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The Alliance of Nations for a Free Pacific is a multi-regional alliance committed to the overthrow of dictatorships and the promulgation of a democratic government over all regions of the Pacific.

Being the "starter region" for most nationstates, the Pacifics should be free from exploitation by petty dictators. The Alliance of Nations calls for an end to all endorsement caps and the seperation of the position of U.N. delegate from that of the elected Regional Government.

The Alliance of Nations wishes to establish a single elected government which will administrate all Pacific Regions. The U.N. delegate in each region would be chosen automatically based on the number of endorsements received but would be required by law to abide by the decisions of the Regional Government.

To accomplish our goal, we are calling all democratic nations to join our alliance and to assist in bringing freedom to those nations living under the control of cruel tyrants and mindless dictators. This is a military alliance, involving the commitment of troops. To join, you may post in this thread or reply by private message, but do not ask to join if you are unwilling to commit the time required to accomplish our goals.

The Alliance of Nations for a Free Pacific is a multi-regional alliance committed to the overthrow of dictatorships and the promulgation of a democratic government over all regions of the Pacific.
Have you looked at most of the Pacific regions? Like... TNP? TWP? I'm pretty sure there's a fair bit of democracy there. Perhaps you should spend a bit more time investigating how the Pacifics are run before you decide to overthrow them.

Actually, I take that back, you *are* in TNP, where you've been endotarting quite a bit. Have you learned anything about our region yet?

Being the "starter region" for most nationstates, the Pacifics should be free from exploitation by petty dictators. The Alliance of Nations calls for an end to all endorsement caps and the separation of the position of U.N. delegate from that of the elected Regional Government.
How do you plan to separate the delegate from the government? According to the NS Rules, the Delegate (in feeders) IS the only government. All other positions can decide things and have a government solely at the delegate's agreement.

Endocaps are often used by delegates/governments in feeder regions to ensure stability and continuity in the region. You may not like it (I assume you got told to stop gaining yourself in TNP), but it ensures that both elected delegates and ones that just want to keep their power are not overtaken easily.

The Alliance of Nations wishes to establish a single elected government which will administrate all Pacific Regions.
As you've said that feeders are the "starter regions" in the game, why are you deciding that democracy is the only viable way in which to govern? Shouldn't the feeders offer choices and variety in order to illustrate the wide variety of ways in which governments work in the real world? Democracies, republics, dictatorships, many of those ideas have existed in various Pacific regions and attract different kinds of people. You're proposing a one way for all view, which stifles the creativity and vision some players bring to the Pacifics.

The U.N. delegate in each region would be chosen automatically based on the number of endorsements received but would be required by law to abide by the decisions of the Regional Government.
When you say "required by law" what law are you talking about? One made up by the players? How are you going to get ALL feeder delegates to abide by your law? What if they decide they don't like it and kick out all the people they don't want in their region? Do you have any way to actually regain the region after that catastrophe?

To accomplish our goal, we are calling all democratic nations to join our alliance and to assist in bringing freedom to those nations living under the control of cruel tyrants and mindless dictators. This is a military alliance, involving the commitment of troops. To join, you may post in this thread or reply by private message, but do not ask to join if you are unwilling to commit the time required to accomplish our goals.
The only advice I have here is to watch out for the spies. :p

Good luck! See you soon!

How cute. Mummy may I keep him?

*Is highly amused* Yes Erastide, I had the lovely task of informing him about our society, certain rules and regulations that are in TNP that he, and all North Pacificans for that matter, are expected to follow, along with explaining the problems of a person who has only been playing for a month, as he claims, to suddenly move into the region and start endotarting. Sounds like an invader to me, but hey, I'm obviously one of those "petty dictators".

As Erastide, a former TNP Delegate herself stated, "According to the NS Rules, the Delegate (in feeders) IS the only government. All other positions can decide things and have a government solely at the delegate's agreement." Should I feel cranky one day and decide that I don't want to follow a little text document on an offsite forum, game rules allow me to do so. Unethical, yes, but perfectly legal. I will also state this. In The North Pacific, our Delegates (since when we threw off the chains of real oppression back in May 2005) have been rather good-spirited and have relinquished power if they either lose an election or are unable to run again based on that text document known as a constitution that I mentioned earlier. Yes, we are dictators, obviously.

You sir need to learn about the people in those "regimes" and understand who we are. You fail to grasp what we've been saying these past few days and are now making a fool of your self here. You also have absolutely no right to simply show up and demand power for yourself. I give you an hour as Delegate, and I would see you purging those members of the region who are against you desecrating our region and destroying our proud community, like all of our authoritarian rulers (UPS Rail, Great Bight, Pixiedance especially under Ivan Moldavi) have done.

I kindly suggest to nations who read this to ignore this. This was made by a person who has one clear intent goal for a feeder, that is to overthrow her native institutions that have made us who we are for several years now, and replace it with something that popped up in his head. Also, I will be in discussion with my fellow Pacifican Delegates, and rest assured if we see suspicious activity within our borders, we will be forced to defend our regions, our societies and our peoples from you.

I'm kinda sad that you posted this, Kuldon.

We try our hardest to implement democratic institutions into our regions. However, as Chodean Kal said, the game mechanics do not actually allow for democracy. In many ways, Pacific delegates are much like autocratic rulers who, out of a wish to stick to the wishes of his subjects, delegates his power out willingly. It kinda sucks, and no region knows it better than TNP, I assure you.

