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NOTE: Updated specs, prices, + models 4-27-03
---THE NEW, HIGH-CAPACITY VLS SYSTEMS ARE NOW AVAILABLE---

We have decided to offer some new, revolutionary technology at a very decent price. We present the Trimaran Surface Naval Vessel (C) or Trimaran Warship(C). Although it has been privately provided and offered previously, this is our first wide-spread public announcement. This is proprietary technology and cannot be reproduced without license.

We are very proud of the previous performances of our ships in the Delugian and Aranian conflicts. They have had spectacular battle demonstrations well exceeding the minimum expected performance and very near surpassing the best that we had expected.

The innovative and Patented Trimaran (3-hulled) System(R) endow the vessels with certain benefits including:
--Reduced hull resistance (up to 20% reductions), making ship much more fuel efficient and thus has a longer range,
--Greater stability, allowing the use of heavier and taller equipment that might endanger a monohull's balance, enhanced ability to accommodate future equipment renovations and upgrades, stability and maneuverability over rough seas, and a stable landing platform under many conditions,
--Great maneuverability due to three engines and less resistance, also allows a greater power to weight ratio,
--Unusually large deck area (increase of about 40%) for small vessels, very useful for helicopter landings,
--Survivability, the outer hulls allow the ship to survive what might be an otherwise deadly torpedo or missile strike. The armored but mostly auxiliary facilities in these hulls serve as protection for the vital internal systems,
--Scalability, the same trimaran concept is applicable from small destroyers and patrol vessels all the way up to Heavy Cruisers and Aircraft Carriers (NOTE: Due to studies of modern naval warfare, there are no plans for the production of battleships as more effective and cost-efficient smaller vessels perform many battleship tasks better and with greater ease and mobility),
--All of the vessels have electric motors, which means that the power source need not be immediately adjacent to the propulsion system. The vessels are also equipped with dual-redundant fiber optic cable control systems. These factors provide greater survivability in conflicts and easier maintenance of the vessels.

STANDARD EQUIPMENT AND CAPABILITIES
In addition, the ships have been designed to have a low radar cross-section in recognition of a movement towards 'stealth' ships. All of the appropriate ships have AEGIS missile systems and surface-to-surface missiles. All units are equipped with unit-identification beacons for the Digital Theatre Combat Control/Coordination System (DT3CS). Many have a pod of Sea Sparrow missiles to defend against Anti-Ship cruise missiles and all are equipped with either Sea Sparrows or the RIM-66/67 standard missile pods. The main guns for the Cruiser are 1, 6in Cannon and 2, 5in cannons.

Note: Many 5 in guns are upgraded to the Mk45 Mod4 5" system. This upgraded system has greater automation that can identify different rounds and make adjustments to accomodate each type. The barrel is lengthened from 54 caliber to 62 caliber. The barrel is designed to stand much higher firing energies and can fire normal rounds slightly farther than the old styleguns. The Cruisers, Heavy Cruiser, and Destroyer main guns have been updated and others will follow later. The gun allows greater flexability in anti-ship and anti-air as well as bombardment roles.

Upcoming improvements include the following: The formation of a ground-support destroyer with 155mm guns, the spread of Cobham-style armor to ships below the Heavy Cruiser, more models.
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The Trimaran Warships(tm) are equipped with small watercraft and a mix of H-60 battle transport helicopter models including Blackhawks, Pavehawks, Seahawks, and Pavehawks as is prudent and specified. The default equipment is the basic Blackhawk. Upgrades and specified modifications are extra but will be made as possible. The costs of the helicopters are the current market price (about $9-$14M) and are NOT included in the stated price.

PRICING
The asked-for prices are:
$240M per GM Cruiser (16-missile array, Helicopter-enabled)
$860M per GM Cruiser (64-missile array, Helicopter-enabled)
$1.2 Bn per GM Cruiser (127-missile array, Helicopter-Enabled)]

$1.1Bn per Heavy Bombardment Cruiser (16-missile array, 4-155mm shore bombardment guns in 2-double batteries, 3-6in guns, 4- 5in guns, added experimental combham-style armor, Helicopter-enabled)
NOTE: An MLRS system can be installed in the place of 2 of the 5in guns and 1 of the 155mm double batteries. There is some added cost involved, probably $4 million, comes armed with rockets.

$220M per FD Destroyer (anti-submarine or anti-air, 16-missile VLS array, Helicopter-enabled)
$260M per FD Destroyer (anti-submarine or anti-air, 24-missile VLS array)

$260M per GM Destroyer (guided-missile, 24-missile array, Helicopter-enabled)
$940M per GM Destroyer (guided-missile, 96-missile array, Helicopter-enabled)

$195M per GM Frigate (Guided-missile, 16-missile array, Helicopter-enabled)
$900M per GM Frigate (Guided-missile, 80-missile array, Helicopter-enabled)

$178M per ASW Frigate (anti-submarine, 8-missile VLS array)
VLS meant for ASW (Anti-Submarine) torpedos (4 come with) as well as rail-launched ASROCs, Helicopter-enabled). NOTE: for $2M/unit can be upgraded with ship-based mine-sweeping gear)
$238M per ASW Frigate (anti-submarine, 16 VLS array) other specs same as above.

$150M per Corvette (Helicopter-enabled), Baseline 2 equipment
$185M per Corvette (Guided-missile, 8-missile array) Baseline 2 equipment
--Possible "mini" depending on other factors, (pers ref: s'ar 5)

$130M per Fast Attack Missile Boat (called FAMB, AKA "Nirit"), Specs below

$4.5M per Shaldag Mk II Patrol Boat, specs below
$4M per Super Dvora Mk II Patrol Boat, specs below

for these patrol boats as well as the Nirit, the following options are available
$14,500 per "Ma Duce" Browning M2 0.50cal machine gun (for MiniTyphoon)
$35,000 per miniTyphoon Remote Stabilized Weapons System
$17,000 per "Ma Duce" Browning M2 0.50cal machine gun (for manually control on mounted base)

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FUTURE:
-- Carrier (possibly both VTOL/heli and "conventional")
-- Fast Transport, undisclosed design, many classes of diverse roles, due out soon...specs being written up
-- Introduction of the Dolphin
-- Introduction of the AUSV/Manta + Accomodations
-- Small, fast patrol vehicle (pers ref:SupDevra)
The troop/materiel transporter will come out soon, the previous price has been recalled for it will not cover much of costs. The capacity will be very large.
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These are the prices at regular production (i.e. at least 5 ships being ordered). Costs of less than 5 are 10% to 15% more than stated since small runs are hard to start and without much pay-off. Prices are subject to change with notification.

Additional Tomahawk ASUW (Strike Anti-Surface) cost about $1.5M with purchase or $2M without. Also available for VLS use are the TBMD (Theater Ballistic Missile Defense), VL-ASROC (anti-submarine), RIM-67 and Sea Sparrow missile canisters (Ship Self Defense and multi-purpose S2S weapon), Additional weapons now include the LASM (Land Attack Standard Missile), a modified RIM-67 with a 200mi inland range. The "Affordable Weapon" is set to become available soon, a Cruise-like missile with a range comparable to the Tomahawk at a durastically lower price.

If special configurations of a class are desired, the order size must be for a minimum of 10 ships at full price with other charges since the new configuration requires a new production system, but further vessels will be at the reduced price. This is only for special cases however and many systems can be exchanged without significant problems. (note: some weapons systems will cost extra, others less, and this reality will be demonstrated in the final prices).

SPECIAL AVAILABLE CONFIGURATIONS
There are several special types of Trimaran Warships(tm) in production right now, including:
-- Cruisers (NOTE: with extra funds and approval, comes with MTHEL (Mobile Tactical High-Energy Laser) ABM system)
-- Fleet-defense Destroyers are either a(n) a) AA-equipped vessels with additional SA and/or ABM configurations*, OR b) Anti-AntiShip Cruise Missile (with extra SeaSparrow and/or RIM-67 pods) configuration , OR c)Standard (counter-submarine) configuration

* The AA/ABM version has, in addition to the standard Destroyer defenses, additional AA capabilities in the form of SAM and AA gun batteries and Arrow and MTHEL (Mobile Tactical High-Energy Laser) ABM batteries with accompanying systems. 2 SAM (18 missiles) or 2 MTHEL (2 targeting stands with power source) or 1 Arrow (6 missiles) battery is in each sub-category. A mix is possible. Most vessels come with 2-4 AA gun batteries. The ships have extra Sea Sparrow and Rim-67 missiles against a variety of targets.
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VESSEL DESCRIPTIONS FOLLOW:
Corvette
Displacement for a 95m (~285ft) model is 950 metric tons. The vessels have an official top speed of about 50 knots. Capable of supporting helicopter landings and launches with masses of 5 metric tons. Range is 4,000 nautical miles and the ship can operate at sea in up to state 6 and can operate in open seas. The ship is specifically designed to present a reduced radar cross-section. The ship is equipped with the most modern sensor and radar equipment.
There is a multi-tiered defensive system, as on all other Trimarans, that involves both EW/CM(electronic warfare/couintermeasures), flares, decoys, Phalanx-type CIWS, Sea Sparrows or RIM-67s, and the Barak-1 Ship Point Defense Missile System.

Also Equipped with 1-5 in cannon placed on the foredeck. Other armaments include 1 Dutch "goal keeper" or Phalanx CIWS, 16 Sea Sparrows or RIM-67s in pods, 8 Harpoon sea-to-sea missiles (2 quad launchers), and 64 Barak missiles (launch from 1 32-missile miniVLS arrays as a part of the Barak-1 Ship Point Defense Missile System). And other Command, control and defense systems.

There is a choice of either 4 surface-to-surface VLS-launched cruise missiles(included!) in 8 VLS launch positions OR, a helicopter pad with equipment and facilities for 1 helicopter.
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"Nirit" Fast Attack Missile Boat
Displacement for a 62m (~186ft) model is 490 metric tons. The vessels have an official top speed of 55 knots. Range is 3,000 nautical miles and the ship can operate at sea in up to state 6 and can operate in open seas. The ship is specifically designed to present a reduced radar cross-section. The ship is equipped with the most modern sensor and radar equipment.
There is a multi-tiered defensive system, as on all other Trimarans, that involves both EW/CM(electronic warfare/couintermeasures), flares, decoys, Phalanx-type CIWS, Sea Sparrows or RIM-67s, and the Barak-1 Ship Point Defense Missile System.
Further equipped with a 76mm (3in) gun placed on the fore deck. A Vulcan Planks anti-missile and anti-aircraft gun OR Phalanx CIWS, 8 Sea Sparrows OR RIM-67s in pods. 8 Harpoon sea-to-sea missiles (2 quad launchers). 32 Barak missiles (launch from 1 32-missile miniVLS arrays as a part of the Barak-1 Ship Point Defense Missile System). And other Command, control and defense systems.
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Super Dvora Mk II Patrol Boat
25m long, with a displacement of only 60 tonnes. It is capable of operating under almost all weather conditions. It is armed with a remotely-controlled and stabilized (by a Typhoon G) 20mm Gun. It is possible to fit another smaller gun or two (7.62 NATO or .50 cal) based on a miniTyphoon or operated conventionally, but at least one operator is required and some fuel capacity is degraded. It has up to a 10 man crew, though it can be run with 5 at more than decent capacity. The top speed is over 50 knots. Has a search light and standard navigation radar.
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The Shaldag Mk II Patrol Boat
24m long, and has weapons capacity similar to the Super Dvora, but can operate at almost 60knots for fast interdictions. The ship has some upgraded control systems but is generally considered to be the replacement for old Super Dvoras. The Shaldag is still in planning and will be slightly more expensive, but will be out in the future. Also has a system that can be used for long range day-and-night detection and identification of vessels.


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For descriptions of other vessels, ask and the data will be gathered for your benefit.


R.C. Pressman
Sec. of State,

J. Gatz
Weapons Trade Representative


P.S.-- We are also to roll out our Maccabi Fighting Vehicle {MFV) with capabilities in the range of the better-known Bradley but adapted for our preferences. Also on the upcoming list are a VTOL/Heli aircraft carrier, and perhaps a normal aircraft carrier. The Helicopter specs will be separated and prices will be added to missile offerings.


OOC: If you think that all of the offers are ridiculous then you might want to check up on your military tech. Trimarans are already on the planning boards in the US and Britain and tests have been run on both a warship-type demonstrator and a ferry-style troop and materiel transporter. Both have had good results, just do a google search and look at some of the declassified/open reports on the two. All of the points that I stated come directly from these sources and all of the armaments are reasonable for tbe type, size, and cost of the ship and some are already planned for the Brit version. I've actually had to raise the price significantly to meet real-world expected/projected/target costs for this type of ship. All of the weaponry that we have announced (M117 APCs, Merkava MBTs, current Airplanes, personal weaponry, ABM systems, and the like) are not only theoretically possible but deployed in combat or as active parts of national armies in the 1st World countries.

NOTE: GUDA members will get a special price, just ask me in telegram or on this thread for the discount price. Previous buyers in good standing will get ships of previously purchased models at the old price-- consider it a thank you for funding the initial run of ships.

The Democratic States of The Hoodies is interested in you offer and will be willing to purchase 100 of these vessels. Please contact us over the thread.


Mr. Mars
Master General
The Democratic States of The Hoodies

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::stops looking for naval vessels::

When can I start again?

A laser cannon would be fairly useless for ship to ship warfare. Due the the curvature of the Earth, the range of such a weapon for sea targets would be limited to about five miles.

Personally, I would prefer some ship to ship missiles, or some long-range torpedos.

My nation is interested in your troop and supply carriers, do you also manufacture small defensive skimships? Torpedo boats would also be excellent.

What would it cost to outfit the carrier with 50mm H.E.X. Shell anti-aircraft turrets? Or any other anti-aircraft weapons (we'd be interested in a laser turret as well, SAMs would be preffered over the H.E.X. launchers)?

Also, how many cubic meters do the carriers hold.

Signed,

Prime Minister Mao-Ji Shang

A laser cannon would be fairly useless for ship to ship warfare. Due the the curvature of the Earth, the range of such a weapon for sea targets would be limited to about five miles.

Personally, I would prefer some ship to ship missiles, or some long-range torpedos.

If you are refering to the MTHEL system, then you might want to re-read the description: it is an ABM (anti-ballistic missile) system. In Rl World tests, they have been able to successfully shoot an artillery shell out of the sky as well as SCUD-type missiles. They are useful against nuclear strikes and such attacks from land sources. The Phalanx system is for defense against anti-ship missiles, though it is conceivable that the MTHEL system might be used in such a role.


The Hoodies said:

The Democratic States of The Hoodies is interested in you offer and will be willing to purchase 100 of these vessels. Please contact us over the thread.

OOC:Wow, I didn't quite expect this much response!
IC: State which types and with what configurations and we will present you with the price and date of delivery. We will probably have to deliver the ships to you in 10-vessel shipments every month or so (1day, rl time) once production begins.


Sniper Country said:

This is very intriguing. Tell us, you wouldn't happen to have any cruisers smaller than a corvette, would you? Say, 500 tonnes?

OOC: I might have to increase that mass just to make it realistic when fully loaded...but it will stay for now.

IC: We could down-size it to a coastal patrol model at about 300 tons. Check here: http://navysite.de/ships.htm for armaments and other such relative info. There will be a difference, but that is a good framework.

The corvette version is currently being demonstrated for your officials at the Biannual Sniping Competition that you are hosting. We hope that they like what they see.



The SLAGlands said:

::stops looking for naval vessels::

When can I start again?

OOC: Once you look at mine :D


Shien Gong said:

My nation is interested in your troop and supply carriers, do you also manufacture small defensive skimships? Torpedo boats would also be excellent.

What would it cost to outfit the carrier with 50mm H.E.X. Shell anti-aircraft turrets? Or any other anti-aircraft weapons (we'd be interested in a laser turret as well, SAMs would be preffered over the H.E.X. launchers)?

Also, how many cubic meters do the carriers hold.

We haven't figured out the troop carrier stats yet (OOC: I'm still researching the vessel). As for a small defensive ship, see my note to SC. I think that I'll bring one out when we have time to research the matter. (OOC: If you could telegram me the questions then I will be reminded to look up all the answers)


OOC: Whew!
IC: We thank you all for your interest.

R.C. Pressman
Sec. of State,

J. Gatz
Weapons Trade Representative

Okay.

::looks at Western Asia's navy::

::keeps looking::

The Dominion of Wazzu is interested in three of these vessels:
1 fully outfitted cruiser (but without MTHEL system).
2 fully outfitted anti-submarine destroyers.

We are also (potentially) interested in all three (Pavehawk, Seahawk, and Blackhawk) helecopter types, and would like more information on them.

On notification of cost, payment will be 3/4ths imediately, and 1/4th on delivery.

We look forward to adding the capibility of your ships to our tiny but growing navy.

Dr. Helena Meyer, Wazzu Minister of Defense

The Dominion of Wazzu is interested in three of these vessels:
1 fully outfitted cruiser (but without MTHEL system).
2 fully outfitted anti-submarine destroyers.

We are also (potentially) interested in all three (Pavehawk, Seahawk, and Blackhawk) helecopter types, and would like more information on them.

On notification of cost, payment will be 3/4ths imediately, and 1/4th on delivery.

We look forward to adding the capibility of your ships to our tiny but growing navy.

Dr. Helena Meyer, Wazzu Minister of Defense

Glad to be doing business with you.
The Cruiser will come to $240M USD with a 16-missile VLS array four are included (a 64-missile array version is $900M USD sans missiles), and the two destroyers will be $460M USD. The total, with charges, is $745 million USD. Are you sure that your country has the economy to support the purchase?

As for the transport helicopters, Pavehawks come at about $10M USD but are the very basic version. More info is available here: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/h-60.htm

We will bring various versions out soon, but so far the costs are all built into the total cost. Available now (included) is three (3) for the cruiser (basic seahawk cargo/personnel carrier) and one (1) for each destroyer (with counter-sub version of the seahawk).


We appreciate your business.

R.C. Pressman
Sec. of State,

J. Gatz
Weapons Trade Representative

Glad to be doing business with you.
The Cruiser will come to $240M USD with a 16-missile VLS array four are included (a 64-missile array version is $900M USD sans missiles), and the two destroyers will be $460M USD. The total, with charges, is $745 million USD. Are you sure that your country has the economy to support the purchase?

As for the transport helicopters, Pavehawks come at about $10M USD but are the very basic version. More info is available here: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/h-60.htm

We will bring various versions out soon, but so far the costs are all built into the total cost. Available now (included) is three (3) for the cruiser (basic seahawk cargo/personnel carrier) and one (1) for each destroyer (with counter-sub version of the seahawk).


We appreciate your business.

R.C. Pressman
Sec. of State,

J. Gatz
Weapons Trade Representative

Indeed, our nation has more then enough funds for this small transfer (OOC: Lookup Wazzu in the world, same region, The Alliance of Northmen...I lost my ability to post with my other account). We would like to buy 12 additional missiles for the VLS (16 missile version) array, but are otherwise happy with the deal. We will stick with the helecopters that come with the ships. As soon as the final price is calculated, 75% will be deposited in the appropriate account.

Dr. Helena Meyer, Wazzu Minister of Defense

Glad to be doing business with you.
The Cruiser will come to $240M USD with a 16-missile VLS array four are included (a 64-missile array version is $900M USD sans missiles), and the two destroyers will be $460M USD. The total, with charges, is $745 million USD. Are you sure that your country has the economy to support the purchase?

As for the transport helicopters, Pavehawks come at about $10M USD but are the very basic version. More info is available here: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/h-60.htm

We will bring various versions out soon, but so far the costs are all built into the total cost. Available now (included) is three (3) for the cruiser (basic seahawk cargo/personnel carrier) and one (1) for each destroyer (with counter-sub version of the seahawk).


We appreciate your business.

R.C. Pressman
Sec. of State,

J. Gatz
Weapons Trade Representative

Indeed, our nation has more then enough funds for this small transfer (OOC: Lookup Wazzu in the world, same region, The Alliance of Northmen...I lost my ability to post with my other account). We would like to buy 12 additional missiles for the VLS (16 missile version) array, but are otherwise happy with the deal. We will stick with the helecopters that come with the ships. As soon as the final price is calculated, 75% will be deposited in the appropriate account.

Dr. Helena Meyer, Wazzu Minister of Defense

In light of the large cost of the Tomahawk Cruise missiles (assuming that this is what you meant) and weighted against your good business and our continuing production of the Tomahawks (no start-up fees), 12 Tomahawks will only cost you $18M USD.


The total bill is $763 Million USD. Glad to have done business with you.
We appreciate your good will.

R.C. Pressman
Sec. of State,

J. Gatz
Weapons Trade Representative

Are their any other interested parties?

Nargothrand would like to order 10 frigates and 6 guided-missile destroyers. If possible, we would like 3 of those frigates to be fitted with mine-sweeping equipment.

OOC: Whoops, wrong country.

Nargothrand would like to order 10 frigates and 6 guided-missile destroyers. If possible, we would like 3 of those frigates to be fitted with mine-sweeping equipment.

Basic Frigates are counter-submarine ships with sonar and such detectors, so mine-sweeping gear isn't too far off. It will be an additional $2M/UNIT for the upgrade.

Confirmed:
7 normal frigates @ $178M/unit = $1.246B ($1,246,000,000)
3 mine-sweeping mod Frigates @ $200M/unit = $600M ($600,000,000)
6 guided-missile Destroyers @ $260M/unit = $1.560B ($1,560,000,000)

Total cost (with charges for helicopters and equipment included): $3.5B ($3,500,000,000)

At least 1/3 of the payment is expected to cover initial production costs and the rest upon delivery. Half of the Frigates and half of the Destroyers can be expected later this week and the rest a month later (OOC: today and tomorrow). We thank you for your patronage and we hope that you are completely satisfied with our goods.


R.C. Pressman
Sec. of State,

J. Gatz
Weapons Trade Representative

I WANT ONE OF EVERYTHING

NOTE: TO THOSE WHO HAVE ALREADY GIVEN ORDERS BUT WHO HAVE NOT BEEN QUOTED A PRICE:
I need the names and configurations of the vessels you want!!! "100 vessels" is not specific enough. "100 frigates" is ok, but I'll just give you a distribution as according to my nations views on the employment of naval vessels.


For personal benefit, the following requests have been received either in this thread or by telegram that have yet to be resolved. Those with a quoted price are at the bottom.

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I WANT ONE OF EVERYTHING
See the above message....this too is WAY too broad with all of the configs available.



Telegram 1: I would like to buy 30 of your new Navy ships.
Telegram 2: 3 mine-sweeping mod Frigates @ $200M/unit = $600M ($600,000,000)
I saw it in your post. Looked interesting.

Telegram 1:This falls under the abovementioned caution. Please be more specific
Telegram 2: Perfect example of what to do. Sold: 3 Frigates with mine-sweeping mod, total cost, with extra charges, is $645M. The extra cost is due to the cost of the Seahawks, the modification of the Seahawks, the armament of the vessels, production run, and shipping costs.


The Democratic States of The Hoodies is interested in you offer and will be willing to purchase 100 of these vessels. Please contact us over the thread.
I still need the types/configs/mods of the vessels you seek.


My nation is interested in your troop and supply carriers, do you also manufacture small defensive skimships? Torpedo boats would also be excellent.

What would it cost to outfit the carrier with 50mm H.E.X. Shell anti-aircraft turrets? Or any other anti-aircraft weapons (we'd be interested in a laser turret as well, SAMs would be preffered over the H.E.X. launchers)?

Also, how many cubic meters do the carriers hold.
The small vessels are in the design and evaluation phase, torpedo boats are under deliberation since the other vessels have VLS-capable torpedos that can be used to cover 360° around the launching vessel, instead of only a few degrees from the direction of launch horizontally. The MTHEL system (is that what you meant by "laser turret"?) COULD theoretically target aircraft, but we find the SAMs and anti-air gun batteries to usually suffice.

As to the troop/materiel transports, we do not have a definite number as the design (ooc: research) phase is yet to be completed or finalized.


I would like to purchase 4 Cruisers, with the MTHEL ABM system if possible, 2 Frigates, 2 Guided-missile Destroyers, and 2 of the Fleet-defense Destroyers. For the FDDs, we would like one with the first config and one with the second.

Note: 1 Anaguumian credit=About 8 USD
Thank you for the clear lay-out of your order.

Upon review of our intelligence on your country, we must say that more could be done for the rights of your people, but we will allow you to do as you will. Our Arms Export Control Board has decided to allow two of your Cruisers to be equipped with the $220M MTHEL ABM system. For the frigates, I believe that you mean the counter-submarine version? Correct me if I have erred.

Costs/Prices:
4X Cruisers (Standard 16-missile array) @ $240M/unit = $960M
2X MTHEL ABM system upgrades to Cruisers@ $220M/unit = $440M
2X Frigates (counter-submarine) @ $178M/unit = $356M
2X GM Destroyers (guided-missile, 8-missile VLS array and 2 Quad Harpoon Anti-Ship missile launchers) @ $260M/unit = $260M
1X FD Destroyer (Standard config) @ $230M/unit = $230M
1X FD Destroyer (AA config) @ $230M/unit = $230M

Total (with charges): $2.58bn

It should be noted that no missiles have been included in the VLS systems of the GMDs and Cruisers (though there are 4 VLS ASW (Anti-Submarine) torpedos included aboard the Counter-sub Frigates).

I would like to purchase 4 Cruisers, with the MTHEL ABM system if possible, 2 Frigates, 2 Guided-missile Destroyers, and 2 of the Fleet-defense Destroyers. For the FDDs, we would like one with the first config and one with the second.

Note: 1 Anaguumian credit=About 8 USD
Thank you for the clear lay-out of your order.

Upon review of our intelligence on your country, we must say that more could be done for the rights of your people, but we will allow you to do as you will. Our Arms Export Control Board has decided to allow two of your Cruisers to be equipped with the $220M MTHEL ABM system. For the frigates, I believe that you mean the counter-submarine version? Correct me if I have erred.

Costs/Prices:
4X Cruisers (Standard 16-missile array) @ $240M/unit = $960M
2X MTHEL ABM system upgrades to Cruisers@ $220M/unit = $440M
2X Frigates (counter-submarine) @ $178M/unit = $356M
2X GM Destroyers (guided-missile, 8-missile VLS array and 2 Quad Harpoon Anti-Ship missile launchers) @ $260M/unit = $260M
1X FD Destroyer (Standard config) @ $230M/unit = $230M
1X FD Destroyer (AA config) @ $230M/unit = $230M

Total (with charges): $2.58bn

It should be noted that no missiles have been included in the VLS systems of the GMDs and Cruisers (though there are 4 VLS ASW (Anti-Submarine) torpedos included aboard the Counter-sub Frigates).

We are currently working on giving more rights to our people and we hope to have this done soon. Our recent war has marred the process a bit. As for the frigates, yes I did mean the counter-sub config. My apologies for not making that clear. Payment is on the way now. It was nice doing business with you and I'm sure these ships will serve us well.

Anaguum,
We thank you for your business and hope that you are well-served by our vessels. The ships are ready now, would you like them to be shipped or will you be piloting them out? If you need anything else just tell us.

Further requests have been received,
If you have not received a quote for your request, look at the above post for my response.


I saw you were selling naval ships...
I'd like to get the following

1xCruiser (64-missile array)
1xDestroyer (anti-submarine, fully outfitted)
1xDestroyer (guided-missile)
2xFrigate (Guided-missile, 16-missile array)

I'll pay half saturday and half on delivery

Certainly,
1xCruiser (64-missile array) @$900M= $900M
1xDestroyer (anti-submarine, fully outfitted) @$230M= $230M
1xDestroyer (guided-missile) @$260M= $260M
2xFrigate (Guided-missile, 16-missile array) @$195M= $390M

The total cost, with charges for 5 helicopters and other miscellania, is: $1.84bn

Glad to do business with you



Western Asia, I would like to place an official order.

5 Corvettes (230 Mil each)4 with helicopter pad, one with missles
4 Cruisers (240 Mil each) 16-missle config.
1 Cruiser (900 Mil) 64-missle config.

Telegram me back the final price, in Keirian Dollars if you please, the exchange rate for the Keirian Dollar is 2.5 KD per 1 USD


4X Corvettes (Helicopter-enabled) @ $225M (credited back against cruise missiles)= $900M
1X Corvette (Guided-missile, 8-missile array) w/4 Tomahawks included @ $230M= $230M
4X Cruisers (16-missile array, Helicopter-enabled)@ $240M= $960M
1X Cruiser (64-missile array, Helicopter-enabled)@ $900M= $900M

The total cost, with charges for 9 helicopters and other miscellania, is: $3.1bn USD or $7.75Bn KD


Glad to do business with you

Western Asia:

You have literally read the minds of the military savants in the USSS. Our country actually completely renovated its navy, going to an exclusively-trimeran design. The advantages, as you point out, are many. However, the strategists of the USSS must disagree with you on the point that NOT using battleships is more (price)effecient.

Please note that, while cruise missiles are fine and dandy, each one costs something around half a million dollars. An 18-inch shell costs less than a grand. The cruise missile isn't really that hard to knock out of the air; the laser system you mentioned works, as do using air-to-air missiles. But how the hell do you shoot down a shell? Not only that, but shooting ONE cruise missile at something is just ineffective. Constant bombardment is much more useful in actual combat situations; soldiers don't like being hit with 18-inch shells for hours on end! Nastys like artillery-deployed mines make it an even better deal.

Obviously cruise missiles have longer range, but modern battleship munitions include discarding sabot-type shells that have a very significant range; such a system also allows for the shell proper to be outfitted with a JDAM-style package for greater accuracy.

What's more, an 18-inch cannon is the perfect antimissile system. Why waste a $1 million antimissile-missile when you can just load your cannon with what is effectively shotgun ammo and blast away. The very principle of a missile means that even relatively minor damage will destroy it; using spreading shot is not only cheaper, it's more effective!


