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Whenever the thread for MIDAS, Valinon, and New Ortaga attacking my capital system starts, let's put all OOC comments in this thread. Also, just to avoid confusion, we should all post our forces and any relevant information.

Gregor is a G2 star, so for any using Honorverse tech, the hyperlimit lies at 21.12 light minutes. Vernii is the third planet and is pretty much earthlike. Endicott is the fourth world, and except for a temperate band around the equator, is covered with ice and snow. System industry is concentrated in orbit over Vernii or at it's Lagrange Points.

Natural wormholes connect Gregor with Alpha-Centauri, Erewohn, and New Tyrolia. Each one is defended with fortresses, minefields, and nearby warships.

People's Navy of Vernii
Commander: Fleet Admiral Harris
Flagship: Empyrean

Capital Ships:
8 Empyrean superdreadnoughts
10 Resplendant pod superdreadnoughts
80 Victory dreadnoughts
8 Formidable pod dreadnoughts
36 Victoria Regina dreadnoughts
8 Triumphant-A battleships
32 Sultan battlecruisers
8 Imperious battlecruisers
8 Incomparable light carriers
8 Hydra fleet carriers

Escorts:
80 Mars heavy cruisers
32 Serapis heavy cruisers
66 Courageous light cruisers
46 Amalthea light cruisers
96 Turbulent destroyers
56 Province destroyers

System Defenses:
Vernii*
1 Bastion
5 Guardians
6 Defenders
Alpha-Centauri Junction
2 Guardians
8 Defenders
Erewohn Junction
6 Defenders
New Tyrolia Junction
4 Light Weapons Platforms

Verniian Space Guard
6 Mars heavy cruisers
36 Dragonfly frigates

*There's also hundreds automated weapons platforms and missile pods in orbit, slaved to the fire control of the forts, and a few thousand ex-Valinor gunships I converted into automated missile ships (thx Valinon!). Also, I'm not even going to cover surface emplacements on Vernii and it's moon, or LACs and fighters.

I will be using those two Trentons I bought from you to supply your forces with provisions, should you be under siege. (Non-Vernii forces should not know about that).

Also, we would like to send five hospital/recovery ships to the battle, to treat the inevitable high casualties and remove stricken vessels from the fray, lest their crews perish.

Would you have any objections?

"If jesus saves -- well, he’d better save himself
From the gory glory seekers who use his name in death.
Oh jesus save me!"

-Lines from the LRRSF anthem

That would be fine.

Ok, just wanted to make sure.

Vernii my friend my navy will give all it can in this endevor, what that is as of yet i am not sure as much of my navy is fighting the Solar Navy. I can garrentee at least a heavy task force at least. as that is what i would have around Endicott. Perhapes more who can tell exactly how this war will devolp more definate numbers as things become more finilzed.


I ant spell check so :P

.::TAGGY WAGGY::.

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New OOC Update: I have purchased a FTL inhibitor system with a current range of 25 light minutes.

His Majesty's Kreigsmarine (Star Armada) Raumreich Expeditionary Force
Commander: First Star Lord Grossadmiral Sir Quentin Forrest
Flagship: HMS Krieger

Capital Ships
32 Athena-class super-dreadnoughts (pods)
4 Reich-class dreadnought (pods)
48 Penrod the Great-class dreadnoughts
24 Judicator-class battleships
48 Ajax-class battlecruisers
9 Albion-class super carriers
12 Enigma-class carriers
4 Spartan-class warships (Myrmidon vessels)

Escorts
95 Empress Kirtsten-class heavy cruisers
100 Rasalhague-class light cruisers
125 Eurytion-class destroyers

Special Craft
11 Magellan-class science vessels
18 Voltra-class modified bulk cruisers (Mobile D.O.S. platforms)
9 Peacekeeper-class parasite support cruisers

Boroglian Expansionary Defense Fleet Detachment
Commander: Vice Admiral Othem Baresto
Flagship: BWS Crossbone

8 Midway-class dreadnoughts
6 Proteus-class carriers
15 Plunkett-class heavy cruisers
36 Hades-class quick strike cruisers
18 Murphy-class light cruisers
24 Man 'o War-class destroyers
36 Hoplite-class destroyer escorts

Greater Empire of Vakutu Imperial Fleet Detachment
Commander: Lord Admiral Ralgha nar Hhallas
Flagship: KIS Hvar'kann

16 Hvar'kann-class dreadnoughts
10 Bhantkara-class heavy cruisers
21 Fralthi-class cruisers
20 Raltha-class destroyers
12 Bordrav-class destroyer escorts

OOC: We are ready. For the most part I will be handling the majority of general posts with the various MIDAS nations and Knootoss contributing posts as they find the time and inspiration.

*seconds that*

That is pretty much it. I may either contribute a lot (when internet is restored quickly) or not much at all (when I lose the connection for a looooong time).

I'll just tag along with MIDAS as long as the allies don't start nuking planets or shit.

Vernii, aren't you a member of the ESUS? You do realize, you can ask me and the other members of the ESUS to assist, right?

Vernii, aren't you a member of the ESUS? You do realize, you can ask me and the other members of the ESUS to assist, right?

The problem is that most of us are involved in the Shivans and have little to spare. Since you ignored the Shivan war (not a bad idea really) you might have the numbers to assist Vernii, but the rest of us probably won't.

In any case, my close cousins out of Far Tortuga have already infiltrated the Raumreich, taking up residence in the old Kerezin sector. Their forces are kind of spread, but if you were to summor them Vernii a few heavy cruisers and a battleship would assit in your fight.

The Skeelzanian Home Fleet is also undeployed, so if you called for ESUS Support I could lend a few dozen men-of-war.

*sighs* Fine...

Five Civilized Nations Tian Min (Heavenly Will) Strike Fleet
Commander: Grand Admiral Horatio Gates Nelson, Lord of Trafalgar
Flagship: CNSS-1988 Nahel Argama II
Total Warships: 540

Capital Ships
9 Terra Class Assault Dreadnaught
15 Argama Class Carrier Battleships
24 Ra Cailum Class Battleships
37 Archangel Class Battleships
11 Kazansky Class Cruisers
37 Albion Mark III Class Assault Carriers
73 Salamis Class Cruisers
115 Musai Mark XII Class Assault Cruisers
91 Titian Class Destroyers
88 Meteor Mark XIX Class Assault Frigates
8 Excalibur Class Strike Frigates

Specialist Vessels
7 Hammerhead Class Science Cruisers
3 Einstein Class Scientific Research and Exploration Cruisers
4 Interdictor Class FTL Inhibitor Cruisers
24 Helepolis Class Mobile Orbital Planetary Defense Fortresses

Five Civilized Nations Mobile Strike Force
Commander: Vice Admiral Armad Delaz
Flagship: CNSS-1801 La Vie En Rose
Total Warships: 102

Capital Ships
1 Argama Class Carrier Battleship
9 Kazansky Class Cruisers
12 Albion Mark III Class Assault Carriers
30 Musai Mark XII Class Assault Cruisers
41 Meteor Mark XIX Class Assault Frigates
9 Excalibur Class Strike Frigates

My thanks 5CN. Skeelzania, I don't expect you to help, but if you want to it's completely fine with me. The reason I hadn't asked ESUS is because most are involved with the Shivans, plus I'd gotten into this war before I joined ESUS.

Well, I've pretty much divorced myself from the Shivan conflict, so my fleets are free...

Vagari units will be available, if you really need help. We may pull out, though, if it looks like you're going to lose.

Not to sound too mercenary, but, well, we are. :D

Vagari units will be available, if you really need help. We may pull out, though, if it looks like you're going to lose.

Not to sound too mercenary, but, well, we are. :D

I always said "never trust a people who are more floppy than a boneless chicken."

I always said "never trust a people who are more floppy than a boneless chicken."

I think the general implication of "We nuke people for money" should be taken into account also, when deciding how far to trust people.

I think the general implication of "We nuke people for money" should be taken into account also, when deciding how far to trust people.

And Skeelzanian's nuke people for fun. I still don't trust you space bums, Arenumberg might of but shes been deleted.

Vernii, where is the IC Thread, so I might check it out and see if we can fit Far Tortuga in? If you want their help, of course.

The IC thread hasn't been started yet. It'll prob start after a couple RPs start to wrap up on the Raumreich Forum (http://s8.invisionfree.com/Raumreich/index.php?act=idx).

I am sorry to inform you Vernii, but due to negotiations with the nation of Sunset, the Five Civilized Nations fleets will only intervene in the conflict only if your planet is being directly bombarded by the attacking forces.

As a part of these negotiations, Sunset has agreed to allow your people to survive and continue.

As a part of these negotiations, Sunset has agreed to allow your people to survive and continue.

Under Valinon's occupancy? :D
Ah, I must go get a glass of water before I cackle to death.

I would help more actively, but LRR has a history of being friendly to Valinon, and we cannot just go and fight them.

So yeah, Vernii those ships of yours you had me build are ready whenever you want to pick them up. Any other secret orders?

They are? Most excellent. Thanks LRR. These + another squadron I bought from a friendly neutral party adds another 16 SD(P)s to my Wall. Now to think up names for them....

They are? Most excellent. Thanks LRR. These + another squadron I bought from a friendly neutral party adds another 16 SD(P)s to my Wall. Now to think up names for them....

It's easy for me.

*Goes up and down classic rock CD collection*

lol...

Vernii, if you need vessels, we'll provide any vessel before the rolling out of the Terra Class Assault Dreadnaught for 25% of their normal cost...

Just check the marketplace on the ESUS website.

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New Ortaga its good to see you can post on the fourms again...cant wait for ur reply to our thread :)

Solar Navy Third Mobile Operations Fleet
Flag Commander: Admiral Fitch Latimer
Second in Command: Vice Admiral Antioch Kellert
Flagship: HSS Obsidian Blade, Hegemony class dreadnought

Ship Total:
10 Phoenix class dreadnoughts
24 Hegemony class dreadnoughts
36 Roum class war frigates
38 Solace class gunships
24 Revolution class destroyers
60 Ansel class monitors

Solar Navy Acler Expeditionary Force
Flag Commander: Vice Admiral Ana Ithaca
Second in Command: Commodore Raphael Jodri
Flagship: HSS Iron Heart, Hegemony class dreadnought

Ship Total:
8 Hegemony class dreadnoughts
10 Roum class war frigates
8 Revolution class destroyers
36 Ansel class monitors

And the Stars Themselves Wept (The Fall of Gregor, and the Age of the Valinor) (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=6675042#post6675042)

And so it begins.

As this involves MIDAS, and Wazzu is becomming active again, this might involve my nation as well. Could someone lay out the background for me?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=334139

The first battles of the war.

Summary:
-Second Fleet hits the Yalta system, a Valinor protectorate. Two other task forces hit Stocurm and Madras.
-Each system's navy gets the crapped knocked out of it, but Second Fleet is forced to withdraw before it can engage the Valinor Armada detachment.

Ive started dealing with suspected Vernii trade partners on Earth and Mars...quite brutally I might add. Ive bombed LRR with several low yield Anti-Matter weapons.


http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=6678149#post6678149

There's the link. I really wished it didn't have to come to this.

Ive started dealing with suspected Vernii trade partners on Earth and Mars...quite brutally I might add. Ive bombed LRR with several low yield Anti-Matter weapons.


http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=6678149#post6678149

There's the link. I really wished it didn't have to come to this.

I hate to say it, but badly played. And you left yourself WIDE open. I'd certainly feel bad for anyone who tried to pull something like that on me.

I agree...:P Im totally bad at Naval Rp, also, I played it knowing that the LRR doesn't have sufficient military power to respond in any real way. I wouldn't have been so lax when it came to attacking a real military power. I also know that n00king is bad form...but, I would rather not waste too many resources on the LRR, seeing as we're fighting the Vernii here.

Auman, I do have some escort warships and a light fortress in Sol for protection of my commercial interests. Perhaps I should give your Mars territory a tase of gigaton level kinetic bombardment?

Auman, I do have some escort warships and a light fortress in Sol for protection of my commercial interests. Perhaps I should give your Mars territory a tase of gigaton level kinetic bombardment?

Sounds good, Its not like Im completely overstretched...

Alright, hehe, we just opened up yet another front to the war. You are a MIDAS nation right? Oh, what's an STL system? And just for info, the inhibitor field has a radius of 25 light minutes.

*Sigh* yea sweet move slaughtering civillians like that. A move of the weak if u ask me, weak and cowardly, well hope all Valinon allies are not cowardly thugs.

I mean really and now targeting of Hospital ships too...

Anywhoo read up on the Invasion of Thetis to im the southern raumriech nation Valinon sold out to ortaga incase any of yall were wondering about me

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=334940

Auman, I think you'll be getting a few unexpected visitors soon (Damnit, where the hell did that :twisted: icon go? It would be perfect for here!)

Alright, hehe, we just opened up yet another front to the war. You are a MIDAS nation right? Oh, what's an STL system? And just for info, the inhibitor field has a radius of 25 light minutes.

SLT(whoops) Supra-luminous Travel, your typical Space Fold system. Klonor, you better back off, if you attack me you'll trigger numerous defensive agreements I have in place and Wick, Valinon's allies aren't thugs...thats all me ;)

First off, the LRR are pathetic, wretched, cowards and have had this coming for a long time. Secondly, how the hell was that crew supposed to know they were hospital ships?

Vernii...Ive been trying to start this new front, as it keeps you from focusing on Gregor, so 'if' you funnel more troops, ships and supplies it, that would be nice :)

SLT(whoops) Supra-luminous Travel, your typical Space Fold system. Klonor, you better back off, if you attack me you'll trigger numerous defensive agreements I have in place and Wick, Valinon's allies aren't thugs...thats all me ;)

First off, the LRR are pathetic, wretched, cowards and have had this coming for a long time. Secondly, how the hell was that crew supposed to know they were hospital ships?

Vernii...I've been trying to start this new front, as it keeps you from focusing on Gregor, so 'if' you funnel more troops, ships and supplies it, that would be nice :)

There's nothing that can happen to make me take my focus off Gregor, it's my capital system. And about this part that you posted earlier:


I've started dealing with suspected Vernii trade partners on Earth and Mars...

Like what? Every nation in KIST? Multiple trade ports in several neutral nations? That'd spark off a lot of wars.

EDIT: This isn't just to Auman, it's to a lot of players. I get annoyed when I see my nation referred to as "The Vernii". They're human, and the adjective for them is Verniian. I don't see people saying "The Valinon", so can you please refer to them as Verniian?

Auman, if you do not control yourself and attack neutral, innocent bystanders, the Five Civilized Nations will have no alternative but to commit its forces to the annilihation of yours.

Would you prefer the adjective "People of the Vernii"...damn it, you're my enemy I'll call you what I want.

Anyhow, you people are taking this far to seriously. This is an OOC thread. And my nation is made up of a bunch of ex-terrorists.

Would you prefer the adjective "People of the Vernii"...damn it, you're my enemy I'll call you what I want.

Anyhow, you people are taking this far to seriously. This is an OOC thread. And my nation is made up of a bunch of ex-terrorists.

Or you could just call them Verniians, like I pointed out above. Anyway, I need some info, how many groups of frigates are there hanging around on the outskirts of my system?

It changes anywhere fro 2-8 flotilla's at any given time...that post was less casualty causing than it was just to set the mood of an imminent attack.

I know, I'm going after them though.

Update on forces in the Murder, Death, Discord thread:

A total of about 18 aerospace craft have launched from a gas mining station into Juipiter's atmosphere (to cover their intent/advance) on the Vernii Corsica Station. They are trying to outrace the Aumani fleets to the station...where the Aumani have stopped to deal with the Martian-incomming WMDs.

The small group includes:

10 Drake light-fighters. (http://members.cox.net/davage/NationStates/Wazzu/Military/Vehicles/Drake.html) These are "cheap" fighters by Wazzu standards, costing a "measily" billion $US or so a peice...which makes them quite formidable for their number. More exact stats MAY be made available later.

