NationStates Jolt Archive

Thanks to Shazbotdom and Frisbeeteria, NSwiki will be moving to a new (and hopefully better) web host this weekend! Unfortunately, this means I have to do a lot of data transfer and general reconfiguration. So here are the details....

I will take NSwiki offline on 5:00, 9 November (GMT). That's 21:00 on Thursday in California. When this happens, I'll put up a message on http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/ saying so (making the wiki content unavailable) and then start storing everything locally.

After I finish NSwiki storage, I'll proceed to store all of *.goobergunch.net on my computer. This will probably take quite a while. When this finishes, I'll transfer the DNS records over to my new host and then start uploading (and re-databasing) everything again. Although much of it will be a straight transfer, I will have to revise a bunch of configuration files to point to the new right places.

Watch this thread for updates on NSwiki's status during the move. Also, if you want live information, go to #NSwiki on irc.esper.net.

--Goobergunch
NSwiki Administrator

Yay! Congrats Goob. :)

I think with a more reliable host it'll be worth it for me to use NSwiki again. Too bad I'm poor and can't offer to get you a better host myself.

Thanks for all you work and devotion, Goobergunch!

Good luck! ;) I completely forgot about the wiki.

WO-HOO!

So...what's the new NSWiki's URL?

So...what's the new NSWiki's URL?

Unless I miss my guess, it won't change URLs, only the underlying IP address. Once Goob moves it over and the host's DNS servers send out the new IP, all your old links should work as before.

Mind you, I haven't spoken to Goob about this, but it would be enormously inconvenient to do it any other way.

I hope it goes smooth since i really need to create a history of Sinsolom(and possibly the region too? :D)

Yeah thanks a bunch for your time and dedication

Unless I miss my guess, it won't change URLs, only the underlying IP address. Once Goob moves it over and the host's DNS servers send out the new IP, all your old links should work as before.

Mind you, I haven't spoken to Goob about this, but it would be enormously inconvenient to do it any other way.

Yeah, that's the plan. I might post a temporary URL when DNS is sorting itself out, but I'd be quite unhappy if I had to redo the URL scheme for NSwiki. It would break waaaay too many links.

Thanks everybody else for your support. :)

UPDATE

NSwiki is currently down, and I'm in the process of copying everything on *.goobergunch.net to my desktop. This is taking a fairly long time, so just be patient.

--Goobergunch
NSwiki Administrator

Good Job Goob.Hope NS Wiki is up soon :)

Cheers for Goob!

Cheers for Goob!

Seconded.

Seconded.
Thirded.

Thanks Goob! ;)

Thanks, Goobergunchia!

Thanks Goob! It will be great to have a more reliable host for this site. Hope everything goes well.

Hmmz


So Goob. What host did ya pick?

He said he went with 1&1, I believe, last night.

He said he went with 1&1, I believe, last night.

Well. I don't really hang out on IRC. Maybe I should more often. lol

Nthing the thanks to Goobergunchia. NS Wiki is just such a great resource - I hope the move goes well.

Goob, i hope the move goes great.

NSWiki is freaking good and I'm glad someone like you thought of creating one.

NSwiki is much appreciated. Thanks, Goobergunchia.

Greetings,

Ensure your new website has a paypal donation area as if it works well (meaning whenever I need it) I suspect those who can will donate to it including myself as this is great work. :)

Sincerely, Eagle Scream

Good luck, Goob.
I can't wait to start editing my nation again!

As of right now I am getting 404s so I assume you're up to the moving hosts part. :)

Yup. I'm busy transferring over most of the files now.

The tricky part is the database. Seems it's a tad difficult to transfer a 263 MB database dump to a 100 MB database. :-/

--Goobergunch
NSwiki Administrator

So...how long is this going to take, ya think? I dearly hope it's up soon...I'm going through withdrawls...

Nthing the thanks to Goobergunchia...

n+1 from me, as the wiki is incredibly useful as a place to solidify and store my thoughts and creations on NS far, far better than any text documents or stand-alone websites could ever hope to do.

And nice to see a WoW placeholder! :D

Just wondering how the move is going so far.

As of now (12:00 am EST) this is up on the homepage:

Fatal error: main() [function.require]: Failed opening required '/mounted-storage/home2/sub003/sc434/ns/wiki/extensions/ConfirmEdit/ConfirmEdit.php' (include_path='.:/mounted-storage/home2/sub003/sc434/ns/wiki:/mounted-storage/home2/sub003/sc434/ns/wiki/includes:/mounted-storage/home2/sub003/sc434/ns/wiki/languages') in /homepages/32/d223427175/htdocs/ns/wiki/LocalSettings.php on line 129

just passing along the info.

I assume you're getting that message because the info is in process of transfer. Also, you broke the page. ;)

I assume you're getting that message because the info is in process of transfer. Also, you broke the page. ;)

Probably, seeing as I'm a big user of the Wiki.

Just wondering, but how long will the transfer take? not that I'm having any NSWiki withdrawls....yet.

*curls into fetal position* Must have NSwiki! Lol j/k
I hope everything gets done in good time

*growl*

Dear ****** ****, (Customer ID: ********)

Thank you for contacting us.

As much as I wanted to help you, Unfortunately all our shared hosting
package only have 100mb space, and it's already fixed.

If you have any further questions please do not hesitate to contact us.

I'm looking at alternative database options (the thought of moving all of goobergunch.net twice in two weeks isn't particularly appealing). And two major papers I have due next week. Yay....