Because of all these truisms, the USSS would like to offer, for the low cost of 1.6 billion USD, several Progress-class battleships. They are of trimaran design; each mounts thirteen 18-inch cannon (three turrets each containing three cannons; two mounted fore, one aft: supplemented by two sponsons containing two cannon each, one starboard and one port).
The battleship also mounts four tubes adequate for launching cruise missiles, if you are really into that. A single helicopter landing pad is also built in aft.

Scale is similar to Western Asia's, except obviously a battleship is going to be substantially larger than even a cruiser.

Finally, the USSS would like to point out that one further benefit of the trimaran design is increased durability; a missile or torpedo hit on one of the "outrigger" parts of the ship is substantially less likely to damage the ship badly enough to sink/cripple it.

(OOC: There are actually two schools of thought concerning surface ship warfare; this is the one I have to agree with. Look it up on Google and you'll see what I mean.)

Western Asia:

You have literally read the minds of the military savants in the USSS. Our country actually completely renovated its navy, going to an exclusively-trimeran design. The advantages, as you point out, are many. However, the strategists of the USSS must disagree with you on the point that NOT using battleships is more (price)effecient.

Please note that, while cruise missiles are fine and dandy, each one costs something around half a million dollars. An 18-inch shell costs less than a grand. The cruise missile isn't really that hard to knock out of the air; the laser system you mentioned works, as do using air-to-air missiles. But how the hell do you shoot down a shell? Not only that, but shooting ONE cruise missile at something is just ineffective. Constant bombardment is much more useful in actual combat situations; soldiers don't like being hit with 18-inch shells for hours on end! Nastys like artillery-deployed mines make it an even better deal.

Obviously cruise missiles have longer range, but modern battleship munitions include discarding sabot-type shells that have a very significant range; such a system also allows for the shell proper to be outfitted with a JDAM-style package for greater accuracy.

What's more, an 18-inch cannon is the perfect antimissile system. Why waste a $1 million antimissile-missile when you can just load your cannon with what is effectively shotgun ammo and blast away. The very principle of a missile means that even relatively minor damage will destroy it; using spreading shot is not only cheaper, it's more effective!


Because of all these truisms, the USSS would like to offer, for the low cost of 1.6 billion USD, several Progress-class battleships. They are of trimaran design; each mounts thirteen 18-inch cannon (three turrets each containing three cannons; two mounted fore, one aft: supplemented by two sponsons containing two cannon each, one starboard and one port).
The battleship also mounts four tubes adequate for launching cruise missiles, if you are really into that. A single helicopter landing pad is also built in aft.

Scale is similar to Western Asia's, except obviously a battleship is going to be substantially larger than even a cruiser.

Finally, the USSS would like to point out that one further benefit of the trimaran design is increased durability; a missile or torpedo hit on one of the "outrigger" parts of the ship is substantially less likely to damage the ship badly enough to sink/cripple it.

(OOC: There are actually two schools of thought concerning surface ship warfare; this is the one I have to agree with. Look it up on Google and you'll see what I mean.)

Noting this as an attempt to steal Patented and Private technology, we must protest this open attempt at capitalizing on our success. Unless you want to buy and build the ship, then you can feel free to build them from scratch. Otherwise we might have to call this godmodding....not out of technical inability, but rather due to the cloning of tech that is unique in concept within NS. Have you somehow managed to develop an entire series of ships that I just "happened" to beat you to? RP within bounds, don't just claim that you have developed this without reference to our technology. Come up with a full description, don’t just piggy back with "like Western Asia’s only…."



I understand this argument against small vessels (and I didn't need to run to google for that one, nor for the rest of what is stated in this post, though I DID look at a few URLs I had stashed about), I was going with the growing momentum within the US, British, and Israeli naval leaders. As it is, the usual armament for shore surface bombardment on smaller ships seems to be 5 in, since this has proven to be somewhat ineffective for larger targets, 6 in cannons are being adopted on new cruisers. In fact, ships with the large above-deck structures of the old battleships are just too easy to target and destroy. The Trimaran Concept calls specifically for a low-visual and radar cross-section, as many modern warships have moved towards.

On the development of the Streetfighter Concept, the basis for the Trimaran Warship and its descendants:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2003/030127-lcs01.htm
http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/article.cfm?Id=1079


Frankly, the days of the big battle ships are over-- they are too vulnerable to todays air, surface, and submarine attacks. With modern targeting and guidance systems, the large ship is doomed the moment it comes into range (meaning just as it is able to start firing). The countries that CAN build the big ships are mostly friendly (though this IS pointedly untrue in NationStates, the same diplomatic and political drag on the use of arms is no where to be found). The US is without any commissioned battleships and hasn't built any since WWII. A few were later re-comissioned for korea but soon mothballed, then a couple were recomissioned for Vietnam, the last one left. But there is still the essential fact that battleships are useless for deeper attacks past the shore of most countries, where many targets tend to be and have since all been decomissioned.

Even these ships had nowhere near that number and type of guns, to quote from a site (here: http://navysite.de/bb.htm), the "Last armament [of the Iowa and Wisconson were]: eight armored box launchers for Tomahawk, four Mk 141 Harpoon missile launchers, nine 16-inch / 50 caliber guns, twelve 5-inch / 38 caliber guns, four 20mm Phalanx CIWS." The number of weapons you mention would necessitate a ship almost 2 TIMES as long as the old battleships, even with the space added by Trimarans. As far as I can tell, NOT A SINGLE battleship is in service today with the US Navy, and I trust their judgement. As far as capabilities, the smaller yet well-armed cruiser can compete favorably in many aspects of use and deployability both as a fleet weapon and as part of a carrier group (battleships only do the latter).

The AA/AM missiles ARE very useful, and here's why: The Arrow can intercept and destroy the target before it even gets close to the target, often in the upper atmosphere near the launcher so that any submunitions or unharmed warheads fall on our enemies rather than on our own (the problem with Patriot missiles and the use of guns against ballistic or other such missiles). The Arrow ABM system would not be used for normal anti-ship missiles, but rather for force-protection in the field or on the seas against NBC attacks using SCUD-type IRBMs or ICBMs, an increasingly important capability. In addition, many of our ships DO come with Sea Sparrow and Phalanx anti-anti-ship missile systems for closer-range defenses.

Anyways, 18in guns are a)not responsive enough to target, track, and engage incoming missiles, b) they were never used for AA duties, so there is no precident for this concept, c)not a size used by battleships, d)rejected since they are only marginally better than 16in shells but require a heavier gun and more space for less bang.....this is a pipe dream. 16in guns DO NOT HAVE those new types of shells, those are the EX-171 ERGM (extended range guided munition) and come only for the 5 in naval cannon.

As for intercepting artillery shells, as well as Katyushka rockets, this has been done repeatedly under test conditions by the US/Israeli MTHEL project, see here: http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/micro_stories.pl?ACCT=853754&TICK=TRW4&STORY=/www/story/11-05-2002/0001835386&EDATE=Nov+5,+2002
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/micro_stories.pl?ACCT=853754&TICK=TRW4&STORY=/www/story/11-05-2002/0001835273&EDATE=Nov+5,+2002

As for concerns about the cost of Tomahawks, while the export price is about 1.4 to a bit over 2 million per unit, the cost to the US military is only half a million dollars. Anyways a new cruise-type missile IS in practical development and will soon be released by our Export Control Board for selling. The new weapon is aptly known as the "Affordable Weapon" (see: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/aw.htm). The point of these weapons is that they can reach farther than the 20 mile range of such large shells.

If there is a war with a coastal state then a battleship could be useful, but, for the majority of conflicts there is simply no need. If anyone REALLY wants it, I can put a 16in battery of three guns on a cruiser at the detriment of it's VLS or Helicopter capabilities...that's all that I need.

I think that I've accurately and fully refuted all of the claims made. As for that school of naval warfare, even they had to admit that BBs are mostly useless in today's technological era, and that was a bit ago.

A little self-promotional BUMP-arooni

anyone interested?

Update: The following nations have confirmed sales

The People's Republic of Liberated Asia

The Empire of Keirian

The Empire of Razzgo would like to purchase the following from you:
2 Cruisers with the 64 missile array and 4 Destroyers with the 16 missile array. Finally would you consider becoming the Lonely Lands prime naval manufacturer?

2 $240M Cruiser (16-missile array, Helicopter-enabled)
1 $900M Cruiser (64-missile array, Helicopter-enabled)
4 $260M Destroyer (guided-missile, 24-missile array, Helicopter-enabled)
5 $195M Frigate (Guided-missile, 16-missile array, Helicopter-enabled)
2 $178M Frigate (counter-submarine, w/ an 8-missile VLS array for ASW (Anti-Submarine) torpedos (4 come with), Helicopter-enabled) Both equipped with mine sweeper
Total =3,955,000 USD plus the cost of helicopters

New orders:

The Empire of Razzgo would like to purchase the following from you:
2 Cruisers with the 64 missile array and 4 Destroyers with the 16 missile array. Finally would you consider becoming the Lonely Lands prime naval manufacturer?
2X $900M per Cruiser (64-missile array, Helicopter-enabled)= $1.8Bn
4X $260M per Destroyer (guided-missile, 24-missile array, Helicopter-enabled) (OOC:This is what you meant?)= $1.04Bn
Total, with charges (for helis and equipement), is $3.45Bn

We would gladly accept such a position. Remember, we can also provide you with missiles to launch from all of those tubes at bulk-sale discount rates. We are also about to roll out a medium-weight armored vehicle similar to the Bradley but with our own additions as well as aircraft carrier and troop/equipment transport versions of our ships. By the time that you make your next purchase we should have the improved capacity ships in with more VLS tubes.

Glad to do business with you.


2 $240M Cruiser (16-missile array, Helicopter-enabled)
1 $900M Cruiser (64-missile array, Helicopter-enabled)
4 $260M Destroyer (guided-missile, 24-missile array, Helicopter-enabled)
5 $195M Frigate (Guided-missile, 16-missile array, Helicopter-enabled)
2 $178M Frigate (counter-submarine, w/ an 8-missile VLS array for ASW (Anti-Submarine) torpedos (4 come with), Helicopter-enabled) Both equipped with mine sweeper
Total =3,955,000 USD plus the cost of helicopters

Your total cost is $3.9 Billion (OOC: you're missing a set of zeros, if you mean 3.955bn you counted something twice). We want to remind you that we are able to provide for all of your missile needs to fill those VLS tubes as well as any upgrades that are on coming.

Glad to do business with you. We hope that you are served well by our products.

I would like:

1 Cruiser, 64 Missile + VL-ARSOC
3 Destroyers, Anti-Air, Fully Outfitted + VL-ARSOC
6 Frigates, the 178M ones
6 Corvettes, Guided, 8 missle array

Money ready for transer

I would like:

1 Cruiser, 64 Missile + VL-ARSOC
3 Destroyers, Anti-Air, Fully Outfitted + VL-ARSOC
6 Frigates, the 178M ones
6 Corvettes, Guided, 8 missle array

Money ready for transer

Do you mean that you want the tubes filled with ASROCs? As a note, your AA Destroyers are fitted with AA missiles such as the RIM-67 or the Sea Sparrow missile and SAM batteries in the place of the VLS. There is no room in the Block I AA Destroyers for additional ASROC missiles unless they take the place of one of the batteries of SAMs or of one of the other missile systems.

As-is, the order comes to the following,
1X Cruiser (64-missile array, Helicopter-enabled)@$900M/unit =$900M
64X RUM-139 VLA(SROC) missiles with MK 46 MOD 5 Torpedo warhead@ $0.95 million/unit = $60.8M
3X Destroyer (anti-air, fully outfitted, Helicopter-enabled, with 2 SAM batteries on each ship, no VLS)@ $230M/unit = $690M
6X Frigate (counter-submarine, w/ an 8-missile VLS array for ASW (Anti-Submarine) torpedos (4 come with) as well as rail-launched ASROCs, Helicopter-enabled)@ $178M/unit = $1.068Bn
6X Corvette (Guided-missile, 8-missile array)@ $230M/unit = $1.380Bn

Total (with additional costs for helicopters and equipment) = $4.21bn
This is a very large sum for a country of your size. Are you sure that you can afford this sum?
IF you have no problem with this sum, then you can expect the delivery of the Cruiser, destroyer, and the Corvettes by the end of the next NS week, the Frigates should be delivered 1 NS week after that (by the end of the next RL day).

3/4 of the payment is expected now and the rest upon delivery. Glad to do business with you.

Are all the ships tripple-hulled?
Regardless, we are in need of *something* that floats, beyond our penguins, and wish to order a frigate, with the minesweeping upgrade, as really, this ship is going to have to carry out as many maritime duties as possible, being as we are a relatively small and poor nation.
We also desire four additional ASWs, and an anti-submarine helicopter (the cheapest available, and compatible with our frigate).

This will be our nations first military purchase, and our conscripts will be going witout live-fire training this year to pay for it. And bare-foot, too.
Erm, I hope it's enough to say that we will wire the payment, I'm not expected to..actually do anything, am I?

Ta muchly.

OOC: I can handle it. :wink:

Money Transfered.

Are all the ships tripple-hulled?
Regardless, we are in need of *something* that floats, beyond our penguins, and wish to order a frigate, with the minesweeping upgrade, as really, this ship is going to have to carry out as many maritime duties as possible, being as we are a relatively small and poor nation.
We also desire four additional ASWs, and an anti-submarine helicopter (the cheapest available, and compatible with our frigate).

This will be our nations first military purchase, and our conscripts will be going witout live-fire training this year to pay for it. And bare-foot, too.
Erm, I hope it's enough to say that we will wire the payment, I'm not expected to..actually do anything, am I?

Ta muchly.

The ships are 3-hulled, not triple hulled. This means that there are three hulls in the water, not that there are three layers of hull. An image is available here: http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/military/1999/11/sea_power_2000/images/tb_9911STMIA.jpg
The fast transport that we are going to introduce is actually only a catamaran (2-hulled) since the focus is mainly speed rather than combat capability.


1X Frigate (counter-submarine, w/ an 8-missile VLS array for ASW (Anti-Submarine) torpedos (4 come with) as well as rail-launched ASROCs, Helicopter-enabled)@ $178M = $178M
1X Frigate minesweeping suite@ $2M= $2M
4X RUM-139 VLA(SROC) missiles with MK 46 MOD 5 Torpedo warhead@ $0.95 million/unit = $3.8M
1X Seahawk with counter-submarine equipment@ $12M= $12M
Total Cost, + applicable charges, = $217M

In light of your plight, we will provide free training for your crew when the ship is delivered. We will also send an accompanying corvette for you to look at and to return our men. We will also be bringing out a missile-boat at a smaller price and yet with reasonable capabilities.

We look forward to doing business with you in the future, as soon as you are able.

Ah ha, yes, my terminology was a little off there; the height of technology in our armed forces so far has been the light-mortars-mounted-on-small-trucks company.

We are both impressed and frankly delighted to hear of the training services to be provided to our pioneering naval crew (by the way, what is the crew compliment of such a frigate?), and upon perusing your nation's descriptions we find no moral issues preventing trade or military co-operation, and finally confirm our order, as we scrape together the funds.
Tanks will have to wait until next year, and god only knows when we'll look at deploying an air force.
What's more, this expenditure settles a domestic budget issue too: no, you can't have anymore money, police chief.

We will eagerly keep an eye out for the missile-boat you mention, as well.

The full compliment of crew members for the 450 ft vessel is 4-6 officers and 110 enlisted men. This is about half the crew of comparable frigates thanks to increased mechanization and more capable electronics systems. This decrease in crew adds to the overall perserverence of the craft since more supplies can be stored for fewer men. This does not take into account the 4 person crew of the SH-60 LAMPS MkIII Seahawk. However, the ship can be fully functional in battle conditions with far fewer crewmen, as few as 3 officers and 85 crew men.

Seahawk specs: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/sh-60b-specs.htm

Seahawk info: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/sh-60b-specs.htm

We hope that this vessel serves you well.

We have to wonder if Western Asia has not overlooked one useful aspect of the trimaran's design. Since by it's nature (and beam vs. length), the ship is very stable, and so would make an excellent artillery platform. Combining this function with a payload of cruise missiles would result in a formidible coastal bombardment vessel. We would be interested in aiding in the development of such a craft with a view to purchasing several completed units.

Alice Merriweather, Head of Military Research and Development, GMC Military Arms.

I'm really sorry, but I can't resist. "I'm looking for the nuclear wessels, do you know where I can find the nuclear wessels?"

We have to wonder if Western Asia has not overlooked one useful aspect of the trimaran's design. Since by it's nature (and beam vs. length), the ship is very stable, and so would make an excellent artillery platform. Combining this function with a payload of cruise missiles would result in a formidible coastal bombardment vessel. We would be interested in aiding in the development of such a craft with a view to purchasing several completed units.

Alice Merriweather, Head of Military Research and Development, GMC Military Arms.

I have considered the possibility, but large-caliber weapons, in my opinion, are on the out. While there is nothing more impressive than a 1 ton round, it is much better in my opinion to focus on the strategic bombardment abilities of the 5in and 6in guns. Indeed, my Cruisers have 1 6in, 2 5in, as well as a large number of VLS tubes for cruise-type missiles (capacity will, as promised, grow soon). As stated in the discussion of a trimaran battleship, it would be possible to fit the cruiser with a 16in gun but it would cost the helicopter capabilities and force a lower cruise-missile capacity.

However, we are always open to such development projects and are willing to hear the suggestions for such a vessel. We would be happy to provide the manufacturing facilities for such an eventual vessel and would split the profits as well as any costs of development.

Though, now that I look at the GMC-naval expansion thread, I can see how it might be the perfect platform for a Gaussian/rail gun bombardment craft. The low crew demands and high relative capacity could allow it to have something close to a 260° horizontal range as well as a significant vertical range (additional hydralic systems could be fit into the superstructure). If this is your idea, then perhaps it could be a joint venture with Wazzu as well?

I'm really sorry, but I can't resist. "I'm looking for the nuclear wessels, do you know where I can find the nuclear wessels?"
:?: :?:

The Reploid Productions military is planning to form a dedicated naval force, and would like to inquire if it would be possible to purcahse 5 Frigates of both the guided missile and anti-submarine configurations, and 2 anti-air Destroyers. Our economy is not the greatest at this time, but we still have available funds from the Bandit project that were not needed for it. ((OOC: New Order of Ages supposedly donated US$70 billion)) Once we have more available funding, we will likely look to make larger purchases.

Thank you,

~Tiffany Celta
~Secretary of Defense
~Holy Empire of Reploid Productions

I'm really sorry, but I can't resist. "I'm looking for the nuclear wessels, do you know where I can find the nuclear wessels?"
:?: :?:

Star Trek, dude.

The answer is along the lines of 'Err...yeah, they're by the docks...' or words to that effect from a confused passer-by.

Splendid deal, many thanks. Penguin missiles..that's almost too perfect (national animal: the much loved emperor penguin, you see).
Though our economy does not leave room for further purchases at this time, we will reccomend Western Asia to our allies if and when they choose to improve their own fleets.

The Reploid Productions military is planning to form a dedicated naval force, and would like to inquire if it would be possible to purcahse 5 Frigates of both the guided missile and anti-submarine configurations, and 2 anti-air Destroyers. Our economy is not the greatest at this time, but we still have available funds from the Bandit project that were not needed for it. ((OOC: New Order of Ages supposedly donated US$70 billion)) Once we have more available funding, we will likely look to make larger purchases.

Thank you,

~Tiffany Celta
~Secretary of Defense
~Holy Empire of Reploid Productions

This wish can certainly be granted and your credit check has passed.

5X Frigate (Guided-missile, 16-missile array, Helicopter-enabled)@$195M/unit = $975M
5X Frigate (counter-submarine, w/ an 8-missile VLS array for ASW (Anti-Submarine) torpedos (4 come with) as well as rail-launched ASROCs, Helicopter-enabled)@$178M/unit = $890M
2X Destroyer (anti-air, fully outfitted, Helicopter-enabled NOTE: AA basic package is 2 SAM (18 missile) battery option)@$230M/unit = $260M

Total, with charges (for helis and eqp.), = $2.24Bn
At least 1/2 of final payment is expected in advance. 1 AADestroyer, 3 GM Frigates and 2 SW Frigates will be delivered in the first batch. The others will be delivered 3 weeks later (later today and tomorrow RLT).

It has been a pleasure to do business with you.

Excellent! The first half of the payment has been wired to your treasury dept. The rest will be sent upon delivery of the entire order. Thank you very much!

~Tiffany Celta
~Secretary of Defense

~Katana Dranotisainak
~Secretary of the Treasury
~Holy Empire of Reploid Productions

The Xiahou Corporation of Judsonia would like to make some purchases from your inventory, but spending so much capital is too risky and we don't think our investors would approve. However, we are in control of massive ammounts of energy grade uranium which we would be happy to exchange in monetary quality equal to that of our intended purchases.

Let us know if an arrangement can be reached.

The Xiahou Corporation of Judsonia would like to make some purchases from your inventory, but spending so much capital is too risky and we don't think our investors would approve. However, we are in control of massive ammounts of energy grade uranium which we would be happy to exchange in monetary quality equal to that of our intended purchases.

Let us know if an arrangement can be reached.

While high quality uranium is of some interest for our line of Aircraft Carriers, we have yet to introduce the project publicly and commercialization is not going to come very quickly. A small amount of uranium with a fair amount of money could buy you a ship, but Uranium alone will not do it. We would suggest that you purchase the vessel of choice under our Credit Payment Plan. Under this plan, you will pay the cost of the ship back in micro payments over the next two weeks (Real time). This will give your country time to grow and to develop an economy that could support further purchases. However, the best advice at this moment would be to sit quiet and to not get into any conflicts yet.

Indeed, we have no problem selling you a vessel (or perhaps 2) on this payment plan, but we think that an army should come with the ability to support it.

We look forward to doing business with you.

His presidency of Iraqstan wishes to purchase the following.

3 $240M Cruiser (16-missile array, Helicopter enabled)
2 $260M Destroyer (guided-missile, 24-missile array, helicopter-enabled)
5 $195M Frigate (Guided-missile, 16-missile array, helicopter-enabled)

Also his presidency wishes to know how much more it would cost to get an extra 200 tomahawk missiles.

We await confirmation of our order.

Of course, but as of now we have increased our military budget and are making preperations to build up our army and navy. Being so near to so many socialist nations whom our envious of our economic success, we would like to be able to defend ourselves as soon as possible. Your payment plan sounds excellent and we believe we could arrange payment for you very easily.

We have to wonder if Western Asia has not overlooked one useful aspect of the trimaran's design. Since by it's nature (and beam vs. length), the ship is very stable, and so would make an excellent artillery platform. Combining this function with a payload of cruise missiles would result in a formidible coastal bombardment vessel. We would be interested in aiding in the development of such a craft with a view to purchasing several completed units.

Alice Merriweather, Head of Military Research and Development, GMC Military Arms.

I have considered the possibility, but large-caliber weapons, in my opinion, are on the out. While there is nothing more impressive than a 1 ton round, it is much better in my opinion to focus on the strategic bombardment abilities of the 5in and 6in guns. Indeed, my Cruisers have 1 6in, 2 5in, as well as a large number of VLS tubes for cruise-type missiles (capacity will, as promised, grow soon). As stated in the discussion of a trimaran battleship, it would be possible to fit the cruiser with a 16in gun but it would cost the helicopter capabilities and force a lower cruise-missile capacity.

However, we are always open to such development projects and are willing to hear the suggestions for such a vessel. We would be happy to provide the manufacturing facilities for such an eventual vessel and would split the profits as well as any costs of development.

Though, now that I look at the GMC-naval expansion thread, I can see how it might be the perfect platform for a Gaussian/rail gun bombardment craft. The low crew demands and high relative capacity could allow it to have something close to a 260° horizontal range as well as a significant vertical range (additional hydralic systems could be fit into the superstructure). If this is your idea, then perhaps it could be a joint venture with Wazzu as well?

That's certainly one possibility, but what we were really thinking of was a rather less subtle device using the trimaran hull design to the full. The abstract calls for a large vessel, with the central hull built largely like a heavy cruiser, mounting not less than four 14-18 inch 50 cal guns in two turrets (railguns are a possibility) and a number of vertical cruise missile tubes in the deck.
So far, so missile cruiser.
Now, the interesting aspect is the outer hulls; this ship is envisioned as supporting an amphibious landing with direct artillery fire, which got us to wondering why the artillery guns should have to be part of the ship at all. What we came up with is a sub-hull design with three open gun decks in broadsides, the lower pair of which accommodate towed 105mm howitzers while the upper deck is large enough for self-propelled guns. Obviously, since only one battery can be bought to bear at a time, the gun ports can be sealed and the inactive side is basically just a vehicle park.
The decks of both outriggers would mount a heavy-duty crane (not less than 75 ton maximum load) for loading and unloading equipment through a large hatch, this device folding flush to the deck when not in use.
Does this sound like a venture that would interest you?

Alice Merriweather, Head of Military Research and Development, GMC Military Arms.

His presidency of Iraqstan wishes to purchase the following.

3 $240M Cruiser (16-missile array, Helicopter enabled)
2 $260M Destroyer (guided-missile, 24-missile array, helicopter-enabled)
5 $195M Frigate (Guided-missile, 16-missile array, helicopter-enabled)

Also his presidency wishes to know how much more it would cost to get an extra 200 tomahawk missiles.

We await confirmation of our order.
We would be happy to accomodate your naval needs.
3X GM Cruiser (16-missile array, Helicopter enabled)@ $240M/unit= $720M
2X GM Destroyer (guided-missile, 24-missile array, helicopter-enabled)@ $260M/unit= $520M
5X GM Frigate (Guided-missile, 16-missile array, helicopter-enabled)@ $195M/unit= $975M

Total, with additional charges for helicopters and equipment added (no extra Tomahawks), is $2.33Bn

200 Tomahawks@ $1.4m/unit = $260M (with good customer discount) Note: If you ever need Tomahawks or any other ship-based weaponry then we will be happy to provide it to you at a decent price.

The total price, with 200 Tomahawks included, is $2.59Bn.

This post has ceased to be.

Money has been transfered. 2.59B has been transfered.

his presidency also wishes to extend this offer to you, due to the impressive array of ability your ships posses, he would like to offer you an exclusive contract as our naval supplier from henceforth.

We would be willing to set up an account with you upon order of ships transfers happen automatically. his presidency would be honoured to have you accept this.

Also when can we expect our ships?

Thank you and we await the response to his presidency's offer.

Minister for Trade

We have to wonder if Western Asia has not overlooked one useful aspect of the trimaran's design. Since by it's nature (and beam vs. length), the ship is very stable, and so would make an excellent artillery platform. Combining this function with a payload of cruise missiles would result in a formidible coastal bombardment vessel. We would be interested in aiding in the development of such a craft with a view to purchasing several completed units.

Alice Merriweather, Head of Military Research and Development, GMC Military Arms.

I have considered the possibility, but large-caliber weapons, in my opinion, are on the out. While there is nothing more impressive than a 1 ton round, it is much better in my opinion to focus on the strategic bombardment abilities of the 5in and 6in guns. Indeed, my Cruisers have 1 6in, 2 5in, as well as a large number of VLS tubes for cruise-type missiles (capacity will, as promised, grow soon). As stated in the discussion of a trimaran battleship, it would be possible to fit the cruiser with a 16in gun but it would cost the helicopter capabilities and force a lower cruise-missile capacity.

However, we are always open to such development projects and are willing to hear the suggestions for such a vessel. We would be happy to provide the manufacturing facilities for such an eventual vessel and would split the profits as well as any costs of development.

Though, now that I look at the GMC-naval expansion thread, I can see how it might be the perfect platform for a Gaussian/rail gun bombardment craft. The low crew demands and high relative capacity could allow it to have something close to a 260° horizontal range as well as a significant vertical range (additional hydralic systems could be fit into the superstructure). If this is your idea, then perhaps it could be a joint venture with Wazzu as well?

That's certainly one possibility, but what we were really thinking of was a rather less subtle device using the trimaran hull design to the full. The abstract calls for a large vessel, with the central hull built largely like a heavy cruiser, mounting not less than four 14-18 inch 50 cal guns in two turrets (railguns are a possibility) and a number of vertical cruise missile tubes in the deck.
So far, so missile cruiser.
Now, the interesting aspect is the outer hulls; this ship is envisioned as supporting an amphibious landing with direct artillery fire, which got us to wondering why the artillery guns should have to be part of the ship at all. What we came up with is a sub-hull design with three open gun decks in broadsides, the lower pair of which accommodate towed 105mm howitzers while the upper deck is large enough for self-propelled guns. Obviously, since only one battery can be bought to bear at a time, the gun ports can be sealed and the inactive side is basically just a vehicle park.
The decks of both outriggers would mount a heavy-duty crane (not less than 75 ton maximum load) for loading and unloading equipment through a large hatch, this device folding flush to the deck when not in use.
Does this sound like a venture that would interest you?

Alice Merriweather, Head of Military Research and Development, GMC Military Arms.

This is a very interesting concept indeed.... It might be difficult to do with the trimaran, since the platform over the outer hulls is not nearly as deep as the rest of the vessel. However, this vessel will have to indeed be in the battlecruiser range of lenghts...a formidable ship indeed. I will need more time to consult with my engineers (OOC: I'm tired and don't have time to research now) before any definite answer can be given. There are many technical aspects to consider.

But, there is another possibility. We are trying to bring out a high-speed transporter with the ability to transport a few thousand troops and equipment at high speeds. The concept vessel is well within the size range of the proposed vessel so I will try to remember to send you info by telegram (Telegram me and I'll send you some resources, but I want the transporter under wraps until I can roll it out).

You can count me in for now. I'll come back to this tomorrow PM (california time).

Money has been transfered. 2.59B has been transfered.

his presidency also wishes to extend this offer to you, due to the impressive array of ability your ships posses, he would like to offer you an exclusive contract as our naval supplier from henceforth.

We would be willing to set up an account with you upon order of ships transfers happen automatically. his presidency would be honoured to have you accept this.

