NationStates Jolt Archive

Godmoding is:


Saying what happens to other people's stuff.
Example: "Okay, I just blew up 300,000 of your troops!"
Why this is Godmoding: Because in FreeForm Roleplay, it's up to the person being attacked to determine their own losses. This leads to...



Refusing to take any losses. Or lose. Ever.
Example: "Oh, well, my soldiers had personal forcefields so none of them were actually hurt. "
Why this is Godmoding: This is probably where godmoding gets its name (from God Mode in Doom, where you were invincible after typing IDDQD). Naturally, if nobody ever takes a hit, the fight degenerates into "I HIT YOU!" "NO YOU DIDN'T!", etc.



Having übertech, armies that are too large, etc.
Example: A 2 day old nation with a population of 6 million posts "My 6 billion man army in vades u with NUKES!!!!1"
Why this is Godmoding: Okay, little guy nations, I know you're anxious to start throwing your weight around, but let's be honest; you are piddling nothings when you first start out in the world. You really shouldn't start with nukes, and your army shouldn't ever be more than 5% of your population(that's for what you can field...the rest represents non-coms, supply lines, factories, etc). See this incredible, yet sadly unstickied, thread for details: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13017

This is just a short list. Other nations, please feel free to contribute (SERIOUS!) additions to this list.

ADDED BY SLAGDOR THE MODERATOR:
Godmod and godmode are both acceptable terms... but what's the difference? Click here to find out! (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=43557)

This should really be given a sticky so it stays at the top of the forum for everone to see.

President Bomfy
-Head of State
-Casa, Aequatio

This should really be given a sticky so it stays at the top of the forum for everone to see.

Sadly, we have no mods to do this.

Having doomsday weapons without laying down any prep work- ie "My proton antimatter Mega-Doom cannon burninates your entire nation."

Having weapons far far beyond what your country can afford, according to your economy rating. Ok, you say you have 2,000 super advanced aerospace fighters, but your economy is rated 'imploded'- uh, Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

Do not forget the amazing healing nation. This is where a person or army or what not basically keeps resurrecting, reviving, coming back for more in amazing amounts of time. Toon nations. Whitter is turned into a green glowing parking lot and returns within a week or two with a full-fledged army and war machine. This is a bit different from never taking losses; this is sort of the infinity machine... that you always seem to have more to toss into the breach.

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

Oh my god! Someone besides me says that! ^^;;;

And yeah, you're right, this really does deserve its own category, I sorta just lumped it in with too large army, etc

I think any instance involving Trogdor, burnination, or smoting Kerreks is GODMODDing, regardless of how powerful your nation is.

You forgot the cheapest God-mode tool of them all -- invoking God. Surely there is nothing more repugnant than that, especially to those of us who -are- religious. This is a game. God has better things to do with His time than intercede in someone's RPing.

thats true to a certain extent, look at russia, its economy is screwed but i wouldnt say they couldn't whip out a large amount of nukes :P

thats true to a certain extent, look at russia, its economy is screwed but i wouldnt say they couldn't whip out a large amount of nukes :P

Because they used to have a good economy and spent more than 25% of their GDP on the military, compared to our (I think?)2-3%.

Feh. I'm calling it a night, as tempting as it is to watch this unfold...hopefully a strong enough catalyst to get some much-needed moderation here. I'll probably be back in a couple of days, depending on how often and how long the boards implode.

thats true to a certain extent, look at russia, its economy is screwed but i wouldnt say they couldn't whip out a large amount of nukes :P

Because they used to have a good economy and spent more than 25% of their GDP on the military, compared to our (I think?)2-3%.

economy's can be strong and then they can collapse ;) but you cant expect an imploded economy to churn out hundreds of nukes

mmhmmm

thats true to a certain extent, look at russia, its economy is screwed but i wouldnt say they couldn't whip out a large amount of nukes :P

Because they used to have a good economy and spent more than 25% of their GDP on the military, compared to our (I think?)2-3%.

economy's can be strong and then they can collapse ;) but you cant expect an imploded economy to churn out hundreds of nukes

That's exactly my point. They churned out the nukes with their strong economy, then their economy went to "Imploded." This would probably affect maintenence of the warheads, their ability to deploy troops, feed troops, equip troops, etc,but they'd still have them. A good RPer would take this into account.

A special note should probably be made about Ignore weapons, as they tend to be very large, improbable, undefeatable superweapons (Idiot Godmoder Non-continuity Omni-Repellant Eradicatior Supercannon, anyone? :lol: ), but are only used in the figurative process of ignoring godmoders or other idiots.

A special note should probably be made about Ignore weapons, as they tend to be very large, improbable, undefeatable superweapons (Idiot Godmoder Non-continuity Omni-Repellant Eradicatior Supercannon, anyone? :lol: ), but are only used in the figurative process of ignoring godmoders or other idiots.

Yes, Ignore Cannons are special cases. ^_^

I'd also like to remind the court that the Big Freakin' Cannon of Justice is a primitive Ignore Cannon. After all, what better way to ignore something than to bury it? Isn't that right, Jimmy Hoffa? :twisted:

Okay, here's some perspective on population.

Occording to the most recent census, the 2001 population of the state of Alabama is 4,464,356. The estimated population of New York City in 2000 was 8,008,278. So, a starting nation with a population of 5 million would fall between the size of Alabama and NYC. Your first population increase would, essentially, make you New York. When thinking of your army, think about this. If your whole population is smaller than that of NYC, then you probably don't have "lazer hover tanks".

Something else, 5% of 5 million is 250,000, or the rough amount of troops the United States has in Iraq.

And one more thing, when you're a brand new nation, please remember that your population is about one sixth the number of people who watch "American Idol".

What about stuff from other planets?

What about stuff from other planets?

I made a post about this earlier actually, I'll recreate it here.

Übertech isn't the problem. Godmoding is. Lowtech can kick Übertech's ass if played right. Observe:

Player A has a combat cyborg with death ray eyes, gatling guns on his arms, and a flamethrower built into his soft pallate (TROGGGGDOOOOORRRR!!).

Player B has a 50-year-old with an AK-47.

Nothing is stopping Player B's soldier from sneaking up behind Player A's soldier and putting a bullet in his head.

An AK-47 can kill you just as dead as a particle beam cannon.

You also must take into account its policies. If it has much invested in defence and conscription is required etc, its most likely going to have a larger army. So if a nation is relativly new but it has conscription it would have better figures than 5%

Conscription armies are often prone to be a bit lower on loyalties. Not always, but often.

You also must take into account its policies. If it has much invested in defence and conscription is required etc, its most likely going to have a larger army. So if a nation is relativly new but it has conscription it would have better figures than 5%

This is true, but not much better. Maybe 7-8%. Anything more than that and your economy would implode like crazy.

uhhhh ok. Still isnt the answer to my question because if my nation has alien technology that is from another galaxy with a type of weapon that can shoot a type of beam that can wipe out another nation. Or use Quantam Steel (strongest in universe) on my aircrafts or cyborgs etc.

That seems to be leaning toward GODMODDing. And how do you know your steel is the strongest in the universe? Have you been everywhere in the universe?

You also must take into account its policies. If it has much invested in defence and conscription is required etc, its most likely going to have a larger army. So if a nation is relativly new but it has conscription it would have better figures than 5%

This is true, but not much better. Maybe 7-8%. Anything more than that and your economy would implode like crazy.

Yes very true, but when you have a larger nation that extra 3% can make a hell of a difference

galaxy traders that have visited our nation have shown statistics to other known metals through the galaxy.

uhhhh ok. Still isnt the answer to my question because if my nation has alien technology that is from another galaxy with a type of weapon that can shoot a type of beam that can wipe out another nation. Or use Quantam Steel (strongest in universe) on my aircrafts or cyborgs etc.

Declaring you have the strongest material in the universe is God-Moding. Strongest known material might be slightly different, but could also be duplicated and/or disputed.

uhhhh ok. Still isnt the answer to my question because if my nation has alien technology that is in another galaxy with a type of weapon that can shoot a type of beam that can wipe out another nation. Or use Quantam Steel (strongest in universe) on my aircrafts or cyborgs etc.

Again, it all depends. Look at it this way: when you get here, you have 5 million people. Can 5 million aliens construct/maintain all this stuff?

Übertech DOES have a higher potential for godmoding, but a good roleplayer can get around that. Frankly, though, I think most nations should probably stick to near-future or lower tech levels.

I am not saying that MY NATION is the only nation able to have this metal, and im not saying it IS the strongest, but has been said to be the strongest.

But they haven't been everywhere in the universe. That's impossible. Consider: if the universe is indeed infinite, and you are traversing the universe at even slightly less than the speed of light, it will still take you an infinite amount of time to travel the whole universe. It will also take a thousand people an infinite amount of time to travel the whole universe. It will also take 235780235780246780246035807162780246078634807078612780136780642 people an infinite amount of time to travel the whole universe.

My people are not aliens, however alien immigrants from places around the universe come here, and with allegiance to planets in the galaxy we are able to obtain these weapons.

Jeez, QUANTAM STEEL is the strongest KNOWN metal available to our planet.

And what good are soldiers if you can't afford any decent equipment for them? I've got a notepad file with my country's vital stats- current economy, current military, list of projects and what other countries may be involved, names and ranks of my country's officials, etc. I highly recommend that approach for people.

And as for a fledgling military, you start small. Odds are (unless you manage to piss off a lot of very powerful people), that if you /do/ go to war, you're not going to need mammoth tanks and nuclear weapons. You're likely to fight other fledgling nations, and not really needing heavy armour. Start small- rifles here, maybe a cheap tank (or combat motorcycle! :wink: ) or two once your population starts to climb, and so on. Work your way up the ladder to the advanced jets and battleships- it's a lot more fun when you need to plan your tactics according to what you currently have available. (Why do you think games like Warcraft or whatnot are fun? You don't just start off l33t. You have to plan your campaign around what you have available!)

Here we go: "How do you know they weren't lying to you?" After all, you're just a rinky dink island with 5 million people.

Personally, adding "quantum" to most anything tends to send up red flags...

My people are not aliens, however alien immigrants from places around the universe come here, and with allegiance to planets in the galaxy we are able to obtain these weapons.

you cant keep on comming up with excuses to justify it, that becomes Godmodding

W/E

Sith Lord Darth Starkin disagrees, wanna argue with him?

If you want something to be good, like making somethin the strongest metal in the KNOWN universe if it is connected to a group quantam shield modulating richochet gerbils that only work for so long, so that it isnt THAT uber, but is still reasonably good.. not that anyone will do that, seing as it is still on the GM (Shortened GodMod) side of things.. but you get mah point

It would also be a wise idea to post messages asking to BUY vehicles/weapons, ask for custom things.. as long as it is within reason.. Ill leave it to Kitsylvania to define "Within Reason"

<scurrys off to bunker to avoid the wrath of Kitsylvania who will be peeved to do work set by others :P>


*Edit -- I lost the post that has the crap about powering it with quantam shield modulating richochet gerbils or whatever.. so I changed it slightly :P

Personally, I belive without some kind of determinant aside from the players that features like war will be useless. Each player has their own reality for their nation, and there is no way several thousand realities will agree. But, logically, a 5 mill country stands ZERO chance against a country of 500 mill thats been around many more years than the 5 mill one. Realistically, I'd say any odds over 3 to 1 you couldnt beat. And who knows which type of country would fight harder? The police state? (for random example) or a free country? But, back to topic.. Play a good war game. To build weaponry, you have to (usualy) raise the population enough to gather recources to build military infrastructure, then afford to research and create weapons, then raise the population AGAIN to have enough people to train to use said weapons. whew.

Would it be worthwhile to point out that, no matter how incredible your new weaponry is, the more "out there" it is (especially if your nation starts of in 2003, rather than 2100 or so) then the more likely it is to actually not work or malfunction in battle.
I haven't yet had to do this to myself - generally because I don't go in for fancy weapons - but I reserve the right to, within reason, let an attacking cyborg know that one of his fuses has just blown.

I am not saying that MY NATION is the only nation able to have this metal, and im not saying it IS the strongest, but has been said to be the strongest.