8 Pascal (http://members.cox.net/sincityraiders/images/Pascal.jpg) gas-mining craft modified for transport/rescue operations. The Pascal is a civilian craft origionally made to withstand the (then) harsh Venus atmosphere, and redesigned to withstand Juipiter's harsh environment as well (at least the upper atmosphere). So they are quite tough, but still weaponless. Each carries only about 20 troops (plus crew).

This is of course all secret...but I feel it is necessary to give you OOC information so the RP can continue smoothly.

EDIT: Link Fix.

Alright, thanks Wazzu. The station wouldn't see your ships coming until they pulled out of the atmosphere. The sensor crew isn't that diligent or well trained. The station itself though is armed, equivalent to about a cruiser.

I should go ahead and post the stats for Corsica. Imagine it as sort of a dumbbell shape, with weapons and crew sections in the two ends, and docking arms and hangars along the center section. Weapons are evenly spaced out along the sections.

Corsica
Mass (Tons): 252,000
Complement: 680 (50 Officers + 600 Warrant/Enlisted + 30 Marines)

Armament Mounted / Weapon Mount Placement
Missile Launcher: 7 per hammerhead (14 total)
Laser (90cm): 4 per hammerhead (8 total)
PD laser cluster: 3 per hammerhead (6 total)
CM Launcher: 4 per hammerhead,(8 total)

Parasite Complement: 12 pinnaces

OK, in the Murder, Death, Discord thread:

On Earth, off the coast of LRR (assuming LRR has a coast), 5 very large (500 meter long) submarines have surfaced. These are not exactly quiet submarines, nor are they attack/balistic missile subs. They are basically just very large submersible troop transports.

You can also be sure that they have a supporting fleet.

I don't have the exact numbers in front of me but it doesn't really matter, they aren't exactly there to attack.

I'd like to point out that at the moment Wazzu is in some fairly complex internal political turmoil, so its actions are not guided by any one authority (hense contradicting moves by different characters in different places).

Anyhow, just thought I'd keep it clear here.

In regaurds to Kajal's post in And the Stars Themselves Wept (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=344665&page=3&pp=15);

I designed and sold the FTLi system that Vernii is using; it doesn't pull you out of hyper/sub/etc. space, but you will not be able to re-enter realspace within it's area of effect. Arbitrary definitions and cascading infinities are fun. :D ;)

In regaurds to Kajal's post in And the Stars Themselves Wept (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=344665&page=3&pp=15);

I designed and sold the FTLi system that Vernii is using; it doesn't pull you out of hyper/sub/etc. space, but you will not be able to re-enter realspace within it's area of effect. Arbitrary definitions and cascading infinities are fun. :D ;)


God, I completely botched up my first post, so I just deleted it. So the FTLi system will let ships that are in whatever FTL system they use pass through it, but they just can't drop out of it?

It doesn't? Ah...damnit. That was the entire point of me wanting to buy an FTLi field on the ESUS forum, to keep ships out of the system, not prevent them from escaping.

No, no; they can stay in hyper-sub/etc. space, but they can't leave it to re-enter real space. If they try so without leaving the feild's radius of effect, well, they can't; they'll sooner crush their ships against the barrier feilds. It works the other way too, preventing ships in real space from entering hyper/sub/etc. space.

It's called a TrueSpace Barrier Effector for a reason; it creates an impassible barrier between real/true space, and enerything else. It's not an interdictor, it just stops transitions from happening. It'll also stop wormholes, mess with lesser space-bending tech, and inhibit hyper/sub/etc space-dependent technologies.

EDIT:

God, I completely botched up my first post, so I just deleted it. So the FTLi system will let ships that are in whatever FTL system they use pass through it, but they just can't drop out of it?

Yeah, basicly.

On the plus side, it helps keep the merchies from bitching at you if there happens to be a major shipping corridor passing through your system ;)

Thusly, any form of FTL communications will be rendered somewhat... dead, no?

Thusly, any form of FTL communications will be rendered somewhat... dead, no?


If you're referring to my FTL sensor platforms, they work differently than most types of FTL communication system. You know how it's possible to send messages via laser? These work on about the same principle, but with gravity pulses.

Thusly, any form of FTL communications will be rendered somewhat... dead, no?

Some, but not all. It's not perfect; myself, I'd typicly employ it as one of a half dozen FTLi systems.

From the IC thread:

"If they are willing, and I have little doubt they are, this could be a first step to ending this thing. However if the Vernii come I would not advise appearing in person - their choices in envoys is lacking."

Dekker laughed at this - the Vernii ambassador's actions were well known throughout the fleet.

The ironic thing is that my government still doesn't know about that. Knootoss never bothered to inform them of my ambassador's arrest, and my own embassy is blockaded on Earth by a Valinor warship.

He he he eh, sorry still gets me crackling, i love that post, Stevens is a great man...oh no i should not have done that he eh

People, the OOC thread exists for a reason, so the IC thread won't get cluttered up. If it's OOC, put it here.

That being said, Feazanthia, your numbers are pretty damn unreasonable. How the hell can a nation as small as yours produce a fleet that size? The fleet itself isn't that bad, but that's what I'd expect to see in a person's entire navy, not a single task force. Your fielding more starships than most larger nations have in their entire navies.

Anyway, Auman, I need numbers, how many missiles and whatever are being fired? Some ship stats would also be appreciated. Here's a Sultan's stats:

Sultan Class
Mass (Tons): 3,432,000
Length Overall (Meters): 1,600
Maximum Beam (Meters): 205
Maximum Height (Meters): 180
Maximum Acceleration (G): 489 in Normal-Space 4,728.5 in Hyper-Space
Complement: 1,995 (180 Officers + 1,815 Warrant/Enlisted + 300 Marines) Plus Flag/Flag Staff

Armament Mounted / Weapon Mount Placement
Missile Launcher: 20 per broadside, 5 per chase.
Laser 90cm: 5 per broadside, 0 per chase.
Laser 150cm: 0 per broadside, 2 per chase.
Graser 150cm: 6 per broadside, 0 per chase.
CM Launcher: 10 per broadside, 4 per chase.
PD Laser Cluster: 27 per broadside, 6 per chase.
Parasite Complement: Capacity for 10 shuttle sized vessels.

Wazzu movements in the Sol system.

1) Two fighters are accelerating VERY quickly on a head-to-head course with the Vernii ships returning to the station. It was the fastest/most direct route, but means that contact time will be very very short (as the fighters are speeding in the opposite direction as the returning ships).

2) 4 lightly damaged fighters that attacked the station are using Juipiters gravity and some thrust to do just the opposite. They are taking a long way around that will let them engage the Vernii ships for a long period of time (matching orbits so to speak). This will take a while, and will only happen if the Vernii ships don't make a drastic, unexpected move (like don't slow down approaching the station, doing a flyby instead...or just alter their orbit away). So for this engagement to happen, both sides will have to be willing. If either side wants, they can "play chicken"...or perhaps just change tactics.

Their damaged buddy is still flying off into space uncontrollably.

3) I am assuming the planet-side of the station was already damaged. The hull should be intact, but anything sensitive on that side not destroyed would probably be damaged enough to be inoperative. Of course, this is your call, I just don't see a way out of it (besides, it makes for a fun boarding scinario).

So 8 mining vessels modified for transport/rescue are carrying troops in that planet/blind-side, and the three escorting fighters are basically just throwing electrons on the hull...trying to get enough charge on the station (the charge would spread out) to disable basic electronics (artifical gravity, lighting, etc...though probably not critical systems like emergency life support, weapons, or anything else very heavily shielded).

4) 6 gunboats are on high alert back at the Wazzu mining station, but they won't be used unless someone unexpected shows up, or someone goes after the mining station.

5) Several Wazzu ships in the system are moving in to support the attack, but they do not have FTL drives. As such, it will take them quite a while to get there. Any battle at the station and between fighters/returning-ships will almost certainly be long over. Think of it as, "arrived too late to help."


EDIT: A side note for LRR. Play it how you like, but the Wazzu wet navy/subs really ARE there to provide aid and cleanup efforts. Just in case you were OOC wondering.

Alright, thanks for the clarifications.


Their damaged buddy is still flying off into space uncontrollably.

Now I know this might sound weird, but will it's course take it anywhere near the destroyers? My navy has a thing against leaving people to die in space, even if they are enemies.

Alright, thanks for the clarifications.



Now I know this might sound weird, but will it's course take it anywhere near the destroyers? My navy has a thing against leaving people to die in space, even if they are enemies.

Not likely, though it can if you wish it.

Remember, the five fighters were headed straight for the station and split up into opposite directions. That put them all on different vectors away from the planet...plus the uncontrolled flight made the eventual trajectory a bit unpredictable.

The other four fighters had to regroup and change their course to meet up with your destroyers. But it IS possible that that fighter may pass near your ships. Your choice.

He wouldn't have been left in space by Wazzu either except that there aren't any (human) Wazzu assets nearby to rescue him (Therian assets are nearby, but they are a bit...miffed...at current political events in Wazzu...and out of the loop). Not that it matters a whole lot...he'll be dead inside the hour of radiation poisoning.

He's probably pretty mad/depressed/etc. just now too....

Alright, nevermind then, he'd probably be dead by the time his ship was hauled in.

Wazzu, yeah thats what I thought. I mean, there's no reason to not let you into my waters.

Um, LRR, if I were you I'd have a few security teams waiting for the Aumanii, just in case they try something. They aren't exactly what I would call trustworthy.

Um, LRR, if I were you I'd have a few security teams waiting for the Aumanii, just in case they try something. They aren't exactly what I would call trustworthy.

But Vernii, that's against character. They might, but they've got no moral legs to stand on, and now no moral arms to grab onto things with, so, well, actually I think you are right. But what are automated defenses for? If they try to take hostages, the defense turrets will blast 'em. However I really should've moved the reception to an auxiliary bay.

So as of now, the reception is in an auxiliary bay regardless of what I said in the IC thread...yeah.

It's a good thing it wasn't my nation that got nuked. If the same talks were being held, the first thing any Verniian delegate would do would be to slap the Auman delegate and demand satisfaction.

Well, since Auman doesn't have any moral appendages he must be dealt with carefully. He's actually smaller than me, believe it or not. But that's besides the point.

There's going to be a lot of people there, so if the Aumanii delegates pull anything stupid it will get a lot of people angry. That kind of thing is just not tolerated.

wow thats some control u have vern. A wickian would have shot him dead, nothing is more important to wickians then honor and protection of civillians of our nation or any other, the natural duty of any navy.

If thetis was nuked we would have put a round in his gut let him suffer u know.

ofcourse the importance of these negoations we wont do that to any representives from the Hegemon.

wow thats some control u have vern. A wickian would have shot him dead, nothing is more important to wickians then honor and protection of civillians of our nation or any other, the natural duty of any navy.

If thetis was nuked we would have put a round in his gut let him suffer u know.

ofcourse the importance of these negoations we wont do that to any representives from the Hegemon.

Ok, so if you are sending somebody post it in the IC thread. I hope this conference will effectively stop the war. If it doesn't, well, I'm sort of out of ideas, but I really hope this works.

Heh, Wazzu probably would have shot a couple of the anti-matter bombs while they were in space...set off a chain reaction close to the Aumani fleet.

Well, OK, Wazzu was (is) in a bit of a turmoil and wasn't prepared...the dense population of Wazzu would probably actually have taken a lot of casualties.


VALINON: In the Murder, Death, Discord thread, exactly where are your ships?

All I have near Corsica station are 3 fighters and 8 civilian ships.

I have an aditional 5 fighters (in two seperate groups) headed for the ?eight? Vernii destroyers.

I have 6 gunships sitting connected to a mining station.

And I have various ships far from Juipiter taking their merry time getting there (one group and 2-3 ships moving individually from elsewhere).

So...exactly where are you?

Near some of my ships?

Near the Vernii destroyers?

Near Corsica station?

Somewhere else? Where?

Well, the problem is that the RSF actually didn't consider earth a really valid target, being one of the most useless LRR territories, there for sentimental value as much as anything. If it had been an attack on a space station, the flotilla would be in a much better position to react.

But Aumanii military vessels will become prime targets for RSF ships should they come into the rest of the galaxy, since the RSF ranges far and wide.

I don't have any WMD, though, so there's no ultra-nukings back, and the attack was a total surprise. If there's ever going to be an LRR v.s. Auman battle, it won't be over Gregor, and I hope there never will be.

People, the OOC thread exists for a reason, so the IC thread won't get cluttered up. If it's OOC, put it here.

That being said, Feazanthia, your numbers are pretty damn unreasonable. How the hell can a nation as small as yours produce a fleet that size? The fleet itself isn't that bad, but that's what I'd expect to see in a person's entire navy, not a single task force. Your fielding more starships than most larger nations have in their entire navies.

That IS my entire fleet. I have the nasty habit of deploying everything I have and letting static defenses handle my system defense. I decided that, if I'm going to stand a chance to make a difference in this conflict, I need every ship I can spare. Besides, most of the ships are smaller craft used for hit-and-run assaults. While the larger ships are pretty tough, the smaller ones are far easier to destroy.

And, ICly, I can accout for all of those. I recently purchased some massive shipyards, not to mention the addition of the Sonne clans into my nation.

-Feazanthia, deploying all your forces to a battle is like showing your hand before the game is over. Use reserves creatively.
-Vernii/Wick/LRR, if you want you can challenge my Delegate to a fist fight in the shuttle bay go for it, I'll tell you this though. Political Officers are trained from birth in many fields, most extensively in unarmed/melee combat...as well as politics, indoctrination, fealty, light psychic manipulation, etc.
-The Aumanii's know the difference between War and Politics, there isn't one. Though, politics are more of a subtle affair...Dont expect the Aumanii to say, shoot an opposing delegate *eyes Vernii*

What, is he gonna break a robot's neck?

But you should know that the RSF doesn't do that kind of thing. When they say truce they mean it, and by god nobody's going to make them go back on it. Instead of revenge and honor, it is more a high degree of morality, compassion, and honesty that goes into an RSF sailor.

Vernii, whats going on with that station orbiting Juipiter? I sent troops in and we never got to the battle. Is it just too insignifigant compared to everything else now? Or am I not realizing something?

Sorry, I'll try and have a post about it tomorrow, or later today rather, it's 1:30 AM where I am.

So, Vernii, I take it you won't be wanting me to get involved now? Atleast, it looks like the folks you wanted me to deal with are going to withdraw...

Pitty, I've never had a reason to deploy my Pocket Dreadnaughts in anything larger than the smallest of combative actions; usually just send a Superfortress or Battleplate.

Yeah, sorry. I just felt pretty cheap with all these ESUS nations coming in.

OOC: Vernii, check your telegrams.

~Siri

Done, I replied.

For those of you that are angry with Gustav II, please feel free to. That is the reason this last few events in the RP went the way they did, to reveal just how far things have changed in Valinon since Emperor Gustav I (the man who was Emperor when Valinon 'came' to Mars, and Gustav II's grandfather) died.
The Valinor have changed alot since the golden age launched at the end of the Outer Dominion Wars. They have become decadent, secure in their power, and above all else the Valinor generation coming of age now is arrogant as hell. As Falasmayon put it once in one of our OOC discussions of our nations:

"The Valinor: rich, old, powerful, and what's worse they know it."

The coming power in the Congress of Lords are the Centrists, and they are tired of the dancing around with an "informal" empire and are quite ready to give the charade up in return for a "formal" empire. As the Centrist come to power, they are gaining it at the expense of the two older groups that have traditionally moderated imperial power. First are the now declining Crown Loyalists and second is the stable, if stagnating, United Guildsmen made up of the nobles that dominate the United Guilds of Valinon's upper echelons.
What you will see in immediate future of Valinon is an era where Gustav II has mastered control of his own nation and most of the Raumreich. But, let us say that in the not so distant future things will not go according to Gustav II's plans. There will be changes in the Hegemony, and Gustav II will loose his Ortagan lackeys, and several of Valinon's Raumreich allies will realize that maybe the man who sits on the Throne of the Twin Suns may not be the best person to ally themselves with.
So in the future, please note that you will all get the pleasure of seeing Gustav II have to worry at night. Right now he's just reaping a few benefits.
I'm posting this because OOCly I do feel rather bad for playing my part so well, and I want to assure some of the various Martian nations that Valinon's "change" is not permanent. It's just the pendulum of Valinor politics swinging again.

