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<OOC Apologies for the long post, it's got almost my entire catalogue in it /OOC>
(A Calc is .93 USD)

Calarca Shipbuilding Co has several designs of warships available. These hulls have modular fitting points and may be fitted out in a variety of fashions, depending on whether the focus is to be anti Sub, anti Air or Surface combat. Pick any combination of the below to fit your own operational needs. Calarca can custom design ships to your own individual requirements.

Carrier, Medium size.
A 67,000 ton CTOL/STOL/VTOL ship carrying 64 aircraft of F-14/Su-29 size/performance more if smaller, less if bigger. The main noteworthy point of this ship is the catapult launching system integrated within a skijump ramp, allowing CTOL catapult launched aircraft and VSTOL skijump launched aircraft to launch from the same deck area. Self defence systems include 6 Phalanx 20mm CIWS mounts, 3 twin 75mm mounts and 4 RIM-118 SRM 21 missile tubes and 16 cells ESSM (64 missiles). Designed to operate within an escort group. Speed is 33Knt on 8 LM3000 gas turbines and 4 shafts. range with all engines at flank speed is 8000NM, with 4 engines, one per shapft at a cruising speed of 24 Knt max range is 12,000NM. Crew 1400 including aircrew.
Price 1,310,000,000.oo Calcs or $1,218,300,000.oo USD
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Cruiser, Guided Missile Antiair. AEGIS with 64 cell VLS loaded with STANDARD SM-2MR missiles, as main armament, secondary armament of 12 cell VLS loaded with Harpoon and 127mm gun, one 21 tube RIM-118 SRM drum, two CIWS Vulcan cannons and two 3 tube torpedo clusters. this is an extremely effective Air suppression platform.
32 Knt speed or 16000NM range with twin screw COGAG twin LM2500 and twin LM2500, for cruising at most economical long range speend, 16Knt with one pair LM2500s geared to one screw each for a range of 16000NM, and for faster speed, all four turbines going, two geared to each shaft. 32Knt for 6000NM. weight 4,900 tons
350,000,000.00 Calcs

Cruiser, Command. AEGIS with 64 cell VLS loaded with 32 STANDARD SM-2 missiles 12 Harpoons and 16 cells ESSM (64 missiles), as main armament, secondary armament 127mm gun, one 21 tube RIM-118 SRM drum, two CIWS Vulcan cannons and two 3 tube torpedo clusters. 4 single enclosed 30mm Rarden cannon or enclosed twin 25mm bushmaster chainguns, two mounted above bridge, two abaft the funnel, pintle mounted .50 HMGs mounted along the deck railings. This is an effective Air suppression platform with singificant antisurface capabilities.
The usual secondary 12 cell VLS system mounted aft of the mast and fore of the funnel is removed and replaced inside the ship with a command centre and admirals/flotilla comanders station with additional radar, radio on information stations, this connects to the ships own combat command centre directly forwards under the mast mountings which in its turn opens onto the bridge allowing quick communincation and access to the bridge.
NAUTIS naval information transfer and analysis system, capable of commanding up to 5 groups of 20 ships each.
32 Knt speed or 16000NM range with twin screw COGAG twin LM2500 and twin LM2500, for cruising at most economical long range speend, 16Knt with one pair LM2500s geared to one screw each for a range of 16000NM, and for faster speed, all four turbines going, two geared to each shaft. 32Knt for 6000NM. weight 5,690 tons
358,000,000.00 Calcs

Destroyer, Guided Missile Antiship. With 36 Cell VLS loaded with Harpoon as primary armament, secondary armament of 12 cell VLS loaded with ESSM (enhanced sea sparrow missile, the enhanced part is better manuverability and fold in fins that allows 4 per cell rather than the origional 1) @ 4 per cell (48 missiles), 127mm gun, one 21 tube RIM-118 SRM drum, two CIWS Vulcan Cannons, and two 3 tube torpedo clusters, this is an effective Antisurface ship.
33 Knt speed or 17000NM range with twin screw COGAG twin LM2500 and twin LM2500, for cruising at most economical long range speend, 16Knt with one pair LM2500s geared to one screw each for a range of 17000NM, and for faster speed, all four turbines going, two geared to each shaft. 32Knt for 7000NM. weight 4,200 tons.
320,000,000.00 Calcs

Destroyer Multirole. With 36 Cell VLS loaded with 12 cells SM-2, 12 cells Harpoon and 12 cells ESSM (48 missiles) as primary armament on foredeck, secondary armament of 3x 127mm guns two in a twin gun mount on foredeck forwards of VLS and one mounted between mast and funnel replacing secondary VLS, funnel cut down and fitted with blower extractor to make up for shorter height so Gun can fire to rearwards. one 21 tube RIM-118 SRM drum, two CIWS Vulcan Cannons, and two 3 tube torpedo clusters, this is an effective Antisurface ship with strong anti air elements with a long range SAM (SM-2), a medium range SAM (ESSM) and a short range defensive SAM (SRM). It also has significant Antisubmarine capabilities when SH-2G dipping sonar ASW helicopters are carried to augument the standard towed sonar and acvive hull dome sonar, the ASW helos also have mountings for light torpedos and mines to augument the torpedo tubes carried aboard. 4 enclosed twin 25mm bushmaster chain gun mounts or enclosed single mounts 30mm Raden cannon stationed above the bridge and abeam/abaft the funnel with pintle mounted .50HMGs mounted along the rails for boarding actions.
33 Knt speed or 17000NM range with twin screw COGAG twin LM2500 and twin LM2500, for cruising at most economical long range speend, 16Knt with one pair LM2500s geared to one screw each for a range of 17000NM, and for faster speed, all four turbines going, two geared to each shaft. 32Knt for 7000NM. weight 4,350 tons
357,500,000.00 Calcs

All these ships come with a hangar bay large enough for 3 small/medium helicopters or 2 large helicopters.

Frigates, with IKARA ASW rocket system (rocket booster with a small antisub torpedo as warhead) as main armament, secondary armament of 12 cell VLS system loaded with 4 cells harpoons and 8 cells ESSM @ 4 per cell (32 missiles), 127mm gun, one CIWS 20mm Vulcan Cannon, two 3 tube topedo clusters. hangar space for 1 helicopter.
34 Knt speed or 14000NM range. CODAG with one MAN diesel and one LM2500 turbine. most economic crusing with MAN diesel, 16 Knt for 14000NM, LM2500 engaged for 34Knt and 6000NM range. weight 2,900 tons
195,000,000.00 Calcs

Frigates, with 24 call VLS with 24 SM-2 STANDARD SAMs, secondary armament of 12 cell VLS system loaded with 4 cells harpoons and 8 cells ESSM @ 4 per cell (32 missiles), 127mm gun, one CIWS 20mm Vulcan Cannon, two 3 tube topedo clusters. hangar space for 1 helicopter.
34 Knt speed or 14000NM range. CODAG with one MAN diesel and one LM2500 turbine. most economic crusing with MAN diesel, 16 Knt for 14000NM, LM2500 engaged for 34Knt and 6000NM range. weight 2,850 tons
210,000,000.00 Calcs

Frigates, with 24 call VLS with 24 HArpoon AntiShip Missiles, secondary armament of 12 cell VLS system loaded with 12 cells ESSM @ 4 per cell (48 missiles), 127mm gun, one CIWS 20mm Vulcan Cannon, two 3 tube topedo clusters. hangar space for 1 helicopter.
34 Knt speed or 14000NM range. CODAG with one MAN diesel and one LM2500 turbine. most economic crusing with MAN diesel, 16 Knt for 14000NM, LM2500 engaged for 34Knt and 6000NM range. weight 2,850 tons
(as frigate above but with Harpoon not SM-1 SAMs)
205,000,000.00 Calcs

Frigates, light General Purpose,
Armed with:
One x 12 cell vertical Launcher
8 cells ESSM (Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile) Surface to air missile @ 4 missiles per cell, total 32 missiles
4 cells Harpoon Surface to surface missile
Two x 21 cell RIM-118 SRM (Short Range Missile)
One x 127mm gun (5 inch)
Two x 3 tube Torpedo mounts, loaded with Mk48 ADCAP. 6 torpedoes total
One x 20mm Vulcan CIWS (close in weapon system)
One x Twin 40mm Dual purpose AntiAir/AntiSurface mount
Four x .50 HMG (Heavy Machine Gun)
Radar and Sonar (details classified)
Engines COGAG (combined action Gas and Gas) 2 x LM2500 Gas Turbines.
Range 10,000NM @ 16Knt on one engine, 3000NM @ 39Knt both engines.
Crew 269 each
149,000,000.oo Calcs

Large Patrol Boat, The smallest that can handle open water seaways. More a messenger packet or investigationary ship, armed with twin 40mm dual purpose antiair/antisurface gun mount, two single Exocet missile canisters, one 21 cell drum RIM-118 SRM (Short Range Missile as the ESSM is a marinised AIM-7 Sparrow missile with a new sensor package the SRM is a marinised AIM-9 Sidewinder with a new dual IR and Radar sensor) two single torpedo tube. No helicopter, but a clear rear deck aft of the RIM-118 for winching up and down supplies. no crew quaters and only one watch aboard, alternate crew stay aboard the Replenishment ship until time to transfer over for their watch. weight 1,150 tons
105,000,000.00 Calcs

Patrol boats (Missile),
Armed with:
One x 9 cell RIM-118
Two x single canister EXOCET
One x 76mm gun
Two x .50 HMG
One x Depth Charge Rack, 20 charges
Radar and Sonar (details classified)
Engine Gas Turbine, LM500
Range 1500NM @ 38Knt
Crew 58 each
Designed for inshore coastal defence sortieing from a base, Exocet can be changed for similiar missile like Penguin AS missiles.
Cost: 68,000,000.00 Calcs

Fast Patrol boat (gun),
Armed with:
1 x Twin 40mm Dual AntiAir/AntiSurface mount
2 x 20mm guns
2 x .50 HMG
Radar
Engine Twin diesels. Hamilton Jet propulsion on Hydrofoils
Range 1000NM @ 48Knt planning
Crew 21 each
Inshore and interception force ships, little more than overpowered high speed coastguard cutters, are however effective for enforcing blockades as a force multiplyer, 4 or 5 of these can career around an area and call back to base for support.
29,000,000.00 Calcs

These ships are unarmoured and are not designed for closing and engaging with guns as primary tatics. However they all have Gas turbine and diesel engines, meaning they can surge from base to sea within minutes of alert being sounded.

Replenishment at sea ship. A large military spec cargo ship capablie of refueling and reloading the other ships while underway, can make new parts for the other ships (within reason) and carries large numbers of what spare parts cannot be made, is also capable of towing a disabled ship to nearest harbour or dockyard. selfdefence armament of two 21 missile drums of RIM-118 SRM and two CIWS vulcan cannons. also carries exchange crew for the PB and crews quarters for offduty PB crew if operating in conjucntion with PBs. Has a helicopter deck and space for 2 large helicopters to airlift supplies or PB crews.
12000 tons, 28 Knts from steam boiler, can replenish via RAS link to port and starboard, or Sheerlegs to port and drogue tow to rear. (RAS is refueling via hoses winched or hauled over and solid goods slid over on wire ropes and pulleys. Sheerleg refueling is by swaying out padded buttresses between the ships and lashing both ships together, stern drogue is refueling only, the end of the fuel hose is screwed onto a float, and dragged after the boat, the ship to be refueled pulls it out of the water and unfastedning the float, attaches it to the fueling point.)
265,000,000.00 Calcs

Landing Ship Tank, Mk 3,
345.10 feet LOA, beam 55.3, draft (aft) 13 feet.
2140 ton empty, 3117 fully loaded.
10,000NM at 14 knots, max of 18 knots.
LM1500 Gas turbines. Twin screw.
1x twin 75mm (3inch) gun mount on foredeck, can be used to shell beach on landings. 1x 40mm on afterdeck. 3x 20mm, one on bridge roof, one each port and starboard just aft of 75mm turrent. 2x 9 tube SRM drums. aft of funnel. The 40mm rear gun replaced with a two missile Penguin launcher and 4 more missiles to provide a more effective antiship protection force.
Can carry 168 troops, 18x 40 ton tanks 7 LCMs and 27 trucks. By carrying tanks and trucks armed with TOW or other weapons on deck, during transport the ship can enhance defensive powers.
These ships also carry two LARC V amphibious trucks on deck with derricks to lower them to the water. these can carry 20 troops or 4.5 tons of supplies. 119,000,000.oo Calcs or $110,670,000.oo USD
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Transport ship Medium. Enlarged Modified Tobruk Class.
4100 ton empty, 5800 ton full load. 475Ft LOA, Beam 65ft, Draft 19ft aft 13 ft forward
Twin screw LM2500 gas turbine 30,000SHp. max speed 25 Knt, cruise speed 19 Knt. Max range at cruise 14000 Nm
Can carry 420 comfortably men for long periods, or 700 men in overload conditions for short periods.
RO-RO ship with topside deck accessable from wharfs. Bow doors and ramp for shore landings on deep beaches with steep dropoffs. Carries 4 LARC V Amphibous trucks, Rear doors and ramp for at sea transfers of eqiupment and men to shallower draft ships such as the LST Mk3 in earlier post or for deployment of medium hover landingcraft. can carry 24 x 60 ton tanks on lower deck and 30 trucks, 8 x 40 ton tanks and 12 trucks on upper, with lift access similiar to a carriers. Hangar rear deck, room for 2 large airlift helicopters.
Defensive weapons of 2 twin 75mm (3 inch) mounts on forecastle deck, 2 x Phalanx CIWS 20mm abaft the funnel on hangar roof level, and 2 x RIM-118 SRM abaft the funnel on hangar deck level. 189,500,000.oo USD
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Landing Craft Dock. Marine amphibious assult ship.
Power plant: Twin LM2500 Gas Turbines, 60,000SHp
Length: 684 feet (208.5 meters)
Beam: 105 feet (31.9 meters)
Displacement: Approximately 24,900 tons (25,300 metric tons) full load
Speed: in excess of 22 knots (24.2 mph, 38.7 kph)
Aircraft: Launch or land up to four CH-46 Sea Knight helicopters; or up to two MV-22 Osprey tilt rotor aircraft simultaneously with room to spot four MV-22s on deck and one in the hangar.
Armament: Two Bushmaster II 30 mm Close in Guns, fore and aft; two 21 tube RIM-118 SRM drums, fore and aft. 2 Phalanx CIWS 20mm guns fore and aft. The rear 30mm Bushmaster cannon of the LSD can be removed and a quad launcher for Penguin AS missiles and a magazine and autoloader holding 12 more missiles can be fitted in order to provide further ranged protection against enemy ships.
Carries 900 Men in comfort. Armoured Equipment and supplies for those men, comes with Landingcraft Hover x 2 or Landing craft medium x 1 in internal flooding docking bay. 290,000,000.oo USD
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Landingcraft, Hover, medium carries 6 trucks (tight fit), 2 light tanks (40 ton), one large tank (60 ton), or 80 men, or a mix such as 2 trucks, one light tank and 20 men etc. For a total weight of 120 tons. Armed with 2 x single 40mm bofors rapid fire cannon to the fore flanking the ramp for suppression of enemy shore positions or air defenses, can be swappeed for twin 30mm bushmaster or single 20mm gatling mounts. Max range 400 Nm at 42 Knt. One can be carried in the dock. cost 8 million USD one comes standard with the LSD as ppart of the purchase price.

Landingcraft, Hover, small. can carry one light tank, three trucks, or 50 men for a loaded weight of 50 tons. three can be carried in the dock, or driven up onto the tank/truck carriage deck in place of trucks/tanks, can also fit into the Modified Tobrucks in place of wheeled cargo. Armed with two single 20mm cannons on bridge roof. Max range 300Nm at 42 Nm. cost 5 million USD



Heavy Armour

We have two types of armour:

Tempered steel, as used from the days of the first ironclads through to the second world war and after. The term is self explanitory, is always there, unlike water, however can be penetrated by HEAT and HEAA warheats with shaped charges. Comes in various thicknesses to stop different enemy rounds.

Advanced Layered Plate. A development spurred by the success of Chobham armour, layers of tempered steel, titanium honeycomb, High temperature ceramics, and foamed aluminum embedded with Titanium and HTC balls. External hull is smooth tempered steel, with the inner side butting on the layered filling moulded into shallow pyrimids, and the filling layers repeating this corrugation untill the last inner steel layer which has a smooth inner hull. These corrugations are so even a perfectly square impact by a HEAT or HEAA round will have the shaped charge meet the inner layers at an angle. The titanium is a high temperature strong metal and weakens the shaped charge with the nessesity of buring through it, the High temperature ceramics are there to blunten the force of the shaped charge jet even further, and upon reaching the titanium and HTC balls in the foamed aluminium the jet will be deflected everywhere but through the last steel wall. This is the same basic method as chobham armour, and the materials are as effective against the convetional high speed solid round as ever.

Battleship, Cruiser, or Destroyer

BB's have 8 x 18 inch guns (two 3 gun turrents and one 2 gun turrent), 18+ inches layered plate armour, 64 cell VLS SM-1 with 32 cells SAM SM-2, and 32 cells Harpoon, hangar space and helipad for 4 helicopters or 2 VTOL harriers / YAK forgers, numerous 5 inch, 40mm and RIM-118 SRM missile defences, and 4 CIWS's. and weigh 36,000 tons and manage 33Knts on nuclear reacters and steam turbine.

Cruisers are either missile:
AEGIS with 64 cell VLS loaded with STANDARD SM-2MR missiles, as main armament, secondary armament of 12 cell VLS loaded with Harpoon and 127mm gun two CIWS Vulcan cannons and two 3 tube torpedo clusters. this is an extremely effective Air suppression platform.
or Gun: 3 x 8 inch twin turrents or 3 x 12 inch single turrents, 32 cell VLS with 24 cells ESSM and 12 cells harpoon. some 5 inch, 40MM and RIM-118 SRM mounts. 2 CIWS's
both 8 to 10 inches tempered steel or layered plate, weigh 20,000 tons gun and 18,000 tons missile. Top speed 31Knt from nuclear reacter and steam turbines.

Destroyers are either:
Missile: 32 Cell VLS loaded with Harpoon as primary armament, secondary armament of 12 cell VLS loaded with ESSM (enhanced sea sparrow missile, the enhanced part is better manuverability and fold in fins that allows 4 per cell rather than the origional 1) @ 4 per cell (48 missiles), one 127mm gun, two CIWS Vulcan Cannons, and two 3 tube torpedo clusters. two 21 cell RIM-118 SRM drums.This is an effective Antisurface ship.
Or gun: two twin 6 inch turrents or two single 8 inch turrents secondary armament of 12 cell VLS system loaded with 4 cells harpoons and 8 cells ESSM @ 4 per cell (32 missiles), one CIWS 20mm Vulcan Cannon, two 3 tube topedo clusters, two 21 cell RIM-118 SRM drums.
both 6 to 8 inches tempered steel plate or layered plate, Weigh 19,000 tons gun and 17,500 tons missile. Top speed 32Knt from nuclear reacter and steam turbines.

Both Gun and Missile heavy armoured Cr and Dds have hangar space and helicopter decks for 2 large helicopters

the heavy armoured ship require time from the alert being sounded til the reactors heat enough steam to get underway, approx 2 to 4 hours depending on make of reactor. but they can close to gun distance and engage with guns (gun) or survive being hit by opposing ships guns if they come too close (missile).

Cost:
BB = 1,150,000,000.00 Calcs
Cr(gun) = 710,000,000.00 Calcs
Cr(misl) = 690,000,000.00 Calcs
Dd(gun) = 590,000,000.00 Calcs
Dd(misl) = 550,000,000.00 Calcs

plus 35,000,000.00 for upgrading tempered steel with advanced layered plate on the Crs and 30,000,000.00 for upgrading to ALP for the Dds

Yes expensive, but all that armour plate requires a lot of man hours to manufacture, place and weld, as well as being expensive in the first place, good steel isn't cheap. And with 8+ inches rather than .25 as on modern ships, you get what you pay for.

Nuclear reacters will have to be sourced from a nuclear industry country as Calarca does not have Uranium mining or nuclear technology. The prefered partner for nuclear technology is the Consistutional Monarchy of Ell's ESSA.

Automobiles.

Landrover Defender 6x6 130 = $51,000
Landrover Defender 4x4 130 = $47,000
Landrover Defender 4x4 110 = $43,000
Landrover Defender 4x4 90 = $40,000

all with either 4.2L striaght 6 cyl Turbo diesel 148Kw & 510Nm or 5.9L V8 Turbo petrol 245Kw & 475Nm, 6 speed & reverse gearbox and low ratio, Center diff full time 4x4. All with 34" tyres. Numbers refer to wheelbase in inches.

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Mercedes Unimog 6x6 8 ton = $151,000
Mercedes Unimog 6x6 6 ton = $139,000
Mercedes Unimog 4x4 3 ton = $110,000

6x6 with 6L Straight 8 Turbo diesel, 285Kw & 720Nm, with 8 speed & 2 reverse gearbox and low ratio, center diff, full time 6x6.
4x4 with 4.8L straight 8 cyl turbo diesel, 200Kw & 675Nm, with 8 speed & 2 reverse gearbox and low ratio, center diff full time 4x4. All 39" tyres.

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Isuzu Trooper II LWB 4x4/2x4 = $32,000
Isuzu Trooper II SWB 4x4/2x4 = $31,000

Both 3.1 Turbo diesel intercooler 5 speed & reverse gearbox and low ratio, Selectable 2wd/4wd manual shift, manual locking hubs. LWB is 7 seater, SWB is 5 seater. Old bodystyle ('88, late '89 and early '90) with modern 3.1 TD eangine ('98 onwards). 31" tyres. Ideal personnel transport, only SUV to have more carrying capacity in '88 was the Suburban, even now bigger capacity than the Ford Explorer.

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The Council of Tribe, representing the Nomadic Peoples of Aerion, is interested in escort ships built to protect our nomadic town ships. Please indicate to us what a good escort ship would be. We would most likely require 10 of such ships.

