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OOC:
This thread is for OOC discussion of the Automagfreek discussion. Please don't confuse IC and OOC posts.

I'm not going to claim I have the right to set rules of engagement, however I would suggest the following based on what I've seen:
1) Don't lose your temper. For goodness sakes, it's a game. IC insults are not OOC insults.
2) Having said that, don't OOC insult people here. If you have complaints OOC such as numbers, bring them up here. If you have questions as to how things work, ask here.
3) Don't groundless ignore people. Try to work it out first.
4) Give people a fair chance to respond. Forum troubles, having real lives, and so on mean fast forwarding is bad. This includes using FTL to pop out behind someone and shoot them in the same turn.

The IC thread is here (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1805550#1805550).

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It's fixed. *kicks the slow forums*

got it thanks

Cspalla:

FTL broken over the Devil's Desert, not over the Automagfreek orbital area.

*hits self.

Gimme a minute, I'll slap some edits on.

And on the other thing: my 1st fleet is in constant earth orbit. The fleet would have just orbited a safe distance from the fleets around AMF.

Okay, I could swear I saw AMF ask everyone to put this on hold for a bit so that Angelus and a few more could reply before it came off. Putting it on hold doesn't mean start deploying fleets like crazy, and go apeshit. Please guys, I don't want this to turn into a shit-fest, but the way things have gone over the past 20 pages of posts concerning this litle party seem to point to exactly that. Let's take our time here.

As it stands, a few of the attackers have already begun pre-combat deployments, or in one case that I'm not sure about, attacking. Back off for a bit, please.

Scandivian States, put your OOC posts here. Rules apply to you too. Edit that out of the IC thread - anyone posting IC will read this too.

There was a point to having IC threads seperated from OOC, and your post is a fine example of why it was done.

Giant quote of what someone else wrote, one sentence OOC message from you.

Uhh, well it looks like all the attackers are movign their fleets to the combat area, i guess i will as well but i am not gonna attack

Pantera, I'm pretty sure people are just moving - no attacks yet.

Not everyone gets to teleport like Xanthal does. And if people follow the suggested rules, just moving will give AMF plenty of time to talk to people before actual attacks are made, since his replies will be needed before things go forward.

*hits self.

Gimme a minute, I'll slap some edits on.

And on the other thing: my 1st fleet is in constant earth orbit. The fleet would have just orbited a safe distance from the fleets around AMF.

My battlegroups are arranged in such a way that in order for anything to not have to break orbit they would have to go in between the two fleets.

Side View:
/
<== 5,000 Km==>|
<== 5,000 Km==>|
\

Front View:
- - - - -
- - - - -
- - - - -
- - - - -

Of course I could be wrong about not being able to break orbit, but it would be kind of hard not to go through the middle of the picket after you come around the horizon and see a bunch of warships, no?

Uhh, well it looks like all the attackers are movign their fleets to the combat area, i guess i will as well but i am not gonna attack

Everyone's steel penises(Space ships) are loaded and cocked(No pun intended), yet war hasn't borken out.

But of course, you don't put on a condom unless your gonna fuck.

In other words, war is now inevitable.

ADK, you're ignored, and continued posting in the "conflict" will result in me reporting you to the mods, AGAIN.

As for the rest of you, it's so nice to know that you kept this on pause like I asked. :roll:

Well, my ships (through sensor systems, orbital sensor emplacements, ect) would have seen a fleet that big quite away away. The ship's just pull off far enough to be away from yours. Maybe, in the scrictly speaking, they are not "orbiting," but they are there, watching, however far out they have to be. Think of it as a very distant orbit.

As it stands, a few of the attackers have already begun pre-combat deployments, or in one case that I'm not sure about, attacking. Back off for a bit, please.

It not going to happen like you fear (I hope). This is a re-set so people getting involved are meant to be registering their interest and declaring their mobilisation. That will include AMF and Angelus and everybody... and it'll happen before the attackers move out of port.

Right now strength is being gathered on both sides and you are quite correct that one side moving before the other has reacted is wrong. So they're not moving... they're RPing mobilisation (possibly a NS first :wink: ) and setting their forces asside for the engagement to come.

ADK, you're ignored, and continued posting in the "conflict" will result in me reporting you to the mods, AGAIN.

As for the rest of you, it's so nice to know that you kept this on pause like I asked. :roll:

I did, I'm just clarifying some things.

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List of sides:


AMF Forces

AMF
Pantera
Steel Butterfly
Scandavian States
Neo-Wu
Walten
Whittier (non-military roles)
Aequatio
Tiburon
Ardor
Kalessin
Neo-Wu
Skager
Rukemia
Watertest
The Eastern Bloc
Cspalla
Soviet Trasa
Diablo_NL
James Adams

Nations offering secret support
6

Regions

47 Ursa Majoris
The Allied Powers
Arda
aoe2
Orion Sector Alliance


EOTED Forces

Ma-tek
Sentient Peoples
Whispering Voices
Alvarezistan
Der Angst

ADK, you're ignored, and continued posting in the "conflict" will result in me reporting you to the mods, AGAIN.

As for the rest of you, it's so nice to know that you kept this on pause like I asked. :roll:

It's to bad posting in an open RP isn't an offense.

I'm not posting tubgirl, goatse, or anything like that. I'm trying to RP. I'm an ally of EOTED and have a right to post.

Don't greif/flame me with threats of taddle-telling on me to the mods for doing nothing except trying to RP with you. Listen, this is FREE FORM ROLE PLAY.

Er, what about me? I'm not exactly neutral you know.

Auto, leave ADK alone. As long as he doesn't fire on you, it doesn't matter does it?

And ADK? Don't fire on Auto, mmkay?

Now, as to pausing the war:

1) there is no war yet.

2) If Angelus wishes to respond, we have one, provided setup for her, and two, she has plenty of time, considering the speed of her FTL (which as a point was made to me earlier, I ought to accept, even if I don't like it. So I will) Be rest assured, we will deal with you when you arrive.

3) I'd personally appriciate it if Auto could list all the people he considers Allies to be assisting him, as to keep the war under some semblance of control.

List of sides:


AMF Forces

AMF
Pantera



EOTED Forces

Ma-tek
Sentient Peoples

To bad EOTED = Ma-Tek, Ma-Nenya, and Ax-Turath.

3) I'd personally appriciate it if Auto could list all the people he considers Allies to be assisting him, as to keep the war under some semblance of control.

Well, people are welcome to posts what side they are on at any time.

And as for ADK, he has been ignored by me for about 4 months now, and I refuse to RP with him. Anything he does will be promtly ignored.

3) I'd personally appriciate it if Auto could list all the people he considers Allies to be assisting him, as to keep the war under some semblance of control.

Well, people are welcome to posts what side they are on at any time.

And as for ADK, he has been ignored by me for about 4 months now, and I refuse to RP with him. Anything he does will be promtly ignored.

Mhmm... Really?

You didn't seem to ignore us in the Melkor war which has 2 months ago, or therabout.

Mhmm... Really?

You didn't seem to ignore us in the Melkor war which has 2 months ago, or therabout.

I ignored everything you did.

Now stop bothering me already.

3) I'd personally appriciate it if Auto could list all the people he considers Allies to be assisting him, as to keep the war under some semblance of control.

Well, people are welcome to posts what side they are on at any time.

And as for ADK, he has been ignored by me for about 4 months now, and I refuse to RP with him. Anything he does will be promtly ignored.

OOC: I thought you reacted to ADK firing ICBM at me a month ago?

Mhmm... Really?

You didn't seem to ignore us in the Melkor war which has 2 months ago, or therabout.

I ignored everything you did.

Now stop bothering me already.

Okay. So... If I hadn't been a major player in the attack on Orm Embar, your dropships would have never made it to Arda.

And AMF, you know we used to be Allies, and freindly OOCly.

I'm not bothering you, I'm debating with you.

List of sides:


AMF Forces

AMF
Pantera
Steel Butterfly
Xanthal
Scandavian States
Neo-Wu



EOTED Forces

The Empire of the Eternal Dawn
Sentient Peoples
Whispering Voices
Abu-Dhabi Kristatata



Nations in Italics are nations I know, or was under the impression, to be participating, and were left out of the original list by Auto.

ADK is underlined because Auto is ignoring them for some reason I'm not clear on. That does not mean that the rest of his side should ignore ADK without reason. ('Auto is so I can too' is not a reason)

BTW Ma-tek, you're NOT in orbital position over my country. Did they just magically appear? Besides, I have allied ships above my nation as well.

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Quick note - I have Xanthal effectively ignored, after he created weapons that could not be detected or stopped in any way, shape or form (his "changing the face of warfare" thread). And vice versa, after I discovered a dimension that released ions that had the only effect of destroying his stuff.

So ignores:

AMF/ADK
Whispering Voices/Xanthal

I should also point out that the Legacy will become involved but only against the far future nations (those that claim FTL that allows them to teleport into the thread, essentially). So I'd be most grateful if people who don't have FTL could please list their names here.

Obviously all of Chromestar have it. Who else?

Alvarezistan requests to be listed on the pro-EOTED side. Currently I have WV's IC permission to aid in the fight, though I'd spoil the surprise if I said in what capacity.

And for the record, I don't possess FTL. Our scientists tried to develop such tech, but the experimental light-speed drives pretty much crap out at anything above %60.

To bad EOTED = Ma-Tek, Ma-Nenya, and Ax-Turath.

OOC: Interesting. So Ma-Nenya and Ax-Turath are puppets of Ma-tek?

BTW Ma-tek, you're NOT in orbital position over my country. Did they just magically appear? Besides, I have allied ships above my nation as well.

The MISTAT's most likely aren't in geosynch so they are just making passes over your nation.

To bad EOTED = Ma-Tek, Ma-Nenya, and Ax-Turath.

OOC: Interesting. So Ma-Nenya and Ax-Turath are puppets of Ma-tek?

They're just played by the same player, currently. They all make up EOTED.

Quick note - I have Xanthal effectively ignored, after he created weapons that could not be detected or stopped in any way, shape or form (his "changing the face of warfare" thread). And vice versa, after I discovered a dimension that released ions that had the only effect of destroying his stuff.

So ignores:

AMF/ADK
Whispering Voices/Xanthal

I should also point out that the Legacy will become involved but only against the far future nations (those that claim FTL that allows them to teleport into the thread, essentially). So I'd be most grateful if people who don't have FTL could please list their names here.

Obviously all of Chromestar have it. Who else?

Fine, both shall be taken off the lists.

And yes, the CA has it, but it's not as fancy as Angelus's.

ALSO, any nations who magically have their fleets above my nation right now should restart and actually RP their arrival, and not just have them arrive in a few minutes.

So what? I'm not involved here anymore?

So what? I'm not involved here anymore?

I guess WV is ignoring you.....

Check TM's in a few minutes, Xan.

I see. Can't I just RP with everyone but him? I feel bad just abandoning you.

Quick note - I have Xanthal effectively ignored, after he created weapons that could not be detected or stopped in any way, shape or form (his "changing the face of warfare" thread). And vice versa, after I discovered a dimension that released ions that had the only effect of destroying his stuff.

So ignores:

AMF/ADK
Whispering Voices/Xanthal

I should also point out that the Legacy will become involved but only against the far future nations (those that claim FTL that allows them to teleport into the thread, essentially). So I'd be most grateful if people who don't have FTL could please list their names here.

Obviously all of Chromestar have it. Who else?

Fine, both shall be taken off the lists.

And yes, the CA has it, but it's not as fancy as Angelus's.

ALSO, any nations who magically have their fleets above my nation right now should restart and actually RP their arrival, and not just have them arrive in a few minutes.

The Pro-EOTED forces are near the Pro-AMF Space forces, but not directly above AMF.

When did Arda announce that it is siding with AMF publicly anyways?

And I thought Melkor dictates Arda (and he is away)?

Hey, where are the space forces of the anti AMF-forces, and what are thier numbers?

When did Arda announce that it is siding with AMF publicly anyways?

And I thought Melkor dictates Arda (and he is away)?

Arda is saying that their helping AMF, via Kalessin.

Hey, where are the space forces of the anti AMF-forces, and what are thier numbers?

I have 300 ships 10,000 km away from the Pro-AMF space forces...

Hey, where are the space forces of the anti AMF-forces, and what are thier numbers?

I have 300 ships 10,000 km away from the Pro-AMF space forces...

What type of ships, like larger than the ones i am using or do you have any info on ur ships?

16, not counting fighters, in orbit above Alvarezistan.

Hey, where are the space forces of the anti AMF-forces, and what are thier numbers?

I have 300 ships 10,000 km away from the Pro-AMF space forces...

What type of ships, like larger than the ones i am using or do you have any info on ur ships?

24 Light Destroyers

24 Assault Ships

72 Dropships

9 Missile Destroyers

9 Medium Destroyers

16 Heavy Destroyers

18 Light Battle Carriers

24 Battle Carriers

10 Cruisers

6 Missile Frigates

1 Dreadnaught

1 Super Battle Carrier

Total: 214 Ships (I think) Not including support vessels such as fleet tenders, armed merchantmen...

Alright. All these people offering ground forces to Automagfreek ... I'm getting the impression that they're mystically arriving on his land. By the same token that I haven't teleported specops to under Damien Dreadfire's bed, I'd pretty much ask that people go to the effort of deploying forces.

My ideal situation would be this:

Person A moves.
Person B moves.
Person A reacts to move.
Person B reacts to reaction to move.
Person A fires.
Person B takes casualties, fires back.
Person A takes casualties, fires back.
Person B takes casualties, launches dropships with troops on to <location>.

That way both sides get to point out defences relevant, react to obvious deployments, etc. Simply putting 400 SAMs in Automagfreek's island is a bit ... off. Apologies if I misread that post.

OK ... questions! I'd like IC answers, although if something is as yet unrevealed IC please note that down next to it.

I'd like to know the numerical summary by class of all the AMF allies involved, and all of those that are in orbit above AMF, as they're being scanned.