OOC: I'd rather see him worrying now.

Gustav and the Raumreich in general is a sandbox in the nationstates playground - they are free to build their own little castles but they do not seem to realize that sitting over on the monkeybars are a group of older kids who have been on the playground a lot longer. Right now none of them feel the need to go kick over the sandcastle - but if the kids in the sandbox try to push around the kids on the monkey bars they will find their castle flattened.

OOC: Speaking as one of the kids on the monkey bars, I can second Sunset's statement.

OOC: Speaking as one of the kids on the monkey bars, I can second Sunset's statement.

Did you get my second TG? I'm not sure if it went through.

i feel like the kid outside the sandbox in the gravel with broken red plastic shovel only able to make berms...

Vernii: You'll have to send it again, I only got your first telegram. I sent you a second one... if your second was in reply to that, I haven't received it.

i feel like the kid outside the sandbox in the gravel with broken red plastic shovel only able to make berms...

*Hands Wick metal shovel to beat up on the monkey bar kids with*

TG resent.

Thanks Vern ill only beat them with the metal shovel if they try and kick over my rock pile... but u know those big monky bars kids they have supersoakers i bet!

OOC: No - but we did sneak cigarettes into school. You want one?

OOC: Hey, I have a super soaker. And some weed. :D

u got to be whacky to smoke tobaccy

OOC: I agree - I don't smoke myself, and the smell makes me want to spray the smoker with a supersoaker filled with gasoline. Context joke you know...

Im like the little kid who's big brother is in the Monkey Bars gang...*smokes a cigarette, coughs!*

For those of you that are angry with Gustav II, please feel free to. That is the reason this last few events in the RP went the way they did, to reveal just how far things have changed in Valinon since Emperor Gustav I (the man who was Emperor when Valinon 'came' to Mars, and Gustav II's grandfather) died.
The Valinor have changed alot since the golden age launched at the end of the Outer Dominion Wars. They have become decadent, secure in their power, and above all else the Valinor generation coming of age now is arrogant as hell. As Falasmayon put it once in one of our OOC discussions of our nations:

"The Valinor: rich, old, powerful, and what's worse they know it."

The coming power in the Congress of Lords are the Centrists, and they are tired of the dancing around with an "informal" empire and are quite ready to give the charade up in return for a "formal" empire. As the Centrist come to power, they are gaining it at the expense of the two older groups that have traditionally moderated imperial power. First are the now declining Crown Loyalists and second is the stable, if stagnating, United Guildsmen made up of the nobles that dominate the United Guilds of Valinon's upper echelons.
What you will see in immediate future of Valinon is an era where Gustav II has mastered control of his own nation and most of the Raumreich. But, let us say that in the not so distant future things will not go according to Gustav II's plans. There will be changes in the Hegemony, and Gustav II will loose his Ortagan lackeys, and several of Valinon's Raumreich allies will realize that maybe the man who sits on the Throne of the Twin Suns may not be the best person to ally themselves with.
So in the future, please note that you will all get the pleasure of seeing Gustav II have to worry at night. Right now he's just reaping a few benefits.
I'm posting this because OOCly I do feel rather bad for playing my part so well, and I want to assure some of the various Martian nations that Valinon's "change" is not permanent. It's just the pendulum of Valinor politics swinging again.


NO! I think it is great. I too try to change the direction my nation goes in depending upon my characters, and my characters change with their interaction with others in NS. Hense the current political instability and reorganizing in Wazzu.

It doesn't matter if your characters are good or evil, sane or psychotic, strong or weak. It matters that they have personality and help shape their nation and the world.

I'm actually half dissapointed that you told us all that...and half gratified to read such good work! :)


OOC: I'd rather see him worrying now.

Gustav and the Raumreich in general is a sandbox in the nationstates playground - they are free to build their own little castles but they do not seem to realize that sitting over on the monkeybars are a group of older kids who have been on the playground a lot longer. Right now none of them feel the need to go kick over the sandcastle - but if the kids in the sandbox try to push around the kids on the monkey bars they will find their castle flattened.

I guess that makes me the loner nerd in the corner just shy of snapping and doing something rather...rash. :)

Thanks Vern ill only beat them with the metal shovel if they try and kick over my rock pile... but u know those big monky bars kids they have supersoakers i bet!

My supersoaker is filled with butane and has an electric BBQ lighter duct taped to the side of the barrel and slaved to the 'soakers trigger :twisted:

OOC: Hey, I have a super soaker. And some weed. :D

OCC: OMG! A super soaker in school ! OMG WTF CALL THE SWAT TEAM!!!!!

Wazzu, I guess I'd be the sort of middle kid off poking around in odd corners of the playground and building up stashes, occasionally coming out to break up fights or give lollypops.

hmm are we talking Tootsie pops here or charms blowpop LRR?

Due to personal problems and some other matters of inconvenience I will be unable to access NationStates in any regular format for the next month in the least. Regretfully, this means I will not be participating in the Raumreich War for OOC reasons and I would like to offer a proposition:

1.) We pause the IC RPing of the war and try to figure out some form of summary that way the other members of the RP may continue on about their game play without my present.

2.) This summer will be taken as the end result of the war, and I will make due concessions since the fault is my own. In particular, Wick, my death toll in Thetis will be larger since we won't RP out the battle itself immediately. As for Vernii, this means that Valinon will be more successful at restraining the Ortagans than they otherwise might have been.

Now, onto other matters. First, I am greatly disappointed in the members of the Martian community, and several other older players that have come into this agenda. Despite the fact that you speak of "free form roleplaying" and espouse equality, your tones regarding the Raumreich seem overly judgemental and harsh. I feel that I can be secure in saying that many of the Raumreich roleplayers have a deep love for history, and this shades our roleplaying greatly. We have locked ourselves into a nineteenth century in space, and instead of being approved for our efforts at pulling it off we are often critiziced. I find this disguisting, and it makes me regret coming back to NationStates. Oh, and one more thing addressed to a very specific member of this charade.



OOC: Speaking as one of the kids on the monkey bars, I can second Sunset's statement.

Menelmacar, please be silent. I started NS with "Ortaga" at the time you and Melkor were getting off your feet, and I watched you all until I quit the game for a brief stint (due to moving). It was my firm hope that upon watching you and Melkor's early storylines you would become more than simple "I am elder nation therefore respect me" groupies. I also find such attitude from such a highly place member of the NS community discouraging in regards to the future of this game.

Your recent OOC actions that Valinon has shared with me are equally discouraging, and at first I found them hard to believe. He has shown considerably more restraint in the matter than I would have, and I applaud him for it. My response would have been more harshly worded if you broached such a subject with me when I had done nothing to bother you in the running of affairs in your nation. I hope that in the future you will take a path of better judgement instead of trying to monopolize an excellent piece of literature on NS for your own purposes. I do not think the author of these said pieces of literature would appreciate your actions in the slightest.

In the mean time, I say good-bye to you all for the moment. And I would request that my statements here not affect the other members of the Raumreich, as they are completely my own opinions, shared by my own violition.

Au revior,
Aaron the Ortagan

Damn u Ortaga...things were just starting to get good...That said i havent had as much fun on NS as i had then with this war...I think that is mainly due to the quality of the RP that you are able to write and that with time i could hope to match.

Every region needs thier "Bad Guy", well check ur TG im sending u one before night is out need some details on stuff

Hurry Back the WIckians want to play!

Ortaga, I have been quite pleased with the quality of your RP thus far and look forward to our future role playing...as we both know there isn't enough room in the inter-solar sand box for two nations like ours. I also find myself fascinated with the late 19th, early 20th century era of politics, as I read www.firstworldwar.com daily. This so far has been the best Role play Ive been involved in...everything I could have ever wanted from a science fiction storyline.

You may have noticed my use of unrestricted Submarine warfare...

So... We are not allowed to be judgemental of the actions of a nation if their values conflict with our own? Perhaps you are referring to my comment here about the Raumreich being a sandbox in a larger playground. I assure you that statement had both an IC and an OOC aspect. IC'ly many of the nations (since not all are Martian or even Sol based) find the actions of the nations in the Raumreich backward and destructive - and they are allowed this opinion no matter what era the nations of the Raumreich try to emulate.

The OOC aspect of that statement has already been discussed with Valinon and I will not discuss it here. Suffice to say that while I have enjoyed the writing ability and story aspects of this RP, it has been colored and lessened by breaches of what is normally understood to be roleplay ettiquete.

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On to the important bits. I am not abject to a written ending for the whole affair. While our part was ultimately small I would request that we be shown and approve of this story before it is published.

i hope that we still RP this out For the Battle of Gegor there are a lot more principle players then there was in the Invasion of Thetis Im sure Ortaga can allow Val control of his ships or something. This thread is to good to just summerize

Ortaga, I hope you read this before you go.

I have been having a great time with this RP. For the most part, both the "bad guys" and the "good guys" (and the line isn't always clear, which makes it better) have, overall, done an outstanding job. The quality of the majority of posts is outstanding (which is rare) and I think that compared to most RPs, the transgressions on RP ettiquate have been less common and less sever.

POINT: A lot of RPs would have degraded into a flame fest by now.

I hope that whatever is going to keep you offline isn't a bad thing, and that you'll find a way to return soon.

Catch ya later!

-The Cardboard Avenger. :)

PS: Check your messages.

About taking RP liberties....

Certain...ongoings in Wazzu require the end of the (Vernii) Cosica Station battle. If nothing new happens before it becomes important (probably in 1-3 days, maybe as long as a week), I'll consider the station forfit (lack of defense). Unless of course you (Vernii) and I can come to an OOC agreement.

I recognize that time doesn't always allow a post and I'm not trying to be mean here or anything. I just want to get out the need for an at least interm conclusion so events in my nation don't have to stop.

I agree with Wazzu - no matter what minor problems occured I have enjoyed it. I just want to make sure everyone knows that I for one am not mad, upset, or more than mildy disturbed. Besides - at least there wasn't a 66km battleship involved.... *Points Wazzu to the Wood Fiber Product*

I agree with Wazzu - no matter what minor problems occured I have enjoyed it. I just want to make sure everyone knows that I for one am not mad, upset, or more than mildy disturbed. Besides - at least there wasn't a 66km battleship involved.... *Points Wazzu to the Wood Fiber Product*

Oh, I'm sure we can find some way to change that...

About taking RP liberties....

Certain...ongoings in Wazzu require the end of the (Vernii) Cosica Station battle. If nothing new happens before it becomes important (probably in 1-3 days, maybe as long as a week), I'll consider the station forfit (lack of defense). Unless of course you (Vernii) and I can come to an OOC agreement.

I recognize that time doesn't always allow a post and I'm not trying to be mean here or anything. I just want to get out the need for an at least interm conclusion so events in my nation don't have to stop.

I'll have a post for that tomorrow.

Tag, oh and I consider myself the spoiled rich kid who bought his own set of monkey bars.

Oh yes, and once again New ArAreBee has avoided any actual combat through procrastination and apathy. Go me!

And any comments you heard of me hating the Raumreich are purely from an IC view, we merely hate you for being pompous, and that whole 'undiplomatic' thing where you shoot innocent diplomats just doing there job. Also, we want your land and money, but that applies to everyone.

Now to retype that Gregor post that was destroyed by my PC freezing. Right when I was going to paste it too..

Indeed this RP has been a good one, I hope it is not just summed up as, assuming one or two things occur ICly The Council may extend it's involvement in a typical Eldar intervention style manner. (That is in an attempt to keep Mon-Keigh either a.) Killing each other or B.) Unstable on their home front, especially if they are given grounds to fear a power may potentially become a threat to them at a future date. One of the things that may spur them into involving themselves would be if a transcript of the Peace Conferance is made avaible and if what I think was said there was actually said there and not elsewhere. (obviously if a transcript is avaible I will have to check this then.) So obviously I'd prefer if matters continued when they can rather than a sum up but either way this has been so far an excellent RP.

Indeed this RP has been a good one, I hope it is not just summed up as, assuming one or two things occur ICly The Council may extend it's involvement in a typical Eldar intervention style manner. (That is in an attempt to keep Mon-Keigh either a.) Killing each other or B.) Unstable on their home front, especially if they are given grounds to fear a power may potentially become a threat to them at a future date. One of the things that may spur them into involving themselves would be if a transcript of the Peace Conferance is made avaible and if what I think was said there was actually said there and not elsewhere. (obviously if a transcript is avaible I will have to check this then.) So obviously I'd prefer if matters continued when they can rather than a sum up but either way this has been so far an excellent RP.

Well, I'm definitely not going to let it just be summed up, it is dealing with the battle for my capital system after all. Either the RP will be paused for a month until Ortaga gets back, or we'll continue without him, although that would be a major loss I think, because I love his posts.

Tor...I hate you more than anything Ive know! ICly that is...lets keep things that way.

Vernii, I understand where you're coming from, this smug bastard here has tried to wipe my nation off of the Martian surface for years...You'll have an ally in Auman in the future, keep in touch. Especially with those Eldar scum involved. :P

An entire month UGh i hate that damn ortagan....gerrrr
*Bangs metal shovel into the gravel repeatably....smash smash smash

Since LRR doesn't, militarily, have a home front (the fleet and a good 57% of the population is spread throughout the galaxy), there's not much to weaken.

:)

If you were to attack me on earth, you would come up against a huge defensive force optimized for ground combat with thousands of defensive fortifications and anti-orbital cannons. But much of the equipment would be heavily modernized modern (or past) tech stuff.

*Ponders his plac at the monkey bars... decides he occasionally is on them occasionary is not...*

Farewell, Ortaga. I suppose I could stand waiting for a month. I'm going to make one last post, though...

Since LRR doesn't, militarily, have a home front (the fleet and a good 57% of the population is spread throughout the galaxy), there's not much to weaken.

:)

If you were to attack me on earth, you would come up against a huge defensive force optimized for ground combat with thousands of defensive fortifications and anti-orbital cannons. But much of the equipment would be heavily modernized modern (or past) tech stuff.

Anti-Orbital Cannon's aren't really to be worried about...if one took the time to deploy sufficient troops on the surface before hand ;)

hey the battle is on coolbeans cant wait to kill more Ortagans. well guess they are Valinon controled Ortagans or Valgans.....get it, i thought it was funny

Due to personal problems and some other matters of inconvenience I will be unable to access NationStates in any regular format for the next month in the least. Regretfully, this means I will not be participating in the Raumreich War for OOC reasons and I would like to offer a proposition:

1.) We pause the IC RPing of the war and try to figure out some form of summary that way the other members of the RP may continue on about their game play without my present.

2.) This summer will be taken as the end result of the war, and I will make due concessions since the fault is my own. In particular, Wick, my death toll in Thetis will be larger since we won't RP out the battle itself immediately. As for Vernii, this means that Valinon will be more successful at restraining the Ortagans than they otherwise might have been.

Now, onto other matters. First, I am greatly disappointed in the members of the Martian community, and several other older players that have come into this agenda. Despite the fact that you speak of "free form roleplaying" and espouse equality, your tones regarding the Raumreich seem overly judgemental and harsh. I feel that I can be secure in saying that many of the Raumreich roleplayers have a deep love for history, and this shades our roleplaying greatly. We have locked ourselves into a nineteenth century in space, and instead of being approved for our efforts at pulling it off we are often critiziced. I find this disguisting, and it makes me regret coming back to NationStates. Oh, and one more thing addressed to a very specific member of this charade.





Menelmacar, please be silent. I started NS with "Ortaga" at the time you and Melkor were getting off your feet, and I watched you all until I quit the game for a brief stint (due to moving). It was my firm hope that upon watching you and Melkor's early storylines you would become more than simple "I am elder nation therefore respect me" groupies. I also find such attitude from such a highly place member of the NS community discouraging in regards to the future of this game.