First Elder Wasterin V'i
Council of Tribes

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A good escort is a mix of cababilities, with a suitable allround capacity for antiship, antiair and antisurface weapons. The ideal is a large corvette or small frigate for allround use, for protection of larger groups of ships such as convoys large ships, a flotilla would be more appropriate, a flotilla of 2 antiair guided missile (AEGIS or TSD) cruisers, 2 antisurface missile destroyers, 6 antisubmarine frigates and 8 high speed corvettes.

A single escort ship to escort a single large ship, would best be a large corvette or frigate.

Different ships have different roles. Cruisers are loaded with a high proportion of SAM hardware, mostly long distance high capability. these deny the air to opposing Aircraft. Destroyers have a large portion of their armament devoted to surface to surface cruise missiles and are designed to destroy the opposing ships. Frigates are smaller mobile ships with a loarge antisubmarine capability, these operate further out on the flanks and to the fore and rear of the convoy, sweeping the sea for enemy submarines and carry ASW helicopters to drop sonobouys or torpedos. A corvette is a jack of all trades and master of none, these are smaller than a frigate and carry almost equal amounts of SAM, SS and ASW weapons and sweep even further out than the frigates, acting as beaters or sweeps for the more capable ships.

Contact us with the numbers of ships per convoy to be protected, the number of escort ships you wish to deploy to protect said convoys the threat to said convoys (sub, plane or boat) and the price you are willing to pay and we can tailor a package to suit.

our suggestion for a 10 ship defensive force is:

1 Cruiser, AEGIS with 64 cell VLS loaded with STANDARD SM-1 missiles, as main armament, secondary armament of 12 cell VLS loaded with Harpoon and 127mm gun two CIWS Vulcan cannons and two 3 tube torpedo clusters. this is an extremely effective Air suppression platform.

1 Destroyer, with 32 Cell VLS loaded with Harpoon as primary armament, secondary armament of 12 cell VLS loaded with ESSM (enhanced sea sparrow missile, the enhanced part is better manuverability and fold in fins that allows 4 per cell rather than the origional 1) @ 4 per cell (48 missiles), 127mm gun, two CIWS Vulcan Cannons, and two 3 tube torpedo clusters, this is an effective Antisurface ship.
both these ships comw with a hangar bay large enough for 3 small/medium helicopters or 2 large helicopters.

4 Frigates, with IKARA ASW rocket system (rocket booster with a small antisub torpedo as warhead) as main armament, secondary armament of 12 cell VLS system loaded with 4 cells harpoons and 8 cells ESSM @ 4 per cell (32 missiles), 127mm gun, one CIWS 20mm Vulcan Cannon, two 3 tube topedo clusters. hangar space for 1 helicopter.

1 large Patrol Boat, The smallest that can handle open water seaways. More a messenger packet or investigationary ship, armed with twin 40mm dual purpose antiair/antisurface gun mount, two single Peguin/exocet or other small antiship missile canisters, one 21 cell drum RIM-118 SRM (Short Range Missile as the ESSM is a marinised AIM-7 Sparrow missile with a new sensor package the SRM is a marinised AIM-9 Sidewinder with a new dual IR and Radar sensor) two songle torpedo tube. No helicopter, but a clear rear deck afto of the RIM-118 for winchin up and down supplies. no crew quaters and only one watch aboard, alternate crew stay aboard the Replenishment ship until time to transfer over for their watch.

1 replenishment at sea ship. large military spec cargo ship capablie of refueling and reloading the other ships while underway, can make new parts for the other ships (within reason) and carries large numbers of what spare parts cannot be made, is also capable of towing a disabled ship to nearest harbour or dockyard. selfdefence armament of two 21 missile drums of RIM-118 SRM and two CIWS vulcan cannons. also carries exchange crew for the PB and crews quarters for offduty PB crew.

ooc:Seraphim, if you are saying I am not roleplaying properly because I ordered ten escort frigates, then I do not understand. A country of 6 million, even though we are the way we are, should be able to afford that. If you are just showing me to that, I have seen it, and read some of the posts. :). If however the former is correct, I also wonder why you go around policing posts more than you actually post up good lengthy roleplay posts. No one hardly favors a rules lawyer. In which case, I really don't care, because my conception of what is realistic may be different than yours. There are some standard principles, but you do not have to apply total realism to everything. That would take economists, RL politicans, and RL statistics. Do you have a degree or qualifications in any of these things?)

Unfortunately, the Council of Tribes may only direct funds to ten frigates, and cannot afford the larger warships. Just ten frigates is a stretch at this time. However, we have decided that our allies may protect our ships if they are attacked. The two tribes that will send their people on the five nomad ships realize that their lives are at risk in the nomadic life of the sea.

First Elder Wasterin V'i
Council of Tribes

How would you like your Frigates outfitted?
we can fit a mix of any of the following into our basic hull:

Front gun port:
*6 inch single 600 rounds + 6 in turrent.
*127mm/5 inch single 900 rounds + 8 in turrent.
*twin 4.5 inch 1100 rounds + 10 in turrent.
*4.5 inch single 1250 rounds + 8 in turrent.
*IKARA ASW rocket launcher 20 rounds magazine + 1 on launcher. (Rocket with torpedo warhead.)

Forward VLS port: 12 cells. any mix of the following:
*12 STANDARD SM-1 SAM missiles.
*12 Harpoon antiship missles.
*12 ASUBROC anti submarine rockets. (Rocket with 4 depthcharge warhead)
*48 ESSM SAM missiles, 4 per cell.
OR...
Interior area for storage or quarters and deck cargo of:
*8 Harpoon missiles in two 4 tube stacks.
*8 penguin antiship missiles in two 4 tube stacks.
*4 Tomahawk missiles in two 2 tube canisters.
OR...
internal area as magazine and raised deck fitting:
*6 inch single 600 rounds + 6 in turrent.
*127mm/5 inch single 900 rounds + 8 in turrent.
*twin 4.5 inch 1100 rounds + 10 in turrent.
*4.5 inch single 1250 rounds + 8 in turrent.
*IKARA ASW rocket launcher 20 rounds magazine + 1 on launcher. (Rocket with torpedo warhead.)

Central external fitment point. (aft of mast and fore of exhaust stack, restricted fireing zone to above 45 degrees aft to vertical and to port and starboard, not reccomended in ships due to encounter heavy seas but fine for moderate seas.):
*twin 76mm/3 inch guns.
*single 76mm/3 inch gun.
*twin 40mm guns.
*single 40mm gun.
*30mm 4 gun AA turret.
*ZL-1 AL ZimoLand Assult Laser ( http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=41092 )

CIWS fitment point (above hangar aft of mast)
20MM Vulcan CIWS
30MM Gatekeeper CIWS

Aft fitment point (optional, achieved by lengthening fantail aft and below helipad:
*Depthcharge Rack, 20 charges
*twin 40mm guns.
*single 40mm gun.
*ZL-1 AL Zimoland Assult laser ( http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=41092 )

Torpedo points (optional, achieved by flaring beam up from waterline):
*Two (one each side) triple tube torpedo clusters.
*two (one each side) single tube torpedo tubes.

Radar and sonar to suit chosen hardware.

Our advice is 127MM gun or twin 4.5 inch.
4 cells harpoon & 8 cells ESSM (32 missiles).
20MM Vulcan CIWS.
Twin 40mm guns. (aft)
Two triple tube torpedo clusters.
ASW helicopter, SH-60 or SH-2 with dipping sonar and torpedo/depthcharge racks.

Do not use the central fitment as escorts are prone to encounter heavier seas than coastal defence ships.

Engines: either GOGAG twin LM1500 for long range but lower speed (27Knt or so and 14,000NM+), twin LM2500 for high speed but high consumption and lower range (34Knt or so and 7000MN), or CODAG with MAN diesel and LM2500 for extremely long range and low speed cruise and moderate to high speed sprints at high consumption rates (20Knt or so and 22,000NM+, 31Knt or so and 11,000NM+).

For long distance escorts we advise CODAG (Combined Operation Diesel And Gas turbine) with MAN diesel and LM25000 diesel gas turbine.

Hope this helps. feel free to ask if you need more details.

The Council of Tribes is currently having sessions on where to direct funding, and therefore is not able to direct funds toward this project at this time. We will consult with you, however, later.

First Elder Wasterin V'i
Council of Tribes

The President of Zimoland is currently wondering if you'd add our prototype weapon to the list of available weapons to be outfitted on your warships?

(http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=41092)

I believe it could be profitable for both of our nations. What do you say?

I would like to purchase 10 of your patrol ships
I would like a heavy arnaments and armour
Please let me know how much and specs

The President of Zimoland is currently wondering if you'd add our prototype weapon to the list of available weapons to be outfitted on your warships?

(http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=41092)

I believe it could be profitable for both of our nations. What do you say?

I agree, Have edited catalogue to include ZL-1 AL in the option list for the central midmount and aft mount.

please telegram with cost of laser so I can price as part of ship costs.

I would like to purchase 10 of your patrol ships
I would like a heavy arnaments and armour
Please let me know how much and specs

Please state type of armour required. we have 3 types currently available:

Water plate, first used before the advent of iron ships, water is pumped into hollow side walls before entering action, has the advantage of being able to be pumped out when not at action stations improving handling, speed and fuel consumption, 30 inches of water is equivalent to 11 inches of tempered steel and weighs about a third again as much. also effective against shaped charge explosive warheads as most of the heat is dissatapated boiling the water off, and as it is heat of a shaped charge melting the metal that forms the penetrative power of a High Explosive Anti Armour round not explosive force, HEAA and HEAT is negated.

Tempered steel, as used from the days of the first ironclads through to the second world war and after. The term is self explanitory, is always there, unlike water, however can be penetrated by HEAT and HEAA warheats with shaped charges.

Advanced Layered Plate. A development spurred by the success of Chobham armour, layers of tempered steel, titanium honeycomb, High temperature ceramics, and foamed aluminum embedded with Titanium and HTC balls. External hull is smooth tempered steel, with the inner side butting on the layered filling moulded into shallow pyrimids, and the filling layers repeating this corrugation untill the last inner steel layer which has a smooth inner hull. These corrugations are so even a perfectly square impact by a HEAT or HEAA round will have the shaped charge meet the inner layers at an angle. The titanium is a high temperature strong metal and weakens the shaped charge with the nessesity of buring through it, the High temperature ceramics are there to blunten the force of the shaped charge jet even further, and upon reaching the titanium and HTC balls in the foamed aluminium the jet will be deflected everywhere but through the last steel wall. This is the same basic method as chobham armour, and the materials are as effective against the convetional high speed solid round as ever.

Also do you wish heavy gun armament or heavy missile armament? since you want heavy armour not missile defences we presume your operaional stragety provides for closing to gun range and using guns, not standing off outside gun range and exchanging missiles.

Are you selling me the warships?

Ignore last
Please put a suitable arrangement of missiles and guns and defences + the best armour you have

Please let me know how long production will take.
Can i purchase building rights for another 30 mil

Battleship, Cruiser, Destroyer, or Frigate size?

BB's have 18 inch guns, 18+ inches layered plate armour, 64 cell VLS SM-1 SAMS 32 cells Harphoon, 4 helicopters or 2 VTOL harriers / YAK forgers, numerous 5 inch, 40mm and missile defences, and 4 CIWS's. and weigh 30,000 tons and manage 33Knts on nuke reacters.

Cruisers are either missile:
AEGIS with 64 cell VLS loaded with STANDARD SM-1 missiles, as main armament, secondary armament of 12 cell VLS loaded with Harpoon and 127mm gun two CIWS Vulcan cannons and two 3 tube torpedo clusters. this is an extremely effective Air suppression platform.
or Gun: 8 inch twin turrents or 12 inch single turrents, 32 cell VLS with 24 cells ESSM and 12 cells harpoon. some 5 inch, 40MM and SRM mounts. 2 CIWS's
both 8 to 10 inches tempered steel or layered plate

Destroyers are:
32 Cell VLS loaded with Harpoon as primary armament, secondary armament of 12 cell VLS loaded with ESSM (enhanced sea sparrow missile, the enhanced part is better manuverability and fold in fins that allows 4 per cell rather than the origional 1) @ 4 per cell (48 missiles), one 127mm gun, two CIWS Vulcan Cannons, and two 3 tube torpedo clusters, this is an effective Antisurface ship.
Or gun: two twin 6 inch turrents or two single 8 inch turrents secondary armament of 12 cell VLS system loaded with 4 cells harpoons and 8 cells ESSM @ 4 per cell (32 missiles), one CIWS 20mm Vulcan Cannon, two 3 tube topedo clusters
both 6 to 8 inches tempered steel plate or layered plate

Cost:
BB = 1,150,000,000.00 Calcs
Cr(gun) = 710,000,000.00 Calcs
Cr(misl) = 690,000,000.00 Calcs
Dd(gun) = 590,000,000.00 Calcs
Dd(misl) = 550,000,000.00 Calcs

plus 35,000,000.00 for upgrading tempered steel with advanced layered plate on the Crs and 30,000,000.00 for upgrading to ALP for the Dds

Yes expensive, but all that armour plate requires a lot of man hours to manufacture, place and weld, as well as being expensive in the first place, good steel isn't cheap. And with 8 inches rather than .25 as on modern ships, you get what you pay for.

OOC its about time for me to go to bed soon, won't be around much longer. The prices should be about right given what Janes defnce Quarterly says modern naval ships cost. and what the local iron factory sells pig iron per ton at. the calc is .93 of a USD.

Please let me know how long production will take.
Can i purchase building rights for another 30 mil

Battleships take 5 years from the laying of the keel, Crs take 3 and Dds take 2 years.

(OOC All gametime years. Iowa class RL ships took 6 I think. call it 5 RL days for BB to 2 RL days for Dd )

Certainly you may build them yourselves for further sale onwards, royalties of 5% of final selling price apply.

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All i want are patrol vessels with the best armour you have (meaning the 3rd type)+
an array of missile and gun emplacements. Also i would like
a missile defence system onboard.
You seem to know your ships, price is no object. So please just put together the ships i want. Then tell me how much it will cost and give me the specs.
Natural Bliss

P.S. Would you like to move to my region? I could use someone with your apparent expertise.

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Calacra Please let me know

Natural Bliss.
Pick any combination of the below:

Cruiser, AEGIS with 64 cell VLS loaded with STANDARD SM-1 missiles, as main armament, secondary armament of 12 cell VLS loaded with Harpoon and 127mm gun two CIWS Vulcan cannons and two 3 tube torpedo clusters. this is an extremely effective Air suppression platform.
32 Knt speed or 16000NM range with twin screw COGAG twin LM2500 and twin LM2500, for cruising at most economical long range speend, 16Knt with one pair LM2500s geared to one screw each for a range of 16000NM, and for faster speed, all four turbines going, two geared to each shaft. 32Knt for 6000NM. weight 4,900 tons
350,000,000.00 Calcs

Destroyer, with 32 Cell VLS loaded with Harpoon as primary armament, secondary armament of 12 cell VLS loaded with ESSM (enhanced sea sparrow missile, the enhanced part is better manuverability and fold in fins that allows 4 per cell rather than the origional 1) @ 4 per cell (48 missiles), 127mm gun, two CIWS Vulcan Cannons, and two 3 tube torpedo clusters, this is an effective Antisurface ship.
33 Knt speed or 17000NM range with twin screw COGAG twin LM2500 and twin LM2500, for cruising at most economical long range speend, 16Knt with one pair LM2500s geared to one screw each for a range of 17000NM, and for faster speed, all four turbines going, two geared to each shaft. 32Knt for 7000NM. weight 4,200 tons.
320,000,000.00 Calcs

both these ships come with a hangar bay large enough for 3 small/medium helicopters or 2 large helicopters.

Frigates, with IKARA ASW rocket system (rocket booster with a small antisub torpedo as warhead) as main armament, secondary armament of 12 cell VLS system loaded with 4 cells harpoons and 8 cells ESSM @ 4 per cell (32 missiles), 127mm gun, one CIWS 20mm Vulcan Cannon, two 3 tube topedo clusters. hangar space for 1 helicopter.
34 Knt speed or 14000NM range. CODAG with one MAN diesel and one LM2500 turbine. most economic crusing with MAN diesel, 16 Knt for 14000NM, LM2500 engaged for 34Knt and 6000NM range. weight 2,900 tons
195,000,000.00 Calcs

Frigates, with 32 call VLS with 32 SM-1 STANDARD SAMs, secondary armament of 12 cell VLS system loaded with 4 cells harpoons and 8 cells ESSM @ 4 per cell (32 missiles), 127mm gun, one CIWS 20mm Vulcan Cannon, two 3 tube topedo clusters. hangar space for 1 helicopter.
34 Knt speed or 14000NM range. CODAG with one MAN diesel and one LM2500 turbine. most economic crusing with MAN diesel, 16 Knt for 14000NM, LM2500 engaged for 34Knt and 6000NM range. weight 2,850 tons
210,000,000.00 Calcs


Large Patrol Boat, The smallest that can handle open water seaways. More a messenger packet or investigationary ship, armed with twin 40mm dual purpose antiair/antisurface gun mount, two single Exocet missile canisters, one 21 cell drum RIM-118 SRM (Short Range Missile as the ESSM is a marinised AIM-7 Sparrow missile with a new sensor package the SRM is a marinised AIM-9 Sidewinder with a new dual IR and Radar sensor) two songle torpedo tube. No helicopter, but a clear rear deck aft of the RIM-118 for winching up and down supplies. no crew quaters and only one watch aboard, alternate crew stay aboard the Replenishment ship until time to transfer over for their watch. weight 1,150 tons
105,000,000.00 Calcs

These ships are unarmoured and are not designed for closing and engaging with guns as primary tatics. However they all have Gas turbine and diesel engines, meaning they can surge from base to sea within minutes of alert being sounded.

Heavy Armour

Battleship, Cruiser, or Destroyer

BB's have 8 x 18 inch guns (two 3 gun turrents and one 2 gun turrent), 18+ inches layered plate armour, 64 cell VLS SM-1 SAMS 32 cells Harpoon, hangar space and helipad for 4 helicopters or 2 VTOL harriers / YAK forgers, numerous 5 inch, 40mm and RIM-118 SRM missile defences, and 4 CIWS's. and weigh 36,000 tons and manage 33Knts on nuclear reacters and steam turbine.

Cruisers are either missile:
AEGIS with 64 cell VLS loaded with STANDARD SM-1 missiles, as main armament, secondary armament of 12 cell VLS loaded with Harpoon and 127mm gun two CIWS Vulcan cannons and two 3 tube torpedo clusters. this is an extremely effective Air suppression platform.
or Gun: 3 x 8 inch twin turrents or 3 x 12 inch single turrents, 32 cell VLS with 24 cells ESSM and 12 cells harpoon. some 5 inch, 40MM and RIM-118 SRM mounts. 2 CIWS's
both 8 to 10 inches tempered steel or layered plate, weigh 20,000 tons gun and 18,000 tons missile. Top speed 31Knt from nuclear reacter and steam turbines.

Destroyers are either:
Missile: 32 Cell VLS loaded with Harpoon as primary armament, secondary armament of 12 cell VLS loaded with ESSM (enhanced sea sparrow missile, the enhanced part is better manuverability and fold in fins that allows 4 per cell rather than the origional 1) @ 4 per cell (48 missiles), one 127mm gun, two CIWS Vulcan Cannons, and two 3 tube torpedo clusters. two 21 cell RIM-118 SRM drums.This is an effective Antisurface ship.
Or gun: two twin 6 inch turrents or two single 8 inch turrents secondary armament of 12 cell VLS system loaded with 4 cells harpoons and 8 cells ESSM @ 4 per cell (32 missiles), one CIWS 20mm Vulcan Cannon, two 3 tube topedo clusters, two 21 cell RIM-118 SRM drums.
both 6 to 8 inches tempered steel plate or layered plate, Weigh 19,000 tons gun and 17,500 tons missile. Top speed 32Knt from nuclear reacter and steam turbines.

Both Gun and Missile heavy armoured Cr and Dds have hangar space and helicopter decks for 2 large helicopters

the heavy armoured ship require time from the alert being sounded til the reactors heat enough steam to get underway, approx 2 to 4 hours depending on make of reactor. but they can close to gun distance and engage with guns (gun) or survive being hit by opposing ships guns if they come too close (missile).

Cost:
BB = 1,150,000,000.00 Calcs
Cr(gun) = 710,000,000.00 Calcs
Cr(misl) = 690,000,000.00 Calcs
Dd(gun) = 590,000,000.00 Calcs
Dd(misl) = 550,000,000.00 Calcs

plus 35,000,000.00 for upgrading tempered steel with advanced layered plate on the Crs and 30,000,000.00 for upgrading to ALP for the Dds

Yes expensive, but all that armour plate requires a lot of man hours to manufacture, place and weld, as well as being expensive in the first place, good steel isn't cheap. And with 8 inches rather than .25 as on modern ships, you get what you pay for.

Nuclear reacters will have to be sourced from a nuclear industry country as Calarca does not have Uranium mining or nuclear technology.

Calacra Please let me know

OOC sorry was away from the forums playing web games like Delta force.

I would like all your warships
*money wierd*

I would like all your warships
*money wierd*
How many?
one of each?
10 of one?

how much Wired?

cost is:

Cruiser unarmoured = 350,000,000
Destroyer unarmoured = 320,000,000
Frigate ASW = 195,000,000
Frigate AA = 210,000,000
Patrol Boat = 105,000,000
Battleship = 1,150,000,000
Cruiser Armoured Missile = 690,000,000
Cruiser Armoured Gun = 710,000,000
Destroyer Armoured Missile = 550,000,000
Destroyer Armoured Gun = 590,000,000

Total for one of each = 4,870,000,000

OOC it's 1 am here now, I'll be back to precess orders in about 10 hours or so.

Bump, hey Natural Bliss, Buzz Family.. where are you now?

