NationStates Jolt Archive

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For those of you new Space Nations, life can be tough. If you are just emerging into the Universe all the quality territory has been taken, the shortest and quickest trade routes through the stars are already claimed, and there are plenty of larger nations out there that can push you around. For the older nations there are plenty of conflicts which prevent true prosperity; territory is claimed by multiple nations, endless wars emerge from what should be only a minor clash, and trade between the many different peoples of the Universe is stifled to the tiniest of trickles. Well, we are here to propose an end to this. A Galactic Alliance, a governmental body that will smooth out the inter-stellar pathways and help the new guys along. Unlike the U.N. on Earth, the Galactic Alliance will not rely on the powers of its member nations to enforce the will of those same nations. It will have its own army, its own trade fleets, repair depots, and everything else. It is not here to rule you or use you, but to help you. All nations with proper spelling and grammar are welcome, and we have a loose constitution to help smooth out the differences between members. If you have read, and accept, the constitution you are in.

Article 1:
Each member nation must adhere to all Alliance laws and mandates without exception.

Article 2:
Each member nation maintains sole control over their territory, as long as such control does not conflict with Article 1.

Article 3:
If a member nation is in distress, whether it is politically, economically, or militarily, and said distress is not a result of his/her doing, all other members are required to pledge any support they can.

Article 4:
All member nations must give all other members free passage and trade to their systems.

Article 5:
Any technological developments or creations from before joining the Alliance are the strict property of its creator, shared only at his/her wishes. All technology developed by government forces after joining the Alliance is to be shared with all Alliance member nations.

Article 6:
Detailed schematics of vessels developed by government forces using technology gained through the Alliance are to be donated to the Alliance to be used in the construction of the Galactic Alliance Fleet. Said Fleet will be equally crewed by citizens of the member nations and subjected to the commands of the Alliance as whole, not answerable to any individual nations.

Article 7:
The Security Council shall be composed of five member nations, nominated within the General Assembly and verified by a majority of the Assembly. The Council is a rotating body, the longest serving member retired upon the induction of a new member.

Article 8:
The Alliance may only embark on a course of action after it has been approved by a majority of the General Assembly, excepting if said course of action is specified in these Articles. Until said majority is reached, either for or against, the Security Council directs the course of action for Alliance forces.

Article 9:
No one in the Alliance may cause harm to another member, either politically, economically, or militarily, unless there is just cause. If cause is not found the aggressor shall be expelled from the Alliance. Cause shall be determined whether just or not by the current Security Council.

Article 10:
Any member nation may propose a change to these Articles and may propose a new law at any time. These shall come into effect immediately upon the ratification by a 2/3 majority of member nations.

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Member Nations of the Galactic Alliance:
The Associated Systems of Klonor
The Human Imperium of Central Facehuggeria
The Imperium of Arenumberg
The Imperial Corporate Nautocracy of Arizona Nova
The Rogue Military Alliance of Indra Prime
The Terran Colonies of Lessr Tsurani
The WatchGaurd of Ravea
The Imperial Dictatorship of Zatarack
The Interstellar Realm of Hyperspatial Travel
The Interstellar Empire of Vi2o
The High Explosive Empire of Blood Moon Goblins
The Grand Imperial 'Foxy' Empire of Trixia
The Imperial Empire of Buben
The Very Aggressive Space Empire of Outer Heaven MK II
The Marxist Corporation of Fodmodmadtol
The Community of The Free Droid Miners
The Confederacy of Lord Xemu
The Cyber Hive of Otagia
The Community of Albedh
The Hiigaran Empire of Christopher Thompson

More are being contacted as we speak, and any who read this are welcome to apply.

Presiding Security Council:
The Associated Systems of Klonor
The Human Imperium of Central Facehuggeria
The Imperium of Arenumberg
The Imperial Corporate Nautocracy of Arizona Nova
The Rogue Military Alliance of Indra Prime

Treaties, Ammendments, and Announcements before the General Assembly: The Kanuckistani Non-Aggression Pact and Mutual Defence Treaty.

Yay: 5
Nay: 1

Mutual Non-Agression is simple; your alliance and membership agree to respect Kanuckistani sovereignty and not engage in or directly and knowingly support military or paraminilary operations(including terrorism) against us. Likewise, we agree to do the same - any violation of this aspect to be delt with as an attack on all involved, with, prefferibly, peace enforced and reperations made to the offended by the offending nation. Ejection from the GA for any violators counted amoungst your membership would be desirible, also.

Mutual Defence is similarly straight forward; that is, upon being subject to an unprovoked attack, either party, Kanuckistan or the Galactic Alliance, may request military aid from the other - NS Telegram being the perfered method. In this event, the entity from whom aid was requested(again, Kanuckistan or the Galactic Alliance) shall deploy whatever assets are avalible or necessary to defeat the threat; if war results, the other party agrees to follow the victim to war in defence of said entity's sovereignty, if requested. This agreement applies in defence against any member of the GA who violates the non-agression agreement. It is also void if the attacked entity initiated military hostilities. This request may be issued by either the Kanuckistani government or the Galactic Alliance Security Council after a majority vote.

Finally, is an agreement of friendship; this is largly symbolic, but provides either side with treaty grounds for volentarily assisting the other in ways not covered in the above provisions - for example, rapid response to agression befor the GASC has time to properly issue a request for assistance, hunamitarian or economic aid, or assisting the other party in a war one views as just, amoung other possibilities.

Nomations for High Admiral (To be verified by the Security Council):

Yunger Keane (Associated Systems of Klonor) Yes: 5 (Klonor, Central Facehuggeria, Indra Prime, Arenumberg, Arizona Nova) No: 0

Marcus Sokun (Rogue Military Alliance of Indra Prime) Yes: 3 (Indra Prime, Arizona Nova, Central Facehuggeria) No: 1 (Klonor)

Anton Slavik (The Very Aggressive Space Empire of Outer Heaven MK II) Yes: 2 (Klonor, Arizona Nova) No: 0

Allied Fleet Command
Military Control of GA Combat Forces

Fleet Command High Admirals: Yunger Keane (Associated Systems of Klonor), Marcus Sokun (Rogue Military Alliance of Indra Prime), (Position Three Unfilled)

Sector Fleet Admirals: Each in command of one Sector Fleet, one sector is 5 GA systems, Grouped by geographic proximity

Battle Group High Captains: Sub-divisions of Sector Fleets, commanded by captain of lead ship, one battle group assigned to each GA system

Individual Ships: Commanded by captain of ship

Ships currently under construction, development, or research within the Galactic Alliance:

Hatshepsut class Destroyer

The Galactic Alliance Off-Site Forums (http://s13.invisionfree.com/Galactic_Alliance)

The Imperium of Arenumberg puts forth its application.

The Associated Systems of Klonor hereby welcomes the the Imperium of Arenumberg to the Galactic Alliance; provided you have read, understand, and agree to the Constitution.

Of course we agree wholeheartedly.

Then we are pleased to welcome you into the Galactic Alliance and are happy to announce that, until such time that the membership exceeds Five Nations and the rotation commences, you will be required to serve upon the Security Council.

To: The Associated Systems of Klonor; General Diplomacy
From: TICNAN - DFR

The Imperial Corporate Nautocracy of Arizona Nova wishes to join the Galactic Alliance. Anikar has read and accepts the mandates of its constitution.

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We would like to welcome you to the Galactic Alliance and, like Arenumberg, are glad to also induct you into the Security Council.

We too would like to extend our intent to join the Galactic Alliance. We agree to the conditions and sign it with gusto.

*signs with gusto*

The Terran Colonies of Lessr Tsurani will join. We are happy to join.

Emperor Samuel I, Holder of the Flower Of Terra

Ravea fully approves of the terms of the Galactic Alliance constitution and would be delighted to join it.

The Imperial Dictatorship of Zatarack putforths a proposal for membership in the GA.

The Galactic Alliance warmly extends a welcome to the new members, and also gladly confirms the last member of the first Security Council, Indra Prime. Henceforth, the Security Council will be composed of nations as outlined within the Constitution.

Oh, and we are cloe to approving the Constitution. Just one thing: Would Article 4 allow access to restricted area?

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The Interstellar Realm of Hyperspatial Travel puts foward an application for the Galactic Alliance.

Passage refers to your territory and land, tourists allowed in without restriction, no excess taxes, companies allowed to sell and buy, etc. It doesn't imply access to every single section of your nation. Are your civilians allowed into the very center of military intelligence?

Do you approve of and accept the Constitution?

Do you approve of and accept the Constitution?

Yes.

OOC: One can never be to careful.

Passage refers to your territory and land, tourists allowed in without restriction, no excess taxes, companies allowed to sell and buy, etc. It doesn't imply access to every single section of your nation. Are your civilians allowed into the very center of military intelligence?

Well, we accept the Constitution. Ah, the GA, back from the dead. Who woulda thunk it..

The Great Empire of Underwater Asylum will not sign your charter. However, we wish to establish good relations and perhaps be some kind of ally.

Before this little crock pot is filled all the way up with wanksplooge, I feel I should point out some inherent fallacies in this pitch.

For those of you new Space Nations, life can be tough. If you are just emerging into the Universe all the quality territory has been taken, the shortest and quickest trade routes through the stars are already claimed, and there are plenty of larger nations out there that can push you around.
Um, no. Last I checked, this galaxy had a hundred billion stars. The number of these that has been conclusively charted in RL? One. So, by those numbers, along with the fact that anyone can make up just about any sort of planet and/or star system they choose in which to base a spacedy nation, the maybe 100 or so RPing space nations would have to take ten million star systems each - and hold them - before you could seriously claim 'all the quality territory has been taken.

Further, the idea that you can claim a trade route is again ridiculous. Ability to claim is tempered by the lack of ability to hold. Possession is nine-tenths of territory law, and no space nation can hold the trackless void between the stars. A trade route is, in essence, a course across that void, and any ship can chart any course it pleases.

For the older nations there are plenty of conflicts which prevent true prosperity; territory is claimed by multiple nations, endless wars emerge from what should be only a minor clash, and trade between the many different peoples of the Universe is stifled to the tiniest of trickles.
Being about as old as nations get, I can tell you conclusively that I trade very prosperously, manage not to start endless wars from minor clashes, and nobody in their right mind overlaps their territorial claims with mine. Dunno, maybe I'm the exception. Any other older nations want to comment on this?

Article 1:
Each member nation must adhere to all Alliance laws and mandates without exception.

Article 2:
Each member nation maintains sole control over their territory, as long as such control does not conflict with Article 1.
In other words, your territory is yours, until the Alliance sees fit to take it away from you. Enforced, of course, as you will see in article six, by ships you designed, built, and paid for, but which are mostly not crewed by your people and do not answer to you.

Article 5:
Any technological developments or creations from before joining the Alliance are the strict property of its creator, shared only at his/her wishes. All technology developed by government forces after joining the Alliance is to be shared with all Alliance member nations.
Great. So... once you join, you own nothing new. Stunning. Never mind that most new technology is an extension of the old, and thus the prior-designed stuff could be interpolated from the new developments, and may even be required for their implementation.

Anyway, just thought I'd point out some interesting points, some things to mull over for the more feeble-minded of those folks who might be inclined to actually join this thing.

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As the elected representative of the Four Worlds of Kajal, I must express my disdain, and... amusement, towards this foolhardy alliance. You entice nations to join with the promise of territorial and economic protectionism, while you discreetly strip them of the ability to keep technologies - likely vital to national security - secret. The idea that the universe is itself overcrowded is grossly insulting to anyone of intellect, considering that even if a mere 1% of the star systems in the galaxy contain within them habitable planets, the number of those planets within our galaxy is itself staggeringly large.

You may attempt to claim your exclusive trade routes, though you may soon find the prospect both impractical and impossible. Space is so vastly large that even vessels measuring several kilometers in length, which your kind are no doubt fond of, are little more than subatomic particles in comparison.

Of course, as a nation which itself is defined by your charter as a "larger nation that can push you around," I am quite happy to condemn your ill-thought out alliance. As per standard procedure, any "Galactic Alliance" vessels straying into the Pleiades cluster will be... disabled.

I have no doubt that such actions would be more than sufficient to infuriate your General Assembly, and as such, I recommend that action be taken on your part to avoid such encounters. If, however, your alliance insists upon such courses of actions, we shall not be responsible for any ill fates that befall your assets.

I wish you the best of health, however limited the time within which to enjoy that health may be.

Prime Minister Ilosse Derin Kavar
The Democratic Republic of the Four Worlds of Kajal

We too would like to extend our intent to join the Galactic Alliance. We agree to the conditions and sign it with gusto.

You're joining an alliance to stop big nations who push around little ones? Ah, the irony (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=346985).

OOC Do you have to ruin it for all of us? I mean really thats unfair. Also, is there a region/forum for us? Cause if there is, COOL!

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Broadcast ID: 132.82. 232 ZMI

From: The Concordat Security Council
To: The Galactic Alliance

Joint statement as follows:

The Concordat condemns any nation or organisation which sees interstellar open space as its “territory” and or “sphere of influence” and furthermore would warn the members of the Galactic Alliance or any seeking to join that organisation that attempting police and or secure “routes” through said area is nigh on impossible and would consume resources to no avail other than to the determent of your national budgets.

The Concordat condemns the wording of the Galactic alliances charter as it finds it uses “scare mongering” tactics based on false statements to inspire fear in the ill informed.

The Concordat condemns the galactic alliance as a possible oligarchy, and finds the technological control and mandatory sharing highly suspicious.

The Concordat condemns utterly the ability to alter a nations territory by majority vote without any codified system of international law or more worryingly respect for individual national sovereignty. Under no circumstances whatsoever save that of hostile seizure of another member nations sovereign territory and even then only to restore pre conflict borders can the concordat see a need for the permanent altering of a national border. The Concordat security council can only wonder what this pertains to the Alliances respect for non member states sovereign territory.

Given the known militaristic nature of a number of the Galactic Alliances membership, the fact it places no limit on how a member may treat its citizens and lacks any shared ethical or moral base, and its dubious claims to interstellar space , the concordat has placed it upon its watch list and appoints a sub committee to oversee any further developments from this new vector of possible international discord.

Excuse me, but why doesnt the ToY and its lovely little friends back off and stop annoying people all the time?

And if by some amazing consequence i find myself unable to use NS, then you only prove my point that you not only use your moderation powers for good, but also use it to eliminate people who find all of you grouping together to insult people a little immature.

Maybe if you take time to think, the constitution maybe designed that way - for further plotlines? .. oh but no, that would be far too simple..

Before this little crock pot is filled all the way up with wanksplooge, I feel I should point out some inherent fallacies in this pitch.

Um, no. Last I checked, this galaxy had a hundred billion stars. The number of these that has been conclusively charted in RL? One. So, by those numbers, along with the fact that anyone can make up just about any sort of planet and/or star system they choose in which to base a spacedy nation, the maybe 100 or so RPing space nations would have to take ten million star systems each - and hold them - before you could seriously claim 'all the quality territory has been taken.

Ah, the key word you just used is 'seriously'. I'm not in any way serious about this, as can be seen by the fact that I said the exact same thing two years ago with the first GA and people (Including me) are still exploring and claiming new things since then.

Further, the idea that you can claim a trade route is again ridiculous. Ability to claim is tempered by the lack of ability to hold. Possession is nine-tenths of territory law, and no space nation can hold the trackless void between the stars. A trade route is, in essence, a course across that void, and any ship can chart any course it pleases.

Well......yeah. Except for a few specific FTL that require certain courses or need to make use of certain locations you pretty much nailed it on the head.

Being about as old as nations get, I can tell you conclusively that I trade very prosperously, manage not to start endless wars from minor clashes, and nobody in their right mind overlaps their territorial claims with mine. Dunno, maybe I'm the exception. Any other older nations want to comment on this?

Well, I'm nowhere near as old as you, but Klonor's been doing pretty good to. I've never had one single declared war. It feels kind good to be able to say that.

See, that opening paragraph is essentially a sales pitch. Nothing more. I'm not trying to make an in-depth analyses of the game or commenting on the way that every player plays the game. I'm saying "It's bad out there, we'll make it good, come with us!" and tell me, when's the last time you heard a salesman not try to make his product seem vital?

In other words, your territory is yours, until the Alliance sees fit to take it away from you. Enforced, of course, as you will see in article six, by ships you designed, built, and paid for, but which are mostly not crewed by your people and do not answer to you.

Yup.

Great. So... once you join, you own nothing new. Stunning. Never mind that most new technology is an extension of the old, and thus the prior-designed stuff could be interpolated from the new developments, and may even be required for their implementation.

Again, hitting the nail right on the head.

Anyway, just thought I'd point out some interesting points, some things to mull over for the more feeble-minded of those folks who might be inclined to actually join this thing.

While I actually am a bit hurt that you would really go through all this and point out all the flaws, I must say that you really haven't revealed anything new to me or to the people signing up. Most members (and potential members) were able to realise all that on their own when I spoke to them on AIM and whatnot and we discussed them joining. They know that the first paragraph is just a sales pitch, that it would require a majority vote of the entire GA membership in order for their soverignty to be infringed upon, and some (Who I've talked to while writing up a post explaining in-depth how the military is going to work which, before you ask, I will submit to a vote before posting it as "They Way Our Military Works") about how the GA will finance and research its own military, it's not going to rely on the members.

We would like to formally welcome the Interstellar Realm of Hyperspatial Travel into the Galactic Alliance.

The Great Empire of Underwater Asylum, pending a General Assembly vote the Security Council will need to approve any form of formal alliance, but before such a vote takes place we would need to iron out the details. What exactly are you looking for?

Lessir Tsurani, no region or off-site forums, sorry.

We, the Great Empire of Underwater Asylum wish to be seen as an economic and military ally of all members of the Galactic Alliance, but not be bound by the conditions which require the sharing of technology. Thus we wish to be an 'outsider' ally.

OOC:

I think Klonor really did summarize I wanted to say OOC. I still wonder why Menelmacar cares, since she doesn’t RP with, and in fact ignores some of, the members of the Galactic alliance. I also think referring to potential signatories as ‘feeble-minded’ was uncalled for. Now I hope when reading my next post neither Kajal nor the Galactic alliance members get offended. Allaneans are in the top 1000 for ‘Rudest’.

IC: Official Statement of the Confederate States of Allanea regarding the Galactic Alliance

Even though we hold each and every member of the Galactic Alliance in extremely high esteem, and especially our good friends the Facehuggerians and Arizonans, who are members of the Greater Prussia Empire and, like us, faithful and loyal servants to the throne of his Majesty Napoleon IV, we would have to concur with the legal judgement produced by our Zeppelinian friends, who are likewise good and faithful members of the Empire. We further believe that the threat posed by this alliance to the concept of the sovereignty of it’s members is suspect as per it’s relevance to the values of the Empire, however we believe that as long as none of the stipulations of the Galactic Alliance directly contradicts the Imperial Lawcode, the members of the Empire are free to engage in whatever enterprised they see correct.

On the other hand, the comments of our brave and honest allies from Zeppelin Manufacturers equally apply to the Pleiades - and if indeed the doctrine of free and open space has the merit that has normally been ascribed to it by most of the important scholars of sentient-hood - then the threats made by the so-called ‘Democratic Republic’ of the Four Worlds of Kajal are entirely illegitimate and not worthy a civilised state. Yet again, we wonder if the ‘Democratic Republic’ is really a civilised state.

Pyotr Alekseeyevich Dolboebov, Deputy Secretary of State of the Confederate States of Allanea

The Imperium of New Haven wishes to state, as a member of the Hermes Alliance, that it has no intentions of joining an alliance of this nature. The technology sharing requirements alone would quickly negate the purpose of the Hermes Alliance. Also, we would not allow our vessels to be used by any international force other than the Hermes Alliance and its members.

I also think referring to potential signatories as ‘feeble-minded’ was uncalled for.

*Shrugs* I've usually found that when someone calls someone else 'feeble-minded,' they are trying to cover up their own intellectual inadequacies. It may not be the case here, but that's been my experience.

On the behalf of my nation...
I offer "this new weapon" as a gift to you and yours...
Called {drum roll please} "compassion"
Please use it wisely....

Notes: This weapon will cut through anything, mount it anywhere...
Its power is endless.{powered by sub-atomic newtrinic protrons- The void
Between atoms-}
warring with this weapon is not a good idea tho...Because no one will win...
Side effects are - we'r not sure...just be carefull..ware gloves...and cover your ears...
all the best....

Actually, there would be areas in which exclusive trading rights would be useful... My space is horrendously littered with radiation, dangerous rifts, unstable wormholes, and the like... My navy does a real job of keeping the 'Corridors' clear of any of this.

These corridors are declared safe for civilian travel, and are the only safe routes, as they are also kept clear of any pirate activity. Considering that I am a major ship and vessel system and subsystem supplyer, these trade routes could be very valuable...

This same concept could apply to massive asteroid belts or unstable areas of space and whatnot.


However, I do not believe I shall be joining in on this alliance, as it would make wars, and combat RPs difficult, it would end up as an Uber sized ESUS. People get upset about 'Elite Alliances' but that is what all alliances are, little clubs where allies get together to protect each other, trying to obtain the best of the best, not noobs... You don't just randomly accept people into strict military alliances...

[[OOC: Please do take the following as purely IC, not trying to screw anyones RP here.]]

Wazzu Economic Advisor Richard Perkans put fourth a statement today on the off chance that 1 in a few tens of thousands of nations might listen.

"Recent news has included the introduction of a new group of nations calling themselves the 'Galactic Alliance.' This alliance is actively recruiting members.

"Due to a certain provision in the organization's founding principles, I must disuade fellow capitalist nations from joining. The lack of regaurd for future intellectual property rights is a wall against the quickist and most efficient kind of development...private development.

"That said, should any capitalist nations join this alliance to the detriment of their private organizations, Wazzu would be quite happy to be the destination of any capital flight. I think such corporations would find Wazzu's private sector regulations to be quite liberating, and quite protective of their individual intellectual rights."

The Interstellar Empire of Vi2o has read and agreed the mandates of the Galactic Alliance. As being a former member of this alliance, we have decided to join again. Please accept our application into the GA.

Welcome back into the Galactic Alliance.

Excuse me, but why doesnt the ToY and its lovely little friends back off and stop annoying people all the time?To be fair, the only Yut member to post has been Menelmacar. Furthmore, most of the people to respond have responded in character. Considering that this is a roleplaying forum, I do find it curious that you're so hostile to IC replies.

Although I am amused that Yut has become such a bugbear these past few months.

On the other hand, the comments of our brave and honest allies from Zeppelin Manufacturers equally apply to the Pleiades - and if indeed the doctrine of free and open space has the merit that has normally been ascribed to it by most of the important scholars of sentient-hood - then the threats made by the so-called ‘Democratic Republic’ of the Four Worlds of Kajal are entirely illegitimate and not worthy a civilised state. Yet again, we wonder if the ‘Democratic Republic’ is really a civilised state.

Pyotr Alekseeyevich Dolboebov, Deputy Secretary of State of the Confederate States of Allanea

OOCly, I'm going to state that Pleiades itself is also rather small in the grand scheme of things. Not that an IC response to this would be forthcoming.

Mostly because I was in the 200s for rudeness, I do believe. :P

One small Pre-Sleep-BUMP before I go nighty.

Excuse me, but why doesnt the ToY and its lovely little friends back off and stop annoying people all the time?When Siri the Bigmouth Elf speaks for the entire Triumvirate, we'll let you know.

That time is not now. Chill, please.

Excuse me, but why doesnt the ToY and its lovely little friends back off and stop annoying people all the time?

