NationStates Jolt Archive

/me wonders why Watertest send 2000 F-16s and 200 F-117s and 50 B-2s considering his airfield will be bombed, and he didn't even send any refuelers.

Other thing is, he didn't specify much about WHAT Air-to-air/ground/etc. missile and bombs he uses. So that will cause a lot of confusion. There's more than 10 kinds of bombs out there, not mentioning the model.

EDIT: I'm not trying to nit-pick, but I'm informing the people here that add some more logistics and details to your posts.

My force number are probably a bit off, because I'm currently in school right now. I'll edit them when I get home if needed.

Neo-Wu, as part of the 47 UM group, your fleet is being scanned by the Legacy. What sort of weapons do your ships have, with what ranges and estimated power?

Updated list of sides:


AMF Forces

AMF
Pantera
Steel Butterfly
Scandavian States
Neo-Wu
Walten
Whittier (non-military roles)
Aequatio
Tiburon
Ardor
Kalessin
Neo-Wu
Skager
Rukemia
Watertest
The Eastern Bloc
Cspalla
Soviet Trasa
Diablo_NL

Regions

47 Ursa Majoris
The Allied Powers
Arda
aoe2
Orion Sector Alliance


EOTED Forces

Ma-tek
Sentient Peoples
Whispering Voices
Alvarezistan
Der Angst

Updated list of sides:
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I like the propaganda. Very effective in convincing people that your side is overwhelmingly powerfull. Especially the Regions... you know... the people actually getting involved are listed above, but it looks so much greater when you add the entirity of their region by association. And the inclusion of people who have expressed support, but not actually done anything to back it up.

Of course, I have to caution that there may be people on the other side who _aren't_ going outright to declare their allegence yet... plus the fact that a giant an a gnat rate the same if you list them by name.

Don't mistake it... there will be a fight here. I just have a worrying feeling I know who'll win.

i wish to state here that i will fight for AMF

ooc:

Contrary to popular belief, I really have no desire to puppet AMF. The last time that I "owned" someone, was Sephirus, and everyone envolved with the infamous "Mars Incident" knows how that turned out.

This whole "control net" thing is an option I thought of that would be beneficial to all envolved. EOTED would not have to worry about AMF being all warlike, the weak-stomached national leaders would not have to worry about the horrid atrocities, peace would be attained, thousands (if not millions) spared a horrifying death, and AMF would get to keep his armies for defense purposes only, AND recieve a huge jump in internal communications.

As for the thought that I would be gaining AMF for my own ends... The Triumvirate does not really like AMF, and they are not thinking very highly of me right now in offering AMF this solution. Furthermore, AMF would not make a single sh*ts worth of difference in my ability to take over the Triumvirate of Yut.

Angelus, is AMF really considering your option? Because it is becoming more and more clear to me that I am going to have to use nuclear weapons to win the space battle and the thought killing all of those people like that does not make me happy. Although if worse comes to worse I will get to test my anti-matter warheads.

Angelus, is AMF really considering your option? Because it is becoming more and more clear to me that I am going to have to use nuclear weapons to win the space battle and the thought killing all of those people like that does not make me happy. Although if worse comes to worse I will get to test my anti-matter warheads.


and then you get sued for all the matter that goes down to earth....oh wait wasn't no wmd's a rule of this war????

He sent me an telegram about it, otherwise I would not have posted.

He sent me an telegram about it, otherwise I would not have posted.

realy!

wow !

he has about got enough forces to match the EOTED forces now...this is gonna go down big and millians are going to die

ooc:

All of this is just ridiculous. AMF/Allies whipe themselves out on EOTED guns, while whiping EOTED out in the process.

Yay, big fecking war. Yay for death and bloodshed.

Yay for testosterone.

-angel
stupid men. always waving their balls around like we wanna see 'em

ooc:

All of this is just ridiculous. AMF/Allies whipe themselves out on EOTED guns, while whiping EOTED out in the process.

Yay, big fecking war. Yay for death and bloodshed.

Yay for testosterone.

-angel
stupid men. always waving their balls around like we wanna see 'em

i know thats why small wars are better

Angelus, is AMF really considering your option? Because it is becoming more and more clear to me that I am going to have to use nuclear weapons to win the space battle and the thought killing all of those people like that does not make me happy. Although if worse comes to worse I will get to test my anti-matter warheads.


and then you get sued for all the matter that goes down to earth....oh wait wasn't no wmd's a rule of this war????

The radiation isn't any greater than what Earth gets bombarded with every day, but nuclear weapons are pretty common in space and don't have the same stigma attached to them as they do when used on a planetary surface.

I think personally that this is like WW8, WW7 was a failure and there is alot of nations involved here

-angel
stupid men. always waving their balls around like we wanna see 'em

You mean Melkor didn't want to see your balls during Operation St Dominic?

/grin


Nukes! Anti-matter! Anti-nukes!

I suggest you go read the Sketch war before you run round threatning people with anti-matter warheads. Heh.

And nuclear weapons in space? Far less effective than nuclear weapons endoatmosphere.

Nukes! Anti-matter! Anti-nukes!

I suggest you go read the Sketch war before you run round threatning people with anti-matter warheads. Heh.

And nuclear weapons in space? Far less effective than nuclear weapons endoatmosphere.

How about you tell me? I also don't recall threatening anyone, I just stated that if it came down to it it would be an opertunity to test our AM warheads, I don't recall saying I would definately use them or against who. As it is, the statement was OOC.

So, where in the world is AMF?

AMF is an island somewhere in the lower Atlantic, where the climate is warm.

You mean on the equator?

Geostationary orbit is only possible above the equator at a certain altitude (as said before). It would certainly be warm there...but it would have to be on the equator or defending ships would oscilate between AMF and a place as far North from the equator as AMF is South.

So on the equator, right?

That, or the ships can just use engines to keep in place. Not really an "orbit" per se, but still staying above AMF in space.Thats what mine are doing, anyway.

So, where in the world is AMF?

AMF is an island somewhere in the lower Atlantic, where the climate is warm.

You mean on the equator?

Geostationary orbit is only possible above the equator at a certain altitude (as said before). It would certainly be warm there...but it would have to be on the equator or defending ships would oscilate between AMF and a place as far North from the equator as AMF is South.

So on the equator, right?

That, or the ships can just use engines to keep in place. Not really an "orbit" per se, but still staying above AMF in space.Thats what mine are doing, anyway.

That takes a LOT of fuel. If thats what your doing, you won't be able to do it for long...even with fusion. Keep in mind, you need that fuel for manuvering and energy weapons and life support.

Power is not all that much of an issue. My plasma genorators make plenty of that.

I don't have the physics background that some of you do, so correct me if I'm wrong. My understanding is that in null gravity once you reach a certain speed you no longer need to keep accelerating because there isn't anything to slow you down, very Newtonian I know, but I think it works in this case.