Your recent OOC actions that Valinon has shared with me are equally discouraging, and at first I found them hard to believe. He has shown considerably more restraint in the matter than I would have, and I applaud him for it. My response would have been more harshly worded if you broached such a subject with me when I had done nothing to bother you in the running of affairs in your nation. I hope that in the future you will take a path of better judgement instead of trying to monopolize an excellent piece of literature on NS for your own purposes. I do not think the author of these said pieces of literature would appreciate your actions in the slightest.

In the mean time, I say good-bye to you all for the moment. And I would request that my statements here not affect the other members of the Raumreich, as they are completely my own opinions, shared by my own violition.

Au revior,
Aaron the Ortagan
Well, here's what I've got to say to this.

For one thing, you seem to have completely lost the point of the sandbox analogy. The whole point of it is the idea that ICly Valinon et. al. seem to have this idea in their head that the Raumreich is vastly more important in the greater scheme of the galactic stage than it actually is. This belief, whether held OOCly or ICly, has caused the Valinonian leadership, and probably those of other nations as well, to rather vastly miscalculate threats to their power. The Menelmacari agenda, of course, was and still is a rather large wrench thrown into those machinations, even though my dealings with Vernii (very much IC as much as OOC) didn't pan out. If Valinon wants to be less 'restrained' in his response, I welcome the challenge.

In general, I find it somewhat disturbing that you expect the rest of us to restrain ourselves ICly from interfering in the backwards and dangerous conflicts in a remote sector when our own nations would do precisely the opposite, ICly. It's very much a double standard - if you want to play the nineteenth century in space, don't be surprised when other nations from outside the sector get involved. Think of it from our point of view - from outside the sector we see dangerously expansionist Valinonian and Ortagan governments swallowing up world after world. ICly it would be downright stupid for the rest of us not to get involved before things get out of hand.

From your end, battle plans rarely survive contact with the enemy - or the arrival of new enemies (or new friends, for that matter). Please don't whine about it OOCly when your original carefully-laid plans become unworkable due to new players on the board. Adapt, rearrange priorities, even scrap the original plan if necessary, or just go at things from another angle. Geopolitics, even in space, are a constantly changing game - the status quo one day may be unrecognizably changed by the next. Success comes from the ability to adapt to changing circumstances. If you don't want changing circumstances, then label the thread "Closed RP" and make it Raumreich-only... but at this stage of a very open thread, you've got hardly any right to whine about the Noldor taking interest in sector events.

For another thing, you've also completely misunderstood my statement, probably as a result of your misunderstanding of the sandbox analogy in general. The 'big kids' comparison has less to do with the OOC time since nation founding than it does with general strength of nations outside the Raumreich. Menelmacar is a powerful influence both in Sol and beyond, it's that simple. Whether you or any other Raumreicher had a previous nation is irrelevant, as is the time when that nation was founded. Russian Forces has been around forever - but that doesn't make him a 'big kid' either. Likewise, if you look around a bit you'll find that there are plenty of younger nations that have found their way onto those monkey bars, through consistent quality RP and an effort not to utterly wank.

That said, best of luck with your personal problems and whatever, and I hope you return soon.

Well, here's what I've got to say to this.

For one thing, you seem to have completely lost the point of the sandbox analogy. The whole point of it is the idea that ICly Valinon et. al. seem to have this idea in their head that the Raumreich is vastly more important in the greater scheme of the galactic stage than it actually is. This belief, whether held OOCly or ICly, has caused the Valinonian leadership, and probably those of other nations as well, to rather vastly miscalculate threats to their power. The Menelmacari agenda, of course, was and still is a rather large wrench thrown into those machinations, even though my dealings with Vernii (very much IC as much as OOC) didn't pan out. If Valinon wants to be less 'restrained' in his response, I welcome the challenge.

In general, I find it somewhat disturbing that you expect the rest of us to restrain ourselves ICly from interfering in the backwards and dangerous conflicts in a remote sector when our own nations would do precisely the opposite, ICly. It's very much a double standard - if you want to play the nineteenth century in space, don't be surprised when other nations from outside the sector get involved. Think of it from our point of view - from outside the sector we see dangerously expansionist Valinonian and Ortagan governments swallowing up world after world. ICly it would be downright stupid for the rest of us not to get involved before things get out of hand.

From your end, battle plans rarely survive contact with the enemy - or the arrival of new enemies (or new friends, for that matter). Please don't whine about it OOCly when your original carefully-laid plans become unworkable due to new players on the board. Adapt, rearrange priorities, even scrap the original plan if necessary, or just go at things from another angle. Geopolitics, even in space, are a constantly changing game - the status quo one day may be unrecognizably changed by the next. Success comes from the ability to adapt to changing circumstances. If you don't want changing circumstances, then label the thread "Closed RP" and make it Raumreich-only... but at this stage of a very open thread, you've got hardly any right to whine about the Noldor taking interest in sector events.

For another thing, you've also completely misunderstood my statement, probably as a result of your misunderstanding of the sandbox analogy in general. The 'big kids' comparison has less to do with the OOC time since nation founding than it does with general strength of nations outside the Raumreich. Menelmacar is a powerful influence both in Sol and beyond, it's that simple. Whether you or any other Raumreicher had a previous nation is irrelevant, as is the time when that nation was founded. Russian Forces has been around forever - but that doesn't make him a 'big kid' either. Likewise, if you look around a bit you'll find that there are plenty of younger nations that have found their way onto those monkey bars, through consistent quality RP and an effort not to utterly wank.

That said, best of luck with your personal problems and whatever, and I hope you return soon.

Siri, I hate to be the one to point this out, but I do believe Ortega was speaking solely of OOC matters.

Besides the fact that this is an OOC thread, and that his characters have not acted these thoughts ICly, there is the fact that he specifically mentioned OOC matters in regards to you.

Please don't misinterpret this OOC rant about OOC dealings as being about IC actions.

As for the rest of us (OOCly remember), it looks like we all forgave him (and asked his forgiveness) in a missunderstanding. We've actually enjoyed this RP very much. I hope you can either find the heart to do likewise, or leave it be. Please don't kill this RP with a flamewar (I'd ask the same of Ortega but he isn't present to flame back...and said he won't be for a month),

-Wazzu's player

PS: If you absolutely MUST persist in an OOC debate, please keep it off the boards so-as not to kill this. Too many of us (your friends and foes OOCly included) are enjoying it.

Pax, Pax! *Looks at the dangerous combination of Siri and Wazzu...* Absolutely Pax... Let's just leave this one be, ok? Everyone's stated their opinion and perhaps just once is enough.

Pax, Pax! *Looks at the dangerous combination of Siri and Wazzu...* Absolutely Pax... Let's just leave this one be, ok? Everyone's stated their opinion and perhaps just once is enough.

/me is so paxed.

Hey, what is "pax" anyway?

OK, I won't touch the subject again, even if someone else gets the last word. *shudder* You know how I like that last word. :) I guess thats what is forcing this out of my...fingers.

Anyway, no insult intended.

/me tries to leave it alone...goes into epaleptic fit.

"Pax" is Latin for "Peace".*

*PH33R my 31337 Latin knowledge!**

**OK, I don't really know that much Latin. But I know some...

So, it looks like MIDAS will be leaving fleet assets to assist in the attack afterall, eh?

Now I just need Vernii's go-ahead to deploy, and, of course, the disposition and composition of the remaining MIDAS combatants. Always nice to know exactly what you're shooting at ;)

So, it looks like MIDAS will be leaving fleet assets to assist in the attack afterall, eh?

Now I just need Vernii's go-ahead to deploy, and, of course, the disposition and composition of the remaining MIDAS combatants. Always nice to know exactly what you're shooting at ;)

As Sunset said in his post, he was just leaving it open.

I think he saw that the thread was stagnating, that no one was replying, and he wanted to give it a boost.

As far as Wazzu goes...Wazzu doesn't really have any ships that can make the voyage on their own, and has never put any ships through that particular FTL gate. Besides which, it is in too much of a hussle with itself to do anything outside Sol at the moment.

The only Wazzuian who was there was a diplomat moved there by a Sunset ship.

You'll have to find out from each individual MIDAS member if they are fighting, and if so, with what.

Siri, I hate to be the one to point this out, but I do believe Ortega was speaking solely of OOC matters.

Besides the fact that this is an OOC thread, and that his characters have not acted these thoughts ICly, there is the fact that he specifically mentioned OOC matters in regards to you.

Please don't misinterpret this OOC rant about OOC dealings as being about IC actions.
I'm not, hon. My point was that he misinterprets my IC actions in this story arc as being OOC 'dealings'. Aside from the sandbox comments, I haven't done anything OOC in this war.

Anyway, that was just to clarify my statement. The thread still has a useful purpose, so I'll leave it open unless/until problems develop.

Hey all and good sunday morn to ya. Im drinking th most devine cup/gallon of cinnminnon hazlenut nut coffee and feel espically chipper this mouring.

Got some questions and comments for yall to ponder,

1) Comment: This thread well the whole war is what i think is a way for Vern and Val to have a go at it lol forrest and harris mono eh mono. As such my fleet assets in the Gregor system will be targeting the Ortaga fleet and not the Valinor, because well we not even at war with the valinon.

2) my job in killing every ortaga i see will be harder as Vern's FTLi blocks wormhole usage so i cant bring the survivors of my homefleet through, yes there were survivinors in the epic battle with ortaga. Hey i "won" that one.
lot of bad blood between my nation and the Ortagan Hegemony incase yall couldnt tell. And i cant send my fleet to grego in hyper either it would take more then a month for it to arrive travel time in hyper would be over a month its about 400 light years away.

3) ill be posting about it in a seperate thread but my nation suffered greatly in our battle agansit the Solar Navy. Basicly Behemoth was pludged into my captial city (really my only city) on thetis and that about a Billion killed. THe commonwealth navy suffered 600,000 dead quater of that wounded. Singularity weapons do not leave many wounded.

4) SO...if any of you leaving gregor please stop by Thetis its less then a half day travel through the wormhole system, could use the aid , making a thread for that if anyone intressted.

5) Question: Has anyone even heard of my nation before this battle/campian AND/OR after words, i want to get my name out in the future tech RPing world. PLEASE send any comments about my style in a TG i like constructive critisim about how to better my RPing and nation all together.

6:Comment- I know if u check mine and ortaga's thread its not finished as i hope to do that when he returns. A big gap from the point our battle was at the the conclusion he and i came up with before he left.

Wazzu Fleet Movements in Sol System, in order of closest to furthest.

LT Johnson's Assault Group, Corsica Station
-8 Transports and 3 fighters remain about 100 meters off Corsica Station.
-4 Fighters are moving back towards the station
-1 Fighter is dust (self destruct)
-2 Additional fighters are moving away from the planet at rapid speed (and a civilian clippere is moving to pick them up)


LT Johnson's Reserve, Townsley Mining Station, Juipiter Orbit
-6 Gunboats remain here waiting to intercept incomming parties...are NOT currently moving to intercept incomming parties.


General Marie Walsh, Decelerating towards Corsica's Jovian orbit
-2 Freighters of Wazzu's GROPO (Marine Landing) unit
-1 Freighter of Wazzu's RIRG (Rapid Interplanetary Response Group), under seperate command but moving with Walsh's freighters
NOTE: These are CIVILIAN freighters converted for military transport. They are not particularly fast or well armed.


Admiral Jane West,
Between the belt and Jupiter, West's little undermanned gunboat is moving like a bat-out-of-hell towards Corsica Station...though that is still far slower then the Valinon fleet (and secretly, then the actual maximum speed of the craft).


Commodore Feff, Fleet assembling on route from Earth
-4 Defender Frigates
-9 Knight Frigates
-8 Comet Corvettes
-1 Aide Medical Frigate
-3 Crafter Replenishment Ships
NOTE: These ships are assembling as they move, so they are moving slow. On the assumption that Earth is currently closer to Jupiter in it's orbit then Mars is, Feff's ships will still reach Jupiter AFTER Commodore Tully's group (which can move faster). Both fleets will take a while to arrive.


Commodore Tully's Fleet, Moving from Mars to Jupiter at a fairly good acceleration (still not past the asteroid belt).
-2 Archer Destroyers
-4 Defender Frigates
-4 Knight Frigates
-6 Comet Corvettes
-2 Firestar Escort Carriers
-1 Supertanker
-1 Superfreighter
-2 Crafter Replenishment ships
-2 Aide Medical Frigates
-1 Communications Ship (Converted Civilian FTL Clipper)
NOTE: This group was assembled earlier in case Wazzu was to take part in the Gregor system...this small fleet was made to compete with all the huge fleets fighting around distant stars...if they could get transport through some kind of FTL network that is. Only the communications ship/clipper has it's own FTL drive.

Overall, these few (and small, the Knights being the largest ships at only 315 meters long...larger then the destroyers) ships represent the bulk of the Wazzu space forces able to make interplanetary flights. Those not represented include:
-1 to 2 dozen Interplanetary ships still escorting merchant convoys.
-The few (comparitively weak) Wazzu combat ships able to make FTL flights (redesigned rather then refitted/modified civilian craft).
-11 "gravships", more limited monitors then their forign counterparts meant to take action only around planets (barely capible of in-system interplanetary flight, and certainly not to Jupiter).
-Various gunboats, fighters, and satelites based at planets and stations.
-Wazzu's version of Ramships (still built partly in concert with Sunset)

I wanted to emphesize how important this whole thing is to the Dominion of Wazzu (under the new constitution, the largest by far of 4 protectorates that make up Wazzu...the other 3 will stay uninvolved).


EDIT: Note also that these fleet movements have a lot more to do with internal Wazzu politics then of foreigners fighting around distant stars.

EDIT2: Quicklinks
Traitor: Wazzu Political Strife (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=346411)
Murder, Death, Discord. (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=344744)
And the Stars Themselves Wept (The Fall of Gregor, and the Age of the Valinor) (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=6733445)
Invasion of Thetis/Operation Defiance (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=334940&page=6)

Just for the record, the LRRSF operates science stations at all the major planets beyond Mars. These outposts are generally unarmed and equipped with a stretched corvette which can accomodate a short-jump hyperspace drive.

There are also 25 Spencer Davis class utility frigates in the system, the only ships much larger than the Varlawn tactical bomber on earth, excluding five light cruisers.

The Sgt. Pepper light cruiser is currently near jupiter, and the other four are assisting in cleanup operations from the Auman WMD strike.

Just for the record, the LRRSF operates science stations at all the major planets beyond Mars. These outposts are generally unarmed and equipped with a stretched corvette which can accomodate a short-jump hyperspace drive.
Ya do, eh?

-- The Hearty Aerospace Pirate Cap'n

Ya do, eh?

-- The Hearty Aerospace Pirate Cap'n

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/me smacks LRR

**!!SMACK!!**

Saturn is Yut territory, and Menelmacar has a near stranglehold on Venus.

Thankee, Wazzu.

Oh, and ahhh...

From another thread...

The Sgt. Pepper inches towards SOX-J-1, waiting to be noticed.

Passing the giant fleets, it dispatches a small corvette to the station, which lands on the icy surface of the small moon, carrying provisions and spare parts.

The Wazzu "fleets" (why I used the quotes there) are pretty small. The one that was meant to fight in the Gregor system had only 35 ships, fewer then 30 were combat ships, and the other "large" one developing has fewer still. Not exactly massive....

Edit: The Valinon fleet wasn't very big either iirc, but his is only a task force (and still larger then the Wazzu fleets).

Edit2: What happened to Vernii? This is all comming to a head. If he doesn't respond soon it could drag down the RP.

saw himearlier today but he ran off...hasnt posed much this weekend he must be busy or something ya no?

Although Wazzu in this case your right and I am up to something. Khaines fleet actually spends very little time in Sol. It's tasked usually to the Webway as a Rapid reaction/Expeditionary force. Asuryan Fleet is based in Sol, Khaines only comes to Sol during major operations.

So in this case you've made the right the guess OOC, but... The evidence may not be what you think it was. Up to you.