And if by some amazing consequence i find myself unable to use NS, then you only prove my point that you not only use your moderation powers for good, but also use it to eliminate people who find all of you grouping together to insult people a little immature.

Maybe if you take time to think, the constitution maybe designed that way - for further plotlines? .. oh but no, that would be far too simple..

ooc: Regardless of what some may think, Siri is NOT the Trium, nor does she speak for the rest of us. She isn't even one of the FAE. Why don't YOU back off and stop damning an entire group of people just because one pointy-eared personage can't mind her own damn business for whatever reason?

'All of you'? I think not. You want to blame Siri for mouthing off and being rude, fine and well. Kindly leave the rest of us out of it.

Apologies or ooc'ing your thread like this, Klonor, but given the image I'm being unjustly saddled with on account of another person's ill-thought-out words, I felt I needed to set a few things straight. Good luck with your endeavors, and above all, have fun.

That is kinda the whole point, neh?

Excuse me, but why doesnt the ToY and its lovely little friends back off and stop annoying people all the time?

And if by some amazing consequence i find myself unable to use NS, then you only prove my point that you not only use your moderation powers for good, but also use it to eliminate people who find all of you grouping together to insult people a little immature.

Maybe if you take time to think, the constitution maybe designed that way - for further plotlines? .. oh but no, that would be far too simple..

((OOC: When Siri speaks for the entire Trium and/OR for the moderators, we'll letcha know. I can understand being quite annoyed at Siri for her remarks, as your alliance is really none of her business unless she plans to interact with you, but I really don't appreciate my entire alliance being lumped in as a bunch of annoying people due to the actions of one loud individual, nor do I appreciate the implications that a moderator would abuse his or her power in such a fashion.

That said, so as not to continue to hijack an otherwise IC thread....))

IC:
Due to current policies, Lady Firefury Amahira has no desire to sign on with the Galactic Alliance, however she hopes that friendly or at least civil relations may be maintained, given her long-standing aversion to war.

She sends her best regards and wishes the Alliance the best of luck in it's future endeavors.

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~Tsume Dragonis
~Secretary of Foreign Affairs
~Immortal Shogunate of Reploid Productions

OOC: And pointedly ignoring the rising tempers......

IC:

Nomination for High Admiral

The Associated Systems of Klonor, represented within the General Assembly by Ambassador Hunil, is hereby exercising its right as a member of the Security Council and nominating former Supreme General Yunger Keane for one of the vacant positions as High Admiral of the Galactic Alliance Fleet.

Though the Security Council and General Assembly have yet to commence construction of said Fleet, we of Klonor feel that having a command structure already in place will allow for a more easily administered Fleet once we begin to recruit and train personnell, construct vessels, and begin safeguarding the territory of our member nations.

The Security Council must approve of this nomination before Keane may assume command.

The Imperial Empire of Trixia submits its application. We have phonomenal resources at our diposal and would like to use them to further you cause!

Lord Imperial Trix

I would like to apply for fleey command high admiral if that is possible. And wish to dedicate my entire fleet to GA affairs, if accepted that is!

OOC:
Wow, I thought you were never going to revive the GA, Klonor :P

IC:
Blood Moon would be pleased to apply for Galactic Alliance Membership, if accepted we will bring microwave cocktail dogs to the next general assembly.

Lord Imperial Trix, Blood Moon, have you both read the Constitution and accept the requirements it places upon your nations?

The Imperium Of Arenumberg Votes For The Klonorian Proposal

OOC: I apologise to other members of the YUT, I am willing to accept when I am wrong and again, I apologise, Its just not all of my experiences with the organisation (not personal..) have been pleasant. But again, I do apologise.

Though, why it takes all of you to come along and start another chain of OOC responses is beyond me :D.
Just joking. Love you all, really.

No really I do.

From the coldest and darkest reaches of space a transmission arrived at the Security Council of the new Galactic Alliance from the most unlikely of sources. Indra Prime, has returned. The voice in the transmission was as cool as permasteel that had been left in the artic tundras of Rhetalia.

"As per our agreement to be a part of newly restored Galactic Alliance, and as a member of the Galactic Alliance Security Council, The Temporal Research Commission of Indra Prime supports and casts a vote of "yea" for the nomination of retired Supreme General Yunger Keane of The Associated Systems of Klonor.
We also put forth the nomination of our own Lieutenant General Marcus Sokun, retired Commander of the Temporal Incursion Fleet, to be the second High Admiral of the Restored Galactic Alliance. He led the confrontation against the invading Suchae, which left more than six thousand vessels severely damaged or destroyed and completely eliminated the threat of this invading force on this galaxy."

Yes we did and yes we do.
Do we get our desk and brass nameplate now?

Sure, why not.

Welcome to the Galactic Alliance!

Excellent.
A ship is on the way with the wieners and the delegates.

Yes we do!

The Emperor issues a vote of Yes for the Election of the High General.

However we would like to request into the fact that Indra Prime uses Highly advanced Temporal Technology, and By the Temporal Accord, you can not assist other nations in their own technology. We would like to know how exactly you intend to advance in the Temporal feild without breaking the commitment you so heavily enforce.

OOC I am fairly sure of the response, but Tsurani like to point out flaws in peoples plans

OOC: I should have specified, it's the Security Council that nominates and votes on the High Admirals positions, the General Assembly only votes if they're contesting one of the appointments.

IC:

Lord Imperial Trix, I would like to formally welcome you into the Galactic Alliance. Please help yourself to all the microwave cocktail dogs that you wish.

The Imperial Empire of Buben has watched with great intrest as the Galatic Alliance unfolds in the universe and becomes a power to reckon with. That said we would whole heartly like to join this esteemed group for security purposes.

We have reviewed your charters and can agree to such rules which are placed upon the member's. Furthur more our fleets can and will be intergrated into the fleet to serve the betterment of the Alliance.

We await word from your graces...

{Signed}
Tyruss A. Buben
Imperial Empire of Buben

(OOC: Klonor, are we going to have forums? This thread already seems to be getting... cluttered.)

Lord Imperial Trix, I would like to formally welcome you into the Galactic Alliance. Please help yourself to all the microwave cocktail dogs that you wish.

Many Thanks Klonor. The cocktails dogs are lovely...

The position of High Admiral, how would i go about obtaining it? My experiance of RPing space navy battles is deep. I used to RP with Roania back in tha day.

If possible, Blood Moon would like to nominate Crassus Scipio for a position in the High Admiralty, we feel that due to the...unique nature of Blood Moons ships that we should have some influence on their use.
Simply put, the nature of magically powered artifacts is such that improper use can be disasterous, especialy in the hands of an inexpereinced commander.

If this is NOT possible, we must request that at least one officer and an experienced thaumaturgist of Blood Moon be present on any ships contributed, for the same reasons.

To: Galactic Alliance
From: Department of the Exterrior, Kanuckistan
Subject: Concerns and Proposals




While tempting, the Dominion cannot at this time consider membership for reasons resulting form Articles 4 and 5 of the Galactic Alliance constitution, as well as territorial concerns arising form Article 2.

Specificly, Article 4 makes it impossible to regulate border security with regaurds to any person or vessel claiming the nationality of a GA member-state.

Regaurding Article 5, well, this would not only undermine defencive considerations, but economic ones, as joint corperate-government research projects are common.

We would, however, like to request out of general interest some clarification on what constitutes a technological development requioring sharing; ie, new types of technology, new forms of existing technology, improvments in existing technology, new implimentations of existing technology, etc.

As for article 2, handing the authority to unilaterily alter Kanuckistani terratorial concerns - indeed, usurp the authority of the Dominion's people and government in any respect - is not something we are prepared to do; the liklihood of it happening is moot - it is the principal of the matter. Indeed, the provision of Article 1 could be viewed as setting the stage for federal government over member states.



It is also worth noting that, with nations known to posess temporal technology amoung your membership, it would apear that they shall be requiored to provide, in full, any and all new temporal technology to all members, possibly including any prerequsit technology, regaurdless of the suitibility of member states to handle said tech.

Thus, we would like to request that you issue an ammendment removing the tech sharing requiorment with regaurds to temporal technology.




Additionally, you may recall that our nation and the first Galactic Alliance, unable to join for reasons similar to those above, had entered into a general agreement of non-agression and mutual defence; if you are willing to entertain the idea, we would like to renew that mutual commitment.


Signed:
Bob McBob
Minister Bob McBob,
Department of the Exterrior,
Kanuckistan

OOC: I should have specified, it's the Security Council that nominates and votes on the High Admirals positions, the General Assembly only votes if they're contesting one of the appointments.

OOC: For those who have inquired about how to attain a High Admiral Position, an individual must be nominated by a member of the Security Council. If you wish for a member of your nation to hold such a position, it is recommended that you approach a member of the Security Council and ask them to nominate your chosen person. Also, you could attempt to be elected into the Security Council and thus be able to nominate whomever you chose.

Vi2o, I'd like to avoid off-site forums if at all possible in order to keep everything in one easily located thread (instead of us having to skip through a dozen different links to find a single post) but we will move to a seperate forum if this thread becomes to cluttered for use.

IC:

We would like to formally welcome the Imperial Empire of Buben into the Galactic Alliance.

Blood Moons, you would have to request such an order from one of the High Admirals or present a motion before the General Assembly for formal voting.

Direct Beam Transmission: Minister Bob McBob, Department of the Exterrior, Kanuckistan
Transmission Origin: Ambassador Hunil, Security Council Klonor Representative, Galactic Alliance
Subject: Re: Concerns and Proposals

Article Four does not make it impossible to regulate border security, merely more difficult. Citizens of Galactic Alliance member nations must be allowed access to your nation, yes, but that does not mean that they are free from Kanuckistani law and, as such, must submit to weapons checks or surveilance or whatever else your government deems necessary to protect itself. (OOC: I, as a citizen of the U.S.A., have gone to Canada many times without undue hassle, but that doesn't mean I'm allowed to walk in carrying a gun or that I can violate their laws at whim). Free passage merely states they may not be unjustifiably barred from entry or taxed pointlessly or subject to bizarre treatment from the government, standard security checks and restrictions on what they're allowed to carry are in no way forbidden.

Technological developments requiring sharing.....(I'll get back to you on this one, since this'll need to be a pretty long statement in order to cover all the bases)

As for Article Two, yes, the risk is present, but with the Security Council constantly rotating and no member nations having any more (Official) influence than any other we feel that any attempt to subvert the individual governments would be easily countered.

Regarding your request for an ammendment to exlude temporal tech, we shall do no such thing. If you genuinly feel threatened you may join and propose such an ammendment, but the Galactic Alliance will not be dictated to by someone who won't even deign to formally enlist. Also, neither Klonor nor the Security Council have the authority to pass such an ammendment without the support of the General Assembly, so even if we were willing we couldn't submit to your request.

Transmission Closed

Trixia's Imperial Fleet

Now at the disposal of the GA

TSD II Defender
TSD II Protector
TSD I Blizzard
TSD I Vanguard
TSD I Knight
Trixian Dreadnought Black
Trixian Dreadnought Dark
Trixian Dreadnought Imperial
Trixian Dreadnought VW Golf
Trixia Medical Frigate Bandage

+Support craft and Fighter wings

Under the command of Admiral Trent, who will do the will of the GA SC.

OOC: Klonor, you failed to address that last paragraph, which was probally the most important aspect of the message.

OOC: Oh.......whoops.

IC:

Transmission resumed because it was never meant to be closed in the first place and Bob is now looking for a new job after he hit the button with his elbow.

We would need more specifics before we enter into such an agreement, and it would also need to be approved by the General Assembly before coming into effect.

What, exactly, did you have in mind?

Transmission Closed. For real this time.

[QUOTE=Kanuckistan]To: Ambassador Hunil, Security Council Klonor Representative, Galactic Alliance
From: Department of the Exterrior, Kanuckistan
Subject: Re: Re: Concerns and Proposals

Ambassador;

Regaurding the pact, what we had in mind was fairly straight forward; missunderstanding and complications are, afterall, best prevented by avoiding unnecessary complication and legalese.

Mutual Non-Agression is simple; your alliance and membership agree to respect Kanuckistani sovereignty and not engage in or directly and knowingly support military or paraminilary operations(including terrorism) against us. Likewise, we agree to do the same - any violation of this aspect to be delt with as an attack on all involved, with, prefferibly, peace enforced and reperations made to the offended by the offending nation. Ejection from the GA for any violators counted amoungst your membership would be desirible, also.

Mutual Defence is similarly straight forward; that is, upon being subject to an unprovoked attack, either party, Kanuckistan or the Galactic Alliance, may request military aid from the other - NS Telegram being the perfered method. In this event, the entity from whom aid was requested(again, Kanuckistan or the Galactic Alliance) shall deploy whatever assets are avalible or necessary to defeat the threat; if war results, the other party agrees to follow the victim to war in defence of said entity's sovereignty, if requested. This agreement applies in defence against any member of the GA who violates the non-agression agreement. It is also void if the attacked entity initiated military hostilities. This request may be issued by either the Kanuckistani government or the Galactic Alliance Security Council after a majority vote.

Finally, is an agreement of friendship; this is largly symbolic, but provides either side with treaty grounds for volentarily assisting the other in ways not covered in the above provisions - for example, rapid response to agression befor the GASC has time to properly issue a request for assistance, hunamitarian or economic aid, or assisting the other party in a war one views as just, amoung other possibilities.

Naturally, we understand that any agreement will requior aproval by the GAGA, and we are open to counter-proposals.



Signed:
Bob McBob
Minister Bob McBob,
Department of the Exterrior,
Kanuckistan



OOC:
I take it you're reffering to another Bob, seeing as how you can't fire my government officals. :P

OOC: I can't? Crap.

IC:

The Non-Aggression Pact and Mutual Defence Treaty, as described within the transmission from the Kanuckistani minister Bob McBob, is hereby placed before the Galactic Alliance General Assembly for ratification. Please vote Yay (Yes) or Nay (No).

The Security Council may likewise vote on this issue, its stance to be adopted until the General Assembly completes its voting.

Yay

TICNAN sez: Yay

OOC: AN, we're also still waiting for you to vote on the High Admiral positions. As a matter of fact, we're still waiting for every Security Council member to vote (IP's nominee has 0 votes either way)

Er... Yay for Yunger, and N-yay for Marcus.

Darn you Klonor. There goes my 500th post.

OOC:

My question: This or that

Your responce: Yes

You're being asked to vote Yay or Nay on each person, not picking one over the other.

OOC: Are you trying to be difficult?

To which person are you voting Yay?

http://s13.invisionfree.com/Galactic_Alliance

A very preliminary off-site forum for the GA, since people keep baggering me.

I'm still setting it up, but gimme some feedback.

Yea on both accounts, Yea for Marcus Socun, and Yea for MDP/NAP submitted by Kanukistani Delegation.

All votes have been tallied in the second post.

Ok, I'm logged in as my main Dark Side nation of Huntaer, but I'd like my Light Side nation to be a part of this alliance.

The Republic of Huntarian Alliance is interested in this... well.... alliance.

Have you read and agree with the Constitution?

OOC: BUMP for more votes, we've had three responces from 13 members. Also, the Security Council members need to vote on IP's proposed High Admiral.

The Great Empire of Outer Heaven MK II, after much deliberation, and raised eyebrows at the Alliance Flag (Which eeriely enough, is extremely similar to ours), has decided to apply for this Alliance.

Why?

Outer Heaven has changed it's face. While it's still huge and obsessed with conquering, Outer Heaven is now making allies and trying to join in with Universe Alpha (Basically where most of you guys reside). Outer Heaven claims three sectors on the very outskirts of the Universe, called Corbantis, Lazerus, and Opui Alpha.

Outer Heaven is also willing to divert some of it's now dormant Fleet to the GA Fleet, and is also willing to offer the Schematics to our dreaded Cobra Corvettes (Fast and well armed, but not that well shielded or armoured), as well as the Python Light Frigate (Well armed and moderately armoured and shielded, but speed isn't that good).

We await a response with minor eagerness.

Have you read and accept the Constitution?

Indeed, and we agree.

Then welcome to the Galactic Alliance.

Thank you, if I understand correctly, there is some sort of vote going on at the moment?

Yes, the specifics can be found in the second post on the first page.

Before we vote on this matter, we must know more about the nation in question...Kanuckistan.

He's a member of the ESUS, some of his warships are called Battleplates, and.....okay, that's pretty much all I know (One of the reasons I have also not voted until I see more responces).

Outer Heaven, if it's permitted, would like to put forth Grand Admiral Anton Slavik as a candidate for High Admiral. While Slavik is the leader of Outer Heaven, he is more a figurehead than an actual politician. Slavik is a half Chiss-half Human, who has lead Outer Heaven in many successful campaigns. His thinking power and experience we believe would be invaluable to the GA, and would booster Outer Heaven's enthusiasm for the GA.

OOC: The NSWiki page on the GA should be updated.

OOC: OH, once again, it is the Security Council that nominates and votes on the High Admirals.

Before we vote on this matter, we must know more about the nation in question...Kanuckistan.

What wouuld you like to know?

What wouuld you like to know?

Their government and their Foreign and Domestic policies.

Their government and their Foreign and Domestic policies.

The goverment is Quasi-Theocratic Democracy; that is, aside from the God Emperor(ex-Prime Minister, elected to his current office by popular vote, despite his objections - uh, long story) it's a democracy at most levels, many of which utalise principals of direct-democracy.

Forgine policy is primarily defencive, and somewhat isolationist save for trade; the Dominion having neven been involved in a war of agression.

Domestic policies, well, that's alot to cover; do you have any specific points of interest?

the Dominion having neven been involved in a war of agression.

OOC: CorpSac's former homeworld disagrees. :p

No! Wait, that wasn't a war! That was a police action! :D

OOC: CorpSac's former homeworld disagrees. :p

No! Wait, that wasn't a war! That was a police action! :D


OOC:
Actually, that's not far off; he'd just blown up an NPC world killing countless millions of innocents when I spoiled his invasion of it - we retaliated by blowing up his homeworld; even gave him time to evacuate, which he squandered.

Of course, we later realised that maintaining such a stace was untenable.

The goverment is Quasi-Theocratic Democracy; that is, aside from the God Emperor(ex-Prime Minister, elected to his current office by popular vote, despite his objections - uh, long story) it's a democracy at most levels, many of which utalise principals of direct-democracy.

Forgine policy is primarily defencive, and somewhat isolationist save for trade; the Dominion having neven been involved in a war of agression.

Domestic policies, well, that's alot to cover; do you have any specific points of interest?

Economy, libertarian/authortarian policy, the poor/middle-class/rich.

Economy, libertarian/authortarian policy, the poor/middle-class/rich.

Extreamly powerful, moderatly-regulated capitalist economy, with innovation, small business, etc promoted via tax breaks and low-interest loan garuntees, but not excessivly.

Social policy is quite liberal, with the government generally staying out of people's lives and letting them make their own decisions, save the ocasional district that opts for their local level of government to impliment tighter restrictions.

We also have a large middle class, making up the vact majority, with a moderatly large upper class, and a fairly small lower class, for most of whom such is temporary.

Extreamly powerful, moderatly-regulated capitalist economy, with innovation, small business, etc promoted via tax breaks and low-interest loan garuntees, but not excessivly.

Social policy is quite liberal, with the government generally staying out of people's lives and letting them make their own decisions, save the ocasional district that opts for their local level of government to impliment tighter restrictions.

We also have a large middle class, making up the vact majority, with a moderatly large upper class, and a fairly small lower class, for most of whom such is temporary.

We vote "yay."

We vote "yay."

OOC:
So what were you looking for, anyway?

We read this with much amusement, given the membership of the 'Human Imperium' in any alliance that claims a desire to 'end wars' and 'smooth out the inter-stellar pathways.' We are certain that aggressive xenophobes with perhaps three brain cells to rub together between their population to be far from conducive to interstellar peace and prosperity. Why we are absolutely certain that cripplingly cruel slavery is a wonderful tool for proving one's moral worth and superiority over us 'non-humans.'

Furthermore, we would not be too keen on receiving technological developments made by the 'Human Empire' and its odious ilk, because, we, evidently unlike the members of this alliance, do not enjoy bathing in blood. It does stain the hair awfully.

And then there is the wonderful non-aggression treaty this questionable and dubious alliance is contemplating. May I be so kind to mention that your respect from myself and my people, should you swear yourselves to non-aggression with rampantly wicked and foolish nations such as the 'Human Empire' will be even lower than it is now, somewhere below intestinal parasites, I should warrant.

- Romanadvoratrelundar, Lady President of the High Council of Time Lords, Keeper of the Legacy of Rassilon, Defender of the Laws of Time, Protector of Gallifrey.

OOC:
So what were you looking for, anyway?

OOC: Information on your nation.

OOC: Votes adjusted on the front page, but we're still waiting on many members.

<snip>

And then there is the wonderful non-aggression treaty this questionable and dubious alliance is contemplating. May I be so kind to mention that your respect from myself and my people, should you swear yourselves to non-aggression with rampantly wicked and foolish nations such as the 'Human Empire' will be even lower than it is now, somewhere below intestinal parasites, I should warrant.

- Romanadvoratrelundar, Lady President of the High Council of Time Lords, Keeper of the Legacy of Rassilon, Defender of the Laws of Time, Protector of Gallifrey.


OOC:

Check your Foreign Intelligence files; the Dominion is already allied with nearly half the current GA members, including all but one of the Security Council members, and CF, via the Extra-Solar Union of Systems.

I'm not going to clutter this thread explaining the reasons behind this, as it's only indirectly related; if you'd like further details you can TG me. Suficed to say we rather despise their methods and agenda; if you activly oppose them, you could probally find sympathetic support from non-governmental sources in Kanuckistan.

We read this with much amusement, given the membership of the 'Human Imperium' in any alliance that claims a desire to 'end wars' and 'smooth out the inter-stellar pathways.' We are certain that aggressive xenophobes with perhaps three brain cells to rub together between their population to be far from conducive to interstellar peace and prosperity. Why we are absolutely certain that cripplingly cruel slavery is a wonderful tool for proving one's moral worth and superiority over us 'non-humans.'

Furthermore, we would not be too keen on receiving technological developments made by the 'Human Empire' and its odious ilk, because, we, evidently unlike the members of this alliance, do not enjoy bathing in blood. It does stain the hair awfully.

And then there is the wonderful non-aggression treaty this questionable and dubious alliance is contemplating. May I be so kind to mention that your respect from myself and my people, should you swear yourselves to non-aggression with rampantly wicked and foolish nations such as the 'Human Empire' will be even lower than it is now, somewhere below intestinal parasites, I should warrant.

- Romanadvoratrelundar, Lady President of the High Council of Time Lords, Keeper of the Legacy of Rassilon, Defender of the Laws of Time, Protector of Gallifrey.

Peace is merely a state of undeclared war. We joined this alliance to ensure a strong network of allies to further our goals of exterminating inferior beings like yourselves, foul time-traveling scum.

Note and note well that should any of your diabolical temporal weapons be used on ourselves or our allies, you shall be cleansed. Your cities shall be burnt to cinders with nuclear fire, your people exterminated down to the last man, woman, and child at the hands of our valiant warriors, your planets shattered and used to feed our inexorable march forward into dominance.

As for your... squeamishness, perhaps you should think of what you say before you provoke an obviously hostile and Xenocidal government with far more population, military, and economic might than your own. Lest you find our warriors kicking down your doors and dragging your people into incinerators for easy cleansing.

-Official reply from the Imperial 'Diplomatic' Corps.

OOC: Nice post.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=438827&page=1&pp=15

All members, due to threats and hostilities on TFU's side, we are now declaring war on TFU. Please read the thread for more information, and see if this action is justified. Bear in mind we did warn him.

