New Hyborea expells all elves! - Page 2
Canada-Germany
23-10-2003, 05:59
Do you know this for sure? do you know the exact specs on these planes? I said they were LIKE the An and the C-17, not indentical.
Now with an added paintstripe down the center, and an extra layer of foam on the bottom of the wings and fuselage to help in those crash landings... *Don't forget spy cameras*
OOC: lol, not quite.
Canada-Germany
23-10-2003, 06:00
"Thank you.' the pilot comments, deadpaned.
The connection is terminated before the pilot says anything else.
"I almost wish those fu*kups had tried something."
His hand wayvered over a butten labeled "fire Control".
OOC: You do realise a Dropship could completely destroy that squadron before they even realise what's happening, right?
*cough*
Do you know this for sure? do you know the exact specs on these planes? I said they were LIKE the An and the C-17, not indentical.
100 %. Dropships can hover, move faster, and, this being Roanian property, packed full of assorted nastiness no other nation would look at.
Hah hah. Just cause I'm a good-doer doesn't mean I do everything with only good things.
Chemical sprays? Napalm guns? Biological bombardment weapons?
CG, I dont mean to be imprudent with my words. But my people cannot even buy cooking oil and are suffering. My words are the words of my people.
Canada-Germany
23-10-2003, 06:06
Lol, well, these planes, carry an assortment of Nuclear arms. Add to that several... adjustments made to the external armor of the plane, CRV-7 and CRV-8 smokeless rockets with warheads varying from biologics to Chems to nuclear to pure radiative's.
The CRV-7's and 8's are carried in packs of 19 on LAU-5003's. Also they are relatively tiny so I could fit and fire off many of these with no warning.
Canada-Germany
23-10-2003, 06:08
CG, I dont mean to be imprudent with my words. But my people cannot even buy cooking oil and are suffering. My words are the words of my people.
I will be sending shipments of aid, from Menelmacar, if she agrees, to you via my own ships. All these shipments will be checked over to help deal with your distrust of the Menelmacarian government.
Flocarga and Delmarva
23-10-2003, 06:09
CG, I dont mean to be imprudent with my words. But my people cannot even buy cooking oil and are suffering. My words are the words of my people.
We can send some peaches, various citrus, and tobacco products. If that helps, and if it's allowed for humanitarian aid.
Opening trade markets :D
Canada-Germany
23-10-2003, 06:11
Lol, well, these planes, carry an assortment of Nuclear arms. Add to that several... adjustments made to the external armor of the plane, CRV-7 and CRV-8 smokeless rockets with warheads varying from biologics to Chems to nuclear to pure radiative's.
The CRV-7's and 8's are carried in packs of 19 on LAU-5003's. Also they are relatively tiny so I could fit and fire off many of these with no warning.
And these are only their offensive armaments. their defensive arm's are a bit more.. private.
Edit: Bah, forgot to mention about their conventional arms too, lol.
Yes we would like your fruits and tobacco. Things here are so bad that you can buy a woman for a half a pack of cigarettes here...
Flocarga and Delmarva
23-10-2003, 06:15
RJ Reynolds Co. will be very proud of getting into a new market. Nearly bankrupt in it's world exports as is, and domestic sales banned, they can rise up. Perhaps they can outbid Allnexular* Wireless and get back sponsorship for the NASCAR trophy.
* - Nextel + Cingular + Alltel - after a huge merger in 2021...
OOC: A dropship is equivalent to a troop carrier...they're not for attacking. That's why they are dropships, and not gunboats.
IC: Second Rome offers its support of New Hyborea if the interdiction is not stopped. The interdiction is biased and unfair. The New Hyborean people were oppressed for generations, and cannot be expected to take it forever. The New Hyborean elves got what they deserved.
Second Rome will be sending it's navy first, in 1 day, followed by the air force in case of an attack on said navy (which consists of several trimaran ships with extra armaments). Second Rome is also equipped with nuclear armaments, and it's resolve should not be doubted.
Second Rome sincerely hopes that New Hyborea accepts our help.
Canada-Germany
23-10-2003, 06:20
OOC: A dropship is equivalent to a troop carrier...they're not for attacking. That's why they are dropships, and not gunboats.
IC: Second Rome offers its support of New Hyborea if the interdiction is not stopped. The interdiction is biased and unfair. The New Hyborean people were oppressed for generations, and cannot be expected to take it forever. The New Hyborean elves got what they deserved.
Second Rome will be sending it's navy first, in 1 day, followed by the air force in case of an attack on said navy (which consists of several trimaran ships with extra armaments). Second Rome is also equipped with nuclear armaments, and it's resolve should not be doubted.
Second Rome sincerely hopes that New Hyborea accepts our help.
I would ask that you do not blockaid run. Such actions might increase the level of tension already highly provailent in this matter.
Flocarga and Delmarva
23-10-2003, 06:20
Second Rome will be sending it's navy first, in 1 day, followed by the air force in case of an attack on said navy (which consists of several trimaran ships with extra armaments). Second Rome is also equipped with nuclear armaments, and it's resolve should not be doubted.
Guessing your nuclear capabilites - a $6M Belemian suitcase nuke. Great for blowing up that pesky neighbor's house - and not much else. Only takes out about 50 foot radius.
We gladly accept your assistance, second rome. The New Hyborean people commend your kindness.
It was certainly wrong of New Hyborea to sell the elves into slavery. Second Rome does not condone these actions. However, the elves' uppance was bound to come, and Siri's actions are thus an assault on freedom in general. They are condoning despotism and fascism, and this cannot, and will not, be tolerated.
NOTE: Second Rome has a large, powerful, and rapidly growing economy, and thus has built up an impressive array of Weapons of Mass Destruction, including Nuclear and Chemical. Their claims of defense should not be taken lightly.
OOC: Can I play? I don't know what I can contribute, but I'll give it a shot.
IC: Karakas offers its support for Menelmacar and the blockade.
Economically and militarily we may not be able to contribute much, but would be willing to commit what we can.
Anyone who would attack ships containing humanitarian aid is a monster!
Canada-Germany
23-10-2003, 06:27
It was certainly wrong of New Hyborea to sell the elves into slavery. Second Rome does not condone these actions. However, the elves' uppance was bound to come, and Siri's actions are thus an assault on freedom in general. They are condoning despotism and fascism, and this cannot, and will not, be tolerated.
NOTE: Second Rome has a large, powerful, and rapidly growing economy, and thus has built up an impressive array of Weapons of Mass Destruction, including Nuclear and Chemical. Their claims of defense should not be taken lightly.
I ask again for your claims of support to be of humanitarian aid only.
It was certainly wrong of New Hyborea to sell the elves into slavery. Second Rome does not condone these actions. However, the elves' uppance was bound to come, and Siri's actions are thus an assault on freedom in general. They are condoning despotism and fascism, and this cannot, and will not, be tolerated.
NOTE: Second Rome has a large, powerful, and rapidly growing economy, and thus has built up an impressive array of Weapons of Mass Destruction, including Nuclear and Chemical. Their claims of defense should not be taken lightly.
Is this a joke?. Please, you can't be serious.
Admiral Atheril D'nan.
Canada-Germany
23-10-2003, 06:28
OOC: Can I play? I don't know what I can contribute, but I'll give it a shot.
IC: Karakas offers its support for Menelmacar and the blockade.
Economically and militarily we may not be able to contribute much, but would be willing to commit what we can.
Please, I'm sure your intentions are good, but we would ask if you do not interfer and potentially make a bad situation worse.