It's easier to avoid this altogethe. Terms such as "strongest" and "Fastest" are absolutes. Claiming something is far more resilient than steel or goes at three times the speed of sound are a bit more reasonable, if you see the difference.

Personally, I belive without some kind of determinant aside from the players that features like war will be useless. Each player has their own reality for their nation, and there is no way several thousand realities will agree. But, logically, a 5 mill country stands ZERO chance against a country of 500 mill thats been around many more years than the 5 mill one. Realistically, I'd say any odds over 3 to 1 you couldnt beat. And who knows which type of country would fight harder? The police state? (for random example) or a free country? But, back to topic.. Play a good war game. To build weaponry, you have to (usualy) raise the population enough to gather recources to build military infrastructure, then afford to research and create weapons, then raise the population AGAIN to have enough people to train to use said weapons. whew.

There are many factors you must consider. Manpower. Tech level. Ability to build AT tech level. Stance on war. Loyalties. Basically, there is not cut and dry answer. Tactics even play a part. Small nations and groups HAVE in the past conquered far larger ones, and can again with the right tactics and equipment. It's all a matter of the specific situation.

The question of alien/advanced tech pops up a lot. There are a fair number of nations who are based in already existing universes (Brotherhood of Nod and Marathon come to mind). My policy, personally, has been simply not to interact with these nations AT ALL when RPing. My nation is supposed to be present/near future and it would be lame if I 'bought' technology from Marathon when clearly they are far outside my time/storyline.

That said, there is nothing godmode about Marathon or Nod on their face until they interact with a nation that doesn't share the premise. Even if I had a billion people in my nation I'd lose a war every time to a nation with space cruisers if I stuck to my nations identity. In reality, a nation of five million with machine guns could absolutely beat a 300 million nation of people still using bronze swords. So in that context, if you're playing a nation with 22nd century tech, yeah, you can nuke me right now and I'd be pretty helpless. The godmode comes when they won't let me have my premise (near future, no space aliens etc) the same way I'm letting them have theirs.

It's a pain for those of us playing presentish nations to have people who want to cruise through space, but that's their perogative. Telling them they can't do that is as lame as them blasting me into oblivion with plasma cannons. So perhaps at the opening of war etc we should declare, some way, what our capabilities are to prevent this kind of timeline overlap. And then, if people won't respect that, get out the ignore cannon and have fun.

:twisted: agreed

I am coming to the opinion that the roleplaying forums here should be divided into three or four sections: the Science Fiction, the Fantasy, the Historical, and Present Analagous roleplaying forums.
The Science Fiction forum would be for people like Dark Star, Marathon, etc., and people would be allowed to have all sorts of fantastic tech, alien technologies, etc.
The Fantasy would be for people like Melkor and Menelmacar and would allow fantasy races, magic, supernatural beasties, etc.
The Historical would be for those who prefer to roleplay that their country is medieval or victorian or whatever.
And the Present Analagous forum would be for roleplayer who just want to play an imaginary country with modern world technology.

The question of alien/advanced tech pops up a lot. There are a fair number of nations who are based in already existing universes (Brotherhood of Nod and Marathon come to mind). My policy, personally, has been simply not to interact with these nations AT ALL when RPing. My nation is supposed to be present/near future and it would be lame if I 'bought' technology from Marathon when clearly they are far outside my time/storyline.

That's why I usually stick to less futurustic technology Nod posesses, I do not really use laser rifles and laser walls and Obelisks and such. I do use Nod's stealth technology, however.

I am coming to the opinion that the roleplaying forums here should be divided into three or four sections: the Science Fiction, the Fantasy, the Historical, and Present Analagous roleplaying forums.
The Science Fiction forum would be for people like Dark Star, Marathon, etc., and people would be allowed to have all sorts of fantastic tech, alien technologies, etc.
The Fantasy would be for people like Melkor and Menelmacar and would allow fantasy races, magic, supernatural beasties, etc.
The Historical would be for those who prefer to roleplay that their country is medieval or victorian or whatever.
And the Present Analagous forum would be for roleplayer who just want to play an imaginary country with modern world technology.

Sounds good, but...

Considering how difficult it can be to get people to manage 5 forums (ie: real world things in a roleplaying forum), I wager we'd be spending just as much time saying "Wrong forum, go to Historical".

Then again, maybe all the godmoders would go to Historical because it'd be even more outrageous for them to use "l33t" weapons there.

Now I have a question, Let's say that for example your a reasonably new nation, :cry: but not totally just made. (16 million pop.) Could you develop a weapon? nothing all powerful, just a pretty good helicopter, and then sell it to make money to buy other stuff. would that be godmodding because yoou're still a fledgeling country, or just the symbol of a hard at work R&D department? Mostly because I would like to ge into the arms business, And I've even signed an alliance with another country, (quiet) :wink: to provide me with materials to porduce this. so could I unveil it without being accused of godmodding? if not, how does one get into the arms business legitematly :?:

Well, Strek, from what I can gather, you can, with certain caveats. If your economy is "basket case" or something similar, it's not likely. However simple things shouldn't be a problem. If you're rolling out lasers, people will probably look at you funny. I think it all boils down to "does it look crazy?"

Now if, for instance, you had a "very strong" or "powerhouse" economy, with most of your funding going into Defence (per country description), then one would assume you've got a healthy R&D department.

Strak - my answer (which is by no means the right one, just my opinion from seeing what is and isn't allowed here) is that as long as your "pretty good helicopter" doesn't do anything absolutely insane - such as teleport to another dimension when rockets are fired at it, or fire lasers constantly - and as long as your nation's economy is commensurate with being able to have people working on R&D of it, then there's no reason why you couldn't sell it.

In fact, Enodia would be interested in knowing the specifications of this helicopter (on a different thread) with a view to purchase.

What's your economy? Some small countries (Netherlands, Sweden) had or have their own weapons industry, but it takes a lot of capital for the R&D and production.
What's your history? Roleplay it out, post the reasons why your country would have developed an weapons industry. Talk about your long wars with....whatever....my country's backstory is that it was part of a long and protracted civil war between the communists and the democrats for two decades of the cold war, and before that it was a Spanish colony. Years-long civil war, with little external aid, is a good justification for a defense industry, methinks. Israel is a good example of a small country with a powerful military due to the sheer necessity of being surrounded since inception by hostile enemies, and with hte fortune of having a very powerful patron state.
Also, consider keeping it small. Maybe you just build warships. Or tanks. But not everything.

My legions of anthropomorphic mutant squirrels wouldn't be a problem.... Would they? :)

I have a strong class economy, with most of my funding going to defence, law & order, and commerce. (gotta keep those dollars rolling)

As for the chopper, thanks for your support, and I will be posting it soon.

I think the Godmod most often missed, is production.

You cannot, and I repeat, you CANNOT no matter how many people you claim work on it constantly, produce a thousand ICBMs a day, and still have any sort of population that doesn't live in slums that are attacked to missile factories.

It takes money to make these things, people. And real people don't spend 24/7 making missiles for your far too agressive nation.

Hmf.

I'll keep my transgene/enhancile troops, thank you very much. And the rest of the 2070 tech, too. Oh yeah, and the spritual/magical aspects.

What i won't do is magically project force or maintain a .7pop army (or for that matter a .1pop well-trained army. Or, for that matter, imagine that TAF troops are invulnerable. Just superhuman. :twisted:

And no matter how genetically superior you are, you still need training and talent isn't universal. And, yeah, that AK47 will kill you, though I'd very much like something that shoots 7.62NATO or better if I want guaranteed results even to the back f the neck if the TAF goon's armored.

7.62 -NATO-? Wasn't that only used in Vietnam? I thought 5.56 was NATO standard? It's more lethal anyway... It tumbles. :twisted:

More lethal when it gets through, yup. 7.62N is mainly used in light machine guns and heavier rifles these days, yes, with 5.56N standard for assault rifles.
Why'd you think the standard suit was made to shed most 5.56N hits? :twisted:

Point taken.

Now... What was this topic about? :oops:

How about putting a time rule?.......somthing like noobie nations can only start asking for nukes, make advanced weapons and do freaky stuff after (put number here) days.

If you can't use common sense, then you're gonna be ignored... By me at least.

I think any instance involving Trogdor, burnination, or smoting Kerreks is GODMODDing, regardless of how powerful your nation is.

Hold on just one friekin second. The Holy Empire of Strong Bad has only one weapon, and that is the great dragon Trogdor the Burninator. There is nothing wrong with having a creature such as a giant dragon. If I ever decide to fight with Trogdor, I will probably be defeated since 250,000+ troops could easily defeat one fire breathing dragon. The point is that there is no concrete definition of "godmodding" as you call it, because I good RPer can do just about anything, and leave himself open to attack at the same time. Example...

Nation A has a fleet of Naval Cruisers that Teleport to a new dimension when attacked with torpedoes from enemy submarines.

Nation B captures all port cities of Nation A while his Navy is in said different dimension

Nation A returns his Navy and begins attacking Nation B's troops with super accurate alien technology gathered from the different dimension

Nation B sends his own navy in, having his submarines fire torpedoes at the Cruisers. This either a) sinks some of the cruisers, or b) automatically teleports them back to the different dimension, allowing Nation B to salt and burn the cities of Nation A and move his troops out before Nation A returns again.


I guess what Im trying to say is that the only thing that is truly Godmodding would be just that... being invincible. As long as you dont refuse to take losses, I dont see why anything is impossible.

*sniffs* So proud of my little thread....


I guess what Im trying to say is that the only thing that is truly Godmodding would be just that... being invincible. As long as you dont refuse to take losses, I dont see why anything is impossible.

It's also godmoding if a n00b nation with an imploded economy has an army of 87,000,000,000 combat cyborgs with particle beam cannons, shoulder-mounted nuclear weapons, and cupholders. There's lots more things to godmoding that just being invincible, that's just where it gets its name. IDDQD, baby.

It's also godmoding if a n00b nation with an imploded economy has an army of 87,000,000,000 combat cyborgs with particle beam cannons, shoulder-mounted nuclear weapons, and cupholders. There's lots more things to godmoding that just being invincible, that's just where it gets its name. IDDQD, baby.

Hmmm, I disagree, but only in a little way. In terms of godmodding it doesn't matter how you describe your army, it's how you RP it that counts. For example, a force of ninja cyborgs numbering 8billion from a starting country shouldn't be any more effective than any other starting countries army. In this case, the cyborgs obviously have a serious design flaw (they are in fact rocks). There is a difference between godmodding and just wanting to play a futuristic game rather than a present/near-future one. I think people are a little bit harsh to newbies who want to use cool tech. They should be directed at more similar players rather than brutally scorned when they don't really know any better.

It's also godmoding if a n00b nation with an imploded economy has an army of 87,000,000,000 combat cyborgs with particle beam cannons, shoulder-mounted nuclear weapons, and cupholders. There's lots more things to godmoding that just being invincible, that's just where it gets its name. IDDQD, baby.

Hmmm, I disagree, but only in a little way. In terms of godmodding it doesn't matter how you describe your army, it's how you RP it that counts. For example, a force of ninja cyborgs numbering 8billion from a starting country shouldn't be any more effective than any other starting countries army. In this case, the cyborgs obviously have a serious design flaw (they are in fact rocks). There is a difference between godmodding and just wanting to play a futuristic game rather than a present/near-future one. I think people are a little bit harsh to newbies who want to use cool tech. They should be directed at more similar players rather than brutally scorned when they don't really know any better.

Yes, but...how can they have an army of 8 billion when their total population is FIVE MILLION and their economy is IMPLODED? How can they afford 12 guys with pointy sticks, even? Yes, there is a difference between future games and godmoding. I was only using the cyborg thing to further exaggerate, as most n00bs would. If he had an army of 8 billion viking berserkers with AK47s, it'd STILL be godmoding.

Although that IS a good idea...a n00b forum...although, given how n00bs post wherever the hell they feel like it, I doubt they'd stay there.

Personally, I belive without some kind of determinant aside from the players that features like war will be useless. Each player has their own reality for their nation, and there is no way several thousand realities will agree. But, logically, a 5 mill country stands ZERO chance against a country of 500 mill thats been around many more years than the 5 mill one. Realistically, I'd say any odds over 3 to 1 you couldnt beat. And who knows which type of country would fight harder? The police state? (for random example) or a free country? But, back to topic.. Play a good war game. To build weaponry, you have to (usualy) raise the population enough to gather recources to build military infrastructure, then afford to research and create weapons, then raise the population AGAIN to have enough people to train to use said weapons. whew.