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I have been away for i while, i would like:

10 of your unarmoured Large Patrol Boats
$1,050,000 wired upon confirmation.

10 of your unarmoured Large Patrol Boats
$1,050,000 wired upon confirmation.

Order confirmed, manufacture has started and they will arrive shortly.

I'd like to purchase 300 Large patrol boats, with the armour separate.
(Thinking of converting them to trimaran type boats)

Is there anyway to make it AEGIS capable? Also like to know if you have maritime versions of AIM-132 or AIM-120 availible. Is it possible to fit a harpoon/penguin onto it?

Nuclear reactors: A while ago I started a research program to create a nuclear powered plane (I based it on B-36 in the 50s/60s). The programme managed to shrink the reactor to around 2/3s of it's normal size while producing the same power. However the risk of an airbourne meltown caused a political backlash and the programme was cancelled. ESAA would be willing to license this reactor to you for a reasonable sum.

The Large Patrol Boats come Unarmoured, they are made out of standard half inch MilSpec marine grade steel plate. this is also true for the first Cruiser and Destroyer types. Only those listed after the description of the Armour types are armoured.

Cost of 300 PBs is 31 billion 500 million. but as a bulk order we can give a 15% discount, cost will be 26 billion 775 million.

Exocets cells can be changed for Penguin tubes with no problems, indeed the exocet is somewhat larger than the penguin and 4 tube clusters of penguins can replace each of the Exocets, giving 8 Antiship missiles, if of noticably shorter range. Harpoons can also be exchanged for the exocets, however the harpoon is longer than the exocet, and rather than two tubes facing forward and canted outward slightly to clear the gun, the harpoon tubes will have to face abeam the ship, and will fill the ship from beam to beam, restricting acces to the front deak to forward hatches. 2 harpoons can be fitted.

As to AEGIS, the smallest AEGIS suite is the SPY-1D designed to fit on a frigate size ship, the Burke, Ticerandoa(?) and Spruance class ships use the SPY-1 A-through-C models. these models put out a max of 3 megawatts of radar energy, while the D puts out a max of 1.2MW. still to large and heavy for a patrol boat the D can be fitted to our 32 cell VLS frigate. However the German MAG radar can be fitted to our Patrol boat., this is an active phased array set with 900KW radiated energy. As being 1985 technology it is smaller and more value for weight than the early 1970's SPY-1 radar. One type of german cruiser has 3 MAG sets on slightly different complimentary frequencies, making jamming very hard and with 2.7MW, not much less than a SPY-1C set.
There isn't that much point tho, because the SPY-1 radars are designed for and with the SM-1 Standard missiles and the MAG radars were designed for and with the ESSM, and the while the patrol boats can carry the MAG radar, they are not large enough to carry missiles large enough to make the weight and bulk of the radar worthwhile, the RIM-118 is not radar guided, just terminal seeking. AEGIS is not just the radar, it is the radar being able to guide and control the SAMs that makes it such a feared weapon. All a AEGIS radar on a ship too small for a set of AEGIS missiles happens to be is a very well informed target.
However if you do convert them to trimaran by fitting two extended hulls and fit VLS systems holding either SM-1s or ESSMs then a MAG radar would be a worthwhile investment.

The AIM-132 Striker ASRAAM has not been marinised, nor has the AIM-120 Scorpion AMRAAM.

A reactor 2/3rds the size with the same power sounds good. havn't had any firm orders for the Armoured ships yet, but when I do, I'll remember these reactors.

The USD equvialent of the money has been wired. (How does your currency compare with the USD?)

at reasonable economy it was .93USD per Calc, but with a Very strong economy it should have gone up.

It should be on the Economies thread in the exchange rate index, but the guy who runs that hasn't refreshed it since before I joined NS.

I hope you are happy with the PBs

Just a quick note to myself so I don't forget whats sold to who.

Sold 5 ACrs and 5 ADds to ThirtyCaliber as per thread http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=43514

also retailed 148 of Ell's ESA aerospace 45 mil dollar MIG 1.42s to others for 55mil dollars, making a big profit cause they were too lazy to look around themselves. as per thread http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=43631

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Two destroyers and two frigates are required.

I'd also like to discuss options for a Cruiser type as well.

-Doctor Mark Bunker
Secretary of Defense
Republic of Adejaani

Two destroyers and two frigates are required.

I'd also like to discuss options for a Cruiser type as well.

-Doctor Mark Bunker
Secretary of Defense
Republic of Adejaani

Specifications?
Unarmoured modern destroyer or armoured Missile or armoured Gun?
GP, ASW, AS, or AA frigate?

different specifications can be drawn up at clients rewuests, for example the 127mm guns can be swapped for a twin 4.5inch/115mm gun or single 4.5 inch/115mm gun turrent. and 40mm mounts for RIM-118 SRM drums and vice versa.

DD: Multirole with VLS, at least one 5 inch DP

FF: ASW, anything fast, at least one large calibre DP gun (3 inch would do)

CG: Require flagship (flotilla) facilities, Multirole VLS.

All ships would need lighter guns (a la 25mm Bushmaster cannons) mounted en enchelon (namely midships).

-Doctor Mark Bunker
Secretary of Defense
Republic of Adejaani

Three of the 2,900-ton frigates, please.

My country has no currency as we allow our individuals to use whatever standard of value they wish, so some other means of payment will need to be worked out. PM me and we can talk over the details.

DD: Multirole with VLS, at least one 5 inch DP

Destroyer DD, with 64 Cell VLS loaded with 24 Harpoon, 24 SM-1 Standard SAM and 16 cells ESSM (64 missiles) as primary armament on foredeck, secondary armament of 2x 127mm guns one on foredeck forwards of VLS and one mounted between mast and funnel, funnel cut down and fitted with blower extractor to make up for shorter height so Gun can fire to rearwards. one 21 tube RIM-118 SRM drum, two CIWS Vulcan Cannons, and two 3 tube torpedo clusters, this is an effective Antisurface ship with strong anti air elements with a long range SAM (SM-1), a medium range SAM (ESSM) anda short range defensive SAM (SRM). 4 enclosed twin 25mm bushmaster chain gun mounts or enclosed single mounts 30mm Raden cannon stationed above the bridge and abeam/abaft the funnel with pintle mounted .50HMGs mounted along the rails for boarding actions.
33 Knt speed or 17000NM range with twin screw COGAG twin LM2500 and twin LM2500, for cruising at most economical long range speend, 16Knt with one pair LM2500s geared to one screw each for a range of 17000NM, and for faster speed, all four turbines going, two geared to each shaft. 32Knt for 7000NM. weight 4,800 tons.
325,500,000.00 Calcs each

FF: ASW, anything fast, at least one large calibre DP gun (3 inch would do)

Frigates, with IKARA ASW rocket system (rocket booster with a small antisub torpedo as warhead) as main armament, secondary armament of 12 cell VLS system loaded with 4 cells harpoons and 8 cells ESSM @ 4 per cell (32 missiles), 127mm gun, one CIWS 20mm Vulcan Cannon, two 3 tube topedo clusters, 3 enclosed Oto-Melara twin 25mm cannon mounts with Bushmaster chaingun, pintle mounted .50HMGs on deck railings.. hangar space for 1 helicopter. reccommend SH-6G with dipping sonar and racks for 2 ADCAP Mk 48 Torps as best ASW heli.
34 Knt speed or 14000NM range. Engines COGAG (combined action Gas and Gas) 2 x LM2500 Gas Turbines. Range 12,000NM @ 16Knt on one engine geared to both shafts, 7000NM @ 39Knt both engines geared one engine per shaft.
Crew 269 each weight 3,100tons
201,000,000.00 Calcs


CG: Require flagship (flotilla) facilities, Multirole VLS.

Cruiser, AEGIS with 64 cell VLS loaded with 32 STANDARD SM-1 missiles 12 Harpoons and 16 cells ESSM (64 missiles), as main armament, secondary armament 127mm gun, one 21 tube RIM-118 SRM drum, two CIWS Vulcan cannons and two 3 tube torpedo clusters. 4 single enclosed 30mm Rarden cannon or enclosed twin 25mm bushmaster chainguns, two mounted above bridge, two abaft the funnel, pintle mounted .50 HMGs mounted along the deck railings. This is an effective Air suppression platform with singificant antisurface capabilities.
The usual secondary 12 cell VLS system mounted aft of the mast and fore of the funnel is removed and replaced inside the ship with a command centre and admirals/flotilla comanders station with additional radar, radio on information stations, this connects to the ships own combat command centre directly forwards under the mast mountings which in its turn opens onto the bridge allowing quick communincation and access to the bridge.
32 Knt speed or 16000NM range with twin screw COGAG twin LM2500 and twin LM2500, for cruising at most economical long range speend, 16Knt with one pair LM2500s geared to one screw each for a range of 16000NM, and for faster speed, all four turbines going, two geared to each shaft. 32Knt for 6000NM. weight 6,100 tons
358,000,000.00 Calcs

All ships fitted with the NAUTIS naval communications and control systems allowing rapid and accurate transmission of information between ships and analysis of the information.

OOC, the RNZN leander class frigate Cantabury or southland had a NAUTIS system and in combined exercises with NZ Navy, Australian Navy, Singaporean Navy and Malasian Navy ships, was often placed in charge of flotillas made up of ships usually 20 to 30 years more modern beacuse she was the only ship able to process the amout of data in one place and issue coherant orders making best use of that data /OOC

OOC: That price is a bit steep..... :shock: Could you please tell me how to send you the money? :oops:

IC: Upon examining the specifications, the Republic of Adejaani wishes to purchase: 1 CG, 2 FF.

-Doctor Mark Bunker
Secretary of Defense
Republic of Adejaani

Sure, just say "Money Wired" or something similiar. and the seller with confirm and state when your goods will arrive, usually "in transit" for something small that can be stored in warehouses until an order recieved, or for a bigger thing like these ships they'll give a time. these ships will take 1 NS year to build, or 1 RL day so they'll arrive tomorrow RL time.

As to price, the RL Arliegh Burke class which my CRs are loosely based off are really closer to 1 billion USD or over.
and the British NAUTIS suite costs about 160 million alone. which is why the old leander friagte was the only ship out of 4 navies to have it, instead of getting a new ship, the NZ govt upgraded a 30yr old hull to capabilities to match new ships.

OOC back in 6 hours time to go work again

I would like 30Aegis Missile Cruisers with APL. *wires money*

OOC: Yessir, I know how much the Arleigh Burkes cost, I'm an Amateur Military Analyst, specialising in (US) Littoral Warfare. At last count, a Burke was 1.2 billion US.

For the money, do I actually send you anything, though?

IC: The money is being transferred. Total: 326.5 billion Calcs.

-Alan Raffles
Secretary of the Treasury
Republic of Adejaani

I would like 30Aegis Missile Cruisers with APL. *wires money*

ACr with ALP is 725 mil Calcs, times 30 is 21 billion and 750 million Calcs.
or twenty billion and two hundred twenty seven and a half million USD (20,227,500,000). it's a good thing you have a frightening economy. Thats expensive.

30 ships under construction. will arrive in batches of 10 each over 3 years.

Upon examining the specifications, the Republic of Adejaani wishes to purchase: 1 CG, 2 FF

Cost is Cr=358mil + FF, 201mil + FF, 201mil. total is 760 mil calcs not 326.5 billion. After exchange rate of 93 US cents per Calc, cost is 706 million USD.
Your three ships will arrive next year, (tomorrow)

OOC I'm used to English terms for ship designation, I take it CG means Cruiser Guided missile? I'm used to Cr (msle) for that desingation. CG to me means Carrier convoy Group escort. the little converted merchant ships used in WW2 to carry 20 seafires with the russian convoys.

OOC: Well I'm "US Navy speak". G type ships mean Guided Missile. CA means Cruiser. FF means Frigate. DD means Destroyer. Add a G (except Cruiser becoming "CG") and they become Guided Missile versions.

IC: Secretary of the Treasury Alan Raffles snarled. "Someone got the exchange rates wrong! Someone wire the money over NOW!"

Computer screens flashed as $706 million US was wired to Calarca.

-Alan Raffles
Secretary of the Treasury
Republic of Adejaani

The Calarcian shipbuilding Co Board of Directors notes the correct sum arriving and returns the 326.5 billion Clacs that had arrived earlier, if somewhat less than ethusiastically.

OOC ain't it amazing how Americans can mangle Queens english, lol. Whats a billion to you? Some countries call it 9 zeros behind a figure, others call it 12 zeros behind a figure. For me it's 9 zeros, a thousand million.

IC, with the time since the placeing of the order the ships are now almost half done.

Three of the 2,900-ton frigates, please.

My country has no currency as we allow our individuals to use whatever standard of value they wish, so some other means of payment will need to be worked out. PM me and we can talk over the details.

3 IKARA ASW friates sold for barter.

OOC: My billion is also a thousand million (eg 1 billion is 1,000,000). It's all metric! *L*

IC: The Republic of Adejaani wishes to convey its thanks for the acquisition of the new vessels from Calarca. Cruiser CG-1 has been named "Astoria" with the two Frigates, FF-1 and 2 being named "Odyssey" and "Ajax".

However, based on a new Defense requirement study, a Multirole Destroyer type, based on specifications already listed, will be required. Money shall be transferred pending a price.

"Yeah, we need a price because we have a Secretary of the Treasury who's brilliant at balancing budgets but can't even count!"

-Doctor Charles Bunker
Secretary of Defense
Republid of Adejaani

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DD: Multirole with VLS, at least one 5 inch DP


Destroyer DD, with 64 Cell VLS loaded with 24 Harpoon, 24 SM-1 Standard SAM and 16 cells ESSM (64 missiles) as primary armament on foredeck, secondary armament of 3x 127mm guns two in a twin gun mount on foredeck forwards of VLS and one mounted between mast and funnel, funnel cut down and fitted with blower extractor to make up for shorter height so Gun can fire to rearwards. one 21 tube RIM-118 SRM drum, two CIWS Vulcan Cannons, and two 3 tube torpedo clusters, this is an effective Antisurface ship with strong anti air elements with a long range SAM (SM-1), a medium range SAM (ESSM) and a short range defensive SAM (SRM). It also has significant Antisubmrine capabilities when SH-2G dippign sonar ASW helicopters are carried to augument the standard towed sonar and acvive hull dome sonar, the ASW helos also have mountings for light torpedos and mines to augument the torpedo tubes carried aboard. 4 enclosed twin 25mm bushmaster chain gun mounts or enclosed single mounts 30mm Raden cannon stationed above the bridge and abeam/abaft the funnel with pintle mounted .50HMGs mounted along the rails for boarding actions.
33 Knt speed or 17000NM range with twin screw COGAG twin LM2500 and twin LM2500, for cruising at most economical long range speend, 16Knt with one pair LM2500s geared to one screw each for a range of 17000NM, and for faster speed, all four turbines going, two geared to each shaft. 32Knt for 7000NM. weight 4,900 tons.
325,500,000.00 Calcs each or 302,715,000.00 USD

With a years more research and strength/stability testing Calarca can now offer a twin front 5 inch gun mount rather than the origional single mount, bringing the numbers up to 3 x 5" guns. and for no increase in price.
I believe this is what you were refering to.

OOC: If this arrived a bit late after your post, I've been away for 2 days, SCUBA diving .
sorry for not posting an away warning.

OOC: It's okay. Did you have fun?

IC: "Money is being wired now. 302 million, 715 thousand US Dollars. If we need more ships, we'll come to you, Calarca. Thank you for your generous additions to our national defense."

-President Morghan J. Harrington
Republic of Adejaani

The Armed Republic of Veracruz is keenly interested in at least one cruiser and 3 frigates. Once we have the cadres to man them, rest assured we will purchase them.
Thanks in advance,

"Admiral" Ernesto Herzog de Silva
(future) Secretary of the Navy
Armed Republic of Veracruz

Veracruz, Calarca is most pleased to hear of your intentions of purchasing our ships in the future, As a sign of our apprecation we are sending you the prototype of our next project, This boat has passed all our tests and requirements with great panache and is now surplus to the Companies requirements, We hope you can put it to suitable use.


Fast Patrol boat (gun),
Armed with:
1 x Twin 40mm Dual AntiAir/AntiSurface mount
2 x 20mm guns
2 x .50 HMG
Radar
Engine Twin diesels. Hamilton Jet propulsion on Hydrofoils
Range 1000NM @ 48Knt planning
Crew 21 each
Inshore and interception force ships, little more than overpowered high speed coastguard cutters, are however effective for enforcing blockades as a force multiplyer, 4 or 5 of these can career around an area and call back to base for support.


OOC: the best way to hook a new customer is a free sample, lol.
And, Yes Adejaani, I did enjoy the Dive trip, finished my Navigation section of the course. Now an offical Advanced Open Water diver.

The nation would be most grateful for your gift.

A small boat scuds into harbour perched on the insect like legs of it's hydrofoils. An order is passed and the Calrcian SHipbuilding company falg is lowered and the Veracruz National ensign is hoisted in its place as it slows down and lowers into the water. Once tied to the dockside the crew march down the gangway and salute the wiating Veracruz crew whom will be manning the boat in future.

After a few speaches and handshaking ceromonies the Veracruzians march up the gangway as the nationial anthem plays.

Calarca, do you have any technologies for making an aircraft carrier? Even a small decked vessel for V/STOL aircraft would do, though larger ones for fixed wing aircraft are desired.

-Doctor Charles Bunker
Secretary of Defense
Republic of Adejaani

Adejaani

We can flat deck the Cruiser hull and mount a side superstucture, converting it to a Carrier, with 2 catapults and arrester wires it can be either STOL fixed wing with A-4, F-21, Superhornet or other short runway planes, or V/STOL fixed wing such as the FRS.5 Sea Harrier. these would be able to carry about 25 small or 20 large fighters.

We can also Flatdeck a BB hull minus the Armour this will provide a larger deck area and under deck storage space. Allowing the full size E-2 and C-2 Greyhound cargo/AWACS planes and F-14 and larger fighters and fighterbombers to be carried. This could carry about 70 to 80 fighters and 6 E/C-2s without the greyhounds they could carry 90 fighters, (about the same as the largest USA carriers, they carry up to 74 mixed F-14s, F/A-18s, A-6s, and about 4 C-2 and E-2 Greyhounds or 89 fighters and bombers without the -2s.)

We hope this will be helpful.

Lord Rayliegh
Naval Marshall
Alcona and Hubris

We would like to purchase two of your multi-role deystroyers, with the 5" guns also we would like to purchase production rights If we have read posts carfully this is 698,197,500 USD.

Calarca: SOLD! Due to the upgrading of the Republic of Adejaani economy to "Powerhouse", there is now a significantly large military spending. Unfortunately, the Military Industrial structure is unable to build new equipment, so we're forced to resort to building spares only, but we're seeking production rights and willing to pay big dollars for it!

For the moment, though:

2x BB type Aircraft Carrier
2x Cruiser type Aircraft Carrier
2x Multirole Cruiser (of type bought earlier)
3x Multirole Destroyer (of type bought earlier)
8x Multirole Frigate (of type bought earlier)
24x Patrol Boats (of a configuration for policing/patrols)

In addition, "just the units" for:

300x 144 cell VLS tube sets
600x NATO standard 8 cell Sea Sparrow Launcher
600x RIM-66 Rolling Airframe Missile Launcher
1,000,000x SM-2 Standard Missile 2
500,000x Tomahawk Cruise Missiles
1,000,000x RIM-7 Sea Sparrow
1,000,000x RIM-66 Rolling Airframe Missile reloads

The Republic of Adejaani is building a massive air defense network composed of "layers" of those, based within the Republic itself. As such, while they will be the same units, they will be emplaced on land, so they need to be modified a bit.

As noted, the production rights of all these items are preferable and money can and will be forthcoming! Please calculate the cost and the money will be cheerfully sent!

-President Morghan J. Harrington
Republic of Adejaani

Calarca, yoohoo! *L* Respond please!

Unfortunately, Calarca, the Republic of Adejaani needed these ships pretty darn quick and we have had to turn to another provider..... I am sorry I could not do more business with you, perhaps in the future.

All unfulfilled orders rescinded.

-President Morghan J. Harrington
Republic of Adejaani

Lord Rayliegh
Naval Marshall
Alcona and Hubris

We would like to purchase two of your multi-role deystroyers, with the 5" guns also we would like to purchase production rights If we have read posts carfully this is 698,197,500 USD.

Order confirmed. ships are building will arrive in 1 NS year, (tomorrow). Production rights are 5,000,000 USD for the paperwork and to pay for undertaking a survey of your shipbuilders facilities and standards of construction. if they pass as good enough standard, then the cost is a 8,000,000 USD royalty for every unarmoured ship built and 9,000,000 for every armoured ship built.

OOC: Sorry to hear that I lost the contract Adejaani, been away from home for the past few days and not in range of any computer with a Internet connection.

a Note to future purchasers, over the next few days until the 10th, I many be several days between logins to nationstates while I do the practical feild trip portions of my SCUBA course. so don't be too surpirsed if it takes a few days to respond, theres no computers 15 metres underwater! :( after that it should be back to normal when I get back to town.

Money has been transered for ships...
And for inspection....however we would like to know any failings you may find in Either the Morris and Hanrraty Shipbuilders, They have been working on some refits recently, or the Wittlebach Naval Yards that have been rebuilt recently.

OOC: please t-gram us about your reply...this thread gets buried fast with you gone...thanks

Oh, very well, Calarca. Blue Ocean deployments for my fleet won't begin for a while. I will take six (6) Underway Replenishment ships..... But it must meet certain criteria:

1: Able to hold enough foodstuffs, fuel, ammunition and "other" supplies to sustain a full Battlegroup (usually one carrier and four or five escorts) for two weeks before itself needing to replenish its stocks
2: Must be able to maintain 30 knots (25 knots is considered "acceptable") to keep up with the Battlegroup
3: Must have a "flight deck", for slinging of cargo onto helicopters, large enough to handle TWO V-22 Osprey aircraft at the same time. The two Ospreys are considered to be "part" of the ship, thus needing its own repair, refuelling facilities aboard the Replenishment ships. [OOC: I did my own thoughts, each V-22, minus refuelling probe, is 17.47m (57ft 4 in) long. You can put them end to end on this mini flight deck, though you can wheel stuff inside, or hook them to the underside of the V-22 because it has external rings for hooking pallets onto]

Apart from those criteria, you are free to design the ships in any way you please. I am sorry to have distressed you.