CG: all of our trade by nature is that of civilian use. Our military comprises of '70's russian technology and we have never developed nuclear or chemical weapons. This blockade hurts normal people.
OOC: A dropship is equivalent to a troop carrier...they're not for attacking. That's why they are dropships, and not gunboats.
IC: Second Rome offers its support of New Hyborea if the interdiction is not stopped. The interdiction is biased and unfair. The New Hyborean people were oppressed for generations, and cannot be expected to take it forever. The New Hyborean elves got what they deserved.
Second Rome will be sending it's navy first, in 1 day, followed by the air force in case of an attack on said navy (which consists of several trimaran ships with extra armaments). Second Rome is also equipped with nuclear armaments, and it's resolve should not be doubted.
Second Rome sincerely hopes that New Hyborea accepts our help.
OOC: Military Dropship.
IC: Attempt to blockade run, and your nation will be destroyed.
No, not your fleet, or the runners. Your entire nation. Everything that lives under your flag, men, women and children. All will be killed.
This is not a threat, this is a promise.
~Prince Alexander Black
You would annihilate an ENTIRE NATION for a blockade run? Are you INSANE?
Canada-Germany
23-10-2003, 06:32
CG: all of our trade by nature is that of civilian use. Our military comprises of '70's russian technology and we have never developed nuclear or chemical weapons. This blockade hurts normal people.
I know it does, and that is why I am encouraging humanitarian aid. But posturing on both sides does not help the issue.
Supplies of aid have been dispatched on 2 C-SOTL's, Tri 2-3.
Canada-Germany
23-10-2003, 06:33
You would annihilate an ENTIRE NATION for a blockade run? Are you INSANE?
Appearently, he is. However, let us not state what all of us already know. Instead, let us work together to try and avoid any military conplications.
OOC: A dropship is equivalent to a troop carrier...they're not for attacking. That's why they are dropships, and not gunboats.
IC: Second Rome offers its support of New Hyborea if the interdiction is not stopped. The interdiction is biased and unfair. The New Hyborean people were oppressed for generations, and cannot be expected to take it forever. The New Hyborean elves got what they deserved.
Second Rome will be sending it's navy first, in 1 day, followed by the air force in case of an attack on said navy (which consists of several trimaran ships with extra armaments). Second Rome is also equipped with nuclear armaments, and it's resolve should not be doubted.
Second Rome sincerely hopes that New Hyborea accepts our help.
OOC: Military Dropship.
IC: Attempt to blockade run, and your nation will be destroyed.
No, not your fleet, or the runners. Your entire nation. Everything that lives under your flag, men, women and children. All will be killed.
This is not a threat, this is a promise.
~Prince Alexander Black
That is a ridiculous claim. Military spending is our first and foremost concern, and we are no slacker when it comes to military. Also, we never claimed to attempt a blockade run. We simply stated that we are sending our support.
IC: That is godmoding, and if you attempt such an action, consequences will not be recognized.
Canada-Germany
23-10-2003, 06:43
Why don't you make like a *BuMp* and be run over!
Canada-Germany
23-10-2003, 06:44
OOC: A dropship is equivalent to a troop carrier...they're not for attacking. That's why they are dropships, and not gunboats.
IC: Second Rome offers its support of New Hyborea if the interdiction is not stopped. The interdiction is biased and unfair. The New Hyborean people were oppressed for generations, and cannot be expected to take it forever. The New Hyborean elves got what they deserved.
Second Rome will be sending it's navy first, in 1 day, followed by the air force in case of an attack on said navy (which consists of several trimaran ships with extra armaments). Second Rome is also equipped with nuclear armaments, and it's resolve should not be doubted.
Second Rome sincerely hopes that New Hyborea accepts our help.
OOC: Military Dropship.
IC: Attempt to blockade run, and your nation will be destroyed.
No, not your fleet, or the runners. Your entire nation. Everything that lives under your flag, men, women and children. All will be killed.
This is not a threat, this is a promise.
~Prince Alexander Black
That is a ridiculous claim. Military spending is our first and foremost concern, and we are no slacker when it comes to military. Also, we never claimed to attempt a blockade run. We simply stated that we are sending our support.
IC: That is godmoding, and if you attempt such an action, consequences will not be recognized.
OOC: look you're a starting out nation, he'd run you into the ground if he wanted. Lay back, build up, and challange him when you can kick his ass.
You would annihilate an ENTIRE NATION for a blockade run? Are you INSANE?
Yes, I would. Quite gladly.
And it's not godmodding. SR, I am fully capable of killing everyone that dwells within your nation with a mere fraction of my power.
New Hyborea is ready for the CG-NH joint panel to inspect the medicines and aid.
Canada-Germany
23-10-2003, 06:54
*Transmission from C-SOTL Tri-2*
This is C-SOTL Tri-2 to all blockaiding vessels. We are doing a humanitarian aid run. We ask that we are not harrassed. This aid has come from Menelmacar via C-G.
*End transmission*
Canada-Germany
23-10-2003, 06:54
You would annihilate an ENTIRE NATION for a blockade run? Are you INSANE?
Yes, I would. Quite gladly.
And it's not godmodding. SR, I am fully capable of killing everyone that dwells within your nation with a mere fraction of my power.
OOC: yes he is.
You would annihilate an ENTIRE NATION for a blockade run? Are you INSANE?
Yes, I would. Quite gladly.
And it's not godmodding. SR, I am fully capable of killing everyone that dwells within your nation with a mere fraction of my power.
I would like to note that not only could your economy NOT support the sort of power you imply, but what focus you -do- have on military is on defence, not offense. Please back down from these claims, as they can hold virtually no water.
Canada-Germany
23-10-2003, 06:58
You would annihilate an ENTIRE NATION for a blockade run? Are you INSANE?
Yes, I would. Quite gladly.
And it's not godmodding. SR, I am fully capable of killing everyone that dwells within your nation with a mere fraction of my power.
I would like to note that not only could your economy NOT support the sort of power you imply, but what focus you -do- have on military is on defence, not offense. Please back down from these claims, as they can hold virtually no water.
*cough* trust me buddy, he is very capable of carrying out his threat. His capabilities have been proven time and time again.
So please, I ask if you don't accuse him of telling falsehoods.
My economy is frightening, number one. Number two, that is the most ridiculous statement I have ever heard, and number three I am an older nation then you.
My military is designed for no other purpose than killing people.
I can spray chemicals into your cities from all over the globe if I want to.
Crimmond
23-10-2003, 07:01
Are you INSANE?Roania is quite insane and proves it regularly. Provoke him and you will not survive.... I've seen it happen before.
*cough* trust me buddy, he is very capable of carrying out his treat. His capabilities have been proven time and time again.
So please, I ask if you don't accuse him of telling falsehoods.
Describe to this fool what I did to Goebells and Himmler. Explain the casualties.
Are you INSANE?Roania is quite insane and proves it regularly. Provoke him and you will not survive.... I've seen it happen before.
I am not insane. I just have no respect for the rules of war.
Canada-Germany
23-10-2003, 07:03
*cough* trust me buddy, he is very capable of carrying out his treat. His capabilities have been proven time and time again.
So please, I ask if you don't accuse him of telling falsehoods.
Describe to this fool what I did to Goebells and Himmler. Explain the casualties.
OOC: hah hah, funny story that. I was RPing for another nation to provide a nice war RP and this fool over here, after I've nuked his soldiers, decides to utterly wipe out the populations of two cites.