Ardor, I need to know things about your ships:
a) how does your shield work?
b) details of your particle cannons - charge, range, power, firing speed etc.
c) details of your kinetics - effective range (ie. range that they can course correct in), composition, size in m3, mass, acceleration, etc.

The main reason for this is that I actually have a spreadsheet that works out the effects of stuff on my ships, and the 'ideal' (ie. probable) effects of my stuff on other people's ships. If people haven't got actual data for such tiny details, I'll simply make some rough assumptions based on what other people are using.

Okay, I have FTL drives myself, slipstream actualy, my main weapons are Hydrogen Fusion missiles, small, about the size of a TOW missile, and Charge Particle Cannons, particles, (between the size of a grape to a big beach ball) The round is charged first magnetily, then with plasma, and hrueld out of the gun by use of magnets.

With a throbbing headache, a bitching girlfriend, and a loaded pistol, I have decided to retire for the night, as this is just the thing that could set me off and spell doom for hundreds of people. I have three hydrocodone and 30$. I plan to get good and drunk. I will see you all in the morning.

I won't be leaving for another 20-30 minutes, so if anyone needs to say something to me, send a telegram and quickly. I'll check 'em a few times before I head out. I'll see you all tomorrow.

Rock&Roll

If anyone wants to know, I have FTL and am currently outfitting Battle Regiments IV and V with it. No sheilds, and I only use lasers as guidiance systems and point defense systems. Gauss Cannons baby.

With a throbbing headache, a bitching girlfriend, and a loaded pistol, I have decided to retire for the night, as this is just the thing that could set me off and spell doom for hundreds of people. I have three hydrocodone and 30$. I plan to get good and drunk. I will see you all in the morning.

I won't be leaving for another 20-30 minutes, so if anyone needs to say something to me, send a telegram and quickly. I'll check 'em a few times before I head out. I'll see you all tomorrow.

Rock&Roll

I shall retire for the night soon.

BTW, ADK, you're still ignored, stop wasting your time.

Stuff

I shall retire for the night soon.

BTW, ADK, you're still ignored, stop wasting your time.

Your allies don't ignore me.

Stuff

I shall retire for the night soon.

BTW, ADK, you're still ignored, stop wasting your time.

Your allies don't ignore me.

I do.

In regards to the first, the repulser field is pretty much only used against such weapons as a rail gun, where as the several devices emit certain magnetic fields whihc repel or at least slow down in comming metalic objects, and when poweful enough , the megnetic field can warp space and cuase some energy weapons to diverge from their present course.

For number 2 the charge is in the power output, but the basic force of these cannons is that the electrical output of the cannons is as if 1 megawatt were a 2 ton object(so massive damamge). But the recharge time is huge, over 5 minutes per shot, but all can be fired at same time.
The range is unlimited except that the targettign computers can only calculate as far as about 40,000 km, after that the cannons only have a 1 in 500 chance of hitting thier targets, and at 40,000 km the cannons have only a 1 in 50 chance of hitting.

ANd kenetics, well the onyl thing i really understand is that acelleration and range, well the ships range is unlimited, as long as it doesnt overheat, which happens after about 3 light years. As for acceleration, all of the ships can accelerate up to .156 km a sec.

AS for the commetn i asked about moving troops, i havent moved them yet.

Stuff

I shall retire for the night soon.

BTW, ADK, you're still ignored, stop wasting your time.

Your allies don't ignore me.

I do.

Whopee-fuckin-doo man..

There's Ardor, SS, and others.

Besides Alvar and Wisper can take you down Neo-Wu... Let's not forget the big bad IDF SF, and FSP's SF.

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Listen, ADK. I don't give a shit what you think, and I never have. I especially don't care who you think can defeat me, because that hasn't been proven yet.

Seriously, try to think why alot of the nations on NS ignore you. If you actually learned how to roleplay, perhaps people would actually realize this and start to accept your roleplaying. I don't see this happening...ever... so if you could just leave me alone, we can both go along our merry ways.

Besides Alvar and Wisper can take you down Neo-Wu... Let's not forget the big bad IDF SF, and FSP's SF.

Heh. Given my military is based on my defence spend, manufacture and arms manufacture industries ... I wouldn't imagine Neo-Wu would constitute much more than a brief blip during the fight.

However, IC propaganda such as Neo-Wu's is an essential part of any fight. And please - let's not get into this.


AMF = ignoring ADK.
Voices = ignoring Xanthal.

I'm going to ask AMF to agree to remove both ADK and Xanthal from the conflict if these ignores continue to spiral, as it looks like they're going to (Isla, you don't have a legitimate prior ignore to use against ADK. Let's not bandwagon here, ok? Especially since Sentient Peoples agreed to acknowledge extra-system nations in order that AMF would acknowledge the fleet.

And, people with FTL travel - it's not teleportation, chrissakes, it's just faster than the speed of light in vacuum. I'm not going to make a big fuss about it now, but bloody hell.

And, people with FTL travel - it's not teleportation, chrissakes, it's just faster than the speed of light in vacuum. I'm not going to make a big fuss about it now, but bloody hell.

I never said mine was teleportation, but my forces arrived very quickly because they are in earth orbit or within a very short distance

Right. No more OOC posts in the IC thread. You have an entire damn thread to post OOC in, here.

So what are the sides and fronts of this war? I mean obviously Ma-tek vs. AMF...but who's allies...fighting who's allies...and where is the fighting taking place...etc

and AMF...check telegrams

Okay, Steel there is currently no fighting, and no fronts.

There are apparently a crap load of ships in orbit. No one has fired yet, though.

List of allies are on page 2 of this thread.

*cough* I think that you forgot someone *cough*

My, aren't you in a churlish mood, Neo-Wu.

The nations that ignore me are nations like you, AMF, Bisons, Belem... and that's pretty much it.

Bisons and Belem, their both morons. You have no real prominant standing in the NS community, and AMF's reputation is declining.

Really, none of the people that ignore me have very legitimate reasons.

Enough.

No more opinions on the Ignoring til Automagfreek gets a say. Thanks in advance for your co-operation, and goodbye in advance if anyone else feels the urge to say anything about it until he's had a chance to think about it.

Xanthal said he will stay out via TM, and ADK will also stay out.

Xanthal said he will stay out via TM, and ADK will also stay out.

Tentatively agreed to, given EOTED is currently asleep. Thanks - that needed to be nipped in the bud.

UPDATED List of sides:


AMF Forces

AMF
Pantera
Steel Butterfly
Scandavian States
Neo-Wu
Walten
Cartazo
Maxter
Cspalla
Whittier
Aequatio
Tiburon
Ardor
Kalessin
Neo-Wu
Skager
Rukemia
Watertest

Regions

47 Ursa Majoris
The Allied Powers
Arda
aoe2
Orion Sector Alliance


EOTED Forces

Ma-tek
Sentient Peoples
Whispering Voices
Alvarezistan

If Whittier's involved, he needs to justify having a satellite with fifteen thousand ICBMs on it :p

If Whittier's involved, he needs to justify having a satellite with fifteen thousand ICBMs on it :p

lol....oh god.... :roll:

If Whittier's involved, he needs to justify having a satellite with fifteen thousand ICBMs on it :p

It's not that many.

ICBM's are huge. On a single satellite? 15k of them?

That is quite frankly, insane.

Also, I'd like to request that all communications between governments take place in the orginal thread, and not in the IC thread, seeing as how it is quickly going to become way cluttered, at this rate.

Also, anyone who makes no attempt to RP will be asked once to shape up. A second time to stop posting, and a third time I will report you to the mods.

I hope that is clear enough.

Also, I'd like to explain something to everyone.

I've seen an awful lot of posts like this:

I give the following forces to country A for use in this conflict. List of Forces

That is completely insane. No nation would ever do such a thing. Joint operations, and even subordinate command structures, yes, but donating force? Hell no.

Forces remain under the command of the officers of the nation to whom they belong. If you are not going to RP your own forces in the conflict, your forces are ignored. Period.

You can tentatively add my name to the list on AMF's side... the Directorate is debating the subject as we speak.

Just because AMF and Neo-Wu doesn't mean I can't be in this conflict. As an ally of EOTED, I have a right to Roleplay in this conflict.

Quit abusing your priviledge to ignore.

ICBM's are huge. On a single satellite? 15k of them?

That is quite frankly, insane.

Also, I'd like to request that all communications between governments take place in the orginal thread, and not in the IC thread, seeing as how it is quickly going to become way cluttered, at this rate.

Also, anyone who makes no attempt to RP will be asked once to shape up. A second time to stop posting, and a third time I will report you to the mods.

I hope that is clear enough.

Also, I'd like to explain something to everyone.

I've seen an awful lot of posts like this:

I give the following forces to country A for use in this conflict. List of Forces

That is completely insane. No nation would ever do such a thing. Joint operations, and even subordinate command structures, yes, but donating force? Hell no.

Forces remain under the command of the officers of the nation to whom they belong. If you are not going to RP your own forces in the conflict, your forces are ignored. Period.

What about joint alliance forces? They exist in real life and will exist in this RP.

If Whittier's involved, he needs to justify having a satellite with fifteen thousand ICBMs on it :p

It's not that many.

It is according to when he questioned himself using his own puppet, the Southpacific - and presumably if anyone would know it would be Whittier.* (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=80305&highlight=)


All ICBM's targeted at AMF will be destroyed automatically by Pandora's Box which has been reprogrammed to assume that all missiles and ICBM's are tipped with nuclear weapons.
As such, Pandora's Box will eradicate them once they are launched, even if they only have conventional warheads.
Exceptions are short range missiles such as Tomahawks.
(The only weakness of Pandoras Box, can't shoot short rangers.)


Isn't Pandora's Box the sattelite that has all those hundreds of nukes on it?
How can it shoot down other missiles?
BTW, out of curiousity, since your not at war with any one and no longer have hostility toward any nation, where exactly are your 15,000 nukes pointed at? More specifically, in what direction or at what nation is Pandora's Box pointed at?

The government has noted your concern and the military has been ordered to study the benefits of retargeting the nukes at empty space should any be launched on accident.

* Although reading that, I'm suddenly struck with the impression that neither Whittier nor Whittier's own puppet actually know how big an ICBM is, let alone how many can be on one satellite (one satellite, or "Earth Eclipsing Planet" as I'd call it, given not even the nuke-mad United States dares keep an ICBM silo within 14 miles of another ICBM silo. 14x15,000=210,000 miles.) Even if they were honeycombed next to each other, an ICBM launch facility is 12' in diameter, so that's up to 180,000 feet long.

To bad EOTED = Ma-Tek, Ma-Nenya, and Ax-Turath.

OOC: Interesting. So Ma-Nenya and Ax-Turath are puppets of Ma-tek?

They're just played by the same player, currently. They all make up EOTED.

OOC: Hence they are puppets. Thank you for clarifying.

To bad EOTED = Ma-Tek, Ma-Nenya, and Ax-Turath.

OOC: Interesting. So Ma-Nenya and Ax-Turath are puppets of Ma-tek?

They're just played by the same player, currently. They all make up EOTED.

OOC: Hence they are puppets. Thank you for clarifying.

The military force is provided wholly by the nation "Ax-Turath" however. The other two appear to be just background.

To bad EOTED = Ma-Tek, Ma-Nenya, and Ax-Turath.

OOC: Interesting. So Ma-Nenya and Ax-Turath are puppets of Ma-tek?

They're just played by the same player, currently. They all make up EOTED.

OOC: Hence they are puppets. Thank you for clarifying.

So they can only be used one at a time. So...

If Ma-tek falls...then the player may use say....Ma-Nenya. If Ma-Nenya falls then the player may use Ax-Turath.

They can not be used at the same time...ever...

What about joint alliance forces? They exist in real life and will exist in this RP.

My post did not address them, did it? No, it didn't.

The usage of a defined command structure of an alliance is one thing, and I don't mind that at all.

But there are certain people out there who like to donate forces to a nation and never again say another thing in the thread, other than "Dude, my donated forces are pwning you!" even when they aren't.

It's that I am objecting to, not allied forces, as long as each person who donated said forces RP there own forces, unless there is a defined agreement somewhere previous to this incident, that as part of an alliance thee is money donated for force construction to a central force, which is RP'd by a single player.

Show me that.

bleh

To bad EOTED = Ma-Tek, Ma-Nenya, and Ax-Turath.

OOC: Interesting. So Ma-Nenya and Ax-Turath are puppets of Ma-tek?

They're just played by the same player, currently. They all make up EOTED.

OOC: Hence they are puppets. Thank you for clarifying.

So they can only be used one at a time. So...

If Ma-tek falls...then the player may use say....Ma-Nenya. If Ma-Nenya falls then the player may use Ax-Turath.

They can not be used at the same time...ever...

Yes, yes they can. EOTED = Ma-Tek, Ma-Nenya, and Ax-Turath. In Roleplay they are one, according to the UN they're seperate.

All minus two nations of the Orion Sector (my empire) were originally run by others...and I role play them as one....can I use them as real nations?

Besides...why shouldn't I just whip out The Ultimate Weapon? (http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0RQDZAkEVQO4!ht35ovuIfs3AYhhls0dQI!VX30VsgLIpIRINg9sacMxJ12mREvCzjxcj!rxTDP9OtDQmZrOm6T*FWEbvtkvX9OM fF6og5gQ/redex.gif?dc=4675437829160017307) :roll:

I'm sorry SP, but I've never heard this talk out of you.

Do I sense desperation?

Not so sure if anybody cares, but just incase anybody does, I will be RPing my troops departure from Rukemia and arrival into AMF. I wont just say my stuff magically appears out of nowhere in the middle of AMF. This is too good of an RP to use cheap shit like that. Oh well, just wanted to get that cleared up.

To bad EOTED = Ma-Tek, Ma-Nenya, and Ax-Turath.

OOC: Interesting. So Ma-Nenya and Ax-Turath are puppets of Ma-tek?