Also when can we expect our ships?

Thank you and we await the response to his presidency's offer.

Minister for Trade

We graciously accept your generous offer. We greet this opportunity with great expectation for future cooperation. All that you will need to do is post your request here and the ships will be instantly sent to you and the amount automatically deducted from the account. A telegram will be sent as a receipt of sale for the purchases.

As for the arrival of your ships, there is a significant back log at the moment, but with our recently expanded construction facilities the first ship should arrive within a month and the others 1 a week, every week (all over the next 3 days RLtime). As with every good customer, training is complimentary and will begin with the arrival of our first crews with the first ship. The Trimarans have a much lighter crew demand so your current sailors should be able to man twice as many ships, and with a fairly modular design process, they should have no problem alternating between ships.

His presidency is most, pleased with your acceptance of his offer, and the finest rooms in the highest palace await your people whilst they stay in iraqstan.

We thank you and will look forward to our next doing business.

'I want to tell him about SHIVA!'
'The first rule of R & D is...'
'...You do not talk about SHIVA. Dammit.'


We understand your need for consultation, and will await your reply with interest.

Alice Merriweather, Head of Military Research And Development, GMC Military Arms.

'I want to tell him about SHIVA!'
'The first rule of R & D is...'
'...You do not talk about SHIVA. Dammit.'


We understand your need for consultation, and will await your reply with interest.

Alice Merriweather, Head of Military Research And Development, GMC Military Arms.

A telegram describing possibilities for the venture has been sent to your board. It sets forth some classified information, the security of which we consider to be of hight priority. The matters discussed should make such a project not only possible, but easily completed as a marginal addition to preexisting costs of manufacture.

We appreciate your dedication and look forward to moving ahead in this, and other, mentioned matters.

:!:

Either I don't understand something or you guys have really good imaginations and a lot of free time...

:D

Nargothrand apologises for the belated acknowledgement, the ships have reached our docks and the payment has been transferred. We look foward to doing business with you in the future.

P.S. I'm no expert in naval engineering, but I'm looking at the possibility of using a Trimaran hull as a civilian transport ship, maybe a container ship of some sort. Is such an agreement feasible?

Mustapha Engels, President

Press release:
The Holy Empire of Tiryanistan will upgrade its fleet capacity by buying a number of specially modified to bolster numbers and replaced outdated weaponry. The order will include a wide array of defensive vessels outfitted most importantly with licensed Soviet helicopters such as the Mi28 Hokum in use in Turkey.
The order reads as follows:

3x16 missile cruiser 16 months
1x64 missile cruiser 8 months
6xanti air destroyer 9 months
2xanti submarine destroyer 3 months
2xguided missile destroyer 4 months
6xcounter submarine frigate 7 months
16xguided missile corvette 6 months

The contract will be for a manufacturing & modification license to make the vessels compatible with a mainly Soviet defence force command system. Payment has already begun in installments and construction of the shipyards is well underway with foreign help, in particular from India and private firms in Russia & Britain.

The current Holy Imperial military has been criticised as a useless waste of government funds but the fleet upgrade along with the other purchases on the negotiating table show that its military clout will outweigh any percieved waste of money.

Negotiating table:
Army-
3 divisions equiped with T80UD tanks to be upgraded to Black Rhino Soviet designed tanks
1 division of mechanised infantry given BMPT urban fighting vehicles
Imperial guard division replacing Ak74's with prototype Chinese T86 rifles
Air wing upgrading from Mi28 Hokum A's to Mi28 Hokum D's

Air Force-
120 Su27 MKT's to be purchased
65 Su37 super flanker's to be outfitted and purchased
50 Su47's to be purchased on completion of prototype
8 Tu160's to be purchased

Navy-
ExSoviet aircraft carrier currently been repaired & refitted in shipyards

This upgrade comes as a shock to neighbours in the XTC region because due to their generally compassionate approach to politics and lack of big business or imperialistic desires their militaries until recently were only the same size as Tiryanistan's.

Current military
Army-
8xT34\85 (1940's)
2xIS-3 (1940's)
12xM113 APC (1960's)
1xMi24D Hind (1970's

Air Force-
1xspitfire (1940's)
2xDC-8 radar aircraft
1xhang glider (1990's)

Naval-
2xrubber dinghy (2000's)
1xMan o' War (1700's)

Other relevant military information:
Defence spending 1999 = $320,000
Defence spending 2000 = $22,690,000
Defence spending 2001 = $1,048,500,000
Defence spending 2002 = $432,000,000,000

And Proposed Defence spending:
2003 = $1,220,810,000,000
2004 = $3,400,000,000,000

Many have claimed that the Emporers mind has finally completely run away from him as by 2002 he was spending 18% of the nation's GDP. But more importantly 37% of the nations population has now been conscripted in order to be ready for the new weaponry scheduled for delivery in the next 24 months.

You're spending the gnp of a large western european nation on the military, and you have six million people.
I thought that (relating to the economy) strong meant strong, rather than better-than-everyone-else's-combined?

Press release:
The Holy Empire of Tiryanistan will upgrade its fleet capacity by buying a number of specially modified to bolster numbers and replaced outdated weaponry. The order will include a wide array of defensive vessels outfitted most importantly with licensed Soviet helicopters such as the Mi28 Hokum in use in Turkey.
The order reads as follows:

3x16 missile cruiser 16 months
1x64 missile cruiser 8 months
6xanti air destroyer 9 months
2xanti submarine destroyer 3 months
2xguided missile destroyer 4 months
6xcounter submarine frigate 7 months
16xguided missile corvette 6 months

The contract will be for a manufacturing & modification license to make the vessels compatible with a mainly Soviet defence force command system. Payment has already begun in installments and construction of the shipyards is well underway with foreign help, in particular from India and private firms in Russia & Britain.

The current Holy Imperial military has been criticised as a useless waste of government funds but the fleet upgrade along with the other purchases on the negotiating table show that its military clout will outweigh any percieved waste of money.

Negotiating table:
Army-
3 divisions equiped with T80UD tanks to be upgraded to Black Rhino Soviet designed tanks
1 division of mechanised infantry given BMPT urban fighting vehicles
Imperial guard division replacing Ak74's with prototype Chinese T86 rifles
Air wing upgrading from Mi28 Hokum A's to Mi28 Hokum D's

Air Force-
120 Su27 MKT's to be purchased
65 Su37 super flanker's to be outfitted and purchased
50 Su47's to be purchased on completion of prototype
8 Tu160's to be purchased

Navy-
ExSoviet aircraft carrier currently been repaired & refitted in shipyards

This upgrade comes as a shock to neighbours in the XTC region because due to their generally compassionate approach to politics and lack of big business or imperialistic desires their militaries until recently were only the same size as Tiryanistan's.

Current military
Army-
8xT34\85 (1940's)
2xIS-3 (1940's)
12xM113 APC (1960's)
1xMi24D Hind (1970's

Air Force-
1xspitfire (1940's)
2xDC-8 radar aircraft
1xhang glider (1990's)

Naval-
2xrubber dinghy (2000's)
1xMan o' War (1700's)

Other relevant military information:
Defence spending 1999 = $320,000
Defence spending 2000 = $22,690,000
Defence spending 2001 = $1,048,500,000
Defence spending 2002 = $432,000,000,000

And Proposed Defence spending:
2003 = $1,220,810,000,000
2004 = $3,400,000,000,000

Many have claimed that the Emporers mind has finally completely run away from him as by 2002 he was spending 18% of the nation's GDP. But more importantly 37% of the nations population has now been conscripted in order to be ready for the new weaponry scheduled for delivery in the next 24 months.

This has to be a joke. A country of five million people couldn't produce half that, let alone half that and be able to afford food.

I'd say that ten percent of that would bankrupt them well within the first year. But then I am very bored, and irked that I can't use the kitchen to put the kettle on until certain people wake up.

(Twiddles thumbs)

Again, many people have suggested that the Holy Emporer Tiryan cannot afford to spend the money he does on the military. However, since the death of his father only 2 years ago his defence force has increased in effectiveness 1740% with a projected increase of 6500% by the end of 2005. Thusly Tiryanistan will be wholely secure and most likely have little need for concern when it comes to outside criticism or opposition.

But you're claiming something like a two trillion dollar economy, and you have six million people with a strong economy. Strong is far from the top level, you do not have as much money as Germany, a nation with over a dozen times as many people as yours, and with a relatively stronger economy.
You need to reduce your estimates several dozen fold, really.
I can't suggest anything exact to you, I'm sure there's folk around here who can give you fair estimates if you're very nice to them.

Again, many people have suggested that the Holy Emporer Tiryan cannot afford to spend the money he does on the military. However, since the death of his father only 2 years ago his defence force has increased in effectiveness 1740% with a projected increase of 6500% by the end of 2005. Thusly Tiryanistan will be wholely secure and most likely have little need for concern when it comes to outside criticism or opposition.

You don't understand.

You don't HAVE the money you're spending. Saying you do doesn't make it believable.

You can't spend more money per year than your people can produce in ten years.

Plz do not contradict the Holy Emporer's arithmatic - he is getting exceptional grades in grade 4 maths and has insisted that he wants his ships soon. Also, although the economy of the country is not exceptional, you may note the previous lack of a defence force. The Holy Emporer's father, the late Holy Emporer, saved over 45% of the governments funds for his sons investment and the current Holy Emporer has graciously decided to donate these funds back into the current government projects.
Also, additional plans have just been released at another press conference but since no one showed up they will be shown here:
Various landing craft & assault craft for beach landings
A multi level command control system, 8 airfields & 14 bases fitted with appropriate mechanical & defensive facilities.
3 nuclear reactors capable of producing refined materials for nuclear weapons.
4 ICBM silo's & 32 delivery systems, 8 per silo.
Special laser Satellite ballistic missile Defence system.

Ahh, I see, you started saving up shortly before the dawn of time, and plan to cut back spending to zero in 2005.
Well why didn't you say so?

The accounting firm responsible for drawing up Tiryanistan's budget, Anderson & Anderson (of Enron fame) has now lost the contract. Considerable recalculations have been made and the current planned upgrades have been revised to the following:
2 guided missile Corvettes
16 Black Rhino prototypes and a promise of financial & testing assistance for completion of project
4 Su27 MKI's as the MKT project has now been cancelled
180 T86 assault rifles

Tiryanistan would also like to purchase 8 light patrol craft ranging from 20-80 tons and armed with light MRLS systems for onshore artillery bombardment & anti ship defence. However a contractor has yet to be found.

Total Defence GDP expenditure for 2003 is estimated at only $2-3 billion overall :) goddamn US accountants.
edit = roughly 1-2% of total GDP

As it happens, the Commonwealth of Beth Gellert is also interested in patrol vessels of not dissimilar ilk.
Our economy may restrict the order to as little as a single unit, though defence spending is to be given (grudgingly) an increase.

occ:Messed up my word order there, but never mind.

Papal decree from the Council of Extremely Confused Elders:

We have read with much interest the current trade talk concerning naval security.
We believe that the re-armanment of the Holy Empire of Tiryanistan is against the wishes of the holy leader within heavan and hell and it is our sad duty to announce we feel the Emperor of Tiryanistan has been consumed by devilish forces. We no longer see Tiryanistan as a holy empire but as simply an "Empire" and we will no longer recognise its once holy status. As the maxim of one of our great prophets Mustafa retold in the holy text 'The Testamant of Dyslexic Sentiments (revised 1995 religious edition)' the maxim of the holy one, HE, has always been
"alovae nocta spirtu vos borgositie" OR
"the good sheperd always leads where someone has been"
and we feel the Emperor has forsaken his divine rule in his military actions.

We also place the following general ad for his viewing:

FOR SALE: ONE USED GONDALA
Hardly used, seen a few crusades, fully equipped and armoured, blessed several times with holy water and RPG's, swear as good as new. $6000

We await the reply of the disgraced Emperor in the Knowledge on our estimates we already have a larger Army, Navy and Airforce than him and are quite willing to blow the shit out of you him cos if we die we become matrys anyway and its no real loss.

Yours Sincerely

:!:

Either I don't understand something or you guys have really good imaginations and a lot of free time...

:D

Good imaginations, lots of RESEARCH time, and the ability to merge the two. The writing and thought parts take a hundreth of the research time if that.

I'm still looking.

Nargothrand apologises for the belated acknowledgement, the ships have reached our docks and the payment has been transferred. We look foward to doing business with you in the future.

P.S. I'm no expert in naval engineering, but I'm looking at the possibility of using a Trimaran hull as a civilian transport ship, maybe a container ship of some sort. Is such an agreement feasible?

Mustapha Engels, President

Keep checking in, I've been delayed (OOC: Pesach celebrations and recovery, which will last until 12 tomorrow) but I am about to introduce a catamaran transporter (civilian use, you don't need 3 hulls unless its in a battle).

Nope, that doesnt do it either. I'm still looking.

Nope, that doesnt do it either. I'm still looking.

Good for you, now shut up and go home. It is an advertisement, not a demand....and the joke's already been made once. It's still not funny.

10 anti-submarine or anti-air, fully outfitted, Helicopter-enabled Destroyers and 10 guided-missile, 24-missile array, Helicopter-enabled Destroyers. They will be used to replace half of the fleet of Spruance and Yang Class Destroyers currently in service.

It was not meant to get laughs. You'd get more customers if you offered assistance in finding what they were looking for than just telling them to go home if you haven't already offered it to them.

Press release:
The Holy Empire of Tiryanistan will upgrade its fleet capacity by buying a number of specially modified to bolster numbers and replaced outdated weaponry. The order will include a wide array of defensive vessels outfitted most importantly with licensed Soviet helicopters such as the Mi28 Hokum in use in Turkey.
The order reads as follows:

3x16 missile cruiser 16 months
1x64 missile cruiser 8 months
6xanti air destroyer 9 months
2xanti submarine destroyer 3 months
2xguided missile destroyer 4 months
6xcounter submarine frigate 7 months
16xguided missile corvette 6 months

The contract will be for a manufacturing & modification license to make the vessels compatible with a mainly Soviet defence force command system. Payment has already begun in installments and construction of the shipyards is well underway with foreign help, in particular from India and private firms in Russia & Britain.

The current Holy Imperial military has been criticised as a useless waste of government funds but the fleet upgrade along with the other purchases on the negotiating table show that its military clout will outweigh any percieved waste of money.

Negotiating table:
Army-
3 divisions equiped with T80UD tanks to be upgraded to Black Rhino Soviet designed tanks
1 division of mechanised infantry given BMPT urban fighting vehicles
Imperial guard division replacing Ak74's with prototype Chinese T86 rifles
Air wing upgrading from Mi28 Hokum A's to Mi28 Hokum D's

Air Force-
120 Su27 MKT's to be purchased
65 Su37 super flanker's to be outfitted and purchased
50 Su47's to be purchased on completion of prototype
8 Tu160's to be purchased

Navy-
ExSoviet aircraft carrier currently been repaired & refitted in shipyards

This upgrade comes as a shock to neighbours in the XTC region because due to their generally compassionate approach to politics and lack of big business or imperialistic desires their militaries until recently were only the same size as Tiryanistan's.

Current military
Army-
8xT34\85 (1940's)
2xIS-3 (1940's)
12xM113 APC (1960's)
1xMi24D Hind (1970's

Air Force-
1xspitfire (1940's)
2xDC-8 radar aircraft
1xhang glider (1990's)

Naval-
2xrubber dinghy (2000's)
1xMan o' War (1700's)

Other relevant military information:
Defence spending 1999 = $320,000
Defence spending 2000 = $22,690,000
Defence spending 2001 = $1,048,500,000
Defence spending 2002 = $432,000,000,000

And Proposed Defence spending:
2003 = $1,220,810,000,000
2004 = $3,400,000,000,000

Many have claimed that the Emporers mind has finally completely run away from him as by 2002 he was spending 18% of the nation's GDP. But more importantly 37% of the nations population has now been conscripted in order to be ready for the new weaponry scheduled for delivery in the next 24 months.
OOC:
Ok, there is no GB, no India, and no russia. Your a new country that magically came into being with 5million people. You have the resources of a country that size. You DO NOT have trillions to spend on toys.

Wait 2-4 weeks (real time), then you will be sold such ships. As I see it, this is a joke and the time will not be wasted on it.

I do not support godmodding, even your new estimate is WAY too high. What country are you basing those figures on?

If you have an order to place then what is it? (2 GM Frigates?)


As it happens, the Commonwealth of Beth Gellert is also interested in patrol vessels of not dissimilar ilk.
Our economy may restrict the order to as little as a single unit, though defence spending is to be given (grudgingly) an increase.

occ:Messed up my word order there, but never mind.
Is that an order?

Do you produce any monohull ships? I am looking for monohull cruisers.

Do you produce any monohull ships? I am looking for monohull cruisers.

No, try GMC, despite what is said by some parties, GMC knows his stuff. The stuff isn't godmodded but is plenty powerful, and decently priced.

Aside from that, is there any specific failure of trimarans that makes a monohull preferable? Just exit polling.

It was not meant to get laughs. You'd get more customers if you offered assistance in finding what they were looking for than just telling them to go home if you haven't already offered it to them.

If you'd bother to read some of the thread, like the first posting, you'd find that I am open to almost any modification that is requested and that I am expanding the line of ships offered to both carriers and down to coastal patrol boats that are reasonably priced for the 5million person nations.

I have made accomodations before and I will in the future. The bottleneck involves the fact that I spend at least an hour or two researching before announcing that something will be produced (to make sure that it is suitable, that I can produce it, and that others will buy it). I then spend an average of 3 hours getting the specs ready for release. I first introduced the idea last month and have only relatively recently been able to acheive this range of products. Also, since my nation is a real nation and not just an arms producer (I'm thinking about starting a branch-off to do just that), I have other matters to attend to, like being involved in political situations and planning my country.

On top of this, I go to a really friggen hard prep high-school in the US and, as a junior, am already working until about 12 every night. With NS I've been staying up much later and the only saving grace is a relatively light load and my status as a good student that can survive with a lapse of concentration. Things are getting tight so time is not abundant. I intro products when I can, but I refuse to godmod my goods if I can avoid it.

Sorry if this is sounds a bit harsh, that is not my normal nature, but the offer is there for any who want it and I don't enjoy disrespect for no reasons...if you want to know about another possibility, as Nargothrand and Sudetnland did, then ask and I will reply.

10 anti-submarine or anti-air, fully outfitted, Helicopter-enabled Destroyers and 10 guided-missile, 24-missile array, Helicopter-enabled Destroyers. They will be used to replace half of the fleet of Spruance and Yang Class Destroyers currently in service.

Gladly, quite gladly. Can I take it that you would like a mix of the AA/AS destroyers? Please specify, current specs call for ASW choppers on the ASW ships (5) and unspecified helis (will be just baseline blackhawk utility or cargo if this remains unspecified) on the rest (5). The price is pretty much the same. The AA destroyers are set to be equipped with 2 SAM batteries so 18 basic SAM missiles with full resupply for 4 volleys will come with those unless the MTHEL or Arrow ABM systems are desired, but these will cost a few million extra and are not needed for such a small force (unless it is part of a large battlegroup).



10X Destroyer (anti-submarine or anti-air, fully outfitted, Helicopter-enabled)@ $230M/unit= $2.3bn
10X Destroyer (guided-missile, 24-missile array, Helicopter-enabled)@ $260M/unit= $2.6bn.

Total price, with costs for helis and equipment, is: $5.12bn

When the charge and specs are finalized, 4 destroyers (2 of each type, GM + Defense) will be delivered every 2 weeks (about twice every day RL time) for 5 weeks (for 4 days). This schedule can be moved up if the shipment is urgent. The helpful part of having shipyards running at wartime capacity (without a threatening war) is that even large shipments are only limited by the time it takes to produce subsystems. :D

We greatly appreciate your business and will gladly try to assist with any further needs that you have. 20 helis have been provided for at spec. The further specifications, aside from a shift to super ABM systems, should not effect the final price and any other major costs will be absorbed.

10 anti-submarine or anti-air, fully outfitted, Helicopter-enabled Destroyers and 10 guided-missile, 24-missile array, Helicopter-enabled Destroyers. They will be used to replace half of the fleet of Spruance and Yang Class Destroyers currently in service.

Gladly, quite gladly. Can I take it that you would like a mix of the AA/AS destroyers? Please specify, current specs call for ASW choppers on the ASW ships (5) and unspecified helis (will be just baseline blackhawk utility or cargo if this remains unspecified) on the rest (5). The price is pretty much the same. The AA destroyers are set to be equipped with 2 SAM batteries so 18 basic SAM missiles with full resupply for 4 volleys will come with those unless the MTHEL or Arrow ABM systems are desired, but these will cost a few million extra and are not needed for such a small force (unless it is part of a large battlegroup).



10X Destroyer (anti-submarine or anti-air, fully outfitted, Helicopter-enabled)@ $230M/unit= $2.3bn
10X Destroyer (guided-missile, 24-missile array, Helicopter-enabled)@ $260M/unit= $2.6bn.

Total price, with costs for helis and equipment, is: $5.12bn

When the charge and specs are finalized, 4 destroyers (2 of each type, GM + Defense) will be delivered every 2 weeks (about twice every day RL time) for 5 weeks (for 4 days). This schedule can be moved up if the shipment is urgent. The helpful part of having shipyards running at wartime capacity (without a threatening war) is that even large shipments are only limited by the time it takes to produce subsystems. :D

We greatly appreciate your business and will gladly try to assist with any further needs that you have. 20 helis have been provided for at spec. The further specifications, aside from a shift to super ABM systems, should not effect the final price and any other major costs will be absorbed.We currently use the MD-520s, UH-1s, and the UH-60s. (sorry but I'm a bit lazy on specs here -o-; ) And its a deal.

Just a quick question, what is the name of the class of Destroyers that I have just purchased? (so I can write it down in the Weapons Inventory list)

We currently use the MD-520s, UH-1s, and the UH-60s. (sorry but I'm a bit lazy on specs here -o-; ) And its a deal.

Just a quick question, what is the name of the class of Destroyers that I have just purchased? (so I can write it down in the Weapons Inventory list)

The Fleet Defense Destroyers will bear the basic UH-60 Blackhawks,
The ASW Destroyers will bear the SH-60 Seahawks of LAMPS MkIII tooling.
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The ship classes (all classes to date):
NOTE: The main difference in naming is what production "Baseline" they fall into, basically, the older ships are a lower baseline, which indicates imperfect technology or tech that was later improved. This Baseline system continues through all ship classes.

Guided Missile Cruisers are of the (David) Ben-Gurion class,
GM Cruiser (16-missile array), Baseline 0
GM Cruiser (64-missile array), Baseline 1
Future:
- Cruiser (127-missile array, possibly), Baseline 2
- Possibly a Heavy Cruiser will be made available with heavier guns and shore-focused weaponry, a new, 155mm/52 caliber gun, specs upcoming. This would be of a separate class, since GMs would not be the primary weaponry. Temp name: (Mena(c)hem) Begin-class.
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Fleet Defense Destroyers are of the (Levi) Eshkol class,
FD Destroyer (anti-submarine or anti-air), Baseline 0
Future:
FD Destroyer (anti-submarine or anti-air, 16 or 24 VLS array, upgraded cannon?), Baseline 1
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GM Destroyers are of the (Moshe) Dayan class,
GM Destroyer (24-missile array), Baseline 0
Future:
GM Destroyer (96-missile array, possibly upgraded cannon?), Baseline 1
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GM Frigates are of the (Moshe) Sharett class,
Frigate (Guided-missile, 16-missile array), Baseline 0
Future:
Frigate (Guided-missile, 80-missile array, other improvements), Baseline 1
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ASW Frigates are of the (Yitzhak) Shamir class,
Frigate (anti-submarine), Baseline 0
Future:
Frigate (anti-submarine, 16 VLS array, or removal), Baseline 1
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Corvettes are of the (Yitzhak) Rabin class,
Corvette (Basic), Baseline 0
Corvette (Guided-missile, 8-missile array), Baseline 1
Future:
--Corvette (current with minor upgrades and adjustments), Baseline 2, fills the gap between Frigates and Destroyers and much smaller missile boats.
--Possible "mini" depending on other factors, (pers ref: s'ar 5)

Future ships:
-- Heavy Cruiser (see above)
-- Carrier (possibly both VTOL/heli and "conventional")
-- Missile-boat, less than 500 tons about 60m in length (pers ref: s'ar 4, 4.5, 5), VERY GOOD weapons for size, perhaps sub classes will be designated.
-- Fast Transport, undisclosed design, many classes of diverse roles, due out soon...
-- Introduction of the Dolphin
-- Introduction of the AUSV/Manta + Accomodations

The United States of Whatevva would like to purchase:
4 Cruiser (16-missile array, Helicopter-enabled)
2 Cruiser (64-missile array, Helicopter-enabled)

The Dominion of Heavenly Order would like to purchase samples of your MTHEL weapon system for evaluation, and is interested in advanced craft for means of coastal security and warfare.

Please tell me exactly where my second order is out of proportion for my economy. My military spending according to the below pans out to be less then 98% of real world nations.

Purchases from Western Asia:
2 guided missile Corvettes ready made for operation with Mi24 Hind
$230+ million each
total = $460,000,000

Other unconfirmed purchases:
16 T80UD's @ $12 million each
2 BMPT APC @ $16 million each
4 Su27 MKI's* @ $42 million each
180 T86 assault rifles @ $2,500 each
other assorted small arms @ average $3,000 each x40
total = $392,570,000

Other general expenses for military:
Conversion training from old models @ average $150,000 per head x130
New annual training costs @ average $250,000 per head x60
Base refitting @ $4,500,000
Airfield refitting @ $25,000,000
Increase in numbers \ pay @ average $15,000 x10,800
New supply systems @ $1,030,000
New annual supply upkeep @ $260,000
total = $227,290,000
total annual = $50,030,000
total one off = $177,260,000

grand total defence spending 2003 = $1,079,860,000 [less then 1%]
GDP assuming strong economy roughly $15,000 per person = $120,000,000,000
maximum government spending = $22,800,000

* The Su27 MKI is Sukhoi's export version for India of their famous and exceptional Su27 Flanker. The Indian variant is currently considered the most effective fighter in active service, been even more advanced then the Chinese J11 of Su27 MKK. Smaller nations often just buy export versions for other nations rather then paying to have a custom built Su27 manufactured.

Current military
Army-
8xT34\85 (1940's) [sold for scrap iron]
2xIS-3 (1940's) [updated with targetting system & modern sabots]
12xM113 APC (1960's) [kept]
1xMi24D Hind (1970's) [kept]

Air Force-
1xspitfire (1940's) [sent to Holy Imperial Tiryanistan Air Force museum and fitted]
2xDC-8 radar aircraft [to be recycled & turned into coke cans]
1xhang glider (1990's) [to be sold at a garage sale]

Naval-
2xrubber dinghy (2000's) [essential life rafts]
1xMan o' War (1700's) [will be selling to Tiryanistan historical society]

Now perhaps my first order was in excess of reality but I in fact was making a joke. The above order is in fact entirely realistic especially for a Holy Empire and I think you should find that $460,000,000 will be of little consequence to the operating of government.
If you can recommend me to a maker for T-80UD's, Su27 MKI's etc I would be quite happy.

The United States of Whatevva would like to purchase:
4 Cruiser (16-missile array, Helicopter-enabled)
2 Cruiser (64-missile array, Helicopter-enabled)

4XCruiser (16-missile array, Helicopter-enabled)@ $240M/unit= $960M
2XCruiser (64-missile array, Helicopter-enabled)@ $900M/unit= $1.8Bn

Total, with costs of helis and equipment included, is: $2.86Bn

It has been pleasure to do business with you.

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NOTE: Due to some recent confusion on the matter, I will lay out helicopter capabilities. All ships purchased will arrive with 1 Blackhawk type helicopter per enabled ship unless otherwise specified/declined. All ships above Corvettes can carry and equip 2 helicopters of the Blackhawk type or of similar specs. Corvettes can carry one helicopter and smaller ships none.

Destroyers, Frigates, and Cruisers of all types come standard with SH-60 LAMPS MkIII Seahawks, intended for ASW but also able to attack ships and carry 8 assult troopers (crew of 3-4, specs here: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/sh-60.htm). If any modifications of this heli or any replacement by another model is desired then include the model and/or specs/upgrades with the order. Any Blackhawk type helicopter is available and most other types can be acquired at a reasonable price.

OTHER NEWS: Despite some early technical problems, new ships will be equipped with the rightful number of torpedo tubes. Due to the Trimaran design's specific form, the torpedos will be launched at an acute angle from the deck from above the outriggers. The system is the upgraded version of the Mk 23 Surface Vessel Torpedo Tube (SVTT) and can launch 6 torpedos of both Mk
46 and Mk 50 types, each launcher holds 3 torpedos and can be refilled underway but not in heavy battle conditions. There are 2 launchers per Cruiser, Destroyer, and Frigate. Corvettes and smaller use Mk 32 integrated tubes that are installed to launch just fore of the outriggers, this system also accomodates 6 torpedos of the same classes.

Please tell me exactly where my second order is out of proportion for my economy. My military spending according to the below pans out to be less then 98% of real world nations.

Purchases from Western Asia:
2 guided missile Corvettes ready made for operation with Mi24 Hind
$230+ million each
total = $460,000,000

Now perhaps my first order was in excess of reality but I in fact was making a joke. The above order is in fact entirely realistic especially for a Holy Empire and I think you should find that $460,000,000 will be of little consequence to the operating of government.
If you can recommend me to a maker for T-80UD's, Su27 MKI's etc I would be quite happy.
OOC: Sorry for the previous harshness, but the first order was so wackly and the second unclear so I wasn't sure if it was still part of a joke.

IC:
2X Corvette (Guided-missile, 8-missile array)@ $230M/unit= $460M

Total, with charges for equipment modification but not for helis, is: $475M

It's been a pleasure, if somewhat of a confusing one, to do business with you.