I don't have the physics background that some of you do, so correct me if I'm wrong. My understanding is that in null gravity once you reach a certain speed you no longer need to keep accelerating because there isn't anything to slow you down, very Newtonian I know, but I think it works in this case.


Above earth isn't null gravity. Basically, think of it like horses going around a race track. Unless you're in geosynchronous orbit (where you fall around the earth's gravity as fast as you move away from it due to your falling speed), you need to keep putting energy in. Let's make the assumption that these are super horses (for the sake of argument, Bisonic Horses). Now, because Bisonic Horses are in a natural state of forward motion, it would seem as if they could race forever: however, the jockey needs to expend energy to steer them if he wants to keep them from running off the track in a straight line.

So if you sit out of geosynchronous orbit above Earth, not moving at all, you'll essentially have different bits of earth under you at any one time. This is generally bad in Nationstates, since many regions operate a "destroy on sight" policy of stuff above them. So, to keep in in orbit above a place not on the equator, you need to keep 'moving' around the earth, keeping pace with it's spin - continuously burning your engines. If you just accelerate, you'll accelerate - but anywhere outside geosynchronous orbit, gravity won't match your acceleration and you'll just shoot off into space.

OOC: Just posting what I made of my forces so far.

1st Army & Fleet

6 Conquistador Dropship's
18 Fox class Corvette's
12 Tatsumaki class Destroyer's
10 Dante class Frigate's
8 Avalon class Cruiser's
4 Agamemnon class Heavy Cruiser's
2 Mjolnir class Battlecruiser's
1 Thera class Carrier
1 Mckenna class Battleship


1st Army ground forces

144 Battlemechs
72 Heavy Vehicles
2688 Infantrie
1776 Battlearmor (1296 of wich are on Tatsumaki's)

1st Aerospace fighters

1178 (108 of wich are on the dropships)


1st Battlemech (Reinforced) Regiment is devided into 12 company's. Each company consists of 3 lances. Each lance is 4 Battlemechs strong.

Red Standard Command
Blue Standard
Yellow Standard
Orange Standard
Green Standard
Gold Standard
Black Support
White Support
Brown Support
Purple Fast Attack
Pink Fast Attack
Teal Fast Attack

I will go into detail of the ground forces later.

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Right.

The Orion and 47 Ursa Majoris systems are being thoroughly scanned, on all wavelengths from all directions, by the Legacy. I suggest if you haven't already, you follow the link in the main thread to see exactly what it can do.

Therefore, I'd like maps and deployment numbers for assets inside those systems and present on Earth. As far as I can tell, pretty much entire space fleets have been sent to guard Automagfreek (bearing in mind many of the countries involved aren't actually that big, with jack all military spending, and seem to have vast numbers of capital ships).

This especially includes details on the Nemesis gate, and whatever bizarre theory is held to explain the inability of people to approach a solar system (or planet? Not even sure about that) except through one 'door'. Also orbital defences in those two systems.

In turn, the Voices armada now it can be scanned (it's broken up somewhat), has the following revealed:

10 capital ships. 1km x 300m x 300m.
20 big ships. 500m x 200m x 200m.
50 medium ships. 200m x 150m x 150m.
100 small ships. 150m x 50m x 50m.

I say capital, big, medium, small because all the ships look identical from the outside - just the sheathe size gives any indication of what they might do. There are still many sheathes floating around in Devil's Desert orbit areas.


And good plan, Watertest. Better lose some troops quick before your 15 million frontline troops rebel at an inability to pay them and a total lack of support staff, eh? :p


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Daiblo, check TM's.

Everyone: I have to work all night tonight, so I most likely won't be on. Also, I have to get up early for school tomorrow, so again, don't expect me to be on tonight.

Well, Im not in either of those systems, so you can keep guessing about my numbers. Hell, as soon as they get to Earth I'll have numbers up anyway.

But Cspalla, you're from the Orion Sector Alliance:

"Far into deep space, within the Orion Sector, is an imperial collection of some of the most powerful nations in all of Nationstates. Armed with huge space fleets and enough weapons to destroy the galaxy we fear no-one and nothing."

So ... what distant planet are you teleporting in from?

1)Its not telporting.

2)It says sector, not system. I have my own starsystem on the edge of the sector.

I have my own starsystem on the edge of the sector.

Right.

*shrug* Think of that what you will. I don't honestly care. Besides, I was going to have them show up in Sol (where anybody could detect them) as soon as I have all the exact numbers done, so its kind of a non-issue anyway.

OOC: Woah...that needs to be changed then...

the OSA is out in the far outskirts of the Orion Sector....

I completely own the Orion Sector and all space and space forms with the Orion name. I let my alliance members live on the borders of my space...partially for my border control...partially for their saftey....partially so that my empire's affairs are not tampered with.

WV...minus a little bit into the borders...my sector cannot be scanned. It is on a jam of all frequencies and patterns (perhaps if you come up with some new, creative way though...)

Also...their planets, or at least their headquarters, are officially in neutral space...not mine...although I unofficially count them as my borders

do not confuse the two

bump for clarity

Just so you know...it has been changed...

WV...minus a little bit into the borders...my sector cannot be scanned. It is on a jam of all frequencies and patterns (perhaps if you come up with some new, creative way though...)


OOC:

Chitai eto:

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=65135

Chitai eto vsio i uvidish - WV uje nashiol orginalny sposob skanirovat' s Legacy :?

WV...minus a little bit into the borders...my sector cannot be scanned. It is on a jam of all frequencies and patterns (perhaps if you come up with some new, creative way though...)


OOC:

Chitai eto:

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=65135

Chitai eto vsio i uvidish - WV uje nashiol orginalny sposob skanirovat' s Legacy :?

Understood...and...uh...WV I think I'll consider that creative enough... :lol:

Power is not all that much of an issue. My plasma genorators make plenty of that.

On the contrary, power is a big issue if you do the actual physics. I don't care what you call your generator, if it gets energy by destroying mass, you can only get so much energy (as defined by E=mc^2). Energy doesn't come from nowhere you know. It must be conserved, it is always conserved.

*shrugs* Whatever. I have my power systems worked out, how they work, how much they make, yadda yadda yadda. I know what they can do.

To WV: Our only real presence within 47UR is a couple of embassies, the mass of Star League assets is in another star system entirely. The placing of our nation in the 47UR region is merely a formality.

<tag, to keep up to date>

In response to Neo-Wu's acquisition out of nowhere of 20 million troops, Whispering Voices is pleased to announce that it has been given control of the World Defence Force comprising approximately 200 billion troops, and a bucket of strawberry treacle.

If you want to use Grunge-France's 20 million troops and 10 naval armadas as he attempts to hide the fact he's backstabbing the whole of SATO, get him to post their use himself.

