NationStates Jolt Archive

Yes, that's right. A survey is being handed out,

Available : Here (http://www.esurveyspro.com/Survey.aspx?id=ff04333c-768c-4d83-a6d0-ce2d60867444)

This is just a basic quiz, there shall be more coming soon for more "in-depth knowledge" apparently.

So take the Quiz!
Tell your friends about the Quiz!
Let's spread the knowledge of one, outside of Jolt's boundaries, to every NS player!
Yah! :)

Thanks for reading!

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Cool ... what will you be doing with these results?

Me and some colleagues have some conclusions to be drawn from the data ourselves.

But we will release the results in a PDF file when there is a fairly large amount of takers, so others may use the data of the poll for themselves.

Getting a broken link here, so I can't check, but make sure there's nothing about your survey's presentation that suggests it's an official NS undertaking. It ain't.

Okay, there you go Ardchoille.

The short link was apparently banned. (www.shortlink....)

Survey answered.

Awesome

I'm not as fanatical as I once thought, apparently. I thought I was addicted to the game, but there are people with over 80 nations? HOW DO YOU FIND THE TIME TO DO ISSUES?!

I'm not as fanatical as I once thought, apparently. I thought I was addicted to the game, but there are people with over 80 nations? HOW DO YOU FIND THE TIME TO DO ISSUES?!

Those people have huge numbers of nations for non-Issues-related reasons. They do not answer their issues on any but a few nations, if at all. Issues aren't universally played. I, for example, haven't touched a single Issue since 2003.

Unibot, does question 2 refer to time spent exclusively on NS or multitasked? If I counted all the time I spend with an IM or IRC window open with someone NS-related, my time spent more than doubles, but I am usually doing other non-NS-related things at the same time.

Great survey!

Those people have huge numbers of nations for non-Issues-related reasons. They do not answer their issues on any but a few nations, if at all. Issues aren't universally played. I, for example, haven't touched a single Issue since 2003.



It is quite possible (though probably rare) to have over 100 nations and answer issues for them all. I'd guess that, even back before I wrote some scripts to help me with it, I still ended up spending less time each day responding to issues than most Generalites spend talking about sex. It all depends on what your priorities are. :p

done the survey.Great idea look forward to seeing results

Can't take this one--in the "single most important aspect of NS" question, there's no option for sports. Since that's all I do, I'm out. Not everyone who RPs is an II warlord, ya know.

Now that I've taken the poll, it won't let me go back and look at it, but the impression I got was that the question pertained to role-play in general, not just II. I think II was just an example.

Unibot, does question 2 refer to time spent exclusively on NS or multitasked? If I counted all the time I spend with an IM or IRC window open with someone NS-related, my time spent more than doubles, but I am usually doing other non-NS-related things at the same time.

I suppose in your instance, I'd go with the doubled time.

Bump

I've taken the survey.

Awesome

Did it! :)

And remember to advertize it on your RMB or Regional Forum, and nudging me about it to get a spot on our promotional ads! :)

Taken

Done and done.

What are the odds of the results of this survey being made public?

What are the odds of the results of this survey being made public?

We (The group running the survey) are hesitant to post results quite yet as we believe that the people contacted do not yet represent an accurate sampling of the NS population. As we reach more and more diverse people with links to the survey, this will change.

Kandarin is correct. The quiz hasn't quite reached the size, of the scope of the demographics we were hoping for. So please, pass this quiz on to your friends in regions who might not be Jolt followers. The results will come shortly afterwards such expectations are fulfilled.

Taken. Nice survey, by the way.

Haha! Generalites are now answering the survey.

The results are ruined!

:P

Survey done.

Survey Completed!

Done the survey,and it's realy simple so guys please take a look so NS could improve.

Does modding count as "I just like to watch"?

Does modding count as "I just like to watch"?


Depends what you're wearing.

*reads that again*

Tch, tch. :$

I think maybe I'd better stop modding General for a while ...

Done.

Does modding count as "I just like to watch"?


Before you were a mod (think way back...), what activities in NationStates did you participate most in.... ?

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Alright, I took it.

*updated*

Survey is a bit slanted, doesn't cover all the forums and interests (NS and II are not the same sort of play, sorry), and the last question is more than a little leading. Less bias would be nice, a neutral party without an agenda running a survey would be nice, but as that's all unlikely to happen, will be interesting to see where your survey goes.

Also would be nice if said survey, supposedly intended to get a wide slice of NationStates, would have been posted in more places than your usual playground. You're more likely to get a more true to situation view of things that way ... but then, you probably know that.

