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please be open to other idea's truly i dont want to have rivals here but you disgust me in your tones and how you make yourself supirior to us, I want to tell you that we are all the same and we can all express our views, so please try to make us all welcome in here, I ask nothing more than thatOkay, I've sat and read this enough.

The fact is that you came in with a new nation to begin RPing in the World Cup, a tournament that has long been established by other NationStates players and has been around longer than I've had a country here. Some of the people here have been RPing in NS and in the World Cup for a long time to get the rankings they have. They have put a lot of time and effort into being the respected members of the NS World Cup football community that they are.

Now you're coming in and you presume to tell them how to run their tournament after only one prior Cup? Not to mention you try to do this after you have been warned repeatedly for abusive and insulting posts and you were deleted for making yet another post after the NationStates moderators warned you? And you have the NERVE to call Vilita arrogant?

You have managed to piss off several people in the space of these threads, including me. YOU WERE ONE OF THE REASONS THIS PARTICULAR THREAD WAS CREATED! After your country was deleted for another violation of forum rules (which you implicitly agree to by posting here), you have the gall to create several other nations to attempt to badger and cajole your way back into the tournament? If it were up to me, I wouldn't see hide nor hair of you again, but luckily, it's not up to me. Getting an opportunity to start over with one of your puppets is a VERY generous compromise in my opinion. I suggest you take the WC organizers up on it. Next time, the powers that be may not be nearly as generous.

*snip*

My goodness, who died and made you God almighty of the World Cup?

Somalialand (or Hiiraan, or whatever): if I were you (which, thank God, I'm not) I'd wait and hear from someone whose opinion actually matters. Don't get yourself worked up arguing with Vilita and Sarzonia.

You have managed to piss off several people in the space of these threads, including me. YOU WERE ONE OF THE REASONS THIS PARTICULAR THREAD WAS CREATED! After your country was deleted for another violation of forum rules (which you implicitly agree to by posting here), you have the gall to create several other nations to attempt to badger and cajole your way back into the tournament? If it were up to me, I wouldn't see hide nor hair of you again, but luckily, it's not up to me. Getting an opportunity to start over with one of your puppets is a VERY generous compromise in my opinion. I suggest you take the WC organizers up on it. Next time, the powers that be may not be nearly as generous.

You see Sarzonia, you are more attacking than explaining, it will better if you stayed out of this becuase you have no place in this discussion between me and the world cup Orginazation.

Somalialand was one of the rising stars in the nation and it shall be given a fair shake of what it has earned, Somalialand, My former state brought more Power and Legitimatcy than you have ever dreamed off, I was somalialand and I demend to be given a fair Shake of my points, All that negative he is talking about (VILITA) will not count because I did not earned them, It will be the best if the orginazation and its members give me the Fruit of my labor, The chance to get to where I was, I see your point of people being here a lot of year to get to where they die Without Any explanation than you accused yourself Shouldn't they be entitled to their Fruit with another nation and if they died of inactivity then they will not be back to ask for unlike me who have come to ask for my Points,


Vilita has decided to put all of his anger towards which makes him out of the realm of a good Nogatiator, I feel I should at least get something, I here asking for, that should mean something, Ain't that right

My goodness, who died and made you God almighty of the World Cup?

Somalialand (or Hiiraan, or whatever): if I were you (which, thank God, I'm not) I'd wait and hear from someone whose opinion actually matters. Don't get yourself worked up arguing with Vilita and Sarzonia.


Matter fact, I shall take your advise and disregard what these to bious fools think about me and my Nogatiations with the NS world cup Orginazation

You see Sarzonia, you are more attacking than explaining, it will better if you stayed out of this becuase you have no place in this discussion between me and the world cup Orginazation.

Somalialand was one of the rising stars in the nation and it shall be given a fair shake of what it has earned, Somalialand, My former state brought more Power and Legitimatcy than you have ever dreamed off, I was somalialand and I demend to be given a fair Shake of my points, All that negative he is talking about (VILITA) will not count because I did not earned them, It will be the best if the orginazation and its members give me the Fruit of my labor, The chance to get to where I was, I see your point of people being here a lot of year to get to where they die Without Any explanation than you accused yourself Shouldn't they be entitled to their Fruit with another nation and if they died of inactivity then they will not be back to ask for unlike me who have come to ask for my Points,


Vilita has decided to put all of his anger towards which makes him out of the realm of a good Nogatiator, I feel I should at least get something, I here asking for, that should mean something, Ain't that right

Forwarded on behalf of Rejistania, who is currently incapable of browsing the internet:

"You worked for deletion (no matter whether you were aware of that) and now you *do* earn the fruits of it"

As a former (current? I still can't tell) president of the WCC, I am probably able to call myself 'somebody whose opinion matters'. And while Iansisle had a point in waiting for confirmation before confrontation, I can now provide the confirmation that I support Vilita and Sarzonia.

The fact that you were deleted says a lot about you. I believe, also, that one nation is equal to one entity. Somalialand and Hiiraan are separate entities. Besides, you'd do better as Hiiraan (with zero KPB points) than Somalialand (which will have a deeply negative KPB points total). And the Cup of Harmony is an invite-only tournament and I can't see the hosts inviting you (if only because a lot of nations have been active in this World Cup).

And if an RL player committed an arrestable offense than he should be jailed and treated like anyone else. This is the nearest to an arrestable offense we've had in the World Cup so far, IMHO.

As a former (current? I still can't tell) president of the WCC, I am probably able to call myself 'somebody whose opinion matters'. And while Iansisle had a point in waiting for confirmation before confrontation, I can now provide the confirmation that I support Vilita and Sarzonia.

The fact that you were deleted says a lot about you. I believe, also, that one nation is equal to one entity. Somalialand and Hiiraan are separate entities. Besides, you'd do better as Hiiraan (with zero KPB points) than Somalialand (which will have a deeply negative KPB points total). And the Cup of Harmony is an invite-only tournament and I can't see the hosts inviting you (if only because a lot of nations have been active in this World Cup).

And if an RL player committed an arrestable offense than he should be jailed and treated like anyone else. This is the nearest to an arrestable offense we've had in the World Cup so far, IMHO.

First of all iam shocked and appauled by your reaction, I mearly asked the chance to be given at least 1 KPb point and if you have decided to start me over, well so be it, But i do not want to be seen as diffent from somalialand, I have also rped a fall of goverment,

Example: When germany fell for the Naza party back then they changed the flag and created a new nation, it was simple and easy [end]

So now, i will jsut start over but i dont want to be seen as a new nation instead as a new name of the old nation of somalialand

All right. Let's get some things straight. I am in no mood to argue today. Thus, what I say here goes, at least as far as World Cup 18 is concerned.

1. Somalialand was deleted by the NationStates moderators (Cogitation specifically) for reasons discussed in the relevent thread in the Moderation forum. I will not bring those up here. The point is, that nation *was* deleted, and therefore incurs the 80-point penalty associated with all deleted nations. These negative eighty points were earned, not on the pitch, but for other actions. It's just like in a league where the FA can deduct points for clubs that are sufficiently far in debt. This ruling will stand.

2. I have no problem with Somalialand returning in the form of another nation. That nation cannot enter World Cup 18, as it has already begun. RPs posted by that nation(s) can be counted on behalf of Somalialand, though.

3. Somalialand cannot enter the Cup of Harmony, as it does not exist. Hiiraan cannot enter the Cup of Harmony because it was not a participant in WC18. Hiiraan can enter the next Baptism of Fire if it is signed up for WC19, and Hiiraan can also enter WC19. Hiiraan will have a ranking equal to that of a brand-new nation to the World Cup, as that is exactly what it is.

And that is my final ruling on Somalialand for World Cup 18. Please feel free to return as Hiiraan (or another nation) in WC19.

All right. Let's get some things straight. I am in no mood to argue today. Thus, what I say here goes, at least as far as World Cup 18 is concerned.

1. Somalialand was deleted by the NationStates moderators (Cogitation specifically) for reasons discussed in the relevent thread in the Moderation forum. I will not bring those up here. The point is, that nation *was* deleted, and therefore incurs the 80-point penalty associated with all deleted nations. These negative eighty points were earned, not on the pitch, but for other actions. It's just like in a league where the FA can deduct points for clubs that are sufficiently far in debt. This ruling will stand.

2. I have no problem with Somalialand returning in the form of another nation. That nation cannot enter World Cup 18, as it has already begun. RPs posted by that nation(s) can be counted on behalf of Somalialand, though.

3. Somalialand cannot enter the Cup of Harmony, as it does not exist. Hiiraan cannot enter the Cup of Harmony because it was not a participant in WC18. Hiiraan can enter the next Baptism of Fire if it is signed up for WC19, and Hiiraan can also enter WC19. Hiiraan will have a ranking equal to that of a brand-new nation to the World Cup, as that is exactly what it is.

And that is my final ruling on Somalialand for World Cup 18. Please feel free to return as Hiiraan (or another nation) in WC19.


I have nothing to argue so I shall Accept this ruling.

To all nations who have still wish to post something about the subject I hav one Advise for you

DONT, Because its over have accepted the ruling unlike most of you out there who Argue The whole tournement before you take something seriously

My goodness, who died and made you God almighty of the World Cup?

Somalialand (or Hiiraan, or whatever): if I were you (which, thank God, I'm not) I'd wait and hear from someone whose opinion actually matters. Don't get yourself worked up arguing with Vilita and Sarzonia.


For the record, the final ruling from Bedistan is Identical to the response I gave to Somalialand in the post that you are referring to. Unlike Sarzonia, whose support I am appreciative of, and unlike yourself, Iansisle, I am a WCC Member. No I'm not the "God Almighty" of the cup, but I took the time to deal with Somalialand. If you want to sit back and take stabs at me because of it, thats fine, but do not tell me that my opinion does not matter when it comes straight from the rule book of the committee in which I represent. My previous attacks on Somalialand may have been aggrevated by the personal attacks on myself by Somalialand, but my reponse to Hiiraan was strictly informative, and hopefully the subsequent posts stating the same facts that I have presented by my fellow World Cup Committee members serve to prove this to you.

is there a WC19 sign up yet?

Yes

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=370100

thanks Vil.

For the record, the final ruling from Bedistan is Identical to the response I gave to Somalialand in the post that you are referring to. Unlike Sarzonia, whose support I am appreciative of, and unlike yourself, Iansisle, I am a WCC Member. No I'm not the "God Almighty" of the cup, but I took the time to deal with Somalialand. If you want to sit back and take stabs at me because of it, thats fine, but do not tell me that my opinion does not matter when it comes straight from the rule book of the committee in which I represent. My previous attacks on Somalialand may have been aggrevated by the personal attacks on myself by Somalialand, but my reponse to Hiiraan was strictly informative, and hopefully the subsequent posts stating the same facts that I have presented by my fellow World Cup Committee members serve to prove this to you.

Well, Aim the same person who had somalialand, I am still at you but i should be Carefull but to me your rsponse came to me as pure personnal.

But thank if you meant it to be informative

Well, Aim the same person who had somalialand, I am still at you but i should be Carefull but to me your rsponse came to me as pure personnal.

But thank if you meant it to be informative

I assume You still have my MSN address, if you wished to start over with our public relations :)

I assume You still have my MSN address, if you wished to start over with our public relations :)


no, i will write it this time, was the email again

Hiraan,

Bedistan's ruling is fair as it does not penalize you the person for your past actions. I know at least three people that would have you banned for life from any WCC event. So be happy with it.

However, your actions on this thread towards Vilita (which I will admit has baited you at some times) after I and a few others asked you to chill out continued bothered me. I also took offense of you demanding the WCC to do things how you want them to be done. Therefore, these actions have lead me to this decision.

The Eagle's Cup is a sanctioned WCC event. While it has no bearing on the KPB points, it falls under the auspices of the WCC. Since I run this tournament I have control of who enters. Entry is by signup, and the first 16 teams who sign up are entered. Puppets are allowed.

However.

Hiraan and any other puppet you have may not enter Eagle Cup IV. This is a international censure from The Eagle's Nest on your international relations towards other nations. We hope that your ambassadors can learn to be more civil towards others who try to provoke you and that in time, the sanction can be removed for Eagle's Cup V.

I get the feeling that Hiraan/Somalialand uses English as a second (possibly third or fourth) language. He/She does not seem all that fluent.

I bring up this point because, in my experience, when one is communicating in a language one is not pretty fluent in, there is a strong tendancy for mis-understandings to occur. I think a good deal of the issues/problems here in WCC-land for Somalialand/Hiraan could have something to do with this.

So/Hi - These guys are telling you the truth. The 80 point deduction is standard for any side that gets terminated by mods. And starting from scratch with a new nation really will give you a better start just like they say.

well if president and host both think the same way then i suppose i've got nothing to complain about.

However, i'd like to ask for at least some leniency in Hiiraan's treatment. Hiiraan won't be a newbie to WC19 and so shouldn't be treated like one. Remember how Brazillico re-generated in around sixtieth place? The rules shouldn't be different for a two-time cup winner than to a false-starting newer nation.