Please recall Vietnam. Not those exact numbers, but close to the same kind of odds.

I like this thread! :)
And, yeah, that AK47 will kill you, though I'd very much like something that shoots 7.62NATO or better if I want guaranteed results even to the back f the neck if the TAF goon's armored.Our nation uses AR-1s (we're starting at the number 1 :D), or, in our native language, AF-1s. They still use the 7.62x39mm rounds. Why? They aren't as easily deflected as the 5.56mm, yet don't overpenetrate as much as the 7.62mm NATO.It tumbles.So do specialty 7.62x39s we have. Also, our ammunition is specially modifed so we can use regular 7.62x39mm ammunition, but the enemy can't use our special rounds. :D We do this by moving the neck of the case farther forward (I think - I don't have the information on hand).Why'd you think the standard suit was made to shed most 5.56N hits?Um, standard where?

Yes, but...how can they have an army of 8 billion when their total population is FIVE MILLION and their economy is IMPLODED? How can they afford 12 guys with pointy sticks, even? Yes, there is a difference between future games and godmoding. I was only using the cyborg thing to further exaggerate, as most n00bs would. If he had an army of 8 billion viking berserkers with AK47s, it'd STILL be godmoding.

Although that IS a good idea...a n00b forum...although, given how n00bs post wherever the hell they feel like it, I doubt they'd stay there.

That's true, I was referring to the future thing rather than the numbers. And while numbers can vary according to the paradigm you are operating in (Fear my 100 billion strong army.......of ants!!!) it should be within general guidelines (having it not outnumber your population is a good ground rule for a start).

As for the n00bs, it's only natural what happens. You start playing, you think 'this is cool', you look at the forums, they don't work, you keep looking at the forums till they do work, you see a war, you think 'this is super cool, i want to join in', you join in by making stuff up just like anyone else is, you get horribly scorned because you broke the laws that everyone else (sort of) follows and you didn't know about. Of course, this degree of sympathy only extends to first time godmodders, after that they are fair game.

KAIKARIEEEEEEE
(waves tusken weapon above head)

My army of invincible dragon-zombies and giant nuclear gorrillas shall not stand for Godmodding!

I want a giant nuclear gorilla. c_c

Hypothetical situation: What if one were to set up an Achilles type of thing? (Overly powerful, but with a serious weakness) Would this be considered godmodding?
(Not that I’m considering it. The last time I checked, our army consisted of 8 soldiers and an armoured truck.:))

Also, since production times are so obviously intertwined with the concept of godmodding vs. fair play, could someone tell me what the ratio is between game time and real time?

I don't think there is a problem with an achilles weapon, the only potential problem would be people not stopping the achilles heel and crying 'godmod!' because they thought it was invincible.

As for passage of time, I heard the figure of 1 month per day thrown about, but i'm not sure whether that is generally accepted.

And what good are soldiers if you can't afford any decent equipment for them? I've got a notepad file with my country's vital stats- current economy, current military, list of projects and what other countries may be involved, names and ranks of my country's officials, etc. I highly recommend that approach for people.

And as for a fledgling military, you start small. Odds are (unless you manage to piss off a lot of very powerful people), that if you /do/ go to war, you're not going to need mammoth tanks and nuclear weapons. You're likely to fight other fledgling nations, and not really needing heavy armour. Start small- rifles here, maybe a cheap tank (or combat motorcycle! :wink: ) or two once your population starts to climb, and so on. Work your way up the ladder to the advanced jets and battleships- it's a lot more fun when you need to plan your tactics according to what you currently have available. (Why do you think games like Warcraft or whatnot are fun? You don't just start off l33t. You have to plan your campaign around what you have available!)
Excellent plan. I too have a special notebook in which I keep all the stats for my country, right down to someone's name if they ever uttered a word regarding my nation.
As far as having a small nation who wants to wage war, when I was a newbie, I fought in The Slaver War****one hell of a great RP war, that was*** I simply calculated what I could reasonably afford in terms of military aid. I sent only one sqadron, small (25 pilots) and a commanding General, who oversaw the actions of the 27th Airborne Rangers, highly effecient kamakazi pilots. That was our specialty for the time being. That's all we had. As the war went on, our pop grew and we were able to send a little more aid. We fought, we participated, and we gained the repect of our fellow RPGs by being responsible. If we lost lives, so be it; the point was not to win but to get our feet wet, so to speak.
Also, the miracuous comback is ludicrous. If a real nation goes to war, the war ends at some point. A treaty is signed(Think Treaty of Versailes) So too does it end here. There should definetly be some sort of declaration of surrender, loss, Peace talks, re-alignment of territories, etc. Ya know, A TREATY!!!
I think Lavenrunz did a good job before Iesus Christi blew that to bits again, but it was a good example.

BUMP0RED! REQUIRED READING FOR ALL N00BS!

BUMP0RED! REQUIRED READING FOR ALL N00BS!

God I wish I was a mod. Then I could make this a Sticky.

I wish we -had- mods.

I wish we -had- mods.

Yes. Very.

No one's answered my question from a few pages back. To save scrambling through the pages again, here it is.

If I'm RPing my circa-2003 army against somebody who has cyborgs and the like, am I allowed to say that their fancy guns jammed or that their robot-attack-droids need oiling and thus don't work?

No one's answered my question from a few pages back. To save scrambling through the pages again, here it is.

If I'm RPing my circa-2003 army against somebody who has cyborgs and the like, am I allowed to say that their fancy guns jammed or that their robot-attack-droids need oiling and thus don't work?

No, that's their stuff. Now, if you sprayed some sort of gritty crap on them that got in their gears.... ^_^ Be creative! And lets not forget, someone with computer chips in their head would be rather suceptible to EMP fields. ^_^

Or you could obtain some mutant squirrels. They rock... And for the right price, I could be willing to part with a few.

So I can influence the robots to break down, but I can't actually break them myself - right?

So I can influence the robots to break down, but I can't actually break them myself - right?

Basically, you do whatever YOU can, but it's up to them to determine exactly how much yoru action affects THEIR guys. If they're a good roleplayer, they'll admit that you hit them. If they refuse to take any damage at all, they're probably godmoding.

It is kinda strange that some nations' armies have completely unbreakable morale. No matter how many times they get their asses handed to them, they're always right back in there with some sub Games-Workshop banter.

'GrrrgrrHONOURGLORYgrrgrrr.'

They tend to be the nations who have amazing powers of recuperation too. Now sooner has one army been slaughtered than another two apparently spring from the spilt blood of their predecessors. And then carry on as if nothing has happened.

Another nice image. The evil dictator returns to his country of 5 million after a long hard day pissing everyone off and threatening nations 100 times his size on the forums. He is ambushed by his own military command who proceeds to beat the crap out of him for being a moron and trying to get all hi men killed.

And what about magical all-encompassing EMP fields?

'Ok, I attack you with fighters and bombers.'
'Your fighters and bombers are disabled because my EMP field can disable anything. EMP can do that. It is like magic.'
'Why doesn't it effect your planes?'
'They're, um...Shielded. Yeah, that's it.'
'Why can't I do that?'
'Because I'm ten and I don't understand how my toaster works, let alone the secondary effects of a fission reaction. I win.'
'Assfactory.'

And what about magical all-encompassing EMP fields?

'Ok, I attack you with fighters and bombers.'
'Your fighters and bombers are disabled because my EMP field can disable anything. EMP can do that. It is like magic.'
'Why doesn't it effect your planes?'
'They're, um...Shielded. Yeah, that's it.'
'Why can't I do that?'
'Because I'm ten and I don't understand how my toaster works, let alone the secondary effects of a fission reaction. I win.'
'Assfactory.'

I cannot deny it. EMP is one of the magic words that solves everything. I don't really have any sort of authority or knowledge on the inner workings of EMP so I can't really comment (shock! someone not speaking about something they don't know about!) but I get the impression it's rather hard to achieve.

Other magic words include:

Advanced (You take your piece of kit, put 'advanced' in front of it, and it's better)
Quantum (Like advanced only even better)

MOAB (It's new, it's shiny, it's fairly impractical but most people use it anyway!)

I NUKE YOU! (For those incidences when you can't be bothered to roleplay a war)

EMP's "Electro Magnetic Pulse", right?

Yup. Used for frying electronics and as a catch-all excuse.

What do the Godmodding rules say with regard to 1.9 million ton ships?

EMP resistant shields. Can get them, want some? Intergalactic trade RULES.

I'm really tired of morons saying, "my 30 million troops invade your country." When you try to explain to them that not only is it not necessary, it's stupid, they argue with you, as morons always do. They say, "But I have compulsory military service" or something equally dumb.
You'd actually have to take them and give them an education to explain things, and there's little point, they don't feel obligated to listen. So the best thing to do is ignore them.

EMP resistant shields. Can get them, want some? Intergalactic trade RULES.

Trouble is, then it would turn out that they focused the EMP through a Welshman's crystal and that gets it through the shield. Or it was special EMP. Or some other crap.

Godmoding is:


Saying what happens to other people's stuff.
Example: "Okay, I just blew up 300,000 of your troops!"
Why this is Godmoding: Because in FreeForm Roleplay, it's up to the person being attacked to determine their own losses. This leads to...



Refusing to take any losses. Or lose. Ever.
Example: "Oh, well, my soldiers had personal forcefields so none of them were actually hurt. "
Why this is Godmoding: This is probably where godmoding gets its name (from God Mode in Doom, where you were invincible after typing IDDQD). Naturally, if nobody ever takes a hit, the fight degenerates into "I HIT YOU!" "NO YOU DIDN'T!", etc.



Having übertech, armies that are too large, etc.
Example: A 2 day old nation with a population of 6 million posts "My 6 billion man army in vades u with NUKES!!!!1"
Why this is Godmoding: Okay, little guy nations, I know you're anxious to start throwing your weight around, but let's be honest; you are piddling nothings when you first start out in the world. You really shouldn't start with nukes, and your army shouldn't ever be more than 5% of your population(that's for what you can field...the rest represents non-coms, supply lines, factories, etc).

This is just a short list. Other nations, please feel free to contribute (SERIOUS!) additions to this list.

Sorry, but some of us have agreed that you should start out with an army that is only 2.5% of your population and go from there.

EMP resistant shields. Can get them, want some? Intergalactic trade RULES.
Must've costed a hell load of cash that would probably bring a Powerhouse economy to an Imploded economy to get one of those...

Sometimes the description doesnt tell the truth of the nation.
And it depends on what shield you get. Quantam steel is invincible (YES IT IS) to most forms of attack, plus a EMP shield helps quite a bit too, especially if the quantam steel is thin(due to excessively high costs). and yes im a godmodder, dont like it, then f*ck off.

Helps if you can spell quantum, Darkstar. And no, it isn't.

see different quantam, your quantum is weak P.O.S., the quantam im talking about GODMODS ITS ASS.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Sure, see as its a pointless argument because neither of us will give up. Let those who believe , believe, and those who dont, its their choice. I love godmodding, and no one can say otherwise and leave an impact on my way of thought. Thjs is all our own choice, if we want to be real then so be it, but its all fictional anyways so im having my fun.

I CAN HAVE AN IMPACT ON YOUR WAY OF THOUGHT!
<Craftily sneaks up behind Darkstar and lobotomises him>

as you said b4
Riiiiiiiiiiiiight.

This should be kept to the first page...

<A giant nuclear gorilla appears and BUMPS the thread>

Bumping is so violent... *tap*

So, are we just going to carry on bumping this until everyone has read it?

BUMP!

'Because I'm ten and I don't understand how my toaster works, let alone the secondary effects of a fission reaction.'

Mwah hah hah!

Combination: BUMPAPPEAR !

This is true, but not much better. Maybe 7-8%. Anything more than that and your economy would implode like crazy.

Do not forget that some of us have gone beyond reliance on fossil fuel and have advanced to the stage of fusion and hydrogen - then letting us have far bigger or probably better equipped forces, because of not needing oil expenditure. ;)

This is true, but not much better. Maybe 7-8%. Anything more than that and your economy would implode like crazy.