*cough* trust me buddy, he is very capable of carrying out his treat. His capabilities have been proven time and time again.
So please, I ask if you don't accuse him of telling falsehoods.
Describe to this fool what I did to Goebells and Himmler. Explain the casualties.
OOC: hah hah, funny story that. I was RPing for another nation to provide a nice war RP and this fool over here, after I've nuked his soldiers, decides to utterly wipe out the populations of two cites.
OOC: Please bear in mind that
A) I was provoked, and compared to what that other guy did quite reasonable.
B) If I'm as evil as you think, calling me a fool is like asking to be wiped from the Earth.
Canada-Germany
23-10-2003, 07:07
*cough* trust me buddy, he is very capable of carrying out his treat. His capabilities have been proven time and time again.
So please, I ask if you don't accuse him of telling falsehoods.
Describe to this fool what I did to Goebells and Himmler. Explain the casualties.
OOC: hah hah, funny story that. I was RPing for another nation to provide a nice war RP and this fool over here, after I've nuked his soldiers, decides to utterly wipe out the populations of two cites.
OOC: Please bear in mind that
A) I was provoked, and compared to what that other guy did quite reasonable.
B) If I'm as evil as you think, calling me a fool is like asking to be wiped from the Earth.
OOC: yeah, the other guy decided to cover "my" nation in a layer of tibby crystals, heh heh.
Heh, unless you were an equal power to him, then both nations would be wiped from the earth, ^_^
OOC: Any way, back on topic...
IC: We order the fools of Second Rome to stand down.
Or else there will have to be a Third Rome.
News report:
"Up to one million people protested against the blockade and the threats against New Hyborea... Many of the protesters were unemployed due to the shut down the export industries.
Canada-Germany
23-10-2003, 07:12
OOC: Any way, back on topic...
IC: We order the fools of Second Rome to stand down.
Or else there will have to be a Third Rome.
OOC: *cough* you may want to deal with the message that my aid ships sent out.
Canada-Germany
23-10-2003, 07:13
*Transmission from C-SOTL Tri-2*
This is C-SOTL Tri-2 to all blockaiding vessels. We are doing a humanitarian aid run. We ask that we are not harrassed. This aid has come from Menelmacar via C-G.
*End transmission*
OOC: My bad, I think...I thought a frightening economy was an economy in the sh!thole. I have a pwerhouse economy, and I was assuming mine was better. Please excuse my mistake.
IC: Regardless, we are not taking part in a blockade run, so pelase don't accuse us of that. We are simply supporting a country wrongly blockaded.
Canada-Germany
23-10-2003, 07:14
OOC: My bad, I think...I thought a frightening economy was an economy in the sh!thole. I have a pwerhouse economy, and I was assuming mine was better. Please excuse my mistake.
IC: Regardless, we are not taking part in a blockade run, so pelase don't accuse us of that. We are simply supporting a country wrongly blockaded.
OOC: lol, well, mistakes are made all the time. it's ok man.
*Transmission from C-SOTL Tri-2*
This is C-SOTL Tri-2 to all blockaiding vessels. We are doing a humanitarian aid run. We ask that we are not harrassed. This aid has come from Menelmacar via C-G.
*End transmission*
"Please wait..." Captain Davis turned to the screen. "Look at all them protesters. I wonder when they are going to obey Empress Sirithril's demands?"
OOC: My bad, I think...I thought a frightening economy was an economy in the sh!thole. I have a pwerhouse economy, and I was assuming mine was better. Please excuse my mistake.
IC: Regardless, we are not taking part in a blockade run, so pelase don't accuse us of that. We are simply supporting a country wrongly blockaded.
OOC: Hmm...
IC: You will turn all your ships around immediately, and never darken our blockade again.
The Third Sea fleet cruises by the blockade and takes pictures for propaganda purposes.
"Another sign that the elves can't take what they dish out! It's digusting!"
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OOC: My bad, I think...I thought a frightening economy was an economy in the sh!thole. I have a pwerhouse economy, and I was assuming mine was better. Please excuse my mistake.
IC: Regardless, we are not taking part in a blockade run, so pelase don't accuse us of that. We are simply supporting a country wrongly blockaded.
OOC: Hmm...
IC: You will turn all your ships around immediately, and never darken our blockade again.
Absolutely not. The terms stated was that I would not be attacked unless I made a blockade run. I have done no such thing.
OOC: Almost completely destroyed?! WTF?! Nothing like that ever happened. This is godmoding to be sure, now, and I refuse to accept any claims you might make as to an attack.
Canada-Germany
23-10-2003, 07:21
*Transmission from C-SOTL Tri-2*
This is C-SOTL Tri-2 to all blockaiding vessels. We are doing a humanitarian aid run. We ask that we are not harrassed. This aid has come from Menelmacar via C-G.
*End transmission*
"Please wait..." Captain Davis turned to the screen. "Look at all them protesters. I wonder when they are going to obey Empress Sirithril's demands?"
OOC: My bad, I think...I thought a frightening economy was an economy in the sh!thole. I have a pwerhouse economy, and I was assuming mine was better. Please excuse my mistake.
IC: Regardless, we are not taking part in a blockade run, so pelase don't accuse us of that. We are simply supporting a country wrongly blockaded.
OOC: Hmm...
IC: You will turn all your ships around immediately, and never darken our blockade again.
*Transmission from C-SOTL Tri-2 to Roania ship/s*
We have 10 minutes until we reach your blockade line.
The international community is starting to rise up against this injustice! Everyone know who the aggressors are.
Canada-Germany
23-10-2003, 07:24
OOC: My bad, I think...I thought a frightening economy was an economy in the sh!thole. I have a pwerhouse economy, and I was assuming mine was better. Please excuse my mistake.
IC: Regardless, we are not taking part in a blockade run, so pelase don't accuse us of that. We are simply supporting a country wrongly blockaded.
OOC: Hmm...
IC: You will turn all your ships around immediately, and never darken our blockade again.
Absolutely not. The terms stated was that I would not be attacked unless I made a blockade run. I have done no such thing.
OOC: Almost completely destroyed?! WTF?! Nothing like that ever happened. This is godmoding to be sure, now, and I refuse to accept any claims you might make as to an attack.
OOC: *Cough* he means that he was about to push a butten that would... etc.
OOC: That's not how I saw it. How I saw it is that he intiated attacks on my Empire without first posting it, which is unacceptable.
The international community is starting to rise up against this injustice! Everyone know who the aggressors are.OOC: *looks around* You sure as Hell better not be talking about me... I'm not suicidal enough to take on a Menelmacar blockade, let alone one backed up by Roania, on my own...
I'm in Arda, trash talking the elves is a requirement...
OOC: My bad, I think...I thought a frightening economy was an economy in the sh!thole. I have a pwerhouse economy, and I was assuming mine was better. Please excuse my mistake.
IC: Regardless, we are not taking part in a blockade run, so pelase don't accuse us of that. We are simply supporting a country wrongly blockaded.
OOC: Hmm...
IC: You will turn all your ships around immediately, and never darken our blockade again.
Absolutely not. The terms stated was that I would not be attacked unless I made a blockade run. I have done no such thing.
OOC: Almost completely destroyed?! WTF?! Nothing like that ever happened. This is godmoding to be sure, now, and I refuse to accept any claims you might make as to an attack.
You were almost completely destroyed, and just managed to save your sorry arse.
I was about to render you into dust. I'm not. Anything wrong? Now, turn those ships around or its war.