--Goobergunch
NSwiki Administrator

Ouch. NSwiki won't fit on the database? Good luck. Everyone's rooting for you- I can't tell you how often I absentmindedly click my NSwiki link to update my pages and remember it's being updated. I just keep telling myself "it will be even more amazing once Goob's got it back up."

Good luck, Goob

I can't tell you how useful NS Wiki is to me

Well, the papers should come first. You passing whatever you're taking is more important than me updating the information about what kind of food they eat in Kedalfax. :rolleyes:

Good luck with your papers, and I hope you find a solution to the hosting problems.

Best of luck on the papers, Goobergunch.

Good luck. Everyone trusts you Goob.

I was wondering about NSwiki. Well good luck and thanks for going through all the trouble. I assume all the previously created articles will still remain? I hope... *gulp*

Everyone trusts you Goob.

No pressure. :p

Yep, good luck with all RL issues first.

*growl*

Dear ****** ****, (Customer ID: ********)

Thank you for contacting us.

As much as I wanted to help you, Unfortunately all our shared hosting
package only have 100mb space, and it's already fixed.

If you have any further questions please do not hesitate to contact us.

I'm looking at alternative database options (the thought of moving all of goobergunch.net twice in two weeks isn't particularly appealing). And two major papers I have due next week. Yay....

--Goobergunch
NSwiki Administrator


Greetings,

Solution:

-Find a new website
-Tell everyone where it is
-Provide the old info on the old website
-Those who value the site will be able to move their information to the new website
-Give everyone a time limit of say a month to move their stuff so you do not have to host 2 sites at once

Again, just a suggestion, this way you do not have to move everything yourself

Sincerely, Eagle Scream

*Zarquon enters through the small door leading to Goober's office. He enters only peeking around the partially opened door.*

I just want to wish good luck. We're all counting on you.

*Zarquon then pulled himself back behind the door and closed it.*

OOC: Airplane! is the greatest movie ever made.

Solution:
<snip>

Moving isn't the problem. He's got all the data backed up - now he's trying to find someone who can host a database that size. You can't upload 275 MB into a 100 MB database, no matter how hard you squeeze it.

If people want to be constructive, help Goob by searching for an inexpensive web host that can handle a mySQL db of 1 GB or larger, plus allows a huge amount of bandwidth daily. There's an earlier thread in this forum with more details if you need 'em.

I just did a search on Google and got a buch of web hosts with 1GB databases and 20GB data transfers for under $10 a month.

I also saved a bunch of money on my car insurance by switching to GEICO.:D

OOC: Airplane! is the greatest movie ever made.

Surely you must be joking.

Surely you must be joking.

I think he is serious, and don't call him Shirley.:p

I think he is serious, and don't call him Shirley.:p

Damn, you beat me to it. *Goes to take a drink from his glass and pours it down his face.*

Does anyone know how to fly a plane?


AAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!

Does anyone know how to fly a plane?


AAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!

I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing glue.

I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing glue.

Looks like I picked the wrong day to quit taking amphetamines

Looks like I picked the wrong day to quit taking amphetamines

What have I started?

Goober; I'd be willing to host the db for you at no cost, and you can keep the current URI for the wiki.

Let me know if you're interested.

Goober; I'd be willing to host the db for you at no cost, and you can keep the current URI for the wiki.

Let me know if you're interested.

Well I'm not Goob but I'm going to say, that's so nice of you

I don't pretend to know a whole helluva lot about hosting, servers and what not...

But I do see enough ads for www.1and1.com . It looks like it may be promising...maybe not. Eh, it's worth a look.

I don't pretend to know a whole helluva lot about hosting, servers and what not...

But I do see enough ads for www.1and1.com . It looks like it may be promising...maybe not. Eh, it's worth a look.

I already told him bout it


Their databases are too small. Only 100mb and he needs something that is 300+mb.

goobergunch.net is currently registered at 1and1.

*coughs* no size restrictions either in my offer ((that i'm aware of))

Hello,

I am very eager for you to get back online because a lot of developments have been taking place in the country, relating to a UN proposal at vote. If you can get NSWiki back online as soon as possible, it will be great.

Thank you, Marian.

It's working! Sort of...

I checked it out, and it'll let me view pages, but the side bar and edit buttons are missing.

http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/kedalfax

For some reason the URLs don't use the same format as they used to (/wiki/index.php/kedalfax is how that used to be) but I'm not complaining.

The front page shows that it's in read-only mode.

*growl*

Dear ****** ****, (Customer ID: ********)

Thank you for contacting us.

As much as I wanted to help you, Unfortunately all our shared hosting
package only have 100mb space, and it's already fixed.

If you have any further questions please do not hesitate to contact us.

I'm looking at alternative database options (the thought of moving all of goobergunch.net twice in two weeks isn't particularly appealing). And two major papers I have due next week. Yay....

--Goobergunch
NSwiki Administrator

Why don't you just wait til 2008? :)

We can access some material using read only, and would rather you finish the papers.

The front page shows that it's in read-only mode.

Better than nothing right?

Yeah. Better than nothing. It helps me to get my stuff from there and copy it down onto my computer for later reference and to update my information on my local machine.

Happy if it was sooner: first it was the UN proposal, and now a major nuclear incident in Colstream.

Better than nothing right?

Much. Now I can access data that I'd been wanting to get at.

Well done!

Doesn't work at all for me - I get a "Multiple Choices" screen, and if I click on the only link, I get a 404.

It all works, mainly. Except for the fact that there is no edit button or sidebar. But, it's coming along. I hope it's done very, very soon. :D

Doesn't work at all for me - I get a "Multiple Choices" screen, and if I click on the only link, I get a 404.