((Basic Layout of my Fleets for future referance.))

I have the following fleets definitions and Roles
Asuryan:- Sol defence and patrol fleet. Used to keep a permanment presence in the Sol sector. Contians Two seperate Fleet Elements each of Thirty vessels, Each Element consists of one flagship, Four Carriers, Ten Smaller Attack Ships, 15 Screening elements

Sol Operations Prime Concern.

Khanies:- Four Seperate Fleet Elements similar make up to Suryan above.
Rapid response and expeditionary forces.

Ishar Fleet

One Fleet Element. Normal Make up as above. Role Craftworld defence.

Vauls Fleet:- 1 Flagship 8 Carriers 5 Attack Craft 10 Screening vessels.
Not a true fleet used in the search for the Blackstone fortresses. Carries large number of science and scanning vessel in it's carriers, cutting back on the Military vessels avaible to it.

Ships Used

Coming later, since it seems likely I will be getting involved in the shooting match ;)

Actually, that was an IC guess of my characters. OOCly I thought you were really simply just leaving, which would mean I thought my characters were wrong. I guess they still were.

It is just the fear of your fleets poping up nearby that pushed a few small ships into action (no one else in the Dominion of Wazzu is in a position to do so).

Hey, how was I supposed to know?

As for fleets...at least bigger than the small EDF's ranks.

I'm sorry, I've been busy this weekend and maybe a bit next week as well. School's starting soon and I'm trying to cram as much stuff in as possible.

Hay these things happen... besides I thought events where on hold till Ortega was able to return or has that situation altered?

Edit This is TY, I forgot I'd changed account since this is an OOC thread I won't correct the mistake.

I'm sorry, I've been busy this weekend and maybe a bit next week as well. School's starting soon and I'm trying to cram as much stuff in as possible.

Hell, my school starts Thursday (don't ask why, I don't know, just...Thursday), and gets really really busy two weeks from then.

But, OK, I'll try and play along.

So, is anyone going to be RPing any remaining MIDAS forces in Gregor? If not, I won't bother deploying; Vernii insisted that I only engage those nations.

Well, unless things go south for him and he calls for aid; my squadren is sitting nearby in the void between stars.

Well here goes, why the Khaine's fleet was withdrawn from Earth...
What the Council plans have led to... Valinon Please check here.
an aggresive message (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=347623)

*rubs temples*No more combat RPs, none not right now. Catch back at me when the Battle of Gregor is done. Until then I'm taking no more on. Also, Tor, your being ignorant about the Valinor, and you really have no excuse. The Valinor do not attack openly us they, or their interests, are attacked first. Your doing nothing but marking yourself with the biggest target mark in Valinor foreign affairs if you pull this off, and coming to Alpha Centauri is a fool's errand. You do this, the Valinor will make the war with Vernii look like a children's plaything.

You fail to realize Valinon, Tor Yvresse constantly paints himself as the largest target...he's a meddling bastard, its what he does.

Firstly, I'm not really willing to wait, as this attack is being launched during the Gregor Campaign. For that very obvious reason. It's an attempt to hit you at your weakest.

Secondly, You can at a later date seek revenge... If you wish. If you think you can convince your population of that, fair enough. Of course all it'll mean is the Kionash do the exact same thing AGAIN. Even should you attack Tor Yvresse-Mars we will simply return to your Capital system, and believe me, when I finish their won't be much will to fight us. I can be quite vicious. As Auman points out the Kionash believe themselves to be a Target for most people, Paranoia is a healthy obsession for this people. Anyway thats all I'm going to say on the matter.

Tor, he only has a task force in my system. Trust me, Alpha-Centauri isn't weak. There's a very very good reason why my navy has never attacked it, and that's because the system defenses alone would give it a lot of trouble, not to mention the Armada. Then there's Vaku, Ortagan, and Falas forces that would come to reinforce it.

Vernii not in the time he has he dosn't have any allies close enough. It'll take what a day or two to send for help, another day or two for that help to arrive...

By which time I will have gone...

Alpha Centuri is home to Valinon, New Ortaga, and Falasmayon. I don't think they'd react too well to an incursion into their impossibly defended home system.

No it won't. Alpha-Centauri is connected to: the Vaku capital system, Archangel (Falasmayon's capital) which connects in turn to Immolan, an Ortagan system. There's also a connection to Yalta, and Yalta connects to Axis, a major Ortagan naval base. They can bring reinforcements through pretty damn quick. Plus with Nu-space coms the entire region can be updated in real-time about the battle. Frankly, I don't think Valinon will *need* reinforcements, because you apparently severely underestimated Alpha Centauri's defenses.

Vernii Heh dosn't really matter for what I have planned... rember the Vessels that havn't been seen yet? It'll make what auman did to LRR look like a bonfire...

It's a one word attack... and the word begins with an E and ends with an us

The Kionash are Barstools, real total and utter, consider you Humans to be worthless animals, our actions even in helping LRR served our own purposes so will this. I am sending a message. As for their links elsewhere, I was under the impression that Wormhole had been used recently to transport a Fleet? If so it's down at the moment if your using Honorverse Tech it'll be down for some time, ref Why the final strike to take the Only junction held by The Peoples Rebublic was seen as such a gamble if it went wrong the fleet was trapped in enenmy territory.

If you think I underestimate Alpha Centauri that is because you are under estimating the Khaine's Fleet. A Slow Species from where I got this from attacks with it's capital ships at .75C We are the race that emphasis Speed... And as for Firepower... You'll see. This is not going to be pretty. ((Is a Barstool Is supposed to be a Barstool, and yet this will be my first act of Genocide... It's good to be bad.))

he he I hate ortagans the most out of anything that exists in the raumreich, the thing i hate second most is outsiders interfering in our business...Valinor and Thetis may have mildy cautious relations but in this he will have my support, but wont need it...gl i guess

Last note my recent post will be my last till Valinon responds, however please note Valinon, that I do not accept Pop-Wanking. If you hold off on responses till after the Gregor Star Incident, It will be ICly at Gregor star. However unless the other nations that make up your 10Billion Pop are played by seperate players I will only accept the population of your largest single Nation.

In theory I could have started 1/2 Dozen nations and include all their Pops I didn't. I Only include the population of Tor Yvresse itself in my population. TY-M is frozen at 700 Million until TY reaches 3 Billion then I will slowly raise TY-M's popualtion to a Billion, which will be a part of my overall 3Billion population not an addition to it. EG TY has a total population 3 Billion TY-M 1 Billion. 2 billion therefore are on the Craftworld 1 Billion on Mars. Thats it really thats the population I will be basing my interpretation of your responses on.

Also further note that I am operating TY at near max Power Levels here. In the great Floating game of power output as practiced by me, to fit into peoples own preferred settings, I see Honorverse as being quite powerful. How it will stand up to the Kionash remains to be seen.

1.) Valinon has less resources at its disposal than Tor Yvresse.
2.) Tor Yvresse wouldn't be around long enough for reinforcements to respond.
3.) Tor Yvresse could smash Valinon flat if it had the will to do so.

Valinon has only a thriving economy. Your economy determines the flow of resources through ones nation. One with a frightening economy will be able to fight longer and harder, with more replenishment for his forces than one with a Thriving economy. If Tor Yvresse puts up a poor role play with many mistakes than thats the only way I see him losing.

That is your typical stat-wank...but, like any role playing game, stats are important.

well Val is only human, he can only post so much a day what is exactly wrong with waiting untill one huge insainly timeconsuming thread is over untill he/we start another.

Vernii is right when he says there is a reason our "First Strike" was on Yalta then say AC. Its folloy to attack it, he has this thing called a little red button if less then oh five million gigton sized fusion missiles are shot at you i would be dissipointed, think it would be oh ten million at least...Btw he still has a large fleet in the system id estimate 25% to 40 % is deployed in the battle of gregor...LIke I say gl....

This is ignorant though the Valinor were going to become isolationists after this war, your target should have been the Ortagan Hegemony, they are the attack dogs destined to go after Sol...ignorant id think...talk to val's opponts in the oversector next time we can tell you who the real threats are bud...

Heh, I have a better economy than Valinon.

Here's some information on my fleet:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=347776

1.) Valinon has less resources at its disposal than Tor Yvresse.
2.) Tor Yvresse wouldn't be around long enough for reinforcements to respond.
3.) Tor Yvresse could smash Valinon flat if it had the will to do so.

Valinon has only a thriving economy. Your economy determines the flow of resources through ones nation. One with a frightening economy will be able to fight longer and harder, with more replenishment for his forces than one with a Thriving economy. If Tor Yvresse puts up a poor role play with many mistakes than thats the only way I see him losing.

That is your typical stat-wank...but, like any role playing game, stats are important.

He has the economy bug. As I said before, I doubt he'll even need reinforcements.

Tor Yvresse, I will put it to you plain. My school is starting, I'm having relationship problems out my ass, New Ortaga has dumped his military on me, and I'm still have to keep track of my own forces in the Battle of Gregor.
The Fatherland Defense Fleet and the Outer System Rim Patrol Force are more than capable of handling you forces. Not to mention that they are my new ships, not the older hardware that I've sent into the Raumreich. And besides the Alpha Centauri system is home to the Five Worlds, and I've thrown up more blood to claim the outer system than I'm going to let you just deal with...you want this fine you can contend with these accounts as well. I hate doing this, but if this is going to be the numbers game fine:

Valinon Pholus Colony
Valinon Proxima Colony
Valinon Nessus Colony
Valinon Outer Colonies

I'm so over these numbers games you all are playing, and I think it's time to start RPing the population I've assembled since the Outer Dominion Wars. Surely almost a century and a half is enough to regrow the losses from it, if not I don't care anymore.
I see now that I was wholly wrong for placing so much faith in the majority of the Martian nations. OOCly, Ortaga and Vernii urged me to take restraint and not allow any of you in. God damn my own personality for allowing you in OOCly because I thought I would have been making an ass of myself for holding you all off when Vernii attacked Mars. I see now that I should have listened to the resident sociopath and the numbers guy in my region instead of trying to take a higher road.
Besides, the other nations that make up the rest of the Valinor empire are played by another player. So you will just have to set back and take what I hand out if you go through with this. I've been nice, I've been polite, and by God I've put up with hell for being criticized for actions that aren't mine. And now your attacking me simply because I have not condemned Auman fast enough?
Excuse me for having a life. But by God, get ready to face everything from a singularity missile to the largest fusion warheads I can find. I've lost wars in my time, and I've taken them in stride, but I'm not taking this one at the moment. And if need be I will put Tor Yvresse on the ignore list permanently.

well Val is only human, he can only post so much a day what is exactly wrong with waiting untill one huge insainly timeconsuming thread is over untill he/we start another.

Vernii is right when he says there is a reason our "First Strike" was on Yalta then say AC. Its folloy to attack it, he has this thing called a little red button if less then oh five million gigton sized fusion missiles are shot at you i would be dissipointed, think it would be oh ten million at least...Btw he still has a large fleet in the system id estimate 25% to 40 % is deployed in the battle of gregor...LIke I say gl....

This is ignorant though the Valinor were going to become isolationists after this war, your target should have been the Ortagan Hegemony, they are the attack dogs destined to go after Sol...ignorant id think...talk to val's opponts in the oversector next time we can tell you who the real threats are bud...

One what IC evidence of this Isolationist plan for Valinon exists... as far as I know none, zilch, nada... I don't decide my actions based on OOC knowledge. He wants to become Isolationist Fine by me, but I cannot base my actions on this.

2.) Valinon I won't accept the Pop Wanking of other colonies, you have the Pop of your main nation thats it, Nothing else nothing more... In my time I have had Tor Yvresse, Tor Yvresse-Mars, New Tor Yvresse, Outcast Fleet. All these have been the same nation behind it. If I kept them alive and pulled them out of my arse, I'd outnumber your 10Billion from the various colonies. BUT they don't count, you know why, because they are the same player...

But I won't get into it... You have your methods I have mine... I've already stated that I am bringing my use of the Fluff up to almost the maximum, that phrase in my Sig is no Idle boast.

Oh and erm What economy Bug?

If the other colonies are played by another player that should be easy to discover, a quick check by the Mods or even just having them Telegram me, with assurances of this, then I will be happy to acknowledge them. I'm not trying to be awkward but thats my simple own rule in these matters.

Tor, attacking nations bent on genocide do NOT dictate terms of the RP.

Tor Yvresse, read my issues. I have no corporate regulations, I subsidize every industry I see, workers have no rights, and we have no minimum wage laws. The government uses every method it has to get the economy up and I've never gotten above thriving in my history....ever....I think there's something a little bit wrong with that, don't you?
IC evidence for this plan is the fact that after any war, Valinon has always gone isolationist. And besides, what has Valinon ever showed to Mars in the way of territorial interests in terms of war? Where is the IC basis for your attack? Valinon might meddle in Martian affairs, but a war on Mars? Not likely, we respect nations like Mangala, Sunset, Bajon, and New Arrabee (sp?) far too much to make actual "war" on Mars.
Besides, since when does the attacker get to set the terms of the battle? And what reason would you have to do this unless you know you have no basis for this in any reality?

Tor, attacking nations bent on genocide do NOT dictate terms of the RP.

Bent on genocide???? If that's the case the RGF will definately get involved. The maniacs...when will they ever learn that it is an utterly despicable act for which there is no excuse except insanity?

Hey, has anyone looked at my fleet? I think its pretty neat but I don't know what you guys think.

Here's a look at my newest ship type:

http://pictures.werkenbijdemarine.nl/gallerie/maritiem/marhist_powerp/MTB%2051.jpg

Tor Yvresse, read my issues. I have no corporate regulations, I subsidize every industry I see, workers have no rights, and we have no minimum wage laws. The government uses every method it has to get the economy up and I've never gotten above thriving in my history....ever....I think there's something a little bit wrong with that, don't you?
IC evidence for this plan is the fact that after any war, Valinon has always gone isolationist. And besides, what has Valinon ever showed to Mars in the way of territorial interests in terms of war? Where is the IC basis for your attack? Valinon might meddle in Martian affairs, but a war on Mars? Not likely, we respect nations like Mangala, Sunset, Bajon, and New Arrabee (sp?) far too much to make actual "war" on Mars.
Besides, since when does the attacker get to set the terms of the battle? And what reason would you have to do this unless you know you have no basis for this in any reality?

Valinon, in LRR workers have tons of rights, the environment is top class, and buisinesses are regulated to death...yet we still have a powerhouse economy. :)

Firstly My reasons... 'The Eldar are a Fickle race' They attack often with seemingly no reason, I've stated my reasons, we look upon you as an Aggresive expansionist power... Where giving you a kick in the teeth because we can. We loath you humans.

Want another reason, okay we loath you humans we see two of you fighting a war... guess what we want to extend the war because we like the idea of Mon-Keigh killing each other. Do you wish to know what Mon-Keigh means in Elderan, 'That which must be exterminated' We view you as a Plague on the Universe.

Oh and from IRC and Scolo's words on Economy Bug


There isn't an Economy bug as far as I know... Not a Middling economy bug at least theres a Top end and a bottom end (like Cetaganda) but not middling.

So there you go, if a Mod hasn't heard of this Bug me thinks it dosn't exist

And Tor, LRR's not human, we're robots here, or rather sentient mechanical life forms.

The Eldar are a fickle race, but I don't recall many of them going out of there way to make war on humans from my 40,000 days. No, Tor Yvresse, I've had as much as I can take right now. And I'm sick of being dictated to by people around me when I'm trying different styles of RPing from what I have been.
Excuse me for trying something new, but I'm going to anyway. And if this means I have to pull this, then so be it.
Valinon officially ignores the nation of Tor Yvresse starting here and now. We do not acknowledge the existence of it, or any of its dependents. Auman, I will apologize now for the next war between you and him when I do not help in any MIDAS action. If you wish you may bring full charges against me via that body.
And if there's not something wrong with my nation's economy. Explain why these same decisions have led to powerhouse, frightening level economies in my colonies?

