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GMC says there's an "agreed" solution to all of this.

Beacuse OMG Rezo MUST be evil and brainwash my children! :mad:

Geez, can't I RP my own citizens? Is that too much to ask?

I guess so, because Rezo must be able to do his little torture, brainwash and corruption thingy ... with my people!

I have reason to suspect that Rezo got onto this partly beacuse he OOC loathes me and wants to do bad things to me, and since he can't do said things OOC he'll do them vicariously through EC.

Geez, can't I RP my own citizens? Is that too much to ask?

Well, can you? Every single civilian character on St Peter Island was created by Rezo or myself, if you haven't noticed. Lawan, Sarai, Catherine Chomechai and such are our characters because you didn't bother to write any people on the island so we had to fill in the gaps.

'Agreed solution' means that we've already agreed what happens to the girl, roughly. And to be honest, that a member of the resistance happened to be in just the right place at the right time to save her [closer than, say, the Eurusean troops already at the wall] is just kinda...Silly. Shouldn't the Resistance be more concerned with the fact that there's no point holding back in the South anymore since EC has decreed everyone is going to be killed there regardless of whether there's resistance or not so they have nothing to lose either way?

Also, attacking the North first isn't a good idea. To be exact, you'll get most of the remaining civilians killed if you don't attack the south first, since EC is unlikely to have any problems with dropping artillery on the Syskeyian forces in the North.

I don't suppose that while you were (Hopefully) reading through my and Eurusea's posts, you eventually got what is supposed to happen, did you?

... No, not really. You didn't.

Or, hell, perhaps you care reading through this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=426179[/url) thread to see what will actually happen to the children (Yes, it's been a while since I posted. EC is just a puppet, not my primary nation).

And, frankly, while I... errr... Well, not specifically loathe... lets call it 'pity'... So. While I do indeed pity you, I tend to believe that I'm not oocly poor enough to live such things out ICly, thank you very much.

Fact remains, the outcome of this particular action has been decided, and all that is required from you is getting the goddamn fleet to St. Peter to recapture it. Frankly, I've ever-growing issues with regards to suspending my disbelief that EC is not sending reinforcements, not attacking the fleet in transit, not cutting Syskeyian civilian traffic by way of submarines, not concentrating considerable aerial forces on St. Peter, and while we're at it, not mounting an all-out attack on Syskeyia proper.

So, stop bitching, don't interefere with embedded storylines that have been worked out on irc, and just move in your fleet. If you hurry, you might even arrive before the southern half of St. Peter is entirely depopulated.

Which would be the point of arriving, really...

Edit: So, anyway... If I was actually silly enough to live out my ooc issues in an ic way, I simply wouldn't suspend my disbelief with all this issues, and Syskeyia would be in vastly more trouble than it actually is...

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I hate being pitied, because OMG I'm just a stupid little poor inferior Catholikc person who doesn't worhsip on the altar of techwank, small armies, 100% tax rates and social libertarianism. :mad:

*loathes all the criticism made about every little thing about his country back when he was on mIRC*

Or maybe I'll just go to II, where my idiotic RPing skills will seem competent. :rolleyes:

Also, attacking the North first isn't a good idea. To be exact, you'll get most of the remaining civilians killed if you don't attack the south first, since EC is unlikely to have any problems with dropping artillery on the Syskeyian forces in the North.

Drat, so I should attack the south first? But where's the dramatic tension - after the bloody and intense fight with EC fanatics, finishing off the Eurusean forces might seem anticlimactic. Or would it? What do you think?

Plus, if you look at the map (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v123/Syskeyia/spcbattlemap.gif), there's plenty of forces for my landing on the north, while in the South there's several mountain/hills, that could be used for artillery, or something.

Or maybe I could just stop whining about everything and just adjust my plans, et cetera...

Oh, and my fleet is on the way - when are you guys going to respond to it?

Drat, so I should attack the south first? But where's the dramatic tension - after the bloody and intense fight with EC fanatics, finishing off the Eurusean forces might seem anticlimactic. Or would it? What do you think?