You can't use a bookmarked link to get to it- you'll have to google NSwiki and access the main page that way. I had the same problem.

Direct link is here: http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/

I sure hope it's finished soon. I really want to start making edits. I'm making a new map. O_o

Ok,where the hell is my nation?:(

Here's a nice reminder for everyone: Calm down and wait.

Goob, and I'm sure a lot of other people, are really busy right now. A month with no access to a roleplaying site isn't going to kill you. Be patient.

For those who are looking for their Wiki (who have set one up before this move), it is now currently listed in the following way. Make sure you fix links and such.

http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/YOURNATIONNAME.html

Like mine would be http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/Shazbotdom.html and Snefaldia's would be http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/snefaldia.html

I figured this out a few days ago and just got around to posting it here.

Boy am I excited

Oh, cool i read the pages now. Best of Luck again, Goob.

Thanks so much for having NSWiki. It helps a lot.

I'm so excited, and I just can't hide it

I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing glue.

Looks like I picked the wrong day to quit taking amphetamines

Looks like both of you picked the wrong day to quit kneeling before Zod!

(*shoots both of you with eye lasers*)

Looks like both of you picked the wrong day to quit kneeling before Zod!

(*shoots both of you with eye lasers*)

And looks like you picked the wrong day to Spam a thread.

Make sure you fix links and such.

Folks, the read-only version is a temporary fix. Goob exported a copy of the database and posted it as HTML. Once he finds a new host, I'm betting the links will revert to the old way ... so change your links, but make note of what you altered so you can change them back again.

That's cool - I was worried I might have lost all my stuff. I never made backups before Goob took the site down!

Good luck with the move, Goob!

Greetings,

I greatly appreciate the read only fix in the meantime and I commend all who have worked so hard on getting this back up and running. :)

Sincerely, Eagle Scream

PS: My NSwiki nation page = http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/popularfreedom.html

Any new advances on the NSwiki move?

Waiting patiently...;)

Best of luck to Goob and everyone else assisting with this.

I'm starting to suffer NSwiki withdrawal!

I'm starting to suffer NSwiki withdrawal!

I'm way beyond that. I've written down no less than twenty pages worth of stuff that needs to be posted as soon as it's back up.

edit because: Whoops, sorry I didn't read the notices on the front page.

I'm way beyond that. I've written down no less than twenty pages worth of stuff that needs to be posted as soon as it's back up.

You should check out ScribbleWiki (http://nstravel.scribblewiki.com/Main_Page).

You might want to check out Wikipedia's Comparison of wiki farms (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_wiki_farms). It has a listing of the big wiki farms, along with what format they're in, and what limitations they have.

We haven't heard of any updates in a long time, how's it going Goob?

You should check out ScribbleWiki (http://nstravel.scribblewiki.com/Main_Page).

Or alternatively Wikistates :P

http://nationstates.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page

Or alternatively Wikistates :P

http://nationstates.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page

hmmm interesting, who created that?

hmmm interesting, who created that?

Jeuna/the myriad of his puppets, otherwise known as Blast on IRC has done 99% of the work on it, not sure as to who is the founder, as he only made about one article.

Jeuna/the myriad of his puppets, otherwise known as Blast on IRC has done 99% of the work on it, not sure as to who is the founder, as he only made about one article.

Oo cool, I saw and was like "is for Continentia or something?" because that where it seems the majority of writers are from

Thunderhead/Opatia is apparently the founder, since he's the only sysop there.

I'm way beyond that. I've written down no less than twenty pages worth of stuff that needs to be posted as soon as it's back up.

I took up smoking to alleviate the withdrawal.



Cobdenian Ministry of Health: Smoking makes you thin

We haven't heard of any updates in a long time, how's it going Goob?

I've probably got new hosting lined up, but I'm not sure when it's going to be available. I'm not at liberty to disclose more.

No worries Goob. Personally, I'm just happy with the confirmation that you're still breathing.

And thanks for all the hard work you're putting into all this for us.

I've probably got new hosting lined up, but I'm not sure when it's going to be available. I'm not at liberty to disclose more.

Gooooooob...

You know we all love you, and are very, very, very grateful for the wiki. Even the read only wiki is a great resource. Can't thank you enough.

But...

You don't know when it's going to be available and you can't tell us anything else? That makes me sad. And whenever someone makes me said a cat-girl dies. You can't even give us a vague hint as to why you can't share any details with us (do you just not know or are you enguaged in shaddy dealings with government agencies to host the wiki)? Or give a general ETA on new hosting (even something like "before fall 2010")?

Won't you think of the poor cat-girls? Won't someboy please think of the poor cat-girls?

Gooooooob...

You know we all love you, and are very, very, very grateful for the wiki. Even the read only wiki is a great resource. Can't thank you enough.

But...

You don't know when it's going to be available and you can't tell us anything else? That makes me sad. And whenever someone makes me said a cat-girl dies. You can't even give us a vague hint as to why you can't share any details with us (do you just not know or are you enguaged in shaddy dealings with government agencies to host the wiki)? Or give a general ETA on new hosting (even something like "before fall 2010")?

Won't you think of the poor cat-girls? Won't someboy please think of the poor cat-girls?

His comment should be read as "he's negotiation with someone, but he can't talk about it."

And your response should be "Okay, I understand, and will be patient." Not jokes. Goob's a busy guy, as are we all, and most people can't devote their whole time to a side-project unofficial internet game resource.

NSwiki will be up when it's up. Not sooner, not later.

What we should be asking Goob is if there's any way to help. Donations for bandwidth? Hosting suggestions? Please let me know if I can help in any way. Not much for internet techie stuff, but ask anyway.

