Bluth: Well, of course. glad that's solved. *Hearty laugh.*
Dancougar: *Hearty laugh.*
Me: Huh? Well, I guess they fixed it.

LOL Arroza.

The funny part is that I'm actually a liberal arts major.

OK, I was an AAE major for seven semesters...but that was a couple of years ago.

The funny part is that I'm actually a liberal arts major.

I remember working in a computer lab with a bunch of information systems and related majors. I was the lone English major working there.

I remember working in a computer lab with a bunch of information systems and related majors. I was the lone English major working there.

That's always made so much more fun when you turn out to be the more knowledgeable than they--both practically and theoretically--in their own fields.

RL NCAA update:

OU: LOTS
TTU: not as much

Go GATORS! (your new #3 until they beat Alabama and become #1 and whup Texas or Oklahoma in the NC.)

Yes, the entire world just got a sneak preview of what my beloved Colts will be doing to San Diego tomorrow night.

Whew, that was almost bad. I had a full RP for the Secristan game and as soon as I hit post, I saw that Sec got his up right around when I started. But it was spooky how similar my draft was to his report; I only had to move a few sections around and change the order of my scores.

Yep sometimes two wierdos can come up with the same wierd idea.

OOC/Metacomment.

I just got a realy good deal on a flight out of Atlanta (under $250 + tax) and I'm going to take the opportunity to spend Thanksgiving week in Panama. So, I should be back just in time to lose in the first round of the playoffs with my depleted RP. Happy Holidays!

Likewise, I'll also be away for several days starting tomorrow, visiting family for a few days and then jaunting over to Athens for a bit on Saturday. I'll be back either Saturday night or Sunday (this may depend on the result of that game).

I think that they think this this is a judged activity like the olympics? Maybe they're looking for the russian judge?

IC'ly, probably.

OOC'ly, I get the feeling that he/she is running his/her nation as a parody of the typical behavior of regimes such as the one in Cuba.

Quite clever, too.

Now that we're in the playoffs, who's going to be scorinating Qazox's games?

I'm curious now that I'm actually going to be playing you. :eek2:

Looks like Newmanistan and Qazox are heading to yet another quarterfinal meeting in which Qazox will likely defeat Newmanistan for the third time in four World Bowls in the quarterfinals. Needless to say, we'll be rooting for Sarzonia.

Sarzonia, the World Bowl custom so far regarding the host in their own games is that we trust them to do their game fairly as they do all the other games. However, it has also always been traditionally mentioned that if someone wished for their game against the host (at this stage, or any stage really) to be scorinated by someone else, that is something that we would do. So if you wanted this then we would work something out. I would do it but then I could be seen as having a pro-Sarzonia conflict of interest. ;)

Having said that, I have participated in many competitions hosted by Qazox and have 100% faith in him to scorinate any game fairly.

Sarzonia, the World Bowl custom so far regarding the host in their own games is that we trust them to do their game fairly as they do all the other games.

Having said that, I have participated in many competitions hosted by Qazox and have 100% faith in him to scorinate any game fairly.

Oh, I'm not saying I don't have faith in Qazox scorinating objectively. Far from it. I think the right teams have advanced to the final 12 based on ranks and roleplaying. Granted, I don't know what formulae are involved, so I don't know how much of a role RPing has in this World Bowl. But it does seem as though the teams who should be in the playoffs are.

I was just wondering considering how people in World Cup are about hosts scorinating themselves.

Next season needs out of Group play. Maybe a longer schedual and more time between cutoffs... I know personally I don't have a chance to get something in all of the time, since I'm usually at work.

Oh, I'm not saying I don't have faith in Qazox scorinating objectively. Far from it. I think the right teams have advanced to the final 12 based on ranks and roleplaying. Granted, I don't know what formulae are involved, so I don't know how much of a role RPing has in this World Bowl. But it does seem as though the teams who should be in the playoffs are.

I was just wondering considering how people in World Cup are about hosts scorinating themselves.

Looks like Newmanistan and Qazox are heading to yet another quarterfinal meeting in which Qazox will likely defeat Newmanistan for the third time in four World Bowls in the quarterfinals. Needless to say, we'll be rooting for Sarzonia.

Sarzonia, the World Bowl custom so far regarding the host in their own games is that we trust them to do their game fairly as they do all the other games. However, it has also always been traditionally mentioned that if someone wished for their game against the host (at this stage, or any stage really) to be scorinated by someone else, that is something that we would do. So if you wanted this then we would work something out. I would do it but then I could be seen as having a pro-Sarzonia conflict of interest. ;)

Having said that, I have participated in many competitions hosted by Qazox and have 100% faith in him to scorinate any game fairly.