No, we are not declaring war on TFU. You are declaring war on TFU and, if you are not the aggressor, we will support you, but you do not have the right or the authority to marshal the entire GA membership or its Fleet. Nobody, excepting the General Assembly (And, by proxy, the Security Council), has that authority.

Sorry, when I said we, I was referring to my Nation. I'm sorry for making my writing not so clear. Read the thread, and judge it yourselves. We will do our best to refrain from firing first.

Broad Beam Transmission
Transmission Origin: Ambassador Hunil, Security Council Klonor Representative, Galactic Alliance

Upon reviewing the matter carefully, the nation of Klonor has decided that Article 3 of the Galactic Alliance Constitution is not, repeat not, in effect at this time. The nation of Outer Heaven MK II, though apparently acting in its own defence, is believed to share significant responsibility for the hostilities underway and could have avoided them with little or no negative effects. The Galactic Alliance Fleet is not to be used in this conflict and the Member Nations are not required to support Outer Heaven MK II.

However, this does not mean that members are not allowed to support Outer Heaven MK II. Member Nations may pledge any support they wish, they merely must know that they do not have to.

This decision may be overturned by the other current members of the Security Council, who hold equal say to Klonor.

Transmission Closed

I would ask how precisely we are inferior to you, but I’m afraid, that though we Gallifreyans have far superior mental faculties, the inane drivel of your racial superiority rhetoric would doubtless give me a headache. As for our temporal weapons, I would note that while we frequently protect others from the crudities of such ‘weapons’ – it’s very easy, one simply looks into the matrix to see if such a civilisation does not use such weapons, and does not consent to its own elimination from the timelines, if so, its simply a matter of erasing the effort to remove them.

In any case, I am quite happy to continue provoking you with my ‘squeamishness’ content in the knowledge that your disdain for such things may annoy you. Please, I would be most amused by your efforts at oppressing Gallifrey. Really.

No, really, try it. Please. We are rather constrained by various long-standing treaties in our dealings with less advanced cultures, but my advisors tell me that they’re comparatively certain that these constraints don’t actually apply if we’re attacked. It will give us something to do. Sitting about watching the universe unfold in the past present and future is fine and good, but sometimes one can’t quite beat the entertainment value of reducing some xenophobic toad to the proverbial cat in the dog pound. And it has a wonderful warm glow of applied morality about it too.

- Romanadvoratrelundar, Lady President of the High Council of Time Lords, Keeper of the Legacy of Rassilon, Defender of the Laws of Time, Protector of Gallifrey.

The Empire of Invanz would like to join.

Etcetera, Fod would like to join, etcetera, have read and agreed to terms and conditions, ot what have you. Etcetera. Fod would like to join.

Sincerely,
The Department of Redundancy Department

*snip*

Pathetic. You obviously rely upon your temporal technology as a crutch. Were it not to function, what would your weak people have to defend themselves? Make no mistake, we have long looked at the threat that temporal nations like yourself posed. Originally we thought to combat fire with fire, as it were. But it was distasteful to use such an obviously evil technology. Instead, we looked into other means to counter the cowardly temporal races.

Temporal technology is for the weak. The only ones who even partially legitimize it in our eyes were the Indrans and their Metallinauts protégés. They recognized temporal weapons for what they are, weapons of last resort. They did not use them as a security blanket to keep their minds at ease when their foes came for them.

They were not cowards who used it to buoy up their otherwise pathetic military like an old-Earth third-world nation with fission bombs. Take away your Tardis and what have you? Even without our advanced technology, our people can still defend themselves. Can your own say the same?

...No, we shall not give in to your obvious attempts at goading us into a war. We do not wish to dirty ourselves by crushing your temporally tainted nation like the insect it is. Frankly, while it would be extremely satisfying, your wretched people are not even worth the effort it would take to strike them down.

-The Imperial "Diplomatic" corps.

I would advise you to kindly not think that you know how or what we use as technology, nor that we are in some way dependant on manipulation of the Web of Time to defend ourselves. While I would explain our methods to you, I fear you lack both the wit and wisdom to understand. Though I thank you for providing me with several minutes of hysterics. You seem to be under the impression that the TARDIS is in some way the limit of our abilities, and that we rely on such devices to defend ourselves.

I should foster this illusion, but I cannot bring myself to promote your ignorance further, I assure you, we would not require the use of TTcapsules in defeating you, nor any other manipulation of time. You are inordinately weaker than us in the present moment in relative time, such drastic means would not be required.

Obviously your evident fear of us, acting rather like the school-yard bully confronted with a teacher – I would beat you up too, Teach, but I like you too much - is proof that at some level you know us, or you would have attacked us by now.

- Romanadvoratrelundar, Lady President of the High Council of Time Lords, Keeper of the Legacy of Rassilon, Defender of the Laws of Time, Protector of Gallifrey.

Make no mistake, we have long looked at the threat that temporal nations like yourself posed. Originally we thought to combat fire with fire, as it were. But it was distasteful to use such an obviously evil technology. Instead, we looked into other means to counter the cowardly temporal races.

Are all members of this alliance as ignorant, backwards, and outright uninformed as this one? To claim a given technology is "evil" is not only odious to the very spirit of scientific advancement, but displays an ignorance on the level of superstition.

Technologies are neither evil nor benevolent, as any being with any degree of intelligence can attest. It is the application of said technologies that can be evil. Temporal technology is no different than anything else: it can be used for good and it can be used for evil.

Of course, most uses are neither, they are simply neutral, much as the technology itself.

Perhaps this alliance should consider muzzling their attack dogs, lest such mind-bafflingly moronic statements reflect poorly on the organization as a whole.

~ Mavis

I would advise you to kindly not think that you know how or what we use as technology, nor that we are in some way dependant on manipulation of the Web of Time to defend ourselves. While I would explain our methods to you, I fear you lack both the wit and wisdom to understand. Though I thank you for providing me with several minutes of hysterics. You seem to be under the impression that the TARDIS is in some way the limit of our abilities, and that we rely on such devices to defend ourselves.

I should foster this illusion, but I cannot bring myself to promote your ignorance further, I assure you, we would not require the use of TTcapsules in defeating you, nor any other manipulation of time. You are inordinately weaker than us in the present moment in relative time, such drastic means would not be required.

Obviously your evident fear of us, acting rather like the school-yard bully confronted with a teacher – I would beat you up too, Teach, but I like you too much - is proof that at some level you know us, or you would have attacked us by now.

- Romanadvoratrelundar, Lady President of the High Council of Time Lords, Keeper of the Legacy of Rassilon, Defender of the Laws of Time, Protector of Gallifrey.

We are so frightened by your massive lead in conventional weaponry. Perhaps when we see actual evidence of your 'powerful' weaponry, we will elevate you from the insectile level of regard we hold for you into that of a semi-worthy (or at least more honest) foe.

Our weakest vessels can and have destroyed planets on a whim, leaving naught but an asteroid field to mark the dead. Our most powerful? Even we do not know their true capabilities, for they have never been tested. And given your thinly-veiled lies, we highly doubt that you could truly test them. What evidence have you? None. You know nothing of our technology but what scraps of information we deign to provide. That is why we find your assumption of your own technological superiority laughable.

But even if we were in error of the position of temporal technology in your order, we still have seen no proof of Gallifreyan power. Given this, we think it logical to assume that your dishonest boasts are just that, boasts by a pathetic government trying to prevent other, stronger peoples from crushing it.

In this you have succeeded. But for all the wrong reasons. As we said earlier (which, you, in a particularly inept analogy likened to a teacher-student relationship,) your nation is too pathetic to merit extermination. Why should we waste our time and bombs on weaklings like yourselves, weaklings who speak of their own power in the hopes that they'll be left alone, when we can go forth and fight worthy opponents? Opponents that would challenge us, test us, and force us to excel?

We fear no foes, save perhaps the Triumvirate, but we do deem certain races as unworthy of even the honor of one final blaze of glory. From what we have seen thus far, Gallifrey is one of those one of those rare governments that appears not even worth the miniscule effort it would take to wipe it from the face of the universe. Again, if you cowards wish to change this, perhaps you shall show us some evidence that supports your outlandish claims?

-The Imperial "Diplomatic" Corps.

but displays an ignorance on the level of superstition.


OOC: Correct on all counts! :D Normally ICly my nation is pretty liberal with regards to technology. It's just temporal technology is deemed evil by my government due to certain bad IC experiences with it.

OOC: Okay, the level of activity from member nations is far below acceptable. We've had 4 of 14 members vote on the current resolution, and only two Security Council members voting on the current High Admiral nomination.

It is at this point that I'd like to propose a new position within the alliance: The Official Herald

The Herald will be responsible for TG'ing, IM'ing, or otherwise contacting members of the Alliance who seem to have overlooked a need for their action. Also, it'd be nice if they'd regularly check to see if all the member nations are still in existence, trying to access their national spotlight every few weeks should do the trick.

Do we have any volunteers?

EDIT: And I'd like to say that this little conflict that's brewing is simply smashing! Kudos on the writing all around!

Oh I see, you’re trying to bluster with some anaemic weapons you happen to possess to cover up your own terror. You are evidently far too afraid to back up your inane rhetoric about your ‘human supremacy,’ not that I blame you, but I expected more. I expected these mighty Übermensch. You’re more than willing to attack those unfortunates who are less powerful than you for no reason whatsoever beyond this juvenile fixation with antique philosophies, - you claim we are weaker than you, if that is so, why are your ‘mighty legions’ of ‘Imperial Knights’ not using their excessively compensatory and phallic guns to break my door down right now?

I suppose I should find the fact that your less than well thought out response is so obviously a shriek of pure terror on your side flattering, but unlike yourselves, I have no desire to attach my self worth to the showing off of ‘powerful’ weapons. Still, if you are so far superior, then I still must wonder, why are you not implementing your warped philosophies even now?

If our ‘boasts’ are so laughable to you, please, come and disprove them. I will note that I have hardly been using my words to try and dissuade you from aggression. I welcome you to attack us, as I have said, I do not issue you any warnings against action that you might take against us, I implore you to do so.

Obviously we puny aliens are far inferior to your hard, pulsing humanhood. Obviously your superior intellect has seen through our pathetic display, to see the real weakness beneath. We tremble in fear before the might of your excessively large infantry guns, and the building crushing monstrosities that are your ‘Bolos.’ Please don’t hurt us puny aliens, as our superior intellect is so obviously not a match for your puny weapons.

- Romanadvoratrelundar, Lady President of the High Council of Time Lords, Keeper of the Legacy of Rassilon, Defender of the Laws of Time, Protector of Gallifrey.

Are all members of this alliance as ignorant, backwards, and outright uninformed as this one? To claim a given technology is "evil" is not only odious to the very spirit of scientific advancement, but displays an ignorance on the level of superstition.

Technologies are neither evil nor benevolent, as any being with any degree of intelligence can attest. It is the application of said technologies that can be evil. Temporal technology is no different than anything else: it can be used for good and it can be used for evil.

Of course, most uses are neither, they are simply neutral, much as the technology itself.

Perhaps this alliance should consider muzzling their attack dogs, lest such mind-bafflingly moronic statements reflect poorly on the organization as a whole.

~ Mavis

Only peoples of the highest order of stupidity and ineptitude cannot see the inherent danger in fooling around with time itself. Of course 'temporal technology' itself isn't evil, because inanimate objects cannot be good or evil - thus you have only stated the patently obvious - but the amount of power that something like it gives to someone is more than mortals were ever meant to control. "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely," as the cliché goes, but it stands true. Temporal technology is the closest thing to absolute power that there is, and for the good of all sentient beings, it must be destroyed - along with its practitioners, if need be.

Valerio Yuval
Undersecretary of Foreign Relations
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AN, not to burst your bubble or anything, but Indra Prime is THE Temporal Nation on NS. I also have Temporal Technology, although I don't have much need for it.

Oh yeah, I've also added you to MSN AN, if you didn't know :/

OOC: Yes, I know, but that still not going to stop me from railing against TT ICly.
Additionally: oh? It did not remind me. Very strange - let me add you and see if it works that way.
EDIT: Contact me throught *retch* AIM as Anithraldur, as I can't seem to MSG you using the Jolt links.

As per the request of the The Very Aggressive Space Empire of Outer Heaven MK II, and by the powers invested in the Imperial Corporate Nautocracy of Arizona Nova by the Security Council of the Galactic Alliance, we hereby forward the nomination of one 'Grand Admiral Anton Slavik' of the former for the position of High Admiral of the Alliance to the Alliance floor.

Anariel
Diplomat General, Advisor to the Empress
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Only peoples of the highest order of stupidity and ineptitude cannot see the inherent danger in fooling around with time itself. Of course 'temporal technology' itself isn't evil, because inanimate objects cannot be good or evil - thus you have only stated the patently obvious - but the amount of power that something like it gives to someone is more than mortals were ever meant to control. "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely," as the cliché goes, but it stands true. Temporal technology is the closest thing to absolute power that there is, and for the good of all sentient beings, it must be destroyed - along with its practitioners, if need be.I would like to once again ask if this level of idiocy is common for this alliance, or if not all member states are required to have an iota of reading comprehension. After all, it was Central Facehuggaria who claimed that temporal technology was evil. Instead of railing against me for stating the "patently obvious", perhaps you should wonder why your own ally isn't aware of this basic fact.

Of course, claiming that mortals were not "meant" to control time smacks of more superstition. Nevermind the fact that claiming someone isn't supposed to use a certain technology is just calling it "evil" with a different semantic spin.

I had hoped that an alliance of nations who had mastered stellar travel would have cast off such stupid prejudices. Alas, it seems this is not the case. Are space travellers simply brain-damaged due to being off planet, or are the standards for this alliance just absurdly low?

Perhaps the leaders of this organization need to tighten the leash a little. The mongrels are making you look bad.

~Mavis

I would like to once again ask if this level of idiocy is common for this alliance, or if not all member states are required to have an iota of reading comprehension. After all, it was Central Facehuggeria who claimed that temporal technology was evil. Instead of railing against me for stating the "patently obvious", perhaps you should wonder why your own ally isn't aware of this basic fact.

Of course, claiming that mortals were not "meant" to control time smacks of more superstition. Nevermind the fact that claiming someone isn't supposed to use a certain technology is just calling it "evil" with a different semantic spin.

I had hoped that an alliance of nations who had mastered stellar travel would have cast off such stupid prejudices. Alas, it seems this is not the case. Are space travellers simply brain-damaged due to being off planet, or are the standards for this alliance just absurdly low?

Perhaps the leaders of this organization need to tighten the leash a little. The mongrels are making you look bad.

~Mavis
You go on and on in this bloated, egotistical self-delusion that because your own people are not afraid to warp the fabric of existence, that they are somehow superior to the fine peoples of Central Facehuggeria or my own homeland mentally. Fine, smarter you may be, but at least we are not patently insane enough to shake the foundations of existence itself like it was a child's toy.
Additionally, if you think you can do a better job at running this alliance - which, I might add, is a democracy, thus certain freedoms (read: of speech) exist - then why don't you join? The Security Council is not set in stone - the position rotates at regular intervals. Come, put your money where your mouth is, temporal deviant.

Valerio Yuval
Undersecretary of Foreign Relations
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I never claimed superiority. I simply pointed out that two nations in this alliance seem incapable of grasping simple concepts. I'm sure it's possible that it's just the people transmitting the message and that the average citizens are perfectly brilliant, but I can only work with what you give me. Perhaps instead of backhanded insults you could try thinking before sending a transmition.

"Shake the foundations of existance"? Oh dear. You really don't know what you're talking about, do you? Of course, it's not like the Illuminated Erisian Commune would be opposed to such a thing, being followers of the goddess of Discord and all, but that's beside the point. Temporal Technology will no more wipe out reality than, oh, FTL travel or giant spaceships with huge guns will. Honestly, do you do any research before you communicate?

I hardly need to join your alliance to exercise freedom of speech (and it seems we have considerably more of it than you do), especially since I am exercising that freedom right now. To be perfectly frank, with allies like you, I wouldn't need enemies. Besides, I prefer to socialize with civilized nations, and I'm afraid that your friend Facehuggeria falls well short of that mark.

Besides, we move through time, not interstellar space, so we're not exactly qualified. And, well, we have no desire to give away technological advantages, thank you very much.

Oh, and "temporal deviant" isn't the best way to woo a woman, you know. I may be a deviant, but I prefer it when people smile as they say it.

~Mavis

Presiding Security Council:
The Associated Systems of Klonor
The Human Imperium of Central Facehuggeria
The Imperium of Arenumberg
The Imperial Corporate Nautocracy of Arizona Nova
The Temporal Research Commission of Indra Prime



Is it not convenient that those on the ruling council are all ESUS members? I put it to you Klonor that this “alliance” is nothing more than a puppet extension of the ESUS, created to bring those who cannot pass, or be bothered to complete the initial roleplay test under your and the ESUS alliances thumb.

This alliance is just a mere extension of the Imperialist ESUS, and I caution all who join it.

By Ra, you know nothing do you? Every time you play with time, you change the presant, or the Future. Had Ra decided we could do such, he would not have made it so threatening. I would like to point out, just because you belive you are better then me. Ra Gave us our Brains to rise ABOVE the Tempations, to know when something should not be used, because of the darkness it sends out.

You are quite obviously not capable of Self control, you can not stop yourself from using a dangerous technology to further your own gains, shows that you have not the mental capacity to hold off from using it, and thus while you created amazing technology, you are not Sentinent, mearly clever animals. Thus Ra will not even judge you, and we can only hope you are allowed to rise above your station in the Next life.

Emperor Samuel II, Holder of the Flower of Terra, Overlord of the Terran Colonies

Valerio Yuval looked at the spew of messages continuing to pour onto his computer about the Galactic Alliance, and he sighed.
"So much idocy, so little time."
He began to type out responses, targeting the transmission from "Imperial Brits" first.



Presiding Security Council:
The Associated Systems of Klonor - No longer a member of ESUS
The Human Imperium of Central Facehuggeria - Senior Director of ESUS
The Imperium of Arenumberg - ESUS Member
The Imperial Corporate Nautocracy of Arizona Nova - ESUS Member
The Temporal Research Commission of Indra Prime - No longer a member of ESUSSo perhaps three out of five are ESUS and in the security council. What of it? It rotates, genius. If you asked the nation of Lessir Tsurani if is is an ESUS member the answer would be a vehement no. OHMKII is not ESUS. ESUS members just happened to be privy to the reformation of the Galactic Alliance before others, and because we like Klonor, we joined. In all truth most of the active ESUS members are not in this alliance as is. Check the facts before you slander.


I never claimed superiority. I simply pointed out that two nations in this alliance seem incapable of grasping simple concepts.Which sure sounds like you're making the former statement...

I'm sure it's possible that it's just the people transmitting the message and that the average citizens are perfectly brilliant, but I can only work with what you give me. Perhaps instead of backhanded insults you could try thinking before sending a transmition.
But it just isn't worth using that many neurons in concert to address your insults.

"Shake the foundations of existence"? Oh dear. You really don't know what you're talking about, do you? Of course, it's not like the Illuminated Erisian Commune would be opposed to such a thing, being followers of the goddess of Discord and all, but that's beside the point. Temporal Technology will no more wipe out reality than, oh, FTL travel or giant spaceships with huge guns will. Honestly, do you do any research before you communicate?Obviously, your people have had the luck to not have been tesseracted. Do you know what tesseraction is? Erasure, in all timelines. We've seen it done by mad captains of temporal vessels and corrupt states. We've seen it threatened by the same. Perhaps when some rogue captain rampages through your territories and leaves, well, nothing in his wake you will change your mind.

I hardly need to join your alliance to exercise freedom of speech (and it seems we have considerably more of it than you do), especially since I am exercising that freedom right now. To be perfectly frank, with allies like you, I wouldn't need enemies. Besides, I prefer to socialize with civilized nations, and I'm afraid that your friend Facehuggeria falls well short of that mark.Ah, insults and arrogance to mask cowardice. Such wordweaving is all too typical in the world of diplomacy, I fear. Do as you will then. Also, the United Nation's opinion of Arizona Nova's free speech hardly does it justice.

Besides, we move through time, not interstellar space, so we're not exactly qualified. And, well, we have no desire to give away technological advantages, thank you very much.Arrogance and cowardice, as before.

Oh, and "temporal deviant" isn't the best way to woo a woman, you know. I may be a deviant, but I prefer it when people smile as they say it.

~MavisI wasn't looking to woo anybody. Stop looking for sexual innuendo in diplomatic telegrams you oddball.

Valerio Yuval
Undersecretary of Foreign Relations
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By Ra, you know nothing do you? Every time you play with time, you change the presant, or the Future.Funny how that works. We were rather aware of that, yes. Then again, by writing this reply, I'm changing the future, so... that's less of a concern.

Oh, and how is Ra doing anyway?

Had Ra decided we could do such, he would not have made it so threatening.Not this old claptrap again. Nuclear power is "threatening" as well. So is driving a car, or hitting yourself in the head with a hammer. Why hasn't Ra banned all that too?

I would like to point out, just because you belive you are better then me. Ra Gave us our Brains to rise ABOVE the Tempations, to know when something should not be used, because of the darkness it sends out.Huh? Are you worshiping Egyptian gods or new-age nonsense? What darkness? We've found that our temporal devices send out quite a large amount of light. Seriously, it's just technology. No more or less harmful than anything else.

You are quite obviously not capable of Self control, you can not stop yourself from using a dangerous technology to further your own gainsHoney, if that was the case I would hop forward a few thousand years so that you'd be dead and unable to bother me. Or backwards in time and skip talking to this lot of people.

shows that you have not the mental capacity to hold off from using it, and thus while you created amazing technology, you are not Sentinent, mearly clever animals.Are you even listening to yourself? Please, if you're going to insult me at least take the time to have them make sense.

Thus Ra will not even judge you, and we can only hope you are allowed to rise above your station in the Next life.Lucky for me I'll be "judged" by Eris, hey?

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Which sure sounds like you're making the former statement...Perhaps just a little.

But it just isn't worth using that many neurons in concert to address your insults.Admission of inferiority accepted.

Obviously, your people have had the luck to not have been tesseracted. Do you know what tesseraction is? Erasure, in all timelines. We've seen it done by mad captains of temporal vessels and corrupt states. We've seen it threatened by the same. Perhaps when some rogue captain rampages through your territories and leaves, well, nothing in his wake you will change your mind.Have you been reading too many pulp novels?

Furthermore, if I was tesseracted, I wouldn't know it now would I? Nor would anybody else for that matter. Paradoxes are cute like that. Sounds to me like someone's sold you a line of bull and you bought it.

Ah, insults and arrogance to mask cowardice.Cowardice? I fail to see how shooting myself in the foot is an example of "bravery". Or is this just another one of your attempts at "wit"?


Besides, we move through time, not interstellar space, so we're not exactly qualified. And, well, we have no desire to give away technological advantages, thank you very much.Arrogance and cowardice, as before.Um... wha?

We have no space capabilities, the majority of our citizens live in a series of submarines scattered all over the world. I fail to see how arrogance or cowardice applies to either.

Our desire to own our own techological advances, again, doesn't strike me as either. Around here, we call that prudent.

I wasn't looking to woo anybody. Stop looking for sexual innuendo in diplomatic telegrams you oddball.As I mentioned, I prefer "deviant". "Oddball" is so... I dunno... it just doesn't seem very dignified, ya know?

Besides, you called me a deviant. Seemed like a chat up line to me. Different cultures I guess. Yours seems rather uptight.