I have plans regarding the future hosting of NSwiki, but I've been asked not to discuss details of the arrangement yet. You'll know when I can talk about it. :)

As a result, I don't know the exact timeframe involved in getting it up and running. I'm also sorry about not being able to make updates to the NSwiki read-only version recently, but since the server that the editable version of NSwiki lives on is my desktop at college, I won't be able to do much until winter break ends on Sunday. I'll also be back on IRC regularly when I boot that computer back up.

As a silly note, anybody that goes to the Claremont Colleges can access the real NSwiki at http://karfel.st.hmc.edu/ starting next week - unfortunately, due to firewall restrictions, this URL won't work for most people.

I have plans regarding the future hosting of NSwiki, but I've been asked not to discuss details of the arrangement yet. You'll know when I can talk about it. :)

As a result, I don't know the exact timeframe involved in getting it up and running. I'm also sorry about not being able to make updates to the NSwiki read-only version recently, but since the server that the editable version of NSwiki lives on is my desktop at college, I won't be able to do much until winter break ends on Sunday. I'll also be back on IRC regularly when I boot that computer back up.

As a silly note, anybody that goes to the Claremont Colleges can access the real NSwiki at http://karfel.st.hmc.edu/ starting next week - unfortunately, due to firewall restrictions, this URL won't work for most people.

I hope the new NSWiki is up soon :)

Goob, if we all put out, will it be up sooner? *puppy eyes*

Seriously though, for all of us with way too much time on our hands (and most of us with too little, but too much wasted) all of your work really is appreciated.

I have plans regarding the future hosting of NSwiki, but I've been asked not to discuss details of the arrangement yet. You'll know when I can talk about it. :)

As a result, I don't know the exact timeframe involved in getting it up and running. I'm also sorry about not being able to make updates to the NSwiki read-only version recently, but since the server that the editable version of NSwiki lives on is my desktop at college, I won't be able to do much until winter break ends on Sunday. I'll also be back on IRC regularly when I boot that computer back up.

As a silly note, anybody that goes to the Claremont Colleges can access the real NSwiki at http://karfel.st.hmc.edu/ starting next week - unfortunately, due to firewall restrictions, this URL won't work for most people.

Keep up the good work Goob.

Or alternatively Wikistates :P

http://nationstates.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page

It seems to like to eat your additions, then it doesn't like when you try to upload things, or read them or anything else. Also its' HARD TO NAVIGATE. and Damnned pop-ups and weird graphics, weirder settings..etc.

Other than those problems, It'll work for now.

when...???

:( Come back.

Let's not nag the poor man, eh? NSwiki was, is and always will be the greatest resource for NS, and we all want it back. But he's doing it out of the goodness of his own heart, so we've all just got to be patient and hope for the best.

P.S. If you need any donations, Goob, just let us know. I know I for one would be willing to help you out in any way that I can. Don't think of it as begging or charity of anything like that - just a community pulling together to help out with a great site.

His comment should be read as "he's negotiation with someone, but he can't talk about it."

And your response should be "Okay, I understand, and will be patient." Not jokes. Goob's a busy guy, as are we all, and most people can't devote their whole time to a side-project unofficial internet game resource.

NSwiki will be up when it's up. Not sooner, not later.

What we should be asking Goob is if there's any way to help. Donations for bandwidth? Hosting suggestions? Please let me know if I can help in any way. Not much for internet techie stuff, but ask anyway.

Ask not what Goob can do for you, but what Goob can do for me.

I miss my NS wiki page. I used to be able to edit it.

Now I can't. I loved the Wiki.

Be patient.

Maybe we should just take the initiative and host our own and move NSWiki onto it somehow. It's better than waiting around doing nothing. How is that Wikia version?

That probably wouldn't be worth the effort.

In the meantime, you could try making a factbook on the forums here. You wouldn't be able to format it the same, but people would still be able to see your information, and you'd still be able to get it written down. 'Tis what we old fogies used to do way back before NSWiki existed. :P

In the meantime, you could try making a factbook on the forums here. You wouldn't be able to format it the same, but people would still be able to see your information, and you'd still be able to get it written down. 'Tis what we old fogies used to do way back before NSWiki existed. :P

I have a factbook that is way old and like 50% inaccurate/retconn.

I have a factbook that is way old and like 50% inaccurate/retconn.

Well, you must be thrilled that Jolt has an "edit post" function, then!

Well, you must be thrilled that Jolt has an "edit post" function, then!
Meh. Still isn't the same as Wiki.

:(

Goobergunchia was deleted.

:(

Goobergunchia was deleted.

What!?! Why!?!

:(

Goobergunchia was deleted.
I think he has a different account now. Goobergunch2 or soemthing.

National Happenings

Most Recent Government Activity: 3 days ago

3 days ago: Goobergunchia relocated from Lazarus to Democratic Underground.
3 days ago: Goobergunchia was refounded.
3 days ago: Goobergunchia relocated from Democratic Underground to Lazarus.

And thanks to the new update, we don't have to have any needless fear!

Any idea when we will be able to edit again?

Any idea when we will be able to edit again?

There is a 99% chance we will within the next decade.

:p

Well hopefully it will be within the next month or so. My hosting package has unlimited storage and 1000 MB of bandwidth. If he ever needed it, he can just come to me.

I wanted to create one I just dont know how..

I've set up a wiki that people can use, but I'm not particularly inclined to customize it myself.

http://www.brynshander.com/nswiki/index.php?title=Main_Page

I would use your site if you actually edited it to make it like NSWiki.
But for now, I have the urge to use NSWiki right now and I really, really need Goob to come back! :(

Does anyone know where we could get the code for the old main page, so we could copy it over? As well as the codes for infoboxes and that stuff?