Do not forget that some of us have gone beyond reliance on fossil fuel and have advanced to the stage of fusion and hydrogen - then letting us have far bigger or probably better equipped forces, because of not needing oil expenditure. ;)

Yes, but you still have to have most of your population involved in other industry so your economy does not collapse. Not having to get oil makes a small difference at best.

I want a giant nuclear gorilla. c_c

*Gives Chyssindor his very own giant nuclear gorilla*

Be sure to play nice with that nuclear gorilla though..... *Watches as the overly-affectionate giant nuclear gorilla slobbers on him and then crushes him*

Ack! >.<;

This would be another example of Godmoding, wouldn't it?

I want a giant nuclear gorilla. c_c

*Gives Chyssindor his very own giant nuclear gorilla*

Be sure to play nice with that nuclear gorilla though..... *Watches as the overly-affectionate giant nuclear gorilla slobbers on him and then crushes him*

Ack! >.<;

This would be another example of Godmoding, wouldn't it?

Well yes, a little. Generally it's fine for you to own a giant nuclear gorilla, or even multiple giant nuclear gorillas. But before you use these ginat nuclear gorillas to stamp flat your foes and post them home, you should really check whether your foe admits to the existance of giant nuclear gorillas. The answer will unfortunately likely be no.

I want a giant nuclear gorilla. c_c

*Gives Chyssindor his very own giant nuclear gorilla*

Be sure to play nice with that nuclear gorilla though..... *Watches as the overly-affectionate giant nuclear gorilla slobbers on him and then crushes him*

Ack! >.<;

This would be another example of Godmoding, wouldn't it?

Well, only because you said what happened to (pronoun). Only Chyssindor can say if the nuclear gorilla really did crush (pronoun).

I want a giant nuclear gorilla. c_c

*Gives Chyssindor his very own giant nuclear gorilla*

Be sure to play nice with that nuclear gorilla though..... *Watches as the overly-affectionate giant nuclear gorilla slobbers on him and then crushes him*

Ack! >.<;

This would be another example of Godmoding, wouldn't it?

Well, only because you said what happened to (pronoun). Only Chyssindor can say if the nuclear gorilla really did crush (pronoun).

Well, he didn't say the results of being crushed though, merely that it took place. Chyssindor's president could be made out of rubber, or only affected by quantum nuclear gorillas.

GODMODDING is wrong. I say that everyone who GODMODs gets eaten by a giant nuclear gorilla (if they exist).

GODMODDING is wrong. I say that everyone who GODMODs gets eaten by a giant nuclear gorilla (if they exist).

A noble goal, but somewhat difficult to enforce. How on earth are we supposed to explain to someone that they are are GODMODing by using unrealistic weapons whilst also simultaneously informing them they have been eaten by a giant nuclear gorilla ?

Brought to you by Double Post! (tm)

GODMODDING is wrong. I say that everyone who GODMODs gets eaten by a giant nuclear gorilla (if they exist).

A noble goal, but somewhat difficult to enforce. How on earth are we supposed to explain to someone that they are are GODMODing by using unrealistic weapons whilst also simultaneously informing them they have been eaten by a giant nuclear gorilla ?

Don't send the giant nuclear gorillas until the next day so all of the information comes easier.

Still has the fundamental hypocrisy issue. How about sending giant coal-powered gorillas for a few weeks before upgrading?

Bizarre. it isn't registering the above post as the latest post.

Testing...tesing...

You forgot the cheapest God-mode tool of them all -- invoking God. Surely there is nothing more repugnant than that, especially to those of us who -are- religious. This is a game. God has better things to do with His time than intercede in someone's RPing.

Yeah - like forgiving all you sinners.

Yes, but you still have to have most of your population involved in other industry so your economy does not collapse. Not having to get oil makes a small difference at best.

No oil requirement. = No need to import. = No need for population to pay for that. = No legitimate need for individual vehicle related taxes. = Less need for public transport. = Less money needed to be put aside for actual public transport system.

Then plus the many benefits of fusion and hydrogen energy technology!

Try to avoid the example below as it is far too common. An example of GODMODDERS fighting each other:

Person Two: You stole my doll. I curse you!
Person One: I block it with my Quantum EMP.
Person Two: My army of giant rats ravage your nation.
Person One: I squash them with my invincible tanks that have 50 foot thick armor, weigh 1 ton, and go 1000 MPH.
Person Two: I rally an army of 50,000,000,000 people to support me even though I only have 5 million people.
Person One: My Super Troops with Plasma Cannons invade your medieval city.
Person Two: I gain nuke technology and nuke you.
Person One: It has no effect on Quantum Steel.
Person Two: I rally aliens and they blow up your Quantum EMP Generater.
Person One: While you are doing that, I kill your leader.
Person Two: My 50,000,000,000 people with torches kill your Super Troops with Plasma Cannons with only one loss.
Person One: I send in my Super Tanks and equip them with Plasma Cannons and destroy your forces and suffer no losses.
Person Two: The survivors of my nation exscape into alien spacecrafts.
Person One: I follow with my rockets.
Person Two: I rallied 500 trillion orcs on an alien planet and we teleported to your nation and slaughtered your people.
Person One: I fire my Super Nuke.
Person Two: I repel your Super Nuke.
Experienced Person: Shut up.
Person One and Two: We team up and use our laser satilite to destroy your nation.
Experienced Person: Stop GODMODDING!
Person Two: I send my sharks with laser beams on their heads to wipe you out.
Experience Person: Ignore Cannon fired.
Person One: I'm bored. I quit.
Person Two: My aliens take over his troops. I now have his power. I can now conquer the world.
Another Person: Everyone is just ignoring you.
Person Two: I shall take over all of your nations.
Person Two: I'm lonely.
Person Two: I know. I'll create another nation to fight.
Person Two's Second Nation: I declare war on you.
Person Two's First Nation: I nuke you.
Person Two: I'm bored. I'll see what's on TV.
Assasain: *Shoots rifle* Stupid GODMODDER!

I really just combined common terms.

appear?

Sadly, you can post this topic, make it sticky, and give a million examples, but that won't stop them.

Follow the example of Lady Siri and fire the ignore cannons.

Sadly, you can post this topic, make it sticky, and give a million examples, but that won't stop them.

Follow the example of Lady Siri and fire the ignore cannons.

Damn good point. But the pointless discussion of something we cannot change creates the bile and scorn that the all important ignore cannons work off. Except for those times they run on despair.

.::STICK THIS THREAD::.

9 pages down? Bump.

*BUMP*

Although thread necromancy is rightfully frowned upon, this isn't old enough to be categorized as that, and it IS important information.

Yes, indeed, would someone sticky this?

Hurray for Double Posts

General Question here, cuz i like this place, and i dont wanna ruin it by being accused of godmodding (I aint too cluey on military specs, I have an alliance with a nation that has a powerhouse economy they supply me with military weapons, usualy old soviet grade stuff, we just knuckled down last couple of days and designed a fighter.

We basically, took the F-16 stats and renamed it ;p now, only 12 of them have been produced, and that serves as my air force, and i only have 3 types of missiles, Mavericks, AIM-120 and the AIM-7 Sparrows (might change their names).

Is that within my range to have? cuz bear in mind, the nation i'm allied with has a powerhouse economy (they give me a monthly payment) and i get discountes from them.....MY economy is good so *shrugs* i can drop the planes if it's too much.

Hmm. I don't really know much regarding military figures and such, but I'm going to rule, for now, that you're probably well within bounds. A dozen newly-designed aircraft don't sound too bad, or the 3 types of missiles.

The general problem tends to be with hours-old nations droping half a million nukes on everything in sight. So, you should be okay.

In any event, if problems do arise later, I for one will try and help solve things without letting the situation turn into a pyromania festival.

Thanks, and just to show i'm a nice lad, I'm gonna drop the squadron number down to 6 and slowly, build it up like i've done with the rest of my army. I started out having 6% of my population in the military, but once it hit 600,000 at like 16 million i set a flat rate, of 600k and everything i purchase is crewed out of that set 600k.

We need more guys like you ^^

LOL, thanks, I think you saw my thread on my development of chemical weapons ;p, they are pretty weak, except for one which I'm contemplating destroying, basically, for the one my country designed it's the weaknesses of VS mixed with the skin eating part of Sarin Gas ;p

Is my selling of natural resource contracts (in this case unrefined uranium) on day one an acceptable way to bolster cashflow?

I don't have nukes yet (we don't even have a nuclear plant, all geothermal, resulting in a good environmental record) so everything is going to gear up pretty slowly.

I'll take a BFG Ignore Cannon though.

It is a bad idea to god mod. I did it on my first day and was beaten into a former shell of my country. It is better to stay back, get some allies, and go along with someone elses war so you don't get people to hate you

Bump.

Shameless Plug- Join the Roleplayers of NationStates!

It is a bad idea to god mod. I did it on my first day and was beaten into a former shell of my country. It is better to stay back, get some allies, and go along with someone elses war so you don't get people to hate you

Yeah. Melkor Unchained, Berserker, Karmabaijan, Scolopendra, and I all totally whipped him. And we'll do it to you too if you god mode bad enough to get our attention.

Things to help you:

EMP Weapons
Definition: Electro Magnetic Pulse, or weapons that induce similar effects.
Side effect of nuclear explosions, or caused by EMP bombs.
Basically, a ramped up moving electro-magnetic pulse that disables electronics by sending enourmous amounts of energy through circuits, frying them.
Weakness: It is possible to "harden" electronics against EMP's by protecting them with something that can pick up and redirect the power surge, like a special metal box. *Note: hardening is not fool-proof, and some types of EMP weapons can get around most protection types.

Nuke:
Definition: Device which causes an explosion either through the fission of Uranium or Plutonium, or by the fusion of light elements.
Often considered the ultimate WMD. Acceptable and practicle range of sizes is from the .5 kiloton to 35 megaton ranges. Most warheads only range in the kiloton to low megatons. A 3 kiloton bomb hit Hiroshima. Anything above 35 megatons is too large to be practicle, and cannot be used as an ICBM weapon. Largest known device was 50 megatons and was huge as hell. Uranium fission devices are the most reliable, but also the weakest. Fusion devices are the strongest. Destructive radius depends on size and enviroment. Even the largest will only produce light damage at great distances. Most likely, your total destruction radius will be less than 5 miles.
Weakness: Detectable on launch. Will pollute area (extent dependent on bomb type). Very expensive to research, build, maintain, and use.

More to come later.

Just some numbers that you may want to consider:

The Cold War Soviet Union can probably be considered as having concentrated more on peacetime military might than any other nation in the history of humankind. To a certain extent the Soviet Union's economy was a military-industrial complex. At the peak of the Soviet Union's military power in 1989, it spent about 15 percent of its GDP on purely military activities. It had just under 6 million troops in uniform out of a population of 287 million people. Many of these soldiers were entirely combat ineffective. Its economy was nearing collapse.

The present-day United States of America is probably the best example of economically sustainable military might in the world's history. The United States currently spends 3.2% of its GDP on the military. The DoD employs three and a half million active duty soldiers, ready reservists, and civilian contractors. There are ten active duty Army divisions, three active duty Marine divisions, eight National Guard divisions, and one Marine reserve division. In practice they are not all full divisions, but we will assume that the short staffing of some divisions is made up for by the smaller units that are also encountered within the US armed forces. Each division counts roughly 25,000 troops, and twenty-two divisions times 25,000 troops each makes 650,000 troops. This is from a nation with a population is 297 million, a degree of economic success unparalleled in the history of mankind, and a level of military spending much higher than that of other successful democracies.

In other words, before the United States of America has to start drafting raw recruits, it can put 650,000 soldiers in the field in total. It must use these soldiers to fulfill all of its ground military commitments - it cannot put them all in one place at once.

You may claim that your nation is at war mobilization and is hence able to surpass these peacetime norms. This is nonsensical. Total mobilizations have ruinous effects upon nations' social, economic and financial structures. (Consider the experiences of Japan, Nazi Germany, and the Soviet Union in World War II.) They cannot be sustained for more than a few years without causing complete economic implosion.