Now that we're in the playoffs, who's going to be scorinating Qazox's games?

I'm curious now that I'm actually going to be playing you. :eek2:

Next season needs out of Group play. Maybe a longer schedual and more time between cutoffs... I know personally I don't have a chance to get something in all of the time, since I'm usually at work.

If you are that worried about it Arroza could scorinate using his scorinator. ;)

Actually RP played a big factor in this tourney.

WITHOUT RP bonuses, all 5 last place teams would have finished 0-10 (except Greal, who would have finished with the same record) and 3 teams (Arroza, Dancougar and Kura-Pelland) would have finished 10-0. Newmanistan and myself would have finished 9-1 each, with Vephrall and taeshan each 7-3. Most of the rest of the teams would of had records between 5-5 and 3-7.

The only thing I added that made no difference at all was the turf factor... all it did was make some teams' home games closer than what they should have been.

As for the RP cutoffs, I usually can only be on the computer between 10pm to 2 am EST due to work and other RL things. As for the time difference, I really wanted to try to get as much of this done before Thanksgiving IF that reason meesed up your big RPing plans, I'm sorry and IF i host another one of these, i'll attempt to spread out the RPing days.

We can't break up group d next season D:<

lol, won at least 1 game. Making up my RP. But it will take some time as my RP partner has not logged in over the last 7 days.

Antitidum @ La Habana Cuba 16-6

Habana Cuba 1-9-0 .100 141 288 -147

Antitidum 1-9-0 .100 142 270 -128

Well that's the reason why you only won 1 game.

Post-World Bowl IV Elo rankings are now up: http://wikistates.outwardhosting.com/wiki/Post-World_Bowl_IV_Elo_Rankings

It's become too cumbersome to maintain the All-Time and Last-5 rankings, so I'm just doing what I had previously called Last-3.

Finishing 12th in the Elo Rankings is not a bad finish for a team that debuted in this past World Bowl.

That was fun.

I'm happy to have improved my rank this time around. Going 10-0 even in a joke of a group probably helped - although not as much under Elo as it would under a KPB-type formula precisely because of said weak group.

I think Arroza's MS Paint just trounced Rennidan and my flame war from WB II.

Question: The ELOs are not the rankings used for future editions of the competition, are they?

Just a nitpick, but it's a pet peeve of mine..."Elo" is not an acronym; it's the name of the inventor of the system, so it shouldn't be written in all-caps.

Just a nitpick, but it's a pet peeve of mine..."Elo" is not an acronym; it's the name of the inventor of the system, so it shouldn't be written in all-caps.

According to the wiki article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system) about the Elo system, it's commonly written in all caps even though it isn't an acronym.

Then again, ELO could also be used to stand for Electric Light Orchestra, which would be wholly irrelevant in this case. :tongue:

Question: The ELOs are not the rankings used for future editions of the competition, are they?

No, there's a separate KPB-like system that Arroza usually puts together. Or whoever knows the algorithm and decides to do it.

question: The elos are not the rankings used for future editions of the competition, are they?

gawd no. we use Arroza's Kpb or whatever they call its rankings.

KPB is fine, since my rankings are basically an over simplified version of the World Cup Ranking system (since we don't have an official CoH or BoF yet). I'm also not going to use the rankings from the Newmanistan Pre-Bowl since it wasn't open to all comers, or to all non-playoff teams.

With that said, new rankings are done. Thanks to Qazox for hosting a well-run tournament, and for getting the Wiki results up so quickly (BTW, you might want to check Taeshan's group stage record on the Wiki)

Open Office: Post WBIV AMS Rankings (http://www.mediafire.com/?qjjydqwngyo)
Excel: Post WBIV AMS Rankings (http://www.mediafire.com/?mm3ci5gygie)

KPB is fine, since my rankings are basically an over simplified version of the World Cup Ranking system (since we don't have an official CoH or BoF yet). I'm also not going to use the rankings from the Newmanistan Pre-Bowl since it wasn't open to all comers, or to all non-playoff teams.

With that said, new rankings are done. Thanks to Qazox for hosting a well-run tournament, and for getting the Wiki results up so quickly (BTW, you might want to check Taeshan's group stage record on the Wiki)

Open Office: Post WBIV AMS Rankings (http://www.mediafire.com/?qjjydqwngyo)
Excel: Post WBIV AMS Rankings (http://www.mediafire.com/?mm3ci5gygie)

Any chance of a post with the rankings here? (As my comp makes gibberish out of OO/Excel pages :()

I thank all who participated in WB4, cause I couldn't have run a good tourney without anyone signing up for it. Thanks for your kind comments.