They're just played by the same player, currently. They all make up EOTED.

OOC: Hence they are puppets. Thank you for clarifying.

So they can only be used one at a time. So...

If Ma-tek falls...then the player may use say....Ma-Nenya. If Ma-Nenya falls then the player may use Ax-Turath.

They can not be used at the same time...ever...

Yes, yes they can. EOTED = Ma-Tek, Ma-Nenya, and Ax-Turath. In Roleplay they are one, according to the UN they're seperate.

So, using three puppets as one unit is okay?

So I guess RPing the exponential growth of Oglethorpia to two billion people in only a month is okay too?

In my mind, using puppets to supplement people for a larger military or to serve as a backup should a main nation fall seems rather cheap.

Not so sure if anybody cares, but just incase anybody does, I will be RPing my troops departure from Rukemia and arrival into AMF. I wont just say my stuff magically appears out of nowhere in the middle of AMF. This is too good of an RP to use cheap shit like that. Oh well, just wanted to get that cleared up.

hehe I care :) thanks.

As for the discussion about EOTED, I'll wait for his correction on this but from previous discussions they're based on roleplay and Ax-Turath is the military nation that makes them ... Ma-Nenya is his spiritual nation, where the Nenyans grow up. Ma-Tek is like ... /shrug. No idea :P

OOC: Nice clever little twist Diablo. I suppose now we have to figure out degrees of puppetness just to satisfy you?

The fact is, Ma-tek controls them, which makes them puppets unless the three nations do not interact. Who really cares if a person starts up nations or is given that nation's password. Influence is what matters.

It's fine if a person has multiple nations and they rarely, if ever, interact. I would like to hear Ma-tek's take on it.

EOTED is composed of four nations for flavor purposes, just like the Federation of Sentient Peoples. We both RP a static population of ~2 billion, with different reasoning behind it.

It is not puppeteering. Also we both play under the one day IRL = one day in game, with some time flexibilty, the primary reason for static populations.

Neither of us is going to come online and smack you about with 80 bazillion troops each from our four states of our nation.

Though I'm quite aware that there are people who would.

If you have a problem with mine and EOTED's RP'd nations, get out of the conflict now, as they have both been accepted by friend and primary foes, which happen to include the best RPers in the game.

Heck, if puppets are getting used, I want to get my nations in Cspallan Space in on the action.

:twisted:

If Ma-tek wants to use the whole EOTED, then I'll use the entire Empire of Automagfreek, which is close to 5 billion.

All minus two nations of the Orion Sector (my empire) were originally run by others...and I role play them as one....can I use them as real nations?

Besides...why shouldn't I just whip out The Ultimate Weapon? (http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0RQDZAkEVQO4!ht35ovuIfs3AYhhls0dQI!VX30VsgLIpIRINg9sacMxJ12mREvCzjxcj!rxTDP9OtDQmZrOm6T*FWEbvtkvX9OM fF6og5gQ/redex.gif?dc=4675437829160017307) :roll:

forgetting the stupid comment at the bottom...I would like to know about the use of my puppets in this war...if Ma-tek can do it...why can't I?

EOTED's population is permantly capped at 2 billion.

Just let EOTED be... God damned Rebel Rousers.

*redirects comments to above*
*points out, if it comes to puppets, Whispering Voices comes to 9 billion with not a nation below 1,500 defence spending.*

However, since puppet abuse is not happening it scarcely matters, right?

Right.

*redirects comments to above*
*points out, if it comes to puppets, Whispering Voices comes to 9 billion with not a nation below 1,500 defence spending.*

However, since puppet abuse is not happening it scarcely matters, right?

Right.

Well, if you want to include the puppets that I didn't have assimilation RPs done for, I'd be close to if not over 8 or 9 billion, with an average economy of Frightening.

Puppets are out of the question, so do not discuss them any longer.

*redirects comments to above*
*points out, if it comes to puppets, Whispering Voices comes to 9 billion with not a nation below 1,500 defence spending.*

However, since puppet abuse is not happening it scarcely matters, right?

Right.

So we're to simply "shutup and accept" what Ma-tek and SP are doing yet leave our own empire out of it?

*redirects comments to above*
*points out, if it comes to puppets, Whispering Voices comes to 9 billion with not a nation below 1,500 defence spending.*

However, since puppet abuse is not happening it scarcely matters, right?

Right.

So we're to simply "shutup and accept" what Ma-tek and SP are doing yet leave our own empire out of it?

Puppets are out of the question, so do not discuss them any longer.

What about joint alliance forces? They exist in real life and will exist in this RP.

My post did not address them, did it? No, it didn't.

The usage of a defined command structure of an alliance is one thing, and I don't mind that at all.

But there are certain people out there who like to donate forces to a nation and never again say another thing in the thread, other than "Dude, my donated forces are pwning you!" even when they aren't.

It's that I am objecting to, not allied forces, as long as each person who donated said forces RP there own forces, unless there is a defined agreement somewhere previous to this incident, that as part of an alliance thee is money donated for force construction to a central force, which is RP'd by a single player.

Show me that.

OOC: What's with this defined agreement stuff? Do you realize how easily this ridiculous demand of yours can be circumnavigated? All the interested parties have to do is RP a little thread saying: "Dude, if you're in trouble I will lend you XX forces under your command if I'm too busy."

Perhaps a person is too busy in real-life, okay? I agree that the practice can be abused but it's not always possible for all the concerned parties to be online all the time just so they can RP an attack.

If we took your advice, an entire war could be held up if one guy wasn't around for a few days.

*redirects comments to above*
*points out, if it comes to puppets, Whispering Voices comes to 9 billion with not a nation below 1,500 defence spending.*

However, since puppet abuse is not happening it scarcely matters, right?

Right.

So we're to simply "shutup and accept" what Ma-tek and SP are doing yet leave our own empire out of it?

Puppets are out of the question, so do not discuss them any longer.

'Twas posted after I began to write

So Vrak - like the Resi war? ;/

*redirects comments to above*
*points out, if it comes to puppets, Whispering Voices comes to 9 billion with not a nation below 1,500 defence spending.*

However, since puppet abuse is not happening it scarcely matters, right?

Right.

So we're to simply "shutup and accept" what Ma-tek and SP are doing yet leave our own empire out of it?

Puppets are out of the question, so do not discuss them any longer.

You don't seem to mind Ma-tek and co. breaking out several nations...forgive me if I misread what you are saying.

If Whittier's involved, he needs to justify having a satellite with fifteen thousand ICBMs on it :p

It's not that many.

It is according to when he questioned himself using his own puppet, the Southpacific - and presumably if anyone would know it would be Whittier.* (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=80305&highlight=)


All ICBM's targeted at AMF will be destroyed automatically by Pandora's Box which has been reprogrammed to assume that all missiles and ICBM's are tipped with nuclear weapons.
As such, Pandora's Box will eradicate them once they are launched, even if they only have conventional warheads.
Exceptions are short range missiles such as Tomahawks.
(The only weakness of Pandoras Box, can't shoot short rangers.)


Isn't Pandora's Box the sattelite that has all those hundreds of nukes on it?
How can it shoot down other missiles?
BTW, out of curiousity, since your not at war with any one and no longer have hostility toward any nation, where exactly are your 15,000 nukes pointed at? More specifically, in what direction or at what nation is Pandora's Box pointed at?

The government has noted your concern and the military has been ordered to study the benefits of retargeting the nukes at empty space should any be launched on accident.

* Although reading that, I'm suddenly struck with the impression that neither Whittier nor Whittier's own puppet actually know how big an ICBM is, let alone how many can be on one satellite (one satellite, or "Earth Eclipsing Planet" as I'd call it, given not even the nuke-mad United States dares keep an ICBM silo within 14 miles of another ICBM silo. 14x15,000=210,000 miles.) Even if they were honeycombed next to each other, an ICBM launch facility is 12' in diameter, so that's up to 180,000 feet long.

Requoted from earlier since it got missed in all this nonsense about puppets.

You don't seem to mind Ma-tek and co. breaking out sveral nations...forgive me if I misread what you are saying.


You're forgiven, and told to go and read the prior posts. This isn't a Greater Empire of Trousrs or a Sean Empire situation, which is what you're making it out to be.

Alright, look.

The only reason we're discussing puppets (always been frowned upon) and loaning forces (regularly practiced) is because WV and SP realize they are in over their heads. They're trying to turn things around to benefit them, but it's not going to work.

Look WV, SP, and EOTED: you guys are facing 17+ nations, and 5 regions. Stop with these stupid discussions about the ethics of puppets, because up until now, the notion of using whole "empires" has been utterly frowned upon. It's not going to happen, and it looks like the 3 of you plus Alverezistan are in this by yourselves.

What I see is that one party can use a few nation controled by one person, and other can. In otherwords, BS. (IMHO that is)

Yeah AMF you might say they are up shit creek without a paddle right about now...

Yeah AMF you might say they are up shit creek without a paddle right about now...

EOTED is composed of four nations for flavor purposes, just like the Federation of Sentient Peoples. We both RP a static population of ~2 billion, with different reasoning behind it.

It is not puppeteering.

It is if they supplement eachother with troops, etc...


Also we both play under the one day IRL = one day in game, with some time flexibilty, the primary reason for static populations.

So? Just because you and Ma-tek go by that formula doesn't mean everyone else has to.

Neither of us is going to come online and smack you about with 80 bazillion troops each from our four states of our nation.

Though I'm quite aware that there are people who would.

And yet, you have no problem with different nations acting as one. I'll do well to remember these remarks. At least you have a cap.

If you have a problem with mine and EOTED's RP'd nations, get out of the conflict now, as they have both been accepted by friend and primary foes, which happen to include the best RPers in the game.

"Best RPs in the game" = appeal to authority. Go look it up. And besides, I'm not in this war but I'm offering my opinion. Nothing wrong with that I hope. Frankly, I tire of your condescension Sentient Peoples.

edit: Whoops! Add in "appeal to popularity" as well for your ridiculous "Best RPers" remark.

I've been thinking... AMF has a Supreme Warlord, a Queen, AND a President? Ahem... How does it, um.. How's it work?

That last post in the IC thread was unexpectedly my last for tonight so I'll RP the troops arrival tommorow. I know it looks basic but I'll try to get more in depth later on. I'm out.

I've been thinking... AMF has a Supreme Warlord, a Queen, AND a President? Ahem... How does it, um.. How's it work?

AMF is unique in that manner.

It's complicated, but that's another discussion for another thread.

Don't mistake quality for quantity, AMF. Besides which, I'm neither using puppets nor complaining about the idiocy of a nation just giving troops to another nation because they're too lazy to roleplay said troops. After all, if we go exactly by nationstates stats, going by the last UN defence and arms manufacturing polls, I have a bigger military than any five of your allies put together. Not to mention the difference in having two nations that have a believable % of their population in the military, or one nation that has a ridiculous % of their population in the military. So ...

I'm not quite sure how to go over the puppet thing again, other than to say - once more - that the forces of EOTED are supplied wholly by Ax-Turath. Ma-Tek and Ma-Nenya are role play states.

Sentient People's forces are based on the nation Sentient Peoples. The Halo and their other nations are - like stated above, and like you admit to having - role play states.

Hence, you are fighting two countries - Sentient Peoples and Ax-Turath. The fact they add flavour from different areas is not them adding huge numbers by using multiple nations.

In both cases, the destruction of said country would result in the other parts of the state being rollovers anyway. As also said, many of the top RP nations in the game have accepted the use of said things for role-play purposes.

Now let that be an end to Vrak's derailment of the thread, and address my point about Whittier, please.

Answers? http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=79411

Yeah AMF you might say they are up shit creek without a paddle right about now...

They wouldn't be if certain pwoerful nations weren't ignored for no good reason >_>.

Oh please....like your forces would really change things all that much...no offense but well...come on.

If Whittier's involved, he needs to justify having a satellite with fifteen thousand ICBMs on it :p

It's not that many.

It is according to when he questioned himself using his own puppet, the Southpacific - and presumably if anyone would know it would be Whittier.* (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=80305&highlight=)


All ICBM's targeted at AMF will be destroyed automatically by Pandora's Box which has been reprogrammed to assume that all missiles and ICBM's are tipped with nuclear weapons.
As such, Pandora's Box will eradicate them once they are launched, even if they only have conventional warheads.
Exceptions are short range missiles such as Tomahawks.
(The only weakness of Pandoras Box, can't shoot short rangers.)


Isn't Pandora's Box the sattelite that has all those hundreds of nukes on it?
How can it shoot down other missiles?
BTW, out of curiousity, since your not at war with any one and no longer have hostility toward any nation, where exactly are your 15,000 nukes pointed at? More specifically, in what direction or at what nation is Pandora's Box pointed at?

The government has noted your concern and the military has been ordered to study the benefits of retargeting the nukes at empty space should any be launched on accident.

* Although reading that, I'm suddenly struck with the impression that neither Whittier nor Whittier's own puppet actually know how big an ICBM is, let alone how many can be on one satellite (one satellite, or "Earth Eclipsing Planet" as I'd call it, given not even the nuke-mad United States dares keep an ICBM silo within 14 miles of another ICBM silo. 14x15,000=210,000 miles.) Even if they were honeycombed next to each other, an ICBM launch facility is 12' in diameter, so that's up to 180,000 feet long.

Requoted again from earlier since it got missed in all this nonsense about puppets.

Hey, where are the space forces of the anti AMF-forces, and what are thier numbers?

I have 300 ships 10,000 km away from the Pro-AMF space forces...

I would like to take the time to dispute this claim, a good majority of my capital weaponry is in the 10,000-16,000 Km range, I would have fired on ADK already.

Don't mistake quality for quantity, AMF. Besides which, I'm neither using puppets nor complaining about the idiocy of a nation just giving troops to another nation because they're too lazy to roleplay said troops. After all, if we go exactly by nationstates stats, going by the last UN defence and arms manufacturing polls, I have a bigger military than any five of your allies put together. So ...