-President Morghan J. Harrington
Republic of Adejaani

1: Able to hold enough foodstuffs, fuel, ammunition and "other" supplies to sustain a full Battlegroup (usually one carrier and four or five escorts) for two weeks before itself needing to replenish its stocks
2: Must be able to maintain 30 knots (25 knots is considered "acceptable") to keep up with the Battlegroup
3: Must have a "flight deck", for slinging of cargo onto helicopters, large enough to handle TWO V-22 Osprey aircraft at the same time. The two Ospreys are considered to be "part" of the ship, thus needing its own repair, refuelling facilities aboard the Replenishment ships.

We can build a 136M LOA, 13,000 ton ship to milspec standards reaching 31 Knts for 12,000NM on two Oil burning boilers and geared steam turbines at 38,000 SHP each. This will be a modification of a 18 tank High speed fleet oiler. This design can carry 7000 Tons of stores belowdecks, a further 1400 tons of deck cargo for of the lifts and aft of the bow defence installations. The stores will be carried below decks and liftred to the fore/mid deck by modified flight lifts developed for the cancelled Cruiser-based Carrier, the fight deck will be to the fore and aft of the aft superstructure with a fore and aft opening hangar, a different design from the standard aft opening/rear deck only designs. The hangar will be 40 Meters long, stretching the entire length of the super structure and centred at 2/3rds the width, allowing two V-22s and 2 SH-60/SH-2 helicopters to be carried, and to be deployed to the rear deck or fore deck simultaniously. Crew quarters will be on the storey above the Hangar, which will also contain the bridge forwards.
Defence will be provided by two RIM-118 21 cell drums in the bows and two phalanx cannons carried on the superstructure.
Replenishment will be by USA style RAS to port or starboard, British Jackstay to port and (OOC obsolete WW2) Sheerlegs to starboard, and a drogue to the rear.
Crew will number 64.
Cost 301,000,000.00


Or, our standard replenishment ship, only a rear deck and space for a single V22 or two medium helos. Aslo somewhat slower.
12000 tons, 28 Knts from steam boiler, can replenish via RAS link to port and starboard, or Sheerlegs to port and drogue tow to rear. (RAS is refueling via hoses winched or hauled over and solid goods slid over on wire ropes and pulleys. Sheerleg refueling is by swaying out padded buttresses between the ships and lashing both ships together, stern drogue is refueling only, the end of the fuel hose is screwed onto a float, and dragged after the boat, the ship to be refueled pulls it out of the water and unfastedning the float, attaches it to the fueling point.)
265,000,000.00 Calcs

Both ships capable of manufacturing parts (within reason) in an internal workshop utilising material blanks.


OOC: I believe these are what you are looking for. Sheerlegs is how things were done in WW2, just tie up alongside and form a chain of sailors passing thisngs hand to hand from storeroom to storeroom.

Due to my economy rating having dropped two levels in the past four days :shock: I can only purchase four of my "custom" Replenishment ships for the moment. I'm sorry I can't buy more, if my economy goes back up a bit, I'll buy some Amphibious Assault ships, but for now, consolidation is the key. Thanks for the ships, sir.

903 million wired

Ships under construction, will arrive in one year, (tomorrow RL).

We will start working on plans for Amphibious assult ships in various sizes.

There is a lot of loud BUMPing emerging from the design shed as a small scale model is dropped into a water test race that happens to be empty.
A loud series of BUMPs sound as the poor fluncky that forgot to fill the tank is kicked around the design area.

BUMP

bump

Bumpity again

Would you have a trimaran version of the 'Ticonderago' cruiser? I would like to purchase 20 of them.

The Clairmont Protectorate's naval forces are beginning to form up for we are a new nation and regognize the need of proper naval forces. However our economy does not allow us to support a massive fleet just yet so our needs remain at destroyer level. We would need 12 destroyer class vessels preferrably suited for long range missile engagement with anti-submarine duty handled by helicopters. So we request suggestions of loadout for such vessels.

Clairemont. We advise the DD Multirole vessel. These have sepcifications as follow:

Destroyer DD, with 64 Cell VLS loaded with 24 Harpoon, 24 SM-1 Standard SAM and 16 cells ESSM (64 missiles) as primary armament on foredeck, secondary armament of 2x 127mm guns one on foredeck forwards of VLS and one mounted between mast and funnel, funnel cut down and fitted with blower extractor to make up for shorter height so Gun can fire to rearwards. one 21 tube RIM-118 SRM drum, two CIWS Vulcan Cannons, and two 3 tube torpedo clusters, this is an effective Antisurface ship with strong anti air elements with a long range SAM (SM-1), a medium range SAM (ESSM) anda short range defensive SAM (SRM). 4 enclosed twin 25mm bushmaster chain gun mounts or enclosed single mounts 30mm Raden cannon stationed above the bridge and abeam/abaft the funnel with pintle mounted .50HMGs mounted along the rails for boarding actions.
33 Knt speed or 17000NM range with twin screw COGAG twin LM2500 and twin LM2500, for cruising at most economical long range speend, 16Knt with one pair LM2500s geared to one screw each for a range of 17000NM, and for faster speed, all four turbines going, two geared to each shaft. 32Knt for 7000NM. weight 4,800 tons.
325,500,000.00 Calcs each

The SM-1 STANDARD Surface to Air Missile comes in several forms, and is the basis of the Theater Defence Missile ABM system, in one of it's forms it is the longest ranged naval SAM deployed worldwide.
The Harpoon is a good medium range Surface to Surface missile designed for antiship use. A common and well regarded missile deployed in may western navies.
The ESSM is a modified RIM-7 Seasparrow missile with now has folding retractable fins fitting into a longer body, allowing 4 to be carried in a single VLS cell where the Seaparrow can only fit one per cell due to fixed fins.
The RIM-118 SRM Short Range Missile is a close defence missile with a movable drum launcher allowing the missile to be pointed at the incoming threat before launch, speeding reaction time since the missile needs no radical in-course change to find and engage the target as a Vertical launch missle does. This is also known in some quarters as the RAM or Rolling Airframe Missile.
The CIWS are rotating Gatling 20mm guns with their own radar which are very effective point defence systems.

The foredeck 127mm gun can be altered to a twin 127mm mount or a twin 155mm mount, which has the advantage of commonality with land artillery guns. The rear firing 127 can be changed for a 12 Cell VLS loaded with Harpoon, ESSM or SM-1, or a mix of each.

These ships have hangar space for 2 large LAMPS III helicopters for ASW duties.

Ell, We don't make trimarans yet, theres another nation patented the USN modern trimaran concept, but we can bolt a pair of missile frigates at the end of some outrigger wings to one of our cruisers.

Calarca is currently working with Vrak and Alcona & Hubris to develop Supergun armed Battleship Trimarans to mount a 400Km ranged gun on a stable platform. have a look ath the M.E.R.G thread.

The loadout sounds solid. And our military analysts agree that this loadout would be of the best use at the current state of our naval forces. We take twelve of these vessels and what would be the price be if you could deliver them within a reasonable time period?

We can manufacture up to 15 ships simultaniously, and our shipyards are currently empty due to currently paying more attention to developing weapons than buliding ships just now, we can deliver in 1 NS year. Ships are starting build now, cost will be Calcs 325,500,000.00, or USD 302,715,000.00 each.

12 x 302,715,000.00 = 3,623,580,000.00

Ships will be ready in one year, (tomorrow RL)

do you wish the single 127mm, twin 127mm, or twin 155mm guns. there is a further cost of 1 mil USD for the fitting of a twin turrent gun mount, but there is no cost difference between the 127 and 155.

Bump, Clairemont, you want em?

Bump

Sorry, new stuff comes in here so fast that this thread had dropped many pages back and i hadnt noticed them.

Yes, well take them. If the following payment option would be suitable for you: We pay half now and half on delivery. If these terms are ok then we will wire the first half today.
We request that you deliver the ships to a location 100 kilometers north east from our naval base Hephaestus at our eastern coast. We will transmit the more accurate coordinates for you when we have an arrangement. From there the sub-fighter carrier CNS Angelus will escort the ships back to the navy base.

Ships have been built while waiting for reply, sailing now. will reach you by the time you read this post.

Thank you for your purchase. As your delivery detils suggest there may be trouble, we are sending a complete large escort group of Calarcian navy ships to ensure they reach your carrier.

Hmmm, any suggestions for a Mercenary company deployment vessel? I want anti-air and some ability to keep away small patrol boats but also have the ability to send in either small teams a light armored group.

There are a number of different ships available. You say small teams or light armoured group? We can provide the following which would fit nicely:

Landing Ship Tank, Mk 3,
345.10 feet LOA, beam 55.3, draft (aft) 13 feet.
2140 ton empty, 3117 fully loaded.
10,000NM at 14 knots, max of 18 knots.
LM1500 Gas turbines. Twin screw.
1x twin 75mm (3inch) gun mount on foredeck, can be used to shell beach on landings. 1x 40mm on afterdeck. 3x 20mm, one on bridge roof, one each port and starboard just aft of 75mm turrent. 2x 9 tube SRM drums. aft of funnel.

Can carry 168 troops, 18x 40 ton tanks 7 LCMs and 27 trucks. By carrying tanks and trucks armed with TOW or other weapons on deck, during transport the ship can enhance defensive powers.

These ships also carry two LARC V amphibious trucks on deck with derricks to lower them to the water. these can carry 20 troops or 4.5 tons of supplies.
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For a larger ship we can supply a Landing Ship Heavy:

OOC:
Details to follow as I get the pic scanned and edited.

For a brief idea look up the RAN HMAS Tobruk and change engines to LM2500 gas turbines and a few more weapons

I'll just post my shopping list here and you can give me a quote. My navy is undergoing massive restructuring:

30 Ticonderago Class Cruisers
50 Arleigh Burke destroyers
10 Virginia Submarines

I'll just post my shopping list here and you can give me a quote. My navy is undergoing massive restructuring:

30 Ticonderago Class Cruisers
50 Arleigh Burke destroyers
10 Virginia Submarines

We don't build those ships, prefering our own designs (see first post in this thread), but we can build to order if you provide plans.

Ticonderoga class, about $700,000,000.oo USD, Arleigh class, about $550,000,000.00 USD, and NSSN about $1,400,000,000.oo USD.



OOC: can't find just how many missiles the ships carry, most sources say 2x Mark 41, 8 cell VLS, with up to 120 mixed missiles, but only 8 harpoons in a separate quad launcher. this requires the VLS to be reloadable, which to my best knowledge they arent due to lack of room below them. which is why my ships have up to 76 (64 + 12) non-reloadable VLS cells. They need a resupply ship with derrick to lift new cells in and out from abovedecks.

Done. The plans are being wired to you as we speak. Ell has the money, but not the facilities to mass-produce ships cost-effectively. The neccessary costs will be wired after confirmation.

We recently upgraded our shipyards to make a total of 30 ships a year rather than 15 as before, as such we can deliver your ships in batches of 15 Burke class, 10 Ticonderoga class and 5 Virginia class ships for the first two years and 20 Burke and 10 Ticonderoga ships in the final 3rd year.

total cost $62,500,000,000.oo or $62.5 billion. As a bulk order this is eligiable to a 7.5% discount. revised total is now $57,812,500,000.oo

Thankyou for choosing Calarcian Shipbuilding for your naval needs.

The money has been transferred to your account via Ell's credit facility. Pleasure doing business.

OOC: Been about 23 hours, close enough to a RL day/NS year for me.

IC: The first 30 ships have been completed, fitted out and launched, they are currently steaming enroute to your nation now, the second group of 30 ships are being laid down.

How much for the tansports?

For the LST, Mk 3. 119,000,000.oo Calcs or $110,670,000.oo USD

For the larger Tobruk(ish) class (OOC: which I havn't had much time with Uni study to scan and edit), somewhere around 200,000,000 USD.

Purchase of ten of the small units at the moment, that is 1.11 billion USD (I just rounded up, a bonus for helping me out.) I am still intrested in larger vessels but I need to be less dependent on others for transport.

*much scratching of head and staring at scedules and times.*

Calarcian shipbuilding can build 30 ships a year in the existing yards, 2 and a bit NS years ago Ell placed an order for 90 ships of 3 mixed classes, construction of the last 30 is currently a bit more than half way finished. as soon as these clear our slipways we will lay down and begin your transports.
These will arrive in one year after this.

(RL terms will arrive in 1.5 days or about early morning friday? depending on your timezone.)

Thank you for ordering from Calarcian Shipbuilding.

OOC: I should be able to post up the details and scans of the modified Tobruks tomorrow. Wasp class to If i can find a good line drawing online.

Calarca ow manufactures a Tansport ship Medium. Enlarged Modified Tobruk Class.

4100 ton empty, 5800 ton full load. 475Ft LOA, Beam 65ft, Draft 19ft aft 13 ft forward
Twin screw LM2500 gas turbine 30,000SHp. max speed 25 Knt, cruise speed 19 Knt. Max range at cruise 14000 Nm

Can carry 420 comfortably men for long periods, or 700 men in overload conditions for short periods.
RO-RO ship with topside deck accessable from wharfs. Bow doors and ramp for shore landings on deep beaches with steep dropoffs. Carries 4 LARC V Amphibous trucks, Rear doors and ramp for at sea transfers of eqiupment and men to shallower draft ships such as the LST Mk3 in earlier post or for deployment of medium hover landingcraft. can carry 24 x 60 ton tanks on lower deck and 30 trucks, 8 x 40 ton tanks and 12 trucks on upper, with lift access similiar to a carriers. Hangar rear deck, room for 2 large airlift helicopters.

Defensive weapons of 2 twin 75mm (3 inch) mounts on forecastle deck, 2 x Phalanx CIWS 20mm abaft the funnel on hangar roof level, and 2 x RIM-118 SRM abaft the funnel on hangar deck level.


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Landing Craft Dock. Marine amphibious assult ship.

Power plant: Twin LM2500 Gas Turbines, 60,000SHp
Length: 684 feet (208.5 meters)
Beam: 105 feet (31.9 meters)
Displacement: Approximately 24,900 tons (25,300 metric tons) full load
Speed: in excess of 22 knots (24.2 mph, 38.7 kph)
Aircraft: Launch or land up to four CH-46 Sea Knight helicopters; or up to two MV-22 Osprey tilt rotor aircraft simultaneously with room to spot four MV-22s on deck and one in the hangar.
Armament: Two Bushmaster II 30 mm Close in Guns, fore and aft; two 21 tube RIM-118 SRM drums, fore and aft. 2 Phalanx CIWS 20mm guns fore and aft.

Carries 900 Men in comfort. Armoured Equipment and supplies for those men, comes with Landingcraft Hover x 2 or Landing craft medium x 1 in internal flooding docking bay.

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Hmm, Well I'm intrested in both styles of transports...
Although does the second one carry light armor?
how much for each unit and if I were to buy the plans what is the royalty cost? And while I think of it...I owe you 18 mill in royalties for two deystroyers I had started on three months ago.
***Transfers money****
Oh, and the hover craft landing craft how much on an individual basis?

The Modified Tobruks will be 189,500,000.oo USD, and the larger Landing Ship Docks will be 290,000,000.oo USD. The LSD can be armoured through as a standard design it is unarmoured, the smaller ships as being designed to beach under hostile shore fire have armour to stop light tank weapons up to 90mm, and are armed with twin 75mm (3 inch) mounts to suppress shore positions one on LSTs two on Tobruks. Heavy tanks with larger weapons are supposed to have been taken out by naval aircraft in the CAS or Close Air Support roles. The LSDs are designed to stand off out of range of direct fire weapons, and under the protection/escort of guided missile AA ships such as the Cruiser or AA frigate and only have point defense antimissile weapons (Phalanx, SRM and DP 30mm cannon) and no armour. We can fit Kevlar matting armour on the inner hull surfaces, or make the hull out of armoured plate, this will increase weight and decrease speed however.

Landingcraft, Hover, medium carries 6 trucks (tight fit), 2 light tanks (40 ton), one large tank (60 ton), or 80 men, or a mix such as 2 trucks, one light tank and 20 men etc. For a total weight of 120 tons. Armed with 2 x single 40mm bofors rapid fire cannon to the fore flanking the ramp for suppression of enemy shore positions or air defenses, can be swappeed for twin 30mm bushmaster or single 20mm gatling mounts. Max range 400 Nm at 42 Knt. One can be carried in the dock. cost 8 million USD one comes standard with the LSD as ppart of the purchase price.

Landingcraft, Hover, small. can carry one light tank, three trucks, or 50 men for a loaded weight of 50 tons. three can be carried in the dock, or driven up onto the tank/truck carriage deck in place of trucks/tanks, can also fit into the Modified Tobrucks in place of wheeled cargo. Armed with two single 20mm cannons on bridge roof. Max range 300Nm at 42 Nm. cost 5 million USD

Same royalty arrangement as for making other Calarcian ships if you wish to produce them yourself.

After further discussion amongst the design teams we have determined that to help ensure enemy boats give these ships a wide berth the rear 30mm Bushmaster cannon of the LSD can be removed and a quad launcher for Penguin AS missiles and a magazine and autoloader holding 12 more missiles can be fitted. The LST Mk3 can have the 40mm rear gun replaced with a two missile Penguin launcher and 4 more missiles, and the Tobrucks can have one of the twin 75mm mounts replaced with a quad launcher and 12 reloads.

In the case of the Tobruck class we think the 75mm has more utility, but the Penguins will enhance the other two ships.

If desired we can retrofit the prvious order of 10 LST Mk3s with the penguin AS missile mounts.

Bump

I'll tell you my order later, but thanks for the info...(I don't have acess to the economic files at the moment)

can i buy 30 of each of the ships and 5 of each of the automobiles :?:

can i buy 30 of each of the ships and 5 of each of the automobiles :?:
Your what a few 'hours' old, you don't have some 35 billion+ to spend, let alone man those ships. (sorry to Calarca for hijacking but better I get to him before someone goes squash)

Oh, purchase confirmed for earlier, money wired.

QM the purchase being the 10 LST Mk3s?

They're already made, laid down upon recipt of the order. expect them to arrive off your coast with an escort of RCN naval vessels in a few days (RL a few minutes). (Which coast would you like them as? QM or A&H? you're Alts right.)

Scottland: a july 27th nation is about big enough to buy 2 or 3 patrol boats (missile), not a hope of such a new nation being able to afford a destroyer, not unless someone donated you a shitload of money, in which case give a link to the thread where they did so. Have a look in nationstates, the stickied new to nationstates one. on it theres a link to economies, and in there is an economy calculator. it works out automatically your economy rating, your tax rate, and your military spending.
Go here. http://www.esyn.org/SOTA/NationStates.html

Enter your nation name in the box, then click on the relevant button.

Scottland USA Gross Domestic Product
Population: 5,000,000
Civil Rights: Some
Economy: Reasonable
GDP per Capita: $7,500
GDP: $37,500,000,000
National Budget: $5,826,825,000

Percentage of GDP Spent on Defense: 2.33%
Percentage of Budget Spent on Defense: 15%
Military Budget: $874,023,750

Enough for:
28 F-15Es, or...
43 Su-34s, or...
46 F-16s, or...
79 MiG 29s, or...
203 M1A2 Abrams, or...
291 T-90s, or...
1,491,508 M-16s, or...
2,913,412 AK47s

comes up for defence spending II, I'd stick with the Defence II button, some of the others are a bit buggy.


QM, 35 Billion would just get 30 of the BBs, they're about a billion each. He'd need lots more than that.

Huh?
We are Allies NS and in RL work together (He's hijacked me on occasion due to my use of his office computer in recent weeks.* :? )

So send them to me, QMC.

Although, I'm going on vacation, so he'll be dealing with anything important that needs seeing to for me.

*Due to the fact that they kicked off the 95's off the network, but he's pulled some strings over at network services, so mine will be back on. :)

Please don't tell me we write the same. I'm becoming an Engineer!!!

sorry, lol, over in the M.E.R.G. thread he and you seem to switch names a few times, something about the computers.

Ships should be off the QM coast now.

OOC: Yeah, He hijacked my nation by mistake. I gave him hell for it and then 'bang' did it myself. :? Occasionally, you'll log in on the main site and get switched back by the computer, well his XP did it at least.

Doesn't he uses some damn French system of posting.

I am....therefore....kill me....I've become....an engineer....with way to....much time....on my hands.

I don't know, the boy is an engineer with a copy of the sistine chapel cealing hanging over his computer, and a statue of some goddess next to a demo unit of a fuel pump? :roll:

Thanks for the ships. :)

I don't know, the boy is an engineer with a copy of the sistine chapel cealing hanging over his computer, and a statue of some goddess next to a demo unit of a fuel pump? :roll:


Whats that make you then that you haveta note it? A girl?

:P

damn, no MSN style "kissy kissy" smiley, lol

Me? I'm just a student, lol. must be nice to have a job and not have to survive on an inadaquate govt student grant. :evil:

Get a life man, all those models and exact specs you drew up are a waste of time. GET A LIFE!@

Get a life man, all those models and exact specs you drew up are a waste of time. GET A LIFE!@Models and exact specs? lol All I did was scan and edit a few pics form big fat books on naval stuff, and played around with them to make my own customised ships, actually quite fun.

I do have a life tho. I've been good enough to get into the NATIONAL level competitions for my sport, Fencing, and came back with 3rd and 4th too. I've done Kendo too.
I'm also almost finished with a professional PADI SCUBA Divemaster qualification, and hunt possums, goats and rabbits reguarly and have a 4x4 which sees a lot of use. Have spent 5 years in the Cadet Corps while at high school (About the same as the ROTC but with more emphasis on actually getting out into the field with the military), And am at University. Thats enough life for me.