Fine. Everyone who has used FTL to bring space ships to the theatre is having their point of origin scanned (and I checked, no-one made obfuscatory jumps). That means everyone. Especially people with fusion drives that don't need fuel.

Ranges and powers of nonkinetic weapons are also being scanned (that's for everyone with lasers and so on).

Okay I updated and changed my list of troops a bit. So here it is.

1st Army & Fleet

6 Conquistador Dropship's
18 Fox class Corvette's
12 Tatsumaki class Destroyer's
10 Dante class Frigate's
8 Avalon class Cruiser's
4 Agamemnon class Heavy Cruiser's
2 Mjolnir class Battlecruiser's
1 Thera class Carrier
1 Mckenna class Battleship


1st Army ground forces

144 Battlemechs
72 Heavy Vehicles
2688 Infantrie
1776 Battlearmor (1296 of wich are on Tatsumaki's)

1st Aerospace fighters

1178 (108 of wich are on the dropships)


1st Battlemech (Reinforced) Regiment is devided into 12 company's. Each company consists of 3 lances. Each lance is 4 Battlemechs strong.

Red Combat
Blue Combat
Yellow Combat
Orange Combat
Green Combat
Gold Support Command
Black Support
White Support
Brown Support
Purple Fast Attack
Pink Fast Attack
Teal Fast Attack

Combat lances are build out of: Uziel (Point) Hellspawn (Left Flank) Shadowcat (Right Flank) Couger (Rear)
Support Command Lance: Blood Asp (Point) Madcat MkII (Left&Right Flank) Blood Kite (Rear)
Suppot Lance: Madcat MkII (point) Madcat (Left Flank) Thor (Right Flank) Vulture (Rear)
Fast Attack Lance: Solitaire (Point, Left&Right Flank, Rear)


Heavy Vehicles are put into 2 Batallions of 36.

Cyan 12 Glory, 12 Heimdall, 12 Morrigu
Grey 12 Glory, 12 Heimdall, 12 Morrigu

The fighter force totally consists out of SHV-O Shiva's. 50% Primairy configuration. 50% Configuration C (I did this not to make my forces anymore diverce so that RP would be a bit easier)

As for Battlearmor it totally consists out of Infeltrator MkII's.
And infantry is build up in the usuall 7 troop squads. (This to was done for easier RP)

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Diablo, it looks like we use a lot of the same equipment, my standard fighters are SHV-O Shivas in their Light Guass config.

WV, note the name of the fleets, they were in Sol System before the war began.

i know i should get involved, but on who's side, suggestions?

i know i should get involved, but on who's side, suggestions?

Stay out? :lol:

i know i should get involved, but on who's side, suggestions?

If you need suggestions to become involved, you have no IC reason to do so.

Since you have no IC reason to become in involved, you should stay out of the conflict.

WV, note the name of the fleets, they were in Sol System before the war began.


How fortunate that the 47 Ursa Majoris system and indeed sector is being scanned.

Please stop attempting to dodge the questions, and simply ... answer. What are the defences of 47 Ursa Majoris, from which the Chromestar Alliance originates? Does your country have a nation on Earth, if so, whereabouts is it? Close to Automagfreek, or far away?

I also note from that link that your country funds its military via a "Star League" consisting of Scandivian States, Scandinavian Nations and South-East Asia. I'm sure Vrak will be speaking to you soon!

I also note from that link that your country funds its military via a "Star League" consisting of Scandivian States, Scandinavian Nations and South-East Asia. I'm sure Vrak will be speaking to you soon!

OOC: Read here my smug friend and then shut thy mouth.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=77898&highlight=

I also note from that link that your country funds its military via a "Star League" consisting of Scandivian States, Scandinavian Nations and South-East Asia. I'm sure Vrak will be speaking to you soon!
Actually they ARE different nations.

I also note from that link that your country funds its military via a "Star League" consisting of Scandivian States, Scandinavian Nations and South-East Asia. I'm sure Vrak will be speaking to you soon!
Actually they ARE different nations.

Different nations with different players? As in, each of them can post once in here for an IP check perhaps? I may be reading that thread wrong, but since every post in it was by Scandivian States and one of them reads:

2. We have acquired the nation of Solar Systems from the former owner of Tersanctus for free. While normally a very generous thing to do, it has doubled the Star League's military budget and as a result the starting time for the building of the Space Naval Yards has been pushed forward and will begin in five years time (Saturday).

That would appear like puppets were giving benefits.


OOC: Read here my smug friend and then shut thy mouth.

<snip irrelevant link>

That's fine. As long as we're clear on the fact that you'll hound one side for puppet use, and turn a blind eye to the other. Glad we got it sorted ^_^

Edit: found one line of vague relevance.

I don’t believe that a complex description of your military is necessary but I just wonder if they do in fact augment eachother. I mean, do the “defensive” IDF GF or IDF SN augment the “offensive” IDF AF and IDF N? To turn it around, do the offensive forces supplement the defensive forces?

I address that now to Scandivian States.

OOC: Read here my smug friend and then shut thy mouth.

<snip irrelevant link>

That's fine. As long as we're clear on the fact that you'll hound one side for puppet use, and turn a blind eye to the other. Glad we got it sorted ^_^

Edit: found one line of vague relevance.

I don’t believe that a complex description of your military is necessary but I just wonder if they do in fact augment eachother. I mean, do the “defensive” IDF GF or IDF SN augment the “offensive” IDF AF and IDF N? To turn it around, do the offensive forces supplement the defensive forces?

I address that now to Scandivian States.

OOC: Ah, I see that WV is trying to accuse me of hypocrisy since I hounded his buddy EOTED (of whom was nice enough to reply) and saying I should now hound SS.

Well WV, first off, I'm not a cop. It's not my job to enforce anything. The link provided my opinion on the matter and anyone is free to read it. I'm also glad, WV, that you are able to use my material in order to bolster your questioning of SS. Well done "fellow puppet hounder!"

edit: Fellow puppet hounder Whispering Voices! Make sure you hound, hound, and then hound some more along with a dose of pestering for maximum results, okay? Okay then! Carry on!

Well WV, first off, I'm not a cop. It's not my job to enforce anything. The link provided my opinion on the matter and anyone is free to read it. I'm also glad, WV, that you are able to use my material in order to bolster your questioning of SS. Well done "fellow puppet hounder!"

I'm glad you agree that such hounding should be done evenly and with great thoroughness! I just wouldn't want to risk any such "hounding" going to waste at points of convenience.

OOC: Why, I'm picking up a scent and it's...Whispering Voices. :)

Face it, I got a nice reply from EOTED and that's okay. I don't need to blare my opinion nor walk the beat like you feel I should do. If SS cares then he can read the link and then ask me. Basically, I was interested in what EOTED had to say and not SS or anyone else for that matter. Why is that so surprising?