I'm not quite sure how to go over the puppet thing again, other than to say - once more - that the forces of EOTED are supplied wholly by Ax-Turath. Ma-Tek and Ma-Nenya are role play states.

Sentient People's forces are based on the nation Sentient Peoples. The Halo and their other nations are - like stated above, and like you admit to having - role play states.

Hence, you are fighting two countries - Sentient Peoples and Ax-Turath. The fact they add flavour from different areas is not them adding huge numbers by using multiple nations.

In both cases, the destruction of said country would result in the other parts of the state being rollovers anyway. As also said, many of the top RP nations in the game have accepted the use of said things for role-play purposes.

Now let that be an end to Vrak's derailment of the thread, and address my point about Whittier, please.

OOC:

Nice try WV, but my comments are hardly a derailment. How do you define puppets? If controlled by the same nation and they all lend troops to eachother then I would say that means puppetry - regardless of how you try to dress it up RP wise.

Indeed...I think of all my nationstates in Cspallan Space as secondary states to Cspalla. I could dress things up and claim its all one nation...and I'm sure that would be called wrong.

Oh please....like your forces would really change things all that much...no offense but well...come on.

Well. It makes things easier.

Vrak, if you actually read what I had said you would see that they weren't lending troops to each other.

Elementary reading lessons may be found here (http://www.readinglesson.com/).

Since you're not involved, and you're ignoring everything people say in your desperate urge to make a nuisance of yourself, I suggest that you either a) leave, or b) learn to read, and then read the huge number of times that I have said they don't give troops to one another.

Of course, you can do c) which is keep whining on about it in an unjustified manner, but that will make you look even more of a moron than you already do (a challenge, but I sense you are wholly capable of rising to the occasion).

Hey, where are the space forces of the anti AMF-forces, and what are thier numbers?

I have 300 ships 10,000 km away from the Pro-AMF space forces...

I would like to take the time to dispute this claim, a good majority of my capital weaponry is in the 10,000-16,000 Km range, I would have fired on ADK already.

Too bad hostilities haven't borken out.

Would you like me to change it to say... 30,000 km?

Allright, I'm done for the night..be back Tuesday, 4 pm EST (ish)

Hey, where are the space forces of the anti AMF-forces, and what are thier numbers?

I have 300 ships 10,000 km away from the Pro-AMF space forces...

I would like to take the time to dispute this claim, a good majority of my capital weaponry is in the 10,000-16,000 Km range, I would have fired on ADK already.

Too bad hostilities haven't borken out.

Would you like me to change it to say... 30,000 km?

The real life time gap doesn't necessarily mean there is an IC one.

If you get to assume your ships move, you can assume that the enemy will have reacted as well; just because he isn't around doesn't mean his troops sit lifelessly, or anything absurd like that.

Hey, where are the space forces of the anti AMF-forces, and what are thier numbers?

I have 300 ships 10,000 km away from the Pro-AMF space forces...

I would like to take the time to dispute this claim, a good majority of my capital weaponry is in the 10,000-16,000 Km range, I would have fired on ADK already.

Too bad hostilities haven't borken out.

Would you like me to change it to say... 30,000 km?

It would be acceptable, but not wise. Go look at my picket formation and then state your range, it also might be wise to look at my force deployments because if I had wanted to then I could have blown you to hell before you could blink. As for hostilities, we know of your support for the EOTED and given past histories we consider you a hostile nation anyways.

Hey, where are the space forces of the anti AMF-forces, and what are thier numbers?

I have 300 ships 10,000 km away from the Pro-AMF space forces...

I would like to take the time to dispute this claim, a good majority of my capital weaponry is in the 10,000-16,000 Km range, I would have fired on ADK already.

Too bad hostilities haven't borken out.

Would you like me to change it to say... 30,000 km?

It would be acceptable, but not wise. Go look at my picket formation and then state your range, it also might be wise to look at my force deployments because if I had wanted to then I could have blown you to hell before you could blink. As for hostilities, we know of your support for the EOTED and given past histories we consider you a hostile nation anyways.

Meh. I'll just edit the post. Anything else you see wrong with it?

Ah, Whispering Voices, a nice cute link trying to belittle people. How childish and how like someone who is losing.

I did catch what you said earlier. Here is one of your remarks:


Whispering Voices:
The military force is provided wholly by the nation "Ax-Turath" however. The other two appear to be just background.



Whispering Voices
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Founded: 20 Feb 2003
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Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 10:27 pm Post subject:

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Rukemia wrote:
Not so sure if anybody cares, but just incase anybody does, I will be RPing my troops departure from Rukemia and arrival into AMF. I wont just say my stuff magically appears out of nowhere in the middle of AMF. This is too good of an RP to use cheap shit like that. Oh well, just wanted to get that cleared up.


hehe I care thanks.

As for the discussion about EOTED, I'll wait for his correction on this but from previous discussions they're based on roleplay and Ax-Turath is the military nation that makes them ... Ma-Nenya is his spiritual nation, where the Nenyans grow up. Ma-Tek is like ... /shrug. No idea

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Vrak
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OOC: Nice clever little twist Diablo. I suppose now we have to figure out degrees of puppetness just to satisfy you?

The fact is, Ma-tek controls them, which makes them puppets unless the three nations do not interact. Who really cares if a person starts up nations or is given that nation's password. Influence is what matters.

It's fine if a person has multiple nations and they rarely, if ever, interact. I would like to hear Ma-tek's take on it.


I added in the bold face just so you can catch it.

Besides, you really don’t know the entire makeup of the EOTED, correct? Until we here from Ma-tek, then you and I don’t know. To me, the EOTED suspiciously look like 3 puppets and do remember that two or more countries controlled by one player augmenting eachother is a frowned upon practice in NS. Would you agree to that?

I also think thiese two comments interesting:


http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=80884&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=80

Steel Butterfly Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 10:19 pm Post subject:
So they can only be used one at a time. So...

If Ma-tek falls...then the player may use say....Ma-Nenya. If Ma-Nenya falls then the player may use Ax-Turath.

They can not be used at the same time...ever...


Abu-Dhabi Khristatata
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Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 10:22 pm Post subject:

Yes, yes they can. EOTED = Ma-Tek, Ma-Nenya, and Ax-Turath. In Roleplay they are one, according to the UN they're seperate.


Now, save your condensation for someone who really cares. If you want to discuss this privately then by all means, give me a telegram.

edit: Steel, I know. Basically, if I understand you correctly, you are trying to acknowledge EOTED makeup but not too keen on nations controlled by one player augementing the other ones, corrrect? Hence the "they cannot be used at the same time...ever" remark.

That comment was one of my own I believe

Since this is an OOC thread, and I'm a participant in the relevant war and you are not - and you keep attempting to stir the same pot again and again - I feel no urge to take it to telegrams. In fact, why are you here, given your only involvement is OOC?

In fact, I too urged to wait for Empire of the Eternal Dawn. Now, using multiple nations to provide for extra roleplay is not what I consider puppet use. In this context in particular, provided he only enters the entire war with the military provided by one nation ... the others are irrelevant. So he has a diplomatic corps based in Ma-Tek and lots of his "token" race in Ma-Nenya. So what? Are they providing actual assets? No. Has he said that if Ax-Turath falls a mysterious new military will appear to defend Ma-Tek? No. Are the existence of extra parts of his "Empire" giving him any benefit as regards this war, apart from for the purposes of roleplay illustration?

No.

And its hard not to be condescending when the person you're attempting to explain things to is totally incapable of actually reading your arguments.

Summary:
Puppet Use does not equate to Existence of other nations for Role Play Purposes.

Hey, where are the space forces of the anti AMF-forces, and what are thier numbers?

I have 300 ships 10,000 km away from the Pro-AMF space forces...

I would like to take the time to dispute this claim, a good majority of my capital weaponry is in the 10,000-16,000 Km range, I would have fired on ADK already.

Too bad hostilities haven't borken out.

Would you like me to change it to say... 30,000 km?

It would be acceptable, but not wise. Go look at my picket formation and then state your range, it also might be wise to look at my force deployments because if I had wanted to then I could have blown you to hell before you could blink. As for hostilities, we know of your support for the EOTED and given past histories we consider you a hostile nation anyways.

Meh. I'll just edit the post. Anything else you see wrong with it?

No, but I would appreciate you RPing them arriving, cause you're going to get one hell of a message from the Fleet Admiral.

Hey, where are the space forces of the anti AMF-forces, and what are thier numbers?

I have 300 ships 10,000 km away from the Pro-AMF space forces...

I would like to take the time to dispute this claim, a good majority of my capital weaponry is in the 10,000-16,000 Km range, I would have fired on ADK already.

Too bad hostilities haven't borken out.

Would you like me to change it to say... 30,000 km?

It would be acceptable, but not wise. Go look at my picket formation and then state your range, it also might be wise to look at my force deployments because if I had wanted to then I could have blown you to hell before you could blink. As for hostilities, we know of your support for the EOTED and given past histories we consider you a hostile nation anyways.

Meh. I'll just edit the post. Anything else you see wrong with it?

No, but I would appreciate you RPing them arriving, cause you're going to get one hell of a message from the Fleet Admiral.

Hehe. I'd like to inform you OOCly, that I have 428 more capital ships I can pull up.

Hey, where are the space forces of the anti AMF-forces, and what are thier numbers?

I have 300 ships 10,000 km away from the Pro-AMF space forces...

I would like to take the time to dispute this claim, a good majority of my capital weaponry is in the 10,000-16,000 Km range, I would have fired on ADK already.

Too bad hostilities haven't borken out.

Would you like me to change it to say... 30,000 km?

It would be acceptable, but not wise. Go look at my picket formation and then state your range, it also might be wise to look at my force deployments because if I had wanted to then I could have blown you to hell before you could blink. As for hostilities, we know of your support for the EOTED and given past histories we consider you a hostile nation anyways.

Meh. I'll just edit the post. Anything else you see wrong with it?

No, but I would appreciate you RPing them arriving, cause you're going to get one hell of a message from the Fleet Admiral.

Hehe. I'd like to inform you OOCly, that I have 428 more capital ships I can pull up.

umm, ADK, you are also on earth are you not, because if you are i doubt that thos 428 capital ships are really capital at all, i mean i'm quite larger than you and i only have about 210 capital ships of the three classes participating here, if you would give some DETAILED exampled of your "Capital" ships.

Since this is an OOC thread, and I'm a participant in the relevant war and you are not - and you keep attempting to stir the same pot again and again - I feel no urge to take it to telegrams. In fact, why are you here, given your only involvement is OOC?

Well, let's see:

1) Don't lose your temper. For goodness sakes, it's a game. IC insults are not OOC insults.
2) Having said that, don't OOC insult people here. If you have complaints OOC such as numbers, bring them up here. If you have questions as to how things work, ask here.
3) Don't groundless ignore people. Try to work it out first.
4) Give people a fair chance to respond. Forum troubles, having real lives, and so on mean fast forwarding is bad. This includes using FTL to pop out behind someone and shoot them in the same turn.

I don't know why it's a problem for Vrak to debate the issue of puppeteering: I see nothing in your guidelines that says he has no right to be here to debate the issue of puppets.

And I'd like to inform you that my warships have 812 dropship escorts, and every one of them has three capital missile launchers. Each missile weighs in at 100 tons and has a 5 ton HE contact warhead. I again stress looking at my force deployments and the stats on the link I gave for anyone to view.

I'd like to know exactly where along the equator AMF is. Yes, I said along the equator.

Why? Because several people have already stated they are in Geosynch orbit of AMF. Geosynch (http://liftoff.msfc.nasa.gov/academy/rocket_sci/satellites/geo-high.html) is ONLY possible over the equator, and ONLY at an altitude of 35,786 km (19,323 mi) [which means there is no such thing as "low geosynch orbit" as someone said they were in].

So where along the equator is AMF? Or is AMF on the equator?

Since this is an OOC thread, and I'm a participant in the relevant war and you are not - and you keep attempting to stir the same pot again and again - I feel no urge to take it to telegrams. In fact, why are you here, given your only involvement is OOC?

In fact, I too urged to wait for Empire of the Eternal Dawn. Now, using multiple nations to provide for extra roleplay is not what I consider puppet use. In this context in particular, provided he only enters the entire war with the military provided by one nation ... the others are irrelevant. So he has a diplomatic corps based in Ma-Tek and lots of his "token" race in Ma-Nenya. So what? Are they providing actual assets? No. Has he said that if Ax-Turath falls a mysterious new military will appear to defend Ma-Tek? No. Are the existence of extra parts of his "Empire" giving him any benefit as regards this war, apart from for the purposes of roleplay illustration?

No.

And its hard not to be condescending when the person you're attempting to explain things to is totally incapable of actually reading your arguments.

Summary:
Puppet Use does not equate to Existence of other nations for Role Play Purposes.

OOC: Why do you really care if my involvment is only OOC? Does it bother you that much? What's wrong with a line of inquiry?

Basically, your defense of Ma-tek's composition and my observations don't amount to much until Ma-tek says something. Why burden me with this:

Now, using multiple nations to provide for extra roleplay is not what I consider puppet use. In this context in particular, provided he only enters the entire war with the military provided by one nation ... the others are irrelevant. So he has a diplomatic corps based in Ma-Tek and lots of his "token" race in Ma-Nenya. So what? Are they providing actual assets? No. Has he said that if Ax-Turath falls a mysterious new military will appear to defend Ma-Tek? No. Are the existence of extra parts of his "Empire" giving him any benefit as regards this war, apart from for the purposes of roleplay illustration?

No.

You're blowing hot air here. I only care about if one nation in the EOTED is supplementing troops to another.

And I'm quite aware of your last remark. Face it though. If Ma-tek has troops in 2 or 3 of his nations in the EOTED that supplement eachther - then that's puppet use. Sorry. Extra troop strength is not extra roleplay but puppetry.