Yeah and the off the cuff demograhising you've engaged in elsewhere is probably a bit dubious if your going to try to claim that you had an open mind about what the actual results of this survey are.

Yeah and the off the cuff demograhising you've engaged in elsewhere is probably a bit dubious if your going to try to claim that you had an open mind about what the actual results of this survey are.

I am interested in demographic flaws with the distribution of this survey. There are several of us with different interests/goals putting this survey forward - in fact, none of the survey questions were actually created by Unibot. As such we're trying to reach a broad span of people, which is taking time. If you've got leads on large groups of people who are clearly unreached, please let me know and I'll do what I can.

I am aware of the limitations of reaching II, NS, and General. Katganistan has been very helpful in posting links to this thread in the Shape of things to come... threads.

Took it, decent enough survey.

Just so you know, survey data/results are being handled by me from this point.

There doesn't appear to be a way of controlling users from taking it more than once. Given the quiz was set up by a convicted multi-er, this hardly inspires confidence in its results.

Actually, the site seems to be filtering out IPs that have already responded...which isn't to say, of course, that you can't always find another computer and take the survey again.

It tells me if the test is repeated. This has happened only rarely and I can clear out such results.

While I will not be releasing the results just yet, I can tell you that they do not show signs of significant tampering by any demographic, and the numbers are around what I've come to expect...which is to say, disillusioning to any number of groups based on this forum and elsewhere who would like you to believe in their absolute significance and the insignificance of some other (and thus would be most likely to try to tamper with the survey)

It tells me if the test is repeated. This has happened only rarely and I can clear out such results.

While I will not be releasing the results just yet, I can tell you that they do not show signs of significant tampering by any demographic, and the numbers are around what I've come to expect...which is to say, disillusioning to any number of groups based on this forum and elsewhere who would like you to believe in their absolute significance and the insignificance of some other (and thus would be most likely to try to tamper with the survey)

You see Kandarin this is the route of the bullshit that's beginning to make this endeavour look ridiculous.

You have just outlined a theory, in which you claim that one group or groups of players sees another group or groups of players as insignificant and are convinced of their own "absolute significance".

You have decided what you think is going on based on your own biases, and with a definite axe to grind and now your going to trump up some Tipperary "survey" to manufacture the results that fit your thesis.

What is with all this pointless "us versus them" thinking ? It's deeply tiresome at this stage to have this phony pseudo-sociological crap be larded on top of what is clearly just a grudge Unibot and yourself seem to have about players not being able to raid at will anymore.

The survey will not allow me to even see it again - much less take it again. This tells me that an attempt is made to filter out repeat participants, which is not 100 % accurate. I can think of several technical approaches to preventing repeat submissions which might fail under some circumstances.

Whether such a loophole might be exploitable in an organized fashion, I don't know. But I'm not sure the quiz is important enough to attempt to subvert, and I doubt that potential subverters would be subtle enough to avoid leaving indications of their tampering.

As for those responsible for the poll tampering with it, all I can say is that I see no evidence that Unibot or Kandarin are personally deceitful. Opinionated, sure, and in the case of Unibot I am not at all fond of some of his ideas. But I see no reason to think that, when they present the poll results, those results shouldn't be taken on face value rather than as a form of corrupt theater. I do believe that if there is an organized attempt to stack the reasults, this will be apparent.

This may be nothing more than naivete on my part, of course. But I do prefer to think I'm living in a world of basically honest people rather than one of malevolent tricksters. Tricksters exist, of course, but I really don't see the evidence they're at work here.

You see Kandarin this is the route of the bullshit that's beginning to make this endeavour look ridiculous.

You have just outlined a theory, in which you claim that one group or groups of players sees another group or groups of players as insignificant and are convinced of their own "absolute significance".

You have decided what you think is going on based on your own biases, and with a definite axe to grind and now your going to trump up some Tipperary "survey" to manufacture the results that fit your thesis.

What is with all this pointless "us versus them" thinking ? It's deeply tiresome at this stage to have this phony pseudo-sociological crap be larded on top of what is clearly just a grudge Unibot and yourself seem to have about players not being able to raid at will anymore.