My bottom line? Militaries are fantastically expensive and they bankrupt a nation like nothing else. Conquerors soon find their checkbooks empty and their dreams stolen by those with greater financial acuity.

Hanse...that was amazing. I wish I was a mod. I'd make that post its own thread and sticky it.

You forgot the cheapest God-mode tool of them all -- invoking God. Surely there is nothing more repugnant than that, especially to those of us who -are- religious. This is a game. God has better things to do with His time than intercede in someone's RPing.
Tell that to President Matthew Iesus. Besides, invoking God can be used for good RPG, if it's done the right way.
I send this to you in the name of the most Holy God, Jesus Christ. Christ compels Christians to spread His Glorious Truth. All those who oppose Him will perish in hell!!!
Cardinal Dante
Rogue Nation of HARU

I thought I lost this forever, but I found it and right now, I want to say one thing. .::BUMP::.

PUT THIS THREAD ON PAGE ONE WHERE IT BELONGS!

This is important so...
BUMP

Moderaters, please stick this. I want the n00bs to see this.

[I'm currently trying to figure out how to go about doing that, exactly. I figure one of the other mods will do it before I can figure it out thogh so dont worry :D

Ah! got it! Thread StIX0ReD by Melkor!]

[w00t!! more sticky-age!]

Yay!

This has been a useless post.

Heh... I see the future, 3 months from now. All the older players skip to page 2 because the first is all stickies!

Just kidding, good to see some of these... stuck. 8)

I just wish that n00bs would read this. And comprehend it!

During the Tang wars, this info would have been great to point certain opponents towards...

Oh, well.

We signed the treaty.

It's good to be back, by the way. I missed the old forums. Hoping to get back in the swing around here a little.

[Tang wars?]

[Tang wars?]

I didn't know what else to call it. When the Coalition of Evil, Ineffable Bob, Ragnarok, GDODAD, et al. decided to invade Poonanny and take our Tang.

We had emoticon wars all the way back in December (9 or 10th, I think) with the Nation of HornyWhores, but me thinks they have ceased to exist.

OOC

...A war over Tang

My country survived a surprise nuclear strike that killed most of my population before I moved to my new region. Because of this we have an awful lot of super high-tech weaponry, nothing invincible mind, just really, really good. Is it considered godmoding if i store most of it, but use the rest even though I have a low population at this point? I'm just wondering because I've had several heated discusions on this subject with several older countries and I've gotten about a 50/50 split on whether this is godmoding or not.

Just some numbers that you may want to consider:

The Cold War Soviet Union can probably be considered as having concentrated more on peacetime military might than any other nation in the history of humankind. To a certain extent the Soviet Union's economy was a military-industrial complex. At the peak of the Soviet Union's military power in 1989, it spent about 15 percent of its GDP on purely military activities. It had just under 6 million troops in uniform out of a population of 287 million people. Many of these soldiers were entirely combat ineffective. Its economy was nearing collapse.

The present-day United States of America is probably the best example of economically sustainable military might in the world's history. The United States currently spends 3.2% of its GDP on the military. The DoD employs three and a half million active duty soldiers, ready reservists, and civilian contractors. There are ten active duty Army divisions, three active duty Marine divisions, eight National Guard divisions, and one Marine reserve division. In practice they are not all full divisions, but we will assume that the short staffing of some divisions is made up for by the smaller units that are also encountered within the US armed forces. Each division counts roughly 25,000 troops, and twenty-two divisions times 25,000 troops each makes 650,000 troops. This is from a nation with a population is 297 million, a degree of economic success unparalleled in the history of mankind, and a level of military spending much higher than that of other successful democracies.

In other words, before the United States of America has to start drafting raw recruits, it can put 650,000 soldiers in the field in total. It must use these soldiers to fulfill all of its ground military commitments - it cannot put them all in one place at once.

You may claim that your nation is at war mobilization and is hence able to surpass these peacetime norms. This is nonsensical. Total mobilizations have ruinous effects upon nations' social, economic and financial structures. (Consider the experiences of Japan, Nazi Germany, and the Soviet Union in World War II.) They cannot be sustained for more than a few years without causing complete economic implosion.

My bottom line? Militaries are fantastically expensive and they bankrupt a nation like nothing else. Conquerors soon find their checkbooks empty and their dreams stolen by those with greater financial acuity.

Very good post Hanse, the USSR was actually up at 20%, and in WW2, the country that actually mobilized the most was Britain. Germany didn't mobilize nearly as much as everyone assumes. The US also mobilized to a huge extent, yet that mobilization didn't cause huge economic problems. Sustained trememndous mobilization causes the most problems, but a temporary mobilization for a major war does not necessarily spelle conomic doom. Japan's economy was destroyed by US embargos, and then bombing of nearly every major city. Japan was then able to rebuild and become an economic powerhouse.

I posted on page 1 of the sticky! W00T!

I bumped it at just the right time, so it became a Sticky.

Just some numbers that you may want to consider:

The Cold War Soviet Union can probably be considered as having concentrated more on peacetime military might than any other nation in the history of humankind. To a certain extent the Soviet Union's economy was a military-industrial complex. At the peak of the Soviet Union's military power in 1989, it spent about 15 percent of its GDP on purely military activities. It had just under 6 million troops in uniform out of a population of 287 million people. Many of these soldiers were entirely combat ineffective. Its economy was nearing collapse.

The present-day United States of America is probably the best example of economically sustainable military might in the world's history. The United States currently spends 3.2% of its GDP on the military. The DoD employs three and a half million active duty soldiers, ready reservists, and civilian contractors. There are ten active duty Army divisions, three active duty Marine divisions, eight National Guard divisions, and one Marine reserve division. In practice they are not all full divisions, but we will assume that the short staffing of some divisions is made up for by the smaller units that are also encountered within the US armed forces. Each division counts roughly 25,000 troops, and twenty-two divisions times 25,000 troops each makes 650,000 troops. This is from a nation with a population is 297 million, a degree of economic success unparalleled in the history of mankind, and a level of military spending much higher than that of other successful democracies.

In other words, before the United States of America has to start drafting raw recruits, it can put 650,000 soldiers in the field in total. It must use these soldiers to fulfill all of its ground military commitments - it cannot put them all in one place at once.

You may claim that your nation is at war mobilization and is hence able to surpass these peacetime norms. This is nonsensical. Total mobilizations have ruinous effects upon nations' social, economic and financial structures. (Consider the experiences of Japan, Nazi Germany, and the Soviet Union in World War II.) They cannot be sustained for more than a few years without causing complete economic implosion.

My bottom line? Militaries are fantastically expensive and they bankrupt a nation like nothing else. Conquerors soon find their checkbooks empty and their dreams stolen by those with greater financial acuity.


[OOC: No, the best example of sustainable military might in world history is the largest land-owning-Empire in history that held its territory with just 250,000 troops at any one time, with most of them deployed here there and everywhere.

Now that's impressive.]

My thread.....stickied.... *weeps with joy*

My thread.....stickied.... *weeps with joy*

*joins in said ecstatic weeping*

I realize we left the topic of nuclear gorillas a while ago...but...What exactly makes them nuclear? Are they mechanical reactor-powered gorillas, or are they animals that have been mutated by radiation, or...

about the high percentage armies...the Tyranids are all a hive mind so they all go to battle...it is how they survive...

OOC:
God modding is also when to have a small skirmish going on (ref. the Battle for the coast of Neandertalia) and all of a sudden vast quantities of military hardware and troops and ships and planes and jets and cruise missles just appear from nowhere. There needs to be a time lag between when reinforcements are called and when they arrive and also how many reinforcements arrive. Your entire army is not sitting just over the horizon waiting to pounce unless it is a set trap (but it usually isn't).
Remember, you CAN take casualties and it can even be fun describing their unfortunate demise!
Just remember armies can't be every where at once, even if they do have teleportation capabilities.
Which brings me to a another point. Sometimes when an army has so much technology they're just not fun to wage war against, and very advanced technology also tends to bring in calls of god-modding even when it is borderline.
And one more thing: overkill. If it is a small skirmish, an army isn't going to send its full resources to the area just to win the skirmish. Instead they will send what they can spare and/or what is considered sufficient to win the battle. Remember that by having finite troops in a battle there can be a winner and a loser which is infinitly times better than infinite battle that drags on in a perpetual stalemate.

You forgot the cheapest God-mode tool of them all -- invoking God. Surely there is nothing more repugnant than that, especially to those of us who -are- religious. This is a game. God has better things to do with His time than intercede in someone's RPing.

Yeah - like forgiving all you sinners.

You're perfect, eh?

I WILL DESTOY THIS THRED HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA :twisted:

I WILL DESTOY THIS THRED HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA :twisted:

*tosses a thred, whatever that is, at Chicken-plate*

Hmmm...and if he isn't joking and is yet another 'n00b', 45 minutes at 375 degrees should take care of him :P

I posted a question about a page back and I was wondering if someone could answer it. I'm currently dealing with several people who are calling it Godmoding, while several others are supporting me. The threat of a flame war is rising. A definate opinion would be appriciated. Thank you.

My country survived a surprise nuclear strike that killed most of my population before I moved to my new region. Because of this we have an awful lot of super high-tech weaponry, nothing invincible mind, just really, really good. Is it considered godmoding if i store most of it, but use the rest even though I have a low population at this point? I'm just wondering because I've had several heated discusions on this subject with several older countries and I've gotten about a 50/50 split on whether this is godmoding or not.

Suprise nuclear strike = you now have übertech? I really don't get that...

^_^ this is a great thread, GODMODING gets to be a very seriously annoying thing. I'm new to nationstates, so I haven't seen as much of it here but I DM traditional RPGs (Like AD&D) and do some online stuff between a couple friends and myself. -_-* It's hard to get people to be realistic sometimes... *rolls eyes* Like being a level 4 warrior and wanting a +4/+4, cure 3x day magical sword or something like that. Sometimes I think people who GODMODE in a blatantly obvious way are probably insecure about themselves in real life. Well, not to say that goes for all of them.. but it has been my experience most people who try to godmode or create unrealistic/excessive powers for themselves in games (I have played with them) are feeling inadequate about something and want to make up for it with the fake sense of power.

^_^ this is a great thread, GODMODING gets to be a very seriously annoying thing. I'm new to nationstates, so I haven't seen as much of it here but I DM traditional RPGs (Like AD&D) and do some online stuff between a couple friends and myself. -_-* It's hard to get people to be realistic sometimes... *rolls eyes* Like being a level 4 warrior and wanting a +4/+4, cure 3x day magical sword or something like that. Sometimes I think people who GODMODE in a blatantly obvious way are probably insecure about themselves in real life. Well, not to say that goes for all of them.. but it has been my experience most people who try to godmode or create unrealistic/excessive powers for themselves in games (I have played with them) are feeling inadequate about something and want to make up for it with the fake sense of power.

You've never played Aberrant. You can blow up cities in that game without godmoding. With a STARTING CHARACTER. When you reach Quantum 10 (out of 10), you can buy a power called Universe Creation. The first line of the power's description in the book is "Yes, really."

Despite being twinkbait, it's also one of the best damn roleplaying games ever made. Which explains why it was never really supported at all and canceled long before its time.

Nope, I havent played that game. ^_^ Sounds interesting enough though. However, the name sounds familiar. Maybe one of my friends has. Also.. what is realistic for each game is sort of subjective... in AD&D having a weapon like that at a low level is not really realistic... but in other games it might very well be.

Also.. what is realistic for each game is sort of subjective... in AD&D having a weapon like that at a low level is not really realistic... but in other games it might very well be.

(( OOC : Most of the advice on this thread is good in theory. But a lot of people miss the point that many of the people who are Godmoding do not have much experience with role playing. I have noticed, if you get a good person to role play to they will usually roll with the punches. For instance if you found said person and decided to attack, or invade, you could post your intent to do so. If they are a good role player they can do one of two things.

One : Accept the hit, and retaliate. You know I personally found it enjoyable to try to role play OUT of sticky situations instead of being - You can't hit me because I have an invincibility shield over my nation. It also has a kill people who shoot at me + 5 rating. - Besides which... if people HONESTLY started flinging around nukes and warheads, and occupied spaces in the real world, there would be more retaliation than from just the country being hit.