Hey, where are the space forces of the anti AMF-forces, and what are thier numbers?

I have 300 ships 10,000 km away from the Pro-AMF space forces...

I would like to take the time to dispute this claim, a good majority of my capital weaponry is in the 10,000-16,000 Km range, I would have fired on ADK already.

Too bad hostilities haven't borken out.

Would you like me to change it to say... 30,000 km?

It would be acceptable, but not wise. Go look at my picket formation and then state your range, it also might be wise to look at my force deployments because if I had wanted to then I could have blown you to hell before you could blink. As for hostilities, we know of your support for the EOTED and given past histories we consider you a hostile nation anyways.

Meh. I'll just edit the post. Anything else you see wrong with it?

No, but I would appreciate you RPing them arriving, cause you're going to get one hell of a message from the Fleet Admiral.

Hehe. I'd like to inform you OOCly, that I have 428 more capital ships I can pull up.

umm, ADK, you are also on earth are you not, because if you are i doubt that thos 428 capital ships are really capital at all, i mean i'm quite larger than you and i only have about 210 capital ships of the three classes participating here, if you would give some DETAILED exampled of your "Capital" ships.

Ahem... I am on Earth.

I consider a capital ship anything over 300 meters.

And I'd like to inform you that my warships have 812 dropship escorts, and every one of them has three capital missile launchers. Each missile weighs in at 100 tons and has a 5 ton HE contact warhead. I again stress looking at my force deployments and the stats on the link I gave for anyone to view.

Big bomb but its not really effective against my capital ships, well i dont know about in huge numbers but we've tested our against such things. Ohh each Vaxier class battlehsip carries 24 Mk III Echo Anti ship torpedos that travel at 30% of light speed and can pierce 40 feet of armor and carries a 70 megaton nuclear warhead which detonates inside the ship.

Hey, where are the space forces of the anti AMF-forces, and what are thier numbers?

I have 300 ships 10,000 km away from the Pro-AMF space forces...

I would like to take the time to dispute this claim, a good majority of my capital weaponry is in the 10,000-16,000 Km range, I would have fired on ADK already.

Too bad hostilities haven't borken out.

Would you like me to change it to say... 30,000 km?

It would be acceptable, but not wise. Go look at my picket formation and then state your range, it also might be wise to look at my force deployments because if I had wanted to then I could have blown you to hell before you could blink. As for hostilities, we know of your support for the EOTED and given past histories we consider you a hostile nation anyways.

Meh. I'll just edit the post. Anything else you see wrong with it?

No, but I would appreciate you RPing them arriving, cause you're going to get one hell of a message from the Fleet Admiral.

Hehe. I'd like to inform you OOCly, that I have 428 more capital ships I can pull up.

umm, ADK, you are also on earth are you not, because if you are i doubt that thos 428 capital ships are really capital at all, i mean i'm quite larger than you and i only have about 210 capital ships of the three classes participating here, if you would give some DETAILED exampled of your "Capital" ships.

Ahem... I am on Earth.

I consider a capital ship anything over 300 meters.
well whats the largest of your "capital ships"

Oglethorpia: He made his original point, and that was fine - it got answered. He's seemingly on a crusade to crush the ability of anyone to use other nations to enhance roleplay. I agree with him that puppets should not add to militaries. Hell, I've been vocal about it plenty of times before. However, I also keep pointing out that in this thread they aren't actually adding to militaries, they're just there for roleplay purposes.

And I can't understand his problem with that.

I'd like to know exactly where along the equator AMF is. Yes, I said along the equator.

Why? Because several people have already stated they are in Geosynch orbit of AMF. Geosynch (http://liftoff.msfc.nasa.gov/academy/rocket_sci/satellites/geo-high.html) is ONLY possible over the equator, and ONLY at an altitude of 35,786 km (19,323 mi) [which means there is no such thing as "low geosynch orbit" as someone said they were in].

So where along the equator is AMF? Or is AMF on the equator?

Welll, i never said that, i never actually said to specific where my forces were.

I'd like to know exactly where along the equator AMF is. Yes, I said along the equator.

Why? Because several people have already stated they are in Geosynch orbit of AMF. Geosynch (http://liftoff.msfc.nasa.gov/academy/rocket_sci/satellites/geo-high.html) is ONLY possible over the equator, and ONLY at an altitude of 35,786 km (19,323 mi) [which means there is no such thing as "low geosynch orbit" as someone said they were in].

So where along the equator is AMF? Or is AMF on the equator?

Welll, i never said that, i never actually said to specific where my forces were.

It's not inconceivable to maintain orbit around AMF, provided you're willing to keep burning fuel ... is it?

UPDATED List of sides:


AMF Forces

AMF
Pantera
Steel Butterfly
Scandavian States
Neo-Wu
Walten
Cartazo
Maxter
Cspalla
Whittier
Aequatio
Tiburon
Ardor
Kalessin
Neo-Wu
Skager
Rukemia
Watertest

Regions

47 Ursa Majoris
The Allied Powers
Arda
aoe2
Orion Sector Alliance


EOTED Forces

Ma-tek
Sentient Peoples
Whispering Voices
Alvarezistan
The government of Whittier will not be involved militarily. We are only allowing our citizens to join the AMF army.
But we have condemned the attack on AMF through diplomatic channels.
Just don't try to nuke AMF.

[quote:4ffcd73bd4="Ardor"]Hey, where are the space forces of the anti AMF-forces, and what are thier numbers?

I have 300 ships 10,000 km away from the Pro-AMF space forces...

I would like to take the time to dispute this claim, a good majority of my capital weaponry is in the 10,000-16,000 Km range, I would have fired on ADK already.

Too bad hostilities haven't borken out.

Would you like me to change it to say... 30,000 km?

It would be acceptable, but not wise. Go look at my picket formation and then state your range, it also might be wise to look at my force deployments because if I had wanted to then I could have blown you to hell before you could blink. As for hostilities, we know of your support for the EOTED and given past histories we consider you a hostile nation anyways.

Meh. I'll just edit the post. Anything else you see wrong with it?

No, but I would appreciate you RPing them arriving, cause you're going to get one hell of a message from the Fleet Admiral.

Hehe. I'd like to inform you OOCly, that I have 428 more capital ships I can pull up.

umm, ADK, you are also on earth are you not, because if you are i doubt that thos 428 capital ships are really capital at all, i mean i'm quite larger than you and i only have about 210 capital ships of the three classes participating here, if you would give some DETAILED exampled of your "Capital" ships.

Ahem... I am on Earth.

I consider a capital ship anything over 300 meters.
well whats the largest of your "capital ships"[/quote:4ffcd73bd4]

Currently built is the 8 km long Omega II class. The Lucifer which will be completed most likely this Thursday is 12 km.

I'd like to know exactly where along the equator AMF is. Yes, I said along the equator.

Why? Because several people have already stated they are in Geosynch orbit of AMF. Geosynch (http://liftoff.msfc.nasa.gov/academy/rocket_sci/satellites/geo-high.html) is ONLY possible over the equator, and ONLY at an altitude of 35,786 km (19,323 mi) [which means there is no such thing as "low geosynch orbit" as someone said they were in].

So where along the equator is AMF? Or is AMF on the equator?

Welll, i never said that, i never actually said to specific where my forces were.

It's not inconceivable to maintain orbit around AMF, provided you're willing to keep burning fuel ... is it?

yeah, i was trying to agree with you there, but the majority of my forces are actually in deep space(somewhat close to the moon). But they are within scanner range of most ships.

If Whittier's involved, he needs to justify having a satellite with fifteen thousand ICBMs on it :p

It's not that many.

It is according to when he questioned himself using his own puppet, the Southpacific - and presumably if anyone would know it would be Whittier.* (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=80305&highlight=)


All ICBM's targeted at AMF will be destroyed automatically by Pandora's Box which has been reprogrammed to assume that all missiles and ICBM's are tipped with nuclear weapons.
As such, Pandora's Box will eradicate them once they are launched, even if they only have conventional warheads.
Exceptions are short range missiles such as Tomahawks.
(The only weakness of Pandoras Box, can't shoot short rangers.)


Isn't Pandora's Box the sattelite that has all those hundreds of nukes on it?
How can it shoot down other missiles?
BTW, out of curiousity, since your not at war with any one and no longer have hostility toward any nation, where exactly are your 15,000 nukes pointed at? More specifically, in what direction or at what nation is Pandora's Box pointed at?

The government has noted your concern and the military has been ordered to study the benefits of retargeting the nukes at empty space should any be launched on accident.

* Although reading that, I'm suddenly struck with the impression that neither Whittier nor Whittier's own puppet actually know how big an ICBM is, let alone how many can be on one satellite (one satellite, or "Earth Eclipsing Planet" as I'd call it, given not even the nuke-mad United States dares keep an ICBM silo within 14 miles of another ICBM silo. 14x15,000=210,000 miles.) Even if they were honeycombed next to each other, an ICBM launch facility is 12' in diameter, so that's up to 180,000 feet long.

Requoted again and again from earlier since it got missed in all this nonsense about puppets. Whittier, any comments? Since I'm guessing this monstrosity is what you intend to use if AMF gets nuked?

If Whittier's involved, he needs to justify having a satellite with fifteen thousand ICBMs on it :p
Pandora's Box does not contain 15,000 nukes.
It only has 400.
If people actually fear that Pandora's Box has 15k nukes, hmm, maybe Whittier still has some leverage after all.
Hopefully, they won't find out anytime soon that most of the nukes are on submarines and in silos.
And there are some in West Moon and other former whittier pact nations.

We The People of Soviet Trasa join AMF in his Fight

Oglethorpia: He made his original point, and that was fine - it got answered. He's seemingly on a crusade to crush the ability of anyone to use other nations to enhance roleplay. I agree with him that puppets should not add to militaries. Hell, I've been vocal about it plenty of times before. However, I also keep pointing out that in this thread they aren't actually adding to militaries, they're just there for roleplay purposes.

And I can't understand his problem with that.

Whispering Voices - until Ma-tek gives his point of view then why do you insist on saying nonesense like "they aren't actually adding to militaries..."

If Ma-tek says they are there for roleplay purposes and that EOTED nations don't supplement eachother troops, then that's good enough for me. As well, if you are so vocal against puppet use (and I do recall your comments during the Resi "war") then you should be one of the first to call Ma-tek out if he is indeed puppetering.

My "problem" is this: people will try to use (and most likely abuse) the "I've got multiple nations but don't worry cuz I use them for roleplaying purposes" while trying to sneak in extra troops. What's wrong with that concern?

If Whittier's involved, he needs to justify having a satellite with fifteen thousand ICBMs on it :p
Pandora's Box does not contain 15,000 nukes.
It only has 400.
If people actually fear that Pandora's Box has 15k nukes, hmm, maybe Whittier still has some leverage after all.
Hopefully, they won't find out anytime soon that most of the nukes are on submarines and in silos.

You said it had that many with your own puppet, sir. And 400 is insane. Just ... less insane.

I'd like to know exactly where along the equator AMF is. Yes, I said along the equator.

Why? Because several people have already stated they are in Geosynch orbit of AMF. Geosynch (http://liftoff.msfc.nasa.gov/academy/rocket_sci/satellites/geo-high.html) is ONLY possible over the equator, and ONLY at an altitude of 35,786 km (19,323 mi) [which means there is no such thing as "low geosynch orbit" as someone said they were in].

So where along the equator is AMF? Or is AMF on the equator?

Welll, i never said that, i never actually said to specific where my forces were.

It's not inconceivable to maintain orbit around AMF, provided you're willing to keep burning fuel ... is it?

yeah, i was trying to agree with you there, but the majority of my forces are actually in deep space(somewhat close to the moon). But they are within scanner range of most ships.

Hmm... Interisiting... 90% of my assets in space are behind the moon in and around Largrange Point 2. Extending as far as 100,000 km out, most likely...

[quote:7c3e1d175a="Abu-Dhabi Khristatata"][quote:7c3e1d175a="Ardor"]Hey, where are the space forces of the anti AMF-forces, and what are thier numbers?

I have 300 ships 10,000 km away from the Pro-AMF space forces...

I would like to take the time to dispute this claim, a good majority of my capital weaponry is in the 10,000-16,000 Km range, I would have fired on ADK already.

Too bad hostilities haven't borken out.

Would you like me to change it to say... 30,000 km?

It would be acceptable, but not wise. Go look at my picket formation and then state your range, it also might be wise to look at my force deployments because if I had wanted to then I could have blown you to hell before you could blink. As for hostilities, we know of your support for the EOTED and given past histories we consider you a hostile nation anyways.

Meh. I'll just edit the post. Anything else you see wrong with it?

No, but I would appreciate you RPing them arriving, cause you're going to get one hell of a message from the Fleet Admiral.

Hehe. I'd like to inform you OOCly, that I have 428 more capital ships I can pull up.

umm, ADK, you are also on earth are you not, because if you are i doubt that thos 428 capital ships are really capital at all, i mean i'm quite larger than you and i only have about 210 capital ships of the three classes participating here, if you would give some DETAILED exampled of your "Capital" ships.

Ahem... I am on Earth.

I consider a capital ship anything over 300 meters.
well whats the largest of your "capital ships"[/quote:7c3e1d175a]

Currently built is the 8 km long Omega II class. The Lucifer which will be completed most likely this Thursday is 12 km.[/quote:7c3e1d175a]

ohh, well not to be prudent but the largest ship in fleet happens to be over 14 km long and about 6 km wide, but this ship wasnt my design and i bought it from capsule corp. My largest self designed ship is 1200m long and about 600 m wide, but they all pack quite a punch.

Oglethorpia: He made his original point, and that was fine - it got answered. He's seemingly on a crusade to crush the ability of anyone to use other nations to enhance roleplay. I agree with him that puppets should not add to militaries. Hell, I've been vocal about it plenty of times before. However, I also keep pointing out that in this thread they aren't actually adding to militaries, they're just there for roleplay purposes.