The Star League is structured in a way that no member nations have their own military but instead pay a certain amount to the central government to provide for their defense, a tribute if you will. Think of it as kind of like the United States, several semi-autonomous states under a single central government. Which nation I post as depends greatly on which nation the ruling First Lord is from. Beyond that, I take great care in making sure that the SLDF is not beyond the capabilities of any single nation. So in short, no they don't augment each other, at least not any more than any nation in the EOTED does.

The Star League is structured in a way that no member nations have their own military but instead pay a certain amount to the central government to provide for their defense, a tribute if you will. Think of it as kind of like the United States, several semi-autonomous states under a single central government. Which nation I post as depends greatly on which nation the ruling First Lord is from. Beyond that, I take great care in making sure that the SLDF is not beyond the capabilities of any single nation. So in short, no they don't augment each other, at least not any more than any nation in the EOTED does.

OK. Thanks - I'm happy with that answer. :-)

Now ... I reiterate my general request for defences for 47 Ursa Majoris, and the systems of origin of any nation that FTLed to get to Earth.

And the weapon scans - ranges and approximate power.

WV, note the name of the fleets, they were in Sol System before the war began.


How fortunate that the 47 Ursa Majoris system and indeed sector is being scanned.

Please stop attempting to dodge the questions, and simply ... answer. What are the defences of 47 Ursa Majoris, from which the Chromestar Alliance originates? Does your country have a nation on Earth, if so, whereabouts is it? Close to Automagfreek, or far away?

I also note from that link that your country funds its military via a "Star League" consisting of Scandivian States, Scandinavian Nations and South-East Asia. I'm sure Vrak will be speaking to you soon!

1. I don't know the defenses of 47UR myself, you'll have to ask AMF or another senior member.

2. I do have territory on Terra, its a landmass about the size of the US with a desert island about the size and shape of Greenland. Our mainland has the same weather patterns as the US, with arctic and desert extremes and Black Sands Isle is 200 miles SE of the mainland and is all uninhabited desert. The main inhabitants of our Earth territory are diplomats from other countries and low-level government officials that process things earth-side and if it can't be handled by them they relay it to our primary system.

A note on the Sea Serpent, it's sister-ship, and the fleet supporting it.

Before the Whaling War (for those of you who remember or even noticed it), Wazzu had been working on a submersible fleet. The idea was not stealth...any such fleet would be loud. The idea was to make a fleet that could not be detected or attacked (without unwelcome side effects) from orbit.

So the Sea Serpent and the Siren are the first two ships that are the ultimate expression of these fleets. They are HUGE, they need to be, they and eventually two others (and 12 others mothballed) will make up Wazzu's future capibility to strike/beech anywhere. As such, they can be heard for hundreads of miles.

These are not capital class space ships. They are tough (armored) and have fusion reactors, but they don't have energy weapons or kinetic missiles or torpedos or ion or gravity engines or force fields or FTL drives or internal gravity plating or any of the other things that make space/starships expensive. They are giant, squarish, nuclear powered cigars.

The fleet around them is similar, just with smaller ships and carrying weapons more appropriate for a frigate, destroyer, or cruiser rather then for an amphibous assault ship.

Think of it as a normal fleet underwater (with 2 really big LHAs)

Tersanctus, any chance of putting actual numbers to your fleets? Noting the vast cost, I can only conclude that a fleet is one Helios battlecruiser. That or a fleet is more, but your entire fleet is built of cardboard rather than uranium/titanium matrixes. I'm not especially fond of things that just spontaneously appear on storefronts with no supporting tech or roleplay, so for the sake of avoiding arguments I hope the answers are sensible.

And weapon ranges too. I mean, turbolasers I know are pretty close-up, very powerful weapons with a range of about 200 metres (http://www.stardestroyer.net), but most of the other weapons I have no clue about. Ion cannons again don't sound like long range.

And the Yamato gun can only be ganked from Starcraft, which would imply an atmosphere-ground range of something like 70km.

Rail drivers obviously have infinite range (just no accuracy past a certain distance). I'm assuming the missile launchers with their 5 million km range (good luck on hitting a ship that far away) are the long range weapons.

And shields? How do those shields work? What do they affect? How are they powered? Where do they get the mass to power them from?

Other fleets ...
I've seen y'all post yet not answer. Standard range for your energy weapons will be defined as 16,000km (Ardor's range) unless you reply. Unless you post defences, defences will be assumed to be zero. Please stop dodging/bandying words.

1. I don't know the defenses of 47UR myself, you'll have to ask AMF or another senior member.

2. I do have territory on Terra, its a landmass about the size of the US with a desert island about the size and shape of Greenland. Our mainland has the same weather patterns as the US, with arctic and desert extremes and Black Sands Isle is 200 miles SE of the mainland and is all uninhabited desert. The main inhabitants of our Earth territory are diplomats from other countries and low-level government officials that process things earth-side and if it can't be handled by them they relay it to our primary system.

So what planet/system are you from and what defenses does it have?

You have my stats from the link right? I don't want to have to go through that entire thread and break down all of my stuff.

You have my stats from the link right? I don't want to have to go through that entire thread and break down all of my stuff.

Yea, I mean defences of your home planet/system (unless by some miracle you're actually from Earth).

1. I don't know the defenses of 47UR myself, you'll have to ask AMF or another senior member.

2. I do have territory on Terra, its a landmass about the size of the US with a desert island about the size and shape of Greenland. Our mainland has the same weather patterns as the US, with arctic and desert extremes and Black Sands Isle is 200 miles SE of the mainland and is all uninhabited desert. The main inhabitants of our Earth territory are diplomats from other countries and low-level government officials that process things earth-side and if it can't be handled by them they relay it to our primary system.

So what planet/system are you from and what defenses does it have?

Ah, I've been waiting for someone to ask that. The system's called Tempest and defenses are such:

Space
Per planet defenses
25 Missile Satellites
Offensive Armament: Barracuda Anti-Shipping Missile equipped with 19 Beam Bomb Pumped X-Ray Laser Warhead.
Magazine Capacity: 4 100 Missile Box Launchers
Defensive Armament: 1 NL55 Laser (converted chemical)
Magazine Capacity: 100 Shot Chemical Reservoir

Planetary Surface Defenses
Landing Field
4 Gun Turrets
Offensive Armament: 3 Thumper Artillery guns/ turret
Magazine Capacity: 15 tungsten heavy penetration rounds and 60 powder charges per gun.

16 20 Kiloton Nuclear Mines

Per City
40 Sniper Self-Propelled Howitzers

12 Thumper Artillery Systems
Offensive Armament: Thumper artillery system
Magazine Capacity: 500 fragmentation rounds, 100 rounds high explosive rounds, 10 3 Kiloton tactical nuclear rounds.

48 Rotary Autocannon/5 emplacements
Offensive Armament: 1 RAC/5
Magazine Capacity: 30,000 High Explosive Armor Piercing; expanded magazine.