Canada-Germany
23-10-2003, 07:27
OOC: That's not how I saw it. How I saw it is that he intiated attacks on my Empire without first posting it, which is unacceptable.
OOC: it would have been unacceptable, but, that's not how he ment it, so, ^^
Canada-Germany
23-10-2003, 07:28
*Update*
Aid ships are 3 minutes away from blockade.
Before Second Rome departs the region, we would like to know what reasons Roania has to back up this blockade.
We would like to let New Hyborea know that they have our unwavering support in case of an attack.
Second Rome, New Hyborea thanks you. We will never surrender.
Our troops are standing by to recieve the aid ships.
Menelmacar
23-10-2003, 08:34
The ships should be arriving soon. Please be aware that the aid is only in the form of bare essentials: medicines, raw staple foodstuffs like grain, that sort of thing. Anything more luxurious than that is held back, and most civilian communications are still being jammed. Of course, you could end this blockade with but a word.
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We just spent the last few decades as the servants elves! We dont intend to start serving Menelmacar!
OOC: Ive finished work. I probably wont be able to contribute to this thread for about 12 hours.
Lavenrunz
23-10-2003, 08:43
The Empire of Lavenrunz endorses the Menelmacari policey with absolute firmness.
- Empress Joanna von Sachshausen
Menelmacar
23-10-2003, 08:45
We're not asking you to serve us. Just to hand over the people responsible, provide fair compensation and a public apology, and to limit your military in future to a certain amount. It's very simple indeed. Aside from that, there are no strings attached.
You say the compensation is unfair - you took from them roughly 87% of their holdings and refuse to give back even 2% of that after branding and enslaving them? Surely at least an apology is warranted? What if I can get them to apologize to you? And they've already paid their damages. All I ask is some reciprocation.
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Canada-Germany
23-10-2003, 08:54
And the trial has begun...
OOC: think I should make a new thread for it?
Menelmacar
23-10-2003, 09:08
OOC: Yeah, this one's getting long, and we can use it for blockade running if we want. Put the trial separate.
Also, surely some of those Elves have been cleared by the investigation previous to trial. While some of them might be criminals I have a hard time believing they all are.
~Siri
Canada-Germany
23-10-2003, 09:12
OOC: Yeah, this one's getting long, and we can use it for blockade running if we want. Put the trial separate.
Also, surely some of those Elves have been cleared by the investigation previous to trial. While some of them might be criminals I have a hard time believing they all are.
~Siri
OOC: KK, the trial's gonna have to start tommorow as it's getting a might late right now and I still have 2 lectures to go to tommorow, oh, the joys of Bio, ^^;;
A few have, mostly children and those that have not reached adulthood. But most of the children have parents and we do not feel that seperating the family would be a good idea as yet.
Menelmacar
23-10-2003, 09:14
Well, even the majority of the adults would, logically, be (relatively) innocent in all this... you're talking about 110,000 people here.
~Siri
Canada-Germany
23-10-2003, 09:16
Very true, however, we are talking about a ruling government body here so, unfortunetly, adults that were complicent with crimes may also be charged, though under less strict charges.
Menelmacar
23-10-2003, 09:19
Well, it's your court... but your judges must have an awful lot of time on their hands. With that many cases, you might want to pick your battles, y'know? This isn't the Nuremburg tribunals, and these Elves, though not the most equitable of rulers, weren't exactly Nazis.
~Siri
Before Second Rome departs the region, we would like to know what reasons Roania has to back up this blockade.
We would like to let New Hyborea know that they have our unwavering support in case of an attack.
Because we support our allies.
Canada-Germany
23-10-2003, 17:07
Well, it's your court... but your judges must have an awful lot of time on their hands. With that many cases, you might want to pick your battles, y'know? This isn't the Nuremburg tribunals, and these Elves, though not the most equitable of rulers, weren't exactly Nazis.
~Siri
Eh, the judges are bored, we don't have many crimes of this caliber in our country
-PM Ipkiss
Flocarga and Delmarva
23-10-2003, 22:34
Perhaps I can offer some radical solution to the problem.
Divide the country into two, give half to humans. Give half to elvens. Leave a demilitarized zone at the border - 1 mile long - where international peacekeepers can serve.
Crimmond
23-10-2003, 22:41
Perhaps I can offer some radical solution to the problem.
Divide the country into two, give half to humans. Give half to elvens. Leave a demilitarized zone at the border - 1 mile long - where international peacekeepers can serve.
ARE YOU CRAZY?! Never! We have suffered the oppression of the elves for too long!
ARE YOU CRAZY?! Never! We have suffered the oppression of the elves for too long
we are prepared for anything... mothers are preparing their sons for martyrdom.
Menelmacar
24-10-2003, 05:21
A decision on your part to resort to terrorism of any kind will force us to engage in open war. We have no respect for terrorists, and following such path will cost you whatever sympathy your past has earned you. And we will act accordingly.
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President Adams of Karakas formally asks Menelmacar what actions his government can take to support the Menelmacari interdiction regime.
Menelmacar
24-10-2003, 05:38
Karakas: If you have naval vessels available, or aircraft suitable for patrolling, you may contribute forces.
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*checks records* Currently there are three Coast Guard interdiction units available, of five ships each. These could be deployed via the port of Adailton.
Ordinarily more might be available, but finances are a little tight at the moment and we are trying to keep logistical costs down where possible.
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Menelmacar
24-10-2003, 05:44
Excellent. You may deploy at your convenience. You are not obligated to join this operation, though, and we do not wish to cause your nation undue hardship or financial stress.
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Flocarga and Delmarva
24-10-2003, 06:35
we are prepared for anything... mothers are preparing their sons for martyrdom.
We banned suicide bombings using elves, the only ones trained in the act. We have not yet converted prisoners to that mentality, but trust us - we'd have enough prepared for die for the nation.
Are you truly prepared for anything?
Very well.
Lady Sirithril, we request permission to begin full bombardment of these recalitrants.
Menelmacar
24-10-2003, 07:31
No. We will wait. I should hope they are bluffing.
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Canada-Germany
24-10-2003, 07:44
I too do hope that they are bluffing.
Come if you wish. It will be a Day of Infamy when you try to crush the free human beings of New Hyborea. My people thirst for the blood of the Elven aggressors!
Canada-Germany
24-10-2003, 07:45
OOC: bah, been out all day, haven't been able to start the trial yet, ^^;;
Canada-Germany
24-10-2003, 07:50
Come if you wish. It will be a Day of Infamy when you try to crush the free human beings of New Hyborea. My people thirst for the blood of the Elven aggressors!
Let us replace the word "when" with "if". IF they crush you, then fight back, but if they are not trying any direct military action, try not to bring on their wraith.
Its too late. The Governing Council and the Emperor have decided to export goods that have been piled up in our ports. Simply, we will run the blockade. I call on all humans to stand up to the insidious Elves!
Canada-Germany
24-10-2003, 07:59
The government of C-G implores NH to not try and run the blockade.
CG- the Government of NH is broke. we relied on our export industries to support our people. We are on the verge of economic collapse and hardship for our people. It seems that freedom can only be bought with blood.
Excellent. You may deploy at your convenience. You are not obligated to join this operation, though, and we do not wish to cause your nation undue hardship or financial stress.
Your concern is much appreciated by the Government. :D However, you do not need to worry - the Finance Department projects that the operation will be well within the current budget.