Can I ask what you basing this ignore on exactly? As for not going out of their way...

My God's Man did you ever read any of the fluff... They attacked colonies for no reason, they destroy worlds because they are in their way... They demanded Populations leave worlds in an amount of time impossible for them to achieve...

Am I Goddmodding?

Am I cheating in any manner?

As far as I can see this ignore is based on my not using OOC information, my god's this may be the first Ignore for NOT Meta-Gaming.

Is it that you don't like my involvement, You say I'm setting terms, all I have done is state what most players here don't do, accept Pop Wanking the rest has been to state that I am upping my power levels to compensate for Honorverse, I stated that as far as I knew that Wormhole had been used recently. If I am wrong point me to how I was wrong, I'll be happy to acknowledge my mistake. I'll even call it a tactical miscalculation on the Kionash's part...

i do not think its so much as god modding or anything like that at all.

Ive read the post they are well written and good stuff.

Valinon is already fighting one one huge war, just give him a break for now untill he has the hours in the day to do this one, and do it justise instead of just posting lacking replys just to keep up with all the threads.

BTW the fleet that attacked Gregor have been sitting out of the system for a couple days any wormhole used to get to yalta would have be restablized by that time. Takes a day or so for a large fleet.

I stated earlier I'm willing to do that Wick, I just want it to be ICly acknowledged as happening at the same time as the Gregor war... Admitadly at first I was leary of the idea, because I really think events here could effect the Gregor war. But I can live with it, this however is a full Ignore not a time based one.

((Edit for clarification Well okay on my first response to his Not doing it now I was a little aggresive saying I Wanted to it now, but later I stated I would not post anymore till Valinon Responded. ))


And if there's not something wrong with my nation's economy. Explain why these same decisions have led to powerhouse, frightening level economies in my colonies?

Perhaps because of the amount of times you have had the issue, the larger the nation the harder to effect it will be. Perhaps because of other choices that have been made in other areas, their are quite a few economic issues, not just one or two... and many an issue effects it, have you made identical choices for all your Colonies and main nation?

Here is how I see it.

1) An RP between two players MUST be consentual. If one doesn't wan't to play, the other can't force him/her. TY can not force war on Valinon.

2) A respected player should honor another respected player's want to interact, or risk loosing respect. Valinon risks loosing OOC respect by completely ignoring TY or TY's attack.

3) A respected player should respect another respected player's OOC limits. TY should respect that Valinon doesn't have enough time to RP this now.

Now, as I see it, there is at least one solution. RP this later (after the Gregor war) but RP it as something that happened in the past (durring the Gregor war). Understand?

You can RP it later as if it was happening right now.

But if neither Valinon or TY can compromise, then they both risk loosing my respect, and I suspect the respect of many other players here.

Here is to hoping you two can stop spitting at each other and come to an accord.

-Wazzu's Player

I'm willing to work under that limit Wazzu, yes I'd have preferred it now, but if the time was off then so be. It makes things a little messier because it means I can't in actuality achieve one of the objectives of the strike, but ICly I still can in theory. If that makes sense.

(That is OOCly I cannot achieve one of the IC objectives but ICly I can.))

I shall give Tor Yvresse one, and one chance only, which is alot more than I have been given in this situation. I will be among the first to admit that this war has not been given my full attention, nor have any of my more recent threads because of several OOC time constraints being placed upon me. Due to this I have been unable to roleplay the background of this war (namely the fact that Valinon is coming to the realization that it needs time to take a breath before it does anything else, and also the internal political tensions rising from Gustav II taking such sweeping powers). These are factors which I have presented to the majority of the Raumreich players OOCly and said that it could be used as IC knowledge.
In general I am very approachable OOCly and present greater amounts of information when asked for it. And it seems, Tor, that your own posts are greatly lacking from knowledge of my own nation that should be known for even the most basic "intrusion" into Alpha Centauri. This is information I have shared in the past. Yes, that is correct, I give information away on my system's defenses if asked because I acredit some degree of ability to most nations intelligence capacity and that a system is large and even the Valinor with their skill at drones and AI coordination can't catch everything.
Also, Tor, are you coming in over Proxima Centauri I itself? If so, that's not a way to send a message, that's a way to start a war right off the bat with any space nation. How would Darvins and company feel if a Valinor fleet popped up right besides their craftworld? And how "easy" is that to accomplish?
And in final answer to your question, I handle all representative nations of the Valinor nation the same. In my mind they are one political unit, and so they are treated as such when I answer the issues.

If you 'Popped' out besides Tor Yvresse, and had role-played finding out it's location I'd be happy with that OOCly, to answer your question. ((Their is only one nation ICly at this time that can claim to know TY's real space location, that number will briefly raise to two)) Other than that no one knows my real space location, why do you think we founded TY-M it handles all communication traffic. ((I know you where not being serious but i feel such things need to be out there.))

In fact it is a small minority of my people that know the Real Space location of Tor Yvresse, It not being viewed as importent to most of them.

Anyway, as it is I left my post fairley open as to your defences, and yes I stated it is for your capital. As in your home world if you like.

Edit pending I need to check something

Edit added...

I do however require clarification of what Colonies are played by seperate players and what are played by you, and how each one affects your total population etc. Since you have made some conflicting statements, or I have mis-understood your statments.

OK, Due to Vernii’s lack of posting, I am going to assume that LT Johnson has gained basic (not full) control of the station. I simply won’t hold off my entire nation’s development for this one little station (and yes, it is critical to my nation’s development). So I’ve skipped the gaining control of the command section of the station and have just assumed that Corsica Station’s commander was accidentally stunned.

You know I am tempted to change my plans in Alpha-Centauri. I shall see what I feel like when we pick it back up. Valinon could you TG me any changes you have made for Nationstates regarding Honorverse Ships etc, it will be relevent when we pick up the thread there is however no rush.

This way I won't make erronous assumptions based on my own knowledge of the Honorverse. For example have you changed Acceleration of your vessels, maximum Sub-Hyperspace speeds. At the moment I am basing any assumptions I make around Manticorian Top end specs. That is those vessels made during the War and with the addition of the Grayson's to the alliance. (IE the addition of the unusual direction they had been forced to take as compared to the rest of humanity)

Should there be any changes I would appreciate it in advance, the rest shall fall where it may. I think many people mis-understand what I doing here, I am not undervaluing the defence of your planet, I am however attempting to break through the defences, let me put it this way. You could have formidable forces, and be able to fight off any invasion, but a part of that will be because an Invasion would have to gain near complete control of the area, we however are not seeking complete control of the area, nor intending to stay around long enough to contest the area. Assuming that you stick to Honorverse acceleration rates then I should have the time I need, I estimate anyway.

I could be badly mistaken, but I don't think I am but we shall see. I apologise if I angered you on this assumption, or made you think I was undervaluing the investment you have made in your system defences.

I do have a few questions, I understand you have a Task force in the system, where is it stationed at the moment, IE which Planet does it use as a Base, does it have Pickets patroling the system or do you rely on the Communications Pods for that, Do you have any vessels running silent in the system, if so how many?

These are all things I think which would not have been found out by Intel services because they are things that can change.

Another Question of the Defense fleets are they running patrols or at a halt at a planet...

Anyway I'll give you the time you need, and there is no rush to answer these questions. And yes a TG explaining the exact nature of the defenses would be appreciated, I have my estimates of it's nature, but I'd like to see how close I am. (I also have one or two tricks up my sleeve that I hope shall exploit my knowledge of Honorverse, but they are nothing that wouldn't be widely known.)

OK, Due to Vernii’s lack of posting, I am going to assume that LT Johnson has gained basic (not full) control of the station. I simply won’t hold off my entire nation’s development for this one little station (and yes, it is critical to my nation’s development). So I’ve skipped the gaining control of the command section of the station and have just assumed that Corsica Station’s commander was accidentally stunned.

I'm really sorry about that Wazzu. If you want, then yeah, I'll go ahead with assuming you took Corsica. I've had school starting recently and haven't had that much time on NS in the past few days. I need to catch up on my RPs...

so whats going on in the thread...

Shadow are sending Probes?

We also have a mobile suit here ??

WTF m8?

so whats going on in the thread...

Shadow are sending Probes?

We also have a mobile suit here ??

WTF m8?

7 posts and 3 posts respectively. Unless someone knows these two players (one player?), I suggest we don't recognize them. I don't want to be rude, but if they are not connected to anyone, and they don't have at least a little reputation, then we are inviting disaster both in them, and in others who follow their lead.

We also have a mobile suit here ??

WTF m8?

Don't insult me. It's not a mobile suit, having nothing to do with Gundam. It's an Orbital Frame. Here's a picture of it. (Click here! (http://s4.invisionfree.com/The_Planet_Mars/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=338213))

Not only being completely different from a Mobile Suit, it looks way k00ler. It's built from a strange ore called "Metatron", it is in its ultimate form (that being "Naked Jehuty", I call it just "Jehuty" out of habit). Stuff like that.

Wonder if this post is gonna help at all...

EDIT:

7 posts and 3 posts respectively. Unless someone knows these two players (one player?), I suggest we don't recognize them.

Bah. Dingo's there because Auman hired him to do stuff in Gregor, except nothing happened. The starting posts of this "nation" took place in the Mars forums when these forums were down.

Indeed, I've hired mercenaries...quite a few of them. The original intent was to have Jehuty destroy Vernii's command structure, to cut off the head of the snake. But, things change and so has Jehuty's role in this battle.

Why didn't you have Dingo come down and kill a few unarmed civilians while he's at it? I'm sure 20 million was well under Aumanii guesses.

I'm still sore about that, but, I mean, you talk about honor...and go and kill a bunch of people who happened to be in the same country with nothing to do with it?

And I seriously doubt a mobile suit will be too much of a threat to capital ships.

Why didn't you have Dingo come down and kill a few unarmed civilians while he's at it?

That's because he wouldn't have done it. Killing innocent civilians is different from killing military personnel. He's not such a coldblooded killer.

And I seriously doubt a mobile suit will be too much of a threat to capital ships.

And still, Orbital Frames are different from Mobile Suits.

I'm almost tempted to deal with them both. The DOS network could cut that orbital frame to nice pieces because at basic it still has a pilot, and still is limited by tolerable gee forces. The AI driven drones have no such limitations, and can outmanuver just about anything....that's why I'm trying to show the other Raumreich nations that the age of the missile is rapidly coming to an end.
As for the Shadow nation....well Valinon had dealt with both Shadow and Vorlon nations before. And I still have my hybrid Shadow tech ships made with tech stolen from Z ha dum.

Good luck with that, Valinon. Naked Jehuty is... The ultimate Orbital Frame. LEV pilots are restricted by G forces (LEVs are just normal mechs, not too maneuverable, built of normal metals and somesuch), Frame Runners don't seem to be. Orbital Frames just are... Different. While they are "man made", they at the same time aren't. They (humans) know how to build them (Orbital Frames) even if they don't know the technology used, causing odd situations where they actually research those prototype Orbital Frames for technology they could use in other places, such as on Orbital Frames they could mass produce - which are usually just bad copies of the prototypes. For some reason they just can't recreate the prototypes, so they are always unique and immensely better than anything fully man made.

It's almost as if the Metatron ore they are made of has a mind of its own, causing humans build Orbital Frames like Jehuty and its counterpart, Anubis. They know some of the things what Metatron can do, as they use it to build Orbital Frames, weapons and as a source of energy, but what it really is isn't known.

Naked Jehuty is the form of Jehuty that entered a place called Aumaan and came out of it "alive", being powered up immensely in the process by the pure Metatron in the core, making its subweapon energy resources inexhaustible, its normal energy weapons even more destructive and whatnot.

If there's more info someone might need about Jehuty, or need some stuff I said made clearer, just ask.

Jehuty is the most powerful weapon in the known galaxy, its why I hired Dingo to carry out the mission. I hired Dingo because he will avoid unnecessary civilian casualties...May'be you should type Zone of the Enders into a google search.

Dingo in Jehuty shot down an entire fleet of grav ships...not because the weapons were extremely powerful, but because he fought with his brain. Information is the key to victory, fight smart or die stupid.

hmm im sure it is a powerful unit, but ask Valinon something of the DOS system its well more scary.

besides the fact that there are wedges in play on our capital ships this thing can only hurt the fore aft of broadsides, and i dont think this thing would want to come across a 425cm graser...much less the twenty of them shot from an average SD.

It not being stupid, it confidance in our tech used in this region of which well Val seems to have the most advanced...stay on the fringe it may survive, close with the wall and itll be swated.

Yeah, I'm sure its powerful but one of those up against a Val dreadnaught, I'd put my money on the Dread, and you've got a good lot of them here to deal with.

Uberweapons don't really work too well in NS, because having a dominating space ship is usually considered a godmod or unfair. I mean, mabye if that thing cornered a hurt cruiser it could kill it, but against a lot of Val dreadnaughts and heavy combat vessels, I mean, its suicide.

But hey Gl and everything after all a good RP can lead to intessting results

Wazzu, check TGs.

You guys haven't played the game I suppose. If played smartly, Jehuty could do serious damage...a dreadnoughts armaments are designed to deal chiefly with other Capital ships. I think the 425cm Graser would have trouble targetting a frame this agile.

Information is the key to victory. Fight smart, or die stupid.

Wow... I think that's going to become Fido's motto, if you don't mind.

You guys haven't played the game I suppose. If played smartly, Jehuty could do serious damage...a dreadnoughts armaments are designed to deal chiefly with other Capital ships. I think the 425cm Graser would have trouble targetting a frame this agile.

Ya, but what about secondary guns?

They didn't have those small calibers on dreadnaughts of olde for nothing.

Ok, You can shoot at Jehuty with those guns...but the thing is, you're not going to hit it! Its an entire nation, Dingo Egret, the puppet is a nation of its own. There aren't multiple Jehuty's. Just one. Jehuty is the equivalent of the fleet that a reasonable economy can put out. Just think of it that way!

If nothing can hit it, that is called a godmod. A regular guided gunnery station might not be able to hit it, but I assure you the DOS and PD systems designed to track missiles going at over 1,000 gravities are capable of at least tracking a "very fast" object. Besides, this thing smacks of a mobile armor from the various Gundam analogies. Whatever you may say it is not, it is the same in principle, and I will treat it as such. Mobile suits are fine and wonderful, but I find their capabilities far to often overstated.

Don't insult me. It's not a mobile suit, having nothing to do with Gundam. It's an Orbital Frame. Here's a picture of it. (Click here! (http://s4.invisionfree.com/The_Planet_Mars/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=338213))

Not only being completely different from a Mobile Suit, it looks way k00ler. It's built from a strange ore called "Metatron", it is in its ultimate form (that being "Naked Jehuty", I call it just "Jehuty" out of habit). Stuff like that.

Lets do a side by side comparison of the two, shall we.

Jehuty
Made from mysterious metal that's almost invincible

Gundam
Made from a metal that's almost invincible

Jehuty
Hyperpowerful weapons capable of destroying capital ships

Gundam
Hyperpowerful weapons capable of destroying capital ships

Jehuty
Capable of insane manuvers and accelerations beyond that of normal weapons

Gundam
Capable of insane manuvers and acceleration beyond that of normal weapons

Jehuty
Pilots have superabilities

Gundam
Pilots have superabilities (new types, coordinators, etc. Take your pick)

Jehuty
Technology far beyond that of everything else

Gundam
Technology beyond that of everything else



Verdict:
Completely different...I think not.

Jehuty
Made from mysterious metal that's almost invincible

Gundam
Made from a metal that's almost invincible

Metatron ore works as as the building material for Orbital Frames and also as their source of energy. Metatron isn't even close to being invincible, a few good hits is all you need to destroy any Orbital Frame, even Jehuty. But the ore it's made of also "repairs" itself by moving bits of it to places that were damaged, thus making it pretty hard to just simply breach it. So the armor just gets thinner and thinner all over its body until the thing completely breaks. The idea is kind of the same as the regeneration of organic beings, except it doesn't exactly regenerate.