I urge you all to have just a little more patience...

I urge you all to have just a little more patience...
Humans with patience? What an ingenious idea...

I urge you all to have just a little more patience...

Hmm, sounds like Hack might know something we don't.



Or maybe I'm just trying to start a wild conspiracy theory.

There have been...enigmatic clues around. No conspiracy here though. Nuh-uh.

I don't think my patience will carry me as far as I would like it to.

*enigmatic clue*

I have an inkling.

I have an inkling.
I do not. :(

*enigmatic clue*

Meanwhile, those not inclined to play mind games can turn the wiki I put up into something usable if they so choose.

I have an inkling.

I do not, either. :(

*enigmatic clue*

Meanwhile, those not inclined to play mind games can turn the wiki I put up into something usable if they so choose.

We really don't want two out there, so we're hoping that Goob's issues can be resolved quickly and we just have the one. Also, the name "NSwiki" belongs to Goobergunchia, I'm pretty sure. While I seriously doubt he'd take you to court, it would be courteous to come up with your own name.

We really don't want two out there, so we're hoping that Goob's issues can be resolved quickly and we just have the one. Also, the name "NSwiki" belongs to Goobergunchia, I'm pretty sure. While I seriously doubt he'd take you to court, it would be courteous to come up with your own name.

Perhaps when the real NSwiki isn't a vegetable, we can discuss the issue of there being two wikis. For now, I can only see the one. A wiki is only a wiki when it's in an editable state.

Personally I'm in the process of switching over to the one ran by Blast over at nationstates.wikia.com.

I've got nothing against goob's wiki or anything, but I gotta edit my wiki D:<

The files are pretty easy to swap though if Goob ever gets his running again. Or if my inkling comes to pass.

WIKI!

just had to say it :P

Personally I'm in the process of switching over to the one ran by Blast over at nationstates.wikia.com.

I've got nothing against goob's wiki or anything, but I gotta edit my wiki D:<

The files are pretty easy to swap though if Goob ever gets his running again. Or if my inkling comes to pass.

Indeed, there is a small community of us who uses Wikistates (http://nationstates.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page), and I'd recommend it to anyone who's tired of NSWiki downtime. Mostly because Blast knows what he is doing, and is consistently active.

Indeed, there is a small community of us who uses Wikistates (http://nationstates.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page), and I'd recommend it to anyone who's tired of NSWiki downtime. Mostly because Blast knows what he is doing, and is consistently active.

I'm seriously considering that now, although I'd like to be able to transfer my page source codes...

Really, I think the admonition of "be patient just a little longer" is a good one. Look, factbooks in NS worked just fine before NSwiki. NSwiki's still there, and the mods have hinted that it won't be long. Goob has been tight-lipped about progress.

That says to me that things are working. If the wiki wasn't coming back, Goob probably would have said something. But he hasn't. And the mods have said be patient. Now, knowing how this game works, shouldn't that mean you should just hold on and be patient a little more?

Well maybe temporarily switching to a new site will help ease the urge to edit our wikis. If nobody has noticed, I've made quite a few on Wikia and I'm doing just fine. Once NSWiki is back up, I'll be transferring everything else back to there. As long as I can write and get things up to par, I think I'll be fine.
I'm not doubting Goob or the moderators, I just needed a place to store all of my ideas for my wiki. NSWiki will always be my number one! :D (cheesy conclusion :))

Mostly because Blast knows what he is doing, and is consistently active.

Goob's problem wasn't inactivity - his mySQL files exceeded the capacity of the database engine of any non-commercial host, costing major $$$. NSwiki was BIG! Unlimited storage is meaningless if the data can't be manipulated, and that's the issue that's being resolved.

I urge you all to have just a little more patience...

Six plus months now....

Indeed, there is a small community of us who uses Wikistates (http://nationstates.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page), and I'd recommend it to anyone who's tired of NSWiki downtime. Mostly because Blast knows what he is doing, and is consistently active.

Either that's a weird place or I've misread it...

Really, I think the admonition of "be patient just a little longer" is a good one. Look, factbooks in NS worked just fine before NSwiki. NSwiki's still there, and the mods have hinted that it won't be long. Goob has been tight-lipped about progress.

That says to me that things are working. If the wiki wasn't coming back, Goob probably would have said something. But he hasn't. And the mods have said be patient. Now, knowing how this game works, shouldn't that mean you should just hold on and be patient a little more?

Seeing as how the game has been played, six months is an eternity....

Goob's problem wasn't inactivity - his mySQL files exceeded the capacity of the database engine of any non-commercial host, costing major $$$. NSwiki was BIG! Unlimited storage is meaningless if the data can't be manipulated, and that's the issue that's being resolved.

All of this is largely why most of my conworlding hs gone back to free web sites...

The problem with Wikia is that you lose a lot of control over your wiki.

I have a dedicated hosting server sitting idle that I could set up a Mediawiki Wiki for NS on if there's interest.

(lest you think I'm a total newbie who has no business making this offer: I'm not. I've actually been playing since April of '03...when I get bored with one nation I start over again with a new one).

The problem with Wikia is that you lose a lot of control over your wiki.

I have a dedicated hosting server sitting idle that I could set up a Mediawiki Wiki for NS on if there's interest.

(lest you think I'm a total newbie who has no business making this offer: I'm not. I've actually been playing since April of '03...when I get bored with one nation I start over again with a new one).

I've already got a wiki up and ready for this purpose. All it needs is use.