Not bad for someone who was confined to a wheelchair for a while and is profoundly deaf.

What have you done with your life so far? as much as me? bet not.

I don't know, the boy is an engineer with a copy of the sistine chapel cealing hanging over his computer, and a statue of some goddess next to a demo unit of a fuel pump? :roll:


Whats that make you then that you haveta note it? A girl?

:P

damn, no MSN style "kissy kissy" smiley, lol

Me? I'm just a student, lol. must be nice to have a job and not have to survive on an inadaquate govt student grant. :evil:

Huh...on post above...you seems a lot older at times...with a hell of a background in military terms...(hell I was in a conversation with a U.S. army Third Division Officer (captain I believe he was in his civies at the time, and he knew less than you!)

Second, Quincy is a male...everyone calls me boy around here(it's a southern thing)...it's also a running joke since I'm the oldest grad in the department. And my job is a stipend! (they make us work...and I've already spent 40 grand to get my first degree...weee!)

Also, if Calarca wants to design more realistic military equipment than some people, well go to the very, very hot place...his choice!
Fencing, hmmm...I only got a bit of acting fencing back in highschool.

lol, a captain doesn't know as much as me? I'm 22 and read a lot as well as talking to a lot of military chaps, My minister at church was a retired 1st Battalion Chaplin who served in Korea with K-force. I got on well with a retired Chief Petty Officer from the RNZN, and I have been through the old Leander class frigate Waikato before she was decommissioned. but a lot of my knowledge ogf the military comes from complete back issues of the Janes Defence Weekly and Janes Defence Quarterly magazines dating to the 1970's and a libraryful of military tomes.

If I wasn't deaf and unable to pass minimum entry standards for hearing I would be in the Army now.

It helps being deaf tho, I spent several years in a wheelchair and later more years unable to walk far or fast so spent a lot of time reading, I read everything from physics, medicine, psychology, to politics and Quantum theory. I also have a funny memory in that I cannot remember faces or names, but I can recall much of what I read on a topic 10 years ago, if not verbatim.

Get a life man, all those models and exact specs you drew up are a waste of time. GET A LIFE!@

OOC: Kindly fuck off asshat.

1-Alright, I owe you 36 million for 4 new deystroyers commisioned this cycle....
2- New Orders

I am going to order 10 AGEIS Crusiers (I only need 2 command versions)
$3,329,400,000.00

I am also going to order 10 of the Tobruks
$1,850,000,000.00

And five of the LSD
$1,450,000,000.00

With an additional 30 medium Hovercraft
$240,000,000.00

Total: 6,869,400,000 USD

What do you have in carriers? I'm looking for six with a capacity of 40-60 slots (or more) can be only VTOL but prefer CTOL

And How much for a licencing fee on production of the
Landrovers? My puppet China Wrighty needs some cars to produce for my military!

OOC: He was logistics I believe, we got talking about Ranger school (my cousin's already gone through that...He wanted to go...)

Order confirmed. (retroactivly, just pretend I answered way back then.) Ships are building and will be with you by the time this post is made. (good thing NS time is so flexible!)

Licenceing feewill be the standard 5% of final sales price, your final sales price not to undercut official Calarcian sales price.

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Sorry I didn't answer for so long, I overused my internet account at the university and can't get online until I top it up again, this thursday, I'm currently writing from home on my Mums Connection. where I will be for the next 2 days before leaving for town (and no internet) on monday, then it will be until thursday before I can be online again.

Well, Have fun
money wired...
don't worry about the carriers I got a deal from someone who needs the work :wink:

<ooc> If I am akward, forgive me, I am new to this, and have been reading the boards for the last three days to familiarize myself with the economy somewhat. I use to be quite good at developing a pen and paper economy and military model though so here goes.

<ic>
Greetings, I a Khargu Rhu'Bhal, Minister of Defense for the nation of Orklund. Recently we have disposed our old dictator an installed a more benevolent one in his place. The state of our military is a shambles, we actually have units still armed with breech loaders and our navy consists of 3 leaky Dhows. Our Air Force would be non existent, but for the gift of 5 assault helicopters from one of our neighbors.

The current government is quite concious of the international perception, due to an extremely brutal predecessor, we wish defensive capabilities without indicating threat to our neighbors.

We currently have a problem with refugees arriving by sea, also smugglers seeking to circumvent our tariffs find our land borders inhospitable, due more to our neighbors efforts than our own, so also have chosen the sea route.

Our country is roughly 180,000 square km, with a coastline of about 480 km. At this time although we have a paper military of 350,000, only 70,000 are actually classified as combat ready. 7,000 of those men and women have been earmarked for coastal defense and sea going patrol.

We have a strong economy with an annual budget of 2.6 bil thong earmarked for defense. Of this, we are earmarking 50 % or 1.3 bil thong
annually for the purchase of vessels for the Coast Guard. Our first budget endorsement ocurs this very year.

Our specifications require unarmoured fast respond vessels, capable of operating within our 75 km of our coastline. They must be armed sufficiently to intercept, close and engage lightly armed smuggler and pirate vessels at will. Failing to close they should have the capability to disable or destroy these vessel at some range if required, preferably with a SSM guidance system.

These vessels must also be able to deter freighters full of refugees that seem to abound in our waters these day hopefully by appearence rather than action, yet also capable of assisting and towing disabled ships to a internment station.

We have no naval expertise beyond our ancient dhows, other than we know what these ships must be able to do. Can you recommend a vessel type within our specifications and budget?

I'll have one of each destroyer, um 25 missile patrol boats, 10 large patrol boats, 5 light general purpose frigates, 6 harpoon frigates and 4 SAM frigates, 10 IKARA frigates, 2 multirole destroyers and 2 aegis command crusiers, 2 guidded missile anti ships, 2 guide anti air missle cruisers, 50 fast patrol boats, 15 landing ship tanks, 5 transport ships, 5 landing craft dock marine amphibous assault ship, 50 hover landing graft, and 100 small landing craft.

i would like half of my fleet with advanced layer armor and half tempered steel

400 mercedes unigio 6x6 6 ton

thats all thanks. heres the money and how many days will it take until the fleet is delivered to my nation?

thanks for the new fleet!

Orklund, we have two ships that may be of interest to you. Both are patrol ships but are designed for different roles, The large Patrol ship is for long range patrols or escort work, the patrol boat missile is a closer inshore/sheltered water ship, the large patrol ships larger size is mostly accounted for by fuel tanks and rudimentary accommodation, when on long escorts or convoy work,several Large patrol boats are normally matched with a single "Mother" ship carrying off duty watches and a helicopter for transport, usually a Replenishment at sea ship. But without this a large patrol boat can carry two watches and proceed for 2 weeks unsupplied, the patrol boats missile are designed to sortie from a base, and only have supplies for 48 hours and no bunking areas.

We have a smaller yet Patrol boat, but it has only 40mm and 20mm guns and no long range or missile weapons. These would do admireably as Coastguard boats but will not deal with larger, more serious threats except by calling in airstrikes or other support and do not have Submarine detection gear or ASW weapons. These boats are Hydrofoils with high rates of speed. 29 Million Calcs each

1 calc is equal to .93 USD


Large Patrol Boat,
armed with:
twin 40mm dual purpose antiair/antisurface gun mount,
two single Exocet missile canisters,
one 21 cell drum RIM-118 SRM (Short Range Missile as the ESSM is a marinised AIM-7 Sparrow mssile with a new sensor package the SRM is a marinised AIM-9 Sidewinder with a new dual IR and Radar sensor)
two single torpedo tubes.
No helicopter, but a clear rear deck aft of the RIM-118 for winching up and down supplies.
Radar and Sonar.
twin LM500 Gas turbine engines.
Range 5000Nm at 39 Knt both engines, 8000Nm at 18 Knt one engine
weight 1,150 tons
Crew 62
The smallest that can handle open water seaways, designed to escort convoys, patrol 200Nm EEZ waters and intercept intruders into territorial waters. The EXOCETs can be exchanged for Penguin AS or similiar missiles, 4 Penguins being carried in place of 2 EXOCETS.
105,000,000.oo Calcs 97,650,000.oo USD

Patrol boats (Missile),
Armed with:
One x 9 cell RIM-118
Two x single canister EXOCET
One x 76mm gun
Two x .50 HMG
One x Depth Charge Rack, 20 charges
Radar and Sonar (details classified)
Engine Gas Turbine, LM500
Range 1500NM @ 38Knt
Crew 58 each
858 tons
Single LM500 Gas Turbine Engine.
Designed for inshore coastal defence sortieing from a base, Exocet can be exchanged for similiar missile like Penguin AS missiles.
Cost: 68,000,000.00 Calcs 63,240,000.oo USD

For the uninitiated an EXOCET is a french antiship Surface launched missile capable of being fired from ship or shore from a box launcher, and which have been modified to be airlaunched by larger patrol and strike planes. , Size and Range are less than the Harpoon and warhead is also less but they are an effective weapon regardless, as seen when exocets were used in the Falklands war and sunk ships. the Pengiun missile is a Antiship air launched missile designed to be deployed from light partol planes and strike planes which has been modified to be fired from a ship, the range is less than the exocet, the warhead about half the power, but against a small ship the penguin is quite effective, and several hits by penguins will disable enemy ships.

I'll have one of each destroyer, um 25 missile patrol boats, 10 large patrol boats, 5 light general purpose frigates, 6 harpoon frigates and 4 SAM frigates, 10 IKARA frigates, 2 multirole destroyers and 2 aegis command crusiers, 2 guidded missile anti ships, 2 guide anti air missle cruisers, 50 fast patrol boats, 15 landing ship tanks, 5 transport ships, 5 landing craft dock marine amphibous assault ship, 50 hover landing graft, and 100 small landing craft.

i would like half of my fleet with advanced layer armor and half tempered steel

400 mercedes unigio 6x6 6 ton

thats all thanks. heres the money and how many days will it take until the fleet is delivered to my nation?

thanks for the new fleet!

Big order, i went and checked your credit rating before totting up the totals.

The Bakshiveck Union Gross Domestic Product
Population: 50,000,000
Civil Rights: Good
Economy: Strong
GDP per Capita: $12,500
GDP: $625,000,000,000
National Budget: $158,591,250,000

Percentage of GDP Spent on Defense: 5.07%
Percentage of Budget Spent on Defense: 20%
Military Budget: $31,718,250,000

31 Billion is acceptable. so I totted up the totals of the order:

$16,845,355,000.oo USD for 145 ships, 150 hovercraft.

Within your budget so order confirmed. Bulk purchase discount of 5% factored in your total is now: 16,003,087,250.oo USD or just over 16 billion USD.

For such a massive order we are enlarging our shipbuilding facilities, we can deliver 30 ships from the exisiting yards in the first year, 50 ships in the second and 65 ships and 5 hovercraft in the third, and all the remaining hovercraft in the 4th year.
All the automobiles will be delivered in 6 months.

(one NS year equal to 1 RL day, trucks in 12 hours, 30 ships in one day from now, 50 more ships 24 hours after that, 65 ships and 5 hovercraft in another 24 after that, and all the rest of the hovercraft left in another 12 hours, hovercraft not taking as long to make as they are smaller.)

thank you for the sale [shakes hand]

how do u check credit ratings?

I'll have one of each destroyer, um 25 missile patrol boats, 10 large patrol boats, 5 light general purpose frigates, 6 harpoon frigates and 4 SAM frigates, 10 IKARA frigates, 2 multirole destroyers and 2 aegis command crusiers, 2 guidded missile anti ships, 2 guide anti air missle cruisers, 50 fast patrol boats, 15 landing ship tanks, 5 transport ships, 5 landing craft dock marine amphibous assault ship, 50 hover landing graft, and 100 small landing craft.

i would like half of my fleet with advanced layer armor and half tempered steel

400 mercedes unigio 6x6 6 ton

thats all thanks. heres the money and how many days will it take until the fleet is delivered to my nation?

thanks for the new fleet!

Big order, i went and checked your credit rating before totting up the totals.

The Bakshiveck Union Gross Domestic Product
Population: 50,000,000
Civil Rights: Good
Economy: Strong
GDP per Capita: $12,500
GDP: $625,000,000,000
National Budget: $158,591,250,000

Percentage of GDP Spent on Defense: 5.07%
Percentage of Budget Spent on Defense: 20%
Military Budget: $31,718,250,000

31 Billion is acceptable. so I totted up the totals of the order:

$16,845,355,000.oo USD for 145 ships, 150 hovercraft.

Within your budget so order confirmed. Bulk purchase discount of 5% factored in your total is now: 16,003,087,250.oo USD or just over 16 billion USD.

For such a massive order we are enlarging our shipbuilding facilities, we can deliver 30 ships from the exisiting yards in the first year, 50 ships in the second and 65 ships and 5 hovercraft in the third, and all the remaining hovercraft in the 4th year.
All the automobiles will be delivered in 6 months.

(one NS year equal to 1 RL day, trucks in 12 hours, 30 ships in one day from now, 50 more ships 24 hours after that, 65 ships and 5 hovercraft in another 24 after that, and all the rest of the hovercraft left in another 12 hours, hovercraft not taking as long to make as they are smaller.)

thank you for the sale [shakes hand]

how do u check credit ratings?


http://www.pipian.com/stuffforchat/gdpcalc.php?nation=The%20Bakshiveck%20Union&defenseprovided=1&defense=20&militarybudget=1

Cut and paste the link to a notepad somewhere, then you can enter that to see your GDP and other figures.

Please accept our order for 12 Large Patrol Boats

Equiped as listed per your qoute below.

Large Patrol Boat,
armed with:
twin 40mm dual purpose antiair/antisurface gun mount,
two single Exocet missile canisters,
one 21 cell drum RIM-118 SRM (Short Range Missile as the ESSM is a marinised AIM-7 Sparrow mssile with a new sensor package the SRM is a marinised AIM-9 Sidewinder with a new dual IR and Radar sensor)
two single torpedo tubes.
No helicopter, but a clear rear deck aft of the RIM-118 for winching up and down supplies.
Radar and Sonar.
twin LM500 Gas turbine engines.
Range 5000Nm at 39 Knt both engines, 8000Nm at 18 Knt one engine
weight 1,150 tons
Crew 62
The smallest that can handle open water seaways, designed to escort convoys, patrol 200Nm EEZ waters and intercept intruders into territorial waters. The EXOCETs can be exchanged for Penguin AS or similiar missiles, 4 Penguins being carried in place of 2 EXOCETS.
105,000,000.oo Calcs 97,650,000.oo USD


$1,171,800,000 USD has been wired to you directly.

I hope to do business with you in the future as Orklund grows.

Khargu Rhu'Bhal
Minister of Defense
The Rogue Republic of Orklund.

Orklund.

Order confirmed, However due to a previous large 145 ship, 150 Hovercraft order, all our shipyards and construction slips are current;y occupied, the order will be completed on Mon morning. Your ships will arrive Tues (RL times)

Thankyou for ordering from Calarca

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OOC: Sorry to take so long to deliver, but I'm restricted by the number of ships I can build in a NS year (RL day), I don't believe in godmodding and building 500+ in one NS year as I have seen some 3 day old N00bies do.

Fair enough, I do have a neighbor that is threatining to invade with 92 great danes lit on fire with spears tied to them, my infantry should be sufficient to handle that threat.

Khargu Rhu'Bhal
Minister of Defense
Orklund.

Hmm... call the SPCA...

Anyway hearing that I'll lend you a few of my IFVs, theres 4 MARDER IFVs with 30mm main cannon, twin 7.62 coax guns and 8 well armed infantry in the back on the way to your country. Expect my cargo planes in a day or so NS, (a few minutes RL). this should be sufficient to proect you against great danes untl the ships arrive.

Also lending a Multirole Destroyer to patrol your coast until your ships arrive, expect it in about a week, (an hour RL)

I would like them back once your patrol ships arrive tho, so take care with them.

The Region of Empire of the Pacific and all its' nations wishes to buy 40 of each of your ships, and etc.

We need this request ASAP....

The Region of Empire of the Pacific and all its' nations wishes to buy 40 of each of your ships, and etc.

We need this request ASAP....

Umm.... Unless you're the Alt of a December/January nation I don't think you could afford this order.... one of each ship comes to over 30 billion, 40 times 30 is 1.2 trillion, thats more than a nation founded today can afford.

So first, As a region purchase, how many nations are there, what is the combined population of these nations, and the combined tax take/military budget of these nations, and how old are these nations.

It's not usual for the newest nation of a region to approach a seller to purchase on behalf of a region, That is the role of the founder or UN delegate if there is one, and one of the older recognised players if there is not.

If you wish to know how much you as a new nation can afford, then go here: http://www.pipian.com/stuffforchat/gdpcalc.php?nation=Peoples%20Society&defenseprovided=1&defense=20&militarybudget=1

it is just over 3 billion, not 1200 billion.

would like to buy 4 warships... money wired

(OOC) You know you could probably save engine power if you ripped out the Aegis and installed a selection of sonar and radar arrays with increased performance in some respects. This would result in a minor decrease in reaction time on the bridge but I feel this is insignificant.

i will buy 1000 6x6 landrovers how much? money will be wired upon confirmation

would like to buy 4 warships... money wired

More info please, what types? I make a lot of different warships, from small hyrofoils to 18 inch gunned battleships.

i will buy 1000 6x6 landrovers how much? money will be wired upon confirmation

51 thousand USD each, by 1000 is 51 million.

Will be sent immediately money recieved.

(with shipping they will arrived at your NS borders in 1 RL hour from your post, I may not reply since My Internet connection is a bit perilous.)

Based on recent sales of the C-1B, Calarca recieves $2bn in royalties. (Approxiamtion only, didn't want to look thru 30 pages of orders). $2bn has been wired to the Calarca industires account.

Hey can I get the full specs on your standard 18" gun battleship??

Calarca is ranked 1st in the region and 6,534th in the world for Largest Arms Manufacturing Sector.

Nice, My ships must be popular!

A&C I'll post the specs in the morning, too tired to find them just now.

(Had an auction, still have 600 billion left to spend)

10 X Cruiser, Guided Missile Antiair = 3.5bn calcs
20 X Destroyer, Guided Missile Antiship = 6.4bn calcs
20 X Destroyer Multirole = 7.15bn calcs

20 X Frigates, with IKARA ASW rocket system = 3.9bn calcs
20 X Frigates, with 24 call VLS with 24 SM-1 STANDARD SAMs = 4.2bn calcs

TOTAL: 25.15bn calcs/$23.3895bn USD

Money will be wired upon confirmation

Order confirmed.

Note this is an 90 ship order, I only have slips for 70 ships therefore 20 ships will follow in a year after the first 70 arrive. ships will begin arriving in 1 NS year.



A&C
Specs on BB are as follows.

1093 LOA, 1039 feet at waterline, beam 119 feet, draft 38 feet.
6 shafts with 3 nuclear reactors, Max horsepower 450,000. Max speed 33 Knts.

Armour is ALP, (see first post of thread for description, basically seagoing chobham) 21 inches over magazines and 3/4 of the length, bows and stern areas 11 inches, deck 16 inches for plunging fire (no Hood disasters here), Reinforced fore stem and bulkheads for ice protection.

Weight 96,000 tons.

8 x 18" guns in two forward triple and one rear twin turrents, 12 x 127mm guns in 6 twin turrents on side superstructure. 4 x 21 cell RIM-118 SRM drums two each side of superstructure. 16 x 40mm guns in 8 twin mounts around the ship, 24 x 20mm cannons in twin mounts around the ship, 4 x CWIS 20mm Vulcan systems, one each on top of rear and top fore main gun turrents, one on each side of the mast on buttressed platforms. 1 x 64 cell VLS system.

AEGIS radar suite, Towed array and active sonar, Seasearch radar.

Hangar for 4x large helos or 2x VTOL aircraft.

Another variant of the ship removes the helipad and hangar and places 2 further triple turrents where they were.

http://publish.hometown.aol.com/waikatokiwi/myhomepage/battleship..jpg

Thank you, money wired :)

Need a new flagship:

*Dreadnought-sized
*AEGIS Capable
*Needs to hold between 10-20 VTOL jets
*Preferably Trimaran, or have two other ships attached onto the side if not possible.
*Preferably uses SS-N-22 Sunburn instead of AGM-84 Harpoon.

Could you give me a quote?

Based on the M.E.R.G project hull, altered a bit.

960 feet main hull, LOA, AEGIS SPY-1D array in main hull superstructure, SPY-1F in each secondary superstructure, all crosslinked through a NAUTIS command and correlation computing system. 4x twin 12 inch turrents each secondary, multiple 5 inch and RIM-118 SRM and 40mm mounts on main foredeck and superstructure and side hulls. 6 x 64 cell VLS with SM-2 missiles for the AEGIS in trimaran wings. 2x 32 cell VLS for SS-N-22 Sunburn missiles in secondary hulls.

(might be 36 or 40 or 48 or something else, all I know is SS-N-22 is bigger than harpoons, so larger VLS still holds less. Go by size in the pic and choose your own missile load in each VLS)

2 nuke reactors and 4 shafts in main hull, and one reactor and two shafts in each secondary hull. max speed 35 Knts, 12 inch armour plate with additional 6 inches over magazines.

3 deck lifts to internal lowerdeck hangar, hangar holds 15 aircraft F-14 size, 20 aircraft F/A-18 size and 27 AV-8B size. Deck has 3 catapults over the stern for CTOVL flight profiles allowing full maximum weapon loads on takeoff and Vertical landing when ordanance expended or jettisoned.

Cost = 5.5 Billion USD. Aircraft not included.

I can't get the img to load onto my homepage in AOL Hometown, so no image. sorry.