We have a constitution so that you may work within the region to change it and work within the democratic ideals enshrined in it for the furtherment of the people's interests. What you are calling for is for all that to be torn down. In the case of TNP, you are taking power away from the people.

P.S. Yes, we read the NS forums. Yes, this was a terrible place for it if you wanted to remain hidden. :P

Actually, I had great respect for the government of the North Pacific. I saw it as the ideal government to serve as a model for what the Pacifics can be. Now I have been banned from the North Pacific for no apparent reason.

(I had not read the replies on this thread until now, but now presume it was for this post.)

That does not feel very democratic.

Anyway, this only reinforces the argument I made in the initial post.

(OOC: I have no interest in endotarting or taking control of a region. This is role-play.)

Actually, I had great respect for the government of the North Pacific. I saw it as the ideal government to serve as a model for what the Pacifics can be. Now I have been banned from the North Pacific for no apparent reason.

(I had not read the replies on this thread until now, but now presume it was for this post.)

That does not feel very democratic.

If you feel that you have been wronged in this situation, the Constitution gives you right to immediate judicial review.Should any official of a government authority of the region with authority to act, declare that the immediate ejection or banning of a Nation is an urgent matter of regional security, the ejected or banned Nation shall have prompt and immediate recourse to judicial review of the matter.

Anyway, this only reinforces the argument I made in the initial post.

(OOC: I have no interest in endotarting or taking control of a region. This is role-play.)
If it's role-play, you should have posted it over in II. But frankly, even if you did post it in II, I'd have the same misgivings as many others have. The goals of your Alliance does point to an overthrow of every feeder government. Nevertheless, I see your point as the offsite forums may not be representative of the in-site feeder population. But it can't be denied that without regional governments being tied to the UN delegate, the feeders would be a very chaotic place. If you like chaos, there are warzones to go to.

With regard to the issue of you being unlawfully banned, your attempts to join the Regional Assembly of The North Pacific using two different accounts was discovered. This is expressly forbidden, and the oath that you took with each of those applications expressly states that, by posting said oath, you "...understand that my registration of, or attempt to register, multiple Nations to vote in The North Pacific shall warrant the summary withdrawal of my right to vote from all my Nations, past, present, and future, as well as possible expulsion from the Region."

Despite the fact that Chodean Kal, as Delegate, was legally authorized in both an in-game and governmental sense, the Security Council chose to review your case as well. The Security Council chose not to intervene. Thus, you have been banned, in full accordance with all aspects of North Pacific law.

As Monte Ozarka stated, if you wish to call for immediate judicial appeal, you may.

The Alliance of Nations wishes to establish a single elected government which will administrate all Pacific Regions. The U.N. delegate in each region would be chosen automatically based on the number of endorsements received but would be required by law to abide by the decisions of the Regional Government.

Now that sounds like a grab for power to me, are you not against dictatorship, this is just a board of fat governent officials telling everyone in the region what to do...

If it's role-play, you should have posted it over in II. But frankly, even if you did post it in II, I'd have the same misgivings as many others have. The goals of your Alliance does point to an overthrow of every feeder government. Nevertheless, I see your point as the offsite forums may not be representative of the in-site feeder population. But it can't be denied that without regional governments being tied to the UN delegate, the feeders would be a very chaotic place. If you like chaos, there are warzones to go to.
He did post it in II, but as it is talking about feeder regions and the governments in them, it seems completely gameplay, so I moved it.

Kuldon, if you wish to start an actual RP, then you need to make sure you start out making sure people know it. With this thread, most people in II would probably say it was not RP.

I am not going to whine about being banned from the North Pacific. If I have been banned, I've been banned. So what? It's not a big deal. I am not the first to be thrown out of a region and I will certainly not be the last. If everyone "played fair," there would be no need for Lazarus or the Rejected Realms.

I was only upset by the fact because I did not believe that would happen to me in the North Pacific. If I was in the Pacific, I surely woud have been tried as a heretic and thrown out. If I had been in the East Pacific, I would have been over the endorsement cap a week ago and been thrown out. I thought the North Pacific was different than that.

Gasponia writes: With regard to the issue of you being unlawfully banned, your attempts to join the Regional Assembly of The North Pacific using two different accounts was discovered.

To say that I attempted to join the Regional Assembly under two accounts is a blatant lie. I withdrew my previous application before applying as Kuldon and I switched my North Pacific nation. They are saying this only to discredit me and try to give a rational reason as to why I was banned. I have only, ever, had one nation in the North Pacific.

The fact that I was both deitus and kuldon was hardly "discovered," seeing that it was never hidden. I registered on the forum using the same email address and profile information, birthdate, etc. Even my signature file for deitus included a list of all fifteen nations I controlled. I did not include a list on my sig file for Kuldon since it was the nation I was roleplaying. In any event, my identity was never hidden.

Collapse of the United Republic!

Perhaps the first sign that something had gone wrong was the rejection of the United Republic by JAUST and the European Union. Kuldon, the newest territory of the United Republic, was then removed from the North Pacific for its involvement in the Alliance of Nations.

These events racked the government and started a series of events in Deitus Prime. First Runsfield, the largest territory of the United Republic, declared independence. This was followed by Kuldan, El Adonai, and others. By the end of the day, the United Republic, and with it the Alliance of Nations, had ceased to exist.

:sniper: DEMOCRAZY means nothing but giving daft mentals power!

If I was in the Pacific, I surely woud have been tried as a heretic and thrown out.

Uh...

You are going to be tried as a heretic. Your identities and the Alliance of Nations has been reported to The Pacific's authorities by a vigilant Pacifican.