~Mavis

Romana sat overlooking great plains of desert surrounding the capital, this whole area had once been lush rainforest, and before that, sea, and before that, desert once more. The Time Lords and Gallifreyan had long ago learnt to accept the gradual climate change that washed across their beloved home world at geological rates. A purring and a gentle press to the bottom of her shimmering golden robe alerted her to the presence of a small ball of fur and claws in her office.

The ginger house cat leapt up into her lap as she lifted her hands, padding across her lap, and letting out a soft meow. The slight, unconscious telepathy of her race told her of its contentment as it rolled onto her back. She wondered again, what had happened to her friend, the one who had introduced the species, in a reckless childhood prank, to Gallifrey.

Gently rubbing her manicured hand against the animal’s back, she flicked a switch on the armrest of the chair, and the window dulled, coming to life with the text of the most recent messages from her inconsistent efforts to goad wicked outsiders into aggression. Romana sighed gently scratching the cat behind the ears, drawing a slightly irate flick of one long furred ear.

Oh dear, she thought with an inward sigh, such ignorance. I suppose it’s all you can expect in the young. Eris, Ra and Various Other Ineffable Sky Pixies, she shook her head, dismissed the display, and went back to lavishing attention on the affectionate feline.

But it just isn't worth using that many neurons in concert to address your insults.Admission of inferiority accepted.Likewise is your admission of your megalomaniacal complex.

Obviously, your people have had the luck to not have been tesseracted. Do you know what tesseraction is? Erasure, in all timelines. We've seen it done by mad captains of temporal vessels and corrupt states. We've seen it threatened by the same. Perhaps when some rogue captain rampages through your territories and leaves, well, nothing in his wake you will change your mind.Have you been reading too many pulp novels?

Furthermore, if I was tesseracted, I wouldn't know it now would I? Nor would anybody else for that matter. Paradoxes are cute like that. Sounds to me like someone's sold you a line of bull and you bought it.
No, I've been watching the news. The Torontonian moon of Yonder, home to a few thousand civilian souls was tesseracted by rogue chronomancers not too long ago. Had they not been stopped, they would have turned their guns on a world of billions nearby. It sounds to me like you haven't advanced far enough in your own chronomancy to actually know how anything works, so you shouldn't be making comments on it either way.

Ah, insults and arrogance to mask cowardice.Cowardice? I fail to see how shooting myself in the foot is an example of "bravery". Or is this just another one of your attempts at "wit"?
Wit or truth, take your pick.

We have no space capabilities, the majority of our citizens live in a series of submarines scattered all over the world. I fail to see how arrogance or cowardice applies to either.*chuckle* Beware of depth charges then! If your entire civilization is confined to a bunch of steel tubes drifting in Terra's oceans, then why are you insulting an alliance which is a remote affair in relation to you anyway? Don't you have leaks to patch up, or something remotely constructive to do?

As I mentioned, I prefer "deviant". "Oddball" is so... I dunno... it just doesn't seem very dignified, ya know?Why do you think I demoted you?

Valerio Yuval
Undersecretary of Foreign Relations
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As per the request of the The Very Aggressive Space Empire of Outer Heaven MK II, and by the powers invested in the Imperial Corporate Nautocracy of Arizona Nova by the Security Council of the Galactic Alliance, we hereby forward the nomination of one 'Grand Admiral Anton Slavik' of the former for the position of High Admiral of the Alliance to the Alliance floor.

Anariel
Diplomat General, Advisor to the Empress
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Said nomination is accepted and hereby placed before the members of the Security Council for approval. Please cast your vote at this time.

OOC: And nobody wants to be the herald?

Oh, IB, I haven't been in the ESUS for months, going on years. I just happen to belong to their forums.

Speaking of which, our own forums are in a shocking amout of disuse (hint, hint)

Yay for Grand Admiral Anton Slavik.

I registered on the forums too, dash it all. You're so darn impatient Klonor! :P

OOC: Yeah, and you're a Mod, too, but I'm talking about the dozen other people who haven't signed up. I put hard work into that forum and they're letting it die! *tear* I hate you all! *sob*

OOC: Link to the forums?

It's in the second post (Where I have all the pertinent info) but, just for you, http://s13.invisionfree.com/Galactic_Alliance

OOC: Thanks, and Klonor, you're going to love me. Me and AN are going to do a brief RP on the Forum!

Oh, and put those paddles away, the Forum ain't dead yet...

Invanz, have you read and accepted the Constitution?

Fodmodmadtol, welcome to the Galactic Alliance.

Oh I see, you’re trying to bluster with some anaemic weapons you happen to possess to cover up your own terror. You are evidently far too afraid to back up your inane rhetoric about your ‘human supremacy,’ not that I blame you, but I expected more. I expected these mighty Übermensch. You’re more than willing to attack those unfortunates who are less powerful than you for no reason whatsoever beyond this juvenile fixation with antique philosophies, - you claim we are weaker than you, if that is so, why are your ‘mighty legions’ of ‘Imperial Knights’ not using their excessively compensatory and phallic guns to break my door down right now?

I suppose I should find the fact that your less than well thought out response is so obviously a shriek of pure terror on your side flattering, but unlike yourselves, I have no desire to attach my self worth to the showing off of ‘powerful’ weapons. Still, if you are so far superior, then I still must wonder, why are you not implementing your warped philosophies even now?

If our ‘boasts’ are so laughable to you, please, come and disprove them. I will note that I have hardly been using my words to try and dissuade you from aggression. I welcome you to attack us, as I have said, I do not issue you any warnings against action that you might take against us, I implore you to do so.

Obviously we puny aliens are far inferior to your hard, pulsing humanhood. Obviously your superior intellect has seen through our pathetic display, to see the real weakness beneath. We tremble in fear before the might of your excessively large infantry guns, and the building crushing monstrosities that are your ‘Bolos.’ Please don’t hurt us puny aliens, as our superior intellect is so obviously not a match for your puny weapons.

- Romanadvoratrelundar, Lady President of the High Council of Time Lords, Keeper of the Legacy of Rassilon, Defender of the Laws of Time, Protector of Gallifrey.

Again, we are not in the business of wasting our time. Crushing your nation would be such a waste. We would gain nothing. We would not eliminate a threat (for your obvious reluctance to back up your outlandish claims proves that you cannot), we would not gain valuable slaves, and we may lose a man or two due to laughing so hard at your 'power.'

We kill alien races for two reasons: Because they are either a threat to us, or would provide sport for us. Unless you provide proof to back up your statements, you are not the former. Nor are you the latter. From all we can tell of you now, your race is nothing more than a worm with delusions of grandeur. And we do not destroy worms merely for being worms.

Did the Titans take time from their war with the Gods to crush insects? No. Why should we, unless this insect was a threat, or would provide some meager entertainment? Again, from all we have seen (which proof of your assertions may change,) you aren't even worth the time it would take to kill you. Why should we bother to crush cockroaches when we have far more worthy foes to destroy?

Why should we bother to disprove your boasts when you cannot even prove them yourselves? You have provided no evidence or even quantification to your 'power,' when the burden of proof is upon your shoulders. Our proof is in the asteroid fields of dead planets. Our proof is in the cinders of novaed stars. Our proof is in the thousands of races we have personally erased from the face of the universe.

Where is yours?

-The Imperial 'Diplomatic' Corps.

“Oooh I’m sure I can find a way to interpret that as a request that we do something to him…”

“Lady president,” advised one of her advisors, the Chancellor of Time-Present, Theorasdavoramilonithene, a cultured woman with neatly cut black hair, “I hardly think that their bluster qualifies as ‘explicit permission for intervention in affairs.’”

Still stroking her cat, Romana grinned at Theoras, “I’m sure that it doesn’t, unless one’s being maliciously liberal with one’s interpretation.”

“Which we are?”

“Correct!” Romana grinned, “Now what can we do that is suitably impressive but not particularly taxing?”

“Kill them?” Theoras said bluntly.

“I was thinking of something that would let them learn from their mistakes…”

“Well, yes, but surely if we actually do something, they’ll wise up and run for the proverbial hills?”

Romana frowned, “I like their pretension, let’s mock it…” She flicked a switch, and began dictating another reply.

“If you are so eager for the writing of this ‘proof of power’ in stellar objects, I shall take your words as an explicit request for us to provide such proof in stellar phenomenon. If you disagree with this interpretation, I give you one rotation of the planet Earth to inform us…”

OOC: Stellar phenomenon? Like what? Supernovae and such? Creating black holes? Stellar phenomenon is a very broad topic after all. :p

Whoops, I just noticed I forgot my customary '-Imperial 'diplomatic' corps' tag at the end. *Fixes*

OOC: You'll see. Could I trouble you for details on Central Facehuggeria's home system?

OOC: You'll see. Could I trouble you for details on Central Facehuggeria's home system?

OOC: Sol. Specifically, the seat of the government is on Earth.

A transmission reaches the High Council of the GA:

[quote]Greetings, I am 001-M, leader of The Free Droid Miners. We are a sentient race of Mining Vessels that reside in the Universe you know Outer Heaven MK II to reside in. Outer Heaven MK II created I, but eventually set me free when the Mining Fleet they had was large enough. Since then, I moved into your Galaxy, and settled in a very remote and uninhabited Binary Star System, known as Gamma Delphias. I have existed for the time of twenty years, and since my time in this Galaxy, I have made Three Hundred and Ninety other Mining Vessels. We have decided to form a Nation, and explore this Galaxy for more resources to feed us. We are aware that being in an Alliance such as this will allow trade of Resources. I have read and accepted your Constitution and terms, and I await your response.

Also, we are not a war-like race, but we are ruthless is provoked. We also contain Sentinels in us, which are 'squid-like' machines, built for mining work, but double as ruthless war droids. They are a part of us, but are also self-sufficient and have their own voice.

Have a good day,
001-M
Leader of The Free Droid Miners

Theoras smiled, a day later, closing the gilded doors of the presidential audience chamber behind her, “We are ready Madame President.”

Romana smiled, idly playing with a golden sundial with the seal of Rassilon and no numerals upon its face “Excellent. You have implemented my instructions perfectly?”

“Perfectly, Madame President. The targeting data on the Opterra system has been extracted from the matrix and we are ready to begin, we await your authorisation.”

Romana smiled at Theoras, “Very well. You may begin.”

Theoras smiled, turning and striding out of the Presidential office.

As you have requested some evidence for your warped mindset that my ‘requests’ are worth your attention, I have provided. The system you call Opterra has been reconfigured as an example. It now forms a semi-stable Kemplerer Rosette (http://burtleburtle.net/bob/physics/kempler.html) with an estimated time until decay of seventy two thousand years.

Needless to say, we have not harmed any of your ‘citizens’ or victims in this system, and indeed, they should find orbital mechanics much easier in the future. Would you care for another example, or will that prove sufficient?

- Romanadvoratrelundar, 413th President of the High Council of Time Lords, Keeper of the Legacy of Rassilon, Defender of the Laws of Time, Protector of Gallifrey.

OOC: Actually, I'd like to know how you did that. Because in all my systems except some of the backwaters and Sol (which Opterra most certainly does not count as,) I've got uberized FTLi running 24/7. No interdimensional activities are possible, no temporal manipulation is possible... it basically locks space-time, preventing anything that bends the laws of physics [with very few exceptions; the main one being that already open wormholes will not collapse for some unknown IC reason] from functioning within its radius. Its radius being about a light minute from the system.

The only way my ships can get in and out is either fleet displacer gates that are always on (think: big honking orbiting stargate like devices,) or by coordinating with the planetary FTLi control to open up a minute gap in the field, enough for the ship to use its FTL, high-end power sources, high-end weapons, and so on. The latter is almost never used because of the sheer difficulty in opening a hole; it can take upwards of an hour for it to open enough for the ship to escape. Of course, ships can use their displacer-drives once the field is of sufficient weakness, which takes a bit less time, but civilian ships usually don't have displacer-drives on hand.

So, I OOCly need to know how you did what you did, so I can decide if it would have worked or not.

Of course, it doesn't matter that much given that I can simply move the planets back into position, but it's the OOC principle of the matter. If I start letting people do things to my system through my FTLi, it sets a dangerous precedent, since someone could claim to teleport bajillions of multi-exaton missiles onto my planets and ships.

The most glorious Lord Xemu's only response is one of shock and mild amusement. With some work, you will all make outstanding vassal states of the Galactic Confederacy in time.

~ First Class Sniveling Minion Chief-Minion

OOC: My only response is one of shock and mild amusement.

The Free Droid Miners, welcome to the Galactic Alliance.

Likewise is your admission of your megalomaniacal complex.Megalomaniacal? Nah. I don't think I'm better than everyone else. Just you, sweetie.

No, I've been watching the news.Except that if it was earased from all time peroids, you'd have no memory of it ever existing, thus, it still exists somewhere. Thus, it's a simple matter of skipping through time and fixing things.

It sounds to me like you haven't advanced far enough in your own chronomancy to actually know how anything works, so you shouldn't be making comments on it either way.Says the person too afraid to use said tech to the person who uses it. Cute.

*chuckle* Beware of depth charges then!Of course. Just like people on land need to beware tornadoes, earthquakes, tsunami or whatever, depending on their location.

If your entire civilization is confined to a bunch of steel tubes drifting in Terra's oceans, then why are you insulting an alliance which is a remote affair in relation to you anyway?Because of the staggering arrogance and ignorance displayed by members of said group?

Don't you have leaks to patch up, or something remotely constructive to do?If that was my job, probably. Since I'm not a manual laborer or an engineer, I don't have to worry about it. Don't you have some shield maintenence to perform or something?

Why do you think I demoted you?Because you think insults are an acceptable alternative to thought out replies?

~Mavis

For your Infomation, Ra Is very well, He and I have spoken ((It was about a Month ago I belive)) and made the agreements. And No, we do not worship Egyption Mythology, we worship Ra, Lord of the Stars. Those the Egyptions belived as gods where mearly Lesser Beings, what you would know as Angels.

As for the Debate on Temporal Technology, consider it, we may give you basic points, but this seems nessersary, as you do not consider these facts yourself. Why did we point out you change the future? Because you seem so willing to destroy so many lives, to eradicate entire time lines just so you can use your God Forsaken Technology. Why must you play with things that are not ment to be played with? Is your confidence in yourselves so little that you must compenstate with technology? True we are of this to, but we do not play with those that are to tear apart space and time.

Why not instead of delving into things that could destroy this entire Galaxy, which is quite possible, do not deny this, delve into the study of the Arts, or to play a role in our own universe, instead of getting rid of problems with your technology.

Emperor Samuel II, Holder of the Flower of Terra, Overlord of the Terran Colonies.

OOC: If you must know how this was achieved, it was done using the remote application of force via quasi-conventional means. In essence its one implausibly gigantic tractor beam that propagates through the shortest path in five dimensions. Assuming that your shield would stop it (not entirely likely, given that this shield is obviously not perfect, and that that by preventing ‘time travel,’ you would have put the whole system in stasis for all eternity) the Absurdly Big and Uber Stellar Engineering (henceforth referred to as ABUSE) tool would just reduce itself to three (well, four) paltry dimensions at the edge of the field, and start yanking your planets around at 0.99 C.

What’s more, just to be really twinky, it was a net-energy-gain operation for the Time Lords. By moving the outer, bigger planets and their moons closer to the sun, their systems absorbed a massive amount of excess kinetic and gravitational potential energy. A small amount of that was used to move the inner planets into the ring, and the rest converted to electrical potential energy (don’t ask) and shall power their domestic grids for a while. How this horror works with conservation of momentum I hear you ask? Well, big portions of the Opterran Oort cloud are going to hit the sun relatively soon. What about all that energy needed to shift your planets into ninety nine PSL? Well, the ABUSE tool did use some initial outlay of energy, but it got it all back when it slowed them down again, and some extra, as described above.

OOC:
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OOC:
Being able to pull something like that off remotly sounds rather godmodish; I do hope you remembered to ballance your technologies.

OOC:
Being able to pull something like that off remotly sounds rather godmodish; I do hope you remembered to ballance your technologies.

OOC: Of course its godmoddery. I would point you to the 'NS Wiki's' article on 'Wank-power optimum.' Or I could ask how anyone here is 'ballanced' but I'd rather just point out that the fact that the Time Lords aren't (traditionally, excepting the likes of the War Master and the Master) actually prepared to kill anyone with the exception of a few of their own criminals is rather a balancing factor.

OOC: Of course its godmoddery. I would point you to the 'NS Wiki's' article on 'Wank-power optimum.' Or I could ask how anyone here is 'ballanced' but I'd rather just point out that the fact that the Time Lords aren't (traditionally, excepting the likes of the War Master and the Master) actually prepared to kill anyone with the exception of a few of their own criminals is rather a balancing factor.

OOC:
*assuming this is the same player with a different account*

So you ballance through motivations? And what if you cheese CF's government off and they decide to go after you? Will they have to counter-techwank to stand any chance, or could they win through sound tactics and force of arms?



Oh, by the way, didn't we have an RP arranged around 2 months ago, with your puppet Lord Atum? You TG'd me saying that you'd start the thread the next day - after that, nothing, and several attempts to contact you went unanswered.

OOC: If you must know how this was achieved, it was done using the remote application of force via quasi-conventional means. In essence its one implausibly gigantic tractor beam that propagates through the shortest path in five dimensions.

Five dimensions. FTLi prevents interdimensional interaction. Interesting.

Assuming that your shield would stop it (not entirely likely, given that this shield is obviously not perfect, and that that by preventing ‘time travel,’ you would have put the whole system in stasis for all eternity)

No, the shield prevents temporal manipulation. Meaning it forces time to flow one way, ahead.

the Absurdly Big and Uber Stellar Engineering (henceforth referred to as ABUSE) tool would just reduce itself to three (well, four) paltry dimensions at the edge of the field, and start yanking your planets around at 0.99 C.

Which is borderline godmoding. But I'll accept it.

What’s more, just to be really twinky, it was a net-energy-gain operation for the Time Lords. By moving the outer, bigger planets and their moons closer to the sun, their systems absorbed a massive amount of excess kinetic and gravitational potential energy. A small amount of that was used to move the inner planets into the ring, and the rest converted to electrical potential energy (don’t ask) and shall power their domestic grids for a while. How this horror works with conservation of momentum I hear you ask? Well, big portions of the Opterran Oort cloud are going to hit the sun relatively soon. What about all that energy needed to shift your planets into ninety nine PSL? Well, the ABUSE tool did use some initial outlay of energy, but it got it all back when it slowed them down again, and some extra, as described above.

My OOC mind is telling me to ignore you for godmoding, but my desire to stay in character is telling me to invade you, subjugate your people, and destroy all your temporal technology.

I would really like to hear how you can have this technology with only eight hundred million people and in imploded economy. Further, I would like to know OOCly if this is just the beginning of the twink, and if I'll thus have to countertwink should I invade you.

OOC: I would note that your argument is not sound. How do you have death stars firepower on every ship with a mere 3.916 billion population and a frightening economy, when say, Der Angst has a population of 5.494 billion a frightening economy, and far superior rankings to you, and doesn’t claim such uberness? It’s exactly the same principle that lets you blast planets to relativistic fragments, just applied to someone else. In actuality, the Gallifreyan population would be around a million or so, with Time Lords (you have to earn that rank after all) being in the thousands or so.

“Five dimensions. FTLi prevents interdimensional interaction.” – Am I to take it that your nation is a single line not possessed of time, width, or height? I do not think so. While your shielding may provide limited protection against ‘portals’ into the warp, B5 hyperspace and the like, it will not prevent inter-dimensional interaction in the way you claim.

It’s quite simple, once you get out of modern-tech, the statistics fail to accurately represent your nation. What you RP as technology is what is accepted as ‘what you have.’ There is no way you can justify having planet killers. What’s more, you tool around shooting 1e38 J blasts, enough to accelerate an earth-like planet to six PSL instantly. The ABUSE tool is actually not significantly more powerful than this, it simply applies this energy in what appears to be a far more benign way. What’s more, the ABUSE tool, unlike your weapons, doesn’t actually spend its energy, it merely loans it in the form of KE to its targets. In this respect, despite being a more sophisticated employment of energy, it is not inherently more wanktastic than the devices you use.

The economy of LoG is of course, screwed for one very good reason, namely that the game-engine is not designed to represent future-tech nations with (near) post-scarcity economics. “Gold deposit – leave it where it is, make more” is not exactly an option on most of the issues now is it?

As for counterwank in invading the Time Lords, no, not really necessary, Gallifrey was, canonically, taken over by less advanced enemies on at least two occasions. What is necessary is an adequate mastery of tactics, an area in which the Time Lords are very deficient. And of course, if you ignore me, well, I suppose that’s your prerogative, but it doesn’t gel with your previously stated views on how people should act when confronted with technologically sophisticated opponents now does it?

"I think your weapons are too powerful"

Tough cookies for you. It's not my fault you're fighting a Militaristic, Xenocidal Human Empire that happens to like massive explosions.

If you’re not prepared to eat your own tough cookies, there’s not much I can do now is there? It’s not my fault you’re fighting a peace-loving opponent with near-complete mastery over space and time that doesn’t like killing people. :P

OOC:
*assuming this is the same player with a different account*

Remember, when you assume, you make an ass out of you and me.

So you ballance through motivations? And what if you cheese CF's government off and they decide to go after you? Will they have to counter-techwank to stand any chance, or could they win through sound tactics and force of arms?

In the source material, the Time Lords are rather reluctant to kill anyone. Before Faction Paradox's twinkery, they never even considered genocide. I see no reason to assume they'd even kill anything of CFs if he attacked them and didn't counterwank.

Oh, by the way, didn't we have an RP arranged around 2 months ago, with your puppet Lord Atum? You TG'd me saying that you'd start the thread the next day - after that, nothing, and several attempts to contact you went unanswered.

Meh.

OOC: Guys, I think this is starting to get a bit to heated, I'm beginning to see OOC problems sprining up here. I think we all need to just take a deep breath and calm down, or we're going to be dragged somewhere we don't want to go.

Eh? I see nothing heated in the words floating around.

OOC: Okay, 'heated' might have been the wrong word (for it does imply flames that aren't here), but I'm seeing people beginning to get ready to start yelling "Godmod!" and "That's wank!" and other stuff that will pretty much drag this thread down the toilet.

OOC: I would note that your argument is not sound. How do you have death stars firepower on every ship with a mere 3.916 billion population and a frightening economy, when say, Der Angst has a population of 5.494 billion a frightening economy, and far superior rankings to you, and doesn’t claim such uberness?

Because, ultimately, I have balanced my uberness with a crippling set of disadvantages. So my ships can put out planet-destroying firepower. I only have twelve of them, and most of those are in use elsewhere. So my troops are strong; most of them are used trying to keep order on my core worlds. The number I have available for an offensive war is less than two million.

And of course, there's the fact that a major part of my uberness comes from plot-device grade weapons that I don't use in a normal RP, only when I've got the other person's permission. Hence why, if I invaded you, I wouldn't blast your planet apart unless you said it was okay OOCly.

DA on the other hand merely perfers to avoid Uberness altogether. And that's his perrogative. If he chose to have planetkillers and he balanced it, I wouldn't have a problem. My problem with your tech here is that it's of the same cloth as 'I move your planets into the sun, you die.' From what you say, there's no way to stop it. There seems to be no way to respond to it except 'Oh noes! I die!'

Perhaps if it was counterable, I would think more highly of it. But when you just go and move a planet or two without letting me try to stop it or respond...

It’s exactly the same principle that lets you blast planets to relativistic fragments, just applied to someone else.

You would have a point had I agreed to this OOCly. I only blast player planets to relativistic fragments when I ask the player and he/she agrees.