And I can't understand his problem with that.

Whispering Voices - until Ma-tek gives his point of view then why do you insist on saying nonesense like "they aren't actually adding to militaries..."

If Ma-tek says they are there for roleplay purposes and that EOTED nations don't supplement eachother troops, then that's good enough for me. As well, if you are so vocal against puppet use (and I do recall your comments during the Resi "war") then you should be one of the first to call Ma-tek out if he is indeed puppetering.

I refer to my above comment, actually, in reply to Oglethorpia. The reason I had to keep restating it was people weren't saying "let's ask EOTED" they were saying "OMG puppetwank!!!".

Anyway, I'm glad the matter is over.

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ohh, well not to be prudent but the largest ship in fleet happens to be over 14 km long and about 6 km wide, but this ship wasnt my design and i bought it from capsule corp. My largest self designed ship is 1200m long and about 600 m wide, but they all pack quite a punch.

Well, I'm sure my 60 Anti-ship cannons in the vicinity can take care of that.

I'd like to know exactly where along the equator AMF is. Yes, I said along the equator.

Why? Because several people have already stated they are in Geosynch orbit of AMF. Geosynch (http://liftoff.msfc.nasa.gov/academy/rocket_sci/satellites/geo-high.html) is ONLY possible over the equator, and ONLY at an altitude of 35,786 km (19,323 mi) [which means there is no such thing as "low geosynch orbit" as someone said they were in].

So where along the equator is AMF? Or is AMF on the equator?

Welll, i never said that, i never actually said to specific where my forces were.

It's not inconceivable to maintain orbit around AMF, provided you're willing to keep burning fuel ... is it?

yeah, i was trying to agree with you there, but the majority of my forces are actually in deep space(somewhat close to the moon). But they are within scanner range of most ships.

Hmm... Interisiting... 90% of my assets in space are behind the moon in and around Largrange Point 2. Extending as far as 100,000 km out, most likely...

The somewhat 100 or so capital ships that i have currently placed near the moon are the only ones in the sol system. The rest of the fleet is on its way back from an expidition to a system we are interested in and will be arriving in about a day or 2.

ohh, well not to be prudent but the largest ship in fleet happens to be over 14 km long and about 6 km wide, but this ship wasnt my design and i bought it from capsule corp. My largest self designed ship is 1200m long and about 600 m wide, but they all pack quite a punch.

Well, I'm sure my 60 Anti-ship cannons in the vicinity can take care of that.

jsut what exactly are these cannons equiped with?

*redirects comments to above*
*points out, if it comes to puppets, Whispering Voices comes to 9 billion with not a nation below 1,500 defence spending.*

However, since puppet abuse is not happening it scarcely matters, right?

Right.

So we're to simply "shutup and accept" what Ma-tek and SP are doing yet leave our own empire out of it?
Whose SP?

ohh, well not to be prudent but the largest ship in fleet happens to be over 14 km long and about 6 km wide, but this ship wasnt my design and i bought it from capsule corp. My largest self designed ship is 1200m long and about 600 m wide, but they all pack quite a punch.

Well, I'm sure my 60 Anti-ship cannons in the vicinity can take care of that.

jsut what exactly are these cannons equiped with?

30 km long Gauss Cannons. which fire 400 foot wide cylendirs of iron and other materials at you at the speed of light via particle accelerators.

*redirects comments to above*
*points out, if it comes to puppets, Whispering Voices comes to 9 billion with not a nation below 1,500 defence spending.*

However, since puppet abuse is not happening it scarcely matters, right?

Right.

So we're to simply "shutup and accept" what Ma-tek and SP are doing yet leave our own empire out of it?
Whose SP?

Sentient Peoples... D'OH!

And I'd like to inform you that my warships have 812 dropship escorts, and every one of them has three capital missile launchers. Each missile weighs in at 100 tons and has a 5 ton HE contact warhead. I again stress looking at my force deployments and the stats on the link I gave for anyone to view.

Big bomb but its not really effective against my capital ships, well i dont know about in huge numbers but we've tested our against such things. Ohh each Vaxier class battlehsip carries 24 Mk III Echo Anti ship torpedos that travel at 30% of light speed and can pierce 40 feet of armor and carries a 70 megaton nuclear warhead which detonates inside the ship.

If you want to play the nuclear game then so can I, as a matter of fact all of my Kraken-T (the 100 tonner) missiles have alternate 20 megaton warheads. I also have experimental AM warheads for my Barracuda and White Shark missiles.

And I'd like to inform you that my warships have 812 dropship escorts, and every one of them has three capital missile launchers. Each missile weighs in at 100 tons and has a 5 ton HE contact warhead. I again stress looking at my force deployments and the stats on the link I gave for anyone to view.

Big bomb but its not really effective against my capital ships, well i dont know about in huge numbers but we've tested our against such things. Ohh each Vaxier class battlehsip carries 24 Mk III Echo Anti ship torpedos that travel at 30% of light speed and can pierce 40 feet of armor and carries a 70 megaton nuclear warhead which detonates inside the ship.

If you want to play the nuclear game then so can I, as a matter of fact all of my Kraken-T (the 100 tonner) missiles have alternate 20 megaton warheads. I also have experimental AM warheads for my Barracuda and White Shark missiles.

I have slight advantage over you, in the fact that this missle actually enters the ship then detonates, which would cause alot more damage.

If Whittier's involved, he needs to justify having a satellite with fifteen thousand ICBMs on it :p

It's not that many.

It is according to when he questioned himself using his own puppet, the Southpacific - and presumably if anyone would know it would be Whittier.* (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=80305&highlight=)


All ICBM's targeted at AMF will be destroyed automatically by Pandora's Box which has been reprogrammed to assume that all missiles and ICBM's are tipped with nuclear weapons.
As such, Pandora's Box will eradicate them once they are launched, even if they only have conventional warheads.
Exceptions are short range missiles such as Tomahawks.
(The only weakness of Pandoras Box, can't shoot short rangers.)


Isn't Pandora's Box the sattelite that has all those hundreds of nukes on it?
How can it shoot down other missiles?
BTW, out of curiousity, since your not at war with any one and no longer have hostility toward any nation, where exactly are your 15,000 nukes pointed at? More specifically, in what direction or at what nation is Pandora's Box pointed at?

The government has noted your concern and the military has been ordered to study the benefits of retargeting the nukes at empty space should any be launched on accident.

* Although reading that, I'm suddenly struck with the impression that neither Whittier nor Whittier's own puppet actually know how big an ICBM is, let alone how many can be on one satellite (one satellite, or "Earth Eclipsing Planet" as I'd call it, given not even the nuke-mad United States dares keep an ICBM silo within 14 miles of another ICBM silo. 14x15,000=210,000 miles.) Even if they were honeycombed next to each other, an ICBM launch facility is 12' in diameter, so that's up to 180,000 feet long.

Requoted again and again from earlier since it got missed in all this nonsense about puppets. Whittier, any comments? Since I'm guessing this monstrosity is what you intend to use if AMF gets nuked?
You need to fire your intell people cause while they told all my nukes were on one sat, if they were launched at you, you'd be looking at the sat while they came from the earth itself.

What is the time frame, tech level of this war?

What is the time frame, tech level of this war?

It's not set.

ADK:

You and Xanthal were asked to leave. Xanthal complied, but you have not. Now, you can either leave this thread now, or the mods will be contacted. You have no place in this thread, nor the AMF conflict for that matter.

What is the time frame, tech level of this war?

this is mostly gonna be futuretech i think, but if it ever gets to ground warfare, then we might have soem modern stuff rolling around.

ADK:

You and Xanthal were asked to leave. Xanthal complied, but you have not. Now, you can either leave this thread now, or the mods will be contacted. You have no place in this thread, nor the AMF conflict for that matter.

Ardor and Scandavian States, two of your allies have acknowleged me and I am now offically in this conflict. Deal with it. This isn't invite only.

And I'd like to inform you that my warships have 812 dropship escorts, and every one of them has three capital missile launchers. Each missile weighs in at 100 tons and has a 5 ton HE contact warhead. I again stress looking at my force deployments and the stats on the link I gave for anyone to view.

Big bomb but its not really effective against my capital ships, well i dont know about in huge numbers but we've tested our against such things. Ohh each Vaxier class battlehsip carries 24 Mk III Echo Anti ship torpedos that travel at 30% of light speed and can pierce 40 feet of armor and carries a 70 megaton nuclear warhead which detonates inside the ship.

If you want to play the nuclear game then so can I, as a matter of fact all of my Kraken-T (the 100 tonner) missiles have alternate 20 megaton warheads. I also have experimental AM warheads for my Barracuda and White Shark missiles.

I have slight advantage over you, in the fact that this missle actually enters the ship then detonates, which would cause alot more damage.

Not as much as you think, penetrating weapons have a bad habit of over-penetrating and I don't have 40 feet of armor on any of my ships. Besides, those missiles would have to get though my dropship and interceptor screen, then some 13,000 superiority fighters, and then ship base anti-fighter/ships weapons. Not good odds, even in a mass launch. I again say that my potentiel enemies look at the stats page provided before they try to engage my fleets.

PS- You do realise that AM= anti-matter, don't you? That's going to ruin anyone's day, no matter how thickly armored a ship is. God how I wished I had a Dr. Device on my ships, no one would think of mass formations against me.

ADK:

You and Xanthal were asked to leave. Xanthal complied, but you have not. Now, you can either leave this thread now, or the mods will be contacted. You have no place in this thread, nor the AMF conflict for that matter.

Ardor and Scandavian States, two of your allies have acknowleged me and I am now offically in this conflict. Deal with it. This isn't invite only.

From a different perspective --- Not all ignore Xanthal, either.

ADK:

You and Xanthal were asked to leave. Xanthal complied, but you have not. Now, you can either leave this thread now, or the mods will be contacted. You have no place in this thread, nor the AMF conflict for that matter.

Ardor and Scandavian States, two of your allies have acknowleged me and I am now offically in this conflict. Deal with it. This isn't invite only.

Unacceptable. Xanthal left per WV's request, now you WILL leave via mine.

I can easily make this invite only seeing as I'm the one being attacked here. :x

ADK:

You and Xanthal were asked to leave. Xanthal complied, but you have not. Now, you can either leave this thread now, or the mods will be contacted. You have no place in this thread, nor the AMF conflict for that matter.

Ardor and Scandavian States, two of your allies have acknowleged me and I am now offically in this conflict. Deal with it. This isn't invite only.

Wait, Ardor's on my side? Why is this little pissing comp of ours going on anyways, then? It is better directed against ADK.

And I'd like to inform you that my warships have 812 dropship escorts, and every one of them has three capital missile launchers. Each missile weighs in at 100 tons and has a 5 ton HE contact warhead. I again stress looking at my force deployments and the stats on the link I gave for anyone to view.

Big bomb but its not really effective against my capital ships, well i dont know about in huge numbers but we've tested our against such things. Ohh each Vaxier class battlehsip carries 24 Mk III Echo Anti ship torpedos that travel at 30% of light speed and can pierce 40 feet of armor and carries a 70 megaton nuclear warhead which detonates inside the ship.

If you want to play the nuclear game then so can I, as a matter of fact all of my Kraken-T (the 100 tonner) missiles have alternate 20 megaton warheads. I also have experimental AM warheads for my Barracuda and White Shark missiles.

I have slight advantage over you, in the fact that this missle actually enters the ship then detonates, which would cause alot more damage.

Not as much as you think, penetrating weapons have a bad habit of over-penetrating and I don't have 40 feet of armor on any of my ships. Besides, those missiles would have to get though my dropship and interceptor screen, then some 13,000 superiority fighters, and then ship base anti-fighter/ships weapons. Not good odds, even in a mass launch. I again say that my potentiel enemies look at the stats page provided before they try to engage my fleets.

PS- You do realise that AM= anti-matter, don't you? That's going to ruin anyone's day, no matter how thickly armored a ship is. God how I wished I had a Dr. Device on my ships, no one would think of mass formations against me.

Stop arguing guys! You're both on my side, remember?

I'd like to know exactly where along the equator AMF is. Yes, I said along the equator.

Why? Because several people have already stated they are in Geosynch orbit of AMF. Geosynch (http://liftoff.msfc.nasa.gov/academy/rocket_sci/satellites/geo-high.html) is ONLY possible over the equator, and ONLY at an altitude of 35,786 km (19,323 mi) [which means there is no such thing as "low geosynch orbit" as someone said they were in].

So where along the equator is AMF? Or is AMF on the equator?

Welll, i never said that, i never actually said to specific where my forces were.

It's not inconceivable to maintain orbit around AMF, provided you're willing to keep burning fuel ... is it?

That would be a lot of fuel. Though no where near as much fuel as Sentient People's fleet would be using at 30% light, or someone else's 90->99%+

1kg of deuterium and tritium (combined) provide 2.58946x10^15 Joules of energy.

Kinetic Energy: K=0.5*mv^2 --> v=sqrt(2K/kg)

so,

v=sqrt(2*2.58946^15/1) = 71,964,713.5755 m/s ~= 24% C

So 1kg fuel could accelerate 1kg of matter to 24% C...

EXCEPT!!!

-This is not the relativistic equation...getting this high would require more energy.
-This does not include the mass of the fuel
-NO reactor/engine is 100% efficient (this equation is).

So for 30% light, you'd need to burn anywhere from 6-10 kilograms of fuel for every other kg you are pushing...plus the fuel itself.

Whittier, as southpacific is your own puppet, and you were clearly using this to point out how l33t your satellite was, it's your own intelligence people that suck. Besides, you say it's one satellite - "the satellite", in fact.

On a seperate note, whilst this is not an "invite only" war, the fact we wish ignore spirals not to continue does mean that no nation is "obliged" to deal with either Xanthal or ADK.

If Scandivian States and Ardor choose to, that is their prerogative.