I'd like Somalialand's 80 point penality to be exchanged for a different kind of penalty. Either Hiiraan keeps Somalialand's KP ranking points but incurrs a nine-point deduction in their WC19 qualifying group, or Somalialand's KP ranking is halved/quartered and given to Hiiraan.

These are suggestions and if none of them are satisfactory then fair enough but deation or no deation, 80 points is very harsh. Ziotah i can understand because he was a gimp, but Hiiraan simply doesn't seem to know any better.

However.

Hiraan and any other puppet you have may not enter Eagle Cup IV. This is a international censure from The Eagle's Nest on your international relations towards other nations. We hope that your ambassadors can learn to be more civil towards others who try to provoke you and that in time, the sanction can be removed for Eagle's Cup V.

tsh, if i'd have signed up for the Eagles Cup i'd pull out in protest :p

However, i'd like to ask for at least some leniency in Hiiraan's treatment. Hiiraan won't be a newbie to WC19 and so shouldn't be treated like one. Remember how Brazillico re-generated in around sixtieth place? The rules shouldn't be different for a two-time cup winner than to a false-starting newer nation.

I think that there's a difference between 'letting a nation fall out of existence' and 'being deleted from the boards by Moderators' which, IMHO, is a lot worse.

Hiiraan starting again afresh (perhaps even ICly with Somalialands players, to give out some free RP ideas) as a brand-new non-ranked nation is a good way of starting a clean slate, and wiping our colective memories of any nastiness with Somalialand.

I think that there's a difference between 'letting a nation fall out of existence' and 'being deleted from the boards by Moderators' which, IMHO, is a lot worse.

Thats my points, I dont think so at all. Politics have nothing to do with football irl, and so shouldn't here either.

Either way, i'm just throwing my two pence into the ring [/mixing metaphors]

Now I realize i've had this window open for 25 minutes and Blade has already said the same thing :) So I'll say something else instead...


Think of it this way, If we allowed for a nation as such to come back and assume the former identity, then theoretically, someone could have created a new nation following Braz's ceasing to exist, said that they were Braz, and Voila, not only are they immediately ranked in the top 10 in the world, but they are hosting the cup! So it is a theoretical security blanket that, If it is not the same nation as far as NS is concerned, then it is not the Same Nation as far as the NS WC is concerned!

Remember how Brazillico re-generated in around sixtieth place?

Actually, I don't. I seem to recall Brazillico returning with new-nation status. Can you show me where you got this information?

Actually, I don't. I seem to recall Brazillico returning with new-nation status. Can you show me where you got this information?

First post of WC11, complete with full team list and rankings (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=5735064&postcount=1)

The rankings show Brazillico is 61st

First post of WC10, complete with full team list and rankings (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=5584361&postcount=1)

Brazillico nowhere to be seen.

Think of it this way, If we allowed for a nation as such to come back and assume the former identity, then theoretically, someone could have created a new nation following Braz's ceasing to exist, said that they were Braz, and Voila, not only are they immediately ranked in the top 10 in the world, but they are hosting the cup! So it is a theoretical security blanket that, If it is not the same nation as far as NS is concerned, then it is not the Same Nation as far as the NS WC is concerned!

I think its obvious enough that Hiiraan is Somalialand, and that if somebody logged on claiming to be Giant Zucchini or Halfassedstates we'd be a bit more sceptical.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=5735064&postcount=1

The rankings show Brazillico is 61st.



I think its obvious enough that Hiiraan is Somalialand, and that if somebody logged on claiming to be Giant Zucchini or Halfassedstates we'd be a bit more sceptical.


Still, that would leave it up to assumtions, and opens the door for controversy. By keeping a policy of "New Nation, New Ranking" Then It is very Clear Cut. There is no arguement and no exception, just a rule.

There is no arguement and no exception, just a rule.

Thats kind of my point, everything is open to interpretation.

I think audiosalve is properly right not because he is urguing on my side but he seems to get the point made by arabic speaking human being,

The laws can be interperted in manyways, in Actuality we need something like a constituion which clearly defines powers of every memebr and how things should be done in certain ways,

First this will help us in making most of our hands free from urguing people without any knowlodge and it will be better than rule told by word of mouth.

If we all agree we can decide to have a consitituion Event where any nation who wants can write a constituon, after all of them are submitted, the board reviews and takes the one better for the WCC and the rest of the players

For the record, the final ruling from Bedistan is Identical to the response I gave to Somalialand in the post that you are referring to. Unlike Sarzonia, whose support I am appreciative of, and unlike yourself, Iansisle, I am a WCC Member. No I'm not the "God Almighty" of the cup, but I took the time to deal with Somalialand. If you want to sit back and take stabs at me because of it, thats fine, but do not tell me that my opinion does not matter when it comes straight from the rule book of the committee in which I represent. My previous attacks on Somalialand may have been aggrevated by the personal attacks on myself by Somalialand, but my reponse to Hiiraan was strictly informative, and hopefully the subsequent posts stating the same facts that I have presented by my fellow World Cup Committee members serve to prove this to you.

For the record, I'm not the least impressed that you're an OMG! WCC MEMBER! Also for the record, your dealings with Hiiraan were completely provocative and clad in only the thinnest shell of decency. You know how that player responds when people attempt to argue with him; you should have dropped the argument until someone with actual authority came to back you up.

Again for the record (also notice my keen use of paragraphs here to keep my readers from becoming confused) you had no right to be saying "this is how it will be, no complaints or exceptions accepted" before Bedistan or anyone else with a legitimate claim on WC authority showed up with the final decision. You knew that would provoke Hiiraan/Somalialand, and yet you did it anyway.

So, in conclusion (and for the record), get off your high horse. You're no better than me or anyone else, WCC member or not. You have no more right than I do to antagonize Hiiraan/Somalialand, whatever your personal feelings on his attacks might be.

First post of WC11, complete with full team list and rankings (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=5735064&postcount=1)

The rankings show Brazillico is 61st

I stand corrected. Can't say I agree with the practice, though.

I get the feeling that Hiraan/Somalialand uses English as a second (possibly third or fourth) language. He/She does not seem all that fluent.

ن ـ من عبدالعظيم حماد ومازن حسان

الرئيس حسنى مبارك خلال مباحثاته مع رئيس وزراء ولاية شمال الراين
افتتح الرئيس حسني مبارك‏,‏ والمستشار الألماني جيرهارد شرودر معرض توت عنخ آمون‏..‏ العالم الآخر الذهبي في مدينة بون‏,‏ وألقي الرئيس مبارك كلمة في هذه المناسبة‏,‏ أكد فيها أن المعرض بمثابة رسالة تؤكد أن الثقافة ستظل جسرا قويا للحوار الإنساني بين الشعوب‏,‏ فإذا كان المهرجان الألماني في القاهرة قد أتاح للشعب المصري فرصة فريدة للتعرف علي جوانب إبداعية عديدة في الثقافة الألمانية‏,‏ وأتاح فرصا متزايدة لتحقيق التواصل المطلوب بين شعبي مصر وألمانيا في مجالات الثقافة والفكر والعلم‏,‏ فإن معرضنا الفرعوني يقدم فرصة مماثلة لتعميق البعد التاريخي في علاقاتنا بتعريف الشعب الألماني الصديق بالحضارة المصرية التي امتدت إلي آلاف السنين‏.‏ وأضاف الرئيس أننا نتطلع إلي مستقبل يوثق العلاقات بين مصر وألمانيا‏,‏ ويحقق الأمن والاستقرار في المنطقة‏.‏
وقد عقد الرئيس مبارك‏,‏ والمستشار شرودر جلسة مباحثات تناولا فيها الأوضاع في الشرق الأوسط‏,‏ ومبادرة خافيير سولانا‏,‏ الممثل الأعلي لسياسة الاتحاد الأوروبي‏,‏ حول السلام في المنطقة‏,‏ وسوف يعرض شرودر نتائج مباحثاته مع الرئيس مبارك علي قمة الاتحاد الأوروبي‏.‏

وكان سولانا قد قدم لوزراء خارجية الاتحاد الأوروبي خلال اجتماعهم في بروكسل أمس الأول تحليلا حول السبل المتاحة أمام الاتحاد للعمل من أجل السلام في الشرق الأوسط‏,‏ في إطار انسحاب إسرائيلي من قطاع غزة‏.‏
وقال سولانا‏:‏ إن غزة ستعطي فرصة للفلسطينيين لكي يتولوا الوضع‏,‏ لكن أعتقد أن ذلك سيكون جزءا من عملية فك ارتباط ليس فقط في غزة‏,‏ بل أيضا في كل الأراضي المحتلة‏.‏

وأوضح أن الاتحاد الأوروبي سيحاول التحرك في أربعة اتجاهات‏,‏ أهمها التعاون في المجال الأمني‏,‏ كما أنه يرغب في الدفع باتجاه إصلاح السلطة الفلسطينية‏,‏ وتقديم مساعدة اقتصادية‏,‏ ودعم الانتخابات‏.‏
وقد التقي الرئيس مبارك مع بيير شتاينروك رئيس وزراء ولاية نورد راين فستفالين ـ الذي صرح عقب اللقاء ـ بأن المباحثات تركزت علي تطورات الوضع السياسي في المنطقة‏.‏
كما التقي الرئيس مبارك مع السيدة باربارا ديكمان عمدة مدينة بون‏.‏

I have been writing this for merely 2 minutes (Fake egyptian story in arabic, got it from the brain)

And yeah guess what i use at home now, I am from somalia originaly and yeah it does not take you another thought of what i use at home, Iam a *somali*

and as you have seen, most of as are arabic

I stand corrected. Can't say I agree with the practice, though.

You don't stand corrected. Brazillico started from nothing, but due to a large amount of RPing in WC10 had a rank of 61 under RPR.

You don't stand corrected. Brazillico started from nothing, but due to a large amount of RPing in WC10 had a rank of 61 under RPR.


This to my knowlodge its non-sense, A nation cannot come from 0 to 61 just with one world cup.

How come they are in 61 just few levels below the host at the 33 [Total n Utter Insanity ,]
In fact he was the better player here, Total n Utter Insanity was performing better, and a new nation just captured the 61st post, these could happen in 2 ways, either we were all dump, or we didn't pay attention to the team

at this point If get just few points of my former points then i would be happy in starting out again

but if you sincerely fell that should restart no matter what comes up then I shall restart and i said before, i am still bound by the rules of the game.

I guess i will see ya at the BoF and the Next World cup,

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I aslo want to thank Audioslave for his persistant help in this situation, Audioslave, i feel the majority are against the rules and the majoriy wants something diffrent and as player who is bound by the rules like everyone else here, i should regard;ess of belief take the ruling of bedistan

This to my knowlodge its non-sense, A nation cannot come from 0 to 61 just with one world cup.

Fortunately, your knowledge can be blamed for this misunderstanding. Back at this time a completely different ranking system was being used, and this rank holds no comparison to the ranks we are discussing today.

Fortunately, your knowledge can be blamed for this misunderstanding. Back at this time a completely different ranking system was being used, and this rank holds no comparison to the ranks we are discussing today.

I have enough info about the world cup,

*read the wiki thing*

Please be quiet Hiiraan. I know more about WC11 Rankings than anyone else seeing I made them.

Somalialand/Hiiran: I suggest you stop. Further posts which will piss any of us off WILL BE REPORTED to the moderators by myself for flamebait. THIS IS NOT YOUR CUP. PLEASE STOP TELLING US HOW TO RUN IT. If you think we are biased against you for being Arab, or something, go ahead, think that way - WE AREN'T, and I for one cannot stand anymore of this nonsense. The host's ruling is final. You will NOT be allowed to enter CoH. ALSO - you do not know enough about the cup. Stop saying you do.



EDIT: Bedistan, the mod which killed Somalialand off is The Most Glorius Hack.

Hiiran, if you wish to complain against Hack's decision, admin@nationstates.net is where you can appeal, but good luck.

Sigh.

As stated in the Moderation thread, you received warnings before being deleted. Now, you haven't been given a DOS order or anything, so let's keep it that way, hmm?

So - Hi: You have to stop contradicting folks when they post facts about the history of the cup. At that time, 61 was a pathetic rank - and Brazillico was an extremely well liked long-time participant who did a LOT of VERY GOOD RPs.

Vilita - You're pushing So-Hi on purpose, as Iansisle already said. I think that needs to stop.

WCC members - please take note of the tone and content of Vilita's posts in response to Somalialand and Hiraan. I recommend that if it continues, some form of censure be taken.

Having english not as first language is no problem, posting arabic letters is a problem for me (and this is not racist) because I am not able to view unicode or arabic letters and thought my browser was broken (atm, I am using a textmode-browser called links).

I really like the fact that people try to RP without having english as first language, I am trying that too. and seeing a new RPer is good. However I am feeling that the OOC-discussion is kinda pointless. V and LE are controversal personalities and I do not agree to how they said things. However, I do also not accept any insults. I am ACTING president and I really urge everyone to keep it civil. Count from 20 backwards to 0 before posting a response, or drink half a cup of coffee, or smoke something... you get the idea.