Gundamium is some "alloy" that can be manufactured only in Zero-G. Gundams also use fusion reactors as a source of energy. Gundamium can take a ton of damage and still not be broken, but once you get a shot through, the armor's breached there until it's fixed. There's a subtle difference there somewhere.

Jehuty
Hyperpowerful weapons capable of destroying capital ships

Gundam
Hyperpowerful weapons capable of destroying capital ships

Depends on the Gundam, really. There is only one Jehuty, but n+1 Gundams. It has "hyperpowerful weapons capable of destroying capital ships", yes. If you were comparing Orbital Frames to Gundams...

Jehuty
Capable of insane manuvers and accelerations beyond that of normal weapons

Gundam
Capable of insane manuvers and acceleration beyond that of normal weapons

Depends on the Gundam, though. The Gundams used by Gundam 08th MS Team, for instance, are about as "insane" as a Zaku. Unlike Gundam, Jehuty is not man made nor is its technology well known by anyone.

Jehuty
Pilots have superabilities

Gundam
Pilots have superabilities (new types, coordinators, etc. Take your pick)

Untrue. Frame Runners are just normal people. Usually, they are trained soldiers, too, like Dingo is. The earlier Frame Runner of Jehuty wasn't trained, but that's why there's that battle AI that could basically move the Frame around all by itself, unlike in Gundams. Just that humans seem to be more creative than machines and all. Bah, even some Gundams don't require omg superabilities from their pilots. :-P Oh right, unless you count Dingo being bound to Jehuty since his lungs and heart were replaced with a device that gets its energy from Jehuty itself "superhuman" somehow.

Jehuty
Technology far beyond that of everything else

Gundam
Technology beyond that of everything else

Again, depends on the Gundam. Usually technology used on Gundams is stuff they already use in other places, just made somehow better. Jehuty, on the other hand, is practically a design derived from the Metatron itself, which the people in the game have no knowledge of. Because of that, they research the Orbital Frame prototypes for technology, not the other way 'round, as they do with Gundams.

Also, please remember that Jehuty and Dingo are the whole damn NationState. I don't claim having anything else but the Orbital Frame and the character. Considering that Jehuty is unique (and will be, due to its construction and everything), it's far less, let's say, godmoddy than many fleets people have. I guess you're right that the basic fundamentals are pretty much the same on some Gundams and Jehuty, but that still doesn't remove the glaring differences between Gundams and Jehuty. (And Gundams are ugly, too, when compared to Jehuty. ;-) )

EDIT:

And didn't read what Valinon and Auman's been saying, so I'll answer to that here now, too.

If nothing can hit it, that is called a godmod. A regular guided gunnery station might not be able to hit it, but I assure you the DOS and PD systems designed to track missiles going at over 1,000 gravities are capable of at least tracking a "very fast" object.

That's why it has shields that can be used to stop stuff from hitting its body. One's energy based (the lighter one), one's physical (the heavier one, withstands a whole crapload of beating, also whilst using it, the Frame repairs itself). If your... Denial of Services start getting a bit too awkward, it'll just bring the shield up. Just like your ship did before when I tried to attack it. Of course, it can't use its shields when its attacking, so...

(0-Shift is a form of FTL, based on the same technology as the Urenbeck catapult. Here's a description of the Urenbeck catapult: "A technology related to Metatron that has allowed for space flight at ultra-high speeds by utilizing distortions in space and its restorative power. Because of the enormous amount of energy and ship capacity that this process requires, normal vessels cannot be outfitted with it. --" The rest is stuff about where they have 'em in-game, so it's pointless to go on about 'em.

Description of their armor: "Self-Supporting Armor (SSA) - Orbital Frame armor outfitted with Metatron-related technology. A multi-layered, highly molecular armor that is flexible enough to be pushed in just by touching its surface while at the same time able to withstand impact with a level of durability exceeding even that of ceramics. It also replenishes itself when destroyed by rerouting sufficient amounts of energy and Metatron minerals from other sections."

And where Jehuty keeps its subweapons? Here: "Vector Trap - When high velocity and rotation are applied to Metatron, the result is an effect such that the space above it is sucked in towards the rotating axis, and the motion of the created distortion trying to quickly restore itself is like a that of a rubber band. This distorted space then snaps shut, and can be used as a type of cargo bay. This process is called a Vector Trap. The make-up of the enclosed item remains the same. Because this process requires an enormous quantity of energy it is only used in colony facilities and large cargo vessels. Jehuty is outfitted with a Vector Trap that serves as its ammunition storage."

And Jehuty's computer? "Metatron Computer - This is a type of quantum computer that uses Metatron in its integrated circuits. There is a clear line of distinction between it and the von Neumann-type digital computers that came before it. The computer balances superior processing speed with compactness. There is no clear distinction between its calculation and memory units, as its constantly changing circuits carry out (in terms of quantum physics, in a separate space) computation and memory functions."

... Eh. Why did I even type in those? Dunno.)

hmmm i do not think anyone is doubting that this orbital frame is a powerful unit, becasue it is. And against the crappy capital ships ive seen in gundam series i imgine it is worth an entire fleet or two of them. I mean ive seen the things fly areound the capital ships one shot to kill them and the capital ships not even moving lol. Slow and dumb.

In the Raumreich, you are dealling with HH tech. For starters a graser of any size is/can be used to shoot down missiles that are just about moving at light-speed and taking evasive action of thier own. Id say oh 40% with Val's tech targeting that frame.

Then there are PD clusters that will hit it no matter what he does if he closes within a milllion klicks.

Counter missiles, will fly at it with over 100km wedges that will kill the thing on impact.

DOS system, basicly take what ive said up to now and multiple it by 10 or 20 times. (A dreadnaught may be built to deal with other dreadnaughts but DOS 's purpose is to kill missiles essientailly it can deal with fighters, LAC and orbital frames.

Go after Valinon's Wall of Battle it will die if just beacuse of the insaine about of firepower directed at it.

It may be able to hang with the cruiser and DD's val dispatched after it if its RP'ed well. Take in mind these are light units they can roll ship like a Dervish compared to a Dreadnaught. Making it mauch harder to damage.

BTW Auman from ur comment in the IC thread i gather you stated that the wick accepts aid from the Valinon so LRR should take it from you? yes, no , maybe so?

In anycase i was never at War with the Valinon my ships have yet to fire a single shot at a Space Armada ship. should Ortaga offer my nation the same Aid as the Valinor have offered even if it would mean that millions of my people would survive beacuse of it, i would spit on his aid than take a dump on it and throw it out the nearest airlock and then proceed to shove his own foot up his arse. then i would smile and say "Thank you very much, but No thanks" :)

OK, looks like there may be some fleet action around Corsica. I need to run upstairs, do some laundry, and grab my notes (that I made some time ago) detailing what I sent towards Jupiter.

I'll make a detailed report here for you Valinon, so you may want to hold off on your post (your choice).

Though if Lord Adonis knows anything about Wazzu ships, just a couple should scare the living @#$@ out of him.

Not that anyone really does know....

Despite appearences, The Cardboard Avenger does not hail from the 3rd world.

List of Wazzu assets near Jupiter.

NOTE: Links that show stats show OLD KNOWN stats, before Wazzu’s isolationist era. Not only has the nation continueally updated/refitted its craft in its paranoia, but it has also continued to keep its true capibilities secret…in that paranoia. Of course, the real reason is that I was in boot camp and later here (without computer access for a while) and couldn’t update the website. I still haven’t had time to (and I won’t for another year and a half or more either).

NOTE2: Since mid 2003, I have claimed OOCly to have hidden technology (feel free to ask Siri). Don’t think I am pulling things out of my…rear end now. I have continuely worked on physics reasonable (and unique) products for my nation to have and deliberately kept them secret to avoid the kind of proliferation and wanking we have seen with gravships, tactical FTL, masers, x-ray lasers, gravitic lances, nanotech, and you name it. I’ll be more then happy to provide an (non-math physics/economics) explination of all the technology I use and how/why it is superior when/if I do use it. In fact, you’ll have a hard time stopping me from bragging. But I felt I needed to put the disclaimer out now.

Corsica Station: Despite what Lord Adonis does or does not believe, Corsica is under Admiral West’s (actually, LCDR Johnson’s) full control. Not only are the “locals” cooperating (at least as long as the Valinon are the alternative), but there are 960 “marines” from one of the docked freighters in addition to the 160 power armor troops that then LT Johnson led in taking the station (though all the PA troops are resting at the moment).

The Two Freighters (http://members.cox.net/sincityraiders/images/Alpha2.jpg) parked just outside the station (one is docked) are indeed converted civilian freighters…as such, they are armed with point defense only…but act as makeshift carriers/assault-ships.
--One (General Marie Walsh Commands) carried those 960 troops (who are really used to and armed for deploying in a different fashon) as well as 40 Hawk (http://members.cox.net/davage/images/makeway(DavidCiprian).jpg) aerospace light-fighters (space capible, but meant for fighting in an atmosphere…Wazzu’s cheapest/lightest on the field).
--The other (not docked, Captain Jack Hedgekins Commands) has a total of 40 Squire (http://members.cox.net/davage/NationStates/Wazzu/Military/Vehicles/Squire.html) class gunboats and 30 Djinn (ftp://members.cox.net/images/JinnFighterSmall.jpg) Aerospace Superiority Fighters. These are definitely NOT the “cheaper” stuff found in the other freighter (The Djinns alone cost upward of US $15 billion each…as much as many people’s destroyers).

The Three Fighters behind the station are Drake (http://members.cox.net/davage/NationStates/Wazzu/Military/Vehicles/Drake.html) light fighters. Their pilots have been stuck in their cockpits for some time now and are non too happy (or fresh). They are much less capible then the Djinns, but much more then the Hawks…of course, there are only three of them with weary pilots.

Olympus Mining Station has no real defenses itself and is being pulled along by two small tugs. The six Squire (link above) gunboats detaching from it are the last of it’s garrison (the rest of the garrison includes the PA troops, LCDR Johnson, those three last Drake fighters of the origional 10, and 8 civilian search/rescue ships still behind the station).

Commodore Tully’s Fleet: about 5 light-seconds out and no longer decelerating.
-2 Archer (http://members.cox.net/davage/NationStates/Wazzu/Military/Vehicles/Archer.html) Destroyers.
-4 Knight (http://members.cox.net/davage/NationStates/Wazzu/Military/Vehicles/KnightD.html) Frigates.
-4 Defender (http://members.cox.net/davage/NationStates/Wazzu/Military/Vehicles/Defender.html) Frigates.
-2 Firestar (http://members.cox.net/davage/NationStates/Wazzu/Military/Vehicles/Firestar.html) Escort Carriers.
-6 Comet (http://members.cox.net/davage/NationStates/Wazzu/Military/Vehicles/Comet.html) Corvettes.
Lagging behind and still decelerating…
-2 Aide (http://members.cox.net/davage/NationStates/Wazzu/Military/Vehicles/Aide.html) Medical Frigates.
-2 Crafter (http://members.cox.net/davage/NationStates/Wazzu/Military/Vehicles/Crafter.html) Replenishment Ships.
-1 Supertanker (http://members.cox.net/sincityraiders/images/Beta1.jpg)
-1 Superfreighter (http://members.cox.net/sincityraiders/images/Beta2.jpg)


Admiral Brayson’s Fleet: about 7 light-seconds out and no longer decelerating.
-8 Comet (http://members.cox.net/davage/NationStates/Wazzu/Military/Vehicles/Comet.html) Corvettes.
-4 Defender (http://members.cox.net/davage/NationStates/Wazzu/Military/Vehicles/Defender.html) Frigates.
-9 Knight (http://members.cox.net/davage/NationStates/Wazzu/Military/Vehicles/KnightD.html) Frigates.
Note: A few ships have broken off and are moving towards Commodore Tully’s fleet.
Lagging behind and sill decelerating…
-1 Aide (http://members.cox.net/davage/NationStates/Wazzu/Military/Vehicles/Aide.html) Medical Frigate.
-3 Crafter (http://members.cox.net/davage/NationStates/Wazzu/Military/Vehicles/Crafter.html) Replenishment Ships.


NOTE: Each Escort Carrier holds 30 fighters, each Knight Frigate holds 4 squires, 10 fighters, and 2 drones. Most of the fighters are of the Djinn type, though some will be less (or typically but not here more) common types...including Drakes, Phantoms, Gremlins, Elementals, and Wyverns (especially Wyverns).

Thats a running total of about 52 ships...not all of them combat oriented. Again, the largest concentration of Wazzu ships ever and representing most of around 100 ships total (fewer then 80 combat ships). This isn't counting gunboats (only 35 meters long) which don't have facilities to operate on their own for extended periods of time.

OOC: Pax? Maybe?

*Goes to flex some diplomatic muscles before diving in*

OOC: Pax? Maybe?

*Goes to flex some diplomatic muscles before diving in*

OOC: Si vis pacem...

It should be very interesting, although that is well below the cost of a typical Eurytion-class destroyer. Rest assured, an engagement between Valinon and Wazzu would be very interesting, but Adonis has every right to be confident in his own command's capabilities. The military restructing of the SSTF under Emperor Rowald's early reign turned it into one of the foremost deployments of the Star Armada.
Besides, Adonis is going to get "redeployed" after this war to the Raumreich itself. The stress put on him in recent years has made the old Lord Marshal show is age, and at around 345 it's time for him to start flying a more comfortable desk.

Hey i am hoping for a battle love to see it. Lord knows valinon hasnt had enough war in yet so give it to him!

Hey i am hoping for a battle love to see it. Lord knows valinon hasnt had enough war in yet so give it to him!

ROFL!!!!

"Hey TY! Common over and help me out!!!" :D

Hey id love too really would. Thing is im just over 900 ly away and Val shut his wormhole down so i cant really get there in time, Val is a party pooper what can i say?

/me sticks his head back into this thread. Hurm, things've recivilised.

Jehuty is the most powerful weapon in the known galaxy, its why I hired Dingo to carry out the mission.


Eh, maybe in that fictional universe, but I'm sure there are plenty of nations that could match it without too much trouble.

I know a Kanuckistani Battleplate or Superfortress would eat it for lunch without too much trouble, tho that's mainly because a single vessel would have an extreamly hard time getting it's weapons fire past the inversion feild.

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Ya know, something relivent just occured to me; I wonder if the TrueSpace Barrier Effector I sold Vernii would inhibit HH wedges. IIRC, don't they draw alot of their power from hyperspace?

nah. HH tech in normal space is done by the Wedge which is powered by beta nodes of the impeller rings.

Hyper space travel is done by useing the Warshawski Sails which are powered by the alpha nodes, in hyper the sails accerate the ship using the grav waves, higher bands for higher speeds.

Back in the day a wedge was used in hyper however if a wedge passes through a grav wave ship go boom.

Simple explaination with lots of spelling errors but hope it helps a lil bit. sure vernii or val can make a better one he he

Odd, I recall reading that the wedge drew power from hyperspace, and that's why it had theoretically unlimited acceleration potential, the practical application of which was limited only by the avalible inertial compensator tech and, possible, hardware tollerances.

not really, yes accel rates are dependent apoun interial compesators here is a better explaintion i found from Aegy's hall of Honor:
Propulsion, for small vessels and missiles as well as the large classes of warships are gravity based. They achieve acceleration by the simple expedient of generating an impeller "wedge" , two planes of artificial gravity "above" and "below" the ship. These planes pull the ship toward them, and the since the planes are generated from the ship they move with it, pulling it toward them in the same way that a mule will continue to pursue a carrot dangled in front of him by a rider. You could call this the Cosmic Carrot theory. Unfortunately, the nature of the design requires it to be open at the front and rear, which means the top speed of the vessel in normal space is limited by the efficiency of the shielding both for atomic particles, i.e. radiation, and larger objects, meteors and the like. The effects of acceleration are canceled out by using the gravity wedge as an inertial sump. Top speed in normal space as limited by shielding, is .7c for warships or .6c for commercial vessels with their less expensive (and effective) shielding. All warships have approximately the same top speed, but the acceleration varies, with the smaller vessels being considerable quicker off the mark.




hope thats a bit clearer. HH tech can be confusing at times

Ya know, something relivent just occured to me; I wonder if the TrueSpace Barrier Effector I sold Vernii would inhibit HH wedges. IIRC, don't they draw alot of their power from hyperspace?