It’s quite simple, once you get out of modern-tech, the statistics fail to accurately represent your nation. What you RP as technology is what is accepted as ‘what you have.’

Aye.

There is no way you can justify having planet killers.

You just contradicted yourself. You said that "What you RP as technology is accepted as 'what you have'" and then just said that I can't have something despite the fact that I RP having it.

What’s more, you tool around shooting 1e38 J blasts, enough to accelerate an earth-like planet to six PSL instantly.

Difference being of course that my 1e38 joule blasts can't strike a target from outside a solar system. I'm not objecting to the power involved here, I'm objecting to the fact that you can do this in one scarcely detailed post that doesn't even give me an oppertunity to counter it. I'm objecting to the fact that you can do this from the safety of your own star system, basically preventing any retribution if you destroyed your enemies in the first attack.

My ships have to be right up within range of the planet they wish to destroy. (That range being around 60,000 kilometers.) To move a planet, you apparently only have to be within the same galaxy. That's what I consider unfair.

The ABUSE tool is actually not significantly more powerful than this, it simply applies this energy in what appears to be a far more benign way. What’s more, the ABUSE tool, unlike your weapons, doesn’t actually spend its energy, it merely loans it in the form of KE to its targets. In this respect, despite being a more sophisticated employment of energy, it is not inherently more wanktastic than the devices you use.

No, you don't understand. It's not the power that makes it unfair in my eyes. It's the range combined fact that it basically ignores any defenses present.

The economy of LoG is of course, screwed for one very good reason, namely that the game-engine is not designed to represent future-tech nations with (near) post-scarcity economics. “Gold deposit – leave it where it is, make more” is not exactly an option on most of the issues now is it?

I can accept this.

As for counterwank in invading the Time Lords, no, not really necessary, Gallifrey was, canonically, taken over by less advanced enemies on at least two occasions.

Yeah, but from what C'Tan says, they also had a major problem with killing their foes. Do you?

If you’re not prepared to eat your own tough cookies, there’s not much I can do now is there? It’s not my fault you’re fighting a peace-loving opponent with near-complete mastery over space and time that doesn’t like killing people. :P

I don't mind the actual moving of my planets. What I don't like is doing it through any defenses I have, in one post. That doesn't give me a chance to respond.

OOC: CF, can you come onto MSN please?

OOC: Nonsense. Your uberness is so balanced by your only having twelve capital starships? The fact that each one has the combined firepower of say, the Galactic Empire from Star Wars, escapes your notice. How is this in any way more ‘balanced’ than my stuff? Barring that it’s less powerful, which is of course, simple hypocrisy.

Can the technology be stopped? Yes, of course, and its effects, given that they’re non-destructive, can be undone. As for it being done in one post, hardly. Of course they could put out vastly more hurt than they’re going to. Yes, they could use the same technology to drop you down a sun. Though of course, there’d have to be some particularly insane pressures on them to drive them to such uncreative measures.

As for

You just contradicted yourself. You said that "What you RP as technology is accepted as 'what you have'" and then just said that I can't have something despite the fact that I RP having it.

Bingo. You can’t justify it if I can’t. Earlier in this very thread I seem to recall being threatened, repeatedly, with supernovae and planetary dissemination. Then CF demanded some form of proof, and it was provided. Your posts were practically begging for some form of demonstration, and you don’t think that counts as consent.

‘I will rant and rave about blowing planets up, but if anyone else does something comparable, I shall refuse to give them any permission to interact with me.’ Honestly. As for your comments about the range of your vessels - your ships actually do destroy planets. I have no intention of meteing out such destruction, ever. See a difference in effective power here? Which one is more able to disrupt a nation? Shoving it around a bit, or blasting it into quintillions of pieces?

As for defences, remind me, what defences do you need against a completely non-destructive intervention? I might have allowed time for defences, if I was actually doing anything you needed defence from[I].

Yeah, but from what C'Tan says, they also had a major problem with killing their foes. Do you?

Essentially, yes. They are the proverbial ‘good guys’ while they’re quite capable of destroying things, they have no reason to do such things to anyone who isn’t about to destroy them. If given a better option, they take it – and their colossal wankery garuntees that they’ll almost always have a better option.

*stares balefully*

OOC: Erm, CF can actually have Superweapon tech, simply because he's had the time to research it (And put most of his efforts to researching the Tech). My Mining Vessels use Superlasers to destroy asteroids and planets, and ahrvest their resources. Godmod? Not really. I've researched the tech, I only have a few of these Vessels, and I'm old enough. You aren't even a year old yet. I only recently got into the Superweaponry business, and I can move planets with a combined force, but do what you've done? While some of your evidence is plausable, I can't imagine a nation that isn't even a year old doing this.

Central is at least a year ahead of you. He can do this stuff because he kills for a living. He is an Xenocidal maniac, who has wiped out many races in his time. Youve stated that you're race hasn't even gotten into the business of genocide yet. I mean, c'mon, CF has more plausable reasons for being able to do such things, than you.

Just my two cents.

OOC: They're isolationists Which would be why, IC, they haven't done anything. As for age, as usual, you neglect to recall that this (forum based FT) game works entirely on what you claim to have, not the game statistics say you have. Experience in genocide would be relevent if I wished to preform genocide. Harmless stellar engineering is not genocide.

.:ooc:. One thing our 'friends' don't seem to realize that arguing this point, in this thread, is only bumping it up again and again, thus giving us free publicity without having to do all the legwork by ourselves, so thanks you guys. As is, the clowns have yet to put down any arguments better than what Menelmacar had at the beginning of the thread (and which were still accounted for by Klonor), and have resorted to nitpicking on individuals. Here is some sage advice:

If you don't like it, don't RP with it. Duh.

OOC: Excuse me? I'm not saying anything about your alliance, positive or negative OOC.

OOC: Nonsense. Your uberness is so balanced by your only having twelve capital starships? The fact that each one has the combined firepower of say, the Galactic Empire from Star Wars, escapes your notice.

No, it doesn't escape my notice. It does however add a weakness. A rather obvious one that I shouldn't even have to point out.

Besides, the planet-destroying weapons aren't usable against normally scaled ships, only worldships and the like. And my lesser weapons can't take that amount of energy going through their systems at once. In effect, my ships have far less firepower than the combined fleet of the SW Galactic Empire. It's just the plot-device grade planet killer that boosts the firepower up by orders of magnitude.

Combined firepower is equal to the SWGE. Effective firepower is signifigantly less.

How is this in any way more ‘balanced’ than my stuff? Barring that it’s less powerful, which is of course, simple hypocrisy.

Simple. My ships, for all their firepower, can't strike targets outside the system with any degree of force. They also do not ignore enemy defenses. Your planet mover apparently can.

If I ackgnowledge one person with weapons that can do what your planet mover does, what's to prevent another person, someone with less IC morals, from doing the same? What's to prevent someone from saying 'I move your planets into a sun and there's nothing you can do about it! You ignore me? But you didn't ignore the Lords of Gallifrey!'


Can the technology be stopped?

How then? Because from where I'm OOCly sitting, you can *somehow* manipulate things in other systems, but the only way to do this (in a reasonable timeframe) that I can think of would be to rely upon some sort of FTL propagating tractor beam.

Yes, of course, and its effects, given that they’re non-destructive, can be undone.

And if they should ever choose to make them destructive...

As for it being done in one post, hardly.

Ahh, two posts then. Neither of them particularly detailed from an OOC standpoint. More detail would have made this pill easier to swallow.

Bingo. You can’t justify it if I can’t. Earlier in this very thread I seem to recall being threatened, repeatedly, with supernovae and planetary dissemination.

Actually, they weren't threatening you so much as trying to intimidate you. And I'm not saying that it's unjustifiable, just that it's unfair since it looks uncounterable from where I'm sitting.

Then CF demanded some form of proof, and it was provided. Your posts were practically begging for some form of demonstration, and you don’t think that counts as consent.

ICly I wanted proof. OOCly I didn't want something that ignores whatever defenses I have in place and does not give me a chance to counter. Powerful my ships may be, but I always try to be fair in their use.

‘I will rant and rave about blowing planets up, but if anyone else does something comparable, I shall refuse to give them any permission to interact with me.’

Did you even read what I posted? I object to the fact that from where I'm sitting, this ability seems grossly unfair. It apparently ignores any defenses the target has, is thus-far unstoppable, as well as being long ranged so that I have no chance to retaliate against the guys who did it without going to your planet and attacking.

If you say, had to bring a ship outside the system to do it, I would be far less disgusted.

Honestly. As for your comments about the range of your vessels - your ships actually do destroy planets. I have no intention of meteing out such destruction, ever.

Red herring. I'm not arguing against the power levels involved here. I'm arguing against the unfair range. Speak all you want of my powerful weapons, but all of them force my units to be in harm's way.

As for defences, remind me, what defences do you need against a completely non-destructive intervention?

Defenses that prevent your planets from being moved against your will perhaps?

I might have allowed time for defences, if I was actually doing anything you needed defence from[I].

You know what they say about assumptions. You're changing one of my systems against my will. Why wouldn't I need defenses from what is basically planetjacking? :p

Essentially, yes. They are the proverbial ‘good guys’ while they’re quite capable of destroying things, they have no reason to do such things to anyone who isn’t about to destroy them. If given a better option, they take it – and their colossal wankery garuntees that they’ll almost always have a better option.

Okay.

No, it doesn't escape my notice. It does however add a weakness. A rather obvious one that I shouldn't even have to point out.
And this nation has some rather crippling weaknesses, you just don’t know what they are yet, though. I know, C’tan knows too, but I’m not quite ready to advertise them, but I’ll give you a clue even IC, the biggest ‘weaknesses’ are fairly easy to work out. Think of it from the IC perspective. Why haven’t they just attacked you if they hate you so much? The only Time Lord that has both the motive and means to do so is Omega, and I have other plans for him… Not that you’re not welcome to get involved in that, once I post it, it’d probably be rather interesting, given your society.
Besides, the planet-destroying weapons aren't usable against normally scaled ships, only worldships and the like. And my lesser weapons can't take that amount of energy going through their systems at once. In effect, my ships have far less firepower than the combined fleet of the SW Galactic Empire. It's just the plot-device grade planet killer that boosts the firepower up by orders of magnitude.

Combined firepower is equal to the SWGE. Effective firepower is signifigantly less.
Good to know that CF is too foolish to consider the simple principle of blowing things up with bombs.
Simple. My ships, for all their firepower, can't strike targets outside the system with any degree of force. They also do not ignore enemy defenses. Your planet mover apparently can. If I ackgnowledge one person with weapons that can do what your planet mover does, what's to prevent another person, someone with less IC morals, from doing the same? What's to prevent someone from saying 'I move your planets into a sun and there's nothing you can do about it! You ignore me? But you didn't ignore the Lords of Gallifrey!'
You need no reason to ignore whoever the hell you like. You could ignore people for having a mis-spelt name. Indeed, I toughly expect you to ignore me, in any case. I would indeed, be rather astonished (and immensely impressed) if you didn’t do so.
And if they should ever choose to make them destructive...
Which is massively unlikely.
Actually, they weren't threatening you so much as trying to intimidate you. And I'm not saying that it's unjustifiable, just that it's unfair since it looks uncounterable from where I'm sitting.
That would be the idea, though whether or not it is un-counter-able is purely up to the extent you’re willing to extract things from your ass at a moment’s notice. Not that it matters much, given that this is likely the last appearance of the ‘ABUSE’ device anyway. It’s not exactly a one shot thing, but it’s rather banal to use one plot device over and over.
ICly I wanted proof. OOCly I didn't want something that ignores whatever defenses I have in place
Of which, your previous posts mention none.
and does not give me a chance to counter.
As you have yet to respond, you are still able to post a counter-action.
Powerful my ships may be, but I always try to be fair in their use. Did you even read what I posted? I object to the fact that from where I'm sitting, this ability seems grossly unfair. It apparently ignores any defenses the target has, is thus-far unstoppable, as well as being long ranged so that I have no chance to retaliate against the guys who did it without going to your planet and attacking.

If you say, had to bring a ship outside the system to do it, I would be far less disgusted.

You assume they didn’t. For all you (or indeed, I) know they may have done so.
Red herring. I'm not arguing against the power levels involved here. I'm arguing against the unfair range. Speak all you want of my powerful weapons, but all of them force my units to be in harm's way.
Which of course, for all I know, may be true of the ABUSE item. Though it is highly unlikely.
Defenses that prevent your planets from being moved against your will perhaps?
Not only have I read up on you and found nothing to say that you have such defences, you will observe, if you actually read the post in question, that you are quite free to whip up some sudden defence without any form of preparation or foreknowledge. They sent a message saying it had been done, assuming that it had been. The post didn’t say anything about what happened to your planets from a narrator-perspective.
You know what they say about assumptions. You're changing one of my systems against my will. Why wouldn't I need defenses from what is basically planetjacking? :p
Why would you have developed them, given that this has, to my knowledge, never happened before to anyone on NS? If I’d seen anything in your posts or background material to suggest that you have a defence (an option which is still available to you) I would have most likely chosen a different form of ‘demonstration’ anyway.

In any case, this grows tiresome, will you respond IC or should I go and occupy my time somewhere else?

OOC:

You need no reason to ignore whoever the hell you like.

It is true that you can Ignore someone at a whim for any reason you like, but doing so reflects badly in the eyes of others, and tends to make people who see this wary of RPing with you lest you decide to ignore them in the middle of an RP if things don't go your way - thus, it's generally a good idea to be consistant, lest you find yourself playing the part of a hypocrite.

Good to know that CF is too foolish to consider the simple principle of blowing things up with bombs.

Bombs are so... bland. :p

Besides, the kind of reactors that produce the 1E32 joule yields are big and time-consuming to construct. Much easier to use conventional weapons in missiles and save the big planetary destruction for a rechargable beam-weapon.

You need no reason to ignore whoever the hell you like. You could ignore people for having a mis-spelt name. Indeed, I toughly expect you to ignore me, in any case. I would indeed, be rather astonished (and immensely impressed) if you didn’t do so.

Aye, but I really don't like ignoring people. Hence why you still aren't on my ignore list yet.

Which is massively unlikely.That would be the idea, though whether or not it is un-counter-able is purely up to the extent you’re willing to extract things from your ass at a moment’s notice.

I see. So basically, to counter this, you need to rely on ass-spatial technology? :(

Of which, your previous posts mention none.

The only attack on one of my 'core' systems was Gehenna during the ESUS civil war, and that lacked any form of defense grid save a few automated turrets. I've had no need to get off my lazy rear and publish the defenses present in my systems.

As you have yet to respond, you are still able to post a counter-action.

That I am, but I'm not in the habit of pulling technology out of my ass to counter something I don't like. I am however in the habit of trying to be doubly sure that my normal defenses would not counter it before making any sort of IC post.

You assume they didn’t. For all you (or indeed, I) know they may have done so.

If they had, I probably would have detected it, or you probably would have mentioned it in narration. :p

Not only have I read up on you and found nothing to say that you have such defences,

You'll notice that you'll find nothing on my defenses. That's because I've never been attacked in any of my systems (save Gehenna, which at the time didn't have any defense systems at all.) I'll write up defenses when my systems are actually attacked. :p

you will observe, if you actually read the post in question, that you are quite free to whip up some sudden defence without any form of preparation or foreknowledge.

Aye, but again, I'm not in the habit of invoking ass-space when things don't go my way.

Why would you have developed them, given that this has, to my knowledge, never happened before to anyone on NS?

No, I was meaning that I thought that my normal defenses [FTLi] would have stopped this. But I don't really care any more.

In any case, this grows tiresome, will you respond IC or should I go and occupy my time somewhere else?

As soon as I figure out a way to escape the natural IC reaction of invading your planet with overwhelming force. Because I really don't OOCly want a war that could drag on. I'm behind on three other threads that are all vying for my attention.

And we have a new High Admiral: Marcus Sokun of the Temporal Research Commission of Indra Prime

Congratulations!

OOC:That I am, but I'm not in the habit of pulling technology out of my ass to counter something I don't like.

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I'll write up defenses when my systems are actually attacked.These two statements seem to be diametric opposites.

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No, we do not worship Egyption Mythology, we worship Ra, Lord of the Stars. Those the Egyptions belived as gods where mearly Lesser Beings, what you would know as Angels.Semantics.

Why did we point out you change the future? Because you seem so willing to destroy so many lives, to eradicate entire time lines just so you can use your God Forsaken Technology.Ah, fanatics.

Everything changes the future, child. If I eat a burrito, I have changed the future (most likely by increasing the amount of time I spend in the bathroom). If I don't eat it, then the future is also changed. Whining about changing the future is just silly, as the future is always in flux. I could skip ahead a year today, and then do it again tomorrow and there will likely be a change, especially if I bring something back with me. But since the future hasn't happened yet, who cares? It's not like they'll notice anyway.

Why must you play with things that are not ment to be played with? Is your confidence in yourselves so little that you must compenstate with technology? True we are of this to, but we do not play with those that are to tear apart space and time.You don't? Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't one of your own allies gleefully erradicate non-humans? I fail to see how me skipping back in time to watch an event unfold is more damaging than blowing up planets in a fit of genocidal insanity. Your sense of right and wrong is dangerously skewed.

The compensation comment is amusing though, but I've found that it's typically males that feel the need to compensate. Lacking a penis, I feel no need to build a giant space ship to make up for length and/or girth, or lack thereof.

Besides, we're not the ones making "temporal weapons". That's the nutters that have signed onto the Temporal Accords. Please do your research.

Why not instead of delving into things that could destroy this entire Galaxy, which is quite possible, do not deny this, delve into the study of the Arts, or to play a role in our own universe, instead of getting rid of problems with your technology.Ah, appeal to ignorance. Cute.

Ships that can destroy planets are far more likely to destroy the galaxy than temporal technology. Personally, I really don't understand how you think I could destroy the galaxy. It's not like I can move the universe forward. Sure, I could move myself forward to the heat death of the universe, but that would only screw myself, not anyone else.

"Study art"? What the Hell do you think we do with it? While non-temporal scholars look at ruins and wonder what the temple might have looked like, we skip back in time to see it in its heyday. While archeologists look at fossils and try to guess what a critter looked like, we go back and observe them in their habitat. While climetologists try to guess the affects of a given tech, we skip forward and look.

And now I'll turn your argument back on you. Why don't you give up your space technology? Turn to the arts or play a role in our own planet instead of galavanting across the galaxy and using your tech to run away from your problems.

~Mavis

.:ooc:. Er... what the hell. Was that last post all OOC, or OOC behind the line and IC after? If so, mark it as such. If it was all OOC, then why were you OOCly responding to an IC Tsurani transmission?

.:ooc:. Er... what the hell. Was that last post all OOC, or OOC behind the line and IC after? If so, mark it as such. If it was all OOC, then why were you OOCly responding to an IC Tsurani transmission?It was occ above the line (as marked) and IC below the line. It was simply a line-by-line reply. I assume Mavis is replying to it like it's an e-mail or other textual message.

I also assumed that indenting and separating was enough. Guess I was wrong...

Besides, we're not the ones making "temporal weapons". That's the nutters that have signed onto the Temporal Accords. Please do your research.Oh? I think I shall inform them of this immediately. While we despise the Temporal Accord, at least they try to regulate the whole affair.
"Study art"? What the Hell do you think we do with it? While non-temporal scholars look at ruins and wonder what the temple might have looked like, we skip back in time to see it in its heyday. While archeologists look at fossils and try to guess what a critter looked like, we go back and observe them in their habitat. While climetologists try to guess the affects of a given tech, we skip forward and look.You fool. Admitting this openly in an intergalactic forum (in the same message saying that you have not even signed the Accord) is enough cause for us to declare unending war upon you and your infernal chronomancy until it is completely annihalated. What if you're discovered in the past? Whats to stop this technology from being stolen by less scrupulous people and applied to destructive ends? May the very memory of your people be erased!You don't? Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't one of your own allies gleefully erradicate non-humans? I fail to see how me skipping back in time to watch an event unfold is more damaging than blowing up planets in a fit of genocidal insanity. Your sense of right and wrong is dangerously skewed.They don't blow up the planets unless the situation demands it. They prefer eradicating or enslaving them first, then using or harvesting the planet as needed. I fail so see any sanity in skipping back in time, watching or no.

May your works be razed and your fields salted,

Valerio Yuval
Undersecretary of Foreign Relations
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OOC:These two statements seem to be diametric opposites.

OOC: I phrased that wrong. I've got my defenses written down in a notebook by my chair, but not typed into my big word file o' doom. Instead of write, I should have said type. It means the same thing either way, but type would have made it clearer.

Real nice of you to jump to conclusions though. But, you know what they say about assumptions.

OOC:OOC: I phrased that wrong. I've got my defenses written down in a notebook by my chair, but not typed into my big word file o' doom. Instead of write, I should have said type. It means the same thing either way, but type would have made it clearer.Ah. Of course, that's a little hard to prove, but... meh. Not my concern.

Real nice of you to jump to conclusions though. But, you know what they say about assumptions.Yes, LoG pointed that out to you. However, it wasn't an unreasonable assumption on my part as you admit that you phrased it wrong. Furthermore, I crouched my comment in "seems", which means I wasn't sure if they were or not. Nice try though.

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Oh? I think I shall inform them of this immediately. While we despise the Temporal Accord, at least they try to regulate the whole affair.It's right there in the missive talking about the charter. Gives descriptions of the weapons and everything. I seem to recall Indra Prime being quite proud of their temporal weaponry. Christ, am I the only one around here who looks things up?

You fool. Admitting this openly in an intergalactic forum (in the same message saying that you have not even signed the Accord) is enough cause for us to declare unending war upon you and your infernal chronomancy until it is completely annihalated.You're a dense one, aren't you? You're going to declare war on an foe who can skip through time? What, pray tell, will you do when we skip ahead a few years? Or a dozen? Or a century? How long will your citizens put up with such a pig headed government? Will your armies sit around growling menacingly while you wait for us to reappear?

As for the Accord, we most certainly will not sign that odious piece of nonsense. We develop our technology as we see fit, not based on what some bullies think we should do. No such restrictions exist for any other form of technology. What would you say if some massive nation forbade you from developing some kind of space-based tech? Or if one nation told another that they weren't "allowed" to have nuclear reactors? Stuff and nonsense. The Accord can sit and spin for all we care, howling in the dark their worthless proclimations.

And, please, don't call it "chronomancy"; it just makes you look ignorant. I'm not some sorceress in a pointy hat, casting spells.

What if you're discovered in the past?Never heard of active camo, huh? We're not idiots here.

Whats to stop this technology from being stolen by less scrupulous people and applied to destructive ends?Please. What's to stop planet-destroying weapons from being stolen by less scrupulous people and applied to destructive... oh, wait... there isn't a peaceful application for such technology.

To answer your concerns: security. No, I'm not going to give you details, but it's not like we publish how to do this sort of thing.

May the very memory of your people be erased!You are more than welcome to forget about me.

They don't blow up the planets unless the situation demands it.HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

No, not done.

HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!

Hm. Little more.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Are you seriously defending genocide? Did you every pause to think about the affects to a system when a planet is destroyed? The effects on the local gravity wells? The disasterous affects on all the other planets in the system? If you want to talk about something having monumental affects on the rest of the universe, look to planet destruction.

They prefer eradicating or enslaving them first, then using or harvesting the planet as needed. I fail so see any sanity in skipping back in time, watching or no.I would never have believed someone would actually say something like this. Your defence of the primative practice of slavery aside, you are actually saying that genocide and planet destruction are less harmful and, indeed, better that moving through time for research purposes.