I am not a raider. My primary activity in NS is narrative RP, although I usually prefer to RP on a certain regional forum instead of this one. Now, for the sake of honesty I must say that I have been, briefly, a raider - but I have also been a regional leader, a diplomat, a Generalite, an II-RPer, a NS-RPer, a WA-affairs wonk, a lurker, and an Issues player at varying points in my six years and counting on NS. Just about the only thing I haven't been is a defender (or a mod, of course!) although I did spend a lot of time as political spokesman of a defender organization. If you still believe that I am a raider, then I suggest you ask around a bit and see what others have to say about me.

All those years of dealing with all of those groups of NS players have taught me that there is a strong tendency within most if not all of them to disregard the presence or validity of the other styles of play and try to keep them "at a distance" whenever possible. I am not saying that everyone in these groups think this way, simply that there is a strong presence of players who do more or less everywhere, and some are observably more aggressive about it than others. This is not a theory I threw together to make myself look important, it is the product of years of observation of most of the disparate aspects of NS. In any case the existence of deep social divisions within NS is not one of the things being measured by the survey.

Before you were a mod (think way back...), what activities in NationStates did you participate most in.... ?Oh. I thought you wanted current activities, not what I was doing six years ago.

Oh. I thought you wanted current activities, not what I was doing six years ago.

Of course! I think he meant that as a suggestion for if you felt that none of the options describe what you do as a mod.

Ardchoille gives better advice for the circumstances.

I am not a raider. My primary activity in NS is narrative RP, although I usually prefer to RP on a certain regional forum instead of this one. Now, for the sake of honesty I must say that I have been, briefly, a raider - but I have also been a regional leader, a diplomat, a Generalite, an II-RPer, a NS-RPer, a WA-affairs wonk, a lurker, and an Issues player at varying points in my six years and counting on NS. Just about the only thing I haven't been is a defender (or a mod, of course!) although I did spend a lot of time as political spokesman of a defender organization. If you still believe that I am a raider, then I suggest you ask around a bit and see what others have to say about me.

Whether you are or were a raider is not the point, and indeed that's not what I said.

Objectivity regarding the outcome of this poll is at issue.

All those years of dealing with all of those groups of NS players have taught me that there is a strong tendency within most if not all of them to disregard the presence or validity of the other styles of play and try to keep them "at a distance" whenever possible. I am not saying that everyone in these groups think this way, simply that there is a strong presence of players who do more or less everywhere, and some are observably more aggressive about it than others. This is not a theory I threw together to make myself look important, it is the product of years of observation of most of the disparate aspects of NS. In any case the existence of deep social divisions within NS is not one of the things being measured by the survey.


Disregarding the presence of and keeping at at distance are not the same thing, and the one need not ( and I would have thought probably does not ) lead to the other.

Your description of your own time on NS proves that the idea of deeply ingrained divides between kinds of players is probably a fiction, since players may change how they play NS over time or indeed play it in different ways simultaneously.

I am not, as New South Hell described it, characterising Unibot and yourself as "malicious tricksters". I am suggesting that evidence exists for a lack of objectivity about the results of this poll, and a distinct bias in the view taken by those undertaking it.

Even if this poll does not measure the "social" divisions of this game, the very fact that those conducting it ( and analysing its figures ) believe there are such divisions will colour their interpretation of its results.

And lets not even get started on "the Great Decline" theory, and how it plays in to the possible use of the figures arising from this poll.


I think if you really are going to undertake statistical research on how this game is played in good faith, then you need to not be arguing certain ersatz theories about how the game is played based on anecdotal evidence and personal experiences. Surely the point of gathering information in this way, was to find out what is really going on and not to confirm what you thought beforehand. I'm simply concerned that a proper Tabula rasa of open mindedness is not being used with regard the outcome of this poll.

Whether or not theories about social divisions held by (some of) the people who created the poll are tested in the poll is entirely relevant to the poll results. There is no reason why a lack of objectivity on one subject would naturally lead to a lack of objectivity on another. After all, when examining the objectivity of pollsters who study politics, there would be no utility in prying into their religion. Nor, when examining pollsters who study the economy, would it be necessary or useful to make much of their opinions on the world of sports.

This survey asks nations which aspects of Nationstates they are interested in; the views of mine that you take issue with are concerned rather with which aspects they are disinterested in or disdainful of, something the survey results can neither measure, confirm, nor deny. Indeed, I wish that the survey did delve into those areas, but it does not.

In any case, in what ways do you believe that the views of the group that created the survey alter the results of the survey?

Is it the questions themselves - the possibility that we might have engineered them to skew the results? Neither Unibot nor I (with whom you take issue) wrote the questions. They were written by a third player who came to the discussion that led to the creation of the poll with precisely the opposite views and arguments on the state of NS as ours (and at this point I might add that Unibot and I have very different views and should not be considered a unit).