I believe that if you do not insult anyone (always remember that things might sound more offensive than intended, take that into account when posting), you can re-gain your rank easily.

:)

Somalialand/Hiiran: I suggest you stop. Further posts which will piss any of us off WILL BE REPORTED to the moderators by myself for flamebait. THIS IS NOT YOUR CUP. PLEASE STOP TELLING US HOW TO RUN IT. If you think we are biased against you for being Arab, or something, go ahead, think that way - WE AREN'T, and I for one cannot stand anymore of this nonsense.

It is you and Vilita who are flamebating, LE. You two respond to Hiiraan's posts in such a contemptuous and hostile manner which only incites arguments, thus you are flamebating.

The host and the president have made their decisions on how to treat Hiiraan, and after thinking about it, i think the 'fresh start' option is the best idea.

in Actuality we need something like a constituion which clearly defines powers of every memebr and how things should be done in certain ways,

I think the WCC has had enough constitutions for one lifetime :p The WC hosts have the final say on what happens in the world cup, whereas the president has the final say on what happens regarding incidents such as this. They both take into account other RPers opinions when making these decisions (Total 'n Utter Autocracy notwithstanding ;)) and so we have a fair system :)

audiosalve

What am i? decibel cream? :p

It is you and Vilita who are flamebating, LE. You two respond to Hiiraan's posts in such a contemptuous and hostile manner which only incites arguments, thus you are flamebating.

Incorrect - his posts are the one which incur these replies - he is the one flamebaiting, as TMGH has already indirectly pointed out.

So - Hi: You have to stop contradicting folks when they post facts about the history of the cup. At that time, 61 was a pathetic rank - and Brazillico was an extremely well liked long-time participant who did a LOT of VERY GOOD RPs.

Emphasis mine: Do you think you're well-liked, Hiiraan?

What am i? decibel cream? :p

"Stood too close to the speakers at a festival? Can't hear very... I said, CAN'T HEAR VERY MUCH? USE AUDIOSALVE! FOR ALL YOUR PERFERATED-EARDRUM NEEDS!"

Man, I need some decibel cream now...

Emphasis mine: Do you think you're well-liked, Hiiraan?

And that isn't flamebating?

I like him well enough

incorrect - his posts are the one which incur these replies - he is the one flamebaiting, as TMGH hasn't already pointed out at all.

Emphasis mine. 'Liberties With Quote' also mine...

"Stood too close to the speakers at a festival? Can't hear very... I said, CAN'T HEAR VERY MUCH? USE AUDIOSALVE! FOR ALL YOUR PERFERATED-EARDRUM NEEDS!"

Not available in the following countries:

Giant Zucchini
Errinundera
Brazillico
Lunatic Goofballs
Gilmeecia
East Spaam
Dark Outcasts
Somalialand

for the reason that they don't exist.

My Posts in response to Hiiraan, while maybe carrying an angered undertone, have not, unlike the posts from Liverpool England, created any New arguements or Insults. My posts on the subject, tone or no tone, have been strictly responsive and have required no further response on the subject. I have posted a detailed reponse to Hiiraan's original request, which fell inline with the eventual ruling from Bedistan, supported by other members. My post did not include any new attacks towards Hiiraan or any other user, yet Iansisle responded with an attack, not only against me, but against Sarzonia. My other communication's with Hiiraan in this thread has been entirely civil about exchanging MSN addresses, which we have done finally and utilized, and another case, again purely informative and not introducing any new topics, simply to declare that the ranking system from WC11 is different from the one now.

If you do not see my posts in this light, then I ask you what your reason for this is, and ask you to read it again and consider this fact before accusing me of all the things you are throwing at me.

I said your posts the manner/tone of your posts were hostile and contemptuous

Somalialand loses it's 80 points. Somalialand keeps its own ranking, which is worse than piss with -66 Points. So you are lucky that you get your Rank reset. You don't get to compete in the Harmony Cup because it is an Invite Only for teams that participated in the World Cup, which you no longer have with your active nation.

To me, this is a hostile response, simply because of the tone of the Hiiraan post you were replying to...

can i please keep my Ranking and points or drop me back to the BoF and make me also compete in the Harmony cup to make it up


...was a plea for some kind of help and didn't need such a coldly-worded authoritarian response

If you do not see my posts in this light, then I ask you what your reason for this is, and ask you to read it again and consider this fact before accusing me of all the things you are throwing at me.

I think this post sums up the way your posts have a hostile manner. You start off OK, but then go either defensive, like the above post, or aggressive (ask Sir Stick-Up-The-Arse). When Somalialand/Hiiraan posts something you don't like, you get all authoritatve and then you get aggressive. The authoritative part incites anger because no-one likes to be told what to do by someone who they don't believe has any authority* and the aggressive part incites a response. Angry responses are flaiming, and thus your posts incite flame. Hence flamebating.

* although to be fair you have more than the average seeing as youre in the WCC. I'll also use this asterisk (and edit) to apologise for chronic use of the word 'Authority' and to put the word 'authoritative' where i originally wrote 'authoritarian' which is a different word with a very different meaning...

Emphasis mine: Do you think you're well-liked, Hiiraan?
I so feel like reporting you for trolling. Calm down! I prefer Somaliland over any non-RPing n00b. He made mistakes in the beginning of course, but I believe that he is trying to learn and improve!

I so feel like reporting you for trolling.

Go ahead. I'll see what the mods say. I know what is trolling and what isnt - I've been around far longer than you and and more active than you regarding many moderation issues.

Emphasis mine: Do you think you're well-liked, Hiiraan?


So - Hi: You have to stop contradicting folks when they post facts about the history of the cup. At that time, 61 was a pathetic rank - and Brazillico was an extremely well liked long-time participant who did a LOT of VERY GOOD RPs.Emphasis removed by original author.

LE, I posted this to try to help calm down the situation. You're added emphasis and comment are an attempt to make the situation worse by trying to get a negative reaction from Hiraan. I suggest you either offer something reconciliatory, or leave off entirely.

<snip>
I am not trying to scare of any newbies, or in this case, n00bies, but I'm just speaking my mind. EDIT - I'll call in the mods one final time. And I EXPECT every single one of us including myself to accept Hack's ruling and stop this nonsense. This will happen when he comes online, of course.

I did recieve no single posting/TG/mail/IRC-comment/carrier pigeon with a negative statement about TEN's and SN38's proposal. I however DO see a need for it as desperate last attempt to keep the World Cup enjoyable. Do to this: the ACTING president of the WCC declares this proposal:

"If a country or countries continue to provoke or participate in OOC arguments that are personal in nature after being warned by the WCC President and/or Vice President to stop, the President may choose to impose a 3 point penalty on said team(s). This may be repeated for each incident during the cup."

as OFFICIAL rule. (please someone post it in the rules thread as my system is FUBAR atm)

I did recieve no single posting/TG/mail/IRC-comment/carrier pigeon with a negative statement about TEN's and SN38's proposal. I however DO see a need for it as desperate last attempt to keep the World Cup enjoyable. Do to this: the ACTING president of the WCC declares this proposal:

"If a country or countries continue to provoke or participate in OOC arguments that are personal in nature after being warned by the WCC President and/or Vice President to stop, the President may choose to impose a 3 point penalty on said team(s). This may be repeated for each incident during the cup."

as OFFICIAL rule. (please someone post it in the rules thread as my system is FUBAR atm)

I'd like that rule to include hosts having the right to impose the penalty, and seperately, KP is the President, and since he's around, there's no need for a VP. ;)

[LE here btw]

LE: I h*te to say it (ah, who am I kidding...I don't), but you actually have as much to say as Somalialand on the matter of WCC rules. And since the acting president's term has never been officially ended by the WCC, Rejistania is still ACTING president (and not VP, as you seem to believe)

LE: I h*te to say it (ah, who am I kidding...I don't), but you actually have as much to say as Somalialand on the matter of WCC rules. And since the acting president's term has never been officially ended by the WCC, Rejistania is still ACTING president (and not VP, as you seem to believe)

That was my mistake I did mean to put down AP instead of VP, but there is no need for an AP, is there?

I'd like that rule to include hosts having the right to impose the penalty, and seperately, KP is the President, and since he's around, there's no need for a VP. ;)

[LE here btw]
There was a reelection because KP's term was limited until SN38 would come back. He did and TnUI and me recieved an equal amount of votes. TnUI is president, I am ACTING president and KP is VP.

Fair enough, but if we have a Pres why do we need an Acting Pres?

That was my mistake I did mean to put down AP instead of VP, but there is no need for an AP, is there?
The AP can decide more easily on stuff. no need to re-check with TnUI on every single stance. I could pass legislation if TnUI disagrees if a high number of others agree to it.

Ah, OK.

May I suggest that the Acting President is included in that rule too, then?

-snip-

This is a very well produced and respectable matter of opinion, and I thank you for that.

This is a very well produced and respectable matter of opinion, and I thank you for that.

:) Cheers fella

and belt up LE :)

Because I feel left out, here's a brief history lesson:

[I was shocked to see that somebody made a comment about Hitler changing the name and flag of Germany when he took over (although I can't remember who it was), so here's what really happened]

Basically, when Hitler lost WW2, the Allies (Britain, France, America and the USSR) split up Germany into four zones, of which they each took one. However, Berlin was deep inside the USSR's zone, so they decided to split Berlin up into four sections too. Now, some time later, Britain, France and America decided to combine their zones into one big one. As this was during the Cold War, Stalin thought that the others were trying to revive the German army to destroy him, so he blocked all access to Berlin. However, the Allies started to transport supplies into Berlin by plane (it became known as the Berlin Airlift), and eventually Stalin conceded and opened the borders. But as a result, both the Allies and the USSR changed the name of their zones, the Allies to the FDR (Federal Republic of Germany) and the USSR to the GDR (German Democratic Republic), and they became two separate countries. When Krushchev built the Berlin wall, it separated the two countries completely, and they then became the countries we are more familiar with: East and West Germany.

So there we have it: Hitler had nothing to do with changing the name of Germany.

Somalialand (or whatever you're called now) your comments in the WC19 signup thread were quite uncalled for.

This is not personnal in no way, its not even offensive.

I [the dude who wrote about germany] was not talking about the fall of germany but the begining of the nazi germnany


And yeah everyone i prefer to be called Hiiraan from now on.

Dont call me hiiraan/somalialand just call me hiiraan

and yeah, how are my comments uncalled fro when i have said nothing about LE, If i did, Then i would have known

I did recieve no single posting/TG/mail/IRC-comment/carrier pigeon with a negative statement about TEN's and SN38's proposal. I however DO see a need for it as desperate last attempt to keep the World Cup enjoyable. Do to this: the ACTING president of the WCC declares this proposal:

"If a country or countries continue to provoke or participate in OOC arguments that are personal in nature after being warned by the WCC President and/or Vice President to stop, the President may choose to impose a 3 point penalty on said team(s). This may be repeated for each incident during the cup."

as OFFICIAL rule. (please someone post it in the rules thread as my system is FUBAR atm)Been added to the first post as RULE 71

note - this actually provides a means to enforce rule 3

Liverpool England, I want you to just ignore Hiiraan if you can't discuss things without resorting to throwing jibes at him. No more of this, please or there will be consequences.

UPDATE

While preparing to update the first post on the World Cup Reference Book thread, found the following with regard to WCC members -

Ceased to Exist
Ravenspire
Giant Zucchini

Last Activity 20 days ago
Europa Brittania

Last Activity 9 days ago
One Red Dot

Last Activity 7 days ago
The Eagles Nest

Last Activity 3 days ago
Brazillico
Lemmitania

Message to LE, Vil, and anyone else who seems to have it in for Hiiraan.

Stop Acting Like Freakin' Four Year Olds.

Yes, Somalialand was a thorn in the side of WC18. But Hiiraan has learned his lessons, has been somewhat chastised by the mods, and now seems like he wants to just try and restore some shattered credibility. Please, for the love of Whoever, let him. Remember V, you has this trouble with Maserrat. And no-one seems to have a problem with him now.

If someone knows Arabic and would like to send Hiiraan a copy of the WCC Regs, I think this would be a good idea. If it were, say, Rejis in this situation, I would be willing to (attempt to) translate the Regs into German.

PS: History fact for Hiiraan. Germany's name did not change under Hitler. Germany became seperate after WW2, and that's when the name changed.

Now, any more bait, traps or anything else from you two and I'm taking this up with TnUI/Rejis/KP/Whoever Else to get you suspended from the WCC. You're supposed to set a good example to the new players and you should be ashamed of yourselves.

If someone knows Arabic and would like to send Hiiraan a copy of the WCC Regs,

Thanks for the sugesstion but, Iam good with english at this point

Remember V, you has this trouble with Maserrat. And no-one seems to have a problem with him now.

I know, I was going to ask him if he wanted to co-host with me but he got Fmjphoenix instead :)

I know, I was going to ask him if he wanted to co-host with me but he got Fmjphoenix instead :)

Didn't you JUST host one?

Greedy sod.