I've already got a wiki up and ready for this purpose. All it needs is use.

I looked at it.

It appears you don't know what you're doing.

That's fine--no one can master every skill, and even for the skills you do master you have to LEARN them--but something like this, with as much potential for use as it would, should be left to someone who already knows what he's doing rather than someone who's "just learning."

It isn't that I don't know what I'm doing so much as that I haven't messed with it.

I looked at it.

It appears you don't know what you're doing.

That's fine--no one can master every skill, and even for the skills you do master you have to LEARN them--but something like this, with as much potential for use as it would, should be left to someone who already knows what he's doing rather than someone who's "just learning."

Yes, listen to this man. He has spent many weeks earning our respect in his many posts on these forums.

LO! AND THUS SPOKE THE BLUTH CORPORATION!

Yes, listen to this man. He has spent many weeks earning our respect in his many posts on these forums.

Really, you should read the note at the end of my first post in this thread...

I must have missed the part where Goob encouraged everyone to wave their e-penises about.

I'm hoping NSwiki is incorporated into NS2.

The problem with Wikia is that you lose a lot of control over your wiki.

I have a dedicated hosting server sitting idle that I could set up a Mediawiki Wiki for NS on if there's interest.

(lest you think I'm a total newbie who has no business making this offer: I'm not. I've actually been playing since April of '03...when I get bored with one nation I start over again with a new one).

The problem with this is that we went with an individual hosting before, with Goober, and there were all sorts of server stresses and problems beyond what he or we had planned for. I'd be careful and make sure that your server can handle it before making this offer.

I have found a marvelous way to counteractour temporary lack of a wiki. I have use edditthis.info, a free, autonomy-loving wiki-host, and have used my subdomain on said wiki to host my own articles on everything from stats to Kiravian beverages. I welcome you all to do the same, for that way you can transfer your articles when NSwiki comes back.

The problem with this is that we went with an individual hosting before, with Goober, and there were all sorts of server stresses and problems beyond what he or we had planned for. I'd be careful and make sure that your server can handle it before making this offer.

It's part of a farm of coloed boxes I have that are quite powerful indeed.

WikiStates seems that it has moved off of their Wikia (http://nationstates.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page) wiki and got their own flashy one (http://wikistates.outwardhosting.com/wiki/Main_Page).

Goob's problem wasn't inactivity - his mySQL files exceeded the capacity of the database engine of any non-commercial host, costing major $$$. NSwiki was BIG! Unlimited storage is meaningless if the data can't be manipulated, and that's the issue that's being resolved.

For those interested, the copy of the database that I have is 2.4 GB. It's always impressive when you run out of memory running vim.

Wow, I knew it was big, but that's huge. Would it be possible to delete past edits after a certain number of edits? I know it could be inconvenient to editors, but the majority of wiki databases are probably dedicated to storing past edits.

That would be a GFDL violation.

That would be a GFDL violation.

This.

Hey Goob, any chance you could torrent that database or unread-only so I can recover some templates and pages?

Any updates?

Big NSwiki Update

So, my semester is over and it's summer break. Life is good. Except I don't have a webhost that can handle NSwiki yet. And this is where you come in!

If you know of a webhost that can handle a 2.8 GB, frequently edited database, post a link to the hosting company in this thread. Money isn't overly much of an issue at the moment. I'd like to make sure it's reputable before transferring all of my data over, as the *.goobergunch.net complex is a bit large and gets a non-trivial amount of traffic for things that aren't NSwiki. I don't want to hear about your personal server farm, as I'm not going to use it.

I'm not interested in Wikia, so people suggesting that will get thwacked with a very large trout. Wikia has certain policy issues that are incompatible with NSwiki. Also, their skin sucks.

Hello.I had a discussion with an acquaintance who deals with large sites. The result? $99.00 per month on a virtual private server. Shared servers just won't be able to handle it.



Taylor: I'm looking for a host that can handle a 2.8 GB frequently edited database re:wiki. for a friend. Would that be yourself?

Mariela: may i ask what type of wiki you would like to use ?

Taylor: MediaWiki. It's been up for a few years, it is in need of a new host.

Mariela: i see

Mariela: may i take a look at the website, please ?

Taylor: Oh, and Hello, Mariela.

Mariela: Hello, Taylor, nice to see you :)

Mariela: Taylor, may i ask what is the size of the database and how many visitors does it have daily ?

Taylor: Yes. http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/

Mariela: just a moment to check it out, please

Taylor: Generally I'd guess anywhere between 400 to 800 uniques per day, the DB must be nearing 1.5gb.

Taylor: It is in a read-only state atmo. Otherwise, it collapses.

Mariela: Taylor, i am sorry, but as far as i have checked, that website is too large for a shared hosting service

Mariela: i can suggest you to check out a VPS or Dedicated solutions, if you would like

Taylor: Yes. This was only meant to be a hobby, I'd imagine, when started 5 or so years ago.

Mariela: congratulations that your friends hobby has grown so large

Taylor: Ha. Danke!

Mariela: VPS (Virtual Private Server) solution offers more features for larger sites

Mariela: you can check out the agood VPS solution here:

Mariela: www.siteground.com/vps.htm

Taylor: Oh wonderful. And any of these plans would be apropos?

Mariela: standard VPS will be fine for that site, Taylor

Taylor: Merci, Mariela!

Mariela: you are welcome :)

Taylor: I appreciate it.

Mariela: no problem, that's my job

Mariela: also, if your friend has any questions, he can contact me anytime

Taylor: Thanks you!

Taylor: Have a great night!

Mariela: welcome :)

I would like to reserve two pages.