Rank Team Total Points

1 Dancougar 23.5
2 Kura-Pelland 20.75
3 Arroza 18.5
4 Qazox 18.25
5 Newmanistan 18
6 Taeshan 15.5
7 Rennidan 15.5
8 Secristan 11
9 The Candrian Empire 10
10 Vephrall 9
11 Lovisa 7.5
12 Cotenshire 7.5
13 Myedvedeva 7
14 Sarzonia 6.5
14 Green Wombat 6.5
16 Nethertopia 6
17 Swilatia 5.75
18 Kjomasasopia 5
19 Miroxia 4.5
20 Bluth Corporation 4.5
21 Milchama 4.25
22 Colbourne 4
23 Lurikastan 2.5
24 Tortuga y Hispaniola 2
24 Twin Dominions 2
24 Christstan 2
27 Bettia 1.75
28 Mantwenic 1.5
28 Greal 1.5
30 The Valerian Empire 1.5
31 Sorthern Northland 1.25
32 La Habana Cuba 1
32 Cassadiagua 1
32 Antitidum 1
35 kenavt 0.25
36 kosovoe 0.25
37 Yafor 2 0
37 Unified Capitalizt States 0
37 United Hetzel 0
37 Valanora 0
37 Am3ricans 0
37 Holy Marsh 0
37 Kose and the Turkomans 0
37 Atruria 0
37 Fujisawan Territories 0
37 Shinfundo 0
37 Southamptonshire 0
37 Northwest Polaris 0
37 Pablicosta 0

Final statline of World Bowl 4:

Arroza's record against Dancougar and Kura-Pelland: 1-10 (.091)
Arroza's record against everyone else in the world: 51-3 (.944)

Introducing the World Bowl Hall of Fame! (Wiki will be made eventually)
The building has been constructed in Pocono City and will begin its search to look for valuable artifacts in which it can contain. We are also eager to induct our first class of Hall of Fame members.

Here are the criteria for initial membership:
-- 1 player for all nations that have attempted to qualify for all four World Bowls.
-- 1 player for every two times your nation qualified past the group stage.
-- 1 player for each championship game appearance
-- 1 player for each championship.

Dancougar, for example, would have eight players they could induct. Newmanistan would have four.

We will accept applications at any time for inductment into the Hall.

By "final" do you mean championship game appearance?

By "final" do you mean championship game appearance?

Yes! I will clarify it, thanks!

(Him lets see championship and entrance in game if world bowl 0 counts) + all four, then add the 1 for advancing 3 times(2 if 0 counts) So it would be either 2 or 5. Also i would like to remake the announcement just minutes ago about the thing in the WBC.

Hope you guys don't mind, but I'm tagging this thread for future reference. I had no idea there was a football RP thread.

Hope you guys don't mind, but I'm tagging this thread for future reference. I had no idea there was a football RP thread.

Ok with us.

So you know, "tagging" isn't necessary...there's a "subscribe" feature that takes the place of what tagging was back on the old phpBB forums, way back in the day.

Damn, that was nearly six years ago.

Yeah, I know, but I just wanted to make my presence and future interest known.

I look forward to possibly facing you on the field.

And yeah, Sarzonia's name for the sport is gridball, haha.

Or you can call it GridIron, like Qazox does and It is in the offical name for the Championship...

Or you can call it GridIron, like Qazox does and It is in the offical name for the Championship...

The original official name for the sport in Sarzonia was "gridiron football, formerly known as American football." Gridball took off as an abbreviated name with a uniquely Sarzonian flair.

Then when Sarzonia hosted the first-ever AO Bowl, other nations started calling it that...

And with that, I've now hit 10,000 posts.

The original official name for the sport in Sarzonia was "gridiron football, formerly known as American football." Gridball took off as an abbreviated name with a uniquely Sarzonian flair.

Then when Sarzonia hosted the first-ever AO Bowl, other nations started calling it that...

And with that, I've now hit 10,000 posts.

Congrats.. You dang SPAMMER! :p

Football season ends February 1.
The NS World Cup ends February 1.

Sounds like February 2 would be a good time for RP addicts and Football fanaticism to collide in World Bowl 5.

just sayin...

I'm going to send a squad to WB5.

Anyone know where one of the storefronts that design gridiron unis is?