[/tongue-in-cheek]

Wow, now I've had three offers! So much choice...if only I'd waited. No offence to fmjphoenix implied, it's just that it might be an idea to watch somebody who's done it before, just to get a feel for it.

Wow, now I've had three offers! So much choice...if only I'd waited. No offence to fmjphoenix implied, it's just that it might be an idea to watch somebody who's done it before, just to get a feel for it.

I suggest that you and Fmjphoenix try hosting the Cup of Harmony first, as its a much smaller and (don't smack me, CoH-ers) less important tournament to run.

*gets smacked*

Ow... Weilding a tournament with 16 or so RPing team is managable for a debut hosting pair, whereas managing 80-odd teams is really throwing yourself into the shark-infested deep end.

Star-"You want to host a World Cup, are you quite mad?"-blaydia :D

My head hurts from reading these last 2 days.

1. SN38: I'm still here. Can someone post a link to the rule thread so that ALL can see it?

2. LE,V, Hi: stop. just for the love of all that is good in the world. stop. Quit throwing your e-penises out about the fight. stop, let it die, and move on.
otherwise I am going to petition that all three of you get slapped with the 3 poin penalty at the beginning fo WC19. just let it die.

please.

my head hurts.


Now i am going to go into that corner and implode. thank you good bye. see you later.


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*muffled sucking sounding boom*

...Weilding a tournament with 16 or so RPing team is managable for a debut hosting pair, whereas managing 80-odd teams is really throwing yourself into the shark-infested deep end.

I don't know how fmj feels, but I personally feel capable of pulling it off successfully. Of course, if we're not given the chance, we won't be able to prove ourselves...(BIG HINT - VOTE FOR US!!!)

My head hurts from reading these last 2 days.

1. SN38: I'm still here. Can someone post a link to the rule thread so that ALL can see it?

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=323682 as obliged

2. LE,V, Hi: stop. just for the love of all that is good in the world. stop. Quit throwing your e-penises out about the fight.

*trying to laugh but can't due to no smilies for it ;)* Well said :)

I believe I am due an apology, TEN. I've long mended my reltionship with Hiiraan. I'm even considering taking him onto the Communications Committee pending a vote.

I don't know how fmj feels, but I personally feel capable of pulling it off successfully. Of course, if we're not given the chance, we won't be able to prove ourselves...(BIG HINT - VOTE FOR US!!!)

I Support the suggestion that you should run for CoH first.

I Support the suggestion that you should run for CoH first.

Am in agreement here.

Really? Well, if so many people think we should, I'll contact fmj and get that sorted out. Just as long as we don't then get rejected. :)

Really? Well, if so many people think we should, I'll contact fmj and get that sorted out. Just as long as we don't then get rejected. :)

You are going to be up against CS/TBF and Krytenia/Oddslavo [my puppet], so I won't guarantee non-rejection.

For the convenience of the Host Selection Committee:

Cup of Harmony Hosting Bid - Oddslavo/Krytenia (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=371484)
Cup of Harmony Hosting Bid - Cockbill Street/The Belmore Family (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=371448)
Cup of Harmony Hosting Bid - Maserrat/fmjphoenix (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=371565)

WC 18 Qualifiers

Games Goals
Rnk Name KPB Won Scored Points
001 Rejistania 63.10 12 46 48
002 Bedistan 50.42 N/A N/A N/A
003 Total n Utter Insanity 45.40 10 32 33
004 Eauz 44.94 N/A N/A N/A
005 The Eagle's Nest 42.25 10 32 31
006 Audioslavia 41.83 12 39 37
007 Vilita 39.52 11 41 35
008 NEWI Cefn Druids 38.11 12 28 38
010 Svecia 37.69 11 34 35
011 Iansisle 36.22 10 36 31
012 Liverpool England 36.06 12 43 38
013 Melmond 35.98 9 24 29
015 Commerce Heights 35.14 8 32 26
016 Squornshelous 34.68 11 33 33
017 Kaze Progressa 34.33 10 32 33
018 Dance 2 Revolution 31.59 9 35 29
021 Starblaydia 30.60 8 28 27
022 The Lowland Clans 29.85 8 27 25
024 Crystilakere 28.56 9 38 30
026 One Red Dot 26.54 7 21 25
027 Aquiliana 25.71 6 30 21
028 Lemmitania 25.11 8 24 28
029 Turori 24.88 9 22 30
030 Lovisa 24.30 8 23 27
033 EL CID THE HERO 20.99 6 19 22
034 Tadjikistan 20.85 7 30 23
039 Jeruselem 18.84 6 23 21
046 Snub Nose 38 15.42 7 26 23
061 Esth 6.38 7 21 15
071 Artoonia 4.40 5 19 19
109 Druida 0.67 8 23 26
112 Eskrador 0.50 7 19 23

Sorry, came over all Progressy with the rankings and the final tables. Thie table shows that higher-ranking teams win more games than lower ranking teams. It will also show you that many many teams begin with the letters 'E', 'T' and 'S'.

WC 18 Qualifiers

Games Goals
Rnk Name KPB Won Scored Points
001 Rejistania 63.10 12 46 48
012 Liverpool England 36.06 12 43 38

Hrmmm... I wonder what's the difference...

[Rejistania scored 38 points, not 48]

Sorry, came over all Progressy with the rankings and the final tables. Thie table shows that higher-ranking teams win more games than lower ranking teams. It will also show you that many many teams begin with the letters 'E', 'T' and 'S'.

Other than Eauz?

Hrmmm... I wonder what's the difference...

[Rejistania scored 38 points, not 48]

Rejis get 4 points a win under the latest WCC Rule brought in by Rejistania.

Other than Eauz?
Don't forget EL CID, Esth, and Eskrador.

Hrmmm... I wonder what's the difference...

[Rejistania scored 38 points, not 48]
Rejis get 4 points a win under the latest WCC Rule brought in by Rejistania.

As Confucuous (sp?) say.... 'oh fuck off ya bastids' :p

Rejis get 4 points a win under the latest WCC Rule brought in by Rejistania.
hmmm, did I allow my evil twin to use my account... or was my password too simple...?


OOC:Sorry to came in when least needed but, WHERE IS BEDISTAN AND THE WCC POLICE WHEN NEEDED This supposed to be a WORLD CUP RP thread, not ACCUSE EACH OTHER THREAD,

I suggest we go back to world cup disscussion


This is a series of funny IC insults and due to this allowed. I do not believe anyone takes it serious (except you).

hmmm, did I allow my evil twin to use my account... or was my password too simple...?



This is a series of funny IC insults and due to this allowed. I do not believe anyone takes it serious (except you).

The only thing I was worried about was bedi having to count their RP bonus' in intervals of 0.0020283 :cool: :headbang: :headbang:

hmmm, did I allow my evil twin to use my account... or was my password too simple...?



This is a series of funny IC insults and due to this allowed. I do not believe anyone takes it serious (except you).

Don know if i can believe all that Squornshelous writes but I never take TnUIs stuff serious :D

I do not believe anyone takes it serious (except you).

My general policy is not to take anything said IC in the World Cup / sports rps at large seriously. I find that helps my blood pressure quite a bit. :)

The more silly rivalries the better, as far as I'm concerned.

Just thought I'd add my pointless weight into the debate - anyone found taking anything seriously ever will get their own personal slap with what I like to call a 'large trout' that I keep with me at all times.

However, the overriding smell of fish is usually enough to put off the hardiest of souls.

Just thought I'd add my pointless weight into the debate - anyone found taking anything seriously ever will get their own personal slap with what I like to call a 'large trout' that I keep with me at all times.

However, the overriding smell of fish is usually enough to put off the hardiest of souls.

Why don't you just wave your uniforms in their face... you may blind them out of horror :p

The more silly rivalries the better, as far as I'm concerned.

'Hey! That's not something my son cooked up in metalwork class, that's the fifth Cherry Cup, dammit!'


Oh, wait, this should be in the CC7 RP Thread, whenever that starts. My bad.

'Hey! That's not something my son cooked up in metalwork class, that's the fifth Cherry Cup, dammit!'

'Then why does it look like a badly welded bookcase, eh? Eh?' *poke poke*

Um, right. My bad too. :) Sorry to all the people who have no idea what we're talking about.

Message from the ACTING president: the voting booths are open now and the voting machines ready to miscount the votes you TGed to "A violent majority" (a puppet of mine, which I regularily use for TGs since my own TG-box is always full). Remember that you might need a ID-card, your voter's registration, a certificate confirming your literacy, a knitting needle (to make sure that the punch card has a real hole in it and is not just scribed) and in certain cases a right decision of the supreme court to have your vote counted. The ACTING president did not allow the UN, OSCE or other organisations to monitor the elections.

Ah, think i'll just register my vote now... what? Pat Buchanan!? but i didnt press that button!? D'oh!

I suggest that you and Fmjphoenix try hosting the Cup of Harmony first, as its a much smaller and (don't smack me, CoH-ers) less important tournament to run.

I wouldn't smack you for that... after all, the Cup of Harmony is the NS World Cup's version of the NIT. ;)

[For anyone who doesn't know, the NIT stands for National Invitation Tournament and it's for teams with winning or .500 records that didn't make the NCAA basketball tournaments. It's a consolation prize tournament in college basketball.]

WC19 Bid: Liverpool England and Rejistania (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=372648)

Rejis, what are we voting for?

Rejis, what are we voting for?

BTW: Considering Arry's collecting WC19 votes, TEN....

BTW: Considering Arry's collecting WC19 votes, TEN....
Is he? and is he able to access the forums?

Is he? and is he able to access the forums?
Yes, he said so in the WC18 signup.

Yes, he said so in the WC18 signup.

Well, if that is the case, TG Ariddia.

Rejis, what are we voting for?
WC19-Host

I think that the way you are all treating mine and Fmjphoenix's attempt to host the competition is disgusting. Immediately discarding our bid as 'weak' in favour of those who have hosted before is the beginning of a vicious cycle. How on Earth are you supposed to become a nation who has hosted if you keep voting for a somebody who has hosted just because of that fact? If that's the case, then you must have had to have hosted before you were even existent, or have hosted a very early competition (which is impossible if you were not existent at the time) when there were no such loopholes to get caught up in. What is the point of asking people to bid if all you are going to do is immediately hand the tournament to the first experienced nation(s) that comes along?

I think that the way you are all treating mine and Fmjphoenix's attempt to host the competition is disgusting. Immediately discarding our bid as 'weak' in favour of those who have hosted before is the beginning of a vicious cycle. How on Earth are you supposed to become a nation who has hosted if you keep voting for a somebody who has hosted just because of that fact? If that's the case, then you must have had to have hosted before you were even existent, or have hosted a very early competition (which is impossible if you were not existent at the time) when there were no such loopholes to get caught up in. What is the point of asking people to bid if all you are going to do is immediately hand the tournament to the first experienced nation(s) that comes along?

I think it has something to do with the scorinator method. It's dangerously close to violating World Cup Committee Rule 13 (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=323682) which states that "Dice will not be used as score generators for any WCC World Cup or WCC sanctioned events." Now, even though your RNG may not be dice, it still gives a number from 1 to 6...which is exactly what a dice does. Besides, this time there will be someone new - either LE or TBF or Maserrat or Fmjphoenix.

Yes, but in the other two bids, there are two other nations: Turori, or Vilita if you're being pedantic, and Rejistania. In our bid we have two complete rookies at someting like this, and who's to say that we can not be something of a refreshment to the tournament, without the hand of an experienced member to grab the tiller should things go awry, which they will absolutely 100% not. Surely the level of preparation put into our bid is evidence that we are prepared for a venture such as this?

With regards to the scorinator, I have explained that the emphasis is more on the shots on goal than the actual goal-scoring concept of the game. The game does, after all, hold an element of luck. It is unlikely that the Turks and Caicos Island will ever beat Brazil, but there is no saying that it will never happen. The scorinator we use allows for this very slim chance by using the RNG coupled with the shots count, and whilst it may verge on being random, in reality and in practice it parallels a team's real chances of winning.

I think tha............es along?

Mas, the simple answer is, Host another tournament first, successfully. While Vilita & Rejis have hosted cups before, it is not like the co hosts are n00bs. In fact, The Belmore Family and Liverpool England have combined to put in more World Cup Hosting Bids than there have been World Cups. LE must be on 10 in a row right now, and TBF had a long streak where he was putting in failed bid after failed bid.

Liverpool England has also successfully hosted the Baptism of Fire Cup, the Colony Cup and other non-related cups such as FHWC, as well as being instrumental in the organization of earlier events.

The Belmore Family in the same has hosted before in events such as the Cup of Harmony, and like Liverpool England has been a steady member of the community for a long time, including being responsible for creating many of the scorinators for the excrutiatingly large olympics. And, to add further clout to support The Belmore Family, it is because of him that Vilita ever hosted a tournament, as before The Belmore Family showed Vilita how to use Excel in Cup of Harmony 14, Vilita was just an onlooker.