ADK:

You and Xanthal were asked to leave. Xanthal complied, but you have not. Now, you can either leave this thread now, or the mods will be contacted. You have no place in this thread, nor the AMF conflict for that matter.

Ardor and Scandavian States, two of your allies have acknowleged me and I am now offically in this conflict. Deal with it. This isn't invite only.

how did i validate you, i just talked to you,if AMF doesnt want you in this RP then dont.

I will leave this conflict at my own will, and not the will of others.

'Millions for charity, not one red cent for tribute'--FDR

And I'd like to inform you that my warships have 812 dropship escorts, and every one of them has three capital missile launchers. Each missile weighs in at 100 tons and has a 5 ton HE contact warhead. I again stress looking at my force deployments and the stats on the link I gave for anyone to view.

Big bomb but its not really effective against my capital ships, well i dont know about in huge numbers but we've tested our against such things. Ohh each Vaxier class battlehsip carries 24 Mk III Echo Anti ship torpedos that travel at 30% of light speed and can pierce 40 feet of armor and carries a 70 megaton nuclear warhead which detonates inside the ship.

If you want to play the nuclear game then so can I, as a matter of fact all of my Kraken-T (the 100 tonner) missiles have alternate 20 megaton warheads. I also have experimental AM warheads for my Barracuda and White Shark missiles.

I have slight advantage over you, in the fact that this missle actually enters the ship then detonates, which would cause alot more damage.

Not as much as you think, penetrating weapons have a bad habit of over-penetrating and I don't have 40 feet of armor on any of my ships. Besides, those missiles would have to get though my dropship and interceptor screen, then some 13,000 superiority fighters, and then ship base anti-fighter/ships weapons. Not good odds, even in a mass launch. I again say that my potentiel enemies look at the stats page provided before they try to engage my fleets.

PS- You do realise that AM= anti-matter, don't you? That's going to ruin anyone's day, no matter how thickly armored a ship is. God how I wished I had a Dr. Device on my ships, no one would think of mass formations against me.

Stop arguing guys! You're both on my side, remember?

opps, didnt know that, well wouldnt that have been a mistake, but i did not realize you use anti-matter weapons, in sucj case, yes that would do quite alot of damage, so lets use them to kill EOTED forces. ;)

ADK, think you should get a mod in here?

On a slightly different note, Wazzu, the equations I have are:

D + T = 4He + neutron 93,580,000,000
D + D = T + H fusion cycle 26,590,000,000

for fusion power.


Anti-matter torpedos? Good luck fitting tonnes of electrical power plants to them just to contain a few microgrammes ... ^_^

ADK:

You and Xanthal were asked to leave. Xanthal complied, but you have not. Now, you can either leave this thread now, or the mods will be contacted. You have no place in this thread, nor the AMF conflict for that matter.

Ardor and Scandavian States, two of your allies have acknowleged me and I am now offically in this conflict. Deal with it. This isn't invite only.

how did i validate you, i just talked to you,if AMF doesnt want you in this RP then dont.

Listen, I'm a major ally of EOTED and have as much a right to be in this conflict as Neo-Wu does. Just because I dared to attack AMF's precious little Skynet is no grounds for an Ignore. Skynet will most likely be brought down in the first few war posts anyways.

On a slightly different note, Wazzu, the equations I have are:

D + T = 4He + neutron 93,580,000,000
D + D = T + H fusion cycle 26,590,000,000

for fusion power.

wow, you peple must be math geniuses

ADK, think you should get a mod in here?

Why, canh't we all settle our diffrences ourselves? That's what this thread is for.

What is the time frame, tech level of this war?

this is mostly gonna be futuretech i think, but if it ever gets to ground warfare, then we might have soem modern stuff rolling around.

Then Whittier will not be involved as Whittier only exist in the modern times timeline and as such, only has modern tech.
That, and Whittier is not yet fully recovered from its recent civil war.

On a slightly different note, Wazzu, the equations I have are:

D + T = 4He + neutron 93,580,000,000
D + D = T + H fusion cycle 26,590,000,000

for fusion power.

wow, you peple must be math geniuses

Nah. Steal it all :P

ADK has been reported to the mods.

(tag)

Actually, that would probably mean no Whittier citizens are leaving Whittier to join up in AMF's army.
Sorry about that.
Should a told me this was all future tech.

What is the time frame, tech level of this war?

this is mostly gonna be futuretech i think, but if it ever gets to ground warfare, then we might have soem modern stuff rolling around.

Then Whittier will not be involved as Whittier only exist in the modern times timeline and as such, only has modern tech.
That, and Whittier is not yet fully recovered from its recent civil war.

AMF is slightly post-modern tech, although we still use bullets, Abrams, and other modern tech, same with Pantera.

ADK, think you should get a mod in here?

Why, canh't we all settle our diffrences ourselves? That's what this thread is for.

If you refuse to leave this thread after the main participant asked you to AMF can call in a mod and have you removed.

What is the time frame, tech level of this war?

this is mostly gonna be futuretech i think, but if it ever gets to ground warfare, then we might have soem modern stuff rolling around.

Then Whittier will not be involved as Whittier only exist in the modern times timeline and as such, only has modern tech.
That, and Whittier is not yet fully recovered from its recent civil war.

AMF is slightly post-modern tech, although we still use bullets, Abrams, and other modern tech, same with Pantera.
Then Whittierites who exist in your time frame, are being allowed to join your army. Just ignore previous post.

ADK has been reported to the mods.

For what, trying to come to an agreement with you like a mature, civilized adult?

Today I've been flamed, greifed, flamebaited, cursed at, and insulted by these churls you refer to as 'allies'. All I want to do is Roleplay in this conflict.

Actually, that would probably mean no Whittier citizens are leaving Whittier to join up in AMF's army.
Sorry about that.
Should a told me this was all future tech.

the curretn situation is gonna be mostly futuretech becuase of the ships in orbit, and on the ground, i am bettign there will be modern day tanks.

ADK has been reported to the mods.
What he do? I missed it.

ADK has been reported to the mods.

For what, trying to come to an agreement with you like a mature, civilized adult?

Today I've been flamed, greifed, flamebaited, cursed at, and insulted by these churls you refer to as 'allies'. All I want to do is Roleplay in this conflict.

Examples of these flames, where are they?

The thread's author here is Whispering Voices, not Automagfreek.

Although ADK is being a little bit of uncoopreative IMHO, I do not see the reason to report him to a mod. He didn't call "AMF IS A MORON!!111111" nor "THIS WHOLE CONFLICT SUK!1111" or crap like that. He is simply arguing his point here.

ADK has been reported to the mods.
What he do? I missed it.

He refuses to leave this RP.

ADK has been reported to the mods.

For what, trying to come to an agreement with you like a mature, civilized adult?

Today I've been flamed, greifed, flamebaited, cursed at, and insulted by these churls you refer to as 'allies'. All I want to do is Roleplay in this conflict.

YOU ARE NOT WANTED IN THIS THREAD.

Both me and WV have asked you to leave, not to mention several other people. When will you get the hint?

The thread's author here is Whispering Voices, not Automagfreek.

Although ADK is being a little bit of uncoopreative IMHO, I do not see the reason to report him to a mod. He didn't call "AMF IS A MORON!!111111" nor "THIS WHOLE CONFLICT SUK!1111" or crap like that. He is simply arguing his point here.

Never said he was creater, i said he's one of the main RP participants.

The thread's author here is Whispering Voices, not Automagfreek.



But this is my conflict, the whole thing revolves around me.

(Ack...that sounds sooo self centered. :P )

ADK, think you should get a mod in here?

Why, canh't we all settle our diffrences ourselves? That's what this thread is for.

If you refuse to leave this thread after the main participant asked you to AMF can call in a mod and have you removed.

For trying to Roleplay? You hypocrite. I will not be forced into doing anything.

ADK has been reported to the mods.

THANK YOU.

Actually, that would probably mean no Whittier citizens are leaving Whittier to join up in AMF's army.
Sorry about that.
Should a told me this was all future tech.

the curretn situation is gonna be mostly futuretech becuase of the ships in orbit, and on the ground, i am bettign there will be modern day tanks.
Ok.
But future Whittier, is officially neutral except for its warning against any attempts to nuke AMF or any other nation for that matter.
Not used to rping futuretech. :P
Admits, doesn't know how to rp futuretech rps.

For trying to Roleplay? You hypocrite. I will not be forced into doing anything.
Woah. Don't start the flaming...

The thread's author here is Whispering Voices, not Automagfreek.

Although ADK is being a little bit of uncoopreative IMHO, I do not see the reason to report him to a mod. He didn't call "AMF IS A MORON!!111111" nor "THIS WHOLE CONFLICT SUK!1111" or crap like that. He is simply arguing his point here.

Never said he was creater, i said he's one of the main RP participants.
I though only the creator of the thread could kick someone off.

If you're not futuretech, don't just make stuff up to be futuretech. There are I believe going to be "modern" nations on both sides - although I have spacefleets, for example, I still have souped-up Leclerc MBTs and so on that can be engaged by standard forces.

ADK, think you should get a mod in here?

Why, canh't we all settle our diffrences ourselves? That's what this thread is for.

If you refuse to leave this thread after the main participant asked you to AMF can call in a mod and have you removed.

For trying to Roleplay? You hypocrite. I will not be forced into doing anything.

How exactly am i being hypocritical, i am stating the fact, that the person who this entire RP pretty much revolves around asked you to leave, how is that beign hypocritical. Oh and if a mod deems it so you will have to respect their decision. ANd so wil I if the mod rules in your favor.

Auto I reconmend that should this become a war that you (a)make it invite only and (b) set the rules of the war in the first or second post.

Making it invite means those who are not invited & still post can have their posts (and maybe warned) deleted by mods at your requests, and everyone involved will know to ignore their posts.

Setting rules will prevent "cheating" like posting twice before your opponant can post their reply, among other things.

As I see it if you don't do this, then any war that occurs will rapidly decend into chaos & flaming.

I though only the creator of the thread could kick someone off.

True, however, because I OOC recognise that AMF probably didn't want the war - and because I believe wars shouldn't be abhorrent to RP through - I have no problem with giving him the right to maintain existing ignores. A deal was struck, Xanthal vs ADK, and in the absence of EOTED (other main proponent) I'm happy for AMF to enforce his ignore in this case.

Although I would in future urge people to read threads properly ... it was SS' choice to engage ADK.

If you're not futuretech, don't just make stuff up to be futuretech. There are I believe going to be "modern" nations on both sides - although I have spacefleets, for example, I still have souped-up Leclerc MBTs and so on that can be engaged by standard forces.
If this is future tech, then I would think that Pandora's Box would be outdated. Not sure if it exists in this war's timeframe.
How far in the future did you say it was.
Cause if PB is outdated, twould probably be the same as if it didn't exist cause it might be so old that it wouldn't really work.

ADK, think you should get a mod in here?

Why, canh't we all settle our diffrences ourselves? That's what this thread is for.

If you refuse to leave this thread after the main participant asked you to AMF can call in a mod and have you removed.

For trying to Roleplay? You hypocrite. I will not be forced into doing anything.

How exactly am i being hypocritical, i am stating the fact, that the person who this entire RP pretty much revolves around asked you to leave, how is that beign hypocritical. Oh and if a mod deems it so you will have to respect their decision. ANd so wil I if the mod rules in your favor.

It's hypocritical because you and I and everyone else in this Roleplay has the same right to be here. If I don't have the right to be here, no one else does. Why should I respect your wishes, when I am not respected?

ADK, think you should get a mod in here?

Why, canh't we all settle our diffrences ourselves? That's what this thread is for.

If you refuse to leave this thread after the main participant asked you to AMF can call in a mod and have you removed.

For trying to Roleplay? You hypocrite. I will not be forced into doing anything.

How exactly am i being hypocritical, i am stating the fact, that the person who this entire RP pretty much revolves around asked you to leave, how is that beign hypocritical. Oh and if a mod deems it so you will have to respect their decision. ANd so wil I if the mod rules in your favor.

It's hypocritical because you and I and everyone else in this Roleplay has the same right to be here. If I don't have the right to be here, no one else does. Why should I respect your wishes, when I am not respected?
Calm down.

ADK, think you should get a mod in here?

Why, canh't we all settle our diffrences ourselves? That's what this thread is for.

If you refuse to leave this thread after the main participant asked you to AMF can call in a mod and have you removed.

For trying to Roleplay? You hypocrite. I will not be forced into doing anything.

How exactly am i being hypocritical, i am stating the fact, that the person who this entire RP pretty much revolves around asked you to leave, how is that beign hypocritical. Oh and if a mod deems it so you will have to respect their decision. ANd so wil I if the mod rules in your favor.

It's hypocritical because you and I and everyone else in this Roleplay has the same right to be here. If I don't have the right to be here, no one else does. Why should I respect your wishes, when I am not respected?

Whatever, just wait for a mod to make a decision ro to have AMF make this an invite only thread. ANd i must be going now, for i must get sleep.

You do have the right to be here, but because AMF, one of the main nations in this war, along with others are ignoring you, it would fuck up war pretty badly. Besides, all you've accomplished is pissing some people off.

So, where in the world is AMF?

So, where in the world is AMF?

AMF is an island somewhere in the lower Atlantic, where the climate is warm.

You do have the right to be here, but because AMF, one of the main nations in this war, along with others are ignoring you, it would f--- up war pretty badly. Besides, all you've accomplished is pissing some people off.

How do you think I feel when you follow me around the forums telling other players not to Roleplay with me? Eh? I'm tired of being forced by you and others into doing something I don't want. Oh sure, not everyone here is doing that to me. But people overtime... What would hurt worse: Getting your arm choped off or getting a papercut in the same place for a year? Small things can grow into big things. I'm pissing people off? You've pissed me off many a time Neo-Wu. You came into one of my threads once, and I didn't want you there. Did I run off calling 'MODALERT!'? No, I didn't I roleplayed with you, wether it was a well written roleplay or not. Maybe I wouldn't be so defiant if I wasn't being pressed by the NS Community all the time to conform. I'm an outcast here on the forums and I know that, you don't have to remind me.