Is it the results - the possibility that we might have only sent links to groups that we knew would agree with certain views, to engineer a certain result? Quite the contrary - Links to this survey have been posted on every regional forum that we could find that is active, allows me to access it*, speaks English, and is not a registered school class. Links have also been posted by Katganistan in stickied threads on all major NSJolt forums. There is one definite bias that I have to warn people of, which is that the survey results are biased toward people who use an active forum of some sort, whether this official forum or a regional forum, but that factor hardly favors any agenda and is beyond our control short of assistance from NS Admins.

*Posting on several forums has been delayed pending forum-admin approval; there were a few forums that are simply and utterly closed to me. I see no reasons to believe that these factors will significantly affect the demographics reached, and continue to seek contacts that will be able to post links in these places. I continue to seek unreached regional forums and locales of NS discussion to distribute links further.

Nice survey...I'd like to make a point.

Having "played" this game since '03, I've had the opportunity witness many trends come and go. The factbooks, the dog-piling noobs, etc.

I've noticed that, by and large, what some may consider a "decline" in the overall concept of the game is just another one of the many cycles that any given entity experiences as a matter of course. I personally began writing on NS because I like to write, not because I like to fight wars, argue legalities, or expand my territories to assuage my latent hostilities against "the Man". Even though all of the above are part of the NS experience.

There are a lot more good writers here now, and even a few excellent writers. This is the main trend I'm seeing. People who THINK before they write, take their time using good grammar and spelling (a major pet peeve of mine), and put forth a cohesive and compelling post/thread. This is what was so lacking 5-6 years ago.

Nice survey...I'd like to make a point.



I've noticed that, by and large, what some may consider a "decline" in the overall concept of the game is just another one of the many cycles that any given entity experiences as a matter of course. I personally began writing on NS because I like to write, not because I like to fight wars, argue legalities, or expand my territories to assuage my latent hostilities against "the Man". Even though all of the above are part of the NS experience.

There are a lot more good writers here now, and even a few excellent writers. This is the main trend I'm seeing. People who THINK before they write, take their time using good grammar and spelling (a major pet peeve of mine), and put forth a cohesive and compelling post/thread. This is what was so lacking 5-6 years ago.

same here (hey, this is a sidey, not a real, so dont judge a book by it's cover) but there are still so many bad ones circulating around. Not many though. Thankfully. (brace yourself for a lecture) Ns isn't just about the playing, you know. My region (New earth), is really a community. Not trying to advertise, but still. Most people there, even though it's small, have all been through previous regions. Some one, in fact, including there puppet, has been in the same region with me ever since i/we started. Just ask around. Anybody who knows knows (that sounds like a Yogi Berra saying) In fact, i think a lot of people play it just cause of the people they meet, not the issues, invading, WA, etc. So yeah, thats it. Oh, and nice survey.:salute: makes ya think a while

Nice survey...I'd like to make a point.

Having "played" this game since '03, I've had the opportunity witness many trends come and go. The factbooks, the dog-piling noobs, etc.

I've noticed that, by and large, what some may consider a "decline" in the overall concept of the game is just another one of the many cycles that any given entity experiences as a matter of course. I personally began writing on NS because I like to write, not because I like to fight wars, argue legalities, or expand my territories to assuage my latent hostilities against "the Man". Even though all of the above are part of the NS experience.

There are a lot more good writers here now, and even a few excellent writers. This is the main trend I'm seeing. People who THINK before they write, take their time using good grammar and spelling (a major pet peeve of mine), and put forth a cohesive and compelling post/thread. This is what was so lacking 5-6 years ago.

Indeed, there are a lot of upsides to a smaller game. I was one of those who voted disbelief in a Great Decline, because the overall drop in numbers is so double-sided. It's meant a tighter-knit game universe, which makes diplomacy and crossover RP easier. It's led to a far older, smarter, more sophisticated playerbase than we had five or even two years ago. On the other side of the coin, a decrease in the numbers has made things considerably harder for regions and groups that were heavily oriented around cultivating new blood, or that required a certain number of active people to operate.

I think that whether the drop in players is a good thing or a bad thing depends on where you are and what you do in NS. Some regions, forums and groups have benefitted greatly while others have lost a lot.