While you have *some* less than successful experience hosting, Fmjphoenix is rather a complete unknown, and all we have to go back on is their level of participation. While this is encouraging, I know that I was just as active, if not more active when I first participated, yet my first Kerla-Cup bid in my second cup didnt receive so much as a mention on the ballot, no less a vote. But then I hosted the Cup of Harmony, and Then the Baptism of Fire Cup, and then I hosted another Baptism of Fire Cup, and the AOCAF Cup, then Reinstated the Colony Cup, THEN finally got my chance to host the World Cup.

While I would not expect your bid to win, I think your bid IS being taken seriously, and that is recognition enough for a pairing such as yourself with so little to fall back on.

I think that the way you are all treating mine and Fmjphoenix's attempt to host the competition is disgusting. Immediately discarding our bid as 'weak' in favour of those who have hosted before is the beginning of a vicious cycle. How on Earth are you supposed to become a nation who has hosted if you keep voting for a somebody who has hosted just because of that fact?

Welcome to my world.... Well that and all my bids have been Sh**. Oh well life goes on. Good Luck and may the best man win.

May I also take this time to urge everyone in the World Cup Committee to vote. I don't carewho you vote for I just urge you to vote. Liverpool England and myself have waited a year for the right to do so (and will no doubt have to wait another) and we really hope you don't take this vote for granted. Please, all of you, go and vote, whoever you will be voting for.

Mas, the simple answer is, Host another tournament first, successfully. While Vilita & Rejis have hosted cups before, it is not like the co hosts are n00bs. In fact, The Belmore Family and Liverpool England have combined to put in more World Cup Hosting Bids than there have been World Cups. LE must be on 10 in a row right now, and TBF had a long streak where he was putting in failed bid after failed bid.

Liverpool England has also successfully hosted the Baptism of Fire Cup, the Colony Cup and other non-related cups such as FHWC, as well as being instrumental in the organization of earlier events.

The Belmore Family in the same has hosted before in events such as the Cup of Harmony, and like Liverpool England has been a steady member of the community for a long time, including being responsible for creating many of the scorinators for the excrutiatingly large olympics. And, to add further clout to support The Belmore Family, it is because of him that Vilita ever hosted a tournament, as before The Belmore Family showed Vilita how to use Excel in Cup of Harmony 14, Vilita was just an onlooker.


While you have *some* less than successful experience hosting, Fmjphoenix is rather a complete unknown, and all we have to go back on is their level of participation. While this is encouraging, I know that I was just as active, if not more active when I first participated, yet my first Kerla-Cup bid in my second cup didnt receive so much as a mention on the ballot, no less a vote. But then I hosted the Cup of Harmony, and Then the Baptism of Fire Cup, and then I hosted another Baptism of Fire Cup, and the AOCAF Cup, then Reinstated the Colony Cup, THEN finally got my chance to host the World Cup.

While I would not expect your bid to win, I think your bid IS being taken seriously, and that is recognition enough for a pairing such as yourself with so little to fall back on.Well put.

All the bids are taken seriously. I think what's happening is some of the veterans are trying to tell you (with humor) that while all bids are taken seriously, prior hosts have a better chance.

Which brings up another excellent way to get to be a co-host - put in a bid with someone who has hosted before. If you really want to host this puppy, start negotiating with successful prior hosts now for WC20 bids.

Well put.

All the bids are taken seriously. I think what's happening is some of the veterans are trying to tell you (with humor) that while all bids are taken seriously, prior hosts have a better chance.

Which brings up another excellent way to get to be a co-host - put in a bid with someone who has hosted before. If you really want to host this puppy, start negotiating with successful prior hosts now for WC20 bids.

Thanks Snub

::looks into the post with a very big microscope::

Should we be expecting a SN38-Rookie WC20 bid? :)

::thinks about it::

That could be fun :)

I have done something like this before, just not for this sport. I did one for baseball on another forum a year or so ago. I am trying to learn something new in this one and Mas is good enough to try and let me learn from him.

Its either LE, TBF, or Mas/FMJ?

So basically, you can either vote for Evil Big Guy 1, Evil Big Guy 2, or a guy that not too many people know about.

Is this giving you americans De Ja Vu?

LE, TBF, Mas/FMJ
Bush, Kerry, Nader
Bush, Gore, Nader
Dole, Clinton, That other guy
Clinton, Bush, That same other guy

its all too weird

Its either LE, TBF, or Mas/FMJ?

So basically, you can either vote for Evil Big Guy 1, Evil Big Guy 2, or a guy that not too many people know about.

Is this giving you americans De Ja Vu?

LE, TBF, Mas/FMJ
Bush, Kerry, Nader
Bush, Gore, Nader
Dole, Clinton, That other guy
Clinton, Bush, That same other guy

its all too weird


Ross Perot :)

LE, TBF, Mas/FMJ
Clinton, Bush, That same other guy

N000, Please, I'm not an evil capitalist, I'm a good nice sociallist. I'm your bunny in the pack of wolves (yes about to be eaten). Love me!

Mas:

I think what everyone has said is true. It is VERY rare that a team gets their first bid accepted much less after their very first cup. Now, I will say that my first (and only so far) bid was accepted but I did not bid until after my third cup.

I think the perception is honestly that you are too new and not been around to see all the nuances of the ins and outs of cups. Do what I did. make your own mini tournament (Eagle's Cup, 2 spots left at last check!!) and show that you can host a tournament. that helps a lot.

yeah, and the dice 1-6 modifer. and the teams geting different numbers of attacks. i have a fear that it may make the upper echelon teams unbeatable by anyone less powerful than them.

but that's just me.

TEN

Mas:

I think what everyone has said is true. It is VERY rare that a team gets their first bid accepted much less after their very first cup. Now, I will say that my first (and only so far) bid was accepted but I did not bid until after my third cup.

I think the perception is honestly that you are too new and not been around to see all the nuances of the ins and outs of cups. Do what I did. make your own mini tournament (Eagle's Cup, 2 spots left at last check!!) and show that you can host a tournament. that helps a lot.

yeah, and the dice 1-6 modifer. and the teams geting different numbers of attacks. i have a fear that it may make the upper echelon teams unbeatable by anyone less powerful than them.

but that's just me.

TEN

Create a mini-tournament, eh...? I feel a revival of the Yamsterdam Tournament coming on. :)

Very well, common response seems to suggest that there's no way we can possibly host for another 12 years or so (NST). We will keep our bid in, but we should not expect to win. Fmjphoenix, I propose a joint creation of the Yamsterdam Tournament to prove we can do it. I'm sure I left the thread lying around here somewhere. Maybe it's in the loft...(or attic, whatever you call it). Or maybe I should resurrect the NIL...on second thoughts, maybe not!

With further regards to the scorinator, I feel that due to the standardisation of the shots on goal based on the calibre of the opposition makes the results more realistic, and if this means that Rejistania thrashes Somalialand every time, then so be it, because that's how it would be in real life.

I seem to keep using Somalialand for some reason. I think that's because their's is the only ranking I know other than mine and Vilita's. :)

Thanks Snub

::looks into the post with a very big microscope::

Should we be expecting a SN38-Rookie WC20 bid? :)

::thinks about it::

That could be fun :)Nah. I almost hosted WC13 - had a bid in w/Runaway Moose (thought it was a good bid, too) - but something came up, and we withdrew. Currently too busy to host.

With further regards to the scorinator, I feel that due to the standardisation of the shots on goal based on the calibre of the opposition makes the results more realistic, and if this means that Rejistania thrashes Somalialand every time, then so be it, because that's how it would be in real life.I don't necessarily think so. The occasional upset is a part of the game (witness almost any U.S. football win from about 1990 to about 2000). By setting up things the way you're making it sound, it's going to be impossible for a team like Starblaydia (#21 heading into WC 18) to EVER beat Rejistania.

Some occasional upsets are good, though having things TOO random can be a problem.

My problems with LE hosting:
LE is somewhat.. um.. vicious to newbies and n00bs that slip up, as we all have at sometime or another.
Good Things about LE hosting:
He'll have to give up WC-bidding for at least one tournament, if not two.

My Problems with Maserrat hosting:
The Scorinator looks screwy and voodoo-dicey, and anyone who thinks the Amsterdam Tournament is a model to be copied anywhere, let alone on NS, deserves a slap :D Its confined to Holland for a reason, y'know. :p
Good Things about Maserrat hosting:
New Pillars of the Sport community, perhaps a new and refreshing take on proceedings, out and out desire to do well in their debut-host rather than being bored and routine in their Nth time.

My Problems with TBF hosting:
He's... um... Scottish :eek:
Good Things about TBF hosting:
He'll score when I'm awake, for once.


But then again I'm a disenfranchised #sport-er, don't listen to me.

Maserrat, your bid is horribly complicated, I feel that you cannot scorinate 100 teams with your method in a reasonable time. However, your attempt is innovative and well-thought. I would recommend you to host an official WC-related tournament first (how about BoF?). There are other problems I have with your bid, but well, I don't want to critisise you into not hosting. I want to see new faces in the WCC, but your bid is too complicated and I do not know whether you are reliable.

AS: Make a bid yourself if you don't like the existing ones! ;)

I would recommend you to host an official WC-related tournament first (how about BoF?).

As Always, I intend a bid to host BoF and Starblaydia has first option as my co-host :P

BoF is my Blood and Guts and I won't give it up quietly, it stands for everything I believe in!

As Always, I intend a bid to host BoF and Starblaydia has first option as my co-host :P

I'm perfectly happy to lgive up my BoF co-host option to Mas or FMJ, I'm playing too much Dawn of War anyway.

I'm perfectly happy to lgive up my BoF co-host option to Mas or FMJ, I'm playing too much Dawn of War anyway.

You heard it here first folks, The Baptism of Fire bid is here, whoever wants it just confirm in the signup thread.

Ooh, an opening! The prospect of hosting with Vilita is almost too tantalising to resist (not being sarcastic in any way, honestly).

Fmj has agreed to the resurrection of the Yamsterdam Tournament, although we're thinking of changing the name...and the format. You know what, let's just start from scratch!

Perhaps I have been a little outspoken here, and for this I apologise. Being German, I am rigged to go on the defensive as soon as the slightest hint of unacceptance is on the horizon - and believe me, there's been a lot of it in my life. Maybe I've been mentally scarred for the rest of my life...or maybe I'm just hungry, one or the other!

Ooh, an opening! The prospect of hosting with Vilita is almost too tantalising to resist (not being sarcastic in any way, honestly).

Fmj has agreed to the resurrection of the Yamsterdam Tournament, although we're thinking of changing the name...and the format. You know what, let's just start from scratch!

Perhaps I have been a little outspoken here, and for this I apologise. Being German, I am rigged to go on the defensive as soon as the slightest hint of unacceptance is on the horizon - and believe me, there's been a lot of it in my life. Maybe I've been mentally scarred for the rest of my life...or maybe I'm just hungry, one or the other!We shall all go along on the assumption that you were VERY hungry, stepped into the kitchen, had a little snack, and feel much better now. ;)

I've decided to throw my hat into the ring for hosting WC19.

At the moment, I have had discussions with TEN on this front - so he'll have first option - but if there are any other volunteers (AS would be cool) then please post here or TG me.

Note: I have nothing against the other bids (they all have their good and bad points), I've just got "the itch". So it's either this or Jolted Lanacaine.

Will all this dispute going on about the host, which i find amusing to read, anyways, WHEN ARE WE GOING TO START THE CUP AND DOES THE WCC HAVE A MIRC CHANNEL

Will all this dispute going on about the host, which i find amusing to read, anyways, WHEN ARE WE GOING TO START THE CUP AND DOES THE WCC HAVE A MIRC CHANNEL

The Cup starts sometime after

1) The Host is Selected
2) The current cup is over

Yes I'm sure any debate not involving you is prime-time viewing isn't it? Anyway, on my part it is done, and it is no longer existent. I've moved on to smaller things. An analogy perhaps...the WC hosting is a house. You need bricks to build a house. Other competitions are the bricks. We must pile the bricks first before considering living in the house. There, that was just off the top of my head. Does anyone have any more?

Will all this dispute going on about the host, which i find amusing to read, anyways, WHEN ARE WE GOING TO START THE CUP AND DOES THE WCC HAVE A MIRC CHANNEL

mIRC-channel? WTSH? Call it IRC-channel since mIRC is just a (crappy) IRC-client. And yes: #sport on irc.esper.net (europeans should use irc.eu.esper.net) port: 6667

There, that was just off the top of my head. Does anyone have any more?

Let us hope not.

Yes I'm sure any debate not involving you is prime-time viewing isn't it? Anyway, on my part it is done, and it is no longer existent. I've moved on to smaller things. An analogy perhaps...the WC hosting is a house. You need bricks to build a house. Other competitions are the bricks. We must pile the bricks first before considering living in the house. There, that was just off the top of my head. Does anyone have any more?

Are you hosting BoF with me?

What's wrong with analogies? It wasn't that bad, was it? :)

Vilita: if you want to, I'm willing.

Fmjphoenix and I are just deliberating on a name for our cup competition. If anybody has any suggestions...