The ships will be ordered to deploy at once. To reiterate: Each group is made up of five ships, ranging in size from small to medium. Armaments are mostly medium-range surface-to-surface and surface-to-air weaponry, including missiles and torpedoes. Each group also incorporates around 50 marine commandos for boarding vessels.
Menelmacar
24-10-2003, 08:35
CG- the Government of NH is broke. we relied on our export industries to support our people. We are on the verge of economic collapse and hardship for our people. It seems that freedom can only be bought with blood.
With but a single word you could end this blockade.
A dear friend of mine once told me: "Never sacrifice your people for your principles." I urge you to follow her advice.
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No. We will wait. I should hope they are bluffing.
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Far be it from us to argue with you. However, we feel that this could be a mistake.
Let it be known that all blockade runners shall be dealt with most harshly.
So speaks Alexander Black, Prince of Roania. For I speak for the prince and council in this matter.
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Canada-Germany
24-10-2003, 09:43
CG- the Government of NH is broke. we relied on our export industries to support our people. We are on the verge of economic collapse and hardship for our people. It seems that freedom can only be bought with blood.
With but a single word you could end this blockade.
A dear friend of mine once told me: "Never sacrifice your people for your principles." I urge you to follow her advice.
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You would risk economic collapse of a country to sooth your need for what you believe to be justice?
C-G askes that both countries back down and count their blessings over the fact that as yet, little blood has been spilled. Now, it is known that neither side wants to spill blood, but that both sides will if they feel they have to.
Let it be known, neither side has to.
Sirithil nos Fëanor, Elentári of the Eternal Noldorin Empire of Menelmacar, I call on your nation to prove wrong all those that accuse you of being blinded by your biases. Show them that you are not blinded by biases and can show that you too may rise about your principles to save lives. Though these are not your people... might you not want to avoid their deaths if at all possible? I ask that you stand down your blockade and find other roads in which you can pursue your goals on.
To the embattled nation of New Hyborea. Please, terrorism is not the answer. Let no more blood be spilled on the accounts of criminals, lest they win in the end.
Myself, Guardian Protecter Jee Leng Tan stand with the Canada-Germany Prime Minister Stanley Ipkiss, along with all the people of C-G ask that no further blood be shown the sunlight. Not when the real criminals would profit.
The blockade is under our control now, as the Menelmacari military is busy elsewhere, and needs to be freed up.
And we will not relent until the government of New Hyperborea agrees to Sirithril's demands.
We are fully willing to completely destroy the country in order to get what she demanded, as well as payment for our time. If you wish peace, you will go through us.
The situation is desperate. The Emperor is a reasonable and pragmatic man. But the people would slit his throat if he backed down.
We can apologise for the treatment of the Elves for the last few months. But the Elves have to recognise that they brought it on themselves for treating human beings like animals fit only for manual labor.
As for the WMD, it is because of threats like this that small nations want to develop WMD. we have never possesed such weapons and we wonder why we should be punished for something we never had. If the nations of Elves disarm their WMD then I promise the New Hyborea will never develop such weapons.
Canada-Germany
24-10-2003, 09:59
There is then, in spite of the Roania hardliners, a ray of hope?
Sirithil, NH is willing to make some consessions if only the blockade would be lifted. Might you take this as an offering of further peace and lift the blockade, while still pursuing your agenda?
-Prime Minister Stanley Ipkiss
OOC: What, you think I'm an elven nation? I'm not. Roania is a 98% human nation.
By the way, surrender or die is what most villians say right about now, so...
SURRENDER, OR DIE, PUNY HAIRY MAN!
Canada-Germany
24-10-2003, 10:01
OOC: What, you think I'm an elven nation? I'm not. Roania is a 98% human nation.
By the way, surrender or die is what most villians say right about now, so...
SURRENDER, OR DIE, PUNY HAIRY MAN!
OOC: that entire comment was OOC right? lol. I know you're not a elven nation, but that doesn't mean you're not a hardliner.
Geez man, I'm working my tail off to stop a conflict... and you're just being a warmongering n00b, :P :lol:
There is then, in spite of the Roania hardliners, a ray of hope?
Sirithil, NH is willing to make some consessions if only the blockade would be lifted. Might you take this as an offering of further peace and lift the blockade, while still pursuing your agenda?
-Prime Minister Stanley Ipkiss
OOC: Only a direct order from Menelmacar can call my forces off. You are talking to the wrong person, though. It's my blockade.
IC
Canada-Germany
24-10-2003, 10:05
OOC: well, since that message was directed to Siri, lol.
OOC: well, since that message was directed to Siri, lol.
Yes, but if you tried to negotiate with me..., see, when I pull out I intend to completely pollute all the water near New Hyperborea. Make it useless.
Canada-Germany
24-10-2003, 10:17
OOC: then I would ask that you expect none of your crafts to make it back to their home port/base. My fleet has been quietly mobilising while these talks have been going on. The second my scouts see your forces fucking with the ocean, my forces are gonna come screaming out, and, chances are, cream most of your collective ass before you have much of a chance to respond. due to the surprise factor.
Approximately 40% of the NH people are reliant on the food from the sea... you propose genocide!
Canada-Germany
24-10-2003, 10:21
Approximately 40% of the NH people are reliant on the food from the sea... you propose genocide!
OOC: that was a OOC statement. Don't reply IC to it.
98% human eh? It seems like the elves are running the show in your country.
OOC: then I would ask that you expect none of your crafts to make it back to their home port/base.
Translation: I want to become a poisonous gas filled crater.
Is that what you are saying? Because if you even touch my ships, then I turn your entire nation into Himmler, on a large scale, with missiles and long range ordinance used as well as chemical weapons.
Capish?
Tell me, where do you think we would compare in the military stakes list?
Canada-Germany
24-10-2003, 10:23
98% human eh? It seems like the elves are running the show in your country.
OOC: was this a IC or a OOC statment?
Canada-Germany
24-10-2003, 10:24
OOC: then I would ask that you expect none of your crafts to make it back to their home port/base.
Translation: I want to become a poisonous gas filled crater.
Is that what you are saying? Because if you even touch my ships, then I turn your entire nation into Himmler, on a large scale, with missiles and long range ordinance used as well as chemical weapons.
Capish?
Tell me, where do you think we would compare in the military stakes list?
OOC: I have some very unconventional weapons at home, lol. and, I ain't some new nation just waiting to be pounced on. Trust me, as much as you are a big bad nation, and as much as you might possibly be able to destroy my country, the events that would happen after would be very displeasing to you.
OOC: then I would ask that you expect none of your crafts to make it back to their home port/base.
Translation: I want to become a poisonous gas filled crater.
Is that what you are saying? Because if you even touch my ships, then I turn your entire nation into Himmler, on a large scale, with missiles and long range ordinance used as well as chemical weapons.
Capish?
Tell me, where do you think we would compare in the military stakes list?
OOC: I have some very unconventional weapons at home, lol. and, I ain't some new nation just waiting to be pounced on.
1/4 of my total military budget is devoted to WMD. That has not been changed. I have access to radiological weapons, c hemical weapons, biological weapons, acid weapons... militarised tetrachloramethanes...
I have no nukes, but I prefer to see people suffer.
Canada-Germany
24-10-2003, 10:28
OOC: like I said, some very un-conventional weapons at home.
That was an IC comment.
The elves only comprised 3% of our population but controlled everything. CG, do you know if elves control Roania?