120 60mm Mortar Positions
Offensive Armament: 2 60mm Mortars, Magazine Capacity: 50 Flares, 250 Fragmentation Rounds, 100 High Explosive Rounds, 50 Armor Piercing Rounds, 50 Smoke Rounds

40 60mm Mortar Positions
Offensive Armament: 2 81mm Mortars, Magazine Capacity: 50 Flares, 400 High Explosive Rounds, 50 Smoke Rounds

General System Defense
II and III Corp with incomplete New Home Defense Fleet plus HPG uplink to Terran Fleets.

You have my stats from the link right? I don't want to have to go through that entire thread and break down all of my stuff.

Yea, I mean defences of your home planet/system (unless by some miracle you're actually from Earth).

Stats above, and I'm from Earth originally but used a few loaned ships that could move quite a few people, the entire repopulation took about ten years.

OK, heres some limited stats. I'll have more details up ASAP.

1st Fleet
6 Battlecruisers
6 Cruisers
4 Destroyers
10 Frigates
4 Orbital Bombardment Ships
2 Carriers

4th Fleet
4 Battlecruisers
8 Cruisers
6 Destroyers
8 Frigates
2 Orbital Bombardment Ships
3 Carriers

5th Fleet
4 Battlecruisers
8 Cruisers
6 Destroyers
8 Frigates
2 Orbital Bombardment Ships
3 Carriers

6th Fleet
4 Battlecruisers
8 Cruisers
6 Destroyers
8 Frigates
2 Orbital Bombardment Ships
3 Carriers

And, Cspalla's Defenses...

2nd Fleet
6 Battlecruisers
2 Cruisers
4 Destroyers
10 Frigates
1 Carrier

3rd Fleet
6 Battlecruisers
2 Cruisers
4 Destroyers
10 Frigates
1 Carrier

plus vaious orbital defense platforms, surface-based fighter units, and troops. (WAY too many to list them all. It is a police state, after all.)

Vortex, refering to the ic thread you said 'temporal'. Please say that is a mistake and that should be 'temporary'.

Fine. Everyone who has used FTL to bring space ships to the theatre is having their point of origin scanned (and I checked, no-one made obfuscatory jumps). That means everyone. Especially people with fusion drives that don't need fuel.

Ranges and powers of nonkinetic weapons are also being scanned (that's for everyone with lasers and so on).

AHAH!

My fleet have not been mobilized!

Sure I have FTL...but they haven't moved!

There you go

bump so they can see the post above this

I wish my troops teleported past blockades like Rukemia's and Penguinata's can!

wow, i'm gone for 2 days and look what goes on.

My apologies for not being here. Today was hellacious, and I have the strangest feeling that God hates me. I haven't had time to read up on the explosion of posts, but I will tomorrow morning. Just wanted to let everyone know I haven't forgotten.

Time for 12 hours of sleep. Mmmm....

Rock and Roll.

That's fine. I think AMF is deciding whether to accept the Angelan offer, anyway. It's all posturing and people either moving (or, in a few cases, teleporting) troops towards or near to AMF.

I'd like to remind everyone that since the IC thread has begun, approximately 3-12 hours has passed in Game time, and towards the lower end of that time frame.

Therefore, think logically about the positioning of your forces. The Stuff before the IC thread took two days.

Think about your deployments accordingly.

How fast can you move? Or do you teleport?

I'd like to remind everyone that since the IC thread has begun, approximately 3-12 hours has passed in Game time, and towards the lower end of that time frame.

Therefore, think logically about the positioning of your forces. The Stuff before the IC thread took two days.

Think about your deployments accordingly.

How fast can you move? Or do you teleport?

*grin*

Wazzu certainly has not teleported. Both fleet groups (fast and slow) are days away from AMF...which is about where they should be. :)

I agree though, everyone should try to remain accutely aware of time.

Everyone should also try and remain accutely aware of the locations of their forces. Example: The map of AMF.

http://www.angelfire.com/super2/freekisland/freekisland.jpg

If your deploying forces here, where exactly are you deploying them to? The main island? Fort Kensington? Where?

And if you have naval forces around AMF, where? South of Mako Island? Harbored in Freeksburg Port?

All this will be VERY important if an invasion of AMF happens.

Until then...anyone want to start another thread that deals ONLY with time and the position/number/ownership of forces? It is a lot of work...maybe someone who has as much time on their hands as I used to?

Nust a note:

Tersanctus Forces. <snip>

ummm

144 ships, all more than 2km long. (volume equivalent to ~49392 Nimitz- carriers... actually more, considering the ship`s pictures)

Goes at 0.89c... (I like that, cya in the future, sometime after this war...)

*summons the cardboard avenger*

"Ommmmm.... Ommmmm..."

(For further reference: Tersanctus Battleship stats (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=67382&highlight=))

And thx to Tarasovka, who showed me the actual post.

A, and a link to the post: Tersanctus post (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1829407&sid=0d869d0af57e638068822f6ddc8e7243#1829407)

Don't assume that your blockades have been successful, AMF hasn't been on enough to respond to those and as I understand he has a powerful navy, so I don't think you could have set up a blockade without trouble.

**Is summoned*

"Yup, I'd say those are paper-mache. They are not the worst, but are definately some of the lower end ships that I've seen."

-The Cardboard Avenger.


EDIT: And 87.5 billion per craft? *sigh*

Nust a note:

Tersanctus Forces. <snip>

ummm

144 ships, all more than 2km long. (volume equivalent to ~49392 Nimitz- carriers... actually more, considering the ship`s pictures)

Goes at 0.89c... (I like that, cya in the future, sometime after this war...)

*summons the cardboard avenger*

"Ommmmm.... Ommmmm..."

(For further reference: Tersanctus Battleship stats (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=67382&highlight=))

And thx to Tarasovka, who showed me the actual post.

A, and a link to the post: Tersanctus post (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1829407&sid=0d869d0af57e638068822f6ddc8e7243#1829407)


Luckily I just figured out something about Tersanctus' ships I don't think he knows.
Congratulations, Ter-cardboard-sanctus! You are the ...

WINNER!

And the next person to do an entirely OOC post in the IC thread automatically gets vaporised by the godmod cannon o' death. Including AMF. Seriously - is it too hard for people to move between threads? Grr.


Also, AMF, you haven't posted any submarines as being in your waters - or any forces at all, yet. Anyone can blockade you simply by moving between <country> and your country - people have satellites watching you, and you've given no locations at all - if you want your submarines not to all be in dock, your planes not to all be in hangars, and your troops not to all be in barracks ... move them. Maybe he intercepted Rukemia at ... 101km away.

Like I wouldn't have patrols going on in my waters. Use your head. :roll:

AMF, are you going to take Angelus up on their offer or not?