I'm not sure. It sounds familiar though. I'd just say IC though that even if they do, then the Barrier wouldn't affect them, otherwise it screws up the entire battle, because then there would be a lot of stuff happening differently.

I'm not sure. It sounds familiar though. I'd just say IC though that even if they do, then the Barrier wouldn't affect them, otherwise it screws up the entire battle, because then there would be a lot of stuff happening differently.

Aye; my thoughts, just about, as noone likes revisionist history this far into an RP. I was mainly considering future implications.

EDIT:
Closest I could find was this;



The problem was that, on paper, the whole thing made sense. Gravity sidewalls were the first and primary line of defense for every warship. The impeller drive created a pair of stressed gravity bands above and below a ship—a wedge, open at both ends, though the forward edge was far deeper than the after one—capable in theory of instant acceleration to light speed. Of course, that kind of acceleration would turn any crew to gory goo; even with modern inertial compensators, the best acceleration any warship could pull under impeller was well under six hundred gravities, but it had been a tremendous step forward. And not simply in terms of propulsion; even today no known weapon could penetrate the main drive bands of a military-grade impeller wedge, which meant simply powering its impellers protected a ship against any fire from above or below.


Bold mine; implys infinite energy is avalible, as Weber clearly knows something about physics.

BTW, this (http://dahak.ne.client2.attbi.com:8080/FAQs/InfoDump/) might be helpful to Honorverse tech users, if they've not already knowledge of it; "A collection of posts by David Weber containing background information for his stories."

Also, the first two books are avalible for free from the Baen Free Library (http://www.baen.com/library/), for those interested yet lacking access to hard copies.

No long period to work up a post tonight...and no real oppertunity to get in the action...so I only made a small post to keep the thread moving forward.

So Tannelorn what the dealo with throwing a rock at Vernii? Any ho all hes got to do is shoot it with something bigger then a mere ten missiles or even easier just intercept it with a destroyer's wedge and its well history...

So Tannelorn what the dealo with throwing a rock at Vernii? Any ho all hes got to do is shoot it with something bigger then a mere ten missiles or even easier just intercept it with a destroyer's wedge and its well history...

What are these wedge thingses you are talking about? Is it a formation, or a part of the ship or whaaaaa?

Somebody's throwing an asteroid into the Gregor system? Er...well...ummmm...wha...what is it exactly thats being tried to be acomplished by the asteroid? Looking pretty?

What are these wedge thingses you are talking about? Is it a formation, or a part of the ship or whaaaaa?

Somebody's throwing an asteroid into the Gregor system? Er...well...ummmm...wha...what is it exactly thats being tried to be acomplished by the asteroid? Looking pretty?

A wedge is what most Honorverse ships use for sublight propulsion; it's a plane of extreamly intense gravitic sheer used to propell the ship. It also doubles as a rather nasty weapon, and their main means of passive defence.

The link I provided about Honorverse tech might be helpful in understanding, particularly the bit about wedge geometry.

Oh...that's a major step from the traditional LRR ion drives etc.

Don't think I'd even be able to think something like that up at all...

*slinks away to the corner and sulks*

BTW, this (http://dahak.ne.client2.attbi.com:8080/FAQs/InfoDump/) might be helpful to Honorverse tech users, if they've not already knowledge of it; "A collection of posts by David Weber containing background information for his stories."

Also, the first two books are avalible for free from the Baen Free Library (http://www.baen.com/library/), for those interested yet lacking access to hard copies.

((Hey, thanks for posting that! I quite enjoyed the Honor books, and was hoping there might be a site just like that where I could gorge myself. *sets off to read every article he can find*

Oh, and all the books - plus the anthologies and some other cool stuff - can be found at this (http://www.baen.changingthetimes.co.uk/Honorverse/index.htm) site.

And in case anyone was wondering, I've been following this and the in character thread because of respect for Valinon and the other participants and appreciation of the fine writing going on. Right - [/relurk]))

I dont think me and fine writing go 'gether.

From what I've seen, you're good enough. Better than some of the trash that hangs around here...

yes that is a great referense site for HH tech. Thanks for posting it!

There is one problem I can see with the Honorverse impeller tech. No matter what it says, there is no way it would stop a laser. I just can't see how it is feasible (though I haven't seen it claimed yet).

All a laser is is light. Very intense, coherent light, but still light. If an impeller wedge were to block light, it wouldn't be able to see or communicate through those same wedges. Similarly, those wedges wouldn't protect it from other gravity sources (gravitic lances some people use) or perhaps other fantasy-tech weapons (not that Wazzu uses any...).

But otherwise, pretty neat stuff.

There is one problem I can see with the Honorverse impeller tech. No matter what it says, there is no way it would stop a laser. I just can't see how it is feasible (though I haven't seen it claimed yet).

All a laser is is light. Very intense, coherent light, but still light. If an impeller wedge were to block light, it wouldn't be able to see or communicate through those same wedges. Similarly, those wedges wouldn't protect it from other gravity sources (gravitic lances some people use) or perhaps other fantasy-tech weapons (not that Wazzu uses any...).

But otherwise, pretty neat stuff.

The gravity bands bend and likly disperse lasers, making it absurdly diffucult to actually hit the ship within the wedge/sidewalls(huge wedges/sidewalls, small ship; look at the wedge geometry bit).

The generating ship can see and fire out without much problem, because it's generating 'em, and knows how to compensate for the specific distortions created by it's sidewalls/wedges.

Gravity weapons would probally go right through, however.

((Grr...I know how annoying it is for an uninvited third party to but in and give technical thoughts or opinions, so you'll have to forgive me - but I can't resist. :)

I was under the impression that the impeller bands (but not the sidewalls) did completely block light, meaning that a Honorverse ship is completely unable to see, communicate, or fire 'above' and 'beneath' itself, and that is why all armarment and sensors are focused either in the broadsides or the chase. The sidewalls are something different, though: they do that distorting thing that was previously mentioned.))

Well my understanding of HH tech i use would say this(I make this disclaimer for only the uber-god Weber himself knows all about this tech. Us peons just make edumackated guess into his wisdom. All hail our god Weber!")

One thing i know for sure is that NOTHING can beat a wedge. NOTHING! That isnt to say things cant kill a ship if they go around the wedge. See the battle of Gregor here Valinon missiles detonatin in the gaps between Harris Fleet's wedges hurting his fleet. this is working because of the MASSIVE amounts of missiles being thrown at the Vernians makeing thier chances at go throw somethings as small as a gap in the WALL even feasiable (True or Faux Guys?)

Sidewalls are weaker versions of the Wedge. Weaker in that they do allow damage through. Instead of merely absorbing the damage it can destort/deflect it. it does not take much of a distortion to defelct weapons from something as small as even an SD's hull. but with all thinds the stronger the weapon and the distance its fired from increase the chances of damage. but again with all things HH tech the bigger the combatant you are shooting at the "Thicker" the defenses be it sidewall, missile pd, EW/ECM, and armor(Which is considerable on capital ships).

Help any i know im not the best at explaining things i try though he he

Well my understanding of HH tech i use would say this(I make this disclaimer for only the uber-god Weber himself knows all about this tech. Us peons just make edumackated guess into his wisdom. All hail our god Weber!")

One thing i know for sure is that NOTHING can beat a wedge. NOTHING! That isnt to say things cant kill a ship if they go around the wedge. See the battle of Gregor here Valinon missiles detonatin in the gaps between Harris Fleet's wedges hurting his fleet. this is working because of the MASSIVE amounts of missiles being thrown at the Vernians makeing thier chances at go throw somethings as small as a gap in the WALL even feasiable (True or Faux Guys?)

Sidewalls are weaker versions of the Wedge. Weaker in that they do allow damage through. Instead of merely absorbing the damage it can destort/deflect it. it does not take much of a distortion to defelct weapons from something as small as even an SD's hull. but with all thinds the stronger the weapon and the distance its fired from increase the chances of damage. but again with all things HH tech the bigger the combatant you are shooting at the "Thicker" the defenses be it sidewall, missile pd, EW/ECM, and armor(Which is considerable on capital ships).

Help any i know im not the best at explaining things i try though he he

Maybe nothing in the Honorverse universe...but this is the NS universe and incorporates manything that don't exist there.

Again, this is the same concept as Jehuty (or whever that thing was called).

As for sidewalls and wedges, I'm afraid I don't understand the difference, having never actually read any of those particular books.

Sidewalls are shields basicly.

Wedges propell the ship using gravity. with the benefit of protecting the ventral and dorsal sides of HH tech ship. the draw back is that nothing can penatrate the wedge so we can shoot stuff through them either thats why we use broadside tactics

ooc lol ok blame auman on that. Either way its headed to HELP Vernii as a distraction...which phase 2 is about to hit shall i post in battle for gregor?

The military wouldn't know it's supposed to help, nor would they trust it if they did.

((Here we go, Wazzu: This link (http://dahak.ne.client2.attbi.com:8080/FAQs/InfoDump/hh_wedge_geometry.htm) explains, among other things and the differences between a wedge and a sidewall, the difference between complete invulnerability and invulnerablity against "any currently known weapon" (that is, any currently known weapon in the Honorverse).

Of course, it should be remembered that all this is mainly just a plot device for Weber to simulate Nelson's navy in space as closely as he could. :)))

http://well-of-souls.com/homeworld/hws/hw2/images/display.htm?concept_carrier_rough.jpg

Check out my new dread.

Its cool...ish?

Yea well most of weber writting is laced with Nelson's quotes the most obvoius was in Death Ground, where nelson was quoted. But hey if you are going to write about naval tactics and of epic battles what better era then of Nelsons time. heck he says in On Basilisk station that these books are dedicated to CS Forester.

Ack my ramblings continue, but as far as that "Any known Weapon" thing goes. id be willing to RP something that can penatrate a wedge as long as I belive its RPed well, not jus "My Phaser is made up of Uber Light i beat joo wit it"....anything is possible i suppose.

k i am going to have to thank auman for not directing me to this >.<. See he asked me to help out Vernii so i concocted a plan to help. Basically the big asteroid is to keep you busy for the real plan. Ok any one on the mars forum who has read my fact book knows about the naval troopers? well thats the idea they used the thing as cover. Naval troopers use small fast stealthy ships, and a big old asteroid is good cover for the real plan. Now not sure if its over or not, but i would love to contribute with a daring raid or the like so if still looking at all this please tell me if its cool heh. Been waiting forever for something like this and i had some troubles last few days. Thanks for listening and sorry i didnt get a chance to clarify.

A daring raid, eh?

I look foreward to it!

And somebody comment on my dread! NOW!!!!!!!!!

pretty cool actually ok one thing alright from what i garner there is a massive fleet battle. Since tannelorn is "officially" staying out as i said its a raid. Now to let you know anyone who is not too engaged can try to look for the ships. they are stealthy so its hard to see and small and very fast. So anyone who would reasonably be able to see them [not counting auman as he is allies and anyone else he is allying with, this means you vernii lol]. So please tell me if you think you may be able to see them. I am all about story and fairness. more about story lol.

Spotting them pretty much depends on how much energy they are radiating.

at the stage of the battle start for them it would be whatever the maneuver verniers allow for maneuvering they build up a good speed outside system then coast the rest of the way nothing is really on but basics type deal.

On Wedges as Wazzu said this is not Honorverse... and in fact I think I have the perfect weapon for dealing with Wedges. As this is an OOC thread I might as well reveal it here so when it gets used we can hash out the exact nature of them.

Void Missiles, they work basically by skipping between the Warp and the Real world, much like a Stone skipping across a Pond. Basically one second they are in the physical the next they are gone and elsewhere, then they return, before departing again.

Obviously while in the Immaterium of the warp they can't be intercepted but even worse they can move through that and emerge at an equaivalent point in realspace. So inside the Impellor wedge of the Honourverse vessels. Of course when I use them I fully intend to have some emerge just a fraction too soon and hit the Impellor wedge for fairness sake, others will however exit inside enemy vessels before exploding.

Others may be intercepted on route as well although that will be difficult but not impossible, and some will just not return for the Warp is a fickle place. And yet those that do reach the target will be inside the Impellor wedges of the enemy vessels...

The first wave of craft that left my fleet are armed with these, 2 to a fighter, not many only 1600 will be launched assuming no fighters are destroyed then they will have to circle back to the main fleet to be rearmed, (Hence why the main fleet is moving closer)

So there you go, the first stage of my plan revealed so we can hash out any problems Valinon or any other person here might have.

i would think that they would have to have some really sophisticated navagational equpment to "reappear" inside a ship. i may be able to swallow inside a wedge or sidewall as they are some KM away from the ship itself, but inside a ship?

Interesting concept, but what if I have warships with an FTL denial system? (No the bulk of my warships do not have this but the Myrmidon Spartan-class does). Wouldn't that pretty much anull even these things, and don't short change my stealth detection capabilities either. Valinon has been locked in a quiet technological war with the Ortagans (in whatever government form they choose right now its the Lone Psychopath form), who are pretty damned good with stealth tech. Vernii, you know of the whole Skipper realm of technology. Only in recent years has the arms race slacked off...largely because the Ortagan research and development community has eroded to a certain degree. I strongly suspect its because of the purges from the revolution that created the Hegemony.
Oh, and if we're going to start dragging out these big super-weapons (curses the Ortagans for starting it). Would it be acceptable if I drug out the tech I stole from Z ha dum? I've had specs and stats for a Shadow hybrid ship sketched out for sometime, and I want to see how well I can do with it. And once again, Tor, the fleet based in Alpha Centauri is not the pure Honorverse fleet. Large portions of the Fatherland Defense Fleet are my new tech, I'm phasing out the HH tech as being the dominant force in my navy. The Second Battle of Gregor is kind of its last hurrah.

Wick they do have a great guidence system, why do you think that on craft big enough to double as Troop Transports I can only fit two such Missiles on ;) (Has no idea what their Official Fluff size is, but I felt it inapproiate to give such weapons a Rack for reloading)

On blocking with FTL blockers I'd be wary, they arn't really going at FTL speeds, but rather changing dimension. What would work right of the bat, would be a void shield...

Now obviously none 40K craft won't have Void shields however the basic principles of Void Shields and what makes them effective in this case can be applied across NS I think. Void Shields work because they are blocking two dimensions at once, the Shield exists both in the real and in the Warp, and therefore if a Ship has a shield that extends to both the Real world and another dimension at the same time. I will extend to it the same protection as a Void shield grants.

I'll consider in more detail the FTL Inhabitor's and get back to you. Perhaps you could tell me a little more about how they block FTL travel. Nothing indepth of course but is it in a manner for example similar to a Starwars ship? IE Making it appear a large mass is in the area, such as a world?

Valinon understood about your fleet.

Ah so its a BIG missile then, just find the prospect of a missile detonating inside a ship well yummy

More complicated than just big.... with a lot of care needed to set it up right, but yes it's also big. Well it has to house a Minuture Warp Engine, Targeting Computer and THEN warheads

Well there are also masers, they simply find whatever weak point there is by virtue of agitating molecules...doesnt matter what molecules it will do it lol.
So those shold be able to affect wedges or what not so long as there are molecules used. Yes, no?

maybe on a damage wedge...i doubt on a working one though

Matter
Amplified
by
Stimulated
Emission
of
Radiation

Ain't I a genius!

What do theyse do? You shoot them, I gather. But I mean how.

And what would an antimatter cannonne do against a wedge? Or perhaps a big bomb.

Masers? Masers are simply emit microwave-wavelength light, as opposed to the visible wavelength of a laser or the x-rays of a xaser. Just another EM weapon. Not 'matter amplification,' whatever that's supposed to mean.

Hey...it was just a guess! I sort of skipped that chapter in my quantum physics book.

But ok...microwavelength light...but my question was how does that make it a more potent weapon?