Two : Role play a way out of it. By this I do not mean - You can't hit me because I have an invincibility shield over my nation. It also has a kill people who shoot at me + 5 rating. - but instead something to the effect of - Thankfully the jamming devices ~if they have stated having such~ misguided a portion of the onslaught of missiles. etc etc etc

ALSO, generally good role players will add more to their posts than that. They will add what their cabinet, representatives, and delegates in other countries are doing. That their Prime Minister or whatever went into hiding. Adding detail. The signs I have always looked for in Godmodding is lack of detail, IE : " I kil u ded." blatant butchering of the English language, IE : "I kil u ded" and no chance to respond to what has happened. IE : "I kil u ded" ))

All right, anyway, this looks like a good place to ask...

Could any of the following be considered NOT godmodding?

- laser/beam weapons
- hyperdrive
- fusion power
- antigravity
- ...

Please express your opinion or add to this list if you want.

:o :o :o :o :o :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :idea: :idea: :roll: :wink: :wink: :wink:

All right, anyway, this looks like a good place to ask...

Could any of the following be considered NOT godmodding?

- laser/beam weapons
- hyperdrive
- fusion power
- antigravity
- ...

Please express your opinion or add to this list if you want.

Some lasers could be considered not godmodding. Here's why (http://www.fas.org/spp/military/program/asat/miracl.htm).

Gasp! You play Aberrant, Kits?

All right, anyway, this looks like a good place to ask...

Could any of the following be considered NOT godmodding?

- laser/beam weapons
- hyperdrive
- fusion power
- antigravity
- ...

Please express your opinion or add to this list if you want.

Dunno. I use pretty much all of that... but then again. I use that stuff for Civil Wars... not World Wars.

Gasp! You play Aberrant, Kits?

Have it. Never got to play it. Nobody around here RPs at all. And if they do, they're weird D&D people who think White Wolf is the spawn of satan. Give me d10s any day!

Divis Mal has ARMS?!? WTF!!!

Gasp! You play Aberrant, Kits?

Have it. Never got to play it. Nobody around here RPs at all. And if they do, they're weird D&D people who think White Wolf is the spawn of satan. Give me d10s any day!

Divis Mal has ARMS?!? WTF!!!

D00d, Aberrant PWNS! A friend of mine and I play it.

God, I wish you lived near me now...

Gasp! You play Aberrant, Kits?

Have it. Never got to play it. Nobody around here RPs at all. And if they do, they're weird D&D people who think White Wolf is the spawn of satan. Give me d10s any day!

Divis Mal has ARMS?!? WTF!!!

D00d, Aberrant PWNS! (Although I am also a D&D player...) A friend of mine and I play it.

God, I wish you lived near me now...

Some lasers could be considered not godmodding. Here's why (http://www.fas.org/spp/military/program/asat/miracl.htm).OOC: Stavatti also claims to be working on a laser "rifle". 8)

Some lasers could be considered not godmodding. Here's why (http://www.fas.org/spp/military/program/asat/miracl.htm).OOC: Stavatti also claims to be working on a laser "rifle". 8)

Well the first plane with a laser is at Edwards AFB now. I think its a upgraded 747 or something with a 4 foot in diameter cannon on its called he YAL-1A I beleive.

The Stavatti laser:
http://www.stavatti.com/armament_systems.html

If there's anything wrong with posting that link, delete it right away, mods (not like you wouldn't, anyway...)!

Interesting.

I know, I'm new at this, too, but as a seasoned roleplayer (Kits, all I own is d10s;) - long live V:tM!) I have a few ideas...

Omnimperia wrote:
All right, anyway, this looks like a good place to ask...

Could any of the following be considered NOT godmodding?

- laser/beam weapons
- hyperdrive
- fusion power
- antigravity
- ...

Please express your opinion or add to this list if you want.

Omnimperia, it's not godmodding until it's out of place. If you're in a region or setting that is entirely futuristic, then that kind of equipment might be taken for granted. However, if you intend to do any interaction with those less-civilized nations of the early 21st century, then you're going to have to cut back to mere jets and bullets like the rest of us. That equipment would also be out of place, and therefore godmodding, in a fantasy setting, or a historical engagement.

However, once it's out of place, it's absolutely crippling to any sense of realism that can be created with NationStates. So what can you do if someone shows up in an otherwise cohesive thread, and then comes in with all sorts of uber-tech that doesn't belong? With any luck, a balancer will come into play - an otherwise disinterested observer with equally advanced weaponry who can keep the interloper in check. This way, the engagement that was already going on can continue with a minimum interruption and, from a roleplaying standpoint, perhaps the original sword-wielding combatants might never know that there's a fierce starfighter battle waging in the stratosphere high above.

Okay, then what if there's no balancer? Well, you can do that cheesy "IGNORE cannon" thing like everyone else, or you can just try to translate what you're seeing into more comprehensible terms. For instance, if three nations are in a conflict with late-19th century equipment, and some schmuck barges in with his grav-drive megacarrier with Gundam mechs, Transformers, and the entire crew of the Borg mothership, then it's probably a good time to tell him, OOC, that if he wishes to participate in this engagement, then he will have to realize that he now controls an appropriately-manned carrier with F-16s, Blackhawks, and Harrier jets instead. If conversion is just too hard, or if the godmodder still won't play, then it's time for all involved to tell him to find a more suitable environment for his theme - in this case, perhaps long, long ago in a galaxy far away.

And then there are the persistent ones who just decide, "Duh, they called me a stupid godmodder, so I'll just nuke them all." I think, above all, nuclear weapons are far too overused in NationStates, and perhaps the most ubiquitous godmodding around. Everyone who has them uses them incessantly, and if there were half as much nuclear holocaust as might be indicated by these battles, then the entire world would be coated with a layer of radioactive fallout thick enough to ensure that no life would ever exist on the planet again - not even the cockroaches. So what to do about nuclear proliferation and abuse?

Only once in the course of real human history have nuclear weapons been used in wartime, and that ended WWII. World War Two, people. Not some petty border skirmish, not just a political saber-rattling, but a full-out world war with a great many participants. Why haven't they been used since? Because nobody really wants to see the world turned into a star. So instead of just launching that corny "IGNORE cannon," why not go OOC for a second and tell the nuke-fiend that such casual use of nuclear arms will have a profoundly detrimental effect on his own nation, too? Tell him that he will probably face a serious revolution in his own country. Or that the nuclear strike would seriously contaminate the water and/or food supply of his own nation, and would cost him half of his own population? Or that his use of nuclear armaments might fulfill the promise of Mutually Assured Destruction, and thereby erase his own nation through like retaliation? Or simply tell him that the terms of the engagement specifically forbid tactical weapons, and that he will have to rely on purely orthodox military tactics.

Of course, there's still a fair number of players here who would scoff at such notions. These are the godmodders who have reached such a level of refinement that they believe that they are above any retaliation, that their army is indefatigable, and that it's perfectly alright to have 50% of their nation in their standing army. They probably have ludicrous theories that support all this reasoning, too. It's only then that the last resort must be used - that corny "IGNORE cannon." Effectively cutting them out of the roleplaying story won't be all that hard, because they're not really doing much roleplaying anyway. So inform them, in no uncertain terms, that what they are doing has proven them to be outside the realm of possibility.

Maybe if enough people ignore the offending player, then they'll get the idea and tone it down a bit. Maybe they will remain clueless and will instead spend their time here at NationStates ranting and raving like a lunatic amongst people that will not acknowledge their presence, no matter how loud they cry. So let them cry, for all the good it'll do them. And then continue on with your roleplaying as if they didn't exist.

-Darque

I know, I'm new at this, too, but as a seasoned roleplayer (Kits, all I own is d10s;) - long live V:tM!) I have a few ideas...

Omnimperia wrote:
All right, anyway, this looks like a good place to ask...

Could any of the following be considered NOT godmodding?

- laser/beam weapons
- hyperdrive
- fusion power
- antigravity
- ...

Please express your opinion or add to this list if you want.

Omnimperia, it's not godmodding until it's out of place. If you're in a region or setting that is entirely futuristic, then that kind of equipment might be taken for granted. However, if you intend to do any interaction with those less-civilized nations of the early 21st century, then you're going to have to cut back to mere jets and bullets like the rest of us. That equipment would also be out of place, and therefore godmodding, in a fantasy setting, or a historical engagement.

However, once it's out of place, it's absolutely crippling to any sense of realism that can be created with NationStates. So what can you do if someone shows up in an otherwise cohesive thread, and then comes in with all sorts of uber-tech that doesn't belong? With any luck, a balancer will come into play - an otherwise disinterested observer with equally advanced weaponry who can keep the interloper in check. This way, the engagement that was already going on can continue with a minimum interruption and, from a roleplaying standpoint, perhaps the original sword-wielding combatants might never know that there's a fierce starfighter battle waging in the stratosphere high above.

Okay, then what if there's no balancer? Well, you can do that cheesy "IGNORE cannon" thing like everyone else, or you can just try to translate what you're seeing into more comprehensible terms. For instance, if three nations are in a conflict with late-19th century equipment, and some schmuck barges in with his grav-drive megacarrier with Gundam mechs, Transformers, and the entire crew of the Borg mothership, then it's probably a good time to tell him, OOC, that if he wishes to participate in this engagement, then he will have to realize that he now controls an appropriately-manned carrier with F-16s, Blackhawks, and Harrier jets instead. If conversion is just too hard, or if the godmodder still won't play, then it's time for all involved to tell him to find a more suitable environment for his theme - in this case, perhaps long, long ago in a galaxy far away.

And then there are the persistent ones who just decide, "Duh, they called me a stupid godmodder, so I'll just nuke them all." I think, above all, nuclear weapons are far too overused in NationStates, and perhaps the most ubiquitous godmodding around. Everyone who has them uses them incessantly, and if there were half as much nuclear holocaust as might be indicated by these battles, then the entire world would be coated with a layer of radioactive fallout thick enough to ensure that no life would ever exist on the planet again - not even the cockroaches. So what to do about nuclear proliferation and abuse?

Only once in the course of real human history have nuclear weapons been used in wartime, and that ended WWII. World War Two, people. Not some petty border skirmish, not just a political saber-rattling, but a full-out world war with a great many participants. Why haven't they been used since? Because nobody really wants to see the world turned into a star. So instead of just launching that corny "IGNORE cannon," why not go OOC for a second and tell the nuke-fiend that such casual use of nuclear arms will have a profoundly detrimental effect on his own nation, too? Tell him that he will probably face a serious revolution in his own country. Or that the nuclear strike would seriously contaminate the water and/or food supply of his own nation, and would cost him half of his own population? Or that his use of nuclear armaments might fulfill the promise of Mutually Assured Destruction, and thereby erase his own nation through like retaliation? Or simply tell him that the terms of the engagement specifically forbid tactical weapons, and that he will have to rely on purely orthodox military tactics.

Of course, there's still a fair number of players here who would scoff at such notions. These are the godmodders who have reached such a level of refinement that they believe that they are above any retaliation, that their army is indefatigable, and that it's perfectly alright to have 50% of their nation in their standing army. They probably have ludicrous theories that support all this reasoning, too. It's only then that the last resort must be used - that corny "IGNORE cannon." Effectively cutting them out of the roleplaying story won't be all that hard, because they're not really doing much roleplaying anyway. So inform them, in no uncertain terms, that what they are doing has proven them to be outside the realm of possibility.

Maybe if enough people ignore the offending player, then they'll get the idea and tone it down a bit. Maybe they will remain clueless and will instead spend their time here at NationStates ranting and raving like a lunatic amongst people that will not acknowledge their presence, no matter how loud they cry. So let them cry, for all the good it'll do them. And then continue on with your roleplaying as if they didn't exist.

-Darquefusion power could be consider not godmoding because it works in the lab.