We are very impressed, and were originally planning to purchase one, but due to the unexpected extra aircraft capacity, we will procure six. Half the costs have been wired to your account and the other half will be paid on delivery. ($16.5bn USD)

Ell: Order confirmed, ships under construction, due to the size and complexity delivery will require 2 NS years rather than the usual one NS year. (2 RL days, not one)

Large aircraft holding capacity is due to the fact that while it is smaller and lower than an Aircraft carrier, there is no need to accommodate crew in the center hull, all living areas are in the secondary hulls, releasing space in the central hull for storage and munitions. It's still less planes than on Nimitz or Kitty Hawk class ships and they have to land vertically or risj running into the forward superstructure (Which has a heavily armoured back wall in case one does ram it, but the missles should make up for that.




OOC Note to customers: I will be offline and away from any internet access untill thursday NZ time. Apologies for any delays in orders

That's O.K. I want to talk about reducing the number of 127 mm guns on your BB and replacing them with a anti-aircraft missle systems...

<OOC Apologies for the long post, it's got almost my entire catalogue in it /OOC>
(A Calc is .93 USD)

Calarca Shipbuilding Co has several designs of warships available. These hulls have modular fitting points and may be fitted out in a variety of fashions, depending on whether the focus is to be anti Sub, anti Air or Surface combat. Calarca is too small to have a indigeous weapon research division so weapons and electronics will be outsourced from tried and true sources to match to the hulls chosen.
Pick any combination of the below:

Cruiser, Guided Missile Antiair. AEGIS with 64 cell VLS loaded with STANDARD SM-1 missiles, as main armament, secondary armament of 12 cell VLS loaded with Harpoon and 127mm gun, one 21 tube RIM-118 SRM drum, two CIWS Vulcan cannons and two 3 tube torpedo clusters. this is an extremely effective Air suppression platform.
32 Knt speed or 16000NM range with twin screw COGAG twin LM2500 and twin LM2500, for cruising at most economical long range speend, 16Knt with one pair LM2500s geared to one screw each for a range of 16000NM, and for faster speed, all four turbines going, two geared to each shaft. 32Knt for 6000NM. weight 4,900 tons
350,000,000.00 Calcs

Cruiser, Command. AEGIS with 64 cell VLS loaded with 32 STANDARD SM-1 missiles 12 Harpoons and 16 cells ESSM (64 missiles), as main armament, secondary armament 127mm gun, one 21 tube RIM-118 SRM drum, two CIWS Vulcan cannons and two 3 tube torpedo clusters. 4 single enclosed 30mm Rarden cannon or enclosed twin 25mm bushmaster chainguns, two mounted above bridge, two abaft the funnel, pintle mounted .50 HMGs mounted along the deck railings. This is an effective Air suppression platform with singificant antisurface capabilities.
The usual secondary 12 cell VLS system mounted aft of the mast and fore of the funnel is removed and replaced inside the ship with a command centre and admirals/flotilla comanders station with additional radar, radio on information stations, this connects to the ships own combat command centre directly forwards under the mast mountings which in its turn opens onto the bridge allowing quick communincation and access to the bridge.
NAUTIS naval information transfer and analysis system, capable of commanding up to 5 groups of 20 ships each.
32 Knt speed or 16000NM range with twin screw COGAG twin LM2500 and twin LM2500, for cruising at most economical long range speend, 16Knt with one pair LM2500s geared to one screw each for a range of 16000NM, and for faster speed, all four turbines going, two geared to each shaft. 32Knt for 6000NM. weight 5,690 tons
358,000,000.00 Calcs

Destroyer, Guided Missile Antiship. With 36 Cell VLS loaded with Harpoon as primary armament, secondary armament of 12 cell VLS loaded with ESSM (enhanced sea sparrow missile, the enhanced part is better manuverability and fold in fins that allows 4 per cell rather than the origional 1) @ 4 per cell (48 missiles), 127mm gun, one 21 tube RIM-118 SRM drum, two CIWS Vulcan Cannons, and two 3 tube torpedo clusters, this is an effective Antisurface ship.
33 Knt speed or 17000NM range with twin screw COGAG twin LM2500 and twin LM2500, for cruising at most economical long range speend, 16Knt with one pair LM2500s geared to one screw each for a range of 17000NM, and for faster speed, all four turbines going, two geared to each shaft. 32Knt for 7000NM. weight 4,200 tons.
320,000,000.00 Calcs

Destroyer Multirole. With 36 Cell VLS loaded with 12 cells SM-2, 12 cells Harpoon and 12 cells ESSM (48 missiles) as primary armament on foredeck, secondary armament of 3x 127mm guns two in a twin gun mount on foredeck forwards of VLS and one mounted between mast and funnel replacing secondary VLS, funnel cut down and fitted with blower extractor to make up for shorter height so Gun can fire to rearwards. one 21 tube RIM-118 SRM drum, two CIWS Vulcan Cannons, and two 3 tube torpedo clusters, this is an effective Antisurface ship with strong anti air elements with a long range SAM (SM-2), a medium range SAM (ESSM) and a short range defensive SAM (SRM). It also has significant Antisubmarine capabilities when SH-2G dipping sonar ASW helicopters are carried to augument the standard towed sonar and acvive hull dome sonar, the ASW helos also have mountings for light torpedos and mines to augument the torpedo tubes carried aboard. 4 enclosed twin 25mm bushmaster chain gun mounts or enclosed single mounts 30mm Raden cannon stationed above the bridge and abeam/abaft the funnel with pintle mounted .50HMGs mounted along the rails for boarding actions.
33 Knt speed or 17000NM range with twin screw COGAG twin LM2500 and twin LM2500, for cruising at most economical long range speend, 16Knt with one pair LM2500s geared to one screw each for a range of 17000NM, and for faster speed, all four turbines going, two geared to each shaft. 32Knt for 7000NM. weight 4,350 tons
357,500,000.00 Calcs

All these ships come with a hangar bay large enough for 3 small/medium helicopters or 2 large helicopters.

Frigates, with IKARA ASW rocket system (rocket booster with a small antisub torpedo as warhead) as main armament, secondary armament of 12 cell VLS system loaded with 4 cells harpoons and 8 cells ESSM @ 4 per cell (32 missiles), 127mm gun, one CIWS 20mm Vulcan Cannon, two 3 tube topedo clusters. hangar space for 1 helicopter.
34 Knt speed or 14000NM range. CODAG with one MAN diesel and one LM2500 turbine. most economic crusing with MAN diesel, 16 Knt for 14000NM, LM2500 engaged for 34Knt and 6000NM range. weight 2,900 tons
195,000,000.00 Calcs

Frigates, with 24 call VLS with 24 SM-1 STANDARD SAMs, secondary armament of 12 cell VLS system loaded with 4 cells harpoons and 8 cells ESSM @ 4 per cell (32 missiles), 127mm gun, one CIWS 20mm Vulcan Cannon, two 3 tube topedo clusters. hangar space for 1 helicopter.
34 Knt speed or 14000NM range. CODAG with one MAN diesel and one LM2500 turbine. most economic crusing with MAN diesel, 16 Knt for 14000NM, LM2500 engaged for 34Knt and 6000NM range. weight 2,850 tons
210,000,000.00 Calcs

Frigates, with 24 call VLS with 24 HArpoon AntiShip Missiles, secondary armament of 12 cell VLS system loaded with 12 cells ESSM @ 4 per cell (48 missiles), 127mm gun, one CIWS 20mm Vulcan Cannon, two 3 tube topedo clusters. hangar space for 1 helicopter.
34 Knt speed or 14000NM range. CODAG with one MAN diesel and one LM2500 turbine. most economic crusing with MAN diesel, 16 Knt for 14000NM, LM2500 engaged for 34Knt and 6000NM range. weight 2,850 tons
(as frigate above but with Harpoon not SM-1 SAMs)
205,000,000.00 Calcs

Frigates, light General Purpose,
Armed with:
One x 12 cell vertical Launcher
8 cells ESSM (Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile) Surface to air missile @ 4 missiles per cell, total 32 missiles
4 cells Harpoon Surface to surface missile
Two x 21 cell RIM-118 SRM (Short Range Missile)
One x 127mm gun (5 inch)
Two x 3 tube Torpedo mounts, loaded with Mk48 ADCAP. 6 torpedoes total
One x 20mm Vulcan CIWS (close in weapon system)
One x Twin 40mm Dual purpose AntiAir/AntiSurface mount
Four x .50 HMG (Heavy Machine Gun)
Radar and Sonar (details classified)
Engines COGAG (combined action Gas and Gas) 2 x LM2500 Gas Turbines.
Range 10,000NM @ 16Knt on one engine, 3000NM @ 39Knt both engines.
Crew 269 each

Large Patrol Boat, The smallest that can handle open water seaways. More a messenger packet or investigationary ship, armed with twin 40mm dual purpose antiair/antisurface gun mount, two single Exocet missile canisters, one 21 cell drum RIM-118 SRM (Short Range Missile as the ESSM is a marinised AIM-7 Sparrow missile with a new sensor package the SRM is a marinised AIM-9 Sidewinder with a new dual IR and Radar sensor) two single torpedo tube. No helicopter, but a clear rear deck aft of the RIM-118 for winching up and down supplies. no crew quaters and only one watch aboard, alternate crew stay aboard the Replenishment ship until time to transfer over for their watch. weight 1,150 tons
105,000,000.00 Calcs

Patrol boats (Missile),
Armed with:
One x 9 cell RIM-118
Two x single canister EXOCET
One x 76mm gun
Two x .50 HMG
One x Depth Charge Rack, 20 charges
Radar and Sonar (details classified)
Engine Gas Turbine, LM500
Range 1500NM @ 38Knt
Crew 58 each
Designed for inshore coastal defence sortieing from a base, Exocet can be changed for similiar missile like Penguin AS missiles.
Cost: 68,000,000.00 Calcs

Fast Patrol boat (gun),
Armed with:
1 x Twin 40mm Dual AntiAir/AntiSurface mount
2 x 20mm guns
2 x .50 HMG
Radar
Engine Twin diesels. Hamilton Jet propulsion on Hydrofoils
Range 1000NM @ 48Knt planning
Crew 21 each
Inshore and interception force ships, little more than overpowered high speed coastguard cutters, are however effective for enforcing blockades as a force multiplyer, 4 or 5 of these can career around an area and call back to base for support.
29,000,000.00 Calcs

These ships are unarmoured and are not designed for closing and engaging with guns as primary tatics. However they all have Gas turbine and diesel engines, meaning they can surge from base to sea within minutes of alert being sounded.

Replenishment at sea ship. A large military spec cargo ship capablie of refueling and reloading the other ships while underway, can make new parts for the other ships (within reason) and carries large numbers of what spare parts cannot be made, is also capable of towing a disabled ship to nearest harbour or dockyard. selfdefence armament of two 21 missile drums of RIM-118 SRM and two CIWS vulcan cannons. also carries exchange crew for the PB and crews quarters for offduty PB crew if operating in conjucntion with PBs. Has a helicopter deck and space for 2 large helicopters to airlift supplies or PB crews.
12000 tons, 28 Knts from steam boiler, can replenish via RAS link to port and starboard, or Sheerlegs to port and drogue tow to rear. (RAS is refueling via hoses winched or hauled over and solid goods slid over on wire ropes and pulleys. Sheerleg refueling is by swaying out padded buttresses between the ships and lashing both ships together, stern drogue is refueling only, the end of the fuel hose is screwed onto a float, and dragged after the boat, the ship to be refueled pulls it out of the water and unfastedning the float, attaches it to the fueling point.)
265,000,000.00 Calcs

Landing Ship Tank, Mk 3,
345.10 feet LOA, beam 55.3, draft (aft) 13 feet.
2140 ton empty, 3117 fully loaded.
10,000NM at 14 knots, max of 18 knots.
LM1500 Gas turbines. Twin screw.
1x twin 75mm (3inch) gun mount on foredeck, can be used to shell beach on landings. 1x 40mm on afterdeck. 3x 20mm, one on bridge roof, one each port and starboard just aft of 75mm turrent. 2x 9 tube SRM drums. aft of funnel. The 40mm rear gun replaced with a two missile Penguin launcher and 4 more missiles to provide a more effective antiship protection force.
Can carry 168 troops, 18x 40 ton tanks 7 LCMs and 27 trucks. By carrying tanks and trucks armed with TOW or other weapons on deck, during transport the ship can enhance defensive powers.
These ships also carry two LARC V amphibious trucks on deck with derricks to lower them to the water. these can carry 20 troops or 4.5 tons of supplies. 119,000,000.oo Calcs or $110,670,000.oo USD
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Transport ship Medium. Enlarged Modified Tobruk Class.
4100 ton empty, 5800 ton full load. 475Ft LOA, Beam 65ft, Draft 19ft aft 13 ft forward
Twin screw LM2500 gas turbine 30,000SHp. max speed 25 Knt, cruise speed 19 Knt. Max range at cruise 14000 Nm
Can carry 420 comfortably men for long periods, or 700 men in overload conditions for short periods.
RO-RO ship with topside deck accessable from wharfs. Bow doors and ramp for shore landings on deep beaches with steep dropoffs. Carries 4 LARC V Amphibous trucks, Rear doors and ramp for at sea transfers of eqiupment and men to shallower draft ships such as the LST Mk3 in earlier post or for deployment of medium hover landingcraft. can carry 24 x 60 ton tanks on lower deck and 30 trucks, 8 x 40 ton tanks and 12 trucks on upper, with lift access similiar to a carriers. Hangar rear deck, room for 2 large airlift helicopters.
Defensive weapons of 2 twin 75mm (3 inch) mounts on forecastle deck, 2 x Phalanx CIWS 20mm abaft the funnel on hangar roof level, and 2 x RIM-118 SRM abaft the funnel on hangar deck level. 189,500,000.oo USD
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Landing Craft Dock. Marine amphibious assult ship.
Power plant: Twin LM2500 Gas Turbines, 60,000SHp
Length: 684 feet (208.5 meters)
Beam: 105 feet (31.9 meters)
Displacement: Approximately 24,900 tons (25,300 metric tons) full load
Speed: in excess of 22 knots (24.2 mph, 38.7 kph)
Aircraft: Launch or land up to four CH-46 Sea Knight helicopters; or up to two MV-22 Osprey tilt rotor aircraft simultaneously with room to spot four MV-22s on deck and one in the hangar.
Armament: Two Bushmaster II 30 mm Close in Guns, fore and aft; two 21 tube RIM-118 SRM drums, fore and aft. 2 Phalanx CIWS 20mm guns fore and aft. The rear 30mm Bushmaster cannon of the LSD can be removed and a quad launcher for Penguin AS missiles and a magazine and autoloader holding 12 more missiles can be fitted in order to provide further ranged protection against enemy ships.
Carries 900 Men in comfort. Armoured Equipment and supplies for those men, comes with Landingcraft Hover x 2 or Landing craft medium x 1 in internal flooding docking bay. 290,000,000.oo USD
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Landingcraft, Hover, medium carries 6 trucks (tight fit), 2 light tanks (40 ton), one large tank (60 ton), or 80 men, or a mix such as 2 trucks, one light tank and 20 men etc. For a total weight of 120 tons. Armed with 2 x single 40mm bofors rapid fire cannon to the fore flanking the ramp for suppression of enemy shore positions or air defenses, can be swappeed for twin 30mm bushmaster or single 20mm gatling mounts. Max range 400 Nm at 42 Knt. One can be carried in the dock. cost 8 million USD one comes standard with the LSD as ppart of the purchase price.

Landingcraft, Hover, small. can carry one light tank, three trucks, or 50 men for a loaded weight of 50 tons. three can be carried in the dock, or driven up onto the tank/truck carriage deck in place of trucks/tanks, can also fit into the Modified Tobrucks in place of wheeled cargo. Armed with two single 20mm cannons on bridge roof. Max range 300Nm at 42 Nm. cost 5 million USD



Heavy Armour

We have two types of armour:

Tempered steel, as used from the days of the first ironclads through to the second world war and after. The term is self explanitory, is always there, unlike water, however can be penetrated by HEAT and HEAA warheats with shaped charges. Comes in various thicknesses to stop different enemy rounds.

Advanced Layered Plate. A development spurred by the success of Chobham armour, layers of tempered steel, titanium honeycomb, High temperature ceramics, and foamed aluminum embedded with Titanium and HTC balls. External hull is smooth tempered steel, with the inner side butting on the layered filling moulded into shallow pyrimids, and the filling layers repeating this corrugation untill the last inner steel layer which has a smooth inner hull. These corrugations are so even a perfectly square impact by a HEAT or HEAA round will have the shaped charge meet the inner layers at an angle. The titanium is a high temperature strong metal and weakens the shaped charge with the nessesity of buring through it, the High temperature ceramics are there to blunten the force of the shaped charge jet even further, and upon reaching the titanium and HTC balls in the foamed aluminium the jet will be deflected everywhere but through the last steel wall. This is the same basic method as chobham armour, and the materials are as effective against the convetional high speed solid round as ever.

Battleship, Cruiser, or Destroyer

BB's have 8 x 18 inch guns (two 3 gun turrents and one 2 gun turrent), 18+ inches layered plate armour, 64 cell VLS SM-1 SAMS 32 cells Harpoon, hangar space and helipad for 4 helicopters or 2 VTOL harriers / YAK forgers, numerous 5 inch, 40mm and RIM-118 SRM missile defences, and 4 CIWS's. and weigh 36,000 tons and manage 33Knts on nuclear reacters and steam turbine.

Cruisers are either missile:
AEGIS with 64 cell VLS loaded with STANDARD SM-1 missiles, as main armament, secondary armament of 12 cell VLS loaded with Harpoon and 127mm gun two CIWS Vulcan cannons and two 3 tube torpedo clusters. this is an extremely effective Air suppression platform.
or Gun: 3 x 8 inch twin turrents or 3 x 12 inch single turrents, 32 cell VLS with 24 cells ESSM and 12 cells harpoon. some 5 inch, 40MM and RIM-118 SRM mounts. 2 CIWS's
both 8 to 10 inches tempered steel or layered plate, weigh 20,000 tons gun and 18,000 tons missile. Top speed 31Knt from nuclear reacter and steam turbines.

Destroyers are either:
Missile: 32 Cell VLS loaded with Harpoon as primary armament, secondary armament of 12 cell VLS loaded with ESSM (enhanced sea sparrow missile, the enhanced part is better manuverability and fold in fins that allows 4 per cell rather than the origional 1) @ 4 per cell (48 missiles), one 127mm gun, two CIWS Vulcan Cannons, and two 3 tube torpedo clusters. two 21 cell RIM-118 SRM drums.This is an effective Antisurface ship.
Or gun: two twin 6 inch turrents or two single 8 inch turrents secondary armament of 12 cell VLS system loaded with 4 cells harpoons and 8 cells ESSM @ 4 per cell (32 missiles), one CIWS 20mm Vulcan Cannon, two 3 tube topedo clusters, two 21 cell RIM-118 SRM drums.
both 6 to 8 inches tempered steel plate or layered plate, Weigh 19,000 tons gun and 17,500 tons missile. Top speed 32Knt from nuclear reacter and steam turbines.

Both Gun and Missile heavy armoured Cr and Dds have hangar space and helicopter decks for 2 large helicopters

the heavy armoured ship require time from the alert being sounded til the reactors heat enough steam to get underway, approx 2 to 4 hours depending on make of reactor. but they can close to gun distance and engage with guns (gun) or survive being hit by opposing ships guns if they come too close (missile).

Cost:
BB = 1,150,000,000.00 Calcs
Cr(gun) = 710,000,000.00 Calcs
Cr(misl) = 690,000,000.00 Calcs
Dd(gun) = 590,000,000.00 Calcs
Dd(misl) = 550,000,000.00 Calcs

plus 35,000,000.00 for upgrading tempered steel with advanced layered plate on the Crs and 30,000,000.00 for upgrading to ALP for the Dds

Yes expensive, but all that armour plate requires a lot of man hours to manufacture, place and weld, as well as being expensive in the first place, good steel isn't cheap. And with 8+ inches rather than .25 as on modern ships, you get what you pay for.

Nuclear reacters will have to be sourced from a nuclear industry country as Calarca does not have Uranium mining or nuclear technology. The prefered partner for nuclear technology is the Consistutional Monarchy of Ell's ESSA.

Automobiles.

Landrover Defender 6x6 130 = $51,000
Landrover Defender 4x4 130 = $47,000
Landrover Defender 4x4 110 = $43,000
Landrover Defender 4x4 90 = $40,000

all with either 4.2L striaght 6 cyl Turbo diesel 148Kw & 510Nm or 5.9L V8 Turbo petrol 245Kw & 475Nm, 6 speed & reverse gearbox and low ratio, Center diff full time 4x4. All with 34" tyres. Numbers refer to wheelbase in inches.

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Mercedes Unimog 6x6 8 ton = $151,000
Mercedes Unimog 6x6 6 ton = $139,000
Mercedes Unimog 4x4 3 ton = $110,000

6x6 with 6L Straight 8 Turbo diesel, 285Kw & 720Nm, with 8 speed & 2 reverse gearbox and low ratio, center diff, full time 6x6.
4x4 with 4.8L straight 8 cyl turbo diesel, 200Kw & 675Nm, with 8 speed & 2 reverse gearbox and low ratio, center diff full time 4x4. All 39" tyres.

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Isuzu Trooper II LWB 4x4/2x4 = $32,000
Isuzu Trooper II SWB 4x4/2x4 = $31,000

Both 3.1 Turbo diesel intercooler 5 speed & reverse gearbox and low ratio, Selectable 2wd/4wd manual shift, manual locking hubs. LWB is 7 seater, SWB is 5 seater. Old bodystyle ('88, late '89 and early '90) with modern 3.1 TD eangine ('98 onwards). 31" tyres. Ideal personnel transport, only SUV to have more carrying capacity in '88 was the Suburban, even now bigger capacity than the Ford Explorer.

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BTW How long is it?

Ell, 960 feet LOA (length over all), somewhat shorter at the waterline. main hull is quite beamy.