I think the representatives from Klonor need to seriously reexamine who they let in their alliance. The warmongers, slavers, and supporters of genocide will quickly lead to you being compared to Arda and GDODAD. Except less favorably.

May your works be razed and your fields saltedDid you forget that we're nomads in submarines? We use hydroponics, dear. No fields to salt.

But it does seem to fit your idiom of popping off like a psychopath and thinking... never.

~Mavis

It's right there in the missive talking about the charter. Gives descriptions of the weapons and everything. I seem to recall Indra Prime being quite proud of their temporal weaponry. Christ, am I the only one around here who looks things up?Yes, because I don't have the time or patience for it. I'm paid to think up retorts to your pitiful statements (as easy as that is), not dig through archived documents hunting for other pitiful statements you've made some other time.

You're a dense one, aren't you? You're going to declare war on an foe who can skip through time? What, pray tell, will you do when we skip ahead a few years? Or a dozen? Or a century? How long will your citizens put up with such a pig headed government? Will your armies sit around growling menacingly while you wait for us to reappear?
So you do use this technology to forward your own goals? Keep damning yourself with evidence, why don't you? As is, my armies won't have to do anything. All I'd have to do is drop depth charges in Terra's oceans every once in a while and stealth them and hope that they eventually hit home. Besides, I'm sure there is an Accord nation out there who would be all too happy to erase you from existence before you can do anything about it anyway.

As for the Accord, we most certainly will not sign that odious piece of nonsense. We develop our technology as we see fit, not based on what some bullies think we should do. No such restrictions exist for any other form of technology. What would you say if some massive nation forbade you from developing some kind of space-based tech? Or if one nation told another that they weren't "allowed" to have nuclear reactors? Stuff and nonsense. The Accord can sit and spin for all we care, howling in the dark their worthless proclimations.
Excellent. When they visit total annihalation upon you I shall surely be laughing safe at home when it happens. I hope they record the event and sell it afterwards. In any case, they have already been informed and even now size you up.
As for the rest of your ridiculous proclamations: blah blah, irrelevant this, blah blah blah.

And, please, don't call it "chronomancy"; it just makes you look ignorant. I'm not some sorceress in a pointy hat, casting spells.
I call it chronomancy because I like comparing it to witchcraft and devilry. It must have struck a nerve because obviously you don't like being 'lowered' to such a base state; you wouldn't have asked me otherwise if not.

Never heard of active camo, huh? We're not idiots here.
There is no perfect camouflage or system to avoid detection, and sometimes technology breaks. Speaking of which, what would happen if one of your infernal time machines broke? God save us if that ever happened.

Please. What's to stop planet-destroying weapons from being stolen by less scrupulous people and applied to destructive... oh, wait... there isn't a peaceful application for such technology.

To answer your concerns: security. No, I'm not going to give you details, but it's not like we publish how to do this sort of thing.
Again, no security is perfect. There is a way to defeat it, however difficult it is to develop or plan.
And claiming otherwise is tantamount to godmodding.

You are more than welcome to forget about me.
Oh, I wish I could. Yet you keep coming back for more.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

No, not done.

HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!

Hm. Little more.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Are you seriously defending genocide? Did you every pause to think about the affects to a system when a planet is destroyed? The effects on the local gravity wells? The disasterous affects on all the other planets in the system? If you want to talk about something having monumental affects on the rest of the universe, look to planet destruction.

We know what happens when a planet is destroyed. One of our own was recently destroyed by accident by a mining vessel from another civilization. Luckily the system in question was of minor importance with pirates being the only residents, so with a generous reparation we let the incident go. As is, if the affects are as grievous as you say they are, then the universe should have come completely undone by now considering how many planets are destroyed on a regular basis. The ESUS-Shivan war had entire sytems wiped off the chart, so obviously the loss of a planet cannot so cripple things as you say. Even if it does, I'm not trained or paid to care. I'm just the messenger.

I would never have believed someone would actually say something like this. Your defence of the primitive practice of slavery aside, you are actually saying that genocide and planet destruction are less harmful and, indeed, better that moving through time for research purposes.

I think the representatives from Klonor need to seriously reexamine who they let in their alliance. The warmongers, slavers, and supporters of genocide will quickly lead to you being compared to Arda and GDODAD. Except less favorably.
Someone needs to brush up on their own reading comprehension. The first sentence in the quote was a statement of the obvious. The second was just an expression of the fact that I, and my people, find your chronomancy a pastime for the mentally ill.

Once again, I challenge you to join up and actually affect change within the alliance, coward. Do you think it will change its ways because some self-righteous hermit who lives in a submarine insults them?

Did you forget that we're nomads in submarines? We use hydroponics, dear. No fields to salt.

But it does seem to fit your idiom of popping off like a psychopath and thinking... never.

~MavisWe didn't mean literally, tool. It's a classical insult within diplomacy. 'Different cultures' and all that. I am glad to hear there are works we can raze, though.

Valerio Yuval
Undersecretary of Foreign Relations
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Yes, because I don't have the time or patience for it. I'm paid to think up retorts to your pitiful statements (as easy as that is), not dig through archived documents hunting for other pitiful statements you've made some other time.So actually knowing what you're talking about isn't part of your job? Interesting.

So you do use this technology to forward your own goals?Um... duh? Who doesn't use their tech for their own goals. That's rather the point, you know.

As is, my armies won't have to do anything. All I'd have to do is drop depth charges in Terra's oceans every once in a while and stealth them and hope that they eventually hit home.The key word there would be "hope". The oceans are rather large, you know... And unless you're dropping them continuously... but, hey. Waste your money.

Besides, I'm sure there is an Accord nation out there who would be all too happy to erase you from existence before you can do anything about it anyway.Using hated tech to wipe out hated tech. Amusing. Do you often spend your time hitting youself in the head with irony?

In any case, they have already been informed and even now size you up.They can be my guest.

As for the rest of your ridiculous proclamations: blah blah, irrelevant this, blah blah blah.Yes, please. Continue to ignore logic.

I call it chronomancy because I like comparing it to witchcraft and devilry. It must have struck a nerve because obviously you don't like being 'lowered' to such a base state; you wouldn't have asked me otherwise if not.I was simply trying to keep you from looking like even more of a superstitous idiot. If you wish to continue, be my guest.

There is no perfect camouflage or system to avoid detection, and sometimes technology breaks. Speaking of which, what would happen if one of your infernal time machines broke? God save us if that ever happened.Yup. Shit happens. But, again, being followers of Discord, we aren't all that concerned.

Again, no security is perfect. There is a way to defeat it, however difficult it is to develop or plan.Of course there is. Just like someone could steal planet-annihilating technology. What's your point?

And claiming otherwise is tantamount to godmodding.ooc: Um... I'm using time travel tech, talking to nations that use planet-killing tech. I care about wankery?

Oh, I wish I could. Yet you keep coming back for more.Because you're silly. If you want to end this, stop replying.

As is, if the affects are as grievous as you say they are, then the universe should have come completely undone by now considering how many planets are destroyed on a regular basis.Yes, because things on the galactic scale happen instantly. Have you ever actually read a book?

The ESUS-Shivan war had entire sytems wiped off the chart, so obviously the loss of a planet cannot so cripple things as you say. Even if it does, I'm not trained or paid to care. I'm just the messenger.And yet you're worried about me skipping back an hour so that I don't accidentally lock my keys in my cabin. Interesting.

Destroying systems... skipping back 5 minutes... destroying systems... skipping back 5 minutes...

Yeah, those are the same.

Someone needs to brush up on their own reading comprehension. The first sentence in the quote was a statement of the obvious.Nonetheless, you still glossed over slavery and genocide to persecute me for seeing what the Collossus of Rhodes looked like.

The second was just an expression of the fact that I, and my people, find your chronomancy a pastime for the mentally ill....and?

Once again, I challenge you to join up and actually affect change within the alliance, coward.What part of "we aren't in space" do you fail to grasp? I have already, publically, made my concerns known to the founder of the alliance. If he doesn't wish to deal with it, it's not my problem.

Do you think it will change its ways because some self-righteous hermit who lives in a submarine insults them?Actually, I don't think a damn thing will change regardless of what I do. The fact that you're willing to bend over backwards to defend your odious allies isn't exactly heartening. I expect that even as a member, I would either be told to shut up or kicked out.

Why doesn't your government take the initiative, ace? You're already a member. Why don't you speak out against the Facehuggerian bigotry?

We didn't mean literally, tool. It's a classical insult within diplomacy."Classic insult" and "diplomacy" in the same breath. Cute.

I am glad to hear there are works we can raze, though.Of course there are. Since we don't spend all our killin' xenos and enslaving races, we actually have time to do constructive activities.

The key word there would be "hope". The oceans are rather large, you know... And unless you're dropping them continuously... but, hey. Waste your money.It'd be a good waste.
Using hated tech to wipe out hated tech. Amusing. Do you often spend your time hitting youself in the head with irony?
Thats exactly the point! I love it! Irony like this is delicious. I have no qualms if a temporal state starts bashing in the brains of another temporal state - it'd be lovely! Just like you'd have no qualms if some evil superpower started fighting Central Facehuggeria.
Yes, please. Continue to ignore logic.My, what passes for logic amongst your pathetic people...
I was simply trying to keep you from looking like even more of a superstitous idiot. If you wish to continue, be my guest.Coming from the follower of the "goddess of discord," no less. One to talk of superstitions. As is, the point still stands. I call temporal technology users "chronomancers" specifically because it insults them.
Yup. Shit happens. But, again, being followers of Discord, we aren't all that concerned.Wow. Just, wow. "Shit happens..." well at least with every other technology in existence, if something goes wrong it doesn't change the entire universe forever.
Of course there is. Just like someone could steal planet-annihilating technology. What's your point?Worst case scenario if someone steals planet-killing technology: lots of stuff gets blown up, maybe even a planet. Only hurts me, unless they escape my nation and hurt someone else, in which case I make reperations and move on. Worst case scenario if someone steals a time machine: alter the course of history irreparably. It would take a fool to not see which is ultimately more serious.
ooc: Um... I'm using time travel tech, talking to nations that use planet-killing tech. I care about wankery?.:ooc:. Planet-killing is not wank. Time-traveling is cutting it close.
Because you're silly. If you want to end this, stop replying.I would be a traitor to my Empress, my people, and my allies if I did not answer your insults.
And yet you're worried about me skipping back an hour so that I don't accidentally lock my keys in my cabin. Interesting.

Destroying systems... skipping back 5 minutes... destroying systems... skipping back 5 minutes...

Yeah, those are the same.No, they aren't. Not by a long shot. I could easily turn down the power to a superlaser to the point it can only harm a fly and then fry said fly, just as much as you can scale back the power of your time machine to jump back five minutes to stop yourself locking the keys in. Conversely I can turn the power up all the way to destroy a planet, and you could go back in time 10,000 years with advanced technology and conquer Earth, thus setting yourself up to become a universal superpower in this time.
Nonetheless, you still glossed over slavery and genocide to persecute me for seeing what the Collossus of Rhodes looked like.
...and endanger the space-time continuum and all of written history in the process.
What part of "we aren't in space" do you fail to grasp? I have already, publically, made my concerns known to the founder of the alliance. If he doesn't wish to deal with it, it's not my problem.Do you possess advanced technology? Yes. Wow, you qualify to join! There are Terra based nations in the alliance as well. As is, your concerns seem to be solely the enrollment of certain nations in the alliance and their actions, and the fact that they're allowed to speak their mind. But wait! Aren't there murderers on Terra? Hasn't there been slavers on it in the past, and ones in secret now? Dear me! Why don't you flee forth right now, since it seems maintaining ANY sort of contact with the likes of those ruffians is beyond your ability? While you're at it, make sure that nobody in your nation can even talk about such a dreadful thing as slavery or racism - who would want to anyway?
Actually, I don't think a damn thing will change regardless of what I do. The fact that you're willing to bend over backwards to defend your odious allies isn't exactly heartening. I expect that even as a member, I would either be told to shut up or kicked out.Well jeez, aren't you a defeatist then? I'm not "bending over backwards" to defend the Facehuggerian's actions either, I've been simply stating the obvious - how they operate, as you keep exaggerating it. Most likely they're annoyed that I'm talking about them at all.
Why doesn't your government take the initiative, ace? You're already a member. Why don't you speak out against the Facehuggerian bigotry?We let our actions (http://anikari.zioncreation.com/SCRA.htm) speak louder than our words. However, our edicts do not carry over into the void nor into Central Facehuggerian domains, and he is not a member of the United Nations and neither are we, thus we cannot enforce it that way either.
"Classic insult" and "diplomacy" in the same breath. Cute.Diplomats use their tongue to flatter and to insult. Nothing new there.

Valerio Yuval
Undersecretary of Foreign Relations
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Thats exactly the point! I love it! Irony like this is delicious.Hm. Point for you then.

My, what passes for logic amongst your pathetic people...What? That temporal tech is being unfairly singled out?

Coming from the follower of the "goddess of discord," no less.Well, chaos and discord are pretty evident in the universe. So what if we personify her?

Wow. Just, wow. "Shit happens..." well at least with every other technology in existence, if something goes wrong it doesn't change the entire universe forever.Cry me a river. And it won't "change the entire universe forever" you silly git. Screw up a civilization? Maybe. An entire planet? With a lot of work. The universe? Certainly not. What do you think I'm gonna do? Go back to the Big Bang and stop it somehow? Do you have any concept of scale?

Worst case scenario if someone steals planet-killing technology: lots of stuff gets blown up, maybe even a planet. Only hurts me, unless they escape my nation and hurt someone else, in which case I make reperations and move on....

How does one make "reparations" when one annihilates an entire planet? It's not like a concentration camp, you know. When you wipe out billions of people, that's a lot of culture, science, art, and so on. Your cavalier attitude is simply stunning.

Worst case scenario if someone steals a time machine: alter the course of history irreparably. It would take a fool to not see which is ultimately more serious.Until someone else goes back and fixes it. That's the nice thing about the past. It's always there. Planets, on the other hand, are rather difficult to replace.

.:ooc:. Planet-killing is not wank. Time-traveling is cutting it close.ooc: Bullshit.

I would be a traitor to my Empress, my people, and my allies if I did not answer your insults.Whatever polishes your apple, mate.

No, they aren't. Not by a long shot. I could easily turn down the power to a superlaser to the point it can only harm a fly and then fry said fly,Your superlasers have rheostats? Neat.

you could go back in time 10,000 years with advanced technology and conquer Earth, thus setting yourself up to become a universal superpower in this time.Nevermind that I have no desire to, I guess. And, again, another temporal nation could easily go back and stop me.

Do you possess advanced technology? Yes. Wow, you qualify to join!For those of you new Space Nations, life can be tough.Looks like it's for space nations.

There are Terra based nations in the alliance as well.Being based on earth is rather different than being unable to leave it.

As is, your concerns seem to be solely the enrollment of certain nations in the alliance and their actions, and the fact that they're allowed to speak their mind.I complained about slavery and genocide, not about being able to talk.

But wait! Aren't there murderers on Terra? Hasn't there been slavers on it in the past, and ones in secret now? Dear me! Why don't you flee forth right now, since it seems maintaining ANY sort of contact with the likes of those ruffians is beyond your ability?Now you're just being silly.

However, I don't make a habit of joining into alliances with genocidal nations. Pity you can't say the same.

While you're at it, make sure that nobody in your nation can even talk about such a dreadful thing as slavery or racism - who would want to anyway?You're so cute when you grasp at straws.

I'm not "bending over backwards" to defend the Facehuggerian's actions either, I've been simply stating the obvious - how they operate, as you keep exaggerating it. Most likely they're annoyed that I'm talking about them at all.Ah, right. They only blow up planets that deserve it. I'm sure you only rape women who were "asking for it" too, huh?

We let our actions (http://anikari.zioncreation.com/SCRA.htm) speak louder than our words.Whoop. You grant freedoms within your own borders. Action would be striving for that outside of your borders. You can't even bring yourself to condemn the actions of Facehuggeria. Such a spine you have.

However, our edicts do not carry over into the void nor into Central Facehuggerian domains, and he is not a member of the United Nations and neither are we, thus we cannot enforce it that way either.Yes, you poor, helpless nation. You were so eager to engage in "unending" war with my country because we use our technology for scientific advancement. Where's your proclimations of war for the genocidal, xenophobic race? Nowhere to be found. Instead, you've pledged to support them in war. I, again, question your morals.

~Mavis

Simple. My ships, for all their firepower, can't strike targets outside the system with any degree of force. They also do not ignore enemy defenses. Your planet mover apparently can.Not true. Of course it doesn't ignore defences. It's just that your defences are to a Timelord nation what a Neanderthal encampment would be to a Leopard II.

And given your (Already quoted) factbook-of-sorts on the ESUS boards, you really aren't in a position to complain about this. Heck, you're regularly posting about NPC geno/xenocides, doing exactly the same (Ok, with NPCs, presumably because NPCs shoot back only when you want them to), so, really... Where's the problem?

If I acknowledge one person with weapons that can do what your planet mover does, what's to prevent another person, someone with less IC morals, from doing the same? What's to prevent someone from saying 'I move your planets into a sun and there's nothing you can do about it! You ignore me? But you didn't ignore the Lords of Gallifrey!'Nothing? Ignoring someone is inherently selective. Heck, I'm acknowledging C'tan wankiness, yet I'm quite willing to ignore vastly less wanky nations when they use their stuff in a, shall we say, less balanced manner.

Red herring. I'm not arguing against the power levels involved here. I'm arguing against the unfair range.And a few instances before.
You acknowledge Kanuckistan, don't you? You know, the one with galactic range weaponry battleplates. That can kill planets from the other side of the galaxy. Now, given your argument above, how can you think about ignoring TLoG when you don't do it with Kanuckistan?

.:ooc:. Planet-killing is not wank. Time-traveling is cutting it close.Planetkilling in a universe where every nation fits on a single planet, in fact, several nations can make it with casual ease (10bn is absolutely manageable) can only be wank. You can accept it, of course, but it will always be wank.

And personally, I'd say that timetravelling is vastly saner (From a plotdevice/ storytelling point of view) than planetkilling. Unlike planetkilling, which just has to be overkill, in any possible scenario, Time-travel can potentially be used in vaguely sane ways, no matter if you have ten million or ten trillion people, no matter if you're earthbound or spacedy.

... Hence why I'm currently having people on a Kaeneian timeship, yet I wouldn't acknowledge anything even remotely planetkilling with this nation (There are, of course, puppets with which I would acknowledge them, but those tend to be a good deal wankier than Gallifrey here. And I don't think a nation with a planetkiller would enjoy said puppet just restarting the universe, fast-forwarding it while cutting out the part that involves the planetkiller-using nation).

...and endanger the space-time continuum and all of written history in the process.Except of course that the moment timetravel is done, the all-feared paradoxes become irrelevant. Given that timetravel would result in insta-paradoxes (Be it an instantly changed timeline due to added gravitational potential, moving a few oxygen-molecules out of the way, whatever), the moment you use timetravel without nixing the universe, you know that all these paradoxes are obviously not a viable cenario.

Why they are not is of secondary importance, really.

You’re welcome to try and invade Gallifrey. Really. I wouldn’t do it if I were you, given the apparent casual ease with which they can mess about with your planets, but that’s just me. As for dragging on, I really doubt it would, given that direct aggression is not the way you should deal with the Time Lords, not that it will actually get you killed, but it is not the way to motivate the Time Lords into leaving you alone.

OOC on the other hand, I’m all for being ‘crushed’ by your natural IC reaction, really. Oh. By the way, I've also been promised a 'Temporal Crushing' by those Accord folks, IIRC.

Oh. By the way, I've also been promised a 'Temporal Crushing' by those Accord folks, IIRC.ooc: Hm. Puts you one up on me.

And given your (Already quoted) factbook-of-sorts on the ESUS boards, you really aren't in a position to complain about this.

Actually, I am. Because all of my 'planetkilling' attacks are preventable, OOCly plot devices that both parties agree to, as well as putting my ships distinctly in harms way, preventing them from using *any* other weaponry.

Heck, you're regularly posting about NPC geno/xenocides, doing exactly the same (Ok, with NPCs, presumably because NPCs shoot back only when you want them to), so, really... Where's the problem?

Difference being that NPCs are my own creation, so I don't have to ask permission. :p

My interaction with NPCs is totally different than my interaction with PCs.


And a few instances before.
You acknowledge Kanuckistan, don't you? You know, the one with galactic range weaponry battleplates. That can kill planets from the other side of the galaxy. Now, given your argument above, how can you think about ignoring TLoG when you don't do it with Kanuckistan?

What the hell? Kanuckistan can't blast planets from half the galaxy away. At least, not without special, interceptable missiles.

I don't suppose any of ya wankers (the lot o' ya, and I means it in a chummerly way) need any money made clean in a good ol'-fashioned way? May not be too spacedy, baby, but it works. Clean as a whistle and perfect for fundin' those possibly less-than-public portions of your bizness.

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And a few instances before.
You acknowledge Kanuckistan, don't you? You know, the one with galactic range weaponry battleplates. That can kill planets from the other side of the galaxy. Now, given your argument above, how can you think about ignoring TLoG when you don't do it with Kanuckistan?


OOC:
Where... did this come from?

OOC: The Black Lagoon?

OOC: The Black Lagoon?


OOC: The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari?

"Do you honestly think this will actually work?" Lord Xemu, whose mere name makes the entire seventy-odd world dominion of the Galactic Confederacy shiver in fear, tries to keep the honest curiosity out of his voice, replacing it with a heaping helping of imperial incredulousness.

"It might," Chief-Minion replies, words muffled by the diamondoidmarble floor which his lips move upon as he kneels doubled over in respectful prostration like the Rus princes of old, "it worked for me in TOADIES."

"I determine, in my ineffable wisdom, that it is worth at least trying. Go, Chief-Minion, and write for me an appropriate message to this 'alliance.' Let them know that the will of the Confederacy is their own and shall be forevermore from this time forward, should they accept it."

"At once, my Lord!"

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\

To all and sundry:

The wise and just Lord Xemu, the Elected Ruler of the Galactic Confederacy, Supreme Magnate and sole survivor of the Arslychus, inventor of Mass, Grand Admiral of the Pentultimately Powerful Warfleet of the Galactic Confederacy, Grand Marshal of the Infinite Strategic Arsenal of the Galactic Confederacy, annihilator of the Helatrobus, inventor of the R6 Implant, inventor of the electronic ribbon standing-wave field, inventor of the three-D super colossal motion picture, inventor of the very concept of God, discoverer of the vacuum zones of Teegeeack, has read over the charter of your august organization and has found that he is most amenable to its precepts. We understand that we may appear to be a young nation, but that would slight the Confederacy's long and hallowed traditions, the same traditions that lead it to hold sway over twenty-six star systems and seventy-six planets within them. With success on every front after the outstanding victory of Operation Incident II, we only hope that we can one day embrace the entire universe as creatures one and the same with us, and it is with this intent that we come to you.

If you accept our request, it will be our honor and, above all, the honor of the glorious Lord Xemu to make the laws of your alliance part of our own; it will be our great honor to call you family and fellow confederates in the face of a potentially hostile universe as those who come only to belittle you, previously evidenced. We may not be the largest nor the most numerous, but it is with the beating of every heart that the Confederacy desires unity over all and it is with the beating of every citizen's heart that we come forth to ask your acceptance. We can doubtless grow together in harmony if we only make the effort.

~ First Class Sniveling Minion Chief-Minion

We would like to welcome the Confederacy of Lord Xemu into the Galactic Alliance. Welcome!