Well, look at it from a logical perspective:

1. The civilians in the North are in no apparent immediate danger; they are being fed and cared for relatively well by the occupying forces, who are also rebuilding destroyed infrastructure. As a result, invasion in the North is not a priority because there's no immediate threat there; in addition, it decreases fleet logistics for you because you don't have to bring food and medical supplies for the civilians there.

2. The civilians in the South are being treated appallingly and subject to starvation, arbitary execution and genocide. The Southern infrastructure has collapsed, and any survivors will require urgent medical care and dedicated medical personnel. It is a time-sensitive matter to intervene there and stop the killing before the South is entirely depopulated.

3. Because Eurusean troops are rebuilding in the North, any invasion there would have to be handed extremely carefully to avoid doing more damage than the Eurusean force itself did; people are unlikely to be happy to see rescuers if it involves their homes being destroyed a second time.

4. If the main invasion is to the North, EC forces would have few qualms about shelling Syskeyian forces as they moved through built-up areas; this would potentially lead to very high civilian fatalities among the healthy survivors in the North, since EC certainly wouldn't care about collateral damage.

5. Doramascher is less of a threat to the landings than the EC battleship present in the South; her main guns are lighter, and her broadside is only half her main guns [4], rather than the EC ship being able to use all of them. Disabling that ship is a higher priority.

6. A full-scale landing to the North would disrupt recovery efforts underway on the remaining Syskeyian ships not searched for survivors yet, possibly leading to more fatalities among survivors there.

7. It's unlikely that a diplomatic solution has been completely ruled out, given that the North area forces aren't actively engaged in harming civilians as they are in the South. As an addition, if your enemy is feeding your civilians and rebuilding their homes, it's unlikely you'd be in an enormous hurry to stop them; especially when a second enemy is busy nailing people to crosses and starving them to death.

It's possible a solution could be reached where the North doesn't need to be taken at all, given that I could tell you OOCly that those forces would be pulled off the island after a few IC months anyway after the civil war in Eurusea.

I hate being pitied, because OMG I'm just a stupid little poor inferior Catholikc person who doesn't worhsip on the altar of techwank, small armies, 100% tax rates and social libertarianism.Well, that's not exactly why I pity you... I've different reasons. I might even explain them to you, though certainly not on the forums. That would be bad form, ne?

Oh, and my fleet is on the way - when are you guys going to respond to it?Well, given that any EC naval force hitting a fleet with plenty of troop transporters would result in the attempt to recapture St. Peter failing (Due to things like sinking troop transporters), I'm not going to write up reactions before they hit the area around St. Peter that can be covered by the EC planes stationed there. Which I suppose would be your next post.

And, other than that, while your original plan (Attacking the weaker Eurusean force first) makes sense from a purely tactical point of view, there's this thing GMC mentioned. You do want to save lives. I do also suspect that the Syskeyian resistance has tansmitted messages back home which give relative detailed information regarding which side does what, which should make EC the primary target. Finally, in addition to what GMC already mentioned, some, ah... dislike the Euruseans have for EC should be more than noticeable. So should be the EC zeal that results in them shooting even into their own ranks, if a force penetrates.

In other words, the Eurusean force is rather unlikely to give EC fire support if EC's attacked. EC on the other hand would simply shell the northern half of St. Peter if the Eurusean force is attacked, simply assuming that a few hundred dead Euruseans are worth a few dozen dead Syskeyians.

So, if you attack Eurusea first, you'll fight both occupying forces at the same time. If you attack EC, you can eliminate one after the other, or - As GMC mentioned - come to an agrement with Eurusea.

Last but not least, EC is already weakened by diseases. This, together with its zeal - Which can be used to lure them into traps, though given the Syskeyian tactics I've seen so far, the later seems to be unlikely - weakens its theoretical strength. Considerably so.

Last but not least, EC is already weakened by diseases. This, together with its zeal - Which can be used to lure them into traps, though given the Syskeyian tactics I've seen so far, the later seems to be unlikely - weakens its theoretical strength. Considerably so.

But, what kind of traps would the Syskeyians prepare, since they are 1)on the offensive (at least strategically, for the most part - if they were on the defensive they'd have more time and such to prepare traps), and 2)for a good part of the fight, fighting uphill? And on what scale would these traps be? Squad-level? Platoon? Company? Battalion? Division?