As for the Sovietski tech I would say Klamath, since his status isn't clear at the moment (his posts all got wiped but the country still seems to exist) I don't think that you could depend on him. Just make a post asking for those craft and the offers will roll in.

As it happens, the Commonwealth of Beth Gellert is also interested in patrol vessels of not dissimilar ilk.
Our economy may restrict the order to as little as a single unit, though defence spending is to be given (grudgingly) an increase.

occ:Messed up my word order there, but never mind.


Western Asia wrote:Is that an order?


It would have been; your products are fine, but we were today given (slightly inferior) vessels as part of a trade deal, so no, ta though.

The Dominion of Heavenly Order would like to purchase samples of your MTHEL weapon system for evaluation, and is interested in advanced craft for means of coastal security and warfare.

We can arrange a demonstration for your officials of the MTHEL system at our desert testing facility, but due to security measures it cannot be deployed as a separate unit for demonstrations.

As for coastal Security, a Corvette might be suggested or one of the missile boats when they come out.

As it happens, the Commonwealth of Beth Gellert is also interested in patrol vessels of not dissimilar ilk.
Our economy may restrict the order to as little as a single unit, though defence spending is to be given (grudgingly) an increase.

occ:Messed up my word order there, but never mind.


Western Asia wrote:Is that an order?


It would have been; your products are fine, but we were today given (slightly inferior) vessels as part of a trade deal, so no, ta though.

We are rolling out new missile boats and modified Corvettes today that may serve expansion needs later on. We hope that, although this deal did not pan out, that others in the future may.

NOTE ANY SHIPS SOLD BEFORE UPGRADE ANNOUNCEMENT WILL BE OLD VERSIONS. NEWER SHIP SPECS WILL APPEAR SOON AND ANY ORDERS AFTER THIS MESSAGE WILL FALL UNDER THOSE SPECS.

A preview is available in my ship classifications above.

Thank you, that is all.

Thank you for your offer. If you could make the requisite arrangements, we will be sending Commodore Zheng of the Dominion Defence Science Institute to attend the demonstration. If it proves satisfactory, we would be most keen on establishing a scientific exchange with your fine nation.

In the meantime, we would like to make the following purchases:

- 2 Destroyers outfitted with the AEGIS radar system and full C3 suites. We know this wasn't an option in your catalogue, but we would be glad if you could quote us a price for the upgrade. Weapons outfit should follow the fleet-defence configuration as closely as possible.

- 3 Guided-missile Frigates

- 3 Counter-submarine Frigates upgraded with mine-sweeping gear.

- 12 Guided-missile Corvettes.

- A full and comprehensive set of munitions for each type of ship.

In addition, we would like all vessels carrying ballistic-type point-defence weaponry such as the Phalanx or Goalkeeper to be refitted with MTHEL (slaved to a suitable targeting system to enable it to perform in both the ship-defence and ABM role) instead.

Query: Are the Pavehawks and Seahawks outfitted with advanced sensor suites? Also, when will the missile boat line of seacraft be ready to deliver? We would like to peruse the specifications of these craft before making any purchases.

We are looking for a Coast Guard/Police patrol boats. what kind of ships do you have to offer in that category



________________________
-Fred Fredrickson
-BigX Commodities / BigX Defense Contractors
-BigX Building, White City

Thank you for your offer. If you could make the requisite arrangements, we will be sending Commodore Zheng of the Dominion Defence Science Institute to attend the demonstration. If it proves satisfactory, we would be most keen on establishing a scientific exchange with your fine nation.

In the meantime, we would like to make the following purchases:

- 2 Destroyers outfitted with the AEGIS radar system and full C3 suites. We know this wasn't an option in your catalogue, but we would be glad if you could quote us a price for the upgrade. Weapons outfit should follow the fleet-defence configuration as closely as possible.

- 3 Guided-missile Frigates

- 3 Counter-submarine Frigates upgraded with mine-sweeping gear.

- 12 Guided-missile Corvettes.

- A full and comprehensive set of munitions for each type of ship.

In addition, we would like all vessels carrying ballistic-type point-defence weaponry such as the Phalanx or Goalkeeper to be refitted with MTHEL (slaved to a suitable targeting system to enable it to perform in both the ship-defence and ABM role) instead.

Query: Are the Pavehawks and Seahawks outfitted with advanced sensor suites? Also, when will the missile boat line of seacraft be ready to deliver? We would like to peruse the specifications of these craft before making any purchases.

Quite an order, I will try to handle it all.

All ships are networkable and various types of information can be remotely accessed by fellow fleet vessels. The C3 requirements are built in, as is the AEGIS system.

For the GM vessels, for all vessels actually, please check the updated stats and specify which capacity ship you would prefer by posting in the info (some classes have as many as 3 different capacity variations).

As for the replacement of Phalanx systems with MTHEL systems, the MTHEL systems cannot track and eliminate close inbound weapons but is more for theater defense. The software, while capable of acquiring high-flying artillery rounds and Ballistic missiles, will not be able to counter the threat of sea-skimming rounds. While a MTHEL system is very good at what it does and can sometimes target aircraft, it is not suited for immediate defensive measures.

Seahawks and all Blackhawk-type helis are equipped with very good sensor suites adequate for all but the most extreme ends beyond stated class operational abilities. All equipment is NVG-friendly control systems. Specific class operational abilities are available for inspection here: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/h-60.htm
LAMPS MkIII Seahawk specs are here: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/sh-60.htm
We use SH-60B Seahawks, but F-mods are available.

The missile boat specs are up and the first craft not delivered to our own forces will be available in 1 NS month (tomorrow RL time).

I hope that you have received answers for all of your questions and so can give the exact makes and models of your desired ships. Please be sure to specify the ratio of certain types of VLS missiles.

We appreciate your interest and look forward to meeting your needs.

We are looking for a Coast Guard/Police patrol boats. what kind of ships do you have to offer in that category



________________________
-Fred Fredrickson
-BigX Commodities / BigX Defense Contractors
-BigX Building, White City

While the missile boats and corvettes are a bit overpowered for such a task, they can be dual-use ships (police/coast guard in peace and littoral combat ships in war). We are bringing out 2 medium-sized but fast and very capable patrol ships.

The Super Dvora Mk II Patrol Boat is 25m long, with a displacement of only 60 tonnes. It is capable of operating under almost all weather conditions. It is armed with a remotely-controlled and stabilized (by a Typhoon G) 20mm Gun. It is possible to fit another smaller gun or two (7.62 NATO or .50 cal) based on a miniTyphoon or operated conventionally, but at least one operator is required and some fuel capacity is degraded. It has up to a 10 man crew, though it can be run with 5 at more than decent capacity. The top speed is over 50 knots. Has a search light and standard navigation radar. Cost: $4M

The Shaldag Mk II Patrol Boat is 24m long, and has weapons capacity similar to the Super Dvora, but can operate at almost 60knots for fast interdictions. The ship has some upgraded control systems but is generally considered to be the replacement for old Super Dvoras. The Shaldag is still in planning and will be slightly more expensive, but will be out in the future. Also has a system that can be used for long range day-and-night detection and identification of vessels. Cost: $4.5M


I hope that one of these vessels fits your requirements.

(OOC: I have a smaller boat but cannot get the specs now. I will update this post when they are ready).

Tiryanistan has expressed interest in the past in light patrol boats similar to those that fit into Chinese military doctrine. However it seems the Western Asia is selling coast guard patrol vessels not anti ship patrol vessels. If Western Asia is familiar with the BM21 system they may understand the meaning of this post.
Many of China's patrol boat fleet are armed with the BM21 MRLS system which is a lightweight rocket artillery system. I don't know much of the specs but apparently these things are great because they are cheap and if you don't care about casualties you can swamp fleets with them.
Think perhaps an 80 ton vessel with 3-5 crew and 40+ light, long range artillery rockets. The rockets don't need to be capable of destroying vessels instantly - they are meant to disable at range in excess of 40km (25 miles) Hence military patrol craft. And they are an excellent and cheap alternative to heavy naval vessels.
If Western Asia is prepared to produce such vessels the Holy Emperor would be pleased. However just a warning. Chinese military doctrine is entirely different to US doctrine in that many parts of the military are considered expendable as long as they do some damage to their enemies. This is similar to the Holy Imperial armies doctrine. But many nations which have to send letters home to voters may not wish to employ such tactics and may still prefer the original patrol craft for coast guard work.

Sheiniar is proud to offer a wide variety of floating logs. This obscure, backwards and prehistoric nation is prepared to sell upwards of two large cylinders of natural wood.
Good for sitting on and floating, and in experimental stages regarding "fire". Be sure to stay updated on the progress with this "hot" new technology.

Tiryanistan has expressed interest in the past in light patrol boats similar to those that fit into Chinese military doctrine. However it seems the Western Asia is selling coast guard patrol vessels not anti ship patrol vessels. If Western Asia is familiar with the BM21 system they may understand the meaning of this post.
Many of China's patrol boat fleet are armed with the BM21 MRLS system which is a lightweight rocket artillery system. I don't know much of the specs but apparently these things are great because they are cheap and if you don't care about casualties you can swamp fleets with them.
Think perhaps an 80 ton vessel with 3-5 crew and 40+ light, long range artillery rockets. The rockets don't need to be capable of destroying vessels instantly - they are meant to disable at range in excess of 40km (25 miles) Hence military patrol craft. And they are an excellent and cheap alternative to heavy naval vessels.
If Western Asia is prepared to produce such vessels the Holy Emperor would be pleased. However just a warning. Chinese military doctrine is entirely different to US doctrine in that many parts of the military are considered expendable as long as they do some damage to their enemies. This is similar to the Holy Imperial armies doctrine. But many nations which have to send letters home to voters may not wish to employ such tactics and may still prefer the original patrol craft for coast guard work.

We're already working on a similar system, about the size of a 3in gun (the turret, not including the barrel)....the range is 45km. As for ships, I can't get the smaller ship specs until later.

The name of the system is NAVLAR. As for size, those are REALLY TINY ships. It is designed to fire the LAR-160 that deploys submunitions over the target area. While it is rated for 1,000+ ton vessels, I'll see what can be done. I'm basing smaller vessels on the highly successful Israeli designs, this is a continuation of that. The launch pod containers hold 13 of the 160mm diam rockets. We COULD sell you the system and the boats and let you figure it out yourself, but we'll see what can be done 1st.

We, being democratic, don't follow those tactics...you're right there.

We would like to place an order for 20 Super Dvora Mk II Patrol Boat's with 2 extra .50cals on them

and

10 Shaldag Mk II Patrol Boat's

________________________
-Fred Fredrickson
-BigX Commodities / BigX Defense Contractors
-BigX Building, White City

I'd like 2 of your cheaper corvettes, and one of those small recon boats which i cant remember the name of.

I would like one light Crusier about 6,500 tons full with 8 3 in guns in single mountings, 1 twin launcher for 40 surface to air missiles and two triple tube mounting for torpedos, a top speed of 31 kts, steam turbines and carrying a crew of 425.

3 destoryers, weighting 3,320 tons full with 6 5 In. guns, 4 3 In. guns in 2 twin moutings, 4 surface to surface missiles in 4 lauchers, 2 triple tube launchers and two forward firing hedgehog morters(A/S). Steam Turbines, a top speed of 34 kts. and carring a crew of 331.

5 frigates 2700 tons full with 6 three In. guns, two triple tube torpedoes launchers, one simiAutomatic dept charge launcher. CODAG(Cobined Desiel and Gas Turbines.) top speed 28 Kts. and carring 150 man crew.

6 Corvettes 850 tons full load with 1 3inch gun, one 40mm AA gun, two 20mm AA guns, one triple launcher for 12 surface to air missiles, one 375mm bofors two barrel rocket launcher, Desiel turbines 27 Kt top speed, crew of 90.

Is this workable?

The People's Republic of Cyberutopia woul like to buy 1 of the 860 million GM Cruisers, 4 of the 178 million ASW Frigates, 2 with mine-sweeping gear, 4 of the 220 million FD Destroyers, in AA configuration, and 4 of the 260 million GM Destroyers.

Also due to the lack of cruisers we will be interested in buying 20 Ben-Gurion class cruisers with options for 30 more depending if we find another class of cruisers that can augment the ones we are purchasing.

We would like to place an order for 20 Super Dvora Mk II Patrol Boat's with 2 extra .50cals on them

and

10 Shaldag Mk II Patrol Boat's

________________________
-Fred Fredrickson
-BigX Commodities / BigX Defense Contractors
-BigX Building, White City

Certainly possible (OOC: I've posted prices at the above post (under descriptions), if they seem out of whack then just tell me).

20X Super Dvora Mk II Patrol Boat @ $4million = $80M
40X "Ma Duce" Browning M2 0.50cal machine gun @ $14,500 = $580,000
40X miniTyphoon Remote Stabilized Weapons System@ $35,000 = $1.4M
10X Shaldag Mk II Patrol Boat @ $4.5M = $45M

Semitotal, without charges, is $126,980,000
Total, with charges, is $127.98M

Glad to do business with you, I hope that you are satisfied with our products. BTW, the miniTyphoons that are installed on your Super Dvoras can be installed on most vehicles, offering superior ability with minimal danger to the operator. All functions of the gun are remotely operateable from a small computer station within the vehicle.

The Shaldags should be rolling out in a month (tomorrow, RL time). Yours will be the first lot after our own vessels are completed. Thank you for your patronage.

I'd like 2 of your cheaper corvettes, and one of those small recon boats which i cant remember the name of.

Do you mean the Nirit Missile Boat or one of the Super Dvoras? I get the feeling that you mean the Dvoras...

2X Corvette (Helicopter-enabled), Baseline 2 equipment@ $150M/unit= $300M
1X Super Dvora Mk II Patrol Boat @ $4M/unit= $4M

Total, with charges for helis and equipment, $330M

Glad to do business with you.

Teritora, I need some time to put together some specs. Have you checked the first post on the thread yet?

The People's Republic of Cyberutopia woul like to buy 1 of the 860 million GM Cruisers, 4 of the 178 million ASW Frigates, 2 with mine-sweeping gear, 4 of the 220 million FD Destroyers, in AA configuration, and 4 of the 260 million GM Destroyers.

1X GM Cruiser (64-missile array, Helicopter-enabled)@ $860M/unit= $860M
4X ASW Frigate (anti-submarine, 8-missile VLS array)@ $178M/unit= $712M
2X Minesweeping upgrade to ASW Frigate@ $2M/unit= $4M
4X FD Destroyer (anti-air (18 deck-launched SAMs), fully outfitted, Helicopter-enabled)@ $220M/unit= $880M
4X GM Destroyer (guided-missile, 24-missile array, Helicopter-enabled)@ $260M/unit=$1.04Bn
13X SH-60 LAMPS III Seahawks@ $12M/unit= $156M

Total, with charges, is $3.7Bn

Glad to do business with you. I hope that you are well-served by our goods.


Also due to the lack of cruisers we will be interested in buying 20 Ben-Gurion class cruisers with options for 30 more depending if we find another class of cruisers that can augment the ones we are purchasing.

Should I take it that you want the Baseline 2 level Ben Gurions (127-missile VLS array)? I don't want to write you up for something that doesn't meet your needs. As for the other class, have you seen our Heavy Cruisers? We hope to be bringing down the prices for these two top-level Cruisers soon.

Here are the relative prices (from the first post):

$220M per GM Cruiser (16-missile array, Helicopter-enabled), Baseline 0
$860M per GM Cruiser (64-missile array, Helicopter-enabled), Baseline 1
$1.2 Bn per GM Cruiser (127-missile array, Helicopter-Enabled), Baseline 2

$1Bn per Heavy Bombardment Cruiser (16-missile array, 4-155mm shore bombardment guns in 2-double batteries, 3-6in guns, 4- 5in guns, added experimental combham-style armor, Helicopter-enabled)
NOTE: An MLRS system can be installed in the place of 2 of the 5in guns and 1 of the 155mm double batteries. There is some added cost involved, probably $4 million, comes armed with rockets.

The cost of 20 ships, with helicopters, ranges from $4.64Bn to $24.24Bn.

I hope that one of these ships is what you are looking for. And, with such numbers of vessels, you can ask for specific, special, configurations of the cruiser class that you have chosen.

GMC would like to enquire as to whether Western Asia has a costing for the proposed bombardment platform yet, and also what Western Asia would think of the prospects of mounting our naval 19.2in railgun on a triple-hull ship. Given the excellent performance of Cervantes in sea trails, we're looking around for possible improvements for a second vessel, provisionally named Ashitaka.

Rachel Knight, External Affairs, GMC Military Arms.

GMC would like to enquire as to whether Western Asia has a costing for the proposed bombardment platform yet, and also what Western Asia would think of the prospects of mounting our naval 19.2in railgun on a triple-hull ship. Given the excellent performance of Cervantes in sea trails, we're looking around for possible improvements for a second vessel, provisionally named Ashitaka.

Rachel Knight, External Affairs, GMC Military Arms.

With the establishment of the Heavy Cruiser chassis, we believe that we can now accomodate such larger weapons. If you want, we could organize a workshop (either on your territory or on mine, I believe that we both have proper facilities) where a basic heavy cruiser chassis (Hull, deck, engine + systems established but without above-deck structures or defined bulkheads) might be modified to meet the demands of the Railgun. When the vessel goes into production, the design should not price to much more than that of the Heavy Cruiser. Of course, we have not yet adapted a nuclear powerplant onto that chassis, so the cost of the powerplant must be factored in somewhere along the way. We look forward to the continuation of this project.

To comply with the limit of 10 ships of special confguration ships we are lessening what we want to:



one light Crusier about 6,500 tons full load with 8 3 in guns in single mountings, 1 twin launcher for 40 surface to air missiles and two triple tube mounting for torpedos, a top speed of 31 kts, steam turbines and carrying a crew of 425.

2 destoryers, weighting 3,320 tons full load with 6 5 In. guns, 4 3 In. guns in 2 twin moutings, 4 surface to surface missiles in 4 lauchers, 2 triple tube launchers and two forward firing hedgehog morters(A/S). Steam Turbines, a top speed of 34 kts. and carring a crew of 331.

3 frigates 2700 tons full load with 6 three In. guns, two triple tube torpedoes launchers, one simiAutomatic dept charge launcher. CODAG(Cobined Desiel and Gas Turbines.) top speed 28 Kts. and carring 150 man crew.

4 Corvettes 850 tons full load with 1 3inch gun, one 40mm AA gun, two 20mm AA guns, one triple launcher for 12 surface to air missiles, one 375mm bofors two barrel rocket launcher, Desiel turbines 27 Kt top speed, crew of 90.

The People's Republic of Cyberutopia woul like to buy 1 of the 860 million GM Cruisers, 4 of the 178 million ASW Frigates, 2 with mine-sweeping gear, 4 of the 220 million FD Destroyers, in AA configuration, and 4 of the 260 million GM Destroyers.

1X GM Cruiser (64-missile array, Helicopter-enabled)@ $860M/unit= $860M
4X ASW Frigate (anti-submarine, 8-missile VLS array)@ $178M/unit= $712M
2X Minesweeping upgrade to ASW Frigate@ $2M/unit= $4M
4X FD Destroyer (anti-air (18 deck-launched SAMs), fully outfitted, Helicopter-enabled)@ $220M/unit= $880M
4X GM Destroyer (guided-missile, 24-missile array, Helicopter-enabled)@ $260M/unit=$1.04Bn
13X SH-60 LAMPS III Seahawks@ $12M/unit= $156M

Total, with charges, is $3.7Bn

Western Asia, I have my own helicopters. The ones you supply will nt be nessecary. As soon as you can come up with the price without the helicopters, I will wire the money to you. Good doing business with you.

The People's Republic of Cyberutopia woul like to buy 1 of the 860 million GM Cruisers, 4 of the 178 million ASW Frigates, 2 with mine-sweeping gear, 4 of the 220 million FD Destroyers, in AA configuration, and 4 of the 260 million GM Destroyers.

1X GM Cruiser (64-missile array, Helicopter-enabled)@ $860M/unit= $860M
4X ASW Frigate (anti-submarine, 8-missile VLS array)@ $178M/unit= $712M
2X Minesweeping upgrade to ASW Frigate@ $2M/unit= $4M
4X FD Destroyer (anti-air (18 deck-launched SAMs), fully outfitted, Helicopter-enabled)@ $220M/unit= $880M
4X GM Destroyer (guided-missile, 24-missile array, Helicopter-enabled)@ $260M/unit=$1.04Bn
13X SH-60 LAMPS III Seahawks@ $12M/unit= $156M

Total, with charges, is $3.7Bn

Western Asia, I have my own helicopters. The ones you supply will nt be nessecary. As soon as you can come up with the price without the helicopters, I will wire the money to you. Good doing business with you.

Ok, the final price is then $3.544bn Glad to have met your needs.

To comply with the limit of 10 ships of special confguration ships we are lessening what we want to:



one light Crusier about 6,500 tons full load with 8 3 in guns in single mountings, 1 twin launcher for 40 surface to air missiles and two triple tube mounting for torpedos, a top speed of 31 kts, steam turbines and carrying a crew of 425.

2 destoryers, weighting 3,320 tons full load with 6 5 In. guns, 4 3 In. guns in 2 twin moutings, 4 surface to surface missiles in 4 lauchers, 2 triple tube launchers and two forward firing hedgehog morters(A/S). Steam Turbines, a top speed of 34 kts. and carring a crew of 331.

3 frigates 2700 tons full load with 6 three In. guns, two triple tube torpedoes launchers, one simiAutomatic dept charge launcher. CODAG(Cobined Desiel and Gas Turbines.) top speed 28 Kts. and carring 150 man crew.

4 Corvettes 850 tons full load with 1 3inch gun, one 40mm AA gun, two 20mm AA guns, one triple launcher for 12 surface to air missiles, one 375mm bofors two barrel rocket launcher, Desiel turbines 27 Kt top speed, crew of 90.

Teritora, 2 things: 1) it's a minimum of 10 ships, 2) I agreed to modify these ones without extra cost, though I was more wondering about how close each of the ships you were interested in was to the ships offered. I am pulling together all of the specs for these ships.

As for the crew numbers, most of the ships, except for perhaps the cruiser and frigates (I don't know yet) have about 2/3 to a half of the crew you are asking for).

Most of the ships have diesel-electric special generator engines that power electric waterjets and motors for engines. The reason for this is that it allows us to place the motor/generator in a safer place (like where it can be armored) and to allow a greater freedom in the placement of the propellor stations. The top speeds also tend to be quite a bit higher (improved power+ efficiency, stability (with trimarans, there is less effect to the rapid rising and falling on rough seas or at high speeds, since the three hulls tend to keep most of the mass in the water most of the time, so the ship isn't battered as much and can go faster in worse conditions than its monohull counterparts)).

I'll see what our engineers can do for the guns that you have requeted.


In terms of a direct response to your original message, we have the stats for a cruiser laid out:

I would like one light Crusier about 6,500 tons full with 8 3 in guns in single mountings, 1 twin launcher for 40 surface to air missiles and two triple tube mounting for torpedos, a top speed of 31 kts, steam turbines and carrying a crew of 425.

Our crew numbers run a bit lower than that, thanks to automation of many systems, we need much less crew than the normal ships of each class. While the Ticonderoga-Class Cruisers demand 24 Officers, 340 Enlisted persons, we only require 20 officers and 220 Enlisted persons (PC).

Our top speed is significantly higher than that, over 45knots. We use diesel-electric generators to power the electric motors and water jets. I believe that all larger ships now come with the deck-mounted triple tube mounted torpedoes. As for the SAMs, there are about 40 Sea-Sparrow and RIM-67 missiles and longer/higher reaching SAMs are VLS-launched. The price is $220M per GM Cruiser (16-missile array, Helicopter-enabled).

Ships above Corvette class can hold and supply 2 Helis; Corvettes 1.

Armament is 1-6in, 2-5in (upgraded to Mk 45 mod 4s), and about 4-3in guns, and between 2 and 4 .50cal Brownings (Typhoon system NOT standard above patrol boats, although available). Unfortunately, the displacement for our ships run at about 10,000 tonnes, fully equipped, on average.

The People's Republic of Cyberutopia woul like to buy 1 of the 860 million GM Cruisers, 4 of the 178 million ASW Frigates, 2 with mine-sweeping gear, 4 of the 220 million FD Destroyers, in AA configuration, and 4 of the 260 million GM Destroyers.

1X GM Cruiser (64-missile array, Helicopter-enabled)@ $860M/unit= $860M
4X ASW Frigate (anti-submarine, 8-missile VLS array)@ $178M/unit= $712M
2X Minesweeping upgrade to ASW Frigate@ $2M/unit= $4M
4X FD Destroyer (anti-air (18 deck-launched SAMs), fully outfitted, Helicopter-enabled)@ $220M/unit= $880M
4X GM Destroyer (guided-missile, 24-missile array, Helicopter-enabled)@ $260M/unit=$1.04Bn
13X SH-60 LAMPS III Seahawks@ $12M/unit= $156M

Total, with charges, is $3.7Bn

Western Asia, I have my own helicopters. The ones you supply will nt be nessecary. As soon as you can come up with the price without the helicopters, I will wire the money to you. Good doing business with you.

Ok, the final price is then $3.544bn Glad to have met your needs.

Thank you, the money has been wired to you. We eagerly await our new task force.

Thank you, the money has been wired to you. We eagerly await our new task force.

The task force is already enroute. ETA is 12 NS hours. Upon arrival, the current crews of the ships (minimum non-combatant crew: Mechanics, navigational personnel, special machinery operators, officer, minimal weapons operators-- total of about 20-60) will provide instruction for your future sailors.

If the sailors have previous experience then the training should not last for more than 2 NS days and our sailors will be returning aboard a supply ship that is accompanying the fleet. All of the onboard systems have been tested and are certified for use under practical conditions.


We hope that you are pleased with the performance of the task force.

We need some of your excellent vessels for a coastal patrol search and rescue minesweeping facility:

2 ASW Frigates, upgraded for minewsweeping , + 10% for small order:
198 Million
4 Blackhawk helicopters 36 Million
5 Helicopter- equipped Corvettes 750 Million
5 Blackhawks 36 million
10 extra Blackhawks for shore-based duties 90 Million
30 Super Dvora patrol boats 120 Million
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1230 Million

It's most of my budget, but we have a hundred sunlit harbours to protect.

Please Confirm this order is acceptable and advise delivery

The Teritoran Naval review board and the coast guard review board reviewed the The optons offered by Western Asia but concluded that the current Teritoran request best matches its needs and asks about price and deivlery.

Occ. think of the review boards as being full of people who still think the gunboat and the subdepartmented single hull is surpime with all evidence to the contary.

We need some of your excellent vessels for a coastal patrol search and rescue minesweeping facility:

2 ASW Frigates, upgraded for minewsweeping , + 10% for small order:
198 Million
4 Blackhawk helicopters 36 Million
5 Helicopter- equipped Corvettes 750 Million
5 Blackhawks 36 million
10 extra Blackhawks for shore-based duties 90 Million
30 Super Dvora patrol boats 120 Million
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1230 Million

It's most of my budget, but we have a hundred sunlit harbours to protect.

Please Confirm this order is acceptable and advise delivery

Glad to be of assistance.

For your needs, you might be interested in our future roll-out of RHIs (Rigid Hull-Inflatables) that were designed specifically with the input of our Special Naval Interdiction Units (OOC: the rough equivalent of SEALs, though more marine oriented, they still do some in-land action but are better trained for ship and at-sea platform seizures and near-shore work).

As for the "small order" charges, most of those have been incorporated into the additonal charges and the basic prices. The charge was to begin a new line of ships but to only then buy a few craft. Most of the Craft being offered are represented in our navy (which is very large thanks to the low costs of ships, low manpower requirements, and small marginal production costs) and so are exempt from much of the charge.
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9X SH-60 LAMPS III Seahawks@ $12M/unit= $108M
2X ASW Frigate (anti-submarine, 8-missile VLS array)@$178M/unit= $356M
2X ASW Frig. Minesweeping mod@ $2M/unit= $4M
30X Super Dvora Mk II Patrol Boats@$4M/unit= $120M
5X Corvette (Helicopter-enabled)@$150M/unit= $750M

Semitotal Cost (NOT Incl. land-based helis), including charges, is: $1.35Bn

Further clarifications will be available for any product.
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Did you want 2 frigates? The price you quoted was 1+10%
As for the helis, I'm not sure what price point you've based your costs on...(LAMPS Seahawks are basically what come on ships, the price for those can be seen in my sale to Cyberutopia. You can get basic Blackhawks (no anti-sub or anti-ship + no extended range) for about $9.5M
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As for the 10 land-based helis (not included in the above charges), are there any specific mods or are they basic Blackhawks? Most mods run about $11M but the basic UH-60s (utility) are just over $9M. If you want the ones with weapons pylons (Blackhawks DAPs, $12.5M) then those can be arranged. I will telgram you a place to look at models.

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Note: As this is a very large order, we are content to accept the payments over a longer period of time, and there is less need to pay upfront. Just pay me it all over a decent time and that will be fine (ooc: Just put off the majority for a day or two and your pop. growth should ease the funding problem).

Clan Smoke Jaguar is currently in the process of expanding its navy, and has set aside several $ billion to do so. In order to bolster our own production, we would like to order the following:

2xGM Cruiser (127-missile array) @ $2.4 billion
5xASW Frigate (16 VLS array) @ $1.19 billion
10xGM Corvette @ $1.85 billion
8xFAMB @ $1.04 billion
20xSH-60 LAMPS III @ $240 million
Total=$6.72 billion

We would like the first 4 corvettes armed with the SSM VLS, and the remaining 6 to have the helicopter facilities.

We are paying half $3.36 billion now, with the rest upon delivery.

Nargothrand would like to purchase 20 FAMBs.

The Arctanian Government thanks Western Asia for its helpful response.
We confirm the order for 1350 Million (i.e. two frigates, one noth coast, one south coast).

After looking at the specs we further order 10 Blackhawk DAPs for around 12.5 million each.