LOL, I know I know....There a high end-uber-tech Cardboard that I found lying around, fortunately I figured out the Improbability drive, while drinking some tea. But it works better with jolt cola :lol:

True its on the VErge of God-modding, and I havent brought up my space tech in months, but if people are going to use theirs, Im gonna use mine!

AMF, are you going to take Angelus up on their offer or not?

You'll have to forgive me, I'm coming down with pneumonia, and I've been in and out of the doctors office, hence why I'm not on as much lately.

I'm sorry if I'm not moving at your pace.

AMF, are you going to take Angelus up on their offer or not?

You'll have to forgive me, I'm coming down with pneumonia, and I've been in and out of the doctors office, hence why I'm not on as much lately.

I'm sorry if I'm not moving at your pace.

You have my sympathy. I've been sick myself. Not with pneumonia, but the worst I've had in a few years. Damn kids...always carrying diseases. :)

You'd think that would give me more time, I have less. I always want to sleep...and that doesn't help me get other things done. *sigh*

So you have my sympathy.

But if there is anything important that you should read of everything here, it is Angelus' proposal. Everything else is just posturing and setup and debate...and a very little bit of good RP.

Hope you get better quickly.

Thanks, I'll try to stay current with what's going on. Although it's kinda hard to RP when you're coughing up brown stuff and it hurts every time you breathe.... @_@

As for the Angelic proposal, I think it is more than obvious that we accept, as we were the ones that went to Angelus in the first place.

I'll type up an IC response in a little bit.

I told y'all I didn't want war.

Thanks, I'll try to stay current with what's going on. Although it's kinda hard to RP when you're coughing up brown stuff and it hurts every time you breathe.... @_@

That sounds exactly what I'm just recovering from - except I managed to collect 5 different shades of green in one day.

/me generously shares.

And peace is lucky, since you had non-declared patrols - declaring would have helped, since we might have wanted to ... you know ... shoot them.

WV...do you agree with my point that you didn't scan my sector due to the fact that I never mobilized troops...?

WV...do you agree with my point that you didn't scan my sector due to the fact that I never mobilized troops...?

No - I scanned the Orion sector (blamed Cspalla). Really it doesn't drain any more resources to do so, and you're a potential threat anyway.

I gave you that info as OOC, just so you know. That last time my Terran fleets jumped anywhere it was well before this situation and given the nature of the drives I use was on the outside edge of Sol System. On top of that, the drives aren't traceable once the ships jump, which is one of the main reasons I use them.

I gave you that info as OOC, just so you know. That last time my Terran fleets jumped anywhere it was well before this situation and given the nature of the drives I use was on the outside edge of Sol System. On top of that, the drives aren't traceable once the ships jump, which is one of the main reasons I use them.

So they just vanish into the void, never to return?

I gave you that info as OOC, just so you know. That last time my Terran fleets jumped anywhere it was well before this situation and given the nature of the drives I use was on the outside edge of Sol System. On top of that, the drives aren't traceable once the ships jump, which is one of the main reasons I use them.

To the Legacy, they are. Besides, you have dealings with other nations. It's impossible to keep secret an entire nation.

no deployed forces

Please note where your forces are. It is being assumed your 25km capship and other space fleet is as previously stated in orbit above your country - but where are your satellite-visible naval and ground assets?

And the attack coming in - the attacks, even - will hit everyone in Automagfreek orbit, which is pretty much everyone with space tech.

The energy weapons, though fired second, will arrive first, so I will address them first.

The energy weapons are only targeted on ships with Energy shielding. There should be more than enough from the fleet and the station to overwhelm any ships shields, at least in localized direction of fire.

Therefore, your shields, at best, should be weakened considerbly by the time the missiles arrive.

If your shields collapse before the energy weapons all hit your ships, they should melt armor to slag and the beam weapons should punch holes deep into the ships.

65,000 plasma torpedos (30 Mt equivalent yield)
10,000 Heavy Lasers (15 Mt/second equivalent yield. Fired for 3.5 seconds. Swung through 7 degree arc)
300 Grasers (20 Mt/second equivalent yield. Fired for 3.5 seconds. Swung through 7 degree arc)
1000 Particle Cannons (45 Mt equivalent yield)


There are 215,000 Kinetic weapons bearing down on the enemy fleets from my position, either from the front or rear arcs, depending on orbit orientation.

Each of those kinetic weapons will hit with an impact energy equal to 25 Megatons of TNT. Unlike a nuclear weapon, this energy is all directional, focused into the area of the impact.

At .05 c, the speed at which these kinetics travel, they should rip through pretty much all the way through all but the biggest of ships, hulling them.
Being fired down the long axis, they should easily hit some sort of valuable systems like reactors, engines, or computer cores, easily disabling or destroying the ships.

Also, seeing as how I've seen no one launch any fighters, or deploy any form of ECM, a minimum of 95% of the missiles not actively intercepted by ship defenses should impact with the capital ships.

The best thing is, when you all presented ship specs, I saw no one that had any sort of active defenses, or passive defenses, other than armor and shields.

Therefore, very few of the missiles can be shot down before impact, by your own descriptions of your ships.

By my count, that is well over 2.5 gigatons of directed force into each ship. That should rip through them like tissue paper.

In addition to the these missiles, there are the ones arriving from my ships out at Mars. Traveling at .42 c for the missiles and .45 c for the gauss cannon shells, they should impact with gigatons of energy apeice. Now their targeting isn't as good, but should be at about 80 percent.

A single impact from one of those weapons should destroy most of the ships involved in combat here.

Also liberally dispersed in the missile fired are 2000 heavy neutron weapons. Basically, any ship which survives will be irradiated with a huge amount of neutron radiation. Ships lacking shields, or whose shields are battered down, will basically have their crews melted off them. Also, if nothing else, the ships hulls will be flooded with neutron radiation. These weapons are not targeted at ships, but instead, in between them, for maximum weapons dispersal.

215,000 KKM at .05 c (25 Mt equivalent yield)
2000 Neutron Warhead (50 kilometer irradiation range)
100 KKM at .42 c (1.9 Gt equivalent yield)
20 Gauss cannon shells at .45 c (3.2 Gt equivalent yield)


Of course, all weapons are fired parallel to the tangent plane of the Earth's surface, which means that any weapons that sail on through the enemy fleets will just keep going.

Based on my knowledge of my weapons and knowledge of the way your ships have been described, I estimate anywhere between 80%-100% destruction of the enemy fleets with the first volley.

Post losses.

OOC: Ummm, isn't that what we call "OOC Knowledge" (AKA Godmoding, Piss-poor RPing, BS)?

Since it is an OOC conversation on another board (read: private communications within an outside group) you can't actually have that knowledge...If it is real (since anyone could photoshop those wonderful pics).

Just my 2 cents.

On the contrary. I believe that it is similar to intelligence services; if you hear from a source about events that will be happening in IC, then it's not using OOC knowledge. He obtained intelligence info about someone's future plans and used it IC.