May I also take this time to remind all members that there is a vote currently before the General Assembly and that many have yet to make their opinions known.

"Hmmmmmm." Lord Xemu leans back on the patched cushions of his steel throne, clawed finger armor ticking as he taps his fingers together. Tickticktickticktick. "Excellent. I shall keep you around, Chief-Minion. You are clearly good at what you do."

Praise to a sycophant is like mud to a pig or Pocky to an otaku. "TOADIES taught me well, my Lord!" The pudgy man positively beams at the acknowledgement from his master.

/\/\/\/\/\/\

The most glorious and benevolent Lord Xemu, and by extension the whole of the most loyal and enlightened Galactic Confederacy, sends a message of welcome to his new friends and neighbors. It is with the utmost respect that we will treat all of you just as we would treat our own citizenry, for truly it is the sign of sincere friendship when the two concepts are one and the same. Lord Xemu wishes you well and to carry on as you will in peace and harmony whilst he peruses the issues currently in question.

~ Chief-Minion

Message to Arizona Nova:

Your message concerning nation: Hagbard has been recieved, and we are conducting an investigation as a ranking member of the Temporal Research Council. We thank you for your support, and will enjoy a long and prosperous friendship between our two nations.

~Admiral Ulayla Syphera
Temporal Fleet HQ
Gaia System, Gaia




Message to Hagbard:

We have recieved information that dangerous Temporal Activity has occured under your supervision, in your nation. We have launched our own investigation under the banner of the Temporal Research Council, into these matters, and request information to discover any fractures in the timeline that may have occured, no matter how small or insignificant.

We request the following information:

* Method of Incursion
* Exact Chronodate of incursions, and exact places.
* Method of information gathering
* Team Size (1 person... 2 people...ect)

More information may be requested at any date, by any TRC member. We will inform you if any irreperable damage has occured to the timeline due to negligence. The TRC is taking steps at peaceful resolutions to Temporal Activity, your cooperation will be useful. Not all resolutions to incidents mean loss of the use of Temporal Devices. Just closer supervision.

~Admiral Ulayla Syphera
Temporal Fleet HQ
Gaia System, Gaia


OOC: Thanks Arizona

OOC: Hagbard, send the info via Telegram please. Or, if it is a file, you can e-mail me at: UthRptr2@yahoo.com

_____________________________________________

The newer, more friendly Temporal Accord/Temporal Research Council.

From the Desk of the Exalted Lord Xemu, etc.

All this talk of temporality forces me to think about it. Seeing how time travel is apparently possible, then with the rather large amount of future ahead of any given point in time it becomes a near certainty that time travel is developed. It becomes an equal certainty that these travellers will go back in time, and in so doing, change things by their very presence as chaos goes as it tends to.

This leads us to a version of the Fermi Paradox: if people have can ever go back in time then they have already inevitably done so and therefore the effects of their actions have already changed reality. Where is the evidence for this? To every individual, time continues on linearly without being snuffed out of existence or changing without causality from moment to moment (as if we could detect a change outside our sphere of experiencable sensation).

Two conclusions, mutually exclusive, can be drawn from this:
One: Any alterations to the timeline have already happened and therefore can be considered proper history.
Two: The timeline cannot indeed be altered, at least not as commonly accepted; any individual timeline cannot be amended or changed although the potentiality still remains for additional branches to grow from that timeline due to changes.

If we accept the first conclusion as true, then there is no point in defending the timeline as all successful future attempts to change the timeline have already occured. We exist in spite (or perhaps because of) all changes; any attempt in the future to go into our past must have inevitably happened unless prevented in that self-same future. The support for this conclusion comes with that all technologies are developed before they are 'properly' managed; it usually takes abuse for advisory and regulatory bodies to appear, by which time it is also usually too late to prevent all damage.

If we accept the second conclusion as true, then there is no point in defending the timeline at all because one cannot destroy a branch of timeline, merely make a new one. Someone preventing me from conduction Operation Incident II simply creates a new timeline where it did not happen; if someone in the future will be going to do it, then they would have already succeeded and the Confederacy would not exist as it does now. Yet it still exists, which implies that any successful future attempt to change my past does not actually change my past. This seems more reasonable given the understanding that the concept of universal time is inherently fallacious as time, as the measure of the distance between two events in what is commonly considered the fourth dimension, only has meaning from a relativistic frame of reference.

Either way, this means that Hagbard (and anyone else with time travel technology, for that matter) is for all intents and purposes harmless to the universe we know and understand, because either any future successes in changing it have been successful or because they simply cannot change anything. The concept of a temporal defense organization is inherently flawed because it cannot with any certainty know if any of its actions are supposed to be 'good' or 'bad' for the accepted timeline, although if my logic pans out it could spend its time playing videogames and watching three-d supercollossal cinema features and still mean nothing because the past is the sum total of temporal 'defense' and temporal 'incursion' successes no matter which way things go.

Hm. There's an invention somewhere in this. Must bounce some ideas off the Scientist.

*doodle of Lady Waennkar's name in bubble letters and colored in opposing crosshatches between each letter and hearts drawn around it*

OOC: Its all relatively temporary my friend...

Message to Hagbard:

We have recieved information that dangerous Temporal Activity has occured under your supervision, in your nation. We have launched our own investigation under the banner of the Temporal Research Council, into these matters, and request information to discover any fractures in the timeline that may have occured, no matter how small or insignificant.

We request the following information:

* Method of Incursion
* Exact Chronodate of incursions, and exact places.
* Method of information gathering
* Team Size (1 person... 2 people...ect)

More information may be requested at any date, by any TRC member. We will inform you if any irreperable damage has occured to the timeline due to negligence. The TRC is taking steps at peaceful resolutions to Temporal Activity, your cooperation will be useful. Not all resolutions to incidents mean loss of the use of Temporal Devices. Just closer supervision.

~Admiral Ulayla Syphera
Temporal Fleet HQ
Gaia System, Gaia

No.

- Jon Smith
Secretary, Third Class
Compartment of Foreign Relations
No flax was used in the production of this Offical Reply

OOC:
My own iRL opinion of time travel is that, if it's possible, and history can be changed, that it is inevitible that someone, at some point, will succeed in preventing the inventor(s) of the technology from creating it, either directly or indirectly. Thus, regaurdless of how often the technology is invented, it's very existance is inevitibly prevented by, well, it's very existance. :D ;) :p

My IC opinion is that you're all reckless fools, as the ocasional change in the timeline often costs our economy rather substantial sums of cash; Kanuckistani territory itself being unaffected by changes in the timeline, as ASPEW removes it from the temporal continuum by radicly altering the nature of time, at the same time making time travel within the effected volume impossible.

*considers ICly trying to sue some temporal nation for economic damage*

OOC: If one accepts causality going in two directions (that events in the past and future define the present) then the actual effectiveness of time travel becomes irrelevant; it will either work or it won't and however it comes out is how it is supposed to be. Those who try going back in time to change their own past (temporal incursions? mmmm, Star Trek technobabble) make the mistake of looking at time only as it is perceived, which is an arrow going inexorably in one direction. Time is instead an inseperable part of space, going at different speeds under different conditions, and is a bona fide dimension. Assuming one can go back in time and destroy their own history is immediately fallacious because it causes the most basic of causality errors--the loop. The only way to allow for time travel and avoid contradiction is to take the Zen-like approach of saying what has happened has happened and will always be what has happened; what will happen will happen and, in terms of the past, will always be what will happen.

ICly, the Confederacy has things that go so fast they go back in time, including weapons. However, because the target exists when the trigger is pulled and internal consistency demands that if they were there when I fire then they cannot be destroyed in the past, and therefore I miss. Q.E.D.

Message to Hagbard:

It has been noted that you have refused diplomatic means of settling this dispute. It has also been noted that the Temporal Research Council has exausted all diplomatic means of negotiation, and will now have to use force.

The Temporal Research Council has been informed of this situation, and currently we are preparing our own temporal incursion fleet. Under Section 3a of the Siesatian Incursion Accord, we must inform you that any chronologically displaced units discovered will be eradicated from time from any events to come after it.

We are monitering all further temporal activity from the Trafalgar Temporal Institute Sensor Array, and have begun recording all chronodates of your incursions.

It is unfortunate is has come to this, but it is evident your leaders do not desire peace, nor prosperity.

~Admiral Ulayla Syphera
Siesatian Incursion HQ
Gaia System, Gaia

Hostilities Engagment agreed upon by:

~President Jessica Crescent Master Dragoon 1st Class

Message to the Irritating Busybodies of Siesatia:

Mind your own fucking business. It has been demonstrated time and time again that your pathetic little organization is nothing but a bunch of terrorists trying to hide behind noble causes, despite the fact that you are unable to do a damn thing about the flow of time. Time being infinite cares not for what we do, nor does it care for what you do.

We're not a bunch a backwater hicks that will be impressed by your nation. We were skipping through time before your government was even formed. Don't you dare think your hollow threats will give us pause.

We did not refuse "diplomatic means" to "resolve" this situation. There were no diplomatic attempts. You barging in and demanding to know explicit details of the trillions of time skips we have performed is not "diplomacy", it is bullying. A trend that we see is continuing as you stroke your temporal penis in our general direction.

Furthermore, we don't give two shits for the "Siesatian Incursion Accord", although we are highly amused that you are attempting to force the rules of some law we have no part on. Will you enforce UN Resolutions on us next? We have nothing to do with your pathetic accord, because we realise how pointless it is, and how it ignores concepts of causality and physics. Go open a book before you yammer at me.

You continue to desplay your grotesque lack of understanding even as you give off your threat. Considering the fact that any potential erradications have already happened, why are you telling me now? Perhaps I'll just blame your nation for all unsolved disappearances and murders going back to the dawn of time.

You're going to record all chronodates? Please, be my guest. I've performed no less than 15 time skips today already, and I'm just one of several billion. Tell me... how much storage space are you willing to waste on us?

Assuming, of course, that you can actually detect our activities. Your arrogance is only matched by your idiocy.

"It is unfortunate is has come to this, but it is evident your leaders do not desire peace, nor prosperity."

We desire both, and, indeed, had both until you stuck your nose into our business.

- Jon Smith
Secretary, Third Class
Compartment of Foreign Relations
No flax was used in the production of this Offical Reply

Message to Hagbard:

After further investigation, we have concluded that no temporal activity has occurred under your nation. You are not currently at a significant technological level to purport 'Trillions of Temporal Incursions' much less even one. It would take the combined energy of a significant portion of a sun to even attempt one. We have also found that you do not even have the ability to leave earth. Your threat level has been alieviated, and removed from the watch list, as we find you no threat to us, the TRC, or the STC.

We continue to laugh at your continued lies, and we must inform you that being 'stoned off your ass' in a state of euphoric technological wet dream, does not constitute a Temporal Incursion, only a Health Hazard.

OOC: You know, you should really consult someone who actually knows about how these things work. There just so happens to be a Theoretical Physisist on Nationstates, three guesses who. We've been having a good laugh for the past few hours about your posts, and he sends the message, that a nuclear reactor would come nowhere close to supplying the power to travel time. We must therefor conclude that you are not serious, and are attempting to waste our time. You have been depth charged with t3h Ignorze T-100000. And congratulate you on some of the funniest posts since 'Faker then Hollywood'.

As I thought, your methods are too pathetic to detect our regular use of temporal technology. Thank you for wasting our time.

- Jon Smith
Secretary, Third Class
Compartment of Foreign Relations
No flax was used in the production of this Offical Reply


OOC: You know, you should really consult someone who actually knows about how these things work. There just so happens to be a Theoretical Physisist on Nationstates, three guesses who. We've been having a good laugh for the past few hours about your posts, and he sends the message, that a nuclear reactor would come nowhere close to supplying the power to travel time. We must therefor conclude that you are not serious, and are attempting to waste our time. You have been depth charged with t3h Ignorze T-100000. And congratulate you on some of the funniest posts since 'Faker then Hollywood'.
OOC:
Nice to see your arrogance continues into the OOC world too. "Theoretical Physicist"? Give me a fucking break. It's the goddamn internet you moron, any body can claim anything they damn well please. Furthermore, this is science fiction, which means I can make up whatever the hell I want.

Take your fucking arrogance and shove it up your ass. It's people like you who are ruining this game for the rest of us. I'm not some worthless n00b who's gonna be impressed by your Star Trek technobabble and Indra's pathetic attempts to be Big Man on Campus.

And where the hell did this nonsense about nuclear power come from? Why doesn't Mr. Theoretical Physicist come here and make the points himself? Oh, wait... I remember why... because every time he steps out of II, he runs into people that aren't impressed with his bullshit and he gets his ass handed to him. Look past the technobabble and you'll see that he's just as clueless as you are.

Christ, Xemu hit causality effects right on the head, but I'm sure you'll ignore him because he's a new nation.

Now, if you'll kindly sod off and return to your circle jerk in II, we can quit hijacking this thread. A thread that I entered with good faith to roleplay, not to put up with your nonsense.

Still, it is amusing... do you ignore everyone who doesn't roll over? Wow... you're such a stunning example of quality.

OOC: You know, you should really consult someone who actually knows about how these things work.

...

...that a nuclear reactor would come nowhere close to supplying the power to travel time.

OOC:
Psst - hate to tell you this, but sci-fi = IDIC. The laws of physics are more subjective and mutible the farther you get from day-to-day reality - and something like time-travel, which is theory at best and conjecture at worst, is about as far away from day-to-day reality as you can get.

Of course, ignoring each other might be for the best, seeing as each side apears to have rather substantially different views as to the nature of time, and therefor the possible implications of time travel - and because this is freeform sci-fi RP, both of you are right.

Still, it is amusing... do you ignore everyone who doesn't roll over? Wow... you're such a stunning example of quality.

Actually, as many will contend, we normally go in and rape every living thing in sight, with several nations worth of Incursion Fleets. I really don't feel like attacking a nation who admits he has no ability to leave the earth, who basically couldn't defend himself should we come after him, and basically has no buissiness having temporal tech, especially being Modern or Post Modern.

Now, as to Kanuckistan's idea, I declare this thread hijack over.

Klonor, sorry bout the hijack, if your storefront is still open, put me up for 5 of the most expensive item.

I really don't feel like attacking a nation who admits he has no ability to leave the earth, who basically couldn't defend himself should we come after him,How generous of you. Again, pointless arrogance. Just because I'm planet-side doesn't mean I have no defences against spacewank.

and basically has no buissiness having temporal tech, especially being Modern or Post Modern.Who the hell are you to tell me what tech I can or can't have?

Newsflash: You can be future tech without mucking about in space.

You're grasping at straws, and looking rather desperate. By any measure of longevity, I have been around more than long enough to have whatever technology I want. I want temporal tech, I don't want space tech.

Not everyone does things exactly the same; you would be wise to recognize this and to check your biases at the door.

Edit: Ah, the UN's timing is perfect...
Hagbard is ranked 2nd in the region and 3,857th in the world for Largest Information Technology Sector.

I should think that being in the top 3% for IT rankings is more than enough.

OOC: You know, you should really consult someone who actually knows about how these things work. There just so happens to be a Theoretical Physisist on Nationstates, three guesses who. We've been having a good laugh for the past few hours about your posts, and he sends the message, that a nuclear reactor would come nowhere close to supplying the power to travel time.

And, um, since when do we have any physical data whatsoever about how a time travel device would function, let alone how much power it would require to do so?

You know, you should really consult someone who actually knows about how these things work. There just so happens to be a Theoretical Physisist on Nationstates, three guesses who. We've been having a good laugh for the past few hours about your posts, and he sends the message, that a nuclear reactor would come nowhere close to supplying the power to travel time.If you actually get this 'Theoretical Physicist' to do the math regarding this enrgy requirements, right here, right now, we might even believe it.

Of course, I have the sneaking suspicion that said 'Theoretical Physicist' would have problems with basic calculus... But hey, if he actually manages it, with all the proper formulae, references to relativity/ quantumtheory and possibly even the unverified quantumgeometric theories (Damnit, I sound like a Trek writer), mathematical proofs, the necessary derivations, perhaps even... Well, no, experimental evidence would be a little unlikely. Anyway, if he or she manages that, I might change my opinion.

After all, for a theoretical physicist, doing so should be vaguely easy, no?

Edit: Ah, the UN's timing is perfect...
Hagbard is ranked 2nd in the region and 3,857th in the world for Largest Information Technology Sector.

Siesatia is ranked 8th in the region and 2,540th in the world for Largest Information Technology Sector.

Congrats Tor:
Torontonias is ranked 1st in the region and 4th in the world for Largest Information Technology Sector.

OKAY, THAT'S ENOUGH!

I tried to be patient, to let this just die by itself, but it's obvious this isn't working. So, I'm taking a more direct role. It's actually quite simple.

Everybody just shut the hell up about time travel and every other pice of crap you people are arguing over. You are hijacking this thread, making me feel that everything GA related is nothing but a bunch of n00bs strutting their stuff, and I'm sure most people just don't care.

If you want to keep this discussion going make your own thread, talk about it on AIM, or do whatever the hell you like, but get out of this thread.

This goes for both GA members and non-members, you're all dragging this thing down the toilet. This isn't a temporal research and debate thread, I don't want it to become one, and the fact is that nobody is doing more than just yelling "My tech is better, I have support, I'll kick your ass!"

Get back on topic or I'll go the Mods and ask for corrective action against this massive hijack.

Now, there are still four things which need to be tended to.

ONE:

There is a proposal before the General Assembly. The membership needs to vote.

TWO:

There is a nomination for High Admiral that needs to be verified by the Security Council.

THREE:

There is another nomination for High Admiral that needs to be verified by the Security Council.

FOUR:

I am still waiting for somebody to volunteer or be nominated for the Herald position, we have yet to receive a single submission.

OOC: Siesatia is ranked 8th in the region and 2,540th in the world for Largest Information Technology Sector.The part you snipped was the core of my point, yutz.

IC:

We continue to ask is Klonor is intending to invesitgate the genocidal tendancies of nations in its alliance, if it doesn't care, or if it thinks this sort of thing is perfectly acceptable.

We realise that our request probably got lost in the mess of the Temporal Alliance, once again, barging into where they aren't wanted, but we would like to know if Klonor has an official stance on our concerns.

We did bring them up for a reason, after all.

OOC: I'm sorry, I did miss that.

IC:

The nation of Klonor holds no authority to do such an investigation, the only power we have within the Alliance is that afforded us through the Security Council, of which there are four other members who would have to also approve such an investigation.

However, if we did have the authority, we would still not initiate such an investigation. The Galactic Alliance is a home to any and all who wish to join; regardless of your government, history, or policy. Any such actions against other members of the Alliance will be delt with harshly, but Extra-Alliance actions are none of our concern since the purpose of the Alliance is to monitor internal relations.

Interesting stand to take.

Don't you feel that you are judged by the actions of your members? Don't you feel that alligning with nations who engage in genocide would... reflect poorly on you and your alliance?

Still, thank you for answering my question. At least you're polite.

Again, Klonor has no authority to investigate, refuse entry, or give orders to nations with questionable histories, even if we wanted to (which we don't).

And no, we do not feel that we are judged by our inidividual members, we feel that the various nations of the Universe will be intelligent enough to differentiate between the Galactic Alliance and its individual members and that they will place responsibility on the shoulders of those who deserve it.

Otagia would be honored to join this alliance.

Have you read and accept the Constitution?

We have read the constitution and agree to all its terms.

Then we would like to welcome the Cyber Hive of Otagia into the Galactic Alliance fold.

I admire your attachments to your ideals, but you are living in something of a dream-world if you think that is actually the case. Look at what happens when... say... a member of a certain organization, let's call her... Siri... makes a snide comment. The first thing people do is attack the organization she is a member of, and to assume she speaks for said organization.

Now, my purely hypothetical example aside, you still have to admit that people are likely to blast an alliance because of the actions of its members. Fair or not, that's the nature of people.

And, really, it only makes sense. Which alliance would you be more likely to trust: The one that is full of peaceful nations, or the one that has members who like to blow up planets? If you were non-human, would you want to deal with an alliance full of multiple species, or one that has extremely xenophobic members?

You seem to have sole control over who can and can't join, but you give up all authority once a member joins? That strikes me as a critical flaw in your charter. I'm not trying to be a hardass, nor am I trying to pimp other alliances (especially since I'm not in any), I'm just trying to help you keep things in mind.

I mean, here we are, having a nice conversation and one of your members has sworn "unending war" against me. You wouldn't believe how much sleep I've lost over this...

OOC: Dude you keep missing this part:

Klonor has no control. At all. Over anything. We have no more power than any other member in the entire Alliance. Klonor has no authority to refuse anybody's entry, to eject anybody, or to discipline anybody.

I'm trying to not scream this at you with various obscenities strewn throughout, but for some reason you just don't get it.

Stop addressing the questions to Klonor, stop talking to me as if I hold any position. You want us to eject some nation? You want us to initiate admission policies? Then join yourself and make a motion within the General Assembly, or get a current member to do it for you. But for Christs sake, stop trying to get me to do things that I have no power to do, and which I wouldn't do even I could.

Seriously, how many ways can I say this before you stop talking to me like I hold any authority?

I. Have. None.

And if you get this, then what's the point of your continued conversation? Why say all these things? What possible purpose does it serve?

Why do you keep talking?

Okay, I know this is a crude, rude, and un-kind post, but you just don't seem to get that you're essentially talking to a brick wall.

Sorry to be a bother, but what was that thing we should be voting on again? Oh, and I'd like to be a Herald. Sounds like fun.

~ Second Class Sniveling Minion Alliance-Attache

.......

It is at this point that I'd like to propose a new position within the alliance: The Official Herald

The Herald will be responsible for TG'ing, IM'ing, or otherwise contacting members of the Alliance who seem to have overlooked a need for their action. Also, it'd be nice if they'd regularly check to see if all the member nations are still in existence, trying to access their national spotlight every few weeks should do the trick.

Do we have any volunteers?



OOC: Herald means you'd be in charge of badgering people if they haven't voted and making sure that all the member nations are still in existence.

Now I'm asking for a real commitment here, checking to see who has already voted and who hasn't, frequently checking the nation pages for deleted nations, etc.

But, if you're willing, then congratulations! Unless somebody has any objections you've got the job!

Oh, and you can find info on the current votes on the second post of the first page, right now we're voting on whether or not to adpot a Non-Aggression pact with Kanuckistan.

{snip}
ooc: Sigh. Pity so few people understand the concept of in character.

Still, considering that every single member of this alliance becomes a member after you say so, leads one to believe that you have power over this.

But, fine, whatever. Turn everything OOC and bitch at me because you made a flawed alliance. It's clear that you and yours would rather turn to OOC hostility than admit glaring flaws.

Enjoy yourself. Maybe this will last longer than it did last time, hey?

OOC: Notice how that was OOC, that I have not IC'ly bitched at you, and that I'm complaining because your IC characters just don't seem to get what I'm saying to them in plain Enlgish and that, IC'ly, Klonor can't just start swearing at other nations.

I (meaning the player) can when it seems that somebody just doesn't quite get something being said IC'ly. I mean seriously, how could your IC characters not get what they're being told to them? The only explanation I (the player) could think of was that you (the player) didn't get it and I wanted to explain it quite frankly. There is no problem with somebody explaining something OOC'ly (no matter how rudely) if somebody doesn't get something IC'ly.

And no, nobody becomes a member after my say-so. People become members the very second that they read and accept the Constitution. However, since nobody else ever bothers to ask them if they have, or respond if they say they have, I do. Any other member can do it exactly as I do.