We will make payment over the next few days.

Thank You.

hello Western Asia... I'm ready to buy stuff... sorry I dont know more about Naval hardware...

I'd like 25 GM cruisers (220 million dollar ones)
25 FD defense destroyers (220 million dollar ones)
25 FD defense destroyers (260 million dollar ones)
25 GM destroyers ( 260 " ")
25 GM frigates (195 " ")
20 corvettes (150 " ")
30 fast attack missle boats
75 Super Dvora Mk II patrol boats

If this is confusing... I can change that...


And to those who may say I cannot afford this... I haven't bought anything for the last two weeks... and plus this is all i'll be buying for my navy for the forseeable future... so... whatever, I'll be in debt...

thanks

The Teritoran Naval review board and the coast guard review board reviewed the The optons offered by Western Asia but concluded that the current Teritoran request best matches its needs and asks about price and deivlery.

Occ. think of the review boards as being full of people who still think the gunboat and the subdepartmented single hull is surpime with all evidence to the contary.

Our engineers are on the matter, but have not been able to roll out any mroe stats for your board (OOC: I haven't had much time in the last 2 days)

We will try to submit more statistics, but it is not economically viable to make many additions to gun-numbers on our ships when most nations are basing their purchases on the missile power.

We will try to bring out a low-end, cannon-based set of ships, but the tech inside of the ships demands that they at least have a tech knowledge up to the real year 1998, preferably to the year 2000.

We understand the difficulty of approving military and other purchases from foreign powers but have been very lucky ourselves (several hundred million dollars paid for $0.05 oil is easily accepted, since it makes our national stores very strong and removes some of the fluctuation in oil prices, until we begin to use alternate sources of fuel more efficiently.

We await your board's response and will seek to fulfill it's ravenous demand for information soon.
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OOC: Other buyers, I'll be answering everyone through the Eastern Block. IF you have not confirmed a previous or current order, then I cannot send ships and/or complete the transaction, please post your acceptance if this is indeed the case. Thank you for your patience.

I want to order:

4 x $860M per GM Cruiser (64-missile array, Helicopter-enabled)

2 x 1Bn per Heavy Bombardment Cruiser WITH MLRS (16-missile array, 4-155mm shore bombardment guns in 2-double batteries, 3-6in guns, 4- 5in guns, added experimental combham-style armor, Helicopter-enabled)

2 x $260M per FD Destroyer (anti-submarine 24 VLS array)

2 x $260M per FD Destroyer (anti-air, 24 VLS array)

5 x $260M per GM Destroyer (guided-missile, 24-missile array, Helicopter-enabled)

5 x $195M per GM Frigate (Guided-missile, 16-missile array, Helicopter-enabled)

2 x $185M per Corvette (Guided-missile, 8-missile array) Baseline 2 equipment

5 x $130M per Fast Attack Missile Boat (called FAMB or Nirit), fully

15 x $4.5M per Shaldag Mk II Patrol Boat, fully

15 x $4M per Super Dvora Mk II Patrol Boat, fully


Giovanni Marchi
Consigliori of the Holy Empire of Mafiosi

Clan Smoke Jaguar is currently in the process of expanding its navy, and has set aside several $ billion to do so. In order to bolster our own production, we would like to order the following:

2xGM Cruiser (127-missile array) @ $2.4 billion
5xASW Frigate (16 VLS array) @ $1.19 billion
10xGM Corvette @ $1.85 billion
8xFAMB @ $1.04 billion
20xSH-60 LAMPS III @ $240 million
Total=$6.72 billion

We would like the first 4 corvettes armed with the SSM VLS, and the remaining 6 to have the helicopter facilities.

We are paying half $3.36 billion now, with the rest upon delivery.Back



"2xGM Cruiser (127-missile array) @ $2.4 billion
5xASW Frigate (16 VLS array) @ $1.19 billion
10xGM Corvette @ $1.85 billion
8xFAMB @ $1.04 billion
20xSH-60 LAMPS III @ $240 million
Total=$6.72 billion"
Total, with equipage charges, runs more towards $6.76Bn

The prices are confirmed, the ships that you requested and in the numbers stated are already available, the fleet is underway. Any training that is needed will be provided by the skeleton crews provided, after 2 weeks NS time (tomorrow, RL time), the crews should be trained in the specific quirks of our ships, any pre-training should be handled by your forces, unless you want our instructors to provide more complete training, which will require a few months and will occur at our bases.
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Nargothrand would like to purchase 20 FAMBs.

Glad to do business with you again.

20X Fast Attack Missile Boat (called FAMB or Nirit)@$130M/unit= $2.6Bn
Total, with charges, is $2.610Bn, the boats have full armaments included, for a good customer.

As soon as the prices are confirmed, the ships that you requested and in the numbers stated are already available so the fleet will be immediately sent. Any training that is needed will be provided by the skeleton crews provided, after a week NS time (tomorrow morning, RL time), the crews should be trained in the specific quirks of our ships, any pre-training should be handled by your forces, unless you want our instructors to provide more complete training, which will require a few months and will occur at our bases.
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The Arctanian Government thanks Western Asia for its helpful response.
We confirm the order for 1350 Million (i.e. two frigates, one noth coast, one south coast).

After looking at the specs we further order 10 Blackhawk DAPs for around 12.5 million each.

We will make payment over the next few days.

Confirmed, the total amount owed is $1,362,500,000 minus amount paid (the charges for the additional Blackhawks are considered to be rolled into the previous purchase price…for a good customer.

As soon as the prices are confirmed, the ships that you requested and in the numbers stated are already available so the fleet will be immediately sent. Any training that is needed will be provided by the skeleton crews provided, after a 2 weeks NS time (tomorrow, RL time), the crews should be trained in the specific quirks of our ships, any pre-training should be handled by your forces, unless you want our instructors to provide more complete training, which will require a few months and will occur at our bases.

The land-based helicopters need special training, if you want, we will take your planned crews or instructors for future crews out to demonstrate the capabilities of the DAP variant. The armament for this model is based on the two pylons attached to the sides of the helicopter. Some troops can be carried as well, but the armament controls take up most of the interior space, so only about 5 passengers can fit, MAX, in each of these choppers. Allow me to remind you that any of your seaborne helis can be used on land, although the Seahawks with the LAMPS system are fairly useless for troop transport. The armaments for the pylons are varied, so one of these arrangements can go on each
--Multiple 30-mm Chain Guns
-- Racks of four Hellfires and 2.75 in rocket pods (as on an Apache)
-- 40 mm grenade launcher
-- Trainable 7.62 mm Gatling guns
All systems are remotely operated and linked to the pilot’s and co-pilot’s helmets, though the gunner can also control the system by a Remove Video Viewing & Control System (RVVCS). The weapons can be set to target based on the zone where the pilot is looking, thanks to advanced targeting technology that allows a pilot to look, target, and shoot while still maintaining control of the craft, though we suggest sharing the responsibilities. Advanced avionics and control systems are included as well.

In spite of the added pylons door weapons, such as a .50 cal machine gun, can still be used. The basic armament of 2, 7.62mm machine guns can still be used as well, though the range is much more limited than the pylon mounts.
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I'd like 25 GM cruisers (220 million dollar ones)
25 FD defense destroyers (220 million dollar ones)
25 FD defense destroyers (260 million dollar ones)
25 GM destroyers ( 260 " ")
25 GM frigates (195 " ")
20 corvettes (150 " ")
30 fast attack missle boats
75 Super Dvora Mk II patrol boats

If this is confusing... I can change that...
We can work out a debt-payment deal as we did before, just so long as we are paid the full sum in a reasonable amount of time (1 RL week, or several NS months, if not years).


25X GM Cruiser (16-missile array)@ $220M/unit= $5.5Bn
25X FD Destroyer (anti-submarine or anti-air, 16-missile VLS array)@ $220M/unit= $5.5Bn
25X FD Destroyer (anti-submarine or anti-air, 24-missile VLS array)@ $260M/unit= $6.5Bn
25X GM Destroyer (guided-missile, 24-missile array)@ $260M/unit= $6.5Bn
25X GM Frigate (Guided-missile, 16-missile array)@ $195M/unit= $4.875Bn
20X Corvette (Helicopter-enabled, Baseline 2 equipment)@ $150M/unit= $3.0Bn
30X Fast Attack Missile Boat (called FAMB, AKA "Nirit")@ $130M/unit=$3.9Bn
75X Super Dvora Mk II Patrol Boat @$4M/unit= $300M

Due to the massive order size, we will be including the M2 .50 cal machineguns mounted on the MiniTyphoon stations on every Super Dvora purchased… That is 150 weapons stations, free of charge. In addition, the FAMBs and Super Dvoras all come with a full compliment of weapons loaded in.

The Subtotal (pending helicopter approvals, with $5M in charges (most equipage charges cancelled)) is (ooc: wow): $36.08Bn

Questions:
For the 50 FD Destroyers, you have the option of anti-sub or AA versions. I need to know your ratios, the price won’t change but the records require the specifications, the specs are available in the first post as to the armaments of each type.

Do you want the 140 Seahawks that come normally (at a bulk price of $11M/unit) or the full compliment of 270 (2 per ship above corvette, 1 per corvette)? They can come in any configuration or mix of configurations that you want.

Training at our facilities and/or at yours is completely free of charge.
Expect 5 Ships of each class delivered/NS month (each RL day).

As agreed, we are lending you 2 of our Heavy Bombardment Cruisers until your ships arrive.

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That's all for now, orders after the Bloc will be dealt with separately.

the FD destroyers... I'd like it split down the middle, 25 anti sub, another 25 anti air...

I'll take the standard 140 seahawks


and... I can pay about 2 billion dollars per NS month... I've saved up for this and my economy is doing real well right now... I hope thats an adequate monthly payment

We may be interested in upgrading our navy sometime in the near future and we must say that we were impressed with the performance of your ships in the Arani conflict before our withdrawl. Would you be willing to sell ships to us?

We are interested in purchasing the following:
1X $220M FD Destroyer (anti-air, fully outfitted, Helicopter-enabled)
1X $178M ASW Frigate (anti-submarine, 8-missile VLS array)+ $2M minesweeping
1X $260M GM Destroyer (guided-missile, 24-missile array, Helicopter-enabled)

2X Seahawk helicopter - how much would these cost?

Thanks.

Should I take it that you want the Baseline 2 level Ben Gurions (127-missile VLS array)? I don't want to write you up for something that doesn't meet your needs. As for the other class, have you seen our Heavy Cruisers? We hope to be bringing down the prices for these two top-level Cruisers soon.

Here are the relative prices (from the first post):

$220M per GM Cruiser (16-missile array, Helicopter-enabled), Baseline 0
$860M per GM Cruiser (64-missile array, Helicopter-enabled), Baseline 1
$1.2 Bn per GM Cruiser (127-missile array, Helicopter-Enabled), Baseline 2

$1Bn per Heavy Bombardment Cruiser (16-missile array, 4-155mm shore bombardment guns in 2-double batteries, 3-6in guns, 4- 5in guns, added experimental combham-style armor, Helicopter-enabled)
NOTE: An MLRS system can be installed in the place of 2 of the 5in guns and 1 of the 155mm double batteries. There is some added cost involved, probably $4 million, comes armed with rockets.

The cost of 20 ships, with helicopters, ranges from $4.64Bn to $24.24Bn.

I hope that one of these ships is what you are looking for. And, with such numbers of vessels, you can ask for specific, special, configurations of the cruiser class that you have chosen. We will decrease our options on 30 to a lower amount since we purchased 5 Orca Class Heavy Cruiser and hope to place options for 5 more. And its a deal. :D

We may be interested in upgrading our navy sometime in the near future and we must say that we were impressed with the performance of your ships in the Arani conflict before our withdrawl. Would you be willing to sell ships to us?

Certainly, but as a member of GDODAD, the purchase is limited to ships at and below cruiser (no heavy cruiser) and below the top-capacities for the GM ships. The Export Control Board will also not allow for the sale of our Arrow ABM system or our MTHEL ABM system for a while.

We will discuss the matter of which types and makes can and can't be sold when a deal is forthcoming. We will have to postpone any sale until after the completion of the Arani War (since we are technically at war with GDODAD at the moment), but will be happy to quote you a price.

the FD destroyers... I'd like it split down the middle, 25 anti sub, another 25 anti air...

I'll take the standard 140 seahawks


and... I can pay about 2 billion dollars per NS month... I've saved up for this and my economy is doing real well right now... I hope thats an adequate monthly payment

The cost for the 140 Seahawks (all antisub/antiship variety w/LAMPS system) is 1.54Bn

That brings the total cost to: $37.62Bn

We will equip the ordered FD destroyers as such: 26 AA, 24 ASW (since you have so many anti sub helis). 14 of the AAs will involve the larger capacity vessels and the other 12 the smaller capacity vessels, both types come with an easily-refillable 18 High Altitude, Long range, supersonic, SAM launch pod. The down-range distance (reach horizontally) is 100+nm, vertically, the SAMs can reach almost any altitude bombers (even bringing down U2 spy planes and B52 bombers). 11 of the ASW Destroyers will have high-capacity VLS arrays and 13 of them low-cap VLS arrays.

The orders will be processed as stated, the payment plan is found to be acceptable.

Mafiosi, your order comes down to this:

4x GM Cruiser (64-missile array)@$860M/unit= $3.44Bn
2x Heavy Bombardment Cruiser@$1.004Bn/unit= $2.008Bn
2x FD Destroyer (anti-submarine 24 VLS array)@$260M/unit=$520M
2x FD Destroyer (anti-air, 24 VLS array)@$260M/unit=$520M
5x GM Destroyer (guided-missile, 24-missile array)@$260M/unit= $1.3Bn
5x GM Frigate (Guided-missile, 16-missile array)@$195M/unit=$975M

2x Corvette (Guided-missile, 8-missile array)@$185M/unit= $370M
5x Fast Attack Missile Boat (called FAMB or Nirit)@$130M/unit=$650M
15x Shaldag Mk II Patrol Boat@ $4.5M/unit= $67.5M
15x Super Dvora Mk II Patrol Boat@$4M/unit= $60M

60x M2 .50 cal/MiniTyphoon Weapons stations for Patrol Boats@$49,500= $2.97M

20X Seahawks w/LAMPS syste@$12M/unit= $240M

TOTAL COST (with Equipage charges) is $10.37Bn


2x 1Bn per Heavy Bombardment Cruiser WITH MLRS (16-missile array, 4-155mm shore bombardment guns in 2-double batteries, 3-6in guns, 4- 5in guns, added experimental combham-style armor, Helicopter-enabled)
PLEASE NOTE: The MLRS system takes the space and resources associted with one of the 155mm double battery stations and 2 of the 5in gun stations.

Should I take it that you want the additional weapons stations when you say "fully" on the patrol boats? The FAMBs are loaded with weapons as requested and the cost is factored in.

We are interested in purchasing the following:
1X $220M FD Destroyer (anti-air, fully outfitted, Helicopter-enabled)
1X $178M ASW Frigate (anti-submarine, 8-missile VLS array)+ $2M minesweeping
1X $260M GM Destroyer (guided-missile, 24-missile array, Helicopter-enabled)

2X Seahawk helicopter - how much would these cost?

Thanks.

The Seahawks with the LAMPS ASW system cost $12M a unit

The cost of the requested ships and helicopters, with charges, is $724M
(if you want the basic helicopter package for your ships and the other 2 were additional helicopters, then the total cost is $765M)

Should I take it that you want the Baseline 2 level Ben Gurions (127-missile VLS array)? I don't want to write you up for something that doesn't meet your needs. As for the other class, have you seen our Heavy Cruisers? We hope to be bringing down the prices for these two top-level Cruisers soon.

Here are the relative prices (from the first post):

$220M per GM Cruiser (16-missile array, Helicopter-enabled), Baseline 0
$860M per GM Cruiser (64-missile array, Helicopter-enabled), Baseline 1
$1.2 Bn per GM Cruiser (127-missile array, Helicopter-Enabled), Baseline 2

$1Bn per Heavy Bombardment Cruiser (16-missile array, 4-155mm shore bombardment guns in 2-double batteries, 3-6in guns, 4- 5in guns, added experimental combham-style armor, Helicopter-enabled)
NOTE: An MLRS system can be installed in the place of 2 of the 5in guns and 1 of the 155mm double batteries. There is some added cost involved, probably $4 million, comes armed with rockets.

The cost of 20 ships, with helicopters, ranges from $4.64Bn to $24.24Bn.

I hope that one of these ships is what you are looking for. And, with such numbers of vessels, you can ask for specific, special, configurations of the cruiser class that you have chosen. We will decrease our options on 30 to a lower amount since we purchased 5 Orca Class Heavy Cruiser and hope to place options for 5 more. And its a deal. :D


Ok, We will give you the costs for the 20 Cruisers with the full load of LAMPS Seahawks

20X GM Cruiser (127-missile array, Helicopter-Enabled)@$1.2Bn= $24Bn
40X SH-60 LAMPS Seahawk@12M=$480M
Total cost=$24.48Bn

How many, if any do you want options on?
BTW, we've fitted the ships that we are building for you with cobham-like armor that limits the effect of HE and shaped-charge rounds on the ships, making them even more resistant to attack than they were with the special trimaran hull.

Glad to do business with you.

The First Korg would like to purchase a rubber duck.

Sorry, no rubber duckies

my naval is an innie!

my naval is an innie!

I believe you are thinking of a navel.

mmmmm ok.

Oglethorpia would like to make some purchases from your offered naval vessels.

1 GM Cruiser (64-missile array, Helicopter-enabled)
1 FD Destroyer (anti-submarine, Helicopter-enabled)
1 GM Frigate (Guided-missile, 16-missile array, Helicopter-enabled)
10 Shaldag Mk II Patrol Boats

Our est. total cost is: $1,320,000,000. We will make two $500 million dollar payments and a final one of $320,000,000 of an extended period of time.

1X GM Cruiser (64-missile array)@$860M/unit= $860M
1X FD Destroyer (anti-submarine, 16-missile VLS)@$220M/unit= $220M
1X GM Frigate (Guided-missile, 16-missile array)@$195M/unit= $195M
10X Shaldag Mk II Patrol Boat@$4.5M/unit= $45M

Subtotal: $2.32Bn
The normal compliment (not the full compliment) of aircraft for the fleet would be 3, SH-60 LAMPS Seahawks in the antisubmarine configuration for a price of $36M.

With equipage and assoc. charges for the ships, the total is 2.37Bn.
I hope that you find these terms acceptable and am glad to do business with you.

The Teritoran Naval review board and the coast guard review board reviewed the The optons offered by Western Asia but concluded that the current Teritoran request best matches its needs and asks about price and deivlery.

Occ. think of the review boards as being full of people who still think the gunboat and the subdepartmented single hull is surpime with all evidence to the contary.

Our engineers are on the matter, but have not been able to roll out any mroe stats for your board (OOC: I haven't had much time in the last 2 days)

We will try to submit more statistics, but it is not economically viable to make many additions to gun-numbers on our ships when most nations are basing their purchases on the missile power.

We will try to bring out a low-end, cannon-based set of ships, but the tech inside of the ships demands that they at least have a tech knowledge up to the real year 1998, preferably to the year 2000.

We understand the difficulty of approving military and other purchases from foreign powers but have been very lucky ourselves (several hundred million dollars paid for $0.05 oil is easily accepted, since it makes our national stores very strong and removes some of the fluctuation in oil prices, until we begin to use alternate sources of fuel more efficiently.

We await your board's response and will seek to fulfill it's ravenous demand for information soon.
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OOC: Other buyers, I'll be answering everyone through the Eastern Block. IF you have not confirmed a previous or current order, then I cannot send ships and/or complete the transaction, please post your acceptance if this is indeed the case. Thank you for your patience.

The board understands and will wait for more info. We ourselves have ships that are dry docked along the line of what we want bucause of the fact that no one in teritora knows how to make good ship based radio or sonar, its all preworld war II tech. We look forward to working with the Western Asia towards a purchice of ships that will suit our needs.

$1Bn per Heavy Bombardment Cruiser (16-missile array, 4-155mm shore bombardment guns in 2-double batteries, 3-6in guns, 4- 5in guns, added experimental combham-style armor, Helicopter-enabled)

We would like to ask if it would be possible to purchase two such vessels without fitted 155mm turrets, and whether the hull could handle the stresses of firing 4 16in 50 cal guns in similar location. We are well aware you named this vessel as a possible base for our proposed bombardment platform.
In addition, we would be glad to construct a workshop on our shores where our researchers can work with your own on this and other naval projects.
Regrettably, construction of the new Railship Ashitaka has already begun, but GMC is still interested in investigating the trimaran design for future Railships.
A fleet detachment will be sent to escort our vessels, if this is acceptable for you.

Rachel Knight, External Affairs, GMC Military Arms.

<OOC: Sorry, I always forget to check my telegrams>

Oglethorpia would like to make some purchases from your offered naval vessels.

1 GM Cruiser (64-missile array, Helicopter-enabled)
1 FD Destroyer (anti-submarine, Helicopter-enabled)
1 GM Frigate (Guided-missile, 16-missile array, Helicopter-enabled)
10 Shaldag Mk II Patrol Boats

Our est. total cost is: $1,320,000,000. We will make two $500 million dollar payments and a final one of $320,000,000 of an extended period of time.

1X GM Cruiser (64-missile array)@$860M/unit= $860M
1X FD Destroyer (anti-submarine, 16-missile VLS)@$220M/unit= $220M
1X GM Frigate (Guided-missile, 16-missile array)@$195M/unit= $195M
10X Shaldag Mk II Patrol Boat@$4.5M/unit= $45M

Subtotal: $2.32Bn
The normal compliment (not the full compliment) of aircraft for the fleet would be 3, SH-60 LAMPS Seahawks in the antisubmarine configuration for a price of $36M.

With equipage and assoc. charges for the ships, the total is 2.37Bn.
I hope that you find these terms acceptable and am glad to do business with you.

Agreed; we would also like to take your offer of the additional aircraft. for the extra 36 million.

would you like to see a picture of my naval?

is yours an innie or an outie.

im looking at a puchasing a small fleet to be avalible within 2 years comprising of:

3 $150M per Corvette (Helicopter-enabled), Baseline 2 equipment
2 $860M per GM Cruiser (64-missile array, Helicopter-enabled)
1 $1.2 Bn per GM Cruiser (127-missile array, Helicopter-Enabled)

2 $178M per ASW Frigate (anti-submarine, 8-missile VLS array)
1 $1Bn per Heavy Bombardment Cruiser (16-missile array, 4-155mm shore bombardment guns in 2-double batteries, 3-6in guns, 4- 5in guns, added experimental combham-style armor, Helicopter-enabled)

and if there is any chance of a coventional aircraft carrier or nuclear submerines some prices would be great

im looking at a puchasing a small fleet to be avalible within 2 years comprising of:

3 $150M per Corvette (Helicopter-enabled), Baseline 2 equipment
2 $860M per GM Cruiser (64-missile array, Helicopter-enabled)
1 $1.2 Bn per GM Cruiser (127-missile array, Helicopter-Enabled)

2 $178M per ASW Frigate (anti-submarine, 8-missile VLS array)
1 $1Bn per Heavy Bombardment Cruiser (16-missile array, 4-155mm shore bombardment guns in 2-double batteries, 3-6in guns, 4- 5in guns, added experimental combham-style armor, Helicopter-enabled)

and if there is any chance of a coventional aircraft carrier or nuclear submerines some prices would be great

Should I take it that you want the Baseline 2 level Ben Gurions (127-missile VLS array)? I don't want to write you up for something that doesn't meet your needs. As for the other class, have you seen our Heavy Cruisers? We hope to be bringing down the prices for these two top-level Cruisers soon.

Here are the relative prices (from the first post):

$220M per GM Cruiser (16-missile array, Helicopter-enabled), Baseline 0
$860M per GM Cruiser (64-missile array, Helicopter-enabled), Baseline 1
$1.2 Bn per GM Cruiser (127-missile array, Helicopter-Enabled), Baseline 2

$1Bn per Heavy Bombardment Cruiser (16-missile array, 4-155mm shore bombardment guns in 2-double batteries, 3-6in guns, 4- 5in guns, added experimental combham-style armor, Helicopter-enabled)
NOTE: An MLRS system can be installed in the place of 2 of the 5in guns and 1 of the 155mm double batteries. There is some added cost involved, probably $4 million, comes armed with rockets.

The cost of 20 ships, with helicopters, ranges from $4.64Bn to $24.24Bn.

I hope that one of these ships is what you are looking for. And, with such numbers of vessels, you can ask for specific, special, configurations of the cruiser class that you have chosen. We will decrease our options on 30 to a lower amount since we purchased 5 Orca Class Heavy Cruiser and hope to place options for 5 more. And its a deal. :D


Ok, We will give you the costs for the 20 Cruisers with the full load of LAMPS Seahawks

20X GM Cruiser (127-missile array, Helicopter-Enabled)@$1.2Bn= $24Bn
40X SH-60 LAMPS Seahawk@12M=$480M
Total cost=$24.48Bn

How many, if any do you want options on?
BTW, we've fitted the ships that we are building for you with cobham-like armor that limits the effect of HE and shaped-charge rounds on the ships, making them even more resistant to attack than they were with the special trimaran hull.

Glad to do business with you.We'll just purchase it w/o options. We will add them ourself later on. Thank you for the smooth transaction.

NOTE: Updated specs, prices, + models 4-20-03
---THE NEW, HIGH-CAPACITY VLS SYSTEMS ARE NOW AVAILABLE---

We have decided to offer some new, revolutionary technology at a very decent price. We present the Trimaran Surface Naval Vessel (C) or Trimaran Warship(C). Although it has been privately provided and offered previously, this is our first wide-spread public announcement. This is proprietary technology and cannot be reproduced without license.

We are very proud of the previous performances of our ships in the Delugian and current Aranian conflicts. They have had spectacular battle demonstrations well exceeding the minimum expected performance and very near surpassing the best that we had expected.

The innovative and Patented Trimaran (3-hulled) System(R) endow the vessels with certain benefits including:
--Reduced hull resistance (up to 20% reductions), making ship much more fuel efficient and thus has a longer range,
--Greater stability, allowing the use of heavier and taller equipment that might endanger a monohull's balance, enhanced ability to accommodate future equipment renovations and upgrades, stability and maneuverability over rough seas, and a stable landing platform under many conditions,
--Great maneuverability due to three engines and less resistance, also allows a greater power to weight ratio,
--Unusually large deck area (increase of about 40%) for small vessels, very useful for helicopter landings,
--Survivability, the outer hulls allow the ship to survive what might be an otherwise deadly torpedo or missile strike. The armored but mostly auxiliary facilities in these hulls serve as protection for the vital internal systems,
--Scalability, the same trimaran concept is applicable from small destroyers and patrol vessels all the way up to Heavy Cruisers and Aircraft Carriers (NOTE: Due to studies of modern naval warfare, there are no plans for the production of battleships as more effective and cost-efficient smaller vessels perform many battleship tasks better and with greater ease and mobility),
--All of the vessels have electric motors, which means that the power source need not be immediately adjacent to the propulsion system. The vessels are also equipped with dual-redundant fiber optic cable control systems. These factors provide greater survivability in conflicts and easier maintenance of the vessels.

STANDARD EQUIPMENT AND CAPABILITIES
In addition, the ships have been designed to have a low radar cross-section in recognition of a movement towards 'stealth' ships. All of the appropriate ships have AEGIS missile systems and surface-to-surface missiles. All units are equipped with unit-identification beacons for the Digital Theatre Combat Control/Coordination System (DT3CS). Many have a pod of Sea Sparrow missiles to defend against Anti-Ship cruise missiles and all are equipped with either Sea Sparrows or the RIM-66/67 standard missile pods. The main guns for the Cruiser are 1, 6in Cannon and 2, 5in cannons.

Note: Many 5 in guns are upgraded to the Mk45 Mod4 5" system. This upgraded system has greater automation that can identify different rounds and make adjustments to accomodate each type. The barrel is lengthened from 54 caliber to 62 caliber. The barrel is designed to stand much higher firing energies and can fire normal rounds slightly farther than the old styleguns. The Cruisers, Heavy Cruiser, and Destroyer main guns have been updated and others will follow later. The gun allows greater flexability in anti-ship and anti-air as well as bombardment roles.

The Trimaran Warships(tm) are equipped with small watercraft and a mix of H-60 battle transport helicopter models including Blackhawks, Pavehawks, Seahawks, and Pavehawks as is prudent and specified. The default equipment is the basic Blackhawk. Upgrades and specified modifications are extra but will be made as possible. The costs of the helicopters are the current market price (about $9-$14M) and are NOT included in the stated price.

PRICING
The asked-for prices are:
$220M per GM Cruiser (16-missile array, Helicopter-enabled)
$860M per GM Cruiser (64-missile array, Helicopter-enabled)
$1.2 Bn per GM Cruiser (127-missile array, Helicopter-Enabled)]

$1Bn per Heavy Bombardment Cruiser (16-missile array, 4-155mm shore bombardment guns in 2-double batteries, 3-6in guns, 4- 5in guns, added experimental combham-style armor, Helicopter-enabled)
NOTE: An MLRS system can be installed in the place of 2 of the 5in guns and 1 of the 155mm double batteries. There is some added cost involved, probably $4 million, comes armed with rockets.

$220M per FD Destroyer (anti-submarine or anti-air, fully outfitted, Helicopter-enabled)
$260M per FD Destroyer (anti-submarine or anti-air, 16 or 24 VLS array

$260M per GM Destroyer (guided-missile, 24-missile array, Helicopter-enabled)
$940M per GM Destroyer (guided-missile, 96-missile array, Helicopter-enabled)

$195M per GM Frigate (Guided-missile, 16-missile array, Helicopter-enabled)
$900M per GM Frigate (Guided-missile, 80-missile array, Helicopter-enabled)

$178M per ASW Frigate (anti-submarine, 8-missile VLS array)
VLS meant for ASW (Anti-Submarine) torpedos (4 come with) as well as rail-launched ASROCs, Helicopter-enabled). NOTE: for $2M/unit can be upgraded with ship-based mine-sweeping gear)
$238M per ASW Frigate (anti-submarine, 16 VLS array) other specs same as above.