Canada-Germany
24-10-2003, 10:28
btw: the entire message was:
OOC: I have some very unconventional weapons at home, lol. and, I ain't some new nation just waiting to be pounced on. Trust me, as much as you are a big bad nation, and as much as you might possibly be able to destroy my country, the events that would happen after would be very displeasing to you.
Canada-Germany
24-10-2003, 10:29
That was an IC comment.
The elves only comprised 3% of our population but controlled everything. CG, do you know if elves control Roania?
You shouldn't comment IC to something that was said OOC, though the info on him might be publicly avalible, I doubt that you would have it on hand, and as the rest of your info sources are blocked...
btw: the entire message was:
OOC: I have some very unconventional weapons at home, lol. and, I ain't some new nation just waiting to be pounced on. Trust me, as much as you are a big bad nation, and as much as you might possibly be able to destroy my country, the events that would happen after would be very displeasing to you.
Did you honestly think I would put boots on the ground when I can destroy you from a distance? :shock:
Any way, back on topic...
IC: The Roanian Forces prepared to commence bombardment of New Hyperborea. A message was broadcast to the emperor. "Surrender to Lady Sirithril's demands, or suffer an agonising and horrible death."
Canada-Germany
24-10-2003, 10:35
btw: the entire message was:
OOC: I have some very unconventional weapons at home, lol. and, I ain't some new nation just waiting to be pounced on. Trust me, as much as you are a big bad nation, and as much as you might possibly be able to destroy my country, the events that would happen after would be very displeasing to you.
Did you honestly think I would put boots on the ground when I can destroy you from a distance? :shock:
Any way, back on topic...
IC: The Roanian Forces prepared to commence bombardment of New Hyperborea. A message was broadcast to the emperor. "Surrender to Lady Sirithril's demands, or suffer an agonising and horrible death."
OOC: do you think I would risk everything on a contingincy plan that required someone to put boots on the ground? O.o
IC: Menelcamar has said nothing about an attack apon NH territory, only that it should be blockaded.
The Emperor ask the people what they wanted to do about the Roanian demands via a referendum. The results: 98% percent reject the Roanian demands.
Canada-Germany
24-10-2003, 10:43
OOC: holy hell, lol, I vote that we put a pause on posting any more IC stuff till Menelcamar can post her response to my message.
News Report:
Tonight all over New Hyborea people are flocked to churches to make peace with god. But they are grimly determined to die as a free people than live as slaves...
IC: What the Elentari doesn't know can't hurt her. We are acting for her benefit. People must learn that to oppose the forces of light means supporting the forces of darkness.
And that is a capital offense. Not only do they charge these innocent elves with the crime of slavery, but they are also Athiests and subversents.
The Gravships lowered their weapons and picked out targets around the coastline.
Canada-Germany
24-10-2003, 17:07
IC: What the Elentari doesn't know can't hurt her. We are acting for her benefit. People must learn that to oppose the forces of light means supporting the forces of darkness.
And that is a capital offense. Not only do they charge these innocent elves with the crime of slavery, but they are also Athiests and subversents.
The Gravships lowered their weapons and picked out targets around the coastline.
IC: What is your stance on criminals Roania? Do you prefer to let them go? Do you prefer to let them win? Because if you do, then fire on NH, and show the criminals that they can get away with murder.
The international community is starting to rise up against this injustice! Everyone know who the aggressors are.
The international community gives you the finger. No amount of injustice done to your people justify oppressing your own people nor selling them, especially not to slave labor nations. Moreover, you have produced exactly zero evidence to the community of the crimes you claim to have happened. Your self-righteous attitude can only worsen this situation. We hope that the whole matter will end peacefully for all peoples involved, but you have only yourself to blame for your current situation.
However, we offer to send you a team of neutral observers who will independantly report what happens in New Hyborea to the international community.
Canada-Germany
24-10-2003, 23:32
The international community is starting to rise up against this injustice! Everyone know who the aggressors are.
The international community gives you the finger. No amount of injustice done to your people justify oppressing your own people nor selling them, especially not to slave labor nations. Moreover, you have produced exactly zero evidence to the community of the crimes you claim to have happened. Your self-righteous attitude can only worsen this situation. We hope that the whole matter will end peacefully for all peoples involved, but you have only yourself to blame for your current situation.
However, we offer to send you a team of neutral observers who will independantly report what happens in New Hyborea to the international community.
That was... unhelpful. You're bring quite self righteous yourself. Do you know exactly what the non-elven population of NH went through? No, neither do I. We only have what they have told us, and what they have told us sounds pretty damn bad. Indeed, we DO have evidence that they have given us, independantly varifiable, and it does look damning to some of the former government.
So, why don't you try getting down off your soap box and find a better way to phrase your message.
News report:
Agents of New Hyborea blew up a disco in Crimmond late last night. With the borders being sealed for the last 800 years we have no idea how they got in...OOC: Although I am tempted to ask what the hell a disco is doing in my nation, why you god modded and stated a loss for me and ignored the proper RP standards... I will accept this.
IC:
You're treadin' on thin ice fool!
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IC: What the Elentari doesn't know can't hurt her. We are acting for her benefit. People must learn that to oppose the forces of light means supporting the forces of darkness.
And that is a capital offense. Not only do they charge these innocent elves with the crime of slavery, but they are also Athiests and subversents.
The Gravships lowered their weapons and picked out targets around the coastline.
IC: What is your stance on criminals Roania? Do you prefer to let them go? Do you prefer to let them win? Because if you do, then fire on NH, and show the criminals that they can get away with murder.
Our stance is that everyone is innocent until proven guilty. These elves are innocent. From what we have seen of the Hyperboreans, they are fit for nothing more than menial labour, and any prisoners will assuredly be reprogrammed to serve the principality as suboid labourers.
Flocarga and Delmarva
25-10-2003, 07:58
From what I've read, both have experienced some sort of slavery at one point or another. So why not just have the split nation deal?
You'll end up worse than the Koreas. But it's an idea.
*Broadcast into New Hyperborea*
[cheesy commentary]Just a few days remain until NH Day, when the Roanian blockade force marches in and puts the entire nation of New Hyperborea to the sword. And the Legions are ready and raring to go! We spoke to Captain Jefferies of the second squadron of the first Legion.
"Well, from what I've been told, we're going to first launch biological and chemical weapons against military positions. That's always fun! Then, we're going to offer the Emperor one last chance to surrender. If he accepts then we just pillage the treasury for the elves, and take a few billion for our selves. If he refuses, we turn our big cannons against civilian targets, mainly the capital and the area around the palace. After we do that for a little while, possibly killing millions, the Legions land and commence conquering and killing and what have you. Afterwards, we get back into our dropships and gravships, and return to the orbital fleet, ortillary the survivors, and then fly home!"
Yes, and I am sure we are all waiting for our boys in red standard issue power armor to come back victorious, and with plenty of more menial labourers to be turned into suboids! That is, of course, if the Emperor refuses to surrender, and I am sure he is perfectly willing to surrender, or perhaps his people will revolt! Isn't this an exciting time?[/cheesy commentary]
OOC: Aww... there's no-one around to say anything about my beautiful propaganda? I'm wasted on you people! :cry: :evil:
OOC: I dissappeared from this thread for about 15 pages, so what has happend?
OOC: I dissappeared from this thread for about 15 pages, so what has happend?A lot of posturing and semi-n00bishness, really
OOC: I dissappeared from this thread for about 15 pages, so what has happend?A lot of posturing and semi-n00bishness, really
ohh okay, ao in other words, just normal NationStates?