(NS and II are not the same sort of play, sorry)

Yes, that question wasn't as informative as it potentially could have been. "Roleplaying" and "Regional activities" (the most common survey responses, by the way) are both umbrella concepts that can be interpreted different ways. NS and II derived from one root concept - nation RP - and took it in radically different directions to produce two very different communities. I'm aware of this division, although I'm not sure if the player who wrote the survey is.

Here's the thing, though: This isn't just being sent to people on the Jolt forum. Links to this survey have been posted on a massive number of regional forums, many of which have a strong emphasis on nation RP, with their own styles, traditions and rules that are as distinct from NS and II as NS and II are from each other. There are a whole lot of people in these regions, and they're probably answering "Roleplaying". We couldn't put in seperate answers for all these styles; there'd be too many answers. Nor could we just list "Roleplaying (II forum)" and "Roleplaying (NS forum)", because then it'd be useless to all the folks who mainly or only RP away from the Jolt forum, who would neither know nor have any need to know the distinctions between the two. So it's just "Roleplaying", with the largest and most well-known forum thereof listed as an example. Nebulous, yes, but that's inevitable when dealing with broad categories, which is what the question does. It's looking for broad areas of interest rather than specifics. After all, invaders and defenders are in one category too.

It's led to a far older, smarter, more sophisticated playerbase than we had five or even two years ago

I think one can see this trend in the role-play sections the most, but the WA as well (comparing it to the humorous NSUN).

I think one can see this trend in the role-play sections the most, but the WA as well (comparing it to the humorous NSUN).

I hear they're working on the Defenestrator Mk VI. That should restore the slapstick. Personally, I enjoy the more subtle, sophisticated humour that's emerging ...

splat!

I hear they're working on the Defenestrator Mk VI. That should restore the slapstick. Personally, I enjoy the more subtle, sophisticated humour that's emerging ...

splat!


Hmmm, yes....although I've heard that it has been renamed the Cyrillik Funungulator. Drs. Howard, Howard and Fine have been coordinating with Commissioner Seinfeld in a secret bunker north of Camelot (a silly place) for two weeks in an effort to retain a certain je ne sais quois.....

I not only filled out the survey, I even logged in and revived two nations to do my part for the NS cause

Hey! Awesome!

Answered.

There are a lot more good writers here now, and even a few excellent writers. This is the main trend I'm seeing.

I'm new to II, so I can only hope you're right. My impression is that the majority of posts still consist of 'He whipped out his AK-104' or 'The Phlebotomian task force arrived off Victimistan'.

Now, maybe I take things to the other extreme - I can stretch waiting for a dial tone out to a thousand words. But you can't learn to write without writing. As Kasper Gutman said, "I distrust a close-mouthed man. He generally picks the wrong time to talk and says the wrong things. Talking's something you can't do judiciously, unless you keep in practice."

My impression, unfortunately, is that the writing is poor because so many of the writers never seem to think beyond shooting everything that moves.

I'm new to II, so I can only hope you're right. My impression is that the majority of posts still consist of 'He whipped out his AK-104' or 'The Phlebotomian task force arrived off Victimistan'.

Now, maybe I take things to the other extreme - I can stretch waiting for a dial tone out to a thousand words. But you can't learn to write without writing. As Kasper Gutman said, "I distrust a close-mouthed man. He generally picks the wrong time to talk and says the wrong things. Talking's something you can't do judiciously, unless you keep in practice."

My impression, unfortunately, is that the writing is poor because so many of the writers never seem to think beyond shooting everything that moves.

Also the reason I tend not to do much. Either I don't care enough to write more per post because no one else in the RP is trying (and I joined early), or I don't join at all because it's started and no one promising has appeared, yet. Incidentally, this is also the reason I'm thinking of having some Santherese tourists in Fatatatutti for National Luau Week.

And, for the sake of the topic, I took this survey awhile ago and I'm looking forward to seeing whatever the results are. I like survey results. I'm nerdy like that.

And, for the sake of the topic, I took this survey awhile ago and I'm looking forward to seeing whatever the results are. I like survey results. I'm nerdy like that.

I took the survey when there were only about two posts in the thread. I don't care much about the results. (I don't even remember the questions, so I could take it agian clean. :p) I just like to be asked for my opinion.

My impression, unfortunately, is that the writing is poor because so many of the writers never seem to think beyond shooting everything that moves.


You just never liked my sense of humor. I thought the shootout in NSMM was hilarious-as well as the "let's use a mine" scene.

You just never liked my sense of humor. I thought the shootout in NSMM was hilarious-as well as the "let's use a mine" scene.

I know you did. Unfortunately, every twelve-year-old on NS has the same sense of "humour" as you do.