FYI, I've linked to the Why High Percentage Armies Aren't Realistic thread in my first post in this thread. Take a look, it's really worth the read.

i told this to the global army tell me what you think!:


this is not a matter of listining to you. if you had been around for a while and then formed your organization nobody would care. but what you did is illegal. i diddent make these rules. the person who made this site did. i really think that you shuld just take a little time to read the sticky at the top of the nationstates forum. i did and look at me now, i am the commander in chief of a organization and nobody wants to declare war on me! mabye once you develop your nation a little, you can try to reform you organization. ive decided to be nice and give you a little advice: look at the real world, new nations that have just formed, just do not have the influential power to take on such a job as defending world peace. ive noticed that you have made many referances that your organization is like NATO. but think realisticly, NATO is compiled of many Highly develpoed nations. your country has 8 million people. and that isent even as many people that live in miami. just take it one step at a time, and nobody will have a problem with you. Keep the Backchannels open,

The Federation of Crimson Blades

I wonder what percent of your population is in the military. If a 150 million nation attacks a 25 million nation, but the 150 million nation only employs 10% of it's men (150*.1=15/2=7.5) while the 25 million nation has 85% of it's men in the army (25*.85~21/2 ~10.5) then the 25 million nation wins.

At what point is a number realistic?

God Moding is stupid but for a nation like mine where military service is compulsory shouldn't I be allowed more then 5% of my population in troops :?:

Pick Pockets
:twisted:

I'd think so...

God Moding is stupid but for a nation like mine where military service is compulsory shouldn't I be allowed more then 5% of my population in troops :?:

Pick Pockets
:twisted:

That'd depend.

What do you plan to equip them with?

If the answer is anything but 80's surplus technology, don't go over 5%

Hey, we'd kill for 80's surplus!
Except that our 70's surplus equipment probably wouldn't allow us to.

I want a tank!
Cursed economic downturn!

Azerot, that is just low. Do you want the admin to ban your IP?

I'd take that not as a 'yes', but a "PLEASE GOD YES!" ¬.¬

Some kids never learn.

I can't help noticing more than a little hostility to new people. A little bit elitist, are we?

People can have been here for a day and be intelligent, or a year, and still be clueless. I think, personally, that clueless veterans are worse than clueless newbies. The newcomer might learn, the veteran obviously isn't going to.

I can't help noticing more than a little hostility to new people. A little bit elitist, are we?

People can have been here for a day and be intelligent, or a year, and still be clueless. I think, personally, that clueless veterans are worse than clueless newbies. The newcomer might learn, the veteran obviously isn't going to.

Er, Klam/whatever other alias he used was a veteran who went cuckoo.

And I've personally noticed a trend of newbies coming here and actually trying to play seriously lately, as opposed to "i devlar war on u lololol!!11@!" And, as I've stated before, we ought to encourage the first group of newbies, rather than risk driving them away because the vast majority of newbies are really n00bs looking to pick a fight and godmode with everyone.

OOC: God Moding not good.

But what about these new nations that are getting so cocky they're using our own Ignore capabilities against nations much older and experienced than they because of the sheer reason that if they get in conflict with nations 10x their size and such, they'll be overwhelmed, so as to overcompensate for their inability to defend themselves against such a threat, they instead use cheap Ignore tactics?

Er, Klam/whatever other alias he used was a veteran who went cuckoo.

And I've personally noticed a trend of newbies coming here and actually trying to play seriously lately, as opposed to "i devlar war on u lololol!!11@!" And, as I've stated before, we ought to encourage the first group of newbies, rather than risk driving them away because the vast majority of newbies are really n00bs looking to pick a fight and godmode with everyone.

You kidding? He was one of the biggest godmoders around.

I need to ask something: Is using magic considered GMing?

If it has been mentioned, I apologize for wasting space here. I only read some of this thread when I first got here. Thanks for any answers.

I need to ask something: Is using magic considered GMing?

If it has been mentioned, I apologize for wasting space here. I only read some of this thread when I first got here. Thanks for any answers.

Using it, no. Godmoding with it, yes. It's a totally ligitmate basis for you 'technology,' but you shouldn't be able to do anything/everything with it, nor should it make you invincible of destroy something in a single shot.

I need to ask something: Is using magic considered GMing?

If it has been mentioned, I apologize for wasting space here. I only read some of this thread when I first got here. Thanks for any answers.

Using it, no. Godmoding with it, yes. It's a totally ligitmate basis for you 'technology,' but you shouldn't be able to do anything/everything with it, nor should it make you invincible of destroy something in a single shot.

Thanks. In that case, would sending tornadoes to assault an enemy's shore be considered god moding?

I need to ask something: Is using magic considered GMing?

If it has been mentioned, I apologize for wasting space here. I only read some of this thread when I first got here. Thanks for any answers.

Using it, no. Godmoding with it, yes. It's a totally ligitmate basis for you 'technology,' but you shouldn't be able to do anything/everything with it, nor should it make you invincible of destroy something in a single shot.

Thanks. In that case, would sending tornadoes to assault an enemy's shore be considered god moding?

Naah, I shouldn't think so. Now, a precision assault with 'em might be pushing it, but just starting 'em, definitely not.

I dunno about that. In someways it seems quite godmodey... but in other ways it doesn't. Personally... I'd say it's OK, if you don't over use it (I'm assuming it's something only a few of your magicians can use... not everyone).

I need to ask something: Is using magic considered GMing?

If it has been mentioned, I apologize for wasting space here. I only read some of this thread when I first got here. Thanks for any answers.

Using it, no. Godmoding with it, yes. It's a totally ligitmate basis for you 'technology,' but you shouldn't be able to do anything/everything with it, nor should it make you invincible of destroy something in a single shot.

Thanks. In that case, would sending tornadoes to assault an enemy's shore be considered god moding?

Naah, I shouldn't think so. Now, a precision assault with 'em might be pushing it, but just starting 'em, definitely not.

Ok, sounds cool. Before I go...would mind control be God Moding? Like a Command and Conquer Red Alert 2 style of mind control?

[url=http://www.blkdragon.com/guide.htm] From Black Dragon Inn FFRPG on irc.starchat.net [url]

Ok, sounds cool. Before I go...would mind control be God Moding? Like a Command and Conquer Red Alert 2 style of mind control?

Ahhh, Yuris. So many memories.

Nah, just don't overdo it. if you're taking control of an entire armored division, your opponent will cry foul.

Ok, sounds cool. Before I go...would mind control be God Moding? Like a Command and Conquer Red Alert 2 style of mind control?

Ahhh, Yuris. So many memories.

Nah, just don't overdo it. if you're taking control of an entire armored division, your opponent will cry foul.

You're a great help. Thanks. :D

I refuse to be in a war with anyone using any form of magic, because my nation refuses to accept its existance.

I refuse to be in a war with anyone using any form of magic, because my nation refuses to accept its existance.

Agreed.

But I may make an exception now and than. :twisted:

We trolls refuse to acknowledge the existance of technology above the level of 15th century

Yet we find it exists in other nations

Much like you will find magic

This is why the Death Knights number in the fewest of all troops in the Horde, because they have the msot devestating spells of all normal troops. Most Knights would exhaust their mana creating more than 2 Whirlwinds.

Teron Gorefiend is more than a hundred times more powerful than a standard Death knight. This is why he is able to wield so much mroe power over the elements than others.

Also note that he is a "Hero" NPC of my nation. So, he will be able to do much more extraordinary things than others to make him much more notable (and feared)

OOC: Yeah, so I'm a newbie. I've been doing this here Are-Pea thang for a while now, and while my question isn't totally insane, here's a thought....

My country has 6 million people.....Currently, I state my military at about 250,000 soldiers (A little less then 5%)....I don't want to be unrealistic, and I don't want to be stupid...I consider my soldiers good (because I don't have a lot, and I have a really powerful economy).

Now suppose Bobland (Apologies to any real Boblands that exist) with 10 million residents decides to invade me. He brings an invasionary force of 1 million soldiers. (10%).

However, he invaded me - no neutral site battling, no war games, full-scale invasion).

Could I assume that I could install a civilian corps unit to my military (because the other 5,750,000 people in my country don't want to lose their towns, their homes, and their leadership)?

And if so, what's reasonable. Can I assume in a particularly happy country that 60-70% of my populace, women and children above the age of 13 would take up arms?

I don't want to have a war or anything - it's just that I know that the instant I threw my name in with other elves (I'm particularly against the elf-trading in the other thread), I became rather unpopularly with a few countries, and I want to know where I stand in case other elves don't assist me.

Nekotuxie De'Garain Tumblefur, Seventh of the Garain
Regent Templar of the Felani

Certainly! In the event of invasion, never discount the usefulness of partisans or guerillas! After all, if your nation is being invaded, you probably aren't too worried about maintaining your economic strength.

Er, Klam/whatever other alias he used was a veteran who went cuckoo.

And I've personally noticed a trend of newbies coming here and actually trying to play seriously lately, as opposed to "i devlar war on u lololol!!11@!" And, as I've stated before, we ought to encourage the first group of newbies, rather than risk driving them away because the vast majority of newbies are really n00bs looking to pick a fight and godmode with everyone.

You kidding? He was one of the biggest godmoders around.

Okay, then, a veteran godmoder who went cuckoo. I should have said that in the first place; his whole snappage resulted when the last stunt he tried to pull met with a universal "NO!!!"

I turn on the tube and what do I see
A whole lotta people cryin' "Don't blame me"
They point their crooked little fingers ar everybody else
Spend all their time feelin' sorry for themselves Victim of this, victim of that
Your momma's too thin; your daddy's too fat

Get over it
Get over it
All this whinin' and cryin' and pitchin' a fit
Get over it, get over it

You say you haven't been the same since you had your little crash
But you might feel better if I gave you some cash
The more I think about it, Old Billy was right
Let's kill all the lawyers, kill 'em tonight
You don't want to work, you want to live like a king
But the big, bad world doesn't owe you a thing

Get over it
Get over it
If you don't want to play, then you might as well split
Get over it,
Get over it

It's like going to confession every time I hear you speak
You're makin' the most of your losin' streak
Some call it sick, but I call it weak You drag it around like a ball and chain
You wallow in the guilt; you wallow in the pain
You wave it like a flag, you wear it like a crown
Got your mind in the gutter, bringin' everybody down
Complain about the present and blame it on the past
I'd like to find your inner child and kick its little ass

Get over it
Get over it
All this bitchin' and moanin' and pitchin' a fit
Get over it,
Get over it

Get over it
Get over it
It's gotta stop sometime, so why don't you quit
Get over it,
Get over it



THANK YOU EAGLES, GOD BLESS, G’NIGHT!!!!!!!!!

My country has 6 million people.....Currently, I state my military at about 250,000 soldiers (A little less then 5%)....I don't want to be unrealistic, and I don't want to be stupid...I consider my soldiers good (because I don't have a lot, and I have a really powerful economy).

Now suppose Bobland (Apologies to any real Boblands that exist) with 10 million residents decides to invade me. He brings an invasionary force of 1 million soldiers. (10%).

However, he invaded me - no neutral site battling, no war games, full-scale invasion).

Could I assume that I could install a civilian corps unit to my military (because the other 5,750,000 people in my country don't want to lose their towns, their homes, and their leadership)?

And if so, what's reasonable. Can I assume in a particularly happy country that 60-70% of my populace, women and children above the age of 13 would take up arms?

Yes. Most of the civilians in my country are gun owners, and there's a plan in place to hand out guns to many of those who aren't in case of invasion.

OOC: As for my civilian corps, my race is genetically modified. A single Felane female can under most normal circumstances, kill a full-blood ogre in hand to hand. (They're rather slow in most cases.) We'll begin a program immediately to begin to train my people in simple weapons, handguns and small arms, and hand-to-hand.

Weapons traders have lassisez-faire, so arms shouldn't be too much of a problem.

Now for another question...

I was currently involved in one of the more embarassing RPs I've ever seen (That attack on the elf party). While it bordered on that GM word, I don't think that the attackers goal, rather - I think he may have not assumed all the possibilities, and the RPer of the realm in which the party was set got himself rolled, when in reality, a modicum of common sense would have helped.

As a party-goer, I was endangered by this horrible, malignant RP. I don't want to GodMod to escape a bad RP...That would be like shooting your foot to fill the hole caused by somebody else shooting your foot.

Is there any way to save face from an RP like that?

Nekotuxie

You've never played Aberrant. You can blow up cities in that game without godmoding. With a STARTING CHARACTER. When you reach Quantum 10 (out of 10), you can buy a power called Universe Creation. The first line of the power's description in the book is "Yes, really."