A&, What type of Missile systems do you wish to fit instead, current design (see the pic above) has 3 twin gun mounts for 6x 127mm/5 inch guns a side, total of 6 mounts/12 guns in all. there are also 2x 21 cell RIM-118 SRM missile launchers per side for point defence, and SM-2's in the VLS where an oilburners funnel would be.
The 5 inch mounts could be replaced with more RIM-118s or with something like marinised Rapier or Hawk system. or even more SM-2s by using the rail launchers of the earlier FFG7 frigate models using the 127mm gun magazines to hold missiles not shells.
So qhat would you like?

Ell, 960 feet LOA (length over all), somewhat shorter at the waterline. main hull is quite beamy.

A&, What type of Missile systems do you wish to fit instead, current design (see the pic above) has 3 twin gun mounts for 6x 127mm/5 inch guns a side, total of 6 mounts/12 guns in all. there are also 2x 21 cell RIM-118 SRM missile launchers per side for point defence, and SM-2's in the VLS where an oilburners funnel would be.
The 5 inch mounts could be replaced with more RIM-118s or with something like marinised Rapier or Hawk system. or even more SM-2s by using the rail launchers of the earlier FFG7 frigate models using the 127mm gun magazines to hold missiles not shells.
So qhat would you like?

I think I'll leave half of them free (l'm planning to intergrate a MTHEL system into them.) and the other half can be fitted with RIM-118s.

I think I'll leave half of them free (l'm planning to intergrate a MTHEL system into them.) and the other half can be fitted with RIM-118s.

Done then.

I think I'll leave half of them free (l'm planning to intergrate a MTHEL system into them.) and the other half can be fitted with RIM-118s.

Done then.

does anybody else think that calarca is perhaps a little obsessive?? i post messages to evoke responses so that somebody tries to invade me...

one thing in your favour calarca, besides your obvious knowledge of the subject matter, is that you seem to know how to spell, which too many on this server don't!!!

you still seem obsessive though...

Obsessive about what? my spelling? lol... I'm 22 and at university, a lot of the NS players seem to be 10 and dropouts from remedial reading, apart from some like Vrak, A&H, Ell and others who seem to be old enough to manage a plot....

As to my knowing my subject material... The uni library has Janes Defence weekly backissues back to the 1970's and a lot of them are devoted to weapon details. tho I do call my short range point defence missiles the origional german RIM-118 SRM for Radar Intercept Missile model 118, Short Range Missile. while the US navy has called them RIM-116 RAM for Radar Intercept Missile model 116 Rolling Airframe Missile. other than that, think of what sort of books a university with Defence studies and International Military Stragetics will stock. I also spent 5 years with the Military shooting the hell out of the navy with blanks.

Hmm. invasion? Havn't been in one of those since Imperial Navy Haters AKA Garrison II puppet invaded The Imperial Navy.

Wanna slug it out? lol, I've some stealth bombers capable of Mach 6.5 and orbiting the moon that I could unleash on you.

Obsessive or not you definantely seem to know what you're talking about. The only gripe I have with your designs is they seem to be based pretty much entirely on US systems (a few of those I'm not 100% on), whereas it would be possible (especially on NS) to incorporate foreign systems such as Russian 'Sky Watch' Radars or 'Shkval' torpedoes or British 'Abbey Hill' suites and 'Sea Wolf' Missile arrays.
If you're interested, Fasta Benj has produced a spreadsheet for ship design. It was originally designed for a war game and as such the weapon performance statistics have been aproximated for dice roll. He's included most of the better and more interesting systems on his lists, including those from Argentina, China, Norway etc.

Hmm, well you haven't seen the L.R.A.S designs....and he can be obsessive if he wants about ship design. I tend to question everything anyone states when it comes to technical ideas, and he does know what he's talking about (although we sometimes appear to talk at each other) perhaps from a more theoretical standpoint, than some...As for mix and matching U.S. and foriegn systems...that usually causes severe headaches (like the fact that the power sources tend to be dissimilar, equipment that has a 50Hz need tied in with system that have a 60Hz power supply don't play well with each other. Now that is experience talking...)

I use the British "NAUTIS" naval battlefield C3 (communication, command and control) systems, the Italian(?) OtoMelara 75mm guns, the Scandinavian Penguin and french exocet AS missiles, the Australian Ikara ASW missile, My army uses the Arutinean TAM tank, and I use German MAN diesels for my ship engines and I also use the british 30mm Goalkeeper CIWS as an option for heavier ships instead of the US 20mm Phalanx. The RIM-118 SRM is also the original German spec with dual IR and radar seeker head instead of the US mod to the RIM-116 Radar only or IR only. The ships also can come with the German MAG Active Phased Array air search radar, (not sure if thats still in the first post, it cropped up in about the 3rd page of the thread som3where) which has 80Km less range than the SPY-1 set and cannot interface with the SM-1/2 missiles but can track and engage simultainously twice the targets with ESSMs.

So it's not JUST USA tech, they're only the easiest to distort from Janes defence books to fit my needs.

I'm looking at twisting the stats of a french well decked troop transport/assault ship/helicopter carrier to fit another design, and to introduce a lengthened U212 German sub with a bunch of VLS tubes for cruise missiles. with a lengthed Wasp class ship carrying two smaller short range point defence subs in the flooding well deck and a host of ASW helos as a enhancement to the ASW compondent of a task force.

I don't really like Goalkeeper, I prefer ADGM. Had you considered stuff like that French 76mm cannon (I think its called a 'super rapide'), or the 152 mm guns the argentinians use? They've got considerably higher ROF than most other guns of similar size.
I'm also quite into the Penguins but don't really see the point of exocets. I guess its because they're quite vulnerable to ECM and chaff and the like.

As for the problem of different power requirements, well there are these things called 'modulators'.

I don't really like Goalkeeper, I prefer ADGM. Had you considered stuff like that French 76mm cannon (I think its called a 'super rapide'), or the 152 mm guns the argentinians use? They've got considerably higher ROF than most other guns of similar size.
I'm also quite into the Penguins but don't really see the point of exocets. I guess its because they're quite vulnerable to ECM and chaff and the like.

As for the problem of different power requirements, well there are these things called 'modulators'.

Yes, but modulators don't like humidity too much, and they add mass and increase power consumption. really, it's more american equipment does not play well with other systems.

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TOTAL: $4.716 calcs USD=$4.385 bn USD

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Yes, but modulators don't like humidity too much, and they add mass and increase power consumption. really, it's more american equipment does not play well with other systems.[/quote]

Oh come now, this is the 21st century, we can keep some electronics from getting wet. I'm no expert on physics and stuff like that, but I've been assured by some Engineers that my ships are quite feasable. As for the US stuff, its OK, because I basically never use US systems anyway.
I use Russian electronics mostly with Russian CIWS, British Surface to Air missiles and Chaff and Penguin (with the odd Russian ones for greater range) missiles. I use French, Russian and Argentinian gun turrets. I use Russian and British torpedoes and Russian and British ECM and EW systems. My FFI and GPS systems are Russian and I'm using a Integration system. Hrrm I hadn't noticed it before but I seem to be favouring Russian and British stuff.
About the only US stuff I'm using is the odd sonar (most are Russian), a scattering of missiles and I think 1 ship class has a US radar on it.

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Order confirmed. Ships will arrive in one NS year. (one RL day.)



As to the equipment used, I chose units that are modular, and use standardised data busses. mixing units from different countries means the data busses, the software and the hardware are all different. As it is my modular approach means a week in dock using cranes to lift in and out modules can do what months is needed for the non-modular Russian tech.

Besides it isn't getting wet thats the problem often, it's concussion and sheer from a shell or close hit, or just the vibration of the guns going off.

OOC:
No air humidity above say 70% relative...not getting wet, mostuire in the air...most common modulators need air conditioning or to be totally sealed with a very good heat sink...

Oh, and I never said your ships were not possible, hell you've spent more time on them than most around here...I was just noting that most international based power supplies don't work well for American equipment and it's an added level of complexity, and nothing stopping you from meeting British specs with american tech or the other way around (people forget how specs are as important in how equipment is designed as anything, the U.S. could build a Challenger II style tank, but has a diffrent concept of warfare than the British)
Nothing here is insurmoutable, just increases both capitol and operating costs for the buggers

I just avoid the problem really...tend not to "mix and match" wouthout putting thought into having similar power needs...or at least mainaining one power supply type for an entire subsystem.

I'm not sure how diffrent the computer systems are actually, I'd suppose the U.S. really hasn't gotten out of Analog control until the late 90's...likely using a 14 bit system(based on a very screwy cost analysis report :? )...Russians, I have no clue...12 bit? Not great but then not a vast problem either in therms of translation...the one thing I've learned is...power modulators and electric motors don't like humid air...

Really here, I'm just taking my normal devil advocates position...my tendency since I spend a good deal of time cleaning up other peoples messes so I like things to be idiot proof as possible...oh, and I'm an Engineer (real answer Engineers will only agree to see problem most of the time, we are a very conservtive bunch)...:?

Lol, the japs often use US designed equipment in their self defence force (military) equipment. they have a few AEGIS ships, but where the US AEGIS ships are 70's tech radars and computers using 8 bit comps (SPY-1A), by the time the japs managed to persuade the US Congress to let them use AEGIS, the 32Bit Sun Microsystems chip was available, and the japs used that tech in their ships, so while the radar and reciever are the same, the computers analysing the results and the software running on them are a quantum leap ahead. yet the US are only just using 32 bit in the new SPY-1F, the SPY-1D, the most common US AEGIS System is 16 bit.

OOC: I never knew most AEGIS ships has 16 bit chips :shock: At least the B-2's computer system is the IBM 386, which is 32-bit...

The AEGIS system is early 70's research, and late 70's production. this predates the 8086 chip. the B2s are late 80's reasearch and production.

Calarca...if you don't mind my asking, where do you come from????

I'm just wondering, coz ur the only person I've ever seen who has included anything of Australian design in their bibles on military hardware...particularly the weapons/missiles themselves

We generally just scavenge off everybody else, and then sink our only aircraft carrier off our South East Coast...after it rams and sinks two of our Frigates, and after being rammed by some worthless drunken US captain. We sold the Skyhawk air arm that was on it to the New Zealanders in 1975...

They stopped using them last year :D

Also, no navy would be complete without a fully fitted and operational submarine fleet. I suggest the Collins Class...they're sweet, silent, deadly, and you don't have to worry about those brainless anti-nuclear protesters. They also have been tested and proven to be more effective than the LA class in sub vs sub warfare. They've also been sitting on our docks for the past few years while they try and replace their combat systems. :shock:

OOC: Australia had an A/C?
IC:

The monarchy of Ell wishes to procure a heavily armoured destroyer hull. Please advise of the costs.

OOC: Australia had an A/C?

Two. One was called the Swan I belive, now the name of a DDG. The other was the Canberra. One became an assault ship and troop transport. Both were ex-British, one was sold to India and I think it may still be floating around.

As to where I'm from, I'm a Kiwi, Just across the tasman from from Aussie, lol. I got the Ikara system off the specs for one of the older Rothsby class Frigates in the RNZN a few decades back (not all that few either). If they re-did it with the newer mini torps made for light ASW helos it would be a useful system again. So I include it, suitably tweeked in the specs to account for modern tech.

For the Collins, I have been thinking of the U214 from Germany, it's the next design on from the 212, which itself is an update of the famous 210 class. Faster, Quieter, Longer range and with Hydrogen fuel cells as well as diesels and batteries. supposed to get 300 hours rather than the 36 hours submerged the Collins does at best speed.


Ell: Hull alone is 290 million Calcs, or 269.7 Million USD. the price of the Armoured ships themselves are on the front page of this thread.
Upgrade from Tempered steel (solid heavy metal) to Advanced Layered Plate, (Naval Chobham :D lotsa ceramic, Titanium, spaces etc...) is an additional 30 million calcs.

Expensive, but steel costs a hell of a lot, and theres all that labour welding it all up into one solid lump, 8)

OOC: Australia had an A/C?
IC:

The monarchy of Ell wishes to procure a heavily armoured destroyer hull. Please advise of the costs.

I advise against armouring ships overly. Most missiles will penetrate over 12 inches of steel armour, about the only thing armour is good against is stopping smaller guns in close quarter battles and tends to lead to a great loss in speed. A lot of my earlier destroyers were decked out with 6" + but my newer ones usually don't have any to speak of. Just my two cents.

I thought the Ikara was still in use in Australia. Anyway I've stuck some of them on my frigates, I feel they're more reliable at hitting stuff than the Russian Stallions and so forth. But for real ASW potential, you can't beat a Starfish...

Sorry, you're probably quite fed up with my ramblings by now...

Calarca:
I think the two aircraft carriers were the Sydney and the Melbourne, but i'll have to check...also i noticed you didn't make any remarks about the NZDF's use of Skyhawks...any reason for this?? hehe :oops:

Calarca:
I think the two aircraft carriers were the Sydney and the Melbourne, but i'll have to check...also i noticed you didn't make any remarks about the NZDF's use of Skyhawks...any reason for this?? hehe :oops:

Nothing wrong with Skyhawks. In my opinion it was a big mistake getting rid of them. Although using them as air superiority fighters was possibly stretching their role a little...(is a NZlander as well)

OOC: Did NZ join the JTD fighter program (I know Britian did but wasn't sure about some of the other members of the commonwealth, Canada turned up its nose...) I think the Boing design was better as a long term fighter design even if it looked like a whale shark...

OOC: Did NZ join the JTD fighter program (I know Britian did but wasn't sure about some of the other members of the commonwealth, Canada turned up its nose...) I think the Boing design was better as a long term fighter design even if it looked like a whale shark...

New Zealand doesn't believe in Fighters. We currently have 0. Unless you count the Skyhawks they couldn't sell.

OOC: :lol: I'm sure your going to get some used Harriers from Britian when they switch to the F-22...or maybe just a few Buffalo's to fit the bill...

JTD or JSF?

Anyway I need the destroyer hull to be as well armored as a carrier. I'm going to need something to test my new missiles on. It doesn't have to be new therefore.

JTD or JSF?

Anyway I need the destroyer hull to be as well armored as a carrier. I'm going to need something to test my new missiles on. It doesn't have to be new therefore.

Our armoured destroyers have 8" of armour. a Nimitz has 1/2" steel plate. So are you sure you don't just want a normal ship? Our Calarcian Carrier is based on the BB hull with a flat deck and side superstructure, over 16" of armour.
We made a VTOL carrier by modifying the M.E.R.G. ship, 18" of armour.

We can sell you one of our older destroyers from our naval fleet for $128 million, it's stripped it's gearboxes and broke a shaft hitting a rock on exercises in an uncharted area, and is therefore being retired.


As to NZ joining the JSF (F-35) or the eurofighter program... there was talk before Labour won the election, but national changed that to the cancelled Pakistani F-16 order. they were built for Paki but before they were delivered Paki went and pissed of the US, hence the embargo and the cheap price (relatively) that NZ was gonna get them for, but then Labour went and cancelled the F-16 order and bought LAV 3s, which sink, when We should have bought M-113A3s, M-113A2 MTVLs or LAV2s both of which are amphibious, and a lot cheaper. Even the BTR-80 which we were offered for $260,000 a unit has better armour than the LAV3, which costs a hell of a lot more a unit. We should have kept the A-4Ks they and their Penguins/Mavericks were our only real chance of keeping enemy ships away from our coasts given we now only have 2 frigates.

I advise against armouring ships overly. Most missiles will penetrate over 12 inches of steel armour, about the only thing armour is good against is stopping smaller guns in close quarter battles and tends to lead to a great loss in speed. A lot of my earlier destroyers were decked out with 6" + but my newer ones usually don't have any to speak of. Just my two cents.


Only the SN-22 Sunburn missile has much chance of penetrating more than 4 inches of armour. The Tomahawk comes close, but is too slow, the harpoon is just too slow, they can be fitted with a dual warhead, part shaped charge and part simple explosive, but being subsonic airbreathers they just don't have the impetus to punch through, they tend to shatter on the side. WW2 destroyers from the ghostyard (Pa somewhere) have lept out Tomahawks.

The earlier missiles that made armour obsolete were V2 derived supersonic bruisers the size of a small areoplane, now they're small sophisticated subsonic missiles. the only thing to do much good against an Iowa these days is a nuclear tipped missile. A modern shaped charge missile will destroy a small area within the ship, but won't do much damage to anywhere outside the next bulkhead over.

Calarca:
I think the two aircraft carriers were the Sydney and the Melbourne, but i'll have to check...also i noticed you didn't make any remarks about the NZDF's use of Skyhawks...any reason for this?? hehe :oops:

Thanks, They are those two ships, I had the wrong two in mind. Aussie had a toss up in the 80's, should they replace the carriers or get some subs... well now they have the Collins.

I advise against armouring ships overly. Most missiles will penetrate over 12 inches of steel armour, about the only thing armour is good against is stopping smaller guns in close quarter battles and tends to lead to a great loss in speed. A lot of my earlier destroyers were decked out with 6" + but my newer ones usually don't have any to speak of. Just my two cents.


Only the SN-22 Sunburn missile has much chance of penetrating more than 4 inches of armour. The Tomahawk comes close, but is too slow, the harpoon is just too slow, they can be fitted with a dual warhead, part shaped charge and part simple explosive, but being subsonic airbreathers they just don't have the impetus to punch through, they tend to shatter on the side. WW2 destroyers from the ghostyard (Pa somewhere) have lept out Tomahawks.

The earlier missiles that made armour obsolete were V2 derived supersonic bruisers the size of a small areoplane, now they're small sophisticated subsonic missiles. the only thing to do much good against an Iowa these days is a nuclear tipped missile. A modern shaped charge missile will destroy a small area within the ship, but won't do much damage to anywhere outside the next bulkhead over.

I was under the impression a tomohawk could knock through up to 8, albeit not particularly effectively at the upper values.

The tomahawk possibly could, it would depend on the warhead type, a heavy dense warhead would be better than a light explosive load. It's structural strength of the missile that counts for penetration, and the tomahawk is a light missile, if it hit close to the launch point with a nearly full load of fuel it would have more chance than at the end of it's flight with no fuel left, more weight equals more momentum and more penetration.

The TK can penetrate about 18 inches of unreforced concrete, or 12 of reinforced, and 3 inches of reinforced concrete comes to about the same protection as 1 of steel. so 4 inches is on the limits. If the warhead explosive is cut down in size and a pointed steel cap is included it should do better.

We really need a proffesional ordanence engineer to settle this, lol. you know anyone in the Airforce who is in a tomahawk crew?

$128m has been wired to the Calarcan Bank account.

OOC: I'm trying to develop an anti-ship weapon deisgned to take out heavily armored ships. If I make a 500kg warhead (the Exocet has 165kg) with a DU tip at Mach 2, would that be able to take out heavily armored ships? (i.e Modern Cruisers, Aircraft Carriers, future carriers, etc)

(OOC) Well it would take out mine no problem...provided it could get past all the stuff that would be getting shot at it.
Now I believe that the Penguin 3 penetrates armour quite well, which is one of the reasons I have included it, although most of my somewhat lacking knowledge is derived from Fasta Benj.

(i.e Modern Cruisers, Aircraft Carriers, future carriers, etc)

Sorry I've been away the last few days.

Modern ships have CIWS and Point defence missiles. and no armour. The Krivas, Nimitz, Spruance, Arliegh Burke and Ticondaroga all have 1/2 inch steel hulls, except for the nimitz which has 3/4" secondary skin as well on the bottom for anti torpedo protection. their strength ceoms from internal stucture like bulkheads and load bearing walls. the hull does little more than keep out the water.

500Kg warhead means the structure, wings, rocket motor, guidence systems, batteries, etc will bring everything up to 1500-2000Kg or so at impact, at Mach 2 thats not far off what a 16" shell does. Say your missile does the same impact ratings as a Iowa gun from a launch weight of 3000Kg, using a solid fuel rocket motor weighing 1000Kg itself, and you should be Ok from the mad, anal retentive, physics quoting, godmod screamers, lol. the Phalanxes and Goalkeepers would probably knock out the guidence systems ahead of the DU cap, since they wouldn't be able to see through the cap and would therefore be in front, but if you have a Gyro or GPS system behind the DU cap sheltered from CIWS shells, then that could head the missiel for where it was aimed when the IR/Radar/RDF guidence system was destroyed, given the ranges of a CIWS, it would still have a 90+% chance of hitting.

The Penguin missile family are supersonic short range solid fuel rockets, with a large proprtion of their weight being fuel. this gives good penetration as compared to the harpoon, which has an air breathing subsonic liquid fueled motor, giving a small proportion of weight to fuel for a longer range per weight of engine and propellant.

For an example of speeds importance in penetration, do what I did for a high school physics class project, take a pair of identical squares of cardboard, and an identical pair of ripe tomatoes, nail each square of cardboard over a hole in a board, at one square, throw a tomato in a slow under-arm lob, the tomato will squish and splatter on the cardboard. Next, take to other tomato and throw it overarm fast and rapidly, the tomato will tear through the cardboard and spray all over the teacher standing behind it with his clipboard marking the class projects. You may have to take several tries to find the right grade of cardboard, but it does make a very graphic, and messy, display of why some missiles can penetrate, while others cannot.

How much would the fuel weigh if the range was between 30-40km?

How much would the fuel weigh if the range was between 30-40km?

I don't know the actual formula, but an educated guess, saying 500Kg of explosive, and 1500 for the structure, wings, guidence systems, etc... about 400Kg of high potency rocket fuel for 40Km, 1000KG for about 100. call it 10Kg a Km. Should be close enough. for proper guess, I'd have to get the books out of the library again, look at the all up weight of the missiles, warhead weight of the missiles, range of the missiles and propellant weight of the missiles. then work out what has how much to go how far... lol. hard work. for NS purposes, fudge it and guess.