The nation: http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/Leiqing

and the stock exchange: http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/Leiqing_Stock_Exchange

Anything new on this? It's been ten months.

And NS2 is apparently coming!

Domnonia, I'd be modestly nervous about that Hosting site you recommended. It's good that an actual person is recommending it, but what kind of qualifications does this friend have? Because bad hosting sites have many tactics to obscure their inferiority. One of these tactics is to purchase bogus 'awards' from 'hosting review sites' of which there are legions that exist in a symbiotic relationship with the companies that they are rating.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8PidNJLrek
http://hosting-reviews-exposed.com/ (http://hosting-reviews-exposed.com/)

Siteground, the site you recommended, is guilty of this (http://www.siteground.com/about_us.htm). It has multiple awards from bogus-looking review sites. I checked all of them, and every one looked at least mildly sketchy. They were backing a number of terrible hosts - BlueHost, InMotion, LunarPages, InMotion, and HostGator for instance (all of whom are plastered all over hosting review sites). Many had threadbare facades of content. Some even had sponsored review sections - sponsored of course by the webhosting companies, and advertisements from their top rated webhosting companies. And WebHostingStuff was included; it's probably the worst offender.

However, Siteground doesn't look like a typical ripoff scam - the prices look fair for the service they're providing. Moreover, they have a forum section that looks legitimate, especially in the Website Review and Software sections. It's very active and negative accounts of Siteground aren't deleted like in some other hosting forums. However, they've made a practice of sticking a number of the positive reviews in the Customer Expectation forums. They don't seem to have a method to how they're sticking them except that the poster rarely has more than 5 posts. The Siteground team is pretty active in the Customer Expectations, which is a bit worrisome, but probably expected.

I'm not saying that these guys are a scam, but you should be wary about these guys after seeing those factors. Your friend may only be a user who has never had to use a critical piece of the service - such as customer service. This is where things usually get ugly with ripoff hosting sites, so unless the person you asked is a big web hosting expert, they may simply be unaware of some policies at Siteground that would make it a ripoff.

Whether it's truly reliable and trustworthy or not, Siteground is very expensive. $100/month is a huge amount considering that it provides at least twice the hard disk space that NSWiki needs (5-10GB will probably be enough unless NS2 brings in a ridiculous number of new people). I'd judge it based on the bandwidth it provides, but I have no idea how much bandwidth it would use up. My guess is that it would require a much higher ratio of DiskSpace/Bandwidth than normal.

I tried to hunt down a more reliable and suitable host, but the main other one I was considering, Steadfast, turned out to have a program where it rewarded people for referrals to Steadfast. That kind of referral program just reeks.

Also they had high rankings on some suspect sites - the most legitimate of which was Hostjury, which is a mix of legitimate reviews but is definitely manipulated by fake users from hosting companies (it's top rated host, EZPZ Hosting, had a program where people who rated the host highly on Host Jury were rewarded with an iPod. No joke.). Not only that, it listed awards from the fake "hosting review" sites.

It has a less active forum, but the forum has less manipulation in the Customer Testimonials section.

Basically, it's of pretty similar repute as Siteground, except that Siteground has a positive review from an actual person, which is a definite plus. However, Steadfast has a better range of offered services for a project of NSWiki's scale.

I'll keep looking later tonight.

(5-10GB will probably be enough unless NS2 brings in a ridiculous number of new people)

I thought I saw a post by Goobergunchia that the archives were over 9GB. Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest to see that double over the next year or two. You might want to adjust your baseline.

According to his last post it's 2.8GB. Maybe he has more that he'd like to use if he could? That doesn't seem likely though...

Anyways! I think I found a legit one...

A2 Hosting (http://www.a2hosting.com/services/). Their prices look pretty fair for VPS (which is what you guys should probably be using). They're a primarily Linux based hosting site, so that may create issues. However, when you google them, it actually turns up a few news results (not many, but that's a helluva lot better than most Web hosts). It doesn't turn up many hosting review sites, which is another plus (since they're all crap).

Forums don't have a testimonial section, the testimonial section is managed by another company. http://www.ratepoint.com/profile/3616. The reviews are 5 stars except for one 3 star, which is suspect. They also have an affiliation program, but this is just a banner hosting operation, not a referral program. Still slightly suspicious, but not nearly as much as the referral programs.

However, then there's the good part. Although they have decent to good ratings at host review sites, they don't have any awards from these sites. The partnerships and awards that they list on the side are from the Better Business Bureau, McAfee, and Carbonfund. This is the only hosting site that has links to actual organizations that I've seen.

Moreover, each of these organizations links back to A2 Hosting. BBB confirms (https://www.bbb.org/online/consumer/cks.aspx?ID=105041319910) the participation of A2 in their online program and has a record on the company (http://easternmichigan.bbb.org/WWWRoot/Report.aspx?site=80&bbb=0332&firm=49003294). This includes a rating and a list of complaints against the company - all of which were resolved. Carbonfund lists them as a partner (http://www.carbonfund.org/site/more/carbonfree_partner/a2_hosting/) on their website. The other partners? A whole list of companies, organizations, and political campaigns, including Dell and Amtrak. McAfee lists them as a secure service (https://www.mcafeesecure.com/RatingVerify?ref=www.a2hosting.com), but don't tell you much past that.

These ties, particularly those to the Better Business Bureau seem like a much greater assurance of legitimacy than most of the other factors I've discussed. Hopefully they'll be compatible with our needs as far as the NSWiki.

Lastly, I figured this would be an appropriate thing to post here. http://www.hostingdiscussion.com/web-hosting-requests/1835-choose-your-host-carefully-users.html.