I'm not saying you shouldn't laugh uproariously at spurting blood. I'm just saying it spoils it for me.

If you want to chase intelligent users away from II, having every @#$%ing scenario play out in exactly the same @#$%ing shootout is the way to do it.

I took the survey


Do I get a cookie now?

Cookie? I thought I'd get popcorn when I took the survey. But a cookie sounds good.

So, yes, I took it.

I took the survey, but not much actually applied to me. I just started today

I took the survey
Do I get a cookie now?

I going to be a geek and say... "as long as you use Internet Explorer! You never know - you might even get some spyware too!" :)

I took the survey, but not much actually applied to me. I just started today

WELCOME TO NATIONSTATES!

I know you did. Unfortunately, every twelve-year-old on NS has the same sense of "humour" as you do.

I just have a "broader" sense of "humour".

My boundaries are Oscar Wilde and the Three Stooges, everything in between is fair game - and I actually like Wilde (it's just, he can be such a pompous asshole at times), and Swift was wittier ( I think I like him best for proposing that the Irish should eat their babies).

Just because I think absolute chaos and death is funny, doesn't mean you have to call me a twelve year boy - because then you'd be calling Shakespeare or Martin Scorsese juvenile as well because they liked to develop bloody stories intertwined with comedy and satire also.

But if I was twelve again, heh.. it could be fun I suppose. :)
Porn is easier to get now.

Just because I think absolute chaos and death is funny, doesn't mean you have to call me a twelve year boy...
Claims of liking Oscar Wilde or winning the Nobel Prize in Literature don't cut any ice here. I only have your posts to go by. The question is, from your (RP) posts, how can I tell you apart from a twelve-year-old?

... because then you'd be calling Shakespeare or Martin Scorsese juvenile as well because they liked to develop bloody stories intertwined with comedy and satire also.
The key word there is "intertwined". Machine-guns intertwined with bomb blasts ain't Shakespeare.

I'm not trying to spoil anybody's fun. But if the (sub)topic is about a supposed "decline" in NS, then my personal viewpoint is that the idiotic recourse to violence in every conceivable situation is a possible cause of that decline.

I'm not trying to spoil anybody's fun. But if the (sub)topic is about a supposed "decline" in NS, then my personal viewpoint is that the idiotic recourse to violence in every conceivable situation is a possible cause of that decline.

Unfortunately an overuse of such plot elements is not exactly new, at least in some quarters. This is the sort of thing that got me to flee II for the offsite back in 2003.

I'm not trying to spoil anybody's fun. But if the (sub)topic is about a supposed "decline" in NS, then my personal viewpoint is that the idiotic recourse to violence in every conceivable situation is a possible cause of that decline

Well actually in the "Golden Days" of NS as many second and third NS generation RPers will point out, there was more of an emphasis on reoccurring violence as well as unmonitored creativity. Many older generation RPers complain that the sophistication of the modern role-play is in fact a backtrack for II. - Also the decline is taking place everywhere in NS, so I wouldn't say a problem with roleplaying is the only reason for the decline. Especially when one sees the dramatically population decline on a graph that took place, coincidentally right after the creation of Regional Influence.

Claims of liking Oscar Wilde or winning the Nobel Prize in Literature don't cut any ice here.

I haven't yet won a Nobel prize. But if Al Gore can pull it off, I'm sure I can flunk a political career and still pull off a success with a documentary of facts we already knew but didn't really care to listen to... - or invent the Internet.... :)

Machine-guns intertwined with bomb blasts ain't Shakespeare

If there had been Machine-Guns in Shakespeare's day, I guarantee you Titus Andronicus would have some wild exchanges of gunfire (I'm imagining it being performed on stage right now).

Unibot
Hmm. Well I don't use IE. I prefer to use Opera. :)

If there had been Machine-Guns in Shakespeare's day, I guarantee you Titus Andronicus would have some wild exchanges of gunfire (I'm imagining it being performed on stage right now).

Didn't they do a movie version of Titus Andronicus set in modern times?

Anyway, as I said, I'm too new here to notice any decline in quality. But if the trend to mindless violence continues, I may well be part of the population decline.

Titus Andronicus

I know they did Romeo & Juliet a couple of years ago. Not sure about Titus, its obviously not going to be as popular in the movie circle.

But if the trend to mindless violence continues

I just like Dark Comedy- Man is a wolf to man.

I took the survey, but not much actually applied to me. I just started today

welcome aboard ^_^