And you have yet to point out the glaring flaws that you mention. Is it that we let hostile nations join? How is that a flaw? Since it is the goal of the GA to eventually have every single nation be a member (And yes, I know that will never happen, that doesn't change the fact that it is a goal of the GA) that means that eventually they will never be allowed to engage in unwarranted hostilities against anybody else. Where's the problem? Hell, that even provides that hostile nations victims with an easy escape route, if they start to lose a war they can join the GA and bam!, they're beyond the reach of that hostile nation and, if that hostile nation continues the attack, they will be ejected from the GA and the entire GA Fleet will be mobilized to deal with the attacker. So, not only will this eventually prohibit all war, this also greatly motivates other people to join the GA.

I see no flaws.

ooc:

I (meaning the player) can when it seems that somebody just doesn't quite get something being said IC'ly.I thought the source of Mavis' confusion was pretty clear.

And no, nobody becomes a member after my say-so. People become members the very second that they read and accept the Constitution. However, since nobody else ever bothers to ask them if they have, or respond if they say they have, I do. Any other member can do it exactly as I do.Perhaps you could have mentioned that in character, hmm? My character was going on what was evident in the thread, which was that you had final veto power. Had you mentioned that in character, Mavis would have largely shut up.

Is it that we let hostile nations join? How is that a flaw? Since it is the goal of the GA to eventually have every single nation be a memberActually, the complaint was about xenocidal, planet-destroying nations. What nation of non-humans, in their right mind, would want to join an alliance with a member like that? Not to mention the terrible PR. As Mavis stated, in a perfect world people wouldn't hold an alliance accountable for independant actions of members. But as Menelmacar's little bit at the beginning of this thread demonstrates, that is more assuredly not the case.

After all, one of the first complaints wasn't about her tirade, but about Yut.

Just something to keep in mind. But, since I've now been bitched out by you, and called a n00b godmodder by a nation far younger than me, I think I'll bid you good day. I can get this kind of abuse at home.

ooc:


Perhaps you could have mentioned that in character, hmm? My character was going on what was evident in the thread, which was that you had final veto power. Had you mentioned that in character, Mavis would have largely shut up.

Why would I have to mention that IC? Tell me, where in the Constitution, or anywhere else, does it say that I have an IC power different than any other GA member? Where do I veto anybody or give special permission? True, I don't say that I don't have special powers, but I also don't say that I am not your brother. Do you think that I'm your sibling merely because I don't say that I'm not? No? Then why would you think that I had special powers merely because I didn't say that I don't?

Actually, the complaint was about xenocidal, planet-destroying nations. What nation of non-humans, in their right mind, would want to join an alliance with a member like that?

Simple, because they are now completely safe from being harmed by that nation. They can now act with impunity without fear of xenocidal rampages and unjust planet-destruction. That's one of the main initiatives to join the GA, you get protectiong from other members (in addition to other nations)

Not to mention the terrible PR. As Mavis stated, in a perfect world people wouldn't hold an alliance accountable for independant actions of members. But as Menelmacar's little bit at the beginning of this thread demonstrates, that is more assuredly not the case.

Well, we simply don't care about PR. We'll do good, help those who legitimately need help, and we'll be seen as a force for good. If people view us in a negative light because of an action by a single nation, which has absolutely no support from the GA as a whole or even other members, then they're just not so bright. Your own example highlights my case perfectly, when other Yut nations showed up and said that M didn't speak for all of them then the nations acting hostile to Yut apologized and the problem was solved.

Just something to keep in mind. But, since I've now been bitched out by you, and called a n00b godmodder by a nation far younger than me, I think I'll bid you good day. I can get this kind of abuse at home.

And I have not bitched at you, I rudely corrected what I thought was a miscomprehension on your part. The two are quite different.

And I should point out that being a n00b is irregardless of age, you can be n00bish if you're a November '02 nation. Being a n00b means you act a certain way, regardless of your age, experience, or spelling ability. I'm not saying that you are a n00b, merely that just because you're older than another nation you're not automatically not a n00b. Just as an August '05 nation could very well call me a n00b if I act n00bish.

ooc:
Why would I have to mention that IC? Tell me, where in the Constitution, or anywhere else, does it say that I have an IC power different than any other GA member?Well, it doesn't really say one way or the other. My error. Typically, alliance founders retain this authority.

Simple, because they are now completely safe from being harmed by that nation.They are also unable to help other non-humans being pounded by said nation.

That's one of the main initiatives to join the GA, you get protectiong from other members (in addition to other nations)Sounds rather like the Mob to me. "Join us so we won't hurt you."

Your first paragraph made it sound like this was to protect the little guy from getting stomped on by big nations and alliances, as opposed to something to join to keep homicidal members of the alliance from pounding them.

Well, we simply don't care about PR. We'll do good, help those who legitimately need help, and we'll be seen as a force for good....until another planet full of non-humans gets blown up. But, I'm sure they deserved it.

Your own example highlights my case perfectly, when other Yut nations showed up and said that M didn't speak for all of them then the nations acting hostile to Yut apologized and the problem was solved.It also highlights your own members blaming Yut for M's actions. People will blame you for CF's actions regardless of your responsibility. It will paint your alliance in a bad light. And it will discourage membership. I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying that's how human nature works.

If you don't care about that, so be it.

And I have not bitched at you, I rudely corrected what I thought was a miscomprehension on your part. The two are quite different.Semantics.

And I should point out that being a n00b is irregardless of age, you can be n00bish if you're a November '02 nation.More semantics. Nevermind the fact that the claims were completely baseless and seemed to be based on A) my refusal (in character) to take their threats seriously and B) the misconception that I'm restricted to nuclear power (I still have no clue where that came from).

Of course, that's not your problem, so I'll let it drop. Siesatia and The Theoretical Physicist Who Knows All would rather just ignore people who don't buy into their pap.

PS- Enjoy the free bumps ;)

ooc:
Well, it doesn't really say one way or the other. My error. Typically, alliance founders retain this authority.

Yes, and typically that's also said in the Constitution or somewhere else. That's the whole point of having a Constitution, to set down the laws so that people don't just start caliming power and authority.


They are also unable to help other non-humans being pounded by said nation.

So those nations can join the Alliance, you could withdraw from the Alliance or hell, you could make a proposal to have that nation ejected from the Alliance. Your hands aren't exactly tied down the second you join.

Sounds rather like the Mob to me. "Join us so we won't hurt you."

Where the hell do you get that from? This is "Join us so we can protect you from other people and, as an added bonus, you don't even need to worry about other members anymore". If we'd threatened even a single nation with military action upon their refusal to join that would be a valid statement, but since we haven't it isn't. The opposite of forbidding military conflict is not endorsing conflict, it's merely not making any moves to stop it. There is a huge difference.

...until another planet full of non-humans gets blown up. But, I'm sure they deserved it.

Maybe they did, maybe they didn't. None of my concern, not the concern of the GA, not any of your concern, either. You're saying that merely because we're an Alliance that forbids war between members we're supposed to also forbid war between members and non-members? Why are you not out there talking to every single Alliance that has even a single warship and asking what they're doing to stop war between non-members?

It also highlights your own members blaming Yut for M's actions. People will blame you for CF's actions regardless of your responsibility. It will paint your alliance in a bad light. And it will discourage membership. I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying that's how human nature works.

No, they won't. No, it won't. No, it won't (again). I've been in God knows how many Alliances with CF and have never once been blamed for any of his actions. I have never had any of my Alliances blamed for its members actions, except by morons who can't distinguish between the two of them and I frankly don't care what they think. And I see it as no real loss if said morons don't want to join any of my Alliances, since they will only cast more bad light on the Alliance (Going by your arguments).

If you don't care about that, so be it.


Wow, figured that out so fast, did you?


Semantics.

No, me bitching you out is just me being an asshole and insulting you for no reason, with nothing to gain with no purpose. Me rudely correcting you is me being an asshole but making a point while doing so and having much to gain if you read what I wrote.
PS- Enjoy the free bumps ;)

I do not enjoy the free bumps, I am quite irritated with quite a bit that has happened in this thread and would gladly go back to the one-or-two-posts-a-day if it meant that people would stop having pointless, baseless, arguments over idiotic topics.

After reading this i'm amazed. Klonor is trying to start up an alliance for the good of its members (which is basically what an alliance is btw). And you grilling him for it?

Why do people have to rip holes in stuff? Guess i'll never know....

ooc:
So those nations can join the Alliance, you could withdraw from the Alliance or hell, you could make a proposal to have that nation ejected from the Alliance. Your hands aren't exactly tied down the second you join.Which requires changing the constitution because no such mechanism exists.

Where the hell do you get that from? This is "Join us so we can protect you from other people and, as an added bonus, you don't even need to worry about other members anymore".The difference is academic at best. And you're the one who said that joining would protect someone from homicidal nations.

You're saying that merely because we're an Alliance that forbids war between members we're supposed to also forbid war between members and non-members?Not in the slightest. I'm saying that having such a wide open policy is likely to attract people that will give your alliance a black eye.

Why are you not out there talking to every single Alliance that has even a single warship and asking what they're doing to stop war between non-members?Ah, the old "You have to complain about everyone before you can complain about anyone" argument. I started with this alliance. As an alliance in its inception, it should be easier to change, as opposed to trying to change a two year old alliance.

I have never had any of my Alliances blamed for its members actions, except by morons who can't distinguish between the two of them and I frankly don't care what they think.Nice to see you switching back to insulting me.

Wow, figured that out so fast, did you?Cute. It was a statement of resignation, not one of newly discovered information. Your myopic defence of the undefensable has been evident for awhile now.

No, me bitching you out is just me being an asshole and insulting you for no reason, with nothing to gain with no purpose. Me rudely correcting you is me being an asshole but making a point while doing so and having much to gain if you read what I wrote.Like I said, semantics.

I do not enjoy the free bumps, I am quite irritated with quite a bit that has happened in this thread and would gladly go back to the one-or-two-posts-a-day if it meant that people would stop having pointless, baseless, arguments over idiotic topics.So censor me by telling me to quit discussing it in your thread. It's better to silence the discord anyway.


After reading this i'm amazed. Klonor is trying to start up an alliance for the good of its members (which is basically what an alliance is btw). And you grilling him for it?

Why do people have to rip holes in stuff? Guess i'll never know....I'm sorry. I thought this was an open forum where people were allowed to voice concerns and comment on things. Guess I missed the memo where people were only allowed to reply if they agree. And considering I started this in character and only went out of character when others made the jump, I'm a little curious as to how it's now my fault.

Simple, because they are now completely safe from being harmed by that nation. They can now act with impunity without fear of xenocidal rampages and unjust planet-destruction. That's one of the main initiatives to join the GA, you get protectiong from other members (in addition to other nations)
Or they start shooting each other despite being in the same alliance.

Like what happened with the Legion of Defense, and we're almost certain that ESUS suffered similar problems.

Tell again, what does the Galactic Alliance do to prevent such internal conflicts?

~ Provisional Ministry for Foreign Affairs, DA

Or they start shooting each other despite being in the same alliance.

Like what happened with the Legion of Defense, and we're almost certain that ESUS suffered similar problems.

Tell again, what does the Galactic Alliance do to prevent such internal conflicts?

~ Provisional Ministry for Foreign Affairs, DA

Expel such members if it's unprovoked?

Or they start shooting each other despite being in the same alliance.

Like what happened with the Legion of Defense, and we're almost certain that ESUS suffered similar problems.

Tell again, what does the Galactic Alliance do to prevent such internal conflicts?

~ Provisional Ministry for Foreign Affairs, DA
I do believe it has been explained once, but I'll take a crack at it.
Members cannot declare war upon one another. If they do, they will be immediately expelled from the Galactic Alliance, and the member states of said alliance will attack the nation which was just expelled, for attacking the 'victim.' Simple and affective, as the prospect of being attacked by upwards of a dozen nations should make anyone restless. If you're wanting some kind of meaningless bureacracy or resolutions or something, I don't think we possess that.
As for the ESUS, you sound like you're talking about us in the past tense - make no mistake, we're all still very much alive, thank you.

Regards,
Valerio Yuval
Undersecretary of Foreign Relations
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From: The Community of Albedh
To: The Auspicious Leaders of the Galactic Alliance

Warmest Salutations,

We are a new-born starfaring nation and seek to align ourselves with the Galactic Alliance. We understand the implications of this action and recognize the legitimacy of the Constitution of the Alliance and bind ourselves to its authority. We are small in numbers and have little to offer, so we ask for the blessing and protection of Alliance.

Sincerely,
Urshevet Elrajiid
Central Speaker
Community of Albedh

OOC: Der Angst, the others nailed it down pretty well. Unjust harm to another nation is followed by expulsion from the GA and military action from the GA Fleet (Which, before you ask, is still in construction and no, is not even pretending to be anything of a power yet) and the other members nations. We will not tolerate violations of the Constituion and, unlike most other Alliances (both RL and NS), have our own military independent of the member nations (One of the things that people bitch about most about the RL UN is how they can't really force anybody to do anything, since their military is only the military of its members).

IC:

Direct Beam Transmission: Urshevet Elrajiid, Central Speaker, Community of Albedh
Transmission Origin: Ambassador Hunil, Security Council Klonor Representative, Galactic Alliance

We gladly welcome the Community of Albedh into the Galactic Alliance and hope that we are able to provide the requested protecting until you are able to stand on your own feet.

May I also take this moment to direct your attention to the treaty currently before the General Assembly for ratification? Your vote would be most appreciated (OOC: This goes for everybody).

Transmission Closed

Dear Valerio Yuval,

And what prevents some members of the alliance to have greater loyality to the expelled member than to the alliance at large, which would result in a large-scale split?

Oh, right. Nothing.

Furthermore, with regards to nations with penile compensation issues (Commonly referred to as 'Xenocidal'), we're sure that you realise that your alliance goals will sooner or later conflict with their own, yes?

Now, how much common sense does it take for you to realise that they'll be loyal for exactly as long as it helps them (Specifically, having alliance members die for them), just to backstab you the moment you cease to be useful?

Well, apparently more than you have.

I wonder... Do you eventually realise why basing an alliance on nothing but a signature (Rather than similiar philosophical outlooks with regards to politics, economy, society, the likes) is a fucking dumb idea? A dozen or more voices, every voice standing for something different, some of them hating each other... To put it simple, even the most basic decision processes will be considerably troublesome.

~ Provisional Ministry for Foreign Affairs & Ministry for International Mockery, DA

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Whoops, didn't know that you're incapable of replying ICly to IC posts, Klonor. But ok, my mistake. If you prefer to keep it ooc...

Anyway, parts of it have been addressed above. As far as the independent alliance fleet goes... It's made up of resources the members (Some of which would likely be glad to kill each other, just imagine a few elves and Facehuggeria...), yes? So, how exactly do you intend to have it work, again? Especially given that with your alliance lacking anything resembling true responsibility (Something you quietly gave up, what with being 'A normal member'), a central command structure, oh... Doesn't exist.

Oh, and then, assuming the unlikely case that all this multiple voices from a dozen different societies, some of which are rampantly anti-everything (foreign), actually manage to get together in this fleet (Unlikely, assuming that people are actually staying in character), you happen to have an independent fleet lacking oversight, given the lack of a central alliance structure... Last I checked, The Seraphim Order did something similar, and, much to their honour (oocly, of course), their military rebelled and took a good portion of the order's assets.

Facehuggeria even has contacts with said rogue military, and I suppose that it would have rather strong objections to an independent GA military.

Well, assuming that their 3bn+ people have a combined IQ of more than three and a half, anyway.

From:Colonel Joshua Niven, CSAF Dept. of Maintenance, Support, and Public Relations.
To: Relevan DA government official.

We are endlessly surprised that your officials at the Provisional Ministry of Foreign Affairs etc. still quote the so-called ‘penis compensation theory’ (the idea that people build big ships, big weapons, big cars etc. because they have small penises). We will gladly offer them a remedial course in psychoanalisis at the expense of the CSA Department of State.

OOC: And I suppose that it would have rather strong objections to an independent GA military.

OOC: Not really. They think they're sneaky enough to get the fleet to serve their own interests. They tried to get the ESUS to make an independent military force too.

Also, against my better judgement, I have not ignored Gallifrey. An IC post to this effect will come as soon as I can put in some more details.

OOC: DA, I replied to your question OOC'ly because it had already been answered by others IC'ly and I really didn't see the point in making yet another IC post when it wasn't needed. However, I didn't want to just completely ignore you so I typed up a quick OOC paragraph. I was just trying to be polite.

Furthermore, I would like to point out that I am an Elvish nation (partially), and me and CF have never had the tiniest problems. There are approcimately 500 millions Elves within the Associated Systems of Klonor, located primarily in the Epsilon Pegasi system, and CF has yet to even make a threatening statement towards Klonor, let alone any actual hostilities. I'm not denying that the GA has great potential of simply falling apart and degenerating into Civil War, but I am denying that it will fall apart merely because all of the nations are evil and hateful and can't work together at all without secretly trying to knife each other. The last GA was the same way and it didn't have the tiniest internal strife until after I withdrew my membership and the whole thing just kinda caved in on itself.

Also, most of your concerns have been taken into account when the GA was created and were left in because they'd be fun. I've been speaking to GA members over various IM sevices and we've been plotting just how we can have the GA Fleet rebel, who would be good to run that, etc. I'm in this game to have fun, not to be an undefeated God-Like Nation that never has any problems. When we get into Civil Wars and the like, things get interesting.

Besides, I'm also simply a college student who's playing an internet game for fun in his spare time, I truly just don't care enough to take the time to make the GA Constitution an iron-clad and realistic agreement that covers all the bases and provides for all of a thousand different eventualities.

Lord Xemu lets it be known as his indomitable and inescapable will that the nation known as 'Kanuckistan' be given a nominal 'yea' of approval. In his ineffable wisdom, the great and powerful Lord Xemu also desires and therefore makes it known that he looks forward to seeing the individual responses of the members of the Galactic Alliance and bids them a good day.

As Herald of the Galactic Alliance, the Galactic Confederacy would like to invite emmissaries from all Alliance nations to Teegeeack for a barbecue. Volcanoes are being prepped now to ensure the capability to deal with any sort of volume. It is the will of the Great Lord of the Confederacy that visitors avoid all locations on Teegeeack labeled OTIII and above due to residual radiation hazards from the aftermath of the gloriously successful Operation Incident II campaign for individual rights and freedoms.

~ First Class Sniveling Minion Chief-Minion

"Good morning. I'm Miranda Vera Cruz de la Hoya Cardenal, and I'm here in Klonor, interviewing the locals, so that the Angstian public can form an opinion on its own. A second, I'm seeing one, right here... Yes. You. HEY! YOU!"

Miranda and the innocent pedestrian eventually engage in a short running match, but eventually, Miranda wins, holding the exhausted man (He has pointy ears) on his collar. "Dear Sir..."

The smile is almost frightening. Must have something to do with doing interviews on a backwater world. And the frustration it results in. "Dear Sir. I see, you're elvish. May I ask you a few questions?"

Frightening and demanding, come to think of it.

"Y... yes."

"Good." comes the cheerful reply. "First question. What do you, as a pointy-eared citizen of Klonor, feel about Klonors association with Central Facehuggeria, a nation that may or may not, but certainly claims to have killed multiple billions of elves, and openly promotes their enslavement and extermination?"

"I..." The elf hesitates, but choking from Miranda's iron grip, he eventually replies. "I LOVE IT! BILLIONS OF MY KIND DIED FROM THEIR HANDS, AND THEY WANT TO SEE ME DEAD, TOO, BUT..." He hesitates, again. "BUT THIS IS A SMART MOVE! WE WILL BE PROTECTED!"

"Hum. I see. Don't you have feelings with regards to, ah... Revenge? They might have killed women, children... Raped them, tortured them... Many of your kind."

"NO! Please, I'm an elf. I'm above and beyond such petty feelings like revenge. In fact, you might say that I'm not even sentient. Not really, I mean. See, I lack... Emotion. Mostly."

"Hrm. Ok. So your people don't really have any desire to, ah... Protect their kind from this threat?"

"NOT AT ALL! After all, they could simply join the galactic alliance and be safe."

"The murderers of their kin would still run around, freely."

"So? What's done is done. We've moved beyond such primitive, animalesque feelings like, ah... Revenge, or justice. As I said before-"

"Hrm. I see. Thank you for your time."

Eventually, Miranda lets the elf go, watching him running away from 'That creepy woman' (So much for 'No Emotions'), as quickly as he possibly can.

Miranda looks at him for a few moments, then turns towards the camera, again, forcing a creepy smile upon herself. "Well then. Dear audience, you've seen it here on BSN. Bullshit News Networks: We bring you the truth. And I really don't think that this requires any further explanation. Damnit, where's my whiskey? No, the pure one..."

Eventually, the video fades out, leaving the screen for the compulsory advertisements. Fortunately, all things considered. A drunk Miranda is not a pleasant sight, as everyone knows since last christmas.

Poor Santa...

OOC: You know, I spent twenty minutes copy/pasting your post and subsituting key words with other ones to prove a point, but this is actually a lot easier.

I'm Jewish. I'm an American citizen. America is in NATO with Germany. Germany has killed and enslaved millions of Jews. I haven't the slightest problem with Germany. I have no urges for revenge against Germany. I haven't the slightest problem with Germany being in NATO with America.

My parents have no problems with Germany. My siblings have no problems with Germany. My Rabbi has no problems with Germany. Nobody I know has the tiniest problem with Germany.

Do you see my subtle point?

I understand what you're getting at, but the fact that Klonor and CF have never had any problems in history, that we have in fact been in numerous alliances together, and that a CF citizen is about to start courting the Klonor Head of State (If our RP ever starts up again) really doesn't lend itself to any Klonor/CF problems. Also the fact that the Elvish citizens are human in all ways except biology, with no independent culture, language, or customs, implies that they're not going to be up in arms against a nation hostile to people they share nothing but DNA with.

EDIT: But that was a funny and well written post.

OOC: You know, I spent twenty minutes copy/pasting your post and subsituting key words with other ones to prove a point, but this is actually a lot easier.

I'm Jewish. I'm an American citizen. America is in NATO with Germany. Germany has killed and enslaved millions of Jews. I haven't the slightest problem with Germany. I have no urges for revenge against Germany. I haven't the slightest problem with Germany being in NATO with America.

My parents have no problems with Germany. My siblings have no problems with Germany. My Rabbi has no problems with Germany. Nobody I know has the tiniest problem with Germany.

Do you see my subtle point?You would have a point if Germany was still exterminating jews, hunting them worldwide, and nuking major cities every week or so, while you were having military exercises with your german allies, occasionally getting drunk with your pals from the SS Totenkopf division and laughing at their jokes about your considerably distant relatives burning in ex-poland.

Alas, I do believe that the actual situation would require Klonor to attack and crush Central Facehuggeria, then organise a complex reeducation process while hanging its emperor and sentencing a good portion of its administration to significant prison sentences, and then having sixty years pass, to fit the comparison you're trying to pull.

Doesn't really work, sorry.

But I guess that's enough hijacking for now, so I shall finally leave this thread alone before anyone gets audibly angry <.<

Also the fact that the Elvish citizens are human in all ways except biology, with no independent culture, language, or customs, implies that they're not going to be up in arms against a nation hostile to people they share nothing but DNA with.

What's the point of having them then?

On behalf of the Godulan people, I would like to inquire as to whether... applications are still being taken to join this alliance. We have noticed that a couple allies of our own appear to be members already, and find ourselves curious as to whether we might be eligible to join them.

~Baron Aeraeon Skye, Primarch, Triad Consortium of Godular

OOC its me, tsurani, because I wish to be taken off the member list, mainly because Tsurani is no longer my nation anymore.

Love.