$150M per Corvette (Helicopter-enabled), Baseline 2 equipment
$185M per Corvette (Guided-missile, 8-missile array) Baseline 2 equipment
--Possible "mini" depending on other factors, (pers ref: s'ar 5)

$130M per Fast Attack Missile Boat (called FAMB or Nirit), Specs below

$4.5M per Shaldag Mk II Patrol Boat, specs below
$4M per Super Dvora Mk II Patrol Boat, specs below

for these patrol boats as well as the Nirit, the following options are available
$14,500 per "Ma Duce" Browning M2 0.50cal machine gun (for MiniTyphoon)
$35,000 per miniTyphoon Remote Stabilized Weapons System
$17,000 per "Ma Duce" Browning M2 0.50cal machine gun (for manually control on mounted base)

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FUTURE:
-- Carrier (possibly both VTOL/heli and "conventional")
-- Fast Transport, undisclosed design, many classes of diverse roles, due out soon...specs being written up
-- Introduction of the Dolphin
-- Introduction of the AUSV/Manta + Accomodations
-- Small, fast patrol vehicle (pers ref:SupDevra)
The troop/materiel transporter will come out soon, the previous price has been recalled for it will not cover much of costs. The capacity will be very large.
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These are the prices at regular production (i.e. at least 5 ships being ordered). Costs of less than 5 are 10% to 15% more than stated since small runs are hard to start and without much pay-off. Prices are subject to change with notification.

Additional Tomahawk ASUW (Strike Anti-Surface) cost about $1.5M with purchase or $2M without. Also available for VLS use are the TBMD (Theater Ballistic Missile Defense), VL-ASROC (anti-submarine), RIM-67 and Sea Sparrow missile canisters (Ship Self Defense and multi-purpose S2S weapon), Additional weapons now include the LASM (Land Attack Standard Missile), a modified RIM-67 with a 200mi inland range. The "Affordable Weapon" is set to become available soon, a Cruise-like missile with a range comparable to the Tomahawk at a durastically lower price.

If special configurations of a class are desired, the order size must be for a minimum of 10 ships at full price with other charges since the new configuration requires a new production system, but further vessels will be at the reduced price. This is only for special cases however and many systems can be exchanged without significant problems. (note: some weapons systems will cost extra, others less, and this reality will be demonstrated in the final prices).

SPECIAL AVAILABLE CONFIGURATIONS
There are several special types of Trimaran Warships(tm) in production right now, including:
-- Cruisers (NOTE: with extra funds and approval, comes with MTHEL (Mobile Tactical High-Energy Laser) ABM system)
-- Fleet-defense Destroyers are either a(n) a) AA-equipped vessels with additional SA and/or ABM configurations*, OR b) Anti-AntiShip Cruise Missile (with extra SeaSparrow and/or RIM-67 pods) configuration , OR c)Standard (counter-submarine) configuration

* The AA/ABM version has, in addition to the standard Destroyer defenses, additional AA capabilities in the form of SAM and AA gun batteries and Arrow and MTHEL (Mobile Tactical High-Energy Laser) ABM batteries with accompanying systems. 2 SAM (18 missiles) or 2 MTHEL (2 targeting stands with power source) or 1 Arrow (6 missiles) battery is in each sub-category. A mix is possible. Most vessels come with 2-4 AA gun batteries. The ships have extra Sea Sparrow and Rim-67 missiles against a variety of targets.
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VESSEL DESCRIPTIONS FOLLOW:
Corvette
Displacement for a 95m (~285ft) model is 950 metric tons. The vessels have an official top speed of about 50 knots. Capable of supporting helicopter landings and launches with masses of 5 metric tons. Range is 4,000 nautical miles and the ship can operate at sea in up to state 6 and can operate in open seas. The ship is specifically designed to present a reduced radar cross-section. The ship is equipped with the most modern sensor and radar equipment.
There is a multi-tiered defensive system, as on all other Trimarans, that involves both EW/CM(electronic warfare/couintermeasures), flares, decoys, Phalanx-type CIWS, Sea Sparrows or RIM-67s, and the Barak-1 Ship Point Defense Missile System.

Also Equipped with 1-5 in cannon placed on the foredeck. Other armaments include 1 Dutch "goal keeper" or Phalanx CIWS, 16 Sea Sparrows or RIM-67s in pods, 8 Harpoon sea-to-sea missiles (2 quad launchers), and 64 Barak missiles (launch from 1 32-missile miniVLS arrays as a part of the Barak-1 Ship Point Defense Missile System). And other Command, control and defense systems.

There is a choice of either 4 surface-to-surface VLS-launched cruise missiles(included!) in 8 VLS launch positions OR, a helicopter pad with equipment and facilities for 1 helicopter.
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"Nirit" Fast Attack Missile Boat
Displacement for a 62m (~186ft) model is 490 metric tons. The vessels have an official top speed of 55 knots. Range is 3,000 nautical miles and the ship can operate at sea in up to state 6 and can operate in open seas. The ship is specifically designed to present a reduced radar cross-section. The ship is equipped with the most modern sensor and radar equipment.
There is a multi-tiered defensive system, as on all other Trimarans, that involves both EW/CM(electronic warfare/couintermeasures), flares, decoys, Phalanx-type CIWS, Sea Sparrows or RIM-67s, and the Barak-1 Ship Point Defense Missile System.
Further equipped with a 76mm (3in) gun placed on the fore deck. A Vulcan Planks anti-missile and anti-aircraft gun OR Phalanx CIWS, 8 Sea Sparrows or RIM-67s in pods. 8 Harpoon sea-to-sea missiles (2 quad launchers). 32 Barak missiles (launch from 1 32-missile miniVLS arrays as a part of the Barak-1 Ship Point Defense Missile System). And other Command, control and defense systems.
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Super Dvora Mk II Patrol Boat
25m long, with a displacement of only 60 tonnes. It is capable of operating under almost all weather conditions. It is armed with a remotely-controlled and stabilized (by a Typhoon G) 20mm Gun. It is possible to fit another smaller gun or two (7.62 NATO or .50 cal) based on a miniTyphoon or operated conventionally, but at least one operator is required and some fuel capacity is degraded. It has up to a 10 man crew, though it can be run with 5 at more than decent capacity. The top speed is over 50 knots. Has a search light and standard navigation radar.
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The Shaldag Mk II Patrol Boat
24m long, and has weapons capacity similar to the Super Dvora, but can operate at almost 60knots for fast interdictions. The ship has some upgraded control systems but is generally considered to be the replacement for old Super Dvoras. The Shaldag is still in planning and will be slightly more expensive, but will be out in the future. Also has a system that can be used for long range day-and-night detection and identification of vessels.


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For descriptions of other vessels, ask and the data will be gathered for your benefit.


R.C. Pressman
Sec. of State,

J. Gatz
Weapons Trade Representative


P.S.-- We are also to roll out our Maccabi Fighting Vehicle {MFV) with capabilities in the range of the better-known Bradley but adapted for our preferences. Also on the upcoming list are a VTOL/Heli aircraft carrier, and perhaps a normal aircraft carrier. The Helicopter specs will be separated and prices will be added to missile offerings.


OOC: If you think that all of the offers are ridiculous then you might want to check up on your military tech. Trimarans are already on the planning boards in the US and Britain and tests have been run on both a warship-type demonstrator and a ferry-style troop and materiel transporter. Both have had good results, just do a google search and look at some of the declassified/open reports on the two. All of the points that I stated come directly from these sources and all of the armaments are reasonable for tbe type, size, and cost of the ship and some are already planned for the Brit version. I've actually had to raise the price significantly to meet real-world expected/projected/target costs for this type of ship. All of the weaponry that we have announced (M117 APCs, Merkava MBTs, current Airplanes, personal weaponry, ABM systems, and the like) are not only theoretically possible but deployed in combat or as active parts of national armies in the 1st World countries.


We will take:

10 FD Destroyer (anti-submarine or anti-air, fully outfitted, Helicopter-enabled)
10 GM Destroyer (guided-missile, 96-missile array, Helicopter-enabled)
15 Fast Attack Missile Boat
100 Shaldag Mk II Patrol Boat
20 1.2 Bn per GM Cruiser (127-missile array, Helicopter-Enabled)]

Wire us the bill and we will collect. thank you

These are excellent vessels and should be purchased by anyone with a Gram of sense. High Tech, High Spec!

I was wondering if you could recommend some packages that i can use

please include price, what ships, and what they do

make packages that would benefit my country

Mafiosi, your order comes down to this:

4x GM Cruiser (64-missile array)@$860M/unit= $3.44Bn
2x Heavy Bombardment Cruiser@$1.004Bn/unit= $2.008Bn
2x FD Destroyer (anti-submarine 24 VLS array)@$260M/unit=$520M
2x FD Destroyer (anti-air, 24 VLS array)@$260M/unit=$520M
5x GM Destroyer (guided-missile, 24-missile array)@$260M/unit= $1.3Bn
5x GM Frigate (Guided-missile, 16-missile array)@$195M/unit=$975M

2x Corvette (Guided-missile, 8-missile array)@$185M/unit= $370M
5x Fast Attack Missile Boat (called FAMB or Nirit)@$130M/unit=$650M
15x Shaldag Mk II Patrol Boat@ $4.5M/unit= $67.5M
15x Super Dvora Mk II Patrol Boat@$4M/unit= $60M

60x M2 .50 cal/MiniTyphoon Weapons stations for Patrol Boats@$49,500= $2.97M

20X Seahawks w/LAMPS syste@$12M/unit= $240M

TOTAL COST (with Equipage charges) is $10.37Bn


2x 1Bn per Heavy Bombardment Cruiser WITH MLRS (16-missile array, 4-155mm shore bombardment guns in 2-double batteries, 3-6in guns, 4- 5in guns, added experimental combham-style armor, Helicopter-enabled)
PLEASE NOTE: The MLRS system takes the space and resources associted with one of the 155mm double battery stations and 2 of the 5in gun stations.

Should I take it that you want the additional weapons stations when you say "fully" on the patrol boats? The FAMBs are loaded with weapons as requested and the cost is factored in.


YES, the additional too.

I have the money. Good to do business with you.

I would like....


4x GM Cruiser (64-missile array)@$860M/unit= $3.44Bn
2x Heavy Bombardment Cruiser@$1.004Bn/unit= $2.008Bn
2x FD Destroyer (anti-submarine 24 VLS array)@$260M/unit=$520M
2x FD Destroyer (anti-air, 24 VLS array)@$260M/unit=$520M
5x GM Destroyer (guided-missile, 24-missile array)@$260M/unit= $1.3Bn
5x GM Frigate (Guided-missile, 16-missile array)@$195M/unit=$975M

2x Corvette (Guided-missile, 8-missile array)@$185M/unit= $370M
5x Fast Attack Missile Boat (called FAMB or Nirit)@$130M/unit=$650M
15x Shaldag Mk II Patrol Boat@ $4.5M/unit= $67.5M
15x Super Dvora Mk II Patrol Boat@$4M/unit= $60M

60x M2 .50 cal/MiniTyphoon Weapons stations for Patrol Boats@$49,500= $2.97M

20X Seahawks w/LAMPS syste@$12M/unit= $240M

TOTAL COST (with Equipage charges) is $10.37Bn

1 of everything please

$1Bn per Heavy Bombardment Cruiser (16-missile array, 4-155mm shore bombardment guns in 2-double batteries, 3-6in guns, 4- 5in guns, added experimental combham-style armor, Helicopter-enabled)

We would like to ask if it would be possible to purchase two such vessels without fitted 155mm turrets, and whether the hull could handle the stresses of firing 4 16in 50 cal guns in similar location. We are well aware you named this vessel as a possible base for our proposed bombardment platform.
In addition, we would be glad to construct a workshop on our shores where our researchers can work with your own on this and other naval projects.
Regrettably, construction of the new Railship Ashitaka has already begun, but GMC is still interested in investigating the trimaran design for future Railships.
A fleet detachment will be sent to escort our vessels, if this is acceptable for you.

Rachel Knight, External Affairs, GMC Military Arms.

<OOC: Sorry, I always forget to check my telegrams>

We would be happy to work on a co-development project. I have plans for future editions of the hull that might better suit the platform, I will telegram you the details about the future. We will give you the bare-minimum system (basic propulsion, control, and command systems) so that you will have the greatest freedom in the process. A number of our engineers will accompany the ship to provide technical assistance and to act as advisors for redesigns of the vessel. In light of the discussion, we will give you the two hulls for a total of $400M, and we will cover the other costs that arise. We can provide any of our armaments upon request for testing and such matters. While our fission reactor designs are not well-developed, we believe that your expertise in the field would make of minimal concern.

We will telegram you as requested and look forward to further discussion of the matter.

The nation of Genotton would like to buy 50 Corvettes, 30 destroyers, and 40 GM Frigate.

could i have 5 vessels? i will offer u 300 mill. plzz accept!

I will take ne Heavy Bombardment Cruiser and two $220m FD Cruisers with anti-air.

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--DP--

We'll just purchase it w/o options. We will add them ourself later on. Thank you for the smooth transaction.

Glad to be of assistance. The ships will be sent when the first portion of any payment is received. As in previous deals, the transporter crew will assist in the training of your sailors for no cost.

If you want a more specific detailing of the armaments (we have the full description of missile, small guns, and antipersonnel ammunition rounds, we will send it to you if/when you telegram asking for that information).

Glad to have done business with you.

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OTHER CUSTOMEERS: The orders are being processed and will be completed soon (by tonight, RL time), I thank you for your patience.

NOTE: "1 of every kind" and "5 ships" is not specific enough. Please designate classes, types, missile capacities, and duties as layed out in the establishing post. Thank you.

We've been on a military spending spree and we don't have much more to spare... we are still developing our navy, and hope that you could supply us with some Super Dvora Mk II Patrol Boats.

:arrow: 20 Super Dvora Mk II Patrol Boats at $4M = $80M

We'll wire the money as soon as you give us the thumbs up.

The Premier of Zeronia thanks you in advance.

Nice Vessles. Can the heli-enabled be converted to vtol-enabled in shop, or will it have to be custom?

From
Nell E. Kat, SECDEF, Raving Liberals

We at the Raving Liberals and the kinda associated bunch o' guys that build stuff for the government also build custom ships at request. The basic hydrofoil Fast Attack Craft will cost about 490mill.

Contact Raving Liberals over the wire.

Clan Smoke Jaguar is currently in the process of expanding its navy, and has set aside several $ billion to do so. In order to bolster our own production, we would like to order the following:

2xGM Cruiser (127-missile array) @ $2.4 billion
5xASW Frigate (16 VLS array) @ $1.19 billion
10xGM Corvette @ $1.85 billion
8xFAMB @ $1.04 billion
20xSH-60 LAMPS III @ $240 million
Total=$6.72 billion

We would like the first 4 corvettes armed with the SSM VLS, and the remaining 6 to have the helicopter facilities.

We are paying half $3.36 billion now, with the rest upon delivery.Back



"2xGM Cruiser (127-missile array) @ $2.4 billion
5xASW Frigate (16 VLS array) @ $1.19 billion
10xGM Corvette @ $1.85 billion
8xFAMB @ $1.04 billion
20xSH-60 LAMPS III @ $240 million
Total=$6.72 billion"
Total, with equipage charges, runs more towards $6.76Bn

The prices are confirmed, the ships that you requested and in the numbers stated are already available, the fleet is underway. Any training that is needed will be provided by the skeleton crews provided, after 2 weeks NS time (tomorrow, RL time), the crews should be trained in the specific quirks of our ships, any pre-training should be handled by your forces, unless you want our instructors to provide more complete training, which will require a few months and will occur at our bases.


We have received the ships and the crews have been fully trained. The remainder of our bill ($3.4 billion) is being transferred as I speak.
We've had time to put our new ships through extensive trials, we are currently quite impressed with their performance, especially the smaller vessels, which, quite frankly, outperform similar craft in almost all categories, and we look forward to doing more business with you in the future.

Mafiosi, your order comes down to this:

4x GM Cruiser (64-missile array)@$860M/unit= $3.44Bn
2x Heavy Bombardment Cruiser@$1.004Bn/unit= $2.008Bn
2x FD Destroyer (anti-submarine 24 VLS array)@$260M/unit=$520M
2x FD Destroyer (anti-air, 24 VLS array)@$260M/unit=$520M
5x GM Destroyer (guided-missile, 24-missile array)@$260M/unit= $1.3Bn
5x GM Frigate (Guided-missile, 16-missile array)@$195M/unit=$975M

2x Corvette (Guided-missile, 8-missile array)@$185M/unit= $370M
5x Fast Attack Missile Boat (called FAMB or Nirit)@$130M/unit=$650M
15x Shaldag Mk II Patrol Boat@ $4.5M/unit= $67.5M
15x Super Dvora Mk II Patrol Boat@$4M/unit= $60M

60x M2 .50 cal/MiniTyphoon Weapons stations for Patrol Boats@$49,500= $2.97M

20X Seahawks w/LAMPS syste@$12M/unit= $240M

TOTAL COST (with Equipage charges) is $10.37Bn


2x 1Bn per Heavy Bombardment Cruiser WITH MLRS (16-missile array, 4-155mm shore bombardment guns in 2-double batteries, 3-6in guns, 4- 5in guns, added experimental combham-style armor, Helicopter-enabled)
PLEASE NOTE: The MLRS system takes the space and resources associted with one of the 155mm double battery stations and 2 of the 5in gun stations.

Should I take it that you want the additional weapons stations when you say "fully" on the patrol boats? The FAMBs are loaded with weapons as requested and the cost is factored in.


YES, the additional too.

I have the money. Good to do business with you.

Glad to see that you are pleased. The costs for the full equipage have already been factored in, so there is no extra charge there. If you ever need any customizations or want some to-specs ships just telegram me and I'll see what can be done for a good customer.

Clan Smoke Jaguar is currently in the process of expanding its navy, and has set aside several $ billion to do so. In order to bolster our own production, we would like to order the following:

2xGM Cruiser (127-missile array) @ $2.4 billion
5xASW Frigate (16 VLS array) @ $1.19 billion
10xGM Corvette @ $1.85 billion
8xFAMB @ $1.04 billion
20xSH-60 LAMPS III @ $240 million
Total=$6.72 billion

We would like the first 4 corvettes armed with the SSM VLS, and the remaining 6 to have the helicopter facilities.

We are paying half $3.36 billion now, with the rest upon delivery.Back



"2xGM Cruiser (127-missile array) @ $2.4 billion
5xASW Frigate (16 VLS array) @ $1.19 billion
10xGM Corvette @ $1.85 billion
8xFAMB @ $1.04 billion
20xSH-60 LAMPS III @ $240 million
Total=$6.72 billion"
Total, with equipage charges, runs more towards $6.76Bn

The prices are confirmed, the ships that you requested and in the numbers stated are already available, the fleet is underway. Any training that is needed will be provided by the skeleton crews provided, after 2 weeks NS time (tomorrow, RL time), the crews should be trained in the specific quirks of our ships, any pre-training should be handled by your forces, unless you want our instructors to provide more complete training, which will require a few months and will occur at our bases.


We have received the ships and the crews have been fully trained. The remainder of our bill ($3.4 billion) is being transferred as I speak.
We've had time to put our new ships through extensive trials, we are currently quite impressed with their performance, especially the smaller vessels, which, quite frankly, outperform similar craft in almost all categories, and we look forward to doing more business with you in the future.

We are always pleased to hear that our customers are satisfied with our goods. If you have any requests about other vessels with personal preferences do not hesitate to wire us. We hope that the ships serve you well in battle.

I would also like two $185 million Corvettes. Thank you.

Hey, I would like to buy a Heavy Bombardment Ship and a 127 Missile Array Cruiser.

Grrl, a navel is what is left from your umbilical cord, naval refers to sea-based objects, naval vessels are ships.


EVERYONE WHO HAS PLACED AND ORDER:

Sorry for the delay, I've compiled your orders and am filling them off-line. They should be done by the end of today.

Thank you for your patience.

i will take 10 super dvora boats and 10 of the 16 missile array frigates. please reply with the specific price so i am begin to wire the money. gracias.

All prices and sums will be up soon.

We'd like to requisition a number of your craft. We are currently building our own navy up, and the constuction has been moving slowly. Some forces in the interim would be highly useful.

Order:
1 Heavy Cruiser
2 FD destroyers (anti-sub)
2 GM Destoryers
2 GM Corvettes
3 Frigate (stripped down)
5 Shaldag Patrol Boats
10 Dvora Patrol Boats

If possible, we'd like to remove the helicopter capability from all ships in favor of empty space. Our countries weapon systems and armor are much too heavy to be used in aircraft, thus we have not developed any, nor are we familiar with aircraft. Also, if we could have modular equipment when possible. Many weapons systems and other technology will be gutted and refitted with our own systems once we get these ships. We would like the frigates stripped down as much as possible, with as few decks in the hulls as possible. We will be refitting these to transport our large Mobile Armor.

while im passing by...




*bump* for western asia

it was on page 13

NOTE: Updated specs, prices, + models 4-27-03
---THE NEW, HIGH-CAPACITY VLS SYSTEMS ARE NOW AVAILABLE---

We have decided to offer some new, revolutionary technology at a very decent price. We present the Trimaran Surface Naval Vessel (C) or Trimaran Warship(C). Although it has been privately provided and offered previously, this is our first wide-spread public announcement. This is proprietary technology and cannot be reproduced without license.

We are very proud of the previous performances of our ships in the Delugian and Aranian conflicts. They have had spectacular battle demonstrations well exceeding the minimum expected performance and very near surpassing the best that we had expected.

The innovative and Patented Trimaran (3-hulled) System(R) endow the vessels with certain benefits including:
--Reduced hull resistance (up to 20% reductions), making ship much more fuel efficient and thus has a longer range,
--Greater stability, allowing the use of heavier and taller equipment that might endanger a monohull's balance, enhanced ability to accommodate future equipment renovations and upgrades, stability and maneuverability over rough seas, and a stable landing platform under many conditions,
--Great maneuverability due to three engines and less resistance, also allows a greater power to weight ratio,
--Unusually large deck area (increase of about 40%) for small vessels, very useful for helicopter landings,
--Survivability, the outer hulls allow the ship to survive what might be an otherwise deadly torpedo or missile strike. The armored but mostly auxiliary facilities in these hulls serve as protection for the vital internal systems,
--Scalability, the same trimaran concept is applicable from small destroyers and patrol vessels all the way up to Heavy Cruisers and Aircraft Carriers (NOTE: Due to studies of modern naval warfare, there are no plans for the production of battleships as more effective and cost-efficient smaller vessels perform many battleship tasks better and with greater ease and mobility),
--All of the vessels have electric motors, which means that the power source need not be immediately adjacent to the propulsion system. The vessels are also equipped with dual-redundant fiber optic cable control systems. These factors provide greater survivability in conflicts and easier maintenance of the vessels.

STANDARD EQUIPMENT AND CAPABILITIES
In addition, the ships have been designed to have a low radar cross-section in recognition of a movement towards 'stealth' ships. All of the appropriate ships have AEGIS missile systems and surface-to-surface missiles. All units are equipped with unit-identification beacons for the Digital Theatre Combat Control/Coordination System (DT3CS). Many have a pod of Sea Sparrow missiles to defend against Anti-Ship cruise missiles and all are equipped with either Sea Sparrows or the RIM-66/67 standard missile pods. The main guns for the Cruiser are 1, 6in Cannon and 2, 5in cannons.

Note: Many 5 in guns are upgraded to the Mk45 Mod4 5" system. This upgraded system has greater automation that can identify different rounds and make adjustments to accomodate each type. The barrel is lengthened from 54 caliber to 62 caliber. The barrel is designed to stand much higher firing energies and can fire normal rounds slightly farther than the old styleguns. The Cruisers, Heavy Cruiser, and Destroyer main guns have been updated and others will follow later. The gun allows greater flexability in anti-ship and anti-air as well as bombardment roles.

Upcoming improvements include the following: The formation of a ground-support destroyer with 155mm guns, the spread of Cobham-style armor to ships below the Heavy Cruiser, more models.
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The Trimaran Warships(tm) are equipped with small watercraft and a mix of H-60 battle transport helicopter models including Blackhawks, Pavehawks, Seahawks, and Pavehawks as is prudent and specified. The default equipment is the basic Blackhawk. Upgrades and specified modifications are extra but will be made as possible. The costs of the helicopters are the current market price (about $9-$14M) and are NOT included in the stated price.

PRICING
The asked-for prices are:
$240M per GM Cruiser (16-missile array, Helicopter-enabled)
$860M per GM Cruiser (64-missile array, Helicopter-enabled)
$1.2 Bn per GM Cruiser (127-missile array, Helicopter-Enabled)]

$1.1Bn per Heavy Bombardment Cruiser (16-missile array, 4-155mm shore bombardment guns in 2-double batteries, 3-6in guns, 4- 5in guns, added experimental combham-style armor, Helicopter-enabled)
NOTE: An MLRS system can be installed in the place of 2 of the 5in guns and 1 of the 155mm double batteries. There is some added cost involved, probably $4 million, comes armed with rockets.

$220M per FD Destroyer (anti-submarine or anti-air, 16-missile VLS array, Helicopter-enabled)
$260M per FD Destroyer (anti-submarine or anti-air, 24-missile VLS array)

$260M per GM Destroyer (guided-missile, 24-missile array, Helicopter-enabled)
$940M per GM Destroyer (guided-missile, 96-missile array, Helicopter-enabled)

$195M per GM Frigate (Guided-missile, 16-missile array, Helicopter-enabled)
$900M per GM Frigate (Guided-missile, 80-missile array, Helicopter-enabled)

$178M per ASW Frigate (anti-submarine, 8-missile VLS array)
VLS meant for ASW (Anti-Submarine) torpedos (4 come with) as well as rail-launched ASROCs, Helicopter-enabled). NOTE: for $2M/unit can be upgraded with ship-based mine-sweeping gear)
$238M per ASW Frigate (anti-submarine, 16 VLS array) other specs same as above.

$150M per Corvette (Helicopter-enabled), Baseline 2 equipment
$185M per Corvette (Guided-missile, 8-missile array) Baseline 2 equipment
--Possible "mini" depending on other factors, (pers ref: s'ar 5)

$130M per Fast Attack Missile Boat (called FAMB, AKA "Nirit"), Specs below

$4.5M per Shaldag Mk II Patrol Boat, specs below
$4M per Super Dvora Mk II Patrol Boat, specs below

for these patrol boats as well as the Nirit, the following options are available
$14,500 per "Ma Duce" Browning M2 0.50cal machine gun (for MiniTyphoon)
$35,000 per miniTyphoon Remote Stabilized Weapons System
$17,000 per "Ma Duce" Browning M2 0.50cal machine gun (for manually control on mounted base)

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FUTURE:
-- Carrier (possibly both VTOL/heli and "conventional")
-- Fast Transport, undisclosed design, many classes of diverse roles, due out soon...specs being written up
-- Introduction of the Dolphin
-- Introduction of the AUSV/Manta + Accomodations
-- Small, fast patrol vehicle (pers ref:SupDevra)
The troop/materiel transporter will come out soon, the previous price has been recalled for it will not cover much of costs. The capacity will be very large.
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These are the prices at regular production (i.e. at least 5 ships being ordered). Costs of less than 5 are 10% to 15% more than stated since small runs are hard to start and without much pay-off. Prices are subject to change with notification.

Additional Tomahawk ASUW (Strike Anti-Surface) cost about $1.5M with purchase or $2M without. Also available for VLS use are the TBMD (Theater Ballistic Missile Defense), VL-ASROC (anti-submarine), RIM-67 and Sea Sparrow missile canisters (Ship Self Defense and multi-purpose S2S weapon), Additional weapons now include the LASM (Land Attack Standard Missile), a modified RIM-67 with a 200mi inland range. The "Affordable Weapon" is set to become available soon, a Cruise-like missile with a range comparable to the Tomahawk at a durastically lower price.

If special configurations of a class are desired, the order size must be for a minimum of 10 ships at full price with other charges since the new configuration requires a new production system, but further vessels will be at the reduced price. This is only for special cases however and many systems can be exchanged without significant problems. (note: some weapons systems will cost extra, others less, and this reality will be demonstrated in the final prices).

SPECIAL AVAILABLE CONFIGURATIONS
There are several special types of Trimaran Warships(tm) in production right now, including:
-- Cruisers (NOTE: with extra funds and approval, comes with MTHEL (Mobile Tactical High-Energy Laser) ABM system)
-- Fleet-defense Destroyers are either a(n) a) AA-equipped vessels with additional SA and/or ABM configurations*, OR b) Anti-AntiShip Cruise Missile (with extra SeaSparrow and/or RIM-67 pods) configuration , OR c)Standard (counter-submarine) configuration

* The AA/ABM version has, in addition to the standard Destroyer defenses, additional AA capabilities in the form of SAM and AA gun batteries and Arrow and MTHEL (Mobile Tactical High-Energy Laser) ABM batteries with accompanying systems. 2 SAM (18 missiles) or 2 MTHEL (2 targeting stands with power source) or 1 Arrow (6 missiles) battery is in each sub-category. A mix is possible. Most vessels come with 2-4 AA gun batteries. The ships have extra Sea Sparrow and Rim-67 missiles against a variety of targets.
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VESSEL DESCRIPTIONS FOLLOW:
Corvette
Displacement for a 95m (~285ft) model is 950 metric tons. The vessels have an official top speed of about 50 knots. Capable of supporting helicopter landings and launches with masses of 5 metric tons. Range is 4,000 nautical miles and the ship can operate at sea in up to state 6 and can operate in open seas. The ship is specifically designed to present a reduced radar cross-section. The ship is equipped with the most modern sensor and radar equipment.
There is a multi-tiered defensive system, as on all other Trimarans, that involves both EW/CM(electronic warfare/couintermeasures), flares, decoys, Phalanx-type CIWS, Sea Sparrows or RIM-67s, and the Barak-1 Ship Point Defense Missile System.