Here's a question for the allies of AMF:

Is this conflict just going to be the defense of AMF, or do we go after the 4 aggressors themselves once AMF is secured?

Here's a question for the allies of AMF:

Is this conflict just going to be the defense of AMF, or do we go after the 4 aggressors themselves once AMF is secured?
That my friend will be decided after the battle is over, depending on how much carnage has happened and weather or not you want to.

Here's a question for the allies of AMF:

Is this conflict just going to be the defense of AMF, or do we go after the 4 aggressors themselves once AMF is secured?
That my friend will be decided after the battle is over, depending on how much carnage has happened and weather or not you want to.

Alright, we shall discuss that later.

So, where in the world is AMF?

AMF is an island somewhere in the lower Atlantic, where the climate is warm.

You mean on the equator?

Geostationary orbit is only possible above the equator at a certain altitude (as said before). It would certainly be warm there...but it would have to be on the equator or defending ships would oscilate between AMF and a place as far North from the equator as AMF is South.

So on the equator, right?

Neo-Wu - Alright. Enough. We've been kind enough to wait for other people to post. Don't insta-deploy your troops into AMF, thanks.

Ever occur to you they might be attacked on the way?

You've come from a solar system far, far away. Our troops started on the same planet. Yet you try to get here first?

Edit that.

So, where in the world is AMF?

AMF is an island somewhere in the lower Atlantic, where the climate is warm.

You mean on the equator?

Geostationary orbit is only possible above the equator at a certain altitude (as said before). It would certainly be warm there...but it would have to be on the equator or defending ships would oscilate between AMF and a place as far North from the equator as AMF is South.

So on the equator, right?

Not exactly, it's more south than the actual equator, but it's pretty close.

ADK, you have been asked to leave this thread. I tried handling this on the side, but apparently, that did not work. Consider yourself warned now. Stop posting in this thread, and move along.

You do have the right to be here, but because AMF, one of the main nations in this war, along with others are ignoring you, it would f--- up war pretty badly. Besides, all you've accomplished is pissing some people off.

How do you think I feel when you follow me around the forums telling other players not to Roleplay with me? Eh? I'm tired of being forced by you and others into doing something I don't want. Oh sure, not everyone here is doing that to me. But people overtime... What would hurt worse: Getting your arm choped off or getting a papercut in the same place for a year? Small things can grow into big things. I'm pissing people off? You've pissed me off many a time Neo-Wu. You came into one of my threads once, and I didn't want you there. Did I run off calling 'MODALERT!'? No, I didn't I roleplayed with you, wether it was a well written roleplay or not. Maybe I wouldn't be so defiant if I wasn't being pressed by the NS Community all the time to conform. I'm an outcast here on the forums and I know that, you don't have to remind me.
If you are following him around, that consitutes stalking and harrassment.
It's against the law.

ADK, I assure you I don't follow you around. In fact, I try to stay away from you as much as I can. We just happen to bump into each other in threads, and I feel I should warn people of your horrible rp'ing skills before I see something like the RF-ADK wars again. I did rp with you once...kind of. I quit half way in because I just couldn't stand the intense god-modding on both sides.

Automagfreek wants you to leave. Whispering Voices agrees. I agree. So do alot of others. Do you not understand this?

Neo-Wu, please rescind your magical troop teleportation device as detailed above, whilst we're on the subject of agreeing. Heh.

Neo-Wu, please rescind your magical troop teleportation device as detailed above, whilst we're on the subject of agreeing. Heh.

umm...what? troop teleportation device? you're confusing me. :?

Neo-Wu, please rescind your magical troop teleportation device as detailed above, whilst we're on the subject of agreeing. Heh.

umm...what? troop teleportation device? you're confusing me. :?


Neo-Wu - Alright. Enough. We've been kind enough to wait for other people to post. Don't insta-deploy your troops into AMF, thanks.

Ever occur to you they might be attacked on the way?

You've come from a solar system far, far away. Our troops started on the same planet. Yet you try to get here first?

Edit that.

and I feel I should warn people of your horrible rp'ing skills before I see something like the RF-ADK wars again. I did rp with you once...kind of. I quit half way in because I just couldn't stand the intense god-modding on both sides.

*cough*

What would it matter if the RP between ADK and whoever else turns out badly? I mean, really, there is a chance that it wouldn't. So... its not really your resposiblity to tell people not to RP with ADK, let them learn by their own experiancese wheither or not they should.

They're not even at Automagfreek yet. They've just passed international waters. Besides, I posted the mobilization of my navy, 3 days ago. I'm on Earth, as well and fairly close to AMF at that.

Canada-Germany: They don't have to listen to me, I'm just expressing my opinions, based on past events.

Anyways, I'm gonna go to bed. I skipped CC practice today to hang out with my g/f, and I need to get up in the morning to run 6 miles. We can argue all you guys want later.

Canada-Germany: They don't have to listen to me, I'm just expressing my opinions, based on past events.

Eh, but it still does form a kinda... Bias, that may or may not be warrented at that early state, ^^;;

Ah well, cheers guy, have fun with your GF... and your run too, of course, lol.

They're not even at Automagfreek yet. They've just passed international waters.

~
The Invasion fleet rolled into Automagfreek waters

You're on Earth and from Ursa 47 at the same time?

They're not even at Automagfreek yet. They've just passed international waters.

~
The Invasion fleet rolled into Automagfreek waters

You're on Earth and from Ursa 47 at the same time?

It's called colonies. AMF has a large colony on 47 Ursa Majoris as well.

My nation as for the most part been located on Earth for about...oh 3 months now... :roll:

Alright. I'll accept that in the same spirit I accept the fact that not being at Automagfreek yet equates to sailing into his waters.

Alright. I'll accept that in the same spirit I accept the fact that not being at Automagfreek yet equates to sailing into his waters.

I do know that Neo-Wu and Pantera did deploy their fleets immediatly upon request of the AMF government. Thety should be arriving very shortly.

They're not even at Automagfreek yet. They've just passed international waters.

~
The Invasion fleet rolled into Automagfreek waters

You're on Earth and from Ursa 47 at the same time?

It's called colonies. AMF has a large colony on 47 Ursa Majoris as well.

Neo-Wu recently stated that his homeplanet was Nemesis, in the 47 Ursa Majoris system. In fact, I believe it was in one of the other threads. Does he have a colony on Earth that contains his main troop strength?

Posted about Wazzu's fleets moving through the English Channel, here is what they include.

First Fleet: Contains Wazzu's newest vessels, typically 60+ years old in Wazzu's timeline.

2 Domestic Tri-Hull Escort Carriers (Cruisers), WCVE Right, WCVE Left
3 Domestic Tri-Hull Cruisers, WC Dagger, WC Katana, WC Bastard
6 Domestic Tri-Hull Destroyers, WRD Orca, WRD Dolphin, WRD Porpose, WRD Samson, WRD Freeport, WRD Hellcat
10 Domestic Tri-Hull Frigates, WMF Windjammer, WMF Hailstorm, WMF Hurricane, WSF Fisherman, WSF Ahab, WAF Birddog, WAF Shotgun, WAF Hunter, WAF Radar
1 Domestic Tri-Hull Command Ship (Frigate), WCF Farseer
2 Domestic Tri-Hull Fleet Support Ships, WRD Frogger, WRD Berzerk
8 Domestic Tri-Hull Hydrofoil Corvettes
32 Domestic Tri-Hull Hydrofoil PT Boats
----Includes----
30 L.V.T. Adventurer II VTOL Jet Fighters
10 C-1010 Inca Attack Helecopters
20 CH-1000 Zancudo Transport and Attack Helecopters
40 VR-500X UCAV Helecopters



Second Fleet: Contains Wazzu's amphibous and forign or old refitted vehicles. Best for "clean-up."

1 Refitted Rotenfeld Kirov-Class Battlecruiser, WBC Rotenfeld
2 Refitted Texarnica Elf-Class Amphibous Ships, WAM Elf, WAM Texarnica
2 Domestic Tri-Hull Amphibous Ships, WAPD Otter, WAPD Sea Lion
1 Refitted Western Asia Tri-Hull Cruiser, WMC Western Asia
2 Refitted Western Asia Tri-Hull Destroyers, WMD Israel, WMD Jordan
1 Refitted Ruhr Stealth Destroyer, WRD Ruhr
2 Refitted Wazzu Frigates (monohull) WCD Vigilant, WCD Watchguard
2 Refitted Commercial Freighters, WRD Packman, WRC Donky Kong
2 Domestic Tri-Hull Arsonel Ships (Frigate), WASF Bombard, WASF Breaker
8 Domestic Tri-Hull Hydrofoil Corvettes
32 Domestic Tri-Hull Hydrofoil PT Boats
----Includes----
40 C-1010 Inca Attack Helecopters
20 L.V.T. Adventurer II VTOL Jet Fighters
60 CH-1000 Zancudo Transport and Attack Helecopters
120 Iron Queen Multi=Purpose Assault Vehicle (Amphibous APC)
60 Iron Hammer Fast Amphibous Assault Tank (hover)
30 Iron Hail Short-Range Guided Artillary Platform
20 Iron Storm Medium-Range Guided Artillary Platform
10 Iron Lightning Long-Range Guided Artillary Platform



Wazzu "Grav-Fleet" (not true gravships)
12 CG-1 Protector-Class Moniters

Incomplete information and pictures on/of these can be found here (http://members.cox.net/davage/NationStates/Wazzu/Military/Vehicles.html).

Note that this is almost the entire known Wazzu Navy...that is, everything beyond a small naval defense force and considerable national defenses.

Note also that it isn't that much. It looks long, but most of it is either large (seaworthy) patrol ships, or onboard armor and aircraft.

Note finally that I did post several times ICly about a "submersable" fleet in the origional AMF war thread. That information is secret, though satelites MAY have noticed large ships with rather hydrodynamic decks simply dissappearing from the Southern Agu coastline. While the ships at the top of this post are making their way towards AMF at a measly slow 35knots, the others are racing underwater at about 50...and making a hell-of-a-lotta noise. Not that most people would know what they were or who to associate them with. ;)


As for who I am for, I have already stated that I am deliberately leaving that obscure.


EDIT: Wazzu space assets have so far not made a noticable move.
EDIT2: That is, other than to continue their normal activity...the escort of merchant ships between Venus and Saturn.

<Tag> I'm not about to jump into this war, although I am an ally of Whispering Voices in extra-regional affairs and he can call on some support if he needs it. Although by the time I get there I will probably only be able to cover his retreat. Not futuretech, although there are some space assets which will only apply if the war hits the Devils Desert.

*Just notes he is in, too*

Seriously. No more OOC posts in the IC threads.

Watertest has decided that they will send the following support to you in aid to support you.((OOC: I am going to command them))

(These are what the cost of the units orginally, and what it will cost to transport & supply them

Defense of Automagfreek

FORCES = COST
<snip some rather huge forces> :shock:

Weapons & Ammo
<snip lots of supplies> :shock:

Break up of Forces
<snip very reasonably force breakdown... someone with a sensible proportion of CSS people in their fighting force :D >

(OOC: These are being sent in groups of 45,000 per 2 (NS) months. So no these aren't all in one bigas- boat armada that you can sink. I also haven't Rped the boat landings either)

Okay... I'm not trying to nit-pick. Well maybe I am, but I like logistics and thought I help with a few things to try and make it even more realistic: help to show up those who mysticly-appear stuff. This isn't a go at Watertest... I mean, if I was having a go, I'd point at that the following designation 15,000 M1A4 Bradley’s=$27,500,000,000 is wrong. A Bradley is an M2 (or as a cavalry-variant, M3).

But since I'm not, I can assume that its just a typo and get on with it. :wink:

45,000 men is a big-ass convoy... especially since most of those are vehicle crews and hence would have all their tanks and suchlike with them during shipping. That is massive amount of men and effort to throw one place at one time. I bow to you for being willing to space out the deployment... and reading the time-frame again (my bad) it will be a fair number of smaller convoys doing the shipping over time.
But that doesn't mean that they can't try to intercept your forces. And frankly I bet they will... and it'll be up to the sea, air and space assets of your allies to keep a path open to get your convoys through.

It'll have to be a balance because every asset they divert to keeping the lines open is one that wont be able to commit to the major battles. On the other hand... if they don't protect them enough then you might lose big on the way in and have far fewer land forces to help in the land invasion.
And considering AMF's claim that it wont come to a land battle... he might be stingy on the cover for forces he wont need.

But I meander... I guess I'm just trying to speak out how I know one means of warfare works so as to look at how it ought to happen. Don't mind me, I ramble.

Right.

The Orion and 47 Ursa Majoris systems are being thoroughly scanned, on all wavelengths from all directions, by the Legacy. I suggest if you haven't already, you follow the link in the main thread to see exactly what it can do.

Therefore, I'd like maps and deployment numbers for assets inside those systems and present on Earth. As far as I can tell, pretty much entire space fleets have been sent to guard Automagfreek (bearing in mind many of the countries involved aren't actually that big, with jack all military spending, and seem to have vast numbers of capital ships).

This especially includes details on the Nemesis gate, and whatever bizarre theory is held to explain the inability of people to approach a solar system (or planet? Not even sure about that) except through one 'door'. Also orbital defences in those two systems.

In turn, the Voices armada now it can be scanned (it's broken up somewhat), has the following revealed:

10 capital ships. 1km x 300m x 300m.
20 big ships. 500m x 200m x 200m.
50 medium ships. 200m x 150m x 150m.
100 small ships. 150m x 50m x 50m.

I say capital, big, medium, small because all the ships look identical from the outside - just the sheathe size gives any indication of what they might do. There are still many sheathes floating around in Devil's Desert orbit areas.


And good plan, Watertest. Better lose some troops quick before your 15 million frontline troops rebel at an inability to pay them and a total lack of support staff, eh? :p