Intel works in NS as well, you know. If someone obtained info that, for example, I posted in the DD board that I was going to attack you, I would completely accept that as a viable IC reason to attack me. Government meetings about such events are private IRL as well.

While I am aware that AMF is leaving, and I acknowledge that Real Life gets in the way of NS, I'd like to remind everyone else that their ships and fleets are still deployed.

Your ships do not automatically cease to have been deployed.

You will post losses, or everyone can assume total destruction of deployed forces, with no losses among the EOTED and allied forces.

Yes I am leaving. You all get the ignore cannon, and that's that. I haven't had time to read the war thread in awhile, and I will not respond.

G'day.

OOC: Since I was in the process of transporting my soldiers to Automagfreek, I'm just going to assume I never typed that RP.
(Given Auto's leaving :cry: )

Is that ok with all of you

Better idea. Instead of assuming that, write up a short IC post recalling them. If they never fired, we'll (pro-EOTED) assume they had the misfortune to be on training manuevers during the conflict.

Recalling any forces not yet fired upon or firing will result in them being allowed to leave.

Anyone's vessels that have been fired upon, though, will probably consider themselves to be at war, so instead of your fleets sailing to AMF, you might want to do something else constructive with them.

OOC: Ummm, isn't that what we call "OOC Knowledge" (AKA Godmoding, Piss-poor RPing, BS)?

Since it is an OOC conversation on another board (read: private communications within an outside group) you can't actually have that knowledge...If it is real (since anyone could photoshop those wonderful pics).

Just my 2 cents.

Pretty much what Nikea said. Those screenshots (they're too accurate to be photoshopped, come on. And check that horrendous color scheme) are obtainable IC, and therefore admissable. Should Chromestar have traitors, or spies, or whatever, it's their problem.

Not, of course, that anyone has seen those documents IC other than Sentient Peoples and EOTED anyway.

*hands back 2 cents* Best keep it in future - you might get rationed ^_^

Cspalla - what damage reports are my drones giving me? Destruction of all battleships/cruisers/destroyers I'm guessing?

More or less. A few clinging to life, but not for long.

Hats off to Cspalla for taking such losses well.

*shrugs* Well, maybe I could start some godmoding debate, and maybe be right. But more likely we would just ignore each other. This way, I can build all kinds of sexy new ships and stuff.

Whoa. *Watches as his opinion of Cspalla raises high*

That's the trouble with space warfare where realism gets involved - he who fires first is the only one to fire. Thank you :)

Edit: Wazzu just pointed something out to me, and I have to say - I used the descriptors "hit with" and "damaged by". Sorry. It could be possible for ships to move out of the way if they were already moving at very high speeds (I think Cspalla was stationary). So where it says "each carrier is hit by 3 beams" read "each carrier is aimed at by 3 beams".

Apologies to Cspalla.

*agrees with Whispering Voices*

*waits for the other targeted fleets to be as gracious as Cspalla*

You know, I really admire anyone who is willing to lose wars, battles, troops, whatever. That kind of thing ought to be promoted or rewarded somehow, so that more people do it.

Maybe a realistic-hit-taking-congratulation squad (RHTCS)!!!

You know, I really admire anyone who is willing to lose wars, battles, troops, whatever. That kind of thing ought to be promoted or rewarded somehow, so that more people do it.

Maybe a realistic-hit-taking-congratulation squad (RHTCS)!!!

It`s sad that we are at a point where such ideas can come up...

In addition to AMF sinking into the ocean... AMF's planet kinda blew up at the same time. Therefore there is no need to come to 47 UM. Although, for the sake of RP should your forces need to come and check it out... thats perfectly fine.

Again... AMF's planet no longer exists.

Whoa. *Watches as his opinion of Cspalla raises high*

That's the trouble with space warfare where realism gets involved - he who fires first is the only one to fire. Thank you :)

Edit: Wazzu just pointed something out to me, and I have to say - I used the descriptors "hit with" and "damaged by". Sorry. It could be possible for ships to move out of the way if they were already moving at very high speeds (I think Cspalla was stationary). So where it says "each carrier is hit by 3 beams" read "each carrier is aimed at by 3 beams".

Apologies to Cspalla.

Bump reiteration.

You know, I really admire anyone who is willing to lose wars, battles, troops, whatever. That kind of thing ought to be promoted or rewarded somehow, so that more people do it.

Maybe a realistic-hit-taking-congratulation squad (RHTCS)!!!

It`s sad that we are at a point where such ideas can come up...

I was inspired by the Mod Protection Squad!

Humm...not a big deal with the carriers. Those things are not very maneuverable. A few of the frigates may have made it though....

Humm...not a big deal with the carriers. Those things are not very maneuverable. A few of the frigates may have made it though....

Go for it. Again, apologies. *smacks self*

Inspired by WV and Wazzu, I'll apologize for what may seem to be calling hits in my OOC post above. (The big one) It was not my intention to do so. I was just expressing my opinion so the situation, and attempting to explain why I thought my strike would be effective.

If I insulted you or otherwise caused offense with the large post, again, I apologize.

Also ... nations still needing to post casualties ...

Ardor
Neo-Wu
Scandivian States
Tersanctus

Rukemia had gravfleets inside AMF ... er ... as did Isla de Penguinata and Soviet Trasa.

As I explained in IdP's thread, I pulled out before the Angelus peace treaty, so you have no reason to attack me. Furthermore, I will be ignoring the attack on the basis that you have used OOC comments on a protected forum for an IC attack, that is if you have decided that you still want to attack me.

One, if you carefully examine the timeline, you began withdrawing no more than an hour and a half before firing. That's not really enough time to get away. Not only that, you didn't withdraw.

You moved to a higher orbit.

There is a difference. A big one.

As for your belief in the protected nature of forums, I'll let you revel in your own foolishness on that one.

As I explained in IdP's thread, I pulled out before the Angelus peace treaty, so you have no reason to attack me. Furthermore, I will be ignoring the attack on the basis that you have used OOC comments on a protected forum for an IC attack, that is if you have decided that you still want to attack me.


OOC: Ummm, isn't that what we call "OOC Knowledge" (AKA Godmoding, Piss-poor RPing, BS)?

Since it is an OOC conversation on another board (read: private communications within an outside group) you can't actually have that knowledge...If it is real (since anyone could photoshop those wonderful pics).

Just my 2 cents.

On the contrary. I believe that it is similar to intelligence services; if you hear from a source about events that will be happening in IC, then it's not using OOC knowledge. He obtained intelligence info about someone's future plans and used it IC.

Intel works in NS as well, you know. If someone obtained info that, for example, I posted in the DD board that I was going to attack you, I would completely accept that as a viable IC reason to attack me. Government meetings about such events are private IRL as well.