Goob found other good sites in the past, only to discover that they limited mySQL databases to 100MB. In some cases, he could have as many as he wanted, but 100MB was the upper limit on each. I can't find anything in A2 Hostings sales literature or knowledgebase that shows those limits, assuming they exist.

Given that the mySQL implementation was the downfall of the original hosting plan, that's an essential datum.

Unlimited mySQL databases are available for the Reseller plans and Semi-dedicated hosting but I have doubts that that would work for our purposes. Plus it'd be easy for them to cheat and overload the servers with semi-dedicated hosting.

I checked all over and I couldn't find any mention of database limits. Considering the options they offer and the amount of information they offer about their mySQL services, they very well might not have any. I'll ask on the forums just in case.

Here's the forum thread. (http://forums.a2hosting.com/showthread.php?tid=283)

Hopefully I was coy enough about the details. If not, you can trout me or something.

/Double Post

Got an answer from the A2 people (That'd be a 26 hour response time to the forums). Their answer.

The size of your MySQL database is limited to the disk space on your VPS. The MySQL server runs on your local VPS.

Sounds like no limit to me. Any other essential datums I should check for?

I've been ignoring this thread recently. For good reason.

http://www.nswiki.net/

Enjoy. :D

Hurrah! Three cheers for Goober. :)

I haven't got time right now to be a contributor to the wiki (there would be masses of updating for me to do on my nation's articles), but I am henceforth active again as a sysop. So you can contact me (http://www.nswiki.net/index.php?title=User_talk:Aridd) if need be.

I've been ignoring this thread recently. For good reason.

http://www.nswiki.net/

Enjoy. :D

YES! Nice one Goob, we love you.

I take it you have to upload images now? All the old external image links are not working anymore. It's going to take a lot of work to upload them all. Nonetheless, wonderful job Goob! Now I can cancel my subscription to wikistates. :p

Yaaaaaaaaay!

The Long March has ended! Yay!

I'd never thought I'd see the day.....:eek:

Yes! Thank you!

Congrats Goob! Great news.

It's here.... *faints among the glories of NSwiki*

I take it you have to upload images now? All the old external image links are not working anymore. It's going to take a lot of work to upload them all. Nonetheless, wonderful job Goob! Now I can cancel my subscription to wikistates. :p

MediaWiki changed the default settings for that in 1.7. Working on changing it back.

Congrats!

Horray! I have soooo many changes I need to make to my page.

Yayes. Tommorow i try to jack myself back in and blow that Wikistates popsicle stand.

I am glad they have the NSwiki up and running.

And please, I don't like to do the work again, so I wanted you copy the articles about the Iglesian Archipelago and everything related to this country, from WikiStates to NSWiki. Look I am very exigeant. Please!

http://wikistates.outwardhosting.com/wiki/Iglesian_Archipelago

&

http://wikistates.outwardhosting.com/wiki/Category:Iglesian_Archipelago

are the current sites about this country.

Everything connected to this category must be copied from WikiStates to NSWiki. And reupload the files with the same name, please!

I'll not do more nothing until this moving.

Sincerely,
The Democratic Republic of Iglesian Archipelago

Uh ... you should be able to do that yourself, surely? Wikis being user-editable and all ...

Well, well... the wideliest problem is about the image upload.

I've been ignoring this thread recently. For good reason.

http://www.nswiki.net/

Enjoy. :D
That works too :P.

Woohoo!

NSwiki isn't working! Or is it just me. I can't seem to get on it.

NSwiki isn't working! Or is it just me. I can't seem to get on it.

http://www.nswiki.net/index.php?title=Kenavt

Really?

It did seem to be down for a bit earlier, to be fair to Kenavt.

I'd also like to take this opportunity to add my own personal "Yay", "Woohoo" and "Congrats".

Oh well, I'm sure Goober or someone will explain it.

And please, I don't like to do the work again, so I wanted you copy the articles about the Iglesian Archipelago and everything related to this country, from WikiStates to NSWiki. Look I am very exigeant. Please!


No offence, but: No. Absolutely not. Just because you don't want to do the work doesn't mean you can fob it off on Goober. He's not your servant. You're using his website for free; he has no obligations towards you.

If you have a problem with the image upload, just let us know about it, and it can probably be fixed. But for the rest, if you want articles on NSwiki, you'll have to put them there yourself.

Goob says NSwiki is now on MW 1.12.0, and says it's the latest, although MediaWiki.org says 1.13.0 is the latest? Also, NSwiki is not co-operating with ParserFunctions (probably because of the MediaWiki version?).

Lastly, Goob, could you please enable .svg uploads?

I've been ignoring this thread recently. For good reason.

http://www.nswiki.net/

Enjoy. :D

Greetings,

AWESOME!!!

Cheers, Eagle Scream

Help! How do I access my NSwiki page from ns.goobergunch.net/wiki? I don't think it's working anymore, really!

Any way I can retrieve the information from my nation's page?

Edit: OK, I'm sorry, I didn't realize that my page was already transferred until I started attempting to create my nation's page. That is really cool. Thank you SO much, Goobergunchia. I GREATLY appreciate this big move that you did. I missed the NSwiki! You're my NShero!

Good news from Iglesian Archipelago. There are more articles about my nation in NSwiki than on WikiStates. Thank you, Ariddia! ;)

I know my thanks are belated but, well, thanks.

I may be late to the party, but I'm glad to see the change.

Here's a New Years bump for NSwiki! Every contribution makes the wiki better!

Newcomers will find that the transition was a SUCCESS! I haven't forgotten about the simplified address. It stands out 100%.