What's wrong with analogies? It wasn't that bad, was it? :)

I couldn't pass up the chance to make a tongue-in-cheek comment. :)

But yeah. It was still pretty bad. :-P

Oh well, can't be good at everything ;)

Vilita: if you want to, I'm willing.



I wouldn't have asked if I wasn't willing, just confirm in the signup thread.

Will do, when it arrives (unless it's already here and I've gone blind).

Will do, when it arrives (unless it's already here and I've gone blind).
Go here.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=7452026#post7452026

Then, see an optometrist ;)

Appointment on Monday ;)

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Ladies and gentlemen, the "I" Chart.

Hmmm, is the top letter O?

Hmmm, is the top letter O?

I would have said H :)

At the moment, I have had discussions with TEN on this front - so he'll have first option - but if there are any other volunteers (AS would be cool) then please post here or TG me.

Cheers fella, but the only time i've hosted anything i've been the 'second in command' as it were. Lemmitania wrote the spreadsheet for our WC7 hosting, i just pasted the scores and did the IC stuff. I think a Someone/Audioslavia tournament could only be pulled off if the someone did about 80% of the work, im unavailable for four days of the week thanks to working in an under-staffed bar.

That said, i'd still be interested in hosting a tournament in the (not too near, not too distant) future, and it'd be cool to work with you Kry :)

Kry and I are going to bid to host WCXX. We aren't going after 19 cause we don't have our stuff together, and voting already started on WC19.

Well, Fmj and I have thought of a name for our new cup competition. How does The Dinamo-Viking Cup sound? We're just working on format now. I think we'll end up having a two-legged knockout tournament (I don't think there's one of those already in existence, but I could be wrong), kind of like the UEFA Cup was before they changed/ruined it.

How does The Dinamo-Viking Cup sound?

Dumb

As dumb as Yamsterdam?

As dumb as Yamsterdam?

No, not quite.

Excellent. Do you have any suggestions?

Excellent. Do you have any suggestions?

Well, I'd either name it after a famous city, person or event in Maserratian or Fmjphoenician (is that right?) history. Think America's Cup, Davis Cup, Rider Cup etc etc. Simply naming it after the nicknames of your two respective teams seems a bit of a creative cop-out.

Oh and please don't tell me Yamsterdam is a place in Maserrat, I don't think my eyes could take that much rolling.

Don't worry, it's not.

Good tips, we'll think about it over toast and marmalade...okay, not really.

Well my first one after thinking about hearing Dinamo-Viking CUp as dumb,I though od the Rider Cup.

Mightn't it be mistaken for a golf tournament? Mind you, how about the Gresko-Rider Testimonial Cup, in honour of our nations' famous celebrities?

Mightn't it be mistaken for a golf tournament? Mind you, how about the Gresko-Rider Testimonial Cup, in honour of our nations' famous celebrities?

But we only have 1..... and he was berated. But I must say, I like the idea, but perhaps the name needs tweaking.

Only one what?

What tweaks do you suggest?

Only one what?

What tweaks do you suggest?

1 famous celebrity...

Tweaks I suggest.... ummm, not to be harsh but perhaps the Rider thing shouldn't be in there, but hey, it's your call.

Does Fmjphoenix have any other celebrities, preferably with an interesting surname that doesn't sound like a current sports tournament? ;)

Some of the high celeberties in Fmjphoenix include Chad DeBolt, who is our best forward in lacrosse: Jason Lowell, reigning baseball mvp and all-star 1st baseman.

Just a reminder that you can send me your votes for World Cup hosts whenever you like. :)

Mightn't it be mistaken for a golf tournament? Mind you, how about the Gresko-Rider Testimonial Cup, in honour of our nations' famous celebrities?

Don't know why, but the name "Unity Trophy" is rolling around in my head.

Other than that, perhaps a "corporate sponsor"? (cf the RL Toyota Cup)

Kry and I are going to bid to host WCXX. We aren't going after 19 cause we don't have our stuff together, and voting already started on WC19.

And in the process, I do believe we've set a record for "First World Cup Bid Announced BEFORE Sign-Ups".

Cool.

I believe I said I was running for WC11 during WC9, had to have enough time to get a partner.

And in the process, I do believe we've set a record for "First World Cup Bid Announced BEFORE Sign-Ups".

Cool.

I agreed to host with Eauz WC19 during WC16... then he up and hosteed 18 instead

all I have to say to you all.

:PPPPPPPPPP

Right. I'm going to sulk now. :P

Quarterfinals will be telegrammed tomorrow. They would've been today, but I got home very late tonight. We're running well ahead of schedule anyway, so one more day won't hurt anything. Semifinals are Friday. The final will be Sunday, but note: I am leaving town to visit family on (I think) Saturday. While I am away, I have no idea how frequently I will have Internet access (if at all). So there is a chance I won't be available to do the final, though I'm sure Eauz will be able to. Also, if I don't do much RPing next week, that's why.

This has been a public service announcement from the Bedistan Department of Corrections, Urgent Notices, and Real Life.

Thank you to all those of you who have voted, but I'm still missing a number of votes (not counting those of people who are inactive or unavailable). It would be good to get the results established as quickly as possible (especially in the unlikely but conceivable event of a tie). I'd like to announce the result by Friday evening or Saturday morning (European time), so please try to have your votes in by then.

Put a time limit on TGs to the people who haven't voted. BTW I'm abstaining.

"Vote" noted, TnUI. I'll announce the result tomorrow evening or Saturday morning. Or as soon as all the votes are in, if they are before that.

My vote is in. Until yesterday, I was undecided, but now I know who I want to be in charge and who I don't. May the best bid win.

Official Announcement

And the voting is now concluded! The World Cup will be hosted this time round by...

THE BELMORE FAMILY & TURORI!

Congratulations! Should you be unable or unwilling to host, hosting duties will fall to Rejistania and Liverpool England.

Official Announcement

Official Complaint

Puppets should not host cups.

End Official Complaint

Snub Nose 38, please clarify rules on puppets hosting cups. Thank you.Nothing in the current World Cup rules prohibits a puppet from being a co-host. The only mention of puppets in the rules is in rule 32:

RULE 32: One puppet per "main" nation is allowed - no more. When signing up a puppet, the "main" nation must sign up AS the puppet, and identify who they are a puppet of - this is on the honor system. If there are more nations signed up than there are available spaces for participants, the last puppet to sign up will be replaced by the first nation on the "waiting list", then the next to last puppet to sign up will be replaced by the next nation on "waiting list". This process continues until either all the nations on the "waiting list" are moved to the participants list, or all the puppets who signed up are gone.

Since it isn't prohibited, a puppet nation can bid and, if voted in by the WCC in accordance with our rules, is a valid co-host.

If you want to have discussion, and/or propose a rule against it, that would be fine.

Personnaly, it doesn't bother me as long as the puppet is a regular WC participant - same as any other potential co-host. I do see the possibility of scorinating for "yourself" - for instance if I still had a puppet, and it co-hosted, it should not scorinate for Snub Nose 38. The rules state that a co-host cannot generate it's own results, perhaps that should be expanded to include not generating results for it's own puppet(s), or as in this case, it's own "main" nation.

I can see how it could upset you, LE, as it comes at a time that prevents you from hosting. Try (I know it's hard sometimes) to see the cup as half full - TBF has been trying to host for ages, too.

Question: I should probably know this, but what is the FHWC?

Field Hockey World Cup. Anyhow, as stated in signup thread, I'm resigning from the Committees and quitting the cup. I can't stand you letting Vil through using a puppet. :(

The following telegram has gone out to a few nations within the WC I regard as good friends:

<nation>:

I am very upset about the results of the voting, and you can see my arguments in all the threads. I'm just TGing you to say I've withdrawn from all WC-related tournaments and the big one itself, pending results from [or even, whether the WCC will even ATTEMPT or BOTHER to hear] my appeal. Thanks for being a great friend in the WC.

LE

Yes you heard me right. After 12 cups, I'm resigning from the Cup. Like I told someone, ALL BECAUSE THE WCC IS LETTING SOMEONE WHO HOSTED THE CUP JUST THE PREVIOUS CUP HOST AGAIN WITH A PUPPET. It's taken all te hope and fun of ever hosting a cup, or participating, out of me.

And for the last time, Wiki updated :(

Ariddia, what is the vote count on this ? How many votes did each bid get ?

Side Question for Snub:

Speaking to LE on IRC, he said something about a rule in the past which said you could only host a cup every 4 times. Is there anything in the rules? I'm not trying to back one side or the other, but I was wondering about this. I know it has been broken if it exists with my bids and Rejis's bids, so I would assume it wasn't an enforced rule if it existed.

Hey Eauz I said it was an unwritten rule.

I would say it's not really a rule, written or unwritten, but if we look back I think we do see that a precedent seems to exist that at least two cups go by before someone hosts again. This is without looking - which anyone can do if they want because all the hosts are listed on the "wiki" site for WCC. Although I think (again without looking) that when Lemmy hosted for the second time, it was only 2 cups later. Of course, the 1st time Lemmy hosted he was filling in for the "official, but missing" host(s).

Although I think (again without looking) that when Lemmy hosted for the second time, it was only 2 cups later. Of course, the 1st time Lemmy hosted he was filling in for the "official, but missing" host(s).

In fact it was the very next cup. Lemmy filled in for the absent Kingsford and Spaam in WC6, then proceeded to co-host WC7 with Audioslavia.

Okay, look. I know I'm not in the WCC but as an active player in the football world cup and a would-be active player in the Field Hockey World Cup, I feel the need to say something.

I can definitely understand why Liverpool England would be upset that Vilita/Turori is hosting two straight World Cups. I would likely feel the same way myself if I were in that position. However, stopping the Field Hockey World Cup and threatening to cancel the thing because he's upset about the way the hosting vote went sounds a lot like the child who grabs his ball and goes home because he didn't get a rule called the way he wanted.

If you cancel the FHWC because of the WC vote, you're going to penalize 20 or so players who wanted to take part through no fault of our own. You may think it's unfair that Vilita/Turori is hosting two straight cups, but it's unfair to the players in the FHWC to have the tournament rug pulled out from under us for this.

Perhaps there needs to be a change in the setup to prevent us peons from being unrepresented when decisions that adversely affect us get made by an "Old Boys Club" at the top of the World Cup.

As VP of the Old Boys Club I say get me a drink peon.

As VP of the Old Boys Club I say get me a drink peon.Cut the flame bait.

TnUI: Please cut out the bait.
Sarzonia: Yes, I know. If my appeal fails, if it is even considered, I'll still go on with the FHWC
This is not a threat: If the appeal is not discussed, I'm really gonna resign. It's no fun when the same guy hosts so many times in such a short period of time, even using puppets to get around rules. :(

I know this is a moot point for this situation, but to possibly prevent future situations like such, how would the WCC feel about:

-Making the "1 in 4" precedent a rule (that is, no more than one time as host in four cups)

-Applying the rule to count towards puppets, so that a colony (i.e. puppet of a main nation) hosting would count towards their main nation. Alternately, you could allow the puppet to count seperately, but force them to put two cups between their time, and the time their main nation hosted, and vice versa.

-Allow hosting puppets to join the WCC, but only as a non-voting member, if their main nation is already on the committee.

Just some thoughts.

I'll make a compromise I thought up.

[20/11/04 - 13:27:59] <@LE> there is one other way I'll stay
[20/11/04 - 13:28:28] <@LE> the WCC recognise that no puppet should host a cup. and thus give me and Rejis 'hosting rights' while lettingTBF and Turori host the cup.
[20/11/04 - 13:28:43] <@LE> which might be my best option to put forth
[20/11/04 - 13:28:59] <@LE> and as such both me and TBF get onto the WCC
[20/11/04 - 13:29:04] <@LE> him by virtue of hosting it
[20/11/04 - 13:29:13] <@LE> and me by virtue of having rights to host it


I personally feel this is fair.
If this doesnt work, we go back to the appeal.

Ladies and Gentlemen:

although i am not a member of the WCC i truly feel very, very disappointed by the this decision that was made, i see no benifit for this organization to be like this, in doing so, the organization has made not anly the community break apart by they also made me and all the low level or the support of this group very, very sad, i not only beg but i wish you guys could evn consider LE's appeal, do you know he has been here for 12 yeahs, and every year he has failed in being choosen, this is fine if it was a good decision but some nations who are not only part of the WCC but part of this Football community have hosted not once, not twice, but three times in a row, that is very sad in considering we have a memebr like liverpool england not a host a WC yet,


This is a very emtional thing, i beleve LE has the right to reject this offer in considering he thought he was the winner and he had a blow like this, its very, very, very sad, as the HFF we are very sad this decision and or course has been taken, but for the sake of the community please do something and make something happen now, iam in favor of LE and i hope he has something from this, because i see a little injustice here, ok, i see alot of injustice here, and to make the WC survive through this storm, please do something and make this nation who has been not only of the dedicated nations but the best

thank you'

Sorry I didn't realise you had no sense of humour. :rolleyes:

In my personnal opinion, puppets should not be allowed to host the WC, ever. I'd probably have to say that LE's motion is good in this case.