As I explained in IdP's thread, I pulled out before the Angelus peace treaty, so you have no reason to attack me. Furthermore, I will be ignoring the attack on the basis that you have used OOC comments on a protected forum for an IC attack, that is if you have decided that you still want to attack me.

They were comments passed on by a member of said forum privy to said information, clearly IC as they related IC matters.

That's an entirely justified reason for attack, IC. It's a comment just like one made here, except it was thought private and made public ... like telegrams. You have no real grounds for ignoring the attack, other than you don't want to lose a battle.

*sigh* Come on. Just grow up and take the hits.

Anyway, despite Automagfreek's re-appearance and subsequent ignores prior to the fact he knew he was going to lose his country's leadership, casualty reports still hoped for from:

Ardor
Neo-Wu
Tersanctus

And here's a sincere request: please don't ignore it. Automagfreek quite clearly was well up for bullying tiny nations that had no chance of defending themselves, yet ready to fire the ignore cannon rather than lose his leadership or indeed lose anything. Hence he sucked his nation into Hell and came back even eviller, yet somehow unharmed. Don't go the same route, it's more than a little pathetic.

Anyway, despite Automagfreek's re-appearance and subsequent ignores prior to the fact he knew he was going to lose his country's leadership, casualty reports still hoped for from:

Ardor
Neo-Wu
Tersanctus

And here's a sincere request: please don't ignore it. Automagfreek quite clearly was well up for bullying tiny nations that had no chance of defending themselves, yet ready to fire the ignore cannon rather than lose his leadership or indeed lose anything. Hence he sucked his nation into Hell and came back even eviller, yet somehow unharmed. Don't go the same route, it's more than a little pathetic.

Wow, you seem to like shooting your mouth off.

When I supposedly "bullied" smaller nations, they were at least in the same freaking tech bracket as me. Honestly, would any other person out there just simply allow their nation to be obliterated by ortillery and other space wank weapons? Hell no. So you God damn right I ignored all of you, I stood no freaking chance.

Until you are in this position WV, SHUT. THE. FUCK. UP.

When I supposedly "bullied" smaller nations, they were at least in the same freaking tech bracket as me. Honestly, would any other person out there just simply allow their nation to be obliterated by ortillery and other space wank weapons? Hell no. So you God damn right I ignored all of you, I stood no freaking chance.

Until you are in this position WV, SHUT. THE. f---. UP.

Been in that position, with Melkorian gravships bearing down on me and my Mig-39s being shot out of the sky. Guess what ... I dealt with it.

Besides, you accepted the space tech of your defenders ... including Tersanctus. And I don't think ortillery was ever planned in relation to Automagfreek itself. A ground war was the goal. So ...

<snip many silly things> Nemesis Gate and Colony only exist when convenient blah blah. And you sir can suck my dong until your neck breaks.

<laugh>

But seriously. Space assets were deployed because you had a colony on 47 Ursa Majoris and your allies threw them around. You could simply have requested a terrestrial war, instead of doing this. /shrug

But seriously. Space assets were deployed because you had a colony on 47 Ursa Majoris and your allies threw them around. You could simply have requested a terrestrial war, instead of doing this. /shrug

Bullshit. You would have whined about how space tech should be allowed, etc....fuck that. You twist things around no matter what the situation is.

Now listen, and listen good:

Space assets were deployed because the aggressor nations were space tech. Had they been stricktly modern tech, there would be no need for me to call in space nations to assist.

I gave up space tech awhile ago because it's shit to RP. I'm not a Star Trek nerd, I no jack shit about quantum physics, and I don't sit around jerking off to science fiction all day. I don't like space tech, and the rules of this site are very specific: I can RP with who I like, when I like.

That being said, consider this my last post to you. Now please, try to stop baiting me, the mods have already been alerted.

Bullshit. You would have whined about how space tech should be allowed, etc....fuck that. You twist things around no matter what the situation is.

You need to look around more, and look at the Knootoss war thread for example. I thoroughly dislike spacetech and have long been a vocal opponent of it. I've never, ever, ever attempted to use space tech on people I didn't think had it. You should really make some attempt to research things before using them as verbal barbs, non?

The war could have been avoided - you chose to walk out of negotiations instead of trying to deal. And you strengthened and altered your nation by putting it "into hell" and bringing it back as a result of the war ... and now you're ignoring the cause thereof?

That being said, consider this my last post to you. Now please, try to stop baiting me, the mods have already been alerted.

I'm not trying to bait you, I'm trying to put across a point of view. Besides, I'm not hijacking a thread, since this is my thread.

One last thing, however:

Wether you respect me or not, this is my decision, and I'm not going to be like Drum Gods and make empty promises about leaving. (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=82512&highlight=)

Jaysus. Look, less with the swearing and trolling / flaming. You hate each other. Fine; stop talking.

Now.

I don't hate Automagfreek, I don't actually develop feelings based on a phpBB forum, oddly ;)

That being said, I refer:

Ardor
Neo-Wu
Tersanctus

to this post up here (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=80884&start=360), since it's now been spammed down.

Alright, I'm willing to posts casualties, but from what? AMF's nation being sucked into some blackhole or whatever? Was their an ortillery strike or something? The last few pages in the IC thread turned into Sci-Fi and I really don't feel like reading it so someone please just give me a quick summary of what the fuck happened, because this has all become really confusing.

Alright, I'm willing to posts casualties, but from what? AMF's nation being sucked into some blackhole or whatever? Was their an ortillery strike or something? The last few pages in the IC thread turned into Sci-Fi and I really don't feel like reading it so someone please just give me a quick summary of what the f--- happened, because this has all become really confusing.

Automagfreek's nation essentially got destroyed by being sunk under the waves. In some paradigms it later returned after he did a Drum Gods, and came back from Hell. However, since said brief trip to Hell did nothing more than make his nation even more evil, I guess it's up to you what happens to your stuff. I suppose it could even have come back out of Hell really scared (depending on whether you wish to ignore him or not).

One, if you carefully examine the timeline, you began withdrawing no more than an hour and a half before firing. That's not really enough time to get away. Not only that, you didn't withdraw.

You moved to a higher orbit.

There is a difference. A big one.

As for your belief in the protected nature of forums, I'll let you revel in your own foolishness on that one.

You all seem to be forgetting something here, I tell you what I did and then you react accordingly. I am on the other side of the goddamn planet and moved before the peace treaty was originally signed. Now if you want to start another fucking war because I supported an ally then be my guest, but do so knowing that you'll also be attacking civilians because I've decided that after this fiasco I want nothing to do with Earth, we'll be out of your hair shortly.

we'll be out of your hair shortly.

Alright. Bye!

Telegrams have been sent to Ardor, Neo-Wu, Tersanctus.

As far as my timeline goes, at least, failure to give even a token response whilst actively continuing to pursue other threads will indicate total loss of fleets. :/