OOC: I dissappeared from this thread for about 15 pages, so what has happend?A lot of posturing and semi-n00bishness, really
ohh okay, ao in other words, just normal NationStates?yeah, pretty much
Menelmacar
25-10-2003, 10:25
Roania: That's it. Go home. Get out of my blockade, now.
New Hyborea: I will see what I can do about getting the Elven leaders to publicly apologize for their part in all this. If we can do that, will you agree to the requirements, so we can go home and you can start getting trade shipments again?
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That was... unhelpful. You're bring quite self righteous yourself. Do you know exactly what the non-elven population of NH went through? No, neither do I. We only have what they have told us, and what they have told us sounds pretty damn bad. Indeed, we DO have evidence that they have given us, independantly varifiable, and it does look damning to some of the former government.
So, why don't you try getting down off your soap box and find a better way to phrase your message.
Correction; you have evidence, we have none. My message may be blunt, but I still find it addressing the situation perfectly. Civil right crimes done by the previous government do not justify more such violations by the current, and you know this. At best it is an explanation. This is a truism; it has nothing to do with my attitude and policies whatsoever.
New Hyborea has put itself in this sorry situation. We do not intend to be involved, the current disagreement is betewen them and Menelmacar. We have already offered to present New Hyborea with a third, neutral channel to give the true version to the world. If this is not to their pleasing, we can only surmise that New Hyborea do not want the truth to known, withdraw the offer and hope that this sorry situation turns out well. But this is if the offer is turned down; we still hope for a positive response in the matter.
How is this for an offer. We offer up another 3% of our nations wealth MINUS the share of those elves found to be guilty of human rights abuse.
Our Emperor is the symbol of our nation - we cant offer him or other revolutionaries to be executed or subjected to trail.
As for WMD - at the moment we possess none, nor are we developing any. New Hyborea threatens no nation nor has territorial ambition. IF in the future New Hyborea were to acquire such weapons it would be for self defense from maniacs like roania.
This is a honorable offer - I hope you accept it and show your mercy to the New Hyborean people.
Flocarga and Delmarva
25-10-2003, 19:21
This 3 or 6% of wealth you're offering to give. Where does this total come from, and what would get this payoff?
OOC: Right. Sorry about that. Was in a bad mood, and I was getting a little irritated by CG's self righteousness.
OOC: we already gave up 3% of our total wealth and it sits in a bank account with the UN waiting for distribution. The additional 3% will be given to elves that were expelled, minus the criminal elves.
The Karakas Coast Guard has little to report from the blockade zone. The KNS Crazy Horse reports that its interdiction group detained a Hyborean fishing vessel, but found no illegal materials aboard. The vessel was released in a prompt manner.
Edit: continuity.
OOC: Sorry? The only vessels I have are military, and are returning to home port because someone didn't understand what Propaganda is.
OOC: Sorry, I meant "Hyborean". Apparently I forgot how to read. :(
OOC: NH, I sent you a telegram about a business arrangment between our countries.
Canada-Germany
26-10-2003, 03:47
OOC: Right. Sorry about that. Was in a bad mood, and I was getting a little irritated by CG's self righteousness.
OOC: dude.. I'm role playing. That's what my guy does. He goes on T.V and trys and shame you/conjole you/convince you to back off, ^^;;
Canada-Germany
26-10-2003, 03:51
That was... unhelpful. You're bring quite self righteous yourself. Do you know exactly what the non-elven population of NH went through? No, neither do I. We only have what they have told us, and what they have told us sounds pretty damn bad. Indeed, we DO have evidence that they have given us, independantly varifiable, and it does look damning to some of the former government.
So, why don't you try getting down off your soap box and find a better way to phrase your message.
Correction; you have evidence, we have none. My message may be blunt, but I still find it addressing the situation perfectly. Civil right crimes done by the previous government do not justify more such violations by the current, and you know this. At best it is an explanation. This is a truism; it has nothing to do with my attitude and policies whatsoever.
New Hyborea has put itself in this sorry situation. We do not intend to be involved, the current disagreement is betewen them and Menelmacar. We have already offered to present New Hyborea with a third, neutral channel to give the true version to the world. If this is not to their pleasing, we can only surmise that New Hyborea do not want the truth to known, withdraw the offer and hope that this sorry situation turns out well. But this is if the offer is turned down; we still hope for a positive response in the matter.
Canada-Germany is neutral. We have neither condemned NH or Menelcamar nor the elves surrently held in dentention (OOC: sorry for not writing the trial yet, real life is interviened, Midterms are a bitch and Ruck Marches suck ass), and have only tried to bring about peace in all areas of this conflict.
Canada-Germany
26-10-2003, 04:53
Like, you're going along a road and suddenly you hit this *BUMP* at very high speeds and your car flips around killing you grusomely.
"Shep, I'm here at the Rose Tower, where there are extraordinary scenes taking place. Several hundred protestors entered the compound at around lunchtime . . ."
[Camera pans right to show protestors waving signs and chanting. The words are not intelligible at this range.]
". . . and have remained here. They are apparently protesting the involvement of Coast Guard units in the blockade of New Hyboria, and - hold on, Shep, I'm being told the leader wishes to talk with us."
[A tall, wiry man walks on camera. He wears glasses and a long beard, and a t-shirt emblazoned with the slogan "Give Peace a Chance".]
Man: Is this thing on?
"Yes -"
Man: New Hyboria is dying because of the imperialist actions of Menelmacar and Karakas! The government must disengage its colonial death machine from Hyboria immediately!
[Interrupted by sounds of shouting. Several large booming sounds are heard.]
"It looks like the police are dispersing the protestors. They seem to be firing canisters of tear gas . . . I think we'd better get out of here! Turn the camera off!"
Man: Death to Adams the fascist!
[Unintelligible sounds of people's voices, gunfire]
Flocarga and Delmarva
26-10-2003, 07:11
Is this rebellion in your nation or in NH?
OOC: In Karakas. And I wasn't really thinking of a rebellion - more like an isolated disturbance.
OOC: just waiting for memnelcar's response to my offer.
Canada-Germany is neutral. We have neither condemned NH or Menelcamar nor the elves surrently held in dentention (OOC: sorry for not writing the trial yet, real life is interviened, Midterms are a bitch and Ruck Marches suck ass), and have only tried to bring about peace in all areas of this conflict.
We also remain neutral, though we are glad to note that the situation is getting resolved.
[ooc: Yeah, I know all about not having enough time.]
Flocarga and Delmarva
26-10-2003, 22:41
How are the elven-human relations in your nation currently?
We will take some of the elves if it remains a problem. We prefer Christians, although we can always convert them when they get here.
Esamopia
27-10-2003, 03:59
"Menelmacar!! We demand that you end this obvious attempt at imperial ambition and causing the unnecessary suffering of a tiny nation. While we may not have the arms to confront you militarily, we will not remain silent as New Hyperobians die because of the lack of food and medical supplies, nor will we allow you to crush their economy!
Accept their generous counter-offer, end this blockade, and all will be well."
Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
Undersecretary of International Outrages
Seal of Esamopia
Authorities in the Karakasian protectorate of Adailton seized a local merchant ship as it was leaving harbor, finding it to be carrying illegal weapons. The crew confessed that New Hyborea was their intended destination.
In the blockade zone itself, no incidents were reported, other than one sailor receiving slight injuries in an accident on deck.
