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We the commonwealth of 2 tailed kitsunes are thinking about joining the U.N. & are unsure. Should we or should we not join?

Oh hell yea it is the only place to be!We the commonwealth of 2 tailed kitsunes are thinking about joining the U.N. & are unsure. Should we or should we not join?

OC: Yes, it will give you another dimension of the game to explore at your own leisure.

IC: My government spent a month observing the UN debates in the UN forum before elections were held in all of the cantons affirming Mikitivity's entry into the organization. Since that time we have sent a permanent ambassador to the UN and established numerous friendly diplomatic relationships with nations we would not normally have interacted with.

I would suggest that the 2 tailed kitsunes consider visiting the UN forum for a week or two.

Howie T. Katzman

That's a fair suggestion. We joined the UN without realizing what we were getting ourselves into. For instance, compliance being mandatory. Because we did not foresee gnomish meddling in our lawmaking process, it required some additional time, funding and resources to set up an agency specially designed to weasel our way out of complying with the things we promised to enforce. Being the regional delegate at a time when stuff like Promotion of Solar Panels was passed didn't help either, because it's not like we could just resign to get out of it and thus leave our region in peril. In our dealings with the United Nations, we have learned that membership really is a double-edged sword; because while bullying the gnomes is fun, there's also the risk that you may be defenestrated or kicked in the nuts for disagreeing with violent and determined delegations.

But there's also the added bonus of the Strangers' Bar, which our illustrious former ambassador has described as "a very relaxing refuge from all the bullshit that oft descends upon the General Assembly during floor debates; it's a great place (the bar, not the GA) to have a beer, meet fellow diplomats, watch a couple of angry blonde princesses roll around on the floor, torment the Ardchoilleans, witness the portentous nativity of demon spawn, get a strange dragon hooked on your national beverage, even embroil yourself in a national sex scandal -- with or without the aid of a CPESL VIP membership card." :cool:

Alex Tehrani
Secretary of State

[OOC: This belongs either in Gameplay or the United Nations.]

Being a UN member means you can vote on resolutions. As one of the 1,895 UN delegates you could also go 'proposal shopping'. Some of them are silly. (Oh my!)

2 endorsements allows you to make your own proposal, although I'm out of ideas at the moment.

Two main prbolems keeping us from joining. 1 we got an illegal Uranium Market in our country & we don't want to be forced to make laws in our country that we don't want.

Two main prbolems keeping us from joining. 1 we got an illegal Uranium Market in our country & we don't want to be forced to make laws in our country that we don't want.

While it is possible that a proposal could be submitted to ban or restrict uranium mining, environmental resolutions once were far less popular than human rights resolutions. I don't think your illegal uranium market will really change based on the UN, but I could easily be wrong (there are some many existing resolutions that I don't really pay attention to).

Having the UN impose laws or ideas on your country is part of the point / risk in joining. :) It is when you see a law that you really do not like, that you have a vested interest in debating against the resolution. Although in the game, adopted resolutions are implemented within hours of the close of the voting, many players (like myself) actually fudge things a bit and pretend that it can take years for nations to come into compliance. Some nations even find interesting ways to interpret resolutions so they are still adopting laws that are somewhat OK.

What the UN will do is change your game stats. I like that, others don't. *shrug*

I still say, you should consider lurking in the threads -- you might like them. Most of the posts in the UN forum are "In Character", so people yelling at each other, might actually be friendly to each other in other places. One example is in there right now with Iron Felix of Yelda and myself are hostile to each other ... but I actually like the person behind Yelda.

The good thing about the UN is that it lets you have a say in the UN.

The bad thing is that unlike the real UN all the legislation takes effect and is binding (in real life the UN has little power and a nation can pick and choose what resolutions in follows as most are non-binding). If you really want you can ignore the effect that this has on your nation but I don't think that that is a good way to play the game.

I seee. I'm starting to lean toward joining...In truth i'm just worried about losing my peoples respect. The arguments so far are very convincing.

[OoC: If you want your nation to be in UN, but don't want it's laws to effect the stats, then make a completly new nation for the sole purpose of being your nations representative in the UN. For example, say you find a building in your capital city, declare it an independent state and join the UN, then its laws are only pertaining to that building. ]

2-tailed foxes, you should join the UN. It adds some more fun to the game, and the decisions don't really affect your country all that much.

*Pssst! Over here!

Look, I shouldn't be telling you this, but ... don't join!

You don't know what it's like! Hack makes jokes! And sometimes he uses sarcasm! And Ardchoille nitpicks, and HotRodia gives advice in that really kind way -- you know -- and when Fris drops by, he often posts illustrations! I'm not kidding, he does!

And the delegates ... if they're sober ... would you believe, Flib once told someone they were silly and/or illegal? And Mikitivity reasons with you, it's terrifying, and if you get on the wrong side of the Yeldans ... look, I don't want to talk about it, but have you ever landed on an Ausserland dwarf? Not to mention that lunatic in a penguin suit. Or (shudder) the good but slightly seedy Senator Sulla, who's got a distillery under his desk, I reckon, right next to his armoury.

Besides, you'll never get an office, the Building Management's unbribable, and Neville won't let you get any work done in the Bar. Not that you could, with the Bahgumian Mothers-In-Law hanging around.

Honest, I'd resign, but I'm too scared of what the Kennyites would do.

-- An Anonymous Delegate.