Also Equipped with 1-5 in cannon placed on the foredeck. Other armaments include 1 Dutch "goal keeper" or Phalanx CIWS, 16 Sea Sparrows or RIM-67s in pods, 8 Harpoon sea-to-sea missiles (2 quad launchers), and 64 Barak missiles (launch from 1 32-missile miniVLS arrays as a part of the Barak-1 Ship Point Defense Missile System). And other Command, control and defense systems.

There is a choice of either 4 surface-to-surface VLS-launched cruise missiles(included!) in 8 VLS launch positions OR, a helicopter pad with equipment and facilities for 1 helicopter.
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"Nirit" Fast Attack Missile Boat
Displacement for a 62m (~186ft) model is 490 metric tons. The vessels have an official top speed of 55 knots. Range is 3,000 nautical miles and the ship can operate at sea in up to state 6 and can operate in open seas. The ship is specifically designed to present a reduced radar cross-section. The ship is equipped with the most modern sensor and radar equipment.
There is a multi-tiered defensive system, as on all other Trimarans, that involves both EW/CM(electronic warfare/couintermeasures), flares, decoys, Phalanx-type CIWS, Sea Sparrows or RIM-67s, and the Barak-1 Ship Point Defense Missile System.
Further equipped with a 76mm (3in) gun placed on the fore deck. A Vulcan Planks anti-missile and anti-aircraft gun OR Phalanx CIWS, 8 Sea Sparrows OR RIM-67s in pods. 8 Harpoon sea-to-sea missiles (2 quad launchers). 32 Barak missiles (launch from 1 32-missile miniVLS arrays as a part of the Barak-1 Ship Point Defense Missile System). And other Command, control and defense systems.
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Super Dvora Mk II Patrol Boat
25m long, with a displacement of only 60 tonnes. It is capable of operating under almost all weather conditions. It is armed with a remotely-controlled and stabilized (by a Typhoon G) 20mm Gun. It is possible to fit another smaller gun or two (7.62 NATO or .50 cal) based on a miniTyphoon or operated conventionally, but at least one operator is required and some fuel capacity is degraded. It has up to a 10 man crew, though it can be run with 5 at more than decent capacity. The top speed is over 50 knots. Has a search light and standard navigation radar.
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The Shaldag Mk II Patrol Boat
24m long, and has weapons capacity similar to the Super Dvora, but can operate at almost 60knots for fast interdictions. The ship has some upgraded control systems but is generally considered to be the replacement for old Super Dvoras. The Shaldag is still in planning and will be slightly more expensive, but will be out in the future. Also has a system that can be used for long range day-and-night detection and identification of vessels.


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For descriptions of other vessels, ask and the data will be gathered for your benefit.


R.C. Pressman
Sec. of State,

J. Gatz
Weapons Trade Representative


P.S.-- We are also to roll out our Maccabi Fighting Vehicle {MFV) with capabilities in the range of the better-known Bradley but adapted for our preferences. Also on the upcoming list are a VTOL/Heli aircraft carrier, and perhaps a normal aircraft carrier. The Helicopter specs will be separated and prices will be added to missile offerings.


OOC: If you think that all of the offers are ridiculous then you might want to check up on your military tech. Trimarans are already on the planning boards in the US and Britain and tests have been run on both a warship-type demonstrator and a ferry-style troop and materiel transporter. Both have had good results, just do a google search and look at some of the declassified/open reports on the two. All of the points that I stated come directly from these sources and all of the armaments are reasonable for tbe type, size, and cost of the ship and some are already planned for the Brit version. I've actually had to raise the price significantly to meet real-world expected/projected/target costs for this type of ship. All of the weaponry that we have announced (M117 APCs, Merkava MBTs, current Airplanes, personal weaponry, ABM systems, and the like) are not only theoretically possible but deployed in combat or as active parts of national armies in the 1st World countries.LordSquallfreeRepublic would wanna buy a GM Cruiser (127-missile array, Helicopter-Enabled)]
and a NIRIT.
The transaction will be effectued by telegram : our ministry of defence pays you immediately after the purchase by credit card : don't take all your time : we need it quickly.



Victor I
President of
LordSquallFreeRepublic
And its lovely GHLBT people
Viewed and approved by the minisry
of LordsquallFreeRepublic armored defense

20 Super Dvora Mk II Patrol Boats x $4M = $80M
All stocked with "Ma Duce" Browning M2 0.50cal machine guns: 20 x $17 000 = $340 000

2 GM Frigates (Guided-missile, 80-missile array, Helicopter-enabled) x $900M = $1.8 Bn

5 FD Destroyers (anti-submarine or anti-air, 16-missile VLS array, Helicopter-enabled) x $220M = $1.1 Bn

1 GM Cruiser (127-missile array, Helicopter-Enabled) x $1.2 Bn = $1.2 Bn

Total
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$4 180 340 000

I will wire the money as soon as you take up our offer.

---Minister of Foreign Military Trade, Zeronia




And in case you think we're not good for it...

Population: 289 000 000
Economy: imploded
GDP per capita: $700
GDP = pop x GDP/capita: $202 300 000 000 (202.3 billion)
Defence Budget: 10% of GDP
Defence Budget: 202 300 000 000 x 0.1 = $20 230 000 000 (20.23 billion)

(taken from Zeronian Archives, Ministry of Finance, Ministry of Defence)

The kingdom of Ell would like to purchase:

20 GM Cruisers @ $240M per GM Cruiser
total cost: $4.8 billion

Ok, there are going a lot og these multiple-customer posts, so here's the first. Sorry for the extreme delay.


Agreed; we would also like to take your offer of the additional aircraft. for the extra 36 million.

Indeed, so the total cost will be $2.37Bn as quoted, it has been a pleasure to do business with you. We hope that you are well-served by these vessels.

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im looking at a puchasing a small fleet to be avalible within 2 years comprising of:

3 $150M per Corvette (Helicopter-enabled), Baseline 2 equipment
2 $860M per GM Cruiser (64-missile array, Helicopter-enabled)
1 $1.2 Bn per GM Cruiser (127-missile array, Helicopter-Enabled)

2 $178M per ASW Frigate (anti-submarine, 8-missile VLS array)
1 $1Bn per Heavy Bombardment Cruiser (16-missile array, 4-155mm shore bombardment guns in 2-double batteries, 3-6in guns, 4- 5in guns, added experimental combham-style armor, Helicopter-enabled)

and if there is any chance of a coventional aircraft carrier or nuclear submerines some prices would be great
So long as you can afford the ships they will be available. Since our production lines have been running at full capacity for a while now, it shouldn’t take more than a few months to fill that order (though mostly since they’re all back-ordered).

1X Heavy Bombardment Cruiser (16-missile array)@ $1Bn/unit= $1bn
1X per GM Cruiser (127-missile array, Helicopter-Enabled)@ $1.2 Bn/unit= $1.2bn
2X GM Cruiser (64-missile array, Helicopter-enabled)@ $860M/unit= $1.72bn
2X ASW Frigate (anti-submarine, 8-missile VLS array)@ $178M/unit= $356M
3X Corvette (Helicopter-enabled), Baseline 2 equipment@$150M/unit= $450M
9X SH-60 LAMPS Seahawk@ $12M/unit= $108M

Total, with charges, is $4.97Bn
Glad to do business with you.

As for the carriers, we’re just about to introduce those. The projected price is $1.7Bn for a VTOL/heli capacity of about 40 aircraft on an amphibious-assault type of vessel or $1.3Bn for a stealthy "pocket aircraft carrier" designed specifically for operation in close-support, near-shore operations with the F-35 JSF (STOVL and/or CV variant depending on the final specs), which would probably carry 20-30 aircraft and would be well-equipped to defend itself in its own right. Of course, a normal-sized carrier is also slated at $2.5Bn, with a compliment of about 90 craft and a TOTAL crew of only about 3,600 (much smaller than Nimitz thanks to automated systems…and the crew get better quarters, so everyone’s happy). These should all be coming with UAV launch and command capabilities (UAVs sold separately), allowing an integrated fighting force with great platform flexability.

Our Dolphin-class attack submarines are going for . With a 16 torpedo/SSM stowage capacity, 10 Bow tubes (4- 650mm and 6- 533mm). Has a crew of 30 and a length of only about 57m, a 30 day endurance, a diving depth of 350m. They are only $340M each and are soon to be listed (THEY ARE ALLOWED TO BE SOLD).

The Commonwealth Of Beth Gellert, having previously purchased one of your frigates, now wishes, upon reaching a population of fifty-million, and experiencing a minor economic recovery, as well as increasing defence spending, to purchase a further vessel from your catalogue.
We desire one fleet-defence anti-air destroyer of the 16-missile VLS array sort.

With it we would again like a Seahawk helicopter.

(Is this destroyer capable of operating more than one helicopter? If so we may consider purchasing a second (helicopter (Seahawk)), but we are undecided on this matter, should it prove relevent)

Many thanks.

i need 24 Shaldag Mk II Patrol Boats each armed with 2 "Ma Duce" Browning M2 0.50cal machine gun (manual). i calculated it would be 148 million for the boats and 816 thousand for the guns... see if i'm right, if not, just tell me

The region of Nuclear Wastelands would like to purchase 10 of your Corvettes, heli enabled, coming to a bill of $1.5 bil i do believe? I have the backing of 9 other nations for this purchase and we have not spent any money in the past 5 days so we are good for it.

Ya, plz make me two of these Gm Frigates, with helis enabled... it should cost around...um... 380 mill, rite?? telegram me about this, and the order of 24 Shaldag MKII each with two .5 cal manual machine guns...

$1.2 Bn per GM Cruiser (127-missile array, Helicopter-Enabled) X 2 = $2, 400, 000, 000
$240M per GM Cruiser (16-missile array, Helicopter-enabled) X 4 = $960, 000, 000
$860M per GM Cruiser (64-missile array, Helicopter-enabled) X 2 = $1, 720, 000, 000

$220M per FD Destroyer (anti-submarine or anti-air, 16-missile VLS array, Helicopter-enabled) X 8 = $1, 760, 000, 000
$260M per FD Destroyer (anti-submarine or anti-air, 24-missile VLS array) X 2 = $520, 000, 000
$260M per GM Destroyer (guided-missile, 24-missile array, Helicopter-enabled) X 5 = $1, 300, 000, 000

$195M per GM Frigate (Guided-missile, 16-missile array, Helicopter-enabled) X 6 = $1, 170, 000, 000
$238M per ASW Frigate (anti-submarine, 16 VLS array) + $2M/unit upgraded with ship-based mine-sweeping gear X 4 = $960, 000, 000

Overall: $10 790 000 000

ASAP if possible.

Oh It's good to be a superpower 8)

Do you do custom orders?

OOC: Have i got my maths right? You might have to check those figures ^^;;

*bump*

*wonders when he can count on receiving the corvettes* :roll:

Don't worry this takes while, I am still negotating with Western Asia due to the type of buy I am trying. but at this point I may finish the type of ships I want on my own and may just buy one of Western Asias smaller warships or desiel subs if he has any, I need some subs that can be quieters than nuclear subs and disiel subs are the only ones I know that can pull that off.

A NOTE TO ALL: SORRY FOR THE DELAY, RL WORLD EVENTS CONSPIRED AGAINST A PROMPT REPLY…ALL ORDERS SHOULD BE FILLED SHORTLY
The ships have already been dispatched and should arrive by the time of the order confirmation.

As a time-saver and to make this process easier, I am posting the "correct" format that I use in responding to messages at the bottom of this post. If new orders and orderers use this format I will be able to just total the costs, add the charges and make suggestions in much less time, allowing you to get your ships and me to keep a clear deck.

Thank you, that is all.

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We will take:

10 FD Destroyer (anti-submarine or anti-air, fully outfitted, Helicopter-enabled)
10 GM Destroyer (guided-missile, 96-missile array, Helicopter-enabled)
15 Fast Attack Missile Boat
100 Shaldag Mk II Patrol Boat
20 1.2 Bn per GM Cruiser (127-missile array, Helicopter-Enabled)

Wire us the bill and we will collect. thank you

10 FD Destroyer (anti-submarine or anti-air, 16-missile VLS array)@ $220M/unit= $2.2bn
10 GM Destroyer (guided-missile, 96-missile array)@ $940M/unit= $9.4bn
15 Fast Attack Missile Boat@ $130M/unit= $1.95bn
100 Shaldag Mk II Patrol Boat@ $4.5M/unit= $450M
20 SH-60 LAMPS Seahawk@ $12M/unit= $240M

Total cost, with charges, is $14.4bn
Glad to do business with you and sorry for the huge delay.
A note: the normal load of helicopters was provided. The larger ships can each bear 2 helicopters as well as support them.

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I would like....

4x GM Cruiser (64-missile array)@$860M/unit= $3.44Bn
2x Heavy Bombardment Cruiser@$1.004Bn/unit= $2.008Bn
2x FD Destroyer (anti-submarine 24 VLS array)@$260M/unit=$520M
2x FD Destroyer (anti-air, 24 VLS array)@$260M/unit=$520M
5x GM Destroyer (guided-missile, 24-missile array)@$260M/unit= $1.3Bn
5x GM Frigate (Guided-missile, 16-missile array)@$195M/unit=$975M

2x Corvette (Guided-missile, 8-missile array)@$185M/unit= $370M
5x Fast Attack Missile Boat (called FAMB or Nirit)@$130M/unit=$650M
15x Shaldag Mk II Patrol Boat@ $4.5M/unit= $67.5M
15x Super Dvora Mk II Patrol Boat@$4M/unit= $60M

60x M2 .50 cal/MiniTyphoon Weapons stations for Patrol Boats@$49,500= $2.97M
20X Seahawks w/LAMPS syste@$12M/unit= $240M

TOTAL COST (with Equipage charges) is $10.37Bn
Thank you for putting the order in correct order format. A list will be placed at the end of this post providing this format for easy cutting+pasting.

The cost of $10.37bn is confirmed. The ships are en route and training will commence for your forces shortly. You can expect to have the complete fleet by the end of the 2nd Rl day from this posting.

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1 of everything please
That is several billion dollars, most of which will likely be useless for your purposes and impossible since there are so many possible variations. Please use the order form at the bottom of the sheet to place orders for what you want.

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The nation of Genotton would like to buy 50 Corvettes, 30 destroyers, and 40 GM Frigate.
Please specify the type of corvette (heli or GM), the model of destroyer (GM or FD and capacity) and the capacity of the GM frigate (16- or 80-missile VLS array). The order needs greater refinement.

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could i have 5 vessels? i will offer u 300 mill. plzz accept!


Please try to be more specific.

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I will take one Heavy Bombardment Cruiser and two $220m FD Cruisers with anti-air.

I would also like two $185 million Corvettes. Thank you

1X Heavy Bombardment Cruiser (16-missile array, 2 double batt.)@ $1.1bn/unit= $1.1bn
2X FD Destroyer (anti-air, 16-missile VLS array)@ $220M/unit= $440M
2X Corvette (Guided-missile, 8-missile array), Baseline 2 equipment@ $185M/unit= $370M
3X SH-60 LAMPS Seahawk@ $12M/unit= $36M

Total cost, with charges, is $1.96bn
Thanks for the business.

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We've been on a military spending spree and we don't have much more to spare... we are still developing our navy, and hope that you could supply us with some Super Dvora Mk II Patrol Boats.

20 Super Dvora Mk II Patrol Boats at $4M = $80M

We'll wire the money as soon as you give us the thumbs up.
20X Super Dvora Mk II Patrol Boat@ $4M/unit= $80M
Thank you for your business.

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Nice Vessles. Can the heli-enabled be converted to vtol-enabled in shop, or will it have to be custom?

From
Nell E. Kat, SECDEF, Raving Liberals
Specific classes can be modified to accept VTOL craft. True VTOL craft such as the V-22 Osprey are easily serviced and there is plenty of room, but only really for 1 at a time. The charges are absorbed by the halved amount of maintenance tools and by my good grace. The "Pocket Carriers" that should come out soon will be VTOL, STOVL, and VTOSL capable. Special modifications could be made on some ships. Telegram me and I will tell you any other information you seek.

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Hey, I would like to buy a Heavy Bombardment Ship and a 127 Missile Array Cruiser.

1X Heavy Bombardment Cruiser (16-missile array, 2 double batt.)@ $1.1bn/unit= $1.1bn
1X GM Cruiser (127-missile array)@ $1.2bn/unit=$1.2bn
2X SH-60 LAMPS Seahawk@ $12M/unit= $24M

Total cost, with charges, is $2.35bn
Glad to do business with you

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Note: A "normal" load for vessels is 1 heli/heli-enabled ship. A "full" load is 2 for every ship above corvette and 1 for heli-enabled corvettes.
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X Heavy Bombardment Cruiser (16-missile array, 2 double batt.)@ $1.1bn/unit=
X Heavy Bombardment Cruiser (16-missile array, 1 double batt.+MLRS)@ $1.104bn/unit=

X GM Cruiser (16-missile array)@ $240M/unit=
X GM Cruiser (64-missile array)@ $860M/unit=
X GM Cruiser (127-missile array)@ $1.2bn/unit=

X FD Destroyer (anti-submarine, 16-missile VLS array)@ $220M/unit=
X FD Destroyer (anti-air, 16-missile VLS array)@ $220M/unit=
X FD Destroyer (anti-submarine, 24-missile VLS array)@ $260M/unit=
X FD Destroyer (anti-air, 24-missile VLS array)@ $260M/unit=

X GM Destroyer (guided-missile, 24-missile VLS array)@ $260M/unit=
X GM Destroyer (guided-missile, 96-missile VLS array)@ $940M/unit=

X GM Frigate (Guided-missile, 16-missile VLS array)@ $195M/unit=
X GM Frigate (Guided-missile, 80-missile VLS array)@ $900M/unit=

X ASW Frigate (anti-submarine, 8-missile VLS array)@ $178M/unit=
X ASW Frigate (anti-submarine, 16-missile VLS array)@ $238M/unit=
X ASW Frigate Mine-sweeping upgrade@ $2M/unit=

X Corvette (Helicopter-enabled), Baseline 2 equipment@ $150M/unit=
X Corvette (Guided-missile, 8-missile array), Baseline 2 equipment@ $185M/unit=

X Saar 5 Missile Boat, [[…Upcoming…]]
X Fast Attack Missile Boat (Nirit)@ $130M/unit=

X Super Dvora Mk II Patrol Boat@ $4M/unit=
X Shaldag Mk II Patrol Boat@ $4.5M/unit=

X SH-60 LAMPS Seahawk@ $12M/unit=
X H-53 (CH-53 Sea Stallion/MH-53E Sea Dragon/MH-53J Pave Low III)@ $25M/unit=

for these patrol boats as well as the Nirit, the following options are available
X M2 .50 cal with manual stations for Patrol Boats@$17,000=
X M2 .50 cal/MiniTyphoon Weapons stations for Patrol Boats@$49,500=

Finally got around to submitting an order.

3 * $1.2 Bn per GM Cruiser (127-missile array, Helicopter-Enabled)
3 * $1.1Bn per Heavy Bombardment Cruiser (16-missile array, 4-155mm shore bombardment guns in 2-double batteries, 3-6in guns, 4- 5in guns, added experimental combham-style armor, Helicopter-enabled)
9 * $260M per FD Destroyer (anti-submarine or anti-air, 24-missile VLS array)
9 * $940M per GM Destroyer (guided-missile, 96-missile array, Helicopter-enabled)
6 * $900M per GM Frigate (Guided-missile, 80-missile array, Helicopter-enabled)
6 * $238M per ASW Frigate (anti-submarine, 16 VLS array)
12 * $185M per Corvette (Guided-missile, 8-missile array) Baseline 2 equipment

As many cruisers and destroyers upgraded to MTHEL as you are prepared to supply.

Total = 24.408 billion dollars + cost of MTHEL
(You may want to check the maths)

:evil: In collaboration with Smallishville in the Nuclear Wastelands Alliance, we are wondering where our corvettes are. If it all possible, we would like to order ten. Thank you

We would like those Corvettes to be half GM and half heli equiped...
We would also like to add to our order three mine-sweeping frigates and twenty Super Dvora MK II Patrol Boats.

5X GM Corvette @185M per unit = 925M
5X Corvette @150M per unit = 750M
3X Mine-Sweeping Frigate = 600M
20X Super Dvora MK II Patrol Boat = 80M

Total = 2.555B
Good Day

The Teritoran Naval and coast guard board announces that the the ships for the Teritoran Royal Navy and coast guard are nearing completion and they will not need their request from Western Asia however they are asks wether Western Asia makes subs, The Teritoran Navy is looking for extremely quiet subs that are quieter then Nuclear subs but can take on other subs including Missile subs and Nuclear attack subs.

*poke* what about me?

OOC: Sorry for the delay, Finals et al

Should be done tomorrow night, tuesday night at LATEST.

Do you make subs.

I wish to purchase:
3 GM Frigates (with 16 missile array)
1 ASW Frigate (with 16 VLS array)
12 Blackhawk Helicopters
1 normal-sized aircraft carrier
2.5 0.585 0.238
which comes to i think 3.323 billion plus choppers if im wrong tell me

Phew, lots of orders and I apologise if mine takes up too much of your time kind nation.

The Prime Minister of Nasarloth after seeing many nations go to war in the naval area we feel some what vunerable with our current naval force...which is 10 patrol boats mounted with m-60 machine guns.

So after recieving a big boost of military spending from the government (4.5% of my GNP I lowered it from the original setting of 7%) We would like to order the following if the price doesnt rise much we would request all helicopter enabled to come with the max amount of helicopters it can carry. If it becomes too much simply the standard package for each ship.

Thank you.
Minister for Trade: Nicolas Gronige.

Order as follows.
20 $260M per GM Destroyer (guided-missile, 24-missile array, Helicopter-enabled)

10 $178M per ASW Frigate (anti-submarine, 8-missile VLS array)
VLS meant for ASW (Anti-Submarine) torpedos (4 come with) as well as rail-launched ASROCs, Helicopter-enabled).

20 $220M per FD Destroyer (anti-submarine or anti-air, 16-missile VLS array, Helicopter-enabled)

We await confirmation of our Order.

Do you make subs.


Yes, the Dolphin-class. Look at my post just prior to Beth Gellert's, there are some basic specs for it under my response to Belmonstock's request, along with some base specs for my carriers.

What how silent are they, I need a sub that will be very silent and can hunt ships and other subs. My current sub fleet is right out of world war I and II, they are extremely silent but the deck guns make them easlier to detect. I am intrested thou.

They run on electric motors while submerged, using the engine to charge when on the surface. They use many of the latest designs and counter-sonar technologies to reduce the signature and are very powerful for their size, manning, and cost.

I am intrested, who much do they cost?

your mothers a naval vessel

ohhhhhhhhhh harsh words

your mothers a naval vessel

XD that's not very creative. :P

*pokes Western Asia again*

Where can I find all the specs on one post as opposed to going through the various posts?

Without wanting to rush the very capable but over-worked Western Asians, the Commonwealth of Beth Gellert is quite desperately requiring of that FD destroyer that was ordered (on the previous page, I think) as we are currently at war in support of a besiged ally, and finding our convoys worryingly thinly covered from air assault.

This isn't a complaint of course! More a plea, really.
Argh! We're all going to die!

(We're watching with great interest progress on the possible transport vessels..hopefully we'll finally make an order for more than one ship at a time when they come out.)

Heh beth gellert annoyed at me destroying your fleet?

That was before your 'you are dead and can't possibly have engaged my ships prior-to-launch with the previously mentioned protective screen of helicopter launched penguin or mirage launched exocet' post, but sure.

Uh, sorry (clears out of thread)

The Shadow Magi are not pleased. However, we are aware of our propensity to be overlooked, as it is part of our natural demeanor and ablilties, so we will merely restate our order. Please quote us a price promptly.


Order:
1 Heavy Cruiser
2 FD destroyers (anti-sub)
2 GM Destoryers
2 GM Corvettes
3 Frigate (stripped down)
5 Shaldag Patrol Boats
10 Dvora Patrol Boats

If possible, we'd like to remove the helicopter capability from all ships in favor of empty space. Our countries weapon systems and armor are much too heavy to be used in aircraft, thus we have not developed any, nor are we familiar with aircraft. Also, if we could have modular equipment when possible. Many weapons systems and other technology will be gutted and refitted with our own systems once we get these ships. We would like the frigates stripped down as much as possible, with as few decks in the hulls as possible. We will be refitting these to transport our large Mobile Armor.

*pokes Wester Asia HARD in the side about the pending sale posted atleast 2 or 3 days ago by the region of Nuclear Wastelands..* We would like our ships soon as that will be the beginning of our navy... :evil:

We would like to reserve a Bombardment Cruiser.

SORRY FOR DELAY, MOST ORDERS DEALT WITH BELOW.
Please be patient, thank you.
OOC: I’m sorta in the middle of finishing off my APs, after Monday the 12th my response time should return to normal. NOTE: It is WA’s policy to provide temporary loans of older vessels to nations that are in immediate need of naval power until their order has been delivered. Telegram me and place a post in this forum and I will inform you of which ships in what numbers have been/will be sent, wars against some nations will not be supported by WA ships on loan and we reserve the right to deny this service without prior warning.

ALL SHIPS ARE PREPARED TO BE SENT AND WILL BE EN ROUTE THE MOMENT THAT THE ORDER IS CONFIRMED. Training is provided for all crews free of charge (if they have previous naval experience) and will be conducted for 2 weeks starting the day after the vessels’ arrival.

Inquiries about Aircraft Carriers: The specs for each of the versions will be posted in a subsequent message.
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Noting rasied taxes as well as the unexpected sales of our MDRS units in addition to other means (donations, etc.), our government has received a surplus of money.

Through our policies, we adjusted the money and allotted 40 billion dollars of the surplus to Navy Development.

What we are simply requesting is that you design a powerful, yet well-balanced and complete Navy fleet for $40B.
We are finishing the final organization of this order and it should be posted shortly. A note: all crafted fleets will be announced at the same time, hopefully by the end of the week. Other fleets will be built off of the general principles.

The Pilot fleet ranges from Amphibious Assault Ship to Bombardment Cruiser to Corvette to FAMB in appropriate ratios for strength, flexability, and maneuverability.


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i will take 10 super dvora boats and 10 of the 16 missile array frigates. please reply with the specific price so i am begin to wire the money. gracias.
10 X Super Dvora Mk II Patrol Boat@ $4M/unit= $40M
10 X ASW Frigate (anti-submarine, 16-missile VLS array)@ $238M/unit= $2.38bn
10 X SH-60 LAMPS Seahawk (for large ships) @ $12M/unit= $120M

Total, with added costs, is $2.57bn
Glad to do business with you and sorry for the delay.


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We'd like to requisition a number of your craft. We are currently building our own navy up, and the constuction has been moving slowly. Some forces in the interim would be highly useful.

Order:
1 Heavy Cruiser
2 FD destroyers (anti-sub)
2 GM Destoryers
2 GM Corvettes
3 Frigate (stripped down)
5 Shaldag Patrol Boats
10 Dvora Patrol Boats

If possible, we'd like to remove the helicopter capability from all ships in favor of empty space. Our countries weapon systems and armor are much too heavy to be used in aircraft, thus we have not developed any, nor are we familiar with aircraft. Also, if we could have modular equipment when possible. Many weapons systems and other technology will be gutted and refitted with our own systems once we get these ships. We would like the frigates stripped down as much as possible, with as few decks in the hulls as possible. We will be refitting these to transport our large Mobile Armor.

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The Shadow Magi are not pleased. However, we are aware of our propensity to be overlooked, as it is part of our natural demeanor and ablilties, so we will merely restate our order. Please quote us a price promptly.

I took the liberty of assuming that you wanted the high-cap VLS arrays for the GM ships as available, as these have more compact and modular systems elsewhere, if there is a problem with this then I will adjust the order.

1 X Heavy Bombardment Cruiser (16-missile array, 2 double batt.)@ $1.1bn/unit= $1.1bn
2 X FD Destroyer (anti-submarine, 24-missile VLS array)@ $260M/unit= $520M
2 X GM Destroyer (guided-missile, 96-missile VLS array)@ $940M/unit= $1.88bn
2 X Corvette (Guided-missile, 8-missile array) @ $185M/unit= $370M
5 X Shaldag Mk II Patrol Boat@ $4.5M/unit= $22.5M
10 X Super Dvora Mk II Patrol Boat@ $4M/unit= $40M

Now, as for the Frigate, I will happily provide it with little more than its engines, hull, and electronics systems. This will mean about $145M PER unit or with 3 Frigates, (stripped down) it should be $440M.

So the total price is $4.37 Billion. There are no extra charges and the price is somewhat reduced as we removed the smaller guns (.50 cal, 3in, and intermediates) from the big ships and many of the support systems for those guns, saving us a good deal of money.

Without helicopters you have about 50-70 feet are opened up on the larger ships. To the aft section of the ships, with an integral load bearing capability of about 100tons (reinforced to bear the weight of the landing pad, equipment, helicopters and supplies for them all.

We greatly appreciate your business and are repentant for the delays that were suffered. I hope that you are satisfied with what you receive. The ships have already set off so all that remains is your final approval of the sale.


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LordSquallfreeRepublic would wanna buy a GM Cruiser (127-missile array, Helicopter-Enabled)
and a NIRIT.
The transaction will be effectued by telegram : our ministry of defence pays you immediately after the purchase by credit card : don't take all your time : we need it quickly.

Victor I
President of
LordSquallFreeRepublic
And its lovely GHLBT people
Viewed and approved by the minisry
of LordsquallFreeRepublic armored defense

1 X GM Cruiser (127-missile array)@ $1.2bn/unit= $1.2bn
1 X Fast Attack Missile Boat (Nirit)@ $130M/unit= $130M
2 X SH-60 LAMPS Seahawk@ $12M/unit= $24M (full load for the cruiser)

Total price, with charges, is $1.358bn. Glad to do business with you and sorry for the delay.