Frigates, with IKARA ASW rocket system (rocket booster with a small antisub torpedo as warhead) as main armament, secondary armament of 12 cell VLS system loaded with 4 cells harpoons and 8 cells ESSM @ 4 per cell (32 missiles), 127mm gun, one CIWS 20mm Vulcan Cannon, two 3 tube topedo clusters. hangar space for 1 helicopter.
34 Knt speed or 14000NM range. CODAG with one MAN diesel and one LM2500 turbine. most economic crusing with MAN diesel, 16 Knt for 14000NM, LM2500 engaged for 34Knt and 6000NM range. weight 2,900 tons
195,000,000.00 Calcs


The Marimaian Naval Command would like to purchase 10 frigates with the above specs please *1.95 billion wired*

Wufei Mukase, Marimaian Defence Minister.

Mirimaia. Order confirmed, construction started, the ships will arrive in 1 NS year. (RL tomorrow)

Also the Calc is worth .93USD so I presume the 1.95 billion is in Calcs not USD

Mirimaia. Order confirmed, construction started, the ships will arrive in 1 NS year. (RL tomorrow)

Also the Calc is worth .93USD so I presume the 1.95 billion is in Calcs not USD

Indeed it is. We will probably visit your store again in the future, you have some excellent merchandise.

Bump. A new Carrier on the shop front page. go see page one, post one.

We assume that it is Free
No really what is the price...I need a medium sized carrier...or should I say six of them...To round out fleet although I am going to need to get good escort ships too...

We assume that it is Free
No really what is the price...I need a medium sized carrier...or should I say six of them...To round out fleet although I am going to need to get good escort ships too...

Ooops. sorry, I'll go and edit that, should also say 64 of F-14/Su-29 SIZE, lol, since not everyone fields those actual planes. About the same as a BB really slightly more, without planes. 1.31 Billion Calcs, or 1,218.3 million USD.

I'll also be making a Light escort Carrier, about 30 CTOL or 35 VSTOL plane size. Also an Medium Antisubmarine operations helicopter carrier for 24 ASW LAMPS-III or LAMPS-II helos and a flight of 6 to 8 S-3 Vikings with ASW outfits, with an air cover wing of 6-8 VSTOL or CSTOL fighters.

Can i Get 2 Medium Carriers No Aircraft included.

*2.62 Billion Calcs Wired*

Pacific Canada Gross Domestic Product
Population: 5,000,000
Civil Rights: Below Average
Economy: Strong
GDP per Capita: $12,500
GDP: $62,500,000,000
National Budget: $13,573,125,000

Percentage of GDP Spent on Defense: 4.34%
Percentage of Budget Spent on Defense: 20%
Military Budget: $2,714,625,000

http://www.pipian.com/stuffforchat/gdpcalc.php?nation=Pacific%20Canada&defenseprovided=1&defense=20&militarybudget=1

You're two days old. If you insist, well... I will sell, but it will flatten your military budget for a while. I advise you start small, maybe 2 GP frigates and a multirole destroyer first, in a few days and a few more mil pop, caome back for another few frigates and a cruiser and buy a carrier after a week of this when you have an escort group to protect it.

Also remember you will need to budget for ongoing maintence and wages etc, about 40-60% of your military budget for modern tech, less if it's just AK-47s etc.

read the "New to NS" thread sticky in the forum.

Ok. I'll Just Cancel that than

Ok. I'll Just Cancel that than

Regretfully returns money.

A general purpose frigate with a Lynx helo on the fightdeck would suit a new nation quite well, thats what they're designed for. then a while later the three larger frigates are longer ranged and have a hangar as well as more VLS weapons for a more effective longer ranged force envelope. then come the destroyers and Cruisers, long range powerful ships within their force envelope, and the BBS and Carriers at the top of the food chain.

As a new nation, My recommendation would be for:

6 Fast patrol missile craft, 408 million.
2 Frigates, Light general purpose. 298 million.
1 Frigate, AA. 210 million.

total cost 916 million Calcs or $851,880,000.00 USD. This is a fair coastal/EEC protection force that forms the nucleus of a larger force.

you could probably also afford a Multirole destroyer as the centerpiece of your budding fleet for a further 357,500,000.00 Calcs or $332,475,000.00 USD, bringing your total to USD1,184,355,000.00

Still less than half you military budget shown by the GDP calculator.

Six Medium sized carriers, please!

7.3098 (US) dollars wired. Thank you!

Ok. This time i'll work within the budget.
2 Frigates Light General Purpose 298 Million
1 Frigate,AA 210 Million.

For a total of 508 million Calcs Wired. how much is that in USD?

Ok. This time i'll work within the budget.
2 Frigates Light General Purpose 298 Million
1 Frigate,AA 210 Million.

For a total of 508 million Calcs Wired. how much is that in USD?

1 Calc buys .93 USD, so 472.33 million USD

Thank you for your purchase. Ships will arrive in 1 NS year. (tomorrow, time is flexible, but mostly for shop threads 1 year is 24 hours, based on the next issue showing up when on 1 issue per day. it's the time taken for the tax to be collected for one year)

Six Medium sized carriers, please!

7.3098 (US) dollars wired. Thank you!

Ships under construction, will arrive in 1 NS year. thank you for your purchase form Calarcian Shipbuilding.

Come to Glens Falls and endorse the delegate quickly. It's a takeover going on...

Come to Glens Falls and endorse the delegate quickly. It's a takeover going on...

Get your founder to password the region before the takeover succeds. then buy a bunch of battlegroups from my shop and go shoot the S**t out of the poor sods who tried to invade.

BUMP!

Come Buy my Warships!!

Six of your carriers...tell me what the total is...something like seven point two billion correct? Ah, I'm tired...I hate (american) football weekends...

Six of your carriers...tell me what the total is...something like seven point two billion correct? Ah, I'm tired...I hate (american) football weekends...

7,309.8 million. USD. Thankyou for your order, the ships will be completed and arrive in 1 NS year. (tomorrow RL)

OOC: How did the game go?

Bump

Money Wired...one got into a bit of trouble on her shakedown cruise...but nothing too bad

OOC: We were slaughtered....it appears we have a very dim witted quarterback...

We have a rather large order to place:

20 x IKARA Frigates = 3.9 billion
10 x Multirole Destroyers = 3,575,000,000
5 x Replenishment at sea ships = 1,325,000,000
2 x "Landing Craft Dock" = 580,000,000

Total comes to = 9,380,000,000 Calcs *money wired*

We have a rather large order to place:

20 x IKARA Frigates = 3.9 billion
10 x Multirole Destroyers = 3,575,000,000
5 x Replenishment at sea ships = 1,325,000,000
2 x "Landing Craft Dock" = 580,000,000

Total comes to = 9,380,000,000 Calcs *money wired*

Order confirmed, Ships will arrive in one NS year. (tomorrow RL)

Through I would hestistate to call it a large order, i wonce got an order for an entire fleet of 290 ships. Your order is 37, while I have 70 construction slips.

Thankyou for your order. your order is large enough to qualify for a 5% bulk discount. 469 million returned.

We are seeking to purchase 40 vessels with the following capabilities:

*Preferably no larger than a destroyer
*AEGIS radar
*High sustainable speed (>30 knots)
*Low Oberservability
*Deck space for one or two helicopters

Do you have a requirement for the weapon and missile loadout? i.e. minimum numbers of SAMs? torpedo tubes? 127 or 155 or 75mm guns? CIWS? or would a Phalanx sticking up be too much radar return?
We can fit a under-deck mounted 115mm gun on the Armstrong gun principle, this will allow a totally clear surface if VLS only is used. Do you have requirements as to range? is it long range patrol or short range coastal defence?


OOC: I'll find some DDX pics, remove the gun from the pic and use MS paint to draw a retracting gun system, it's simple enough to do. but will take up a lot of space, but with high automation, the space can come out of the reduce crew living quarters. coat the whole thing with the RAM fibrous panels from the Taniwha and it will be pretty undetecable to radar. with no protrusions.

We have a rather large order to place:

20 x IKARA Frigates = 3.9 billion
10 x Multirole Destroyers = 3,575,000,000
5 x Replenishment at sea ships = 1,325,000,000
2 x "Landing Craft Dock" = 580,000,000

Total comes to = 9,380,000,000 Calcs *money wired*

Order confirmed, Ships will arrive in one NS year. (tomorrow RL)

Through I would hestistate to call it a large order, i wonce got an order for an entire fleet of 290 ships. Your order is 37, while I have 70 construction slips.

Thankyou for your order. your order is large enough to qualify for a 5% bulk discount. 469 million returned.

290?! Wow.....well, 37 ships was a large order for me. :lol:

Do you have a requirement for the weapon and missile loadout? i.e. minimum numbers of SAMs? torpedo tubes? 127 or 155 or 75mm guns? CIWS? or would a Phalanx sticking up be too much radar return?
We can fit a under-deck mounted 115mm gun on the Armstrong gun principle, this will allow a totally clear surface if VLS only is used. Do you have requirements as to range? is it long range patrol or short range coastal defence?


OOC: I'll find some DDX pics, remove the gun from the pic and use MS paint to draw a retracting gun system, it's simple enough to do. but will take up a lot of space, but with high automation, the space can come out of the reduce crew living quarters. coat the whole thing with the RAM fibrous panels from the Taniwha and it will be pretty undetecable to radar. with no protrusions.

Keep the CIWS with the under-deck 115mm gun. I'm intending it to be an anti-carrier vessel for first strikes using indigenously produced long-range sea-skimming missiles.

the EAGM? Ok, That uses the same tube as a tomahawk? or the smaller Harpoon tube?

I'll go tax my imagination and R0x0r 1337 Photeshop skills.. :shock:

the EAGM? Ok, That uses the same tube as a tomahawk? or the smaller Harpoon tube?

I'll go tax my imagination and R0x0r 1337 Photeshop skills.. :shock:

Long-range sea launched version is the same size as the SS-22 (10m long). Air-dropped version (30km range) is compatible with Harpoon tubes.

These ships will repalce our inefficent Arleigh Burke-class Destroyers and uncapable MSS-class Destroyers:

30x Multirole Destroyers = $10.72 billion
20x Missile Destroyers = $11 billion
20x ALP Upgrade for Destroyers = $600 million

Total is: 22.32 billion

These ships will repalce our inefficent Arleigh Burke-class Destroyers and uncapable MSS-class Destroyers:

30x Multirole Destroyers = $10.72 billion
20x Missile Destroyers = $11 billion
20x ALP Upgrade for Destroyers = $600 million

Total is: 22.32 billion

Order Confirmed. Ships will arrive in one and a half NS year, (it takes longer to put on ALP than it does to make a thinskinned modern hull.)

(Day and a half IRL)

order is large enough for a 5% discount, price is actually $21.204 billion.

Also is that Calc or $ from the prices, some are in one and some are in the other, I'm to tired/drunk to go check the prices, I'll just take your word they're not over or undercharged through the wrong currency.



Ell, did you get my email? you like the ship? I'm still drawing the retractable gun, nearly finished tho. it'll be a skeleton mount style thing with a integral loader like the GAU-8's flexible tube connection between the breech and the magazine below. VLS's are the reloadable type due to sufficient space below them for a magazine, most of my designs mount the VLS in the foredeck with no room to reload underneath, no such problem here, can have 14-20 tubes Sea EAGM, too long to reload, and 12 tubes reloadable Mk 41 VLS with 40+ missiles in the magazine.

That's Calcs, sorry for the misleading. The money will be wired in Calarcan currency.

Money is wired.

Thankyou for Purchasing from Calarcian Shipbuilding Co Omz222.

We wonder if you can manufacture us 12 of these submarines, with the nuclear reactor provided by us:

Nuclear Guided Missile Submarine (SSGN)

---More quieter than the Ohio-class
---Can hold 50-60 Special Forces personels
---Have a 100-130-cell VLS, that can fire a variety range of land/ship attack missiles, including the standard Tomahawks, Harpoons, SLAMs, and the Ellan EAGM.

We can develope one, We've been rather desultary about making subs, but we have the knowledge. We can also increase diving depth to over 6000ft by using helium and low oxy mixes under high pressure internally within the hull to balance external water pressure, combined with a triple hull design involving an inner skin, covered with tubeular pipes welded onto the inner and outer hulls, and then an outer hull, all of titanium.

There will only be sufficient helium provided in tanks to allow one such dive without refilling from an external source, but as an emergency measure it would allow avoidance of enemies by descending deepter than they can manage to follow or track.

Titanium costs a lot so we can bring costs down by 40% by subsistuting Steel, but non-exeed depth will be 4400. Still, thats better than the 2100 feet the Ohio is limited to.

Ah, very good.

Can it "cruise" at about 1000-2000 ft, to allow the SOF/SEALs to swim onto the shore from the hatch on the sub?

Also, can this submarine be able to also fire heavy torpedoes, such as the Mk.48 ADCAP? We would also like torpedo-firing a secondary capability.

Can it "cruise" at about 1000-2000 ft, to allow the SOF/SEALs to swim onto the shore from the hatch on the sub?


Swimmers should be released from 200ft deep or less, below that is dangerous when surfacing. Due to dissolved gasses in the blood.

But yes it would be able to cruise at 2000feet. then come up to release divers at 200.

OOC: read the dragon in the sea by frank Herbert for a number of the design elements I'll be using.

The VLS and Torp bays will be entirely automated and permanently pressuriased and mounted before the personell portion, and the screws operated by magnetic induction, so all that penetrates through the personnell shell will be the crew and divers hatch, which will be heavily reinforced.

Understood. What is your inital stats for this submarine?

The 2 nuclear reactors in each submarine will be Honjak Electrics HE-N-993MK Nuclear reactors, producing 720,000 hp. We also would like 4 steam turbines in the submarine.

Our goal is also to have a 126-cell VLS, and 4 torpedo tubes.

OOC: Book stores here are... incomplete :P

Honjak Electrics HE-N-993MK Nuclear reactors, producing 720,000 hp.

Do you have sizes for these? I was thinking Hydrogen fuel cells and electric drive, with steam it can be noisy as pressure and speed changes on the prop travel through the gearing and stress the steam turbines, and steam turbines turning generators powering electrics is inefficent use of space...

Through when I think about it, I could have the generators inside and pipe the power to electric motors outside driving the screws without breaking the hull integrity and with more efficency than induction drive though the pressure hull, and no problems of torque development linked to speed. also no gearing noise ince the turbines and generators can be single shaft, no gears, and the electrics can also be direct drive, no reduction gearing, less mechanically to go wrong. if with more bits.

The size for these reactors will be similar to Ohio-class' S8G nuclear reactor.

But however, we will choose the hydrogen cell option. It seems to be a promising one now, after all.

OOC:

OK, Give me about a day RL to fiddle around with it. I've (Still) got to finish the retraction mechanism of the Ellian destroyers, even through in NS time they''l all have been delivered by now, I've emailed him the pics of the ship itself, and nice ones even if I say so myself.

Suberged time at 20Knt with Hydrogen fuel cells would expect to be about 3 weeks to 6 weeks. longer if i include more tanks.

OOC: Sure, no probs.

The neccesary costs have been wired to Calarca Shipbuidlers's accounts.

The Ellan Navy is interested in procuring another 120 of these vessels and 70 Taniwha SSATs. Please state the cost for the order.

General Hammond
Secretary of Defence

Omz.. Sorry to take so long with this, been locked off the computer due to insufficient cash in my comp account, I have a MS-Paint blueprinty thing available, and am looking for suitable proffessional line drawings now to edit. if you TM me your email I can send you the MS-paint schematic.

Basic premise is a weapons unit, a personnell unit, and an engine unit in an outer hull, the personnell unit to be perssurised to 10 ata with a helium and low oxygen ratio with added carbonic anhydrase, the outer hull holding the three main units together and streamlining everything to be pressurised to 4 ata. this pressuriseation enables the sub to dive deeper due to the increased resistance to outer pressure on the hull. also by using helium mix, divers/frogmen/SpecOps guys can set out deeper without having to worry so much about the bends.

Ship will be a bit larger than a Ohio class, but smaller than the Typhoon class SSBNs

Ell... Cost of the ships $490,000,000.oo each, Cost of the Taniwhas are $280,000,000.oo each, which is more than my frigates cost. UberhighTech has it's downside. We have 70 slips, 12 being taken by the Omzian order so we can deliver over 3 years, 40 per NS year.

The Taniwhas will require 18 months to manufacture, (1 1/2 RL Days) and can be delivered in one group at the end of that time.


OOC: now if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna go have a lie down, my hangover is killing me, had over a litre of cheap vodka last night...

OOC: No probs, looks good.

IC:

A little stats would be nice. Thank you again.

Neccesary payments have been wired.

Also, our goal for the sub's weapon:

-4-6 torpedo launch tubes, which can fire Mk.48s, or underwater rockets
-138-142 cell VLS

The electronics inside the sub will be installed ourselves.

OOC: TM for you.

4 command cruisers
12 guided missle, antiair
money wired upon confirmation

4 command cruisers
12 guided missle, antiair
money wired upon confirmation

Confirmed, ships will arrive in one year (NS, one day RL.)

The Ellan Navy wishes to procure an additional 24 MERG dreadnoughts. Costs of $132bn have been wired.

The Ellan Navy wishes to procure an additional 24 MERG dreadnoughts. Costs of $132bn have been wired.

Confirmed. Ships will arrive in 2 (NS) years. (two RL days.)

Greetings, Comrades!

The Protectorate of Grotia is interested in purchasing some naval equipment. What it the price of the following?

1 Cruiser, AEGIS
1 Destroyer,
4 Frigates, with IKARA ASW rocket system (rocket booster with a small antisub torpedo as warhead) as main armament
1 large Patrol Boat
1 replenishment at sea ship

Payment can be made in cash, insurance policies, or uranium. (Your choice!)

Ich Dien!

Blathering Idiot
Deputy Sub-Director for Military Acquistions and Bathtub Toys

Cruiser AEGIS = 350 Million Calcs.
Destroyer = 320 Million Calcs
ASW Frigates = 195 Million Calcs each
PBL = 105 Million Calcs
RAS = 265 Million Calcs

total = 1,820 Million Calcs.

in USD this is 1,692.6 million dollars.

Payment by Cash, We have more uranium than we need sitting in warehouses now, and we shoot insurance salesmen on sight.

We presume that this is to form an ASW combat patrol group? the units seem to be Ideal for an AntiSubmarine mission with sufficent AA and AS protection and replenishment to allow them to linger over the sea lines of communication looking for subs seeking to interdict your convoys.

30x Frigates, with IKARA ASW rocket system

Total is 5.85 billion

Omz, Order Confirmed, will arrive in onw NS year.

OOC: been away for a few days,

Thank you, money is wired.

i will take
2 Carrier, Medium size = 2,620,000,000.oo Calcs
5 Frigates, with 24 call VLS with 24 SM-2 STANDARD SAMs
=1,050,000,000.00 Calcs

total = $ 3,670,000,000.00 Calcs :D


Money Has been Sent.

Order confirmed, ships are being constructed now and will arrive in one NS year.

For planes to equip the carriers, Calarca can reccommend Ellian Aerospace or Omz222 planes.

The F-21 is a good Carrier capable plane, stealthier but with similiar performance to the F-15, this forms the backbone of the Calarican Naval Aviation squadrons. Suppoerted by A-4K SkyHawks.

The young Republic of CoreWorlds wish to purchase 1 multirole destroyer and 1 command cruiser, please. $755 million to be wired upon confirmation. This is the bulk of our purchase, if you're wondering.

P.S. How long to build in NS and RW?

Order confirmed. We are glad you deciede to purchase such a solid and reliable product which will work hard for you navy for many years.

Delivery will be in one NS year, (one day RL)

(OOC) Hoorah for the A4!
I'm using the A-4M, but for the life of me I can't remember whats special about it atm :P
For true carrier fun have you thought about the Su-25UTG? Its like a little Russian A-10. It has a NNPU-8M 30mm gun and 10 underwing hardpoints.

http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/vvs/planes/su25utg_001.jpg

It's got a few modifications.better engine than the previous models, same drag chutes as the 4K's I use, square tip to the fin and entirely new avionics.

A new version of the aircraft, called A-4M Skyhawk II, is equipped with a ASB-19 Hughes bombing system, an ALR-45 radar, an ALR-50 radar warmer, an ALE-39 countermeasures system and a Marconi Head-Up Display

http://frenchnavy.free.fr/aircraft/skyhawk/skyhawk.htm

http://home.att.net/~jbaugher4/newa4_17.html

But the 4Ms use 1970s avionics while the 4K's were earlier models (4F's bought '68/'69 plus 4G's from the RAAF) that became 4K's after a total refit in the late '80s (Project Kahu, with appropriate Avionics.

The Armed Republic of Holy France would like to formally request construction of 1 Command Cruiser, 2 Guided Missile Antiship Destroyers, 3 Multirole Destroyers, 5 Patrol Boats, and a Replenishment at Sea Ship. Forgive the large size of the order, but Holy France is the foremost military power of the ever swelling XaN CoKe region, and appropriate anti-ship and anti-plane defense is desperately required. Please inform me if any addtional upgrades are available, and the final price of the order. Money will of course be shipped when the order is confirmed. Also, if a greater anti-ship or anti-plane naval combination would be better, please make that known. The nation of Holy France thanks you for your kindness in supplying us and skill in producing.

Respectfully,
James Lassiter
Chief Ambassador

Cruiser, Command, AEGIS = 350,000,000.00 Calcs
Destroyer, AS, x2 = 640,000,000.00 Calcs
Destroyer, Multirole, x3 = 1,072,500,000.00 Calcs
Patrol boat (Missile), x5 = 340,000,000.00 Calcs \
or Patrol Boat (Large), x5 = 525,000,000.00 Calcs --- which type do you want?
RAS = 265,000,000.00 Calcs

ships will be delivered in 1 year (NS time, tomorrow RL)


This is not a large order, we have 70 slips and have built orders of 195 ships before.

While the destroyers and the cruiser make a very powerful core of a fleet, I am surprised at the lack of smaller frigate size ships, the Patrol boats are really to small to deploy as escort screens for the larger ships. the open water capability of the PB(L)'s is designed more as a means of deploying them to overseas patrol areas than as open ocean escorts. that is what Frigates are designed for.