Despite being twinkbait, it's also one of the best damn roleplaying games ever made. Which explains why it was never really supported at all and canceled long before its time.

*twitches at the mention of Aberrant* That game hurt my head. Too...much...cheese! Errr. Too much potential for ugly icky stuff without as much counter-balancing potential for good RP stuff. Much like my opinion of Demon and Kindred of the East. Good theoretical basis, someone went WAY overboard on twinky powers (TM).

(Not that I know anything about WW Games...honest...)

You've never played Aberrant. You can blow up cities in that game without godmoding. With a STARTING CHARACTER. When you reach Quantum 10 (out of 10), you can buy a power called Universe Creation. The first line of the power's description in the book is "Yes, really."

Despite being twinkbait, it's also one of the best damn roleplaying games ever made. Which explains why it was never really supported at all and canceled long before its time.

*twitches at the mention of Aberrant* That game hurt my head. Too...much...cheese! Errr. Too much potential for ugly icky stuff without as much counter-balancing potential for good RP stuff. Much like my opinion of Demon and Kindred of the East. Good theoretical basis, someone went WAY overboard on twinky powers (TM).

(Not that I know anything about WW Games...honest...)

KotE! YES YES YES! XD BEST. BACKGROUND. EVER!

OOC: If that wasn't obvious.
Woo, newbie alert!

Okay, normally I'd just lurk around quietly, but sometimes a fresh look on things can be just what something like this needs. Besides, I used to GM (that's game master) World of Darkness games that people keep mentioning, including Trinity, the game that Aberrant is a prequel for. Soooo...

I've been RPing, online and offline, for years now, and I'll tell you that it's really only fun when there's some sort of contest. Anyone can scribble a bunch of 18s onto a D&D character sheet and kill dragons without breaking a sweat, but that loses it's charm fast. Therefore I'm working on the premise that most people enjoy something that's at least moderately reasonable. It's a lot more satisfying that way.

If anyone is familar with wargaming, or any of those lovely table-top type things, they'll recognize what I'm talking about. In order to allow people from all sorts of technological backgrounds to interact, it seems armies should be balanced against each other. That is to say, a nation with a 5% of population standing army with 40 million people should be equal to any other country's army with the same stats.

Since "Advanced Quantum Plasma Tanks" are probably a little more deadly than "Fat Guy With Stick," it seems that the next logical step is to assume that the country with the tanks should have a few less of them than the guys with sticks. That is, everything has a sort of point value based on the basic unit of the technologically inferior army. Country A fields 500 infantrymen, country B fields 5 UberTanks. Roughly balanced, it gets left up to the nation leaders to decide what's worth what. A general idea, anyway, getting bogged down in specifics would just get boring. But common sense says your aircraft carrier is probably worth more than a plane, and so on.

Otherwise, there's really no way for anyone with a fantasy/sci-fi bent to NOT get accused of godmoding. It also allows people to RP a technological advantage accurately. That one tank is going to take out a whole lot of stick-wielding clansmen before someone figures out how to stop it. Besides, it reflects the complexity of more advanced weaponry. For every EMP-shielded, particle-spewing, treaded monstrosity, there's probably a team of engineers back in camp making up the rest of the army.

Well, it's a crazy idea, at any rate. Conjecturing is just about all I can do until I figure out when the heck Draykon is anyway :wink:

all nations posting here will surrender to me unconditionally.

....(cough)
Make me.

Just wait till i get my army built up and get me some nukes.

lol

I wonder if I should mention either of my allies who're developing nuclear weapons already?

Nahhh..

If anyone is familar with wargaming, or any of those lovely table-top type things, they'll recognize what I'm talking about. In order to allow people from all sorts of technological backgrounds to interact, it seems armies should be balanced against each other. ... That is, everything has a sort of point value based on the basic unit of the technologically inferior army.


((Warhammer!

Blood for the Blood God! Skulls for the Throne of Khorne!

...Er, sorry ... ))

(OOC: probably been done, but I'm not reading the entire thread)
Godmodding is: Imperial Forces

I wonder if I should mention either of my allies who're developing nuclear weapons already?

Nahhh..
Yeah, you should, so i can laugh my ass off. Still trying to develop something which was developed.. say.. 60 years ago?

Ehy, I was responding to Mousteria.
"Still" is not really an apropriate term, either, since they've only just started.

Mage. The mutability of reality makes the game beautiful. And you're human, so you still worry about every mortality, in most cases. Then the loose definitions of the Spheres makes the game incredible... just the way you mix and match powers, in a manner that isn't available in most games except at really high levels.

Is it godmodding if you say something like...

"My army brakes through your defences and marches towards the capitol"

Is it godmodding if you say something like...

"My army brakes through your defences and marches towards the capitol"

Yes. You can, however, take advantage of a situation without telling your opponent what happens to his forces. For example, if you're engaged in line-to-line fighting perpendicular to a coastline, you could pull a MacArthur on him and land behind his lines.

Another alternative would be to stack your forces at a weak point so that your opponent basically has to admit that they get through. Of course, there are countermanuvers for this, and around and around we go.

I think we should institute a 10-million man army cap. I'm tired of seeing these armies of 30 million or more.

But as nations themselves raise higher in population, it is only necesary that they raise their military fortress.

As Raziel would say

To try to find Strength in Righteousness is Folly. For [u]He seeks to topple those who have the farthest to fall[/i]

what ever you say

sdgfdsgfdsgfsdgfdsgfdsgdsfgdfgdfgdfgdfdgdgdgdfgdgdgdgdgdfgdgdgdgdgdgdgdgdgdgdg

Nevertheless, I don't believe that any country in history has had a 30 million man army, or anywhere close.

The 10% rule is ridiculous, especially during peacetime.

I've noticed in many posts, especially my Warbeast post, morale problems are almost never shown. Apparently no soldier in any army is ever afraid of anything anymore. I know how you love your special forces and love to make them a cut above the rest but really people. I'm going to take an example from my thread. A moloch, which is a huge terrifying creature the size of a rhino with a gaping mouth, two long amrs ending with large claws and hundreds of needle sharp teeth lining its mouth is not something everyones gonna just go, "Oh look a moloch, lets shoot it" It would be more along the lines of this: "Holy Shit! What the hell is that!! AAAHHH! *gun fire though somewaht poorly aimed*" Nations are punished now for having shock troopers or unconventional weapons by this lack of how can I say it.. ego suppression. Remember your troops morale plays a large part in their willingness to fight and their efficiency while fighting. Saying your warriors are genetically engineered to never be afraid is not acceptable unless we see prelim experiments. Just keep in mind that there are more factors to combat rather than "My special forces gets out his rifle and shoots, then he gets out his rocket launcher and shoots, then he gets out his grenade launcher and shoots" *sigh* Just wanted to get that out.

Try to avoid the example below as it is far too common. An example of GODMODDERS fighting each other:

Person Two: You stole my doll. I curse you!
Person One: I block it with my Quantum EMP.
Person Two: My army of giant rats ravage your nation.
Person One: I squash them with my invincible tanks that have 50 foot thick armor, weigh 1 ton, and go 1000 MPH.
Person Two: I rally an army of 50,000,000,000 people to support me even though I only have 5 million people.
Person One: My Super Troops with Plasma Cannons invade your medieval city.
Person Two: I gain nuke technology and nuke you.
Person One: It has no effect on Quantum Steel.
Person Two: I rally aliens and they blow up your Quantum EMP Generater.
Person One: While you are doing that, I kill your leader.
Person Two: My 50,000,000,000 people with torches kill your Super Troops with Plasma Cannons with only one loss.
Person One: I send in my Super Tanks and equip them with Plasma Cannons and destroy your forces and suffer no losses.
Person Two: The survivors of my nation exscape into alien spacecrafts.
Person One: I follow with my rockets.
Person Two: I rallied 500 trillion orcs on an alien planet and we teleported to your nation and slaughtered your people.
Person One: I fire my Super Nuke.
Person Two: I repel your Super Nuke.
Experienced Person: Shut up.
Person One and Two: We team up and use our laser satilite to destroy your nation.
Experienced Person: Stop GODMODDING!
Person Two: I send my sharks with laser beams on their heads to wipe you out.
Experience Person: Ignore Cannon fired.
Person One: I'm bored. I quit.
Person Two: My aliens take over his troops. I now have his power. I can now conquer the world.
Another Person: Everyone is just ignoring you.
Person Two: I shall take over all of your nations.
Person Two: I'm lonely.
Person Two: I know. I'll create another nation to fight.
Person Two's Second Nation: I declare war on you.
Person Two's First Nation: I nuke you.
Person Two: I'm bored. I'll see what's on TV.
Assasain: *Shoots rifle* Stupid GODMODDER!

I really just combined common terms.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

God bless,

The Republic of Syskeyia

But couldn't two godmodders duke it out without going overboard???

E.g.:

Narrator: In the distant future... mankind has reached the stars. But the galaxy is troubled...

Person A: Because of recent events that are beyond Nation A's control, 50,000 people have been killed in our Side III space colony. Our nation has no choice but to retaliate. Our Leo Mobile Suit troops, numbering around 500,000, declare war on Nation B.

Person B: I will create a Super Ultra Hyper Mega Destructo Missile to kill all of your troops! It is invincible!!!

Umm..... yeah..... not going overboard.....

:lol: :roll:

But couldn't two godmodders duke it out without going overboard???

E.g.:

Narrator: In the distant future... mankind has reached the stars. But the galaxy is troubled...

Person A: Because of recent events that are beyond Nation A's control, 50,000 people have been killed in our Side III space colony. Our nation has no choice but to retaliate. Our Leo Mobile Suit troops, numbering around 500,000, declare war on Nation B.

Person B: I will create a Super Ultra Hyper Mega Destructo Missile to kill all of your troops! It is invincible!!!

Umm..... yeah..... not going overboard.....

:lol: :roll:

A nation which is actually just a colony of another distant nation (an alternate universe, in fact), with only a thin line back to its homeworld in terms of raw resources, but a strong cultural connection? Think Tsurannuanni from Feist's Riftwar books, only with a colonization in an uninhabited area instead of an invasion.

Now, this colony would have access to all the technology of its mother state... except that it would need to develop almost all of the neccessary infrastructure for that technology on its own.

Now, other than the small degree of physical and technological power that can be drawn upon from the mother country, and the morale-booster of the stronger culture against propaganda, I see no particular advantages supplied by this. Is it too much, though?

Now, this isn't the only strange point of this civilization... I'm importing it (the culture) from a universe of my own creation and so it has a lot of little innovative points, but that's the one that really has relevance to the GM'ing issue.

godmoding is:

i have a john english and a james bond figure in my Secret Spy Asociation 8)
and they will defeat ur nation with a population of 12 billion soldiers :twisted:

Mage. The mutability of reality makes the game beautiful. And you're human, so you still worry about every mortality, in most cases. Then the loose definitions of the Spheres makes the game incredible... just the way you mix and match powers, in a manner that isn't available in most games except at really high levels.

Do you *really* want to try to figure out Paradox damage for a godmod-level spell? That would hurt my brain, probably summon Wrinkle, and most likely wind up with a severely fried Mage.

On the other hand, we could make a reasonable case for those godmodders to be Marauders...

Mmmm. Magey goodness.

Well, with high enough Forces and Corr spheres, you could create a meteor storm far away, and then drop it on your enemies, with little paradox, because who would say there wasn't a meteor swarm already getting ready to do that to begin with?

Mage. The mutability of reality makes the game beautiful. And you're human, so you still worry about every mortality, in most cases. Then the loose definitions of the Spheres makes the game incredible... just the way you mix and match powers, in a manner that isn't available in most games except at really high levels.

Do you *really* want to try to figure out Paradox damage for a godmod-level spell? That would hurt my brain, probably summon Wrinkle, and most likely wind up with a severely fried Mage.

On the other hand, we could make a reasonable case for those godmodders to be Marauders...

Mmmm. Magey goodness.

Wrinkle doesn't fry you, he just makes you never exist if you mouth off to him.


I could so imagine Arthur C. Clarke being Wrinkle in a Mage movie...