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20 Super Dvora Mk II Patrol Boats x $4M = $80M
All stocked with "Ma Duce" Browning M2 0.50cal machine guns: 20 x $17 000 = $340 000

2 GM Frigates (Guided-missile, 80-missile array, Helicopter-enabled) x $900M = $1.8 Bn
5 FD Destroyers (anti-submarine or anti-air, 16-missile VLS array, Helicopter-enabled) x $220M = $1.1 Bn
1 GM Cruiser (127-missile array, Helicopter-Enabled) x $1.2 Bn = $1.2 Bn

Total
---- $4 180 340 000

I will wire the money as soon as you take up our offer.
---Minister of Foreign Military Trade, Zeronia

NOTE: I split your order of FD destroyers to the standard ratio.
1 X GM Cruiser (127-missile array)@ $1.2bn/unit= $1.2bn
2 X FD Destroyer (anti-submarine, 16-missile VLS array)@ $220M/unit= $440M
3 X FD Destroyer (anti-air, 16-missile VLS array)@ $220M/unit= $660M
2 X GM Frigate (Guided-missile, 80-missile VLS array)@ $900M/unit= $1.8bn
20 X Super Dvora Mk II Patrol Boat@ $4M/unit= $80M
20 X M2 .50 cal with manual stations for Patrol Boats@$17,000= $340,000
8 X SH-60 LAMPS Seahawk@ $12M/unit= $96M <standard (light) load for large ships>

Total price, with charges, is $4.34bn.
Glad to do business with you, and sorry for the delay.


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The kingdom of Ell would like to purchase:

20 GM Cruisers @ $240M per GM Cruiser
total cost: $4.8 billion

20 X GM Cruiser (16-missile array)@ $240M/unit= $4.8
20 X SH-60 LAMPS Seahawk@ $12M/unit= $240m <standard (light) load for large ships>

Total cost, with charges, is $5.08bn. Sorry for the delay, I hope that you find these products satisfactory.


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The Commonwealth Of Beth Gellert, having previously purchased one of your frigates, now wishes, upon reaching a population of fifty-million, and experiencing a minor economic recovery, as well as increasing defence spending, to purchase a further vessel from your catalogue.
We desire one fleet-defence anti-air destroyer of the 16-missile VLS array sort.

With it we would again like a Seahawk helicopter.

(Is this destroyer capable of operating more than one helicopter? If so we may consider purchasing a second (helicopter (Seahawk)), but we are undecided on this matter, should it prove relevent)

Many thanks.

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Without wanting to rush the very capable but over-worked Western Asians, the Commonwealth of Beth Gellert is quite desperately requiring of that FD destroyer that was ordered (on the previous page, I think) as we are currently at war in support of a besiged ally, and finding our convoys worryingly thinly covered from air assault.

This isn't a complaint of course! More a plea, really.
Argh! We're all going to die!

(We're watching with great interest progress on the possible transport vessels..hopefully we'll finally make an order for more than one ship at a time when they come out.)

1 X FD Destroyer (anti-air, 24-missile VLS array)@ $220M/unit= $220M <free upgrade in VLS, for a good customer and friendly nation>
2 X SH-60 LAMPS Seahawk@ $12M/unit= $24M

Total cost, with charges, is $244M. Sorry for the delay but I hope that you appreciate your ships. Yes, the destroyer can bear and support 2 Seahawks or 1 CH53 Seadragon (the cruiser update will only bear 2 of these or 3 Seahawks).


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i need 24 Shaldag Mk II Patrol Boats each armed with 2 "Ma Duce" Browning M2 0.50cal machine gun (manual). i calculated it would be 148 million for the boats and 816 thousand for the guns... see if i'm right, if not, just tell me
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Ya, plz make me two of these Gm Frigates, with helis enabled... it should cost around...um... 380 mill, rite?? telegram me about this, and the order of 24 Shaldag MKII each with two .5 cal manual machine guns...

2 X GM Frigate (Guided-missile, 16-missile VLS array)@ $195M/unit= $390M
24 X Shaldag Mk II Patrol Boat@ $4.5M/unit= $108M
48 X M2 .50 cal with manual stations for Patrol Boats@$17,000= $816,000
2 X SH-60 LAMPS Seahawk@ $12M/unit= $24M <standard (light) load for large ships>

Total cost, with charges, is $532M. Glad to do business with you, and sorry for the delay.


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NUCLEAR WASTELANDS ALLIANCE ORDER

I have 2 conflicting orders so I’ll give the offer of each and let you decide which you’d prefer

The region of Nuclear Wastelands would like to purchase 10 of your Corvettes, heli enabled, coming to a bill of $1.5 bil i do believe? I have the backing of 9 other nations for this purchase and we have not spent any money in the past 5 days so we are good for it.


In collaboration with Smallishville in the Nuclear Wastelands Alliance, we are wondering where our corvettes are. If it all possible, we would like to order ten. Thank you.
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We would like those Corvettes to be half GM and half heli equiped...
ALL HELI-Corvettes
10 X Corvette (Helicopter-enabled), Baseline 2 equipment@ $150M/unit= $1.5bn
10 X SH-60 LAMPS Seahawk@ $12M/unit= $120M
(note: this corvette CANNOT support a CH53, it was considered but since there wouldn’t be room for personnel and such we decided against bothering)

Total cost, with charges, is $1.64bn.

50-50 Heli/GM Corvettes
5 X Corvette (Guided-missile, 8-missile array), Baseline 2 equipment @ $185M/unit= $925M
5 X Corvette (Helicopter-enabled), Baseline 2 equipment@ $150M/unit= $750M
5 X SH-60 LAMPS Seahawk@ $12M/unit= $60M
(note: this corvette CANNOT support a CH53, it was considered but since there wouldn’t be room for personnel and such we decided against bothering)

Total cost, with charges, is $1.77bn.
Please clarify which you desire.
Sorry for the delay. I hope that these vessels serve your region well.

Additional orders from your alliance:

We would also like to add to our order three mine-sweeping frigates and twenty Super Dvora MK II Patrol Boats.

3X Mine-Sweeping Frigate = 600M
20X Super Dvora MK II Patrol Boat = 80M

Good Day

3 X ASW Frigate (anti-submarine, 8-missile VLS array)@ $178M/unit= $534M
3 X ASW Frigate Mine-sweeping upgrade@ $2M/unit= $6M
20 X Super Dvora Mk II Patrol Boat@ $4M/unit= $80M
3 X SH-60 LAMPS Seahawk@ $12M/unit= $36M

Total price of 2nd order, with charges, is $665M. You can pay for both orders together (just say so) or each individually as suits your members.


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$1.2 Bn per GM Cruiser (127-missile array, Helicopter-Enabled) X 2 = $2, 400, 000, 000
$240M per GM Cruiser (16-missile array, Helicopter-enabled) X 4 = $960, 000, 000
$860M per GM Cruiser (64-missile array, Helicopter-enabled) X 2 = $1, 720, 000, 000

$220M per FD Destroyer (anti-submarine or anti-air, 16-missile VLS array, Helicopter-enabled) X 8 = $1, 760, 000, 000
$260M per FD Destroyer (anti-submarine or anti-air, 24-missile VLS array) X 2 = $520, 000, 000
$260M per GM Destroyer (guided-missile, 24-missile array, Helicopter-enabled) X 5 = $1, 300, 000, 000

$195M per GM Frigate (Guided-missile, 16-missile array, Helicopter-enabled) X 6 = $1, 170, 000, 000
$238M per ASW Frigate (anti-submarine, 16 VLS array) + $2M/unit upgraded with ship-based mine-sweeping gear X 4 = $960, 000, 000

Overall: $10 790 000 000

ASAP if possible.

Oh It's good to be a superpower

Do you do custom orders?

OOC: Have i got my maths right? You might have to check those figures ^^;;


SORRY FOR THE DELAY.
For an order of this magnitude you have a great range of options for customization.

The price for the ships is confirmed at $10.79bn, your figures are perfectly accurate.
- If you want a normal load (1/ship when applicable) of helicopters then the cost of that would be:
33 X SH-60 LAMPS Seahawk@ $12M/unit= $396
- If you want a full load (2/ship when applicable) of helicopters then the cost of that would be:
66 X SH-60 LAMPS Seahawk@ $12M/unit= $792
- Charges for the equipping of the guns, quarters, and facilities runs to a total of about $132M

This all means that the total cost runs between $11.32bn (normal/low heli load and $11.71bn (full heli load).
I hope that you are pleased with this fleet of vessels. Again, we are grievously sorry for the massive delay. The vessels are already on their way and a formal presentation will be made by our own Admiral Ya’aron, the commander of the expeditionary fleet involved in the Arani war, and J. Gatz, our Weapons Trade Representative. Our sailors will be returned by FFTs that will accompany the fleet. We would also like to sign a non-aggression pact with Chimea. Even though our previous interactions have been good, it is always nice to set some boundaries in this crazy world.


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Don't worry this takes while, I am still negotating with Western Asia due to the type of buy I am trying. but at this point I may finish the type of ships I want on my own and may just buy one of Western Asias smaller warships or desiel subs if he has any, I need some subs that can be quieters than nuclear subs and disiel subs are the only ones I know that can pull that off.

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The Teritoran Naval and coast guard board announces that the the ships for the Teritoran Royal Navy and coast guard are nearing completion and they will not need their request from Western Asia however they are asks wether Western Asia makes subs, The Teritoran Navy is looking for extremely quiet subs that are quieter then Nuclear subs but can take on other subs including Missile subs and Nuclear attack subs.

I am sorry to hear that we lost the contract for those ships but our engineers were tearing their hair out thinking about how to fit their prized ships with old technology…

As I’ve explained to you, we are producing the Dolphin-class submarines with the following specs:

They run on electric motors while submerged, using the engine to charge when on the surface. They use many of the latest designs and counter-sonar technologies to reduce the signature and are very powerful for their size, manning, and cost

Our Dolphin-class attack submarines are going for. With a 16 torpedo/SSM stowage capacity (including torpedoes in-tube), 10 Bow tubes (4- 650mm and 6- 533mm). Loading is managed by a computer-assisted selection, presentation, and loading system.

Has a crew of 30 and a length of only about 57m, a 30 day endurance, a diving depth of 350m. They are only $340M each (loaded with compliment of 10 torpedoes).

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Finally got around to submitting an order.

3 * $1.2 Bn per GM Cruiser (127-missile array, Helicopter-Enabled)
3 * $1.1Bn per Heavy Bombardment Cruiser (16-missile array, 4-155mm shore bombardment guns in 2-double batteries, 3-6in guns, 4- 5in guns, added experimental combham-style armor, Helicopter-enabled)
9 * $260M per FD Destroyer (anti-submarine or anti-air, 24-missile VLS array)
9 * $940M per GM Destroyer (guided-missile, 96-missile array, Helicopter-enabled)
6 * $900M per GM Frigate (Guided-missile, 80-missile array, Helicopter-enabled)
6 * $238M per ASW Frigate (anti-submarine, 16 VLS array)
12 * $185M per Corvette (Guided-missile, 8-missile array) Baseline 2 equipment

As many cruisers and destroyers upgraded to MTHEL as you are prepared to supply.

Total = 24.408 billion dollars + cost of MTHEL
(You may want to check the maths)

SORRY FOR THE DELAY.

A MTHEL system comes in at about $25M/unit for the export version (full, armed system with control suite built in). Each unit can track 4 targets simultaneously and should be able to engage all 4 if they are subsonic or trans-sonic. 2-3 if the incoming are supersonic. The systems can be linked through a special channel on the Fleet Communication and Command System (FCCS), allowing them to each engage separate targets while firing Phalanx and small Anti-missile missiles against other targets while under operator control. Each station requires 4 dedicated (specially trained) control personnel (3 operator/coordinators and 1 officer) for operations and 2 technicians to maintain the system. When coordinating other fleet defense systems, 2 other operators are required to coordinate and control other systems. Our export board has agreed to allow 4 systems for the 126-VLS Cruisers (2/ship for 2 ships), 3 for the HBCs (1/ship requires the removal of 2, 5in and 1, 3in guns for space), and 6 for 3 of the AA-FD destroyers (2/ship, those will come without deck-based SAM battery). That is 13 systems@ $25M/unit or $325M.
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Order:
3 X GM Cruiser (127-missile array)@ $1.2bn/unit= $3.6bn
3 X Heavy Bombardment Cruiser (16-missile array, 2 double batt.)@ $1.1bn/unit= $3.3bn

(the FD Destroyers were organized in a 2:1 (AA:ASW) ratio…this can be changed upon request)
3 X FD Destroyer (anti-submarine, 24-missile VLS array)@ $260M/unit= $780M
6 X FD Destroyer (anti-air, 24-missile VLS array)@ $260M/unit= $1.56bn

9 X GM Destroyer (guided-missile, 96-missile VLS array)@ $940M/unit= $8.46bn

6 X GM Frigate (Guided-missile, 80-missile VLS array)@ $900M/unit= $5.4bn
6 X ASW Frigate (anti-submarine, 16-missile VLS array)@ $238M/unit= $1.428bn

12 X Corvette (Guided-missile, 8-missile array), Baseline 2 equipment@ $185M/unit= $2.22bn
13 X MTHEL ABM System for ships @$25M/unit= $325M

The price for the ships and MTHEL systems is registered at $27.073bn.
- If you want a normal load (1/ship when applicable) of helicopters then the cost of that would be:
36 X SH-60 LAMPS Seahawk@ $12M/unit= $432
- If you want a full load (2/ship when applicable) of helicopters then the cost of that would be:
72 X SH-60 LAMPS Seahawk@ $12M/unit= $864
- Charges for the equipping of the guns, quarters, and on-ship facilities runs to a total of about $192M

This all means that the total cost runs between $27.697bn (normal/low heli load and $28.129bn (full heli load).
I hope that you are pleased with this fleet of vessels. Again, we are grievously sorry for the massive delay. The vessels are already on their way and a formal presentation will be made by our Secretary of State, Ruach Chal Pressman, and Maj. Gen. Uziel "the Bear" Mofaz, our Military Liason at Large. We would also like to sign a non-aggression pact with Austrin-Otis, to ensure some loyalty between a customer and his provider in these harrowing times.

From: Dept of Defence

Firstly, well done on the development of these products,
Secondly, we have telegrammed you our purchase order.

Thanks in advance.

Assuming our credit is still good, Reploid Productions would like to purchase 5 heavy bombardment cruisers, 3 ASW Frigates (16 VLS array, and with mine-sweeping gear), and 2 GM Corvettes. Half of the money will be wired on confirmation of the order, and the remainder paid upon delivery of the ships. Thank you in advance.

~Tiffany Celta
~Secretary of Defense

~Katana Dranotisainak
~Secretary of the Treasury
~Holy Empire of Reploid Productions

GMC wishes to inform Western Asia that the design for the Bombardment Platform has been finalised. We therefore have orders for one HB Cruiser and four HB cruiser hulls with no armament.

Rachel Knight, External Affairs, GMC Military Arms.

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$1.2 Bn per GM Cruiser (127-missile array, Helicopter-Enabled) X 2 = $2, 400, 000, 000
$240M per GM Cruiser (16-missile array, Helicopter-enabled) X 4 = $960, 000, 000
$860M per GM Cruiser (64-missile array, Helicopter-enabled) X 2 = $1, 720, 000, 000

$220M per FD Destroyer (anti-submarine or anti-air, 16-missile VLS array, Helicopter-enabled) X 8 = $1, 760, 000, 000
$260M per FD Destroyer (anti-submarine or anti-air, 24-missile VLS array) X 2 = $520, 000, 000
$260M per GM Destroyer (guided-missile, 24-missile array, Helicopter-enabled) X 5 = $1, 300, 000, 000

$195M per GM Frigate (Guided-missile, 16-missile array, Helicopter-enabled) X 6 = $1, 170, 000, 000
$238M per ASW Frigate (anti-submarine, 16 VLS array) + $2M/unit upgraded with ship-based mine-sweeping gear X 4 = $960, 000, 000

Overall: $10 790 000 000

ASAP if possible.

Oh It's good to be a superpower

Do you do custom orders?

OOC: Have i got my maths right? You might have to check those figures ^^;;


SORRY FOR THE DELAY.
For an order of this magnitude you have a great range of options for customization.

The price for the ships is confirmed at $10.79bn, your figures are perfectly accurate.
- If you want a normal load (1/ship when applicable) of helicopters then the cost of that would be:
33 X SH-60 LAMPS Seahawk@ $12M/unit= $396
- If you want a full load (2/ship when applicable) of helicopters then the cost of that would be:
66 X SH-60 LAMPS Seahawk@ $12M/unit= $792
- Charges for the equipping of the guns, quarters, and facilities runs to a total of about $132M

This all means that the total cost runs between $11.32bn (normal/low heli load and $11.71bn (full heli load).
I hope that you are pleased with this fleet of vessels. Again, we are grievously sorry for the massive delay. The vessels are already on their way and a formal presentation will be made by our own Admiral Ya’aron, the commander of the expeditionary fleet involved in the Arani war, and J. Gatz, our Weapons Trade Representative. Our sailors will be returned by FFTs that will accompany the fleet. We would also like to sign a non-aggression pact with Chimea. Even though our previous interactions have been good, it is always nice to set some boundaries in this crazy world.


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We'll take the full helicopter load, that'd be perfect :)

And we'd love to sign a non-agression pact with Western Asia!

~Acting-Governor Michael Stirling

FROM THE GUBBISTAN DEFENCE MINISTER

$150M per Corvette (Helicopter-enabled), Baseline 2 equipment? humm, ide like 2 please

That would be $300M then

Will wire money after conformation on thread

They sound perfect for my needs I will take three Dolphin-class submarines. They will copament Our current sub under contruction, the Sea Dragon class patrol sub of which there will be 20 very well.


Occ. you forgot the top speed surfaced and top speed submerged.

Many thanks to Western Asia. The money is being transfered.

Next time we make an order we hope to make it more worth your while (ie. order something more expensive or likely in greater quantity :) )

Okay, this is Nuclear Wastelands Alliance...tried to get back to Azerbanii, but forumns are being gay... :twisted:
hehe, anyway, we'll take both of the orders offered by Azerbanii. Should look something like this...
3X AWS Frigate (8 missile array, anti sub)
3X AWS Frigate (mine-sweeping)
5X Heli Equiped Corvette
5X GM Corvette
20X Super Dvora Patrol boat
and those other helicopters..
comes out to..2.435B?
money is being wired, sorry for all the confusion

Also...now that we got that other order out of the way...do you have anything in the way of troop transports or something like that? also, could use something for storming beachheads, etc.

$260M per GM Destroyer (guided-missile, 24-missile array, Helicopter-enabled

And four "Nirit" fast attack boats at 130 mil each.

Grand total of 780 mil.

There goes my defence budget....consider money wired upon acceptance of the deal.

Phew, lots of orders and I apologise if mine takes up too much of your time kind nation.

The Prime Minister of Nasarloth after seeing many nations go to war in the naval area we feel some what vunerable with our current naval force...which is 10 patrol boats mounted with m-60 machine guns.

So after recieving a big boost of military spending from the government (4.5% of my GNP I lowered it from the original setting of 7%) We would like to order the following if the price doesnt rise much we would request all helicopter enabled to come with the max amount of helicopters it can carry. If it becomes too much simply the standard package for each ship.

Thank you.
Minister for Trade: Nicolas Gronige.

Order as follows.
20 $260M per GM Destroyer (guided-missile, 24-missile array, Helicopter-enabled)

10 $178M per ASW Frigate (anti-submarine, 8-missile VLS array)
VLS meant for ASW (Anti-Submarine) torpedos (4 come with) as well as rail-launched ASROCs, Helicopter-enabled).

20 $220M per FD Destroyer (anti-submarine or anti-air, 16-missile VLS array, Helicopter-enabled)

We await confirmation of our Order.

I take it our order was rejected........

Phew, lots of orders and I apologise if mine takes up too much of your time kind nation.

The Prime Minister of Nasarloth after seeing many nations go to war in the naval area we feel some what vunerable with our current naval force...which is 10 patrol boats mounted with m-60 machine guns.

So after recieving a big boost of military spending from the government (4.5% of my GNP I lowered it from the original setting of 7%) We would like to order the following if the price doesnt rise much we would request all helicopter enabled to come with the max amount of helicopters it can carry. If it becomes too much simply the standard package for each ship.

Thank you.
Minister for Trade: Nicolas Gronige.

Order as follows.
20 $260M per GM Destroyer (guided-missile, 24-missile array, Helicopter-enabled)

10 $178M per ASW Frigate (anti-submarine, 8-missile VLS array)
VLS meant for ASW (Anti-Submarine) torpedos (4 come with) as well as rail-launched ASROCs, Helicopter-enabled).

20 $220M per FD Destroyer (anti-submarine or anti-air, 16-missile VLS array, Helicopter-enabled)

We await confirmation of our Order.

I take it our order was rejected........
OOC:
Not at all! Anything after Volga's order is still being processed, I just found myself falling asleep while typing so I decided to put it off a day. Yours is second on the list.

A GENERAL NOTE: Telegrammed orders are to be filled directly after I finish Oxford-Montalvo's, also at that time I will announce the crafted fleets' descriptions and costs and, a long shot here, the orders since O-M's in the thread and by telegram..

could i have a FD Destroyer (anti-submarine or anti-air, 16-missile VLS array, Helicopter-enabled)

And just when I thought that I could kick my feet up and rest after all of those orders.... :D

And just when I thought that I could kick my feet up and rest after all of those orders.... :D

Well atlest our order is easy three of those Dolphin-class submarines, We are sended the money on confermation of agreement for the order.

I would like 20 Blackhawks with S&R equipment.

$260M per GM Destroyer (guided-missile, 24-missile array, Helicopter-enabled

And four "Nirit" fast attack boats at 130 mil each.

Grand total of 780 mil.

There goes my defence budget....consider money wired upon acceptance of the deal.

Surely a small order like this would not overly tax your shipyards.

OOC: The other orders <previous to this post> should all be filled by monday night (rl time).

IC: We have just completed the large AO and Chimaea orders and they are en route for the respective formal presentation ceremonies. ETA in 3 days.

All other orders will be delt with as space is available, which should be very soon.

Clan Smoke Jaguar is once again looking toward expanding its navy, and, as we have yet to see any comparable unit surpassing their performance, we are looking to purchase the following:
8xMissile Corvette @ $1.48 billion
12xHelicopter Corvette @ $1.8 billion
16xNirit FAMB @ $2.08 billion
12xSH-60B @ $144 million

We will wire $2 billion as a down payment as soon as the order is confirmed, with the rest upon delivery.

They sound perfect for my needs I will take three Dolphin-class submarines. They will copament Our current sub under contruction, the Sea Dragon class patrol sub of which there will be 20 very well.


Occ. you forgot the top speed surfaced and top speed submerged.

ooc: damn, sorry
IC: Additional Info on the Dolphin-class Attack Subs
The Dolphins have a speed of 20 knots dived and a snorting speed of 11 knots (ooc: not I do not have any clue what "snorting" means although it doesn't seem to be the surface speed...I couldn't find more info about speed as the 2 sites with decent info do not make any other mention of speed).

The range of the submarine is 8,000 miles at a surface speed of eight knots and over 400 miles at an economical speed of 8 knots dived.

The hull is rated for a diving depth of 350m.

The crew is about 30 personnel.

Occ: If I remember correctly snorting is when they surface to recharge their batteries or are near the surface to recharge the batteries and refesh the air in the sub.

As we stated we will take three of these subs. The money is on its way as we speak.

OOC:
Not at all! Anything after Volga's order is still being processed, I just found myself falling asleep while typing so I decided to put it off a day. Yours is second on the list.

A GENERAL NOTE: Telegrammed orders are to be filled directly after I finish Oxford-Montalvo's, also at that time I will announce the crafted fleets' descriptions and costs and, a long shot here, the orders since O-M's in the thread and by telegram..


OOC: Apologies, we'll wait :P

Occ: If I remember correctly snorting is when they surface to recharge their batteries or are near the surface to recharge the batteries and refesh the air in the sub.

As we stated we will take three of these subs. The money is on its way as we speak.

You're correct. Snorting is where a diesel-electric submarine goes close to the surface and recharges its batteries. It's an extremely noisy process and is the main vulnerability of DEs. The turnaround is that, though battery power is limited, they're the quietest ships out there when operating on it.

The Free Republic of Nebri Seba is, at the moment, virtually without military ability following a series of revolutions, rebellions, and civil wars resulting in the establishment of the current Parliamentary Monarchy. As a result, we find ourselves in sore need of coastal defense abilities for our nation (especially surrounding our single major port). Luckily, recent political events have resulted in an increased military budget. Suggestions concerning ship types would be appreciated, but the Ministry of Defense would like to purchase the following vessels immediately:

3xCorvette (Helicopter-enabled), Baseline 2 equipment@ $150M/unit= $450M
2x Corvette (Guided-missile, 8-missile array), Baseline 2 equipment@ $185M/unit= $370M

15x Shaldag Mk II Patrol Boat@ $4.5M/unit= $67.5M

Total Purchase= $887.5M

All corvettes are to be armed with RIM-67s. In addition, we would like to discuss the possibility of equipping a small hull (corvette or destroyer) for electronic warfare and fleet command duties through telegrams at Western Asia's convenience.

~Elrek Tor, Minister of Defense, Free Republic of Nebri Seba

(A note aside from the main thread... We of the Commonwealth wonder; how can a nation with a monrach call itself republican?)

Legislative actions are made by the democratically elected parliament, while the throne handles issues of state/diplomacy and holds limited veto power.

Hm, I don't know that quite constitues supremacy of the people, but never mind, I've already lost interest.
Woo!

Double post

SORRY FOR THE DELAY.

A MTHEL system comes in at about $25M/unit for the export version (full, armed system with control suite built in). Each unit can track 4 targets simultaneously and should be able to engage all 4 if they are subsonic or trans-sonic. 2-3 if the incoming are supersonic. The systems can be linked through a special channel on the Fleet Communication and Command System (FCCS), allowing them to each engage separate targets while firing Phalanx and small Anti-missile missiles against other targets while under operator control. Each station requires 4 dedicated (specially trained) control personnel (3 operator/coordinators and 1 officer) for operations and 2 technicians to maintain the system. When coordinating other fleet defense systems, 2 other operators are required to coordinate and control other systems. Our export board has agreed to allow 4 systems for the 126-VLS Cruisers (2/ship for 2 ships), 3 for the HBCs (1/ship requires the removal of 2, 5in and 1, 3in guns for space), and 6 for 3 of the AA-FD destroyers (2/ship, those will come without deck-based SAM battery). That is 13 systems@ $25M/unit or $325M.
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Order:
3 X GM Cruiser (127-missile array)@ $1.2bn/unit= $3.6bn
3 X Heavy Bombardment Cruiser (16-missile array, 2 double batt.)@ $1.1bn/unit= $3.3bn

(the FD Destroyers were organized in a 2:1 (AA:ASW) ratio…this can be changed upon request)
3 X FD Destroyer (anti-submarine, 24-missile VLS array)@ $260M/unit= $780M
6 X FD Destroyer (anti-air, 24-missile VLS array)@ $260M/unit= $1.56bn

9 X GM Destroyer (guided-missile, 96-missile VLS array)@ $940M/unit= $8.46bn

6 X GM Frigate (Guided-missile, 80-missile VLS array)@ $900M/unit= $5.4bn
6 X ASW Frigate (anti-submarine, 16-missile VLS array)@ $238M/unit= $1.428bn

12 X Corvette (Guided-missile, 8-missile array), Baseline 2 equipment@ $185M/unit= $2.22bn
13 X MTHEL ABM System for ships @$25M/unit= $325M

The price for the ships and MTHEL systems is registered at $27.073bn.
- If you want a normal load (1/ship when applicable) of helicopters then the cost of that would be:
36 X SH-60 LAMPS Seahawk@ $12M/unit= $432
- If you want a full load (2/ship when applicable) of helicopters then the cost of that would be:
72 X SH-60 LAMPS Seahawk@ $12M/unit= $864
- Charges for the equipping of the guns, quarters, and on-ship facilities runs to a total of about $192M

This all means that the total cost runs between $27.697bn (normal/low heli load and $28.129bn (full heli load).
I hope that you are pleased with this fleet of vessels. Again, we are grievously sorry for the massive delay. The vessels are already on their way and a formal presentation will be made by our Secretary of State, Ruach Chal Pressman, and Maj. Gen. Uziel "the Bear" Mofaz, our Military Liason at Large. We would also like to sign a non-aggression pact with Austrin-Otis, to ensure some loyalty between a customer and his provider in these harrowing times.

The delay is of no consequence, we understand that you have a large number of orders to fulfil and indeed it was the popularity of your ships that partly sparked our interest in placing an order, we were expecting a delay. All details are fine, we will take the full helicopter load option.

The fleet will be met by our president and military leader, Viola Sinysho. If you are willing she is prepared to sign a non-aggression pact with a duration of one year and the possibility of extension after that time has elapsed. It should be noted that such a pact will not immunise you from GDODAD attack but if an attack was to occur we would be no part of it.

It has been a pleasure doing business with you.

AO, that is all that we ask for.

In return, if we should ever find ourselves engaging GDODAD forces again then we will issue strict orders to never fire on AO ships. If an alliance joins an attack against GDODAD we will try to not join if your forces are involved or will resort to the above restrictions.

Any direct attack on AO will not be joined by Western Asia.

Indeed, the Fleet is a day's journey from your waters. The helicopters will be transferred to the ships from storage on the FFTs (We had a feeling that you would want more).

We are pleased to be doing business with you.

sorry cancel my order

Arrgh, sorry for delays.

Googlewoop order cancelled.

8 GM Destroyers, cheapest price

We would like to reserve a Bombardment Cruiser.

Make it two, both with MRLS.