"Menelmacar!! We demand that you end this obvious attempt at imperial ambition and causing the unnecessary suffering of a tiny nation. While we may not have the arms to confront you militarily, we will not remain silent as New Hyperobians die because of the lack of food and medical supplies, nor will we allow you to crush their economy!
Accept their generous counter-offer, end this blockade, and all will be well."
Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
Undersecretary of International Outrages
Seal of Esamopia
You dissect and torture elves, that are sentient and living things, and now you claim to defend the rights of the people of another country. You are nothing that a coward and an hypocrite.
Duchess Celesstrianna Paelisi, Chief of Foreign Affairs.
Esamopia
27-10-2003, 05:43
"Menelmacar!! We demand that you end this obvious attempt at imperial ambition and causing the unnecessary suffering of a tiny nation. While we may not have the arms to confront you militarily, we will not remain silent as New Hyperobians die because of the lack of food and medical supplies, nor will we allow you to crush their economy!
Accept their generous counter-offer, end this blockade, and all will be well."
Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
Undersecretary of International Outrages
Seal of Esamopia
You dissect and torture elves, that are sentient and living things, and now you claim to defend the rights of the people of another country. You are nothing that a coward and an hypocrite.
Duchess Celesstrianna Paelisi, Chief of Foreign Affairs.
WE have not "dissected" anything yet... and I believe the correct term would be performing an autopsy... unless you think them nothing more than animals.
We are definitely not hypocrites, although the cowardace charge may stick... though we don't consider a demand on Menelmacar the action of cowards. :wink:
I simply do not understand why they have not responded to the New Hyperboleans offer, and why they do not simply end their inhumane embargo...
The New Hyborean Emperor speaks:
It seems Memnelcar is silent. I hear there are many internal problems in her country and she is no longer able to deal with this situation... Therefore I have instructed the Imperial Liberation Navy of New Hyborea to escort in and out of New Hyborea all trade, and to defend against those that would attempt to enforce this illegal embargo.
The first ships are at sea as I speak...
Esamopia
27-10-2003, 06:18
The New Hyborean Emperor speaks:
It seems Memnelcar is silent. I hear there are many internal problems in her country and she is no longer able to deal with this situation... Therefore I have instructed the Imperial Liberation Navy of New Hyborea to escort in and out of New Hyborea all trade, and to defend against those that would attempt to enforce this illegal embargo.
The first ships are at sea as I speak...
OOC: I believe it would be a prudent measure... just allow Memnelcar (or w/e their name is) some more time (I sent a TG) to respond. If it does not, then it is obviously no longer involved in the interdiction, which means that trade can be restored.
"Internal problems" in Menelmacar. You have to be kidding. We want to cooperate in helping to raise the embargo, but we need to know the current state of the elven population within your borders
There is not a single elf left in New Hyborea. All were relocated to Canada-Germany which is why this bloackade is so senseless.
The ships are still on their way. Siri can attack or accept our peace offer.
Well, if there's no elves inside your country, the embargo should be lifted. However, we will wait the Lady Sirithil's decision about this matter.
Menelmacar
27-10-2003, 09:04
We will accept the offer with one condition; we will drop the demand that the 'revolutionaries' be handed over for trial, but instead they must step down from their positions in the government, and a new government must be formed.
With regard to the ships, the Interdiction is still in place until we reach a final agreement. Thus it would behoove you to turn them back before we are forced to sink them.
OOC: I was having connection troubles on Saturday and most of Sunday. Sowwy. :(
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Elentári of the Eternal Noldorin Empire of Menelmacar
Chancellor of CENNA
"We have known freedom's price. We have shown freedom's power. We will see freedom's victory."
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The Emperor speaks:
People of New Hyborea... I hereby step down from my position and the Grand Council has also dissolved itself. I know many of you think we should stand on principal, but the greatest principal to me is the well-being of the New Hyborean people. A new generation of leaders must be chosen by you the people. I trust the people.
My retirement is effective immeadiately. Let me introduce you to the caretaker government which will run the country for one month until elections can take place...
Menelmacar
27-10-2003, 09:53
Menelmacar applauds the decision of the Emperor and Grand Council to step down from their positions. As such, the Interdiction will be lifted. We will withdraw our ships save one, which will remain until elections have been completed. The jamming has already been lifted and communications may recommence. Ships and aircraft will also now be permitted to cross the former blockade line.
We wish the best of luck to the New Hyborean people in their new era. If any aid is required we will gladly provide it.
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Chancellor of CENNA
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Actually years of domination by elves have left New Hyboreans with a deep interest in things elven. The New Hyborean people desire peaceful trade and cultural interchange with Memnelcar. New Hyboreans are quick to anger and quick to forgive, which is why they now regret treating the elves the same way they treated us.
Let peace bloom...
OOC: Thats the end of the epic. There is still a trial left and lots of drama, but thats up to CG if he wants to pursue it.
Menelmacar
27-10-2003, 10:14
Indeed! This is a most pleasant and rather surprising turn of events, one which pleases me greatly. I would gladly agree to peaceful relations, and a cultural exchange. Perhaps greater things, like free trade, also lie in the future.
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Chancellor of CENNA
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Esamopia
27-10-2003, 16:10
Indeed! This is a most pleasant and rather surprising turn of events, one which pleases me greatly. I would gladly agree to peaceful relations, and a cultural exchange. Perhaps greater things, like free trade, also lie in the future.
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Elentári of the Eternal Noldorin Empire of Menelmacar
Chancellor of CENNA
"We have known freedom's price. We have shown freedom's power. We will see freedom's victory."
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OOC: Dang it!! I had a brilliant way of getting past the interdiction, but I guess that will have to wait for the future... I still think that the removal of the government from power was a bit harsh, but in the end the crisis was resolved peacefully, more than I can say about many other NS cirses. Congratulations to you all, good RP!
Menelmacar
27-10-2003, 16:12
OOC: Interdiction should be capitalized... it's a Menelmacari thing. ^_^ Other than that... I look forward to thwarting your brilliant plan in a future Interdiction. :twisted:
~Siri
What are the main export products of your country?. Maybe we're interested in starting a trade relationships. As we speak we're sending some medicines and food as humanitarian aid to your country, to help your population, because we know that you're needing that resources.
Canada-Germany
27-10-2003, 18:31
OOC: ok, I'm setting a date, I will start the trial today, ^_^
NH, do you still want your "humanitarian supplies"?
Purchasing those humanitarian supplies was the last act of the old government before it was dissolved. Since its paid for of course they want it.
Our country exports natural resources and small electronic products and components at competitive prices.
Then we are interested in manufacturing in your country many little pieces of our high-tech devices. Our main exportations are vehicles, power (energy), weapons and artworks. Maybe we can make a trade exchange in the future. The shipment of humanitarian aid (for free), is on his way.
I forgot to mention that we also export exotic tropic fruits.
We are interested in anything you can do to help us modernize our country. We are willing to pay a premium for it.
A few days later, a 5 megaton freighter enters low orbit over New Hyborea. It takes all ten of it's cargo shuttles several trips between the landing field and the freighter, to land the "equipment" the old government had ordered, along with technical blueprints and detailed instructions for assembly.
Our Ministry of Trade would be interested in a trade agreement with your new government, we can sell you more technology, not just weapons at reasonable prices. And you sell fruit? Vernii's planetary climate is not that suitable for growing much fruit, you could find a market for that on our world.
Canada-Germany
28-10-2003, 06:58
OOC: Bah, ok, never mind about today. ^^;; and tommorow (tuesday) as well. But I'll be able to start the trial on wednesday,