Sorry I didn't realise you had no sense of humour. :rolleyes:

Please, TnUI, do NOT bait.

How about we both be quiet?

That wasn't baiting, it was a suggestion that you stop all the moaning, which is the reason you haven't hosted the world cup yet. The first thing I said wasn't a bait, but seeing I was told to stop I had to bait to stop.

honestly, it appears like both of you need to step back and relax for a sec.

That said, I'm not really comfortable with the idea that the same person (through the use of a puppet) can attempt to continually try to host the World Cup. As long as there are reasonably capable nations out there to host a cup, there's less of a need for a repeat. Hence, I hope the WCC will consider the proposals I have made above, as well as LE's appeal.

Also, I hope that, regardless of what happens, that everyone can come to peace with the final decision, and continue to operate in the International Soccer realm with civility.

I didn't like it when Rejis broke the unwritten rule for hosting cups when he did WC13 and WC16. It was at 4 cups in between hosting until then. I think we do need to clarify it with a rule or two.

I didn't like it when Rejis broke the unwritten rule for hosting cups when he did WC13 and WC16. It was at 4 cups in between hosting until then. I think we do need to clarify it with a rule or two.

Yes, I was just as unhappy. But then Eauz did 15/18 so that's the norm now. But 2 cups.... with a puppet....

PEOPLE, please bear in mind that the compromise should be used as a last resort after the appeal fails.

I have to agree with Liverpool England. I do not feel it is fair to have puppets hosting.

All right, let's see...

Eauz, I never disclose the number of votes each bid has received.

Now, I can understand LE feeling there's somerhing unfair going on here. That having been said, the argument that you should host because you haven't yet doesn't really hold, because it applies to TBF too; he's put in bid after bid, and this is the first time he gets through.

I feel:

1) The rules should be adapted to prevent this situation happening again. I agree with Legalese's proposal:


-Making the "1 in 4" precedent a rule (that is, no more than one time as host in four cups)

Agreed. No more using puppets to host twice in three Cups. As Legalese suggested, hosting with your puppet would count as though you'd hosted with your main nation.


-Allow hosting puppets to join the WCC, but only as a non-voting member, if their main nation is already on the committee.

Agreed, of course. No one should get two votes.

2) It would not be fair to reverse the decision that has been made for this Cup, if only because it would penalise TBF unjustly. I suggest the amended rules come into force as from now, but cannot be retroactively applied.

3) I have no objection to letting LE into the WCC as a compromise, on the basis that he would have had a fair chance of winning had there not been this situation.

Members of the WCC and Liverpoool England,

The Belmore Family must first of all thank you for giving us the right to host this World Cup. Infact, I am so happy I am finding this difficult to type, so bear with the typos. But I must say, I am dismayed at LE fighting the result, and see how annoying I was when I argued the results in this way. LE I ask you, as a friend, as a colleague please, desist your arguements. You will get your time to host. In WC15 I thought i'd never host, 4 cups on I have. I request you, from the bottom of my heart to stay, please don't ruin this, my happiest time in NS, please, as a friend, do it for me.

That is all we have to say at this tame apart froom YAH0000000000000000!!!!! Finally.

Thank You
The Belmore Family

I've considered everything, and will go on with my appeal. If Rejistania feels this appeal is not warranted, I will go back to my compromise.

LE, had you bid with Oddslavo and won, no one would have complained, had you hosted the cup after the third time no one would have complained. It is always you who point out these unwritten rules - nobody else, in fact, care about them, as the WCC vote has clearly shown!

For the record, I voted Rejis/LE because I found the TBF/Turori bid to be bland, boring and uninteresting, and because I found the Maserrat/Fmjphoenix scorinator to be as random as throwing dice.

I thank you for your vote. Yes, I put in an Oddslavo bid for the CoH - but because LE is not in the CoH, Oddslavo would, and should, be considered the master nation (similarly, New Manhattan [CH] in the FHWC). Vil trying to host again so soon through a puppet is disgusting.

Members of the WCC and Liverpoool England,

The Belmore Family must first of all thank you for giving us the right to host this World Cup. Infact, I am so happy I am finding this difficult to type

Then I hope you know how disappointed I was to find out the result. :mad:

One more way this might work: Me and TBF cohost, with Turori backing off. So three options.
1- Hear the appeal (Turori should not host)
2- Compromise (TBF/Turori host, with myself being let into the WCC as Arry said, on the basis that 'that he would have had a fair chance of winning had there not been this situation.'
3- Turori withdraws from the bid, and I and TBF cohost the cup. As such, he will not be penalised and he still gets to host a cup.

Let me know how you feel about Option 3, guys.

There is no official rule that puppets can not host the World Cup. There is no official rule on hosting one cup after another (by the looks of things, there aren't many who have so much time to devote to the WC - I know I haven't - so we might have to accept this by necessity). A majority of the WCC has agreed that puppets can host the World Cup (by voting for a puppet). Everyone knew the score before we voted.

I know defeat can be tough (heck, I've lost too many WC matches to know that) but being glorious in defeat may actually help a future bid (although I realise that there won't be such a thing now that you have unfortunately withdrawn)

Just a side-question. Did Fmj and I get any votes? :)

I don't really think it matters who it is that's hosting it, it's about the competition itself. The hosting bid should just be a side issue to be resolved quickly, to allow the real fun of this tradition to begin. Dragging this debate out is just bringing down the competiton, and the pulling out of one of the best teams in the competiton just adds to the disappointment. We should just accept the result and get back to what's really important - working out who's best.

The World Cup will be hosted this time round by...

THE BELMORE FAMILY & TURORI!
w00t!

Puppets should not host cups.
They shouldn't get on the WCC, but they should be able to ICly host the Cup.

Ariddia, what is the vote count on this ? How many votes did each bid get ?
I thought I was the only one that asked that... http://terranordalis.thirdgeek.com/images/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Eauz, I never disclose the number of votes each bid has received.
Why? If it was announced that George W. Bush had been re-elected as President of the United States (or USAnian Information Minister), but no one would say how many people voted for him, don't you think the Democrats would be a bit annoyed?

[20/11/04 - 13:27:59] <@LE> there is one other way I'll stay
[20/11/04 - 13:28:28] <@LE> the WCC recognise that no puppet should host a cup. and thus give me and Rejis 'hosting rights' while lettingTBF and Turori host the cup.
[20/11/04 - 13:28:43] <@LE> which might be my best option to put forth
[20/11/04 - 13:28:59] <@LE> and as such both me and TBF get onto the WCC
[20/11/04 - 13:29:04] <@LE> him by virtue of hosting it
[20/11/04 - 13:29:13] <@LE> and me by virtue of having rights to host it
3- Turori withdraws from the bid, and I and TBF cohost the cup. As such, he will not be penalised and he still gets to host a cup.
You really want to get on the WCC, don't you? http://terranordalis.thirdgeek.com/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif

3) I have no objection to letting LE into the WCC as a compromise, on the basis that he would have had a fair chance of winning had there not been this situation.
Putting someone on the WCC because we think they might have won if things had gone differently is a dangerous precedent to set.

Putting someone on the WCC because we think they might have won if things had gone differently is a dangerous precedent to set.

I hearby accept my position on the WCC. Thankyou to all who asked me to co-host, though I didn't actually run, I know I would have co-won. Life is good.

hmmm, I wanted to bid with Star... he disagreed, if he didn't, everyone in the WCC agreed that we would have won... Star, you are in![/sarcasm]

I know this is a moot point for this situation, but to possibly prevent future situations like such, how would the WCC feel about:

-Making the "1 in 4" precedent a rule (that is, no more than one time as host in four cups)

-Applying the rule to count towards puppets, so that a colony (i.e. puppet of a main nation) hosting would count towards their main nation. Alternately, you could allow the puppet to count seperately, but force them to put two cups between their time, and the time their main nation hosted, and vice versa.

-Allow hosting puppets to join the WCC, but only as a non-voting member, if their main nation is already on the committee.

Just some thoughts.Gad.

We used to have trouble getting enough people to play this thing, and finding anyone to host sometimes...

That third point - I completely agree. Puppets, if they manage to get on the WCC, should not have a vote.

AT THE RISK OF OFFENDING VILITA, USING BOLD CAPS TO GET EVERYONE'S ATTENTION (joke, vil)

Proposed solution:
1. TBF & Turori host WC19
2. LE & Rejis host WC20 - If and only if their bid received the 2nd highest vote total. If their bid did not, then WC20 host/co-host will be selected in the usual manner.
3. The following new rules be adopted.

RULE: No puppet may host or co-host the World Cup. Puppets may, however, host or co-host Cup of Harmony or Baptism of Fire tournaments. No puppet, including Turori, may hold a seat or have a vote on the World Cup Committee

RULE: Once someone has hosted/co-hosted a World Cup, they may not bid to host/co-host again until two cups have passed. They may bid to host the third cup. This does not apply to Cup of Harmony or Baptism of Fire tournaments.

x-Post from signups:
okay, lemme clarify things:

There is no rule against puppets hosting, however, I do not want them in the WCC. I think a rule should be passed that if a puppet hosts, it should not get a place in the WCC:


If a puppet becomes elected co-host of a tournament, it will not gain a place in the WCC unless its master nation has no place there.



The other thing is the unofficial three cup rule. It is unofficial, and cannot be enforced. TBH: I do not *want* it to be enforced at all. To use an RL example: Let's say Germany falls into Civil war and cannot host WC2006, let's further say the only nations willing to host are Zimbabwe and Japan/South Korea (same bid as WC2002). I would prefer the experienced hosts over the LDC, which has no decent fascilities and it ruled by the army (sorry, Zimbabwe if I got things wrong here). The facilities in NS are the amount of time and the scorinators.

However, I see that there is a substantial number of nation favoring a time limit before hosting again. Instead of going with the easiest solution and proposing the 3 cup rule into WCC legislation, I want to propose something we all can agree on:


No nation can bid for a world cup when it is currently hosting a World Cup. This rule must not be trespassed by using a puppet.


~Rejis, WCC president

One final point for all to consider. Abe Lincoln said, "You can please all of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time."

When decisions have to be made, and we really can't do anything without making decisions, some people are not going to like the decision. What we have to think about is, on balance, have the total body of decisions that have been made been as fair as possible? If the answer is yes, or at least almost always, that has to be good enough and we soldier on.

We have a method of selecting hosts and making other decisions. Neither method is perfect, but on the whole, they work and the results are, for the most part, fair and equitable.

So, let's find a workable solution, and go on with the GAME!

AT THE RISK OF OFFENDING VILITA, USING BOLD CAPS TO GET EVERYONE'S ATTENTION (joke, vil)

Proposed solution:
1. TBF & Turori host WC19
2. LE & Rejis host WC20 - If and only if their bid received the 2nd highest vote total. If their bid did not, then WC20 host/co-host will be selected in the usual manner.
3. The following new rules be adopted.

RULE: No puppet may host or co-host the World Cup. Puppets may, however, host or co-host Cup of Harmony or Baptism of Fire tournaments. No puppet, including Turori, may hold a seat or have a vote on the World Cup Committee

RULE: Once someone has hosted/co-hosted a World Cup, they may not bid to host/co-host again until two cups have passed. They may bid to host the third cup. This does not apply to Cup of Harmony or Baptism of Fire tournaments.In the interest of reaching a compromise position that all can agree on, the 2nd proposed rule above is modified to be similar to the one proposed by Rejis:

RULE: Once someone has been selected to host/co-host a World Cup, they may not bid to host/co-host again while they cup they are hosting is underway. They may bid to host/co-host again during the next "round of bidding" for hosts/co-hosts that takes place after the Cup they are hosting is completed. This rule does NOT apply to hosting/co-hosting Cup of Harmony or Baptism of Fire tournaments.

to clarify - these are PROPOSED rules...according to the precedent we have set, rules are first proposed, then discussed, and finally adopted (or not) by the President.

who is president? did we resolve that? is it KP, or Rejis, or TnUI?

2. LE & Rejis host WC20 - If and only if their bid received the 2nd highest vote total. If their bid did not, then WC20 host/co-host will be selected in the usual manner.
If the WCC really wants LE/Rejis to host, can't they just go through the normal bid process for WC20 like everyone else?

(/me will probably be able to bid for WC20, but not until ~WC23 after that. http://terranordalis.thirdgeek.com/images/smiles/icon_confused.gif)

If LeRejistance is guaranteed the WC20 hosting, I'll back down, and rejoin the cup.

EDIT: Upon seeing CH's post, if any other bids come in, what happens?
2EDIT: upon seeing TBF's post, I'll go on with the appeal and retract my rejoining.

If the WCC really wants LE/Rejis to host, can't they just go through the normal bid process for WC20 like everyone else?

I completely agree. I don't think LE should get rewarded for this behaviour

I like the Snub Nosian proposal, although I'm not certain about the LE/Rejis auto-host element. Certainly we should let them bid for WC20, and they'd stand a good chance of winning especially as the support of any WCCers opposing the Belmorians would be guaranteed.