Just what scale would these traps be on and some suggestions for what kind of traps these would be would be extremely helpful.

So South it is...

And here's the battle plan!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v123/Syskeyia/spcinvasionplan.gif
OK, So I only put 6 amphib divisions there, instead of the 7 that will be there. You still get the general idea.
I initally land with six divisions, with another off to the north doing an "amphibious demonstration" (read: trying to fool you guys into thinking that it is the main invasion force). Two divisions will be assigned to take the large hills/small mountains to the east and west of the beaches, though said hills will have endured heavy air and naval bombardment by then. The three "center divisions' will then head well inland, establishing a clear beachhead so that the five "reserve" divisions can make it ashore (they're on large RO/RO ships, so I'll be using naval causeways as makeshift piers/docks/etc. to unroll the vehicles onto - something I intend to RP.) During this time, the amphib divisions will defend the perimeter a la traps and such. With all the divisions ashore, I shall then close in on the big dormant volcano and spell and end to EC occupation of the southern half of St. Peter Claver Island.

Hopefully, I shall also get some agreement with Eurusea wherein they withdraw from the island.

What do you think?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v123/Syskeyia/mtvl_amphib.gif
The main Syskeyian APC during the liberation of the island

Pictureesque BUMP!

I'll admit it. I kinda fell asleep halfway through your strategy post. I promise that I'll read and properly react as soon as there's an In Character version, though. Deal?

I'll admit it. I kinda fell asleep halfway through your strategy post. I promise that I'll read and properly react as soon as there's an In Character version, though. Deal?

Well, you can just get the idea of the strategy through the animated gif. :P

Hopefully, I shall also get some agreement with Eurusea wherein they withdraw from the island.

What do you think?

Well, at first you'd recieve concessions of inspections of the Northern areas so that it could be determined that civilians were not being harmed, in return for concessions regarding leaving Eurusean supply ships and their escorts alone. Regarding negotiations, until the civil war ends Turtsev won't be moved from his orders regarding the occupation to last for not less than eighty years, afterwards a gradual withdrawal can be negotiated.

This also means you don't have to write that special forces unit anymore, since Doramascher wouldn't fire at the invasion fleet unless she was fired on by it. Oh, and while we're showing off tanks, new PS-11 Stalin pic:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/GMCMA/Eurusea/PS-11small.jpg

Armament is two 14-inch L75 glide cannons side-by side, two coaxial 60mm automatic cannons, a 35mm autocannon with a coaxial 7.72mm light machine gun in the commander's miniturret, two 35mm autocannons and eight surface-to-air missiles in the rear miniturret, and a .50 heavy machine gun on the loader's hatch.

This also means you don't have to write that special forces unit anymore, since Doramascher wouldn't fire at the invasion fleet unless she was fired on by it.But Dora's gonna stay at St. Peter until the civil war's over right? Disabling Megalith is gonna be a big enough pain without taking out Dora, too.

But Dora's gonna stay at St. Peter until the civil war's over right? Disabling Megalith is gonna be a big enough pain without taking out Dora, too.

Yus, she's there until the end of the war.

Well, at first you'd recieve concessions of inspections of the Northern areas so that it could be determined that civilians were not being harmed, in return for concessions regarding leaving Eurusean supply ships and their escorts alone.

That sounds reasonable, but...

Regarding negotiations, until the civil war ends Turtsev won't be moved from his orders regarding the occupation to last for not less than eighty years, afterwards a gradual withdrawal can be negotiated.

You mean they have to stay there for 80 years?

Not gonna happen. Guess I'll have to take the northern side as well.

You mean they have to stay there for 80 years?

Regarding negotiations, until the civil war ends Turtsev won't be moved from his orders regarding the occupation to last for not less than eighty years, afterwards a gradual withdrawal can be negotiated.

That is, after a few IC months. Turtsev's current orders are for not less than eighty years; once the civil war ends, these orders will change and an immediate [or near to] withdrawal could be negotiated. To be honest, you'd need a few months to get the South sorted out anyway, so it wouldn't look the like North was being 'sold out' in that time.

Please read things that look ridiculous again to see if they actually are.

*Drools at GMCs tank, still hopes secretly he'll get his own some day*