Having said that, I must point out that the most sensible thing we've heard so far is from Masserat:

'The hosting bid should just be a side issue to be resolved quickly, to allow the real fun of this tradition to begin. Dragging this debate out is just bringing down the competiton, and the pulling out of one of the best teams in the competiton just adds to the disappointment. We should just accept the result and get back to what's really important - working out who's best.

Absolutely right. The hosts are merely facilitators of the real business of scorination.

I'd love Beddy to host again so he can get me to another final! (OOC: this is a joke.) Seriously, if the issue of hosting is this ridiculous, something has to be done. I just wish I knew what. One possibility is that perhaps TBF hosts with TEN or Krytenia, the two nations who have planned a bid for WC20 (and would be seen as the favourites to win that race). If this is the way to kill the debate, and I think it might be, this might be the way.

Edit: as an amendment to the puppet ruling...

* Puppet nations cannot host the WC or join the WCC. If a host nation runs puppets, stadia in these puppet nations can host matches if so desired - puppets are hence considered, for these purposes, part of the nation that runs them (e.g. Turori as part of Vilita).

Please note - the part of "the Snubnosian Proposal" about letting LE-Rejis host WC20 says If they had the 2nd highest vote total. If they didn't have the 2nd highest vote total for WC19, they don't get WC20 under this proposal. They would have to submit a normal bid for WC20 like everyone else.

They only get WC20 automatically if they came in 2nd for WC19.

Thank you for "listening" to that clarification

Well they did finish second, no-one else was bidding...

Well they did finish second, no-one else was bidding...oops...oh dear...now i've gone and embarrassed m'self...

;)

...well you could say fmj/rat bid...if you wanted to...

2. LE & Rejis host WC20 - If and only if their bid received the 2nd highest vote total. If their bid did not, then WC20 host/co-host will be selected in the usual manner.

Simply to answer your question, yes, they did come second.

(As a sidenote, the main reason why I never disclose the number of votes anyone has received is so as not to discourage some nations from putting in a bid again just because they fared poorly with one bid.)

I'm not going to comment on everything right now, but will in time. Obviously, the WCC has supported our Bid, and that includes Turori. If the WCC didnt want a puppet hosting, they wouldn't have voted for it. I also request, as per the rules at the time we won, Turori retain it's seat on the WCC. However, It is only logical to admit that Turori should NOT have a vote, just a seat. IE: Vilita & Turori = One WCC Vote, even though both are recognized WCC Members.

Again, I am not Requesting a seperate vote for Turori as a WCC member, simply asking for recognition as Vilita & Turori as WCC Member!

Thanks, and Thank You for your votes.

I'm not going to comment on legality/illegality of having a puppet of a host nation hosting another cup since that one seems to be an issue that not many people will agree upon. However, I need to make some issues abundantly clear:

1) Antaeus Rising: Your "joke" was insulting. I was making the point that players who aren't in the elite WCC have no friggin' voice in the workings of the World Cup. Your reaction to my calling it flame bait was even more insulting. I was expressing an opinion from the perspective of someone who plays this game within a game and finds the RP aspect of it fun. However, you are about a paper's width away from alienating me because of your attempt at humor. You don't know me, so don't try to kid around with me.

2) Liverpool England: I can understand your being pissed off about the vote. I'd be too. But there are times when you should just graciously accept defeat and move on and try to put in another bid until your bid becomes the winning bid. I can think of times in which I could have challenged a loss and I just accepted matters and I ended up winning more than I would have otherwise. There's a reason the saying "good things come to those who wait" exists. And on a final point, I'm not going to "drop it" when it comes to making a post in Moderation I considered flame bait so you can just "drop" that idea.

I think instead of one COUNTRY one bid it should be one PLAYER one bid. By sticking with just the few people who have "experience" you shut out other potentially interesting bidders and you narrow the nominating pool. You're also making another potential future bidder strongly reconsider whether or not he wants to put in a bid for the World Cup AT ALL.

I think it's a crying shame that people who haven't hosted a cup have no friggin' voice in how the cup is run. Your decisions affect far more than just your little group of people, but yet we all have to live with them. It smacks of the principle of "no taxation without representation."

I think it's a crying shame that people who haven't hosted a cup have no friggin' voice in how the cup is run. Your decisions affect far more than just your little group of people, but yet we all have to live with them. It smacks of the principle of "no taxation without representation."

May I note the influential Snub Nose 38 became President of the WCC without ever hosting.

...well you could say fmj/rat bid...if you wanted to...

Completely uncalled for.

Yeah, okay. I mean you had at least as much chance as the TBF/LE/KP bid during WC8/9?

The Pre WC19 thread:
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=7518284#post7518284

Lets face it, the bid that won is Vilita/TBF and not Turori/TBF. No one voted for this bid without knowing that Turori and Vilita were one and the same. I've no quarells with a country hosting twice in three WCs, especially as Vilita's WC17 tournament went so well.

I don't think Vilita bidded under his Turori guise to con anyone, i believe he did it purely for IC purposes, like having Turori stadiums and lifestyles incorporated into the cup. Its not even uncommon for a nation to hold some of its WCfinals games in a puppet nation, many WC7 games were played in my ex-puppet Tha Machine.

Having voted for Le Rejistance im obviously dissappointed, but i accept the result and would vote for, and encourage others to vote for, Le Rejistance should they bid for WC20 because i liked the bid so much. I don't think LE/Rejis should automatically get hosting for WC20 as it would be unfair on any other nations bidding for the event, i dont think LE should step in as TBF's partner for WC19 as this isn't fair on Rejis or the voters, and i don't think LE should get hosting 'rights' for WC19 because it is, in my opinion,a hollow compromise based on LE wanting at least some credit for what i feel, and what i think he feels, is his most successful and impressive bid yet.

I empathise with you LE, but i think you might just have to admit defeat even though it may go against your beliefs. You can see that you aren't alone in your displeasure from other posts in this thread and no-one, if they appreciate the troubles you've had in establishing yourself as a respected member of the NSWC, is going to be angry at you for acting in the way you did, even if your actions pretty much encapsulate the meaning of the phrase 'knee-jerk'. I also believe that no-one wants you to pull out of all or any competitions on the back of this voting result and i'm looking forward to seeing you in WC19 dude.

Hell, if you do change your mind, i'll even bring back Jeremy Jaffacake.

Peace out dude

Yeah, I pretty much agree with that... apart from the bit about LE's bid being better than ours, I wouldn't have bidded if I believed that would I?

Oh and AS, no need to block me, I nay gunna have a go at ya.

Thanks,
The Belmore Family,
Co-Host of World Cup 19

i've nay blocked you :p

Rejishas told me she has exams when WC20 rolls around, so LeRejistance hosting 20 is not an option. IF Audioslavia is willing to bid to cohost WC20 with me, I will change my mind. AND TBF, STOP FRIGGIN' SAYING YOU'RE WC19 COHOST IN EVERY OF YOUR POSTS - WE FRIGGIN KNOW THAT ALREADY.

AND TBF, STOP FRIGGIN' SAYING YOU'RE WC19 COHOST IN EVERY OF YOUR POSTS - WE FRIGGIN KNOW THAT ALREADY.

Completely uncalled for. TBF is the innocent party here. I can see how much hosting means to you, and I think it's the same for TBF. Heck, if you'd won I'm sure you'd be shouting it from the rooftops too.

Your time will come LE. Though for obvious reasons, I'm hoping that that time is not until WCXXI. Of course, if you do get XX, I'll be happy for you. I've seen you host. You hosted the first tournament I took part in(BoF WC15, with Vilita), and though I lost out (ironically, to Turori in the quarter-finals), the tournament was run without a hitch. You are a top host, and it's great that you speak your mind, however sometimes you do go over the top and it gets you in bother, like this.

I'm not dumb enough to announce I'm the host in every post I make. Anyhows, Rejistania is president, Snubby, and TBF, I'm in the cup, with reference to your IRC memo.

I'm not dumb enough to announce I'm the host in every post I make.

That's because you're not the host, which would make it even dumber if you did.

and TBF, I'm in the cup, with reference to your IRC memo.

Thank you for the confirmation.

*makes notes to himself....never ever EVER leave for the weekend again. Ever*

I think this is the third firestorm I walk back into (ducking various pieces of furniture and wall debris) when I am gone for the weekend. so i gotta quit that. ;)

now, just a few words/comments/questions.

1. Why did no one formally bring up the issue of Turori (V) bidding so soon after his last cup formally until after the vote was released?

My 1.5 cents....it was voted on fairly, and it was won fairly, with everyone clear that Turori was a bid partner. So I agree that the bid stays as is.

2. Should LeResistance get WCXX if they make 2nd or whatever?

I have a SEVERE problem with this, and would have had a problem even if I wasn't bidding for it. Problem is that you are nowing making one bid automatically much more likely to win. See for example. let's say FMJ/Mas and LE/Rejis are the only bids. an the votes are 10-1 for FMJ/Mas. Obviously the cup wanted FMJ/Mas to win...but because LE/Rejis came in second, they get to host the cup?

Bad idea. period. If a pair wants to win a bid, then bid for it, and win legitimately. don't try to make it easier for a team to win.

3. TBF cohost with Kry and I for WCXX?

Interesting idea, i'll talk with Kry.

4. Giving a country a place on the WCC if they could have won.

Bad idea. too many interpretations of "if could have won" and pretty much also pointed out that people can well, do choose to think they could have won and name themselves to the cup.

5. A team can't host the cup except for 1 in 4; this includes puppets.

If that's the unofficial rule, then make it official. this problem solved.

6. Why on earth is the draw THIS EARLY?

I know TBF must be ancy to get started, but I have a cup that is timeline going on before the World cup, and some players reference that...can you at least let me finish the Eagle's Cup or get really close to finishing it before you run MD1?

6. Why on earth is the draw THIS EARLY?

I know TBF must be ancy to get started, but I have a cup that is timeline going on before the World cup, and some players reference that...can you at least let me finish the Eagle's Cup or get really close to finishing it before you run MD1?

Yeah, sure, I just wanted to get it out of the way at the weekend so:
A) I can leave my options open on when to start.
and
B)I would have lots of time and lots of people would be *here*.

I know I might be being a bit petty here, but surely it would be a good idea to know all the rankings before making the draw? OK, all the top teams are sorted, but tournaments such as the BoF that will still have an effect on the rankings are still taking place.

But hey, I didn't put a hosting bid in, so why am I complaining?

I know I might be being a bit petty here, but surely it would be a good idea to know all the rankings before making the draw? OK, all the top teams are sorted, but tournaments such as the BoF that will still have an effect on the rankings are still taking place.

But hey, I didn't put a hosting bid in, so why am I complaining?

I was thinking much the same thing. For any of you who may have been wondering why I haven't released a list of official rankings yet, that's because we don't have the official rankings yet -- the BoF still needs to be finished.

Though Starblaydia are actually sixteenth in the World, as far as we know, Turori in 15th and The Belmore Family some way above us are both auto-qualifiers, which pushes our seeding up to 14th, we assume. Either way thats good, as Starblaydis tend to regard the number 4 and its derivatives as lucky.

What rankings I do have (which are complete aside from the aforementioned BoF) do indeed show Starblaydia at #14, including all nations. Turori is also 15th, but that's behind you, not ahead. ;) And TBF is 50th, so that certainly wouldn't push your seeding up. :p

On another note: dial-up internet is teh suX0r. As are computers with keyboards slightly different from my own. So if I seem inordinately happy when I get my own internet access back in a few days, that's why. :D

What rankings I do have (which are complete aside from the aforementioned BoF) do indeed show Starblaydia at #14, including all nations. Turori is also 15th, but that's behind you, not ahead. ;) And TBF is 50th, so that certainly wouldn't push your seeding up. :p

Well that's even groovier, so just put it down to atrocious Starblaydi journalism as per usual. Though the last time you gave me my rank it was 16th. Anyway.


eloratings.net World Rankings
14 Sweden
16 Denmark

This just gets better and better! Simeone Di Bradini = Henrik Larsson. Niiiiice :D

I know I might be being a bit petty here, but surely it would be a good idea to know all the rankings before making the draw? OK, all the top teams are sorted, but tournaments such as the BoF that will still have an effect on the rankings are still taking place.

The draw is based on Post WC18 ranks. The scorination will use BoF ranks, don't worry.

In a conversation on IRC at about the quarter-final stage, Audioslavia were ahead of Vilita in the rankings. Both sides had been knocked out. Now, in the WC19 pre-RP thread, Vilita are 2nd and Audioslavia are 6th.

What happened?

just wondering :)

In a conversation on IRC at about the quarter-final stage, Audioslavia were ahead of Vilita in the rankings. Both sides had been knocked out. Now, in the WC19 pre-RP thread, Vilita are 2nd and Audioslavia are 6th.

What happened?

just wondering :)

Under-21 World Cup figured in

Under-21 World Cup figured in

aha!

i get it now :) damn my recent shiteness in that tournament!

aha!

i get it now :) damn my recent shiteness in that tournament!

Usually it doesnt make that much difference, but i think 2-8 were seperated by half a KPB :)